How would Warhammer 40K change if the Flood appeared. Which faction, other than the necrons, would be able to beat those abominations?
>>52019497None of them, including the crons./thread.
>>52019533Necrons would have an advantage over the Flood as they do not have biomass for the Flood to consume. I think the Tyranids would be completely eviserated as the Flood is a massively more efficient and virulent version of them
>>52019497the flood can also take over non biological material like machinery.Necrons are not safe from the Flood. There's a reason a nigh omnipotent race like the Forerunners had to create literal doomsday devices to contain them.
>>52019566can they corrupt literal magic?
>>52019566While I agree with that point, it is fair to mention the cases that we saw where the flood took over machinery was when a Gravemind was given direct access to an AI
>>52019566>nigh omnipotentThat word does not mean what you are using it as.But yeah the forerunners maneged to lose and they were "vastly" more powerful then anything in 40k Right now and generally considered to be better then the crons at their respective peak.
>>52019589They literally infected physics itself.
>>52019652In that case, Chaos would beat them because Chaos can't into physics. Also if the Master Chief, who's basically a shitty Space Marine, can single-handedly beat them on a tactical level then presumably the Exterminatus-dropping Imperium with its bajillion Spess Merhns can beat them too.
>>52019497Nurgle corrupts them and reigns victorius.
>>52019675I've got no dog in this fight, but one of the points about MC is that he wasn't the biggest, baddest Spartan.He was just insanely lucky, far beyond belief.
>>52019675The flood were confined to a couple of planets, there was a weapon specifically designed to defeat them, and the MC is literal Jesus, if you take Halo 4 and the novelizations to account.
>>52019735His luck is just the meta explanation for why the player has him succeed even where he shouldn't.
>>52019497Literally no one would even notice. "Oh, a monster that consumes all biomass on a planet and turns it into more relays for the hivemind, while warping the laws of physics by its very presence.Must be Tuesday."
>>52019992One that also absorbs the knowledge of those it assimilates and can operate technology better than its owners
>>52020042so fucking tyranids then?
>>52019497>How would Warhammer 40K change if the Flood appeared.Nothing would change.In 'grim drik melenium of fourty kay' its called business as usual.
Not a halo fanboy and I'm really just familiar with 1 and 2, so I don't know how post jump the shark powerful the flood are.But they look like a less scary copy of the nids
>>52020458At their height, the Flood got scary powerful. They were able to manipulate space-time without the presence of a space-time force like the Warp. The only reason that the Flood lost is because their food source, all life in the galaxy, was eredicated from existence which was later re-seeded by robots. The Flood is more scary than Nids, because the Flood was able to destroy a nigh-omnipotent super-civilization while the Nids can't even destroy the Imperium
>>52020597Give them time. The Nids have only had a few centuries with their exploratory fleets. The Flood had millennia with massive forces.
>>52020597Can I get some feats on the Flood? I only played up until 3
>>52020597You realize that the imperium is only dealing with the little toe of the nid body and that the bids have already cleaned out an entire galaxy, right?
>>52020685Short version:The flood are scary, but there were extenuating circumstances that meant that the forerunners were greatly weakened when they showed up. Spoilerific version:The forerunners were forced to wipe out the technologically advanced and war-like interstellar human empire at great cost to themselves, and the flood appeared while they were in this weakened state. So, in truth, as scary as the flood are, they didn't fight the forerunners at their best
>>52020685They had access to neural physics, which basically made time and space their plaything. They had the logic plague, that allowed them to control both organic life and synthetic AI's withins seconds.At their height, the Flood devoured a planet every 3 seconds, and this is using outdated math, the number is faster, but I can't find the new result.Eventually, the Flood created entire planets made out of biomass that served as gigantic computers to even further their spread.The only reason that the Flood were confined to the Milkey Way Galaxy was that it wanted to destroy the Forerunners before spreading beyond. But then the Forerunners commited Omnicide and wiped out the Flood before then>>52020756The Forerunners shitstomped the Humans because the Humans were also fighting the Flood. The Flood then appeared almost immediatly after they had devolved the humans.
>>52019851The first game alone established that 1) the Forerunners were hideously advanced, to the point of being able to fairly easily exterminate all intelligent life in the galaxy with some sort of targeted supertech pulse, 2) the Flood beat the Forerunners so decisively that the Forerunners felt that racial suicide and multiple genocide was the best remaining option, and 3) the Flood themselves are depicted as wimpy space zombies.Greg Bear likes writing sci-fi about civilizations that have gone beyond sufficiently advanced, so the Forerunners were inflated beyond even the extremely impressive capabilities already established in canon.the halo writers had to come up with a way for these invincible space gods to be defeated by the Flood. Power inflation that would earn the approval of the hypothetical lovechild of Dragonball and the Star Wars EU ensued.leaving us with the bullshit tiers of power we have now.Flood abilities as of now include but are not limited to: generating matter, blocking forrunner ships from usin ftl by "corrupting physics", "neural physics" and "star roads."
>>52020901Well, the Flood were created by the Gods to strike down their children that had in turn struck down the gods. It is kind of hard to not have power creepAnd not to mention that the Forerunners were wanked so hard, the Flood had to be wanked even harder
>>52020901Also, the Flood are only wimpy space zombies because they are, literally, as weak as possible in Halo 1. They inflate HUGE, by the time Halo 2 comes along
>>52019633>>52019735>>52019830>>52019851>>52020458>>52020597>>52020756>>52020901 Bear absolutely wrote the Forerunners in a way that we hadn't seen up until that point. Forerunners prior to Bear were engineers who built superstructures and made a doomsday plot device. At the end of the day anyone who reads the Bear novels and then plays the games is going to wonder how exactly the mighty prometheans/sentinels/etcs are being gunned down en masse by a dude with an assault rifle.This has been a problem from the first game, but Halo 4 and 5 made it massively worse because suddenly we got to see Forerunner soldiers in action and they sure as hell weren't what Bear's novels say they are. when it comes to what they actually use in the Halo games that most people are familiar with, you end up with energy shotguns and teleporting soldiers who are challenging but not nigh unbeatable for a generic sci-fi army.This is exactly the problem. You can warble about how prometheans (and Didact) aren't "real" forerunner soldiers, but that's a dodge. Soldiers the forerunners used against the flood are easily defeated by a man with an assault rifle and power armor. When I read Bear's descriptions of War Sphinxes and the like being able to ruin continents, when I read damn near everything in the Forerunner trilogy, every time I try to imagine that, my mind goes back to the prometheans in Halo 4 and I think "golly, that sure would've been handy for Didact to have." Sentinels might not be forerunner "soldiers", but the forerunners must have been extreme and utter retards to put the future prevention of flood outbreaks in the hands of drones that can be easily defeated by some dude with an assault rifle when they supposedly had technology so massively superior like the war spinx.There are two versions of halo, the version that depicts mary sue humans with a manifest destiny where they and HFY everything.And the version of halo that is depicted in the forrunner books.
>>52021218The Sentinals were provably built for containment early in the infection. A group of infection forms can do jack shit against a flying drone with lazer beams. To your point about the prometheans, you aren't going to have your 1 supersoldier PC fight against hordes of exponentially better supersoldiers
>>52021218>>52021305Also, you can't argue using the point of how they are represented in game, as I am sure 40k strength in fluff is massively different to how they play in tabletop.
>>52021333Actually the chief seems to be more powerful in the books due to cortana and reflexes a player could never have.Also other stuff
>>52021353Using the first version of power armor, The master chief was able to dodge individual machinegun bullets and slap a missile out of the way.
>>52019497The Flood appear, become another threat to the Imperium, are narrowly defeated and go out to terrorize the galaxy.Buy the Flood codex today!
>>52021382Tiberium appears, become another threat to the Imperium, is narrowly defeated and goes out to terrorize the galaxy.Buy the Tiberium codex today!
So this is an important question. Is it just normal gravemind flood? Or are we talking awakened precursor flood? Because if it the awakened flood noone in the universe stands a chance... Unless someone has a halo ring.
>>52022943It probably should be a gravemind flood. However, once the Flood grew enough, in a couple months at absolute "best", it would snowball into the power to destroy any enemy in its surroundings. It wouldn't have as many cheats such as the Star roads, but the flood would improve over every other faction.
>>52019497They wouldn't even put a dent in the setting. We already have a friendly neighborhood biomass monster. The Tyranids put the Flood to shame. And the Flood are beaten by a pathetically weaker version of humanity with some help from elites. The covenant and UNSC combined are probably on par with Tau.
>>52020088If the 'Nids could pick up Necron weapons and start piloting their Monoliths better than actual Necrons, sure.>>52023956Have you read the thread? Flood make the 'Nids look like puppies.Only time they lost was when they had literally every source of food removed. Modern Flood aren't actually beaten, a single Infection Form was enough to throw an entire UNSC Frigate into distress mode.
>>52023985They actually "lost" a second time when they zerg rushed the Ark by sending literally every active Flood form to prevent the galaxy from being wiped from all life. The Ark then exploded, effectively sacrificng themselves for the rest of the galaxy.
>>52024042>The Ark explodedIt actually didn't, only the Installation 03 replacement was destroyed. The Ark is still very much there, seeing as how it's where Halo Wars 2 takes place. It's still quite possible for dormant flood there to awaken and begin stretching their limbs again, especially with food nearby.
>>52023985The Flood in the game are very different from the Flood in the books. That much has been said. However, if we take the Flood from the game and compare them to the 'Nids, I honestly think that the 'Nids would win, considering they have more biomass than the goddamn galaxy.
Precursor Flood could very well blow 40k out. Post Forerunner-Flood War not so much
>>52024078ah, but the question is, how fast can the tyranaids adapt to the flood spores, and how fast can the flood out adapt the 'nids
>>52024074I didn't pay attention to Halo Wars 2 so I had just assumed the Ark exploded as well>>52024103Cold War 3
>>52024103On one hand, the 'Nids could change DNA strands quickly enough to not get fucked instantly, but on the other the only time I can remember the Flood being unable to infect something was Johnson, who had a metric ton of his DNA fucked up after using an entire crate of Plasma Grenades with a lot of good luck.
>>52024140He had a fucked up nervous system after being a part of the pre-precursor to the SpartanII Project. The flood were unable to adapt to this as they couldn't connect to his nerves, but this would have killed him very soon as having a fucked up nervous system can only do bad things to your body. That is why I think that the nids are the only faction besides Chaos(as the energy that makes up demons is not biomass) that stands up to the Flood as the Nids could do something very similar. However, the technological edge that the flood has might balence this out
>>52020685Here is how a usual Flood infection plays out:A flood infected ship approaches a planet. It has all of the memories and intelligence of the people it absorbed prior tot his, and it has hijacked their bodies, so it can effortlessly fake any code or handshake protocol that anyone it infected knew. On top of that, all of the biomass on the ship is currently in the form of a giant unified biocomputer, which is strong enough to brute-force hack an AI. So the Flood ship stands a good chance of getting through defenses without firing a shot, and just as good a chance of assuming direct control of any automated planetary defenses that exist. Once on the planet, the Flood begin to spread. Corrupting local organic matter, and using that organic matter to interface with electronic systems with the goal of assuming control of the planets data networks and infrastructure. It uses those data networks to identify organic populations, isolate them, and cripple their ability to fight back. Before it has taken full control of the area it landed in, it is already stuffing vehicles and airships with infected to send them to other parts of the planet to create new infection hotspots. By this point global communications have already been brought down and large scale coordinated military defense by the organics is all but impossible. Sources of especially strong military defense are destroyed from long range using hacked orbital defenses or any other military technology the Flood has taken over by this point. Within 48 hours, military and civilian ships start taking off from the planet full of infected matter to spread the infection to other worlds while the remaining flood organisms finish up with this one. Each of those Flood ships is more intelligent than the one that first landed on that world, having learned from the entire infected population during this latest pandemic. Their smartest scientists, their most brilliant strategists, etc.Repeat.
>>52027145This is, by the way, part of why the Fore runners got so rekt by the Flood: they had super-AI and trusted it to do a lot. So losing control of their AI and data networks was incredibly fucking crippling. Half their own weapons were shooting at them instead of at the Flood.
>>52022407There's a reason the Flood and the Culture are pretty much no-go subjects on the Stardestroyer.net forums, especially when you pit them against each other. The Flood's and the Culture's endgame powers are so ill-defined as to essentially be "It's magic bitches, we don't gotta explain shit" and it devolves into an argument over whether Gridfire could take out Star Roads or the logic plague could do anything to Minds.
>>52027245The problem with giving the Flood star roads is that those were cinstructs in the Halo Universe. They would not have them in 40k
>>52019607If it required the Flood to get direct physical access to whatever machine the Flood wanted to corrupt, then how would they be able to do that to the Necrons before being atomized by mass-gauss flayer spam? This is even further complicated seeing how Necrons can phase out and return to their tombs.Plus, the only thing worthwhile for them to corrupt would be lords or overlords because the other Necrons can't think for themselves. I doubt a lord is just going to sit by and let a Gravemind extend it's tendrils into his head.
>>52028112I was mistaken and later the AI's needed only access to infected individuals. As in, like, talking distance
>>52028212>>52028112And took only seconds
>>52019830>taking Halo 4 and beyond into account
>>52028822I don't like Halo 4, I was just saying they say that the whole story of the MC was predestined and some shit by hypnosis and other subtle manipulations for decades to make Halo 4 unfold.
>>52020719>an entire galaxy>singular
>>52021218> the version that depicts mary sue humans with a manifest destiny where they and HFY everything.This, this is what pisses me off so much - Halo's degeneration from the outstanding classic HFY ("We're massively outgunned and/or outnumbered, but by god we're bloodyminded enough to make them bleed!") in the early games and related novels - Contact Harvest being my personal favourite - to nu-HFY ("YEAH BUT WE HAVE REVERSE ENGINEERING AND ENDURANCE HUNTING SO WE CAN TAKE DOWN LITERAL GODS") in 343's games. Seriously, it triggers me beyond belief. And I don't even play it that much. And I enjoyed Wars.>>52025037Underrated
>>52028866That's what I hate most about the mind-boggling inflation of the power levels involved the Flood-Forerunner War - it obligated that the first trilogy was an entirely predetermined metagambit by an ancient gene magician that planned for LITERALLY EVERYTHING and thus takes the narrative out of the hands of the cast retroactively."Ancient superciv" worked better for Halo when the Forerunner were genuinely extinct, preserving a sense of scale and mystery. Shit's a lot less entertaining when you have practical gods running around past and present narrating the story.
>>52029015>he doesn't like killing literal gods and demons with a rocket launcherHow have you survived the fps genre?
>>52029139I am ashamed that I thought Halo 4 was okay when it came out. The last good Halo game was Reach>>52029199No, you kill them in quicktime events
>>52019497Nurgle has the biggest erection since that time he played Metroid Fusion. Khorne would cry as he's dethroned as top god. His anger will increase. Slaanesh would see Nurgle's erection & spend the rest of his/her/it's days envying Isha. The envy & blueballs will be a sensation like nothing else. Tzneech would initially think it's according to plan, only to realize that he buggered himself over & will need to plan his way out. Probably happy.
>>52029015>nu-HFY>Cortana gets blown upFive minutes later>JK I downloaded myself to the Forerunner Internet and now I am Digital Jesus come back to lead my people to the Holy Land of Eternal Technoopression lmaoThey really have been pushing it to the limit
>>52021218Actually, pre-Halo 4 Forerunners included Onyx Sentinels who learn from fighting Spartans & who can combine to blow up Covenant ships far larger. It's also been said that just about all Covenant technology minus Brutes is one way or another watered down Forerunner tech.
>>52029015>from outstanding classic HFYI hadn't realised it until now, but it definitely was. Come to think of it, probably the best implementation of HFY I'd ever seen (or at least the one with the fewest tumours).Now I just feel sad. Someone hold me.
>>52029292At least 343 is starting to add the old art style into Halo again.
>>52024074Didn't Cortana specifically say in Halo 3 that destroying the 03 replacement ring while it was still within the Arc would in turn destroy the Arc?Having it still be there in Halo Wars 2 would completely undermine the ending of three. And make no fucking sense since the Gravemind's bizarre tech-powers should have allowed it to reopen the portal between the Arc and Earth or just warp back again using another ship.
>>52019497It wouldn't change at all, newfag.There is already heaps of shit like this, even worse.Learn your fluff and stop trying to trigger autistic people with your gay halo shit.
>inquisitorial erection at the thought of galactic exterminatus weapons
>>52029599Havin a new enemy that is kinda similar to tyranids but works very differently arrive in a space previously devoid of tyranids would not change anything at all? Good to know
>>52029599>>52029639Except no, because neither of you (nor the rest of this thread) seem to fucking understand the two factions beyond "fuckhuge biological swarm". Nids' schtick (at least in theory) is their adaptability. Whatever you kill one wave with, the next'll be hardened against - and if you're still able to handle everything, they'll grow themselves a CINC and out-keikaku you.The Flood, on the other hand, have a boner for corruption - they're most infamous as INFECTION forms, after all. Genestealers have fucking weak game compared to something that can even corrupt AIs to their will; and since their infection and combat forms don't physically adapt so well, they're quicker to throw biomass into a central "brain", which usually retains the knowledge of the forms already infected.tl;dr: nids will skullfuck you and anything you try and fight them with; flood will mindfuck you then use the mush to grow a new brain to outsmart your allies
>>52029255Forerunners after Bear were space gods with continent-wrecking power armor. Now you can argue that this is legit and that Bear was just writing the Forerunners in the way Bungie would have if not constrained to an FPS format styled after Aliens, but at the end of the day anyone who reads the Bear novels and then plays the games is going to wonder how exactly the mighty prometheans/sentinels/etcs are being gunned down en masse by a dude with an assault rifle.If the Sentinels even aproached the levels of Stronk described in the books, they would have turned Master Chief into an ash smear in a seconds.>>52029599>There is already heaps of shit like this, even worse.Objectivly wrong.
>>52030018Please stop reminding me of that turd
>>52019497The Flood are basically slightly less dangerous 'Nids.So not much would change. Maybe more women would play with the addition of a another female-friendly army.
>>52020901>3) the Flood themselves are depicted as wimpy space zombies.The Flood are only as powerful as the civilisation they're destroying (since they take all their mass and hijack their tech).
>>52019566Crons can teleport back to their tombs when critically damaged, and they don't bring non-Necron shit with them, or you'd be able to take out tombs by subduing an immortal, strapping a cyclonic torpedo to it and then shooting it's legs off.Flood would infest the Cron, it'd register as disabled, it's living metal components would phase out and the parasite would be left flopping on the ground as useless biomass.Coupled with the Cron's weapons working via molecular disintegration, their weaponry would be extremely effective against the parasite in a way the Forerunner's directed energy weaponry wasn't. Dispersing energy with extreme efficiency doesn't help when you're being ripped apart at an atomic level. Scarabs would also be a hard counter to infection forms, which are the principle way Flood multiply, coupled with the fact most tomb worlds are dead worlds with little biomass, the Flood would land and rapidly lose biomass, being unable to even recycle their dead due to it being turned into free-floating atoms.Plus an Immortal won't freak out just because an infection form has latched onto his face, he'll just keep shooting until disabled/crush it with his robo-grip.tl;dr Milky Way would be fine, the Necrons have got this.
>>52030264Problem is that the flood have a good track record of being able to infest AI-like systems and turn them to their side using a program known as the "logic plague".
>>52019633>the forerunners maneged to lose and they were "vastly" more powerful then anything in 40kPretty sure they did have a map that can delete stars.
>>52030288They needed to physically capture the Monitor to do that though. Necrons would phase out if captured long before they could be infested/turned in the same way Medicant Bias was.Necrons aren't AI either, they still have emotions, so it's arguable whether trying to induce rampancy via a bunch of logic-loops and hard truths would even work when they're still biological enough in their thought processes to just shrug and go 'meh' when they don't understand something.
>>52027145In 40k this will be pretty problematic. Due to all military space vessels having astropaths, navigators and possibly other psykers. Knowing codes and everything else is not enough.And Flood trying to get psyker powers will probably lead to Chaos !!!FUN!!!
>>52030018The Promethians an anti-Flood countermeasure & not the flesh & blood forerunners. Just look at some of their weapons. They disintegrate, that Incineration cannon would work wonders against carrier forms, etc. Even the Sentinel Beams are good for little more than killng Flood gameplay wise. The Didact is the only forerunner Chief fought & Chief got his ass kicked by him just about every encounter.The onyx sentinels are special kinds made for special locations. The average sentinel doesn't need to be half as strong because of their duties & enemies faced. Besides, don't you remember all the humans = Reclaimer bullshit?
>>52029611If an exterminatus had tities & asses. is it heresy to get an erection from it?
>>52020901>so the Forerunners were inflated beyond even the extremely impressive capabilities already established in canonThe old lore had the Forerunners construct the Halo Rings in even LESS time than the current lore does. They could shit Death Stars hourly.
>>52030570> Knowing codes and everything else is not enoughGoing by novels, it will usually be enough>>52030569>Necrons aren't AI eitherRight, but they do have and utilise AIs (master tomb control programs, for example, one of which went rogue, formatted necrons it was keeping and stuff
>>52027145Here's how it plays out in 40k;A flood infected ship approaches a planet. It has all of the memories and intelligence of the people it absorbed prior tot his, and it has hijacked their bodies, so it can effortlessly fake any code or handshake protocol that anyone it infected knew. This doesn't matter, because the astropaths on the planet's spacedock have been screaming in terror for the past three days about the arrival of the tortured psychic-amalgamation of the ship's crew and gibbering that the abomination must be destroyed.System defence vessels launch building-sized torpedos at the infected vessel and atomise in on the edge of the system. The event is logged as contact with a vessel that had potentially suffered some sort of catastrophic Gellar field failure during warp-transit, and filed into the system administrator's databanks for future study. An Administratum serf coming to the end of his 29 hour shift, distracted by thoughts of what he'll do during his six alotted hours of free time before his next shift begins, accidentally files the report into a document of corpse-starch ration wastage for the local PDF.There it remains for 600 years until the planet is razed by a passing Ork Waaagh! and the Adminstratum datastacks are smashed up and incorporated into an enormous dung-sculpture of Gork...or possible Mork.
>>52030569As well the Flood wouldn't really gain much just by successfully infesting Warriors or Immortals (if they can even do that). Warriors are basically robots and Immortals are incapable of thinking of anything else besides war. If the Flood were able to corrupt a Necron Warrior it'd just be gunned down by its brethren.Because of this, the only worthwhile target for the Flood to actually corrupt would be at least a Necron Lord, but there's multiple problems with that. For one, they aren't just AI, they still have a true consciousness. Simply giving them logical paradoxes won't phase them. Secondly, Necron Lords are incredibly hard to fight. The Flood would first have to get through all the Lord's forces then have to physically restrain the Lord himself. Then, thirdly, the Necrons can phase out and teleport back to their tombs. If the Flood are capable to actually infest the Lord he'll be teleported back to the tomb, leaving all the infesting Flood behind.To be honest the Necrons seem like the perfect things capable to fight the Flood. They are basically what the Didact wanted to make to counter them.
>>52030396>Having a map that can delete stars>When you can have a ring world that can delete lifeAre you even trying, m80
>>52030885Samus is pure m8
>>52030943Call me when Flood have biotitans.Or can consume 100% of a planet's biomass. Pretty sure they're limited to things with a sufficiently complex nervous system, hence why the Halo array only kills complex, multicellular life and didn't just sterilise the galaxy.
>>52031061Genetically she has enough bird magic & flying jellyfish DNA to have downy feather pubes. I wouldn't be surprised if she ever got the urge to facehug until they lose consciousness.
>>52030941>This doesn't matter, because the astropaths on the planet's spacedock have been screaming in terror for the past three days about the arrival of the tortured psychic-amalgamation of the ship's crew and gibbering that the abomination must be destroyed.>>System defence vessels launch building-sized torpedos at the infected vessel and atomise in on the edge of the system.This is all implying that>all planets with populations in the billions have an array of competent astropaths>all planets with populations in the billions have sophisticated defense platforms, or that naval vessels can be redirected in time>that the ship is not powerful enough to shrug off such attacks>that the ship is not fast enough to crash into the surface before such attacks can destroy it>that the ship isn't attacking the tauAll in all, flood's still got a decent chance.
>>52031088>bio-titans>implying ground warfare matters compared to nuking from orbit
>>52031121oh and of course>that the planetary governors of all planets are competent enough to heed the warnings of the astropaths.
>>52030941>six allotted hours of free timeWhat sort of madly inefficient world is that?
>>52031045Halos are shit-tier compared to the Celestial Orrery. The Necrons are careful with the Orrery because if they tinker with it too much, they'll just end up exploding the whole galaxy. From one installation, not hundreds spread all over the place.Being able to zap life within a few hundred lightyears isn't that impressive by comparison.
>>52031139The Imperium isn't what it used to be anon, why do you think Girlyman is so pissed.Won't catch that sort of slacking now he's back in charge.
>>52031139They still need some time to create new imperial citizens Anon.
>>52031130Yeah, because the Flood will just disintegrate their food source from orbit....idiot.
>>52031178They would. The only care if it's anything of value & worth integrating. Otherwise they'd just make a solar-system wide star road to ram it with.
As always with 40k, the powerlevels in 40k are just too damn high.Even the motherfucking Tau could wipe the shit out of the Forerunners.It's like asking if goddamn Ash Ketchum could defeat motherfucking Goku.
>>52031212>Even the motherfucking Tau could wipe the shit out of the Forerunners.
>>52031088Holy shit, anon, stop being so fucking defensive and assuming I'm jacking off one of the two sides. I'm genuinely trying to compare the two, and I'm a bugfucker to start off with with the caveat that I fucking hate genestealers with a vengeance because of how poorly the idea was executed. Actually comparing the concepts between the two of them, if you strip away all the ebin mary sue powerlevel shit, is that the nids' adaptability makes them far tougher in terms of open warfare, especially with their propensity to recycle their own dead (and yours) into new troops. The Flood, on the other hand, infect and corrupt - the biggest danger here isn't that they're hard to fight, it's that every man (and AI) you lose then has all their knowledge taken and used against you. They're far, far weaker in open battle, but that's because (MC notwithstanding) they're not meant to fight like that.Overall, in a conflict between the two, nids would steamroller the Flood without batting an eyelash. Ironically, the IoM's BLAMming, purging fetish, and paranoia about all things Chaos, would protect them from the Flood's advantages pretty well - but against the Tau or Eldar, they'd have a fucking field day.
>>52031121>all planets with populations in the billions have an array of competent astropathsAll major Imperial worlds have astropaths...it's their only method of interstellar communication.>all planets with populations in the billions have sophisticated defense platforms, or that naval vessels can be redirected in timeAgain, all major Imperial worlds have system defence vessels and a PDF, precisely because it's impossible for the Imperial forces like the Guard and Navy to respond to attacks quickly enough to cover undefended worlds.>that the ship is not powerful enough to shrug off such attacksWell yeah, if they nabbed an Emperor-class Battleship they're fucked but given how few of those there are, it's not going to slip into system unnoticed, and if it's just a regular cruiser or worse, a civilian vessel, it'll be anihilated by the SDF.>that the ship is not fast enough to crash into the surface before such attacks can destroy itWarp-drive ships have to translate into reality at the edge of systems, otherwise they end up inside the system's sun. This isn't Halo FTL where it can drop out of hyperspace in low orbit over it's target.>that the ship isn't attacking the tauOh no, they'll assimilate a hundred or so planets with a population of a few million each. With such *huge* reserves of biomass, the Flood will be able to conquer....a few backwater agriworlds at the very least!
>>52031266>Holy shit, anon, stop being so fucking defensiveCalm down anon, I was just responding with a counter-argument. I'm sorry if my mean words triggered you.
>>52031266>it's that every man (and AI) you lose then has all their knowledge taken and used against you.Which is exactly what will fuck up the Flood to hell and back, because the entire Imperium operates on the basis of "give each person as little information as possible because an open mind is like a fortress with its gates wide open".The Flood will get horribly fragmented information in, and set up plans for situations that don't exist, and get horribly wiped out.
>>52031268Actually, the Flood integrate technology & the intelligence of whoever they infect as others noted. They'd get pretty far with Tau technology.
>>52030941>1 shipha ha ha. the Flood are tyranids but worse man, same SOP but WAY smarter.
>>52031268>Oh no, they'll assimilate a hundred or so planets with a population of a few million each. With such *huge* reserves of biomass, the Flood will be able to conquer....a few backwater agriworlds at the very least!Maybe a few prehistoric worlds. If they don't get annihilated by radioactive plasma spewing dinosaurs.
>>52031319>ha ha ha. the Flood are tyranids but worse man, same SOP but WAY smarter.I think you underestimate the combined psychic intelligence of the Tyranids.The Tyranids aren't just the warrior-animals...
>>52031305>Ironically, the IoM's BLAMming, purging fetish, and paranoia about all things Chaos, would protect them from the Flood's advantages pretty wellHell, chances are that they wouldn't get any information in, if everyone (especially the Inquisition) does their job properly.
>>52031358They aren't master planners either. Their collective objectives can be summed up as eat bio-mass & head for the shiniest lightbulb named Holy Terra.
>>52031033They can. The Logic Plague worked on biological life, super ultra omega AIs, and anything inbetween within seconds.This could then spread from that corrupted individual>>52031088They can eat things with no nervous system, they just can't make combat forms very well out of them. Plant and non-sentient or incompatable biomass would be used for massive bio-computers>>52031143The Halos were not built for destroying the Galaxy. They were built to destroy the life that would feed the Flood and then re-seed it later on.>>52031305Fragmented information to be sorted out by a being that possibly rivals Tzeentch>>52031268The Flood will know all of the intricacies of Tau technology within one mind. They then can create new things out of this tech in ways no being but a hive mind could think of. Then it gets its hands on Necron, Human, and Eldar tech. These all combine into some horrifying amalgamation of all the best each faction had to offer
>>52031143>>52031212>AHAHAHA!https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/forerunner-feat-thread.236388/Forrunners are the slightly weaker sibling of the culture(which translates to them rapefucking everything in 40k as of now))
>>520311646 hours? Buddy it takes me 6 seconds.
>>52031300>a counter-argument>call me when the Flood have bio-titansNot him, but it sounded like you saw a post that actually considered both sides and decided it was an attack on your precious broodlord-kun.Which is par for the course on /tg/.>>52031406>Fragmented information to be sorted out by a being that possibly rivals TzeentchDoesn't matter when half the information is wrong, half of it is bullshit propaganda (such as the Uplifting Primer), half of it is conflicting with the other halves, and the last half is about how the Imperium can't educate its citizens for shit.
>>52031305>>52031395>yfw the only piece of infos the flood was able to get are from regimental-standard and the imperial infantryman's uplifting primer
>>52031406>will know all of the intricacies of Tau technology within one mind>the Tau have to devote an entire social caste to R&D>but all of their technological prowess is stored in the head of every single fire warrior
>>52031396That's like blaming humans for wanting to eat and breed.It's how you go about it not about what you want
>>52019533>2015+8-6>still /threading his own posts
>>52031472>Fuck this Galaxy is weak>Blunted claws? >But these Imperial Guard guys seem decent
>>52031472>flood decide the 40k galaxy isn't worth it after absorbing the collective consciousness of a war weary regiment fresh from purging a chaos planet made out of poop by eating it>collectively decide to purge themselves after accidentally ingesting a single slaaneshi/nurglite high sorcerer
>>52031415>SpacebattlesStop right there, anon, unless you want this to be a Culturewank vs Xeeleewank thread.
>>52029858>>52031266Apart from the supermassive autistic hole, this actually seems...surprisingly accurate. And non-wanky.
Lets talk about Shield Worlds.300 million km in diameter, a volume of roughly 7 septillion km^3 and boasted a habitable surface area of 255 quadrillion km^2 (some 550 million times the surface area of Earth). Assuming they were built from the start of the Flood-Forerunner War, the Forerunners would have to construct the structural equivalent of a Second Death Star every five minutes for 8000 years. That is 1,120,716 cubic kilometers of material per second. This is for one shield world. And there were many built. In secret. >>52031510If they eat enough of that R&D caste, they will know what each individual knew. Even if they ate 100 rocket scientists, they would know how to make a rocket because each one knew a part of making a rocket. Combine that, and you can recreate the technology
>>52031585It is hard not to be wanky when both sides wank themselves off at the slightest opportunity
>>52031604>all of the intricacies of Tau technology within one mind>one mind>100 rocket scientistsWhat did he mean by this? And where did those goalposts go?
>>52031620The one mind I was referring to was the Flood. It amalgamates all the knowledge from each person it consumes into itself
>>52031604Wasn't Onyx revealed to be hollow, though? Or am I mixing up my fluff again?>>52031644Sorry, my bad.
>>52031266>but against the Tau or Eldar, they'd have a fucking field day.Don't know about Tau but certainly not with Eldar - they are all weak (or strong) psykers and it is part of their senses. They will spot Flood corrupted individuals immediately. Where Imperium uses preventative measures Eldar can easily spot their enemies.
>>52021581I really want GSC to get scorpion tanks and NOD weaponry now. My next army is gonna be a brotherhood inspired GSC, cheers for the idea anon.
>>52031683It was hollow. But the sheer scale of the Shield world s practically indescribable. There is a star at the center of it and the inner surface acts as a Dyson Sphere. Even when Requiem fell into the star, its surface survives the temperature of the surface, massive electromagnetic forces, and a pressure 500 billion that of the surface of the Earth(or 6000 times the ultimate yield of our finest steel)As I maintain, this is very fan-wanky and does wonders to show how good the Flood are if they could beat a Civilization that could build multiple of these monstrosities.Also, thanks
>>52031415>forerunners>somewhere close to the cultureReminder that the Forerunners were defeated by Masterchief armed with some simple primitive guns.
>>52031798There was only one Forerunner in Halo 4 ,and the Master Chief was deus ex machina'd into winning by the ghost of another forerunner
>>52031754It wouldn't so much be the corruption of them, but the assimilation of knowledge that fucked up the Eldar. If all citizens of a craftworld have to be ready to serve as Guardians, they all likely know /something/ of interest - and think what would happen if they got their hands on an aspect warrior or, god forbid, farseer.>>52031798Anon, half this thread was about how vidya forerunners are a hilariously nerfed-to-a-microscopic-level depiction of book forerunners
>>52031784The Forerunners got defeated by basically an astronaut with an AK47.They're a very bad benchmark.
>>52031819>Anon, half this thread was about how vidya forerunners are a hilariously nerfed-to-a-microscopic-level depiction of book forerunners>muh book loreIrrelevant.Masterchief defeated all the might of the Forerunners with a fucking machinegun.The Forerunners are weaksauce.
>>52031406Where does it say that the Logic Plague can spread from individual to individual? Because I thought in order for someone to be corrupted by it they had to have contact with the Flood Gravemind.As well, I thought it took a long time for something to be corrupted. I mean it took Mendicant Bias 43 years.You also seem to be forgetting that in order for anything to be corrupted, they'll have to get near them at least. And as far as I know the Flood can't infect Warriors because they don't have biomass. What are the Flood going to use to fight the Necrons? They can't use anything from the Tomb World itself because they're completely sterile.
>>52031822They actually got defeated by space popcorn who hijacked all their AI & technology.
>>52031838>it's another "I GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT'S CANON" episodeI swear, if 40kids are going to start infecting the rest of the board with this shit...
>>52031838>Masterchief defeated all the might of the ForerunnersGo away Tau. You didn't kill Slaanesh.
>>52031850Were the Flood developed by Bungie?I forgot when the Halo story went to shit. I've only played Halo 1. I vaguely remember a friend going full-on ballistic-autistic how the story went to shit already in Halo 2 maybe 3.Halo 1 was still decent, kind of like a rehash of Marathon with a bit of Larry Niven.
>>52031842Mendicant Bias was only the first to fall to the plague and it sped up later on. I was mistaken about the spread. The individual actually needs to be infected for the other to get corrupted>>52031838And the miniatures of 40k are hilariously nerfed compared to the lore. Also, it was the might of 1 forerunner with the help of another forerunner and a couple well placed nuclear devices
>>52031819Don't see how it is different from what anyone in 40k can do with psykers. It is not as reliable as Flood consumption (some can resist) but many psykers can just rip the knowledge out of people heads. Inquisition uses it as a standard procedure for high ranking heretics if it has the time.
>>52031894The flood were hashed out in Bungie canon. I think the story started going to shit when Halo Reach retconned The Fall of Reach. However, Halo 3's story is basically a mix of Halo 1 and Halo 2, with the positives and negatives of both.
>>52031896>And the miniatures of 40k are hilariously nerfed compared to the lore. Also, it was the might of 1 forerunner with the help of another forerunner and a couple well placed nuclear devicesIrrelevant.How did Master Chief get so far? By shooting the pinnacle of Forerunner technology with some fucking space uzis.No wonder the Forerunners died so easily to the Flood, they can't even build some drones that can withstand the equivalent of a caveman throwing some rocks.
>>52019497Depends what number they show up in, once they hit a certain level they can fuck with space and time and other shit.If they cant infect tyranids, then tyranids stomp them with ease. Crons and Eldar could deal with them in most scenarios unless they became too developed
>>52031919Yeah, but the 1 psyker doesn't spread that info to all other psykers in the imperium. Also, would a Psyker be a good scientist if he took the memories of a scientist?
>>52031896Still though, how are the Flood going to fight the Necrons? They have nothing to infect on the Tomb Worlds, they're completely sterile. And let's not get into how the basic Warriors have weapons which destroys matter at a molecular level.
>>52031894They were given some development early on. Even the Forerunners were. One of the first things Guilty Spark told Chief was that his armor is shit tier compared to Forerunner civilian stuff,>>52031924He actually didn't really scratch them with his weapons. He more or less clicked a few buttons conveniently labelled "blow shit up".
>>52031943Don't forget they can basically reformat their own bodies if something goes wrong, given how they're essentially grey goo shaped like skeletons.
>>52031470That's a lot of halves
>>52023985Anyone who thinks tyranids are less impressive than the Flood does not understand either universe very well.
>>52031941>Yeah, but the 1 psyker doesn't spread that info to all other psykers in the imperium.Erm, he does? That's what astropaths are for.And if you mean technical information - reliable can be found only somewhere at magus level. Frankly most races in 40k have more tech than they can use or know how to operate. Which means it is worthless to Flood.
>>52031924>Yeah, we should throw the full might of the Forerunners at the main character. It'll be fun to see him dieAlso, your point is also irrevelant because the fluff is never going to live up to how anything is portrayed in the interactive media>>52031943If the flood managed to corrupt 1 necron with a gauss rifle, then it could quickly replicate the technology. Necrons probably aren't immune to being vaporized either
>>52031968He gunned down Prometheans, basically the Forerunners' attempts to make themselves Necrons. The Prometheans were meant to be the elites of the Forerunner army and their answer to the Flood before the Flood became too powerful.
>>52031992The psykers don't form a hive mind that that can interact together. Also, even a commissar has some useful info, even if it is how orders are to be super abusive to guardsman
>>52032002They became insane and weaker in the process. The plan was to digitize everyone but they stopped because it was super flawed.
>>52031993Uh no.That's like saying if North-Korea captures a US soldier and brainwashes them, they immediately learn how to produce US military bulletproof vests, frag grenades, M14 carbines and disgusting MRE's.
>>52032002Considering how Prometheans are a specific weapon meant to combat flood & a single Forerunner can mentally control millions of them, that's not much. He's fighting a weapon not designed to fight humans who're basically foot soldiers next to actual Forerunners.
>>52032039I hate shit like that. It's obviously lore that is cut down to fit game mechanics.
>>52031993They aren't going to learn anything from corrupting a basic Warrior. They aren't even considered sentient anymore.The only Necrons that actually know how their science works are the Crypteks, and it'd be incredibly difficult for the Flood to even get to them, seeing how most of them can teleport, freeze time, or fire lightning out of their hands. Their science is so advance it is literally magic.Like I said, the only way the Flood would gain anything from corrupting Necrons would be by corrupting the high-ranking ones. But that'd be incredibly hard to do because they'll have to get pass the legions of infection-immune war constructs.
>>52032044The soldier has a gauss rifle. He gives the gauss rifle to the flood. The Flood uses its super brain to reverse engineer said gauss rifle and arms its combat forms with them.
>>52032058That lore existed before Halo 4>>52032063The Flood were able to hack the universe just by getting smarter. If that isn't sci-fi magic, I don't know what is.
>>52032068>The soldier has a gauss rifle. He gives the gauss rifle to the flood. The Flood uses its super brain to reverse engineer said gauss rifle and arms its combat forms with them.>and then everycanman does everything!!!
>>52032020The useful info can be taken by psyker as well because it can fish for it specifically or rip the mind open and just throw most of it into trash. Though I still don't see how guardsman or commissar will give Flood a real advantage. If it can slip onto a battleship it may have chances to spread further. Though using warp without navigators will be hard. Unless it wants to deal with warp directly. But detection of the threat within first 3 systems is almost a guarantee after which it depends on how it is categorised. If more or less right it will be wiped out with chances for some pieces to slip through blockade. If threat level will be categorised wrong it can probably get a serious foothold. Long term prognosis is hard due to unknowns about its interactions with warp. Though I would like to see Flood consuming an ork and trying to replicate their technology.
>>52032133That is how I more or less thought this out. Most of my arguments are under the assumption that the Flood gets some level of a foothold in the 40k universe.Also, the flood could just absorb an astropath and possibly? gain the psychic potential of it. Hard to say, since Halo doesn't have psionics
>>52032186The Flood being such a singleminded and instinctive "must reach out and touch" entity, absorbing a psyker will just lead the Flood to getting possessed and being turned into some new demonic variant of the various biomechanical viruses that wander the Warp.40k already has all kinds of demonic Warp-based organic-techological diseases just like the Flood.
>>52032186>Also, the flood could just absorb an astropath and possibly? gain the psychic potential of it. Hard to say, since Halo doesn't have psionicsHard to say considering that 40k literally have souls which are a big part of being a psyker. Soulless creatures are blanks and while they break psyker powers they are even easier to spot than any corruption.
>>52032240It might be hard to possess the Flood as, being as smart as all of its biomass put together, it would probably have an indomitable will
>>52032273That prevents only mental possession. Physical is still very much on the table.
>>52032247This is an important point. Coming from a reality where there's no evidence of there being a "soul" per se, would the Flood have or lack a soul?
>>52032310Or would it retain all the souls of those it consumes?>>52032301Sorry, I don't know much about Warhammer possession
Orks would win, them boyz is 'ard
>>52032310That depends on who will be the author of the crossover.
>>52032273>It might be hard to possess the Flood as, being as smart as all of its biomass put together, it would probably have an indomitable willBeing smart =/= indomitable will.All the AI's in 40k had a really hard time resisting Chaos. It requires faith, conviction, blablabla, all these "human" concepts, which the Flood lacks.Chaos will take the Flood, rape it, and turn it in their own new bioweapon until the Bio branch of the AdMech develops an anti-Flood weapon, and Chaos will discard the Flood like a puppy along the side of the road.
>>52032334>Sorry, I don't know much about Warhammer possessionBasically Chaos can do to Flood what Flood does to everyone else while leaving it mind intact. Only being a psyker or blank can protect from it. And being a psyker is more of a resistance than an immunity.
>>52032357Like I said, I don't know much about possession so I can't really argue against that
>>52032357Despite that, the Necrons have found numerous non-AI methods of screwing Chaos over.
>>52032369That again brings to question if the flood becomes a psyker if it consumes a psyker and so gets resistant to chaos the more of them it eats
>Celestial OrreryWhat the actual fuck? Why do other races even bother?
>>52032401>That again brings to question if the flood becomes a psyker if it consumes a psyker and so gets resistant to chaos the more of them it eatsif it works like this Flood will just become another Tyranid.
>>52032404Because the Necron Dynasty that actually is in possession of it are basically their version of hippies and treat it as a zen garden.The other Necrons have tried to take it from them, but they've always been beaten back, so that means they're probably one of the more powerful Dynasties too.
>>52019497I'm guessing they'd be destroyed by chaos the moment they try anything warp related.
>>52032404>get drunk on nano wine one night>go down the wrong hallway>stumble against celestial orrery>blow up half the universeWhoops.
>>52019497I feel like if the Flood infected the Orks instead of getting smarter the Flood as a whole would end up getting stupider with every Ork it infected.
>>52032369Being a psyker also expose you to other things: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Enslaver
>>52032562>Diz humie gitz finks da boyz ain't da best
>>52032562More like it will go insane and commit suicide. Because the knowledge that it will take will be logically inconsistent.
>>52020719Only destroying a single galaxy? That's far too restrained for 40k writing. They've wrecked a dozen.Of course, the Tau will still defeat them, because they have the greatest plot armour in the setting.
>>52032044>disgusting MRE'sHoly shit, the norks can get WMDs that easily?>>52032240>>52032273>>52032301>>52032334>>52032357>>52032369Regardless of possession or not, I feel like the Flood possessing a psyker would have no other ending other than suddenlydaemons.webm, given how they need a shit ton of mental fortitude to withstand not assploding into warpstuff at any opportunity. Even a momentary gap before the Flood took over the skillset would end up with all kinds of fuckery.
>>52031510>>but all of their technological prowess is stored in the head of every single fire warriorReminder that according to the FFG Tau rules, a Fire Warrior can repair an upgrade a teleportarium even without being trained in tech skills, because he's open-minded.And pilots in Riptide suits are more agile than space marines in power armour.
>>52032683>given how they need a shit ton of mental fortitude to withstand not assploding into warpstuff at any opportunity.Fortunately, the amalgamation of thousands-millions of minds would likely have a shitton and then some.
>>52032768>not reading the sentence directly after your quote
>>52032786Couldn't quite parse it m8, sorry.
>>52032786It highly depends when anything happens. It's completely possible to only absorb a psyker after 100,000,000+ people in.
>>52032683How long is a moment for a billion+ organism?
>>52032801Basically getting a lot of psyker powers without already raised defences is like lighting a candle over a served table for daemons.
>>52032273Since it has no experience with psychic warfare wouldn't it be more likely to be extremely susceptible to it?
>>52032830Fair enough. It would probably learn about Psykers and the risks involved (given that such is part of standard indoctrination) before actually absorbing any (given that they're rare on civilian worlds.)
>>52032396because necrons aren't AI
>>52032768Not very likely, 40k has quite a few hivemind experiments, and they all ended demonically.
>>52032562Orks seem like a pretty nice counter to the Flood. They instinctively kill any Pro that acts un-Orky, which will prevent infiltration. Anyone trying to absorb tech or knowledge will figure out that all Ork tech is weirdly instinctual and nonsensical and only works in the hands of Orks. And Orks have been able to fight Nids to a standstill
>>52032851They're whatever the C'Tan wanted them to be. I miss the Pariahs.
>>52032865>what is the emperor
>>52032850> It would probably learn about Psykers and the risks involvedOnly if he eats one of the psykers or their handlers. Such information is not known to most imperial citizens.
>>52032833pic related>>52032865Isn't the Emperor technically a hivemind?
>>52032801>>52032818>>52032823>To clarify:The mental fortitude may be there, but the specific skill required is not. The Flood being able to assimilate the whole "Warp Safety 101" regimen instantaneously - like, with negligible time - is pretty absurd as a concept. Keyes fought for quite a while in the Halo CE novelisation before giving up his command codes, and I think a sanctioned psyker's willpower would at least be equal to his, even accounting for the HFY "I SHALL NEVER YIELD" trope. So, being given access to the warp without being able control it is a bad idea, no matter how fast you DO learn to control it. Plus, "m-muh supermassive hivemind" probably just makes the infected psyker an even tastier target for any daemons available at the time.
>>52032885Civvies know to stay the fuck away from psykers cuz weird shit will happen
>>52032850>standard indoctrinationIt would learn a whole lot of scary stories about witches and perhaps a phone number for the local inquisition exterminatus fleet (only call in case a baby with glowing eyes is born). It would be as unprepared as your average PDF trooper in the prologue of a black library book.
>>52032906Yep, and that's it. But nothing about particulars or what the defenses against chaos entail. Even psyker handlers don't know the methodics by which psykers defend themselves. For that you need to get to one of the schools or eat a psyker.
>>52032348Well, yes, but that's an important factor in terms of how the Flood would react to the 40k universe. What if it works like >>52032334 suggested? In that case they WOULD have an answer to Chaos by retaining the soul after devouring the daemon's corporeal body.If they DON'T have a soul, then any psyker would be able to detect them without any problems. On the other hand, psyker bullshit would be significantly less effective against them, and they may not be susceptible to possession at all. If they DO, then they would be much harder to detect (compared to a massive void in the warp, at least), but also be susceptible to warp fuckery. Thoughts?
>>52032941>>52032906This, desu. Again, the Imperium's autistic-tier Need-To-Know actually works in their favour again. Turns out that "the flood will mindfuck you" has largely the same counters as "daemons will mindfuck you", who would've known?
>>52032952If Flood retains the souls and psyker powers it becomes Tyranid 2.0 Shitty Version. Because it won't have at least one conquered galaxy at its back. If it is blank it can't use warp drives effectively and is stuck in the first system it arrives. At best it can use small jumps which means it will be wiped out a little less fast.
>>52032905The Flood do tend to allow people to stay for a longer time. The Prophet of Regret did.
>>52032952>If they don't automatically become super psykers they must be pariahs!no
>>52032974>who would've known?the Emperor that's who
>>52033020So, what part of my statement did you infer that from again?
>>52033020No, Flood arrives as normal soul having creature. But it supposedly can consume psykers and retain at least some of their powers. So in theory is has a chance to become really powerful.But one world probably doesn't have enough psykers for that.
>>52032987>Because it won't have at least one conquered galaxy at its backFloodcursor technology would change the playing field too much.
>>52032987>Tyranid 2.0 Shitty VersionHow? The Flood are arguably a weaker army, but a much more intelligent one. The Tyranids' strength is in their ridiculous, apparently never-ending numbers, which would not necessarily help them against an enemy that corrupts biomass. Their strengths are different, but not necessarily unequal.>Can't warp-jumpWhy? Culexus assassins travel in ships that use warp drives. Is there something I'm missing?
>>52033073If it arrives with all the technological knowledge and ready facilities than yes. It may level a playing field a little. Though it will attract immediate attention - necrons will stop beating around the bush and mechanicum will get out their DAoT toys, eldar too probably. Tyranid in this case will probably stop fucking around and will send a proper invasion fleet and not scout parties.
>>52033158Unfortunately, Precursor magic technology is even more than Forerunners whose industries easily exceed the Imperium. They'd be far worse than even the Forerunners.
>>52033120>Why? Culexus assassins travel in ships that use warp drives. Is there something I'm missing?You need a living navigator for that. And navigators can commit suicide with their own powers if the need arises. >The Tyranids' strength is in their ridiculous, apparently never-ending numbers, which would not necessarily help them against an enemy that corrupts biomass.If you think that you are already dead just don't know it. Tyranid is a single mind. Like Flood. Basically an incredibly powerful psyker with a body consisting of all the tyranids. What you see as non-intelligent is just the path of least resistance to the win - because it can reconsume killed creatures. For now it seems to mostly fuck around in Milky Way not even farming conquered worlds for biomass.
>>52033195Well Imperium has weapons that use time shifts and singularities. Most other factions have something similar in their arsenals.
>>52033195Precursor tech makes you a god
>>52033253Compared to the borderline magic the Forerunners had, only the WotH Necrons, Old Ones or people are around that level. According to the Didact, he thinks the only reason the Precursors died was because they wanted to lose.
>>52019497>Which faction, other than the necrons, would be able to beat those abominations?Any faction's go-to hero would defeat them after a high-tension fast-shooting space adventure.
>>52033300So if the Floof died it too wanted to lose?
>>52033315this guy gets it.buy the thrilling audiobook on Blacklibrary.com
>>52033226>Need a living navigator...So, what if they eat a navigator?>YOU'RE ALREADY DEADA bit on the melodramatic side, don't you think? Anyway, the obvious response to that is the Tyranids very rarely change their tactics, even when the chances of reclaiming expended biomass are minimal - i.e, when fighting enemies like the Necrons. So, if the Hive Mind is so strategically minded, why does it resort to a hilariously inefficient tactic when there isn't even an argument for it?
>>52033334The Precursors did & their remains spawned the Flood. The backstory had the Forerunners be butthurt over not being chosen by their creators & destroy the Precursors. The Precursors didn't care because their tech was so advanced that their civilization being destroyed can be brushed off. They had their remains form into the Flood & they controlled the Flood as a form of ironic revenge & spent tons of time trolling the Forerunners to death.
>>52033404>...So, what if they eat a navigator?If Flood is blank? Nothing. >So, if the Hive Mind is so strategically minded, why does it resort to a hilariously inefficient tactic when there isn't even an argument for it?So what did it lost in all these battles besides some scouts? Which considering that it has at least a galaxy at its back is less than losing a hair to a human. We don't even know what are its goals.Also in books Tyranid periodically uses its standard tactics to lull enemies into a false sense of security. After which a real attack happens.
>>52033503Strategy issue aside, you're actually right about the blank/navigator thing. Lost track of the argument, there.
>>52019566> Forerunners had to create literal doomsday devices to contain them40k would be fine almost every race have its version of that.
>>52033714Not on a galactic scale
>>52033741Necrons can blow up every star in the galaxy if need be
They're just carbon copy tyranids
>>52034044itt: anons either shitpost, or ignore the only vaguely balanced comparison the two swarms get in >>52029858 and >>52031266
>>52033315>Of course, If I'd known what was in that debris I'd have barricaded myself in Amberly's wardrobe with nothing but a cocktail stick for defence.
>>52033972They won't though, because the Necrons in charge of the Celestial Orrery are basically hippies.However, they might decide to blow up the systems the Flood are in because it'd be considered "grooming" their bonsai tree.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8-vdHpvoUJEThe gravemind is a combo of Nurgle, Tzeentch , and the Tyranids
>>52021218Is the Forerunner trilogy worth reading?
>>52034497((I'm the anon you were replying to))No. it's pretty meh and the forrunner triligy is a doorstopper.Your better off spending your hours reading something like worm instead.
>>52034497>>52034569To clarify, it is worth it if you have a BIG boner for halo lore
>>52032872Isn't that sort of the point of the orks though. I swear the old ones made them as a sort of checks and balances race so that no other race could dominate the galaxy
>>52021218This is really my problem with Halo as a whole. There are some good concepts in it, but they're buried under layers of internal contradictions and a massive imbalance between apparent and actual power. Halo 1 worked because the differences of scale and ability between you, the enemy, and the environment were clear, present, and crushing. You were a single lonely mouse against a horde of angry rats, and all of you were caught in a firing sequence of the Large Hadron Collider. Meanwhile the background material at the time only reinforced that desperation. Humanity was badly on the back foot, the Spartans were only sort of holding it together, and any mention of the Forerunner was a vague background element that only raised more questions.But now we're past Halo 5, human capital ships are Forerunner hybrid monsters that drop frigates like bombs, unaugmented marines are punching Elites around, and despite a new Forerunner superweapon popping up every ten minutes there's still no problem that can't be solved by a footslogger with an assault rifle. The new writers seem to have acknowledged that the Spartans' background and the murky moral swamp of the UNSC are the most interesting things in the canon, but every time they bring those aspects up they ruin them a little more.Or to put it another way, Halo is like a 100% playthrough of Fallout 3. It started out desperate and tense and evocative, but it stopped feeling like a challenge a long time ago and now I just want it to end.
op should make himself dead
>>52035406thank u 4 ur contribushun
Which faction is the covenant most like?
>>52036450The Tau.Collection of species? CheckLeader faction that holds themselves above everyone else? CheckMost races under them are just cannon fodder? CheckOne group gets all the fancy toys? CheckSilly religiousish motivation? Check
>>52036450>>52036716I agree but the mechanicom has a similar worship of old technology
>>52036450Somewhere between the Imperium & Tau. Just listen to the Covenant's reaction to Heresy.
Reminder that you will never make wedding rings like the Forerunners can.
>>52036984True but only towards ancient HUMAN tech (except for a few radicals). Tau will try and absorb any tech they don't know how to make (like their issues with human warp drives).
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>>52038897Female Primarch Asses
>>52038897nigga every thread gets archived these days
Reminder of female Primarch.
>>52032681>Of course, the Tau will still defeat them, because they have the greatest plot armour in the setting.Tau defeated that hive fleet because they figured out that fighting tyranids on the ground is stupid and torpedoes with antimatter warheads don't show up on tyranid "psychic lifeform-radar".
>>52041390Interesting. Seems like imperial navy needs to step up their game. After all they were to dumb to shoot at tyranids in space each time they engaged them. Someone must mention to them that boarding is a bad idea against tyranids.
>>52038925>>52039615Isn't she like 9 feet tall or something?
>>52027145Badasses in powered armour, that's the flood's weakness, especially if they have shotguns/battle rifles for the big guys and assault rifles/SMGs for the chaff.40k is full of bad asses in powered armour.
>>52041578>Badasses in powered armour, that's the flood's weaknessWell no, it's badasses in power armor who can stay alive long enough to activate ancient precursor technology able to delete all life in a hundred thousand lighyear radius.
>>52041652Sounds like a job for the Lamenters.
Halo. He's a pretty cool guy, eh kills aliens and doesn't afraid of anything
>>52035232That's because Halo ended at 3 and anything past that, ie 343, is fankwank fan fiction
>>52041809>Referring to him as Halo
>>52041809It's literally been 10 years.
>>52043239>being this new
>>52020901>Flood abilities as of now include but are not limited to: generating matter, blocking forrunner ships from usin ftl by "corrupting physics", "neural physics" and "star roads."I am glad I stopped playing halo after 3
>>52043341Christ it feels like an eternity ago.
>>52031088Calling doctor dumbass, they can. Forerunner planets were said to be totally consumed by the flood. Advanced forms quite literally form into enormous city length worms to become a Gravemind, which several of those become gargantuan bodies known as an Overmind.
>>52046243She is practically a midget
>>52046249She's a woman.
>>52046098So they're just like Tyranids, but smaller.
>>52019497>Another thinly veiled 'Why do [Halo Faction] dominate all other factions in [different franchise]?'Fuck me I thought 40kfags were insecure.
>>52046813I was OP and I have no doubt there are many factions that can overpower the Flood. I just wanted to know where it would stand in the rankings and what would probably happen if the Flood just up and appeared in the world of 40K
>>52046929I've seen half a dozen threads where some Anon tried to justify how a single UNSC ship could destroy Star Wars, Warhammer 40k, Star Trek, Mass Effect, and Eclipse Phase.If there was an honest discussion I'd welcome it, but just one post into this thread and we get>None of them, including the crons.fills me with doubt.
>>52046989And that anon I disagree with. The quality of discussion improved later on
>>52046259Even as a woman, a Primarch would have to be at least 7' even.
>>52046268Le sigh. Reminder:>>52029858>>52031266It's not even me, I'm just as fucking sick of seeing the "lel they're so copied" posts as he probably is.
>>52046929Good thing you put Flood & not Floodcursors. Floodcursors are too crazy.
>>52019497Depends on how popular their minatures are.
Just exterminatus them
>>52036716Technology of tauBut zealotry and religious batshit insane-ness of IoM.
>>52051681And the superiority complex of the Eldar
>>52032974Basically this. The flood's entire MO is "we're gonna corrupt your shit, turn it against you and there ain't much you can do to stop it". Well that's pretty much exactly Chaos' MO, except with Chaos they have the benefit of not existing inside of corporeal reality, being limited by any physics, and also being able to seduce people into willingly accepting their corruption. I can't imagine the Flood being able to do the Imperium anything that Chaos hasn't tried a million times, and that every level of Imperial society is designed to resist.
>>52052543They also have Tyranid tactics
>>52052630Probably the more dangerous of the two against the Imperium, but Pre Fall Eldar, Necrons, and Dark Age of Technology humanity were/are all roughly equivalent to the Forerunners tech base. I agree with the people that the Flood would be a threat for sure, but hardly anything super special compared to what already exists in the setting.
What if the Flood ate an Ork and the combat/infection forms got their own WAAAAAAH effect?>>52052658It starts small but it would def be one of the major contenders eventually as its biomass and intelligence grows
>>52052658What. Forerunners vastly overpower DAOT humans.They literally created factories that break down planets and stars that create planet sized superweapons of which only 7 are able wipe out all life in the galaxy. And they can be fired multiple times just fine. They can store entire artificial planets in slipspace and send these structures anywhere they want in the galaxy.The Flood were even more powerful than that due to their mastery of neural physics and were at the "fuck physics" in real space level.DAOT humans were powerful, but we really dont have that good of an idea of how powerful they were, but the things we do know, nowhere reach Forerunner level.
>>52052543They don't corrupt. They infect.Corruption implies that it only takes place in the mind of a vulnerable person. A flood form physically hijacks you and replicates itself to continue. They're completely different
>>52052796Don't forget that one of those superweapons, when built on autopilot millenia after the forerunners had died, took only a few years to almost be complete>>52052822They kinda do both. Mind rape and real rape
>>52052822they corrupted a super AI
>>52031993Necrons ARE immune to being vaporized. Their souls just get brought back to the tomb and put in a new body
>>52052927Tomb worlds probably don't have infinite building materials and more and more Necrons will be corrupted by the logic plague as time goes on
>>52052949The living metal I think grows over time, though I can't be sure. Also, the Crons already have something like the Logic Plague. Flayer Curse.
>>52019589If that power comes from a biological source or structure yes. Ie, taking a sorcerer over and gaining access to the magic through blood. Possibility even a wizard, as the flood steal memory from the host as well. They can even break down and overtake AI as well, proving not even the necron would be safe from them forever. Remember, it's not just the flesh they crave, it's the intelligence. If it's got smarts the flood hungers for it and given time it will devise a way to crack even the toughest nut to get it.
>>52053099The Flayer Curse, after reading about it for 30 seconds, doesn't seem incompatible with the Logic Plague
>>52053153Never said it was, just saying they already have something similar to deal with
>>52019566There has never been an indication that flood can corrupt machinery itself.Even during the forerunner wars, the fleets that the flood controlled used flood forms to fly the ships which was why the flood lost the final battle. Once the Halo arrays fired, the majority of the flood fleet became useless because the crew were killed.
>>52053169It is very different as the Flayer curse takes years to manifest and the infected still kind of help the Necrons by serving as body shields while the Logic Plague will turn the Necrons against each other
>>52053153Don't forget the Destroyer Curse. WHich makes a necron focused on killing, and nothing more. Killing is the only thing it thinks about. Forever, and always
>>52053219They corrupt the AI's that run things. That is what was probably intended
>>52032833In halo 3 a gravemind literally screams in your brain as it fights with Cortana. I think that constitutes at least some knowlage of psychic warfare. Never mind that each infection form must wage war with the mind of any host it takes. At least until the infection consumes them.
>>52053518It didn't really fight with Cortana. She probably lost instantly but was kept from falling off of the deep end to serve as a trap for the Chief
>>52053591By that I mean it instantly won in mental combat
>>52030941This should be the proper answer because it's sort of funny
>>52053219>There has never been an indication that flood can corrupt machinery itself.
>>52052716>What if the Flood ate an Ork and the combat/infection forms got their own WAAAAAAH effect?Not gonna work. "WAAAGH!" draws heavily from the mind state of those creating it. Basically to create such an effect you must think like an ork. And have ork buddies who think the same way.If Flood tries to think like orks it will fracture and turn back into orks that it consumed. If you use singular mind with powerful psychic presence you get tyranids not orks.