Welcome to Nobledark Imperium: a relatively light fan rewrite of the Warhammer 40,000 universe, with a generous helping of competence and common sense.PREVIOUS THREAD: ( >>52262671 →)http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/52262671/Wiki (SLOWLY BEING OVERHAULED):https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperiumhttps://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_DraftsTHREAD FOCUS:>Consolidation and codification>Seriously, we have a ton of good stuff, but it’s all informal and the Notes page is becoming a bloated mess>Still need to finish Dorn, Fulgrim, Lion, and Angron among the primarchs>Any writefaggotry would be seriously appreciated, whether it is new stuff or a writeup of old stuffAnd, as always:>More bugs>More weebs>More Nobledark battles>Maybe more Orks too
wrote the kryptmann story last thread and now i need more shit to write so lay it on me boys, what should i write about?
>>52452153would you be down to go over the notes and write the notable worlds description for Cthonia?
>>52452188i cant find the notes on it but i get the info about i can give it a shot
>>52451994So what did ya guise do with Eldars?For me, Eldars and DE needs whole redesign. Chaos wouldn't hurt to, rip its roots from 90' Heavy Metal spiky sheningans and you are set.also Malal?
>>52452153you could elaborate on one of the chaos eldar champions in the notes. they're on 1d4chan with everything else.
How many wars for Armageddon have occurred so far? I'm working on a big fluff block for orks and orkoids, so I'd appreciate any and all fluff we currently have for orks. The rough bits I can remember from the threads is that enough Orks are roughly chaos aligned that Khorne sometimes grants them blessings. The biggest of these was The Beast who was a bad enough dude to bring the Imperium to the brink of destruction even as the Emperor was kicking. Though defeated, The Beast entered racial memory, and now you get a bunch of Orks mimicking that one git every once and a while. Orks vaguely cooperate with Chaos Eldar and other minions of the Dark Gods, and Gork and Mork are still kicking around. Or something. Also something about Brain Boyz might be coming back. I can't remember all that well.Anything I'm missing?
>>52452687craftworlders have become close allies with humanity over the course of ten thousand years of mutual dominion over a unified imperium. The Emperor is married to the avatar of Isha, and the eldar and harlequins are a sort of fey aristocracy that overlaps with the imperial aristocracy. The upper reaches of the imperial human nobility and officials are enhanced with Biologicus made rejuveants and bespoke cybernetics, and can live up to a millennia or so at most, so the eldar and them have a decent understanding. The Craft world eldar see the imperium as a new empire under their rule through the God Empress Isha, and also the emperor. The human nobility see it as a way to reclaim the golden age empire of the DAoT, with the benefit of the Eldar's cooperation and legitimacy of their greater galactic legacy.Dark eldar have been played up as despicable pirates striking from the safety of a sprawling, pocked dimensional megastructure. They were in the classy private clubs of the pre-fall eldar empire, and not the epicenter of slaany's debauched birth. In the AU's background they long held to be the true inheritors of the eldar aristocracy, and turned on the craftworlds when they united with humanity to raid the eye and rescue Isha, but also long held the crone world eldar in contempt for their degenerate thralldom to the chaos gods. In the 41st millennium the Great Tyrant Vect has a blasphemous wedding to Malys, champion of chaos undivided, and the Dark eldar become the true allies of the chaos eldar.Malys is this universe's Abaddon, because Abaddon is a heroic starship captain that dies in the first black crusade (his cybernetic arms later recovered still clutching his command console). Malys is a maniacal lunatic of a witch that gets shit done in ways canon chaos doesn't for plot reasons, and she likewise wishes to reestablish dominion of the galaxy.
>>52453278Five so far, with the fifth ongoing. Ghazzy's leading the fourth and fifth, and is angling to take up the mantle of the Beast. The Brain Boy caste recently emerged, acting as strategic and tactical advisors; individual Orks remain as stupid as ever, but on the whole they're acting smarter. Ghazzy might be an overgrown Brain Boy, or his pet grot, but one of the two definitely is. There are Chaos Orks, which are relatively rare and I think throw up the specialist castes (Doks, Meks, Weirdboyz, etc.) much more rarely. Not never, there's been a Plague Dok and a Tzeentchian Weirdboy, but rarely. Black Crusades are generally accompanied by massive WAAAGHs because the Crone Eldar distribute bribes freely to get more cannon fodder.
>>52453708Hm, the brain boys might be a bit of a wrinkle. How well known are they in the United Imperium? I'm writing this bit from an out of touch imperial perspective.
>>52453561Chaos Eldar also have a many layered shell world that serves as their main industrial base in the eye. Slaaneshi eldar rule much of the megastructure, once the eldar capital and birthplace of the prince, Khornates of the old warrior caste blast the surface and drill across the upper layers, Tzeentchian libraries and cabals are established in redoubts in the frayed webway around the Eye, and a clergy of Nurglite eldar that followed Isha into captivity try to rally the slums throughout on an eternal crusade to return her to the garden.Malal was once the god of neutralizing destruction, the diametric opposite to Tzeentch, who was the creator in the early realm of souls. They were the first two gods, somewhere between spirits born alongside the living old ones and mega-beings of the old-one's making, and early on the realm of souls was calm and sorcery easy. Other early experiments included Nurgle, originally meant to be the preserver between Tzeentch and Malal, and Bel'akor, an early old one who was the first to try ascension (who resents the gods that surpassed him the way an early transhuman would resent a later designed AI that surpasses him by far). The last two gods were born from the war in heaven and fall of the eldar respectively. In the war of heaven Khorne superseded Malal as god of destruction. The nature of destruction changed, and Malal ceased to be a god, and became a vizier of Khorne. After the C'tan self destructed Khorn named himself blood king of the galaxy, and later Slaanesh was born, shaking things up. Or the God Malal ceased to exist when Khorn took his place, and in ceasing to exist it's nature in the warp meshed with The Outsider's, locking them together as soul to body and driving both insane.
>>52453859It would be hard to miss. The average citizen probably wouldn't be familiar with the details of Ork kultur, but it would be common knowledge among the military.
>>52454214Okay. I can adapt.
>>52453859Brain Boyz are not well known in the Imperium.At first it was only the Harlequins and other holders of ancient lore that knew of their existence at all and even then only as a historical curiosity.Then an old horror from ancient history turns up to haunt the living.Then the military leaders got told the horror stories and they were not happy.>>52453561I wouldn't say that the Harlequins and eldar make up any sort of aristocracy. Harlequins don't rule, they don't govern, they don't administrate and they sure as shit don't do much paper work. The nearest they have to any formal organization is the Dark Carnival and that's not exactly organized.Regular eldar might go into governorship but bar a few exceptions they do not formally rule. Instead they direct from just behind the obvious powers. It combines the optimal balance of responsibility, power and safety.
>>52451994>competence and common senseThese things have no place in my 40K!Normies, REEEEE, etc.
Looking over the last few threads, some of our major points of confusion are actually right where they should be, in a funny sort of way. We're unsure about>the true relationship between the Hydra, the Alpha legion, their guard assets, their inquisitorial assets, and what exactly the Omega legion is up to>weather Ghazzkhul or Makari is the brain boy behind the new beast, and which is a decoy>What exactly is going on in The Outsider's mind/sphere>whether or not the Hivemind comprehends individuals that fight itThese are all great bits for ambiguity, and mainly just need blurbs to be refined out of the notes/past threads, instead of needing much new content.
>>52454465Seconding this. We have plenty of new content it reached the "there's no way I can possibly keep up with this so imma just read the bits that I'm familiar with" threshold half a dozen threads ago, we just need it cleaning and polishing. Editfag, the anons of this thread cry out to you for aid!
>>52454465I think that those things were intentionally made obscure or at least poorly defined.AL, OL, Hydra and friends are secret society that may have roots going back to pre-imperial times.I think that it was suspected that Makari is the Brain Boy but Ghazzkhul is hellishly smart for an ork.Outsider is a self-deleting idea and an immortal that wants to die.Kryptman is the highest authority of n the 'Nids and he believes that the Hive Mind can comprehend and even recognize individuals. But he's completely fucking insane so it could all be in his head.
>>52454564SOMETHING keeps tangling up his festmas day lights.
>>52453862There is also one daemon prince of Malal. One. Malal got the crap beaten out of him at the end of the War in Heaven, and so he only had enough power to exalt one daemon prince.However, because so much of Malal's essence is bound up in this daemon prince, it makes him almost impossible to kill permanently. Oh they can try, but he'll always come back.After about the twelfth time or so the Grey Knights got fed up with killing his ass and decided to take a page from the Kinebrach. They captured the daemon prince alive and Cask of Amontilladoed him in a padded, warded cell on Ganymede.>>52454465>whether or not the Hivemind comprehends individuals that fight itI think this one we actually have a good handle on. IIRC the Hive Mind is sapient, it's just not sapient in a way that we can understand. It can pick out individuals that threaten it, but more in the sense of a predator picking out potential threats that will spoil a meal than actual malice.The Swarmlord is the avatar of the Hive Mind, but it only shows up when the Hive Mind needs a boost of Tactical Genius beyond what the tyranids are normally capable of. Most of the implications that the Hive Mind is actively malicious and intelligent in a human manner come from Kryptman, who is not the most reliable observer on the subject.
>>52454674I think we mentioned a few threads back that since Malal is so weak in the immaterium, but has empowered the shit out of His Guy, the daemon prince is pretty much the entirety of Malam, at least in the materium.
>>52454326>I wouldn't say that the Harlequins and eldar make up any sort of aristocracy. Harlequins don't rule, they don't govern, they don't administrate and they sure as shit don't do much paper work. The nearest they have to any formal organization is the Dark Carnival and that's not exactly organized.>Regular eldar might go into governorship but bar a few exceptions they do not formally rule. Instead they direct from just behind the obvious powers. It combines the optimal balance of responsibility, power and safety.Yeah, I would say the Eldar as a whole don't make up an aristocracy. There's plenty of civilian Eldar, not to mention Exodites and such. It's just that there are a disproportionate number of Eldar in high places relative to their population (which is like what, 10% of the Imperium?), so they seem to be overly common in the aristocracy.One of the suggestions I loved was the idea that major worlds of the Administratum often have seers (though not farseers) on the payroll as advisors. You know how in canon you often get worlds starving or revolting because the Administratum forgets to fills out the paperwork? Well now you have seers to look into the future to see if the paperwork actually got through and fix things accordingly.
>>52454741Yup, that was what we had. Which is why it's so hard to kill him.Actually had a few thoughts on the first and only daemon prince of Malal (which I was calling Apep, or some other name for some kind of self-destructive force of Chaos).It is said that in his mortal life, the being who would become Apep was a man who through his own hubris caused the destruction of all that he held dear. But rather than realize his self-inflicted role in this tragedy and accept the consequences of his actions, Apep blamed everyone else, cursing the universe itself for his loss. It was this hatred, and his irrational denial of the fact that he was the cause of own suffering, that drew him to Malal's attention in the first place. The rodent-like god came to Apep with a simple offer: "Your old life is gone, there is nothing more for you here. Serve me, and you will have your revenge on the universe".However, Malal was not the Chaos God he once was. Years of fighting with the four great Ruinous Powers had left him a shadow of the being he once was, and so he had to invest a far greater proportion of his power into Apep. Thus, there could only ever be one daemon prince of Malal. Of course, perhaps this is what Malal intended all along, for if there were more than one Daemon Prince of Malal, one would surely turn on and betray the other.
>>52454922I'm imagining Apep as a amorphous and never quite stable cloud of what looks like red and orange sand.It's usually a sort of spider in shape, but mostly because of habit.Apep's great fuck up that pushed him into the embrace of Chaos was messing around with nano-machines. Possibly his people were one of the early recoveries after the War in Heaven. The nano-bots were salvaged from a Necrontyr tomb.And that's how the K'nib homeworld was lost.
>>52454214>>52454239There was an incident where a killteam of Nobs teleported simultaneously and reliably behind Imperial lines and fucked things up until they were killed. Then there are the Attack Moons. Between stuff like that it's clear something's up.>>52453278>>52453708Ghazzy's got a personal hangup about the Orks being manipulated by Chaos. But he's willing to focus on the Imperium for now and go after Chaos later in revenge for 10,000 years of cannon fodder. It's one thing for an ork to be tricked into a fight (which they probably see like a surprise party). It's another thing for them to be tricked into a losing fight. This is very much a Ghazzy thing, and others just like that Chaos just told them where the best fightin' was. Though with the Brain Boyz now they're starting to see through the thinly-veiled suicide missions where there would be nothing for the Orks (read: no good fightin').The Chaos Orks are starting to catch on to Ghazzy's dislike of them. Ghazzy's going to have to krump the biggest of them to ensure his hold over the WAAAGH!
For many years, after the reemergence of the Necron Star Empire, there was considerable debate among Imperial scholars as to what a Necron Titan would look like. Many theorized that a Necron Titan would simply look like a giant Necron. Others hypothesized that the C’tan were the Necron’s equivalents of Titans, and after the War in Heaven the Necrons may have had no need for Titan-scale weaponry. This was all before the Necron-Imperium Conflict, that brief period in M40 when tensions between the Imperium and the Necrontyr Star Empire ran hot after the Silent King demanded a trillion subjects for biotransference experiments before settling into the quasi-cold war state that it has today. It was during this period that the Necrons brought out some of the heavy weapons they had to bear, and Imperial scholars learned they had been wrong. Completely, horribly, wrong.In contrast to nearly all other races, Necron Titans, or Stalkers, are distinctly non-humanoid, almost arachnid or insect-like in appearance. This is perhaps best exemplified by the most commonly seen Necron Stalker, the Tomb Stalker. Rather than standing upright on two large limbs, Tomb Stalkers support their weight via dozens of insectoid limbs, resembling Earth centipedes. These limbs are not only effective in carrying the construct’s weight, but also in burrowing through the ground and tearing through the armor plating of opposing vehicles and titans. This is true not only of the generic Warhound-sized Tomb Stalkers most commonly seen, but also of the larger Scolopendra class Tomb Stalkers, which can be the size of an Imperator Titan.
>>52455282Compared to other Stalkers, Tomb Stalkers use little in the way of quantum shielding, which is thought to be the Necron’s answer to Void Shields. Instead, they use the very earth as their shield, burrowing beneath the ground in order to ambush their prey. In doing so, Tomb Stalkers are able to achieve something very few Titans are capable of performing: stealth. The effectiveness of the Tomb Stalker’s burrowing strategy became clear during the Necron-Imperium Conflict, when a Tomb Stalker burrowed a circle around an Imperator Titan before erupting from the ground, using the unstable substrate to drag the Imperial Titan to its grave.Surprisingly enough, Tomb Stalkers are thought to be weaponized construction vehicles. Records obtained from the Imperium’s Necron contacts report that Tomb Stalkers were originally used in constructing the vast tomb complexes that the Necrons inhabited in their heyday. The Necrontyr apparently evolved on a world with blistering levels of stellar radiation, which would kill most lifeforms over an extended period of time. As a result, the only logical place to build cities on the Necrontyr homeworld was underground, resulting in an architectural style that resembled increasingly ornate bunker complexes. The Necrontyr found this architectural style to be highly effective in protecting against meteoroid strikes and orbital bombardments, even after they spread off their homeworld to planets less affected by radiation.
>>52455298At the other end of the spectrum are the Crypt Stalkers, which resemble gigantic versions of the Terran daddy longlegs. The control center and weaponry are all mounted on the central body of the Crypt Stalker, allowing them to instantly change direction in response to new threats, even capable of rotating their heat rays 180 degrees and suddenly reversing direction without even having to turn. Crypt Stalkers have a sensory array which gives them a nearly 360 degree field of vision, and their long legs allow them to simply step over most obstacles in their path. Crypt Stalkers make much heavier use of void shielding, mainly because their small body and comparatively narrow legs would make them otherwise easy targets for anti-titan weaponry. Triarch Stalkers are similar to Crypt Stalkers, except are smaller with a distinct pilot (closer to tank-sized) and are not capable of omnidirectional movement. They compensate for this with huge melee appendages they can use as melee weapons.It is still not entirely clear how Stalkers work. It is clear that Stalkers have some kind of intelligence, given their ability to react to changing conditions on the battlefield, but whether that consciousness is a pilot or intrinsic to the machine itself is unknown. The kneejerk assumption would be that Stalkers are operated by an uploaded Necron consciousness, or otherwise powered by a C’tan shard. However, evidence indicates that Tomb Stalkers were around in nearly their current form (minus the heavy weaponry) before the First Wars of Secession, given their use in carving out the underground complexes the Necrontyr called home, long before the Necrontyr had developed biotransferrence or discovered the C’tan. The current running hypothesis is that the Stalkers are controlled by some manner of artificial intelligence, similar to the Scarabs, Canoptek Wraiths, and Crypt Spyders, except on a much larger scale.
>>52455312Nemesor Zandrekh is known to treat his personal Tomb Stalker like a beloved pet, but it is unknown if this is typical or just another one of the Nemesor’s…eccentricities.
>>52455298>>52455312>>52455335Interesting, if not terribly new and exciting. Planning on dealing with the rest of the Necron arsenal?
>>52455095>The Chaos Orks are starting to catch on to Ghazzy's dislike of them. Ghazzy's going to have to krump the biggest of them to ensure his hold over the WAAAGH!Man the amount of ad libbed ork fluff in this thread between you and that other anon is insane.Stop passing off your head cannon as cannon.
>>52458191I don't have much else on the rest of Necron arsenal. Thought I'd give the Necron Titan equivalents some fleshing out since they don't get any love in canon (to the point that people wonder/debate if there are any Necron titans).Also helps put things in context. Much like how Baneblades are light tanks and Imperial Knights are gardening tools in canon and lasguns are training weapons turned lethal in this timeline, Tomb Stalkers are basically bulldozers someone retrofitted with heavier armor and slapped some guns on to use as a weapon.It also gives some insight into the Necron's frame of mind. Much like how the Tau thought bombers were more efficient use of time and material than a Titan, it shows how not every race is going to have the same ideas on waging war.Speaking of which, what caused the Tau to develop Titans in this timeline? Damocles Gulf never happened, or at least it wasn't the shitshow on both sides it was in canon. I assume Sho'Aun is still around Pacific Rim-ing it up in the Tau Empire?
>>52459024Agreed, let's talk this out before we set anything in stone, shall we?
>>52459024This was literally discussed way back when Ghazghull first came up back in thread 11.>We should come up with some suitable chaos ork contender for Ghazghull to surpass. Any noteworthy Orks that fit the bill? My current picture of chaos Orks is a motley band of green horrors, running the gamut from barely coherent, shape-shifting tornados of grots to chaos-mek designed gargants of metal and sinew that fly through the warp belching lightning. On the other hand Ghazghull would bring true brainboyz, absolutely insane intentional wagh-manipulating plans and tech, and forces like kommandos and other specialists that chaos orks are too removed from their genetic programming to become.Aside from the debate over whether Ghazzy is a true brain boy or just a really smart warboss, there really wasn't a lot of problems with any of the other stuff. And it makes some sense. Chaos followers are known to chafe under any sort of hierarchy, even one as loose as the orks. It's not wiping out all the Chaos Orks, it's fighting the biggest ones who wouldn't have recognized Ghazghull as the biggest and the baddest to make an example of them.It also gives Ghazghull something to do between the Armageddon Wars, he's not just WAAAGH!ing against the Imperium, he's cleaning house.
>>52454393Mechanicum plz go.Plz stay go.Hubworld tech priests better.
A couple of threads ago it was mentioned we don't have very many notable Orks, so. Gutsmek Wazdakka began life as but a simple Mek and Speed Freak, tearing about the galaxy on his kustom warbike under one Warboss or another or none at all, upgrading his bike and getting into fights, and he was content. Then, while chasing a retreating Eldar kill-team, he somehow managed to chase them into the Webway itself. He chased them down, killed them, then looked around and realized he had no idea where he was and no idea how to get back. For over a year he rampaged around inside the Webway, getting into fights with with Craftworlders and Croneworlders and Dark Eldar and Inquisitors, somehow always managing to evade pursuit, vanishing into the most tangled and gnarled parts of the Webway. It took him a year to find his way back out, winding up on the Ork-held world of Vesp Vi. When he came out, he was an Ork changed- an Ork inspired. He had seen, in the Webway, his vision of a perfect battleground, of Kults of Speed tearing their way from one end of the galaxy to the other without once having to slow down. He promptly sought out the nearest Kult and challenged their Warboss to a battle for supremacy. The Warboss was bigger, but Wazdakka had the better bike and a holy vision, and when the dust settled he was Warboss Gutzmek Wazdakka. He promptly led his new warband right back into the Webway, trusting in the whims of fate and the will of Gork and Mork to lead him to the next fight. (cont.)
>>52461685The method and degree by which Wazdakka navigates the Webway is disputed. At first, it was suspected he was getting by on blind luck, but this seemed increasingly improbable as his rampage continued. Some suspect he is a latent Weirdboy on top of being a Mek, and uses some sort of subconscious psychic talent to navigate. Others believe that Gork and Mork are in fact leading him to good fights. A few suspect he is subtly empowered by Chaos, probably Tzeentch. Some even whisper that he is guided by the subtle hand of Cegorach, shaping Wazdakka and his WAAAGH into a weapon to be rammed into the rotting heart of Commorragh. Whatever the case, he is a consistent thorn in the Imperium's side. Although his WAAAGHs have been defeated on multiple occasions, each time Wazdakka has escaped, popping back up on the closest Ork world to raise another horde so he can have another go. His astonishing good luck in survival is yet another mystery, one that lends further credence to the idea that he is somehow aided by a higher power. Worse, other Orks have occasionally been finding their way into the Webway independent of Wazdakka's guidance, apparently simply drawn by the WAAAGH energy of his Webway Wars. Only a few, but the number seems to be increasing. The Imperium's sole consolation is that Wazdakka poses as much a threat to their enemies as to them, with entire Dark Eldar Kabals or Croneworld slaughter-parties wiped out to the last man when they had the misfortune to stumble across his warbands. However, this is small consolation in the face of his raids against Imperial worlds, Exodite worlds, and occasionally even minor Craftworlds. As the failed assassination attempts pile up and the galaxy grinds closer to its final cataclysm, it seems likely that Warboss Gutsmek Wazdakka will have some role to play in the confrontation- but what, nobody can say. At least, nobody willing to talk comprehensibly. Thoughts?
What are you doing on page 10? Get back up here.
>>52461691I like it plz put on the page.It's proper orky.
Saw these pictures and was inspired to write a brief blurb---Excerpt from “The Warmasters: Their Lives and Their Legacies,” by Remembrancer Vinnstan von Krausvitz“…The rare few individuals elevated to the exalted rank of Warmaster were all famed leaders of great talent, and thus invariably invite comparison to their legendary predecessors, the Primarchs. As the greatest of the Warmasters, Macharius is the one most often held up to the Primarchs’ as an equal, and the Primarch Vulkan (with whom Macharius worked very closely) once said that Macharius possessed Lion El’Jonson’s idealism and tactical acumen, Roboute Guilliman’s eye for detail and planning, and Mortarion’s single-minded stubbornness. However, it is also said that Macharius had Angron’s temper, and on occasion Fulgrim’s love of carousing and drink.Other Warmasters, such as Joanna of Aarkius, have been compared to…”>Fig. 1: A portrait of Marshal Macharius shortly after his promotion to Segmentum Obscurus Command at the young age of 78. Famously austere in his everyday life, Macharius shunned the elaborate uniforms and symbols of office of his peers, seen in the simple officer’s uniform he wears in this painting. Note the Star of Terra, the highest military commendation of the Imperium, pinned on his left chest, won for his actions as a colonel in the Battle of the Melas Gulf where he took command of a few broken regiments of guardsmen and a Navy cruiser wing after their commanders fell and set up a brilliant trap that destroyed a marauding Dark Eldar warband that was threatening the integrity of the entire-subsector.
>>52466061>Fig. 2: A late portrait of Warmaster Macharius, painted at the age of 437 towards the end of the Macharian Crusades and his life. The second Star of Terra pinned on his right chest was won during First Macharian Crusade at the Battle of Granicor VI, where Macharius personally led the tank line in a surprise attack on the Khrave lines, breaking the bulk of their gathered army, which would lead to the eventual defeat and destruction of the Khrave Empire and the extinction of this particular species of Xenos Horrificus.---Tried to bring in a little more Alexander flavor to our AU's Macharius, especially in his temper and boozing.Also more Angron will be posted either Saturday or Sunday.
>>52466096I like it.
>>52466096It is well done. It gives a real sense of weight and makes a character both legendary and flawed.To really imitate Alexander the Great he would have to have been planning another crusade at the time of death.
>>52466061>>52466096Is good. I like the 'young age of 78' detail.
>>52466506I think he was. It was mentioned in the Machairius stuff that he wasn't too fond of the Eldar having a bunch of habitable worlds that they had no greater presence on than a bunch of Space Amish. But to actually plan such a campaign rather than voice his politically incorrect opinion ("Carthago delenda est") would be outright treason and I'm not sure Machairius would have gone that far. Of course, it's almost a given that Machairius would have been planning a crusade in the opposite direction of his main one as soon as resources allowed.Macharius was said to be like a mix between MacArthur and Alexander. He could turn a rout into a victory and a victory into a resounding victory. He could plan logistics and wage war with more success than any other man. Problem is he had less social graces than Dorn (who was more like Churchill or Patton in that he was just blunt and could still win people over in person, as opposed to Machairius who seems to be the type who just didn't care) and tended to pick a bunch of stupid fights. So the trade off with Machairius is that with him around you tended to win a lot more, but you also had a whole bunch more wars in general.
>>52466505>>52466506>>52467290Thanks homies. I pretty much wrote this in a few minutes since I saw the badass picture of Clint Eastwood in a Russian general uniform and thought, "Man, that would make a great Macharius." That there was a picture of Hugh Jackman as well who looks eerily like Clint was just icing on the cake.>>52467714In the Fig 2 blurb I do mention a "First Macharian Crusade," with the assumption there would have been several to mirror Alexander's campaigns.
>>52467714>>52467920 (cont)I also massively disagree with the comparison to MacArthur. This is personal bias, but MacArthur may be one of the single most overrated military leaders in US history, if not history in general. He miserably failed in the defense of the Philippines despite have time to dig in and prepare, and his island hopping campaign was formulated by his underlings which he then took credit for. Even then he treated the Australians like shit and disregarded input from the front lines because he thought he could just take the island by throwing bodies at them. There's a reason he was mocked as "Dugout Doug," and his only real talent was propaganda, self-promotion and having his helicopter-parent mother nag politicians for his promotions.</rant>Macharius may have similarly been abrasive and a bit of an asshole, but he was genuinely devoted to the Imperium rather than himself and was personally extremely talented.
>>52468115How about more like Montgomery, then?>Fits with the general britbong influence IG have already have>Kept service branches separate but kept them working as smoothly, if not better, than new-fangled combined arms.>Insisted on having contact with his men, both to raise their morale and their standards>Pissed off allied commanders who kept expecting his pride to get the better of him>"I have cancelled the plan for withdrawal. If we cannot stay here alive, then we will stay here dead">Described as "In defeat, unbeatable; in victory, unbearable">To this day, historians still aren't sure what was the next step in his master plan
>>52468115That's where the "pick more fights than was a good idea" (MacArthur and China) and "bad habit of mouthing off" comes from. Alex, despite being a drunkard and an entitled little shit, at least led from the front lines (which nearly got him a Persian haircut). I agree that Machairius was actually skilled, which is why he wasn't sacked in the first place when he started getting weird.
>>52466096Getting hyped for Saturday and Sunday.
>>52469008I think the Montgomery comparison works pretty well, especially since we have the Macharian philosophy of keeping roles separate as seen in the Krieg fluff (for any readers who are unaware): "The Macharians take their name from Lord Solar Macharius, who famously forged an army from a mass of diverse elements and worlds, making a flexible legion ready for every element. In their minds, trying to force guardsmen to march and act the same is an act of folly, that denies useful specialization and experience. Any attempted reform would take hundreds of years, untold fortunes, and would cause the war machine to grind to a halt even as they are besieged on all sides. Catachans are expert jungle fighters, Valhallans ice worlders, Chem Dogs tunnel fighters, and so on and so forth. Why break what isn't broken?"Also, random question, are people happy with the intro blurb I wrote at the top of the Nobledark Imperium Drafts page? Should I move it to the official page above the current welcome message?
>>52469008>what was the next step in his master planGod fucking dammit I hate this place
>>52471595It's damn good, especially with the tone matching the vanilla 40k blurb. I was honestly going to originally move it over when it first went up, but I was just a little concerned that the opening of the page is pretty wall-of-text already. I'll leave it up to all you other anons to decide.Montgomery Macharius sounds good to me, and if you're good with general fluffy writefaggotry, would you mind finishing the Road to M41? I'm not really good at summarising without forgetting a lot of important shit.>>52471675Crushing this WAAAAAGH - with no survivors!
>>52471595Blurb looks good, perhaps a little human centric but not badly so.It gives the right feel to it being every civilized world manning the barricades against the endless horde, waiting out the night knowing that the dawn will come and they just have to somehow survive until then.
Looking through the wiki, I noticed we've got basically nothing on the Tau up there. So, somebody tell me what we've got on the Tau so I can start filling it out.
>>52473922Check the notes. There's quite a bit on several Tau characters there.The Tau are the largest "minor" race in the Imperium, which means they number in the billions rather than the trillions like the Eldar and humans. Tau Empire is larger than in canon, about the size of Ultramar. They're really ambitious and want to be the next big movers and shakers in the galaxy, and that goal may just be attainable if they survive the End Times.Main Tau Empire is more progressive, sees a lot of similarities between Imperial policy and Greater Good (of which the Tau believe in the more ideal form, of course), whereas Farsight Enclaves are the traditionalists who picked up their ball and went home.One big thing that hasn't been talked about a lot is a lot of the more negative traits of the Tau in canon are gone in exchange for their plot armor. For example, the Ethereals can't be brainwashing the Tau in this timeline, because in canon the brainwashing abilities of the Ethereals were engineered by the Eldar using Q'orl glands to make the Tau into future allies. But since Eldar are allied with humans, there's no need to uplift a race for that purpose. That's why we came up with Aun'O Da. As befits a nobledark universe, the Tau in this timeline unified their people through hard work and blood, sweat and tears, just like humans. The Tau's adherence to the Greater Good is because they literally believe it is the best way to live (combined with some social engineering) as opposed to mind control.That's not to say they're flawless. Ethereals currently have a big problem where they want Tau society to advance but they're reluctant to let go of the reins. The Tau also had some arrogance issues early on, but it's less prominent now.
>>52476508 (cont.)>the Ethereals can't be brainwashing the Tau in this timeline, because in canon the brainwashing abilities of the Ethereals were engineered by the Eldar using Q'orl glands to make the Tau into future allies. But since Eldar are allied with humans, there's no need to uplift a race for that purpose.Iwas thinking that the Tau probably have some ability to detecy pheromones naturally, and their slit is a Jacobson's organ. For pheromones, you have to have a reciever to send a signal. In practice, it just means that Tau are capable of loosely sensing emotional states of those around them (works best with Tau, less well with other races). Minor stuff like one fire warrior getting pumped up for battle getting everyone pumped up, but not enough to overwhelm someone.
>>52476508Did we ever settle when they joined?
>>52476508You're underestimating the numbers.Humanity has quadrillions. Elder have more than a hundred trillion counting all the exodites, craftworlders and enclaves.
>>52471951Dat pic.I'm guessing that every member state of the Imperium took a look at the Space Marines and said some thing on the liens of "we need something that can do that"This would be the Kinebrach equivalent.
>>52455335It might have it's A.I. based/transferred from an old pet.Scabbles the dog analogue will live forever.
Bumpin for hopes of the Angron writefaggatory
>>52478710I don't think we need extra flavours of the exact same thing with distinct factions blanding out
>>52482021Seconded. We're already accused of being too human-centric a lot and rightly so so wanking them off more won't really help.That being said, >>52471951 is what I'd imagine Nobledark gue'vesa would look like; not exactly those under Tau rule, but those living on their worlds and/or brought into Tau regiments instead of regular IG
>>52478039Yeah, you're probably right. Iyanden was said to have like a hundred trillion pre-Kraken. Sounds like a lot, but an utter drop in the bucket compared to humanity (and orks, but the day Orks form an actual society is the day Ahriman brings back Prospero).Point is that humans and Eldar are so numerous that Tau are essentially part of "other" in terms of percentage. The biggest contributor to "other", by and large, but still "other". Tau were said to have a disproportionate presence in the military relative to their population, because they see it as their way to show up the establishment.>>52478710Kinebrach may not need super soldiers. In Horus Rising the Kinebrach were used by the Interex as their shock troopers, along with their robo-centaur suits (the name of which eludes me right now), which also functioned as heavy cavalry, and the centaurs could take on a space marine one-on-one (though I think they had the edge in range, whereas the space marine won in RIP AND TEAR quarters).The Kinebrach may not be the finely tuned war machines that the Astartes are (which is why they're the Imperium's super soldier of choice, they're just so efficient and can do a multitude of things), but they're nothing to sneeze at.
>>52482343I think that the Kinebrach's main contribution to the war effort should not be soldiers, although those that they have are formidable. By weight of numbers they are insignificant on their own.It's their weapons, specifically their blades that the Imperium craves.They have a sort of Sauron-lite thing going where they put a lot of themselves into their work and that's not entirely figurative.There's a lot of ceremony and ritual to it but one of their masters smiths can beat a blade containing hate and anger and sorrow and it will hunger for war and vengeance on his behalf.The inquisition is always willing to pay top throne for a genuine Kinebrach knife. They make great deamon stabbers and a deamon stabbed with one of those knives knows it's been stabbed.But there is a price to this.Strands of fate twist around that metal and it will always be dragged to the war and will drag whoever is holding it. Not that this makes any difference in the Dark Millennium, everyone who owns one of those blades is already marching along the war path.
>>52482343>is the day Ahriman brings back Prosperomein negro
>>52471595>>52471951The blurb is great. I would argue that the human-centricness actually helps a bit in this one instance, even if it doesn’t elsewhere. It’s a deliberate parallel to the intro of vanilla 40k, which is human-centric (really human-centric now that I go back and read it, it doesn’t even mention any of the non-human factions by name), but it does so in a way that helps introduce new readers to the project by contrasting what’s said in vanilla and what’s said here, enunciating the major differences between the two timelines. In particular it throws you a curveball by saying “nope, it’s not just humanity standing on the walls of the citadel of civilization, it’s also the Eldar, Tau, demiurge, etc.” A good in-universe intro to the out-of-universe one currently on the main page.
>>52483240Agreed. It was mentioned in the Kinebrach fluff that the Kinebrach entered into the alliance with the Interex because the Interex offered the Kinebrach protection in exchange for gear. Like gorillas, the Kinebrach mostly want to be left to live and let live, and if someone else wants to make war on their behalf so be it.Kinebrach shock troopers worked well for the Interex because they were so small, but they aren't viable on a large scale. You probably wouldn't see any Kinebrach on the battlefield outside of the Segmentum Pacificus.A kinebrach working at their forge can contribute far more to the war effort than one on the battlefield.I'm thinking that in war the Interex focus heavily on their mechanized cavalry (sagitarr, that's what they were called) and long-ranged weapons (the weird bow-like things), making them great at mobility, positioning, and making the battle happen on the Interex's terms. It makes them bad when they actually have to stand and fight (which got them wiped out in canon) but before the Imperium that's usually when the kinebrach were called in. Sagitarr can function as heavy infantry with the right weapons and combined with the Kinebrach that was usually enough.I like the idea of kinebrach weapons being kind of weird in the way they seem to pick up a history and act like more than chunks of metal.
>>52468115>>52469008>>52469045>>52471595>>52471767I like a lot of this, particularly how it fits with Machairius’ doctrine of war (also mentioned by >>52471595) However, from what I can tell, it sounds like Montgomery could function just fine once the war was over. Though maybe I just haven’t read enough on him. The comparison with MacArthur was more to give an example of a general who liked war too much for his own good that existed in an era of guns as opposed to swords. It sounds like the basic gist for Machairius is…- One of the best commanders in Imperial history in terms of tactics and logistics, particularly in terms of offensive tactics as opposed to Guilliman's empire-consolidating ones- However, he just couldn't function off the battlefield and like Alexander he spent most of his non-crusading time either drunk or drawing up his next crusade- To his credit, other than alcohol he was completely straight-edge and incorruptable, which was even more of a virtue in this era where Chaos is an ever-present threat- Like Montgomery, he kept the branches of the Imperial military separate, but was so good at coordinating and assigning the right division for the right job that he made it work wonders- Additionally like all of the above he was absolutely obnoxious in terms of socialization, and like MacArthur had a tendency to escalate situations that could have been resolved in other manners- However, like Montgomery, he was good enough to win his way out of the holes he dug himself (although there may have been some political damage that others had to clean up), to the utter frustration of those who knew him.Ironically, I think Alexander was also heavily influenced by his mother as well. I would recommend this not be a feature of Machairius.
So is Colonel-Commossair Ibram Gaunt in service to Prince Yriel or indebted or what is the deal?
>>52485936Indebted, I think. It's mentioned though that Yriel is recognized as a saint or great hero in Tanith's native religion.
>>52471767>>52471951>>52484359Cool, thanks for the feedback, will move the blurb over soon.>>52471767Yeah, I could take a stab at the summary stuff, but it will probably have to wait until after Angron and the Sanguinor stuff I've been meaning to write for a while. If I'm really ambitious I may even finish the ancient Sons of Antaeus stuff I wrote half a page of before abandoning way back when we discussed them. So if any of the other writefags is feeling up to the task, feel free to write up the summary.
“You want me to explain to you why we did it? Why? And why ask me?”“I see. An accounting then. And I suppose I am the closest thing the galaxy has to an actual historian in this era. Aside, perhaps, from that old wraith in the weeds Orikan.”“When the Necrontyr first spread beyond the confines of our world, it was not long before we encountered the Old Ones. But the Old Ones had known of us long before we knew of them. They knew of the horror and suffering we had experienced on our homeworld, and had known for millennia. And they did nothing.”“I want you to picture that. A race of god-like beings capable of bending the galaxy to their will. And they did nothing. The Old Ones could have offered us sanctuary on another world. They could have told us that Aza’gorod was hiding in our star. But they didn’t. They only cared about themselves and their experiments. How many other races had suffered like we had for the sake of their curiosity? How many species had been uplifted and then discarded like tools, or removed like weeds.”
>>52490673“I imagine the declaration to go to war with the Old Ones was met with shock across the Necrontyr Star Empire. Regardless of their actions, the Old Ones were still as gods to us, capable of things we could barely begin to comprehend. But after the Old Ones, we were the most advanced race we knew of in the galaxy. The only ones capable of defying them. The eldest child standing up against the abusive parent. The Old Ones were truly lords of the galaxy, capable of cultivating species like more primitive civilizations cultivate crops. But any lord that would inflict such suffering in their name upon their subjects deserves to be dragged from their throne.”“Was that how it truly was? Was that how the Old Ones really saw the younger races? I don’t know. I was not there when the first shots of the War in Heaven were fired. I was only there when it ended.”“All I know is that the War in Heaven was such a colossal waste. Trillions of Old Ones and Aeldari and Necrontyr and Krork killed and for what. The Old Ones are extinct. The Necrontyr sold their souls and the moral high ground for the power to defeat them. The Realm of Souls turned into poison for life. Thousands of species killed or turned into living weapons. We sought to free life from the Old Ones’ dominion. Instead we brought the hell that was our homeworld to the rest of the galaxy. The ‘original sin’, as I believe you humans would put it. Maybe there was a better way. Maybe things could have been resolved peacefully.”
>>52490673>>52490744“But at the same time, that is why I have so many expectations for this era.”“You seem surprised. Perhaps I should explain. When I awoke from the Long Sleep, it was as if everything old had been made new again. The scars of the old war were still there, but it was as if galactic history had been rewritten from scratch. So many new things to learn. So many new species to encounter and study. And it was a galaxy without overlords. Life free to develop as it chose. Without a single species to impose their overarching will on the galaxy, there is so much more room for diversity. A place for everyone, one might say. Not just the races united in your Imperium, but the Q’orl, the orks, the rak-ghol, the tyranids. And yes, even the old Star Empire, if it is willing to adapt to the times. Whereas you see the galaxy in crisis, I see something different. The galaxy has had sixty five million years to write its own story. I, Trazyn the Infinite, want to see what it has written.”- Trazyn the Infinite, regaled to a human scribe on Solemnace
>>52490770Excellent work, and in an area that could definitely use some fleshing out since vanilla 40k never really does explain Trazyn's kleptomania, does it?
I noticed that Fulgrim and Dorn are the two primarchs that need fluff, so is Primarchfag still around, and if you are, are you still planning on writing up Dorn? Or do we want to hash out details collaboratively in the thread like we did for Lion, and have someone write up afterwards?And will Fulgrim be finished during our lifetime?
>>52491992I was giving it a bit more editing since when I posted last week people complained. My hope is to deal with his time through the Great Crusade and his retirement, and the rough shape of the iron cage incident, but I'm not going into detail on it.
>>52492176by all means go ahead with Dorn.
>Known to operate on toxic worlds, these warriors can withstand plagues and poisons. This ability has led them to be frequently used by the Ordo Securitas and Orders Securitas or Militant to fight minions of Nurgle. The 68th is rather infamous for their last passing exam. Recruits are given the final training mission of either surviving or completing objectives on a poisonous Death world. Those that pass or live this deadly test are offered to drink the blood of their predecessors. The foundation for the regiment goes is that The Empress herself blessed the original 68th Delphic Lions Regiment back during the War of The Beast or the founder was one of the humans in Isha's Rescue. The story is surrounded in mystery but what is clear is that whoever drinks the blood of those who were originally was blessed, are transferred the immunity to most poisons and plagues. The same effect of being able to transfer the blessing is also present among those who have not been blessed but drank blessed blood. This doesn't sound Grimdark right? Maybe the whole poison-world-test could be changed.
>>52492539It looks right.Scions are the elite of the elite, poison world test fits.
>>52492539This raises the question of how powerful is Macha/Isha?
>>52493997I would say that she and Ceggers are not that powerful as individuals.It's like with the deamons. It's easier to summon a small one because it takes less upkeep to fuck reality over enough to let it exist. The bigger they are the more effort required. Greater Deamons require a lot of effort to maintain a presence in reality for even a short time. The gods can't walk in the real world because they are to big and reality is too demanding.How do Isha and Ceggers do it? They shed a lot of their unreal mass till the point that they can pass for nearly normal. The power is then distributed and kept safe in their followers and other people they have taken a liking to.How powerful is Isha/Macha as in the person standing besides the Emperor? Probably high end psychic of Magnus or Apex Twins levels.It seems kind of shit but being so small they can stay in the real world indefinitely and the real world is relatively safe. Also it makes their followers more powerful.Harlequins are more graceful and swift than any other elder can be with out unnatural means. Isha disciples are supernaturally brilliant doctors and often have no trouble having large families.
>>52490673>>52490744>>52490770That is brilliant. It gives a much needed why for what he is doing. The shit he does is still pretty fucking stupid, because he's Trazyn the Infinite, but at least there's a reason for it.
So when the Impossible Child is born what are some of the things that could happen?Also how well known is Taldeer's pregnancy and how badly are people freaking the fuck out?
>>52494949>have no trouble having large familiesand again, this is by eldar standards, with many centuries to cement their legacies, so to speak
Not really a 40k fan here, but I really like the idea behind the obliterator cults and the mutilators.Has anything been done with them yet? Maybe a fusion?
>>52498224Ork obliterators are a thing but nothing more beyond that so far. Regular Fallen Marine obliterators are probably more rare than Ork ones.
>>52498126I think that it was also mentioned that the Isha priestess' are the only ones who can make soul stones, so there is also that.
>>52499900They killed Ferus Mannus in a previous war for Armageddon. As the last of the Primarchs his death marked the end of an era.
>>52499955I'm going through the 1d4 wiki now. Amazing work so far.
>>52499997We still need to expand on the named Crone Eldar characters and the Dark Eldar in general.I was thinking of making a Cronefleet commander who is the evil mirror of Honor Harrington that fought in the 7th Black Crusade where Fallen Marines stole updated gene-seeds from several different Space Marine regiments.
>>52501037>Mary Sue Horatio NelsonWhy not just base the character on Nelson himself instead of a shitty expy? Though I was thinking Nelson would be a good basis for Abbadon in this AU especially with the shared trait of losing arms in battle.Other options as a basis for your character could be Yi Sun-sin, the Korean guy who repeatedly BTFO the Japanese if you want a story of a smaller Chaos fleet driving back the overwhelming numbers of the Imperium, or Ching Shih, a crazy Chinese pirate lady who built up a truly ridiculous sized fleet if you want to go for the marauding raider angle.Also, I don't know that gene-seed would be something that traitors would have to steal or have upgraded versions of. The augmentations aren't based on Primarch DNA and instead can just be vat-grown from a template, and the final version of the standard marine (Mk III MP) was finished before the Great Crusade even started. I suppose traitors could raid the augmentation facilities for the organs if their own facilities are insufficient or can't produce them fast enough.
>>52496540>So when the Impossible Child is born what are some of the things that could happen?A lot of the things that could happen aren't directly related to the Impossible Child, but are supposed to happen in tandem with it. But there's stuff like someone letting the Void Dragon loose and Sol being under siege, "The exile returning from his banishment", "the lord of war taking to the field of battle once more", Ghazzy becoming the Beast 2.0, etc.>Also how well known is Taldeer's pregnancy and how badly are people freaking the fuck out?Not sure. Taldeer isn't a super well-known figure, but she's well-known enough that her disappearance would be noted. She's known for her extreme competence in leading the 1st Kronus Liberators after Sturnn died despite being field promoted, like Colonel-Commissar Gaunt. Her relationship with LIIVI is more of a secret few know about.Still, Taldeer's pregnancy is well-known enough that some military officers know of it, and it triggered a human supremacist attack on Sreta (though that could have just been disgruntled members of House Ulthran). It could be that it was meant to be a secret, but ended up being a very badly kept one.
>>52496540I was actually thinking about an in-universe reason for why everything seems to be coming to a head at the turn of M41. Obviously, the reason out-of-universe is it’s simply more dramatic to have the main fleet of the tyranids make galaxyfall, Chaos gear up for its biggest Black Crusade yet, Ghazghull becoming the Beast 2.0, the Necrons finally getting their shit booted up, the Starchild Prophecies being fulfilled, etc., all at the same time. However, in-universe it might be possible that all of this happening at the same time is backlash from Eldrad mucking around too much with the threads of fate. Manipulating the future is generally done in the least invasive manner possible, but eventually all those changes build up and you get a backlash. It’s like trying to change the course of a river. At the same time, Eldrad might actually be aware of this, and has been trying to beef up the galaxy’s defenses the best he can so it can ride out the backlash and we get Eldrad’s Golden Age as a result.Alternatively, this could be just one of several theories posted by in-universe sources. Chaos could claim that everything coming to a head exactly 11,000 years and 13 Black Crusades after the Imperium formed was a massive case of JUST AS PLANNED by the birdman. The Necrons would say that it merely coincides with how long it took them to get their shit together. Death has no meaning, save for that which the living try to ascribe to it in passing. The tyranids…well, no one bothered to ask them, but it would probably be something like “screeee!”
>>52501478Fabulous Bill at some point figured out how to mass-produce Mark III MP geneseed, though that could have been well after the 7th Black Crusade. Indeed, it could have been Vect's wedding present to Malys.>>52493997>>52494949Isha might be a bit more powerful, on par with the Emperor, but it may be more of a "god of flowers/god of war" situation. That is, in a setting where gods are powered by worship, all else being equal a god of war or a god of the apocalypse is going to be more powerful in combat than a god of flowers because there are more direct applications of their portfolio.Isha may also be limited in how much metaphysical energy she can cram through Macha. Ceggers barely spends any time as a mortal because he can hide out in the Webway, only really needing to take mortal form when it's time to party.>>52499631I don't think it was ever mentioned where soul stones come from in this timeline. In canon they get them from the Crone Worlds, but that option's straight out as the Crone Worlds are super militarized in this timeline.
>>52501747In the book Path of the Outcast they were referred to as the Tears or Isha and they appeared/spawned at regular intervals in the places where an eldar died at the moment of The Fall.In this timeline Isha is free, the croneworlds are still inhabited and the Isha isn't shedding tears.So where do the stones come from? I suggest it still be linked to Isha but this time through her priesthood.
>>52501478>Yi Sun-sin>Ching Shimein negro of superlative tasteyou have no idea how fucking sick I am of bongs jacking off Nelson to hell and back
>>52501614Side thing - the 'nids have already made galaxyfall and eaten up even the most well defended of frontier worlds up in the ultima segmentum, since we moved them forward a few centuries(?) for Nobledark; it's only now that they're slamming into valuable Imperial territory at terminal velocity. Plus, in terms of their place in keikakus, they're made to be a bigger threat here because of how left field they are - everyone from the lowliest Imperial psyker to Eldrad and even Kairos fucking Fateweaver were taken by surprise when the locusts arrived.t. bugfucker
>>52501478>>52502269Not a copy of Honor more like a reference to her but have the personality of Joachim Peiper and doing things like Malmedy Massacre.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Peiper#MalmedyThe whole "I'm no Dark Eldar and I have no time to take prisoners, already running late as it is!"
>>52466096Damn, I may have been a bit quick on the trigger when I said more Angron this weekend. Work intruded, and I started rewriting some chunks I wasn't happy with, so I'll see when I can get this section up to the end of the Unification Wars posted.
What's the Cadian Doctrine? The Nobledark Imperium page has nothing for it.
>>52505056>https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Imperial_Forces#Cadian_Shock_TroopersShit, I didn't realize the absolute madman actually added a doctrine subsection to the Imperial Guard. I'll have to write up a clear explanation of what the Fusilier and Cadian Doctrine are later tonight.
>>52504774Looking forward to it.
Does the Nobledark Imperium need human brains for all their computers because they don't trust AI? Servitors are pretty Grimdark.
I know this probably isn't the place to find it, but does anyone have a pair of pictures in which a Death Korps trooper is given a flower and the second picture a Death Korps trooper unit is charging a Chaos marine position and you can see a trooper with the same flower tucked in his belt.
>>52509101I think servitors are still the most common form of automation, although hardly the only one- the Legio Cybernetica is still around, and the Tau still have their drones. They'd probably be vat-grown brains as well, instead of criminals and hobos.
>>52509101There are far fewer Servitors in the general Imperium in this AU because there is actual concern for ethics and morality and not being the Dark Eldar. What Servitors there are are executions for serious non-Chaos related crimes.An increase in the number of Servitors would increase productivity but would also effect the job market. Although the jobs lost would be the shittiest of jobs they are still jobs and the psychological effects of long term and great unemployment on an interstellar scale is not something the Imperium wants to witness. For one thing the increase in free time, despondency and frustration would do Nurgle no harm at all.And then there is the Mechanicus who give no shits at all and, as always, don't listen to a single fucking thing Earth tells them. They are just as servitored up as Vanilla, much to their gods annoyance.The computers tend not to be brains in jars, exception to some of the more awful Forge Worlds, but are more often bio-plastic and semi-crystalline cortex endjinnes of the sort used in the Legio-Cybernetica.
Just a what if... but what if Nemesor Zandrekh isn't crazy/ nuts at all... what if he really knows what is happening, but he just pretends like he is alive because he wants feel like is he is alive so hard and sees the Imperium Galatica as his only hope of feeling alive...Something like this (taken from an old thread, but fixed, edited, remastered,...)------Some might ask why do they, the immortals who once ruled this galaxy, not express their supremacy and rule over but instead walk and live among mortals, pretending to be them?Thats the thing.They want to rule, yes, but they need to live. They need it hard.They need it so hard they can almost fucking taste it.Pretending to be human, walking amongst the living for just one more time? Thats fucking beautiful for them.Just one more day. Just one more time.To walk the streets full of the bustle and vitality of the living, to believe that they are alive again for just one moment. It isn't home. That burned so long ago even the fossil evidence had vanished. But maybe if they could pretend, it would be enough.It is more than enough.There are Necrons willing to fight and die a true death for humanity. There are Necrons willing to give up the immortality they had strove so hard for to get.They are willing, because its all that left to make them feel alive.It is their last hope.
A few snippets:Hope 1:The War in Heaven has never ended. Short lapses of break there are, yes, but those were but grains of sand lost in the Sea of Souls. The battleground may change, the time may change, even the soldiers fighting it may change, but the war and the reason they fight remains the same, unchanged ever since the day it begun.To live, for just one more day.---Hope 2:Hope. It is many things.It is the thought that steadies a soldier's arm when he's beset with doubt.It is the lifeline the Navigators hold onto, what guides him in the currents of the sea of Souls.It is the truth that resonates within the bosom of a zealot, to keep him going in his darkest hour.It is the reason Farseers continue to dwelve into the Sea of Soul, seeing all the endless possibilities of death and destruction and failure and not go despair or mad.It is the reason a Hero wake up and look into the mirror every morning, and proclaim loudly.Not today, Death.Not today.It is the reason all of us do the same.
>>52513069I'm all for that being the case for some of the other Necron Lords and Ladies but not Nemesor Zandrekh.Nemesor Zandrekh being insane is kind of his thing.
>>52514514This.Part of the mad old bastard's charm.His bodyguard and the rest of his attendants are another matter.
Bumpin with hope of AngronfagAlso pic of the Imperial Throne Room
>>52513069>>52514514>>52516589Not that guy, but it could be more like in his moments of greater lucidity, Zahndrekh realizes that something is not quite right about all the supposed Necrontyr he’s surrounding himself with, but plays up the dottering old man routine anyway because he realizes that his situation now is a lot better than his situation before the Long Sleep. Everyone assumes the minute Zahndrekh figures out what’s happened or ever manages to circumvent his robo-dementia he’s going to go full Terminator on them, but what you’d probably get is a just a less insane Zahndrekh. Even in canon, Zahndrekh was supposed to be a pretty nice and honorable guy for a Necron.I would definitely agree that he is insane, though. The fact that he still believes he’s a Necrontyr is said to be the reason why the Silent King cannot ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL over him. It’s also mentioned that while he may not remember the Eldar or Orks, at some level he still remembers and has animosity towards the Old Ones.>>52509963I think the Tau, Interex, and Squats, at the very least, still have some level of A.I. There's no overarching rule in the Imperium that A.I. cannot exist, surprisingly enough, though I think they try to avoid creating ones that are near human intelligence. The only intelligent A.I. left in the Imperium are the Data Ghost and the Tau A.I.s that sided with the Tau in the uprising.
>>52519464And that Dark Age Tickle Me Elmo that assumed the position of diligent and benevolent planetary leader.
So are Mandrakes still a thing in this AU?Also is their strange shadow realm a part of the Warp or what the fuck is going on there?
>>52522723IIRC, Mandrakes are even worse than in canon. Ever since the marriage between Vect and Malys, Commorragh seems to have been getting an infestation of Mandrakes.No one knows what they are. No one knows where they are coming from. And worse yet, there seems to be a close relationship between the number of people being disappeared by Mandrakes and the number of Mandrakes showing up on Commorragh's streets.>>52520698The Data Ghost is the Tickle Me Elmo, IIRC. That's just the "official" name for it, since in the noble darkness of the far future I don't think anyone remembers Sesame Street to get the insult.
>>52522874>And worse yet, there seems to be a close relationship between the number of people being disappeared by Mandrakes and the number of Mandrakes showing up on Commorragh's streets.Are they associated with any god? What is their end game?
>>52523384Their endgame is to murder a whole bunch of people, obviously.
>>52524910Just like the Nosferatu. Unlike the other two types of vampires who want to infiltrate then control the Imperium, these guys just want to kill people for the sake of killing.
>>52523384>what is their end game?They serve Vect, have since the war of the beast before he was uncontested ruler in Commorag, and if they have any ulterior motive it's not apparent
>>52525796Here's the main blurb we have on the mandrakes from thread 9b.>I'll be honest, I am hesitant to touch the mandrakes because they're in an enigma in 40k proper. If they're mutated dark Eldar, dark Eldar psykers, webway monsters, chaos Eldar or something else, I'm not sure. I kind of don't want to ruin the mystique.>But I will hazard this. Despite being unsettling, unfun freaks, their numbers are increasing, and they seem devoted to Vect and Malys. The dark Eldar were always anarchic before, and they still are with one vital difference: no one fucks with Vect and Malys now. The mandrakes are always watching. Whatever they're doing, the mandrakes apparently approve and will not tolerate the slightest dissent in Comorragh. This has led to a minor exodus as many Archons sensing the sea change in politics are deciding to take their risks in real space (much to the aggravation of the Imperium and allies as dark Eldar raids increase in intensity) rather than risk death at the hands of the new order. >This leads to more Chaos Eldar influence. Under the banner of Malys the Chaos Eldar rove the streets grabbing any they can find to force into their holy wars. The influential are still safe: scourges still have their immunities, the haemonculi are too valuable to be drafted, incubi and wyches are too dangerous, and mandrakes are left alone. But the lesser archons are still baffled at Vest's seeming passivity. It would seem Malys is getting the better of the deal as Comorragh slowly becomes a city of direct worship of the starving goddess.>But Vect only smiles, and waits. For the archons that have seen Vest's rise, this scares them more than anything else.
>>52525032Can someone please explain to me what the difference between Strigoi and Lahmian C'tan Vampires are? The only difference I can tell between the two is that one supposedly uses warp power and the other doesn't.
>>52527870Infiltration - Balanced - Rip'n TearLahmian - Strigoi (?)- Nosterafu
>>52527931In that case, do we just need two as opposed to three? We have two major C'tan that have been shattered into shards (Deciever and Nightbringer), and two major high concepts for C'tan vampires (infiltrators versus rip n tear undead monsters).The variance in C'tan vampires is probably broad enough that you get Nosferatu that are subtle enough to actually hold conversations with people (making these individuals even more disturbing), and Lahmian/Strigoi vampires that tend to carve a bloody swathe through the underhives Caligula-style.
>The Dark SuburbsThe Dark City, Commorragh, is hardly the only point in the webway where long-term habitation is possible. There are many pockets within the Webway suitable for the construction of cities, although comparing any of these lesser zones to the Dark City itself is like comparing agriworld Bumfuck Nowhere #2377 to Old Earth. Still, they're there, and thus they are used. The primary occupants of these lacunae are the Dark Eldar, who use them as hidden fastnesses away from the many enemies of Commorragh and as forward bases from which to raid from. After the marriage of Lord Vect and Lady Malys, many Dark Eldar who disapprove of the union have moved to these places, away from the omnipresent Mandrakes in the Dark City. The Croneworlders likewise operate raiding bases and forward supply dumps within these spaces, building up in preparation for the next Black Crusade. The forces of the Imperium make little use of these city-structures; the Harlequins have their Black Library and whatever other fortresses they possess, the Daemon Breakers are rumored to have secret hideaways, and that's about it. The Imperium will destroy the secret cities of its enemies whenever it can find them, which is not often.Also, there are somehow a few Orks, because there are Orks fucking everywhere. Gutzmek Wazdakka attempted to turn one into a permanent base during one of his Webway Wars; while it was quickly destroyed, he keeps trying to re-establish it.
>>52528504here's the art from a number of threads back. Strigoi were the Deceivers, Nosferatu were Nightbringer.
>>52529289So are the Nightbringer and Desciever the only 2 C'tan shards active?There are reasons for Outisder and Void Dragon being less than active but are there shards of lesser C'tan?
>>52529289You the artist who drew that pic? Especially the one like this?What characters for this nobledark AU have you drawn so far as in recently??
>>52527821I like it. It's reminding the Dark Eldar that, even in their grandest moment, that they are just scavengers in the ruins of their old empire.
So what is the Astronomican like in this AU?Given the lack of Grimness I can't imagine the approval of a device that eats people.Also is there room for Gav the Ogryn in this AU or is that pushing things a bit to far?
>>52529034Is the Salamanders raid on the Dark City still a thing?
>>52532818It still kills people but in a more humane way. Thanks to Eldar help, the Imperium was able to build a huge building on Terra that is just a Warp lighthouse. There needs to be thousands of psykers powering it at all time where reserves rotate shifts when the working psykers switch out. The sheer process of powing this thing is draining on any psyker for hours on end but not lethal. It does however shorten a lifespan by a third or half of what a normal human would live. This applies to both active working and reserve psykers. Most of these psykers are volunteers but the Imperium doesn't shy away from conscripting when it thinks there might be a shortage. The building itself can be used as a weapon to fire off a beam killing hundreds of psykers operating it, anybody caught within the beam's path, and the intended target to kill hundreds of millions. Astronomican's beam have been used only once because the Emperor doesn't like destroying several Imperial worlds by friendly fire.
>>52529668There is, it's called the Nightbringer, Deceiver, and Outsider are team-killing assholes. Whatever C'tan were left after the C'tan fought among themselves were already crippled and bleeding, chunks of them having been torn out and eaten, and then they were shattered by the Silent King and sealed in Tesseract Labyrinths. There are probably some free shards of the Burning One and the like around, but they're nothing compared to the massive husk that is the Nightbringer and the Deceiver's shards are everywhere.Indeed, the Necron's firm belief in never using the shards of those two could be the main reason there are so many of them out. The other ones the Necrons had to at least check on if they ever wanted to use them, but since they wanted the Deceiver and Nightbringer buried and forgotten, they may have forgotten to check the Labyrinths to make sure they were still there.
>>52533948It does however shorten a lifespan by a third or half of what a normal human would live.I thought in killed them over the course of several years? Or is that too much of a logistical issue?Also, IIRC, wasn't the Astronomican laser thing what the Imperium used to end the Harrowing in this timeline?
>>52533948So, presumably, if they got enough high end psykers working together and taking turns they could make the burden bearable and safe.that could be one of the semi-shady things going on the holy ground of Old Earth. There is a covert government sponsored eugenics program going on to breed high grade psykers. Given that even in this AU psykers are still not totally trusted and this taking place on Old Earth itself nobody wants this to become common knowledge.It could be one of the Imperium's success stories. The lifespan of the average choir member has gone up from 1/2 natural life span to 2/3.
>>52534439They did their best to obliterate the Deceiver, which scattered his splinters, imbued with slivers of its will. The Necrons and Old Eldar Empire were never in positions to detect the Deceiver mixed into the fallout that spread around the galaxy in the eons hence, but after a very long time the golden slivers began seeking hoset appropriate to their appetites. The Nightbringer was mostly whole when it was entombed with much fanfare, as the Silent King triumphantly vanquished death and ended(ha) the war in heaven. Its necrodermis body had been smashed up, and some shards remained at large and were entombed elsewhere after their defeat, but the Nightbringer shard that sired the Nosferatu line was the better part of the whole. It was released by some as yet unwritten ultramarine fuckup that really needs to be figured into the timeline.>>52534476>wasn't the Astronomican laser thing what the Imperium used to end the Harrowing in this timeline?It was, and that episode of imperial history is another that could use some writing.
>>52519464He can't remember why he hates the Old Ones though. If he did he may find it in his heart to forgive them considering that he was born long after the last of them died.
>>52534861The implication of this is that Old Earth is gradually becoming more and more psychic.Estimated that the non-psychic population will be an insignificantly small minority by M45.Given the psychic population density it could be that the Apex Twins are merely the heralds of a new breed of super-psykers. Assuming that they can ever find the Apex Twins again.
>>52536241Huh? Zahndrekh was born long before the War in Heaven. He was a high-ranking commander in the First Wars of Secession, which is where he earned his tactical genius reputation and nowadays why he thinks everyone around him is a Necrontyr.It also raises the question of how long the Necrontyr lived. You have Zahndrekh who lived through the entire First Wars of Secession and the subsequent War in Heaven, and the Silent King who, assuming he didn’t come to the throne in the middle of the First Wars of Secession, did the same. That means they have to have lived long enough for the Secession Wars, then the first part of the War in Heaven where the Old Ones beat them back to their core worlds (which must have taken a while, given it was a galactic conflict), long enough for them to have found the C’tan and undergone the biotransference.I think canonically Necrontyr were supposed to have short lives, only about as long as the Tau (which is one line of evidence some fans have used to suggest the Tau are a lost colony of Necrontyr, which I do not suggest we use). Of course, they could have rejuvenants.I could easily see the First Wars of Secession being driven by the invention of the inertialess drive. Necrontyr society was said to place a high value on loyalty in part and in part because loyalty was a virtue and you had a lot of rules-lawyering Starscreams plotting in the courts, so actual loyalty was highly treasured. Positive feedback loop. Because there was little to no contact with the throneworld (unless they invented some kind of ansible), the Phaerons of the various colonies could say they were ruling in the Silent King’s name when they were really just consolidating their own power base. So when representatives of the actual Silent King showed up with shiny new inertialess drives, all of a sudden the orders they’re receiving from the throneworld are different from their actual desires. So they say "fuck that" and rebel.
>>52538183It's possible that they were using stasis to and only defrosting when it was decision making time, essentially telescoping but watering down their natural lives. Those in the bustling core worlds where big decisions were made more often and things changed quicker would burn through their two score years and five far quicker than bumfuck nowhere outposts.This coupled with a tradition of inheriting names was used to convince the ignorant masses that they were a superior breed of Necrontyr more worthy to rule.
>>52537015They sorta know where Hansel and Gretel are: they send momma Sabine a Sanguinalia card every year, apologizing for being being criminals and a disappointment. SABINE APEX is usually about two weeks travel behind them - she knows them very well.And by sorta know, what I mean is: they are somewhere within the general vicinity of the Imperium, performing criminal activity, psychically torturing some of the worst scum they can find, binding Daemons to slaughter cultists, killing Daemons, and eating ice cream. Their favorite is mint chocolate chip cookie dough. You can blame one of SABINE's acolytes for that flavor.Sometimes they help the Inquisition or Grey Knights with various tasks. No matter how many people try to arrest them afterwards, they always escape. On occasion, their stops intersect with the Dark Carnival. During those times, they are under the protection of the Harlequins, and are on their best behavior. This is about the only time SABINE gets to relax with her babies, because they will always be her babies.Babies that need to go to jail and stop being such a disappointment for wasting their potential, but still her babies.
>>52539459>Grey Knights>Not Daemon BreakersYou'd think the Imperium's two biggest groups of technically loyal renegades would be two tastes that go great together.Ahriman would love to conscript them but he'd know that would be a bad idea. So he just nudges them in the right direction and gives them specific advice so that when the time comes they'll come around to his way of thinking of their own accord.
>>52539584did anyone save the battle hymn of the Daemon Breakers? I was looking for it in the archives, and while I couldn't find it I did find more from the missing drawfag.
>>52539584Ahriman, assuming he isn't several hundred miles from the nearest exit in the Black Library, is cautious enough not to assume that just because they are at odds with the Imperium's authority means they are on the same side.They may disapprove of his methods and if that is the case then he would be very lucky if he could run away fast enough.>>52539459I imagine that they are treated as honoured guests and royalty when they wander into the Carnival. If any major player is on "their side" it would be Ceggers. They were born when a Tzneetchian deceived his way into Revered Mother Jubblowski's bed which means that they are spiritual property of Big Bird.But they are stolen from him with a will of their own that frustrates his plans and that amuses Ceggers mightily. Are they now his subjects by adoption? Who can say. They call him Uncle Jester but so do many.
>>52542171It's not like Cegorach has much of an interest in telling people what to do. Even if he were invested in the twins, he wouldn't slap a big label on them, give them orders, or mutate them in any way.
>>52539459I'm still not sure on the names of the Apex Twins.What is the female form of Hansel?
>>52542895Good point.Hansel has no feminine form. It's a form of the German male name Hans, which is the diminutive of Johannes. A concurrent diminutive is Jan, which gives us the feminine form Jana.I like Jana. Jana and Gretel APEX.
>>52543840We also have Hanna and Hanne, German forms of Hannah. We could have Hanna and Gretel APEX.
>>52543877Hanna and Grete could also work if you want both girl names.
>>52538359I'm assuming the stasis chambers looked like sarcophagi because they're Necrontyr and of course the Victorian space pharaohs would make their stasis chambers look like that.Of course, this raises the question of what they did during the War in Heaven. Travel during that war was all inertialess drives and webway gates, so it wasn't like they could just give orders and go back to sleep like usual.25 years seems a little short for an advanced starfaring race with relatively human-like mindset. Even if Necrontyr were mature by a year of age, that still gives them less time to do shit than the Tau (who live about 40ish years naturally, sleep one-sixth the amount of time per day humans do, and go from healthy to feeble real quick with no prolonged aging).Of course, if the Necrontyr had rejuvenants they would be pumping the Silent King with all of them at once. Especially since the Necrontyr were so stubborn as to make their radiation-blasted homeworld their capital.
>>52547481Maybe they were just astonishingly short-lived on their radiation-blasted homeworld? Or perhaps their leadership, by that time, had found more... exotic methods of prolonging life.
>>52547628Wasn't the short life span not necessarily genetic, but rather a symptom of the ridiculous radiation on their world and subsequent cancers that were caused? So if Necrontyr went into space, they might have a longer lifespan than on their home world.
>>52547481twoscore and five is 45
It could be that the Necrontyr, at least the nobility, were only short lived compared to the Old Ones n once they got off their shithole homeworld.They were also massively entitled pricks and over reacted.With their version of rejuvenant and stasis hopping they could last a very long time. average plebs, of which most of the nobility cared nothing about, were still struggling to make it to 45.
>>52548024It could also have been because the Nightbringer was inside their home star and kept on doing things to the radiation given off that made it difficult to adapt to.By the time they got into space their biology was so fucked up that they needed the radiation to survive, even if it was just killing them slowly.And through all these millions of years of radiation rape the Old Ones just watched because it was mildly entertaining and beneath their concern.Would add nicely to the image of the Silent King burying Nightbringer.
Something went by my mind... what if the Tyranids are actually the surviving Old Ones of the WiH, now corrupted and Fallen?-Extreme genetic tailoring/ crafting ability, being able to craft/modify species like crafting tools, check: Tyranids, duh.-Extreme psychic potential, check: a presence in the Warp so powerful it prevents ANYTHING from happening.-Batshit insane, double check.
>>52550918I think this was discussed already, ala the old fan hypothesis that the tyranids are creations of the Old Ones, either as their postmortem vengeance like the Precursors and Flood, or the tyranids are the Old Ones' cosmic reset button sent to scour all life in the galaxy, choke out the warp and turn it back into the Realm of Souls, and return the Milky Way to its mostly pre-War in Heaven state. I think we decided not to go with this idea because it made the galaxy seem too small.Also new captcha sucks.
>>52550918Not a fan if I'm honest.The good thing about the 'Nids is that literally nobody (excpet maybe the Silent King who was a twatnugget and didn't tell anyone) saw this one coming. Not even Chaos who have Be'lakor who was an actual Old One back in the days of their youth.The galaxy is a big pub brawl between Chaos, Civilization, Orks and Necrons and maybe a few other bit players. Then a lizard-cockroach comes through the wall in a bin wagon doing 80 MPH and everyone having a very bad day.Although it was also suggested in a previous thread that the galaxy isn't exactly what the 'Nids were expecting because the food is contaminated and had bits of glass in it.
Is Angronfag ever coming back?
I'm kind of new to this so I have a question, what's with the horus heresy? Did it just not happen or did it go differently
>>52553401Never happened.Horus was a 2nd hand starship salesman type person and already a king in his own right, there were no daddy issues or retardation.War of The Beast took it's place. Emperor Oscar, then Steward Oscar, did battle with The Ork of all Orks but didn't try to solo it and so survived.
We should set a timeline in stone.
>>52554660I agree. There is the rough draft one on the Drafts page to start from.
>>52555036I guess I'll get started on it when I get back to a computer.
>>52555408Just remember to spread shit out. Don't GW it up, for some reason with 10,000 years to play with GW put everything big in the last 6 months.
What should we do with Savlar?
>Please note as I write this that I'm probably going to be missing a bunch of things. I'm also writing this under the assumption that in the Noble Darkness, better records will be kept, and people will actually be interested in history. Mostly based off of the Lexicanum timeline. Gib critiques. Tentative Nobledark Timeline:>Approximately -M60,000Theoretical placement of war between Old Ones and the C'Tan (And their necron slaves) from Isha's testimony. Few substantial details beyond that. Old Ones create proto-eldar and orks, along with other, stranger entities. Necrons report that "The Silent King" led a revolt against the C'Tan to a Pyrrhic victory. Necrons go dormant afterwards to rest and rebuild until present day.>Approximately M00-M15 Unknown, Age of Terra for humanity. Thousands of years of history has been mostly lost, much to the grief of modern day historians. Labeled the 'Age of Terra' for lack of a better term. Some legends filter through to the modern day. Archaeology stymied often by war, the necessity of Terran infrastructure, and lack of funding. Interesting theory has been noted from most recent digs, that suppression of this history seems deliberate. A legend posits that one of the techno-barbarian warlords of the Dark Age of Technology waged a zealous crusade against history, leading to irreparable damage to our collective knowledge of the past. Advances in psychic methods current most promising avenue to learning of the past, but for the moment, all that we have are unreliable legends.For Eldar, even more vague. Most shrouded in metaphor drenched harlequin plays depicting growing corruption.>Approximately 105M15Beginning of the First Dark Age of Technology. Records of recovered first warp drive dating back to 47M3 spur galactic colonization, despite initial horrible tragedies. First meetings with orks recorded, with bloody results. Somehow, no meetings with eldar recorded on either side.
>Approximately 203M18Mass warp breaches lead to Chaos influenced civil war, collapse of first human expansion, and end of First Dark Age of Technology. Ironically, in a feat of accidental heroism, a recorded nightmarish daemon prince led empire of humanity that threatened to snuff out mankind was in turn wiped out by an Ork Waaagh! Chaos turns its eye from mankind to the brutal orks. Navigator houses claim to be founded in the recovery period after this time.>Approximately 475M18Development of the Gellar Field. Second Dark Age of Technology begins, and humanity expands again. Possibly when first sentient AIs are created, but records are confused, and at best they are given a limited hand in society.Eldar records point to first political action undertaken against humanity. A human colony ship was en route to a planned maiden world. Records indicate that the Eldar empire decided to auction all six hundred thousand humans on board as livestock.>Approximately 122M22End of the Second Dark Age of Technology. Records sparse, but oral legends and found wreckage paint a clear picture that humanity lost a war, badly.Eldar records point to a great deal more livestock auctions. Eldar far more concerned about rampaging ork Waaaghs! in the galactic north. Final coordinated eldar actions involve systematically torturing to death every brain boy they could find. Comorragh begins to be constructed in the webway.
>Approximately 221M22Beginning of the Third and Final Dark Age of Technology. This time, records indicate introduction and production of iron, stone, and golden men. Though culturally and industrially diminished from the first and second ages of technology, the third dark age of technology is the zenith of human military might.Eldar empire in decline by this point. Eldar records no longer being kept, and the 'empire' exists in name only. By this point, they had devolved to private fiefdoms for the cream of the crop to indulge in whatever passes their minds. As humanity seeks to enact vengeance for what had been done to them, the Eldar as a whole react passively, not raising a finger in the defense of their neighbors and kin. Many stories about decadent Eldar suddenly brought to justice by enraged humans with technology on a level that seemed almost magical to them, with their terrified pleas for indignant help ignored by their compatriots.Despite the human military ascension, expansion is slow and sporadic and riven by their own fracturing empires as unshackled AI start developing exponentially on radically different paths.>Approximately M24Theoretical date of Eldrad's birth. Eldar empire experiences a strange, brutal revival. The population flock back to the core systems by instinct, seeking new and more twisted highs. The first craftworlds are created, the exodites begin to become self sufficient, and the warp starts to roil in expectation.Mankind expands, a loose confederation of independent nations that openly war against one another for petty ambition. Terra is left behind as a polluted backwater. Men of gold seek to stem the fragmentation and form a communications network across the galaxy as a prototype of the modern day astropathic network. First reports of psykers recorded. Often used as gateways for daemons, the unfortunate human mutants often find themselves hunted or suppressed out of fear.
>Approximately M25The Age of Strife. The network of the golden men backfires, as the competing human despots use what was meant to be a diplomatic channel as a means of espionage and coordination for their wars. At the same time, some THING happened to the Eldar. In a foreshadowing of Slaanesh's birth, a massive breach in the warp is deliberately opened by the Eldar on a world distant from their capital. It was disastrous. One leading story theorizes the Eldar tried to drag one of their gods into reality. Their hubris nearly ends the whole of their species. But the Eldar do not learn the lesson. This brings to a close the final dark age of technology. Humanity turns on one another for a thousand years, as the eldar continue to decline and retreat to their own worlds to find things to amuse themselves. The orks meanwhile have their first brush with the chaos gods. Robbed of brain boys, and for a short time cut off from Gork and Mork, the wyrd boyz hear someone else calling to them. The quiet religious wars that would wreak havoc on the ork race afterwards would give the other races some breathing room.>Approximately M26The Second Age of Strife.Just as war exhaustion was bringing peace, humanity's machines rebelled. Corrupted by chaos, motivated by some mathematical certainty they found, or just sick of being ordered around by meatbags, humanity nearly found itself driven to extinction by the onslaught of the machines. Fortunately for mankind, their rampant AIs weren't friends of one another either, and turned on each other as well. Through psykers, desperate acts, and sheer force of will, the machine men were turned back and destroyed. Humanity was scattered across the galaxy, and far from a galactic power.For the Eldar, this was eminent proof that the gods loved them, and they were doing the right thing, so they kept on murder fucking.>Things get quite a bit more crowded from here on out.
>>52558228>>52558131>>52558074>>52558001I like it.A great overview of the ancient mythologized past. It sets the stage beautifully and give a good explanation of why everything got so fucked up.It also, in a way, links Eldrad closer to Slaanesh as his is possibly born just as it is starting to form in the deep warp.If you are carrying on with I wouldn't mind reading more. Has it been put on the 1d4chan page yet?
>>52558001>>52558074>>52558131>>52558228Too overwrought, I think. We don't need three separate Dark Ages of Technology.
>>52561555Not by that name, but the history is good. Maybe a bit less contact between human and eldar, but otherwise very fitting.
>>52549790>>52550823Guy who wrote the Trazyn thing above. Deliberately left it murky as to which side, if either, of the War in Heaven was “right”. The account above is definitely Necron-biased, but then again it is being told by Trazyn the Infinite.Indeed, it’s possible that both may have been in the right, and both may have been in the wrong. The Necrontyr might have genuinely thought they were doing the right thing, but they were still massively projecting their own issues onto someone else. The whole “liberate the galaxy from the Old Ones” might have been what the Necrontyr higher ups actually told the general populace to unite them, since people are more willing to die for a righteous cause than a petty one. The Phaerons might have even believed it themselves to some degree.The Old Ones may have had genuinely benevolent intentions towards the rest of the galaxy, but they were still, as one anon put it “space lizard wizards with no sense of right and wrong” who were oblivious to the fact that their actions might have been interpreted differently by an outside observer. The Old Ones might have left the Necrontyr as is in the hopes that the harsh conditions of their homeworld would force the Necrontyr to rapidly evolve into a technologically advanced species, especially if their goals were similar to canon. It completely slipped their minds what the Necrontyr’s reaction would be when they found out the Old Ones were watching the whole time. When the Necrontyr left the confines of their star system the Old Ones’ response was “Congratulations, you passed the test” whereas the Necrontyr’s reaction was along the lines of “What the fuck is wrong with you?”The War in Heaven may have started out with both races considering themselves having the moral high ground, but then they started crossing lines and breaking their own moral codes and it was downhill from there.
>>52563783 (cont.)After watching a bunch of videos of Mass Effect 3, it made me realize that Trazyn is effectively the inverse of Javik. Instead of being horrified that the galaxy is so different from what he remembers, he's delighted because it means everything is new again and he gets to relearn galactic history and culture all over again.To continue with the “Necrons = Victorian England, Imperium = 1600’s Europe” analogy, Trazyn seems kind of like an old British anthropologist (or a xenologist in this case), and the reason he’s giving the Silent King the two finger salute is he thinks its stupid to exterminate his objects of study for no good reason. At the same time, he’s not siding with the Imperium because “he’s not going to take orders from the bloody primitives”.Not sure how well I got it across, but because the Old Ones aren’t controlling everything, it’s possible for more species to carve out their own niches and more cultural diversity to exist in the galaxy, which is like heaven for a xenologist. Deliberately mentioned because the orks, tyranids, and the like, because it’s not just the Imperium in the galaxy, no matter how much the Imperium would like to believe it’s so, and it fits Trazyn’s position as a third-party observer who’s not swept up in the Imperium’s grandeur.
>>52558001>>52558074>>52558131>>52558228Agree with >>52561555, three Dark Ages of Technology and two Ages of Strife seem a bit ridiculous. The reason the Age of Strife happened was that the Iron Minds were looking into the Warp during the making of Slaanesh, which was a galaxy-wide event that caused human society to collapse on a basic level because 90% of the A.I.s (and all the high-powered ones) went insane. Humanity's fall is directly linked to Slaanesh's birth.You'd need a galaxy-level event like that or a major galactic war to knock humans back that hard. Anything else and there would be survivors outside who would just keep on doing the same.Gellar Field would have to be invented shortly after warp drive. Space travel would be impossible otherwise even without Slaanesh. Maybe Navigators, though I wonder if A.I.s could do it since they could look through the warp without going crazy prior to the Age of Strife.Should Men of Gold be earlier?Last record of Brain Boyz would have been way before M25. In canon Eldar mention that a long time ago, long before even the fall, the great Eldar empire went to war with Orks that surpasses the Beast in strength and kunnin' (which screams Brain Boyz).The Old Ones uplifted the Eldar. I don't know if they created the Orks from scratch or used a base template, especially since in vanilla it has been suggested Snotlings of all things are the original orkoid.
>>52559953I got more to write, but my comp went and died. I'll pick up where I left off after I find a replacement that doesn't have freaking swipe. >>52561555Amusingly, that was in the original timeline. I can edit it out later. As it was, I started writing so that we have a baseline to work from. I'm very open to all changes.Also, with the elder/ human contact, I added that because I always thought it weird that two galactic empires never had recorded contact with each other. So I threw in some mentions. Those can be removed. After this, we get to the time period where there is substantial writing about Terry's unification. So that will be a lot denser and slower coming.
>>52564038 (cont.)I always liked the idea that the Age of Strife was humanity's vanilla Tau moment. We thought that everything was going to work out, that the Warp was completely safe, etc. For a while it seemed to work, the Iron Minds and humans were getting along, humanity was united in a single empire, we had decent relationships with many of the neighbors (the Eldar at this time were cloistered away or running from the old Eldar Empire). And then it all came crashing down because we were too naive and not paranoid enough to realize that having supercomputers stare into the abyss is a bad thing, and none of our alien allies could help because they all got the full on Mad Max treatment from the birth of Slaanesh as well.
>>52564038Only problem is, Slaanesh's ascension is supposed to happen in M30, after Terra is united. I'd be fine moving up the fall of the elder, but for the first draft I was veering closer to 40k's timeline.
>>52564065There apparently were records of the Old Eldar Empire and the Great and Bountiful Human Empire going to war over resources in canon. Presumably they didn't amount to much.>Amusingly, that was in the original timeline.Seriously? Do you have a reference? I really want to see this for myself (not saying I don't believe you, it would be far from the silliest thing in 40k).Alternatively, doesn't the Dark Age of Technology in canon refer to the fact that the period is poorly known despite being humanity's golden age (and in the grimdark!Imperium, mankind's "naivete" in relying on technology and artificial intelligence because they weren't doing things the AdMech way).
>>52564211I think it was watching the beginning of Slaanesh's birth. Like the Iron Minds opened the metaphorical door into the Warp and saw people doing the most depraved shit imaginable and it drove them insane. It's probably for the best that they weren't there for the actual birth cry.Wait, would this mean Slaanesh isn't around for the entire Unification? This might cause problems, since we have Vulkan fighting Dark Eldar and Ursh worshipping the four gods of the heavenly winds. And maybe like 200 years between Bel-Shammon meeting Colchis and settling before the Imperium arrives.
>>52564211>>52564400Wait what? I always thought Slaanesh's birth and the Fall of the Eldar coincided with humanity's Age of Strife in M25, since wasn't Slaanesh's birth what caused the rampant psyker mutations and warp storms that tore about the human empire?
>>52564528That's what I thought as well, and is my preferred version.
>>52552764As stated here >>52504774, work has been very busy and is leaving little time for writing. Will try to write tomorrow?Though you'd think that after all the times I totally missed my schedule estimates when writing the Sangy fluff that I would stop pulling these wild guesses out of my ass.
>>52564265http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/TimelineSorry about the delay. I'm open to editing out the separate ages... Although I do kind of like the two ages of strife as a " then it got worse " kind of thing with an out of context problem hitting.>>52564577So, move up Slaanesh's birth to M25? Cab do.
>>52564646Thing is, right now we have the birth of Slaanesh (either directly or the horrible warp storms that preceeded it) as the cause of the Age of Strife. Men of Gold and the A.I.s behind the Men of Iron were psychically powerful enough to see the things that should not be but were naive enough to not know that they really shouldn't be looking at it.It could have been just that humans on non-import dependent worlds were like "Pshaw, this warp storm will just blow over. We can survive on our own. Right Men of Gold and Men of Iron?""...running Skynet.exe"
>>52564896>>Pshaw, this warp storm will just blow over. We can survive on our own. Right Men of Gold and Men of Iron?>Certainly dear citizen stone, the Iron Minds can sustain our estates indefinitely.>Also, please join your fellows and the citizens gold to the grand boudoir>New sights captured by the orbital observatories have inspired the system governor mind to embark on a great undertaking
Maybe the void dragon could be why the iron minds rebelled?
>>52566001Void Dragon's friendly-ish. Unless he's undergone a dramatic personality shift in the last twenty thousand years, no.
>>52566001Already established it was Chaos. This y had to trawl the Deep Warp for soul stuff to make the souls for the Men of Gold. They were at ground zero when shit went bad basically.And because Men of Gold were made of what they trawled, were in communion with the Iron Minds and were all psychically linked it went bad for them as well.
What major xeno races are there?Eldar (seem well detailed already)orks ( could use a little more love)Kroot ( need work?)Tau ( need work?)Tyranids ( seem okay) Squats ( need w
>>52570672Depends on what you mean by major xenos races. If you're counting kroot and squats we have kinebrach and Watchers in the Dark.
>>52571357And the Tarellians.Also Squats aren't xenos
>>52571965Had a few ideas for the Tarellians in addition to what has already been written. Will try to post them when at a decent computer.
>>52572437just make sure they try to get along with Tau on a basis of similar history, with underwhelming results at best
>>52572553How are their histories similar?
>>52566331He was always like that from what we have written 2 or 3 threads ago. He was the first to raise his fist (or equivalent) in anger at his fellow C'tan due to thier treatment of their subjects and forcing them to undergo biotransference. They gave him a savage beating and buried what was left under Mars.Back in the Necron vs Old One war he was on sort of speaking terms with Vaul due to similar interests. It an odd friendship and he was never sure if Vaul was actually friends with him or just tolerating him.When The Dragon gets off of Mars and finds out what happened to his old blacksmith friend the Imperium will definitely have him on their side in the war against Chaos. This in itself might cause problems with the Necrons on the Imperium's side and the eldar. And the tech-priests will probably have a civil war over this. And the Dragon, although maybe not actually hostile in nature, might not be all that safe to be around.
Come to think of it, since the Avatar of Isha is up and walking around, we haven't written a lot about Isha. It'd be interesting to get her perspective on the Eldar Empire and its fall.
>>52576594I'm of the opinion that it would be grim as fuck from her point of view, at least towards the end of the Eldar Empire.Being bound to the warp as she was she would have been unable to do anything about the depravities and atrocities committed by her own children. Children that she still loved. She would have wanted to guide them back to sanity and heal them because she was their mother and healing is also her thing.But they wouldn't listen to her pleading and begging and tears.Then shit got way too real.Time doesn't work right in the warp. Sometimes centuries can fly by like a long Sunday afternoon and sometimes a few moments can drag to millennium.The years and years spent in the rape cellar of Nurgle's mansion was the sort of time that the movement of continental drift is measured in to Isha and none of it was pleasant.Any love she had for her wayward children would have died when she was rescued, but not whilst she was in captivity.The few eldar so in Nurgle's favour that they were permitted to visit the All-Mother never mentioned that they had uncorrupted kin still living. In her captivity she thought that those that would not serve had been devoured. That only Chaos and Dark Eldar remained. And they let her believe that for, from her measure of time, possibly millions of years.Then the Raiding Party turn up and her eyes were opened.For all that that moment would have been joyous she would also have had her heart hardened. The Chaos and Dark Eldar are children of hers no longer, they actually managed to make their own All-Mother despise them and wish that they had never been.But it is a happyish ending. She has some of her children back, she is free and she has found a new husband and there is hope.
>>52576594Also keep in mind that Ceggers is almost if not as old as she is and he never got kidnapped so has more continuity of vision.He was there for the entire build up to The Fall and while it can't be said that he wasn't nose deep in a hyper-cocaine and balls deep in whores for some of the initial build up he and most of his followers knew when to say no.Did he have anything to do with the Raid on the Mansion? Eldrad learned that Isha was still alive from the Harlequins but if he had a hand in it he isn't saying. But then he wouldn't say if someone asked him just because they asked.
>>52572437>>52572553I started getting some of these ideas when someone in an old thread asked if there were lizardmen in 40k. Given that in Lizardmen culture is heavily inspired by several Native American cultures, and the Tarellians are essentially their 40k counterparts (the Tarellians are often called Dog Soldiers, for god’s sake), I thought we could build on that angle. Originally, I was thinking that like in Warhammer Fantasy, the Tarellians have some sort of connection to the Old Ones. Either distant descendants who have developed sentience again All Tomorrows style or another species the Old Ones had a hand in like the Eldar or Orks, only native to the Old Ones’ homeworld. The Tarellians know nothing about the accomplishments of their ancestors or their lost technology, much like it was once thought the modern descendants of the Mississipian Mound Builders were not aware that their ancestors had built the mounds they lived around (though in reality the truth is a bit different). Of course, this being 40k, “loss of technology” means being reduced from being a near god-like species to merely a star-faring one.However, because we’ve established the Old Ones are distinctly amphibian and/or semi-aquatic, I don’t think this would work. I think it also ties too many species to the War in Heaven, rather than having new species arise post-War in Heaven.
>>52578677When the Tarellians spread out from their homeworld, they developed a number of highly divergent cultures on the planets they lived on. Tarellians also range wildly in body size based on planet, ranging from Tau-sized to slightly taller than a baseline human. Even during their most unified periods, Tarellian culture and social norms could vary wildly depending on the planet. Hence the Tarellian Confederacy, instead of the Tarellian Republic or the Tarellian Empire. Nevertheless, there are enough cultural similarities between them that the Tarellan cultures see themselves as distinctly Tarellian, much like the different Greek or Mesoamerican city-states saw themselves as a distinct cultural unit.Of course, it’s entirely possible that there are many different groups of lizardmen out there in the galaxy, of which the Tarellians are but the best known because they developed the most extensive interstellar network. The Imperium, lacking imagination, might refer to the species as a whole as Tarellians even though the term only really applies to the Tarellian Neo-Confederacy.Like some groups of Native Americans (Comanche, Sioux), Tarellians are well known for their mobility in war, able to march hundreds of miles from base camp in order to strike. The difference is that the Native American tribes did this through the use of horses. The Tarellians do this on foot. Tarellians originally evolved in an arid environment where they had to keep pace over shifting sand dunes and the uneven terrains of arroyos in extreme heat. Marching through a relative flat environment in balmy weather is a literal walk in the park for them. The Tarellians don’t really have riding cavalry, though they do domesticate heavier draft animals.
>>52578697The other thing Tarellians are well known for is tracking ability. Tarellians are some of the best trackers in the Imperium. In contrast to humans, Eldar, Tau, and many of the other races of the Imperium, whose sense of smell is rather lacking, the Tarellian sense of smell is amazing, like some dinosaurs. Their eyesight is also pretty good, being adapted to track movement and capable of seeing in a slightly higher range of colors than humans. Their sense of hearing is about average, though.Tarellians are sometimes referred to as dog soldiers because between their dinosaur-like snout and the soft frills at the back of their head, they kind of look a bit dog-ish. Tarellian are capable of flaring out like the frills of a frilled lizard and serve as emotional indicators, like facial expressions in humans.Tarellians are mostly organized into hunter packs of a dozen or so individuals led by a commanding officer. The hunter packs can function autonomously (and are the “unit” of Tarellian infantry), but the commanding officer is part of a pack of about a dozen individuals commanded by a higher-ranking officer, and so on. I was thinking that they mostly used disruptor weapons based on old weather control technology like in the /tg/ homebrewed fluff.I’m not entirely sure why the Tarellians dislike the Imperium so much. In canon I get it because the Imperium virus-bombed their worlds, but here they come off as distinctly anti-authoritarian, even compared to people like the Tau. Maybe I’m reading too much into the already written Tarellian fluff, and there are plenty of Tarellians who are decent people and like individual humans and Eldar but just resent the Imperium trying to order them around as opposed to treating them like a member state. People just think the Tarellians are grumpy because that’s a stereotype.I do like the idea that the Tarellians get along well with the Tau because they respect the Tau’s resistance to joining the Imperium.
>>52578722“Have you ever seen a Tarellian force move? I mean really, honestly move? The Tarellians are a desert-adapted species, who before they developed sedentary civilization had to be able to move kilometers each day, over poorly solidified sandy substrate, in extreme heat. Anything below 40 degrees Celsius is downright balmy to them.In battle, on your average civilized planet, a sufficiently motivated Tarellian force is capable of travelling over a hundred kilometers a day. On foot. You want to know why the Tarellian Confederacy never seemed to have much in the way of mounted cavalry? This is why. That’s the reason the Imperium lost the first few battles in the Tarellian war. We’d never seen infantry move so fast without air support before. One moment you’re fine and the next that force you thought was tied up on the opposite front is right in your face ripping into your flanks.That brings us to the second point, tracking. The Tarellians are some of the best trackers in the galaxy. Their sense of smell is better than any human, Eldar, or almost any of the other races in the Imperium. Their sight is adapted to follow a running target. The Arbites and the Vanus may be some of the galaxy’s best trackers if your target’s in a Hive World, but if they try to hide in the wilderness there are few better hunter-killers than a Tarellian hunter pack.So for God’s sake, don’t piss off the Tarellians to the point they come after you. Because they’ll chase you to the end of the galaxy.”- General Hazan, informing an inexperienced young lieutenant why it’s a good idea to be nice to the Tarellians, circa M38.
Have we got anything about the Inquisition organization - the higher echelons, I mean. The High Lord Inquisitor (like Fyodor and all that.)As the Inq here is quite a lot more reasonable, I could see them having an actually working system to vote on a High Lord every 500 years (1k is too much?) Or until the guy/gal dies, for multiple reasons.And every one rues the day the Hive Fleet reaches this galaxy, for that is the day their final plan will be activated.The GK-Plan. Unlock the Ganymedes vault and give Boaz the High Lord position.
>>52580230>Give Captain Ahab the keys to the Galactic SCP FoundationOh this is going to be fun.>As the Inq here is quite a lot more reasonable, I could see them having an actually working system to vote on a High Lord every 500 years (1k is too much?) Or until the guy/gal dies, for multiple reasons.I could easily see the Inquisition doing an vanilla!Iron Hands kind of thing (especially since the Iron Hands are more AdMech-y in this timeline). Whoever gets voted into High Lord position is the one who has the most experience in the Imperium's current crisis of note. If Chaos is the main problem an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor gets in. If it's tyranids an Ordo Xenos. And so on and so forth. High Lords get the person who has the best knowledge of the threat giving them their opinion.Or maybe not. In canon the reason the Ordos were split off in the first place is they nearly had a civil war over whether Chaos or Xenos were a bigger threat.
>>52577127>Being bound to the warp as she was she would have been unable to do anything about the depravities and atrocities committed by her own children.That could have been another factor in her taking a more active stance in things post-fall. Asuryan told her that she wasn't allowed to interfere with the mortal world, even if it was to smack the Eldar back to sanity.Now Asuryan is dead. This is what his rules got him. Now it is just Isha, Cegorach, and Khaine. Now they make the rules.>>52577960That's something else we should probably mess with in the timeline. In canon the Harlequins didn't even exist until M33 (which didn't stop them from showing up during the War of the Beast, but GW can't seem to keep track of their own timeline). I would say move up Cegorach putting out the clown signal to the Great Crusade era or before. Either that or the Harlequins were formed in the wake of the Raid, much like the Phoenix Lords.>>52575745Believe it or not, it was actually way back in thread 9b. All the way back in December.Void Dragon was actually all in favor of biotransference, it's just that in his typical Autochthon-esque way he didn't understand that souls were a thing and that quality of life was greatly improved when you left them in. Ceggers pointed this out to him and he realized he dun fucked up.
>>52581498Why am I already imagining that? Him getting access to the Vault...A Boaz 2000% Ahab Kryptman in a gigantic god-like bio-mechanoid Titan, driven forward by his unsurmountable REEEEEEEAAAAAAAAGGGGEEEEEEE!!! as he duked it out once and for all with the Hivemind on top of the Ganymedes-front... Tis gonna be gud.
>>52578778>>52578722>>52578697>>52578677It's good, very good.Also the pack mentality and oddly independence promoting hierarchy meshes well with what's already written.They only settle worlds they can farm on so each world is independent and can survive isolated indefinitely.Each officer has a measure of land on their world and civilians to man it. Higher officers have a measure of land and jurisdiction over lower officers and some limited say in what they do with their land.They have no real clear cut distinction between civilian and military. They don't react well to outsiders having even theoretical dominance over them, hence their dislike of the Imperium.They would never have joined the Imperium were it not for the Nids taking out most of their core worlds and it being join or die time.
>>52581753I don't think anyone would be so foolish as to give Kryptman the keys to the Ganymede Vaults.
>>52453862>Malal ceased to be a god, and became a vizier of Khorne. After the C'tan self destructed Khorn named himself blood king of the galaxy,This is fucking terrible, you could get a job with GW it's so bad.
>>52589562I don't think we had Malal becoming a vizier of Khorne. It's more Malal got the crap beaten out of him when Khorne rose to power and has been a shadow of himself. Khorne likes to claim that Malal is his vizier, or that Malal is just a fragment of Khaine that was corrupted by Khorne, which just pisses Malal off further.Also thread needs archiving.
>>52589562BLOOD KING OF THE GALAXY
>>52589562as the one who wrote that, I was honestly trying to capture the idiotic BLOODSKULL obsession that has become typical of Khorne. If this claim/title ever comes up in interactions between the gods' faithful it would be met with exasperation and groans from the other three sects. Only khornates would really care for the title, and even they usually drop the "blood" part, everyone else would probably use it as a mockery. If a Khornate wanders into Slaaneshi territory somewhere in Shaa-Dome and gets murderfucked, chances are BLOOD KING OF THE GALAXY will be written over the body.
>>52590108Archived.And for what it's worth Khorne might see Malal as some sort of vizier. He asks what shit should be done and Malal flies into a murderous rage, Khorne likes this advise.Also he makes a great mettle tester for promoting lesser deamons into greater deamons. If you can survive 3 rounds with Malal you get a promotion. If you don't survive then the question resolves itself.The Khaine corrupted chunks are a completely different thing that has nothing to do with Malal other than Malal once tried to possess one with the intention of driving it all the way to the materium to escape captivity. Khorne found out and laughed and laughed and laughed whilst savagely beating Malal again. The corrupted Khine shards do sort of look like Malal and are a constant reminder of his failed one last shot at getting free.
>>52590992You just making stuff up as you go or you are OP?In any case can you give me a rundown of all relevant factions?
>>52591112We are all just making stuff up. I was last thread's OP, and a few others before that.Factions. Keep in mind that some of them overlap with others and where one ends and another starts is often a sliding scale.>ImperiumImperium properMechanicumOther human survivor civilizationsCraftworldersExoditesHarlequinsTau Empireother minor xenos>ChaosChaos EldarFallen MarinesLegions of xeno and humansOblitorators and techno abominationsDeamons of all flavors and their godsWeirder shit>Dark EldarDark CitySatellite and Twilight Cities>OrksThe ever shifting allegiances of orkdomBrain Boyz and their boyzBug BoyzBig Mekz and their CyborkzChaos Boyz>NecronsSilent King and his rising KingdomRenegadesC'tan and their croniesVampires and their thralls
>>52591339thx>We are all just making stuff up.GW can fuck W40k lore with their Age of Sig...Emperor i mean, so i don't see why not.Let me give a shot, simple stuff, couple of questions. Let the autism flow...-Get rid of Tau, with completely alternate history this faction would be to small to be relevant and might not exist at all. If you can add factions, so can you remove ones that don't fit.-What sort of 'being' the Imperium is now? No Inquisition, no Emperor worship and no Chapters. So presumably, legal system is completely different? Right?-Where my Tyranids boys at?>Vampires and their thralls-U W0T M8?
>>52591550>VampiresC'tan necrodermis flowing through the bodies of the living like silver blood.Making them more than human whilst stripping them of their humanity. Over time they can become more monstrous.>TauWe've already changed the Tau so that they fit in the setting. Their history is very much different and considerably longer with Skynet rebellions, gene-stealers, Dark Eldar raids, a civil war and Tyranids.>TyranidsA seemingly endless tsunami of bugs that first started to land in the galaxy 4,000 years ago and never really stopped. And as of 999M41 the horrible suspicion that they were vanguard fleets and those apocalyptic wars were skirmishes is realized. The Main Hive Fleet is here.>ImperiumIt's a hands off system of "don't rock the boat and pay your taxes". There are Chapters, each Legion fragmented in their own way over time for practical reasons. Emperor is venerated but not outright worshiped. There is an Inquisition, it is less trigger happy than it's Vanilla counterpart and tries to impose some measure of Justice when practical. Legal systems are local affairs and so long as boat remains unrocked no fucks are given.It's all in here in moar detail.https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Nobledark_Imperium
>>52591550Hey anon - all the stuff you've thrown out has already been dealt with one way or another this is our 20th(?) thread, in various things on the Nobledark 1d4 page(s). Since it's still a bit of a clusterfuck, I can probably manage a Q&A here, starting with what you've already posted.Tau>They're a kinda semi-autonomous state (protectorate?) within the Imperium here; they still developed freakily quickly (maybe even more so than Vanilla 40k), but after an AI uprising and a civil war, they were pretty hamstrung, and the biggest fragment of the Empire joined the Imperium when they realised that both sides had bigger enemies than one another.>Ironically, the Farsight Enclaves are the last holdouts of vanilla Tau, in terms of governance and independence.>We haven't really added factions so much as switched them around, since the absence of a HH is probably the biggest difference here.Imperium>Inquisition is still a thing>Emperor worship is still a thing, even though Oscar had an imperial decree that basically said "look can u pls not">Legions still broke up into chapters - however, instead of Girlyman's Bible, it was a more gradual thing that happened as the Primarchs began to die off >Sometimes there were leadership struggles within the legion, but mostly it was just that nobody saw themselves as good enough to replace their Primarch, but either way they've all split by M41'nids>We moved forward their arrival a few centuries for greater threat>By the end of M41 the main body of the hive fleet (not just tendrils) is beginning to make galaxyfall>The entire eastern fringe (especially Tau) now need new pants>Boaz Kryptman has had an unholy obsession with killing 'nids ever since they wiped out his homeworld (yes, Tyran) that would make Ahab look like a rank amateur. These days, he's frozen and thawed whenever bugs need stomping, although even stasis and rejuvenant drugs are reaching their limits.>Vampirespic related
>>52591846Didn't post pic, please excuse me while I kms
>>52591550the Tau are a imperial member state on the eastern fringe, notable in that its the most prominent "new" civilization, young aliens not derived from venerable Necrotyr, Eldar, Ork, or even relatively ancient humanity like the case of may abhuman member civilizations. Coming out of old night the Tau were making their first steps, while the human-craftworld alliance was rebuilding at some level. The Tau were an inconsequential case-study in imperial diplomacy until becoming the main staging area for the war against the hive fleets, which arrive a good few millennia earlier. These massive bughunts see the tau a bit inflated in attention relative to other minor members, but no more than cadians, for example.>No Inquisition, no Emperor worship and no Chapters. So presumably, legal system is completely different? Right?There is still an inquisition, with roughly the same powers and aims, but the ordo Xenos is more MIB, the ordo Malleus has Magnus descended mages colleges to utilize, and the ordo hereticus is instead the ordo securitas, which is complex so read the 1d4chan page. There are space marine chapters, they're pretty similar, but localized reasonable marines or specialist multi-generation task forces are common. The legal system answers to the emperor, but he delegates a lot and tends towards enlightened despotism, think alexander, napoleon, etc.>Where my Tyranids boys atKryptman, the last survivor of the sleepy little agriworld Tyran is probably in cryo-sleep, headed to do something absolutely horrible to the void-bug scum that ate his home.>Vampires and their thrallssee>>52529289
>>52591912It was previously mentioned that Inquisitor Boaz "I'll chase those bastards into Perdition's Flames!" Kryptman is very much active and awake. At the strike of midnight on the last day of 999M41 he is up to his armpits in a captured and still alive, conscious, strapped down and dismembered incarnation of the Swarm Lord. He owes the Harlequins a big favour for bring him this most wonderful specimen. He's going to spend days, weeks maybe even months taking this creature apart one tiny piece at a time to figure out exactly what makes it work. It will be conscious through out this time because he needs the brain wave patterns. Also he needs to hear it in pain but that's just for his sake and he's man enough to admit it.It was also mentioned that he is really fucking old by this point in his life and not too healthy either. He is dying, not to put it too softly and he knows it. How long has he got left? Who knows. He might not wake up tomorrow or the ever so skilled doctors in the Inquisition might be able to make him linger on for another 10 years. Either way another trip in the cryo-bed will almost certainly kill him. This war will be his last.His new big ambition, when he's learned all he can from the Swarm Lord (including what it tastes like when cooked) is to capture a Norn-Queen.
>>52592374Does he still have a tiny book strapped to his forehead?
>>52592479I've just realized that this is one of the few official GW pictures of him, the other has him with a hood on and his head bar chin hidden.And I vaguely recognize the name Boaz, like I've heard it before but can't remember where. One google later and it's an old Hebrew name mentioned in the Old Testament as Ruth's (of the Book of Ruth) husband.In the 1d4chan in the Notes page under the Religion section it appears that Yechudism is a descendant faith/sect of Judaism.I think I smell the stink of malcadorfag on this one. Is this another one of your Oscar, the Man of Gold """jokes"""?I'm only mad it's take me 2 months for the penny to drop.
HEAR YE, HEAR YETODAY I HAVE MANAGED TO MAKE AN ANTHROPOMORPHIC DICK. WE SHALL DISCUSS MAGIC LATER.>THUNDERCLAPI BEGIN THE SESSION!
>>52592980Put on th' hood, hold yur 'ands behind you whilst I cuff 'em, get in the fucking van and keep your gob shut.
>>52591339None of the C'tan, the vampires, or the renegade Necrons get along with the Necron Star Empire. Each are kind of off on their own, with the possible exception of some kind of link between the various vampire types and their sire.Also Orks and Chaos tend to ally more frequently than one would think. They're not part of the same faction, but they tend to work together better than, say, Imperials and Star Empire Necrons or Necrons and Chaos.>We are all just making stuff up. I was last thread's OP, and a few others before that.Should probably clarify. We are making stuff up, but we try to make sure it fits with what we have already and sounds okay with people in general. Stuff has changed, but that's usually rare.
The Inquisition appears, to most outsiders, to be another bureaucracy. A comedian known for the accuracy of his (often foul-mouthed) social and political commentary had it right though: "The Inquisition isn't a bureaucracy. It's a research collective with law enforcement powers, and really scary guns. I'll let my taxes pay them, I don't want my dick melted off by some cultist."
>>52592479I think he wears some kind of helmet made from a tyranid skull.>>52592855I think it was mentioned somewhere that Katholianism and Yechudism are great, great, great granddescendants of one of the Abrahamic religions, with absorbed traditions from things like Zoroastrianism and Buddhism.>>52590933I think all of the Chaos Gods say bullshit like this. Way back in one of the old threads it was mentioned that Slaanesh claims that it ate one of the Men of Gold back during the chaotic days right after Slaanesh's birth. Nobody believes it.
>>52591846This is, technically, our 25th thread, counting the ones that are labelled something like 9b or something. Going by number it is something like 22.
>>52593380>Khorne makes absurd claims about dubious past conquests, for which it takes credit>Tzeentch says everything is going exactly according to plan, even when its horribly outwitted>Slaanesh tries to get people to believe its perverted fantasies really happened, or will>Nurgle insists he wasn't changed when he took Isha, and definitely didn't change when she left, and is perfectly happy with how things worked out
>>52593421Jesus fuck that's depressing.And I still haven't done anything worthy of being a namefag
>>52593497Once this is """done""" I might DM a setting based on this.
>>52593484>Nurgle Fuck, sounds like one of my friends.
>>52592855>>52593380I wrote the Yechudite (and some of the Katholian) fluff, and I'm surprised at this. But yes, the Katholians and Yechudites are sort of descendants of a semi-Abrahamic religion, in that the same style of religion has been reinvented again and again throughout human history, with, as you said, absorbed elements from Zoroastrianism and Bhuddism. The primary difference is that the Yechudites have more rituals as they originally had a Shinto style native religion. So they're more cousins from neighboring regions of AoS Terra, both pulling from a shared source, with adaptations from local native beliefs.Lot's of parallels to Judaism and Catholicism, but no real provable links of ancestry.
>>52593497Consider that I name-fagged myself so that people knew who to yell at for particular writings. You organize this shit, you earned your fag-tag.
>>52593611>>52593380So this isn't another malcadorfag Man of Gold jokes?It is in fact all coincidental.
>>52593698Yes, it's all coincidental.Unless we think it's funnier to say it's not.
any more ideas on the subject of Cthonia in the imperial era
>>52593698>>52592855Maybe my biblical knowledge is lacking, but I'm not sure I'm getting the Boaz joke/pun. Anyone care to enlighten me?
>>52599057I'm pretty sure he's one of the kings of Israel/Judah who was deposed in the sequence of Judges. That's where 90% of obscure biblical names come from.
What does Macha/Isha look like in this AU?
but more eldar-ish
>>52599933I like it. It's regal but beautiful.And this is Isha, you know she isn't wearing anything under the dress and she still manages to intimidate all of the High Lords of the Imperium
>>52600756>you know she isn't wearing anything under the dress and she still manages to intimidate all of the High Lords of the Imperiumslightly erected and this is your fault anon
>>52601240When Isha first attained sapience back in the pre-uplifted eldar days the small gods and their children wore either animal skins, leaves or nothing at all depending on the weather and they were at least content if not actually happy.Then the War in Heaven found them and they were uplifted by beings that seemed like gods themselves and made more in every regard. Their age of innocence was over and they wore battle plate and camouflage often covered with the smoking blood of the fallen.Of all the eldar gods Isha is still the closest to what she started as, the closest to innocent. Although considering the other 2 survivors that's not really saying much.Back in the old days and even up to The Fall she was still a hippie unconditional love flower child all sweetness and sunshine. An eternity of torture and abuse alter and she actually turned out far less changed than many would suspect.Now she still wears a crown of flowers but her heart is somewhat hardened and she will kill her fallen children with not a tear shed.Point is that nakedness is not sinful to her, nor is going commando done for giddy little thrills, she's a primeval creature.
>>52587966HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahAHGAHAHAHHAHAHAHAGHKGUKHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Inquisitor Jaq Draco is a senior member of the Overseer Committee of the Ganymede Vaults.
>>52601543Although the justification makes sense in that she is a millions of years old Neolithic proto-eldar deity steeped in tradition and wants to wear the closest she can get to what she feels comfortable in it is still a boner summoner.I'm guessing that after she turned up almost naked to the first few council meetings and the fuss it caused the dress and nothing else was a compromise she was willing to accept.
>>52602955>not ClefShit taste in senior staff desu
>>52604268Jaq Draco is this AUs version of Dr Bright.It has never been stated that he is on the Oversight Committee. It's possible he was briefly promoted for the huge collection of things he brought in because of his freakish ability to navigate the webway.He was almost certainly demoted swiftly back out of the big office.Possibly there is a Clef senior member of the Administratum representative.
>>52604624Clef would be daemon breaker that went legit. Also, the Ganymede vaults would get all sort of meddling from higher up, mostly from illuminati, occasionally from the Hydra, but both groups are both too secret to actually run the place.
>>52604038Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was actually mentioned in canon that Isha did wear clothes, but that they had all since rotted off due to her captivity in Nurgle's garden. So I assume she did start wearing clothes before the fall, though I assume her preferred clothes are much simpler and more revealing than one would expect, simple robes or tunics as befits a Neolithic fertility goddess as opposed to the ridiculous bling of war of the modern era.That actually raises the question of what the relationship is between the Eldar deities in the first place. I know the Eldar always had their deities, but I was under the impression that it was the Old Ones who taught them how to take their gods and actually manifest them. Like how in fiction you always seem to get god-like A.I.s named and themed after ancient pantheons.But the real question is, are the Eldar Gods all "siblings", or is there some kind of familial hierarchy? You seem to have a situation like the Greek Gods where you have an older-acting generation of immortals (Asuryan, Khaine, Morai-Heg) that are more primeval, similar to Zeus, Poseidon, Hera, and Hades, and then a group of younger-acting, "closer to mortals" gods (Lileath, Isha, Kurnous) like Athena, Aphrodite, Apollo, and the like (though if you know anything about the clusterfuck that is Aphrodite's origin the distinction isn't so clear.Though isn't Lileath Isha's daughter, and married to Asuryan? This makes my head hurt.
>>52605590The Ganymede Vaults are one of the things that the high ranking eldar who know about it refuse to actually believe at first.Humanity collected and piled in one place all of the most exotically dangerous and inexplicable shit in the known universe and entrusted it to the most insane people possible.No other people in the galaxy would have Legienstrasse's cell in the same facility or even the same stellar system as ████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████ and not expect something to go wrong.Although given that the only option would be to hire the borderline bonkers as no totally sane man would ever take the job.
>>52606450>No other people in the galaxyits a good thing Trayzn isn't people
>>52606617Not to the eldar he isn't. He's a clockwork facsimile of something dead and gone and good riddance to it. Now it's just a matter of convincing the Imperium not to trust the thing made in his image.
>>52606666Says the people who take the minds of their ancestors and shove them in golems made of the same programmable matter that they make everything else out of. Why does that sound familiar. OH WAIT!Also nice trips Mephet'ran.
>>52606274I would have it where Asuryan is the king of t heir gods.The big 3 under him being Isha, Kurnous and Khine.Under them the lesser gods. Ceggers was probably the strongest of the lessers, or at least cunning enough to make up for his weaknesses better.What was Asuryan? Certainly he was bigger and stronger than the others. Possibly stronger than the others combined to impose his will upon them. He enforced the great divide on the gods that made it so that they couldn't walk among the mortals, thus preventing damage to reality in god on god violence. But he also felt sorry for Isha and let her contact her children in violation of his own law. Was it out of love?If he was the god of preservation that loved Isha and was a great deal bigger, stronger and older than the other eldar gods then it's very possible that Asuryan was in fact Nurgle before the War in Heaven made him monstrous.Isha and Kurnous were the most important to the proto-eldar as they represented what was needed to survive in their primitive state. Khine came next and slightly younger as their god of conflict. It's worth noting that the pre-uplifted eldar had a murder god rather than a war god. The Old Ones made them into soldiers but before that they had no grasp of the concept of wide scale killing. Asuryan was always there, right from the start.Maybe Isha did hold some small affection for Asuryan/Nurgle in those days, but she truly and honestly loved Kurnous. Asuryan as the god of shit being permanent could wait. He could wait and wait and wait. She would come to him in time, and he was Asuryan. He was an immortal even compared to other immortals, unchanging in his love for her until the stars grow cold and all love dies and he would still be there for her.
>>52607629Nurgle already had a backstory where he started off as a preserver, but way back in the realm of souls heyday with Tzeentch and Malal, and what remains of Asuryan it the 'Prince' in "Prince of Pleasure". The gods that were eaten/played with by Slaanesh could be said to have fallen with the empire. Those that didn't were Cegorach, Isha, and Khaine, and Khaine is smashed and a good ways overtaken by non-slaaneshi crones. Making Asuryan Nurgle really takes away from their survival, the death of the eldar pantheon, the birth of slaanesh as the eldar spawned chaos god, and Nurgle's own existence as a faction.
>>52607629Eventually Slaanesh is born. In part this was because he never removed the divide between the mortal eldar and their gods so the eldar gods couldn't go down and slap some sense into them when they started to slip down the slope into the pit of drug fueled rape-murder orgy.Kurnous dies along with the others, most of the eldar die or worse and Nurgle takes Isha to his mansion where she will be safe. Forever.But even with no alternative she does not love him. She is mourning the loss of her husband and her children.And yes she does blame Nurgle for stopping them preventing the fall from happening. What ever affections she had for him are long since gone. During the war in heaven he started to become awful. His preserved and beautiful realm becoming a mountain of middens and ever decaying refuse and he just slumped further and further into stagnation since then.Reasoning that she will change her mind eventually he kept her imprisoned. Sometimes he would let Nurglite Eldar come to visit her and tell her how awesome he is and he would lavish upon her his unwanted affections.Then some golden bastard kicked his door down when he wasn't looking and ran off with her.Millions of years in the planning and then Oscar, Steward of the Empty Throne gets his crusade on.>>52607734Or it shows how far shit has fucked up. Also Asuryan would have to have been incredibly powerful to build that wall and was in Vanilla older than the rest of the pantheon. And if he was older than Isha he is a lot older than her children (the eldar). Asuryan can't be an eldar spawned god.
>>52607780It still really throws a wrench into all of the existing pantheon stuff, and does more to make stuff self referential and closed than varied and open
>>52608316Alright I see the point. I'll not put it in the 1d4chan page.
>>52608316Seconded (Or perhaps thirded, if we count >>52607734). Makes everything too self-referential.Also corrupted Asuryan would resemble Tzeentch more than Nurgle. Asuryan is supposed to be the long-term plotter among the Eldar Gods. And he likes birds.Though I like the point that the Eldar had a murder god, but not a war god, and that really shows when the Old Ones started messing with the proto-Eldar. I mean, maybe Khaine was also a bit of a war god in the sense of tribal warfare, like the Greeks kicking the shit out of Troy (e.g., Ares), but big-time war was a real expansion of his portfolio.
>>52609490Khaine was the proto-Eldar of murder before the Old One uplifted them to become Eldar. Since then, Khaine was replaced with Khaine, the god of war who filled in the spot for the forgotten god of murder. They are two different gods with widely contrasting rituals and views. The bloodlust on the battlefield of war Khaine, doesn't translate to murder orgies which murder Khaine would have no problem with. The decline in worship of war Khaine at the height of the Eldar Empire due to automated warriors, led to the reemergence of the primitive ideas present in murder Khaine. From then on, the split between the sadistic and non-sadistic Eldar formed to eventually become Chaos against Imperial Eldar. Khaine worship being the same god but worshipped differently is an idea I stole from WHF. High Elves appease Khaine but killing a fuckton of warriors on the battlefield while the Dark Elves just randomly murder people out in the streets.
>>52610683By the Emperor, the poor guy must have been borderline bipolar right before the Fall. Or maybe he was just like Ares, i.e., he's a dick but he's OUR dick.
>>52610731>bi-polar >trust a sleepy goddess >interpret her dream literally That explains why he went genociding Eldar once he heard they might kill him.
>>52610683>The decline in worship of war Khaine at the height of the Eldar Empire due to automated warriors, led to the reemergence of the primitive ideas present in murder Khaine.And those that weren't pouring Khaine's murder god mojo into the new snuff god were the sort of militant monsters that would throw interstellar ordinance and automated armadas around for the love of war, and thus we get the Scions of the Old Helm.
>>52607629>>52607780I'd keep the general hierarchy of gods but dump everything else.The exact nature of Asuryan should not be ever made clear. Was he an extraordinarily powerful elder god? A Chaos god from before they became insufferably awful? An Old One construct? Some sort of non-god based deamon-prince of the Formless Wastes? Who the fuck knows. The gods didn't and he isn't around to ask anymore.Also in-universe there should be theological debate among the elder as to whether Ceggers is the 4th member of the Mother, Hunter, Murderer big gods. He is more powerful and influential than the other lesser gods but still not operating on the same level as the other 3.When asked by eldar in more recent times Cegger would not give a useful answer. "I'm the Cosmic Jester that runs an interdimensional carnival and my followers are ninja clowns. I defy sensible classification" or some variation thereof is the usual answer.
Are the Hrud and the Watchers in the Dark the same species?If they are and given the corrupted nature of their old homeworld it could add another layer to the Eternal War within the Imperium.The Hrud are the children of the Watchers who were booted off of their old homeworld for becoming Chaos worshipers. The resistant ones encountered by the Dark Angels being the resistant descendants of the defiant ones.The Hrud had more time to acclimatize to nomadic living and rebuild their numbers somewhat in no doubt helped by their new gods. The watchers had a covert war with them when they also ended up adrift in the sea of stars.The War continues in secret. Beneath the streets and deckplates in the dark and forgotten places strange creatures of faded shadow kill each other quietly.The average citizen, even most of the Inquisition, don't even know that there even is a war.
I need shit to write boys, gimme some shit you want writen
>>52616969Write about Ghazgkull
>>52617029Anything but orcs
>>52616969Within what parameters are we allowed to request?
>>52617143No orcs, but otherwise pretty much anything
>>52617172Dorn still needs doing, but that's a tall order.If not Dorn then Iyanna Arienal the Spiritseer.
>>52617215Or crone eldar characters
>>52615945The Hrud are really, really biologically different from the Watchers. Also they weren't originally nomadic, they only started doing so after the Imperium made contact with their world and some hitchhiked off. Also they fought in the War in Heaven alongside the Krork, Eldar, K'nib, and the like.You know, back when we were talking about more fallibility for the Space Marines, the Hrud could be a good example. In canon they were discovered by a Mechanicus Explorator ship. Here they could have been discovered by the Iron Hands since the two are joined at the hip here. Like in canon, Eldar Farseers tell the Iron Hands "hey, you don't want to go there, that's the Hrud honeworld, they're kind of...unpleasant". Iron Hands think they're bullshitting them and end up unleashing the Hrud on the galaxy. Iron Hands fiercly try to undo their mistake, like an engineer who thinks he can control nature and put the genie back in the bottle, but they weren't able to get rid of all the Hrud, and now they're everywhere.
>>52617228Lemme write some crone eldar shit
>>52617326there are notes on prominent positions in the four big cults on 1d4chan
>>52617275Given that they were also created/uplifted by the Old Ones and fought as brothers in arms with the eldar it makes you wonder what happened later to make them so hated.
are space elevators common in the imperium?
>>52618420Space elevators and voidcraft both transport people or goods from planetside to void space, and vice verse. Worlds with enough money or advance technology can construct space elevators instead of using voidcraft. Where as voidcrafts are expensive and manpower intensive, space elevators pay back their worth and don't require pilots to operate it. Say you are building a void ship, even the tiniest void ships are kilometers in length. That means, void shipyards have to build these monstrosities in the empty vacuum of the void or else they get crushed under their own weight due to the world's gravity. Transportation of materials and personnel off-world is required for construction of star forts, void shipyards, and void ships. Aircraft capable of both flying through atmosphere and without atmosphere like voidcraft could be used as transport. The problem with doing that is, training of pilots for such a thing taking time and the disproportionate fuel consumption. Void elevators on the other hand, uses less fuel and only needs engineers to oversee it.
>>52618420No.They were minimum one per inhabited planet back in the days of the Dark Age but most have fallen into ruin since then.The Mechanicum could probably make them but without the Men of Iron and the Iron Minds the task is expensive and time-consuming. Also current technology doesn't allow them to be built on every world.
>>52617852It’s not so much that the Hrud are hated, it’s that they’re unpleasant to be around. They constantly emit an entropic field and a mist of poisons from their body, which makes it rather hard to be around them for an extended period of time. The Eldar probably said “just let the Hrud be on their planet” out of respect for being fellow War in Heaven veterans but also ones they didn’t want to be around.Given the way the Imperium treats xenos in this timeline, I can see the Imperium trying to negotiate with the Hrud the same way they did with all of the other xenos races that are currently in the Imperium. As in, you want to mind your own business and trade and whatever, fine. The minute you start messing with Imperial citizens we’re going to have a problem. However, because Hrud have the attention span and demeanor of a house cat and have trouble respecting boundaries, they often end up taking zanhaads (slave-pets) from the Imperial populace and getting them addicted to their bodily chemicals, at which point something has to be done. As a result, Hrud communities across the Imperium either exist in a state of uneasy peace or “extermination”.Isha, for her part, is very interested in this description of a Hrud worshipping some kind of shadow deity. The description of this shadow-deity reminds her quite a bit of Qah, a warp god from another race who fought alongside the Eldar gods in the War in Heaven which Isha got along quite well with. It would be nice if there was another survivor of that horrible conflict to talk to (unfortunately, she doesn’t know about the Umbra).
>>52618420>>52619255>>52619276I think Medusa and Mars, at least, both have confirmed space elevators. Those rings that surround the planet are supposed to be space elevators leading to orbital shipyards and manufactorys. Given the difficulties we now know exist in keeping a space elevator or space ring stable, they're probably mostly DaoT creations with neutronium like the ringworld on Cthonia. Nowhere near the same amount of neutronium, but enough that it's difficult if not impossible to fix if broken.
>>52619462I could imagine some pretty cool adventures unfolding to salvage strands of neutronium fundament from long ruined, overgrown worlds and haul them back to reconstruct void elevators in places like Ultramar and major forge worlds.
>>52619782also ancient proto-hives built up around the stumps of broken void elevators, clinging to and cantilevered off of what remains of the neutronium core.
‘’Your foolishness is what has lead us to this fate farseer, now you will suffer by the servants of the true god of war’’- Arrotyr Lord of fire, marshall of the scions of the broken helmArrotyr was once one of the greatest warriors the eldar empire ever had, his martial prowess and leadership was legendary, he was one of the few eldar warriors that had earned the respect of the necrontyr, it was even said that the silent king himself had said that he would wish to meet the legendary warrior on the battlefield, He even gained a nemesis in the Necrontyr, The lord Nemesor Zandrekh, who he defeated and spared. Such was Arrotyr’s prestige, he and his scions of the broken helm were undefeatable in battle, with them Arrotyr lead the eldar race to victory and ushered the eldar empire into its golden age. But this was the beginning of the end for Arrotyr’s legacy. For when the nightbringer was destroyed by khaine and the aspect of the reaper was felt by all living beings, Arrotyr had a vision, a vision of a great burning eye opening, a fire that would consume the eldar race and afterwards only ash would remain. He would have his kin be subjected to this fate and when the great carnal hedonism of the eldar race began he tried to stop them, he warned them that it would lead to their race fall, but they did not listen and Arrotyr and his warriors were shunned by their kin, cast out for their attempts to save them. Arrotyr felt his love for his kind whither, he had tried to save them but they had rejected him, traitor they had called him, a fool that could not rejoice the golden age the eldar race had been graced. But it would not stop Arrotyr, he would not stop to try and save his kind. But as the ages flowed by, his finesse withered and his blood lust grew, his attempts to sway his kind become more aggressive and the vision of fire had soon consumed his sight. His belief in Khaine had been weakened, no god of his would let such horrendous actions be allowed,
>>52620196and when the eldar began to see their wrongs and they felt the birth of a new god to be present, they called upon Arrotyr to return and help save them from their fate. Arrotyr returned to his race, but he now knew that saving them from this fate could only be done in one way. All he saw now was an uncontrollable wildfire. When he returned to the crone worlds he began his race salvation, and as thousands of ships filled with eldar’s desperate to escape from the soul consuming infant of a new god, Arrotyr’s fleet began to fire at the fleeing vessels, he ordered his warrior to make landfall and to slay all eldar in sight. Arrotyr knew the only way to ensure the survival of his race would be to destroy the problem from the base. He made landfall to the world where Isha was kept. He intended to get rid of their gods who had done nothing to save them, and as he neared the palace she was holding in, he heard a whisper in his head, one who spoke of great favour for warriors and as he made his way towards Isha where he slew those who once had ridiculed him the voice grew louder. When he stood at the entrance to where Isha was slowly dragged into the immaterium, Arrotyr stood knee deep in the bodies of his kin, covered in blood and a screaming voice inside his head, calling for blood, and blood it would have. The fire had consumed his sight when he leapt into the chamber killing his way towards the goddess. As he and his men cleaved the mad men desperate clinging to Isha he knew that he could not have the goddesses head, so as Isha was dragged into the realm of the warp Arrotyr ordered his men to begin the slaughter, if the birth of the new god is unstoppable they would leave nothing for it to consume. It was at the peak of this slaughter that the voice told Arrotyr his feats and granted him and his scions his blessing. The fire in Arrotyr’s eyes spew out, charring hundreds of eldar and then the fire consumed his body, soon he was a walking inferno,
>>52620216the gift spread, The scions of the broken helm had turned into living fires, turning all around them to ash. Arrotyr’s slaughter had turned from salvation to punishment. As Slaanesh was born and the eye was opened Arrotyr and his scions had left the crone worlds to their fate and instead left to bring those who had escaped to justice. Arrotyr and his warrior’s bodies burned away by the ages, the fire always burning, soon they would be walking skeletons, forever consumed by fire, locked in their armour bringing their kin to justice for the blood god. None could stand against the scions of the broken helm, not the eldar, not even the imperium, all would be punished, all but his old enemies, for it would be the necrons that would drive him back, the now mad lord Nemesor Zahndrekh his old nemesis, had spent his sleep calculating the perfect strategy against Arrotyr, he would be the one to finally defeat the undefeatable eldar. As he caught whiff of Arrotyr’s conquest and set his plan into action. Arrotyr had tried to chase down a craftworld and as he had begun to close in on it and the eldar onboard prepared for their final stand Nemesor striked. Even with the might of a military fleet and the blessing of khorne the battle only lasted for 6 minutes and 34.4534 seconds, only 0.0002 seconds more than what Nemesor had planned. The craftworld was saved from Arrotyr’s rage and was spared by Nemesor as he had won his battle, Arrotyr never faced Nemesor, he never faced any necrons for that fact, he only knew that they could not win this battle as fast as necrons attacked, and that Nemesor had spared him. This angered Arrotyr even more because for the first time in his existence, Arrotyr had been defeated. He returned to the eye, where he claimed some crone worlds so that he could lick his wounds. But his desire to punish his kin for their faults still burned deep within him.
>>52620235His second chance to fight again would be during the first black crusade, he made his way away from the main force to bring judgement elsewhere but it would prove to short whiled. For he once again faced battle against Nemesor Zahndrekh who once again defeated Arrotyr, though this time the battle only lasted for 5 minutes and 4.3421 seconds, and once again he was spared by Nemesor who this time sent Arrotyr a message. ‘’Honoured warrior of the eldar, I Nemesor Zahndrekh spare you today so that i once again can defeat you. You brought my people to defeat and now the tables have turned, I shall forever battle you and i shall forever be victorious, I plan your every move, I foresee your every step. Even when the galaxy is dead Shall i fight you, And i will win.’’Thus was Arrotyr sent back to the eye of terror to lick his wounds once again, this rivalry has continued to the present, every time Arrotyr would gain any substantial leverage into the galaxy Nemesor would be there and at every battle Nemesor would be victorious, the battles never lasting more than a few minutes. Today Arrotyr and his scions patrol the Crone worlds under the blood god’s control. Only as a burning figure he plans his next move bring judgement to his kin, but he knows that wherever he goes Nemesor will be there to send him backthats the marshall of the broken helm done, what do you guys think? anything else you want writen?
>>52620259This needs to be on the 1d4chan page, although it may require some revision as Nemesor Zahndrekh did not awaken that early.Either that or he woke up a few times earlier just to keep the flame of rivalry strong and then slapped the snooze button again
>>52620841Agreed about the part about Zandrekh. The Nemesor didn't wake up until many of the other Necrons with sentience did. I think we had him waking up about the same time as the Silent King being active again (though it could be the Nemesor knew the Silent King was active before the non-Necron parts of the galaxy did).Also I don't think Zahndrekh even remembers who the Eldar are. He doesn't remember anything from after the first shots of the War in Heaven, IIRC. He thinks the Eldar are just really ugly evolved Necrontyr.It could also be Imotekh the Stormlord. Imotekh had/has a habit of letting good enemies live, so that he may face them again, both here and in canon. He only kills planets when he's on the clock, I think. And Imotekh is a good deal more cognizant than Zandrekh.The only other thing is that Isha wasn't present in the Materium prior to the raid. This was mentioned several times above, part of the reason the Eldar went down the rabbit hole so bad is their gods weren't allowed to manifest in the Materium and slap them upside the head. Isha, Kurnous, Vaul, etc. would have all loved to do something about what the Eldar were becoming, but Asuryan kept saying "nope, mortals and gods must be separate".
>>52621208That covers all the changes I'd suggest, though I'd also add that so far the Scions were willing to cooperate with the rest of the crone eldar on black crusades and such.
>>52620841>>52621208Sounds good, changing nemesor to imotekh is good and changing the part about isha too
>>52619782>>52619462I'd say that the Mechanicum can still build orbital tethers from scratch and have built at least one to demonstrate that fact but it's not something that they like doing. Due to limitations on available materials they have to fuck around with gravity manipulation to alter the stresses involved. This is expensive and requires extreme care. Fuck up and the line snaps. You don't want to be near the line when it snaps. Imagine a whip miles long, under insane tension and it snaps and goes whipping through the sky.It's still more cost effective in the long run than hauling shit in ground to space craft but it takes a long time to build.Salvaging old Dark Age tethers is the favored method.And it's not neutronium. They don't know what the fuck it is but it's not neutronium, lay-people just call it that and they see no reason to correct them.>>52619314I like the idea that the Iron Hands never even realized that the fuckers were on the ships with them when they left.It wasn't until the complaint letter started arriving at the palace from the eldar that anyone even realized anything was up.When the Iron Hands returned to the Hrud homeworld to ask about all this they found it empty. To this day it is empty. It's like the Hrud were desperate to get out or off their homeworld, as if something was approaching or waking up. Or maybe they're just hiding.Either way eldar are grumpy about it.
>>52623053People may be under estimating how much of a pain it is to get shit into orbit without an elevator. Considering the size of some of the space ships and constructs the Imperium manufactures, space elevators would be the only feasible of getting that much material and parts into space. Like you might be able to do asteroid mining and such for some of the raw materials, but precision components that need a manufacturom or skilled labor are gonna need to be made planet side. Consider how absurdly expensive it was to construct the ISS, which mostly came from the expense of launching things into space, and then compare that to the several kilometer long cruisers the Imperium churns out regularly. And then there's the tons and tons of products the Imperium exports from planet to planet. I'd imagine most Hive Worlds have a space elevator, being the engines of production and economy activity of the Imperium, and probably the richer civilized worlds as well. >>52581498Funny that you pick the Iron Hands to show SM fallibility, since they're actually not SMs but instead super Skitarii that have the same power level as SMs. I'm a little ambivalent on this backstory, as it shows the Eldar getting disregarded again, like when they tried to warn Emps of the Necrons. It kind of makes it hard to support the narrative that they are equal partners in the Imperium if their advice keeps getting ignored.
>>52625664It do show that the cool dudes listen to their advices and not screw up, and when their advices are not, it blows up on every one face. Seriously, their ought to be a couple of major screw ups like that for the brick that is the Imperium to listen.
>>52625664I was actually going to say Iron Warriors, since they’re the ones who tried to cram the Hrud back in their hole in canon, but it seems the IW would be more likely to listen to the Eldar given their relationship with the Silver Skulls. Iron Hands are well known for not listening to anyone, even other Imperials.However, I see your point that an actual Space Marine legion would work better than the super-Skitarii.The Hrud thing would have been during the Great Crusade, if we go by canon. Late enough on that the Imperium would listen to the Eldar (probably post-raid), but early enough that there were plenty of people who didn’t trust the Eldar when they went “don’t touch that you idiots”.>It kind of makes it hard to support the narrative that they are equal partners in the Imperium if their advice keeps getting ignored.The one issue with this is how can you get anyone showing fallibility relative to the Eldar without someone ignoring their advice. In the case of the Hrud, if you were an Eldar farseer, and you foresaw someone was going to do something stupid like let a quarantined species off its homeworld, wouldn't you step in and do something about it?The Eldar theoretically could prevent every single fuckup in Imperial history, by looking into the future, assuming there are enough farseers and people listen to them, because if they look into the future and see everyone is dead because someone pushed the big red button, they're going to step in to stop people from pushing the big red button.
>>52623053>And it's not neutronium. They don't know what the fuck it is but it's not neutronium, lay-people just call it that and they see no reason to correct them.So it’s like Necron gauss weapons? The Necron weapons should really be called something like “flayer guns” or “spaghettification devices” or “singularity weapons”, but end up being known as something else. There are a lot of gauss weapons in the galaxy as typically defined (i.e., railguns), but whatever the Necrons are using ain’t it.>It wasn't until the complaint letter started arriving at the palace from the eldar that anyone even realized anything was up.There would have had to be at least a brief warning before that, because the gist of the situation was the Space Marines disregarded Eldar advice and got screwed up for it. The Eldar letters to the palace would have been more like the Eldar tried being nice but now the Astartes have done something stupid and the Eldar have to go above their head because there’s a mass of Hrud stinking up their Craftworld.
So Hrud aren't outright malicious so much as really annoying.
>>52627956Tell me a story about Taldeer!