Leeland churns with activity, the skyline of hive spires steaming as their ventilation shafts work to regulate the heat of endless factories and seas of molecular construction vats. In orbit, the Union made monitor glides silently over it all, its camera focused on the epicenter of the planet's sprawl. Theseus sits within, ripping apart the images and stitching them back together in real time to remove the overwhelming sea of chitinous spires sprouting from the ground.Deep beneath the endless spires and hive structures, within a small cave sealed beneath a mountain that has long since vanished under the bunker built around it, Lee sits along the edge of a small pond, leaned against the soft mossy rock wall behind him as the luminescent fungal spores that once served as your first throne glow softly in the dim light of the chamber as the water trickles from the spring through the hive beyond. Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!>Archives http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest>Twitter https://twitter.com/HiveQueenQuest>Various pasta http://pastebin.com/u/QuestDrone>FAQ ask.fm/QuestDrone>Discussion page http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest_talk:Hive_Queen_Quest
>>47638615My thorax is ready!
D'awww, Is lee visiting where we held him to a wall and stuff? Is he getting nostalgic?
NUKE THE WHALESGAS THE SQUIDSSTAB THE MONKEYSTRUST NOTHINGTHE VOID IS WATCHING
>>47638635>They do their own thing and have their own agendas>your orders tend to trump whatever things they are doingThey tend. That is not an absolute.There is still no reason why have to lay queens to delegate when we can do all that ourselves.>EfficiencyQD will still have to do the legwork of crunching and fluff, and we'll still have to be watching over our daughter's shoulders should they find/do anything interesting.
>>47638615>Lee sits along the edge of a small pond, leaned against the soft mossy rock wall behind him as the luminescent fungal spores that once served as your first throne glow softly in the dim light of the chamber as the water trickles from the spring through the hive beyond.Fuck does that sound beautiful.
I can't believe i caused the entire shitfest last thread by saying my reasons why i don't like faking multiple hive factions.
>>47638849Anon, daughters have been a sore point since before we've reached space.
>>47638849We had to get it out of our system sooner or later anon, it's been months since we had an honest free for all over whether we should have daughters or not. Man it feels good to have this back, I missed you autismos.
>>47638849Eh the daughter thing been a cause of shitstorms in the players everything since the start
>>47638849That tends to happen when people turn off the logical part of their brain when confronted with any concept of adorable/cute >>47638872They should be considered when necessary, not for amusement(yet)
I don't mind daughterus but I want them when we have an actual empire going, not 3 worlds, two of which aren't even half developed.
>>47638615I WONDER WHAT THE SCOUTING PODS ARE DOING
>>47638872Daughters were valid as a contentious issue until Quest Drone literally came out and told us that they would be obedient, and some minor sibling rivalry is the worst we can expect.
>>47638965FUCK YOUR PODSWHEN THE FUCK IS THE SPACEWAR STARTING!!
>>47638949Raligha isn't for a reason, but yeah. We need more worlds.
>>47638615Your ships orbit the mysterious jungle covered planet as your drones continue to comb the surface. Debris from the Obsidian Queen's Hive ship has been mostly recovered, although portions of the hull had already begun to melt into her signature hive creep, consuming the surrounding life with surprising speed. What parts were found in time were recovered, while larger sections that had begun to spread were quickly expunged with fire by your drones before the contamination spreads too far.The main hull of the massive craft was found shattered into segments and scattered over a river valley. The river had almost instantly been contaminated by the sleek, oily spores of the ship's hull, with thick inky ooze growing over the flora downstream. After a survey of the valley, your drones were forced to glass nearly fifty miles of jungle to prevent the spread of infection, while more surgical strikes are still underway, burning out the smaller of the hull pieces where smaller craft had crashed, some even spewing forth surviving crew, mad drones with only the agonized rage of a thinker separated from its mother to guide them. Control of space and air is yours, and your fighters and low flying corvettes make quick work of them, hunting down the survivors with unrelenting vigor.The jungle burns through the night, turning the sky a deep orange as smoke fills the air for miles, casting a thick haze over the continent. As the day comes, and the sun rises, there is hardly any difference in light as the glow of fire is replaced with the haze of the local star smothered by the dense clouds and smoke.Containment has been achieved. What remains of the wreckage is dead, and your drones split their attention between salvage and searching the surface for the source of that mental signal. You know you felt it, a sudden ping in your mind, a distant call like an echo of a voice shouted from over a hill reduced to an almost inaudible scream. Only for a moment.cont.
>>47638970The problem was never loyalty it's the fact it takes a year for a queen to mature we need to protect them as they grow and they need thier own space all things we can't give them
>>47639002It's not a year, more like a couple of months. But thats still months that a planet is nonproductive. And we don't really have all that many planets of our own to begin with.
>>47639020Clearly the answer is to conquer the Union.
>>47639031>The Commonwealth agrees to be the little spoon if we thrash the Union for them.heh
>>47639049"Yes, Sure, We will deal with this union for you, but only if you let us put these little things on your spines"
>>47638970I guess it all depends on what "sibling rivalry" actually entails. Among a lot of eusocial insects "sibling rivalry" can entail one sister enslaving or killing her weaker rivals to attain dominance.
>>47639104Welp given what OB did to mom and gardener then we know how bad it can get
>>47638990The planet is host to strange life, as a clearly geological planet has given rise to an unusual assortment of sharp, jagged spires of rock stabbing up from the ground like the protruding bones of a great corpse, slicing at the sky like knives. Beyond the torched and obliterated wastes left by the crash sites of your rival queen's ships, there is not much in the way of solid, flat terrain.There is an odd sensation as you search the planet, as if you are being watched. The sensation is not often felt, but you know it with certainty. A psionic mind has it's attention turned to your activities here, but its signal is far from strong, hardly more than a ripple through the static of the universe. It feels like it builds up for some time, as if gathering strength, until there is a sharp burst. A distant cry that can hardly be understood. A desperate whisper as if spoken from a death bed."Ẃ̡́҉͘h̵̢̨̀o͢͏̀ ̨̕͜͜͠á҉̧ŗ̷̛͘e͘ ̧̛͡͏͞y͝ǫ̸̵͡͡u̶͟?̴̢̢́̕">Call back to the voice (write in)>Attempt to have your drones zero in on the location>Other (write in)
>>47639057>>47639049But first we must give second heart! We improve yes!
>>47639126>Call back to the voice (Yes we hear pain child, Tell us who and where you are!)>Attempt to have your drones zero in on the location
>>47639126>Call back to the voiceNot OB
>>47639002They don't need space while maturing, the main character queen woke up for the first time already able to do everything she's able to do right now.
>>47639126>"Ẃ̡́҉͘h̵̢̨̀o͢͏̀ ̨̕͜͜͠á҉̧ŗ̷̛͘e͘ ̧̛͡͏͞y͝ǫ̸̵͡͡u̶͟?̴̢̢́̕"creepy.>>Call back to the voice (write in)>We are your enemies enemy
>>47639126Just another whisper on the wind.>>Attempt to have your drones zero in on the location
>>47639126>Call back to the voice (write in)Friends to the enemies of the dark queen and her brood.
>>47639104No, not even that much was left to interpretation. It was stated that they would be obedient towards mom, but might have some border skirmishes between themselves. If you're afraid that one of them would try to eat another, then we could easily tell them to stop it before it got to that. We are dealing with intelligent people here, not mindless insects.
>>47639126Supporting this >>47639161>Attempt to have your drones zero in on the location
>>47639126>Call back to the voice (who are you?)
>>47639126>>Call back to the voice (write in)The Red Queen, daughter of the White Queen and enemy of the Obsidian Queen.
>>47639126>>Attempt to have your drones zero in on the locationIf we're goin to say anything back it should just be "My mother's daughter."But I say don't respond yet. Just zoom in for now.
>>47639156Space to mature thier hive anon you know thier own family and children
>>47639126>Attempt to have your drones zero in on the location.>Ensure that our non-aggressiveness is known by constantly replaying our hate for the Obsidian Queen, and worry about her children infecting the planet.
>>47639126 >Call back to the voice>We are red queen.
>>47639126>Attempt to have your drones zero in. Let's attempt to determine what we're actually dealing with here before calling back. >>47639178Granted, although it would be preferable if internal power struggles weren't an issue period. It would probably be prudent to establish some hierarchy for future daughterus, perhaps based on planetary productivity. At least then any competition will always result in a positive for the hive as a whole.
>>47639211They don't need a hive bigger than what we had in the first few days. They also don't need to hatch their own drones to control them, as for example our first thinker was one of our mother's drones, technically our brother, and he's still with us and doing fine.
>>47639126"Daughter of White, Queen of Red, Enemy of Kinslayer."
>>47639241>They don't need a hive bigger than what we had in the first few days.That assumes that they don't want their hives to grow. Like we do.
>>47639241>They also don't need to hatch their own droneThen why are we even making daughters in the first place?
>>47639266And you in turn are assuming that they're impossible to reason with AND that they wouldn't find having large chunks of our existing drones to manage for themselves acceptable.In essence you think that the only way they would be happy is if they are allowed to do what we were forced to do when born: go out alone into the wilderness and build a hive from scratch.This goes against the information we have that they would be happy as our effective vassals, and that closely related queens can use each others drones.
>>47639126>Attempt to have your drones zero in on the locationWhile this is going on>Call back to the voice (write in)We are a friend. A young queen. What happened here?
>>47639284Because we currently only have a single intelligent entity in charge of micromanaging an entire interstellar empire. The humans and such which are plugged into our hive can't give orders directly to our drones, they have to route it through us.
>>47639296You forget that even if the Drone works for us he still lief and withheld information from us at or mothers orders no queen will trust another's drones that's why we start with the starter drones because it's what's natural for us.
>>47639324This isn't a problem.You're assuming there are bandwidth/processing limitations on the Hive's interactions with human beings. There aren't, the only limit is what we the quest players can deal with.As far as you need to be concerned, Queenie has unlimited ability to deal with things. Unlike us.Plus, we can delegate to Thinkers.
>>47639324Anon. Thats not a problem. At all. We do not have any problem juggling all of those orders at once. We could talk to a thousand or a million different humans at once with no latency. The only bottleneck in terms of orders, actions or communication is in Quest Drone's ability to write and explain it to us. A daughter does nothing to change that.
>>47639296Yes but you don't understand. Our daughters our Queens. They have the imperative to grow just like us. Would you be content with just being given one planet and be told to only have that unless your mother decides to give you more? If we make one now, I can bet she'll do everything in her power to expand without directly going against our orders. That can cause some problems.>>47639324>Because we currently only have a single intelligent entity in charge of micromanaging an entire interstellar empire.Yes thats what being a Queen is all about. It is not required that our humans directly give orders to drones. Elizabeth seems to be doing fine and we only had to order the thinkers to work with her once. Also I don't see how this has anything to do with making daughters.
>>47639345Rogue daughters would only happen if they got corrupted by the crystals or something like that. Except maybe if we abused them terribly, but Mother would never do that.>>47639375That's not the issue, the issue is that we have only one egg in one basket.
>>47639389>They have the imperative to grow just like us.Not really. If daughters normally behave as vassals, as QD told us, then obviously our species evolved to be capable of cooperating with limited space available. Otherwise such dynamics wouldn't be natural to us.
>>47639324>>47639345>>47639375>>47639389>>47639395For the love of fuck, can we just call this argument a stalemate and drop it? We're going to hit the bump limit again in an hour at this pace.
>>47639126You try to call back, sending your mental voice across the continent. You send images of battle with the Obsidian Queen, glimpses of your motherly splendor in a mental greeting, and memories of the attack over this world, just enough to get the image across, hardly much in the way of details.The whispering curiosity fades as you speak your name across the region, and there is only static once more. Too much static. In a very specific place. Your drones begin to focus on the area.Something flashes from the forest, and one of your wasps is tackled from its flight over the canopy. It's image is blurry, as if attacked by a shadow, out of focus like looking through a muddy lense. The wasp is pinned to a tree, something held fast around its neck as it flails to get free. A creature, its head a vibrant, shimmering blue mixed with metallic greens and hues of purple looks down on your drone, its face clearing into a crisp image. It has four eyes, all four positioned forward in a clearly predatory trait. They look at your drone with purpose, with intelligence behind them.The creature's head is sleek and streamlined, its face clearly aerodynamic with a short, sharp nose covered in slits that widen and narrow as it breathes rhythmically. Its mouth is a tightly woven bundle of mandibles held together into a solid jaw, splitting momentarily to let out a grumbling, gurgling screech and then bundling it up again into a solid lower jaw held tight against a set of long, serrated, bright red teeth lining the single upper jaw. The teeth are carved, chiseled with strange, swirling insignias.cont.
>>47639421see what I meant about the logic thing?
>>47639443Fucking awesome, more sentient life!
>>47639421Tell QD to make a vote and then whatever wins will get bragging rights.>>47639419>then obviously our species evolved to be capable of cooperating with limited space availableAll those scenes of various queens killing each other's drones for new real estate during the flashback tells otherwise.
>>47639443>tell them we're a queen>no guarantee it was one of our species we were dealing with despite every other one of us being dead for 70000 years or so>no way this could backfire
>>47639395>one egg in one basket.Is better than many eggs in one basket.>>47639421I agree, we really need to end this damn topic with a vote.
>>47639443This aint a queen?So OB was doing was cleaning up a sci capable species for the void then?
>>47639467Hey we beat up the OQ's ships. That has to count for something.
>>47639450>>47639468>>47639463>Call a voteniggers fucking drop it for now until a more pressing matter comes up. Jesus Christ. There is no fucking reason for bragging rights or anything.>>47639443Our... natural predatory ?
>>47639463>All those scenes of various queens killing each other's drones for new real estate during the flashback tells otherwise.And QD told you otherwise in the previous thread. Obviously those were wars between more distantly related queens.
>>47639443Holy shit, is that another remnant Skyll, or a new species!?
>>47639467Our mother was alive less than a year ago. Others may have survived as well.But I think you're right. We were over-eager to meet another queen/hive like life and let too much info slip to an unknown intelligence.
>>47639468>Is better than many eggs in one basket.No, it would be equal. Luckily we can make many baskets with one egg in it each by having daughters.
>>47639496Mabe it's a hybrid? It dose have mandibles
>>47639511It's still one basket. All our world's are within reach of the OQ.
>>47639499I think the Nomad might still be out there. We know for a fact the Builder survived for a while, it's Emissary drone self-destructed when the OQ enacted her coup
>>47639443Oh ho hello there new friendDo those runes make any sense to us at all or are they something our hive has never seen?>>47639491Iwish they could, but autism knows no bounds.>>47639496Heres hoping!
>>47639520No, each daughter would be separately vulnerable both to physical and to psionic attack. Thus if we hide our daughters in different places we have separate baskets. Even if one attack succeeds, the entirety of our drone mass and most of our queens are still fine.
>>47639511>Luckily we can make many baskets with one egg in it each by having daughters.The baskets are planets anon, we need more planets for us to consider having daughters.
>>47639443The creature holds a spear-like weapon against your wasp, the end forked as if made to pin without harming the target unintentionally. It grasps it firmly with a pair of two, short but lean and muscular legs that hang from its short body, and it props itself up at a surprising height on a set of incredibly long arms, gripping the branch it is on with long, hook-like fingers as a cape of skin folds cleanly along the forearm and up to its body like a wing suit. The flap of skin is covered in a shimmering display of feather-like scales, sliding over one another with the slightest of a jingling rustle with each movement.The distant voice returns, weak but desperate, and the creature looks away for a moment before turning back to your drone with notable suspicion. It plucks the spear from the tree and quickly backtracks to the far edge of the branch, gripping its weapon in its nimble feet as its clawed hands tear at the branch with its graceful stride. It seems to wait for a moment, watching your drone, before it stands up to its full height, at least two meters, over half of which given by its incredibly long arms, and it lets out a belching cry, inflating its neck as its voice echoes over the jungle.It dives off. Falling some distance before its arms unfurl into a vast sail of a wingspan glittering like a rainbow with its myriad of shimmering feathered scales, and it arcs back up into the air, circling your drone at some distance, and then veering off, its flight slow and deliberate as it occasionally flips around to see your drone again.It seems obvious enough of a sign.>Have the wasp follow the creature alone>Send all the local drones to converge on the location>Other (write in)
This whole "one egg" metaphor is so retarded. If anything gets to the point where our queen is in danger of dying then everything is going to be in ruins since our home planet is by far the best defended. I wish a daughterufag would at least come up with some sort of compelling reason to actually have daughters at this time.
>>47639573>Have the wasp follow the creature alone
>>47639573>>Have the wasp follow the creature alone>>Deploy a couple dozen flies to assist in the search
>>47639573>Have the wasp follow the creature aloneSo some sort of psionic intelligence that can talk to primitive Skyl? It might still be another Queen.
>>47639577I wish an anti-daughtfag would at least come up with some sort of compelling reason not to actually have daughters at this time.
>>47639573>Have the wasp follow the creature alone>Deploy a couple dozen flies to assist in the search
>>47639573>>Have the wasp follow the creature alone
>>47639557No, the baskets are viable hiding places. Planets are irrelevant. We could decide to create a space-based kingdom without a single planet if we wanted to.
>>47639573Supporting>Deploy a couple dozen flies to assist in the search
>>47639556Holy shit you have broken the Guinness world record for retardation.OQ doesn't even have advanced psionics and the crystal god hasn't made his move yet.
>>47639573>Other (write in)Send a group of forces to follow the creature, but not nearly all the thousands of drones we have on the planet. It could be a trap, an ambush, or a trick trying to lure us away from the voice. Sending a group of drones gives us flexibility both if it is a trap and if more than one drone may be needed at the distressed location.
>>47639573>Have the wasp follow the creature alone>Other (are you skyll?)
>>47639573>Have the wasp follow the creature alone. But also have local drones ready to converge if the wasp shows any sign of distress.
>>47639619Pretty sure that's how the Nomad Queen operated
>>47639573>have three wasp follow the creature, send a warrior if it is leading us to the signal.
>>47639607>>47639577Both of you stow it. You've let out your pent up autism now so can we please go back to investigating shit?
>>47639573>>Have the wasp follow the creature aloneThis should be treated as diplomacy.
Hey remember the color coded fake factions ideaWhat if we modeled all the colors after our dead aunts? That way we get to be cheeky and we can have them as a sort of memorial to our dead kin
I'm done, QD has invented PSY fucntional frog-dragonois-orangutan/gibbon-tree dwelling gliders. I could kiss him, these aliens are so rad
>>47639681Please no more arguments.
>>47639681This is one of the reasons, that I haven't put to word yet, that the whole colors idea was off putting. It just feels wrong to fly the flags of our dead relatives. And it feels wrong to mess with an obvious communication system of our kind, kind of like why only pretending you're surrendering is a war crime IRL.
>>47639594Yeah I can dig this.>>47639696Good luck
>>47639573Whatever the psyonic creature is, it is in distress. It could be a situation like on Raligha with uplifted native serving a queen. A queen who in this case may be severely injured. Send a group (but not everything!) to check it out. It may need healing/support
>>47639681Well we do still have that barkskin carapace adaptation we never used in our genetic databanks. Personally I would prefer cloning best aunt and sending her down to rule Raligha herself, but that could work as a diplomatic ploy.>>47639696As long as it isn't about daughterus or another dead horse that has been beaten into a fine red paste, arguing is acceptable anon.
>>47639740>As long as it isn't about daughterus or another dead horse that has been beaten into a fine red pasteTo be fair, QD restarted that one.
>>47639740i asked that last Sunday, we can't clone her with intact memories.
>>47639740Then can we talk about the OQ invasion plan?
>>47639780The only OQ invasion plan is the one that we're trying to foil.
>>47639797With no counterattack? How the hell are we supposed to stop her from making more ships?
>>47639681Hmm... Maybe? I'd rather start our own though rather than take after our aunts. But I'm still in favor of the color coded factions. I think it'd be a fun, cheeky and effective course of action that would put our neighbors more at ease and function as decent misdirection.
>>47639780I thought we all left satisfied when we talked about it last time? So what did you want to discuss
I should feel like much of these discussions can be moved over here.https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:Hive_Queen_Quest
>>47639821Also let's them no what kind of job the drones do
>>47639813We can't. All we can do right now is keep our industrial centers secret.
>>47639780I can dig it, here's a quick sketch on how I think we could do it. We hit drift and First landing fast and simultaneously to draw her out, and when the tide begins to turn in our favor we can hit Cluster while her ships are preoccupied. Thoughts?
>>47639831OH GOD THE ROLLS, THEY COME. hi fluff, please dont roll super low all the time this time around. >>47639813we become strong enough to consume her in a tide of children, then absorb her armies and worlds and turn our attention to the asshole crystal gods
>>47639831You could be moved over there too.
>>47638635Daughteru gets us two things:>1: Autonomously developing colony.Attention is not a resource we're lacking in IC; so we can just roll a colony like that.>2: Another NPC to interact withWe have a shitton of those and we lack in OOC attention span and time to properly interact with them already. Daughteru times will be very limited.
We need to find out where that one Union scientist that's experimenting with Void crystals is. They've already gotten into Slip Space
>>47639874Fucking image dropped, I was doing some last minute tweaks to it.
>>47639780>>47639874I asked QD if it's possible to blink several pods together to make it look like only one ship has blinked in. We could have one pod eb the bait and once it's destroyed, the OQ would be satisfied with destroying an intruder while the other pods can now conduct real-time surveillance of her systems with her none the wiser.
>>47639824I just wanted to get some more criticism so we have all our weaknesses covered.Here is the plan i thought up last Sunday.>alright let me explain a general invasion scenario.>1) blink fleet to attack weakly defended planet, remove all enemy ships.>2)begin orbital bombardment, use those nanomachine bombs that devours everything to clear zone for our troops and hive creep bombs.>3)begin land war with troops, jammer shuttles to disrupt enemy drones and flamethrower/cryospray to remove the enemy creep, use acoustics and radar to detect tunnels and bunkers.>4)when we have more that half of the planet in our control send in nanomines to dig into the mantle (but not the core) build space elevators to build ships and reinforce our fleet.>The plan can be change as situations occur.There was more discussion at the end of thread 53.6 i suggest you read, since I'm too spiritually exhausted to type it all.
>>47639841Well we could, if we want to pull off a one-time attack on all her things using technology she's never seen before and won't have come up with countermeasures for.But that requires scouting out all her planets and that will never happen probably for IRL months.
>>47639573>Have the wasp follow the creatureYour wasp takes flight after the strange creature, and you pluck several of the closest flies from their duties and have them follow more discreetly, just in case.The creature leads your wasp slowly over the jungle canopy, gliding along on its massive wingspan. Before too long, you think you have a good idea of where you are being led. A long, swerving mountain range, narrow like a massive knife's edge sprouting from the ground stretches out before you, speckled with lights. The image is blurred, and your drone finds itself drifting off course more than once, as if gravitating away from it. You find yourself having to force the drone to keep its course, though not through disobedience, in fact you sense the wasp feels nothing but shame in its sudden inability to fly in a straight line, and as you continue to get closer the lights blur together, losing their distinction into a faint, subtle glow that spreads across the mountain range. The psionic static here is palpable, a dense fog you can feel like a tingling through your thorax. You find yourself correct your wasp's flight path, and it takes everything your wasp is capable of to avoid crashing into a tree.The creature lets out an echoing call again, its throat puffing up like a balloon. Others call back, until there is a cacophony of screeching calls that drowns out the sounds of the forest, and a moment later the mountains begin to grow clear and crisp. The image sharpens into that of a grand city, humble in sophistication but impressive in scale at the least. Grand huts of wood and bone hang from the sides of the cliff, and structure carved into the side run bridges between gaps in the mountains. Doors open out to straight drops, and creatures of various sizes and color patterns fly from building to building. A formation is quickly moving to intercept, their figures obscured as if out of focus, and they are upon you before your wasp fully notices them.cont.
>>47639887They would also give our entire hive a safety net in case something bad happens to one queen.
>>47639903We need some of whatever psionic disruptor tech he has.
>>47639899We don't know where all her things are. We probably know about less than 5% really.
>>47639936We would know the majority if we EXAMINED SCOUTING PODS
>>47639903We're experiencing some kind of psionic interference here, we should stop before we completely lose contact. Try and signal that the wasp cannot fulfill their function properly in this interference.
>>47639903Holy shit, that is awesome.
>>47639903More noises are exchanged, and the formation become crisp in your mind as they join your guide. One, slightly larger than the others flies in closer to your guide as the two at the outer flanks fall back around your wasp. They eye your drone with mistrust and confusion.You wonder, suddenly, how you recognize their emotions so easily. You feel odd having missed it at first, and until now you had been trying to determine the limit of it, but they are, each of them, broadcasting their own mental signal. At first it felt like static, a subtle wave of disruption canceling out their own presence in an intriguing process you are rather interested in learning yourself, but now, with them so close, you can feel their minds drifting out around them, as if their thoughts fly as easily as they do. You wonder if they can understand each others' minds, or if they are blind to their own signals.The two in front of you hold some conversation that is clearly of a deal of importance between them. The larger of the two, almost crimson in color, with streaks of deep indigo faded into the wings that shift through the spectrum as the feathered scales shift in the wind, comes in close to the smaller one, holding its wing over the other and casting the smaller one in shadow. They speak in croaks, deep, sharp, chittering noises that hold a strange melody within each statement that seems to almost blend together into a kind of impromptu song between them.>Divert research to initiate a crash project and decypher the new language>Assign a few thinkers and allow them to learn the language in time.>Other
>>47640013>>Divert research to initiate a crash project and decypher the new language
>>47640013>Divert research to initiate a crash project and decypher the new language
>>47639896I like your thinking here anon. We might have to move quickly or even simultaneously on several worlds to use this to maximum effect, as the OQ will certainly develop countermeasures to our tactics and WMDs once she sees them in action, but otherwise this is a fine strategy. Might want to add it to the wiki if you're familiar with it.
>>47640013>Divert research to initiate a crash project and decypher the new languageMASON THE NUMBERS, WHAT DO THEY MEAN?
>>47640013>>Divert research to initiate a crash project and decypher the new languagepls no more queen/faction debate until it gets brought up in-quest
>>47640013>>Divert research to initiate a crash project and decypher the new languageThis is big, it needs full attention.
>>47640030Yea i suggested raiding fleets so that she can't send reinforcements when we take a planet, the entire long term goal depends on if we can take enough planets that we end up equal in industry.Unfortunately i don't know how the wiki works since i barely read it.
>>47640013You put a temporary halt to your research as you send your thinkers what data you have of the language. They begin pouring over every croaking cackle and chirp with an intense, ravenous thirst for understanding. Elizabeth gets up from her table, confused for a moment as the thinker she had outsourced a good portion of the mathematics she was engrossed in vanishes to its other duties. She stands dumbfounded for a moment as her mind realizes what had happened, as if a flashbang had gone off in the room."Alright, alright. I get the message." She says. "I could use a bit of a break at any rate." She gets up from the table of petri dishes and makes her way down the hall.The creatures around your wasp seem to grow closer, as if daring each other to approach the strange insectoid beast flying among them. One nearly is upon your wasp when your drone clicks its mandibles in its direction and it quickly dives away. The creature opposite you flutters its lower jaw in what seems to be a giggle.A deep guttural roar, quick, subdued, and commanding erupts from the larger one in the lead as its head snaps back at the two flanking your drone. They quickly leap forward and fall into formation with a flap of their great wings, and they depart. Your guide follows them in, taking a long, arcing path up over the primitive city and towards one of the mountainous knives of rock, diving down to where it is at its thickest. A large landing has been carved out of the base, where a waterfall flows out beneath the intricately chiseled stone slab and into a lush valley filled with hanging bone and hide tents strung up between the trees and hooked into the massive eight meter thick trunks of the largest of the planets in the area.cont.
>>47640219I always love your imagery QD. Whether it's meeting a Valen for the first time, or looking like a jungle city like now it's always so evocative.
>>47640238Don't forget alien frog dragon children
>>47640219The creatures land, dropping to their long, muscular arms as their wings fold along their forearms into cloaks behind them, flowing with each step as their tiny, far too short legs reach up like hands, holding their weapons proudly. The larger turns to your wasp, and it points to the ground. A circular pattern of symbols has been carved into the rock. It is clear it has been carved many times, retouched as time wore it smooth. The writing is instantly familiar to you. It is the Hive's written language, the artificial code assembled with the Skyl alphabet. Your wasp is quick to examine it."Our pride was our folly. Our future is our hope. Our sins are my prison. If you have heard me, help them."The creature watches your drone as you read the text, closely, its dexterous legs gripping its spear tightly in anticipation. As your wasp looks back to it, it points into the cave beyond. You can feel... something within. Like a whimpering wheeze.>Have your drone enter>Attempt to speak with the creature mentally (write in)>Have your other drones and forces converge on this location>Other
...I don't think it'd ever happen, but I'm wondering how would the Union react if they found out Vaughn was alive and...well...this? I mean, I can guess, but I'm still curious.
>>47640264>>Have your drone enter
>>47640264>Have your drone enter
>>47640264>>Have your drone enterCarefully, and cautiously
>>47640264>Attempt to speak with the creature mentally (write in)"I will help them."
>>47640264>>Have your other drones and forces converge on this locationCousin!
>>47640265We are gonna give the crew of the hope back to the union, right?
>>47640264>>Have your drone enter>>Have your other drones and forces converge on this location
>>47640264>Have your drone enter>Have your other drones and forces converge on this locationBut don't let them enter the city just yet
>>47640285...Oh yeaaaaaaaah, forgot about them.Yeah sure whatever.
>>47640264>Have your drone enter>Have your other drones and forces converge on this locationWe gonna find more family but its gonna be dying.
>>47640264>>47640279This to ease their worry, then.>>47640287
>>47640264Also, please roll 1d100, best of 3 for rushing the crap out of this language research.
>>47640264>Have your other drones and forces converge on this location
Rolled 17 (1d100)>>47640311ok
Rolled 9 (1d100)>>47640311
Rolled 74 (1d100)>>47640311
Rolled 41 (1d100)>>47640311For Mother.
>>47638615Holy shit, it's back? It's been so long. I just got off work at midnight so I can't read this until tomorrow, but I'm psyched to see the best-run quest on this site back.
Rolled 31 (1d100)>>47640311MOTERRR
>>47640321Thank you SO much.
>>47640264>Have your drone enter.also>Have your other drones and forces converge on this locationKeep them on standby, and don't encroach on territory, but if we need backup we want it ready. Keep some ships with drop pods handy and flyers at high altitude.
>no one said for mother. Geez anons, this is why we roll low
>>47640321Thank you random anon, for covering my fuckup
>>47640321That was a nice save anon
>>47640321Bless you drone. You saved us from embarrassing failure.
>>47640264We need a bio-tank stat.One of the Large bio-tanks, and several of the small. And a parasite!Like 20 parasites!Nobody's dying today.
>>47640339Wait a moment, THAT'S ME!
>>47640351Yeah, get gunships with honey-pots and bio tanks in position for medivac if necessary ASAP.I already voted for sending in reinforcements as well, though, so don't count my vote twice. Just reiterating the need to provide medical assistance if we at all can.
>>47640311Your wasp enters, slowly skittering its way along the stone floor with caution. You have your drones in the outlying areas, all of them, you noticed, had somehow avoided the area despite their grid pattern search of the continent, and you have them close in, just enough to be nearby if needed.Within the structure, there is a series of marble slabs, each covered in fantastical carvings and vibrant paintings. One shows a mural, painted and carved until it is almost a three dimensional image, of sickle shaped objects filling the sky, tearing eachother apart. The jungle burns bellow as a dark sea of shapes consumes everything.Another, in astounding detail, shows the same ships, a stylized hive ship by the looks of it, surrounded by its fleet, falling to the ground and embedding itself beneath the surface. Its fleet largely broken and shattered, the hive ship crumbling and aflame.Yet another mural depicts a number of figures, like the creatures outside, standing before a large, vibrantly colored creature, its head cresting the entire mural with elaborate, weaving marble carved with such care it looks as if it is made of paper and withered leaves, the texture of a hive's chitin replicated in painstaking detail. Its wings spread out on either side, eclipsing the painting and covering the other figures. The marble is covered in a fine dust, painted into the texture with chips of powdered crystal gemstones, making the wings glitter in the soft light.The last shows the same figure, hunched over, its colorful luster faded. It holds out items in its claws that the others line up arround the mural to take. Others along the edge of the massive slab of artwork hold various devices in their grip as they stand vigil over the central queen figure.cont.
>>47640495>You have your drones in the outlying areas, all of them, you noticed, had somehow avoided the area despite their grid pattern search of the continent, and you have them close in, just enough to be nearby if needed.What kind of psyonic stealth is this? Very neat stuff. Combing this with cloaking and we will be virtually undetectable by the OQ. They somehow got our drones to ignore they were in an illogical search pattern that missed an entire area...
>>47640495We have to figure out how to get our psi shroud to work that well
I don't know if it is appropriate now but it needs to be dealt with, can we begin terraforming reprive?
>>47640495Very intriguing, they're producing some kind of very subtle psi interference that is almost impossible to detect until it's already fooled us.
>>47640585But, why? It'd wipe out the native intelligent friendly life.
>>47640495The hall ends eventually as your drone passes the last of the murals. At the end of the hall is a balcony, carved in swirling patterns and painted in vibrant colors. The railing is nearly non-existent, unneeded for a race capable of flight. Bellow is a tremendous chamber, filled with rows of large, padded beds and layers upon layers of blankets of fur and animal hide, all stained shades of purple and vibrant greens or reds. A number of slender figures, much taller than any of the others you have seen before, walk with practiced grace along their long arms, their bodies draped with cloth where their wings have become barren, little more than shriveled skin flaps hanging behind them like dresses. Several are hunched over some lump of dried, crispy chitin in the center, delicately wiping moistened cloths over the creature's carapace and holding bowls of steaming water to its head.It moves. Slightly. The creatures around it turn to you startled. They look back at the ugly mass of chitin, unsure, and then quickly leave. The pathetic creature left atop the small mountain of pillows shakes with its weakness as it's head tries to look up to you with its ocular eyes.It is a Queen. Her headcrest is shattered, scabbed over wounds cover the once intricately woven antennae as pulsing wires of tendons reach out to the pillar shaped relay behind her. Her egg sac is gone, a draping trail of shredded and dried flesh hangs behind her, with her rear legs and a great deal of her abdomen missing, with the rest covered in scars and dried, flayed flakes of carapace. Her arms nearly collapsed under her own weight as she tries to pull herself up to look at your wasp. She looks at you, long and hard, the relay behind her studying your mind, straining to see you as a queen should see a queen, thought to thought."You are of the White Queen." She says finally. "Then she has failed." Her head falls back to the layers of cloth of cushion with a heavy thud.cont.
>>47640592But reprive is the dead planet we found our mothers bunker on, it does not have an atmosphere and I'd like to fix that this thread.
>>47640592This is refuge, not reprive.
>>47640598GIVE US YOUR KNOWLEDGE ELDER ONE!
>>47640598Her head rocks gently, pulling itself to a lump in the layers of pillows and resting atop it as an arm reaches for a bowl of water. Most of it spills, but she holds it long enough to drink from it and shakily places it back beside her."But why did you come here?" She says finally. "She would not have spoken of me."(write in)
>>47640598>Her egg sac is gone, a draping trail of shredded and dried flesh hangs behind her, with her rear legs and a great deal of her abdomen missing, with the rest covered in scars and dried, flayed flakes of carapace.This is an outrage.
>>47640605My mistake. Sorry.>>47640598So there is a friendly queen here! MUST SAVE!On a serious note, the intel we would get from a living queen alone would be invaluable. We should divert all available assets to the protection of this individual. She could even start a new friendly hive potentially once she is fixed up.
>>47640325There's been a session last week too, check it up.
>>47640625"Tell us of our lost history"
>>47640598God damn it QD, you know how to hit the feels button.
>>47640604No it isn't. That's Farcast. Does literally anybody understand the map?>>47640585Reprieve is the star system currently occupied by the OQ's salvage ships where the white queen made her last stand. So no.
>>47640598I'll leave the talking to someone else but WE NEED A MEDICAL SHIT STAT
>>47640625We observed blasts from the planet attacking the most hated Obsidian Queen. We sought any allies we could against that regicidal corrupted maniac. We have forces nearby. Please, let them, let us, attend to you.
>>47640625Oh boy the knowledge this elder can share. Might even get a better idea then that cannon for a WMD! What color is this queen?
>>47640625>Heard your voice, in pain. Came to help Ancient One. May we treat?
>>47640625>"But why did you come here?"Patrols detected enemy activity. Denying the enemy any spoils is a good way of winning conflicts.
>>47640625She did not. We felt the traitor attempt to bombard this place, and investigated. Offer to heal her-We fixed human ageing, we can fix hers, and restore her wings/eggs
>>47640645Could you post the map/tell anons where to find it?
>>47640625Then who are you?Mother did not speak of anything to me. She told me nothing.
>>47640598OQ has gone too far.INVADE NOW.>>47640625"The traitor led us here."Questdrone, can we heal her with a pod?
>>47640626Yeah, just imagine a queen that will never have daughters, it's terrible.
>>47640625"She did not. I have found you by exploration, and fought the Obsidian Queen over this planet. Please, tell me of yourself."
>>47640625Oh that poor queen.'To learn of the history she was not there to teach us, and to seek any allies to fight the Obsidian Queen. What happened here, and to you? I might be able to heal your wounds too, if you give me the chance.'
>>47640664>2016>not knowing the map by heart
>>47640652It may be we cannot save this queen. We should get all medical treatment possible ASAP (and out meds are the best in the galaxy), but if that's not enough to save her than the information she can provide -while distant second in value to saving the life of a friendly old queen - will still be utterly invaluable.
>>47640625REMOVE OQ, REMOVE OQ. "We share a common foe, perhaps it would be in both of our best interests to partner in a venture to crush our enemy."
>>47640645my apologies, i was in a hurry to find the name i made a mistake.
>>47640669She looks like she would better serve as genetic blue prints, the memories and genetic knowledge she could have would super useful. Would be nice to heal her if we can but come on now guys, she is kinda half dead.>>47640625Still waiting on the color of her chitin.
>>47640625While talking is nice...We should really rush to give her medical attention.It's our duty to ensure OQ's actions don't claim another of our kin.
>>47640625These creatures. They speak their thoughts. They hid you from the enemy. How?
So, when we rebuild this old queen to her younger and healthy self, does she count as daughteru or auntie?
>>47640659We should do some variation of this. We need to let this queen know we are here to help and can provide life-saving treatment/help her build up a hive again.
>>47640694She's been half dead for unknown years, she might survive.
>>47640703Depends on who she is a daughter of. Imagine the family tree.
>>47640694>She looks like she would better serve as genetic blue prints, the memories and genetic knowledge she could have would super useful. Would be nice to heal her if we can but come on now guys, she is kinda half dead.Pls, she's just injured. We can fix that with a pod. And get all the genetic data at the same time without problem too.There's only slight logistics issue of getting her into one, but it's pretty doable.
>>47640711m8 family trees can't exactly be complicated in a race of parthenogenic females
>>47640664It's posted at the start of virtually every single thread, and more importantly, the pastebin linked at the top of every goddamn thread has a list of nearly every scouted planet in excruciating detail.
>>47640731Guess what wasn't posted last thread? The goddamn complete map you mong
>>47640711>>47640723Family tree of hives is pretty simple yeah but in different ways depending on how we look at it.>straight up offspringsGiven that they only have one parent, it's very straightforward hierarchy with no intertwining.>trades of genetic data counts as relationshipBecause that's what two-partner reproduction does essentially.In that case, the map of the tree is just entirely flushed.
>>47640741No shit, sherlock, do you know what 'virtually' means?
>>47640625"The Obsidian Queen was attending to this planet. There was a signal.""Yes. My defenses are dwindling, but they are still sufficient. I hide, and only when they come close do I strike." She says. You feel glimpses of her remaining forces. Ships, many stripped of their drives and armor, little more than railguns facing the sky in random directions hidden across the continent." Your wasp takes flight, buzzing to the ground in front of her. You are unsure of her ranking among the old queens of your mother's generation, but she is still an elder. The wasp huddles to the ground near her.Up close you can see the muted greys of her carapace. Like layers of dust, her color long lost from her chitin."The Obsidian Queen." She says, thinking. "The Black Queen. The Betrayer. Yes. This is how I came to be here. But now you are here, you fought her? Drove her away?" She looks into your wasp's eyes with sincerity. "Does she still live?"Your own indignance over the Obsidian Queen's acts betray your answer."I see." She says in silence.>Speak (write in)>Ask about the locals>Ask about herself, and her dynasty>Offer to heal her wounds
>>47640771>Ask about herself, and her dynasty>Offer to heal her wounds
>>47640771>>Ask about herself, and her dynasty>>Offer to heal her wounds
>>47640771>Offer to heal her wounds.For the psionic stealth, and while we wait for the pod.>Ask about herself, and her dynasty.
>>47640771>Ask about herself, and her dynastyIF we can, and I mean IF without fucking us over then we heal her.
>>47640771>>Ask about the localsThe Gray Queen.
>>47640771>>Speak (write in)It was difficult to find you. It was difficult for the betrayer to find you. Unusually difficult. How did you do it?
>inb4 she betrays us later on
Anyone else hear this queen's voice as that old alien from the new Starwars? The tiny one at the bar? No? I'll just be going....
>>47640771>>Offer to heal her wounds [DO THIS FIRST!]then>Ask about herself, and her dynasty
>>47640771>in order:>Heal her wounds>then keep her talking while we move our guys in position to do so; ask about her and her dynasty.
>>47640780>>47640783>>47640787>Our sins are my prison. If you have heard me, help them."The penitent queen doesn't want to be healed. She doesn't deserve it.
>>47640833The penitent queen can get off her ass and actively repent instead of feeling sorry for herself in a hole.
>>47640833Then she'll just refuse. It doesn't hurt to offer. The most important thing is that we get as much info off of her is she wants to an hero.
>>47640833She can an hero all she likes, later. But we'll restore her dignity first.
>>47640771>>Speak (write in)"Do you understand the reason mother kept me in protective ignorance of the enemy?"
>>47640833Well then that bitch had better suck it up and accept that we're patching her up, whether she thinks she deserves it or not. I could care less about her guilt complex, I want an aunty to back us up when we take a hammer to the OQ's kneecaps.
>>47640598>"You are of the White Queen." She says finally. "Then she has failed." Her head falls back to the layers of cloth of cushion with a heavy thud.f-fugAfter that description of the state of her body this nearly brought a tear to my eye.
>inb4 she's the one that invented the psy network bomb thing and shown it to OQ before the latter's betrayal
>>47640886Well she had to do something to get Mother pissed at her.
>>47640886Or perhaps the whole root of the crystals shindig.
>>47640886She needs to repent REALLY hard then.
>>47640902We'll get a paddle?
>>47640899>>47640886Or maybe she's OQ's mom.
If she is a psionic master she can help us with lee's condition.
>>47640871I swear this is basically That Argument all over again.We do not need two queens. We need more biomass, more metals, and more knowledge. She can only provide that last thing, and odds are will do so willingly without conditions.Once she gives us that she's no more helpful than a newborn daughter and the same arguments apply. Cute as a button, but virtually zero tactical value to having a 'second queen' on our side. Are you a pro-daughter anon? Are you?
>>47640886>>47640889>>47640899>>47640902>>47640908>>47640914We can more thoroughly interrogate her once she's in a fit state. As it stands the stress of recall alone might kill her.
>>47640771Your mind presses her for answers, her mind too weak to offer a full impression of her own identity."You were the Gray Queen?" You ask. A torn wing fidgets on her back."No." She thinks. "I was her daughter. I watched, only recently having laid my first clutch, as the Gardener gave word of your mother's departure." There is some nostalgia drifting through her mind. A bitter sweet toxin that feels smothering as it wafts through your mind. "I even claimed on of her worlds in the following reclaiming. I became my own after that. I rose above the others, my sisters, my cousins under the Grey Queen. This world was mine when your mother abandoned it. I fought for it. I earned it." She sends her mind to distant battles long ago, glory claimed in orbit as her newly born ships burned the sky and fell the bidding forces of her sisters, all vying for the resource rich system's jewel of a world."It did not last." She says as the memories fade. "I held myself high, the best of my mother's lineage, and I could do nothing as their minds were burned to nothing in front of me." Her claws shake, and she reaches to her head, caressing the wounds along her antennae. "I... broke my mind to save myself. I left them behind. Cut them all out of my mind. Cut out their screams." You catch the passing glimpses, arriving unbidden as quickly as they are banished from her thoughts. The relay behind her is all she can speak with, her mental voice echoing from it like the whispers of a ghost. "Then, she came for me. For any still left. I fought for this world, for my world, but it was not enough. I could not control my children, my voice was too weak for them to hear." She looks around the room, as if she expects to see the crash site as her memories give flashes of a falling ball of fire, a great flaming heap of flesh tumbling to the ground."I landed not far from here, and they found me, brought me here, made this place around me. I gave them what I could to help them."Cont.
>>47640944anon, there's a huge taboo against queen killing. There's a big difference between deciding not to have a daughter, and allowing an elder queen to die in both human and hive morality. The tactical and knowledge information this queen can provide are potentially greater than a daughter would provide. The info may not be able to be accessed or reliable while she is in such a critical condition. I'm not pro-daughter, (nor am I the anon from before), but I am pro saving this queen. Unless she genuinely wishes to die (after providing us with all possible info) we should save this auntie.
>>47640969>"I... broke my mind to save myself. I left them behind. Cut them all out of my mind. Cut out their screams." You catch the passing glimpses, arriving unbidden as quickly as they are banished from her thoughts. The relay behind her is all she can speak with, her mental voice echoing from it like the whispers of a ghost.Thats one way. I guess it's always good to have kill switches in your relays nowadays.
>>47640969guess we will have to give her psionic defenses if we want her to last, maybe a trade for anything else she has.
>>47641001Its not killing if she willingly gives her self to us, though im not sure if this stubborn old bug will do something like that. I wonder what fun new techs we can come up with after studying those weird notskryll she has tending to her.
>>47641004No, anon.She broke her relay. The bit of her body connected right to her mind that lets her command and control drones.It's like tearing out your tongue, your eyes, your ears. Everything, just to save yourself.
>>47641024Thats what I meant. Her ambassador must have been captured along with all the others and thats why she was subjected to the psionic attack. If her ambassador relay could have self-destructed then she wouldnt have needed to cut out part of her own brain.
>>47641001I never said to kill her, I said anon's logic was retarded:>I want an aunty to back us up when we take a hammer to the OQ's kneecaps.Also, you didn't even read that post. I said 'once she gives us' all her knowledge. That's it. That's all the help she can give us.
>>47640969I'm angry. Angry about OQ.
>>47641041Apologies anon, it's late.>>47641045So just so every anon is clear: We don't plan on killing her unless she explicitly asks for it, right?
>>47641062> We don't plan on killing her unless she explicitly asks for it, right?We dont.
>>47641062Never a queen killer. If she wants to suicide we can (maybe) provide her with the means. We will never stoop to the level of the betrayer, the Obsidian Queen. No, not even for a moment.
>>47641062pretty much yeah, though we should not let her mind(biomass) go to waste once we are finished here with her.
Oh yes it's hereHive queen questAm i late Where is thread 44.1?
>>47641045So wanting to murder or let die the last surviving elder queen who can provide us with info on the OQ and become a powerful ally is the same as creating a vassal queen in a strategically untenable situation with only about 2 habitable worlds to give her? Fuck off anon, this one is worth far more to us alive and healthy than otherwise.
>>47641062We're not planning on killing her period.
>>47641088Thank you! Finally, someone who understands the full strategic, not to mention political and moral, benefits of saving this queen.
>>47641086i dunno lol
>>47641088If she wants to die then we shouldnt stop her, if she wants to live and proves trustworthy then heal her. Either way the biomass shouldnt be wasted. If we "revive" her she is on her own in terms of maintenance, dont bog us down anon with another empire's upkeep.
So looking at the anti-ceph Swarm Corvette on the talk page, I think one of the swarm missiles should be replaced by G-field sensors.>>47640969God damn, have a pod carrying a medical vat and a speaker get there ASAP.
>>4764108644. got split into several smaller threads over a couple of days IIRC. http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest
>>47640969"They hear me, but are not a part of me. They choose to obey. I help them to keep her away, and they follow my instructions." She says. A shaking claw reaches out to your wasp. "My children are gone. My fleets, ruins. I was a Queen, I held this system and others, commanded a grand fleet and the respect of my sisters. Now I am a barren mother. A Queen of nothing.""My hive has learned much." You say as thoughts of your genetic mastery floats from your mind to hers. "You could be reborn." A trembling claw knocks over the wooden bowl beside her."And become the pawn of another queen a thousand years and more my younger." You feel her recoil with disgust, but not at the proposition, it is directed to herself. Her thoughts stumble. "I am sorry." She thinks with clear sincerity. "My exile has made me bitter and insolent. My place is clear, you are my superior and I will support you as such, but I am not ready to take on the mantle of the White Queen's lineage." She says, her head slowly falling back to rest on the pillows around her. She shifts her head to loot to your drone."I have seen the downfall of the last Great Queens, and the corruption of one of our greatest to the enemy." She says. "But today, I have seen hope for the first time in over a thousand years. Ask, and I will answer.">Ask about your mother>Ask about the Black Queen>Ask about the locals>Other (write in)
>>47641154>>Ask about your mother>>Ask about the Black QueenWhere did you all come from? What was it like before the Black One's Betrayal?
>>47641154I hope you're not ignoring the healing and it's coming afterwards. The heal part of my vote certainly had precedent over the infodump.>Ask about your mother>Ask about the Black Queen
>>47641088>>47641110Are you half-asleep? Can you not read? Literally everyone wants to obtain this queen's knowledge, since that's the only valuable thing she has left.Fortunately queen's knowledge is stored in genetic memory like the Gardener's, so life isn't necessary for that. It would be nice if she lived. But it's not necessary or strategically important.
>>47641154>Ask about the Black Crystals & White Crystal TechnologySome serious mysteries here.
>>47641135So the only intrinsic worth of any object or character in this quest is in the raw biomass required to fund it? Nigga we are literally moving throwing kilotons of the stuff into whatever strikes our fancy, investing in an ally to start up her own resource gathering and who will forever be indebted to us for it is would be the smartest way we've ever decided to spend it.
>>47641154Supporting this >>47641191Literally everyone else who knows is either dead or not talking to us about it
>>47641154>>Ask about the localsThe stealth technology. We must mimic it. It is paramount to our war against the traitor.
>>47641154>Ask about the Black Queen>Ask about the locals
>>47641183>Literally everyone wants to obtain this queen's knowledge, since that's the only valuable thing she has left.They also want to heal her, did you not see the votes.
>>47641154Ask about Gardener's work with the Skyl. Mention the Skyl are re-born, and Gardener's prototype was activated by one Human.Ask about the dark ones from the void.The other stuff is good too, but these are more pressing and give more context to something where we have very little.
>>47641154>OtherI am not offering to raise you as my pawn, I am offering to undo the damage caused by our mutual enemy and try to rebuild part of the civilization that she destroyed. I am offering to return you to your status as a worthy heir of the grey queen and my peer.
>>47641213Don't tell them the name of the species, just that non-hive live had received psionic implantation, we can clue her in later when she learns to give up her pride and learn the art of the cheeky.
>>47641154Can we not ask about all of these things?>>47641191While your point does have merit your insistence on being "right" makes it just sound like the anons who want this quest to turn into a bug family management sim.>>47641213>>47641186Both are good question lines.>>47641202I cant support this harder or id sound like the daughter fanatics.>>47641225IF we can even do so.
>>47641183>Fortunately queen's knowledge is stored in genetic memory like the Gardener'sWrong, wrong, wrong. The only part of a queens memory stored genetically is the ones of genetic and biological adaptations and engineering created by her mother queen. The only reason we got the Gardener's memories of the fall is because she stored it on a memory crystal with help from a skyl scientist.
>>47641173>Where did you all come from?They don't know either.They hatched in a fucking Ark, remember.All of this has happened before.
>>47641154Ask about her repulsive aura
>>47641154>Ask about your mother>Ask about the Black Queen>>47641213This sounds like a good idea too. Give her more hope. Let her know some of what has transpired in at least recent years.>>47641191Yeah, I support this as well. Let's approach this cautiously, though. We don't want to see disrespectful or that we will be using her as a pawn. Mutual respect and trust is the best basis for a long-term beneficial relationship in this case.And with that, fair anons and drones, I must sleep and bid you goodnight.
>>47641191That makes no goddamn sense.>investing in an ally to start up her own resource gathering and who will forever be indebted to us for it is would be the smartest way we've ever decided to spend it.No it wouldn't. You can spend the exact same amount investing in your own growth for the exact same payoff, if not more of one due to being a single unified hive.I swear it's like people keep confusing a 4X for a JRPG. The word "allies" sounds nice but for us they're only valuable if they bring something to the table we can't make ourselves, like knowledge or inimitable expertise. Any new ally, who starts from zero, their growth is competing with the hive's own growth, it's the same resources going around that everyone has to share. It's not like they're making anything out of thin air.There's zero advantage to having more cooks managing this war soup, we have no limit on Thinker delegation or population growth but biomass.If you want to play house and add her to our Party Members just because you really like her say so, but don't pretend there's tactical value in letting her rebuild an army that we could build ourselves instead.
>>47641336Are you the same anon who kept going ballistic when we opted to not go full zerg on the Union and wipe them all out? You sound like him.
>>47641252You're half wrong and half right. The Betrayal memories were from the memory crystal. But the Gardener's DNA contained knowledge of things which weren't put there by her mother before the Ark set out. It included things copied from the native Ralighan life, things the Gardener learned/invented after she was born. >>37030164
>>47641336The knowledge of tactics and experience of hive vs hive combat is valuable, as is the ability to confer with another being that understands our abilities 100% and could potentially offer suggestions or critique on any kind of new forms of warfare, having experienced it.
>>47641363Yes, like I said, genetic and biological engineering knowledge. Anything more complex than that requires an intact nervous system to hold.
>>47641336Allies provide valuable advice, wisdom, experience, and a different outlook. Having allies we can turn to in areas we are less expert in is very useful. Theseus, for example, can provide us with very solid Union political advice and gave us access to (for example) the Union-Commonwealth diplomacy station. Having another queen means we get advantages from her growth in new areas that we don't have to invest time and resources ourselves into doing. Besides which the Red Queen is probably lonely. This isn't just a strategy involved, there's characterization here. I don't think she's ready to get rid of the only friendly queen (equal) she's ever met.
>>47641154"You knew the White Queen?" You ask."We all did. She led us. Her strength and her cunning was our last hope to survive." She says. There is some reservation in the statement. "But she was cold. Distant from us. She produced no daughters, refused to partake in the meeting of dynasties. She would hold tight to her control, but she never truely cared for the plights of any one Queen or bloodline." Her thoughts have an almost frightened reverence in them. "She was born in war, her and her sister. They were two of a kind, alike and inseparable, for a time.""The White Queen had a sister?" You ask. Her thoughts already drifting over the memory of a face, but you are confused as it becomes crisp."Yes. The Black Queen. Both born in war, they were the only among us who had seen the enemy themselves, when my mother was but a cocoon, sealed away and sent adrift with the others. The two Queens were our navigators and our protectors."Your mind races with questions of the ark, of the black queen before the betrayal. She stops you with a silent thought of patience."The Black Queen was fervent in her role. She dedicated herself to battle, to fighting our enemy, seeking them and their slaves out wherever she could. The Skyl, and the Ceph after them." She says. "It was her plan to free the Skyl. The White Queen found it repulsive, the idea of working with the evolved tools used to fight us was as insane as embracing the mad drones of your enemies. That was the start of the schism. The two divided, and departed, but your mother was a firm leader, and in the end, most of the queens sided with her, for a time. The Skyl worked with us, some more than others, but never with her. She never trusted them, not until the day their world burned for our act of kindness, and the last skyl died for the freedom we tried to give them. She still did not trust them."cont.
>>47641381>the Red Queen is probably lonelyWell, since we are the ones playing as the Red Queen, I wouldn't say we're lonely. There are overwhelmingly many factions and individuals at play in this sector. It does kind of suck to be the only remaining member of your race that isn't a genocidal maniac, but, hey, there's this one now, which is nice.
>>47641417>>47641381>the Red Queen is probably lonelyWell now we know we take after our Mom.
>>47641391mom was kind of a bitch.
>>47641391Wow mom, wow
>>47641428She was impartial in a society where family feuds were fought over planets. I'd say she was just busy with her work.
>>47641391>Yes. The Black Queen"I am your AUNT!">She never trusted them, not until the day their world burned for our act of kindness, and the last skyl died for the freedom we tried to give them. She still did not trust them.I'm not sorry for what we've done.>>47641428>mom was kind of a bitch.Leaving a psionic beacon on Luna with the intent of stealing the psionic canon research from the humans who would later be guided to complete it wasn't enough of a giveaway?She seemed right proper imperial, honestly.
>>47641391>It was her plan to free the Skyl. The White Queen found it repulsive, the idea of working with the evolved tools used to fight us was as insane as embracing the mad drones of your enemies.Huh, interesting to see how we drastically departed from Mom's opinion in that.But well, kids like to do that.
>>47641391Dang, this is one hell of a bombshell. Wonder what happened to the Black Queen that prompted her to completely invert her personality.
>>47641447She was born of the original Hives from far away. She probably saw a lot of shit.
We could offer to heal her in exchange for her tech.
>>47641456>It's not just a phase, mom!
>>47641391"Over time the two Queens drifted further apart. The Black Queen continued to offer more solutions, more plans of attack. The White Queen continued to isolate herself, abandoning tradition, dismissing requests for aid or judgment, only speaking with us to warn us away from our latest plans. We would ask her why, and she would tell us only that the knowledge would destroy us. Eventually, we went on without her. The Black Queen's experiments, her research, they offered us hope, a way to attack them directly." Her head rocks in its place on the pillows. "She was right. When we sought to attack them, to reach out at them to strike, we only let them reach us." She turns back to your wasp in silence."Knowledge is power, this is true, but it brings with it a great risk. Some things must be seen in order to see. To attack, they must be attacked. To exist, you must hold them in your mind. That is the nature of our enemy. That is what she understood, and she knew that telling us would only place us in greater danger. She could only look on as we ignored her, knowing we were lost the moment we made our first move. That, I realize now, is why she left us as our weapon grew closer to completion.">Tell her of your resurrection of the Skyl>Ask more questions (write in)>Other
>>47641447>She seemed right proper imperial, honestly.I hear both of them as high-class british in my head, so it fits.
We must have inherited our paranoia from her.
>>47641212Anon pointed out "queen who can provide us with info", and implying someone wanted to murder or let this queen die and her knowledge with her. Which no one wanted.Even the most heartless pragmatist wants her to share her knowledge before she an heros.
Unrelated topic: since the scavengers pretty much steal most of their tech from other civs, maybe they stole blaster technology from someone else as well? I wonder how many civs they met before us or the humans.
>>47641474>>Tell her of your resurrection of the Skyl>>what was your weapon?
>>47641474>Tell her of your resurrection of the Skyl
>>47641474>Tell her of your resurrection of the SkylAnd get the pod here already, we must have sent the order to at least bring it on the planet.
>>47641474>>Tell her of your resurrection of the SkylLet her know we shall have vengeance. On our aunt and on the Void-things
>>47641474>>Tell her of your resurrection of the Skyl>>OtherI have ressurected the Skyl with more free will than they ever have, and I am willing to do the same with you. What I am offering you is not to recreate you as my pawn, but to restore you to your former glory as befitting of the heir of the Gray Queen. I wish to see you if not my equal than at least my peer, to restore some of what the betrayer has stolen from us.
>>47641474>>Tell her of your resurrection of the Skyl>>Ask more questions (write in)Can we bargain you for your psionic cloaking tech?Also no wonder the others didn't like mom. She became one of those paranoid conspiracy theorists that turned out to be right.
>>47641474>We would ask her why, and she would tell us only that the knowledge would destroy us.This is reason enough to kill all the humans messing with the fucking void shards. I guess that's a good reason mom made the Humans research the canon.
>>47641474>Tell her of your resurrection of the Skyl>Ask more questions (write in)"How did the black queen turn?"
>>47641474>Tell her of your resurrection of the Skyl>Ask more questions (write in)How did the Black Queen fall?Ask for advice on how to deal with the Black Queen.
>>47641491We know what the weapon was you genius.We have the records, the early draft blueprints. We also saw the Gardener talk about it in the memory before the betrayal.
>>47641474>"Sounds like Vaughn's theory was correct.">Tell her of your resurrection of the Skyl>Tell her of other space faring civilizations that arose in the meantime.
>>47641474>Tell her of your resurrection of the SkylDid she just admit the moment we bring her back to spec, the crystals will automatically lock on her?Since the only reason they cant track her is because she ripped out her own relay? and she has been exposed to the crystals before?
>>47641474>>Ask more questions (write in)DEM STEALTH TECHS THOall dat psychic static
>>47641521>"How did the black queen turn?"This. (Although I guess it's obvious, she was going to fight the fire, but the fire consumed her.)Tell her of the Skyl and the others. The Ceph are still around, too, bastards.
>>47641551that's from the local isn't?
>>47641534Not yet, when she regains her space traveling capabilities do we introduce her to the world of politics and cheekyness.
>>47641531Then what was it? If I'm remembering correctly it wasn't the shard canon.
>>47641551Offer to heal in exchange for her tech. That way she doesn't have to feel indebted to us or under our rule. She could be more like an advisor and ally.
>>47641570Healing her can be dangerous, with the dangerous knowledge she has. She and the others looked into the abyss.The only payment she needs is the OQ's cries of frustration.
>>47641569It is the psi cannon matewe ended up seeing everyone bring up the psi cannon and how when they use it they brought the crystals right to themselvesThat's why we never research the damn thing
>>47641520What if we miss some that survive?We'll have to start glassing the human planets.It's the only way to be sure.
>>47641610No I mean the small handful in Union government responsible for the Mirage. The humans are going to bring certain doom to the sector, and it will be their own damn fault.
>>47641589>Healing her can be dangerous, with the dangerous knowledge she hasGood point, but do we know that for certain? I mean as long as she doesn't connect back to whatever caused the attack and maintains her own separate network like we do, she should be safe.Otherwise we could trade our other tech for her tech. I really want to speed up our research and become the most advanced civilisation.
>>47641615Exactly. What if we don't get all of them?They're too dangerous to live. We'll have to make sure there's nowhere to hide.
>>47641610>>47641615Nah don't worry guys The humans aren't actually capable of visualize the crystals since they don't have psi ability In all likelihood we would just need to kill a human cult
>>47641615We'll either need to open contact and make a trade for all the crystals they have, or just go help the commonwealth defeat them and take their stuff during the invasion.>>47641630>as long as she doesn't connect back.We might need to trade her psionic defense if we want her healed.
>>47641630>we know that for certainThe real question is, do you know it's safe for certain.The burden of proof is on the blindly trusting in untested measures side.
>>47641474Your mind gives her images of Heretic, of the clone Skyl, the habitat within the drive ship filled with homes and flying Skyl. She looks up to you with surprise."They live?" She says. "That is good. Your mother was right about many things, but the Skyl did not deserve their fate. In the end they fought with us to the last. They watched their world burn, and thought it was better than the service they had known.""How did the Black Queen turn mad?" You ask. Her thoughts are muddied for some time, looking for an answer."Both her and your mother were born before the ark left the space of the ancient hives. They were born as it departed, fleeing from the maw of the abyss." She says. "I do not know the details, only that it changed them. The Black Queen's fervor became her undoing. Her plans brought her closer and closer to the enemy, and when the time came to strike, when the abyss opened and the time to attack came, she looked away, and let it devour her."You press for more, but foggy thoughts pour over her mind. "I do not know more of the details, and I do not wish to. It was her understanding that drove her mad. I am sorry."cont.
We also need to tell Vaughn that humans incapability to hold psionic information is the greatest blessing they have received.
>>47641652How can we trust the skyl? How can we trust the humans?I don't think the problem is with this queen's intention, she obviously is an enemy of the OQ. The only unknown is whether whatever attacked her originally can still do so if she is healed again.
>>47641381>Having another queen means we get advantages from her growth in new areas that we don't have to invest time and resources ourselves into doing.>don't have to invest time and resources What.The queen has an infinite attention span and has access to the same resources this pity-ally does. It's not like they have access to resources we don't.
Where the fuck are we going to move her to? We can't let her build a hive here, Aunty will send fleets here and pulverize the place Maybe we place her in the gardener old turf and have her guard our flank against the scavs?
>>47641678What do you even think you're replying to?
>>47641694She doesn't want to move. She wants to hide in her hole until the OQ is dead or whatever.She is the NEET Queen.
>>47641694She was fine sitting there for years.We can just let her keep managing her slice of the planet while we establish foothold on the rest of the system and rebuff OQ from trying for it in the future (like we would even without the old queen here)
>>47641707Shes going to be back on the crystals radar once we repair her relay Wait we going to need to install a psi shroud around her aren't we?Do we have a spare dead shard lying around?
>>47641733We might have to give our only shard to her.
>>47641694She's fine right where she is man, if the OQ couldn't bombard her out of existence when given 1,000s of years of orbital control then she isn't going to succeed if we leave a naval force to defend her, or if we trade her knowledge of our potent planetary defense systems.
>>47641665You hear a shimmy across a floor. Your drone twists its head and a slender figure rushes away into a corridor. Your drone turns back to the barren queen with the unspoken question."They are the stepchildren of your mother." She says. "This is what she spent her time with. I heard it was the Gardener that had inspired it, when she began toying with the things that lived in her garden. The White Queen asked for her aid in a matter. It was one of the few times she included others in her plots that I know of. I do not know the details, but soon after, your mother began finding other creatures. Single minded races like the Skyl, nearly born, but not yet formed from the womb of their world. She found several scattered across this region. These were one of the first. She gave them a great gift of the mind, which has allowed me to hide here for all this time. I could teach you...""You say there were others.""Other attempts. Of the half-beasts found across these stars, she only seemed to pay mind to two. The Phantoms that live here, who she taught to hide from the minds of others, and the Blind, who she robbed of true sense, sealing their minds away forever in the tomb of their own bodies. I cannot fathom why she would do such a thing, to bring a lower race under your care, and then carve out such a part of their minds is a cruel thing.""Do you know where these Blind were found?" You ask. She thinks hard on the matter."A small blue world with far too much water, and a single, unusually large satellite. Not far from the Skyl homeworld, surprisingly.">Ask more questions (write in)>Add Psionic Cloaking as a boosted research subject, and ask her to teach you>Other (write in)
>>47641748HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAI FUCKING KNEW ITNO ONE BELIEVED ME, BUT I KNEW IT!
>>47641748>Add Psionic Cloaking as a boosted research subject, and ask her to teach youSo humans are the Blind? She may have fucked also with the talderians and valen then And what about that near sentient we saw in the pet shop? her doing i guess
>>47641748Well obviously. It was so that they could gaze into the abyss FOR her, without being able to see.>>Add Psionic Cloaking as a boosted research subject, and ask her to teach you
>>47641748>"A small blue world with far too much water, and a single, unusually large satellite. Not far from the Skyl homeworld, surprisingly."AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHTHAT ONE ANON WAS RIGHTAND I WAS WRONGfukme i guess
>>47641748"You will be glad to know that the blind have reached FTL capabilities.">Add Psionic Cloaking as a boosted research subject, and ask her to teach you for the healing.>>47641766HE TIRED TO TELL USBUT WE DIDN'T LISTEN!
>>47641776Explains the half ass ceph raids being done on the humans then The crystals cant even figure out what is there in the first place
>>47641748>Add Psionic Cloaking as a boosted research subject, and ask her to teach you
>>47641748TELL VAUGHN AND THE OTHERS THE GOOD NEWS!CRAZY ALIEN MAN WAS RIGHT!
>>47641748>Add Psionic Cloaking as a boosted research subject, and ask her to teach youIT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A WARNING NOT A PROPHECY
>>47641748Would be great if we just started hysterically laughing, confusing NEET queen, Vaughn and Lee.
>>47641748>>Add Psionic Cloaking as a boosted research subject, and ask her to teach you>>Other (write in)Offer again to rebuild her, not as a pawn but as a peer and fellow queen. We want to reclaim and rebuild what the Betrayer took from us as a civilization, not just a single hive.
>>47641748>I cannot fathom why she would do such a thing, to bring a lower race under your care, and then carve out such a part of their minds is a cruel thing.Ultimately it was the Blind who perfected the weapon, and used it on themselves in one of their many wars.I guess this is something we've known for a while but haven't understood the implications of. The humans were able to use the void shards without the void gods coming to slap their shit. Or maybe it's a matter of time?
>>47641748>>Add Psionic Cloaking as a boosted research subject, and ask her to teach you
>>47641748Is this cloaking only effective for hiding from other hives/psychic beings?Or does it work on all life?
>>47641815...derp I misread psicloak as psicannon>>47641748>Add Psionic Cloaking as a boosted research subject, and ask her to teach youRESEARCH
>>47641748>Other (write in)Just start laughing, freak everyone out.This is too awesome for me to handle.
>>47641748"How is it these Phantoms hide?" You ask, intrigued. She works to prop herself up."The powers of the mind are many and powerful. Our kind is still among the most attuned, but even we have fallen a long way from our old ways. Your mother saw the ancient queens and their true mastery. She knew secrets she never dared to show us, but this, I figured out myself." There is a hint of pride, withered and worn, but still there. "I will show you."And I think I'm going to have to call it here, since it's almost six in the morning.I'll try to stick around a bit longer for feedback, questions, designs, especially any feedback on how to keep fine tuning the new system.I addition, I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news is that I will be out of town all next week. The good news is that I'll be able to spend that time getting the crunch sorted and the star systems mapped out. I know that's not exactly an even trade, but still.
>>47641836But we already knew this.
Does this mean humanity is our older sibling then?And thesus is our nephew?
>>47641842So....Scouting pods next thread?In a single, no wait, copy paste series of posts?
>>47641842>especially any feedback on how to keep fine tuning the new system.How are you dealing with research and thinker counts in it?
>>47641842AW man that sucks.>>47641849We don't even need to adopt anyone, they are already part of the family.
>>47641842Thanks for running QD, but are we ever going to get a chance to heal this queen? If not to her original form at least to state befitting a proper friendly queen?
>>47641842If the WQ saw them, then the Black Queen also saw the ancients and knew secrets, then, surely.Did the Black Queen never share such secrets of the ancients? There couldn't be knowledge WQ had that BQ didn't if they were both awake before the Ark departed surely.
>>47641842Thanks for running QD
>>47641842So you're determined to keep HQQ on tg then?
>>47641866Crystal asshats probably suppress her from trying anything that would even try hiding her from them.
>>47641842Thanks for running!
>>47641880So that's what the whatdo was of eternally screaming in her mind so that their presence is never forgotten or ignored.
>>47641880Except there were thousands of years before the enslavement happened.During which she surely shared ancient secrets she knew.
I swear if this ends up with us learning of a man named jesus speaking with our mother before man reached the moon I might need to get surgery for my sides.Moving on from good news what do we do first next session?Prepare to invade OQ?Buy the Tannhauser system for the skyl?How we will get the crystal the union have?Can we create a defence pact with the commonwealth before war starts?>>47641842What would be Heretic, Theseus, Vaughn, lee and lyle's reaction be to crazy alien man being right?
>>47641814>>47641863It should be noted that in order to heal her, you would need to totally replace her egg sac. Essentially, this makes her your daughter in just about every way that is important to a Queen.While it's not out of the question, especially in her situation, it's still a very big decision. She has, more or less, said she needs to think about it.>>47641851Yes. I'll be sure to get that sorted out while I'm away.>>47641858At the moment, the same as always. I suppose we can assume that thinkers will increase with development score, or if you'd like, maybe add in a dedicated research budget, like the budget slider from Sword of the Stars, just pour more nutrients to research for more thinkers and faster science.Up to you really.>>47641879Yes. Not because /qst/ itself is bad, but simply because my players are here. I honestly don't see a reason to make everyone go to another board that everyone with otherwise ignore. Although my time running Cyberpunk Detective did make me realize how much I'd love a simple itallics option.
>>47641842Should we vote for landing level 1 espionage 'do nothing' sleeper hives onto all known planets?Is that a thing we can vote for yet? Laying groundwork?
>>47641918Wow, didn't know healing a queen would be that personal.
>>47641842So QD, CAN we have multiple pods exit together so that the wash of their entry radiation can be mistaken as that of a single ship'sOh and thanks for the thread boss.
>>47641918>maybe add in a dedicated research budget, like the budget slider from Sword of the Stars, just pour more nutrients to research for more thinkers and faster science.I'd be down for that. Anyone else have suggestions on what to "cap" the slider at?
>>47641943Well whats the cap for drones in a fully industrialized world?
>>47641918Should ship designs and fleet designs be on the designs pastebin so we know what's what?
>>47641932Well, I suppose on a human level this would be roughly analogous to having a surrogate birth your child or having your balls replaced with someone elses after losing them, but on a much more intensely personal level.
>>47641851>>47641918>Yes. I'll be sure to get that sorted out while I'm away.Yes, please. Also, while we're at it, can we send more pods further north beyond Theseus's worlds and further south where the scavengers came from.
>>47641918>At the moment, the same as always. I suppose we can assume that thinkers will increase with development score, or if you'd like, maybe add in a dedicated research budget, like the budget slider from Sword of the Stars, just pour more nutrients to research for more thinkers and faster science.>Up to you really.Perhaps put the thinkers on fleet/swarm mechanism?Have a unit of a bunch of thinkers and quantum thinkers that research one project at nominal speed, defined as getting close to the maximum grouping that can operate at top efficiency. Splitting attention is straightforward division, but to avoid bruteforcing some things, you could declare that stacking more thinkers on one thing has diminishing returns - 2 "think tanks" only get 1.5 speed; and to avoid further fractioning just say 4 think tanks is double speed and it won't go further?"Think tanks" are dedicated research centres, so they're counted separate from just general infrastructure thinkers, and we can vote how much we have and maintain.
>>47641918Can we add more scouting locations to your plate then while we're at it?Like, all of the spinward 'hive space' stars?
>>47641918Can we begin construction of raiding ships for OQ?And put them in automation so they constantly pester her?
>>47641842You know, as an aside, Ender's Game did an ehhh okay job at their human characters but goddamn did they give us a cute queen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPcqVHZo22M>>47641918Interesting, that means that if this Queen takes us up on the offer we could have a chance to work out how we might synergize best with future daughterus.
>>47641937Yea, I'd ask for a roll, but it could work.>>47641921Still working on the details, but I'll try to get the "beta" version up on the pastebin this week for you guys to judge yourselves.>>47641943A cap? Well... 100% of income?>>47641956Yes, I will try to update the pastebin with all the "official" designs you guys have voted to make. That will be the list I pull from for militia and automatic drone production, so if you don't see a design that should be there just bug the crap out of me until I get it fixed.>>47641970Uh... sure.>>47641976Absolutely, feel free to discuss whatever you want to start building.
>>47641996I'd like to send a cloaked pod to spy on Valen gate construction at the skyl homeworld.
>>47641996>Ship building.Oh god not that, I'm horrible at building drones.can you answer this question if you can?>>47641909
>>47642019In order to answer your question maybe it would be best to tell them and see for ourselves.
>>47642045That's what i want but we might not be able to do it next thread.
>>47642009We already do that.Like. Dozens of threads ago. It was one of the first.
>>47642056Suppose you'll have to make a reminder~
>>47642076But we don't really pay close attention to that gate. Valens usually guard the secrets of warp gates closely, and this could be one of our best chances to get a bit of knowledge out of them for some time.
>>47642101If they guard the secrets of their gates closely, we can assume they aren't broadcasting the particulars of their construction openly into Tannhauser's orbit.
>>47642136>>47642101is it yet time for more sneaky cheeky?
>>47642136I think he means watching them assemble it and creating a theory on how it works.
Anyone willing to build raiding ships since I'm retarded?
>>47642182Wish I could help anon, but alas, I am also retarded.
>>47642182>>47642213How many retards we got on this ship anyhow?
>>47642182Well, what exactly do you want them to actually do and be capable of? You could also have a look at the proposed ship designs on the wiki, there's a decent possibility that there's a design on the wiki that can do it.
>>47642232I want them to be fast, hard hitting, cheap and disposable with self-destruction capabilities so OQ can't get any tech. But i understand if not all of my requirements can be met.
>>47642282Nah, your going about it wrong.What you need is something with dedicated alpha strike abilities, coupled with heavy as shit shielding, a massive energy bank/capacitors for its size and then several varients of jump drives to cycle between.Jump with hive drive, open fire, while fire is open we are already charging the second drive type, copying one of the other species, thus moving in an unpredictable manner to fuck up preemtive firing. Need about 4 jump drives per ship of various types we can cycle. The shielding buys each jump time to seqwuay into the next.
>>47642370Just dont make the ships too large and we should be fine. Can overload the multiple warpdrives to blow up and randomly scatter the remains over the course of several light years of space.
>>47642282>fastOkay, well we don't really have any means of speeding up our craft aside from cutting down on their weight, usually in the form of armor. So a fast ship would be one with little to no extra armor.>hard-hittingThat is a matter of which weapon mounts used, but we can boost their effectiveness with fusion generators, which convienently allows them to self destruct rather spectacularly. I suppose you could also add missile pods, but those are fucking expensive both to build and fire, so you would want to keep them to a minimum.>cheap and disposableThe biggest contributors to a ships cost in my experience is the armor, missile pods, and spinal hangars (which are just a fuckton of swarm hangars and docking bays where the spinal mounted gun would be) so avoid using those.Now the big question for you is whether these things should be shielded, or cloaked, because they can't be both.
>>47642370Good idea but those ships seem expensive and filled with tech, it would be bad if OQ manages to salvage one. But maybe we can add them to the regular raiding fleets so they are the ships that pack a punch while the other cheaper ships act as targets/strike craft that can zerg rush anything dangerous and detonate.
>>47642370I feel that lighter, cheaper raiders will be more cost-effective. Sure, your idea would be devastating, but it would cost a bomb, be expensive to create and to maintain, and take much longer to grow/resupply. When i get home and onto my computer instead of my phone, i'll put together some cheapass raider fleets and a single superheavy raider fleet for comparison.
>>47642370You are overlooking some of the fundamental limitations of the blink drive. Using it invariably requires a long ass period of time to spool the drive and calculate the route, during which the ship is basically dead in the water (or space). Getting around that would require swapping their drives with something else, like a warp drive.
>>47642415Well the cloak vs shields decision depends on what we are targeting, if we fight something that can destroy our ships easily we will need cloak to sneak up and cripple it. But if we are fighting many small ships we will need shields to last longer.
>>47642422>>47642428We are outfitting our ships with self destruct anyway, so its all moot on the tech front apart from the combat data. But even then, thats just a random choice we can change at our leisure.Cheap ships as meatsheilds for the heavy strike force works. If nothing else they can bait the opponent out of position for the heavys to inflict damage.>>47642437We know of several methods of FTL and sublight propulsion, and can probably work on more if we need to. Some of our tech is not really suitable but the rest could be viable for this strategy.The likely response to a light, cheap raid fleet is heavier and heavier defenses and more numerous fleets at each strategic point of interest, not to mention mines and other nasty surprises.Raiding will lead to a minor arms race, so we would probably shift to more expensive ships depending on the sites development and fleet composition.The problem we face is that we can not afford to lose ships easily. OQ outproduces us, so the long term economics will work out against us if our light fleet does not manage to inflict enough damage per ship lost.
Do note: OQ's stealth hull design that inhibits sensor arrays would be perfect for mines in a minefield while not needing an energy upkeep.
Raiding ships themselves give an advantage when we invade OQ, increasing in intensity when she tries to send reinforcements to whatever system we took, discouraging her from sending too much with the threat of taking another system. Or doing the opposite, stopping all raids for the psychological effect then sending all of them in one system as a second or third invasion force.>>47642486OQ has stealth ships? Or are you talking about those ships the cortez encountered that vent heat?
>>47642477The entire goal of raiding is hurting her industry so we take more planets from her, so at some point the raids will have to stop and the war will switch to space trench warfare.
>>47642517The ones we found this world with the old queen that had the weird, sensor absorbing hulls. We couldn't retreive anything.Point being if you encase a mine in sensor absorbant hull then its a bigger bitch to pick up before it gets close.
>>47642477>We know of several methods of FTL and sublight propulsion, and can probably work on more if we need to. Look, FTL and sublight propulsion is not something we can just get our thinkers to whip up in a week. It's a major cornerstone of any space capable civilization and the development is a once in a generational thing, even for Hive Queens. Espicially for Hive Queens. We could use the warp drive like the one on the orphan, but that would require us to buy massive amounts of canderon to fuel them all. Furthermore, your strategy as a whole is flawed, and not one I would support. You're talking about a protracted siege or possibly a blitzkrieg type battle of totally overwhelming enemy resistance in a given area with top quality (and thus expensive) units before rolling over the territory in front of them. We're talking about massive, fast moving, simultaneous raids on multiple targets with fast moving ships. Harrying the OQ's industry and logistical structures as a prelude to an actual invasion. We're not all that concerned about wiping out the fortified positions, that can be taken care of by the actual navy proper. This is just about blowing up the ships traveling between worlds and gas harvesting installations and the like, and getting out before the retaliatory fleet can arrive to blow us up. The most we'd be doing is ambushing her fleets in deep space and far from orbit.
>>47642537The primary goal of raiding is to force attention and resources elsewhere. Damaging industry is just gravy on top. A bonus prize.If you can send out 50 ships and tie up 200, forcing them to picket strategic positions that means 200 less ships to kill when the two main battle groups clash.
>>47642517>OQ has stealth ships? Or are you talking about those ships the cortez encountered that vent heat?Yes he is. In addition to heat venting (which is probably from the reducing the blink flash; some steam clouds are less noticeable); their carapace is some weird sensor-deflecting thing, likely analogous to modern radar-absorbing materials.
>>47642556Youve misconstrude me on this.I was not advocating any particular strategy, just on about using more expensive ships.I think youve lumped two different people together here.You have a point with the tech, but we know several species as contacts, and already have theirs. Varying exisitng tech is much easier and could fill the hole as a stop gap in the meantime.
>>47642537Space trench warfare?! Hell naw, man. Space blitzkrieg! Speed is the essence of war. If she's got the larger potential industrial base we focus on taking that away, if the fight draws on we'll need more and more worlds to play catch up while she just struts across those space trenches like a haughty bitch.
Hull: Frigate 800N 1600MSpinal Mounts (x1): Railgun (kinetic) 150MTurret (x6): Blasters 150MFixed (x8): Blasters 160MAuxiliary (x4): Blasters 40MArmor(s): StandardUtility: Rapid Damage Control 15N 20MUtility: Energy Shields 75N 225MCost: 890N 2345MUpkeep: 445NHull: Corvette 400N 800MSpinal Mounts (X1): Cyclotron Particle Beam 100MTurret (X2): Blasters 50MFixed (X2): Blasters 40MAuxiliary (X8): Blasters 80MArmor: StandardUtility: Energy Shield 50N 150MUtility: Rapid Damage Control 15N 20MCost: 465N 1240MUpkeep: 232NHarrassment Fleet 1-10 of these frigates, 15 of these Corvettes. Based around point defense with overwhelming quantities of blasters and kinetic strikes against planetary targets with the railguns. Hopefully a single capital can have its shields downed by weight of fire so the cyclotrons can burn them out and disrupt their counterattack. If theres something they can't easily crack that we need killed, then we leave a cloaked pod in-system as we bug out and then send in the heavy cavalry next time. This is not based around out-fighting something. It ducks in, fires on high-value ground-based targets and fucks off giggling while the bitch screeches with rage. If they do encounter something too strong for them, they are completely disposable.
>>47642458Okay, you want me to whip up a rough cut of a design along the lines we're talking about?
>>47642591Okay first of all, they should all have fusion generators. That will both boost the performance of all ship systems, most notably weaponry. Secondly, that's just too many blasters. They're okay as a general purpose mount, but we need a bit more variety. How about linear particle beams? They can fire constantly, making it easier to hit stuff with them, and they are more effective at tearing up armor. Otherwise, I'd say you're on the right track here.
>>47642558That is pretty much what i thought we would do.>>47642565I'm reading the last thread and I'm not seeing sensor-deflecting armor, just the human sensor system showing them as blurry which didn't happen to our ships.
>>47642571My apologies.>>47642580Hey you, we're not interested in space blitzkrieg. Blitzkrieg is only worthwhile as a strategy if you intend on holding the ground you've overrun. This is more like softening up the enemy before the actual invasion begins.
>>47642639http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/47517403/#p47522009>The hulls are soft and poorly formed, absorbing much of your traditional sensor attempts, as well as utilizing far less mass.
>>47642591>>47642632Here's something along the lines of what I was thinking would work best.Hull: Frigate 800N 1600MSpinal Mounts (x1): Railgun (kinetic) 150MTurret (x6): LPB 150MFixed (x8): Blasters 160MAuxiliary (x4): Auto Cannons 40MArmor(s): StandardUtility: Rapid Damage Control 15N 20MUtility: Energy Shields 75N 225MPower: Fusion Core 190N 950MCost: 1080N 3295MUpkeep: 540N
>>47642591>planetary targets.They are meant to destroy spaceships but we could build some in reserve for planet raids.Also there should be a cloak variant built around ambush and damage.>>47642632Fusion generator with self destruct orders if they are crippled and left behind should be standard on all of them.>>47642650I didn't notice that, we will need to capitalize on them being primitive while we still can, also get a research sample when we get the chance.
>>47642677LPB really only work for spinal or fixed mounts. Maybe cyclotrons for turrets instead
>>47642680Well a bomber varient would work for planets. Swoop in, drop payload and get out.Would need to be a heavy stealth varient and equiped with multiple fail safe self destructs though. Planetery defensive fortifications will be a bitch for any low orbit craft.
We also need to improve our income, but with us being so limited in expansion options i believe the best way to gain more resources is the valen market.
>>47642714Definitely multiple fail safes, I'm thinking quantum thinkers scattered around the ships hull with nukes and nano-bombs.
>>47642677And it's smaller cousin.Hull: Corvette 400N 800MSpinal Mounts (X1): Linear Particle Beam 100MTurret (X2): Blasters 50MFixed (X2): Blasters 40MAuxiliary (X8): Plasma Lance 80MArmor: StandardUtility: Energy Shield 50N 150MUtility: Rapid Damage Control 15N 20MFusion Core: 130N 650MCost: 595N 1890MUpkeep: 297N>>47642696The great thing about LPBs is that they're beam weapons that fire constantly, so hitting a target is as straightforward as simply tracking it. And hey, the Union uses them in fighter craft and in turrets to great effect. If you really think Cyclotrons would work better I can swap em out though.
>>47642728Tis a shame the Valen have no need for couches.
>>47642728Well considering our gate tech, it might be time to launch some deep space probes towards more distant stars. Scout out some potential worlds for resources and settlement, then port back the nutrients and metal we need.
>>47642750Definitely mass scouting OQ and surrounding systems, but the chance to find a planet not inhabited by enemies is very small so i still believe we need bigger trade with the valen.
So I had an idea for a stealthy parasitizing drone.A mod to the tail adaptation that the blade is replaced with a hypoblade that injects a parasite egg into the target, the egg growing into a full parasite by feeding off the bodies nutrients. An ovipositor like a real world wasp.The drone would be fly sized ideally or as small as a standard drone could go, stealthy with camouflage and mimetic skin. These Mosquito drones would sneak in to peoples homes or infect people alone at night.Seem feasible or just silly?
>>47642806You will have to ask QD that question, i would love it if we could build something like that, massively boost infiltration and just improve non hive live invasions.
>>47642806Probably feesable, but likely not to be implemented. Any kind of injection like that is prone to discovery when the unknown bug sting is inspected by medical personnel. Will work on less advanced societys though. Which reminds me: We could have a spore like parasite that grows on enemy drones/creep, appears as just a small bit of ragged/stray chitin (by causing the victims chitin to grow over the spore and shield it from detection). The spore has one job: Psyonics amplification at a special wavelength/frequency well outside normal communication use. Basically like strapping a loud speaker to the victim and then blasting it full volume with thoughts, forcing the drone into confusion and drowning out orders. Their weaker minds should crumple to it and the thinkers should be blocked out.When we invade a world we could douse the atmosphere with them mixed in with the usual bioagents and then activate them in a prolonged exposure when the full on assault begins in earnest. Might only work once or twice, but if we invade multiple worlds at once and succeed, then thats all we need it to.
>>47642806I think QD once suggested that injecting eggs into a human body willy nilly like that would be bad for the person, as hatching would cause catastrophic damage to the surrounding tissues. If you want stealthier parasites, why not just make a variant with wings? They already have the memetic skin and camo adaptations to escape CIT scans and the like, and being almost as stealthy and mobile as a fly means we could infest anyone who sleeps near an open window or air vent.
>>47642858They could also probably double team. One drone bites the neck to establish direct control, then the other goes to burrow in and heal behind itself. The control drone flies off.
>>47642943If the control drone can convincingly heal over the bite marks once it's done, that would be incredibly effective. Otherwise I guess we could get the flies to shoot up the victim soon to be adopted human,with a cocktail of anesthetics and paralysis drugs.
>>47642728We can easily expand south and south east.
Potential drone design:Short-circuit DroneSight: BasicOlfactory: BasicAcoustic: BasicRadio: Advanced 6N 3M (?)Electrical:Advanced 3N 2M (?)Psionic: BasicMandible: Biological Interface 20N (?)Blade: Combat 1NArms: Strength 1NLegs: Endurance 1NWings: Moderate flight 2NUtility: Acid Gland 1NUtility: Tail 6N (?)Blade: Hypodermic 1N (?)Carapace: Conductive 4N 15MCarapace: Bio-electrical 8N 15MChassis: Aerodynamic 4N 10MSize: Small (x.25)Cost: 14N 11MUpkeep: 7NA support drone meant to short-circuit electrical currents in enemy technology, such as disabling a command deck or a generator’s power. Maybe fry nerves for enemy drones.I'm making a lot of guesswork on this. The advanced electrical and radio senses would be to pinpoint electrical currents and machinery to disrupt, but I don't know if it needs to be advanced at all, or if radio is even needed. I put biological interface and a tail with hypodermic blade since I don't know if combat is sufficient. Very much a WIP.On another note, maybe we need more gunship designs. besides the shuttle, it has been the most neglected of the hull types.
>>47643153As a general rule of thumb, it's always a good idea to take a single specific role or niche you want a drone to fill and focus on it, rather than giving it a bunch of costly adaptations that it would never use in that role. Like, if this drone is designed to locate and jam radio signals, which think is the case, there is no need for biological interfaces or hypodermic tails. Those are purely for taking people down or jacking into their bodies. If you're trying to make an effective radio jammer, I'm not sure a small body size is the best way to go about it, especially since you can't add armor to small drones. Also if we're going with an aerodynamic body plan, which basically turns drones into airplanes, why not go for advanced wings?Don't let me discourage you though, this is a role we could probably use to great effect in our espionage attempts on the Union.
>>47643234Alright then.Sight: BasicOlfactory: BasicAcoustic: BasicElectrical: Moderate 2NPsionic: BasicMandible: Combat 1NBlade: Combat 1NArms: Strength 1NLegs: Endurance 1NWings: Moderate flight 2NUtility: Acid Gland 1NCarapace: Conductive 4N 15MCarapace: Bio-electrical 8N 15MChassis: Aerodynamic 4N 10MSize: Small (x.25)Cost: 6N 10MUpkeep: 3NAlready looks better.
Gunship design:FireshipHull: Gunship 60N 250MCapacity: 10/1Size: 30 MetersFixed: Plasma Lance 20MAuxiliary: Auto Cannon Alt. Ammo (incendiary) 20MMissile Cells: SwarmArmor: Conductive 45N 150MCost: 105N 440MUpkeep: 52NA gunship with emphasis on dealing thermal damage. Can be used to support ground forces. Might have some use against hive creep.
>>47643604Seems useful for the OQ creep, will definitely use in the invasion.
>>47643604If you intend to use that against OQ, I'd recommend you swap out the conductive armor for reflexive. She has not yet actually developed any energy weapons of her own, and instead relies entirely on kinetic based weaponry.>>47643270Looks a lot better, but why did you get rid of the advanced senses? I thought that would be one of the most important adaptations for it's role. Also we can't equip small drones with any form of protective armor, so there isn't much point in including a conductive carapace.
>>47643683The conductive carapace was because of potential energy damage it might receive from sabotaging power lines and the like. Plus it would also power the bio-electrical carapace as well.As for the ship, done. And I'll add it to the talk page.
>>47643819Good man, I was thinking we should get a topic going dedicated to coming up with invasion plans as well. Sound like a good idea to you?
>>47643870Sure. A new topic underneath "Lyle's new suit" should do it.
>>47641842Wait, is QD unavailable this Sunday or next Sunday?
>>47643929Make sure to read the end of Thread 53.6 for everything that was suggested.
>>47644010So he won't run in the 19th day.Thanks for clarifying.
Well I was thinking we should start expanding to more planets.To start preparing for war we should first find some insignificant rock in our home system and turn it in to a forge world have it completely dedicated to ship building.Then start a project to make a crop plant that uses heat instead of light for making food.Then we just send our ships out have them land on what world's the can dig to a geo-thermal vent and start farming we can then teleport the excess minerals and nutrition to our forge world for making ships
>>47644045>Well I was thinking we should start expanding to more planets.Agreed, all those unknown systems to the south of our territory in >>47640684 are perfect for expansion.We should also set up a major colony on Tannhauser; that joins up our territory, allows us to easily interact with the Valen of the expanse, and could also be where our public "base" is whenever we reveal ourselves to the humans and Valen.
>>47644168Kinda disagree with Tannhauser, i want to buy it for the skyl and not set up a base besides something for diplomacy.
>>47644168Oh and it's perfect for our public base, since that is where the Valen are building a gate, so it makes it easier for anyone using their gate system to interact with us.
>>47640684Who is yellow?
>>47644185I don't think the Skyl care, but maybe we should ask them first instead of assuming they want it? and the Valen with the help of the humans are already setting up base there. We don't want anyone to know where our real home world is, even though they can guess it's Leeland, but it's still better to hide it for as long as possible.Either way whether the Skyl, Valen, or anyone else is there we should still set up a base there since it's right in the middle of our territory.
>>47644185>>47644189>>47644249And I specifically chose Tannhauser because that is where the Valen gate is being built. We need to have a greater presence there to observe the gate being built, and then once it is built it would be easier to use and interact with the Valen if we have a base there. We don't have to reveal ourselves immediately.