The fires have died down from the early morning blaze, hovering vehicles drift over the wreckage firing foam from their outstretched nozzles. The building they float over has collapsed, a sink hole leading to the tunnels beneath New Prescott is all that remains of the once humble shop. The news covers it for most of the day on the local channels as your hive watches from the shadows.Beneath the city taidarens skitter and whistle with glee. A large raft is hauled along the murky waters of the tunnels pulled by the hands of several dozen triplets. The bulky machine held in their care creaks occasionally as the taidaren technicians examine the intricate and highly precise machinery for damage. Before long, the raft enters the makeshift city, pulled across the water to a waiting area where hundreds of young taidarens cheer on their brothers and cousins for a job well done, and one of your own clone agents examines the device for damage as they guide it into its place along the driftwood and scrap metal docks of the shanty town under-city. Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!>Archives http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest>Twitter https://twitter.com/HiveQueenQuest>Various pasta http://pastebin.com/u/QuestDrone>FAQ ask.fm/QuestDrone>Discussion page http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest_talk:Hive_Queen_Quest
>>47632547>Current resource reservesNutrients: 16 MNMetals: 10 MMCredits: ₡2,226Credits in Lyle’s account: ₡1,175,000Active trade routes[establishing] Leeland – Lanway: HMS Orphan, Captain John Spreckels>Construction underway[Citadel Hive ship] – 50%>Formed fleets and ordersSmall Heavy Defense Fleet [Patrolling Leeland space]10 Heavy Battle Fleet [Awaiting orders]5 Missile Ambush Fleet [Awaiting orders]25 Light Fleets [Awaiting orders]20 Light Fleets [Under construction]Clone upkeep/special projects and expenses25 Human captives of the USV Hope – 750[Gemini] 3 Taidaren Hybrids (105)4 Human flash clone upkeep – 12018 Human hybrid clone upkeep – 540Specializations:>Tech>Engineer>Brawler[Hive space]100 Human Hybrids – 3,000Lyle Rogers – 57Jackob Eisner – 56Dillon Reager – 30Clone/project upkeep – 3,908N
>>47632547YESSSS I JUST CAUGHT ITSD START!!! but i cant type much due to left hand surgery. Welcome back QD!
>>47632573Disclaimer: resource management has changed drastically, and has likely gone down in many places, but so has costs. Income and costs may continue to change based on your feedback and balancing issues that may arise. Please forgive any horrible issues that may arise as we switch over to Hive Queen Quest second edition. As a quick introductory course, here are the basic rules.Every planet has a stat for every resource ranging from 0-100 representing quantity, availability, and ease of extraction and processing of that resource, as well as a development stat that represents the level of infrastructure present on the planet. Drone population will rise automatically with the development score, automating worker production as well as maintaining a basic but competent militia of drones of a balanced variety chosen from your designs.To calculate a planet's income, you add the planet's resource stat to the stat bonus of any structures, then multiply by the development score. Due to balance issues, nutrient income is multiplied by 1k as well, using the following equations.(Nutrient stat + structures) * 1k * dev score + modifiers = Nutrient income total(Metal stat + structures) * dev score + modifiers = Metal income totalThe upkeep of planets and their structures are no longer given as hard numbers, but are taken from the planet's income total or infer penalties to one or more of the planet's stats. Some may have other effects or special costs or effects, both good and bad, and in general is all subject to change based on feedback.
>>47632547Second verse, same as the first.ITS BEEN SO LONG.
>>47632597Hive Territory[G-426]*Leeland (capital)N 60+40M 45Development 50Income:4.886MN162.5KMDefensive structures>Surface to Orbit Missile System: Uses long range missiles to attack enemy ships in the system (1KN, Additional costs per launch)>Anti-orbital batteries: Directly attacks enemy ships in orbit (8KN)Military structures>Hangar facilities: Deploys atmospheric and orbital drones to intercept attackers, uses aerodynamic and fighter drone designs (4KN)>Psionic Shroud: Conceals hive activity from psionic senses (1KN)Industrial structures>Docking Pylon: (2000) (100KN)[Empty docks: 8000/8000]Economic Structures>Smart Mines active: Calculates development stat twice for metal income>Algae Farm: +25N>Film harvester dock: +15NAsteroid mining base: 50KM per day added to nearest planet.[M-662]RalighaN 90+20M 10Development 25Income:3.75KN0MDefensive structures>Surface to Orbit Missile System (1KN)>Anti-orbital batteries: 35/35 (8KNN)Economic structures>Bloodroot collectors: Pipes running from Bloodroot trees extract nutrient rich sap +20N>Greystalk farms: [under construction]>Greenwall pit: Genetically engineered plant efficiently recycles waste material, Extra N income x2>Temple alter: A place for the Ralighan locals to worship and bring offerings to your hive, built in the likeness of your local fake queen, +500N per day [M-323]>Orbital docking pylon: Space for docking and construction of 4 sub capitals or 1 capital ship, (50N) [Empty docks: 0/4]>Mining corvette salvage operations +2,688,000M per day (+8000M per corvette)[Farcast]Derelict Sensor arrayGlassed Hive worldN 0M 100D 10Income:0N100KM>Smart mine mantle excavation: Calculates development stat 3 times for metal incomeDeep space waystation>100 docking pylons (10KN)[Empty docks 400/400]New Construction Options [Coming soon: Something that isn't the text equivalent of a Crunch Bar]
>>47632573so that MN is million nuets and million metals I take it?
>>47632658Speaking of constructions: Has our hive come across any new structure types that we simply never asked to make? Like suicide drones added to the drone hanger, docking pylon cannons, etc? Because I feel like our building pool is a bit underwhelming.
NUKE THE WHALESGAS THE SQUIDSTAB THE MONKEYSTRUST NOTHINGTHE VOID IS WATCHING
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>>47632666Correct. Looking at all those zeroes was like gazing into the gaping maw of the void itself.>>47632658Finished Research>Photon bladeA beam of massive photons arranged in a linear pattern and emitted from a palm sized projector, creating a semi-solid line of photons that quickly return to their normal, non-massive state at an adjustable distance of a meter or less from the projector. The result is a glowing beam capable of being used as a blade. Upon contact with matter, the beam has a similar effect as a blaster, sublimating or melting the material nearly instantly. While it actually has less overall cutting power when compared to the larger and more damaging thermal and vibro blade options, the photon blade is smaller, lighter weight, and cannot be broken by virtue of not actually being made of solid matter to begin with. The blade can be easily used by non-hive life, where the light weight nature of the blade can be used to its full advantage.>Holographic haptic feedbackWith a mixture of basic hard light technology application and minor advancements in holographic technology, this new holo projector is capable of creating holograms capable of providing the sensation of touch. While the image itself is still an obvious projection, the provided haptic feedback offers a number of advantages in entertainment, usability, and training potential.
I've been waiting for this!>MN>KMCan I request that we please use the same units for both types of resources? It just confuses me otherwise, and it's not a big difference, you'd only drop the period in this case.
>>47632658>Raligha>Income:>3.75KNShouldn't that say 'MN'. is the 1k multipler missing.I find it doubtful it has 3 order of magnitude less income than Leeland, when it has only half its development score.
>>47632773[New Equipment unlocked]Photon Saber – An adjustable beam of hard light emitted from a small hand held hilt shaped device. The saber is capable of penetrating most armors with relative ease, although thicker and more heavy armor requires sustained contact with the blade. While it deals less damage compared to more time tested melee weapons, its small size and light weight mean it can be wielded by individuals without a full drop suit, and can be concealed easily when not in use. Due to the dangerous nature of the weapon, the user must either have extensive specialist training, or a hive parasite to assist in its use to avoid injury.New Research Available>Holo-simulation trainingWhile the hive is fully capable of imprinting false memories or running mental simulations within an individual's mind, there is still some level of fidelity lost in translation. By combining mental imprinting with an immersive holographic simulation, non hive life forms can be made to quickly gain and test new skills and abilities, greatly boosting performance as well as running simulations for specific missions to increase the odds of success.>Entertainment Holo-suiteA technology that offers no real value to the hive itself, a dedicated entertainment system built from the advanced holographic technology of the hive could prove greatly profitable during inter-species relations.>>47632750I blame google for that one. I checked it myself not a moment ago.
>>47632773>Photon bladeSo, we invented light sabers?
>>47632851I'd undress with you nonetheless.
>>47632773oh hell yes now we can get some holobooths for our human pets and to sell for more dosh!>>47632851and here is the tech in question. Now can we find a way to create holodecoy devices for subterfuge?>>47632875I am thinking something like a protoss psi blade only made from light. Lightsabers are basically plasma swords but powered by crystals and space science. But basicly yes we did
>>47632851Current Research>Photonic armorMediumWhile it is not nearly as robust as what your thinkers promise from the miniaturization of shield technology, these small plates of massive photons are solid enough to deflect weapons fire and absorb energy for a brief period of time. Less a portable defensive shield and more of a temporary deployable cover, this technology, in theory, would offer drones or agents a way to quickly protect themselves during a momentary lack of cover before the photons dissipate.>Personal shieldingSlowBy further shrinking the emitters, your thinkers believe they may be able to eventually make them small enough to be equipped to the carapace of a drone, or to the surface of an armored suit. At this time it is mostly speculation and an eagerness to please mother beyond all reason, and you cannot be sure what the limitations may be, but the thinkers are sure they can do it.>Shield domeSlowThe opposite way of thinking as personal shielding, by scaling the shield emitters up further to a size that would be impossible to hold and power on a ship, your thinkers suspect they should be able to construct a defensive perimeter around a hive center protected by a powerful defensive shield. The thinkers that have proposed the idea seem to be certain in the failure of the other project, as they are of this one, and you have had to separate the quantum thinkers as they attempted to disprove each others’ theories more than develop their own.>Complex matter reconstructionSlowYour thinkers suspect that by utilizing and combining advancements in quantum theory with your teleportation technology it may be possible to increase the threshold of items that can be transmitted from pure substances and elements, to more complex alloys and objects of more complex shape and size, potentially allowing for the transmission of equipment, weapons, or mechanical components.
>>47632773Aw yeah, research!And Photon Blade finally. Now I can post that ambassador design.
>>47632851>>Holo-simulation training>>Entertainment Holo-suiteIt feels like these are pretty much the same thing. I mean, if we take sim, we can still market it as entertainment.
>>47632897Im just thinking of all the "X, I am your mother" shit we could pull.
>>47632813One is Kilo, another is Mega.What's confusing about this?
>>47632851Can we install the Entertainment Holo-suite on our battleship in Commonwealth space? Giving a full audio-visual presentation with them(like with regards to history and battles, etc) would probably be more impressive than having our speakers merely talk about events or verbally give evidence.
>>47632903The Photonic Armor could be quite useful on strike craft (fighters and bombers) hulls as alabative armor. Absorb blows and shred away, taking the bite out of anything hitting the craft.
>>47632914About that? Nothing. It's just hard to separate them at a glance.
>>47632851Guess our newly purchased 'pets' have not arrived yet.
>>47632773>Photon bladeI can't wait to show lee, his reaction will be great.
>>47632903>Advanced Psionic ReadingSlowWith your new abilities growing, you continue to hone and develop more advanced methods of using your psionic network. Your thinkers believe that with more practice they should be able to delve deeper into the minds of non-hive life, digging past surface thoughts and emotions and into more detailed pieces of information without resorting to invasive neural interfaces.>Psionic ImprintingMediumThe next logical step from psionic reading, your thinkers believe that if you can detect the thoughts of others, you may be able to alter them as well. Further study is needed to determine the extent of this potential ability.>High-altitude spore dispersalMediumBy spraying modified hive spores from a capillary tower at high altitude, the tower gains the ability to spread hive creep several magnitudes faster than any other method you have, contaminating the surface of an entire hemisphere in a mere day, although the creep itself grows at normal speed. The spores are visible as a greenish fog that permeates the atmosphere, especially around the tower itself, and is toxic to non-hive life, forcing any enemies of the hive to make use of rebreathers or air filters. The spores can be made to carry other chemicals or biological agents.>Atmospheric static generatorMediumBy utilizing the natural friction of a sufficiently dense atmosphere against the surface of a capillary tower, the tower can be made to generate energy to feed itself and reduce its upkeep cost.>>47632827The development score makes quite the difference. Plus, despite Raligha's lush nature, you have done little to exploit it in preference of leaving the locals their space.>>47632911One is America's Army, the other is Call of Duty, essentially. The research is mostly in tuning its marketability.
Have salvaged the Obsidian Queens Hive Capitol after it crashed and are we searching for the psionic signal?OQ must have a good reason to direct such a large force there considering her repeated losses>>47632933I had the idea for combining it with the Ramming ships as a regenerative crumple shield
>>47632933And the shield dome could be mounted on a station or fortress defense as a wide screen projector to put infront of a defending fleet. Have multiple stations in a certain array and you could copy our current ship's multi layor shielding tech but on a truely grand scale. Take the bite right out of any alpha strike.
>>47632919Good idea, a movie theater will be a great diplomacy tool.
>>47632957>One is America's Army, the other is Call of Duty, essentially. The research is mostly in tuning its marketability.Yes, but what we'd be researching is the underlying technology. A modern PC can run both those games, and a lot more. The "games" themselves should be trivial in comparison.
>>47632903All those defensive techs. We could make the tankiest drone there ever was. Literally a moving wall.
>>47632957>Rip DriveMediumA powerful, and accurate drive system, it does not move the equipped ship, but allows the ship to rip open a hole in spacetime, creating something akin to an artificial wormhole that bridges the ship's current location with a location of its choosing within its range. This allows not only the ship to move through the rupture, but also allows it to open ruptures for other craft, allowing for the deployment of sub-light craft over vast interstellar distances.>Deep Core MiningSlowTaking planetary mining to the logical extreme, your thinkers believe that your hive infrastructure, if spread across the surface of a world and given enough time, would be able to consume the ferrous metal core of a planet itself.>Gravity thrustersSlowSimilar in function to your Skid drive, the Gravity thrusters essentially surf along pre-existing gravity fields, increasing their performance when in close proximity to major sources of gravitational pull, be it a large celestial body, a star, a planet, an exceptionally large structure or group of structures, or the core of a gravity drive. While in deep space it becomes less effective, the law of universal gravitation means it never becomes totally useless, and when in close proximity to a powerful gravity source it should outperform most other thruster designs with ease. Available research options>Psionic Cannon prototypeVery slow/Very dangerousDetailed accounts of several experiments show the slow progress of Project Godsplitter. The cannon itself is highly volatile, and even the smallest miscalculation often results in the destruction of the ship, as well as any nearby craft. It can only be equipped to a Hive ship's spinal mount, and requires a functional Void Shard as ammunition. At least a dozen testing sizes were atomized in testing the weapon, and in the end it appears The Gardener never quite perfected it.>Add Holo-simulation training>Add Entertainment Holo-suite>Add both>Add neither
>>47632907Oh god I just had the best/most horrifying idea! We could use the tech to hide a really nasty combat drone to make it look "human" or atleast non hostile, like your image...only it would have a shit load of arm weapons and the like. >>47632912It shall be glorious>>47632942inb4 nerdgasm>>47632903PERSONAL SHIELDING MUST OBTAIN NOW!!!!! also complex mater reconstrction sounds like our gateway to becoming true hivers, gate network and all!
>>47632957Can we copy what the gardener had in development?
>>47632990>Add bothWhy even ask?
>>47632990>>Add Holo-simulation trainingWhat even is research speed determined by now.
>>47632981That could work. Works on smaller craft as a disposable regenerating armor, works on larger craft as a ramming prow, which uses some tech we got from the pirate hook people.
>>47632990>>Add bothThe research time for both should be almost the same as for either on their own, right?
>>47632907I like the wings and the general design idea. The central body coloring is a bit too, eh, random for my liking. It's a bit like a 5 year old kid dumped every color of paint together in a can and poured it out randomly. I like the idea of a mimetic skin, but let's have it be a bit more uniform and a little less seizure inducing.Still a really neat design/artwork, though.
>>47632942We can only give one to Jackob, he's the only one who can benefit from it.Lyle already has stronger, tougher blades in his arms, and Jackob and Lee lack the parasites to let them use it without killing themselves.
>>47632981Nice idea. Also I think were where searching for it while salvaging at the same time..
>>47633024inb4 nazi bug uniforms
>>47633035You mean Dillon and Lee lack the parasites, right? Jackob has a parasite.
>>47632990>Add bothAlso how has the retweak affected thinkers/research?
>>47632957omg everything about these sounds fucking good!!! We become zerg/hiver/nids/scrin in no time! Old mother would be so proud of us.>>47632990WHy is that cannon prototype not put onto a special "black projects" list that is simeply stated we have x of at the start ofa thread?? I feel that keeping it in the list of potential sci projects is a disaster waiting to happen.>>47633035I dont think he ment "giving" lee one so much as just showing him "look what mother has made!" and listen to him nerd out.>>47633073GAS THE SQUIDS now?
>>47633024I think the author did this to represent mimetic skin. It can be whatever color the ambasador needs it to be.
>>47633024Well, it's supposed to change colors, though I imagine in practice it won't actually be that psychedelic and instead be more stable and calming.
>>47633073It doesn't have to be that bad. lol. The wings are totally fine, for example. But they aren't totally random/distracting in the same way that the current body scheme is. At least adding a bit of symmetry to the body colors (which can be changed at will into random things if we need/want to due to mimetic skin) would be less confusing at first contact and distracting during diplomacy.
Reminder to let the twins and Coil travel with Lyle again.
>>47632990>Add bothNow before we get started, I just wanted to make sure everyone know's what's up with the drones themselves. You are no longer paying a direct upkeep cost for any actual drones, that includes workers, warriors, wasps, ect. They are all now tied into the "Development score" of the planet. You can choose to increase it and expand your colony, which will increase the drone population and with it the size of the local defensive swarm. The local defensive drones will be composed of a balanced mixture of your drone designs. In addition, buildings like the hangars no longer only offer space for drones, but will automatically maintain and deploy swarms of aerodynamic drones in a balanced mixture of your designs.So your drone designs do still matter, but the laying of them is now tied into the development of the planet. Likewise, all ships will be assumed to be carrying a decent supply of drones at all times.Now, writting.
I saw an idea last week for reaching out to the Pale Ceph in Union space and giving them Mimetic skin and adaptive camouflage to cure their defects as a charity thing. Should we invest in that?
>>47633168Hey bossWhen is the next union supply ship coming to our home sector again? Is it in a few weeks or going to happen soon?
>>47633178It would be better to use a retrovirus (perhaps put it into Union water supplies - it does nothing to non-Ceph. we reach more this way.) to do what we want (that also changes their reproductive organs, so the changes are passed on), as opposed to having to manually modify each one.
Alright, here are my plans regarding last thread's events.>build self destruct pods and send them to scout as much of OQ's territory.>Increase construction of ships, specifically raiding ships.>begin plans for an invasion of OQ's industrial wolds.We also need to prevent OQ from attacking the union and taking their tech. i suggest this plan from last thread.>Any ship that comes here will receive a broadcast telling them to get out of here, any further attempts to communicate will trigger the same message, any attempts to board or attack shall be met with weapons fire and reinforcements.>>47633119I want Coil to meet heretic or at least learn skyl history.Since I'm mentioning heretic can we open contact with the valen in the Tannhauser system and buy the skyil planet?
>>47633178Sure, once we let ourselves be known, it sounds like a great way to undermine their societal norms.
We need to find out why OQ went into union space?Was she just looking for any other hives we could have there and a weakpoint?Or did that free void crystal send out a signal to her specifically to tell her to rescue it?
Since the Valen a currently building a Gate at their colony (formerly the skyl homeworld), we should send a cloaked pod to spy on the construction.
>>47633119Reminder they are having more fun rolling around in fungus and don't need to be sent into Mauser's warpath of death and destruction.>>47633233Reminder that as fun as random designs and clever ideas are we are burning precious bump limit and we'll hit it before 10pm at this rate unless we focus exclusively on the contents of QM's posts instead.>>47633178The value of surreptitiously copying their memories in case they learned more about the smuggling routes than Coil did is certainly there.But this is an idea for far in the future/to talk about at the end of the thread.
>>47633233How exactly do you anticipate that plan preventing the OQ from attacking the Union and taking their tech?From the standpoint of not wanting the OQ to have Union tech it would be better to initiate first contact and, you know, warn them.
>>47633178I don't mind selling our services for healing and upgrades But it seems we are getting ahead of ourselves cause i doubt that union officials will allow us to offer our services in their territory without making us give them the tech base involved
>>47633270She might have tried to find a route to blindside us with. Unfortunately for her, we're almost surrounded by other civilizations and she has to go through them first.
Reminder that the OQ ships we encountered last thread seemed to be prototype stealth ships.Did we recover the wreckage?
>>47633233Here's a better idea. Let's go find her Capital planet and try to capture her. Capture her planets and resources is effectively impossible due to her tech.
>>47633270OQ was just doing some standard scouting, probably has ships poking around dozens of systems. She isn't hampered by thread time or QM inattention.
>>47633283I want to patrol the border between the union and OQ, and even if we warn them OQ can salvage their tech from destroyed ships. Also the union will probably do something stupid to spite us.
>>47633330No we destroyed them because of a union picket fleet was closing in
>>47633330We recovered some wreckage before we had to flee. But not a lot.>>47633338We may need to warn the Union.Even if only as a cryptic message attached to an anonymous campaign donation.
>>47633330No we had to destroy the evidence, i would also like to mention the ships could have been and alternative attempt at scouting us, since if they succeed the thinkers will tell OQ everything they saw and if they fail OQ will know we might be there.
>>47633233>>47633338Why are we worried about OQ getting tech?She already has sample of unity ships so she probably already started research on themWe should be worried about where her fleets are being positionedAnd if she contacted the ceph yet
>>47633357That's why i want the message broadcast, get them spooked.
>>47633330We just need to trade with our AI buddy for gravity sensors.And then promptly develop something to counter it and park a stealth ship around him again until he notices and makes more tech we can trade for.
>>47633283No, from that standpoint the best thing is to distract the OQ and occupy her forces.The Union is already quite cowardly when it comes to exploring space after the recent disasters, they aren't going to go stick their dick in that beehive.'Warning' them does nothing but give them a reason to look at OQ's systems which is the opposite of what we want.>>47633338What 'border'.It's space, the blink drive fucking teleports right past anything, and the warp drive easily goes around anything.All we have to do is a) chart out every one of OQ's systems b) launch a molecular disassembler warhead attack on every single planet at once, with the warheads on board cloaked pods, to crash onto all the ship producing areas.Then we begin operation mopup and make any exploration of human space too costly for her.But first we have to actually view all the systems we sent pods to, which might never happen.
>>47632907As the anon who posted that design on the wiki, I love it. Disarming in all the right ways and perfect for communicating directly with races that may be suspicious of us.
>>47633357>>47633388The union going to send a ship to our capital soon rememberWe probably use that for first contact then
>>47633231You may not know what a retrovirus is.
>>47633378When did she get Unity ships? He nuked any ships that got infected and she sure as hell didn't mount a salvage op in the middle of a space battle.Also the Ceph view the Hive as the antichrist, that's unlikely to change just because OQ has a crystal motif.
>>47633396>We just need to trade with our AI buddy for gravity sensors.How new are you? Seriously.
>>47633378You have a point but i believe Theseus already has added self destruction capabilities to most of his ships because we have researched so fast.I just want to remove her industry capabilities before she closes the tech gap.
For the time when we actually introduce ourselves to the humans and they start asking questions about the speed of our research and taking over our homeworld, What if we say that we had simply rediscovered a wild colony and took it over? Basically, we say that we allready had the tech due to being old empire, we built up the planet because we had people on the ground so why not, and we get to talk to humans without scaring them more than neccessary.
>>47633330It was just her spending less resources to make more ships.
>>47633168The hive churns with activity. Your drones scurry through the Hel's Angel as you fine tune the ship's systems, solidifying the links between the human tech and your own as the taidaren twins run after them in a panic, unsure of what they are doing but concerned all the same of the status of the ship they have so carefully maintained for so long. Much of the repairs and new systems are entirely alien to them, appearing as pulsing veins coiling through the conduits, mixing with the wires and circuitry of various subsystems.Deeper in the tunnels of your hive, Lee leaps back, stumbling slightly before regaining his composure and ducking to evade a jab. A swift kick to the inner thigh sends him to the floor."That's twenty two seconds before kissing the ground." Dillon says as he looks at his watch. "That's a new record." Lyle stands over Lee as he wryths on the ground in agony, and extends a hand."Quit the bitchin. That's better than most." He says with some attempt at sympathy. "Those little bastards should have the ship ready to go by now." He says. "We just need a location at this point, and we should be good to go crash that Union spy party."Lee stumbles his way to a seat and drops his head to the table as he lets out a subtle wheeze."The plan is still to wait for them on Aral, right?" Jackob asks.>Have Lyle and the crew wait on Aral, and lure the Cortez there>Set up a trap on another world (write in)>Other
>>47633423No the ceph came to her aid when killing mom remember, the crystals are giving the ordersAnd of course she got some samplesShe forced unity to retreat and attacked so many different sites at the same time It obvious to think she destroyed unity ships and got there wreckage for research
>>47633429He detected our ships by using refined grav sensor arrays right?My memory is foggy on the details, but he can detect us. Should work just fine vs the new OQ ships she is making.
>>47633336>QM writes her scouting>QM inattentionYou're one of those bastards who always chew on QMs aren't you.
>>47633499>>Have Lyle and the crew wait on Aral, and lure the Cortez there
>>47633499>Have Lyle and the crew wait on Aral, and lure the Cortez thereStick to the plan then?Cause problems between union and the valen clans then?
>>47633499>>Have Lyle and the crew wait on Aral, and lure the Cortez there>Send Coil to pilot the ship
>>47633499Yes yes, and I hope the drones made high-quality human-style flying digital holo-recorders for the Lyle vs. Mauser showdown.Maybe a personal communication device or two for making teleconferencing taunting.
>>47633499>Have Lyle and the crew wait on Aral, and lure the Cortez thereLet's have Lyle tell us what kind of drop suit he wants. Let's also have him set up a hive on Aral and make some deals with the local Valen on Aral.>>47633507We had that tech for a long time.
>>47633499>Have Lyle and the crew wait on Aral, and lure the Cortez there.Have the twins join them, but coil needs to learn skyl history.Also give them light sabers.
>>47633499>Have Lyle and the crew wait on Aral, and lure the Cortez thereDo we have the new power suit for Lyle made yet I can't remember
>>47633499The cortez has an A-class relay, have the angel connect to it and break the link.
>>47633601The one on 1d4chan talk page is absolute shit we could ask what he prefers.
>>47633633I just want to know if we made it yet plus I'm pretty sure it had tech on it we don't have yet like personal shields
Guys. Can we focus on QM's posts only please. We get little enough HQQ as it is.>>47633499>Have Lyle and the crew wait on Aral, and lure the Cortez thereMeanwhile Lee has to prepare for possibly teleconferencing with the Lee Fanclub tomorrow.>>47633555Coil can't pilot a fucking blink drive you mong. It has a mind of its own that listens only to Mother.>>47633507Apparently really foggy, the queen bought G-field sensors as soon as the hive learned it existed.>>37628075 How can you remember Unity showed they had it but not Theseus trading it away literally right after.
>>47633501So the Ceph came to her aid once the crystal were involved, fair enough but we don't know they'd cooperate with her unless they were ordered to and by that point we'd already be fucked since that'd mean the crystal gods themselves have declared jihad against us.I forgot that she attacked multiple systems at once, my bad. It's reasonable to assume she's got a few Unity techs unlocked, then.
>>47633499"That's the plan." Lyle says. "I can hide the Angel in the desert and put up a cloak, but I'd like a pilot to keep her ready to move, in case they start dropping nukes.""That's doubtful." Dillon says. "You have any idea what kind of shitstorm it would cause for a Union ship to start bombarding a Valen colony?""You're assuming they think I can't make one bigger." Lyle says. Dillon seems to ponder on the statement, then shrugs."That's... actually a good point.">Let Coil pilot the ship>Keep Coil in the hive>Other
>>47633651>>47633633>>47633601Enough time as passed to have built a heavy carapace for Lyle, and a medium one for Jackob and Dillon if you would like to provide one.
>>47633662Actually I'm pretty sure the celph attacked both of them the crystals don't seem to care about thier slaves
>>47633499Oh yeah lee is getting some holo combat training, it will be just like a game to him I bet. >>47633658Hmmm the banter is what gives the thread life, but yess I do think people should atleast make larger post. >>47633671Hrmm how has our squid taken to the "new" ships? I dont remember if he has flown it since, though I supose the alternative would be a clone . >>47633703Whats the cost?
>>47633671>Let Coil pilot the ship
>>47633671>Let Coil pilot the ship>Othersend the twins along
>>47633671>Let Coil pilot the shipAsk the twins if they want to come too.>>47633703Yes pls.>>47633658You can't stop the shitposting. Don't even try.
>>47633671>>Keep Coil in the hiveLyle, my son... the ship is alive. The ship IS a pilot.
>>47633750Plus I'm pretty sure the ship has a non sentient A.I. on it.
>>47633671>>Keep Coil in the hiveThat said, a variety of flies and a virginal winged egglayer will probably be stowing aboard the Angel to at least colonize Aral a little bit.
>>47633710No its obvious that the ceph were called in to back up OQ once mom kick the crap out of OQ fleetAnd once we kicked the ceph the Masters themselves came onto the field to finish the job
>>47633671>Let Coil pilot the ship.But give him lessons on skyl history while the ship drives itself.
>>47633852>WOOOOOW IT TOOK 3 ALIEN RACES TO KILL ME LMAO
>>47633882Mom was tough
>>47633703>>47633886Yes do it
>>47633852We might have to start development of the Psionic cannon when we invade OQ.
>>47633671>>Let Coil pilot the ship
>>47633882Old Mom was pretty boss, shame we didnt manage to retreive her remains. Our genetic compatability would probably have made deciphering her tech much easier.
>>47633671>>Keep Coil in the hive
>>47633949If she's actually dead and not just hiding out somewhere licking her wounds
>>47633914I don't know the crystals were damaged in the fight we don't know if they can recover from those injuries ( normal crystals don't) they might not risk it
>>47633671 >Let Coil pilot the ship
>>47633671>Keep Coil in the hive
>>47633671"Well you still have that squid, don't you?" Jackob says. Lyle scrunches his nose."That little shit? Yea, he's somewhere." He seems to think on the idea for a moment as he chews on his cigar. "He's a goddamn little shit, but an alright pilot." He turns to a passing worker. "Hey, make sure Coil's strapped in and ready to go when we get to the ship." He says. The worker continues on its way, while elsewhere in a small lab, several workers enter the room with your speaker, and carry Coil down the hall has he protests with vibrant strobing colors while your speaker gives him his mission briefing.Your hive has worked diligently on your new equipment for your human allies. Your drones have prepared a suite of new weapons and armor for this occasion, gleaming design choices from your guests' subconscious input. You have already put in the resources, all that needs doing now is finalizing the equipment and presenting them to your guests.http://pastebin.com/z4yZdEbK>Customize Lyle's Heavy carapace>Refit it as it was previously>Other>Provide Dillon and Jackob custom medium carapace suits (write in)>Provide unfitted suits and have them customize them I just stat them out myself>Other
>>47633974I was the anon who rolled a 1 looking for her remains. so. Shes probably obliterated
>>47634001>Refit it as it was previously>Provide unfitted suits and have them customize them I just stat them out myself
>>47634001>OtherLet him choose what he wants.>Provide unfitted suits and have them customize them
>>47633949Right? I was so sad/mad on that roll.>>47634009it wasnt that low, it was like 24-32 really low when the number needed was 80+>>47634001Lets customize it out later after the thread is done. >Provide unfitted suits and have them customize them sounds fine to me.
>>47634001>Provide unfitted suits and have them customize them I just stat them out myself
>>47634001Only Lyle and Jackob get a suit. Jackob is our son now after all.Dillon will have to deal with it like the glorified stepchild he is.
>>47634001>Let him choose what he wants.>Provide unfitted suits and have them customize them
>>47634001>Provide Dillon and Jackob custom medium carapace suits (I would suggest grav coil wings, mimetic skin with medium armor with thier choice of weapon
I just remembered that when we meet the commonwealth/union leaders we will have to decide if we send a fake queen or one of those diplomacy drones we saw in the garden flashback.
>>47634186>grav coil wingsNo. Those are shit without shields.
>>47634250Thier jump packs thier awesome
>>47634152heh the red head step child of the bunch. >>47634237lets save that for the end of thread discussion friend, have limited time.Keep it relevant to the GM post please>>47634250How so?
>>47634001>>Customize Lyle's Heavy carapacePlasma cannonPhoton Blaster2 swarm missile podsThermo-vibro bladeSonic sledgehammer\>Provide unfitted suits and have them customize them
>>47634284>>47634271They break easily.>>47634271>thierLearn to spell.
>>47634285This looks good
>>47634285>Thermo-vibro bladeThis should be a Sledgehammer.
>>47634347Hmm we really should look into using photons for flight assist then, I dont remeber if we have a anti grav tech or not.>>47634313sorry mate, this wouldnt fit in there, unlike some of the anime ones but I digress.>>47634285Well since typing halfway through the design I had caused my hand to hurt ill go with this one
>>47634001>Refit it as it was previously>Provide unfitted suits and have them customize them
>>47633330It seemed to me like they were specially designed to be less dense and less massive than normal ships so as to avoid our G-Sensors, nothing more really. Oh, on the other hand those Taidaren the Valen was yelling at to GTFO last thread were definitely trying to sell our parasites to the ugly whale motherfucker.
>>47634579Um, no they weren't
>>47634579No, the valen was insulting them by calling them parasites and useless fucks
>>47634579We'd know if that were the case because we ARE our parasites.
>>47634517>>47634389>>47634354>>47634285You guys do realize this design has several glaring flaws right? Like the Photon Blaster is mediocre unless you have a bunch of them shooting at the same guy and the blade will be shit against the hammer so there is no point in including it on the armor.
>>47634001>Provide unfitted medium carapace suits and have them customize themYour workers emerge from the darkened halls of your hive, their limbs linked into a carpet beneath the large, chitinous crate they carry. Jackob and Dillon get up from their seats as the workers heft the crate up and place it on the floor, and then two others quickly follow. A speaker is perched precariously atop one of the large crates chittering incessantly."The Hive has gifts! Good things made my Mother!" It shouts. The crates unfold, flexing open on hinges of muscle as armatures reach out and unfold, each holding a component to a suit."Sweet baby Jesus." Jackob whispers. Lee props himself on his chair, one hand still pressing on what is likely a massive bruise on his inner thigh as he gawks at the suits. Lyle steps forward into the large boots on the floor, and the armatures reach out and begin attaching the various components, fusing and flexing them to a perfect fit. Jackob looks over the two others, and steps into one of them, holding his back to the interface that quickly links with your parasite within him."So what exactly are these things? They're smaller than a drop suit.""Yes." Your speaker says. "And faster."Jackob steps forward from the crate and flexes the arms. Fins ripples along the arms where the carapace flexes in layers over the extendable muscle beneath. He looks over his limbs as his helmet flexes open."You need to try this!" He says, grinning ear to ear. "Hey, what's this thing?" He asks as he finds the small cylindrical device lodged in a port in the forearm. With a loud buzz a beam of light erupts from the hilt and flickers in the air. Lee stammers for a moment."Is that a...""Fuck yea!" Jackob interrupts as he twirls the beam in circles around him.cont.
>>47634681See >>47634665You wouldn't know a good design if it grabbed you by the dick.
>>47634674Mother gives the best gifts.
Agree with >>47634733 and >>47634665. Bad setup....I love Jackob, though.
>>47634665The photon blaster weakens armor which is useful, you need several to kill someone, the blade is good at cutting things and we don't need 2 hammers.
>>47634665The photon blaster is useful because it's balanced, while still packing enough of a punch to knock a heavy drone off it's feet, which will be handy when facing off against that jacked up Marine Michael brought along. And you clearly have no idea how those blades work.
>>47634733We don't need two hammers but I'm sold on changing the blaster out, maybe just install a standard heavy kinetic weapon.
>>47634665I honestly prefer the sonic hammers over the blades. Photon doesnt need ammo though right?>>47634674Let the nerdgasm comence
>>47634815>The photon blaster weakens armor which is usefulSo does our flamerthrower.>the blade is good at cutting things and we don't need 2 hammers.>>47634861>We don't need two hammersLyle is a Melee character and the other guy will be packing two hammers which are more effective against armor.>>47634872None of our energy weapon require ammo.
>>47634919The other guy will not be packing two hammers, he will be packing a hammer and a blade as we've already seen him attach to his suit, because he's not a twit with no sense of a balanced armament.
>>47634674"I get one of those too?" Dillon says as he looks over his own suit. Your speaker chitters."No. The Dillon would cause self injury." Your drone says firmly. Jackob chuckles."I think you need one of those parasites to use it without chopping an arm off. I feel like I'm almost not even holding it. I'll tell you I sure as hell never learned how to use a sword." Dillon leans back into the open suit and it begins to fold around him. He jumps in place as the neural interface pierces the skin and begins integrating itself with his mind."Shit shit shit!" Dillon says in a moment of panic as his limbs cycle through moments of tingling pain and paralysis while the suit folds around him. The helmet slides shut as the eyes along the exterior open for the first time. "The hell, man.""Relax." Jackob says calmly. "Just let it handle the basics. Same principals as running a PD turret. Leave the little things to the equipment.""Little things my ass, this thing's getting in my head.""Well yea, that's how Union suits work too, dumbass." Jackob says with a smug grin as his helmet slides shut again.It looks like some customisation is picking up interest.>Customize Lyle's Heavy carapacePlasma cannonPhoton Blaster2 swarm missile podsThermo-vibro bladeSonic sledgehammer\>Let Lyle decide on any changes>Other
>>47634919So I could see the use in having a photon blade in meele, though I would think one of our thermo vibroblade things would be meaner. The unbreakable part about the photon blade is nice though.
>>47634964>Let Lyle decide on any changesHe knows dropsuit combat best
>>47634815Oh wait, I'm reading the paste bin and it says a single blaster does not gain that effect.>>47634919I still don't think we need two hammers even if the other guy does.
>>47634964>Let Lyle decide on any changesGive intel on the other guy.
>>47634964>>Let Lyle decide on any changes
>>47634073>it wasnt that lowYes it was. >>36076591>>47634517>Gravity Foils: These metallic wings are able to alter gravity fields directly around the drone, granting a silent, fast, and highly maneuverable method of flight. Large or heavy drones can make equal use of it, although they are slower and less maneuverable. (8N 10M)You've been losing things in the conversion to crystalline neural infrastructure, Thinker Thirty-Seven.>>47634964>>Let Lyle decide on any changesHis layout was good already. Didn't he already have missile pods and such?Have you listed out his original layout specifically?Until we unlock personal shielding, we don't have a silver bullet to add.
>>47634964>Let Lyle decide on any changes
>>47635019Links don't work, it would be better to green text the post and thread it was in.
>>47634964>>Let Lyle decide on any changesIt's his kit
>>47634964I'm fine with this >Let Lyle decide on any changesBut I still think they should have wings on the suits for the extra mobility
>>47635019what about toxic spore grenades or other such horror inducing bio weapons we can produce?>>47634964 could we get his original layout please?
>>47634964Wait. Plasma Cannon was the Suncaster, right.Mauser has one of those. >>41634441So yes, Lyle needs one of those too, he never had one on his original suit.
Just like how you should leave tank customizations to tank operators. You should leave drop suit shit to drop suit users.
>>47634964>Let Lyle decide on any changesThe suit steps forward, the clawed feet digging into the floor as it steps forward with a loud thud. The helmet seals around him, leaving just enough open along the mouth for his cigar to poke through. He holds out his arms and the armatures attach his selected armaments, largely similar to his original setup with a few minor alterations and upgrades. In one hand, where he once held a chain gun, the relatively similar sting caster is attached and loaded with explosive and armor piercing ammunition, while in the other, where a flame thrower would be the more mission appropriate Plasma Cannon links to the firing controls as it hums with life, the sub-brain of the suit testing its power flow for irregularities. The rest is largely the same as his old suit, with two swarm missile pods, one on each shoulder, and a sword sized thermal enhanced vibro blade strapped to the right arm and a sonic sledge on the left.He flexes his muscles, and the suit's muscles. The humming blade emerges from its place in his arm with a sound like a tuning fork scraping along a plate. He examines it approvingly, and it slides back."So... uh, do I get... anything?" Lee says, unsure of himself as he looks over the suits from his place near the table. Lyle points at him."You're staying right here." He says, his voice augmented from the suit's own deep booming voice layered over his own. He flexes his shoulders and wings sprout from his back. He tests them, beating them with the sound like an engine's roar before folding them back beneath the layer of protective chitin. Lee nods quickly."O-ok, right." He says, and sits back down promptly. Lyle turns to leave, the bulk of his suit forcing him to almost crawl through the doorway despite its size. Jackob turns back to Lee as he follows the others out."Sorry kid, too dangerous. Maybe next time." He says.cont.
>>47635510Well, can't say the job doesn't pay well.
So uh, are we going to deal with that potential hive presence on Refuge this thread?
>>47635510Holo booth training for lee when? Heh maybe make him a field swarm lord aka a disposable mini swarm head, I mean he loves those table top wargames as the nids. >>47635550Mother's gifts are best pay
>>47635510Badass. I'm kind of surprised he went for the sting caster, I always viewed it as the hive's equivalent of the sub machine gun, not a anti armor chain gun.
>>47635559Yea i would like to finish that, and begin preparations for kicking OQ's ass even further then our mother did.>>47635564General lee for president of the union.
so what is our speaker currently doing with the common wealth representative?
>>47635559I'm hoping so, I've been dying to figure out what was down there for months now.
>>47635559No, jamming weird shit into Wise's body takes priority.>>47635632Improving him.
>>47635632Trolling him probably beating him at poker
>>47635647I want to give him thermal vision.>There was some space left over in his face so we expanded his visible spectrum. Second heart is mandatory during all Hive surgeries of course.
>>47635510The Hel's Angel hums to life as Coil straps himself into the complex set of flexible armatures, grumbling with flashes of muted greys and dark browns. The firm grip of the controls wrapped around his limbs are all that keep him from leaping through the air as Lyle walks to the cockpit to the sound of rolling thunder with each step."Coil." He says. The ceph's skin flashes vibrant yellows as his limbs struggle to free themselves from the controls."Yes?" His translation equipment says blandly."Don't run away this time.""Yes."Lyle continues to cast his gaze over the quivering blob of boneless flesh as Coil nervously averts his eyes. Lyle eventually turns to leave."Plot a course for Aral. New FTL will do most of the work.""Yes." Coil says again, the only word he can get the translator to recognize between his vibrantly colored jibbering.The ship's engines spool up, and it takes to the air, guided into orbit by the many patrols covering the sprawling hive spires of Leeland.Lee sits at the table, twiddling his thumbs for lack of a better activity. The speaker standing across from him murmurs softly as it breaths."This speaker does not believe 'here' was meant this literally.">Turn your attention to the Commonwealth and your surgical procedure for Wise>Turn your attention to the planet in the Obsidian Queen's space>Other (write in)
>>47635681"Two hearts is normal! One is bad design!"I fucking love our speakers.
FUGI forgot you were questing again.
>>47635681I kinda want to ask him were his god is I mean humans always say "oh my god" when hurt it must be a painful organ
>>47635689>Turn your attention to the Commonwealth and your surgical procedure for WiseI'll happily jump into the GM's trap.
>>47635689Fuck you for making me chooseLet the dice roll 1.Commonwealth 2.Obsidian Queen's space
>>47635689>>Other (write in)>Have a powow with Theseus and Heritic. A unified foreign policy seems like a good idea right now.
>>47635689>Turn your attention to the Commonwealth and your surgical procedure for WiseWhat could go wrong?
>>47635689>Turn your attention to the planet in the Obsidian Queen's space.We have delayed this long enough.
>>47635689>>Turn your attention to the Commonwealth and your surgical procedure for Wise>Other (write in)Can the Gemini hive say [NEW RESEARCH UNLOCKED] yet?Or can those implanted Taidarens start spreading the word of how awesome these parasites are to their brothers and mother?
>>47635689>>Turn your attention to the planet in the Obsidian Queen's spaceThere be research to be unlocked on this planet!
Rolled 1 (1d2)>>47635713
>>47635689>>Turn your attention to the Commonwealth and your surgical procedure for Wise
>>47635689>>Turn your attention to the planet in the Obsidian Queen's space
>>47635689>Turn your attention to the Commonwealth and your surgical procedure for Wise
>>47635689>>Other (write in)LOOKING AT PODS WHEN
>>47635689>Turn your attention to the Commonwealth and your surgical procedure for WiseWe need to make him better. Two hearts sound good. Should we remove his appendix while we are at it and replace it with another liver?
>>47635689>Other (hook up some DSL in there or what ever the hive equivalent of TV is we can steal all the human changes he could want)>Turn your attention to the planet in the Obsidian Queen's space ( time to meet the maker or her daughter mom couldn't have been the only one)
Hey uh it's been a while and things are kind of blurry for meWho's wise and why are we doing surgery on him?
>>47635729Am currently working on a proper set of espionage mechanics, actually, so that infiltrating planets isn't something that takes a dozen threads to get started on.I can get what I have into a pastebin for feedback in a bit.
>>47635689Can we do both? With the commonwealth being first?
>>47635792Hes the human diplomat and he's blind
>>47635792A diplomat.We're doing surgery on him to give him new eyes (and a heart; but they wont know that until we tear open his chest in the middle of replacing his eyes).As a form of gunboat bio-tech diplomacy.
>>47635792He's the commonwealth rep We offered to upgrade his eyesHis higher ups told him t take the offer since they plan to research and steal whatever tech we do to wise We want to do this to build a rep
>>47635792Commonwealth diplomat, in thread 53 we offered to improve his cyber eyes.
>>47635815No heart It would be rude and make us look bad to do that without permission
>>47635792we have made first contact with the common wealth and now we are showing off our medical tech
>>47635835We also hinted at immortality but they decided to take the eyes.
>>47635845The heart is mandatory, we don't need permission to improve.
>>47635721We're all individuals, we don't need to hammer this shit out with them the way we do with nation states. They're leaving the major decisions to us seeing as we're the resident hive warfare expert and they're ready to commit forces whenever we ask. They're fine.>>47635815That reminds me, we promised we'd let their scientists watch. I imagine a pod with the lid off is quite the sight mid surgery. Dis gon b gud.
>>47635824And the reason we want to build rep is that we hinted to them we can make thing immortal And want to use that for leverage in future dealings, but we need to show we know our stuff >>47635865The took the eyes because they want to study our biotech and they understand the political leverage we have>>47635879Yes it is rude Make us look bad and untrustworthy cause what else did we put in wise
>>47635879This.>>47635896It's not rude. We're simply doing him a service. It's like upselling, except in this case he really does need it.
>>47635792You should just reread the quest if you're that fuzzy. It's a very simple matter of ctrl-f Wise. You don't need spoonfeeding when you have a search function.https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/42339024/#42342404
>>47635888>We're all individuals, we don't need to hammer this shit out with them the way we do with nation states. They're leaving the major decisions to us seeing as we're the resident hive warfare expert and they're ready to commit forces whenever we ask. They're fine.I meant how to deal with the Humans. Having a unified strategy to avoid war would be a good idea.
>>47635865>>47635879>>47635851>>47635845>>47635835>>47635824>>47635815>>47635813Is there really this many indviduals posting? Can we please keep our post longer unless the thread is in the 10+ page range please?>>47635896agreed, we preform services as agreed, if they want more of mothers gifts they must earn it through trade or service.>>47635938avoid war for NOW, we will adopt them at some point, wither or not they like it.
>>47635919No it is rude We want to show we can do the job as promised, if it look like were fucking with them or acting funny then they wont trust us Then they will send agents just to steal our techThere not idiots, they run a government and know how to do espionage and diplomacy
Let's not put the second heart in. It's funny, but it's just not practical at this point.
>>47635938Heritc wouldn't care if theyou would help us get his revenge he'd agree other wise he would scold us for shifting our attention and the unity would have mixed feelings about it
>>47635689>Turn your attention to the Commonwealth and your surgical procedure for WiseYour diplomat drone stands at its full height in the shuttle as Wise straps himself to a seat. A large cushioned slab of curvy padding sits in the center of the shuttle's space, covered in straps. One of the two humans in sealed suits offers to help your drone in, and carefully pull the straps into place, snuggly securing your drone to the seat. Your drone looks to them with surprise as it shimmies its body into the almost perfectly formed gel padding and wraps its legs around the customized and adjustable grips. The drone chitters with satisfaction as the two humans take their seats on either side of Wise.The shuttle quickly docks with your ship, and the umbilical seals along the hull. A cluster of workers line the tunnel beyond, holding out their claws to lead the guests down the pitch black twisting labyrinth of tunnels expanding uniformly in all directions. The medical pods are at the ready, the lid open and prepaired to receive the patient.>Provide new eyes only>Provide new eyes and other sight based enhancements (write in)>Add a second heart>Other
>>47635988>>47635980Offering it is a reasonable compromise, no?>>47636002Heretic wouldn't be so presumptuous to chastise us, he's pretty content to let us do things how we see fit. What's the point in trying to micromanage an ally as opaque as we are?
>>47636027>>Provide new eyes and other sight based enhancements (write in)Fuck it, give him the full suite! Everything we've got, pile it on, blow it out of the water!
>>47636027>>Provide new eyes only>>See if we can sell him on the heart, only having one is a flawed design.
>>47636027>Provide new eyes only>>47636029To late, he would need to ask his superiors for permission
>>47636027>>Provide new eyes onlyLet's stick to what was promised. I don't want them to get too greedy too soon.
>>47635689>>Turn your attention to the Commonwealth and your surgical procedure for WiseMake sure to give him cool eyes. Sneak in some radar capability or something.
>>47636027>Provide new eyes and other sight based enhancements (write in)Give him less efficient reactive pupilsThey want to reverse engineer it so let's trow a bone.>offer second heart.
These new eyes will be able to record things right? I remember wise saying that his eyes need to do that for his job
>>47636051We could just act appalled that humans only have one
>>47636027>add a second heart>to go with the eyes
>>47636027>Provide new eyes only>Othertry and sell him on a second heart but don't force it.
>>47636083I can get behind that.
>>47636027Heh they worked fast on that new chair...Maybe the humans can sell us the couch that the pirates couldnt! >Provide new eyes only>>47636050We should offer it to him, give him a first free sample then offer the upsale anon.>>47636063This anon gets it
>>47636027>Provide new eyes onlyI just don't want to let them take to close at our tech capability I accept that we are giving up secrets with the eyes but i dont want to give them to much
>>47635970>mfw at your incessant bitching at anons about banter.
>>47636027>>Provide new eyes only
>>47636027>>Provide new eyes onlyThat's all we told him we'd add, might not react kindly if we just added stuff willy nilly while we're in there.
>>47636027>>Provide new eyes and other sight based enhancements (write in)Thermal shit I guess, it's the only other sight based one I see.>>Add a second heart
>>47636084We could offer to give photogenic memory to him
>>47636027>Add a second heart
>>47636027>>Provide new eyes and other sight based enhancements (write in)A basic set of "human eyesight plus". Polarization vision, and a broader band of frequencies (IR and UV light in addition to the regular stuff), and night vision adaptations such as predator mammals tend to have, but make sure they are only present when needed and not interfering with daylight vision.
>>47636093>>47636063We offered to fix his eyes, thermal pits are a kind of eye.
>>47636027>Provide new eyes only
It's gonna be pretty fun when he looks at his hands and freaks out at all the stuff crawling on them
>>47636027>Provide new eyes and other sight based enhancements (write in)>Add a second heart
>>47636181What eyes would the best if they couldn't be used as a microscope
>>47636176Can't he see normally? Aren't these new ones just more flesh like
>>47636027>Provide new eyes onlyFor Mother!
>>47636096Nope, Ill drop the name though if it will make you feel better.>>47636212For mother!
>>47636236Dropping the shitty name is step in the right direction, atleast.
>>47636027>Provide new eyes>Add a heart son
>>47636027>Provide new eyes onlyHere we go
Rereading Thread 53 and it seems his mechanical eyes have better range and definition while also being able to slightly see in low light conditions, we offered to grow better eyes so we at least need to slightly improve from the original pair.
>>47636348Everyone is voting for the non-writein option because they can't think of a write in, so it was a foregone conclusion.
>>47636294Your welcome fuckface.>>47636316No heart, make them earn that shit.I wonder if QD ha seen the house and dominion threads with it's surveys. Those tend to deal with these kind of deadlocks.>>47636348that would be a given I thought, maybe not multi spectrum vision but certainly better then the best human eyes.
>>47636372>>47636373I just hope that>Provide new eyes.means we copy the mechanical eyes functions and make the organic equivalent, would suck if we added regular human eyes when we offered improvements.
>>47636373>guys stop shitposting you're sliding the thread!>i'm not bitching, you're a fuckface!Oh yeah? Well you're a BIGGER fuckface!
>>47636417Really no one wants the zoom function sigh ok...
>>47636417>Rip out old eyes>Stick new eyes in>Realize not better>Rip out and replace again>Guys watching freaking the fuck out.Its better trust us!
>>47636027>Provide new eyes onlyThe pod illuminates the small chambers softly as pulsing bioluminescence grows into the veins and capillaries around them."I take it you don't normally rely on the visual spectrum." One of the humans says. The other takes down some notes."We appreciate your understanding, and letting us view the procedure." The other says. "I'm sure there are many things you could teach us." They look at Wise, their faces illuminated with the soft blue lights of their helmets."Ambassador." They say. Wise looks at each of them."Doctors." He replies with a subtle nod. "Excuse me." He floats past them up to the pod where your speaker's body hangs in zero G, held aloft in a standing position like seaweed drifting in the current. "So, how do I do this, exactly?""Remove useless fake skin and enter." Your speaker says. Several spindly arms reach out from within the pod. Wise looks back at the two doctors, and they nod quickly, goading him on as they hold up their notepads with fascination.cont.
>>47636466There isn't going to be any direct watching, we're putting him into a giant eldritch cunt first.
>>47636436>shitposting.The only shitpost was the QTS bait, everything else was actual discussion you whined about fuckface.
>>47636236Namefag all you want m8. Your bitching is what bothers me. If/When we start to fall off the board QD will make a new thread if he still has runtime available. He has never, ever, told us he dislikes discussion in the thread so cool it.
>>47636497>>47636436Will you fuckfaces just fuck already?
>>47636473Quest Drone, you really should value write-ins as having more weight than simple votes, otherwise none of them will ever be chosen.
>>47636473"I'm sure there are many things you could teach us." There ONLY AFTER OUR SWEET SCIENCE
>>47636517IN THE FACEEEE sorry that was funnier in my head
>>47636523It's fine man, no need to bother questdrone.>>47636517I will never fuck that fuckface, his face is too fucking ugly.
>>47636473>"Remove useless fake skin and enter." Your speaker says.I've always loved how our speakers word things.
>>47636529We drop two globs of hive steem cells in and thirty seconds later we let him out
>>47636498Fine.I just wanted to avoid 4 threads taking up 1 ordeal.>>47636473I imagine the look on Wise's face to all of this should be recorded for our other children to laugh at.
>>47636589>It's fine man, no need to bother questdrone.Not bringing real issues forward is worse than just offering mindless praise. I hate it when my readers do that.Sure, it's fine in this instance, what's done is done and it wasn't a big deal in the first place. But it's a fact that no write in will ever win against a regular vote if they're weighed equally.
>>47636523Not when they are retarded.>>47636596They will have to earn that.
>>47636597Questdrone didn't mind multiple threads, as long as we were thinking up good ideas.
>>47636589>It's fine man, no need to bother questdrone.You best be fucking joking. He raises a valid point.
>>47636629I don't know he's pretty good at incorporating write ins with what the vote is even things that people ignore
>>47636597>Fine.>I just wanted to avoid 4 threads taking up 1 ordeal.Mate are you fucking new to this quest or something? Multiple threads are pretty common and not a single person has complained about it. Until you.
>>47636661Only valid in the abstract. QuestDrone already has a strong track record of making sure to turn write-ins into non-writeins and ensuring a fair vote over them is had-- like that 'admit hive is immortal?' bit in thread 53.This one was just both retarded and not important enough.
>>47636597If that's the case then one wonders why you indulge in petty school yard tier name calling. It's only going to get us to the bump limit that much faster.
>>47636723>>47636705Agree with both. QD's pretty solid with including writeins.
>>47636723I think it isn't completely trivial if we go back on the promise we made to the dude about giving him improved eyes.
>>47636629The options from the past few posts have been plucked directly from our discussion.
>>47636739Oh right, the promise.Well you know what they say about promises, anon.
>>47636739This is our first diplomacy attempt and we need a good first impression, can't go back on the promise or we will end up looking like the valen.>>47636466This would be hilarious if QD added it
>>47636765They get forgotten during hiatuses?
>>47636765We better not fucking be jewing him. I'd feel bad.>>47636771It'd be cool, God damn I remember when we first made/ran into the bug. God bless its sassy mouth.
>>47636473The pod's arms reach out and swiftly jab a needle into Wise's arm, he jumps with fright, his legs stumbling in the zero gravity as his body seeks something to jump off from."That is to prevent pain." Your speaker says as the arms reach out, dragging Wise's body into the pod as he loses consciousness."You mean an anesthetic? Would we be able to get a sample, to compare it with our own?" One of the doctors says. Your speaker chitters as it feigns relief."Humans know this. That is good." Your speaker says as the arms within the pod, illuminated by the subtle glow, unfold into scoop-like claws and plunge into Wise's skull."Very simple. Improvement will not take long." Your speaker says over the muffled grinding sound as the components of the synthetic eyes rattle their way down the hollow tubes of the surgical arms. "Very simple."The pod produces the new organs, a pair of small, oblong spheres of unformed goo, and thrusts them into the sockets where the unformed cells within quickly begin adapting to the new body, growing muscles to connect to the head, and creating nerves and blood vessels to link with the body. The iris begins to form, flexing open and closed, testing the new muscles as electricity runs through the nerves as your pod links into Wise's nervous system to run a proper diagnostic. His memories pour out like water, sloshing about without order or purpose as his mind drifts freely in unconsciousness.Please roll 1d100 to quickly memory dive and grab what you can as the procedure finishes.>>47636629>Not bringing real issues forward is worse than just offering mindless praise.I can agree with that for sure. I always try to incorporate write-ins, especially if they're not exclusive to the other option, and if they seem to be closing in on a vote I try to give it extra time or even ask for a re-vote with the write-in added. If it looks like I ignored something, I honestly just missed it and am very sorry.
>>47636794>We better not fucking be jewing himbut that would mean not providing the very best of our services
Rolled 91 (1d100)>>47636808
Rolled 45 (1d100)>>47636808For Mother
Rolled 77 (1d100)>>47636808NO JEW FOR HIM!
Rolled 64 (1d100)>>47636808
Rolled 18 (1d100)>>47636808For mother?
Rolled 85 (1d100)>>47636808
>>47636821Fuck yes Good Drone
>>47636808>grab what you can as the procedure finishes.I thought by the numbers, on the pastebin, all surgeries take 1 day.But fluff wise I guess we can say in this case this procedure really is fast.How long would it normally take to download everything? I thought we were pretty rapid at the memory download.
>>47636808We should thank them for the human genome samples
>>47636887Recovery time could be a reason
>>47636904>This speaker believes mother has pretty much figured out how humans work now. We will make our own Wise.
>go to sleep mid-thread>wake up after it's over>catch up on HQQ>see this>>47521731>a large highlight indicating it has reached warp velocity.Why didn't you guys just have Michael tell the captain to go to warp immediately and get outta there instead of a risky engagement?
>>47636887Well if the procedure does take one day we could switch to the new queen search then come back here when it is done.Or just timeskip.
>>47636904Ahaha, yes.We should also thank them for the opportunity to work on a new organism, humans in general, and compliment the responsiveness of their gut bacteria but patronize their awful skeletal structure.
>>47636808I wonder what color they will be. Hope we get some awesome dirt>inb4 plot to absorb the hive>>47636821BASED ANON!>>47636961Hrm I dont know about the gut thing, might make them get the wrong idea. No one needs to know about our pets.
>>47636961Yes, we must reach maximum cheekieness (even if it's not a real word)
>>47636961>The speaker begins to list all the advantages and detriments humans have with extreme detail.Definitely do this, the doctors must be spooked with maximum cheek.
>>47636961Ask the humans who designed them and comment that they are awful at this
>>47636963You wanted to bait the humans? To do what?
>>47636991Colored eyeballs can look pretty freaky, I think I remember one case where they were green in this quest?
>>47637019To take over thier medical care
>>47636991Light yellow and green.
When will we meet the breeky to our cheeky?
>>47636904>>47636961It's a clever way to get them to assume that this wasn't as much a one-sided deal as it may have looked from their perspective initially.While they remain pleasantly ignorant of mothers' true intentions.
>>47637032That looks fucking awesome. I've seen black and blue sclera, but green looks way cooler.
>>47637051Yep pretty much I mean we've had the human genome for months now.
>>47637032Thats what lyle's were right? >>47637041Thank you anon
>>47637071That looks like someone scribbled on her eyes with a sharpie to me.
>>47637085Ugh... shivers don't say freaky stuff like that
>>47637071Purple is nice, tooToo bad this shit is completely permanent>>47637085You'd think that, but no, they inject ink with a syringe
>>47636808You know what we could do on this trip to the battleship.Swap out our speaker drone there for a newer model.I'd like it to have a self defense/drug pharmacy hidden in its mandibles where no one can see it until it's used. A Spitter gland and Stinger whip.And maybe a USB-cord in there too to speak with computers. We already have a cybernetic bio-digital interface why no adaptation QD?Though we can make a big show of taking apart one of their computers first to pretend we're only reverse engineering it now, in a manner of minutes.
>>47637129That is rather nice, I also just found out that they come in other colors too.
>>47637145Some even have two colors, one on each side, but I think that's the highest precision there is.
>>47637129>TumblrBut on a more important note, Isn't that shit really bad for your eyes?
>>47637109>Ugh... shiversDid you get lost on the way to comment on somebody's deviantart?
>>47636961>"This speaker is surprised to learn that human reproductive hormones are also multipurposed to increasing aggression and causing hunger. This is a curious evolutionary adaptation."
>>47637158I read about it and medical opinions were, as you'd expect, completely against it. But it seems like nobody went blind yet or anything. Some guy had the ink spread into his skin so he now perpetually looks like he has a black eye, the way you get the day after you've been punched.>tumblrTumblr is a lot like 4chan as I understand it. Infamous for a very small part of the website.
>>47637138>Though we can make a big show of taking apart one of their computers first to pretend we're only reverse engineering it now, in a manner of minutes.The cheeky must flow.
>>47637169Please, let's focus on what's really important.They only have one heart.I mean we already went over the fact that their outer casing is so squishy and leaky.
>>47636808Wise stands in a dark room, lit only by the screens around the room, each showing the recordings of a ship's sensors and visual imagery of the battle. Others have graphs, charts of data, sensor readings and energy outputs, velocity analysis and munition reports."Were you briefed?" Commandant Zadornov stands in front of the screens, the hologram of the Grand Marshal next to him."Partially." Wise says. "I was informed there was a first contact event, and it was determined my expertise in xeno studies makes be qualified to assist in official contact procedures.""The screens around you show everything we know so far. Our forces were under attack, and losing, an unknown force of overwhelming strength then shows up out of nowhere, obliterates the enemy, and leaves the system." Zadornov says. "Our intelligence networks are on fire right now. It won't be long until this gets out, even the Union will hear about it if they haven't already. There's no way to keep a lid on this.""So we're going to go in head first." Marshal Magnus says. We need to be the face of humanity, not the Union. That's a narrative we can't afford to lose, especially with an alien force that powerful." He holds out his hand beyond the hologram's rim and a set of files appear in the air next to him, each showing an image of one of your ships.cont.>>47636887Yea, but that does include recovery time. Under normal circumstances recovery is done in the pod, although nothing prevents it from happening outside of it.>>47636951That was a planned simulation to plan out the battle and organize the firing computer. The highlight indicated that when the ship reached that point it would be ready to warp. Such close quarters combat unfolds in a fraction of a second, so humans must have their targeting computer plan it out ahead of time.
>>47637210No think about it anon it's a great design choice considering that if the had two hearts they'd bleed out twice as fast.
>>47637225>It won't be long until this gets out, even the Union will hear about it if they haven't already. There's no way to keep a lid on this.You know what we should do? Make first contact with the union like really soon!
>>47637249In an equally terrifying and impressive way.
>>47637225Fuck yesAlways wondered how they reacted when we showed up
>>47637249We already know and agree on that.>>47637259I enjoy the thought of it, but I doubt there's a way to do it without looking like a threat. The commonwealth world we found under siege probably doesn't have a union equivalent we can just conveniently save in the next few days.
>>47637225zadornov reminds me.It's spelled 'do svidaniya', not Dasvidania
>>47637188I loved that part in stiener's lab.>>47637225I gotta wonder how a human fleet would hold up to ours now. Heh I remeber when we were scrambling to hide from them, now heh
>>47637225We need to make our fleet even bigger.
>>47637325Oh man fucking with stiener was the best
>>47632573>20 Light Fleets [Under construction]>not listed under >Construction underwayAlso doesn't Dillon have electrical implants and second heart by now, he's still at base human upkeep.Also where are these Fleets currently statted out canonically? You can't just rely on the ever shifting wiki talk page for current status, people can suggest improvements on the wiki that aren't voted on yet.
>>47637353I think it's a lot bigger than it was back then.We need to start building a dozen extra hiveships though. One is so not enough, and it hasn't even been built yet.
>>47637288Unless we made one.All we need is a world with shit we could use some samples of and a batch of visually distinct ships grown just to be a dummy attack force. We swoop in and save them from ourselves, look like heroes, and discretely pick up some loot in the process.
>>47637386The citadel is jam packed man, we really just need to sue the Alpha Design from 1d4chan. It's a bit more... economical.
>>47637407>>47637386I still say we need a specialty Hive Ship just for fucking shit up in terrifying fashion. Scary black carapace, loads of spikes, double-sized engines, and fill every last weapon slot with singularity projectors.Functionally invulnerable, undefeatable, give it a rip drive for the theme bonus.
>>47637385I think he lumped those fleets in with the defenses(or forgot about em)
>>47637225"They seem biomechanical in nature, if not outright biological." Wise says."Scanners detected metallic components, although how they are used is still up in the air." Zadornov says simply. "They did, however, provide us with a set of coordinates in deep space. You're going to depart to this location as quickly as possible.""A small formation will be assigned the mission. Nothing too flashy, but still enough to make it look like we've got weight to throw around." The marshal says. He shakes his head as if to correct himself. "Nothing to try and intimidate, just, enough to look like we're on equal footing is all. After that fleet blew through our system I don't want to go poking the hive, but we also don't know what they expect of us.""You're worried they may interpret a small or unarmed ship as weakness?" Wise asks. The marshal nods."Or an insult, yes. All we can do is guess here.""Well if those ships really are biological in nature, even partially, that would imply a vast technological advantage, at least in biology.""Correct, that is the general consensus of our experts." Zodornov says. "What's more, their weapons were largely unidentifiable. Experts claim they were using plasma weapons of some kind, but the range is way too long. We have a team looking into it but they're stumped for now. Not to mention their FTL is still a mystery. We detected high energy pikes from their direction, but the battle left most of the fleet blind from either damage or debris. Nobody got a clear look."cont.>>47637305You sure? I spent an hour before the thread looking it up. I'd either get alphabet soup or a direct to english translation.
>>47637402Or let OQ continue her scouting until she meets a union ship, but I'm not really in favor of building a fake hero scenario since any diplomacy will be with killinger and his merry band of dumbasses.I need to mention that the union has already met us in leeland so we could just wait for the ship that is scheduled to go there and open communications there
>>47637461>>47637407>>47637386No, what we need is a beehivestar, hundreds of times bigger than any hiveship.
>>47637461>black carapace.Nah, OQ has horrible fashion sense, dark red all the way.
>>47637492This.Red is best.Red is fastest.
>>47637492>dark redNo, no, no. Light red, anon.
>>47637481What about a.....WORMSTAR
>>47637492like a garnet or dried blood red, maybe make it have a subtle glow to it like magma, only crimson red?
>>47632957>The development score makes quite the difference.Yes but it's said to be a linear multiplier. Either the description of crunch is wrong, the result is wrong, or the development level is wrong.Since (90+20)*1k*25 = 2.75MN.So development level should actually be, like. 0.1 or something, which would be 11KN, and the whatever modifiers get it down to 3.75KN.
>>47637481Why don't we just corral severak stars into dyson spheres and use those as the centre engines for building the most gigantic organic ship the universe will have ever known?Surely, it'd be quite practical for intimidation purposes, and I'm not basing this on any other media whatsoever.
>>47637474These guys are competent
>>47637474>I don't want to go poking the hiveHaaaa, nice.
>>47637492Mindfucking redshifted Hellstar Ship could also be cool.
>>47637492Everything we own needs to be red.Because thematics.
>>47637474Aww yiss, we spooky space bugs.
>>47637476Would be hilarity if we still pretended we were primitives.>Hello sky people, we thank you for the gift of fire you have given us.>Now we can fly across the stars, explore new worlds, build utopias, all because of your benevolence.
>>47637474Roughly. дo cвидáния is anglicized that way.https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/do_svidaniya#English
>>47637520Mother a cute. Cute!
>>47637560My mental image of all hive units and ships is a sort of greenish-yellow base color with streaks of red. Though QD has said that the base color is more like a very deep dark-green.
>>47637589I had the same mental image, actually.
>>47637589I thought it was white with pink stripes because of our mother?
>>47637474>"What's more, their weapons were largely unidentifiable. Experts claim they were using plasma weapons of some kind, but the range is way too longHAHA PLASMA FUNNELING STILL FAVORITE WEAPON >>35334758>By projecting a vortex of magnetic fields towards the target, plasma can be funneled into a more focused area at longer range, preventing plasma plumage. Increases range of the Plasma LanceThat takes me back to early threads. Thanks, Skyl data cube.
>>47637560And because that means we can build some blue ones and completely blindside people. Give them their own speaker, mime a conversation, suddenly the humans are shitting their pants because Oh God, we've only been chatting with one faction.
>>47637612That's the Queen's coloration. The drones are different. Also IIRC most of the pink was due to the diet of spore jelly.
>>47637645That sounds absolutely fucking hilarious. Make a whole bunch of color coded "Factions" just to freak people out
>>47637623We should use plasma funneling on the lighting guns since thier main weakness is range
>>47637652Yep, our mom was more of a marble white. The Red Queen is pinkish white mostly with darker red highlights iirc.
>>47637521I like the way you think anon
>>47637667One for every color except black.If the humans ever ask, every speaker simultaneously drops their continually confrontational chatter and spits.
>>47637652Yea you are right, pastebin says workers are dark green and warriors are dark green or black.
>>47637667It would also throw them off the idea that we're a single and unified hivemind. Can you imagine the sneakier humans thinking they can play our factions against each other? Doomed of course to failure, and hilarity.
>>47637699"We no speak of black one! Hisss!""Yes! But second worst is yellow ones.""GOLD TEAM RULES!"
>>47637645I fully support this. Have our red hive do shit with the Commonwealth while a blue hive contacts the Union, with a green hive presenting itself as 'mercenary' and a yellow one as merchants/scientists. Have a bunch of secondary and tertiary colours mixed in with the latter two to make it seem like even more hives are out there.The more divided we seem the less of a threat we appear to be. The only common thing is that every single drone has to react badly whenever the idea of a black hive is mentioned.
>>47637667A hilarious plan but way too costly for ourselves, it would be better to lay our own queens and meet them when they build their first ship, then just introducing them to human and valen politics
>>47637699>>47637667>>47637645>>47637725Oh my god. This is just... IT'S SO EVIL. Just pretend to be a massive races with disparate factions to play them... Theres no way they'd ever find out either...
>>47637748>our own queensYou mean false queens, right?
>>47637748>lay our own queensplz noWe'll make babies when this part of the galaxy is secure.
>>47637756Just imagine, we wouldn't have to pretend if only we laid a few daughter queens
>>47637748Color-coding is probably the most cost effective apparent diffusing of our power, as we'd still retain control and wouldn't actually be concerned with inner politics. The idea is misdirection, it loses purposes if its true.
>>47637474"You want me to initiate first contact, then?" Wise asks. Marshal Magnus nods his head."Correct." He says. "Figure out how they think, what they eat, what they like and don't like. I want you out on a date. The Union smells blood from this invading hoard we're dealing with, and it won't be long before they use it to attack us, pinch us between two fronts. When that time comes we need a dance partner and those ships know how to tango.""You want me to ask them about a defence alliance, then?""Hell no. Haven't you ever gone on a date, Wise?" The Marshal says, he gives a half smile as he closes his eyes to picture something. "You have to be subtle, gentle, take things slow." He says, then he punches the air. "Otherwise you end up waking up to something you don't recognize holding alimony papers in your face as they take the house! We're in this for a long term relationship, Wise, just ask them what their favorite food is or something and try to get a second date. We can work on joint military actions in time. So long as you keep us out of the dog house.""Of course." Wise says, unsure of what his orders actually are. He salutes regardless."Our scientists also desperately want something, anything they can get their hands on." Zadornov says calmly. "Their medical technology is clearly far beyond ours. We have no idea what we could learn from even a single cell of their bio-tech, but at the same time, if we show weakness we may lose any bargaining position they may think we have."cont.>>47637524I'll look it over. I did a lot of finagling with numbers trying to get it to a level where it made sense and didn't screw everyone over, so I probably made a mistake and wrote it down wrong.
>>47637748>>47637782Also, >way too costlyWe have unlimited mental resources and there is nothing stopping us from developing planets just like any of our daughters would. More queens does not increase production, at all.
>>47637782No false queens will do for now.>>47637775mhm once we have established the perimeter we can experiment making adorable cheeky daughters
>>47637791It wouldn't gain us anything. All we'd achieve is splitting up our fleet between supposedly rival factions.
>>47637735Green can have some shitty asteroid base and yellow can be just consist solely of their own little fleet!
>>47637748No. We've been through this hundreds of times. Laying new Queens means more players who are not under our direct control with an agenda of their own which may conflict with our own plans. Given the fragility of our ruses set throughout human space. That would be a bad idea.>>47637805>I want you out on a dateSLOW DOWN THERE ROMEO
>>47637805Fuck i like how this admiral thinks
>>47637775Of course we will, i just don't see the reason to fake multiple factions when we can make real ones.And if you are worried about loyalty, just unite them with the power of cheekyness.
>>47637829Yeah, sounds like he's earned his brass.
>>47637805Why are all the Commonwealth commanders so based?...dear Christ, do they actually have a properly functioning, non-corrupt meritocracy?!
>>47637817There'd be no need to split fleets between allied factions, a federation of sorts of divergent species, as that certainly would also defeat the purpose.
>>47637805>"I want you out on a date."We should pretend like we think the commonwealth is trying to court us. "This is strange mating ritual. Intriguing! We do the dance now, yes? For mother!"
>>47637865A little too telling, senpai.
>>47637857Getting your shit kicked in by your colonies and accidentally destroying your own homeworld can do that to a people.
>>47637827>agenda of their own which may conflict with our own plansExcept you're fucking wrong?Questdrone has said many times before that any daughter queens would be loyal to us and work with us.
>>47637829>>47637839oh nohes going to end up being queenies husbando
>>47637817We wouldn't actually be splitting our fleet too much, and it would make us appear less unified than we are. Continued misdirection is useful.
>>47637858It can't defeat a purpose that doesn't exist in the first place. The only reason we're "considering" this is because it's a funny prank. Mind you, that doesn't mean we absolutely shouldn't do it, it would be in-character for Mother, I'm just doubtful so much OOC attention should be spent on something that's ultimately irrelevant.
>>47637889Let's not go crazy.
>>47637865Too revealing, anon. Gotta be subtle.
>>47637902This anon is right.We should ask the human doctors about human mating rituals.And ask them if we can observe.
>>47637829He is so much better than killinger.We might have to be blunt and suggest a defense pact quickly so we can move past human politics and deal with OQ and the crystal god.
>>47637805Would any daughters birthed be loyal to us? Sorry if its been ask, just might as well clear it up again. >>47637918>That is such an ineffective way of transferring genetics>It takes 9months, Too slow must improve!
>>47637889That spot belongs to lee or Theseus.The new guy can have the mystery queen.
>>47637805"He has a good point." The marshal says as he points a finger to Zadornov. "We can't let them know exactly where we stand until we know where they stand. And they likely will follow the same rule." He smiles and claps his hands. "So again, just like a date. We'll sit down and tell each other exaggerated white lies until one of us figures the other out. Then we can get the real negotiations rolling, but until then we need to worry about accidentally doing something blasphemous, or somehow making us look like the bad guys because we don't sing war songs for their dead or some hogwash nonsense like that."The marshal looks around him, and then picks up some papers from a desk off screen. He flips through several pages."Now if we have anything to go by, we can bet they really fuckin' hate these rattlesnake bastards we're having a hard time with ourselves, if only because they fought them like an ex-wife playing keep-sies with the family commercial fleet in divorce court. Bring that up first. Don't ask for help, just bring it up and gauge their reaction. After that try to get them to either open an embassy or send someone to us.""Of course, sir." Wise says. He holds out his data pad and the files in the air download and appear on the screen. He flips through them. "When will I be departing?""Your ship is ready to launch now." The marshal says. "Get in your sunday best and show them what you've got."Alright, if you'd like, I can call it here for this thread and get another set up while we use the rest of this one for designs and general discussion.
>>47637930From what I understand they would be loyal, but would sometimes fight among themselves for resources. Which again, is why I see no reason to give up direct control of resources at this time.
Doesn't the Commonwealth also have plans for the god-killer cannon? They fired it off once. I think we could be in a good position to negotiate for that information.
>>47637919No anon god that's crass. Don't you see. Then you would be the one reeking of desperation.We want a subtle smooth slide into their DMs. So we get the chance to sweep someone's brain for classified information we need on where the database that contains the data on the psionic cannon lies, for example.
>>47637886>In many ways, making a queen is like making a Vassal in addition to having a daughter. She will do her own thing and look after her own goals, but will typically differ to your authority and leadership. She would count as an ally for sure, but at the end of the day any planet you land her on would be hers, not yours, even though it would fall within your dynasty's borders.Looks anon we this sounds cool and all but maybe after the war with the race traitor with resources rivalling ours is over? We need to get the most out of every world we can get our hand on right now, we dont have any we can spare for a daughter learning how to walk.
>>47637930They would, mechanically and fluff speaking, essentially be vassals. They do their own thing and have their own agendas, even fight their own occasional skirmish between each other, but your orders tend to trump whatever things they are doing.
I'm not immediately against the idea of one daughter queen, but I don't think this is the right time for it. I'd like to see who the mystery queen is, perhaps she is a sister!
>>47637899I would posit the original reasoning, it's an entertaining misdirection but still one makes us look less powerful which may have its own uses, but I feel you don't believe that so it's the same impasse as before. I don't consider it only as a funny time wasting prank as much as it is fun and cheeky, and my opinion on those details won't change. Moreso for the matter of not having more queens, at this point in time or for any reason related to this.
>>47637996Speaking of fluff, i may have let it slip to him that hive quest is back
>>47637996Thank you QD for the answer, sorry if its constantly being repeated. Been along time sense I caught your threads.
>>47637996See? No harm in laying a single daughterAlthough we should discover this mystery queen we helped rescue
>>47637955Can we add a bio-digital interface to drones like we do to clones with cybernetics.Feel like the speaker could use one.As well as a stinger whip and spitter gland. Do those combine, does the latter allow the former to inject venom? It's not mentioned in the pastebin description.
>>47638024He's gotten slightly better at not being a complete piece of shit. Slightly.
>>47637996Still have them working in a confined area of space would just cause problems if we want to have daughters we should explore the other side of human space more towards the galactic center
>>47637996Well in that case I really don't see the issue with having a few daughters.Raise them well and everything will be fine, right?
>>47637955How effective would it be to color code some ships and drones and pretend that they're another "faction"Can we please do this for the love of god I would die laughing and I want to die happy
>>47638014Totally calling that she's the builders spawn she is the only other queen other than mother that survived
>>47637955What ever works for you QD>>47637996Could we repurpose a fake queen to a full scale daughter? oh qd just how "secure are our borders now? I mean we must have a sizeable defense compared to some of the other factions by now right?
>>47637955You said something about mass espionage mechanics?>>47635801Dropping a pod full of 4 hybrids an egglayer and a hundred flies on Mentan for dem [RESEARCH UNLOCKED] when?
>>47638070>repurpose a fake queen to a full scale daughterWhat do you mean by that? You know fake queens are just mobile egglayer drones that look like us right? They aren't special at all.
>>47638054No no daughter arcs yet!>>47638056Can you feel it? Can you see those rolls? Can you taste that salty rage?
>>47637955Viewing scouting pods whenScouting every system within range, as would be most logical IC yet difficult OOC, when
>>47638028We should make sure our daughter has a safe (read: no other substantially powerful civilizations) planet to grow up on.As well as 2-3 more planets to expand to.While I support laying one, we need to make sure she'll have space first.>>47638070Fake Queens cannot become Daughters.Fake Queens are just drones that resemble a Queen. Actual Queens have large and advanced brains. They need to go through a larval stage first.
>>47638113>No no daughter arcs yet!Yes daughter arcs! Time to be a single mom!
>>47638109I mean have it go cacoon and just repurpose on the spot, Though I supose it would just be smarter to lay one then. I think we need to find a new planet and let it grow up there IF we actually make a new queen. BUT as this anon stated >>47637827we are not yet powerful enough to have (and protect) vassals, YET.
Oh god are we gonna have to designer baby new queens?!
When we do eventually get a daughter when hell freezes over I kind of want to see what would happen if we just shot our load onto different planets to see what kind of queens they'd produce.
>>47638113Daughter's we are having children!
>>47638147I'd much rather have a massive colonizing spree and gear up for war
Let's not have kids right now.
>>47638162It's not like it would prevent us from doing that at the same time in any way you know.
Let's have kids RIGHT NOW!
>>47637962I agree that we can't appear desperate but i still feel that we need to move the negotiations faster.Everything else about the psionic cannon is just too stupid, we would be trading a long time ally for a bonus in researching the cannon which we can just do normally.I prefer his suggest about approaching the subject and negotiating for the information at a later date.>>47637961>>47638147NO GOD DAMN DAUGHTERS UNTIL WE HAVE KILLED THE DARK GOD!
Can we have a vote on daughters/no daughters next thread, QD? I get the feeling its three or four people hyping it up, and if we don't get it out of the way soon its going to be a constant shitfight
>>47638159Speaking of whichQD >>47637996 was loading daughters into pods and sent off to other planets to for survival of the fittest a common thing or was that just us?
>>47632597>Due to balance issues, nutrient income is multiplied by 1k as well, using the following equations.What did this mean?Does balance mean making Metals into the limiting factor on fleet growth?
>>47638159hehe that might be hilariously good/bad.boring.>>47638162agreed>>47638161we have BILLIONS of children already, we dont need a new special daughter yet, we still have the good doctor after all.>>47638186At least not till we have Murdered our emo prick of a sister anyway.
>>47638070Your planets have some rather effective defense buildings for sure, and the fleet you currently possess is capable of decently protecting it when collected together.More or less anything that shows up in one of your systems will very quickly wish they had chosen to spend their day punching a hornet nest instead, if that's what you're asking.>>47638104Yes, essentially what I have now is a kind of layered system in which you can start a hive on an enemy or otherwise occupied planet. It then can choose one of 5 "levels" of infiltration, which starts at "hiding and not doing anything" like your Huron hive, and ends at "controls absolutely everything and has infected or replaced every political, economic, and cultural figure worth mentioning" with a good range of options in between. As you go up the scale, the risks of being discovered increase, but you also gain access to more and more special ongoing operations, which a hive can have two active at once. These are essentially just areas of focus, and cause special effects, like focusing on spreading your hive's influence over a planet's news networks, for example.After that, there are "actions" which have various requirements, and are one-time events that spend resources, clones, and intelligence networks to do something immediate, like killing a political figure, blowing up an anti-orbital battery, knocking out the power grid, ect.Still working on it.
>>47638186>NO GOD DAMN DAUGHTERS UNTIL WE HAVE KILLED THE DARK GOD!So never then? Cause that's the Endgame of the quest
We have another uprising from the daughter faction to crush again
>>47638186>no X until after the quest is overYou suck at this.
>>47638200I feel similarly for the faction nonsense. We don't need any pretend factions. It serves no purpose.
>>47638173It's bin 54 threads it bin long enough!
>>47638181Well Queens need a ton of nutrients to develop as well as time we would just save time colonizing and get more out of it
>>47638186>>47637961That whole shindig is classified under so much secrecy that us even suggesting that terra (which we shouldn't know about) had a moon at one time would go firing off alarms in every single one of their top secret database facilities to see where they got breached.It's not something anyone is supposed to know about.
Should maybe think about kids when aunty is dead
>>47638223No they don't. Not compared to our current industry. You think we can field many thousands of bio-spaceships but can't make one queen? Please.
>>47638186>we can just do normallyNo we can't. Not without drawing aggro. What part of the white queen's "I cannot test it myself" that she told the Builder did you not comprende."Allies" are only as useful as the secret science we can obtain from them. Everything else is just them using nutrients and metals that could be turned into hive ships.
>>47638220It serves the purpose of hiding our growth and making our presence less insanely terrifying.
>>47638219There are two dark ones we have to kill/eat: Emo bitch queen and What ever made the crystals.Splitting our faction should come at the halfway mark, not at the start man.>>47638214How long could the hive last under siege? Oh and Did we ever get around to making planet sized shields and what effect does our terraforming efforts have to better harden our defense agaisnt bombardment (namely human and ceph)
>>47638232So I had an idea concerning Earth. The Hive blinks in a large fleet to Earth and begin cleaning up the debris field. Union and Commonwealth flip out and the Hive simply replies,"The Hive is cleaning mess of Humans. Humans make many messes that Hive must clean. Much cleaning to do, Humans make mess everywhere they go"
>>47638208>We have billions of children alreadyNah, actually as of the last thread with a concrete count on drones we had about 300k. That's part of why I always pushed to lay fucktons of workers and other general drones, damn I'm glad that's been streamlined away.
>>47638279Pretty sure we'd get fucking shot down and destroyed. State that we'd just found the world during a jump for lots of juicy food.
>>47638279Why? If we wanted to clean up space junk for no appreciable reason, why would we start at Earth? it makes no sense.
>>47638250That end game stuff you are talking about and I want a DAUGHTER be for this game is over.
>>47638216>>47638219I am not bringing children into a universe with OQ and the crystal god in it, they are cowards, bullies, cads and thief's. Our daughters deserve better than being around such a bad influence.
>>47638279That would freak them out because we know the location of Earth which is fucking deep inside Human Space.
So... second thread? were on page 9...
>>47638279Then they look at each other and wonder what they can offer us for a not fucked up earth
>>47638279Might not start at earth, but I enjoy the mental image of queeny acting ridiculously motherly and cleaning up after humans
>>47638315Fine, Daughter AFTER we ground the OQ to dust.>inb4 the Crystals turn her to the dark sideNot my problem anymore.
>>47638330see>>47637955>Alright, if you'd like, I can call it here for this thread and get another set up while we use the rest of this one for designs and general discussion.
>>47638206Metals are needed to build, but not for upkeep, while nutrients are needed for both. When I tried calculating both with the same equation, it ended up either making so many metals it became meaningless, or made so little nutrients it was impossible to not starve.If you want, we can have a vote on laying daughters after the part two thread, now that the scouting of the jungle planet is largely finished.>>47638269A siege is largely meaningless, since once you're in orbit you become open to counter attack, or get pelted by anti-orbital weapons. Orbital bombardment to remove surface threats is the standard way to go, unless the surface has a fragile target that needs to be taken in tact.If someone wanted to attack you, they'd likely try to glass the planet, then invade to mop up, and find a decent majority of your drones are still perfectly fine underground.Shields are still being researched, and while terraforming would do little to help against an attack, it could be used to clean up the damage rather well.
>>47638269>Splitting our faction should come at the halfway mark, not at the start man.We are far past the point where we can easily support it right now. There is no point in waiting, all it does is weaken us.>>47638324That's very nicely acted out way to say you don't want it to ever happen, yes, but nobody asked for melodrama.If we ever want daughters to happen they need to happen before the quest is over. That much is obvious. Stop ignoring this fact.
>>47638279How does that benefit us to piss off two galactic powers? >>47638306see anon I love adorable mini queens too but >>47638250Is right, the bad influence sister must be re-purposed before more queens can be birthed safely. >>47638315game wont end with sister emo dead. >>47638329Id rather them not know otherwise they will beef up security, though >>47638341this idea is funny, maybe go salvage a battleground or something and find some nifty tech maybe?
>>47638365Ah, missed that bit at the end, sorry.
>>47638368>we can have a vote on laying daughters after the part two threadCan we just please not?
There's only one thing we want from the Commonwealth.Planets.Like negotiating with another hive for territory."That's a nice world there. What do you want for it?"Of course, once they explain how the tribute/taxation system works, and how each world pays a levy.We can just pay in kind to assume control of the world at the price of 10 times the current annual levy.Why recruit a levy of soldiers to train when they can get some quantum-brained, acid-glands warriors to recruit into their army, instructed to listen to human orders (until Mother says otherwise)?Giving away planets to aliens is quite insane, but if one of their worlds is rebellious enough. They have a lot of rebellions to put down right? Trying out bug government might be an improvement.
>>47638401sssssssssssssssssssssshut up you
>>47638368Can we also add an option to colonize as many plants as we can support
>>47638383no worries m8
>>47638408We don't need planets from them. There's endless planets out there for the taking that nobody has staked a claim to yet.
So, from what we're seeing the commonwealth is completely fucked as is, they've been taking far heavier losses and generally covering it up with propaganda, leaving us in a good position to move in, at least once we figure out what it is they actually want. The nice thing with us too is we can colonize planets they're unwilling or unable to, or terraform planets of theres. Also gotta enjoy the analysis as well.
>>47638378>weakenThat makes no sense.
>>47638378We only have 3 planets(for now), and black queen has her mind domination bullshit. That is just asking to shit all over us man. >>47638417Not the right time asssssshole>>47638423I thought thats what we have been doing only slowly?
>>47638368Vote on the new thread if only to shut them up about the daughters. That way we can at least count IPs.
>>47638368Before anything else I'd like to learn what the hell was underneath that cloud cover on that planet in Refuge.
>>47638368I would rather opt for "Don't do the thing!" until we get the line with the hunt for Lyle all tied up. We've got quite a few threads in this tapestry of a story already and adding a daughter would muddy it up.
>>47638408uhh nowe want them to act as a buffer against the scavs and make sure the union doesn't control all of human space
One thing I'm terrified about is if it is a friendly queen on the planet we rescued that the Anti-Daughter Queen mob will immediately vote to kill her, becoming the new Obsidian Queen, a Blood Queen
>>47638232Unless we show up with the psionic cannon already completed, or showing them that we were the ones that told them how to build it.>>47638329wise has already told us about earth and the moon blowing up.
>>47638455I think we can support more than two other colonies that have indigenous inhabitants heck one of them is a human colony
>>47638453Two heads are better than one.Don't put all your eggs in one basket.Strength in numbers.Etc.>>47638455>We only have 3 planets(for now), and black queen has her mind domination bullshit. That is just asking to shit all over us man.One of several queens on our side being dominated is a LOT better than the *only* queen we have being dominated.
>>47638446Like what. What marvelous alien-free unclaimed planet are you talking about. The hypothetical ones not on the known star map that are far beyond blink drive range?
>>47638487can someone refresh me on the friendly hive?
>>47638503No they aren't, this is not in any way safer, and we have strength in numbers by laying more drones.
>>47638487>One thing I'm terrified about is if it is a friendly queen on the planet we rescued that the Anti-Daughter Queen mob will immediately vote to kill herUh, you what?That's a retarded leap in logic.
>>47638521Someone warped a pod into space from a planet and it was immediately attacked by the OQ, meaning theres another hive entity or was until very recently. Its possible its creep from another now dead hive though, unlikely but possible.
>>47638521We noticed Hive thoughts coming from a planet OQ had under siege. Some forest moon or something.We're fairly sure the thoughts came from a queen. We're interested in contacting her so we have another Korean Starcraft player to help us wreck OQ.
>>47638521The Obsidian Queens fleet was bombarding a planet aiming for a psionic signal and shooting down ships that tried to escape
>>47638487Nigger this is like abortion. We can debate all we want because we haven't actually laid any daughters yet. Killing another Queen is a different story, because even back then Regicide was tabboo.
>>47638534With ten drones or ten million drones, it's still only one person controlling them. Split those ten million among ten people, and you get a much more effective force, assuming that they agree to be obedient. Which QD told us they will be.
>>47638558OQ committed regicide to begin with, so I vote death to her.
I have an idea! Why don't we start working heavily with the commonwealth and then just absorb them? Adopt all of them! They'll continue doing their own cute little thing while we do grownup stuff, and we protect them from scavs and give them neat gifts, and they'll all see how wonderful their real mother is!
>>47638562Wasn't that also explicitly stated, our drones don't have the same tactical ability, we mostly fight by rolling over the enemy with biological warfare and giant bio balls of death a la zerg.
>>47638562>much more effectiveBitch no they aren't.
>>47638558was going to retort to the assuming fuckboi but you pretty much nailed it.>>47638562FUCKING NO GODDAMNIT WE HAVE DOCTOR VAUGH ALREADY, WE CAN FOCUS ON goddamn potential problems/adorable daughters once our current one is controlling a swarm and our sister is pasted or enslaved. We will still have evil crystal gods to wipe out aftwards you daughter fiends!!!!!
>>47638577Anon I am sorry to tell you this.But you are going to be broken when the little babies finally leave the nest. I'm sorry, anon.
>>47638586That's the point, anon. Queens do have tactical ability. The more queens we have, the more intelligent attention for things like that we have available.
>>47638562>Split those ten million among ten people and you get a much more effective forceassuming that they agree to be obedient. Uh, no. With humans or other sapient species this may be true. Our drones are already biologically designed to be absolutely obedient. How is splitting them with other entities a good idea?
>>47638602Why would they leave the nest? We have everything they could ever want!
>>47638562You are retarded.
>>47638600>FUCKING NO GODDAMNIT WE HAVE DOCTOR VAUGH ALREADY, WE CAN FOCUS ON goddamn potential problems/adorable daughters once our current one is controlling a swarm and our sister is pasted or enslaved. We will still have evil crystal gods to wipe out aftwards you daughter fiends!!!!!You can get extra salty all you want, you still aren't giving an actual reason for why daughters is a bad idea besides "I don't like it ;_;".>>47638605>assuming that they agree to be obedient.That assumption was confirmed to be valid in this very thread by the quest master.Please read.
>>47638604Thinkers fill the role of tactics advisers and do most of the leading Queens are just managers
>>47638615New thread's up.
>>47638643Thinkers are autistic moeblobs without any real will. We still need a queen directing them all.
>>47638604I once more have to enforce the opinion that you are>>47638623
>>47638541Yes, look at all that OQ territory, human territory, and currently-Scav territory that surround us.A grand total of two yet to be charted star systems that probably contain either Scavengers or more fuck-all barren worlds.That is hardly 'endless'.
>>47638562Anon, we don't need more queens to manage our forces effectively.Let me put drones this way:They have no will. They have no drive. They are sapient but not sentient.You don't micromanage them. You tell them to turn something to ashes, and they'll figure out how to do it.If we want them to do it intelligently, we add thinkers in addition to our direction.
>>47638577You get adopted! And you get adopted!All these worlds gonna get adopted!
>>47638645This pic scares me
>>47638604>>47638635dude guys, remember white mother? Yeah remember her kids? YEAH KNOW LIKE THE EVIL BLACK QUEEN, the one who was once a fucking "loyal" daughter? Look how that turned out! No daughters yet, not till we absorb OD and devise a shield against the crystal fucks to protect their minds and loyalty.I am salty because people are obstinate in their desires at times and do not expect logic to sway desire for cute shit that the internet enables.>>47638664and we can give the field drones quantum brains to further allow them flexibility in the field! >>47638680In due time anon.
>>47638661The OQ is the only problem, and even she only holds the about a quarter of our border. The scavs aren't even on our borders yet.>>47638664This isn't true at all. Everything is being micromanaged on several different levels. I can tell you haven't actually been reading this quest.
>>47638645Huh... thats a rather neat picture
>>47638645Ah, outsider, your sci fi sperging will never cease to amuse me.
>>47638699Rembember *us*? There is no way for a daughter to go rogue unless she touches the crystals or something, and we wouldn't be letting her do that.No, I still don't see any real reason for you to be opposed to this.>and we can give the field drones quantum brains to further allow them flexibility in the field! Quantum brains don't do shit. They just put a random factor into the otherwise completely orderly autism of our thinkers. They don't give will or agency to them.
>>47638699Oq was not mom's daughter, they were sisters
>>47638635Many anons have already told you the reasons why laying a daughter while OQ lives is a bad idea.>>47638269>>47638453>>47638455>>47638534And many more have been giving better reasons while I've been typing.>>47638643>>47638664>>47638699
>>47638708>The scavs aren't even on our borders yet.Who cares about 'borders'? And you know that map is outdated and the hive has already claimed both Farcast and Wonder, right? Wonder, basically adjacent to the Scav fleet at the blue star?Borders don't even matter. The question is are there endless unclaimed planets or not?There aren't, not nearby. The unclaimed planets were very limited and we've got just about all of them now. Wonder wasn't even 'unclaimed', we took it from the bloody Scavs.More importantly actually it doesn't matter how many planets there are, all means of obtaining new planets should be pursued, they aren't mutually exclusive.
>>47638766Different anon here, but a lot of those arguments aren't terribly valid under scrutiny.
Personally, I'd rather put off laying Queens u til after OQ is dealt with just to avoid having to teach our kid about fratricide right off the bat.We could totally lay one in a shuttle with a few basic workers, a thinker, a pair of warriors, a vat of nutrients and fungus, and some basic buyout instructions, then just suspend hatching any of them indefinitely. It'd be our emergency "Fuck, Warp out the backup" option.
>>47638766>Many anons have already told you the reasons why laying a daughter while OQ lives is a bad idea.Don't see any here.>>47638269 doesn't give any reasoning.>>47638453 >>47638643 >>47638664 and >>47638534 aren't even talking about this issue specifically, they are discussing whether more queens could control forces more effectively or not, which has no bearing on why daughters would be a *bad* idea, it's at best discussing whether it would be a *good* idea or not.>>47638455 is actually a good reason in favor of daughters, since having more minds would make us less vulnerable to domination than our single mind is right now.>>47638699 is meaningless because all it does is focus on one example of a bad thing happening and ignores the other example of that same bad thing not happening. It's just a soapbox for bias.So no, I still don't see any real argument for why it's a *bad* idea.
>>47638818None any of the reasons for the benefits of having extra queens around are valid under scrutiny.It's all just opinions.
>>47638869Having an emergency queen actually sounds like a decent idea. Put them on a better start. Hey, Mom did it.
>>47638884Basically, there's nothing to lose if we have daughters. The question is if there is anything to gain.
>>47638818Yea but Daughter anon started insulting people>>47638635 when he realized he wont get what he wants.
>>47638849Why couldn't you keep it in this thread?
>>47638913I didn't insult anyone yet, and I'm not actually particularly attached to the idea of daughters. I'm just baffled by the irrational and unreasoned hate some anons are showing for the idea.
>>47638911>nothing to lose>Worlds that would have been put into full production being unavailable for use while the daughter is still learning how to Queen>More micromanaging because lets be honest we'll still micromanage the fuck out of her especially since she's more independent than any thinker, which defeats the apparent purpose
>>47638948I'm not showing irrational hatered. I've stated it in dozens of theads before that we should only lay daughters when the OQ is dealt with and we have way more breathing room than we have now.
>>47638948>I didn't insult anyone yet.you did 15 minutes ago.>You can get extra salty all you want, you still aren't giving an actual reason for why daughters is a bad idea besides "I don't like it ;_;".
>>47638952>Worlds that would have been put into full production being unavailable for use while the daughter is still learning how to QueenWhy would they be unavailable and not in use? Makes no sense.>>More micromanaging because lets be honest we'll still micromanage the fuck out of her especially since she's more independent than any thinker, which defeats the apparent purposeExcept this isn't true, we are micromanaging thinkers because they need it, not because we'd absolutely want to even if it wasn't necessary.>>47638967Anon, when you say something like that you need to come out honestly and say that you don't want to see daughters happen in this quest ever, period. Because that is what you're saying, you're just sugar coating it.We already have more breathing room than all of humanity put together. It's not going to get any more meaningful.>>47638998That's not an insult, I was responding to someone who became so unhinged he was literally screaming in all caps and ignoring punctuation. It's accurate.
>>47639029>Anon, when you say something like that you need to come out honestly and say that you don't want to see daughters happen in this quest everNigger. I want to see the interaction of a new generation of queens with the current political atmosphere.JUST. NOT. RIGHT. NOW.When we barely have half a dozen systems to our name and we're fighting a two front war with one faction which is just as capable as we are.
>>47639076>Nigger. I want to see the interaction of a new generation of queens with the current political atmosphere.The current political atmosphere, the obsidian queen and the crystals, are pretty obviously the entirety of what this quest is about. It's very unlikely it'll run past what's shaping up to be the final boss.If you don't want to see daughters while the quest is still running, just say it. Stop acting like you're saying something else.
>>47639029>We already have more breathing room than all of humanity put togetherWow, 6 systems. 4 of which aren't fully industrialized. None of which we can spare to growing another queen. All the other systems near us that we can get without causing a shitstorm with either the Union or Commonwealth are currently held by enemies that can beat our fleets if we aren't careful.Anon, you're being too optimistic.>>47639102>The current political atmosphere, the obsidian queen and the crystals, are pretty obviously the entirety of what this quest is about.I did not include the Obsidian Queen and the crystals as I consider those as a personal matter to be solved by force, not diplomacy.>If you don't want to see daughters while the quest is still running, just say it. Stop acting like you're saying something else.Now you're saying just putting words into my mouth anon.
>>47639169>None of which we can spare to growing another queen.This. What the fuck are you talking about?We grew up in a fucking pod. Why do you think our daughters would need more?
>>47639196>We grew up in a fucking pod. It's going to take them months to get up to our level of industrialization.Months which we could have just fixed the planet up ourselves and have them churning out fleets.
>>47639196We grew in Leeland, along with our army, by your logic our daughters would need a healty planet to grow on and at least 3 separate planets for space industry.
>>47639196>What the fuck are you talking about?I think he means that we're at war with two space factions and we need every resource that we can use while not wasting them on frivolous things like daughters during such difficult times as we are in right now?
>>47639169>beat our fleetWhich enemies do you think can "beat" our fleets. Besides the OQ and possibly scavs (which have never had a fleet successfully escape from an encounter with us), I'm not sure anyone else would, or even could, successfully attack us. Even if we lose some of our fleets, don't we have the ability to rebuild our losses of even our entire fleet in around a week?
>>47639225>>47639245No, they can easily just take over parts of our existing infrastructure and help manage it before taking a few ships and splitting off. They don't have to do everything on their own from the ground up, we were only forced into that because we were sent out with nothing but a pod and a thinker.>>47639254Except I still don't see how it would diminish our resources in any significant way. The cost it takes to birth a queen is an infinitesimal blip compared to how much nutrients we produce.
>>47639261Just to clarify, I still think getting a daughter is a dumb idea when we have so many balls in the air already. I'm just trying to draw attention to the fact that we may be more powerful than we think we are.
>>47639271We don't NEED help managing it anon. It doesn't benefit anything. You might as well say an ant colony could benefit from having more queens.
>>47639271>No, they can easily just take over parts of our existing infrastructure and help manage it before taking a few ships and splitting off. They don't have to do everything on their own from the ground up, we were only forced into that because we were sent out with nothing but a pod and a thinker.Then why not just have a quantum thinker manage it?There nothing that a new queen can do for us right now that a quantum thinker set to oversee a planet can'tWe can have a Quantum thinker make infrastructure, make it grow the Hive, amke it produce fleets automatically. If it gets a attacked then we still have to send in help regardless if it's just a thinker or a queen.
>>47639271Management can be done by our thinkers, and taking our ships to explore for their own planets is just stupid, we are at war with the OQ who has a bigger industry and many more ships than us. not to mention the countless things that can go wrong for them and in proximity us, what if they botch first contact, what if they meddle too much in human and valen politics that they piss them off, what if they are found by a slave species of the dark god?
>>47639309Sure, that would be true, if we were talking about mindless insects.But we aren't, our daughters would be intelligent people with complex personalities.Not to forget the fact that we are extremely vulnerable as the single egg in our proverbial basket. It's just infinitely safer to have several queens in case something bad happens to one, like death or psionic crystal corruption.>>47639317A quantum thinker isn't any better at agency and will than a regular thinker, they just get unpredictable thoughts sometimes.
>>47639348They don't need new planets. New planets being available or not changes exactly nothing.
>>47639351We are no more vulnerable than any other character in any other quest. In a worst case scenario we MIGHT just do what our mother did before us and release a daughter to carry on our legacy. >A quantum thinker isn't any better at agency and will than a regular thinker, they just get unpredictable thoughts sometimes.But anon, you're wrong. We specifically use quantum thinks because they can handle themselves better without our direct attention. >This thinker is by far one of the most unique resources of your hive. With the addition of a secondary brain that makes use of quantum computing this drone is not just capable of the incredible calculations of its mundane brethren, but also a more randomized worldview. While your thinkers are each an identical organic computer, each quantum thinker is a separate entity that processes data in different ways, assembling input in ways that would seem absurd or illogical at first, guided more by intuition, guesswork, and curiosity. While still bound by your guiding will these drones are as close to individuals as their biology allows. They will often make their own tasks and goals when left to their own devices, although more often than not such idle work tends to descend into endless debate amongst each other, as each one processes the world in a slightly different way. If you have five quantum thinkers, there will be at least five proposed solutions to any one problem.
>>47639351>A quantum thinker isn't any better at agency and will than a regular thinker, they just get unpredictable thoughts sometimes.And agency matters not if we just want a planetary hive to grow and make ships. How can another queen do things better than a Quantum thinker given a single planet to govern but ordered not to mess up the current status quo without our orders.
>>47639369Our daughters will have the urge for independence from us even as vassals, they will want space for themselves to grow and explore, and keeping them as thinkers will just demean them and make them hate us.
>>47639422>We are no more vulnerable than any other character in any other quest.Nice metagaming.>But anon, you're wrong. A thinker is still a thinker. Sure, it's an advanced thinker, but it's still a little autistic brain that isn't good for anything without his Mother telling him what he should be doing.>>47639429That's besides the point, we need more queens to reduce our vulnerability to a single disaster or attack.>>47639436>Our daughters will have the urge for independence from us even as vassals>they will want space for themselvesAlso, why exactly are you assuming that Mother doesn't have an urge to have daughters?
>>47639484>isn't good for anything without his Mother telling him what he should be doing.I love how you can't even read m8> each quantum thinker is a separate entity that processes data in different ways>They will often make their own tasks and goals when left to their own devices
>>47639518The first line you quoted is irrelevant, and while the second is true, I'll reiterate that a thinker is still a thinker. It's a little autistic brain that's going to start thinking about the clouds or something if it doesn't have guidance.
>>47639484We have already unlocked several different defenses against psionic jamming. We do not need separate networks on top of that.Remember neural crystal fractals? Remember the white crystal enhanced relays which can use the crystals as fuses to cut off the connection in case of jamming? Remember quantum relays, that we can combine with Thinkers at the far end to manage things instead of psionic relays if we're feeling paranoid?
Sweet Baby Jesus it's been a long time QD! Glad to see you back! I'm trying to catch up on all of this.
>>47639714Just in time Fluff. Just in time.
>>47639714Other thread man, this one has devolved into an autism shitfest.
>>47638024Why would you do that.
>>47639686The only way to have a perfect defense is to ensure that even if all your defenses fail you still haven't lost.
>>47639766No, the perfect defense is obliterating the enemy before she can even attempt to launch an attack on your worlds.
>>47639827Which we can't, because one of our enemies vastly outnumbers us, and the other vastly outnumbers us and happens to exist in a different plane of reality that we don't even understand.
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>>47640223Ebin :^)Saved for future lols XDCAP NAO!please dont
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