What's up /tg/?For those of you who don't know, the Hektor Heresy is a fan made Warhammer 40,000 Alternate Universe written in a loose sense of the term by several anons here on /tg/.Please check out our work here: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_HeresyWe welcome all comers, if you would like to simply discuss the Heresy, find out more information, or even contribute, don't hesitate to join in the discussion! Critique and newcomers are welcome!
>>49585461For those who are interested (it's been some time since an appearance was made here on /tg/), we have made some progress in the months/years/I'mnotevensurehowlongitsbeen since our last show.>The Scale Bearers have been beefed up a bit narratively.>Uriel Salazar is complete>We have a new anon who has been helping us by printing stats for the Primarch>An old friend has been aiding the rewrite of the Eternal Zealouts and Aubrey's page in generalTHINGS HAPPENED.
>>49585461We already have Imperium Asunder. Do we really need another one of these cluttering up the board?
>>49586579To be fair, this one was first. By like a year or two even. That said, this one also kinda died out. >>49585535Where are you guys still convening? Anything interesting happen with the Black Augurs and the Void Watcher? I know it was generally accepted they were going to be toned down a little.
>>49586666Augurs exist in limbo. No-one likes them but no-one wants to touch them.Crimson Teeth have been on the chopping block for ages, but there's nothing good to replace them.
>>49586692>No one likes them.I'm not sure whether to be sad or happy that they have the same effect in canon and out of it.
>>49586719They are a two-dimensional cartoon-villain Legion. Really, the Emperor would have shanked them after taking one look at the Voidwatcher.
>>49585461Interesting. I thought everyone had either left or decided they hated each other so much that no progress would ever be made again.
>>49586767They've been beavering away through e-mails and skype for ages. Progress never ended.
>>49586746I suppose I'll go back to Imperium Asunder then, where my cartoon villainy is appreciated.
>>49586767I know that a certain writer holds alot of resentment.>>49586782Progress is a nice way to put it.
>>49586803You don't even have to do anything to make progress. Other people are doing it for you.
>>49586782I see. >>49586803I was under the impression that many of them did. Which are you referring to?
>>49586819You know I could justify my lack of content.However, this is the internet.>>49586834I'm not the sort the call out people, even if they do tend to call us out alot.>>49586794But I miss it.
ALRIGHT, FIRST THING'S FIRSTWant some VOTOMS Guard?
>>49586855>they do tend to call us out alotAh, I get you. Presumably one of the people still working on skype, then.
>>49586893Oh hell yes.>>49586896Not at all, although we'll bicker every now and then.They are good people.I'm not saying they write for ImpAss...I'm not saying they don't either.
>>49586922ImpAss? What's that?
IIRC, I was working on a new CSM legion to replace some other we could do without. Don't remember which one though. Now that I'm [REDACTED] I probably have the time to do that, though it would be hypocritical since I'm the one who's always screaming,"CUT LEGIONS".
>>49586954Imperium Asunder. The second /tg/ Heresy.
>>49586922>ImpAssBITCH WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT ALL MY REGIMENTS AND KNIGHT HOUSES
>>49586967Oh, lol. Ok then.
>>49586959What are you talking about Zorg, they aren't even written yet and you wanna cut 'em.>>49586972YOU HEARD ME ZORG
>>49586666These days, working via skype.>>49586868Welcome back, mang.>>49586887sweet jesus no.>>49586893Whatchu got for us?>>49586959>>49586972We were wondering if you were going to keep plugging away at your stuff. You're the guy who decided that Golgy's project was greener pastures :P
>>49586692>>49586719>>49586746>>49586794What. I perfectly love the Black Augurs. Who keeps making sweeping statements with no basing in reality?
>>49586986>We were wondering if you were going to keep plugging away at your stuff. You're the guy who decided that Golgy's project was greener pasturesWhich project?>>49586986>Whatchu got for us?Gren Bloody Eyes. IA/IG, in battle robots. Anything is possible in 40K, especially this.
>>49587009What do you love about them? They're evil. They always were evil. They're selfish, they're backstabbing, they're the Skaven as a Space Marine Legion. They are perfect as a Lost Legion, but the Emperor would have to be both braindead and retarded to let them live, certainly live until the Heresy.
>>49586982>YOU HEARD ME ZORGBITCHhttps://1d4chan.org/wiki/Realm_Guard_and_MercenariesCHECK YOURSELF BEFORE YOU WRECK YOURSELF. RG&M OG.>>49587038Pic related.
>>49587076Ahh, I missed you Zorg.If only I had any muse left.
>>49587098I forgot, which legion were you doing?
>>49587027>which projectImperium Asunder>IA/IGAlright, let's take a look, man.Also, Any ideas for your marines?>>49587038Everyone needs an evil as fuck villain.
>>49587076Also, Voidwatcher is an obviously scheming and untrustworthy guy, but that makes him partially predictable. The Emperor knows he's always going to be looking out for number one, and before the Heresy big E can't see any possible reason that the Voidwatcher would think betrayal would benefit him. He assumes, rightly, Void is just gonna ride the whole Imperium Wave and then get put down by all his brothers if he eventually tries to rebel. Moreover, I think the Emperor would be pretty hesitant to kill the guy he wanted to sit the Golden Throne and lead the legion of Psykers, seeing as he's basically the most irreplaceable of the irreplaceable Primarchs.Also >>49587076
>>49587121>Imperium AsunderHe was there?I was there. I named the fucking thing for Christ's sake.>>49587121>Alright, let's take a look, man.I don't have a blurb yet. It was an idea I was gonna use in Imperium Asunder I should've kept more of them for HkHr's return but that's just 800% legion talk.>>49587121>Also, Any ideas for your marines?Samurai. Evil Chaos Undivided/primarily Khorne samurai. Led by Space Nobunaga.
>>49587152>Golgothos' presenceYup He was angelos or something.
>>49587110How could you forget the Lord of Snakes.Eternal Zealots.
>>49587152Also, the Gren Bloody-Eyes are just 90% mecha anime. Gren-Guren-Gurren Lagann, Bloody-Eye from Cowboy Bebop (Not mecha), bloody as in red-Red Eyes-little known manga about guys in power armor.>>49587176That sneaky git.
>>49587152>Samurai. Evil Chaos Undivided/primarily Khorne samurai. Led by Space Nobunaga.I remember. Here is your Legion Icon again.
>>49587178It's literally been a year.
>>49587184I'm in the Army now. Fite me m8
>>49587201You're not behind a plough?
>>49587193Clearly, 4chan has been lacking in the snake department. Get to work Aubs, we need more snakes.>>49587212Depending on his job, he can do both
>>49587224>Depending on his job, he can do bothI'm trained to fix night vision, not push plows.
>>49587224>Get to work Aubs, we need more snakes.You mean 'Get Aubs to get the other guy to work harder on the Zealots'.The Legion's remodeling is almost done, and it's looking pretty good, if I do say so myself.https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Talk:Eternal_Zealots
>>49587235Whoops, wrong pic. Meant to do my "Glowing with genocidal ecstasy" edit of that one.
>>49587235You're also trained to be a lil bitch.>>49587224The re-snekenin begins.>>49587241Why must you hurt me so.
>>49587248Hurt you? I do it so you don't have to. You can shitpost about snakes and encourage the team while the Legion gets completed for you. And everything in there is your material, just given some spit and polish.
>>49587248LET THE PAIN DRIVE YOU
>>49587262That feel when you are demoted from writer to "cheerleader."I love it.
>>49587308Snakes are Nature's cheerleaders. Everyone knows that.
>>49587248>You're also trained to be a lil bitch.EAT SHIT MARINE/FLYBOY/SEAMANAnyway, now, where should I start? Lemme see... Work on IA... Markian Corps... House Goda... Ogre Legion... Do we already have an undivided Daemon Primarch? House Walkur... Morkai-NOPE. No Morkai until M32! Where did I leave off on the Markian Guard? Battle of Korintus...On House Goda, the Deluge...Ogre Legion... Ain't done shit on the Ogre Legion...We're not gonna sperg about boobplate again, are we?
>>49587308>>49587317Aubrey, Lord of Snakeleading!
>>49587344He's a civilian college student.>We're not gonna sperg about boobplate again, are we?Define your terms.
>>49587344I want to see you doing somehting with House Walkur, mainly because of a character from House Accolon.>Dux Grimir "Ringchaser": Known for his bawdy ways and his fondness for women, Grimir was nevertheless a seasoned Knight and proud warrior. He was a known figure within the ranks of House Walkur, where it is said he broke a hundred hearts and would have been skinned alive were it not for the direct intervention of the King.
>>49587344I can sperg if you want me to sperg.
>>49587358That's silly. Valkyries are all doms.They're also the Adepta Sororitas's onee-chans.
Is Alexandri still here?
>>49587424That Mammoth tank would work better for a redacted legion, to be honest.>>49587410Even Doms can be charmed, and I've seen enough lewd Japanese cartoons about Doms turned into Subs.
>>49587424Not sure if he's here right at the moment, but he's here.
>>49587435>Even Doms can be charmed, and I've seen enough lewd Japanese cartoons about Doms turned into Subs.Well I've read InCase, so there.Oh right, I forgot I had this other idea. See pic.
Wait, I'm confused, did we get something to fill the Crimson Teeth's slot? If not, I have a proposition.
>>49587502I want the Horns of Ruin to come back. I liked those guys.
>>49587502Wait was that the legion we were scrapping for my idea? Don't even remember anything about them.Go ahead, hit us.
>>49587531>>49587527>>49587513Hold on. I may have jumped the gun a little. Let me re-familiarize myself with all the legions. Traitor and loyalist, so I'm not stepping on anyones thematic toes. The Sons of Fire are still Khornate right?
>>49587577Correctamundo.Life Bringers are Nurgle.Sons of Fire are Khornate.Cromwalds Legion are SlaaneshiAnd... ??? are Tzeentch.
>>49587683Justicars are Tzeentch. Either that or the Black Augurs.
>>49587697Voidwatcher always seemed really against them being Tzeentchian. I thought Uriel's gang was supposed to be Tzeentch?>>49587683Son of a bitch. Well shit. Are we down a Tzeentch and an Undivided legion? Or are we down just one that people have thrown around both ideas for?
>>49587715Voidwatcher's issue was that he created the perfect Tzeentch Legion, and yet was dead against them being exactly what they were. In any case most of the Legion would end up Tzeentch because he is the master of Sorcery.We're down an undivided Legion. Crimson Teeth were (Supposedly) Undivided, though they came off as Khornate. Just like Augurs come off as Tzeentch.
>>49587745My main beef was a) having the Tzeentch legion be the sorcerer legion seemed kind of like a cop out because that's how it is in the OU and b) It's really hard to justify Voidwatcher ever agreeing to being someones else's bitch.Also, Black Augurs not Blue Augurs.
>>49587795That color scheme makes me want to throw up. No offense.
>>49587783Let's be honest: The Tzeentch Legion is always going to be strongly Psyker, because that's how Tzeentch rolls. That's how his armies work, and how he manipulates the mortal realms.The Augurs are kind of a one-hit wonder. They're pretty much gone after they do their one thing. Even the Voidwatcher just dies offscreen to his Equerry. And given just how evil and backstabby they are the Legion would self-destruct and fall to extinction within a few millennia of the Heresy. There would be less then a handful left by M41, at any rate.
>>49587795>I was only 10 years old.>I loved Rokuten and the Ogre Legion, and followed their exploits in the Crusade avidly.>I pray to Rokuten every night before bed, thanking him for the Crusade and the Emperor. "Rokuten is love, Rokuten is life">My dad hears me and he calls me a filthy Heretic>I called him a Traitor>He slaps me and sends me to go to sleep>I'm crying now, and my face hurts.>I lay in bed and it's really cold.>A warmth is moving towards me.>I feel something touch me.>It's Rokuten>I am so happy.>He whispers in my ear "Shamefur Dispray!">He grabs me with his infinite potential hands and puts me on my hands and knees>I'm ready>I spread my ass cheeks for Rokuten>He penetrates my butthole>It hurts so much, but I do it for Rokuten>I can feel my butt tearing as my eyes start to water>I push against his force>I want to please Rokuten>He screams a battle cry as he fills my butt with his infinite potential.>My dad walks in.>Rokuten looks him straight in the eye and then rips his head off.>Rokuten leaves through the window.>Rokuten is love, Rokuten is life.
>>49587830You'll never let me live it down, will you?
>>49587815That's the idea. They don't stay as one legion, they kinda just spin off into all their little individual covens across the galaxy. Either attached to larger warbands, living as weird hermits, or even lording over Chaos Worlds. I always saw them kinda devolving into more of a culture or cult, than your proper warbands. They worship the deified Voidwatcher and subscribe to a certain system of recruitment. There might be Black Augur covens with no actual Space Marines in it.
>>49587849It's not Ogre. It's never Ogre.
>>49587795If you want I can make them neutral-colored. Like, mostly grey or black.
>>49587715I think Tzeentch is being handled.[Emphasis on think.]That might have been brought up at a major gathering.>>49587795>>49587830>>49587849They might be due to for a re-design MLXXX.And... green ain't a bad colour.[Jade]
We could just not have another legion and leave the spot empty.
>>49587849>>49587866Only a Shrekmada can control the dragons.
>>49587867We don't need to make a new Chaos Legion when we have four or five cut Legions we could bring back and fix. Horns of Ruin would be cool, a Legion of Destroyers busting shit, led by a crazy anarchist.
>>49587886We already have two Lost Legions. We don't need three.I'd like to have the full 20 Legions, but that's just me.
>>49587907Thinking about it, the legion I was gonna propose is close enough to the Horns of Ruin that I think they should just be brought back. They've got some good ideas. A little spit polish and they could be pretty decent.
>>49587907>Their Primarch's daughter
>>49587933Also you can re-use the awesome Primarch Portraits. Imperium Asunder are unlucky they don't have these.
>>49587915I have agreed to that in the past, but that's a lost fight.>>49587907>>49587933Possible...>>49587715Uriel is still Tzeench.
>>49587915I won't stop until we have twenty lost legions.
>>49587963The Legion I was gonna propose was a bunch of the most ultra-shredded martial artists/gurkhas who believed that force was the only aspect of war that mattered. Basically based off a Bruce Lee quote I found a while ago.>If I were to be completely realistic in my films, you would call me a violent, bloody man. I would simply destroy my opponent by tearing his guts out. I wouldn't do it so artistically."Just the idea that the solution to any defense is to just be stronger than that defense. If you're boxing a guy and he blocks with his arm, punch hard enough to break his arm. I realize that philosophy really fits the horns of ruin, just without the Far East flavour.
>>49588008Horns can be Eastern. There's a bit of a dearth of Legions with that theme.
>>49587956I miss that guy, I really liked the portrait he did for me.
>>49588026That's good. I just have a homebrew chapter that I've been sitting on for a while with a decent amount of lore and realized this was an opportunity to pull them out.
>>49588046Here's the Legion Icon of the Horns.
>>49588050I know. I went and read all the stuff they had.
>>49585461Holy crap this was still being worked on? Emperor bless y'all
>>49588094It would be interesting to see them redone and compared and contrasted with the other 'Destroyer' Legion, the Sons of Fire. For the Sons of Fire will quite literally set a whole planet alight to destroy their foes, while the Horns are probably a bit more focused in the way they bring destruction.
>>49588136That.Is the nicest thing I've heard.Thank you anon.
>>49588136Wow, I thought everyone hated this thing. Including the people who worked on it.
>>49588208Go to Imperium Asunder. They'll have a lot of negative things to say about their daddy project, given a lot of those who left Hektor Heresy went on to Imperium Asunder.
>>49588224Hey, I'm in both. That said, I fell out of this project a while ago because it started to feel like work. Over there I just spit ball wacky ideas all day.
>>49588224Yeah, like that asshole Sauron. Nothing but bad things to say about this.
>>49588248It is work. That's why so many have left. Those who remain are willing to invest time and effort into making shit happen.Imperium Asunder talk a lot, but they produce far less. Their Legion and Primarch Pages are nowhere near as detailed and comprehensive as the Hektor Heresy ones, their Heresy is barely covered and there's a ton of gaps. They talk a lot about their Primarchs and Legions, but do very little with that.
Hey, where da Lumey at?
>>49588333He hasn't been on in a while. But our Sinister Liege will return to us sometime. Maybe this will stir him to wakefullness.
>>49588264Well yeah. I don't really think either of those things are negative though. They're just two different beasts.
>>49588352I envy that team for their certain freedoms.But I pity some of them for their resentment.
>>49588136Thanks, that is just awesome to hear from someone not in the group...>>49588208We hate it, but we need the hatred to keep going.>>49588333>>49588345I HAVE KILLED HIM. ALL WILL BOW BEFORE ME.
>>49588147That kinda fits with the fluff I could incorporate. The legion I was gonna propose, to be called the Astral Tigers, would be all about focused power. Find your opponents most valuable part, largely regardless of what defenses it has, and then hit it so hard they die. This scales from both personal to strategic scale. If the enemy has an HQ, you fucking smash it. If the enemy has a heart or spine, you rip it out. If you're not strong enough to do that, either get more guys in a smaller area or work out more, respectively.
>Thought I might share something here. This is part of an old project that was set aside until things are clearer.Jupiter:Out beyond the inner Solar System, Jupiter sat as a midway point between the Saturn defenses and the Mars/Terra area. The Shipyards there had long supplied the Legions with much of their fighting strength, and now the traitors sought to cut off that supply. Station would turn on station, moon on moon as the complex web of allegiance frayed and tore and old allies became new enemies.Jupiter Sector as it was officially known was the entire Sol System in miniature, the moons and void stations orbiting the colossus the way it orbited the distant sun. Old feuds and rivalries had been supressed but not entirely destroyed by the coming of the Emperor, and the fragile peace of Jupiter Sector rested on a delicate balance of power that Hektor would upset and overturn.Many of the moons of Jupiter had been long inhabited by the time of the Rebellion, and each had its own unique culture. Ganymede was a teeming Hive World, over four billion souls crowded into the many great domes that emerged from the rock-slush surface, their populace the chief labor source for the Shipyards as well as fuelling the Jovian Grenadier Regiments of the Imperial Army. Great barge cities filled with the richest, most powerful and most famous in Jupiter Sector circuited the ocean moon of Europa, which in the deep past had been locked in ice before the might of the golden age of technology had been turned upon it. Callisto held domes where metals and water were mined, while the Volcanic Io held yet more miners who slaved away in the toxic conditions to extract Sulphur and metals. Even more miners were clustered through the thousands of Asteroids around Jupiter extracting yet more minerals to feed the ever-hungry factories and Shipyards of the Sol System.
>>49588601Hundreds of void stations were dotted throughout the sector, most clustered around the core worlds of the Jovian Moons, with a few outliers dotted here and there. Civilian stations like Sunflower Station orbiting Europa held the excess population of the great Hives, research stations such as the Shukenjya Base above Io furthered the cause of Imperial science, and major military instillations like Kepler orbiting above the moon of Amalthea and the test-range of Themisto where all military grade ships first fired their guns were all vital parts of Jupiter Sector.But most important of all were the great Shipyards, the reason for Jupiter’s importance to the Sol System. There were a dozen of them dotted all across the sector. The largest was Gan De Shipyards, which sat between the orbits of Io and Europa. The Gan De Shipyards were over three hundred kilometres across and a hundred kilometres deep. Within its berths, thousands of ships were built and launched in a constant stream, ranging from small Warp Runners to colossal Infernus Class Battleships seventeen kilometres long. Gan De was the only rival for the Iron Ring of Mars in terms of sheer output, with over two dozen new capital class warships launched there every year like clockwork.Though it was the largest, it was by no means singular in importance. Others such as Marius Shipyard above Ganymede and Peiresc Shipyard between Ganymede and Callisto were just as important in producing ships for the Imperium, but one Shipyard stood above them all. Galeleo Shipyard was given over entirely to the construction of ships for the Legiones Astartes, the mighty Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers that were so essential to expanding the Imperium. This made Galeleo Shipyard preeminent in all of Hektor’s tactical considerations when his mind was turned to the problem of Jupiter Sector.>That's it. Just a brief overview of Jupiter before the Heresy.
Man I've missed this. So glad to see things appear to be moving again. I'm going to go ahead and get caught up on this thread, but I just wanted to say I'd love to get back into this
>>49588754You could take a look at the Life Bringers and how they're doing, as another guy has been working on them for a while, and his take is a bit different from yours.
>>49588754DEGUY!I missed thou so.
>>49588754>>49588770Also you should take a look at this guy. He's the Nurgle Mechanicum Guy, and he is caught up with the Life Bringers a fair bit.https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Lyster_Larrey
>>49588601>>49588619So much this.>>49588565>>49588333>>49588094Theme music because DJ TZ isn't here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFoPYw55C_cAlright, guys, we've got an issue here. There's already three competing ideas for a slot, and possibly about to be a fourth, as our friendly neighborhood Statanon also wants to pitch someone. Normally I would shuffle this off into the "someone else's problem" bin, but that's getting rather full and nobody's cleaning it up. So here's what I'm going to do. Everyone who wants their Legion can pitch an idea. Give it something with meat, not just overarching themes.Zorg, you've already got a bit of a writeup, but the wiki page is in a sad state of incompletion, so give us an overview and how you're going to expand things.Anon who wants to do the Horns, if this isn't already Kranios, give us what you're going to do with them, how will the HH benefit from having them around?etc, etc.Other anons from the Heresy, please also chip in, vote, and discuss strengths and weaknesses. I know some of you are still kicking around here.We've also brought up the old, "Why do we have to have 18 Legions, with 2 missing Primarchs?" discussion.Well, there's a problem with that. We'll have three unworked Legion slots. And none of the time to do that in. Many of our writers have gone on to do bigger and better things, and can't contribute like they used to. Most of us can barely work on our own Legions, let alone cover down on multiple others. Don't get me wrong, I've long been a proponent of keeping 20 full Legions, as we're not really selling anything here. But that's also one of those fights that's not worth it.>>49588754Sweet Christmas. We were talking about you not too long ago, and it was wondered what you have been up to.
>>49588838If the Lost Legions were to be abolished and their places filled, we have one potential Legion already overhauled and ready to be slotted in. For a while before I fucked myself over for the second time I was working on a rebranded and rebuilt Crusaders, though I had some issues with how they felt like just Loyalist Lions Rampant (Both Tank Legions with hasty Primarchs). Above that the Legion is still mostly rebuilt and complete and could be quite swiftly brought back into the fold, with a few changes to where the Legion is and what it does during the Rebellion.
>>49588877Don't get me wrong, I see where you're coming from, and it has my vote. But I'm (we're?) the minority in this regard. Please don't get my hopes up just for them to get crushed again.We could still have lost legions when they are required for the story, but leave it as just that. Lost Legions that nobody says or knows anything about. Just that there might have been more than 20 at some point. But, again, that's just me.That being said, it's late as fuck, and I have to be up early tomorrow. Where I fully intend to be around and active. Happy discussions, and have a good one. I will be back. Somebody keep this thread along, even if it's just Aubrey posting pictures of snakes.
>>49588770>>49588797Reading this stuff over, brief as it may be, I have to say that it's well written and flows well with my other stuff. I have no major complaints and look forward to reading everything. >>49588777>>49588838I got caught up with life and stuff, but I'm sorry I fell off. I missed you guys
Who wants to ransack Zhuko V?
Oh man, glad to see you guys are back at it. I would get involved, but you guys are more into writing actual stories and I'm not much of a writefag.Crossover when?
Imma give you guys a quick bump
>>49588838>Zorg, you've already got a bit of a writeup, but the wiki page is in a sad state of incompletion, so give us an overview and how you're going to expand things.I'm just not gonna worry about it. There is an entire segmentum that's just the IA, and I love the IA/IG.In exchange, I want a monopoly on the Adepta Sororitas.
>>49588956NO. NO MORE LEGIONS.WE NEED NO LEGIONS.WE HAVE GUARD.Speaking of which, I had a cool but unrelated idea. No, I'm not gonna tell you. It's irrelevant.
Aubrey, am I doing the snek picture right?>>49591755I can't guarantee total monopoly. But I think everyone would be fine leaving them in your capable hands.That being said, we need to figure out how Golgy's ramblings turn themselves into the official religion of the Imperium. Alex, I'm calling you out because I asked you to divulge what you and Lumey had brainstormed, and haven't yet received an answer.Myself and Uriel also came up with another one, which was probably way more devious and politically underhanded.I just think that would probably influence the Sororitas in some way, shape, or form. And I'd like to get that hammered out a bit.
>>49591811>That being said, we need to figure out how Golgy's ramblings turn themselves into the official religion of the Imperium.Pic related?
>Known to the scribes of the Administratum as Homo Sapiens Robustus, the Komra are a distant branch of the human race that settled in the Galactic Core more than twenty thousand years before the Great Crusade. The hostile environments of their homeworlds have given them stocky frames and thick bones, while their departure from Terra before the development of the Standard Template Construct saw their technology move in a different direction that of the Imperium of Mankind.Komra=armoK>WTF
>>49585461The writefag who wrote rules for all the Hektor Heresy Primarchs, reporting in. Merrill told me to show up so here I am.Hit me up with questions or comments on the rules or bitch about how your snowflake isn't as powerful as you want them to be
>>49591824Problem is we've got Lumey, the hardest proponent of the Imperial Truth, guiding the Imperium and it's creation for a long time after The Emperor is emplaced on the throne.The idea I worked out with Uriel is that after Lumey goes away, the IT is still going strong, but Golgy's religion is basically a collection of Imperial Cults that would hold a core tenet of beliefs.One of them that also accepts the rationality (to an extent) of the Truth within its structure, and has a basic belief as such:>The Emperor is all-powerful>The Emperor is anathema to the warp>The Emperor's power is restricted because he is still limited by his physical form. If he were to die, his soul would go to the warp.>Once in the warp, he would eliminate Chaos and stabilize the warp (see first two points)>Therefore, perhaps Chaos wants him to stay on the throne. If he is hooked up to life support, he can not be a threat to Chaos in the warp or in realspace>As such, the Emperor's plug needs to be pulled to save the Galaxy.Individually, anyone who prescribes to this cult would be the Imperium's version of the tinfoil hat nutter saving MRE's and ammo for when OBUMMER AND THE UN COME TO TAKE MUH GUNZ.Problem arises when someone who's got a decent enough amount of power/clout/etc prescribes to this, believes the HLOT are keeping the Emperor on the Throne intentionally and are corrupted by Chaos, and he decides to act.He fails, the HLOT declare him and anyone who follows him or that specific cult are under the influence of Chaos, and decide they need to get ahead of this whole religion thing.They do so by calling in a bunch of cult leaders and creating an official, government-backed version of the belief system that we know and love as the Imperiul Cult/Ecclesiarchy, granting them control over how the church/cult/masses believe in Big E.>>49591968Awesome! Welcome! My speshul snowflake needs more power!Though as of right now, it's pretty much just Zorg and I.>cont
>>49586719His legion may be shit, but his rules were all kinds of fun to write.
>>49592021>Problem is we've got Lumey, the hardest proponent of the Imperial Truth, guiding the Imperium and it's creation for a long time after The Emperor is emplaced on the throne.We could just kill him.Or implement him in some scandal to defame him. Maybe it involves the Adepta Sororitas and a baseball bat.
>>49592021>Back to religionI like the idea, Uriel likes it, but not sure if anybody else does. Plus, as I said, Alex and Lumey were working on something, but I have no idea what, and I'd like to hear it. It may be better, or worse, or each of them account for different aspects of things and themes could be incorporated into each other.>Ownership of the AdeptasSeriously, Zorg, nobody's writing it, so have fun with them to your heart's content.>>49591968And you had a Legion idea to pitch? It might be a good time now without so many competitors posting and Zorg here has pulled his submission from the pot.
>>49592061>Seriously, Zorg, nobody's writing it, so have fun with them to your heart's content.Once we get to M35.Or was it M36?Somewhere in that ballpark.
>>49587513>>49587502>>49587915>>49587531If we need to fill a legion, I have one written out write now. After I got done writing out the rules for all your primarchs (currently posted on their 1d4chan pages) I got really bored and wrote up an entire legion, including primarch, rules, legiones astartes tactics, and everything. They're based off 18th and 19th century American Exceptionalism mixed with a lot of european style colonialism. Basically everything good and bad about classical American/British society roled up into one. Huge legion with huge guns, but bad relations with the outside imperium, and horribly classist behind a facade of "equality and equal rights for all."Naturally betray the emperor for MUH FREEDOM
>>49587907>bring back and fix.why would we bring back a legion rather than just making a new one?
>>49592117Because ANARCHY FOREVER!
>>49592021>My speshul snowflake needs more power!That's not how this fukken works, kiddo. >>49592061Already done, though I'm not too worried about it. Whoever replaces Camaxtli, I get to replace their rules, although if they're another utility primarch I'm going to punch a fucking infant. We already have too many of those.
Also, could we please get this Uriel shit figured out? Because I'm sick of going to his page and seeing "cannon is fucked, do not write."My OCD demands that he must have rules.
>>49592076>Move the story past the Heresy>Pic related>>49592108Alright, send up some of what you got, let's hear it!>>49592117Because a lot of them were fan favorites that got cut because we needed to go from 30 Legions to 25 to 18. Some of them, the original anon was just no longer around. Others were really cool and well-received, but could be easily folded into other Legions, etc.>>49592145>too many utility Primarchs>pic related>>49592151Uriel says he's good, the storyline is how he wants it, any further work is just cleaning up grammar, spelling, etc.The only thing that really needs to be worked out his his Great Crusade section, but that's just allowing for a bit more info in some parts/pieces on the how he falls bit.
>>49592181fuck.>pic intended for previous post
Had an idea for a Nurglite daemon princeess. Gentlemen, meet Anorexia, the Matron of Maggots. Very lean and lithe, insectoid limbs, has tiny and sagging teets, winner of the Ms. Chaos Beauty Pageant forty thousand years straight.Pic related.
>>49592181>Alright, send up some of what you got, let's hear it!Here's the basics, I've got a word doc filled with some more backstory plus the primarch rules and more formalized Rights of War and Legiones Astartes tactics (also primarch rules). Legion Name: Sons of Liberty (a working title, will likely change when I think of something better)Legion Number: VIIHomeworld: Columbia Primarch: Thomas Magton (like megaton, get it?)Specialty: FIREPOWER, BABY (also roughriders and HEAVY INDUSTRY).Ideals: Liberty, Democracy, Freedom of speech and expression.Weaknesses: Imperialistic, Ironically quite classist, tends to stripmine planets to death.Heresy Disposition: Traitor, because MUH FREEDOMLegiones Astartes: Sons of Liberty: Rights of War: Fires of Industry (makes upgrades cheaper, encourages mechanized lists), Rain of Fire (ALL THE GUNS. Incentivizes artillery and very brave infantry, a la Iron Warriors), Charge up Sanaun Hill (roughriders baby! Allows you to take *obligatory cavalry elite squad* as troops, gives scout moves to and makes them scoring). (R.O.W.s make upgrades cheaper, make mass production highly beneficial, make lots of tanks and artillery the way to go)
>>49592348A little TOO American.
>>49592348And the legion tactics that somehow got cut out are the following:Legiones Astartes: Sons of Libery: Legion heavy weapon squads may elect to have Slow and Purposeful if they so choose. All units have Stubborn so long as their squad leader is still alive. The following upgrades are half cost: nuncio vox, legion vexilla, grenades/melta bombs. The idea is to have an army of infantry and tanks slowly moving up the field blowing the fuck out of everything as they go, sort of like the bastard child of the Death Guard, Iron Hands, and Iron Warriors.
>>49592376That is literally the point. I might do a little more blending to make it less straight up american and more just western democracy, but the point is to show a corrupted idealization of western ideals. Might mix in some more british, change the name, etc. This is just the rough draft that I wrote at 4AM because I couldn't sleep.
>>49592403No, I mean it's too American. Like, literally America.You get bonus points for the Metal Gear reference though.
>>49592436There are zero metal gear references in it. Metal gear just references America a lot.
>>49592436So we can have literally Mongols and literally vikings and literally crusaders but not literally Americans?
>>49592495Oh, then I guess it's absolute shit then.Sons of Liberty. SONS OF LIBERTY! Referencing the 18th-century organization and not the video game! What sort of American are you?>>49592504Americans aren't Chaos. If 40K was realistic, there would be no Imperium; it would be the United States of America.
>>49592520>Oh, then I guess it's absolute shit then.JK JK.You're still a traitor to your country though.
>>49592376ASTARTES!! FUCK YEAH!
>>49592520It would only be betraying my country to reference the historical organization if I was Japanese. Do I look Japanese to you?
>>49592520>Americans aren't Chaos.Amerifag pls
>>49592619Every country in the world belongs to America!
>>49592348Alright, that's a start of a summary, but could you discuss it in more detail? Who is Thomas Magton? What makes him the person/Primarch he is? What defines the Legion? What causes them to turn traitor?
>>49592348This... This is actually kind of awesome. If I were you I'd tone back the literal "we are spess America" bit and make it more generally 18th century imperialism in spess, but this has oodles and oodles of potential for cultural inspiration. We already have an 18th century revolutionary legion. Why not a 17th century imperialist legion. Also, you're the guy who's writing the hektor heresy primarch rules on 1d4chan, right?
>>49592145Yes.I'd like to formally request Aubs come equipped with an option to deploy in his personal "Pimp-Mobile."That aside, I'd actually love to see a breakdown of a challenge between Roman and Aubs.How close are they to killing eachother.
>>49593029Roman kicks his ass, but he does better than anyone else in the heresy. I'll post the mathhammer in a moment. (seriously, roman is the next best thing to impossible to beat in melee. If you don't have the D *cough* *LORDOFSKULLS* *cough* *IMPERIALKNIGHT* *cough* you just can't hurt the guy.>>49592956>cool legion thanks. >you the rules guy .Thats me.>>49592932Working on it, be posted shortly.
>>49593234You the same rules guy that was here quite a few months ago that was statting people, or a different one?
>>49593372The last time we tried, it was just a few of us trying to stat our own work.
>>49593372Different. I started this about three weeks ago. >>49592956>>49592932Yeah, the summary I typed out is 7000 characters long. I'll post it shortly after I get this guys ( >>49593029 ) mathhammer figured out.
>>49592932When the infant primarchs were stolen away from the Emperor's gene foundries on terra, one of the pods landed on a wartorn, blasted world. The young primarch's gestation pod came crashing down amid a battle, one more piece of flaming metal among the millions flashing through the air. When it struck the land it hit a bunker with great force, leveling the once mighty fortification in a cataclysmic explosion. When search teams were sent to investigate what had destroyed the command structure and inadvertantly won the battle, they found a child, barely more than a toddler, playing amongst the blasted, smoldering ruins. Believing this child to be a gift from the heavens, the men took him back to their commanders. As the years went on the boy grew and learned, coming to know his home for what it was. Its overlords knew it only as Extraterritorial World XVI, but its inhabitants called it Columbia. This child, named Thomas Magton by the soldiers who took him in, grew up among the ranks of rebel soldiers who fought a technologically superior colonial empire, whose name was struck from history after Magton's victory, and of course he was victorious. How could the coming of such a child, this gift from the heavens, this child of the gods, portent anything but victory? Thomas grew faster than any mortal child, reaching adulthood in a mere handful of years, learning the weaponry and tactics used by the rebels to carry out their ongoing war, and most importantly, he took up their indomitable spirit. These were men who fought enemies whose weapons shot the very lightning of the sky, whose armor could tower five times the height of a man, whose ships flew the void between worlds and could blast away whole cities in a single shot. Yet these men, these ragged soldiers with no greater weapon than the musket, the sabre, and whatever they could steal from their overlords, continued to fight a war they knew they could never win.
>>49593625After his first battle, where he saw his friends slain by the hundreds, Thomas swore he would bring down the tyrants that ruled them, but he was no fool. He knew that as they stood, the hundreds of disparate bands of rebels could never truly threaten an empire so powerful as the one that ruled them. How to defeat a superior enemy was the question. His answer? Industry. Thomas introduced to his world the assembly line. Rather than have each weapon forged by an artisan, he taught the citizens of his world methods to produce weapons of increasingly greater power, and in greater numbers than they ever could have before. Factories and foundries were dug beneath blasted cities, and Thomas Magton's revolution began. Though they thought it inconsequential at first, the tyrants who ruled Columbia began to notice increasingly advanced weapons and tactics being used by the vermin who opposed them. What had once been extermination missions, little more than a chance for the nobles to go forth in their towering suits of armor and wipe out defenseless rabble, had become more and more dangerous. No longer were they fighting peasants with primitive muskets and swords. In the first few engagements, they began to take fire from rifle-barreled canons that could actually pierce their armor. They fell into traps; pits dug by steam shovels and covered by a thin lattice of rusted metal. Soon they had to avoid urban areas all together, so rife were they with booby traps and concealed weapons.As the years went by, the rebels became increasingly aggressive; they weren't content to merely fight on the defensive anymore. The nobles began to fall to their own weaponry, their powerful guns rigged to the top of simple internal combustion powered armored vehicles. Their bases faced shelling day and night, fired upon by artillery regiments that would melt back into the cities whenever they returned fire.
>>49593637Finally, the tyrants had enough. They'd lost dozens of Knights in this petty war, and they'd risk no more. An order went out for every city to be purged with nuclear fire. Great starships blackened the sky in preparation for the cleansing, yet the capital ship whose weapons were to burn the world just sat silently. Communications had stopped. Boarding parties were sent to investigate, and when they arrived, they found a ship under siege. Led by a towering warrior clad in steel plates, rebel forces had boarded the ship using the tyrants' own shuttles, and were taking the capital ship.With saber and pistol the rebels went deck by deck, slaughtering any who resisted them, but sparing all those who laid down their arms. Fearing that his ship was lost, the noble captain fled to the cargo bay, planning to don his armor and leap from the ship, to retreat to one of the few remaining rebel strongholds. To his great terror, he found the armored giant who had led the boarding parties waiting for him. To his even greater surprise, the giant introduced himself as Thomas Magton, General of the Sons of Liberty, and allowed him to don his armor. The captain didn't understand, but he certainly wasn't going to complain. In moments his great Knight was awake, its shields crackling into life as his weapons came online. But before he could fire upon this upstart general, he died. A fifteen pound shell moving at six times the speed of sound punched straight through his suit's ion shielding and armor, killing the captain and his Knight in a thunderous detonation. Thomas had never intended to let the captain escape, but how often did he get the chance to test a weapon against the ion shielding of a noble's Knight armor from this close? He couldn't miss such an opportunity. Tempted as he was to stop and calibrate his experimental mass driver further, he instead commandeered the ship with his men, pressing the crew into service.
>>49593649With the great guns of the capital ship trained on them, the rest of the fleet surrendered. The crewmen were pressed into service, and any noble who was willing to surrender his title and serve was spared, but demoted to the lowest ranks. Over the following decades, Thomas Magton led the Sons of Liberty in freeing all other Extraterritorial worlds from their overlords, integrating their populace, pressing their armies into service, and giving them a true taste of freedom. By the time the Emperor arrived, the noble tyrants who had once ruled Columbia and dozens of other worlds had been destroyed, and Thomas was the Chancelor and General of a senate that ruled 65 inhabited worlds and moons, across 47 systems. They brought light and freedom wherever they went; worlds who had joined and aided their conquest had their standards of living raised and terraformed into lush garden paradises, with towering cities of gleaming steel and glass. Entire uninhabited planets and astroid belts were mined to feed the fires of industry, that freedom and peace might be enforced with the steel fist of Columbia's armies. I'll work out the specifics of what they were doing during the great crusade and the heresy if the legion gets approved. They turn traitor because Hektor promises Thomas less imperial interference in how he governs his people, because he's getting sick of the Imperial Truth interfering with what he envisions as eventually being an egalitarian, pluralist society, once the wars stop. It doesn't work out quite like that (this is warhammer after all).
>>49593662As the Great Crusade and Heresy go onward, we'll see less and less of the good sides of western society, and more of the bad sides. They'll get more imperialist, they'll start stripmining entire planets to feed their war effort, they'll get more and more elite and aristocratic with a massive wealth divide. However, they're not going to be straight up chaos during the heresy. They're not even going to directly join the traitors, except for the basics of what they needed to do to stay on Hektor's good sides. No, they're going to basically be doing what the ultramarines did during the heresy: empire building. They'll build up a big stellar federation (empire), that's fortified all to hell, with dozens of garden worlds at the center, and strip mined fortress worlds on the edges, fortifying the sector. When the scouring comes around, they hold out for millenia, but become increasingly desperate and totalitarian over time until what was once an almost idyllic society is now a chaotic and loose alliance of heavily classist, blasted, stripmined worlds, a few dozen planets holding out against the empire.
>>49593029For you: Pimpmobile. No. Unless you mean some kind of dedicated transport a la Perterabo's shadowsword or Dorn's Thunderhawk. Then throw me an idea, and I'll play around with it. Aubrey vs Roman. I'm just gonna straight up say, Aubrey loses. Bad. Roman isn't supposed to lose a duel, that's just how he's written. Though Aubrey actually does better than any other primarch against him (save for Horus and The Voidwatcher, who can pull through with psychic shenanigans if he gets REALLY lucky rolling powers). The two have identical stats (in a challenge), so you'd think it would be really close, but it's the special rules that make the difference. Aubrey's poisoned is worse than Roman's shred and +1S, and Aubrey's 2 wounds on a 6 thing hardly makes any difference at all, because Roman's Parry rule is going to be used by any smart player to negate any attack rolls of 6 50% of the time, so the two rules more or less cancel each other out. In the first round of combat, when Aubrey's at his best with those hatred rerolls, they strike at the same time. Roman inflicts 1.122 wounds after saves and IWND, whereas Aubrey inflicts 0.66, and he only gets worse after round 1 because he loses his parry. Roman really can't be taken down in a fair duel, he's built not to. If you want to beat him, you HAVE to mess with his stat line somehow. That said, Roman would never fight Aubrey if Aubrey's player didn't want him to, he's just too slow compared to Aubrey to catch him.
>>49593842*only gets worse after round one because he loses his hatred Sorry, wrong word.
>>49593842>>49593857Although just for the record, I'll be rebalancing roman a bit later. After crunching him against other primarchs, he's coming out a bit more overpowered than I meant him to. He's supposed to be the best duelist in the galaxy. He's NOT supposed to be able to spank most Primarchs, a WoK Bloothirster, or a Wraithknight without taking a single wound. Kind of fell into the trap of making a character who's technically balanced in terms of relative tabletop value, but is too far to the right of the bellcurve compared to his peers.
>>49593625>>49593637>>49593649>>49593662>>49593702I like this.It is definitely interesting. Has a few questions which need to be answered, but this is some good stuff, m8.
>>49593625>>49593637>>49593649>>49593662>>49593702Good stuff, but you should put a bit more effort into defining your primarch as a person, and the character of his legion. We know what events shaped them, and we know their specialties and history, but we don't know anything about their legion character beyond "indomitable spirit" and lots of BFG's. As it sits now they read like a blend of Iron Warriors (lots of guns and artillery), Imperial Fists (dogged determination, unbeatable spirit), and Iron Hands (mechanized as fuck, don't care about causalities). ... Which in retrospect is actually a lot of legion character... But we still don't know much about the primarch!
>>49595117>we don't know anything about their legion character beyond "indomitable spirit" and lots of BFG's.??? Does he need something else?
>>49595237>Dark Angels: Secretive, efficient, duelists, quiet.>Emperor's Children: Perfectionists, prettyboys, artists, very fast.>Iron Warriors: Bitter, determined, pessimistic, siege specialists, DAKKA DAKKA>White Scars: NOTmongols, fastest legion, epic facial hair, predatory legion culture.>Space Wolves: NOTvikings, melee and teamwork specialists, werewolves, MUH NAVY >Imperial Fists: Duty is life, MUH CASTLE, never retreat, also MUH NAVY>Night Lords: Space murderers, fear tactics, no remorse, melee specialists.>Blood Angels: Angels, vampires, furious melee, flamethrowers and miniguns, MUH PRIMARCH>Iron Hands: Cyborgs, tanks, hand as nails infantry, close ties to admech.>World Eaters: NOTberzerkers, THE melee legion, infantry heavy, no prisoners. >Ultramarines: By the book, disciplined, versatile, MUH EMPIRE, MUH SUCCESSOR CHAPTERS>Death Guard: Grim, stoic, chemical warfare, physical endurance, NO PSYKERS.>Thousand Sons: Curious, lots of psykers, well meaning fuckups, ostracized.>Sons of Horus: Brutal gang member/native american/thug/wolf... Marines... Horus. Stuff. Okay, the SoH are a bit confused about that legion identity.>Word Bearers: Pious, zealots, very brave, charismatic, MUH BOOK>Salamanders: Stoic, smiths, artificers, asymetrical warfare, MUH FLAMES>Raven Guard: Quiet, sneekycheekybeekies, hit and run/stealth tactics, a bit emo.>Alpha Legion: May or may not actually exist, may or may not have 2 primarchs, may or may not be traitors, may or may not now be an ultramarine "successor chapter", may or may not be working for the cabal/illuminati/Burger King>MURICAN MARINES: lots of guns.
>>49595482>MURICAN MARINES: lots of guns.And?
>>49595546Okay if you're going to be deliberately obtuse there's not much reason to reply, is there?
>>49595821It's your fault for replying.
>>49595821Welcome to zorg
>>49595864JEAN-BAPTISTE. EMANUEL. ZORG.FER THE CAURSE.
>>49595918Go eat a cherry.
>>49595950Tell that to somebody who doesn't love the Guard as much as I.Hey Alex, is it okay if I rewrite your entire legion and make them into magical girls? Yeah? Coolio, thanks man.
>>49595986I should write some Imperial Army regiments for the /tg/ heresy.
>>49585461Hmm. Didn't know you guys were still on 4chan.
>>49596540We could always do with a few more. And some more Knight Houses as well.
>>49596574You've been gone a while. Don't know about the others, but I've missed you big-time.
>>49596578Gonna write up a knight house where they're all anime characters. >The knights can only be piloted by teenagers. >Half of them are vampires for some reason>The knights are painted with bright and colorful paint schemes>Their weapons ALL involve lasers>They MUST scream their rival's names in combat
>>49596574Hey! I wrote rules for your dude! They're on his page, go check that shit out.
>>49596614I guess I'd say I missed you too, if I knew who you were, lol. >>49596625Interesting. I'm sure they're impressive, although I haven't ever played tabletop so you might have to elaborate on how exactly those rules work.
>>49596673Arelex! You have returned!
>>49596616Knights of Evandam?
>>49596892I wouldn't say that, exactly. I just thought I'd pop in to say hi.
>>49596972There are plenty of us who do want you back. You're a good worker, and the more negative among us haven't be in that much recently.
>>49597029>You're a good workerThat's not as correct as your rose-tinted goggles might indicate, lol.
>>49596673>I haven't ever played tabletopYou want to know the funny thing here? Despite apparently being the main rules tabletop guy in the crew atm, I've never actually player Horus Heresy. Plenty of 40k, sure, but never Horus Heresy, the game whose rules I'm presumably writing. On another note, if you've never played any of the tabletop games... Why are you even here dude? >>49596616This could actually have potential to be cool and lore friendly. Make a house of Knights whose unique Thrones only bond with young pilots. Considering that younger people tend to be more dramatic and emotional, consider how teenagers think differently from adults. How would young pilots make a Knight House function differently? Perhaps lower LD, but add rage or furious charge or something? The possibilities are endless!
>>49597086Not really. You did a lot of work on the Atalantos Worlds, and you could probably do a whole bunch of other planets for great battles of the Rebellion. Also the War Scribes have been untouched for a long time and really do need to be brought up to scratch. They are the second Legion, and very, very important to events.
>>49597139When I finally got fed up, dropped the mike on Skype, and left, Lumey took over and reworked the entire Scribes history or something like that. If Alex is still around, he can give you more details. So I think they've already been "fixed".
>>49597183News to me, I haven't seen any reworking of the Legion done since you left.
>>49597183>>49597240Trouble in paradise, eh?
>>49597347This was a while ago, lol. Like, back at the end of April. But yeah, there were some issues at that time. >>49597240Check the logs.
>>49597347There's always spats on a project like this. many egos in one room can lead to arguments and debates, sometimes bitter ones.Ask about Nathanog sometime, there's an interesting story.
>>49597384This is me, asking about Nathanog. >>49597378What's the deal with Lumey by the way? Did he head up the project or something? He seems to have a large amount of control over things (the heading of almost every /tg/ heresy character on 1d4chan is lumey's opinion of them).
>>49597378it seems that he did half a job. Nothing about the Legion after the Atalantos Crusade, nothing about the Rebellion or the Scouring, nothing about the spat with the Mechanicum.
>>49597468>What's the deal with LumeyBoy, you do ask the hard questions, don't you?I'm probably not the best person to ask that question though, since my answers are guaranteed to be biased and incomplete.
>>49597515I don't think anyone can avoid Bias with regards to him. He's been both a great strength and a great weakness to the project.On a different matter, you seen this guy? The new Fabricator General.https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Kalkas_Tygian
>>49597479Rebellion and Scouring being AWOL is at least as much my fault as Lumey's, because I never really got that far in the fluff writing, for a variety of reasons.
>>49597551I remember people beginning to flesh him out right around the time I left, but that's about it. Whatever you guys wanted that character to be is your affair, it's not my project anymore, lol.
>>49597515>>49597551Just answer the damn question y'all, whats Lumey's deal? If I'm jumping on to this project I gotta know what's up.
>>49597628Do you mean as an anon or a character?
>>49597788The writer. I've read the character page.
>>49597628If I say anything about him and he's gone, then I'm attacking someone who isn't here to fight back. If I say anything about him and he's here, I'm just coming back after having walked away from the project, and talking shit in public. So I'm not going to say anything.
>>49598069Fair enough. Entirely unhelpful, but fair enough. Just answer this yes or no question: is it indicative of his personality that his opinion of every primarch is at the top of all the 1d4chan pages?
>>49598149Well, that was mostly just a fluff thing that he did early on. None of us really minded too much, it's a legacy thing from forever ago. Hell, it might not even be relevant anymore. Ultimately, he was one of the few people who could keep all the various plot threads together in his head. I failed at that frequently. And on the other hand, he tended to have very strong opinions on where exactly those plot threads should go, how they should be written, and how the story as a whole should look. This often conflicted with people's ideas. He worked hard, and I appreciated that. He also tended to steamroll other people's ideas, which I didn't.
>>49598193A fair assessment. Thank you.
>>49598149That's because Gaspard Lumey the Primarch is the Not!Guilliman of the Hektor Heresy. He is the Primarch who saved the Imperium, he is the Primarch who reformed the Space Marines and who is basically the Spiritual Liege of the Imperium (The Term 'Sinister Liege' is used). Though Lumey is no hero like Guilliman, he's a French Revolutionary Primarch who often stopped to terror tactics and summary executions to get his way and he upheld the Imperial Truth for long after the Rebellion ended.As for Lumey's writer, he's a lot like his Primarch. Caustic, blunt, pointed, often arguing with people and unafraid to mince words. He often rubs people the wrong way. But as Arelex said, he was the main driving force in keeping things moving and pushing the project forward, even if his way of doing it tended to be oftentimes unpopular.
>>49598193His character is a self insert?
Why must every /tg/ heresy thread devolve into drama?
>>49598588Because any project with a bunch of people working together on a shared setting inevitably descends into drama.
>>49598588Because this is the internet? >>49598573Everyone's is, to a greater or lesser extent. The entire project began as an offshoot of a "Describe yourself as a Primarch" thread way back when.
>>49598680>"Describe yourself as a Primarch"See, now I'm worried about some of you.
>>49598848"greater *or lesser* extent". :P
>>49598883Well, it was good talking to everyone. Nice to see that the project's not gone gently into that cold night.I hope you all have fun working on it. And for the guy who was writing rules for Arelex, it seems pretty accurate. The only thing I would mention is that of all the stats I felt Arelex might specialize in, mental/physical resilience would have been it. I liked the idea of a man who simply would not ever give up on the Emperor's quest, who believed that any loss was only delayed victory, and even if everything around him was reduced to nothing would only be thinking of how to rebuild. Not exactly an optimist, but rather a person who never believed that ultimate victory was impossible, no matter how much father away it might move. Someone who was always willing to stand back up and try again. I dunno if tabletop has any pertinent way to represent such a thing, but if it helps, there you go.
>>49599380>Aralex don't give up. Dude has It Will Not Die, Fearless and Leadership 10. There is literally nothing in the game that can scare him away or break him. He's tough, he's fast, and he doesn't afraid of anything.
>>49598848Actually, some of us went the opposite direction. Uriel is nothing like his Primarch described. When I started writing up the IR, they were loyalist reasonable marines. I think I went into a more fun route.But, if you want opinions of Lumey, they are varied. There are times when he and his methods and thoughts are needed and appreciated. And there are times when they drive people away. Most of us are guilty of getting into spats with him at one time or another.
Alright, I'm out for the night. Maybe Alex will grace us with his presence overnight, but I doubt it.Bumping with pictures of snek, is this right Aubs?
>>49598883It's kinda hilarious how much some of the legions changed since those early threads.I remember when the Black Augurs were a legion of half-Eldar.
I'm going to post this here as well. It's a brief overview of my own idea as to how the Heresy goes down and what roughly happens.After Hektor’s fall on Cadia, he begins to use his many connections to set things up for his rebellion. He knows that most of Sol Segmentum will side with him, and so he plans an Alesia type operation. Taking all of Segmentum Sol in the initial surge of rebellion, thus giving him the most densely populated and productive part of the Imperium under his command from the get-go. Terra and those systems closest to it will be encircled along with the half of the Cataphracts that are currently deployed on Terra, trapping them where they can be destroyed at leisure. While operations in the Sol System itself, on Luna, Mars and Jupiter ensures that the defences of Terra will be compromised well before the traitors arrive. At the same time an external wall around the Sol Segmentum is established with legions tasked with keeping those Loyal Legions on the furthest fringes (Void Angels, Steel Marshalls etc) from breaking through to Terra. With the Sacred Bands almost uniformly on-side with Hektor, there is a lot of internal agitation in some Legions to bring them into Hektor’s side which should either give Hektor the advantage in numbers, or keep those Loyal Legions paralyzed with internal infighting.
>>49600977The Rebellion begins with three almost simultaneous actions against the three Loyal Legions that are either too close to Segmentum Sol or too dangerous to simply ignore. The War Scribes, rearming after a long and brutal campaign in the galactic east are instructed by Hektor to join him on a campaign against the remaining Ullanor Orks. And as both Legions prepare for their conjoined operation, the Heralds turn on the War Scribes and all but destroy them. At the same time the Scale Bearers, rearming over a Forgeworld are assaulted by the Iron Rangers and also devastated with their Primarch killed. And finally the Entombed are crushed with their now insane Dreadnought-Primarch destroyed (Details to be decided). In one swoop and three separate actions three major Loyal Legions are wiped off the map. In the aftermath Sol Segmentum largely falls to Hektor, Terra is encircled and the heart of the Imperium ripped out by Hektor.From here, the Traitors suffer their setbacks. Before they can make their thrust towards Terra, they have to deal with foes in their rear. Chunks of Sol Segmentum do not idly submit, and Hektor has to pacify them to consolidate his holdings. The need for resources to fuel the Forges and Factories of Sol Segmentum means the Traitors have to move outwards to secure vital war materials. This sucks the Traitors into several massive battles that bog them down and sap their strength (Rosskar, Zhuko V). Loyalist Legions start to probe the outer walls of the Traitor Holdings. And those very powerful Loyal Forces outside Hektor’s control start to move back towards the heartland of the Imperium, and efforts to stop them (Dolsene, The Lion’s Corridor) fail.Hektor, with his outer defences barely holding, turns inwards and attacks Terra, hoping his outer defences will keep the Loyalists at bay until after Terra is reduced. It fails, and the Rebellion is broken, the Traitors breaking out and heading north, fighting their way to the Eye of Terror
Hey Zorg. Can we discuss some name for the Ogre Legion, I'm ready to start seeing you work on them for the Crimson Teeth Slot.Wait, why don't you just take the name Crimson Teeth and have their moniker be the Ogre Legion? Pretty please with Emperor-berries on top?>>49600977>>49600988We don't know all the players for the Heresy. We don't know many of the Primarchs and such. I really don't know.
>>49601712Are you him? Are you really the original drawfag? Because if you are, holy shit have you been missed.
>>49601726yeah its me long time no see I guess
>>49601731Praise be onto you remembracer.Doth thou have an account on an art site or a patreon?
>>49601740I do have a deviantart account, however I never posted the portraits there, that was only for /tg/
>>49601712>>49601731Holeee shiieeeeeetThe man, the legend. How have you been mate? Read any of the work on 1d4chan at all? Would you like more suggestions for drawings?
>>49601747Thanks for the interest, been good I have read some of the work however its very detailed so I go on about it in parts but it never ceases to amaze me the longevity of this projectI do plan to update some of the portraits like the one I just posted because to be frank looking at some of them now makes me cringe sometimes
>>49601744Ironic how the Remembracer wishes to be forgotten.I implore you to share the details, I'm sure there must be some way.
>>49601731Long time indeed.We can always use your help if you're up for it. The Primarchs (at least the ones we currently have) have their gorgeous artwork, but the Marines can always do with a portrait or two like this handsome mothercuker.
>>49601773I'm on the fence since I have portraits that have my face on them you can understand why I don't link that account so easily
>>49601771Alexandri will never cease to inspire amazement and wonder in me, but if you want to update them, go ahead. Though, make sure they're Primarchs with Legions still, so you don't go updating Kranios or Nathanog now.
>>49601791Understandable.Although I must confess that, if you were to ever draw a more twisted and chaotic Aubrey, I'd be in your debt once again.
>>49601796Give him Cataphractii Armour. I really do think he'd look better in a suit of Cataphractii. Plus the whole 'Silver CATAPHRACTS' thing.
>>49601796oh Alexandri is one I wont touch, ones like aralex or johannes are some that are in need of updating
>>49601807Evil Aubrey with the Eight Pointed Star, the warped crown on his backpack and a more gaunt, emaciated figure would be rad.
>>49601807I remember that his demonic look kinda looked like this guy but with snakes instead of flames
>>49601858Yousonvabitch you remembered!Wait, remembracer...I walked into that one.
>>49601896He was also supposed to look like a reptilian with that helmet right yes?
>>49601858I know there's one portrait I'd really want you to do, thought it would be kind of an awkward one to do, all things considered. Mainly given the character in question was in part 'inspired' (read: ripped off) from a very popular ex-eroge series.
>>49601922>>49601928Oh god please
>>49601712Most honorable Drawfag. I have heard tell of your prowess in songs and legends handed from thread to thread.To put it plainly, I think there's some perception on both sides of the Heresies that the projects are somehow in competition. I don't think they are. Guys like Sauron/Zorg have been instrumental to both of them.Alexios is a bit grumpy, but it sounds to me like he's kinda like Lumey in that regard. They help.I think there's room for plenty of alt-universes on /tg/ and in all likelihood, collaboration could benefit both sides.But to actually cut to the chase, we really need a drawfag over in Asunder. Could we get you to do some Primarch portraits for it?
>>49601928Two actually, both Knight characters. First there's the aforementioned one, the King of Cattegirn and Lord of the Knights of Accolon.https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Arturia_Eld_(Hektor_Heresy)The clue is in the name. Though she has really short hair like Imperator Furiosa.As for the other, it's her spiritual equal/once-flames/surpasser, the Cyborg Sir Lancelot (He's even North African French).https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Lord_of_Bones
>>49601961Nigga no. Then i would have decide on what Saul looks like.
>>49601966Do the Lord of Bones. We might be removing Arturia.
>>49601961competition really? don't know what to say, honestly didn't think my drawings were that important, really makes me feel warm inside knowing how much they mean but back on track Asunder is really new to me, haven't checked it out and I won't flat out say yes because my own schedule is kinda busy but maybe next time you check on an asunder thread a new drawing might be waiting maybe it wont be tomorrow or this week or maybe it will be depends on the vagaries of the warp and my time
>>49601966Ooh, knight characters! I'll have to get them some rules, haven't tried writing up any vehicles yet (except Golgothos).
>>49602038As it happens there's provisional rules on their pages. Might be worth checking out.
>>49602046One of them has rules, and they're out of format, uninspired, and have no points cost. An update is needed! Also whatsherface doesn't have rules at all, so I'll fix that.
>>49602121She does, on the main Knight page, along with the White Knight, which is a series of famous Knights all piloting the same mount over 10,000 years. It's fragmentary thought, and I'd be more then happy for you to take over.https://1d4chan.org/wiki/House_Accolon#Rules
>>49602148Oh shit, son, there's two Excalibur's running around in the hektor heresy. Brennus has the other one. https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Brennus
>>49602034> honestly didn't think my drawings were that importanMan this drawing is the coolest shit I've ever seen
>>49602184Yeah, one just happens to be attached to a giant fucking robot.
>>49602184Brennus isn't meant to be King Arthur (who is also a girl).Though if it helps, Brennus does have a detachment of the most Celtic of the Knights of Accolon that serves with him for most of the Crusade.
So other than the excellent concept rewrite they got a while back, what's the deal with The Entomed? What's their role in the narrative? What major battles do they take part in? When do they all die out, if at all?
>>49602206He's supposed to have a giant collection of esoteric weaponry, so I through excalidur in there as one of the other options. He also has Kusanagi, Yanmato, and Fragarach. I'll just replace his Excalibur with Durandal or something.
>>49602249Fuck if I know, we're still organizing the principle Legions before we can really think about that.
>>49602288It's like two or three years in and you guys are still writing concepts for legions? Maybe you should stop cutting and rewriting stuff all the time.
>>49602316They keep kicking people because drama happens.
>>49602337Is this actually true?
>>49602357Yes. Currently one of the primarchs (camaxtli) and his legion is getting axed because drama.
>>49602370Well that guy was a fuckhead so that makes senseFor the record I don't think anyone in the IA threads thinks ill of the HH. We talk shit from time to time but I still really like the HH setting and I think i'm the most critical of it in our threads.Y'all are cool, keep writing cool shit.
>>49602391The whole hektor heresy just seems pointless to me, desu. It doesn't really do anything better than the actual canon lore does (except not being quite as much of a sausage fest). It seems like a "build your own primarch" thread that people just kind of kept going on, ignoring the diminishing returns.
>>49602452Desu?.. The fuck? I typed desu, not sure how my phone fucking got desu, never typed that before.
>>49602452And Imperium Asunder?
>>49602452>>49602475it's a wordfilter fampai
>>49602475Tbh god damn it. T b h as in to be honest.
>>49602484Barely looked at it.
>>49602484Well our plotline is rather significantly different from canon, in the Hektor Heresy things more or less happen the same, with different characters changing the details (in interesting ways, don't get me wrong). The traitors win the heresy and rule a daemonic Imperium from Terra while the loyalists lead 13 doomed Crusades out of their remnant empire in the east. Our Emperor is literally dead, killed by the Warmaster and (possibly) turned into a 6th warp deity, who opposes chaos in the heavens.It's a question of how different you want your alternate canons to really be.
>>49602391On Camatxli, we didn't kick him out. He left. Out of the blue, just left. After he left, we reviewed what he had written.https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Crimson_Teethhttps://1d4chan.org/wiki/CamaxtliWe all agreed it was wantingBut Golgothos, your comment is misleading. It is not a discussion of WHAT to write, it is a discussion of WHO will write. As many Anons are now taking on two or three, some even four Legions at a piece.
>>49602518>in the Hektor Heresy things more or less happen the same, with different characters changing the detailsKind of this. The events are more or less the same, but which batch of primarchs is more interesting, more memorable? In my mind, it's the canon ones, easily.
>>49602542Tell me the differences between Lionel, Sanguinus, and Corax. Furthermore, tell me about Vulkan's role in the plot, or Corax's.What's the inner thoughts of any of the Traitor Primarchs besides Magnus?How is Horus's fall satisfying at all? There isn't even a character there to fall.
>>49602542Honestly, I kind of agree. All three primarchs I made for IA are kind of boring to me, I stick around mostly for the setting.post-rewrite Golgothos is cooler than anything in canon though, if you ask me.>>49602549these are absurd questions though, most of them have satisfying answers if you read the books
>>49602558>if you read the booksHow are they absurd if they have answers
>>49602531>As many Anons are now taking on two or three, some even four Legions at a piece.You guys need more writefags? Now that I'm done with all the tabletop rules and have my creation template balanced I was looking for a new writing project anyway. >Camaxtli's author ran offThat's a shame, really. He always struck me as one of the more interesting Hektor Heresy prarchs, if a bit confused. Loved to have found a way to work his Aztec theme into his rules.
>>49602570>How are they absurd if they have answerswell because you were framing them as unanswerable rhetorical questions to illustrate the bad writing of the canon primarchs.
>>49602576We've been asking you to join for a little while. I think we've left several notes about joining the Skype Page.
>>49602549>Tell me the differences between Lionel, Sanguinus, and CoraxEasily. The lion is absolutely brilliant and inspired, yet secretive and deeply mistrusting. Totally loyal, but independent and quiet enough to earn some mistrust. Honorable, yet sometimes ruthless and savage. In many ways he stands in contrast to Conrad Curse, having many of the same themes of duality, but different outlooks on life. Sanguinius was the most beloved, not by the Emperor but by his brothers. There were none that hated him, and few that disliked him. He was one of the few who Horus and the Lion considered an equal, yet he was never arrogant. He loved his sons deeply, perhaps more so than any other primarch. So much so that their deaths marked him, and his them. Corax was a quiet, introspective primarch. Very independent, almost to a fault, finding little use for convention and fanfare if it didn't serve his ends. HCan't go too much into depth about him, haven't read any of his books yet. >Vulkan and Corax's role in the heresyBoth got their asses kicked of Istvaan. Vulkan got captured by Conrad Curse, Corax went to the emps to patch up his legion. >Inner thoughts of any traitor primarch besides MagnusPerterabo: bitter, resentful, sick of all his brothers including Horus, but hated the Emperor enough to cooperate with them. Wanted to build things, not always tear them down. He was an architect, an engineer, yet he was forced to constantly destroy things he found beautiful. >How is Horus's fall satisfying at allIt isn't. It's a pyyric victory for the imperium, and an unsatisfying loss for chaos, and it sets the tone for the rest of our beloved grimdark setting. Try again.
>>49602594Yeah, but I didn't want to write anything then and now I do, hence my asking.
>>49602576Do not lament that writer's passing. He stole ideas from others repeatedly without remorse. The Aztec theme was even just handed to him, along with everything else he wrote. And his one original thought, or just one of them, was to have his Primarch molested as a child.Do not mourn him. If you want to take his slot, by all means pitch a Legion.
>>49602674>And his one original thought, or just one of them, was to have his Primarch molested as a childPic related. >Pitch a legion.Man it's 3AM here, I ain't typing shit right now. I'll throw some more ideas together tomorrow, and this >>49592348 was me. I've also been writing up a legion based on sengoku jidai Japan, and have a half dozen concepts (mostly a loose theme and more substantial game rules) on my PC.
>>49602741Change the names and corrupted democracy Chaos marines could be seriously engaging. I'd love to workshop it with you in the thread. Really, I love the idea to bits!
>>49602758This >>49593625 and following are also me.
If you guys keep having threads I'm happy to stick around and occasionally give my 2cents and do some writefagging. Only reason I stopped keeping up is because I don't want to have to communicate through skype/email/whatever.
>>49602799Alright Golgy, fair enough. I'm about to head to bed but I wrote a character called Kalkas Tygian. If you could check him out and write up your thoughts here I'd be appreciative.
>>49602799Wait, you're Golgothos's writefag? Or did I misunderstand?
>>49602858He is indeed, and we're now in autos age
>>49602823You merely adopted the Tygian. I was born with him, moulded him. He never saw the light of the Heresy until I was a man gone, and by then I was blinded.
>>49601712I just squee'ed
alright, thread is archived and ready to go.