PREVIOUS THREAD: ( >>50263743)http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/50263743/Wiki (CURRENTLY BEING OVERHAULED):https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_ImperiumTHREAD FOCUS:fortifying this position>Corax and Eldrad filled in last thread, Lady Malys also having some stuff needing to be mirrored, I think>FAQs about jubblowski, the Isha Panty Raid, Lofn (and possibly Reri as a mirror?) and the Eldar and IoM seperatists all covered.>I have no idea what the hell else to do though because I'm gonna be busy revamping the 1d4 page. There's a link there to the page where actual shit is still going on, though.>Still need non-Battle of Terra WotB stuff>Still need Weebs>Still need Bugs>Need lots of Croneldar if they're still big enough to be as much of a problem as CSM are in Vanilla 40k (or at least big enough to pull off a decent few Black Crusades)Also holy shit I had no idea how quickly autosage killed. I just started setting up the draft page on the 1d4 and suddenly last thread was archived, like, 10 minutes tops.
Gonna start posting the writefagging I'm doing as a setting overview, so all of you can check it for consistency and shit. Some of it's up on the 1d4 already, but I'm probably gonna tweak it a lot in future.UNIFICATION> In the depths of the Old Night, the one known as Malcador discovered a relic of the Dark Age of Technology; a Man of Gold, created by those who came before with intellectual, martial and psychic prowess like none other. Others of his kind had devestated humanity in wars long gone, yet this one would restore it to its former glory. The Man of Gold, returning to Terra to find it a war-torn shell of a homeworld, immediately vowed to dedicate his existence to restoring the race he was created to serve. Thus, he became the Warlord, unifying his world through alliance, war, and every flavour of diplomacy between them. Nations united under his banner or were conquered by it, and soon a few figures became famous for their achievements, whether done in the Warlord's name or their own. These would become his Primarchs.> The years passed, and the Warlord looked to the stars. After the alliance with Mars gave the Imperium the logistical and materiel strength to begin reclaiming their former worlds, the Great Crusade began in earnest. Many worlds saw the bright future of the Imperium and greeted the Warlord with open arms, and for those that did not? The Warlord had his Primarchs; who each had a legion of elite Space Marines under their command, along with their own unique brand of warfare. A world with armies elite enough to fend off the ferocity of Leman Russ's Vlka Fenryka would be dismantled by the logistical superiority of Roboute Guilliman; one fortified enough to stall the methodical Ultramarines would be infected by plague and rotted from the inside out by Mortarion's Night Lords, and one who dared use such weapons on the forces of the Imperium would have their horrific gases and plagues shrugged off by Ferrus Manus's inhuman Skitarii.
>>50426564UNIFICATION (Cont)> Closer to home, however, there was a problem. The Warlord had originally been designed to serve humanity, not lead it, and it was a curious irony that the greatest leader in human history did not see himself fit for the role. Nevertheless, he was concerned at how an artificial construct such as himself (although precious few other than Malcador knew of this fact) was shown such reverence across the reclaimed worlds; some worlds approaching worship. Thus, he declared that the Golden Throne of Terra, an ancient artifact discovered that may have predated even him, was the centerpiece of the Imperium, and that he would be its Steward until a suitable Emperor were to emerge.[more to come]
You're doing God's work anon
Bump for good work
Just posting this story written by a writefag who namefags himself after a Hotline Miami character. Wonder if that guy is still writing anything, both /tg/ or warhammer related. And hey if you're out there and see this thread, you still gonna work or elabortate on this? It's pretty funny as someone who likes LCB.Also nice Hitler rants parodies reference/easter eggs>Krieg born inquisitor who constantly rants and raves about an Eldar Harlequin antic master>said Eldar Harlequin is oh-so-subtly named "Fegerleen.">the Krieg born Inquisitor's dumb Grey Knight servant is Gunshe>another fellow inquisitor of said grumpy Krieg born inquisitor is a guy who loves pointing at maps and fish>another one is an alcoholic who loves his Amasec and maybe even the map and fish loving co-inquisitor>a bald co-inquisitor who objects the plans of said krieg-born head inquisitor
>>50425952Here's an excuse to post such pics
With collected notes from previous threads I've done a thing.https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Drafts#Governmental_Structure
Given that Corax seems to have been changed from a Banian former slave to a Sino leader of an uprising could Lion be changed from a knight of Franj to a western Merikan tribal?In the older DA fluff they had a more native American feel to them than knight-monks.Also in the last thread or the thread before that Merika only started to ramp up the Manifest Destiny in response to the Warlord's actions, seeing that they would have to claim all the land possible to stand against his expansions.He could be of one of the tribes that resisted and refused to just meekly accept the Merikan occupation. The Fishermen Kings of the far coast were described last thread as being civilized but primitive and small. Could have been one of them.Possibly he could have been one of the ones the expeditionary forces of the Imperium encountered after they took the Yndonisic Bloc and Straylia and started sailing, eventually meeting them the long way round.
>>50430785So in this AU are space marines allowed to have some sort of life outside of alwayswar?In the old fluff Salamanders had families. Is that back?
>>50430785magpies even stealing our waifus, will this never end
>>50436169Countering flat and grumpy eldar with busty jiggly horny eldar.
>>50433913Seems a good idea.Anything to avoid Brother-Captain Grimdour van Biblicalreference
>>50438546...who? I expect the reaction to this to be pic related, but I'm afraid I don't know that much about DA fluff (either canon or anything hammered out for nobledark) and have generally been put off because of the constant Wolf/Lion shitflinging here on tg
>>50439314belated pic related, whoops
>>50439314All DAs in Vanilla have biblical reference names or names that sound biblical or at least end in iel to sound angelic. That and putting in "grim" sounding shit.It's not anywhere near as bad as wolf wolfing wolfy wolves but it does get annoying.Back in the 80s and early 90s they were supposedly slightly native American flavored.So far they have no Nobledark fluff at all.
>>50430751That story is comfy as fuck to read.
>>50439408Yeah, the only bit of fluff is that Luther is the Arch-Traitor during the War of the Beast since I like the canon fluff of a master jealous that his student usurped him.
>>50441389But what would he have done in WotB?
>>50439408DA names are based on Angel namesiel in Hebrew means "of God"
>>50441475No idea, could have just been a generic fall to Chaos or maybe he tried to carve out his own empire.
>>50433913DAfag here. No. Because of three simple reasons>The Lion is based on a El Sid>The Lion is based on King Arthur>The only native American Elements were in Deathwing terminators from a specific planet.The VERY FIRST Dark Angels model was a Space Marine captain with the teutonic knight style crest.
>>50441576>DA>fluff discrepancies>"three very simple reasons"[runs for cover]
Seeing Ops pic.What happens to the Squats?
>>50441830Bumping out of interest
Since a common fan-explanation for the Great Retcon of the Squats is that they were eaten by Tyranids, maybe we should go with that?
>>50445149That'a actually the canon explanation.http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Squat>>50441830They were discussed back in the earlier threads, though without a whole lot of detail IIRC. They're still around, and abhumans as a whole are treated better in this Imperium than in canon. I could see the Squats as drinking buddies/friendly rivals with the Demiurge, who have also been incorporated.
>>50441830>>50445149Say, what if...perchance...their worlds were to have fallen to Chaos? There's a severe defecit of homo sapiens being the bad guys at the moment.
I feel funnyHow was this general created again? If I recall correctly it was a thread about the emperor and isha having kids
>>50446273It was about 3 months ago, original OP was "What would have happened if the Emperor and Isha decided to make babies of their combined god genes?"
Space Zombie AIDS.Possibly originally pread by Nurglite Deamonettes.Possibly repeated mass outbreaks across Imperium during the otherwise quite times helps keep everything fucked over.Give it quite potentially 30 to 40 year incubation period and a tendency to trigger all at the same time and mature from zombies to deamons if left untreated.
>>50446539And then some guy went on about this regiment of scions being ishas sons
>>50446672Was eventually decided that they have no kids due to inherent incompatibility.It also allows better for the Impossible Child of the Starchild Prophesies.
>>50446601If it was wide spread enough and was spread but those dastardly Croneworlders far enough in the decades long incubation period it could be a serious Imperium wide problem.It would certainly give the Ordo Sepulturum an actual reason to be any sort of important presence.Bonus points if Dorhai craftworlders helped with the spread of the disease. Chaos on Imperium action they see as Mon-keigh killing each other and that is never a bad thing.>>50441830They were given the same deal as the Interex, Ultramar and other Strife survivor empires.They despise the eldar because they had a protection deal with the old eldar empire that the old eldar empire was too off it's box on cocaine to care about. Hub-worlders were covered in Orks when the Imperium established contact with them.
>>50436169I think Idranel would make a good flat chest waifu...
>>50448360The best thing about flat chested waifus is watching those titties grow as they round out with child. Idranel needs to do her part for the elder people now that they have Isha back.
>>50435278That's a Blood Angel, he doesn't have the raven shape surrounding the teardrop/blood-drop on his armor's insignias.
>>50448871>Implying that's his armour
>>50446539>>50446672afaik it was way before that, just a thought about how something like the Last Alliance would be in 40k and if it's work what difference it'd make, etc
>>50449192On the subject of which is it possible for a human to become an Aspect Warrior?
>>50434791Salamanders always had families. As in "the immortal uncle who watches over the clan for centuries"
>>50450549wasn't that retconned at some point like all the good things?
>>50450201Probably not. Humans tend not to be more stable.Path system was built because eldar be crazy.
Needs more Cain.
>>50446672This Regiment of Scions?
short question: I am not really interested in 40k but verily into warhammer fantasy, may I ask why you use a whf pic? Maybe you can get me interested in your little party here
>>50453799Two species of Dorf.One is fighting endless orks one fighting endless nids.One hates eldar the other trolls them mercilessly.Both are part of the Imperium. Eldar are happy about neither.
>>50453799OP here, because it was late and I was too tired/lazy to find an appropriate 40k one
>>50446601>Hey Joe you wana play another mothafuckin zombie game!?
>>50455305This is a deamon plague. U R teh deemunz!
>>50448360...Is that, lord commissar Bern with a eldar waifu!?
>>50432109>why did mom and dad have to make me have a mon'keigh girlfriend?>I just wanna live out my decent life with decent paying job all while shitposting in the extranet>this human sucks at kissing, just slobbering her tongue all over my lip>mfw
>>50430751Nice story, but I don't get these references.
So, when LIIVI goes on his proactive vengeance spree, what do the Ordo Sicarius have to say about this?
>>50459317They give him a rather stern talking to and hope he doesn't set his inlaws on them.
>>50441576>based on El Cid and ArthurJust made the connection between that and Lion "sleeping under the Rock until the final battle" fluff, which makes him a bit cooler in my eyes.Would be even cooler if he removed space kebabs/Saxons from space Iberia/Britain
>>50461103So we going to have to put parallels with El Cid and Arthur in the Lion story when we get round to it?
>>50463281How about Russ and the Lion fought a war way back. Russ was defeating Jonson's people until Jonson took charge, driving back Russ's forces, leading to a bloody stalemate. Would explain the rivalry n this universe.
>>50466947Thats good.Only problem I see is the timing of it.By the time of the Warlord's rise both the Nordyc and the Franj have to be at the stage where they can stand talking to one another in a civil manner for at least some length of time to be in the same Imperium.So the conflict between Franj and Skand has to be far enough back to be thought of as "old wars our fathers/grandfathers fought". Still sore points but not blood price type murderous rage inducing levels of sore.It should be a chip handed down from shoulder to shoulder for Lion and Russ from Luther and Thengir respectively.The exact nature of the debt should be kept deliberately muddy. Franj owed Skand warriors/mercenaries from numerous tribes money for fighting Jermanic and Gredbritton aggressors. Thengir was the one nominated by the Nordyc fighting men to represent them and speak to the king of Franj.King of Franj short changes them to an insulting degree and they have a Skand - Franj war.Thengir kills the old king Clovis Fouché, the Franjish soldiers fuck up huge tracts of Skandish land and exterminate a bunch of Nordyc villages in retaliation. Yolande Fouché at aged 15 takes the throne calls a meeting with Chief Thengir, now known as Thengir the Cripple, apologies and hands over the rest of the cash and then some for bloodprice. The war is over but considerable hate remains especially in the families of the Russ tribal nobility and the noble house of El Jonson who were thickest in the fighting.Thus Lion and Leman grow up despising the other nation in general and that family in particular.
>>50468638Good shit, I like it. I notice the Russ fluff starts during the Great Crusade, does anyone want to write up this background for Russ? Is the original writefag still around?
>>50470798I was the original writefag for Russ.I think that was either in the first of second thread that it got done, such as it was. At the moment for me it is late and I have a hard day of work ahead of me tomorrow so it is unlikely that it will get done tonight.I'll give it some thought over the day and If I am in any fit mental shape I will try and writefag it up a bit more.I didn't think the Nobledark Imperium would take off like it has done or that we would attract such excellent talent.
>>50466005Quick, someone rewrite this with Russ and Magnus.
>>50471965I'm actually getting a little tired of Russ vs. Magnus.Russ vs. Lion sounds like a nice change; it seems like Lion gets ignored a lot.
>>50474345This, especially since it's plastered across half a dozen bait threads at any given time. Plus, Lion has the advantage of not having been fleshed out fully, so we have plenty of room to work with.I feel like REEEE FALLEN GET OUT should either be wiped completely, or transcend to the point that they're the only major force of CSM that exist
>>50474579Maybe they have a different secret?
>>50474579The only Fallen written in is Luther, since I threw him into the Sangy fluff on a whim, but I now realize there needs to be a way to explain how he stands up to Sangy in a duel if he's too old to have gotten Astartes augments. Oops.
>>50475251Wait, how about if Luther is Lion's older brother or twin so he can also get the augments, and becomes jealous of his brother outshining him? This riffs on Cain and Abel and keeps with the biblical vibe of the DAs. Thoughts anyone?
>>50475324Older brother, or relatively young uncle, maybe? Opportunity for closeness, but more sense of seniority than a twin.
>>50475324His augmentation might bring the date of Skand - Franj too far forwards.
>>50476414Well, let's see if we can't finagle the timeline a bit. Let's say Luther El'Jonson participates in the war as a young squire and wins fame for his exploits, being anywhere from 16-18 when Queen Yolande takes the throne and ends the war. Having gotten his knighthood and a taste for war, and seeing that Franj probably won't be fighting any time soon, Luther runs away from home to join this rumored Warlord he's been hearing so much about. Serves for a few years before receiving one of the early augments, perhaps the late Thunder Warrior pattern. Now according to the Guilliman fluff he meets Yolande when she is "relatively young," and then they get married and Europia-Franj joins the Imperium shortly after, which I interpreted to be fairly early in the Unification. Yolande was 15 when the Skand- Franj war ends, and lets say "relatively young" means late 20s to early 30s, so roughly 10-15 years have passed. Luther, the prodigal son returns home, and Lion is born sometime around here. Lion grows up hearing about his famed older brother and idolizes the guy.Now for Lion to receive the Mk III S augments, Sangy and Duscht Jemanic will need to have joined the Imperium since they help design the Mk III Astartes, and this means the Jemanic are one of the later joiners to the Imperium. In an earlier thread we made the augmentation window as late puberty instead of early puberty (to get rid of the grimderp of having 12 year olds fight to the death) and in Mortarion's fluff he's 22 when he gets augmented. So between Lion's birth around when Europia-Franj joins the Imperium (early Unification) and Duscht Jemanic joining (mid-later Unification) we have 20 years for the Lion to grow up and serve in the Warlord's army before he's one of the three people selected for the Mk III S experiments.And bam, we have a potential timeline with an augmented Luther and Lion. Let me know if I've contradicted anything.
>>50477048Looks to all add up.
>>50477048So the optimal age of augmentation is the 18 - 24 age range?Or is that the legal requirement the Warlord insisted on?Either way I like it a lot.
>>50425952>Eldar and IoM seperatists all covered.So in the previous thread, there are aparently eldar and human terrorist-separatists who're totally against the integration of men and space elves and have committed acts of terrorism against the imperium and "official" eldar?So imagine if those terrorist did a No Russian on imperial lands or in some eldar settlement? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc7XS4fCwDs
>>50457346Now whats wrong with that???also, bump
>>50479310holy shit yesyesyes y e sI totally wouldn't put it past them to do that, and I'm betting that even if the IoM as a whole tries to Do The RIght Thing (TM), the other side's extremists kneejerk the fuck out and do the same.>>50479759context behind this pls, looks gud
Should Russ have a wife/wives?
>>50474345I think that Russ didn't trust Magnus because his practices of warpcraft are very different to that of Nordyc shamanism and he was made a Primarch despite his weirdness.That is basically it. Russ doesn't trust Magnus and keeps a wary eye on him in case he needs to be killed because possession.Magnus doesn't like Russ because he won't put the axe down.
So should Luther fall to Chaos this time around?I'm all for having him go against the young Imperium but it could be because he sees that it is the death of Franj as a nation and the nation was what he held most dear. Lion sees him as going against the people of Franj and that the Imperium is their only hope for survival. Luther sees the Imperium as the death of Franj as a people.Both are right.Maybe there were the insane on the side of Luther who resorted to Chaos. There were also the desperate on the side of Lion who resorted to Chaos.
>>50475324go man in the iron mask with it
>>50471004Not happening tonight. Brain is cabbaged. Sorry.
>>50485699Lets not.Long standing feud sounds good.A question.How technologically advanced was Franj? It is mentioned that they had relatively good farm land so they would have been able to support a stable population and have more specialists supported.Would they have lasers and shit or are we giving the knightly warrior nobility Kalashnikovs?For Lion I'm guessing he is going to be slightly like Perty in that he doesn't "get" people. Tends to micro-manage a bit too much.Unlike Perty he isn't paranoid, depressed or prone to fits of rage.Groomed for leadership of the knightly order by Luther because for all his faults he is tactically brilliant. In the end Luther sees Lion as having betrayed his oath to his queen and his people by selling the country to the Imperium. This would happen during the War of the Beast, Luther trying to break away in the Chaos so when the dust clears Franj stands again as an independent nation like Hy Brasil.As a result Lion is out taking care of personal business and never comes to the aid of the Emperor or Sanguinius in time.Russ is his greatest detractor. Russ challenges him to a duel. Russ gets his shit wrecked. Russ relocates to Fenris completely and severs almost all ties with Old Earth in a manner of "I don't want to live on this planet anymore".During his fight with Luther Lion ends up with a piece of metal lodged in his brain that gradually over the next few years migrates till it embeds in something serious. Lion goes into a coma. Biologicus can't take the metal splinter out with out cutting through some serious grey matter and killing him.As of 999M41 the Dark Angels are still claiming that Lion El Jonson sleeps. Maybe he does. He was a pimped out Mk3 S Astartes and nobody is quite sure how long they could theoretically live if kept in a coma on a life support machine. Maybe he does still sleep.
>>50485699No sure what this is referencing to be honest.>>50487437>>50477048Let's see if we can reconcile these. If Luther served the Warlord for a time and received augments, what would embitter him towards the Imperium? I could see him as the arrogant blood knight who loves battle and becomes disillusioned when the Warlord turns out not to be the ruthless warrior-king he imagined. He returns home to Franj and finds that Queen Yolande has married a weakling from Europia (maybe Luther and Yolande had a teenage romance?), and to rub salt on the wound the united Europian-Franjish senate votes to peacefully join the Imperium a few years later. Lion wasn't responsible for Franj joining the Imperium, so Luther's animosity comes from the fact he tries to incite a rebellion towards the end of the Unification when the bulk of the Warlord's forces are busy. He approaches Lion, who at this point has received the augments and is a great general himself, and tries to convince him to join, believing that ties of blood and country should trump all. Instead, he's shocked and enraged when Lion refuses and remains loyal to the Warlord. He goes ahead and rebels anyway and is defeated, only being spared because Lion intervenes on his behalf. Humiliated, Luther bides his time and serves in Lion's legion, who happily thinks Luther is a changed man, and wins enough distinction to be made First Captain of the Dark Angels.Then the War of the Beast comes and Luther sees his chance again, so it's HERESY TIME. Luther's clash with Lion could come at any time before or after the Battle of Terra as long as Luther is at the Eternity Gate to duel Sanguinius (since he probably figures that would be his best chance to try and kill the Steward).Thoughts?
>>50488235Looking good. Though I'm wondering, how plausible is it that Lion would be able to save Luther from the consequences of rebellion?
>>50483163What would be a 40K version of No Russian then? Especially for this nobledark AU with the IoM or eldar separatist-terrorists?"Remember, no High Gothic/High Tongue?"
>>50488235> Luther is at the Eternity Gate to duel Sanguinius Not digging that but otherwise looks good.
>>50492281It was a throwaway bit of fluff since I wanted to have Traitor Marines in the Siege of the Imperial Palace and Luther is much more interesting than Abbadon (who has gotten a cool little story himself in this AU). Luther doesn't die, Sangy just cuts his arms off, so he can still be alive and kicking long after with sweet robo-chaos arms.
>>50492522Upon reflection I can easily swap out Luther for another Traitor Marine to be at the Eternity Gate so feel free to throw out some names.
>>50492835How about Kor Phaeron? He needs a kick in the dick.
>>50492909Not this time.This time Kor Phaeron was the fatherly and caring Archbishop of the Yndonisic Bloc.How about Erabus? Nothing has been written concerning him.
>>50493435Yeah, Erebus fits. Though, I wonder how that'll change Horus's deal.
>>50491166Probably Biel Tan eldar (I think? They're still strongly against the union, as far as I remember) or similar posing as other craftworld eldar and fucking shit up. Maybe even Eldrad, if they're that daring - although I guess that'd be just lots of little, mildly suspicious actions to stir up paranoia and distrust of the Eldar (I'm sure most of th Imperium knows what keikaku means at this point)
>>50496856Biel-Tan? They're standoffish from humans, but enthusiastically about the Imperium-- their thing is seeing it as an Eldar Empire that happens to have a lot of humans running around in it.
>>50497813I think Biel-Tans main problem with the humans is that the humans keeps telling them to slow the fuck down. Biel-Tan believes that humans should keep up and that they shouldn't be told to slow down the warpath of their own empire.Or at least in terms of the younger ones. The Autarchs are old and wise enough to want brakes on the train but also cunning enough to let the Imperial Army high ups take the blame for it.Also Ambassador Cain, Voice of the Imperium!, subtlety persuades as best he can to direct the aggression in a sensible manner.
>>50493483Horus is the hardass voidborn uniter of the asteroid belt so far, erebus could be a captain under him in some capacity
>>50500179I really like this version of Horus.The charismatic Void Born king of the asteroid belt.
>>50493483>>50500179Erebus gets most of his canon screen time talking with Horus, but he's actually a Word Bearer. Would actually be interesting to see how a faithful Lorgar would react to his First Chaplain falling to Chaos.
>>50500594In this AU Lorgar is Fr. Aurelian, Chaplain-Primarch of the Word Bearers and ordained priest of the Katholian Faith.Erebus would be given only 2 possible opportunities to repent. One at the discovery of his fall from grace assuming he hasn't done anything mortally unforgivable yet.The other opportunity is a deathbed confession and repentance. Should Erebus still be in good health then poor health and deathbed can be arranged.Should he be unwilling to submit to Judgment before God then he has by his own will placed himself beyond redemption. He is no longer human. He is ruinosus abominamentum maleficus.
>>50495378What's with the monstergirl pic there? Why did you post that here as a bump->looks closely at image and sees the jokeOOHHH! Now I get it, nice joke there anon. I see what you did there.
>>50494901I'm now imagining a Promethean priest and a tau Ethereal arguing over which is better. Strength through unity or strength through self sufficiency.
>>50496856>>50497813Dudes, Biel-Tan from what I know and remember for this AU is that while they're uppity and snobbish about humans and how "weak and slow" we tend to be. They're pretty much pro-human and eldar alliance, mostly because their rescued goddess Isha "wills it and that its all part of her plan" and whatnot.As some people have mentioned, its the Dorhai eldar that are totally against the alliance and are also xenophobic and racist separatist rebels against the imperium and eldar alliance.>>50491166>>50479310Also I think Dorhai would know about Biel-Tan's slight disposition against humans too. So maybe Dorhai eldar operatives masquerade as Biel-Tan eldar, and some of them would even speak in forced human accents to further cause confusion and instigation among the humans and eldar. Especially the families of the victims of their attack in not! Zakhaev International Airport. Amazing how that one level causes oh so much controversy indeed. >Dorhai eldar masquerading as Biel-Tan ones, heavily armed in an elavator leading to the terminal of some civilian space port>"Isha/Khaine bless us and be with us...">*DING!* elevator door opens to show lots of civilians lining up in the space port>"Remember, no High Tongue."
>>50500795>Should Erebus still be in good health then poor health and deathbed can be arranged.That line is somehow perfect, I don't know why but it's just making me grin in a slightly terrified way.
>>50502489We really do need more information on Dorhai craftworld.
>>50502309I don't get it. Where's the joke on the image? >>50495378
>>50505369Yeah, sadly it seems the writefag who did the Chaos Eldar and Saim Henn writefaggotry (and Krieg and Assassins I think) has left the thread.
>>50506343term papers/finals are murder.
>>50506325Love Can Bloom.Which is kind of officially happening in the Nobledarkness.
>>50509328Don't forget Reri Hesperax, apparently she's slowling becoming a thing.>>50304134>>50304195
>>50497813>>50498805>>50502489My bad, folks, was too lazy to open up the 1d4 and actually look up all the different craftworld standards. As regarding the Not!No Russian, wouldn't the most distinctive thing to differentiate themselves from humans be the speed and grace they move with? So either they'd be masquerading as other Eldar, or it'd be falseflagging as humans with something like "Remember, stay clumsy" or some shit like that.> Amazing how that one level causes oh so much controversy indeed. friendly reminder that the only mission objective is to Follow Makarov - everyone just starts gunning down civilians of their own accord, which is probably what was *supposed* to be the fucked up thing about it :^)
>>50511627Standards? Stances, even.
>>50511627This is the Nobledark Imperium. You don't need to pretend to be human to be citizen of Him on Earth.Eldar following the path of the administratum is a thing.If they gunned down a bunch of humans whilst screaming Saim-Hann curse words in the right dialect then most people would think it was Saim-Hann becasue Saim-Hann be all crazy fuckers at best of times.But the Space Wolves would vouch for them. And old man Bjorn would have their back. But they are just one old Legion of the Imperial Army.
>>50511982>oh of course the MUTANTS would support our Imperium being undermined by filthy xenost. extremist who was later found castrated by wulfen
>>50513141Dark Angel detectedDisregard traitor opinionsTheir fault Sanguinius died
>>50500179Given that he is some sort of elected tribal chief of the asteroid belt abhumans he would have to be possibly the last Primarch to join the Imperium.Possibly he saw the unification of Old Earth and decided he knew where the smart money was. Possibly, being from a higher-tech society presumably with better record keeping, he also knew what a Man of Gold was when he saw one.
>>50513555wait are we having all DAs turn traitor? I'd kinda like that purely so we can kinda have grimdark concentrated to the extremes just in a few places, like Kriegalso trips confirm
>>50516393I was thinking of it being a majority thing.Lion making the mistake of recruiting the majority of the Legion, or at least the officers, from just his home nation because he needed to know that he could trust them.Sadly they were loyal to a fault but not to him. Franj revivalists infiltrate the hierarchy of the Legion and Lion is so shit a basic people skills he doesn't spot them.There was a loyal core around Lion and the soldiers of house El Jonson that remained true to the Imperium as a whole but they were not the majority.Just as in Vanilla 40K there are loyalist remnants of traitor Legions this is the opposite. The loyalist splinter of the only traitor Legion.Traitor DAs get kept bogged down by the loyalists long enough for WotB to end and then a whole boat load of angry from the other legions start coming their way.Some Fallen DAs, mostly the lower ranks who had been kept chin deep in bullshit for the whole ordeal, stand the fuck down when the enormity of their error becomes apparent. They end up doing a spell in the Penal Legions until they are deemed to have made up for their fuck ups, the survivors of that are then scattered around the other Legions.The majority of the Fallen DAs, all told about half the surviving Legion at the time, turn to Chaos and are spirited away and dumped somewhere in the Eye of Terror.There were reports of a "Cypher" type character on both sides. Also he could either travel really fast or there was more than one of him. Some say he was the Court Battle-Wizard of the Legion who had gone missing presumed dead two years previously whilst fighting on a factory world of a Big Mek and his Oblitorator Cyborks.Or at least some of these Cyphers were Alpha Legion infiltrators covertly helping the loyalists/hindering the traitors.
>>50516623Afterwards Lion breaks his Legion up into knightly orders, scatters them to distant worlds and institutes a program of officer exchange to maintain close ties between all chapters and at least some attachment to the Imperium as a whole over places of origin.He also makes the position of Watcher an obligatory rank. It is held by a member of the Inquisition whose job it is to monitor the chapter from the inside. Usually the job gets given to the really old members of the Inquisition who refuse to retire despite being to old to chase anyone.Many Dark Angel chapters have quite close ties to Alaitoc, Telennar and Sethoywan who provide them with webway guides and loaned advisory seers.Of the being known as Cypher no conclusive answers have yet been obtained. He still turns up in imperial records from time to time down the ages with no discernible. He is either leapfrogging through time via cryo-sleep or it's not the same man. Even a Mk3 S pattern Astartes would have aged to death by now. The eldar allies of the DAs can't predict his movements and he operates as a traveling destructive blank point in the prophesies. Some suspect he has earned the favor or amusement of Cegorach although they have no real proof of this.
>>50511627>>50511633If such an unfortunate event such as a No Russian happening. I think I can confidently say the plans for Eldar! Makarov or the separatist rebel humans who thought a false flag attack would cause both humanity and elder to start killing each other would fail.Besides this Nobledark, not Grimderp. People of both races would instead question and investigate anything that suspicious, like the elder (Dorhai) terrorists masquerading as humans who seem to move so gracefully for human standards. Or human rebel separatists masquerading as elder guardians who seem to move so oddly sluggish and brutish for eldar. Not to mention when the investigative teams play the recorded audio during the terrorist attack noticing how the voice and accent of those supposed eldar terrorists sounded so guttural and forced.>>50498805And maybe like this guy said, Cain would even be the first to say, "lets thin about this first Gais! Wut if those guys are trying to make fools out of us?"
>>50517277Cain would say that regardless of whether he believed it. It's cowardice masquerading as wisdom so well it becomes wise.
>>50517277>the voice and accent of those supposed eldar terrorists sounded so guttural and forced.solution: n o r u s s i a nDon't say shit, man, or it'll be a giveawayJoking aside, I do get your point - although I'm sure with enough time and effort (and, for the human seperatists, some modifications), they could do a passing impression of the other race. Plus, if this isn't grimderp, will there really be recorded footage of civilian places or craftworlds on hand that's good enough to discern that? If each craftworld views humanity in a different shade on the Valued Allies/Filthy Mon'keigh scale, you can be sure humanity isn't exactly united in their adoration of Eldar either.
>>50517501Given the average human lifespan, the lack of affordable interplanetary travel for the common pleb and the comparative low number of eldar compared to humans most humans would go from cradle to grave seeing nothing but other humans. They would only have knowledge of eldar from the carefully tended media.
>>50518102>average>common pleb>most humansBut still, even a tiny fraction of the fuckhuge IoM is still a preeeetty big number of people, and I'm sure plenty of those wouldn't be TOO fond of Our New Space Elf Overlords. In fact, even more so on the Eldar part, since it would be so, so easy for them to start seeing humans as even further below them, and import the whole REEEE FILTHY XENOS PLEASE GO vibe from vanilla 40k.Also, I really, really fucking like that pic, and want a story behind it.
>>50500795Alright, Erebus it is then. Does he use a sword or a mace?
>>50523671Every man and his dog seems to have a sword. Give him a mace.
>>50524098Got it.While we're on the topic, I wonder if we can brainstorm a more sympathetic background and motivation for Erebus rather than his canon "be a dick and corrupt everything." My idea is that if Lorgar is the space Pope, Erebus could be a Cardinal considered by some to be a Living Saint because he's that virtuous. Like all good saints, he has a crisis of faith, and the Chaos gods start whispering to him then. He slowly gets corrupted, and by the time the Chaos gods start urging him to do terrible things that would have horrified him he's too addicted to the power of the Warp to stop (potentially because it manifests for him as the transcendent religious experience that he had desperately been seeking).This way we have a character arc from really good guy who makes a mistake and pays for it by becoming the world's most dangerous meth head. Luther could get in touch with him when he rebels to tie the major Traitor groups together.Just a random thought I had, feel free to tweak it or throw out other ideas.
>>50523671>>50524098>>50524201POWER FLAIL/kills self
>>50524282All of that is good but if I might make one suggestion;I would have Erebus contacting Luther and his Fallen rather than the other way around. After Luther has dug him and his followers into a pit they can't get out of, that is when Chaos pays them a visit.Also the Dark Angels of Luther are the largest group of Space Marines to fall to Chaos all in one go. 2nd place goes to Skyrar's Dark Wolves.
>>50500795Did Lorgar fund the Exorcists?
>>50500414He would be charismatic.An elected king chosen from the captains of the fleets and kept in office until he fucks up too much and then de-elected.More of a spokes person than an overall ruler.Nobody takes any real oaths of obedience. King of the Void Born only extends to whoever wants the Kings protection and other benefits of his nation.It's a rather nebulous and transitory position.Purely by happy coincidence Horus signing on to the early Imperium and dragging the rest of his people into the freshly minted Imperial Army (Space Navy) ensured the permanence of his job and the enforced compliance of his people to do what he fucking says for a change. It also guaranteed the safety and security of his void born kindred and got them a heap of new ships.
>>50526555No. They were a group covertly founded by the Inquisition to test the practical application of some of Magnus' more controversial teachings.
>>50527680Hours also saw the growing importance of the Imperial Navy as proof of the common Void Born belief.Humanity is, when viewed over tens of thousands of years, loosening its dependency planets. Hours believed the Void Born were the future and it was his mission in life to ensure human survival to reach that day.
>>50529649Hmmm, that could lead to some interesting philosophical frictions.
>>50531457There could be a faction within the Imperium, championed by biologics extremists, who consider abhumanism the future of humanity. Humans adapted and tailored to their roles. They could consider Horus an example of this.
>>50532288Though Horus isn't really an abhuman, is he?
Stay alive for now
>>50534404voidborn are adapted for life on starships and space stations
>Back with a bit of writefaggotry. Haven't written much this week, but I managed to get an intro written out for the 1d4chan page in the style of the opening Warhammer blurb. Not really satisfied with it yet, since I think some of the flow and word choice could be better, but I'm also not feeling too motivated to work on it any further so feel free to edit.>The other stores I mentioned will be worked on when time allows, we'll see how productive I am this week.It is the 41st millennium. For more than a hundred centuries the Eternal Emperor and Empress have been joined in their holy union. He is the last relic of a lost age when hope and wisdom ruled the galaxy, still clinging to his purpose of forging a better future, and she is the last remnant of an ancient pantheon, a mother watching over dying children brought low by their own hubris. Together, they are the Masters and Guardians of Mankind and Eldar, the keepers of the Last Alliance, the embodiments of the Imperium to which a hundred sapient species swear their fealty.At the core of the Imperium is Humanity, its teeming multitudes ever resilient, stubbornly carving out a future amongst the hostile stars. The greatest of Man’s allies are the Eldar, ancient and wise, their shared bond forged in battle and sealed in blood millennia ago. Since then, others have been judged worthy to join in the light of the Imperium, to stand with Men and Eldar as fellows: the industrious Demiurge, enigmatic Tau, countless strains of Abhumans, and many more.
>>50538673Yet for all the Imperium’s numbers, it is barely enough to stave off the forces that would tear it down. United under savage Beasts, the Orkish hordes throw themselves at the great edifice of the Imperium. The Necrons are awakening to a changed galaxy, and gaze with hatred at the foolish primitives who would dare harbor their greatest foes the Eldar. From the gaclatic east, the Tyranids have made landfall and sweep over countless worlds in their hungering tide. In the shadows lurk the Dark Eldar, reveling in the carnage of a galaxy at war. And from the Immaterium, the Chaos Gods brood and plot their eternal vengeance, served by the twisted Chaos Eldar.To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold trillions. It is to live in the last bastion of civilization as the darkness draws near. These are the tales of those times. Forget the stories of peace and harmony, for they are fables of a gentler time, when the world still made sense. Remember the stories of struggle and defiance, full of brotherhood and sacrifice, for those are the ones that really matter. Peace is a distant dream growing ever fainter, and there is only defiance and sacrifice as Men and Eldar hold the line for the promise that has been whispered through the generations, from father to son, from mother to child: the promise that there is good left in the world, and it is worth fighting for.
>>50538673>>50538703Hmm, I like it.
>>50488235Slight tweak. Luther is a hardcore Human Centrist. Joins the Warlord to reunite Humanity. Partakes in the Unification Wars and the early stages of the Great Crusade. As a Late-Stage Thunder Warrior, can't keep up with the Mk.II's and Mk.III Astartes. Relegated to diplomatic warrior roles and oversees the integration of Eldar and Imperium. Doesn't help that the Lion, his young protege is overshadowing him in achievement and the scores of Maiden Worlds handed over to the Eldar with nary a fight.War of the Beast came about. Chaos Eldar approaches Luther with a bargain. Divert all Dark Angels reinforcement. In exchange, will only target Non-human interests.
>>50539367Luther agrees, gather his loyalists. Dupes newly recruited DAs that the Eldar instigated the War of the Beast and the Emperor has declared a Crusade against them. Burns an entire sector of designated Eldar controlled worlds until the Lion comes in to investigate. Horrified by the actions of Luther, purges the traitors. Penultimate duel, Luther fatally wounds the Lion before being knocked out. The Lion instructs the Loyalists to cover up the incident as it could tear the Imperium-Eldar Alliance apart. Goes into stasis in hopes of healing. Traitor DA flees, some horrified, some disgusted by those they once called brother.
>>50538673>>50538703Awesome.Has been added to the 1d4chan page.
>>50539367>>50539761That is fucking sweet. Although I would only suggest that it be Erebus that brokers the Luther - Chaos agreement given that Luther is a human supremacist. Chaos with a human voice would maybe appeal to him more.
>>50500795>Should Erebus still be in good health then poor health and deathbed can be arranged.I suppose that's the difference between Good and Nice.
>>50539367>>50539761>>50540630Assuming Luther genuinely cares about humanity, this scenario raises the question of why he would continue to work with Chaos once it becomes clear that they're indiscriminately slaughtering humans. I mean the deal could have been worked out before the WotB, but once it becomes clear that extinction is a real possibility it doesn't make sense he would continue to work against the Imperium if they're all that's holding the xenos back.
>>50545264>the question of why he would continue to work with ChaosEasy-- just say he kept going, maybe planning to double-cross them, until it was impossible for him to break free. This is NobleDARK after all, we're not nerfing Chaos' effects on the mind. It's downright normal for someone who's been too heavily exposed to do things that go right against all their former principles.
>>50545413This. Luther got fucking played.
>>50539367>>50539761Interesting. I do feel Luther's martial/knightly aspect is pretty core to his character, so a change I would suggest is that instead of being relegated to being a diplomat he stays Captain of the First Company, and grows to hate the Eldar after seeing them treat human soldiers as disposable fodder to avoid Eldar casualties. Since these are the early days of the Alliance, it is more than likely most Eldar would still feel contempt for humans.As a tangential side note, I don't think Thunder Warriors would be less capable combat-wise compared to Space Marines. Sure, they might be missing the cool bells and whistles like acid spit compared to the later Marks, but in terms of getting in people's faces and hacking away they should be just fine. In Perty's fluff he beats a Nurgle Warboss one on one and I imagine Angron stayed a top-tier fighter even into old age.
we should come up with at least four chaos eldar daemon princes, they need more content. Off the top of my head I've got a Khornate warlord that leads massive bands of orcs and styles himself as a sort of goblin king, a sect of fallen priests of isha that plot to recapture her for nurgle, a Tzeentch aligned faux-benevolent Puck sort of trickster, and an oft abused/eaten/reincarnated/replaced chosen consort of slaanesh
>>50540630so how does Erebus/Chaos's attempt to sway Horus go in this history? Do they even try?
>>50548202I imagine they sent one of their prophets to negotiate with him once the fighting started and it became apparent that the young Imperium was going to drown in green.Maybe they promised him that if he moved his fleets away then his people would be spared. He wouldn't even need to fight, it would barely even be a betrayal. Just stand aside, save your friends and family and be rewarded for it by the gods themselves.I doubt they would have received the answer they would have wanted.
>>50548550No idea, I just took it from /tg/ some time ago in a Giger thread.
>>50548550>>50548759I've just realized they would make a great gene-stealer cult.she would be the the magus that does the face work for the outside world.
>>50549837Actually, random thought that might lead to some writefaggotry: >Tau beginning to report rebellions and unrest on their worlds; difficult to take down given how easy it is to claim it's just your own brand of the Greater Good (like how cultists hide behind the Imperial Creed in vanilla 40k)>Alternatively just some eastern parts of the IoM, doesn't really matter>Oh wait, suddenly genestealers>Cult gets put down and world is purged, heavy Inquisition, Guard and/or SM presence remains to keep an eye on the world>Story repeats various times across the IoM, seemingly in a pattern, but since no hive fleet is ever summoned they get written off and ignored as red herrings>Only later do the Nids main force make galaxyfall, and the Imperium have pitifully few forces to send against them since they're all garrisoning former cult worlds.>The invasion wave begins to follow the pattern of worlds the genestealer cults erupted on so long ago>IoM panics, examines pattern themselves>A trail of breadcrumbs>Leading all the way back to Segmentum Solar
>>50550099Sounds good.The Main Hive Fleet is heading towards Old Earth because the original path made by the first gene-steelers in the galaxy and well worn by all the fleets that followed leads there.
>>50545264Because at the end, Luther saw the Imperium as this bloated monstrosity corrupted by the influence of Eldar. Better to burn it all down and start afresh. Also, think of how the Fourth Crusade started with the goal of reclaiming Jerusalem and ended up with sacking Constatinople.>>50548054Hence Diplomatic Warrior. Luther's role became the prototype of the Rogue Trader and the basis of the rumor that RTs were basically a disguised exile. Furthermore, his hatred of the Eldar stems from the early days of fighting off Dark Eldar raids on human colonies. Grew when Eldrad approached the Steward for the rescue of Isha. Only became worse as Isha changed the man Luther respected and worshipped to care for Xeno slavers.Sidelining Luther into a diplomatic role is important. Because that's sidelining what Luther sees as a lesser role is what caused the start of his jealousy and the beginning of his betrayal of the Imperium.
>>50550099How about;>Late M36>Cult of bastardized Greater Good/Imperial Cult spreads in the Eastern Front>IoM sends subjugation force, fearing another Vandire>Bogs down ala Vietnam style in one particular subsector.>Hive Fleet Behemoth cometh>Devours all the way till Ultramar, Segmentum Command>Stopped by Ultramarines, resulting in the sacrifice of First Company to plant a Eldar WMD onto Norn Queen bioship>Behemoth splinters. IoM spent decades chasing after Behemoth splinter Fleets.>Connection with cults and genestealers made. New protocols to deal with Genestealer cults.>Hive Fleet Kraken comes, 250 years later.>First 4 planets fall. IoM assumes were Behemoth splinter fleets. No relation beyond their position in the galactic map.>Then a 'benign' GG/IC erupts in a coup de'tat. Toppling a subsector into anarchy and war. Deathwatch tries to silence Patriarch of Genestealer Cult. Fails. Death throes of Patriarch overwhelms Blanks and calls Kraken forth.>
>>50479310>>50502489>>50511627>>50517277>>50517501Oh and I have an idea or a silly thought on what type of person would be a member of the those separatists. Specifically in the human side. Look at pic.
>>50556045SHOW SOME RESPECTI like it.
So what about Khan?It says that he was a former military commander of Ursh that presumably changed sides before the end of the war.
Are there still the lesser craftworlds or have they bee amalgamated into their bigger cousins?
>>50556045So what? When governmnet officials investigate an attack on an official government location, serveilience footage show a fat human Man Wearing a snake mask fighting and beating Howling Banshees with nunchucks and he was also able to kill highly skilled human and eldar soldiers by throwing random objects at them with lethal throws?
>>50559044I don't get the reference.
>>50559987It's Hotline Miami
Are the Hrud allowed to migrate across the Imperium?Tarellians should still be around if the early Imperium wasn't as insanely nuke-happy. Are the lizard people members?
>>50561431The Imperium is the reason the hrud are nomads in the first place.
>>50562040Are they this time or are they one of the peoples the Imperium ignored until they started letting other people in?
Bumping for hope of future writefaggatory.
If we're making Luther the Arch-Traitor, we need a reason for the Dark Angels to try to cover up the events during the WotB. Maybe it's because while each Legion had either split or turn fully, the DA had 2/3rds going traitor/MIA. Which qualifies them as traitors in normal circumstances if the Lion didn't order the Loyalist DA to cover up the fact. Compounded further by the fact that most of the Veteran and recruit DAs that were under Luther turned traitor or were duped into it.
>>50561431I imagine that the Tarellians are still around, if scattered by the tyranid invasions. During the unification and the Great Crusade, the Steward encountered the Tarellians. Though their race had never risen to match the levels of the Eldar, they had a modest interstellar confederation of loosely aligned agriworlds. At first, things went well enough. The Tarellians were cautious, and after a few inconclusive skirmishes, were receptive to human ambassadors. In point of fact, they scorned worlds that could not last off of their own food supplies, meaning they did not contest Imperial settlers that took the barren (If resource rich) unexploited rocks in systems surrounding them. But, eventually, one Tarellian governor got greedy, and attempted to enslave a human colony en masse to manufacture weapons for his soldiers. Well, the Imperium sent a naval ship, and the governor ran back to his confederates, and a war started. The Tarellians were good fighters. Managed a few wins against the odds, due to bickering and overconfident Imperial generals. Then a primarch came. Luckily, it was only Dorn, but just the same the Tarellians were beaten horrifically, and quickly forced to peace. A white peace with mild reparations, but one that shattered the Tarellian confederacy over the shame.Nowadays, there's no more Tarellian confederacy. The fractured states were left alone, and "Tarellian Space" was just another lawless backwater. Until the tyranids came. The Imperium intervened (Even over the protest of some particularly proud Tarellian despots), but the damage was done as a full quarter of the Tarellian species died fighting on worlds consumed. Now, the Tarellian sector is peaceful. The provide mercenaries and foodstuffs. They're likeable enough, and cautiously judged by the Inquisition as mostly loyal subjects, even if some Tarellian mercenaries are found among ork and chaos warbands, and the rest mutter about how Tarellia will rise again from time to time.
>>50572174>Tarellia will rise againI can imagine mentioning Tarellian history to the Tau used to be a favorite among imperial diplomats, and reminding the Tarellians about the Tau enclave remains a favored hobby among guardsmen serving with them.
>>50571682Was Vandire not already arch-traitor? Not against the lore for Luther, but 2/3 of a legion doesn't seem to cut it for 'arch-traitor'
>>50425952>Noblebright>Nobledark>GrimdarkIs there such a thing as Grimbright? What would it entail?
>>50573031Fear and loathing in Las Vegas
>>50571682As a percentage and as a basic number more DAs fell to Chaos than any other type of Space Marine.
>>50571682>>50572665Well given that WotB replaces HH, the thing is that no legion or primarch ever turned fully. DAs are le bad bois sheerly because they had a sizable proportion (or even majority) of them turn traitor at all.
>>50573031>>50573620Tau.Sseriously, think about it.
>>50573031See it on a spectrum. Grim/Noble is a spectrum where how much does an individual's victory matter. Where Grim is where the world doesn't notice, and Noble is where one man can change the fate of the world/galaxy.Dark/Bright is a different spectrum. Dark is where hope doesn't exist. Every victory is Pyrrhic and the cosmos wants you dead at all cost. A dark world is one where life sucks, and usually not long : whether it be because of demon overlords 'nids or even the lack of water, everyone in this story may die, and they die for good. If you lose an arm, you play a cripple. In the extreme cases, even when you win a fight, your career is over (gangrene etc…). That means that, even though people may be ready to help (noble), people will need a good reason to do so, since stepping out of line is so dangerous.Bright is where opportunities exists, of adventures and wonders. In a bright world, it's quite possible for people to go on adventure just for the hell of it, since the journey is it's own reward. Resurrection, or at least means to heal grave injuries, are usually accessible, to counterbalance the fact that the risks out there are real.
>>50556045>>50557576>>50559044>>50559987>>50561410>Jake goes to a tattoo shop after his successful mission on killing human and eldar personnel on a hidden government facility given that he was told about by not! 50 Blessings>Jake: "I want a tattoo, in my left shoulder. The good ol' Aquilla; the Imperial Eagle. Right here.>Eldar Tattoo Artist: "OK sir will do, but not today. How's Friday sounds like?">Jake: "What? Not now!? It has to be now, I'm celebrating, this is a special occasion!">Eldar Tattoo artist: "Sorry sir, but we're all fully booked right now. Just write you're name in here and come back at Friday.>Jake: "IS THIS HOW YOU TREAT YOUR CUSTOMERS! FORGET IT! YOU JUST LOST YOURSELF A CUSTOMER YOU KNIFE-EARED BITCH! SHOW SOME GODDAMN RESPECT!">Eldar tattoo artist: *in an nonchalant manner* "Sure thing, what ever you say sir."
>>50575348Dark doesn't necessarily mean that hope doesn't exist, just that the world can be hostile and that evil exists as a very real threat. LoTR is probably the best known example of nobledark. >>50551949Luther being a proto-rogue trader is a bit out there for me. Like I think you're mirroring canon where his resentment comes from being put on garrison duty on Caliban, but this seems a bit bizarre.
>>50575348The dark/bright is pretty accurate, although the individual victories fold into dark/bright.Grim/Noble is about the quality of the *people* of the setting. Freedoms and honour are a big thing in a noble setting; it's not about the victory, but the means used to get there. Grim virus bombs worlds and purges the unclean, while Noble fights glorious last stands to save others - regardless of how effective they are in their aims.In this sense, there is still a decent amount of nobledark in vanilla 40k (although little if any noblebright). The Battles of Iyanden, Macragge and even Terra are definitely nobledark (the former almost being noblebright save for the huge losses inflicted on the Eldar there); the reason 40k is grimdark is because the Noble are so massively outnumbered by the Grim. Inquisitorial or Ecclesiarchial purges, hive cities, the exterminatii being unleashed to /slow down/ a hive fleet are all GRIMdark - and the fact that half of the "protagonists" of the setting have turned to Chaos while a sizable portion of the other half hate each other.>>50574952 is surprisingly right, too. Tau are by all means bright - expanding, idealistic and apparently tolerant - but the way the other races are treated compared to the Tau themselves, as well as the control the Ethereals have, makes them decidedly Grim.
Bumping because I want to see this discussion continue.
>>50578353LotR being nobledark seems right, and kinda works with >>50579087So we're kinda ending up with something like>Grimdark: CSMs, "Ork Snipers" et al>Nobledark: Iyanden's avatar challenging the hive tyrant but getting raped by carnifexes>Grimbright: you *will* submit to the Greater Good>Noblebright: Astral Knights taking down the World Engine, and being immortalised for their troubles
So what of the Blackstone Fortresses this time?
>>50583833Oh boy, I keep forgetting to check out the canon lore on those things...
>>50583833They're DAoT right? if so King Goldy and Foxy Grandpa want them bad, to the point of even considering conflict with the mechanicus if it becomes necessary. Actually If Emps is a Man of Gold I'd be curious as to his relationship with the Mechanicus. They're notably both more independent and usually slightly less dogmatic in this AU, and seem a bit more fractured in their orthodoxies, with more radicals and strict traditionalists in equal proportion as one moves toward the frontier. Mars itself might actually have a very strong relationship with the imperial navy, seeing as they and the folk of Horus would have had a pre-existing relationship. I imagine their preimperial history would be something like confederated warrior nomads/fortress kingdom, except the nomads' herds are the asteroid belt and their rides are millennia old starships, so they trade mars massive resources from the star system for mechanical services and the rare replacement of ships over the age of strife. The "slow transhumanist through abhumanism" ideology we've given horus and his voidborn would be really interesting to see in close, long term proximity to the cult of the Mechanicus. A cultural belief in holy technology and faith in the greatness of the secrets of lost age, and in greater ineffable forces active within technology (all very compatible with void life on an ancient ship) would also work well with Horus's actions in the unification and war of the beast. I have one last final I need to work on, but this is making me want to writefag the Steward's first official audience with the Martian Mechanicus and Horus Lupercal, the Captain Preeminent, Admiral of the ships of the Captains of The Inner Belt, Lord Protector of the of the Greeks and Trojans and Hildas, fleetmaster of the Kuiper traverse guard, etc. How I'm imagining it is that earth and its orbit had been an ongoing shit-show for the age of strife but once unification starts to stick the outer system gets interested.
>>50579087I stand by fear and loathing in las vegas as an example of grimbright that works without bearing on 40k. As you've laid it out grim/noble in broadly militaristic terms of actions, I'd say on a more tonal level nobility in deed is in the personally ennobling value of the act and in the underlying story structure, and humanistic outlooks on more minor levels than extermiatus. Grim deeds could be callous, pragmatic, dogmatic, libidinous, accidental, necessary, whatever, but do essentially come down to the rendering of human effort, emotion, and worth disposable or impotent in some manner. Thus I'd call the tale of an unhinged, drug fueled, semi-criminal escapade that tumbles about the madness and malaise of an era, the characters rendered intelligent beasts by their efforts instead of being elevated by their nature, grim. But as its characters maintain momentum from episode to episode, can successfully carve a path through a world and experience its vibrancy, and that this setting is diverse in valid conflicting motives and concepts I dare call it bright despite the profuse collateral damage and anguish.
>>50586564I thought the Blackstone Fortresses were built by the necrons?
>>50587250>callous, pragmatic, dogmatic, libidinous, accidental, necessary, whatever, but do essentially come down to the rendering of human effort, emotion, and worth disposable or impotent in some manner.This...is exactly what I meant, actually, just couldn't put into words very well.
>>50587250Damn, you're making me want to give Fear and Loathing a shot now. I've avoided it because of Hunter S Thompson's reputation as a meme author read by pretentious assholes, but perhaps that's unfair.>>50587932Yeah, they were. I think they're an anti-Chaos superweapon.
>>50588574Wait, I'm confused the Blackstone Fortresses with the Cadian Pylons. According to the wiki the Blackstone Fortresses are Old One weapons made to fight the Necrons.
>>50588756This.Old Ones weapons that fire warp lasers.Used to fuck up Void Dragon back in the day.Inherited by the eldar when Old Ones died.Known to them as Talismans of Vaul.Lost when eldar empire died.Possibly rediscovered by Imperium/Chaos.
>>50588574there's this one article he wrote when biker gangs were becoming a bigger thing where he just starts showing up buzzed-to-wasted at hell's angels events, comes off as too burnt out to really be a journalist, and mostly writes about shit local bikers are accused of and how if you actually knew what gangs do what stuff, and which are even real, etc, you'd grasp that a lot of the stories are bullshit, and more often than not they're the ones beating down the really fucked up bikers, and that their events often make a good party. Gonzo journalism is what VICE wants to be, but Gonzo reporters in the vein of the drug fueled, gun toting, self avowed arch-nemesis of Richard Nixon being paid to to go chill in some weird place in time, take it all in, and come back with the story.
>>50588756Can eldar actually use them without the Old Ones?
This might sound like a stupid question but are there any of the Old One still living by the time of 40k?In the pre-ward Necron Codex it did make some suggestion of using WHFB Lizardmen models to represent the degenerated descendants of them. But I don't know if that counts as actuall official fluff or just something for TT fun.And if it did count as official fluff has it been retconned?
How about 2 of the Blackstone Fortresses being found.One by the Luna Wolves in the early part of M33 in orbit of some nowhere star.Unable to get it to work without the knowhow of the eldar they eventually did go to them for help with it. They went to the craftworld of Lugganath who have great ties with the Harlequins and so have much old and obscure lore.Sadly due to the small number of the Blackstones only a select few ever bothered to learn how they worked back in the old days and none of them still lived either in the flesh or half-lived in the Infinity Circuit. None survived The Fall.They managed to get the weapons working but only the short range defense Fuck Your Shit Up beams. It's currently being used as the core of the Luna Wolves flag ship, a one of a kind monstrosity of Eldar and Mechanicus technology wrapped around a fragment of Old One greatness.It doesn't move fast. But when it get somewhere it gets there hard.Erebus has incorporate the other into his new war chariot known to the lesser mortals as the Planet Killer. It is flesh and blood and iron and warpstuff twisted into some horrific design, powered by deamons and strange things uncategorized by Imperial scholars and unnamed by the damned.The Tau have found another one. They have no fucking idea what it is other than it is old and it sings to them when they sleep.
>>50601096Sounds good. You'd think the Tau would see the Luna Wolves' fuckhueg flagship and put 2 and 2 together though.On a separate note, what writefaggotry is there in the pipeline?
>>50602559It's a big galaxy it's very possible that the Tau have never even seen pictures of the Luna Wolves Pimpship.All they know is that it was mistaken for an asteroid due to all the shit coating it. Also it couldn't possibly be as old as the accumulation of dust indicates, nothing was space faring that long ago surely.Tau have no appreciation of how old the war is.
>>50602679The tomb of Horus should be somewhere deep in the Blackstone part of the ship, and there should be wired legends about it revolving around the holy unity of mighty technologies and the gleaming sarcophagus in the heart of the ship that holds the most sacred remains of the Captain Preeminent.
>>50583833Image search returned nothing. Would you mind pointing me in the right direction?On topic. I want to get into 40k in general. What books should I start with? What Is a good way to determine whether I should start up a minis collection and wargame?
>>50605031that's from Spinnerette. It's a decent web comic
>>50587932Eldar actually, or old ones. They're also called talismans of vaul.
>>50604271Sounds good. Could be a Voidborn pilgrimage site.
>>50606076So we all agree that the Ethereals will be basically the elders of Zion but real.
>>50599660>Ewwww, look at this disgusting flesh bag. No machine bits in it. Absolutely disgraceful.
>>50611504LOL, ofcourse that thread's bound to be all;>eldar waifuing!? REEEEEE!!!!>Imperial wanking!? REEEEEEEE!!!
>>50611504Hmmm... Lets try pondering about this:>>50608886>>50609132>>50611128>>50611211
>>50611992Could be a fresh initiate or a biologicus.
How are the Legio Cybernerica?Are they still a thing?It was previously mentioned that the Men of Gold were designed to be intermediaries with common man and the god-like A.I. of the Golden Age.With the Emperor as the last MoG how would he view the Imperium's simple robots?
Man, if we don't get a fresh infusion of writefaggotry this thread is a goner
Defibrillator medic! BUMP!
>>50586564I could see several attitudes of the Mechanicus towards Emps. One side of the spectrum would probably be cooperation and subservience, since he's a personification of the lost glory of the DAoT and a pinnacle of human technology, whereas on the other extreme side the Mechanicus feels they should control the Emperor, since technology should serve man and not the other way around. Their attempts to steal the Man of Gold psy-programming artifact found alongside the Emps have so far failed and been met with harsh Inquisitorial sanction, but it has not stopped some more extreme splinter groups from trying...
>>50622344Interesting potential, but almost no-one *knows* that Emps is a Man of Gold.
>>50623172Could just be a small conspiracy of high ranking extremist magos who somehow found out orchestrating clueless minions then.
>>50623308Some of Malcador's scavenger crew knew what he was. The knowledge of what Emperor is could be just really obscure rather than actually forbidden.
So what would Krieg be like in this timeline? Would they believe in something similar to being reincarnated on Terranis?>has recently rediscovered Love and Krieg
>>50624956Krieg's been done, and quite well in my opinion. Here:https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Drafts#Krieg
>>50622344I'd earlier written something involving psychic AI being needed to program men of gold, and that being one reason among others as to why they blew up so bad in the age of strife, why making more is a horrible idea even if it were possible, and why reprogramming the Emperor is incredibly iffy. From there I'm picturing Men of Gold in the age of strife like TITANs in eclipse phase or culture Minds that fell to Chaos, with bodies something like metallic art-deco humanoids. Aside from the Emperor other men of gold have no place actually appearing in the galaxy at the time of the imperium, they're on a scale meant for the age of strife/slaany's birthday or the war in heaven. The memory of their incredible horrors of perfectly ordered Chaos could actually be what elevates humanity to alliance-worthy status in the eyes of the Eldar. Chaos controled Men of Gold, presumably accompanied by legions of advanced robots, would be a derailing presence in the setting, but the thought of explorator fleets finding worrying signs of advanced activity and unknown relics to rival any Eldar or Necron's without really knowing how to respond is appealing. Because humanity is on a diplomatic footing with way more of the galaxy they have access to and understand more of its history and their place in it. The idea of the Men of Gold as the anti-tyranids, an incomprehensibly horrible thing that suddenly jumped out and bolted, leaving madness in its wake and confounding history, seems a good addition to the list of threats. I imagine it presents a threat to this more efficient and inquisitive version of the imperium doesn't find with normal chaos, chaos eldar, or demon orks, all of which can be fought effectively. Necrons and dark eldar have history with their allies, there's nothing on the tyranids minds, but even untainted shards of the DAoT might easily topple the human order and the alliance with it.
>>50626256How powerful, as an individual, do you think a MoG should be?Without the society of the Golden Age to back them up.Would the Emperor be inconvenienced by a squad of Grey Knights and threatened by a company of them?
>>50623308Or maybe an insane Inquisitor who thinks they should know what way the Imperium should be run.The psy-graft might not even work on Emperor by this point. It was designed to write on an empty slate with no prior experiences. Now the Emperor has seen some shit and shit related accessories. The intrusive and artificial thoughts might be shrugged off like any other mental attack.
I'll do something to extend the Russ section when get back from walking dog.
>>50627045the Emperor ought to be as personally powerful as his canon version, with a bit more definition and specificity to his psychic and scientific ability because he has made a point of experimenting with figuring out how to maximize his abilities. On the other hand, his mixed relationship with accepting deification may lead him not to utilize the full extent of his warp based influence, and his reluctance to use such a tactic could be related to the other men of gold. Because he doesn't turn himself into a self-influencing warp singularity he's still below the eldar gods, and well below the chaos gods, in terms or reality altering power. The Emperor is like a solar exalt dropped into 40k and was raised and educated by malcador, and the raid to rescue isha is a good upper limit to his combat feats. He can successfully thwart a chaos god's will in its own realm, given prep time and veteran soldiers, assuming divine politics and feuds work out in his favor. He could presumably elude any force he couldn't defeat, and overpowers any given non-god individual or unit up to the most kitted out necron lords or c'tan shards. DAoT men of gold I think would be insepperable from their technological power, the first things they would have done would be to grab STCs and memorize/eat them, but their resulting personal power would be insane. I say they would have blame! levels of firepower and technological might, and the same comparison ought to describe the scale of their operation. Weather they fell to chaos is something I'm undecided about, but they would be individually as powerful as a culture ship or safeguard corrupted by chaos. Encountering their leftovers, dyson sphere lasers and shattered ringworlds and chunks of hellish city, out in the great cold of the galaxy's edge is sufficient to worry Necron explorers, let alone imperial ones.
>>50626256>Men of Gold as the anti-tyranids>even untainted shards of the DAoT might easily topple the human order and the alliance with itI don't quite understand what you're getting at here, but it sounds fucking awesome. Moar?
>>50630548I'm not even sure what the Emperor's canon power level is at this point. Is it like the old William King fluff where he's a direct threat to the combined powers of Chaos, or is it like the new Black Library HH shit where he can't even take on a single demon? (Thanks for shitting up the Emperor's fluff with your daddy issues again ADB)
>>50632523Well, here- https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Drafts#Malcador - you'll see that he can voidwalk mid-Warp without protection and single-handedly repel an attempted Chaos attack on the ship-- before his mind was fully developed.So while he's no Warp God in this universe, he is definitely a very powerful anti-Chaos weapon.>the new Black Library HH shit where he can't even take on a single demon... WHUT.
>>50622344>the Man of Gold psy-programming artifactIs this what's in the terminus decree in this universe?
>>50633494Lets not have a definitive answer to that.Lets leave that in the box.
>>50629909The story of Leman Russ starts in the land of Skan among the Nordyc peoples. He was born to a woman called Ragna, considered wise by the clans and so her affection oft courted though not especially beautiful.Russ’ father was Thengir, tribal king of the Kalararit people. That his mother and father were not married was seen as nothing too odd by the peoples of Skand, especially when his father was Thengir.Russ’ education was about as formal as it was ever going to get among a tribe of fishermen, semi-raiders and occasional traders. Although most men did not become warriors as a full time profession all men were expected to be able to fight in times of need. In this Russ found his calling. The ways of war came easy to him. He grew tall and broad at the shoulders with powerful musculature and boundless stamina. He became well versed in the care and maintenance of his tribes weapons, from autoguns to the humble war axe. He was peerless in the execution of ambush warfare on land and of boarding actions upon the cold seas. Sadly the ways of the scholar did not come as readily to his mind. Although by no means unintelligent he did not, especially in his youth, have the temperament for understanding the needs of large-scale or long-term expeditions.In time he grew up to be the strong right hand of King Thengir who had lost his own right hand some years previously in a bitter and bloody dispute with the former king Clovis Fouché of Franj. The hate of the Franj would never leave him, Russ could be very stubborn.The men and women of the Kalararit respected Russ who could be quite charming in a blunt sort of way. Russ did take a wife, of his own choosing rather than his father’s insistence. Linnea was probably the one part of softness in Russ’ life and possibly the only thing in later years that held his bloodlust in check. Many of the Kalararit suspected that she possessed more wisdom than he, she certainly possessed great patience.
>>50634120It was when Russ was still a young man that a foreigner in dusty grey robes came to his father’s thatched hall. He came with offerings of strong wine, silks and laser rifles in chests with lightning bolt heraldry upon them. His companions were strange, their armour was of a sort not seen in the lands of Skand or it’s neighbours. They were silver and matte grey and segmented with face covering helmets. The stranger walked with the aid of a stick with a metal eagle perched atop it. The stranger was accompanied by a giant dressed in a manner of common man. This was the first time that Russ saw the man who would soon be know to Old Earth as The Warlord.Some time into the deliberations between the robed man and the king another giant, this one dressed in the manner of a wandering shaman, strode into the hall and was called over by the first giant to sit besides him. At the time Russ thought little of it and just assumed it not unreasonable that a giant would have giant kin. This was the first he saw of Magnus and many times down the centuries he wished it had been the last.Over the next few months other tribal chieftains and kings found themselves drawn to the hall of Thengir the Cripple. Much was discussed, marriages were arranged, oaths sworn and gifts exchanged. It was disconcerting for the young warrior. To his mind the world was changed by strong men doing great deeds, with blood and iron and sweat. But her he watched as old men and scribes carved up the world and told the future how it was going to be.This he though, as he looked at the maps and the increasingly long lists being drawn, this was true power. One great warrior could do great deeds but this was something rather more lasting.
>>50634215And that's all I got so far for now.If anyone else want to carry it on then be my guest, I'm just trying to get it up to the point where it starts on the 1d4chan drafts page.Feel free to redo it if it;s too bad.It is late, I am tired adn I think my brain is crapping out.
>>50633387Yeah, I've read that bit of writefaggotry, it's good stuff. I just meant in the official canon Emp's power level is all over the place now with the stuff shown in the HH books. In the new Master of Mankind book, the Emperor fights Drach'nyen and is unable to defeat it, all he can do is bind it to a Custodes and kick the unfortunate Custodes into the Webway. Seriously, what the fuck.As a sidebar, it seriously irritates me that ADB retconned it so that Emps feels nothing for the Primarchs and views them only as tools. By itself, it might be interesting to explore, but then you have to explain why Emps picked Horus as Warmaster when even Horus thought Sangy was an objectively better choice, or why he didn't instagib Horus during the final fight if he didn't have any love for his son. Though Laurie Goulding did say that even the final fight is up for retconning, so who knows what will happen.ADB could have tweaked it so that the Emperor has some complicated feelings towards the Primarchs, but nope, it's full on "my daddy didn't love me so no one's dads can love them." Just another example of how the BL HH is a hot mess.
>>50634621Oh, CANON. AhahahahaaaaaaaaaH. Yeaaaah, I just end up headcanoning a general ballpark for Emps power level, *completely disregarding* the HH novels. (Seriously, BASELINE HUMANS can banish Chaos demons, everyone knows that!)Short version of my humble opinion, whatever he is now, he was *definitely not* a Warp God pre-Heresy, but he *was* (based on comparing him and Malcador) several/many times more powerful than any normal human psyker, and *IS* uniquely adapted for fighting/resisting Chaos (based on the "Anathema" thing). The rest is *SHRUG*.The familial retcon sadly isn't even *close* to the most outrageous thing I've heard about BL HH, I swear that Games Workshop have absolutely lost their sorry little minds if they think I'm going to buy that crap. I simply refuse to consider the series canon.And I must say, the fact everyone credits the family issues to ADB is making me a leeetle nervous about the Lord Inquisitor fanfilm...
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>>50634266Not bad so far>>50635261I'm partial to the old William King fluff where he's almost on par with the Chaos Gods, hence why they have to team up to take him down. He was probably a bit overpowered, but it made for a nice tragedy that this god-like being let himself get beat to almost death by his favorite son because of the all too human emotion of love.
>>50639243Yeah, the way the 40K universe (usually/sort of) works I think it's actually easier to justify most stuff if he's a little overpowered than underpowered.
>>50639243I'll finish it off once done morning things.
>>50634215There were tribes and clans and petty little kingdoms that would not entertain the notions of peace. They saw the plans of Malcador and The Warlord for what they were; the soft subjugation, capitulation, compromise and surrender. They had pride, they had principles of the Strong domination the weak and they would not roll over and submit. They left the great hall of the Kalararit and never again would they be welcomed there.Of the tribes that were incapable of joining the new one were left behind to die in their old world of savagery by one means or another. Most imply withered and died as the Nordyc peoples formed a true nation and they could no longer attract new blood and all their young went to find new lives and work in the rebuilt cities of Gamsta and Akershus and the reclaimed and prosperous farmlands that surrounded them.Few were foolish enough to outright attack the fledgling Imperium. Few but still some. These tribal savages were brought to ruin by the Nordyc men who insisted, nay demanded, that it be they that dealt with this problem. FOr all that they were they were brothers and once they had been friends. As with the Old Way their warriors and kings were slain, their women and children assimilated into the more prosperous tribes to be cared for and their lands given to young Skandish men and women looking to found tribes of their own. It was the last practice of that law of conquest and Russ was there at the closing of that era smoking with the fresh blood of the slain. It was not a thing in which he found any joy, but he knew it had to be done.It was from some unremembered tribe slain by his hand that he obtained his second wife. Herself not of the Nordyc peoples but a former slave bought from exotic climes. This marriage was at the insistence of his aging father, Russ was a wealthy warrior of the nobility and it was his duty to care for the slain.
>>50641842Febronia had been a court slave kept by a petty chief too lazy to learn basic literacy and she was fluent in an improbably large number of languages both written and spoken and passable in many others.Linnea was, to her credit, understanding of the situation. It was the way of things for her people in that era though that era was drawing to a close. In time she and Febronia became good friends. It was often joked by Russ's companions that he preferred the battlefield to the hearth of home because he felt less out numbered. Between them Russ and his wives had many children but by some fluke of genetics and chance only daughters.It was at about this time that the Thunder Warrior program was being phased out. The two alternate branches of Super Soldier production that the Imperium was perusing were the Canis Helix project and the Astartes project.First test subjects of both seemed good but ultimately Russ volunteered for the former as it would play to and enhance his strengths. By pure chance he was spared the crippling mutations and biological failures that plagued those that took this choice in the years that followed. Indeed he was one of only a handful of successes, the only name of another to survive the passage of time being Bjorn "Fellhanded" of Kraken Bay.
>>50641899I'm out of brain juice again.If nobody else salvages this I'll have to carry on again after I finish work.
>>50641899Although the "Dog Soldiers" fought magnificently and ferociously the failure rate and the nature of the failures was too much for the Warlord to accept and the whole project was scrapped, it's resources given over to the more reliable Super Soldier branch.As time time and war ground onward the Nordyc regiments earned fame and infamy. They were brutally effective but with, The Warlord felt, too much emphasis placed upon brutal. Much as the bloody antics of Curze and the calculated atrocities of Mortarion this was permitted under sufferance. Victory was always afforded some leeway and the wars were only a means to an end and Russ's carnage was expediting that end.In the final days of the Ursh-Pacific union the Skandish raised regiments and it's newly minted Wolves of the North were never present in the major battles, much to their regret. They were more suited to harrying moving forces and prevented much reinforcement allowing a smother and less costly victory for the other Legions.As Old Earth united and The Steward looked out to space Russ was elevated to the exalted rank of Primarch.To the disgust of Russ so were Lion of house El Jonson and Magnus the Red.The Lion, as a knight of Franj, was an ancestral enemy as Lion's father Luther was responsible for the late king Thengir's maiming. Magnus the Red was a warp dabbling mutant who confessed to having consorted with deamons. Both of whom had personalities that were utterly incompatible with his own and the feeling was mutual. It was rare that Legion elements under their jurisdictions would work together.
>>50646712That's about all I got. It's up to the bit on the 1d4chan page more or less.It's not exactly brilliant. In fact it's pretty fucking awful. Sorry.
>>50649190Needs a polish and I think that Luther is Lion's older brother, but the story looks OK.
>>50649190>that picIs that Markiplier (before having his pink hair) with an edlar girlfriend!?
>>50651598Feel free to alter it when/if it goes on 1d4chan page.
>>50633494The Terminus Decree allows the opening of the Omega Vault.It contains the last and most terrifying member of the Ordo Chronus.
>>50602679>Tau have no appreciation of how old the war is.The War in Heaven never ended. It's just been going on for so long people just see it as background noise. The War, for there is only one war, has been going for more than 65 million years. It shows no sign of ending. It was fought before humanity arose and will be waged after they are dust. War eternal.
>>50439335wtf?? i need to know what happened there
>>50659878>I think that 40k needs some AoS treatment>*Opinion of the masses barrage*
I think this alt-lore is nice.Even in original setting, things would be considerably less fucked if Eldar and Mankind cooperated, if not for a bit.Keep the good work.
>>50660795Thanks fampai, if you fancy chipping in, all are welcome!
>>50660795Thanks bro. Got any suggestions?
>>50660883Well, I'm not into writefaggotry, but was taking a look at 1d4chan.I will sort some ideas and come back later.
Is Valhalla still an ice ball?This time the comet might have been diverted.It was mentioned that Kriegers came through the webway to save Iyanden. This was written before the writefaggetry grimmed Krieg up to 11 and made them xenophobic.It would make more sense if they were Valhallens.This time the 'Nids came earlier. If they arrived before the comet and Valhalla saved them then they might repay the favour.I put forth this suggestion.Because of the two million Valhallan soldiers that came marching through the webway when the comet came through into view it was intercepted by Iyanden craftworld, captured with great tethers and devoured.Valhalla remains a green and pleasant world.
>>50662375Krieg goes where the Emperor wills it.Which in turn highlights two things. First the krieg act on orders. Puny things like personal dislike for filthy xenos is irrelevant compared to orders.Second: It's established that the Eldar keep human use to the webway on a bare minimum because the extra strain several trillion potential psykers put to the web.Krieg are mentally numbed, that's why that gamble with them and Iyaden was made.But still nice idea. Valhalla needs fluff. We have far to much about Primarchs, Empy and Krieg compared to everything else.
>>50663856Alright then a lesser craftworld that comes to their aid just because space is wide and good friends are too few.Yme-loc unless anyone wants a different one.They are know for their artisans so maybe they build a big net and catch it, attach their relatively small craftworld to it and then steer both into a stable orbit.Yme-loc gets a new neighbours, all the ice it could ever want and the eternal gratitude of the Valhallans.Valhallans get their world saved, a new friends and someone to help them because 20ish years later the orks came.Yme-loc helps them fight off the orks and they and the Valhallans get into an arrangement. Elder neighbours provide them with imitation las-rifles and other wargear as well as sharing any farseer predictions that look interesting. Valhalla provides food and soldiers.
>>50425952Do the bugs need to change? Maybe play with their powerlevel a little but their overall goal and design doesn't need to change.
>>50664544Bugs are pretty much the same, except they've been quicker; the main fleet has arrived and the entire eastern galaxyboard (especially Tau & Friends) are frantically requisitioning clean trousers from the Imperium. Same shit happened with Kryptman and Co, except maybe with more successful defences against the hive fleets - only for it to turn out to be barely slowing down the vanguard fleets.Seriously, this is some fantastic territory for some nobledark writefaggotry.
>>50664544They arrived earlier.All the major battles were bumped to earlier dates.The Hive Fleets were destroyed and now only splinter fleets remain. Great victory. Much rejoice. Very celebrate.And now the happy ends.The main Hive Fleet has arrived. Shit is abouts to get real.
>>50663856Krieg swore obedience and loyalty to the Throne, not the Emperor.
>>50666671Isn't that more of an issue of semantics though, I imagine they're still unquestioningly obedient to the Emps.
>>50666671>>50668931Those semantics really came to the forefront during the dethroning of Emperor Vandire, where, because the Assassins (and presumably Krieg, according to anon) swore loyalty to the throne and the Imperium rather than the Emperor. That being said, the Steward became Emperor throne after that and for all intents and purposes has been (and is) the Throne incarnate.
>>50669051Nevertheless. The Emperor's dream is that the wars will be over one day and then he can fade away from the job.Throne will remain.
>>50669051Vandire was M36 while Krieg didn't get nuked until M40, and the whole fanaticism thing came after the civil war.It does raise the question of how the lines in the Great Civil War would be drawn though. The obviously corrupt would follow Vandire, but is there anything that would lead good and honorable men to side with him even when the Steward comes back in person to kick ass?
>>50666671I think we were also having Horus, thus the imperial navy, eldar craftworlds, and other independent minded powers swearing loyalty to the imperium and the throne/emperor, while most of the unification era power structure, including the imperial army and the primarch's legions are traditionally sworn to the steward/eventual emperor. This might have been a major part of the beheading crisis and vandire ascent crisis, and even without high level mutinies this difference in oath and ultimate command structure might be a point of interservice friction and preference in the imperial ranks. On a strategic level this hasn't really been a problem because the empty throne couldn't really disagree with the steward and high lords, and after the vandier crisis it became moot because the steward was made emperor. Still, there remain millennia old parties across the galaxy that believe in an empty throne, or a procession of human or even eldar emperors with the deific steward and holy mother at their side. These forces are no overt threat to the imperium, and stand among all of its staunchest defenders. However, they represent a vast multitude that would see the emperor return to stewardship and relinquish imperator's power should a worthy mortal arise again, even in memory of the vandire crisis. The most radical of these parties go so far as to raise up and sponsor the noblest of imperial men and elevate them so far as men can be, body and mind and deed, in hope of forwarding a champion worthy of the Emperor's abdication. Even still, there are rumors of groups that might dare usurpation for their champion over the ever temperate golden man. In the past these cabals have been put down tactfully, even permitting negotiations of a sort, but in such matters the Emperor's home rule might be called an iron fist in a velvet glove.>>50635261>The rest is *SHRUG*As the guy that's been pushing the emperor=Golden man angle I'm happy to scribble out more stuff.
>>50673172How about Krieg was already beyond fallout levels of propaganda saturated before imperial contact and was allowed to remain that way because despite joining and complying with the imperium they were beyond their ability to social engineer to fix. They built the throne loyalty into their already semi-psychotic propaganda for a few generations, got hit with the vandire crisis, and became essentially die-hard, loyal to the throne, doesn't matter if vandire is nuts oathbound gentleman soldier enemies, until the civil war tears them to bits.
>>50673793>Ronahn ironically has walked the path of "The E-Celeb" that he oh-so-hates so much>he has become the very thing he rants about
>>50668931>>50669051>>50674040The way I see it the original Nation of Earth swore loyalty to The Empty Throne of Earth as did the rest of the Sol nations with the exception of Mars who formally agreed to a two-way binding alliance with the young ImperiumThe 20 Primarchs got sent out to largely do their own thing whilst the Steward stayed at home to administrate.The Primarchs when encountering a devolved primitive society would unify the planet by the most expedient way possible and then get the appointed representative of the planet to swear loyalty to either the Imperium, the Empty Throne or the Steward depending on prevailing cultural norms of the dominant cultural preferences in the leader group of that planet.Worlds with stories of a Great King figure who would come back to save them from Old Night, a quite common type of story that arises on a thousand worlds, typically have the Steward inserted into that role to ease integration.Worlds that do still remember the Golden Age typically swore loyalty to the Imperium as it is that Golden Age Empire being rebuilt.Worlds with a prophesy about a King who will arise one day in the distant future to rule over them in some far off and already established Golden Age would find it easier to swear obedience to the Empty Throne. Nobody born in this shit era could be as good a leader as a messiah born from a perfect society so long as the current dude is just keeping his seat ready for him then all is well and they will join the vigil and make sure his throne is kept safe.When encountering advanced and sophisticated survivor civilizations like Ultramar, Interex, Hub Worlds (Squats), Colchis (human - elder hybrid society), Chemos and others they were offered the same deal that Mars was.The Steward could see that they were as legitimate an inheritor of the Golden Age Empire as Earth was and knew that had he been salvaged by one of them then he would be offering this deal to Old Earth as their leader.
>>50675170In the case of forgeworlds they would only swear unity with the holy planet of Mars and so the Imperium acquired their cooperation, for the most part, via the alliance with Mars. If Mars was ever to fall it's probable that half the Forgeworlds would become laws unto themselves.The Craftworlds aren't good at doing things formally or at abiding by paperwork. Thy need and love their goddess and their goddess is married to the Steward/Emperor and so they originally followed for that reason And also because Eldrad said it was a good idea and nobody wanted him to kick their ass.Over time the Craftworlds saw the benefits of the Imperium and being a part of it and integrated to greater and lesser extents.Other Xeno people came later. Their inclusion was determined on a case by case basis.Many were given similar deals to the survivor civilizations, most notable the Tau Empire and the remnants of the Tarellian Syndicated Worlds. The Demiurg were the first non-eldar xenos to be incorporated but they had to be dealt with on a Brotherhood by Brotherhood basis more in common with the hammering out of trade deals.
>>50673172>The obviously corrupt would follow VandireNot necessarily. Vandire this time's been cast as a good, competent Emperor that was actually appointed by the Steward himself. He only descends into corruption and madness because of his paranoia that everyone is only loyal to the Steward instead of him - which ironically ends up with him getting btfo by Steward. This is a big case of Loyalty To The Emperor vs Loyalty To The Imperium that happens, for more details go read the Assassin fluff. Pretty damn good, if I say so myself.
>>50675320>because Eldrad said it was a good ideaThis was the original reason for the alliance, though, the marraige cemented some Eldar loyalties but drove others away, especially when the Eldar went all in to help the IoM in the WotB (which obviously lead to a lot of dead spehss elves).
>>50675731The opinion of the other eldar have of Eldrad seems to be;"He's a total lunatic that goes off in some very odd directions but if you follow him you get where you need to be"They might not like him, they might not entirely trust him, they might not feel safe if locked in a room with him but he has undeniably guided the eldar to relative fortune through some rocky times.Also may or may not have a thing for Sister Jubblowski.
What's the stance on making completely new fluff for this setting?Like a new colony with their unique PDF, cultural norms, history, encounters with xenos and so on.
>>50676251Go for it.So long as it doesn't contradict previous fluff or turn into a sue regiment all is good and happy and welcome.
>>50675711I have, and doesn't it sort of support my point? The assassins that follow Vandire are the corrupt ones, and it seems that if his atrocities and madness are public enough to incite a rebellion it would be strange for decent people to pick him over the Steward. I suppose one way to resolve this is to have Vandire be more subtle and better at hiding his craziness so at the beginning it's only in-the-know people close to the government that are aware of what's going on. Thus when Inquisitor Lord Sebastian Thor and the Conclave declare Vandire excommunicate traitoris, to the common man and even some parts of the imperial bureaucracy it looks like a power grab by the Inquisition.
To add to thisYme-Loc is ruled by a council of shipwrights. They have final say on most things not directly related to war. They are descended, in a spiritual sense if not biological, from the original bonesingers stationed on the pre-fall ship the craftworld grew out of.They all set out from the dying of the eldar homeworlds with the intention of finding “The Promised Land”. When they rammed the comet and drifted into orbit of Valhalla the Autarchs demanded that effort be made to fix the engines for strategic reasons. The Shipwrights told them that they would waste no time on that. The boat was beached on the shores of paradise. They had reached The Promised Land. The failed invasion of the orks was seen as the trial of tribulations to see if they deserved to keep their new home.By 999M41 nobody can quite tell where the craftworld ends and the comet starts as the eldar have been gradually sculpting their chunk of ice till it looks like polished slightly blue quartz. It doubles as space port, orbital defence platform and a very pretty moon.Of Valhalla itself the population is at about twenty billion and stable. They dwell in the fortified hives originally designed by Perty in antiquity. Outside the defensive walls it’s all orchards, pastures and fields and with bountiful seas and picturesque beaches.
>>50676616>The assassins that follow Vandire are the corrupt onesThey're not though. They're the ones that are loyal to the grandmaster and the Emperor, regardless of what "they" percieve to be right or wrong. This is still nobleDARK, so blind obedience in the face of what seems to be morally wrong is still a thing, and how easy do you think it would be to say "The Emperor works in mysterious ways" in low gothic?>it would be strange for decent people to pick him over the Steward. Sworn loyalty to the Emperor, not the Steward. The Emperor that the Steward picked and had full faith in, and was, y'know, the single ruler of the entire Imperium.>be more subtle and better at hiding his craziness so at the beginning it's only in-the-know people close to the government that are aware of what's going onAt the beginning his craziness doesn't exist. And then it slowly degrades into paranoia and ever greater mistrust of the ones he think are loyal to the Steward instead of him. He doesn't suddenly turn into space Stalin.>Inquisitor Lord Sebastian Thor and the Conclave declare Vandire excommunicate traitoris>excommunicate traitoris>excommunicate>when there is no Ecclesiarchy>not mentioning how the Steward personally takes down VandireIt...it's almost as if you HAVEN'T actually read the Assassin fluff, anon.
>>50677716Nice pic.So Valhalla isn't an ice ball but Yme-loc literally is.How familiar should the two peoples be beyond the arrangement?
>>50679327>"With the Assassinorum now firmly under his thumb, Vandire used the shadowy assassins as another weapon with which to prosecute what was rapidly becoming a reign of terror; opponents political and military alike disappearing or found butchered in cruel and unusual manners">he's not StalinLiterally whatAnd from the timeline on the original page:>"Inquisitor Sebastian Thor raises rebellion against him and causes the Great Civil War. Steward is rediscovered with the High Priestess of Isha sitting at the bar of a tropical beach resort on some backwater nowhere planet."So no, it is Thor who kicks off the whole thing. I guess you're taking "excommunicate traitoris" kind of literally, but it doesn't necessarily have to be a religious decree, just what the imperium calls its edicts of excommunication. So have YOU read the our fluff, or are you just wildly retconning things to suit yourself?
>>50679826>"Goge Vandire was, initially, the ideal servant of the Imperium."This is then followed by four (4) paragraphs describing his fall to paranoia and inasnity, and the fact that, as I said,>He doesn't SUDDENLY turn into space Stalin.You seem to be confusing our Vandire (a decent guy with an inferiority complex brought on by being continuously compared to a fucking Man of Gold who THEN goes mad) with the vanilla Vandire (who's just a shitty, power hungry cunt from start to finish). So, returning to the main point, Vandire's followers in the AoA are not necessarily the corrupt ones (since the whole point of that bit in the Assassinorum fluff is that, since the grandmaster was replaced, nobody questions the new orders, /because the assassinorum is just like that/ ). Why the fuck would the Steward-turned-Emperor offer>a window of clemency, where an amnesty would be offered regardless of allegianceif it was only the corrupt that were supporting Vandire? Especially because the fluff then goes on to state that he admits that they were MISLED, and that it was not the rank-and-file of each temple that were at fault?Fully accepting the point about the timeline (although it's pretty much the oldest piece of fluff we have, from one of the first few threads), bc in fairness there's nothing in newer fluff that directly contradicts it.
Uh oh, looks like we're heading towards the archive. Is editfag still around to make the new thread?
>>50681749We can only hope and pray.
Yeah, these>>50679327>>50680699were actually me in disguise. New OP coming up.