Dumping some stuff I have on Sikh, Berber, Bedouin and Pashtun people. I'm just tired of the same old medieval European/Japanese rehashes infected with Christian morality in high/low fantasy settings. Why can't we have something truly different like a setting inspired from Central Asia with an entirely different societal framework that has even been carried out over to contemporary society? An intricate network of clans, sub-clans, religions and ethnicities that are in a constant state of friction. Everyone is welcome to share interesting facts about different cultures.
>>49940009>Pashtunwalai literally means the way of the Pashtuns, it’s the rules and regulations and laws of the Pashtun tribes which protected the world’s biggest tribal society. These rules are responsible for the survival of the Pashtun tribes for over 2000 years. >The obligation of Badal rests with the aggrieved party and it can be discharged only by action against the aggressor or his family. In most cases the aggressor is paid in the same coin. If no opportunity presents itself “he may defer his revenge for years, but it is disgraceful to neglect or abandon it entirely, and it is incumbent on his relations, and sometimes on his tribe, to assist him in his retaliation”. When a Pakhtun discovers that his dishonor is generally known, he prefers to die an honorable death rather than live a life of disgrace. He exercises the right of retribution with scant regard for hanging and transportation and only feels contented after avenging the insult. Badal resulted in blood feuds and vendetta in the past, but now due to the prevalent peaceful conditions in the tribal area and with the spread of education, the incidence of Badal are few and far between.
>>49940149https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI>Nanawatai: Derived from the verb meaning to go in, this refers to the protection given to a person against his or her enemies. People are protected at all costs; even those running from the law must be given refuge until the situation can be clarified.Nanawatai can also be used when the vanquished party in a dispute is prepared to go in to the house of the victors and ask for their forgiveness. (It is a peculiar form of "chivalrous" surrender, in which an enemy seeks "sanctuary" at his enemy's house). A notable example is that of Navy Petty Officer First Class Marcus Luttrell, the sole survivor of a US Navy SEAL team ambushed by Taliban fighters. Wounded, he evaded the enemy and was aided by members of the Sabray tribe who took him to their village. The tribal chief protected him, fending off attacking tribes until word was sent to nearby US forces.>An experienced British administrator who served as a Political Officer on the Frontier for a fairly long time describes it “an extension of the idea of Melmastia, (Hospitality) in an extreme form, stepped up to the highest degree”. But the grant of asylum or sanctuary is only one aspect of Nanawatey while its exact definition and true spirit seems to have been ignored. As a matter of fact, it is a means to end longstanding disputes and blood feuds and transform enmity into friendship.
>>49940009Because Islam sucks donkey balls.
>>49940453>“In common with all Afghans”, writes Claud Field, “the Afridi exercise a rough hospitality and offer an asylum to any fugitive endeavoring to escape from an avenger, or from the pursuit of justice and they would undergo any punishment or suffer any injuries rather than deliver up their guest”. The denial of protection, says Sir Olaf Caroe, “is impossible for one who would observe Pakhtu, it cannot be refused even to an enemy who makes an approach according to Nanawatey.”>Melmastia Pakhtun have been described as one of the most hospitable peoples of the world. They consider Melmastiya or generous hospitality as one of the finest virtues and greet their guest warmly with a broad smile on their faces. A Pakhtun feels delighted to receive a guest regardless of his past relations or acquaintance and prepares a delicious meal for him. “Each house,” says Mirza Agha Abbas of Shiraz, “subscribes a vessel of water for the mosque and for strangers”. Dilating on the subject Mr. L. White King says that “Pathans regard dispensing of hospitality as a sacred duty, and supply their guests with food according to their means”.>To their minds, says another English writer, “hospitality is the finest of virtues. Any person who can make his way into their dwellings will not only be safe, but will be kindly received.”>>49940558Why do you say that? Anyway, there are Buddhists and Christians in Central Asia too.
>>49940009So you want to make an Isis rpg ?
>>49940626Do you have a certain time period in which you would want this Asian setting in?
>>49940626> The Bishnois are known as the conservationists to whom the preservation of animal and plants is a religion and it has been so from the early 15th century. There is a ban on killing animals and felling green trees, and thus protection is provided to all life forms. The community is also directed to see that the firewood they use is devoid of small insects.>Wearing blue clothes is prohibited because the dye used for coloring them is obtained by cutting a large quantity of shrubs. Bishnois are aggressive in protecting trees and animals, most of them being vegetarian and nature worshipers. The dead are buried and not cremated to save forest wood. >They are the most colourful and exotic wanderers in the ruins of desert, who keep moving from one village to another in search of work and livelihood. The Bishnoi women wear attractive attire of vibrant colors such as red and orange, silver trimmings and the gorgeous jewellery like heavy nose rings, earrings, bangles, anklets and necklaces.>>49940679There are a lot of interesting time periods. >Such as the rise of the mongols under Chengiz Khan. >The conquest of India by the Moghul Babur. A time of mercenaries and princes and perpetual warfare.>The Afghan wars with the Sikh empire, the Maratha empire and the Moghuls. A time when that region was pretty much the wild west of Asia
>>49940811>Kyz kuu, is a traditional sport among the Azerbaijanis, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz. It exhibits some elements of horse racing, but is often referred to as a "kissing game".>A game is usually conducted as follows. A young man on horseback waits at a given place (the starting line). A young woman, also mounted, starts her horse galloping from a given distance behind the young man. When the young woman passes the young man, he may start his horse galloping. The two race towards a finish line some distance ahead. If the young man is able to catch up to the young woman before they reach the finish line, he may reach out to her and steal a kiss, which constitutes his victory. However, if the young man has not caught up to the young woman by the time they reach the finish line, the young woman turns around and chases the young man back to the starting line. If she is in range of the young man, she may use her whip to beat him, which signifies a victory for her.
medieval europe/japan rehashes with christian morality>not playing balkan slav hellholes>not playing picts/gaels/britons/welsh>not vikings>not east slavs/kievan rus/cossacks>definitely not italians>can't have spaniards unless they're moors>nope germans/poles are exactly the same as france/england>no Romance of Three Kingdoms/Water Margin>all Japanese is Warring States or Edo - no Genpei war, Jomon/Yayoi, Heian, Bakumatsu/Meiji Restoration>no Tibetan Buddhist slavery horrors>no Hungary/Romania gypsy bullshit>Korea is clearly the same as China/Japan>Thailand/Phillipines/Malaysia/Vietnam don't exist
>>49940833>The Jats are divided into 12 chief clans and about 230 minor gotras. Though the origin of the Jat tribe is shrouded in mystery, but the Jats betray tribal traits. Agriculture has always been the main occupation of the Jats, but they also form the bulk of the military and the police. The Jats are brave and hardworking who possess both the desire and ability to rule. Many Jats were recruited into the Indian Army during World War I. Before that, they served as fighters in the Persian army. The Jats form the largest ethnic groups in the army.>The Jats occupy their own niche in the mosaic of stereotypes in the Indian consciousness, and the stereotype can turn out to be startlingly alive: a marshal race, patriarchal, brawny, artless, proud, phlegmatic, blunt, impetuous, fight-ready. The Jat reputation for aggression comes from a frustration that other people are unwilling to listen to the truth.>Historian Irfan Habib once quoted Huein Tsang’s 7th century account of encountering what Habib speculates were the Jats, where Tsang says these people “have no masters” and mentions their “unfeeling temper” and “hasty disposition”. These stereotypes have lent to many sayings about them:>(One can't be sure a Jat's dead until the fourth day). >(The elephant is just a large donkey to a Jat)>>49941037Exactly my point, should have specified as Ango Saxon/Nordic
>>49940009I try to keep in mind that people are people everywhere and extreme difference in culture are largely only a thing on paper or as a result of exoticism. That said, this is really interesting stuff.
>>49941177>largely only a thing on paper or as a result of exoticismHmm. Could you elaborate?>>49941086>When all the guests have gathered at the bride’s village, the Tuareg ritual called Tendi begins. Seated in a small circle, women chant songs on the pursuit of love, while clapping, ululating, and beating the Tendi drum. The men mount their camels & circle around the singers. Proud of their fierce warrior heritage, Tuareg men from Niger like nothing more than to show off their handsomeness & that of their animals.>The Tuareg are best known for the men's practice of veiling their faces with a blue cloth dyed with indigo. Early travelers' accounts often referred to them as the "Blue Men" of the Sahara Desert, the region where many Tuareg live. It is believed that the Tuareg are descendants of the North African Berbers, and that they originated in the Fezzan region of Libya. They later expanded into regions bordering the Sahara, bringing local farming peoples into their own society.
>>49941271I mean, partly superficial differences in culture exist. Different ceremonies, foods, and games. But stuff like >>49940626 leaves me kinda incredulous. Not to say the Pashtun aren't a little more welcoming than most peoples, but I highly doubt it's as extreme as those quotes make it seem. In war time, they almost certainly wouldn't harbour active fighters for their enemies cause. There's a reason stuff like the Art of War is still applicable thousands of years later and all around the world. People behave the same in most places.
>>49941325You'd be surprised. Look up Albanian blood feuds.>>49941271>Unlike women in many other Islamic societies, most Tuareg women do not wear veils in public. They may also independently inherit property and begin the process leading to a divorce.>Tuareg men begin to wear a veil over the face at approximately eighteen years of age. This signifies that they are adults and are ready to marry. The first veiling is performed in a special ritual by a marabout. He recites verses from the Koran as he wraps the veil around the young man's head.>The veil that Tuareg men wear on their faces has several meanings. It is, first of all, a symbol of male identity. It is also thought to protect the wearer from evil spirits. In addition, it is considered an attractive adornment and can be worn in various styles. The face veil is worn differently in different social situations. It is worn highest (covering the nose and mouth) to express respect in the presence of chiefs, older persons, and in-laws.
>>49941429>Bedouins, as nomads, do not have the concept of incarceration. Petty crimes, and some major ones, are typically settled by fines, and grievous crimes by corporal or capital punishment. Bedouin tribes are typically held responsible for the action of their members; if the accused fails to pay a fine, the accused's tribe is expected to pay and becomes obligated to the tribe.>A widely-quoted Bedouin saying is: I against my brothers, I and my brothers against my cousins, I and my brothers and my cousins against the world
>>49941513>Protocols regarding blood feuds often override court decisions and may vary from tribe to tribe Punishment for murder is harsher than punishment meted out to acts of disturbing the assahiya (tribal solidarity), and is usually capital punishment, but in some tribes a blood vengeance fee may be extracted instead. The general governing principle is that of Dum butlab dum ("blood begets blood"), which may be compared to the lex talionis. In many tribes, the first five levels of male cousins (Khamsa) are obligated to seek out and kill the murderer. If not found, another male member of the murderer's tribe would have to die in the retaliatory killing.>Hospitality (diyafa) is the highest Bedouin virtue. Any stranger can approach a tent and be sure of three days board, lodging and protection after which he may leave in peace. A complex code of manners regulates this and all other relationships.>The main ritual of Bedouin hospitality is the preparation of coffee. Coffee making is an art, and Beduin women (and men) are proud of their skill in it.>Bedouin will offer their guests a rich meal, even if they have to slaughter their last sheep, or borrow from their neighbours to do it. Their honour is bound to their hospitality and lavish generosity.
>>49941602>The Bedouin people are bound by a strict code of honour. This is the central focus to their society and dictates all law and custom within the tribes. Honour is gained through heroic deeds. Due to the harshness of the desert, good grazing and watering grounds were strictly protected by those who were able to maintain their hold on the land. This usually meant that different tribes were raided because of this need for resources. However, the Bedouin’s strict code of honour made him bound to protect the women and children, and ensure that they had enough food and transport to survive. >It is said that the Western Worlds ideals of chivalry and honour were bought back from the knights of the Crusades, who admired the Bedouin code of honour and adapted it to their own code of ethics.>The Bedouin are true nomads, meaning that they move horizontally from one district to another in search of pasture (another form of nomadism, transhumance, is practiced in mountain areas by Kurds, Berbers and others who move from lower to higher altitudes in the different seasons).>During their winter and spring migrations some Bedouin tribes travel 4000 km and more. The camel owning tribes travel the greatest distances, the sheep and goat herders are limited by the sheep who need water frequently. Camels can go seven to ten days without water, sheep four, cattle only two.
>>49941325There's overall themes which are constant in all cultures, but you are certainly wrong that cultures don't give different ways of thinking. As someone who grew up in two different cultures, I'd say the main part of a culture is the non-superficial stuff, like mindset, values, etc.
>>49940009Nah. I'd rather not play a game where you beat the shit out of unmarried couples for standing too close to each other.
>>49942158>The Camel breeders are regarded as the noblest tribes. They occupy huge territories, travel great distances, and are organised in large tribes and tribal confederations in the Sahara, Syrian and Arabian deserts. Lower in rank are the sheep and goat breeders who stay mainly near the cultivated regions of Jordan, Israel, Syria and Iraq. Cattle breeding Bedouins are found mainly in South Arabia and in the Sudan. The Marsh Bedouin are a unique group adapted to life in the swamps of southern Iraq where they herd water buffaloes. >The camel enables the Bedouin to move far away from water sources (it can drink 150 litres and then go for ten days without further watering). Bedouins can survive for months on its milk and if necessary slaughter it for meat. It also provides hair for tent cloth and clothes, fuel (dung), transportation (it can carry up to 180 kg) and power for drawing water or for ploughing.>Camels were obviously the Bedouin's best investment and trading commodity. They are called "God's gift", and the Bedouin will cater to their need before taking care of their own. The best breeds of the one-humped Arabian camel were bred in Oman.
>>49940009>infected with Christian moralityKill yourself, Christian morality may not be perfect, but it's about as good as it gets.Arabs are fucking shit.
>>49942290> it's about as good as it getsNo. Anyway, my point was that there can be a different morality system which makes players think in new and interesting ways about characters and the world, that doesn't mean that I consider one to be better than the other.>>49942259>Gurkhas are closely associated with the Khukuri, a forward-curving Nepalese knife and have a well known reputation for their fearless military prowess. The former Indian Army Chief of Staff Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw, once stated that "If a man says he is not afraid of dying, he is either lying or is a Gurkha."
>>49942290He's not saying its bad, is he? AFAICT he's just saying that he wants to flesh out cultures not based on that. Do you just ignore non-christian cultures in a historical game? lmao. Also, there are christian arabs m8.
>>49940811How do they eat? Do they have a diet strictly based on dairy (and possibly fallen fruit) or what?
>>49940009If you think about it, most of the fantasy settings people write stem from the fact that the first few were based in, yes you guessed it, Europe. To truly innovate and create a new setting would take more work than most are willing to put into their setting, and having parts familiar to their audience helps their appeal. So unless you've got something established, going outside the norm is a risk.That being said, there's a lot of untapped lore out in Arabia and Central Asia for making fictional civilizations and such, but it doesn't help that such cultures aren't, how shall I say it... well received at this time. When they are used and done well, it always seems like a mystical adventure for the players, as the go into the unknown.>>49940558>>49940640>>49942234I'll take how to spot stupid Americans for 100
>>49942378Agricultural produce and dairy>>49942324> Bedouin have a love of freedom and not being tied down. Explaining the appeal of the nomadic life, one Bedouin nomad told National Geographic: You are free. You have a relationship only with your animals. The only relationship more important is with Allah. Calmness and patience are valued traits in the desert. Bedouin submission to fate has been a cornerstone of the Muslim faith. The Bedouin term "green hearted" describes the act of being lighthearted and unconcerned about mundane matters and preferring adventure and danger. > National Geographic photographer Reza said, I have been shooting pictures for 35 years and have traveled in 107 different countries, but nowhere have I enjoyed greater warmth that I experience among the Bedouin. Exhausted after a long day driving...youd approach a tent, and suddenly someone would appear with a coffee and a beautiful carpet to sit onyet theyd never ask you who you were or where youre from. I sometimes wonder if the rest of us have forgotten such values.
>>49942378>Bishnoisthey can still farm, and eat stuff like lentils for protein.
>>49942547>Bedouin>You have a relationship only with your animals.ayyyyy
>>49941037You can literally make tons of settings in just India because of how crazy diverse the place is. I went backpacking there and the cultures and languages change from state to state. You have deserts, mountains, plains and coastal communities. Plus they have been in contact with almost all the civilizations of the world including Chinese, Greek, African, Roman and South east Asia. India is really an underrated setting
>>49942547> Bedouins are expected boil their last rice and kill their last sheep for feed a stranger. Whenever an animal is slaughtered for a guest it is ritually sacrificed in accordance with Islamic law. It is customary in some Bedouin tribes for a host to smear blood from a slaughtered animal onto of the mounth of his guest in a show of hospitality.>Hospitality is regarded as an honor and a scared duty. Visitors who happen by are usually invited to sit and share a cup of thick, gritty coffee. Guest are ritually absorbed into the household by the host. If a conflict occurs the host is expected to defend the guest as if he were a member of his family. One Bedouin told National Geographic, "Even if my enemy appears at this tent, I am bound to feast him and protect him with my life
>>49942793Which places did you go to?What are your impressions of the Indian people?
>>49942778> Some Bedouins families are quite large. "We have many children," a Bedouin told journalist Harvey Ardent, "I myself have 17 by my two wives. What else can you do in the desert?"
>>49942793The degree of contact is pretty variable. South East Asia was basically an extension of Indic society while the others you mention are more or less just expected for a nation with trade connections in the area.Also yes languages do change, so do cultures, but their histories are very much tied to the nearby states. As in, you can't have a medieval England without France. So idk if 'tons of settings' is really true.t. Indian
>>49942978>What else can you do in the desert?Heh
>>49942812I traveled the whole length and breadth of the country with the exception of a few states because of a bad experience in one of them.>I started my trip in the northern most part of the region and went all the way down. My first week was in Ladakh, it's in Jammu & Kashmir, the northern most state of India and shares a lot of common culture with Tibet. It's one of the most serene places on the planet with huge expanses of mountains and cold empty plains, dotted with Buddhist monasteries. You do need permits to visit certain places as an international tourist so i skipped a few places but overall its 8/10.>Rest Jammu and Kashmir didnt really spend much time here. But some of the regions are very beautiful>New Delhi and the surrounding area the capital and meme center of India. There are lots of historical monuments and their architecture and design is breath taking,most of them are Mughal built so if you are expecting large temples then you should visit South India. Apart from the historical buildings there is nothing much to see here and really hated the people in this city. You will be hounded by shopkeepers and beggars( a common occurrence across India but the ones in Delhi are literally the worst). 5/10 wouldnt visit if it weren't for the buildings Will continue if you guys are interested dont want to derail the thread too much. I'll post pics when i get home, don't have any right now
>>49943144Are Indians the same all over, or did you notice a difference in attitude? What were the people of Kashmir like? Those guys are trying to separate from India for decades now.How many days did you spend in Ladakh?>>49942978>As is true with all Arabs, Bedouins live in patrilineal societies. Most are members of large patrilineal descent groups, which are linked by agnation to larger lineage groups, tribes and even confederations of tribes. Bedouins frequently name more than five generations of patrilineal ancestors and conceptualize relations among descent groups in terms of a segmentary genealogical model, with each group nested in a larger patrilineal group. Within this structure is a framework for forging marriage alliances, and settling disputes and administering justice. > Bedouins have nasty blood feuds that sometimes end in murder. Describing a revenge killing in southern Arabia in 1946, Wilfred Thesiger wrote: "Bin Mautlauq spoke of the raid in which young Sahail was killed. He and fourteen companions had surprised a small herd of Saar camels. The herdsmen had fired two shots at them before escaping, on the fastest of his camels, and one of these shots hit Sihail in the chest. Bakhit held his dying son in his arms as they rode across the plain with the seven captured camels. It was late in the morning when Sahail was wounded, and he lived till nearly sunset, begging for water which they had no t got." "
>>49943200>Are Indians the same all over, or did you notice a difference in attitude?Think if it like Europe. They share a common culture but the people do change from region to region. The north and central parts the people are more well raw for the lack of a better word whereas the ones in the south and north east are milder. It's really hard to explain what Indians are like, so ill use the word Indianess. The people in the region have an indianess to them>What were the people of Kashmir like?Decent blokes >Those guys are trying to separate from India for decades now.I actually had a conversation with a guy in ladakh about this and the gist of it is that only the people in the valley region(majority Muslim) want to separate whereas the others don't want to especially the ladakhis(?) because they know they'll get fc=ucked over by China and Pakistan if that happens.
>>49943328How many days did you spend in Ladakh, where did you stay?>>49943200> "They rode all night to a small Saar encampment under a tree in a shallow valley. A woman was churning butter in a skin, and a boy and girl were milking the goats. Some small children sat under a tree. The boy saw them first and tried to escape but they corned him against a low cliff. He was about fourteen years old, a little younger than Sahail, and unarmed. When they surrounded him he put his thumbs in his mouth as a sign of surrender, and asked for mercy. No one answered him.">Bakhit slipped own off his camel, drew his dagger, and drove it into the boy's ribs. The boy collapsed at his feet, moaning, 'Oh, my father! Oh, my father!' and Bakhit stood over him till he died. He then climbed back into his saddle, his grief a little soothed by the murder...The small, long-haired figure, in white loincloth, crumpled on the ground, the spreading pool of blood, the avid clustering flies, the frantic wailing of the dark-clad women, the terrified children, the shrill incessant screaming of a small baby."
Have a Yemeni witch.
>>49943425Have another.As far as I'm aware this is the standard dress for women shepherds in rural Yemen.
>>49943398>Explaining the appeal of the nomadic life, one Bedouin nomad told National Geographic: You are free. You have a relationship only with your animals. The only relationship more important is with Allah. Otherwise it is a tough life. T.E. Lawrence once wrote that nomadism was the most deeply biting of all social disciplines...a life too hard for all but the strongest and most determined.>Bedouins often travel at night because it easier navigate under the stars People looking for Bedouins sometimes have to spend several weeks to locate them wandering in the desert. "For us the desert is neither fearsome nor mysterious," a Bedouin desert policeman told Abercrombie. "It is home. We know the barren hills, each bitter stretch between wells. We understand its signs and its people.
>>49942978>what else can you do in the desertayy
>>49942494>I'll take how to spot stupid Americans for 100You've got a point, but this kind of xenophobia can be applied to most countries in Europe and the Anglosphere. Hell, the Aussies and Britbongs have rhetoric that is indistinguishable from shit you see in the States.
>>49943767We're not even that bad about it relatively speaking. I don't know why we always get singled out whenever someone wants to bitch about literally any problem in the modern West.
>>49942494That's probably because nobody gives much of a shit about these cultures.
>>49943616> With water in short supply, Bedouins do't take many baths. Before prayers they often wash with sand rather than scarce water. Bedouins wash their hair with powdered leaves of the sidr tree, a thorny fruit tree also know as Christ's thorn because it believed to have been used to make Christ's crown of thorns. The leaves are dried and pounded and mixed with water to make a lather.
>>49943200Sorry was doing some coding. Anywho... I was staying in The grand dragon hotel and the last few days in Sarahi in Ladakh and hired a guide through the hotels for trekking and other stuff, I was there for about 3 weeks ( I think this was the longest time i spent in any single place).ALso for aussies pls make sure you extend your visa if you are staying for a long period of time as it can be a huge headache later on.
For the dark serpent!
>>49944095>The Maasai live in the Great Rift Valley of Kenya & Tanzania. Maasai men move from one stage of life to another with elaborate ceremonies marking each passage. The ritual cycle extends over more than 25 years, beginning with circumcision.
>>49943398Those beautiful people and their unsullied tribal values. If only western "civilization" (sic) could return to those innocent ways.
>>49944223The reason why Hitler is so reviled and hated in the West is because he did to the white man what until then had only been reserved for the niggers, the muslims and the natives.
>>49944264You're completely right.For all the Jews were hated, they still had a 'whiteness' about them that made the genocide shocking in a way starving Africans and butchered Chinese did not.
>>49944383Yeah. That's also probably why literally no one cares about the 2.5 million gypsies killed in the Porajmos.
>>49944169>The most demanding test that a Maasai warrior can face is the stalking & killing of a lion. Tradition dictates that at least once during his waarriorhood he must take on this formidable challenge armed with only his wits & a spear. Should he be successful, he will fashion the animal’s mane into a headdress & wear it on ceremonial occasions.
>>49945794>A Rashaida wedding guest from Eritrea arrives on camelback accompanied by his three wives. Rashaida wedding rites take place over a period of up to 7 days in a lrage tent decorated by the bride during the days before the wedding. Festivities begin with the slaughter of a camel by the groom, and continue with feasting, dancing, & camel racing to entertain the guests.
>>49946065That pic just makes me sad to look at
>>49946065>The long narrow tunics worn by Wodaabe dancers from Niger have been elaborately embroidered by female relatives: each design has a name & tells a story. The men also wear leather talismans containing both writings from the Koran for protection from evil spirits, and secret herbal potions to increase the power of their performance.
I would blame it on there just not being a whole lot of fantasy media starring these cultures. Bwetween movies, games, books, etc western fantasy is a huge media and marketing empire and has been for a long time. No one really writes a whole lot about various near eastern cultures or makes to many movies about them except their being bomb wielding mooks for the action hero to kill.
>>49946154Same thing with China and Japan churning out tons of mass market media glorifying their mythogized past with so much fantasy stuff added in.Middle Eastern countries don't do that, and neither does anyone else much at all outside the random exotic locations sourcebook.
>>49944112If Ye don't mind spilling how much did that set Ye back m8 would love to do something like that. Bloody stereotype you are as well, Aussie backpackers may as well be their own nomad tribe.
>>49940833Extremely cute. I'm stealing this.
>>49946142Tholse guys look like Fulani. Nice takouba/kaskara sword too.
>>49947814They are in fact a Fulani ethnic group.
>>49947853It was that or an East African tribe. Fulani are the cutest Sub-Saharan African along Amharas and Afar to me.
Liking this, OP! I think I might use various clans as my main political system in my next fantasy game. Having about 5 clans with a number of sub-clans owning fealty to them is an interesting system, especially if religious lines muddy the waters a bit.Maybe even have race be a third axis of loyalty! You're a Blue Moon clan member and you worship Pelor, but you're also a dwarf. Or would that maybe be too complicated?
>>49940009>and PashtunBoy sex, guns and Hijabs, they're basically typical flyover state redneck pervs.
>>49944264>white man>Jews and Slavs
>>49949007Shuuu. Also don't knock off Yurop mate, we have plenty of untaped potential for traditional games than are very far from your tipical anglo fantasy setting.
>>49943767>middle east is completely racist ethnocentrist shithole>meh, it's there cultural differences :^)>Westerner criticises regressive religion>fuggin ragist amerigan, flipping redneks >:(stop
>>49949387They don't hop on /tg/ and try to tell you about it, anon.They can feel however they want in their own countries, I take offense at someone blaring their opinion at me and expecting me to agree with them as though they are factually correct.
>>49942547Damn, that man is good looking
>>49949435>>49949387Stop, the both of you. Post something cool at least. A typical festivity in Spain is the Moros y Cristianos or Moors and Christians, to remember the fights we had for the control of the peninsula. Anything to do with actual fighting gear of the times is pure coincidence, but is a good way to get fantasy costumes or inspiration, lot's of those costumes could do as haradrim for example.
>>49949570Colourful robes and extravaganza> Costume appropiate for the times of the reconquista. But it's fun as fuck to look at.
>>49943398>>49944223>Boy shoots my son>Stab him for it>This is bad for some reason
>>49949826Doesn't your paladin use slime mouthwash?
>>49943767It's time to prep the bull, Sven.
>>49943767>actually being this cuckedkill yourself my man
>>49949835tooth paste is haram my boy
>>49940009So, basically Conan. ...unless you suggest playing as someone from those cultures but as a white european male, I prefer playing something similar to who I am.
>>49949934>s a white european male, I prefer playing something similar to who I amThis is the most false flagging post I have ever seen on this board.Go back to /v/.
/pol/ pls go and stay go.
>>49950000>>49950039check em you cuck
>>49950016Saudi Arabians and other Americans? They're pretty nice. Spend millions and GTFO afterwards.
>>49950016>our alimony baby will lead us to glorious revolution
>>49949435>beheading someone because of their religious views and denouncing someone for said beheading is morally equatable shiggy diggy my brain dead niggy, perhaps you should consider kill yourself
>mfw i'm the only one contributing at this point
Some cool pics.
>>49950117You've triggered the /pol/ migrants because they detected something vaguely related to their particular social crusade. The thread will now descend into a cesspool. If it helps, I found the Bedouin stuff particularly interesting and will probably use it as one of the desert tribes I'm making in my DnD game.
>>49950155/pol/ declaring themselves 4chan police is one of the less fun cultural changes.
>>49950194Are you perhaps arguing that cultural relativism is wrong and creates only strife when parasitic cultures are introduced ? :^)
>>49950230I'm arguing that it's fucking annoying to see jackwads crying about content. Whether it's SJWs shrieking about racism, or poltards crying about brown people, in either case it'd be better if people just fucked off and let each other be on this Laotian Yurt Tanning BBS.
>>49950060our shitposters are out here fighting isis. let me know if any of you alt-right incels actually get off your morbidly obese ass, pick up a gun, and waddle over to syria
>>49940558My Arabian Nights settings always do away with Islam, Judaism and Christianity. I go with Zoroastrianism and Jainism.Persia is better received than Afghanistan for obvious reasons.
>>49943616That's pretty cool, probably easier to move at night when it's cooler.Nomadic, nocturnal desert drow, cool or lame?>>49943425>>49943449Yeah boy, that's my kind of witch. Practical, but also obviously mystical in a manner. I'm stealing this look.
>>49950412> Nomadic, nocturnal desert drow, cool or lame?Sounds cool to me.Certainly couldn't be worse than standard drow.
>>49950620> Mount /pol/ympusSMASH JEUS!BURN JEUS!FREEZE JEUS!
>>49946142>Never sit somewhere people sleep or eat. The backside is vulgar (noa), pillows/table are sacred (tapu).>Lizards (ngarara) are considered immensely tapu. Women were not allowed to handle them although some would have one tattooed near their vagina. In the post-colonial period a radical group called the Lizard-eaters (Kai Ngarara) literally ate lizards to represent the violation of tapu that had resulted from European contact.>Maori practiced a kind of mummification. The practice of preserved severed heads (mokomokai) is well known, but high-born people would often be interred in dry caves and remained preserved for centuries.
>>49954718>During the courtship season, a Wodaabe girl from Niger may flirt with two men who may both become her lovers. Should she decide to marry one of them, the other will alwaays be welcome in the camp of her husband, who will generously offer her for the night–but only with her consent.
>>49954779>In celebration of their impending graduation, Maasai warriors from Kenya launch themselves into a leaping dance known as “Empatia”. Throughout the ceremony, young Maasai girls adoringly accompany their warrior boyfriends. The beaded collars & headbands the girls wear are dessigned to bounce rhythmically as they dance to enhance their bodilly movements.
>>49954847>The code of behavior of the Wodaabe emphasizes reserve and modesty (semteende), patience and fortitude (munyal), care and forethought (hakkilo), and loyalty (amana). They also place great emphasis on beauty and charm.>Parents are not allowed to talk directly to their two first born children, who will often be cared for by their grandparents. During daylight, husband and wife cannot hold hands or speak in a personal manner with each other.
>>49955077>A bride stays with her husband until she becomes pregnant after which she returns to her mother's home, where she will remain for the next three to four years. She will deliver the baby at her mother's home and then she becomes a boofeydo, which literally means "someone who has committed an error." While she is boofeydo, she is not allowed to have any contact with her husband, and he is not allowed to express any interest in either her or the child. After two to three years, she is permitted to visit her husband, but it is still taboo that she should live with him or bring the child with her; this only becomes permissible when her mother has managed to purchase all the items that are necessary for her home.
>>49955467That is bizarre. Which I realize is a cultural thing yadda yadda, but wow. I mean, from my limited scope of a utilitarian stand point, it doesn't make sense to have this state of quasi abandonment between mother and child. Very interesting.
>>49955467>Europeans were struck by the Naga practice of headhunting. Ursula Graham Bower described the Naga hills as the "paradise of headhunters." "Most villages had a skull house and each man in the village was expected to contribute to the collection. The taking of a head is symbolic of courage, and men who could not were dubbed as women or cows. There is nothing more glorious for a Naga than victory in battle by bringing home the severed head of an enemy." There was no indication of cannibalism among the Naga tribes. Headhunting has been eradicated since conversion to Christianity and the spread of modern education in the region.> The Nagas have a deep faith in the soul which transmigrates after the death of person. The head being the receptacle of the soul was, therefore, regarded as an object of immense vitality and creative energy. Head hunting was propelled by the desire to acquire a head for retention in one’s house or village which would, as a result, be blessed with human and animal fertility. The head of a woman with long hair was specially precious, as it would stimulate an abundance of food crops. The taker of a head gained fame for prowess in the art of war and was, therefore, sought after by young girls.>The practice of head-hunting was accompanied with a variety of other social and cultural activities.
To all the anons who are actually contributing underrepresented cultures, I really appreciate it. Everyone else can fuck off back to >>>/pol/.
>>49955584>Romanticised by writers such as Alexander Pushkin and suppressed by the Soviets, the Cossacks – a nomadic military people descended from the Tatars – have resumed their historic role of military service in Krasnodar, the prosperous southern region next to Russia’s restive Caucasus. The revival coincides with a surge of Russian nationalism and xenophobia as migration rises from nearby Muslim republics.>Locals fear the new arrivals will steal their jobs and there have been violent clashes with immigrants. “The Kuban Cossacks have appeared because the authorities don’t have the strength to keep order and in particular to combat Caucasian migration,” says Alexei Malashenko, an expert on the Caucasus at the Carnegie Moscow Centre, a think-tank. “There are two options: either they [Cossacks] can stabilise the situation, or they will shake it up.”
>>49955938>“They started snatching jewelry, cell phones, cash, laptops and other belongings from the passengers,” Shrestha recalled. The soldier had somehow remained a silent spectator amidst the melee, but not for long. He had had enough when the robbers stripped an 18-year-old girl sitting next to him and tried to rape her right in front of her parents. He then took out his khukuri and took on the robbers.>“The girl cried for help, saying ´You are a soldier, please save a sister´,” Shrestha recalled. “I prevented her from being raped, thinking of her as my own sister,” he added. > Corporal Shrestha leapt to his feet, drawing his khukri, he flew across the train car, grabbing the would-be rapist from behind in a sleeper hold, pulled him up off the girl, and used him as a human shield while he lunged out and slashed one of the sword-swinging thugs. One of the other bandits tried to cut the girl, slashing his knife wildly at her neck, but the girl only took a minor wound before Shrestha dropped him with a strike. With the terrorists in the immediate vicinity disposed of, he sliced the throat of his human shield and went looking for more.>He took on the entire train – 40 men – at once, killing three and wounding eight more, even after he took a nasty sword blow that severed every major artery and vein in his left hand, he continued with his attack.>At the next station, police and emergency personnel were there to rush Shrestha to the hospital, where he spent two months
>>49956359>On 12/13 May 1945 at Taungdaw, Burma [now Myanmar], Rifleman Lachhiman Gurung was manning the most forward post of his platoon which bore the brunt of an attack by at least 200 of the Japanese enemy. Twice he hurled back grenades which had fallen on his trench, but the third exploded in his right hand, blowing off his fingers, shattering his arm and severely wounding him in the face, body and right leg. His two comrades were also badly wounded but the rifleman, now alone and disregarding his wounds, loaded and fired his rifle with his left hand for four hours, calmly waiting for each attack which he met with fire at point blank range. Afterwards, when the casualties were counted, it is reported that there were 31 dead Japanese around his position which he had killed, with only one arm.[
Only if I can roleplay reclaiming Israel for Allah.
>>49955773Same. Thanks guys. I'm building a tribal setting right now, so this is really good inspiration.
>>49956404>Acting L/Cpl [Tuljung] Gurung, who serves with the Royal Gurkha Rifles, was on duty at Patrol Base Sparta, in Nahr-e Seraj, at 4am on March 22 when he spotted two Afghans running towards his sangar, or watchtower.>When he challenged them to stop, the insurgents opened fire with an AK47 assault rifle.>One of the rounds struck him on the helmet, knocking him to the ground. Groggily getting to his feet, he saw a grenade bounce into the tower.>Fearing it would explode, the married Gurkha picked it up and hurled it away a split-second before it detonated, the force of the blast throwing him to the floor.>But as the dust and debris settled, Acting L/Cpl Gurung came face-to-face with one of the Taliban who was climbing into the 3 metre high sangar.>Lacking room to aim his rifle, the soldier drew his 18inch kukri and tenaciously took on the insurgent in hand-to-hand combat.>During the fight, the pair plunged to the ground outside the base. In a life-or-death struggle, Acting L/Cpl Gurung continued to lash out with the blade.>‘I just thought, “I don’t want to die. If I am alive I can save my colleagues”.>>49956472>guysIt's just me, the OP, making the posts. Everyone else is just /pol/
>>49940009>I'm just tired of the same old medieval European/Japanese rehashes infected with Christian morality in high/low fantasy settingsI don't think the issue is Europe, really, so much as it's the fact that generic fantasy is very much built upon other fantasy. The standard fantasy races and tropes you see in a lot of uninspired settings have their deepest roots in European myth, but they're not really inspired by it. They're inspired by established fantasy.Someone making a Not-D&D heartbreaker isn't going read Finnish myth and come up with elves, he's going to read D&D and just make his variation of that.But these threads are a lot of fun, and great for inspiration. Keep posting if you have more.Sadly I don't have a lot to contribute with.
>>49956504>On festive occasions, Surma children from Ethiopia decorate their bodies using chalk & earth pigments to create fanciful patterns. To reveal their close bond to one another, best friends often paint their faces with identical designs.
>>49956504Thanks guy then!
>>49956615>In Ghana, the display of gold at the Ashanti king’s jubilee in 1995 was unsurpassed in splendor. This Adioukrou Queen Mother, attending the jubilee, indicates her status by wearing gold turtle & crocodile talismans in her hair. Magnificently bedecked in gold jewelry & wearing gold dust makeup, she exhibits her husband’s substantial authority & worth.
>>49956529Is there anything we can do to break that cycle? I come to these threads for this exact reason, to get inspiration from other sources, not just standard fantasy. But in general, is there a way we can encourage more different settings.
>>49940009>>49956663Thank you for posting these, they are all really interesting.
>>49956663 >They're like books or a family tree. A person who knows how to read one can tell everything about you from it. For example a curl on the left side of your chin means your mother was a great weaver, a fernleaf on your cheek means your family is high-born, and the pattern on the brow shows which god you're dedicated too.>Women got moko on their chin. Slaves were usually tattooed on half their face to show their status. When Europeans got into the market for dried heads, many slaves received elaborate but totally nonsense moko just so they could be killed, smoked and sold.>Tattooing was done with a sharktooth on a stick. The experience was so painful and traumatic the reciepent was blind for several days afterwards. They were expected to remain completely still and silent the whole time. Because they were too tapu to touch during the ceremony, they had to be fed by hand.
>>49940009>>Why can't someone make a fantasy setting for me?
>The 7 day celebration called Kokuzahn, honoring the Voodoo diety, Flimani Koku, takes place once every 3 years. Dancing devotees in states of deep trance spin faster & faster to the rhythms of Voodoo drums. They are protected fom harm by wearing fiber skirts made from the Alatsi tree, and by smearing a paste made of palm oil, maize flour and herbs on their bodies.>>49956761Are you yourself satisfied with the lack of diversity?
>>49956928>A distinctive feature of Rajput society is its clans. More than 103 clans have been identified in all. >Rajputs marry outside their clan. They also try to marry their daughters into clans of higher rank than their own, while accepting daughters-in-law from clans of lower rank. >Rajput marriages are arranged. Marriages are occasions for great ceremony and feasting. The groom, accompanied by friends and relatives, rides in a procession to the bride's house. Mounted on a horse, he is dressed in colorful robes, with turban and sword. A piece of cloth is tied to the edge of the bride's sari and groom's coat. The couple walks around a sacred fire while Brahmans (priests and scholars) chant prayers. This is known as agni puja (fire-worship ceremony). Several days of celebration follow.>In 1303, when the fort of Chitor in Rajasthan was about to fall to Muslims, the Rajput Rani and all the women in the fort burned themselves to death to avoid being taken prisoners. Women who practiced this act of sati were revered as saints and stone sati memorials exist in Rajasthan. Despite abundant folklore surrounding this tradition, it was never widely practiced.>>49957003A pity
>Ramnami Samaj religious movement, in the state of Chhattisgarh, has something very evidently peculiar about them. For more than a centennial now, the members of this community have had 'Ram' tattooed all over their body. >It's more an act of defiance and pure devotion than anything else actually. When they were denied entry to temples and were forced to use separate wells by the 'upper-caste' Hindus of the village in Chattisgarh, they started tattooing their bodies and faces with 'Ram'. This, more than a hundred years ago. >Mahettar Ram Tandon, hailing from the small village of Jamgahan, has carried the message of Ram for almost five decades now. A proud member of the Ramnami Samaj residing in one of the poorest regions of Chhattisgarh and India, Tandon, 76, says, "It was my new birth the day I started having the tattoos." "The old me had died," he claims. Five decades later, the harsh sun might have faded his tattoos, but not his ideology.>It was a clear message to the higher-caste Indians that god was everywhere, regardless of a person’s caste or place in society. A similar story can be heard in the nearby village of Gorba. 75-year-old Punai Bai spent over two weeks getting her full body tattooed using a homemade dye by mixing the soot from a kerosene lamp with water. She says, "God is for everybody, not just for one community."The lengths some people will go to for their faith.
>>49957177>The Hazara are of Mongol descent; descendants of soldiers left in Afghanistan by Genghis Khan in order to occupy the region. Their Mongol physical characteristics and their language have long distinguished them from the other ethnic groups of the area. Their language, called Hazaragi, is an Indo-Iranian tongue with many words borrowed from Mongol. Many Hazara also speak Dari Persian as a second language.>Traditionally, the Hazara were nomads herding sheep, goats, and horses. Now, some earn a living through mixed grain farming. The major crops are wheat and barley, and a variety of fruits are also grown. Many of the men work as cobblers, porters, water carriers, or trash collectors. This willingness to perform menial tasks has had an adverse effect on them; it earned them a reputation as hardworking people, while also resulting in their being looked down upon and discriminated against.
>Ancient Egypt was centred along the Great River Nile. Depending on it to provide water and a fresh input of silt for their agriculture. It was a symbol of fertility and life in their religion.>The Ancient Egyptians revered the royal family as divine with the Pharaoh becoming the God of the Dead Osiris upon their death. The Pharaohs main duty was to maintain universal harmony and act as a bridge between the gods and mankind. >As they brought all their possessions to the afterlife. The Pharaohs were obsessed with accumulating wealth and hoarding it within their tombs using a combination of cunning misdirection (hiding the tomb beneath another tomb) and magic to protect it. This created a counter culture in the peasant population focused on robbing tombs.>Peasant culture mostly revolved around working on farms which would demand constant work during the dry season to ensure maximum harvest before the flood season began. During the flood season they would work as "skilled labourers" (similar conditions to extreme sweat shops) building monuments, tombs and structures.>As many peasants spent years to decades on tombs it was common for many to plan to rob said tomb immediately after its completion and sealing. It is thought most tombs were emptied within the first year of being sealed.>Modern day "race" was not a large issue during the time. While diverse, experts theorise that Pre-Dynasty ancient Egyptians would have been berbs/semitic in origin (i.e. identical to modern day ones). However, there would have been a (relatively) significant amount of diversity due to its location. Xenophobia however, was prevalent and common. It is thought (at a local level) it mattered more where you were born and how you acted than the colour of your skin.
>>49943829Because we /are/ the dominant culture, for all that.It's a bit like a Thracian talking about Romans in general.
>>49957637>At this time, Thapa's native Kingdom of Gorkha was in the process of a massive campaign of expansion, a period that began when they invaded their neighbors in the Kathmandu Valley, conquered them, and changed the Kingdom's name to the Empire of Great Nepal. The British East India Company attempted to intervene in this rapidly-expanding empire in 1767, but of the 2500 men they dispatched, pretty much every single one of them was lost to some combination of disease, desertion, or gruesome kukri wounds to the face. The Gurkhas took the British guns and equipment, turned them on their neighbors, and casually continued their conquest.>At 4AM on April 16, 1815, 74-year-old Nepalese battle-rager Bhakti Thapa and two thousand of the toughest Gurkha warriors on earth ran screaming out of their camp, brandishing their kukris in their left hands and flintlock shotguns in their right. Ahead of them, positioned atop a steep mountain, lay an almost-unbreakable fortress manned by 3,500 British and Indian soldiers supported by a battery of ultra-modern 6-pounder cannons.>Thapa, an old man at the head of his rampaging forces, screamed for his men to continue, rushing forward against impossible odds, somehow reaching the barrels of the British cannon and discharging his shotgun into the first artillery officer he could find.
>The Hamers are a people of East Africa living in southwestern Ethiopia, in a fertile area of the Omo Valley. >The gracious Hamer women, freeing pride and dignity even in the midst of the bustling weekly market, are easily spotted with their characteristic outfits. They take pride in their dress and accessories and win the prize as the most decorated of the Omo people. >The traditional dress code for unmarried Hamar girls includes elegant cowrie-shell collars, seeded or glass-beaded necklaces and decorated goatskin clothing.
>>49959246>You can see the scars she has in the back. Explanation: The Hamar have very unique rituals such as a bull-leaping ceremony, that a young men has to succeed in order to get married. >The cow jumping is an initiation rite of passage for boys coming of age in Hamar tribe. Cows are lined up in a row. The initiate, naked, has to leap on the back of the first cow, then from one bull to another, until he finally reaches the end of the row. He must not fall of the row and must repeat successfully the test four times to have the right to become a husband. >While the boys walk on cows, Hamar women accompany him: they jump and sing. Totally committed to their initiated sons, the mothers are whipped to blood, in order to prove their courage and accompany their sons during the test.
>The classic way for the Surma: naked, with just a piece of cloth on the back, with a Kalashnikov. First , you feel uncomfortable when you see them, then it becomes easy to live!>Surma are not circumcised, so they are very curious about the ethiopians from Addis for example who are cut. My guide told me that when he fist came in Turgit, he could not take a shower without having 50 people watching at him!
>>49956928I think what >>49956761 was saying is that you could make one.
Published in "Dobra krew. W krainie reniferów, bogów i ludzi" [Good Blood. In the Land of Reindeer, Gods and People] (Wydawnictwo Naukowe PWN, 2012). >Nenets, nomad reindeer herders in the Yamal peninsula (NW Siberia). Their annual migration of over a 1000 km includes a 48 km crossing of the frozen waters of the Ob River.>“If you don’t drink warm blood and eat fresh meat, you are doomed to die on the tundra”.
>>49959474"I never drink... wine"
>>49953444BLOW THEM AWAY
>>49940009How about Bacha Bazi? The favorite past time of Afghanistan and some of the neighboring 'Stans.>It may include to some extent child pornography, sexual slavery, and child prostitution in which prepubescent and adolescent boys are sold to wealthy or powerful men for entertainment and sexual activities.Under the Taliban, bacha bazi was declared homosexual in nature, and therefore banned. The Taliban's opposition to bacha bazi was that they considered it incompatible with Sharia Law, and outlawed the practice after coming to power in 1996. As with other homosexual activities, the charge carried the death penaltyThen the U.S. came in and allowed the Afghan government to handle it... which meant a policy of "don't ask, don't tell erupted". How's that for Pashtunwalai?
>>49940009Before the Mongols and Turkic peoples brought curved swords back into style, much of the Middle East had taken to using straight swords like neighboring Europe. Favored by cavalry, it was devastating to infantry who could lose entire limbs or their heads from a single blow.Spears and bows were still the common weapon: their relative low use of metal meant they could produced in vast quantities. The Islamic caliphates spread across the Arabian Peninsula, Persia, and North Africa within a century. It's an incredible growth
>>49960785Not all Arabs exist in completely arid or desert environments. Before massive dam networks destroyed much of the natural swamps in Iraq, there were tens of thousands of people living among the reeds and floodplains. Marsh Arabs they are called
>>49960812It is like humans had been doing in that area for almost 10,000 years. Incredible that we got good pictures of it before it was lost
>>49960828Camels are a favored pack animal of the Middle East and North Africa. Their obvious desert adaptations made them perfect beasts of burden for men of the desert. What some do not know is that the use of camels stretches well outside of the Middle East. Central Asia has extensive camel populations.
>>49960785Straight swords never went out of fashion in most of Islamic Africa simply because they never got hit by Turkic migration in the way the Middle East and Egypt did.
>>49960873I was getting to that, thanks anon!>>49960891Africans above and inside the Sahara kept a tradition of using straight swords. The one I know best is the Takouba. The Tuareg still have them today after centuries. The strong cross guard would be very useful in combat. One thing the sword is missing when compared to European straight swords is the rain guard situated on the cross guard and blade. Then again, why would you need one in the desert?
>>49960932The pommels can be beautiful too. They remind me a little of how the ancient Celtic smiths would give elaborate pommels to their swords
>>49960947Going before Islam, the Middle East and North Africa still have beautiful histories. Egypt's very diverse past gave rise to a pantheon of gods from Hellenic, African, Celtic, Middle Eastern, and even older gods. The worship of these gods changed over time, as polytheism adapted and changed much better than monotheism did/does. Thankfully it never took on the bloody thirsty nature that Mesoamerican polytheism did. Otherwise the neighbors would not have existed for very long
I am loving the fuck out of this thread but it's also making me regret dropping out of my anthro degree.
>>49961001They were /fa/ as fuck too
>>49961005No regrets, only growth. Go back to it one day, or keep it as a reading and learning hobby. I do that with chemistry despite being in the humanities.>>49961014Here is a nice piece of the god-king, Ptolemy. One of Alexander's generals, he felt right at home taking Egypt's long upheld tradition of worshiping whoever is on the throne. His Hellenic soldiers and scholars introduced a lot to Egypt... and Egypt introduced a lot to them. Cleopatra was his descendant.
>>49961050A fact she probably felt... inbreeding was common among Egyptian rulers in order to keep power as long as possible
>>49961073Egypt's neighbors have some fascinating facts about them as well. Nabataen kingdoms in the Arabian peninsula were regular contacts with Egypt during the time of Rome. They made massive structures throughout the desert as they moved from oases to oases. Eventually they established small, settled kingdoms in the oases and the coastline. This made them targets though, and Trajan's conquest swallowed them up. Their pottery tradition and love of gift giving made them popular among the Greco-Roman community. They are remembered well in the Roman histories
>>49961101Another major faction that was inside pre-Islamic North Africa were the Punics. Although just colonies to much larger populations in the Holy Land, eventually it fell to other groups and left the Punics a large African community. Carthage eventually rose to be the largest and most successful of them. Loving trade, they made a massive navy and advanced harbor. Thanks to jealous Latin manlets in the Italian peninsula, much of what the Punics built was destroyed. We do know they sacrificed babies. A lot of them
>>49961135Carthage stood for a long time. Cities loyal to them out of fear, for money, or genuine friendship fed the coffers of a very rich trade empire. Iberia, North Africa, Sicily, and even parts of Southern France had extensive Punic populations. Most were in control of the cities they lived in, but some were happy to be part of Hellenic colonies and Gallic communities. Kind of crazy how they ended up losing to Rome in the end. They had a lot going for them.
>>49940009i'd be down for a sikh campaign about killing muslims. fuck a campaign inspired by islam, tho. except as an evil nazi antagonists.india seems really interesting to me, and i know almost nothing about it. how can i find stuff to learn? SE asia seems like it would be cool too.pic not related
>>49961160Despite Carthaginian dominance in places like modern day Morocco, Spain, Tunisia, Algeria, and Libya; Ptolemy's Egypt was still standing strong. Their incredibly long history gave Egypt a lot to stand for. Even with a foreign ruler, the population was eager to produce for their old gods and families. Crazy to think just how far back Egypt's history goes
>>49961216Well, it might not be best to learn from British sources. They had ways to handle Indian elements not loyal to the crown.Sikhs are bro-tier if you are a fan of /pol/ ideologies or just hate Islam in general. Sikhs had to put up with them for centuries.
>>49942494>rape apologistIslam is a violent cult and Muslims should be gunned down on sight.
>>49961241Sikhs have served in almost every empire that ruled them. WWI saw them arrive in Europe to fight in the trenches of a foreign war I doubt any of them could comprehend. Oddly enough, the turban was a neat thing that the government pushed in propaganda as friendly, allied symbols. It was not until after WWII that the turban was seen as foreign and... odd. 9-11 cemented Sikhs in with Muslims to much of the ignorant. A fact they adamantly deny to this day. Their turban is very important to their faith. Asking them to remove it is incredibly rude.
>>49940009I am enjoying this information, I am also enjoying the seedier sides of these cultures, such as:>>49960699It's likely their intent was to stir up /pol/ fights, but it's a part of that areas culture and makes it interesting.>>49961216>fuck a campaign inspired by islamYou're an adventurer from a foreign land and these people act this way. What's wrong with having them being portrayed as they exist now and then? It would be fun to see the exchange between the party, complete foreigners who disagree or are turned away by people with odd and sometimes backwards beliefs who do not see themselves as villains but normal functioning people. The winners write history, and if the !notIslam culture survives and thrives, they decide to be the good guys.
>>49961278Just me and my elephant mount
>>49961288They had some odd but beautiful weapons too. Likely inspired from the Indian subcontinent's Kshatriya [warrior] caste.
>>49961306I mean, just look at some of these
>>49961135>>49961160carthage was pretty awesome, i was building a faction based on their government. they had a really interesting government that was a wierd strain of republicanism. there were different noble factions and thent he common factions in the legislative body. the courts were controlled by like 100 supreme judges. they had 2 presidents. it was pretty neat. seems like a great way to setup a diplomacy shenanigans campaignhttp://www.ancient.eu/Carthaginian_Government/
>>49961326>this kills the Raj(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afzal_Khan_(general))
Charles James Napier had his head screwed on straight about cultural differences."Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs." That said, I don't know that much more about him beyond this and a couple other quotes, but he seems very pragmatic in his beliefs. So long as he was shooting them just for worshiping someone with an elephant head, war is war. >>49961306India, Africa, and most of SE Asia have a long history of really cool weapons. I believe it largely has to do with the scarcity of armor, so weapons could be designed to just do the most damage possible to bare flesh.
>>49961330It would be, yes. I did not know they had two presidents/rulers. Be good to not allow all the power to fall into one person's hands... also seems like a good way to invite a civil war every so often
>>49946065What a respectable culture.
>>49961361I like your theory of scarcity of good iron and other metals making for unique weapon shapes. But I think that is not the case. I think it was just a psychological element for the weapon. If you've seen a sword before, it was probably a straight or a curved sword. You show up to the fight with pic related and I am already sweating. It looks as gnarly as it is dangerous.The reason I doubt the scarcity theory is because Japan had scarce iron deposits and the iron they did have was sandy as hell. That's one of the reasons why they folded their steel "over 9000 times" so that all those impurities would be expelled. They did not make unique shaped or wicked weapons. They did make weapons designed to do as much damage to flesh as possible though, so I agree 100% there.
>>49961420But mine opinion is just a theory too. I saved your picture btw, >>49961361, so here is a neat image of Japanese swords changing over time
>>49961420You mistake my point. I'm not saying materials were the problem, India had fuckloads of iron and steel, but armor. In a lot of hot countries people will forego armor if it can't be guaranteed to provide sufficient protection. In Japan or Europe, levies/ashigaru might wear boiled leather, treated wool, or even laminated wood. In India or Central Africa, fighting in that sort of get up is going to get too hot for any kind of extended combat. Rich people who can afford all metal armor are still gonna wear it because it's both head and shoulders above any textile armor and because they probably have horses/elephants/camels to ride on so exhaustion from heat isn't as big an issue. So poor people/all people wear even less armor, leading to weapons of more outlandish shapes being more practical. Look at Japanese rank and file, a lot of them have some kind of head/torso protection. Compare that to a Philipino or African foot soldier.
>>49961403What? Nigga probably only has the one camel to ride, so he can't play favorites with his wives or else all hell might break loose.Erwin Shrodinger had two lovers for almost his entire life.
>>49961420Another guy chiming in. I studied a lot of Metallurgical Engineering in school and a lot of history of metallurgy. I do know that in Scandinavia, they had really poor iron deposits that were accessible with their technology during the early viking periods Can't remember exactly, think it's somewhere around the 700's, but I'm really just pulling the year out of my ass so they ended up using a lot of similar techniques to what the Japanese used. Seaxes were often made from really poor iron turned into shoddy steel and then folded repeatedly to deposit enough flexible steel between the layers of brittle steel so it would mostly bend rather than breaking.
Pasola is a game played by the Western Sumbanese to celebrate the rice planting season.The game is played by throwing wooden spears to the opponent while riding a horse. The game is played by two different groups of men from different clans or tribes. It is a game that requires a high skill at horse riding and spear throwing skill.It ends up in a bloody game when the wooden spear hit the bare flesh of the participant. In the Sumbanese ancient beliefs, the spilled blood will fertilize the land and multiply the output of the paddy. Religiously speaking, the ritual battle of Pasola, is "essentially a fertility rite. Like the cock-fight, it is designed to shed blood on the earth" Likewise the people of Sumba, within their religious traditions are "believers of the spirits of nature and their ancestors" as are the people of Nias and the Toraja of Sulawesi.In the Wanukaka region, as part of the ritual, early in the morning the marapu priests and their entourage go the beach to perform a prayer. They sacrifice a black cock to the gods and check the heart of the cock to read the signs from the gods on whether to proceed with the pasola as they attempt to gain the answer to their question by this ritual of divination.They descend to the sea afterwards to collect the colorful sea worm as part of the ritual, then proceed to the area where the game will be played.
>>49940009It's because America (Wild West), Europe (Middle Ages), and Japan (Edo), are the only unions with enough culture and education to romanticise their histories (china is beginning to emerge as one of these nations). Fucking tribes in the middle east are either just becoming rich and educated, or are poor as shit. They haven't the time to develop these periods which most folklore in the three dominant regions takes place. The other thing is that the dominant cultures borrow history from eachother. You might see a wild west setting played out in japan, or a high-fantasy european setting played out in the US. The interplay of culture that the core nations of the world have allows us to create these vast multi-faceted fantasy universes. A setting could even be based off of a colony that adventurers from these time periods stumble upon, but not the culture of that land itself. We don't even need to talk about modern powers though, you could have a campaign with a setting based on ancient greek archipelagos (I've been tooling around with this one recently, seems pretty cool), or the chinese mainland during the zhou empire. If a culture has at any point achieved a level of education high enough to facilitate fantastical writing then they can have a setting based off of them. Even the underworld in DnD is based off of Dante's Inferno in the Aenid. There are even settings that take place during the Middle-Eastern enlightenment. But no, there just isn't enough to create a setting out of a tribal people, nothing fantastical about it.
>>49962245China and India just don't sell their histories/myths to foreigners as much. They also generally prefer to rehash the same classic stories over and over.
>>49962260Indian epics are Silmarillion tier badass, with epic level bro-ness thrown in>>49960785What's the benefit of curved swords over straight ones?
>>49962684>What's the benefit of curved swords over straight onesAsk ya mum, she'll tell ya.More seriously, it has benefits for improving the depth and smoothness of a cut, particularly from horseback where there's a higher risk of losing possession of your weapon in an exchange from the jar of a solid hit.
>>49946213>>49946154Well that's probably because most middle eastern country's think that its absolutely Haram, and will kill you for it. I mean I know Muslims can be decent people, but a lot of them still hold onto old outdated and plain evil beliefs. Like stoning a woman to death because she was raped.
>>49962902Iran is immensely proud of its Persian history, including the pre-Islamic period. Cyrus the Great is still held up as a national hero. This is one of the few theocratic countries in existence. Before ISIS started to take a hammer to their heritage, many Muslim countries were proud of the archaic ruins that littered the landscape. This includes the remains of Crusader, Roman and Hellenic cities, and pagan images from the very earliest civilizations.You are exaggerating.
>>49956359Ghurka's are fucking hardcore.
>>49961306That blade (the pata) is not Sikh in origin. Sikhs basically used a combination of traditional Hindu martial arts and some persianate weapons.>>49962260This, but why would you make new stories, when you have such a wealth of ones from your vast history and cultures in your lands? Also, i'd wager that the beauty of eastern stories and legends is a bit lost if you have to explain their cultural context to those who are unfamiliar.
>>49962962Also the companies that sell the stories don't have to worry about foreign markets when their domestic ones are so huge.
>>49940149I still remember when one of our terps decided to tell the shit truck guy he smelled like shit.Bastard went to the cooks and tried to steal a knife so he could stab the bastard to death, had to fire the guy.Pissed me off to no end, because I knew the linquist piece of shit only said it knowing we'd protect him.
>>49941325There's recorded incidents of villages sheltering American soldiers from their hunters, even though they had no love of the soldiers themselves.Look up Lone Survivor.
One of the draw backs of the technology we now have is a loss of culture. Where I live we used to do many things from necessity that we no longer do. We used to have traditions no longer followed. These things are gone now. Our own social cultures and actions replaced with cultural memes of the modern era. Slowly but surely I can see this effecting the world. As we grow and become more socially diverse in our own nations and assimilated through the internet the beauty of our individual countries will slowly fade. For now I feel the language barrier is all that is slowing this. It can only be slowed down further by the youth who look to their elders to learn the ways of the past before it's to late.I remember when saying internet memes in public was frowned upon. Now major media companies are selling you these memes in stores around the world. Maybe if we're lucky some of them will be donated to those nice charities that give them to needy kids. I'd enjoy a sad sappy commercial ruined by a tee shirt of the Rage Face and "u mad bro" text as it tells me children die every day to no clean water in suburbs of major foreign cities.>Other cultures are good and all but never forget your own.
>>49962902One of the things I think most people really don't understand is just how different things are in rural Afghanistan.Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing some of the shit they pull. Some of the stuff I saw them do was terrible, and it usually made me want to shoot them.But there was a lot of crazy shit there. The biggest example, I think, is that practically none of them had ever heard of 9/11. The farmers, the smugglers, hell, a lot of the fighters had no fucking idea why we'd invaded. From their point of view, we'd just decided to randomly fuck up their country, something they have a long history of dealing with. Hell, some of them spent as much time fighting each other as they did shooting at us.A lot of their traditions, as backwards as they seem, were survival skills. At the basest form, it was about making sure everyone knew not to fuck with you. People tended to keep shit civil because they knew if they did something, fuckers from the next village over would hunt them down. That, I think, was a big function of their honor killings, it kept shit civil.Like, yea, they're a fucked up people. But they've been at war for fucking generations, and their own tribe is the only group of people they can trust. So they're insular, they're backwards, and they're suddenly violent because it keeps them alive, and has kept them alive for generations.
>>49962902This:>>49962945And in Islam they go the extra mile regarding prevention of prophet worship. Their graves at least in theory should not be holy and so can be destroyed if needed.On the other side people like to have stuff of their ancestors around, so no one but the most batshit fanatics (ISIS, Saudi-Arabia, (early) Taliban) does actually destroy holy sites of historical value.Those who do are considered weird as fuck.
>>49956359>With the terrorists in the immediate vicinity disposed of, he sliced the throat of his human shield and went looking for more.Brütal.
>>49943449those are some swag shoes
>>49961330That's basically how Rome worked.
>>49962245Your ignorance is showing rather badly there. IRL even the Turks publish fantasy literature.
>>49962945>Iranians are immensely proud of their Persian history, including the pre-Islamic period.Their government, of course, thinks that shit is Un-Islamic and punishes it occasionally.>Before ISIS started to take a hammer to their heritage, many Muslim countries were proud of the archaic ruins that littered the landscape.The House of Saud's been destroying historic sites every time they got into power. They've bulldozed most of historic Mecca already.
>>49963155>From their point of view, we'd just decided to randomly fuck up their countryThey were 100% right on their money there though.
>>49963463>Their government, of course, thinks that shit is Un-Islamic and punishes it occasionally.Rarely, and its the government that has protected many historic sites.>The House of Saud's been destroying historic sites every time they got into power.That's as much to do with their rampant commercial building than pure religious fanaticism.
>>49963483>That's as much to do with their rampant commercial building than pure religious fanaticism.No wonder they and the Japanese are reliable US Allies since WW2.
>>49963528At least the US had the good graces to firebomb all the Japanese historical stuff so they didn't have to feel as bad about the construction.
>>49962684>Indian epics are Silmarillion tier badass, with epic level bro-ness thrown inI'll second this. Hindu mythology is freaking crazy. Reincarnation leads to some awesome stuff where you have multiple avatars of the same God fighting each other, or rivalries that go on for multiple lifetimes where the same people keep seeking out their rivals next body to continue their fight.
>>49961420IT seems cumbersome and top heavy to me, my ancestors would have laughed at that shit. and javalined the fucker who tried to go to war with a prestige weapon.
>>49961482It's more than the average warrior was poor as fuck. In North Africa/Spain wars for example people wore armor of all kinds, from fabric armors to full palte and fough in 40ºc for example. Heck, the battle before Alarcos the muslims dumped the Christians to wait under the sun to wear thjem off more quickly and was a valuable lesson for the Christian king for the next great battle of Las navas. Tabards and cloth over the armor were common as fuck to not be cooked be your own armor but it didn't stop them to use the more protective armour possible for they means.
>>49963950Here you can see Muslims (defending) and Christians/portus Attacking, every warrior with full armor.
>>49945794Yeah, lions hate those guys. They see someone wearing one of those red blankets and they take notice.
>>49963907Because the king or high priest that owned that is standing with the javelin fodder and not surrounded by the beefiest, meatsheildiest dudes in his kingdom
>>49955467>nigger mammy abandons children for years>"What a respectable culture!"
>>49965262are the crystal gems
>>49955584>third-world barbarians beheading people>symbolic of courage>"What a respectable culture!"
>>49963999I wouldn't use images like that to try and figure out what was worn on the day of fighting. I've seen multiple images of the capture of Jerusalem that features Muslim and Christian alike decked out in full plate armour with sallet helms, carrying halberds.The concept of 'historical accuracy' is a relatively new one in art.
>>49962245This is the stupidest post on /tg/ at the moment.
>>49956928>Are you yourself satisfied with the lack of diversity?Go suck a nigger's dick, Sven.
>>49965324Let's put it this way. Most medieval and Renaissance art depicting warfare is only historically accurate to the year it was made, not the year it meant to be depicting. Having done a quick image search that's a 15th century pic featuring a 13th century battle. There's a radical difference in arms and armour between those two centuries.
>>49965324Yeah, but the siege of Asilah tapestry was made in the same years (1471-1475), not a few centuries after.
>>49960699>child pornography, sexual slavery, and child prostitution in which prepubescent and adolescent boys are sold to wealthy or powerful men for entertainment and sexual activities>"What a respectable culture!"
>>49961499>Erwin Shrodinger had two lovers for almost his entire life.And that's how you justify being a cuck? Interesting.
>>49965385The USA said it's fine, they allow it on their military installations, so the rest of us can't judge.
>>49965304You know how I know you're a faggot and a millennial?
>>49965370http://tapestries.flandesenhispania.org/index.php/Assault_on_Asilah_(Asalto_de_Arcila) It was bequested at the 1667 by the 4th Duke of Pastrana and 8th Duke of the Infantado,but it was made be Passchier Grenier, c. 1471-1475 in Tournai workshops. So it's as actual for the date as it could be unless I missread something.
>>49965424Are you mentally retarded or just a cuck?inb4 "what's the difference?"
>>49963483Islam really does have a long history of iconoclasm.Not uniquely, it must be said. And not universally. But there is a definite trend.Pic related is from Xinjiang. When the people there converted from buddhism in the 11th century the destroyed and vandalised most of their buddhist monuments.
>>49965458It's a fact. The US allows Afghanis to abduct boys and fuck them inside US military installation. They also allow said boys to work out their anger issues on US soldiers afterwards.We can't judge.
>>49965458Why do you use cuck so much, you seem one of those /pol/ false flag retards than espew the SJW buzzwords. Contriboot or be gone, plenty of Yurop interesting cultures than don't make it in the typical anglo fantasy setting, from Myceneans, Nuragic, Thracians, Iberians or Cretans.
No one ever considers the day-to-day government offices of empires. That's why I once read with a girl about county governmental offices of the Qing Dynasty. I'll start with some wikipedia to explain, then move onto more specific things. Yamen Clerks and Runners were the "Talons and Teeth" of the Qing Dynasty.>A yamen (ya-men; simplified Chinese: 衙门; traditional Chinese: 衙門; pinyin: yámén; Wade–Giles: ya2-men2) was the administrative office and/or residence of a local bureaucrat or mandarin in imperial China. A yamen can also be any governmental office or body headed by a mandarin, at any level of government: the offices of one of the Six Ministries is a yamen, but so is a prefectural magistracy. The term has been widely used in China for centuries, but appeared in English during the Qing dynasty.>Within a local yamen, the bureaucrat administered the government business of the town or region. Typical responsibilities of the bureaucrat includes local finance, capital works, judging of civil and criminal cases, and issuing decrees and policies.>Typically, the bureaucrat and his immediate family would live in a residence attached to the yamen. This was especially so during the Qing dynasty, when imperial law forbade a person from taking government office in his native province.A bureaucrat, the head boss of the Yamen, would always be a man educated in the Confucian classics, and who had taken some of the exams which were necessary to advance up the ladder of careers. To prevent corruption, a bureaucrat could only serve one or two years in his office, before being moved to another county or even province. Due to the difficulties of the exams this sometimes made it hard to get enough manpower to run all the yamens. Between that, and the constant rotation, it was the local employees, clerks and runners, who really controlled how the Yamen operated.
>>49966775>Yamens varied greatly in size depending on the level of government they administered, and the seniority of the bureaucrat's office. However, a yamen at a local level typically had similar features: a front gate, a courtyard and a hall (typically serving as a court of law); offices, prison cells and store rooms; and residences for the bureaucrat, his family and his staff.Most activities were carried out by the yamen clerks, who were at least somewhat educated but usually had not passed even a county exam, and runners, who carried out many duties outside the office. Work in the yamen was relatively steady work compared to most things. Grain prices rise and fall, sometimes the local merchants want to renovate their shops, sometimes they don't, but the local government offices need to keep running, to keep order, resolves disputes and of course collect taxes. That steadiness made it very attractive to that average man, even those from well off families. If you can't pass the exams you could at least still be part of the government by being in the yamen. Several generations of men would work in the same yamen, often dominating one type of duty or another, like issuing permits, tax collection, transcribing messages or anything else the office needed. But any ambitious family would want to dominate as much of the yamen offices as possible, to get ahead in life wouldn't they? That happened quite often, and was one of the sources of conflict in the yamen.People and even families would compete for the best positions, particularly positions of seniority. To put down their rivals clerks in the yamen would often lodge legal disputes over some action by someone else that went against the laws of working in the yamen. These disputes were often resolved internally, only rarely with the instruction o the magistrate himself unless things were particularly hard to resolve or very disruptive. Bribes were passed around often to senior clerks to get a better position.
>>49940009This thread has been cool, even if I agree with the posters that Islam sucks.I think the Inquisition sucks, too. Doesn't mean it doesn't make for an interesting setting.Thanks for this, and all the detail. It's been neat.
>>49966988Other duties carried out by the county yamen were numerous, also competed for: Jailors, watchmen, police, sedan-chair carriers, laborers for the yamen. There was problem for all these employees of the yamen: They were all absolutely illegal by the order of the Emperor, the Magistrate couldn't carry out the duties of his office without them, and there was no legal way to actually pay for their salaries. This required the magistrate to raise new sources of money to pay for his clerks and runners, else he would be unable to be an effective administrator. To do this, magistrates across the empire allowed their clerks to charge the local people for all kinds of services they did for them, such as filing legal disputes, acquiring permits, buying or selling land deeds, all the duties of their offices. This resulted in a great reputation for the yamen clerks being corrupt, and of low status, but there is evidence that being a clerk was a sought after position.Why were the clerks and runners illegal? Because the only people who were thought to be truly capable of carrying out the Emperors will were the magistrates, men who had taken the exams, who had been assigned to their offices, who were rotated out, and who were trusted by their superiors, unlike the county yamen clerks. But all this was ignored, because there was no way to administrate the empire without them. It's funny that the Qing dynasty required technically illegal acts on its most basic level to carry out simple government tasks, but that's how it was.
>>49967225ll this was in place until about the end of the Qing dynasty, and was responsible for pretty much all hands on activities of the government. The chinese have enormous amounts of records from all over the empire, from centuries of dynasties on all sorts of things. Among those are the documents that researchers used as the foundations for writing the information that I've read about the yamen, and conveyed her. There are many years of tax receipts for county offices all across the empire that are innumerable, and have contributed to scholars in developing an understanding of the economic history of China. Creating those receipts were the quarreling, fee-taking, ambitious county clerks and runners who carried out the duties of the government. Keep that in mind the next time you make a setting and discount the importance of local governments when making your huge space filling empire. They don't function on wishes, you know.
>>49961654And I do love the seax style. Thanks anon for the info.>>49961482And I do see what you're saying now. Yeah the environment had a huge effect on the warrior style and armament.>>49962684The curved sword can cut better, but there is little science behind it. On horseback it is easier to just let the curved sword stay low and clip heads/necks. The curve prompts less surface area to contact the armor or flesh. Less contact but big pressure means a more powerful contact point. Here is an interesting link, anon: https://www.reddit.com/r/SWORDS/comments/2phltp/why_do_curved_swords_cut_better_than_straight/>>49963907I have to agree with >>49964131 on this one>>49967087You're welcome
>>49960699I've heard about this. The reason Bacha Bazi flourishes is for a number of reasons: >Islam comes in, they take some illiterate dude and they teach him the Qur'an. They don't teach him to read, they just teach him the Qur'an. >Note that the person that taught them the Qur'an may be just as illiterate and has been taught the Qur'an in the exact same way. >therefore all interpretation of islamic law comes from "best guess" because literally nobody can read the actual texts. Therefore certain practices spring up based on interpretation:>women are considered unclean>womens genitals are considered even more unclean. >young men are considered holy and pure.>muslim man who has recently taken a wife goes to his local holy man and asks how long it will take before his wife gets pregnant>he's asked how often they have sex>eww gross I can't possibly do such a thing. Women are unclean and "that part" is the most unclean. How can i expected to do that with such a creature? Further:>While homosexual love and homosexual relationships are forbidden and punishable by death, homosexual acts are not explicitly forbidden and thus carry a much lighter sentence. >There apparently are a couple of different "types" of 'Bacha Bazi'. There are the ... entertainers, the courteasans who sing and dance and make tea for your average warlord- there's no actual sex involved it's like... living art? Like the old-school geishas? >Then there are the prostitutes that also consider themselves Bacha Bazi, they just dress effeminately and will let anyone fuck them.
>>49967087What inquisition? Because the Spanish one it's one of the most maligned body in history, and no where as much as Dutch and Anglos black legend makers said. Modern historians like Henry Kamen say than with all the documentation (because the Church in general and Spaniards in particular have a love for bureocrazy) about a maximun of 3000 people were sentenced to be killed in 300 years of history (and a good deal of those were killed in efige because or they were already dead, escped or any other reason). The inquisition also only persecuted false "conversos ", mainly Jews and Muslims than said they were catholic but practiced jewish and muslim rites. About the torture, people tried to be procesed be the inquisiton than be normal justice, because the inquistion frowned upon the torture as a flawed way to get information, when it was used it never could leave wounds, deformities or permanent injuries, and never could go for more than a quarted of a hour, and was conducted using the local justice torturer inspectioned be two inquisitors. And for the most part disdained Witchery acusation, it was frowned to believe in those and only the Witches of Zugarramurdi, after the Inquisitor of France dispatched so called witches in the Pyrene and a craze for burning witches flared, were ever procesed.
>>49965439You're probably a Millennial too if you were born after 1980.
>>49965498I don't suppose you have literally any evidence of this?
Speaking of Afghanistan, guess who showed up in the news again?
>>49967974That seems unlikely since there's plenty of places in the world which shares both a shaky grasp of Islam and patriarchy and misogyny but don't also manifest anything like this.My opinion is that it's originates from Hellenic influence where the male form is considered the height of beauty whereas the female form is considered somewhat disgusting by comparison.
>>49966775>sometimesThe Chinese ran a very lean machine in terms of bureaucratic manpower, yes.>They were all absolutely illegal by the order of the EmperorThat's mostly because, from what I remember, the bureaucract was the only legal person in the joint. Everybody else didn't posess legal personhood to begin with and thus couldn't be entrusted with official functions. Once again, the Chinese ran a very lean machine on all levels.
>>49970837Just fucking google it. Plenty of soldiers complained, but all the Brass said was: "We can't judge."
>>49971190Similar totes no homo cultures of older men having gay sex with younger men can be found anywhere between Tunesia to Afghanistan, Anon. It's really a rather common practice in islamic societies.>Hellenic influenceThe rise of islam started at a point in time at which the Greeks had been christians for a good while already.
>>49971456Not him, but Islamic societies were in fact heavily Hellenized ones. I don't think it's specific to just Afghanistan, but I also don't think it's something that just appeared with Islam either. I don't even think it's all that specific to Hellenism either so much as the idea of women being inferior or detrimental to society in general. I see the same sort of homoerotic vibes from Classical Greece as I do Early Modern Central Asia as I do 20th century English boarding schools and the Catholic Church, frankly.
>>49971536>>49971456It's not enough to just have an undercurrent of misogyny in a culture, but there needs to be some sort of exaltation of the masculine aesthetic as well which Hellenism exemplified. That's why you don't seem to see this sort of overtly homosexual subculture among Bedouins, Turkics, or Germanics.
>>49972369They were Turko-Persian. They picked it up from Islamic Persian civilization which picked it up from the Greeks. They preserved ancient Hellenic works and were even bigger Grecoboos than later Renaissance Europe.
>>49972440The "they" in the third sentence being Muslims.
>>49943425Thought the second one was holding a gun for a second.>Trust no-one. Not even yourself.
>>49950348There's no reason to make distinction between "Persia" (understood as the whole geocultural area, not a country) and Afghanistan if you're playing in a pre-18th century game. Afghans are old as fuck, Afghanistan as a nation not so much. If you're playing in Persia or not!Persia, afghans or not!afghans (or their ancestors) should be present.
>>49961278There's a story of a Sikh guy who worked at a factory with my mom. He wore a ball cap instead of a turban and was pretty quiet and shy, pretty difficult for a dude over six feet and pretty well built. One day she asks him if there's a reason why he isn't wearing a turban, like if he was a christian convert or something. Turns out he wasn't wearing it because he thought it would upset people or make them dislike him. She convinced him to start wearing them again. The other people there didn't like to talk to him much, and some of the workers came to mom to ask how she could talk with him. They thought he was shifty, he wouldn't look at people's faces and didn't come over to talk. She knew enough to explain that it was a cultural thing, that looking people in the face was considered rude and he was being excessively polite. Eventually word got around and people would engage with him more often, and joke around with guessing what colour his turban was going to be that day. He came to fit in pretty well after another few weeks past that point.A few years later, they opened up a temple in the much larger town an hour or so away, and she was invited in for the celebration. She wasn't even a little a fan of the food, but she enjoyed hanging out with them and seeing all the colours and decorations they used.
>>49955584>tfw no qt headhunter gf
>>49956666I think the secret would be not presenting it as fantasy at all and build it as a "new" genre immune to conventions that belong to others.The problem is, establishing a new genre (or sub-genre) is extremely hard.
>>49955584>Europeans were struck by the Naga practice of headhuntingOnly because they were uneducated on their history. Celts took heads and preserved them to basically bring out as conversation starters at parties.
>>49949387>north America isn't a racist ethnocentrist shitholeAlso>criticizing ethnocentricism and racism by posting vargAh I see, you're literally retarded
>>49940149thats one handsome motherfucker
>>49963155>practically none of them had ever heard of 9/11I suppose that's good for you americans, considering that otherwise you'll have to explain why the fatherland of the murderers is your ally while you're invading unrelated countries.
>>49974337This, why the fuck did you guys invade Afghanistan or Iraq again? The 9/11 were Saudis if I remember right.
>>49971190Is that exclusive to ancient Hellenic culture, though?
>>49967251OP, thanks for this thread. Despite the baits and shitposting, this sort of stuff keeps me coming back again and again to /tg/.I don't play magic anymore, never really roleplayed, nevermind miniatures. Just board games here and there.But the chance to learn something new about history, culture, and our fellow anons is always a treat. /his/ ain't got shit on you guys.>>49967225>>49966988>>49966775This is fascinating stuff, the "legal illegality" facet reminds me of criminal law in the 18th-19th century. Technically, the laws for felonies were extraordinarily severe- critics and early historians called it "the bloody code"- and almost anything considered a felony (which varied from murder to poaching to theft of items valued at 4 shillings or more) resulted in death.Problem is, in a city like London, where crime waves result in gaols overflowing with people awaiting prosecution, you just can't hang thousands of people in the public squares, lest you want massive rioting every other couple of weeks.So a lot of things end up to the judges discretion, allowing thieves to get minor sentences that have nothing to do with the felony being handled. suddenly, a silver spoon/hankerchief is valued at just under 4 shillings, or reciting certain bible passages allows a lay person to claim the church order's immunity to execution, taking exile instead.Sometimes, in the name of public order and practicality, you just can't carry out the letter of the law.Thanks for bringing this up and reminding us how bureaucracy is not the cut and dry dull stuff our culture stereotypes it as.
>>49974493should have specified: BRITISH criminal law, specifically in the larger cities, particularly London.
>>49967974Most of the documentaries I've watched on the subject say the origins are pre-islamic though.
>>49974094>w-w-well i bet america's worse!!!!!No it isn't, actually. Try coming up with a new kneejerk response to literally any criticism of any country or culture that isn't America. Especially since you don't even know that anon's nationality.>>49974337>>49974394Not a fan of Saudi Arabia, but they banished bin Laden in 1992. Al-Qaeda was based in Afghanistan, and bin Laden was found in a suburban house in Pakistan, right near the Afghan-Pakistan border. Actually, if I remember right, bin Laden wasn't a big fan of the Saudis, either; he was exiled for speaking publically against the Saudi government.Also the Taliban were and are in Afghanistan, and, see, there's this thing called "responsibility" and "cleaning up your messes". I guess you probably wouldn't understand difficult concepts like that.Afghanistan had no resources that we wanted. There isn't a lot of oil in Afghanistan.I will grant that the second Iraq war was pointless and counterproductive though.
>>49974394In their defense, the talibans of Afghanistan were hiding Osama Bin Laden (saudi too btw) and other leaders of Al Qaeda.Against them, they didn't invade Pakistan when the pakistani talibans were hiding Osama, they just needed a special operations team, proving that an invasion wasn't needed at all to get rid of him.
>>49974493See also what happened when the Puritans changed the laws and made death the penalty for adulteryEdward Rutherfurd, "London":>The trial of Jane and Dogget took place in the Guildhall. The courtroom was packed. There was, even amongst the good Puritans and the crowd, some wry amusement at the age of the accused. Yet there was no sense, it seemed, of the deeper irony of the event.>That here, before a stern judge and a jury of twelve solid citizens, was a woman, entering old age, absent from her husband for over a decade, who was prosecuting another woman older than she, for doing something with her husband which, if truth were told, she did not even wish to do herself. Why? Because she had been made a fool of; because she was jealous of both for loving each other; because her God was a vengeful God.>The judge was grave. He knew what the verdict would be.>The evidence was irrefutable. The crime had been seen; the witnesses were reliable. The accused, upon the advice of a lawyer found by Meredith, pleaded not guilty. The witnesses, they said, had misunderstood what they had seen. No carnal act had taken place. But there was not a single soul in that courtroom who believed this manifest lie. The business did not take long. Everyone knew what the penalty for their crime must be. There was no needless mercy, no extenuation in the London of the saints. Their justice was a great, dark rock. The court became quiet as the judge instructed the jury. Nor did the twelve good men take long to consider their verdict. After only minutes they signalled that they were ready. Solemnly the jury foreman stood before the judge, to answer the awful question: “How do you find?” And clearly his voice rang out. (...)
>>49974596Forgot to mention here >>49974712 that it's not really okay to blame the whole of KSA for the acts of some saudi citizens. On the other hand, they're the main exporters of islamic radicalism in the world.I will not accept that "cleaning your mess" is an acceptable reason to invade Afghanistan or any other country, considering that the USA is literally uncapable of not making an even greater mess every time they intervene.
>>49974754 (...)>“Not guilty, my lord.”>“Not guilty?” Martha was standing, trembling with rage. “Not guilty? Of course they are guilty.”>“Silence!” the judge thundered. “The jury has spoken.” He nodded to Jane and to Dogget. “You are free to go.”>“This is an outrage,” Martha cried. But no one was listening.>The judge sighed. The verdict had been exactly as he expected. For if, in their zeal, the saints had passed stern, Old Testament laws, they had overlooked one thing: the trials resulting still had to go before an English jury. And the ordinary citizens had not entirely lost their humanity. The idea of hanging a man and a woman for adultery, however much they disapproved of the culprits’ conduct, offended their sense of fairness. So they refused to find them guilty. Of the twenty-three known cases brought to court in the London area, only one secured a conviction. “So does this mean they are innocent?” O Be Joyful asked Martha. “No,” she replied irritably, “it does not.” Nor, she saw to it, did the weakness of the jury mean that the guilty couple escaped all punishment. There was still the community to deal with. As minister at the church, Meredith had to explain the situation to them. “You can’t stay in the parish,” he told them both. “They won’t have you.” And the truth of this was quickly seen.
>>49974757>I will not accept that "cleaning your mess" is an acceptable reason to invade Afghanistan or any other country, considering that the USA is literally uncapable of not making an even greater mess every time they intervene.Well I know but what I'm saying is an attempt was made. I'm not saying we're good at it :(
>>49974780If only Robin Williams had been right."we bombed those fuckers back to the stone age. They went: "Yay! An upgrade!"
>>49974493I posted that stuff about the yamen clerks and runners, but I'm not OP. Just a guy who read a book last year for a class.My professor encouraged the class to create something other than a paper based on our research. I chose to work with this hot woman and write a spoof of Law and Order based on our research on late Qing Dynasty law. Write good dialog for a script, and the plot for it, is really time consuming.
>>49974780Don't like to blame government decisions on citizens, specially for America, but since you talk on terms of "we" I'll talk on terms of "you". Considering it wasn't the first time you intervened, and you knew how it went the first time, all the blame is on you. The very notion that the attempt is needed or positive is what makes the USA hated around the world.
>>49974836Oh, I figured you weren't OP. I was just thankful for anons like you in general.That project sounds like fun
>>49974836>My professor encouraged the class to create something other than a paper based on our research. I chose to work with this hot woman and write a spoof of Law and Order based on our research on late Qing Dynasty law. Write good dialog for a script, and the plot for it, is really time consuming.Sounds amazing.
>>49974883She was a Harvard educated professor with a Phd. in Chinese history. I was incredulous when she took my joke seriously. I only thought of it then because I'd been back home the other day and my dad had been watching Law and Order all day.
>>49974843This is 4chan everyone uses personal nouns when talking about their countries.
>>49954779What ménagatory madness is this?
>>49974596I never said it's worse, don't put words in my mouth. I assume you're retarded because you used an image of Varg to attack ethnocentrist racists when Varg is one of the biggest ethnocentrist racists in the public eye.
>>49975104That wasn't me btw but fair enough.
>>49961050>>49961218I know! Talking about Egypt always fucks with my head a bit. Because the time gap between the time Khufu said "Hey, you know those big stone triangles? I want one, but FUCKING HUGE", and the time the inbred mutants of the Ptolemeic dynasty generated a woman ballsy enough to have herself brought to Gaius Julius, naked in a sack and proceed to become the most powerful woman in the Roman empire, is 2 and a half millennia.That's an amazing span of time. >>49961278One thing that's interesting to me about the Sikhs and their rep is the assassination of Indira Gandhi. Because she had just ordered a military assault on the holiest site in Sikhdom, and no one thought "hey, maybe reassign these two to another beat" or if they thought it, they dismissed the thought. The kind of reputation for loyalty you need to have for that is staggering.
>>49956504>It's just me, the OP, making the posts. Everyone else is just /pol/Not quite everyone! :)Thank you based 'Anonthropologist'.
>>49975430I'm just a little disheartened by statements like:>Sikhs are bro-tier if you are a fan of /pol/ ideologies or just hate Islam in general.Because neither reactionary ideology nor anti-Muslim bigotry do any justice to Sikhism, its message, and its extensive history with Indian Islam. It's a little sad to think that attacks on Sikhs after 9/11 are sometimes condemned not because it's wrong to do on any level but because the people who call them 'bro-tier' will nonetheless not condemn or even support 'correctly' targeting Muslims which a Sikh would squarely denounce.Modern technology has eroded many of the world's cultures, but another threat is the bowdlerization and tokenization of a culture into a modern ideology.>Because she had just ordered a military assault on the holiest site in Sikhdom, and no one thought "hey, maybe reassign these two to another beat" or if they thought it, they dismissed the thought.To be fair, this is India, and most likely no one was even aware of it.
Huh, I loved the info in this thread so much I was gonna add this on suptg, but someone already beat me to the punch. Good Show.Can be found and voted for here if you'd care to.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Berber
>>49974780>Well I know but what I'm saying is an attempt was made.Not really. In fact, the Bush II government explicitly promised that they'd keep people occupied by making more messes in other places to cover for the mess they were going to make. The occupation of Afghanistan was a joke that put known mass murderers back into power after the Taliban had almost managed to bring them to some form of justice and the occupation of Iraq resulted in Baathists actually joining force with islamic terrorist groups.
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>>49965302You're not even bothering to pay attention to what you're reading. The two first-born children are entrusted to the grandparents, who already have an established household and child-rearing experience, and the father is restricted from meeting their child or living with his wife until the wife/mother has everything necessary for their shared home. It's far more responsible, sensible, and respectable than the typical Western familial arrangement, unless you think massive divorce rates and dysfunctional, financially unstable families that are unable to adequately care for their children are somehow better.