Your drones skitter through the air vents of the apartment building, peering in on the rather luxurious accommodations within as the human Dr. Litchman looks with concern at the news, rapidly flipping through channels as various news stations offer half-answers and canned explanations as fleets of Union ships continue to take flight from distant space ports along the horizon and hulking picket ships hover like massive chandeliers in the sky over the city as they slowly move climb into a low orbit.“We still have yet to receive any information regarding the deployment of PDF forces across the system, and a standing media blackout would prevent us from legally providing such information regardless, however we have received word from the BFI that all interstellar quantum comm networks have been ordered to initiate what they refereed to as an 'AAII' protocol, or 'anti-artificial intelligence intrusion', leading us to speculate that Union officials are responding to a potential widespread attack or threat of one from the machine intelligence kno-” The news channel flickers several times before cutting to static, and eventually is replaced with a solid blue screen and a monotone beep as Litchman turns to the sound of screaming outside. He quickly moves to the window and looks down to see several cars impacted together in a pile at an intersection as people gaze up at the sky as a growing sound of rolling thunder echoes across the city. He looks up himself, and quickly flees, sealing the window in a panic as dozens, hundreds of ships blink into the upper atmosphere of Gemini, their silhouettes filling the sky and their drives flashing like lightning over the city. Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!>Archives http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest>Twitter https://twitter.com/HiveQueenQuest>Various pasta http://pastebin.com/u/QuestDrone>FAQ ask.fm/QuestDrone>Discussion page http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest_talk:Hive_Queen_Quest
>>48523245DO THINGS FOR MOTHER!!
>>48523306use your inside voice for mother
This is a reminder to inform the commonwealth we have opened first diplomatic contact with the union.
>>48523245MOTHER SAYS HELLO!
>>48523245Oh please don't tell me we're dealing with the Union today...
>>48523324I also support this action.
>>48523324This! Our commonwealth buddies take primacy over the corrupt Union, got to remember that.
Ooh boy what a time to be awake.
>>48523334>>48523353>>48523360we should have movie night with the commonwealth.
>>48523391We could show off our haptic holograms!
>>48523245Wind whips through allies, sending dropped papers and trash whirling through the air as storm clouds quickly form around your emerging fleet as their blink drives disturb the local atmosphere, the sudden discharge of their drives sending lightning arcing between them and rolling through the sky. The clouds glow vibrantly in brilliant flashes of light as larger ships further up in altitude blink in, battlecruisers carving paths through the sky as their arrival casts harsh shadows across the surface below. Battleships emerge into existence, sending shock waves across the sky and punching holes in the growing storm kilometers in diameter where the rest of the fleet can be seen to still be arriving further up in low orbit as the storm clouds mix and swirl around your fleet. Lightning leaps from ship to ship, striking down along the skyline of New Prescott as sirens wail throughout the city.A new star appears in orbit, shining through the clouds like a lance, casting shadows of your ships along the surface as a rolling thunderclap drowns out the sounds of police and raid sirens across the city, and as the light quickly subsides the clouds part in a sudden shock wave that shatters windows and sets off car alarms across the streets bellow, and your Hive ship emerges from the upper layers of clouds, its spine reaching six kilometers over the city and sealing away what light there was remaining as lightning discharges across its vast, living hull.Your ships detect gnats. Insignificant vessels, various atmospheric or orbital fighters converging on your fleet and spiraling through the air among your ships as you cast your shadow over Gemini.
>>48523360I was thinking more from the angle of "the Commonwealth should be able to use this to their advantage, but we recommend they settle their conflict quickly before the Black Queen and Ceph show up."
>>48523447So much HAPPENING right now.
YESTIME FOR CHEEKY MOTHER
I was thinking of colonizing Eridani to try and get their tech and brownie points anybody else interested?
>>48523447"Back straight, elbows away from the table, and for god's sake that's the wrong spoon." A drone's claw slaps the small spoon out of Lee's hand as Elizabeth speaks, her hologram flickering in the seat across the table."How do you even know the difference?" Lee asks."I had to attend my share of official dinners and government functions in my day. It was detestable, but it tends to be the only way to get funding of any decent ammount." Elizabeth says. "Regardless, you don't need to know the difference. I know it, so the Hive knows it, and with your new connection, that means you know it. Stop focusing on trying to figure it out yourself and use the Hive's collective memory." She gets up from her seat and her image flickers as she moves through the table. "The human brain is very elastic, it can adjust quickly to new situations. In time you'll get used to it, but for now, think of it like a question posed to the Hive, as if searching something on the net, only mentally.""Alright..." Lee says as the room begins to rumble lightly for a moment. A speaker quickly moves to the table."We have arrived!" It chirps. Lee looks at the drone with concern."Did they shoot at us?""No, bad weather." You say. Lee only looks more concerned."How close did you blink us in?" He asks. Your speaker chitters softly."Close enough.">Open communications with the Union (write in)>Send an Ambassador drone in person via shuttle>Send Lee to the surface via shuttle>Other (write in)
QUICKLYPOST APPROPRIATE MUSIC FOR THIS MONUMENTAL OCCASIONhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7iRoTqUvcg&feature=youtu.be
>>48523658>Open communications with the UnionYou should very well know why we're here.
>>48523658>>Open communications with the Union (write in)For a long time the Hive has watched the Union from a distance, seeking to understand your society and your trustworthiness to the Hive. We have been bitterly disappointed. We now demand you deploy the senior diplomatic unit, the Alder to the hive for negotiations and recognition of the Hive's sovereignty, which you have violated time and time again.
>>48523658>Open communications with the Union (write in)"Hello humans. This is a diplomatic mission.">>48523683Let's not tip our hand completely. Maybe "your leaders should know very well why we are here." The actual civilians don't know shit.
>>48523658>"How close did you blink us in?" He asks. Your speaker chitters softly.>"Close enough."holy kek
>>48523658>Open communications with the Union (write in)"HELLO HUMANS, WE HAVE COME TO DIPLOMACY"
>>48523658>>Send an Ambassador drone in person via shuttleOh yes.Time to invite them to our parlor.
>>48523447>Your ships detect gnats. Insignificant vessels, various atmospheric or orbital fighters converging on your fleet and spiraling through the air among your ships as you cast your shadow over Gemini.muh dik
>>48523658>>Send an Ambassador drone in person via shuttle
>>48523658>>Open communications with the Union (write in)HELLO UNION HUMANS. WE MEAN YOU NO HARM AT THIS TIME. HOWEVER, MANY EVENTS HAVE HAPPENED RECENTLY THAT REQUIRE DISCUSSION. PLEASE SEND AN EMISSARY TO OUR SHIP WHO IS ABLE TO SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY ON THESE MATTERS.
>>48523711>Let's not tip our hand completely.I want to let the civilians know the Union leaders fucked up.
>>48523658>Open communications with the Union (write in)Lets tell them that the hive is most dissapointed to humans, but are willing to talk...also humans should sent speaker to us.
>>48523779Oh, yeah, that's great.
>>48523702>For a long time the Hive has watched the Union from a distance,Let's not.Also we should demand the representative of the planet humans call Talgo. Because that's where the Lee is native to!No particular other reason. Publicly.
>>48523658>>Open communications with the Union (write in)>>Send an Ambassador drone in person via shuttleBE NOT AFRAID. YOUR LEADERS SHOULD BE EXPECTING US FOR THEIR MISTAKES THAT HAVE ENDANGERED ALL LIVING BEINGS IN THIS GALAXY
>>48523702No no, how about.'The Union Queen will board for parley.'
Uh, just a note for later on, when conversation is underway. There is a way to sufficiently spook.There was a race native to the region of space you call the Expanse, who sought to delve into the untested waters of a field of physics they poorly understood--waters that the Ceph now swim in freely.They were exterminated by forces beyond their comprehension, and for millennia the last of them begged for the sweet release of death.You will no longer find their homeworld in the Expanse. It was annihilated in its entirety.Now, this is far more questionable if you want to add, because it admits to way too much knowledge about a hundred years ago, so we probably shouldn't: Humanity should count itself fortunate that they only lost their satellite.
>>48523658>Open Communications with the union>"The humans have brought attention to themselves. The attention of a the Great Enslaver. The humans will speak to the Hive, or be destroyed before they can be enslaved."
>>48523824No reason to act stupid anymore. We're supposed to be the ancient civilization that ruled these stars, let's act the part.
>>48523702Some variation of this would be nice. Although I'd personally add something about how the leadership has also been engaging in actions that should make them very aware of why we have decided to intervene now (but leave those "actions" unspecified in the broadcast).
>>48523801They already know it's us on G-426 anon, and that we've allied with the Unity. It's pretty damn obvious at this point.
>>48523824I like this one. Let's see if they put K-man in a dress.
>>48523897This is a good point.Time to put on our serious face now. The Union fucked up and it's time to let them know it.
>>48523915They don't know the extent of our alliance, just that we worked together to stop a cataclysm.
>>48523932There's no point in being self-righteous. Most of the government had no idea what was going on, and none of the civilians did.Hell, it's probably better we keep the civilians out of it anyway.
>>48523702>the AlderUhhh.Just be cautious here.We don't want to actually give Alder all the secret experimental info the Tories have been up to, because you know what happens when you give the opposition that ammo? They destroy their opposition.And unfortunately, unseating the Tories means leaving a power vacuum. And we won't get to pick what fills that vacuum. 99% chance it won't be Alder or a conventional Green.
>>48523801If we demand the rep from Taigo we can also say we have had "dealings" with that "human-speaker" before (true!) and let the population use their imagination as to what that means.
>>48523972The fact that we know each other well enough to perform a joint attack on a Union facility is more than enough to suggest that we have been exchanging at least topical information of the Union.
>>48523980Or that evangelical Talgo fuck that presided over Lee's funeral as a political move
>>48523977Let them all know, every last one. In fact, loudspeaker it over the city with the citadel. Even better, transmit it telepathically to the entire planet.
>>48523915They don't know how much we've been watching though. Only that we had a method of noticing something going wrong on Tenebris.And given the poorly understood nature of the physics they were working with, with the void shard artifact, it could be anything related to that as far as they know.
>>48523977>Not wanting to cause an uproar against Killinger and his fuckup cronies>Not wanting to ruin Killinger's chances of re-election.
>>48524000>entity is empowered by creatures knowing about it>tell everybody about itHow about no?
>>48523658>Open communications with the Union (write in)Via loudspeakers on shuttles as well as full-spectrum broadcast, if we can do that, so everyone on the street can hear."ATTENTION. ALL HUMAN ARMED FORCES STAND DOWN AT ONCE. HIVE WILL NOT FIRE UNLESS FIRED UPON. HUMAN LEADERSHIP REPRESENTATIVES WILL IMMEDIATELY BOARD HIVE SHIP FOR JUDGEMENT. YOUR COMPLIANCE IS MANDITORY."
>>48524015We aren't invaders. This is terrible.
>>48523977Knowledge of this thing is dangerous. Best keep that a secret.>>48523980Yeah, I agree. There's no reason to specifically request Alder especially at this early stage. Let's just ask them to send a rep that can talk about all the shit that's been going down (which will certainly be one of the council anyway because only they know about the super fuckup at Nowhere), and let them decide who to give us.
>>48524010>defeating one evil just to let a greater evil take his placeWe have BLACKMAIL on Killinger. If you destroy him you won't have leverage over him anymore!Plus, he's corrupt. And corrupt people will always make a deal under the table, and we are very under-tabley types. Like cockroaches.
>>48524014>>entity is empowered by creatures knowing about it>>>>
>>48523977>There's no point in being self-righteous.Where's the self righteous part? This is a purely a political move for leverage.>>48524057That anon is talking out of his ass.
>>48523711>"your leaders should know very well why we are here."I like this one
>>48524045No, I really want to destroy Killinger politically, his corruption just goes to far. He cannot be trusted even slightly, and if we just blackmail him by the end of the week he'll be doing whatever we told him not to in secret.
>>48524069>Where's the self righteous part?The part about blaming all of them for something most of them had no part in or knowledge of.Union people are no different from Commonwealth people. It's certain parts of the government we have a problem with. And the only reason we don't have a problem with the Commonwealth just like with the Union is their first contact with us had them already afraid of us.
>>48524085Why would the hive give a fuck about corruption? He's a tool. We have massive leverage over him. He can be trusted to work in his self interest.If you want to make him suffer then we can roll that into whatever we'll do without exposing him, there's no point in throwing the tool away while we're at it.
>>48524094>The part about blaming all of them for something most of them had no part in or knowledge of.Nobody implied that.
>>48524128When you barge into someone's home and start yelling at everyone, you are implying that.
>Ambassador coming through
>>48524148>time to put on our serious face>yelling at everyoneAnon, stop.
>>48524057>>48524069No he's not.>>47641474>To exist, you must hold them in your mind. That is the nature of our enemy.
>>48524057The Void Gods can't see you unless you see them first. Mere knowledge of them is dangerous, as illustrated by the Black Queen's corruption and the other queens falling under the scrutiny of the Void Gods. White Queen literally made the humans to be incapable of perceiving the Void Gods so that they could interact with the Void Shards without drawing their attention because she would not be able to develop the Psionic Cannon on her own, being a psionic being. White Queen waited 50 thousand years for humans to develop that damn cannon so she could take their research for herself. And now you want to tell the humans about them-who-stare-back-when-you-stare-into-the-depths?
Guy, guys.Guys listen.What if we-Guys, listen! What if we made a thinker, guys, except.What if we made a thinker, except it was a really big thinker? What if it was like, several times bigger than the hiveship, so big it could only survive in zero-g, and it was only made out of brain tissue and nothing else.What would happen, guys?
>>48524127>He can be trusted to work in his self interest.No he can't. Not at any level am I willing to place a single iota of trust in this waste of a human being. This is the same guy who single handedly started a war with the Commonwealth and successfully blamed them for initiating it. Bullshit just flows out of him like like water from a spring, he must be replaced.
>>48523897I don't know I like acting stupid it makes us hard to read and allows us to get serious when we need to to add impact or weight to our words when needed
>>48524085Corruption is a point in his favor. We are a foreigner, and therefore an outside corrupting force, from a human point of view.You can always trust a selfish man to act selfishly. A corrupt politician will always act in his own self interest, and we can expose him later as soon as he becomes a liability.But an honest man? The one most likely to take Killinger's place? You never know when someone's sincere. utterly selfless principles will make them do something incredibly...stupid.
>>48524184What like the Deep Rot Think Tank from DAtS?
>>48524184What would be the point?
>>48524190>No he can't.Yes he can. That's literally all he is. He's exactly the sort of person who will never go against his self interest, and if we put a big enough sword over his head, he's ours. Completely. Don't even need to implant him with a parasite, he's basically part of the hive if we want.
>>48524094>The part about blaming all of them for something most of them had no part in or knowledge of.This is politics dumbass.>Union people are no different from Commonwealth people. It's certain parts of the government we have a problem with. And the only reason we don't have a problem with the Commonwealth just like with the Union is their first contact with us had them already afraid of us.Your point? This politics. The only thing that matters is what we can use for leverage.>>48524148>That False Equivalency>>48524196Donald Trump does the same thing.Look at where it got him.
>>48524235What a pointless post. If you want to say something, then actually say it.
>>48524177Well she did help them she even had a large psychic relay thier to guide them
>>48524213That's retarded, we can't tell him anything without him at least trying to use it against us. And moreover, we can never trust him to do what he says he will do. If he swears on his mother's grave that his government will never touch the crystals again and he'll have anyone who tries strung up from the rafters, I can promise you in less than a month he will have secretly started a program to do just that. He will never just accept that an alien power has any power over him, and he will never stop trying to reverse that situation.
>>48524190What would you imagine him to do, specifically, that wouldn't be selfish?I mean, we can destroy him now, or we can destroy him later. Nothing wrong with putting it off to see if we can wring some use out of him first.A year from now we can upturn democracy as we know it, since by then odds are we'll be in the endgame. But now with captain grassroots rising as a poorly-understood wildcard is a terrible time to shake the boat.
>>48523658You watch as slender, building sized structures begin to tilt, fixing onto the Hive ship above and quickly warming as the anti-orbital batteries power themselves up as fleets of picket forces attempt to hold their formation amid your armada as the last of your smaller craft blink in along the outskirts of your swarm. Your direct your ship's antennae to the city below, and a crackling wall of static slowly forms into coherent speech as you fill every frequency with your broadcast. You find such forms of communication inconvenient, shouting your thoughts to the digital receivers below you which, with your fleet physically blocking their satellites, you realize, have no conflicting signal.Holoscreens flicker to life in store windows and living rooms. Radios crackle with static in the dashboards of parked cars and window sills, breaking into a cackling cacophony of synthesised chittering voices."The Hive has watched your Union from a distance for some time now. Learning your culture and ways, permitting violations of our space to further our observations." The voices say. "We are disappointed. Your rulers know why we are here.">Demand they send a diplomat to your ship>Demand they receive your diplomat and send your drones>Demand they receive your diplomat and send Lee with your drones>Other (write in)>>48523668Music? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8wnSmSW9nw
>>48524251Politics has never been about morals but rather making the other guy look bad. And we want the Union to look bad.
>>48524300>>Demand they send a diplomat to your ship (aLDER)Only way for us to show off our new gravity plating and display our technological superiority over them.
>>48524300>>Demand they receive your diplomat and send Lee with your drones
>>48524313What are you smoking? They aren't the "other guy". We're trying to open diplomatic contact with them.
>>48524300>>Demand they send a diplomat to your shipAND THEY SAID GRAV PLATING WAS USELESS
>>48524300>>Demand they receive your diplomat and send your drones
>>48524300>Demand they receive your diplomat and send Lee with your drones
>>48524300>Demand they send a diplomat to your shipI'd vote for asking for Killinger specifically. After all, we've already had a "meeting" with him previously. However, I'm fine if we just let the Union bosses decide who they want to send.Also, I love how QD phrased the demand over the radio. The writing in this quest has always been excellent.
>>48524268You know what the likely alternative to Killinger is, right? The one foreshadowed for threads and threads now?The one we can trust even less than Killinger, because he's a complete fucking wildcard and prime candidate for a sudden spiral into fanaticism that cannot be reasoned or compromised with?Yes, K-man will constantly try to worm his way out from under our claw. But that's better than someone who isn't under our claw to BEGIN with, and who we can't possibly control.Do you really think that other politician would ever be more pliable?>>48524300>>Demand they send a diplomat to your ship
>>48524300That's some spooky as fuck music.
>>48524332>They aren't the "other guy".They are. THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. While Killinger is a slimeball the entire republic is a breeding ground for bastards like him.
>>48524300>Demand they send a diplomat to your shipDon't send lee until they try to force on us a human diplomat, i want it to be a surprise.
>>48524379What benefit is there to us from making Union look bad?
>>48524300>>Demand they receive your diplomat and send Lee with your dronesHonestly, More than anything I just want lee to walk out of the shuttle with a shit-eating grin and go "The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."
>>48524379What the fuck is wrong with your head that you don't get?There is no other guy. It's just us and the Union. What exactly is making them look bad going to accomplish? There is no onlooker here, there is nobody to win the appearance of the moral high ground in the eyes of. This isn't politics of that sort. Who are you try to smear the Union in the eyes of? The Commonwealth who they're already at war with? Theseus? kek
>>48524335Well, we're within a planet's gravity well, so it won't even be noticeable.>>48524300>Demand they receive your diplomat and send Lee with your dronesMake reference to the part in Union law where this is allowed.
>>48524401Not yet anon, got to save that for later when killinger tries to fuck with us by installing one of his cronies as representative.
>>48524300>>Demand they send a diplomat to your ship
>>48524300>Demand they send a diplomat to your ship
>>48524392What benefit is there for Jews to cry Holocaust?What benefit is there for a black to cry racism?Because it gives them power.>>48524411You don't visit /pol/ often do you?
>>48524392Because they've been fucking with us literally from day 1?
>>48524449Because in all of those situations there are actually other people who can shift the power to the party they see favorably.There is nobody like that here.Making the Union look bad gains us nothing and only pisses them off a bit, which will make things harder for no reason.You don't think very well, do you.
Guys, if they send a diplomat to our ship, they will send some third-rate paper pusher!We have Lee so we can abuse their loophole. Don't let them take this from us.If we're gong to request they send a diplomat, then make damn sure they send some of their top politicians.
>>48524411And you cannot seperate the Union from it's rulers, which is Killinger and the security council. They are responsible for every transgression the Union has made against us, and so any problem with the Union as a whole is linked to them.
>>48524449We can make union look like uter morons, but we can't make them look like they did something bad to us. Fucking them up would give us no power over them and would make convincing them not to open more hell portals ten times as hard.
>>48524464That was just one small part of them, and they didn't know better anyway. We'll get back at him, there's no point in pissing off the rest of them for no reason.>>48524498And this is relevant to throwing a hissy fit and making the Union look bad, how exactly?
>>48524411And to be more specific.>What exactly is making them look bad going to accomplish?Power over them.>Who are you try to smear the Union in the eyes of?There are dozen of factions within the Union. I want to use the conflict between them to help us gain control over them.
>>48524490That's easy. If the guy we get is a patsy, we send him back, demand the REAL leaders by name, and if they continue to try and jerk us around, power our more visible weapons. All they'd get for trying is a public furious that they'd pull that shit in a situation like this.
>>48524544Ok, I am fine with this plan, then, since it looks like make them send a diplomat has the advantage in votes.
>>48524535>Power over them.There is none, not until you point it out.I'll help you:>we make union look bad>???>now we have power over themPlease fill in what ??? is. >There are dozen of factions within the Union. I want to use the conflict between them to help us gain control over them.That's a different thing. We'll get to Killinger, don't worry about that, but we aren't there right now. We're talking to them as a whole.
>>48524519Look, why don't we take a moment for a recap of our diplomatic relationship with both the Union and their leaders?>Crash land on the same world and help them survive>As thanks left a nuclear armed satellite over our planet with sufficient firepower to destroy entire super cities>Team doctor goes home and writes a thesis on how to enslave us and soliciting funds to do so>Send Lyle to capture our drones>Send a diplomatic mission to us as a cover for their full mod assassin who infiltrates hive>Pin blame for inevitable failure on Lee, the one human we actually kind of like>Get him arrested on trumped up charges, then throw him in black ops lab where he is certain to die>Gave full funding to Siener to kill and dissect our dronesOh, and>OPENED A FUCKING HELLMOUTH AND EXPOSED US TO THE CRYSTALSAnd this isn't even the stuff they've been trying to pull on the Commonwealth. Every single time we've sent an olive branch to the Union, every single time, they've tried to use it to exploit the Hive, getting mad at them is less of a hissy fit and more of an actual list of grievances with them and their bullshit.
>>48524490They won't send a paper pusher. We've showed up in the capital in force. We already know about probably their biggest secret (the Nowhere facility), and they certainly won't let a pencil pusher know about that. It's obvious (I hope) we're here to make some very serious deals and that sending a nobody would be a sure fire way to fuck it up.
>>48524535So to use an analogy your plan is to (Us being china and Union being America)Drop the entire Chinese airforce on in the middle of America uninvited and start yelling at everybody that Ohio is the worst slimeball you know of and expect all the other states to rally behind you?
>>48524490They're sending THEIR diplomat, not OUR diplomat. They aren't assigning us one.And they will almost assuredly send Neville Morgan, the Chief Ambassador, because they are terrified we will leak classified information from Tenebris.
>>48524574I'm not following your argument, but I appreciate your recap. It is very thorough, and I agree that we've got very good reasons to be upset at the Union.
I hope we kept/brought the casings of those satellite nukes from way back. If they try and deny that they put atomics in their observation posts as a matter of course, we can just have a drone plop the fucking things right onto the table.As a bonus, people are remarkably reasonable and cooperative when there's a strategic nuclear weapon in the room.
>>48524574>>Crash land on the same world and help them survive>As thanks left a nuclear armed satellite over our planet with sufficient firepower to destroy entire super cities>Team doctor goes home and writes a thesis on how to enslave us and soliciting funds to do so>Send Lyle to capture our drones>Send a diplomatic mission to us as a cover for their full mod assassin who infiltrates hiveNone of this was diplomatic. They thought they were dealing with primitives.Pretty much everyone would do the same. Including both us, the Commonwealth, and possibly even Theseus.>Pin blame for inevitable failure on Lee, the one human we actually kind of like>Get him arrested on trumped up charges, then throw him in black ops lab where he is certain to dieThis is a domestic thing, nothing to do with us directly. Again, nothing personal.>Gave full funding to Siener to kill and dissect our dronesSame as the first bit.>OPENED A FUCKING HELLMOUTH AND EXPOSED US TO THE CRYSTALSThis isn't diplomatic at all, they were just ignorant. You can't blame them for that, as we did very similar things when we were first experimenting with it. Remember when we lied to Theseus about touching the crystal, when it made a huge hole in the planet's surface? Yeah.>And this isn't even the stuff they've been trying to pull on the Commonwealth.Who gives a fuck. That's between themYou aren't thinking on a strategic level, anon, you're basically just holding grudges over the same things that anyone else would have done to us had they been in the spotlight at those times. It's pointless and gets us nothing. Worse than pointless, it sabotages us even.
>>48524574Yep, they've been fucking with us for a while. Although with regards to opening the fucking Hellmouth, we can privately tell the Union leadership they've royally fucked up in a way that could end humanity as a species and that we demand they let us put military forces and constructions on all planets in the expanse at once because we're the only way they're going to get out of this alive. We were hiding and they messed up our timetable and could doom us all with their stupidity, now they have to pay the price.
>>48524639We should bring the whole satellite
>>48524650i bet youre voting hillary too
>>48524665This is a time for space politics, not real-world politics
>>48524650We're going to need to establish claims on worlds that they claim for themselves, and we can say that we can forgive our grievances if they comply. That way they feel like they get a good deal.
>>48524661Nah, we left it in orbit and transmitting edited data.Speaking of which, we should give Theseus a quick ping and tell him to stop covering up our activity in the feed. I want them to double check the satellite feed and shit their pants at what they see.
>>48524650The diplomacy aspect doesn't matter so much. We're an alien species with an arguably totally alien sense of morality. We can pick and choose our grievances. The lack of appropriate seating could be the biggest diplomatic hurdle they need to overcome if we so choose. These grievances listed are things they would actually understand why we are mad and we could work with addressing. We don't need to invade or war the Union, but reminding them of how they have wronged us repeatedly makes our own actions (like the Hope and attacking that one Union facility) things they can't in good conscience hold against us.
>>48524639There's no point in "proving" things. There's nobody to prove it to. We know they did it. They know they did it. Nobody else is around to judge or pass sentences.
>>48524716This.We're not human, we're entirely alien to them. If they don't like it they can go fuck themselves, we'll take matters into our own hands.
>>48524711Seconding. Especially if we left the rest of our fleet at Leeland so they know this isn't even all of our forces.
>>48524704No, that's stupid. According to us those worlds are already ours, we don't need to "buy" them from them.
>>48524711I actually like this idea but it might reveal how close we are with Theseus
>>48524300"Send your speakers to our us. We await your shuttle." The voice say, and are quickly engulfed in static as your fleet slowly begins to climb above the clouds, slowly vanishing into the storm above as they climb into low orbit.Your ships slowly move out from their place blocking the orbiting satellites, and the various stations and channels come back one by one to disheveled looking news anchors and trembling views of your receding ships from curb side cameras as reporters ramble into their earpieces.You quickly watch as signals bounce back and forth, the entire planet igniting into a maelstrom of digital communication. Rumors, theories, and general panic spread like wildfire across the surface.The local picket forces attempt to surround your fleet, but are too few in number to encompass your formation. They split into clustered formations of ships, stating by along your swarm's periphery.A holoscreen creates something like a window, projecting the view of the surface as Lee looks down over Gemini."Well, I think you've certainly made quite the first impression. Do you want me to greet whoever they send?" He says.>Yes>No>Other
>>48524716I can agree that we can use it for a trade of sorts if they start getting pissy about the facility, but otherwise I still think pushing grudges is worse than pointless.
>>48524767>YesWith a contingent of intimidating warriors, of course.
>>48524753It won't technically reveal HOW we were faking the feeds. They already can infer they're faked now. Unity doing it is just the most likely theory.>>48524767>>NoLet our drone do it first. One thing at a time.Then when they try to assign our side a human diplomat of our own, surprise.
>>48524767>Of course. This is why you were adopted
>>48524767>>YesBut not alone, obviously, have a speaker with him at least.
>>48524719Hey, they might try and play it down. I was just putting it forward as a humorous response if they tried.Personally I'm in favor of broadcasting (part) of the meeting to the planetary population, to really drive home to Average Joe that their leadership fucked up, this is not an unwarranted act of agression, and that they should think hard about who to vote for next year.If we take the fuckheads out of power behind closed doors, they still have party support. We shame them in front of EVERYBODY, they're persona non grata. They cease to exist as political entities, and thus as threats.The last thing we'd want is for one or two of them to revamp their campaigns and get elected again.
>>48524767>>NoLee is our trump card so we shouldn't tip our hand just quite yet
>>48524841>Hey, they might try and play it down.Still no point. WE know they did it. THEY know they did it. There is no room for error here. Even if they did try to play it down, what would happen? Nothing.
>>48524767>No>OtherNot immediately. Let them sit down and start coming to grips with the situation, then bring Lee out to put them off balance again.
>>48524767>>Yes, but have a speaker with him.>>48524801I would have agreed if we had made contact in a less dramatic fashion. However, given our grand entrance they aren't in any position to make demands of us or insist upon a human representative. This is their first time dealing with an alien entity more powerful than themselves. We don't want to let them even think they're in a position to dictate rules to us about how we can represent ourselves.
>>48524767>NoBut keep him in an adjacent room in case they try to pull some "we can't negotiate with you unless we assign you a handler!" bullshit.
>>48524767>I don't know
>>48524767>NoNot right away >>48524801>>48524841Support for these.We need to leak part of meeting to population, showing us in a good light and revealing that lee is actually alive.
>>48524878That's a good point. Are they really going to start giving demands to completely unknown aliens with living ships that far outclasses their navy that are already pissed off with them?
>>48524878This exactly. They are in no position to barter the terms of this meeting. Lee goes with a Speaker and make it clear he's only there for their benefit
>>48524767>>48524878Actually, changing my vote to:>"No" We can still use Lee to throw them off balance if we want to (as other people have said), and I kind of want to meet the diplomatic representative when he's dealing with something completely alien first before he talks to another "human."
>>48524878>We don't want to let them even think they're in a position to dictate rules to us about how we can represent ourselves.It's a bit of a good-cop bad-cop kind of thing.We show them we are strong like bear and they are small like little baby. We tell them they are in no position to make demands, make our demands, and then, once they leave, we can show that we are willing to cooperate in a healthy and constructive way bya) playing by their rules (unlike their rulers who don't) by having a human represent usb) releasing those hostages from the Hope. We brought them along too, even though this isn't mentioned in this thread yetThe first part scares their leaders shitless, and the second makes us nice guys to the populace in general.
>>48524869Dude chill the fuck out.>There is no room for error hereOf course there's room for error. Politics invents new room for error whenever they like. There's a dozen ways they could try to explain it away in hopes of, for example, lessening their personal responsibility for the policy, shifting blame to the colonial group's initiative, trying to avoid just blandly acknowledging what amounts to a policy of institutionalized genocide while likely being recorded, or just raw, panicked denial when faced with someone claiming you fucked up.
>>48524767>>NoWe must make sure whoever they send isn't just some Security council mook, and not to spoil the dramatic reveal too early.
>>48524970There is also potential for c) Terraform poor old Eridani. The planet charities guilt trip citizens into giving up money for.
>>48524981>Union sends a party of Smiths
>>48524976>Politics invents new room for error whenever they like.They can't. They don't have any room to do so here. They can only make or accept demands. Nobody cares who's in the wrong, because the question of blame itself is meaningless for now, and it will be until we set up some sort of treaty.
>>48524997>Union gets their planet goddamn glassed
>>48524997Parties are good, right? People have fun at those, right?
>>48524997>"Oh Theseus, it looks the Union sent us a bunch of new subjects to research!
>>48525031this desu, >>48525010 is totally unimaginative
>>48524767QD, are we showing this to the commonwealth? Or at least having our diplomat ship broadcast footage?
>>48525042Oh no, they're still getting their planet glassed for that.
>>48525049I'm sure they will find out, you can't keep something this big quiet.
>>48525049Since the CW is still probably keeping us a secret from their people, it wouldn't really make an impact.
>>48524991Sure, that's great too. We just need to get them to a point where they feel we are being gracious and generous if we do that.>>48525059Yeah, but the idea was to get the Commonwealth to use this as an excuse to negotiate for peace instead of wasting the fleet power of both of them.
>>48525002>Nobody cares who's in the wrong, because the question of blame itself is meaningless for nowAre you literally autistic. And my that I mean more so than me.Because the question of blame is never, under any circumstances, EVER meaningless. Look at Turkey and the Armenian genocide. Look at the still ongoing WWII trials. Look at China and Argentina still being salty bitches about Taiwan and the Falklands.At a national level blame is CRITICAL and no affront has a statute of limitations, doubly so when firmly placing the blame on the Union leadership will destroy their backing with the public.
>>48525052No they're not :^)As butthurt as some anons like you may be, we all realize that only their government would need to be purged in that case.And maybe something special for Killinger. We implant him with a parasite and we can basically turn him into anything.
>>48525062>secret...They took publicity photos.
>>48525080>never meaningless>look at this situation where there totally are third parties who can judge and respond to the situation UNLIKE HEREI mean, you already admitted that you're autistic, but...
>>48525049Supporting.>>48525059Of course, but it's to help build trust with them, sort of like 'this is what we got up to with your worst enemies last night, don't worry we still like you much more'.
>>48525084No, we're killing Killinger if that happens. If it gets to the point at which we start openly killing Union agents/citizens there will be no need for the charade anymore.
>>48525080That would entail PUBLICLY blaming them, for the use of the court of the public opinion.But this runs into the issue that one regime falls, another rises to take its place.We can either destroy the current government, or lean on it to control it. We cannot do both. And the former may be disastrous.
>>48525134It wouldn't be a charade, we'd torture him for the catharsis of so many anons around here.
>>48525143>torture himNo, just extinguish him and be done with it. We have more important things to worry about.
>>48525141>But this runs into the issue that one regime falls, another rises to take its place.Then we need to set up an alternative then don't we?
>>48525141Destruction of the current regime it is then.
Did we bring an Immolator?
>>48525160But then we'll always carry around this butthurt.And you know, it's fair to say that the emotional landscape of the posters in the thread reflects the emotions of Mother. So it's really Mother who's carrying around that butthurt.We need to free Mother of the butthurt.
>>48525162Not really, so long as it is anyone other than Killinger or that guy from Talgo ISN'T part of a crystal worshiping cult, I don't care who gets in. They literally cannot be worse than who's currently in there. Ideally it would be greens and Alder, and I'd certainly be willing to invest a couple of threads to make that happen, but it doesn't have to be.
>>48525205You know perfectly well that at least 75% of the politicians on that level are all the same sort of shit as Killinger.
>>48525173I sure hope we did.
>>48525218>>48525205I think it's in character to believe that all forms of government should be top down, with a strong hand guiding the rest.
>>48525218>75% of all politicians in the Union are just as politically skilled and devious as KillingerLook at this anon. Look at him and laugh.
>>48525242I agree, but>anons>in character>especially for a fairly alien mindset
>>48525244On the same level? Yes, or they wouldn't be there.The others are less skilled but just as immoral, though the lower you go the % of decent ones would increase somewhat.
>>48525242That implies that we like the current strong guiding hand, and would rather not just decapitate the serpent so to speak.
>>48525273Oh of course, my problem with Killinger is not just that he's a complete scumbag, it's that he is very, very skilled at being a complete scumbag.
>>48525109For fuck's sake there is a third party. It's called the CITIZENS OF THE UNION.Our issue is with the ruling party, not the damn species. The idiots in charge of the Union are elected. If we turn the POPULATION of the Union against the RULERSHIP of the Union, we can come out of all this with the NEW leadership in our pocket. If we treat both the population and leadership as one entity, we leave this with EVERYONE in the Union hating us.
>>48525276Just because we don't like republics doesn't mean we like the guy(s) in charge. I doubt anyone here supports his rule.
>>48525285DONT FORGET HE "GOT RID" OF HIS CAT
>>48525299>For fuck's sake there is a third party. It's called the CITIZENS OF THE UNION.No they fucking aren't. They'll swallow whatever the media gives them, and what the media gives them is whatever the government farts at the media.
>>48525303I'm sorry anon i forgot, which thread was this in?
>>48525205And you will decide who gets to replace them fucking how?We don't get to choose, elections are too soon. The ignorant masses will, and we won't like what they decide.We have a choice between bad and worse, and we'd better cling to 'bad'.
Does anyone here know why Union industrial capabilities are so much better than ours?On one planet they can put out over a trillion nutrients while we're struggling with a to get ten million.1,000,000,000,000 trillion10,000,000 ten millionHow are they doing it?
Is it bad if I'm hoping things go south so we can go full intergalactic invaders on them?
>>48525362No, I'm hoping for the same thing.
>>48525362They wouldn't last more than a month.
>>48525141>That would entail PUBLICLY blaming themWhich we are, since the consensus so far has been to broadcast the meeting, though trimmed for sensitive information.>But this runs into the issue that one regime falls, another rises to take its place.That's not an issue, it's the primary goal. We're here to force a regime change, specifically to one that won't keep fucking everything up.>lean on the corrupt and subversive existing government to control itA recipe for failure. The degree of scrutiny we'd need to employ to ensure they aren't trying to advance their own agendas behind our backs would make annexing them the simpler option. Why constantly fuck with a broken system to get results when we could just tear the broken part out and replace it with something that actually functions.
>>48525327When they had the drones lyle "captured" in observation Killinger appeared and saw the drones weren't cooperating and he goes "I had an unruly cat once. You know how you fix them? You get rid of them" and ordered the dissection of the dronesVery simply and poorly put but that's the general idea
>>48525333We do have the ability to influence minds
>>48525333Holy shit anon this entire post is so wrong I don't even have an appropriate reaction image for it.We have no idea when the elections are or how long it would take to sway the swing voters (hint, not long).And it is a scientifically proven fact you cannot get worse than Killinger, and we already know of at least one viable candidate that would be significantly better than him.
>>48525333We don't have to follow the union laws and process of government in good faith. We have a lot of options to force our choice.>>48525343The sweat of the common man's brow and the hope of his children power the farms comrade.Balance
>>48524767"Not yet." Your drone says. He nods as he looks at the false window showing the city retreat into a mesh of lights sprawling across the planet below."Alright. I guess I'll come out with the Hope crew, or whenever you think is the best moment to knock them off balance I guess." He says and moves through one of the doors deeper into the Hive ship's labyrinthine halls.You detect a shuttle depart a distant location on the planet. The shuttle is escorted by a flight of small fighters into orbit, where it slows its approach, gradually moving its way towards your Hive ship. The fighters break off as the shuttle moves closer, drifting over the hull of your Hive ship like its own horizon as it approaches the towering spires of the ship's docking pylons. Slender armatures reach out and grip the shuttle as it hesitantly drifts into the embrace, and is pulled to the docking clamps.Within the Hive ship, the airlock door opens and a small group of humans in environmental suits drift out from within the shuttle. The first floats past the seal of the airlock door and quickly falls to the ground with a stifled curse. The others begin to reach out, grabbing the walls or each other as they pass the threshold of the door and quickly collapse to the fleshy floor."What in the hell?" Someone asks. "Is this gravity?""Or something like it. Magnetism maybe?""Status on the air?""Breathable, but no idea on toxicology. Nothing I can detect, at least, but then again, it's alien.""And what are the odds they'd have something we could catch?" One of the humans asks."Well, statistically speaking, we should be safe, but for all we know they could use anthrax for perfume.""Noted."Cont.
>>48525362We have a shitton of weapon systems we haven't been able to test so yes.
>>48525385>We're here to force a regime change, specifically to one that won't keep fucking everything up.>he thinks the next regime somehow won't be crazier and more fanatical!
>>48525362OH SWEET MOTHER YES, SPACE WAR NOW!
>>48525318We literally just hijacked every media device on the planet a moment ago, Vorgon style. We can shove a message down their throats just as well, and ours will poison the well against what Killinger would try and claim.
>>48525395>We have no idea when the elections areThey've been firmly established as 'soon' for a very, very long time in this quest. Killinger is running for re election against cultman as we speak.>>48525393Which is great, but that takes time to get stealth hives onto dozens of Union worlds and build them up enough to get that influence over the whole population. We may not be able to fast enough.
>>48525403>"What in the hell?" Someone asks. "Is this gravity?"For this very moment.
>>48525414You keep sprouting this meme, but you have yet to put up any sort of convincing argument for it. No single human character in this quest has been as actively antagonistic towards the hive and it's interests than Killinger and his cronies in the Security Council. No one else could possibly be worse than him, and you can't offer a single example otherwise.
>>48525403>"What in the hell?" Someone asks. "Is this gravity?"
>>48525403>The first floats past the seal of the airlock door and quickly falls to the ground with a stifled curse. The others begin to reach out, grabbing the walls or each other as they pass the threshold of the door and quickly collapse to the fleshy floor.>"What in the hell?" Someone asks. "Is this gravity?"Ha
>>48525403Wow, I wish I could say I am surprised, but I'm not."The Hive is an EXCELLENT host, and would not kill diplomats. Why do you continue to mistrust us?"
>>48525427Our opening message was basically "We're unhappy and your leaders know why." There's going to be a significant faction demanding answers. We can also prove that the things we're upset about really happened, and they are things that their citizens would be unhappy about too. The Smiths' existence, government-ordered attacks under cover of diplomatic missions, experiments on Union citizens (Lee, no less!), secret fuckery with portals that nearly summed a dimensional horror...
>>48525403>"Well, statistically speaking, we should be safe, but for all we know they could use anthrax for perfume."Funny thing, he's perfectly right, but he's forgetting the bigger danger with alien microbes and biological substances.Allergies.
>>48525414>implying we aren't going to effectively install the next regimeWhat's important isn't just our ability to bullshit the election results, but the public expectation of the result. If everybody hates the existing regime thanks to our little demonstration, then they're less likely to cry foul if a party with a Hive friendly ideology gets in.
>>48525481>Why do you continue to mistrust us?>bunch of dudes who literally never heard of us before>not until we jumped a massive fleet right into their atmospherehurr
>>48525489>secret fuckery with portals that nearly summed a dimensional horror...I think we should refer to this one as the "reason why we're here."
>>48525511They have heard of us before! The Hive was all over the news!
>>48525395>we already know of at least one viable candidate that would be significantly better than him.Do you mean the guy from the same human cult as the latest human who instantly bowed down and worshiped the crystals.The guy who's suspiciously and inexplicably popular, almost as if there might be a psionic influence over the population in his favor that we haven't investigated into the possibility of yet.
>>48525403The human figures slowly begin to make their way down the hallway. There are half a dozen, each sealed in their environment suits. You identify four as marines, each with a small, compact sub-machine gun slung across their back, likely in some quickly-made compromise as whoever sent these humans debated as to what would be considered expected and what could be insulting."Command, are you still reading us?" One says.>Block the communications to outside of the ship>Allow communications>Other>>48525343How are you coming up with those figures?
>>48525489I fully agree with all of this.>>48525519No, that's just the cherry on the top. The Union has been pissing in our coffee well before that happened.
>>48525489Exactly. We can easily leave Killinger's stooges with fewer legs to stand on than a Vietnam vet at a pogo stick convention. They're going to be grasping at straws only to find those straws are dunked in a super-sized cup of bug juice.
>>48525554>>Allow communicationsNo fucking point in this otherwise desu
>>48525546No, I meant Alder. We should start a covert hive on Talgo later to check that guy and his cult out. Can't be too careful.
>>48525554>>Allow communicationsLet them know what's happening. No point in keeping them in the dark.
>>48525554>>Block the communications to outside of the shipWe know how humans like secrecy, obviously, so we're respecting that!
>>48525554>Allow communicationsProvide color commentary over their own channels. Show of force and all.
>>48525554>>Allow communicationsWe have nothing to hide here. At least not right now. If we need to get into really secret communications or something it's a simple matter to cut comms if necessary. We'll hear useful things the Union may tell their underlings over "secure" channels.
>>48525554>Allow communicationsWe've established power. Now we need trust and the moral high ground.
>>48525554>Other talk to them instead "we here you you also have no need to fear if the hive wanted you dead you would be"
>>48525554>Allow communications>briefly comment along their channel that the Hive has taken steps to accommodate the use of their antiquated equipment
>>48525467>No one else could possibly be worse than himCrystal cultists. Which we as yet have no clear way of proving any given human ISN'T under their influence.
>>48525554>>Allow communicationsno real reason to block them
So stupid idea but could the priest guy running for government a void god cultist?
>>48525554>How are you coming up with those figures?Probably by taking the upkeep costs of humans and extrapolating.
>>48525554>>OtherCan we interfere with communications just enough to make things patchy and staticy? You know, for atmosphere.
>>48525510I am all for installing our puppet government.But let's make a popular alternative to Killinger that is firmly under our control, and THEN destroy him. We can't put the cart before the horse, right now we don't have something in place to fill the vacuum.
>>48525596>briefly comment along their channel that the Hive has taken steps to accommodate the use of their antiquated equipmentThis is a good thing to mention as well. "Including gravity, as you are poorly equipped for zero-gravity habitation."
>>48525624Yes, anon. Anyone could be a cultist. Maybe even Quest Drone is a cultist and we're all doomed.
>>48525554>How are you coming up with those figures?I am technically making a few assumptions but being able to be self sufficient implies being able to support 70 billion would imply they should be able to produce more than 2.1 trillion nutrients not counting what they export.
>>48525596>>48525597This sounds really fun. I'm changing my vote from merely allowing communications to keep functioning to >briefly comment over their channelIt's a nice show of force that their communications are as insecure as everything else is for them.
>>48525597Just no.Because this is much better. >>48525584
>>48525632Hah. And if they question it, just tell them;>"This ship was designed for diplomacy in mind.">a single ship that can cast an entire city in shadow>designed for diplomacy>their faces when
>>48525636QuestDrone is a time traveler sent to warn us of the crystal menace. >>36215887 >The Pan-european coalition, formed from the ashes of the European Union, which collapsed into economic turmoil after the United Kingdom left>Sun 16 Nov 2014 20:35:20
>>48525628This is reasonable. I mean, you'd expect the connection to get worse as you go farther into the GIANT ALIEN SHIP, right?
>New HQQ yay>Wow look at all the replies surely QD has gotten some good story posts in>Only a few QD posts>Life is suffering
>>48525636so.... is that a no
>>48525671If you have ruined the quest by exposing QD's true identity, I will never forgive you.
>>48525671PANIC EVERYONE, THE VOID IS WATCHING
>>48525671QD recieves his visions via vodkahttp://ask.fm/QuestDrone/answers/137123364645
>>48525666Nah man, they'll panic and switch channels or start using code, and then we eavesdrop on THAT anyway.
>>48525697The thread we formally introduced ourselves to the Union was never going to turn out any other way anon.
>>48525752No reason to make things any harder than they need to be. They're already shitting themselves.
>>48525768I realize that in retrospect. At least I still have a bus ride home, then I can just check the thread when I get on my computer. Or, you know. Mash the Update page button. Whichever.
>>48525775Nigga I don't want to stop until the hypervelocity stream of terrified shit jetting from their collective assholes launches them straight into the Void and punches a hole in some Ceph faggot's ship.
>>48525554"We read you." A voice says."The inside... has gravity.""Say again?""The interior of the ship. There's gravity. No spin, no centripetal force, and my mag boots don't detect any magnetized surface, but there's gravity. Feels about the same as Gemini." The man says, and he waves the marines to the door at the end of the hall. "Stay watchful, but keep back. We have no idea what taboos we may accidentally violate. They could consider a show of force to be akin to honesty, in which case they may consider a lack of armed guards an insult. Or they could be insulted if you so much as are seen with a weapon. Try to follow my lead and don't assume anything." He says to the marines. They quickly nod and take up positions along the sides of the door as the human at the lead walks towards it."I don't see any obvious outward method of operation. I can only assume it holds some internal sensor, either automatic or remote operated." He says as he slowly walks closer.>Speak over their radio channel and attempt to reassure them they are safe>Remain silent on their radio channel>Other (write in)>>48525654Ah.The new system implies that all planets feed their own population, which is largely dependant on the Development score. You can lay more drones and boost the population very quickly to bring up the dev score, while they largely need to wait for population to go up over time. Regardless, the end result is the same. The income of a planet is the net income, after it has fed its population and maintained its facilities. In the case of your planets, drone upkeep has been simplified so that the planet will lay drones as needed, meaning a planet with a high dev score will have millions or billions of drones to build, maintain, and defend the various installations and facilities.>>48525727Crystal Head, straight.
>>48525821>Remain silent on their radio channel
>>48525821>>Other (write in)Speak over the radio and inform them that a show of force such as armed guards is actually quite offensive to the hive in this particular context.
>>48525821>>Speak over their radio channel and attempt to reassure them they are safeQueen gonna be extra cheeky today
>>48525821>>Other (write in)Open the door for them.
>>48525821>Speak over their radio channel and attempt to reassure them they are safe"We are polite to diplomats. We'd never kill them, or use them as an excuse to send in the Smith.
>>48525821>>Speak over their radio channel and attempt to reassure them they are safe
>>48525821>Speak over their radio channel and attempt to reassure them they are safe"Hive has already established an understanding of Human cultural norms. The humans need not fear."
>>48525821>Crystal Head, straight.>CrystalQD NONOOOOOOOO
>>48525821>>48525840>Speak over the radio and inform them that a show of force such as armed guards is actually quite offensive to the hive in this particular context.This. But also add "We're very forgiving though, so you don't have to worry your cute little human heads about it."
>>48525856Hahaha +1This is great
>>48525821>>Speak over their radio channel and attempt to reassure them they are safeBe not afraid. The Hive has made thorough accommodations for humans. Please enter.>Open the door
>>48525821>>Remain silent on their radio channelIt's fun listening to them freak out.
>>48525856This is so fucking cheeky I love it +1
>>48525821>Remain silent on their radio channelDiplomatic negotiations will be much easier if we can hear what they are candidly discussing with each other. If they know for sure we can tap their comms then they will say less over those comms.
>>48525821>Remain silent on their radio channelI like listening in.
>>48525821>Speak over their radio channel and attempt to reassure them they are safeWe understand their culture - misunderstanding is not a significant concern. The only danger would be in seeking to harm the Hive.>>48525856Dohohoho! We can be nice to the diplomats AND fuck with Killinger!
>>48525895There's no way they don't expect that we are tapping it. I mean, come on.
>>48525856This is excellent.Looks like they have not realized who we are.
>>48525821>Remain silent on their radio channelAs amusing as being cheeky now would be I'd rather be able to listen in
>>48525909There is a difference between expectations and knowing. Also, I assume it is encrypted (because of COURSE it would be) and we are easily breaking said encryption.
>>48525920The decision between being cheeky and just letting them freak out is tough.
>>48525821>>48525856>Speak over their radio channel and attempt to reassure them they are safeYes, we should do this. We must be at maximum cheek for our introduction.
>>48525821>>Remain silent on their radio channelI enjoy the idea of listening in slightly more than being cheeky.
>>48525856>>48525821Sure, I like this. Maybe add something like "Like the Killinger did to us." to the end there.
>>48525821>>Remain silent on their radio channel
>>48525821>Speak over their radio channel and attempt to reassure them they are safeI don't care what we say exactly, just make it cheeky.
>>48525821I have to ask, where are our drones? At what point will they begin hearing the skittering of legs and distant chittering?
>>48525821>Speak over their radio channel and attempt to reassure them they are safe>>48525856This.
>>48525933Might be too on-the-nose. Directly accusing Killinger right off the bat will get fewer citizens on our side than having them demand answers from Killinger themselves.
>>48525821>Speak over their radio channel and attempt to reassure them they are safe
>>48525572>Alder>viableShe's highly likely to be hive- and xeno-friendly, but we'll have to make the Greens as a party much, much more popular than they currently are to make that politically viable reality. They're currently a fringe party on Gemini at least, for example, and their short lived popularity in Talgo depended on a guy who just stopped being a Green at all.Their main base is on a planet that isn't even a real democracy, their parliamentary rep is just an oligarchical corporate CEO, which...wait.>>39857704 >The Greens have Mentan at their base, and they'd be jumping at the chance to study unexplored systems,>>40617033> Mentan is up in the air. Most of its voters are registered Tory, but you know how they are. They just register to get funding, but when it comes down to it they usually vote Green.http://pastebin.com/0SEZcPP6>Now the position of CEO of the Behring Angstrom Corporation is determined by a local election, and the CEO is granted a seat in Parliament as recognition to the efforts of Mentan during the Colony wars and since. But most recently, QD said>>47984835> "Mentan doesn't have elections, and the Greens are a fringe on Gemini so I've never really been able to get involved."So how does Mentan elect their CEO if they don't have elections QD?
I will say, though I voted for the remain silent option, I'd love to use the cheeky line about not sending in murderous Smiths hidden in a diplomatic mission once they actually meet our people in person
>>48525821>>Remain silent on their radio channelWhat fun to eavesdrop.
>>48525974Yeah, either sooner or later that has to be brought up. It's too cheeky to pass up AND gives us great leverage.I'm voting for >Remain silent on their radio channelAnd then once we've established in-person contact, use the reassuring line with the Smith reference.
>>48525960>not a massive swarm of flies that literally clogs the entire room
>>48525856You realize this going over an exclusively military line right? And that the only people outside of the Sec. Council who are going to hear it are the marines themselves?
>>48525821>Remain silent on their radio channelI rather keep listening them in somewhat secret.
>>48525821Hey QD this might not be the right time but in DAtS they unlocked hardlight barriers as a shipmod while would be emergency bulkheads.Would that be possible?
>>48525992As a compromise, I like this.Taunt them while still preserving any advantage tapping their comms might give us.
>>48525999Marines aren't really high enough clearance to know about the tin men, are they.Also we still have to talk to Kent after this tonight, fugg
>>48525999We can live-rebroadcast the entire first encounter to Gemini if we want.That might be a good idea.
>>48525890>>48525898>>48525920>>48525931>>48525981>>48526000Wow anon, you haven't run out of ways to say the same thing yet?
>>48526027Sorry, but only one of those is me.
>>48526027Oh come on. I was only one of those people.
>>48526027I was only one of those people.
>>48526027I wasn't even one of those.
>>48526027I was only one out of many. For Mother!
>>48526016Good thinking, let's do this. This meeting will be a lot more pointless if we don't use it to air Killinger's dirty laundry in front of his entire powerbase.
>>48526027I'm sorry anon, but I made only one post
>>48526027You really don't understand the player base do you?
>>48526027I make it a point to not game with people like you.
>>48526027Only one of those was me.
One of those was me, sorry to burst your bubble if you were excited to catch a samefag
>>48526027Sorry, but I only made the second post out of those.
>>48526027this is honestly why I wish qd did more surveys like that slow typing guy does.
>>48526045>>48526051>>48526062>>48526075>>48526086>>48526094>>48526101Wait a minute there are seven of us now, not six? Who underwent mitosis?
>>48526027Only one of those posts is mine.
>>48526027Sorry, but only one of those is me
>>48526027I made only one of those.We are hivemind
>>48526120I think someone thought they were included when they weren't?
>>48526027Try again, I only voted once.
Okay, this is >>48526139 and >>48526045wonder if someone IS samefagging...
>>48526120And now there's four more after youlolSave us from madness QD, end the madness with your glorious updates
>>48526156Well they sure are now.
>>48526143NO I'M SPARTACUS
>>48526156>>48526139>>48526120I was actually on my phone and didn't think it sent, So I did it again from the computer. My bad. I'm not feeling well personally but I don't want to miss QD.
Pretty sure it's less samefagging and more along the lines of bored drones waiting eagerly for QD posts
>>48526206Well there is alot of hype, We finally got to show ourselves to the union, Fucking assholes.>>48526208Uh... N..no.
>>48526208The stoned German with the sexy satyr art.
The advantages of not speaking:-we get to keep listening to their "secret communications"-they're more likely to entrust sensitive communications to hackable networks.Advantages of speaking.-A huge power play. We're basically saying we can crack your encryption easily and we don't even care that you know because it means nothing to us.-Maximum cheek.I already voted, but I voted for us to speak over the line because it is in keeping with the image we want to present - that of an overwhelmingly powerful force that is entirely beyond their ability to easily combat. It's true we'd lose the chance to intercept online communications, but in this case I think playing up the fear and awe factor is more significant than what may be longer term utility.There are strong arguments on both sides of this, however.
>>48525821As the humans examine the door, their radios crackle suddenly, causing them to jerk their heads to the side."We wish to speak with human speakers. We would not harm them, or use them to send the Smith." You say."What the hell was that?" One of the marines shouts in his helmet. The leader looks back at him."That would be our hosts. Clearly they are very adept at radiology, as their broadcast earlier would suggest.""Damnit, adjust encryption frequencies-""No, we're here to talk, and that's what we will do." The human says."Excellent!" You reply as the door flexes open, revealing your diplomat drone standing tall over the table set in the center of the rather ornately decorated chamber. Several chitinous seats are placed around the table as the drone steps over it with a single stride."This is the speaker for the Hive." Your drone says. The human walks into the chamber and removes his helmet, revealing a dark skinned man with greying white hair."I am Neville Morgan, secretary of state for the Union. I suppose I am the speaker for the Union." He says. "And yes. I believe I know why you are here. As you said.">Speak (write in)>Make demands (write in)>Other>>48525967>So how does Mentan elect their CEO if they don't have elections QD?More or less the same way a school gets a Dean. The schools of Mentan own the planet as corporate property, and that corporation is internally structured similar to a university, with all of its leaders and administrators being technocrats that used to be or are professors.>>48525792It's alright, it's friday. I can always make a second thread.It's alright guys, we're all the hivemind here.
>>48526246Why not have our cake and eat it too? Use their communication channels to tell them goodbye after the meeting is over.
>>48526246Less for listening in actually they'll be doing what the Commonwealth did mostly
NUKE THE WHALESGAS THE SQUIDSTAB THE MONKEYSTRUST NOTHINGTHE VOID IS WATCHING
>>48526261>It's alright, it's friday. I can always make a second thread.EXCITEI LOVE DUAL THREAD NIGHTS
>>48526246hmmm We should work with thesus to create some better com interception tools then, unless we can already pretty much pick up all of their communications as is, I don't remember if we could do that or not.
>>48526261>>Make demands (write in)We must discuss matters of the recent disaster. You do not wish your warriors to hear this. You should dismiss them. We understand humans enjoy secrecy and 'clearance'.
>>48526261>SpeakTHAT CLUSTERFUCK AT NOWHERE>Make demands Hand over all void shards
>>48526261>>Speak (write in)"You have much to account for. Your Union's unabashed greed for knowledge that was not meant for it has set forth events that could destroy the material universe as we know it."
>>48526261>Speak (write in)>Make demands (write in)>OtherFuck i knew i was forgetting something. Okay boys pack it up, lets go back to the home world and think about what we want to say and what demands we want to make
>>48526261...So, who are you, sixth guy, who isn't a marine and isn't Neville?And what does the scouter say about their power level? I mean the moderate relay say about their surface emotions.
>>48526305>Hand over all void shardsAnd all Skyl artifacts. And all Skyl/Hive ruins.
>>48526261>You have caused a great many problems for the stars and also great many dead Union, We request you accept the punishment of these actions or abide by ones we lay out.>>48526308>Throws them back into the shuttle>Sends them home>We leave>Come back tommorrow with mask's on our ships>WE HAVE MET SEEN YOU BEFORE.
>>48526261>Speak (write in)"What the fuck were you all thinking."
>>48526261Oh wow they actually sent Morgan. I'm impressed.Tell them we wish to establish diplomatic contact for purposes of trade and further cooperation, as well as a border policy.Invoke the protocol to have Lee be our representative if he agrees.
>>48526261>>Speak (write in)"Did you enjoy meeting the beings the Ceph worship as gods? Were it not for our intervention you could have been extinguished like the Skyl nearly were when they cast off their master's yoke."
>>48526261We need to talk over a few things. The most important being: Don't touch void shards again. You almost killed all of us by doing that. I realize you were ignorant, but it was still close, so please, hand over all of them that you find and we'll dismantle them for you.The second thing is, you are encroaching on our space. We've kept ourselves secret until now, but now that we are revealed we need to draw up some borders.
>>48526261Well, the leaders back planetside are probably shitting themselves now that they know they sent an assassin at something/someone of ours.Nellie here is probably thinking "Aw, fuck..." too, since he seems to have known what that meant.
>>48526335Meh i back it.
>>48526261You have obtained fragments of void cutters. You have failed in your duties to contain them. Like radiation to more primitive races, you should submit them to us for permanent containment.
>>48526344>Tell them we wish to establish diplomatic contact for purposes of trade and further cooperation, as well as a border policy.Uh, no.Todays visit is about their colossal fuckup and the steps THEY'RE going to take to atone.
>>48526261Changing my vote here. >>48526332 too this >>48526335
>>48526335I vote against this because it's dumb. They were thinking the same thing we were thinking when we almost did the same thing.Instead acknowledge that they didn't know better.
>>48526344Dafuck? Naw, son, we're here to tear them a new one about how they've been giant dumbfucks and what they (and we) are gonna do about it.
>>48526261>Speak Neville Morgan your people stand accused of attempting galactic genocide may the hive assume this willingness to talk as a plea of innocence
>>48526391If we maintain initial outrage, they will see a need to defuse the situation, which keeps the pressure on to cave to our demands.We need to make it sound like we want a mile so that they'll give us an inch and be thankful that was all.
>>48526261I support >>48526344Keep our tone neutral, non-hostile, and business like. A fucking Morgan is going to appreciate that I think. None of that vindictive nonsense.
>>48526261>Speak>The Union has enviously sought artifacts that do not belong to them and have conducted experiments that put this galaxy at risk. This problem has been fixed, and it will not be allowed to occur again. The Humans will turn over all precursor artifacts they have found and cease their meddling into things they do not understand.>Humans wasting their life-years away in Hive space building walls will cease. All humans will leave Hive space [insert systems here]. Further intrusions will no longer be allowed.
>>48526391No, bro. I understand where you are coming from here, but no.See, we are the immensely powerful aliens. We are ancient beyond knowing and the stars are our playground. We were old when the universe was young and they blah blah blah. You see where I am going with this?They fucked up. We obviously knew better! We never did anything like that at any point! Nope! Nope, nope, nope! Omniscient superpowerful bug people, that's us!
>>48526261>>Speak (write in)You fucked up at nowhere you really really tucked up.>>Make demands (write in)Demand the two systems at the southern edge of the expanse OM something and the adjacent system
>>48526261The sixth man is clearly a Smith. Suspicious. What's his deal.
>>48526261"Some things must be seen to see, must be attacked to be attacked. Congratulations on seeing the beings that the Ceph worship as gods, for they see you know. And only your abused child's diligence at protecting you prevented your utter annihilation."
>>48526391No, they must be made aware of the gravity of their mistake
>>48526261Backing>>48526344>>48526365>>48526375I don't want us to be hostile either.
>>48526261>Speak (write in)That foolish experiment you have conducted has put into play forces you cannot imagine. Even now they are watching, gathering, preparing to assault against us. Unfortunately, your actions have greatly accelerated our timetable. This force, that we are combating and you have unleashed, has destroyed empires on a galactic scale. We alone possess the tools to defeat or stall it, but we need to expand rapidly to do so. We request the immediate sharing of all human worlds currently in the expanse. Human settlements will remain untouched, but we shall develop our own military bases. We will defend against any hostile incursions by any forces. If you do not allow us to gather resources from those worlds, we will take them by force. Our thinkers predict with 98.7% certainty you will be attacked in force within the month by slaves of the void you awoke. You can fight them with us, or weakened by the forces you will lose against us. The choice is yours.
>>48526428We are going to demand ALL of the Expanse, the ancestral homes of our friends who were sent to extinction by their hubris.Since humans have proven irresponsible caretakers of their legacy.They can negotiate us downwards from there, if we want to only take two. But start bargaining high.
>>48526440This is a good one. But importantly, make sure this is not broadcast publicly.Maybe even make sure he know of what happened at Nowhere before we get down to it.
>>48526391Dude. Our first test was just a little poke, immediately followed by locking that shit up.They, after numerous tests by several teams, based on research they knew resulted in the destruction of the Moon, elected to jam an artifact and almost a dozen black holes together to see what would happen.This is the definitive "Oh shit nigger" moment.
>>48526427This. For fucks sakes people, stop trying to let them weasel out of this.
>>48526261I approve of this >>48526440
>>48526447That doesn't go against what I said.In fact, you're supporting me. Getting mad over mistakes made in ignorance is dumb and pointless. We tell them what they almost did, I think that'll speak for itself far more than some bugs getting pissy.
>>48526440Backing this. Some backhanded "congratulations" are always fun.
>>48526308Haha, this. Let's be honest, we really don't have any reason to be here other than to reveal our existence to the Union.
I should remind everyone who wants to tell them about the void gods that we really should ask the soldiers to leave because them just hearing this is an actual problem.
>>48526498Nah, they're probably like colonels and shit. It'll be fine anon
>>48526480>Getting mad over mistakes made in ignorance is dumb and pointlessNo, it's motivational.This is stupid. It's like not spraying a cat for misbehaving because it doesn't know any better. The more motivation they have to correct themselves the better. We aren't glassing their planets over it, they can handle a little scolding.
>>48526489i wasn't actually voting, just making a joke.
>>48526498There's no problem with this, the higher ups will issue a gag order.
>>48526514Except a cat doesn't get it when you tell it it almost tripped a bomb. A person does.
>>48526261>Make demands (write in)You will hand over all void artifacts. You will do whatever we ask in containing your giant mistake. If you decline, we will bring in actual warships rather than this small diplomatic envoy and do it ourselves... then take the cost out of your race, as we see fit.You have erred, and involved yourselves with things far beyond your grasp or imagination. This is the sole chance at amends we will offer. We suggest you take it.
So reparations for attacking and placing WMDs above a "Lost" hive colony
>>48526440>>48526261I like this. Referring to Theseus as an abused child is a nice touch.
>>48526512Marines are definitely not cleared to even know about Smiths. We should hardly let them in on extradimensional entities.Dismiss your warriors, Neville.
>>48526261>make demandsThe humans cannot be trusted with the Void artifacts.They are to surrender them to the hive.
>>48526440Supporting this (although I'd prefer to be a bit more vague about the ceph).>>48526452Also backing this. There's no reason we can't have the expanse while still making it politically possible for humans to accept. Shared worlds (especially when the worlds are undeveloped) would let us expand very quickly in our own sections and get humans used to the hive.
>>48526534Except we potentially want more than just 'don't trip a bomb again'. Anger motivates them to appease us in other ways than just the most dangerous things.
>>48526440FUCK NO! If you tell a child not to do something, the first thing they will try to do is exactly that. If we tell the Union about them in such mysterious ways they will not rest until they have discovered as much as they can about them.
>>48526605m8 this is just the opening stuff, we'll be negotiation for more shit later
>>48526609Except if this child disobeys we can brutally slaughter them and they know it.
Have to admit, I really really really want to know what that secret council was thinking when we showed and were like, 'y'all get the fuck up here. Y'all know what you did.' What do you think?
"Have you ever wondered WHERE the Skyl went? Why there are only ruins? Their homeworld does not exist anymore. Not in the sense of " it is a wasteland" but in the sense that "the planet is fuckinh gone from this universe."
>>48526609We can also add, "If you so much as think about doing this again we will end all independent human government. We mean that literally, we know you've been studying how psionics work. So seriously, don't even think about starting this project or anything involving this tech again."
>>48526609We're not literally dealing with a child here. It's a human empire. We can threaten war if their experiments continue.
>>48526609Yeah, also. Let's not warn them beyond "shit's dangerous yo."There is a reason Mom did not get more specific than that.>"Knowledge is power, this is true, but it brings with it a great risk. Some things must be seen in order to see. To attack, they must be attacked. To exist, you must hold them in your mind. That is the nature of our enemy. That is what she understood, and she knew that telling us would only place us in greater danger. She could only look on as we ignored her, knowing we were lost the moment we made our first move. That, I realize now, is why she left us as our weapon grew closer to completion."> That is what she understood, and she knew that telling us would only place us in greater danger. > she knew that telling us would only place us in greater danger.
>>48526630Yes. Duh. It is setting the tone for how much they owe us, which we can leverage later on in the convo to cash in as concessions.There is value in being the angry one.
>>48526658To be fair, it's understandable why some folks have the mindset of 'treat them like children'.
>>48526663Mom was wise, but from the sounds of it quite a bitch.
You guys....In negotiations where you know the other side but they don't know about you, you start HIGH. Then you lower it a bit... and they thank you for being so merciful.We want ALL the void artifacts, we want them completely out of areas we are interested in, and we want to annex them.Oh, fine, you got us humans! We will only make you a vassal state instead of annexing you! You sure negotiated with us!
>>48526696You gotta be a secretive bitch with an enemy like this.
>>48526696I think we've agreed that she was relatively autistic. Not literally, just...practically.
>>48526713Most people here would make awful leaders and politicians.
>>48526696She hated the Skyl for being a slave race. Of course she's a bitch.
>>48526682We have other things to be angry about, not the ones where they know perfectly well they didn't know better and will likely feel that they're being treated unfairly about.
>>48526440>>48526261Support. Maybe more warnings like >>48526663 wants>>48526663They've been seen by the void thingy already though, so hiding isn't exactly an option for them anymore. More importantly, it isn't an option for US anymore, and if placing them in greater danger helps the Hive, whoops.
>>48526713I think most agree with you.
>>48526440Noooo. No specifics. They saw some shit.Let them know it is even more dangerous than it appeared, and that's IT.I guess the Theseus line is okay.
>>48526736She never hated anyone. She knew they were a disaster waiting to happen.Oh look, disaster happened! They went extinct and the other queens went with them.Who could have foreseen this.
>>48526748>more warnings like >>48526663 wantsThat post warns to have fewer, VAGUER warnings, not more of them.
>>48526748I have no problems throwing them into the meatgrinder if it helps us, but first we need to get them under control. They can be told at any time, then sent off to die.Rather harder to un-say something.
>>48526737More anger for the anger pile is only going to help keep the pressure high.We want all the pressure we can get. And ideally, do like >>48526713 . Ask for a mile, get an inch. Start out with as high anger about as many things as possible, then dial it back as we get what we actually want out of this.
>>48526713Yes, I tend to agree. Excellent groundwork for the negotiations.
Did the humans even notice us mentioning the Smith?
>>48526953Leadership definitely did.
>>48526933it might be cheeky if at one point we mentioned the wisdom of the Commonwealth's 'member state' system of taxation, since they obviously need a strong claw to protect them.
>>48526261"What was the human thought process involved in your disastrous mistakes?" Your speaker chirps. Morgan looks up at your drone before turning to the guards behind him."Mute your helmets." He says. The marines looks at each other momentarily before clicking contacts on the sides of their helmets. The other human at Morgan's side reaches for his as Morgan stops him."Not you." He says quickly and then turns back to your drone."I have no authority over the policies of our science or military, and all too often I am filled in on the details of some of the more spectacular events after the fact. All I can say is-""Nothing!" Your speaker chirps. "Humans thought nothing! Ignorant of danger and consequence with heads devoid of neural activity. Human stumbling in these matters has brought danger upon us all! Only the vigilance of your abandoned child prevented your annihilation, and the Hive's own assistance has had great consequences!""Our child? I don't... you mean the machine?" Morgan asks. "I was informed of the events shortly after the marine transport entered warp, and my first reaction was actually similar to yours. I assure you, we have an investigation ongoing to discover just how this happened." Morgan says. He squints ever so slightly at your drone. "And how, exactly, you were able to detect it." Your speaker chitters, sending the man at Morgan's side shrinking away in fright as Morgan stands inches away from your drone's gnashing mandibles as it unfolds its legs and drops into a quadrupedal stance."Ignorant humans do not know the danger of your experiments! Bumbling like children!""I agree." Morgan says. "So help us to understand." Your speaker chitters again, clacking its mandibles."Humans wish to make things worse!">Make demands of humans (write in)>Offer a deal to them (write in)>Other
>>48526981>>Make demands of humans (write in)All of their Skyl artifacts, and everything they pulled from our territory (the expanse). Further misuse of said artifacts will mean war.
>>48526981>>Make demands of humans (write in)The void shards. Hand them over. All of them.
>>48526981>>Make demands of humans (write in)Understanding can only lead to further danger. The dangerous fragments of void cutters must be contained properly. Humans are too many. You are billions. Any one of you might act foolishly even when others are wise....Also, identify yourself, unmuted cowardly human.
>>48526981>>48527022Meant Ceph artifacts as well as Skyl here. Maybe we could throw in a line about trying to understand will only make things many magnitudes worse.
>>48526981>other>Humans want to help? Help how? Testing on us or killing us because we are different? Touching thing's that can doom all!? No, Humans need to avoid for once and only after it is gone for good will they know, if they do not stop acting like fools, they will doom all! Attacks are to come from what is awaken, We will help but we require the Skyl Artifacts and worlds within the expanse and a few more back, along with rights to set up small bases to protect worlds for the coming attack. If not given, enemy you show us! or something like this, worded better.
>>48526981>>Make demands of humans (write in)Obviously they need to hand over every goddamn little thing they know about black crystals as soon as possible. Or at least settle for uttermost supervision on all matters relating to crystals. Ducking crystals. Also leave the machine alone already.
>>48526981Tell them this much: The crystals aren't simple objects. They are an intelligent enemy, either an enemy in and of themselves or an aperture through which an enemy can attack us.
>>48527033>>48527022These, as well as withdrawal from the expanse in general. >>48527055So...basically that.
>>48527054This. >>48526981No, no helping to understand, all research and shards must be isolated.
>>48526981>Make demands of humansVoid shards and skyl artifacts for starters.And also request they stop trying to provoke/murder newly 'discovered' species.
>>48526981Credit to him not flinching.>"You will surrender your precursor artifacts, your 'void shards', for us to contain. You are not biologically CAPABLE of understanding them in depth. Attempting such will lead to your death by forces not our own. As will attempting to understand further. This is unavoidable, no matter your technology. You think it a matter of science, when it is a matter of existence."
>>48526981>Make demands of humans (write in)They don't get to understand, not yet.We take the voidball and go home. They pull back and give us certain territories... we will tell them it will act as a buffer zone between them and the annihilation of their race by unspeakable things they cannot comprehend. They will send soldiers and war materiel to us when we request, and in turn we will overlook how they nearly wiped out THE ENTIRE GALAXY.Also, a public apology. We want you to say you are sorry.
>>48526981>Make demands of humans>The Humans will turn over all precursor artifacts they have found and cease their meddling into things they do not understand.>All humans will leave Hive space [insert systems here]. Further intrusions will no longer be allowed.
>>48526981"Your top researcher on this phenomenon became insane and assisted your enemy as a result of his quest for knowledge. This is not an isolated phenomenon, and will happen again should you continue down your path. I will leave it to your imagination how that can effect a hive mind if the proper precautions are not taken."
>>48526981>OtherWe need to tell them the basics of why giving attention to the void gods is bad or they won't stop probing. They're humans.The thing they nearly let into the galaxy must be seen to see. It wiped out the Skyl. It will wipe out everything in the galaxy if they do not stop.And presenting an existential threat to the Hive is cause for war.
>>48526981>>48527055This and mention we want all the survivors of the Moon base they rescued after the Commonwealths Psionic Cannon broke Luna
>>48526981>"The Skyl wished to understand! Have the humans seen the Skyl? Have the humans seen the rocks where they once had a planet? The Ceph wished to understand. Do the humans consider their slavery freedom? Have the humans seen the Betrayer? She wished to understand, and now she intends to destroy you, and turn your resources against the Hive! The humans are not smart enough to understand. They should enjoy their ignorance while it lasts.">"The humans have cost the Hive dearly."
>>48526981"I cannot help you understand, to know of them is to invite them into your mind, to see them is to have them see you, the only thing you can know is that ignorance grants safety.">Make demands of humans (write in)Void crystals.Skyl artifacts.Expance worlds.
Guys, they are not going to just hand them over because we yell at them loudly. Would YOU vote yes if some strange aliens came to the hive demanding the stuff? No, you wouldn't.We need to give at least some framework for why those things are so dangerous. Tell them they're hostile. The objects themselves.
>>48526981>So help us to understandThe great blessing of the humans is that they are incapable of understanding. Some things must be known in order to know. Seen in order to see. Knowledge is power, yes, but some knowledge is dangerous. The Skyl knew too much. The other hives knew too much. The great betrayer knew too much and was corrupted by Them. We demand all the Skyl and Hive artifacts. You are not meant to handle them.
>>48527119Fair enough. I would like this explanation added to the list of demands.
>>48527128>>48527137>>48527094These aren't bad.
>>48527055Some of this is too many specifics in the warning.> We will help but we require the Skyl Artifacts and worlds within the expanse and a few more back, along with rights to set up small bases to protect worlds for the coming attack. If not given, enemy you show us! That's okay though. We do need to build psionic towers in as many star systems as possible... we can call them observation towers or something.
Also I noticed he's wondering how we knew about it. What do we say to that accusation?
>>48527119I quite like that really.
>>48527151>Would YOU vote yes if some strange aliens came to the hive demanding the stuff?If said strange aliens had a single 'diplomatic' fleet larger than your standing navy? And is willing to demand things rather than simply eliminate us all? Yes.
>>48526981>>Make demands of humans (write in)Who is the mute human? He is not speaker and not soldier, why did you bring him?
>>48527188Just say it's forbidden knowledge like that whole field of physics, we mustn't explain shit.
>>48527207Gonna request to tack this on.Also are we even gonna need Lee?
>>48527196No you wouldn't. You'd wonder why the fuck they want the kill-everything-rocks, then we'd all have a dumb argument, and we'd probably vote for some crazy scheme to fool the aliens.
>>48527188The Hive watches the Expanse in wait for the kinslayer.
>>48527230Didn't lee come into contact with shard material in the research facility? I can't remember, isn't that the reason why his brain was getting all sorts of fucked up? If that's the case we could bring him in to speak of it.
>>48527151They'll hand them over because we grew a fleet without them noticing in a matter of like 3 months and just showed we can get a ship with a fuck-off railgun pointed at Parliament at point-blank range without warning or any approach from a distance.
>>48527188"We heard the screaming."
>>48527256Also good. The humans lack the capacity to sense this at all. It is outside the capabilities of their minds to comprehend.
>>48527254No. Homegrown tachyons. Geez there was this whole science machine we rekt.
>>48527256Hot DAMN that's good. And it's literally true. We were alerted by the screaming across space in a way they cannot hear.
>>48527255No they won't. They might pretend they are doing it, but they won't give us everything. There's absolutely no chance of that. All we get from forcing them like that is make them our enemies forever instead of a trading partner or something.
Oh, right, and in addition to what everyone else is saying make it known that going forward we will thoroughly investigate every world and ship and station to ensure they aren't keeping any relics of the void... and if we find one, we will wipe humanity from the stars. This is the one and only ultimatum, to impress upon them the seriousness of the situation.We will have free access everywhere, including military or scientific installations, to ensure that they are being honest about giving it all up to us.Overall, just impress upon them that these things aren't bad news, they are the WORST news, and that one way or another their race will die if they keep even a single one.
>>48527289Yeah, we will want an eventual regime change in our favor. If we only use force we'll never be able to stop.
>>48527289If they become enemies then we conquer them and make them our slaves.We recover from losses much faster than them, war would pay for itself in new planets' income, if it came to that.And if they think we can hear the artifacts, they will think twice about holding some back.
>>48527302I vote against this.
>>48526981Don't forget to add this one.
>>48527302Well, this is going to be hard to reconcile with the fact that we are not currently engaged in a holy war of extermination against the Ceph.
>>48527256Well....You're not wrong. But its cheeky enough to pass for now. I approve fellow thinker!
>>48526981>>48527151>>48527119I approve of this with one minor change. Say it ALMOST wiped out the Skyl. Refuse to explain further.
>>48527302Of course they may have uncharted deep space stations in the black. Can't prove they don't.Still, this may be sensible, solely to show the dedication of the hive to the seriousness of the matter.
>>48527323Says who? The only Ceph we've encountered thus far we thoroughly broke of his religion and then effectively enslaved.
>>48527256oh man I cant wait to see the diplomat's reaction to that.
>>48527332LOL, cheekiness intensifies.
>>48527321Did you...not actually link anything.
>>48527350We haven't even tried to find any Ceph-controlled worlds, have we?
>>48527332We can just say there is a reason they will never find the Skyl homeworld, to be spookiest.
>>48527323SimpleIt stupid idea to send a fleet after the ceph since there world is in the void dimension
>>48527386Or in a nebula, or surrounded by black holes, someplace dark and starless.
>>48527376There's only one Ceph-controlled world to Coil's knowledge, and it's...well, it's somewhere that can be accessed by Valen hypergate and Ceph SlipDrive (in which case it's always 'down') but no other known way.
>>48527376As far as we know they only have the one Sunless World In slipspace
>>48527289That's why we have to send in the inspector bugs, like with fucking third world nations and nukes. If we are going to be the world police, we need to demand full access everywhere, and denying that access to be a warlike act.Honestly, demanding the void shards is going to make them interested in them. If it's something we are interested in, then clearly they are somehow important! A power source or weapon, maybe?!?!So we have to find them. All of them. Scan everything, everywhere. Then we take them.You can't trust a child with the doomsday button, but you can sure as hell take it away from him with strong enough arms.
>>48527403Time to send clones of Coil back through the Valen smuggling routes to hopefully establish a stealth hive at the bottom of the ocean.
>>48526981"Your Union will surrender all Ceph devices and precursor artifacts. The devices you call Void Shards will be given to the Hive immediately. They are beyond your ability to understand, and will bring destruction of their own accord if not contained. It can only see those who have seen it, and destroyed the race whose artifacts you pillage from Hive space. They will continue if not stopped, and continuing your ignorant support of this existential threat will be cause for the Hive to intervene." You say as your drone scurries back to the table."Ominous, and clear enough." Morgan says. "That still doesn't explain how you were able to arrive in time." He asks. Your drone quickly turns to face him."We heard the screaming." Your drone chirps. It twitches its antennae as it examines the humans, and quickly turns to the helmeted human beside Morgan."What human are you?""Relax." Morgan says. "Even my colleagues learned to think better of sending agents mixed in with diplomatic envoys after the last debacle. This is your assigned representative. For as long as you wish to involve yourselves in Union affairs, you will go through him.">The Hive has one already>Refuse the representative and introduce Lee>Other (write in)
>>48527413No, we have to explain why they're dangerous. They aren't going to cooperate otherwise. They'll only pretend.And we aren't world police.
>>48527332>>48527119>>48526981I approve of this. Although I'm tempted to simply tell them that the Skyl survived through an AI called Heretic. He's currently good friends with their abused child and is a military AI, not a research one. There is a rather large difference in methodology.
>>48527443>Hive has Representative! We show him, good man, best man>Lee enters.
>>48527443>>The Hive has one already
>>48527443>Refuse the representative and introduce LeeNo thank you, we have our own representative.
>>48527443>>The Hive has one already>>Other (write in)What? We will inspect this human for infections first.Into the bio-tank he goes. We need to copy his memories briefly. Then reject him as not healthy enough. Not like Lee.
>>48527443>The Hive has one already>Refuse the representative and introduce LeeIts time to rise and shine Lee! Lets see what he can do now!
>>48527443>Refuse the representative and introduce Lee
>>48527443>Refuse the representative and introduce LeeThe void shard experiments were our cause for intervention, but they can be ascribed to gross ignorance and negligence.What was done with Lee was malice, and now it's time to break out the thumbscrews.
>>48527443>>The Hive has one alreadyNot saying we won't eventually, but revealing Lee immediately signals we were behind the attack on Devon's lab and probably not going to help convince them to fork over their shards.
>>48527484>>48527443Sure, we can do this
>>48527421Bear in mind that we can probably shit up aquatic environments with biological warfare with relative ease.Giving the Ceph some fucking genophage would be delicious.Or doing that to the fucking squids.>>48527443>The Hive has one already.>Lee enters, stage left.
>>48527484Retracting my vote here>>48527496for this.
>>48527496The very nature of what they did in Devon's lab would destroy Killinger overnight if it went public.
>>48527443>Refuse the representative and introduce LeeAlright, and with that, I'll start to set up the next thread since we're already on page 8.
>>48527443Ominously laugh then>The Hive has one already
>>48527484Actually that is smarter then being cheeky. I am gonna say to vote for this before my vote here.>>48527488
>>48527496Or WILL it?It shows we have a Lyle in our employ sometimes. I don't know if that would be a bigger motivation or not.
>>48527505>Ceph>squids>differentWhy do people keep getting what Valen are wrong. Killinger dubbed them 'gators'. Geez we already had this mixup threads ago.
>>48527445I mean, we are sort of acting like the world police here. Not saying that's wrong, we have to or else bad things will happen, it's preemptive self defense.I don't think we should explain why they are dangerous. Anything we say could make them sound like a weaponizeable thing. We should just leave it at "If you knew what they were, you would die from knowing. Literally, the knowledge would cause you to die; at your present level of technology and understanding you would be killed by the information."Also:>Refuse the representative and introduce LeeMaximum impact.
>>48527516Don't wasps have jet engines
>>48527516But...we're still actively debating this...
>>48527516OQ, can we use the anti psyonic material as ammo? or ground it into dust and spray it over a drone so it's signal has interference?
>>48527516Will we still do >>48527484 first? It is so hilarious and slightly beneficial.Although I know writing up a relevant memory for the guy might be taxing.
>>48527549>I don't think we should explain why they are dangerous. Anything we say could make them sound like a weaponizeable thing.No, see, we explain the basis of why they're dangerous. Because they're INTELLIGENT and HOSTILE and from another dimension. Because they use MIND CONTROL and corrupt the minds of anyone who looks into them. Things like that aren't hard to understand. We aren't giving specifics of their workings, just the basic info on what the vector of danger is.
>>48527569>giving OQ free samples
>>48527484That's actually a really good idea.
>>48527569>OQ, can we use the anti psyonic material as ammo? or ground it into dust and spray it over a drone so it's signal has interference?>OQHe hasn't been hitting the crystal head THAT hard anon. Not yet anyway.
>>48527580This is an ample explanation to the baby race.
>>48527569>OQTRAITOROUS WRETCH GET YOUR CRYSTAL-LOVING THORAX OUT OF OUR THREAD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>48527600We could also actually inject him with a cold or something, to explain the unhealthiness we detected and rejected.So that it isn't baseless, and they can verify it later in their own lab's bloodwork of the poor sap.
>>48527529If they mentioning Lyle or the lab, we should speak about the drones they abducted and offer them our HOPE captives for them back, then get angry when they try to give an excuse or explain why they can't.
>>48527580I am sure no human in history has wanted to research mind control. I mean, hell, how dangerous could they really be, right? We'll just take proper precautions....
I WONDER WHAT DAVID KENT IS DOING
>>48527630It's still a lot better than the "Well it's a rock, what's the worst thing that could happen?" that they're at right now.
>>48527654We already saw it turned human brains into something else. And Windsor saw that, too.It drives men mad. Human containment methods are insufficient, as Tenebris showed.
>>48527569And this one is gone.
>>48527674Yes, but that's what humans want. They want their minds to melt. According to that other anon at least.
>>48527443"Yes, now you use stealth warships to bomb your own negotiators, a vast improvement. Clever, but hiding an operation of that scale from Theseus is nearly impossible."
>>48527715No, we don't mention that little snippet to them. Instead we broadcast it publicly throughout Gemini along with a recording of the entire meeting once they leave.
>>48527715No, that is to be used when they eventually fuck with us.
>>48527715Just, just stop. You have no idea how to negotiate or what to keep close to the chest.
>>48527771There'd be no credibility in such a broadcast. Who's to say we didn't tweak the recordings, or make them whole cloth?
>>48527715That's our Trump card.>>48527827>Who's to say we didn't tweak the recordings, or make them whole cloth?People are already suspicious. Why not confirm their suspicions?
>>48527443"You seem to think we are on equal footing, What makes you think you can dictate terms to the hive when this small fleet has scared you so."
>>48527715That's the nuclear option.For later, when we have set up the rest of the dominos to fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
>>48527827You might not be able to prove it in an open court, but it would be more than enough to get a lot of people seriously doubting the integrity of their government.
>>48527443"Involve Ourselves in human affairs, *Rapid Clicking* The humans have involved themselves in OUR affairs and should be happy to be invited to the table"
>>48527899Oh that is a good response.
>>48527899If they ask how they have involved themselves in hive affairs we should mention their trespassing of holy ground in the garden.
>>48527899Another good response.But, yeah, now is a good time to introduce Lee. Although I'd still be interested in meeting this new human (and possibly parasiting him, at least temporarily) to learn what he knows.
Bless the Unions sweet little heart that they even bother to try and pull the representative shit on us
>>48528112Right? They got some balls to pull that shit on a race vastly superior in military might to them that showed up out of fucking nowhere madder than hell.
>>48527484I wonder if we should be vaguer. Determining suitability of human as substitute Speaker.Only to find, no, he is not close enough to being Lee in build or his soothing voice tone. Not an improvement over what we have, he is.
>>48528152You make it sound like mother has a bug crush on him.
>>48528134"The Hive applauds your massive iron gonads for attempting to treat us as if we are beneath you."
>>48528173Oh please, can we use these exact words in the next thread?
>>48527608But it's vodka, it's like the white crystals, it amplifies questing and makes movies better.>>48527644I figured if I started the night off with that everyone would have heart attacks from anticipation.>>48528112It's sorta like a lawyer. If you can't afford one you get a state appointed one for free.>>48528217Anyways, next thread's up.