What is the dogma of the Cult of Rushmore?When the USA is dead and gone, what do the godlike figures represent?
They fought this guy.
>>51775926Immediately I thought of a comparison between the American Revolution and the Gods-Vs-Titans/Giants sort of myth.Long ago, the British ruled over the earth, then the Great Fathers rose up against them, and there was great thunder and bloodshed on a scale you could not even imagine. They drove the British far away to an island at the end of the Earth, and they made the land of the free, handing down the Constitution of Commandments to mankind, whom they had created in their image. Now they watch over us from the spirit world, but before they left they raised a mountain in the shape of their visages, so that we may see with our own eyes that they are indeed with us to this day.
I like this idea but i'm really bad at coming up with fluff for this kind of thing
>>51775977Looks lopsided. If the Native tribes do a ritual when it's finished will it wake up?
>>51775926>>51776033After the End
>>51776053If they do, we're all fucked.
>>51775926I mean, let's be honest, George Washington is a fucking saint compared to the founders of many other nations.George Washington - God of Freedom and LibertyThomas Jefferson - God of Self DeterminationTheodore Roosevelt - God of Protecting the Weak and Fair PlayAbraham Lincoln - God of Union, Loyalty, and Equality Franklin D. Roosevelt is best God though.
>>51776033good shit my manThis kinda thing combined with the cult of the archaeotech AR-15 could be cool stuff
>>51776053Yes, then it will get revenge on the white man, and build the world's largest casino in a day.
>>51776096Thanks. As a Brit is was quite fun to write. Maybe I'll run a game set in this world.
>>51776091>Theodore Roosevelt - God of Protecting the Weak and Fair PlayAnon, I like Teddy but don't pretend he wasn't involved in a lot of violent stuff, like the Spanish-American War, continued US occupation of the Philipines despite its desire for freedom, and negotiated a peace between Russia and Japan that allowed de facto control of Korea by the Japanese Empire. Teddy could easily be God of Courage, Daring, and Civic Service which more accurately reflect his life>>51776033I would only change that it was the men of America who raised up the mountains in their visage, so that their faces would not be unknown to later generations. The gods doing it themselves is too much hubris, and Americans love humble presidents
>>51775977>>51776080Maybe the monument of crazy horse is an effigy to the savage god of nature, life, and renewal and his worshippers are tribal marauders
>>51775926Cant wait till we see trump there beside them.
>>51776091Does that make Jefferson Davis a pagan god?
>>51776299God of War and Honor, justice
>>51776299I was thinking more so in the terms of him breaking up the trusts and such, but you have a good point. Courage, Daring, and Civic Service is much better. Perhaps nature God as well, since he established national parks?
>>51776392I like Daring, Courage, and Civic Service. He was a sickly kid and a goddamn wimp for most of his childhood, but powered through and became theTeddy we all know and love.Under Daring and Courage and all that honor stuff, we place hunting as well?Also-- Andrew Jackson, God of Revenge and War?
>>51776344God of Protection, Victory, and Fortune.
>>51776344Nah, it'd have to be here.
>>51776466Oh, that would fit very well for andrew jackson
>>51776299>I would only change that it was the men of America who raised up the mountainsThe reason I said it was the gods is because they might not believe it is possible for humans to do that. In the past is was quite common for people to think Megaliths and so forth were made by giants or cyclopses because there was just no way in their minds that humans could raise such stones.
>>51776466I don't think war is fitting for him.If there was a more chaotic term for it, maybe that. Strife?
>>51776593Remember though the mythology should still be distinctly American. The great Presidents are the ones who people memorialize as the ones who inspire others, so it's totally in line for their "worshippers" to build the monuments themselves. You could, however, attribute national wonders to them. Like claim the Yellowstone Caldera was the location of Teddy's fortress temple.>>51776492God of Protection and Victory is Eisenhower.
>>51776080>Indians making fucking millions, hand over fist from casinos>Still haven't fucking finished this thing Why is it that we have to pay for their heritage
>>51776669>tfw I'm British and that sentiment doesn't really resonate with meFuck, it's all true. Everything about us, it's all true!In any case, perhaps a massive fuckoff giant built the faces in honour of the presidents once they were gone.
>>51776913You break it, you buy it.
>>51776964Honestly this.I usually hate all that bleeding heart white guilt bullshit but if there is any group who has a legitimate complaint of being fucked over by the government since day one, it's America's Native population.
>>51776079You have good taste in CK2 mods.
>>51776536Zing!>>51776327He was the first born of the Primordial Earth and Sky, before the Presidents and before the British. He could transform, becoming a herd of stallions or a cloud and deceived the Pale Ones time and time again. Though he was killed, his daughter lived on. They Are Afraid of Her haunts the dreams of Americans, a vengeful spectre ready to strike.
>>51776941>Fuck, it's all true. Everything about us, it's all true!>tfw we Yankees appreciate Winston Churchill more than you ever did.
>>51776988Honestly, if you guys hadn't gone and revolutionised all over everything, they'd have a shitload of land between the Mississippi and the Appalachians, a humongously larger population, a tea addiction and free shitty healthcare.
What about american heros like this sneaky motherfucker?
Florida Man, local god of (idiotic) bravery and mischief.
>>51777100I will not pretend Manifest Destiny and what it lead to are bright moments in my country's history>show up on their shores, build houses on their land, and demand trade.>finally push them out of coastal area>then move into central area, kill most of them and relocate the rest to shit plots of land in nowheresville>then move to west coast where we finish what the Mexicans started and kill and relocate most of the ones there as well>spend the next century and a half killing and relocating any who won't play ball>they make next to nothing on reservations, offer them slightly more than nothing to come to Hollywood and play blatantly offensive caricatures of themselves>build pipelines and highways on their graveyards
Teddy was the God of the BIG STICKWow be unto those who trespass against him
>>51777143>florida man>not being God of filename related
>>51776299>Anon, I like Teddy but don't pretend he wasn't involved in a lot of violent stuff, like the Spanish-American War, continued US occupation of the Philipines despite its desire for freedom, and negotiated a peace between Russia and Japan that allowed de facto control of Korea by the Japanese Empire. Teddy could easily be God of Courage, Daring, and Civic Service which more accurately reflect his lifejust add that he only blesses those who are weak and enfeebled and it's perfect, something like the Captain America movie where only those who have had no power can truly appreciate it.
>>51776608>>51776740make Jackson god of change, have him be a pseudo trickster god whose petty revenges change things around, sort of like how Kali is a destruction goddess with the intent that destruction brings renewal.
>>51777300He would only "bless" them by giving them encouraging talks and driving them to go out and make something of their lives.Teddy's life was him being born sickly and saying "fuck that". He would want others to do the same, not rely on a handout.
>>51777335alright, so he is a patron of the sick, those who are ravaged by sickness or suffering but still choose to fight receive his most powerful blessings.
>>51777335For those especially weak he could do the placebo-effect blessing, you know, "the power was within you the entire time, I didn't give you any strength you didn't already have"
>>51775977>>51776080They are seriously going with this project?Jesus Christ... please tell me it's just a bad dream
This is the offical banner of the jacksonian sub-cult
>>51775926I imagine pop culture entities evolving into gods after subsequent generations get vague hints about their attributes from those who survived the apocalypse.>Cthulhu the sea god>Bruce Lee the mighty warrior>The Avengers (especially Thor, being a god already)>Quaker of the Oats, god of the harvest and earthquakes
>>51777357>>51777359>"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."Teddy would be kinda like a nicer version of Crom from Conan. You don't pray to him or ask him for favors. You earn his approval simply by grabbing life by the horns.
>>51777184I like how we can tie this into the parallels with Greek mythology that we are going for.>Native Americans are akin to the titans, ancient beings in tune with the chaotic natural forces>we have taken their land from them and made them subservient, our old prejudices have caused our ancestors to persecute them and their children for crimes, both real and imagined.>Worship for them has resurged as cultures change and they are less vilified>new age customs involve making sacrifices (mostly monetary) to them as atonement for crimes against their ancestors.>some orthodox sects still believe they should be persecuted and have declared them and their gods deceivers and tricksters who seek only to steal our hard earned wealth.
>>51777430I like the idea of postapocalyptic white people thinking the natives are magical, with all their dream-catchers and medicine men and spirit dances, being in tune with nature. It reminds me of Norse Sagas, which often referred to Finns in a mystical context, because their religion was strange and shamanistic. Some Finns even sold knots to Norse sailors that would supposedly cause the wind to blow properly when you untied them.Native Americans exploiting the white people's belief in their magical powers and offering their services as travelling witch-doctors, exorcists and healers sounds great.
George S. Patton should be the war god>No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country, you won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country>Americans love to fight. All Americans love the sting and clash of battle. >Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser>We're not just going to shoot the bastards, we're going to rip out their living goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy hun cocksuckers by the bushel-fucking basket.dude was a legit fucking psychopath.
>>51777535The war god was reincarnatedHe was so raucous and violent that the grave could not keep him.
>>51777535>Americans love a winner>will not tolerate a loser>>51777604>"I'm going to bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.">"We're not just going to shoot the bastards, we're going to rip out their living goddamned guts"Jesus Christ!
>>51777520>white people thinking the natives are magical, with all their dream-catchers and medicine men and spirit dances>Native Americans exploiting the white people's belief in their magical powers and offering their servicesAnon that's all actually happening right now. Turns out self-hating whites make great marks
>>51777637Well, that sort of thing's always going to be happening, but in a postapocalyptic world where everyone's gone back to oogaboogaing their way through life and blaming juju for their woes, it's going to intensify a thousandfold.
>>51777604>>51777634this works perfectly, those who receive Patton's slowly lose their rationality as they are consumed with conflict and violence.
>>51777604No anon, because Patton actually served his country during times of war
>>51777718Patton is less of a god and more of an epic figure like Achilles or Odysseus.An extraordinary man who went above and beyond during a time of great strife, but ultimately undone by a tragic flaw.
>>51776379Jefferson Davis was a priest who sought to become a God himself by aligning the states of man Into worshipping him, and he succeeded in corrupting 11 before he was struck down by Lincoln, who freed the dark skinned people's he had enslaved. When Davis died, his blood spilled on the earth and gave birth to Him Crow, the devil of corruption and Tyranny. Jim Crow gave the Traitor Booth a magical gun enchanted with native magic which he used to assassinate Lincoln, who in his final breaths cursed the south to one year of strife and poverty for each state that had betrayed the Constitutional Commandments
>>51777767This makes a lot more sense actually. It could also be in the mythos that he was reincarnated as trump but I could take or leave that part
>>51777843>>51777767The Curse of Hickory passes down the generations, and always leads one man to greatness, but also madness. This was Jackson's punishment to man for rebuilding the Banks after he destroyed them
>>51777843Egh, I think a lot of the parallels are being forced here.Patton had a sort of brash charisma to him. Even people who didn't like him admitted he was a respectable and competent leader. The only reason Ike took him off the front was because he started actively terrorizing his own troops. Something came loose in the guy during those last few years. Trump, for all his talk, isn't actually that blunt. He's a skilled manipulator who's really good at saying exactly what he needs to get the results he wanted. Patton sometimes spoke before thinking. Everything Trump says is calculated, even if sometimes it doesn't seem like it.
This topic reminded me of a thread from years agoLost the screencap, thankfully it got archivedhttp://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/10759751/
>>51777718>No anon, because Patton actually served his country during times of warNice.
>>51777604I remember that he also believed in reincarnation, I believe he was asked about a historic battle some time. >Before the 1943 invasion of Sicily, British General Harold Alexander told Patton, “You know, George, you would have made a great marshal for Napoleon if you had lived in the 19th century.” Patton replied, “But I did.”
>>51778073>Born: November 11, 1885, San Gabriel, CA>Died: December 21, 1945, Heidelberg, Germany
>>51775926>the US dies>the natives preserve their culture>the descendants of the white Americans start worshipping Mount Rushmore>the natives loose their shit
>>51778073Entirely possible he was being cheeky. At the same time, he does strike me as someone who believes in some eternal "Warrior's Spirit" kind of thing. Guy very well could've seen Rommel as some kind of spiritual brother.
>>51778063What's the difference between Donald Trump and Agent Orange?Agent Orange went to Vietnam
>>51778120He was pretty crazy, admittedly all I know about him comes from the movie.
>>51778195He lived and breathed for warfare. He was a true general, and he was a little out there. The movie is pretty close to the mark in terms of who he was as a person, though obviously exaggerated. Patton really is one of America's most fascinating figures. He was all the good things and the worst things you could have in a leader rolled into one lean, green, war-winning machine.Honestly it's probably almost a mercy he died after the war ended. Who knows how he would've handled peace time. But at the same time, Korea might've turned out different if he had been there.
>>51778058Whoever made this thread did a much better job of developing on his ideas than I did lol
>>51778259>Korea might've turned out different if he had been there.Hard to say. Truman was pretty paranoid about Russia getting openly involved. China by itself was able to through enough bodies to stalemate the US army and Russia was arguably better armed than the US.
>>51776492God of Fortune and Protector of Builders.Trump was the last Father to ascend to the halls of the Founders and the last great leader until the collapse of the Old Union. He defeated an evil harpy that threatened to destroy the Union and, with the help of a renegade Brit by the name of Farage, he built a great wall to stop the southern barbarians, and kicked them back to their lands.Sadly, after 16 years of great prosperity, his reign was cut short by the Yellow Scourge, who attacked the Old Union and caused the Time of Great Fires, wich ended the Union and created the world we know today.
>>51775926Our gods are Plastic and Neon.Our temples have drive through.
>>51778554Any other time my libtard ass would be triggered as shit, but I only semi-ironically like the idea of Nigey being seen as a Prometheus-like figure; the rest of the Brits punished and exiled him for his "crimes", but he inspired the Final Father
While some of the Old Gods have dealt favorably with the New Gods, The Auto Barons and Conclave of Consumer Electronics, for example, have colluded to further each of their power.Others have fallen on hard time in the wake of changing whims of Zeitgeist. The Consciousness of the Networks has shrunk before the Social Media Collective.In this enviroment, the paragon, The Donald, seeks to finish off the desiccated remains of the networks and cast them from their once vaunted seat amongst the gods of America.
>>51778773It's sad that you think that.
What god was he
>>51778259>Korea might've turned out different if he had been there.Korea would have turned out much better if MacArthur was dead. But Patton inna Korea? That would be interesting as hell.
>>51778941Maybe the Anglicans in the US (the Episcopalians) could be seen as not just heretics but demon-worshippers, their own religion maybe even evolving into a worship of the Brits or the English royalty.
>>51779109I don't get why people think Patton would've been interesting in Korea. It's a goddamn peninsula, all you can do is go up, and you can't cross the Yalu river or else the Chinese would've enlarged the war. If that had happened the US would've had to commit so many troops to Korea it would've weakened their ability to respond to a surprise Soviet attack in Germany. No bombing of China, limited nuclear weapons and only in Korea, and no crossing the Yalu. Truman was the president and wouldn't have let a general start world war 3 over Korea in a manner not advantageous to the US. Patton wouldn't have been able to do anything about it, since Truman was willing to remove MacArthur from his command and he was just as well respected as Patton. Granted, it cost Truman re-election, but the biggest difference in the war with Patton in Korea would've been the whole peninusla under US/ROK controlAt best US Army forces could've been more prepared, more strongly reinforced, and more well deployed after rolling back the Norks to resist Chinese Volunteer Forces.
>>51779109Korea probably would have turned out much the same, locked in a stalemate with China.
He died for your sins
>>51779370and so did this one, but no one remembers him
>>51779418Just wrote an essay on him actually. Destiny of the Republic is a good read
>>51779418But everyone knows this one>KennedyGod of the Future, Flight and the Young>GarfieldI don't know>LincolnGod of Emancipation, Union and Honesty
>>51776091>Not making Old Hickory the god of aggression, love, cheese, thrashing and dueling
Ulysses S. GrantUnderrated president.
>>51779473Forgot MckinleyGod of Empire, Industry and Transition from the Old Ways
>>51779107God of conquest and destiny
>>51777427>TR the Ameri-CromAPPROVED.
>>51778120Dude, this is a guy who wanted to drive out to the middle of the desert, each in their own tank, and have a man-to-man pistol battle with Rommel. Failing that, drive straight through Berlin, and once finished with Germany, drive the Soviets all the way into the PacificDamn straight he thought of him as a brother.
>>51778073He believed that not only had he fought for Napoleon, he had had fought as one of Scipio Africanus' legionares, and as a Crusader at Acre.
>>51779674So, basically, /tg/ if we smoked weed playing wargames.
>>51779493Don't forget his followers have an amazing hate of any type of banking institution.
>>51779855>Fucks banks>Fucks injuns too
So who is your patron president?
>>51779674What was even his religon
>>51779892Christian. He just didn't put much faith in the doctrinal side of things but he was noted to read the Bible nightly. Maybe he knew something, he famously had a prayer written for miraculous weather to allow a counterattack during the bulge and the weather cleared.
>>51776344Nah, trump will be opposite of crazy horse, pointing back at it. Both monuments will say "you have to go back"
>>51777115>hero>Francis Marion HAHAHAHA.
>>51779980>Implying the Wall won't be the most lasting and greatest contribution to the American future in recent generations.
>>51780022EISENHOWER WAS A SISSY
>>51775926"Daddy, who were the men on the rocks""Well,son, they were the gods who fought against great demons and granted us freedom. The one on the left is the Pre-si-dent of the Gods called George of the Washingtons. They fought against the great demons of the Britahns and drove them across the great sea. They gifted us with the fire-shooters and demand our gratitude in return. They returned back to the Heavenly white house, when the evil one Jefferson Davis usurped their control, when the great warrior Abrahahm Lincoln stood against them and rose to heaven. Jefferson Davis was punished to the pits of Fort Monroe, where he was locked in a cell which went smaller and smaller.
>>51780199"But daddy what about the others:
>>51780379"That's another story for another time. Now, go to your warrior practice. The savage barbarians from the Muhtana Nomads might attack. "
>this whole thread>no Sciontg I am disappoint. It's like you don't even follow in the steps of the demigod John Henry the Human Steam Hammer and work with your hands to make greatness, and honour Uncle Sam, Father of Patriotism.http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Yankee
>>51781081>honourGet the fuck outta here redcoat. Tea belongs in harbors, not in cups
>>51777424>meme magic becomes real
>>51777184More like>Disease from contact with euros spreading naturally through a population with no immunity, coupled with low birthrates, a small population of mainly hunter gatherers, and miscegenation with settlers leading to widespread population decline, therefore leaving mostly empty land for pre-Revolution colonization
>>51781126Canadian. Our first PM was a sad drunk, we like your deification and blatant disregard of negative human qualities of your Founding Fathers.
>>51776091>Franklin D. Roosevelt is best God though.That's not how you spell Madison.Guy is the father of the bill of rights and Constitution.
>>51779891Polk.God of Manifest Destiny
>>51779891William Henry Harrison.
>>51777424Funny thing about this is that Japanese/weeb otaku culture technically already does this. Those figures and waifus are practically just another form of shinto animism.
>>51781812So a god of disease?
>>51779533He was a pretty terrible president.Pretty good general though.Though he's no Sherman
>>51781686>blatant disregard of negative human qualities of your Founding Fathers.We have Ben Franklin jokes for that.
>>51781912Tell me more.
>>51781962As well as promising beginnings which are then quickly snuffed out. The very avatar of futility and ill fate.
>>51781768>MadisonMy nigger. One of the single best Presidents in U.S history. Guy deserves more recognition than he gets.
>>51776033>>51776091New headcanon for while I'm playing after the end>>51776299Well, this is the post apocalyptic future where people only have the very cleaned up, glorious legends rather than the much more complicated truth
>>51776740Jackson is American!Ares. Kinda an insane, petty ass but still important
>>51779031I started the post as a joke, then I googled drive through church to find a picture.
>>51782197There are aparently quite a few.
>>51782215Also Drive In church is a thing.
>Nixon becomes American!LokiMAKE IT HAPPEN /TG/
>>51782316Tricky Dick did nothing wrong
>>51782316>Not remembering the ancient myth about Tricky Dick's Wet 'n' Wild Water HeistNonbeliever detected
>>51775926"the warrior known as Roosevelt slew the mighty but decadent demon known as the Span-eesh and cast down their empire of gold and farm. When he became Pre-is-dent he fought against the evil mo-polies and tore them into many pieces. When the great evil demons across-the-sea tried to strike him down he raised a great white fleet and sailed it across the world to strike fear against the demons-across-the-sea. When the people from the sun-land and they-who-lies-with-bears fought Roosevelt brought them both together and ended their conflict with peace for both sides"
>>51775926"He who first touched the moon-star, Neil Armstrong."
>>51782639Monopolie, the demon of greed and corruption.Spaneesh, the demon of pride and hubris, the last son of George of the Red Coat.These and other demons did Roosevelt vanquish. He who tamed the Bull Moose and Roughly Rode it to victory. Was it not his very son who unlocked the power of the Smallest Thing, ATOM, and rained down it's wrath upon the sun-men and nahtzees when they threatened to plunge the world into eternal darkness and communism?
Where does our boy Lafayette fit in this panteon?Guy was one of America's greatest heroes and adopted son of George Washington
>>51782873A Hercules-esque tragic figure
>>51781996>>Ben Franklin>>Banged bitches and controlled Lightning>>Really Zeus in disguise
>>51777836>h he used to assassinate Lincoln, who in his final breaths cursed the south to one year of strife and poverty for each state that had betrayed the Constitutional CommandmentsLincoln/Kennedy are death gods in the Osiris/Baldur sense.
>>51777836There were once two generals who served under the gods and were closer to them than most; they were paragons of strength and ability, and under their command were legions of steel defenders who bore their name. These generals were the best of friends, yet under the cruel maccanations of Jefferson Davis, were forced to fight against each other in the great war of states; Robert Lee and Ulysses Grant, Lee being the one who fought under Davis, not because he worshipped him, but because he was sworn to defend his state, which had fallen to the mad priest. The two fought bitterly against each other until Lee could fight no more, attempting to keep the conflict as civil as possible, leading to its name "The Civil War". Though fighting for the side of the right, Grant found fighting his friends taxing, and when the war ended he took the burden of godhood that Jefferson Davis so craved and used his powers to ensure such an event would never happen again. Their steel armies are said to still exist somewhere, awaiting to be commanded once again.There was a third, lesser-known general who controlled his own beasts which breathed jets of flame. His name was Sherman, the general of fire, and he baptised the 11 states in order to cleanse them of their sins.
Tell me the story of the Little Man and of the Fat Man again, elder.
>>51783133You mean the little boy and the fat man?
>>51781976There was no Sherman presidency. There was some candidates named sherman and the guy who marched to the sea though i guess
>>51782795>>51783133Remember little one, the first Roosevelt was Roosevelt the Warrior, the second Roosevelt was his cousin, Roosevelt the Free.Roosevelt the Free or sometimes known as Eff-Dee-Arr first led the free people through a chaotic time known as the Great Depression where people ate shoes and lived in great squalor. So great was the suffering that an entire generation lived without hope. Eff-Dee-Arr lifted the people with his New Deal and helped the land grow prosperous and happy. However at the same time dark clouds grew in the lands of the demons as a lesser demon known as Hit-Lr rose to prominence. Hit-Lr and his fellow demons like Muss-Lini and the Joe-Ironman preyed upon their fellow demons desires, overthrew the ruling demon castes and made everyone worship them. For Eff-Dee-Arr this was troubling but for the people, the dealings of the demons-across-the-see were not of his business and peace continued. >Hit-Lr - Deutschland>Muss-Lini - Eta-Li>Joe-Ironman - they-who-lies-with-bearsWhen war came, it was not from Hit-Lr or from the land of the demons, it was from the Sun-Land.
>>51783799Eff-Dee-Arr or Roosevelt the Free had dealings with the people of the Sun-Land. The sun-people had invaded the crumbling ruins of the Celestial empire and threatened all of Asia. Roosevelt asked them to stop but was rebuffed. Undaunted Roosevelt decided cease trade with them. This caused the sun-people great distress and they tried to negotiateAs they talked, the sun-people launched their great fleet and burned the free people's armada to the bottom of the Harbor of Pearls. So devastating was this act the free people demanded that Roosevelt take revenge. Facing a war on multiple fronts Roosevelt decided that a pact must be made with the ladt unconquered people living in the land of the demons-across-the-sea.
>>51783876With the pact made with the last unconquered people, Eff-De-Arr went to work, directing the free people to create a great armies, armadas and airforces of the republic.So great was their work that peoples in other lands went into battle with weapons made and supplied by the free people. For the people living in the land of the demons-across-the-sea, their darkest hour was at hand. The Britahns were near defeat. The Fyhrech were all but conqured. Other lands held in darkness by Hit-Lr and his armies. Once the Britahns were smothered to the point they could not fight back, Hit-Lr turned his attention to the unsuspecting Joe-Ironman and smashed his armies into the land of they-who-lies-with-bears.Knowing full well the power of Hit-Lr and his corrupted land would be capable of, Eff-Dee-Arr turned his attention to the power of Atom. Taming the power of atom was no easy feat and Eff-Dee-Arr entrusted a little known warrior known as Groves and a teacher called OPen-Heimer.Through their quest they obtained a portion of Atoms power and made Three sons, Trinity, Little Boy and Fat Man.
>>51777184See what I love is that the Natives living on reservations weren't considered US Citizens until 1924, and yet they still had the fucking balls to draft them during WW1! What the shit?!
>>51782873>>51782886A demi-god from a pantheon that opposed the British?
>>51781361>Totally not our fault!>I swearWhy Americans are still trying to white-wash themselves from this shit?You fucking relocated half of native population, killing the other half in the process and then made sure to keep them low and far away from home, always surprised that they are angry and don't like you at all.
>>51776996How good? I'm currently in a Westeros game right now. Want to be a tribal conquerer of my home state.
>>51776913Maybe because it's not only build against will of any tribe still in existence, but also without a single cent from them? It's literally white men consolidation award, only made against the will of people who are going to receive this "gift".Think about it - you get fucked by entire generation of white men and in the end they build you a statue.That honors a single guy from single tribe.By carving down a fucking MOUNTAIN, which was sacred to another tribe.We are talking about a situation when someone rolls into a fucking cathedral, demolish half of it and puts a guy made out of colourful balloon in the middle of it, while saying "hey, how are you enjoying our gift?"That's fucking first-class barbarism.
>>51782055Well...you're not wrong.
>>51784348Very good. I'm constantly trying to scheme and murder my way to the top of ROTK California. Guru Hubbard guides me rightly.
>>51784004So the Old Union had grown in strength and wisdom - to the point that they not only forgave their old gods of the Redcoat pantheon, but even aided them in their hour of need - although they were forced to make offerings to the capricious "demons" of Joe-Ironman as well.I really, really fuckin like this
>>51784347Fuck offNo one wants /pol/ debates here, we just want to build a cool setting
>>51784585>Cool setting>It's yet another thread where Americans cry about lack of history and culture of their own, desperately trying to make oneYou were saying?
>>51784585>No one wants /pol/ debates hereFunny, because that's what makes half of this thread
>>51784591But we're not crying about a lack of culture and history of our own. We're celebrating it and making a goofy post-apoc offshoot of it. I totally agree with you re:US treatment of natives, but this isn't the thread for that.
>>51784628>W-we are totally not trying to give our lack of culture some buff>T-totally not building here mythology, because we envy rest of the world
>>51784821>thinks that a random thread on 4chan is going to "give americas lack of culture a buff">doesn't understand that the majority of the thread is supposed to be over the top propaganda from the poat apocalypse
>>51784821>because we envy rest of the worldSo all the posts by the Brit who was in the thread at the start are just him being envious on behalf of Americans?
>>51777100"they"You mean the 50+ constantly warring tribes that occupied that territory? Sure.
>>51784907The Five Civilised Tribes were already in the process of absorbing the others just like tribes in colonial Africa did successfully later on. If British rule had lasted longer they would have eventually fallen under British administration and no bloody coloured wossnames are gonna go round disturbin' the king's peace, I can tell yer.
>>51776988>>51784907The Natives are technically in the same boat as the Confederates in regards to "I want to be an independent country but am not allowed to be as that would weaken NA", so it's easy to sympathize with them. The reason that both had to be annexed was because their existence would erode the US's ability to effectively defend itself from foreign interests.
>>51777965I'd have agreed right until I say that press conference the day before yesterday. Jesus christ.
>>51779892War, I mean really do you have to ask? Honestly I'm pretty sure Mattis is cast from the same mold so things could be very interesting in the next few years.
>>51776327Or do the twist. Rushmore worship is savage, while Crazy Horse's generates a monotheistic moralistic cult.
>>51785233>crazy horse>moralisticHe's lionized as a martyr but that nigga had his name for a reason
>>51777100Canadians murdered all their indigenous people. If you think what Americans did was bad you're in for a treat
>>51784821>no cultureAlright, I'll bite. YOU try developing a long national mythology with only 200-plus years under your belt, in a world where the only people who ever took you seriously are the ones you shot or bombed.Never mind how many peoples have changed so drastically since then that they really can't call themselves the same culture anymore.
>>51782081Probably the worst house keeper out of them though. 1812 the war Canadians say America lost, American thinks they won, and Britain doesn't give a shit about.
>>51785243That is why I said it is a twist.
>>51785632You have UFOs, men in black, various cryptids, fucktons of conspiracy theories, and so on. That counts as mythology.
>>51784591>The picture he was cleaning showed an armored figure standing in a desolate landscape. It had no weapon, but held a staff bearing a strange, stiff banner. The visor of this figure’s helmet was entirely of gold, without eye slits or ventilation; in its polished surface the deathly desert could be seen in reflection, and nothing more. This warrior of a dead world affected me deeply, though I could not say why or even just what emotion it was I felt. In some obscure way, I wanted to take down the picture and carry it-not into our necropolis but into one of those mountain forests of which our necropolis was (as I understood even then) an idealized but vitiated image. It should have stood among trees, the edge of its frame resting on young grass.
>>51785947>US increased in size by a third>Lost
>>51785266Canadians are worse than anyone. Why do you think we sent them over there in the first place?
>>51785947I don't think any American cares. The white house thing is just something canadians bring up when they feel insecure about being relevant (apparently doing a thing 200+ years ago makes you relevant today)
>>51776608I'd probably have him be the "lawful evil" version of Teddy. Maybe Andrew Jackson, God of Blood and Tears.
>>51786571I do like how Canadians are always smug, even though they are equivalent to starting a game on easy mode.
>>51777535>Not Chesty Puller
>>51777604>comparing a draft dodging chump to Patton Trump supporters everyone
>>51784881>Missing the point this hardIt's a wet dream all Americans have so badly - to create their own myths, their own history and their own culture(s). That's precisely why we have neverending string of threads where they are trying to make feudal America, folk heroes and shit like this thread. Yearning for things they never had and are salty all the time. Even stuff like capeshit comes from this yearning.And it's also super-easy to trigger salty burgers by just mentioning a chair older than their country.
>>51787119are you implying that american folk lore isn't our mythology?Why are you eurocucks so insecure about the fact that our folk lore is younger than yours? Are you upset that after several decades of gaming based on Welsh, Celctic, Norse, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, and all other eurasian mythologies maybe we want to explore one that is rarely used?
>>51786989Trumpettes need to be purified with fire
>>51787307>IndianI wish we had more of that
>>51781081>things that you are>my nigger>my brother>man of good tastePick three
>>51782197>>51782215>>51782233Is this from a comedy movie?
>>51786332I'd be fine with the white house burning again if it meant that much more territory. It seems like a fair trade.
>>51784347>Why Americans are still trying to white-wash themselves from this shit?Have you ever been in an American public school? Every History class is constantly "White people are evil, we took the native's rightful lands, you can never live down the evils of being white hate urselves"And I say this as someone who went to school in 3 different states, in the North and South. American education is crazily obsessed with trying to foist this concept of original sin on white people.
>>51784403Horselord of Thunderland and soon Superior. Richest empire, bane of the Norse and the Gaians.
Who knows, a curious testament to an eons dead race
DO NOT ENTER THE WASTES!SEEK NOT THE GREEN CITY OR THE LAKE OF SALT!ATTEMPT NOT TO LEARN THE WEAPONS OF THE FIRE SPIRIT "THE BROWN MAKER"TRY NOT TO READ THE RUNES OF THE WIZARD "FIE-LOW'TDO NOT INSULT THE GREEN JELLO POWDER AND FUNERAL POTATOES!
>>51784347>>51789172It wasn't quite as bad for me, across two states I mostly learned 'some bad stuff happened far in the past, this wasn't good but it's long over now'.I'll be the first to admit that America has had bad conduct in the past, but I'll be damned if anyone tries to hold anyone alive today accountable for it.Also, clash of civilizations happens. If you can't defend your territory and are technologically inferior. Well, sorry but law of the jungle says that eventually someone is going to come along and push you out of your land. It's hardly unique to the native/settler conflicts.
>>51787119Chink-flavoured britbong here: what the flying fist fuck are you on about?I'm here, and I'd imagine that a fair few others are too, for the idea of creating a mythology, burgerwank or not. I'm not trying to compensate for some fucking lack of mythology - honestly, I'd imagine the Far East has far more interesting and diverse shit than the constant Greek, Roman or Norse shit you probably jack off to before you go to sleep - I'm wanting to see how modern society would, in the future, be (mis)interpreted as mythology.Admittedly, the American spin on it is probably the most commonly (over)used version, but I don't mind it in the slightest because it was a fucking cool idea in A Canticle for Leibowitz and it's a fucking cool idea to this day. I'm just as interested in the worship of God-President Washington as I would be in stories of the ground spirits who emerge to slaughter any unwary enough to travel through the land that used to be the Korean DMZ, or as I would be in the legends of the mighty Ar-babs who raised a vast temple of steel and glass from lifeless desert. Assuming that the idea exists purely to make up for the objectively true fact that Amerifats have less culture than a tub of yoghurt is a ridiculous level of projecting that should stay on tumblr, /pol/, or both.
>>51789443>the Far East has far more interesting and diverse shit thanIt's ok weeb he didn't mean that much by it.
>>51789654>Chink-flavoured britbong>Chink>something something nanking joke>weebI Have Never Looked At A Map In My Entire Life: the post
So, ignoring the people attempting to derail the thread with some whining, I personally think that Las Vegas would end up becoming an even worse den of sin than it already was, worshiping ancient celebrities.Also, don't go to LA. If the violent bandit-tribes don't get you, the feral beasts from those 'Zuhoos' will.Also, what're the odds of Hollywood having pseudo-royalty that brag about being descended from "Tom of Cruise" and "Schwarzen-Arnold," heroes of 'ancient stories.'
>>51789443>>51789904>Greeks write tales of mortals serving or defying gods, killing monstrous creatures, founding or warring kingdoms>Chinks write tales of a little monkey going to India>and that's all you have because your Great Leader had an autistic shitfit and decided to destroy all the rest Cry more, teafag, I bet you think you won the Boxer Rebellion too
>>51789904:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDnice one dude!
>>51789408>If you can't defend your territory and are technologically inferior. Well, sorry but law of the jungle says that eventually someone is going to come along and push you out of your land.Doesn't mean it's not a bad thing when it happens though. And "technologically inferior" is a bit off the mark. The only technological edge the Europeans really had was guns, and most Natives got their hands on those really damn quick. The Natives lost because disease wiped out so many of them they lost any numerical superiority they might have had at the start. >It's hardly unique to the native/settler conflicts.Thing is poor treatment of America's Natives never stopped even after they got relocated. They've been fucked over constantly. Even today. I'm usually all for expanding energy infrastructure but that pipeline is like building a fucking Wal-mart in the middle of Arlington. At the very least most present day tribal leaders are smart enough to see right through white-guilt whiners trying to exploit noble savage tropes for political reasons.
>>51789443Trying to salvage something out of the shitpost here:>ground spirits who emerge to slaughter any unwary enough to travel through the land that used to be the Korean DMZ>a vast temple of steel and glass from lifeless desertThese are actually pretty decent ideas, actually - how'd they fit into a post-apocalypse mythos?
>>51789408On the contrary, the natives weren't significantly technologically inferior, at least military-wise by the time they were finally taken over. More than anything, it was the 50+ tribes' lack of ability to cooperate, and the states' ability to cooperate that ultimately sealed the fate of the former.They had guns and cavalry and artillery and were organized like an at the time modern military.
>>51791678This. It's a common trope for most of the American conquest.The Aztecs weren't defeated because the Spanish had better technology. They were defeated because every other tribe and city-state in the area thought they were dicks and united with the Spanish against them.
>>51789209CAST DOWN THE HORSE LORDS.CAST DOWN THE PAGANS. CAST DOWN THE CHRISTIANS AS WELL.BEGIN A NEW CENTURY, GUIDED BY ANCIENT TECHNOLOGIES.>>51775926THE CULT OF THE ANTEDILUVIANS MUST BE CAST DOWN LIKE THEIR FOUND FATHERS.
>>51781976Would Sherman have a place in the pantheon?
What god is he?
How tall would a golem made out one of the rushmore busts be if the body was to scale with the head?
>>51775926I'm reminded of the complete clusterfuck that was the Deathworld setting.America took a turn for the necromantic. The Founding Fathers are undead idols of worship. Ancestor worship in general is a big thing. Most feared of the Founding Fathers is Andrew Jackson, "Mad Hickory," who went rampant on the Trail of Tears following his botched resurrection.
>>51776091FDR was a victorious apostate against the true faith of the Founders, and the dark army of his followers continues to torment the nation generations after his death.He basically is to Founderism as Mohammed was to Christianity.
>>51792268>Each face is about 60 feet high; if the bodies were to be included, each figure would be about 460 feet high.https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Mount_Rushmore_National_Memorial
>>51791575Technically I have to accept that.
>>51787119America had a culture you dork.Yankee and Dixie was a real thing until immigration and melting pot killed it in its infancy.
>>51777184>>build pipelines and highways on their graveyardsTheir graveyards are just areas where their ancestors could be buried. Most of it is empty land dude. They also make an absolute killing on those highways and pipelines as well as casinos. The US Government should honestly start taxing them on the money they make but legally its not part of the US. Its a weird situation.
America does practically have its own goddess figure.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_(name)#PersonificationWas thinking about throwing her in if I ever ran some kind of SMT-like game.
>>51796710>SMT?And nobody remembers Columbia these days. You could have her as the bitter forgotten sister of Lady Liberty.
>>51789443>spot on post>new vegasYou're a good man, Charlie Brown.
>>51796942Not forgotten exactly I'd say, just changed a bit with the times.Columbia was meant to be a symbol of progress and of America's boundless potential. Expanding national borders, liberating oppressed peoples and so forth. While we may not still put her up everywhere as a character, the spirit of improvement and reaching for the future is still very much alive in modern America.How many groups are pushing the boundaries of science, technology and programming with a core premise of 'because it's there to be discovered'? Maybe she's fallen from the limelight a bit but I'd imagine her in a 'modern' mythos as a kind of overseer, half librarian half secretary. Her sister Liberty is the more emotional side that promises freedom to all, while Columbia is the more logical side that drives progress and the spirit of self improvement and societal development.
>>51781792God-Slayer Taylor on the platform of "Fuck Polk"
>>51797140America's triple goddess/three fates figure:Lady Liberty, Lady Justice, and Lady Columbia.
"The Silent One"Patron god of quiet contemplation, who sits in meditative silence listening to the worries and hopes of the forgotten in society before subtly acting in their interest. Often overlooked by the rich and powerful but politely revered by the lower classes of society who knows they will always find a patient and polite patron to listen to their woes.
>>51797212It always struck me as strange that the personification of justice has been so prevelant.
>>51797212Now that is a damn good idea.>Justice, she who bears the scales. Impartial, cool but not callous, who keeps balance and order in society that it might last forever.>Liberty, she who bears the torch. Empathetic, calling out to those in the wider world to come and join together in the glories of Americana. Representing the optimism that will spur the nation to greater heights.>Columbia, she who bears the sword. Defender of the realm. She knows not race or creed, defending all who need her, both within the Republic and in the world abroad. The paladin of freedom.The triplet daughters of Uncle Sam and some of the most active of the deities, representing more universal constants in the Republic that you find their statues and shrines in every city and town, while the various presidents are more specialized and are more or less popular in different areas.
>>51788440Uncle SamGod King of the Americana PantheonJohn HenryGod of RailsJohnny AppleseedGod of TravelPaul BunyonForest DeityGoddess LibertyGod of Freedom and Fresh starts
>>51797398>Uncle Sam>God King of the Americana Pantheon>not God PresidentFallen at the first hurdle. He's not Zeus.
What kind of god would Harrison be?Would he a mortal trying to be a god, but something went wrong and he died because he didn't wear his hat while taming a hurricane or thunderstorm?
>>51797398From left to right in >>51788440:Betsy Ross (goddess of the home, nurturing, craft, and medicine)Br'er Rabbit (god of chaos, trickery and the underdog) Pecos Bill (god of cowboys, the outdoors, and individualism)Rosie the Riveter (goddess of social reform, women, and tireless industry)Columbia (goddess of pioneers and immigrants, optimism, and travel)Paul Bunyan (god of epic strength, cheerful labour, and the earth)Uncle Sam (god of American ideals, self-sacrifice and patriotism)John Henry (god of guts, hard work, fire, and pride)Johnny Appleseed (god of fertility, giving, and agriculture)this is the condensed version, the gods in Scion don't break down into purviews like that
>>51789209Neo Gnostic I hope. That way you're at least close to true enlightenment.>>51789320Smith is still a false guru. Stay mad teetotalers.
>>51791943Once the last Jarl falls I'm going after your Rust Cultist ass
>>51797860One of the Native religions, the one with the N that means Ghost Dance
>>51797876>>51797893Well then.As long as you stay east of the Rockies we're good, barbarian. I'll even sell you wine. Please raid Mormons more, and be nice to the Emperor's Paiute servants.
>>51797939I prefer hanging around up north and in the mountains anyway. Also Mormons don't exist in my world anymore
>>51797996You live in a better world. Please tell me the atom-worshipers are gone too.
>>51784370Also IIRC pointing is some sort of taboo within native american culture. It would be like a bunch of white people making a statue of MLK giving double middle fingers.
>>51789443I'm OP, and I didn't think this was as much a controversial topic as it apparently is. Thanks for contributing though!
>>51796710Nearly all nations have their own personifications.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_personification
>>51798062They were the ones to remove Mormons and I think the king of Calfornia is an Atomist
>>51789443>>51790321Aside from the fact that your post is borderline fucking unreadable, that shit's breddygud.>>51790972Did George Costanza make it to the moon before humanity fell?
R-Chard NixonGod of Corruption, Of Nature and of Peace
>>51789242>>51804344REMOVE QU REMOVE QU FROM PREMISES YOU ARE WORST ALIENREMOVE FALSE INHERITORS OF MAN DELET THIS
>>51776091Andrew Jackson is America's version of Ares to Eisenhower's Athena
>>51790141>that pipeline is like building a fucking Wal-mart in the middle of Arlington.They rerouted it around native lands. The complaint now is that it crosses parts of their water table, which is outside their land. Which is a pretty flimsy complaint at best.
So, just saw this thread for the first time and wanted to thank all of your for the inspiration. I once ran a post apoc game with the religion of the the Ladies; Truth, Justice, and Liberty. The founding fathers were saints, the presidents were prophets. But, this is all much more fun.
>>51805459I could definitely see that.
>>51775977Didn't Crazy Horse have issues with being photographed for cultural reasons? Wouldn't this be a similar case of icongraphy he would be against and thus why the project is considered awkward by other groups of native american descendants?>>51775926You know I've never thought about Mount Rushmore actually being made, since I'm not American, what time period was it undertaken in?
>>51806008It took 14 years, 1927 to 1941.Fun Fact: The rock it's carved from is such that it's expected to take 2 million years to fully disappear.
>>51804498my sides have been lost for billions of years
>>51806207I heard 1 billion years. Geological events nonwithstanding.
>>51789242I think the tomorrowsposting is getting out of hand but i fully suport it
>>51806207>>51808082I heard the Islamic Caliphate of North America will take under a month to erase them completely>acts in the name of Allah count as geological event.
>>51806207The human race probably won't survive another 2000 years.What the fuck will the aliens think when they finally find this planet.
>>51780020go back to runing the country trump. get off 4chan
>>51810757Europe please. Muslims in America are not only under control, but very westernized and prefer to not be associated with the nuts in Europe, save a couple of nuts that really don't like gay people.
>>51814799That's because we have fewer of them and are so heavily armed that they know if they acted like they do in Europe, the government wouldn't even need to intervene, /k/ alone would be fully capable of removing them.
>>51814799>>51816855You guys realize that many of America's most important, and historically largely only, military allies are muslim countries?
>>51817412>Saudi Arabia>"Ally"How's it feel being a delusional neocon?
>>51814799To be fair, a considerable ammount of them are either leftovers or descendants of those who migrated over during the Cold War to escape the Soviet invasion, and as such were able to adapt well to American society due to a mutual hatred of the godless commies