This is a thread to fluff up the Sanguine Shields, a chapter created using the Space Marine Creation Table, specifically about their vehicles and relics, as well as chapter culture.https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Sanguine_shields>Blood Angel Successors. >Pure Geneseed. >Founded as a Counter to new Xenos that Hypastistai Maximus the Furious became our figure of legend for driving to extinction.>We live on a Feral Wasteland, ruling with a Stewardship.>We like Armored Assaults. >We are Codex Divergent. >We have Totemistic Charms in the form of the silver skulls of our fallen brethren and the preserved hearts of our enemies. Keeps the bad luck away.>Purity of Man. >A little less than 2000 Marines in the chapter.>Owned and controlled in secret by the Officio Assassinorum. >We hate Chaos Space Marines, and they hate us.>Warcry: Shield to Shield!/Mártyras Mou!Run down crusaders, with a regiment's worth of warboy neophytes, Macedonian influences, and dark conspiracy behind it all? What's not to love.Remember to update the wiki and archive threads when possible.
>>46460980Some discussion starters.>How does the chapter reconcile their use of armour and specialized equipment with their relation with the Mechanicus?>What vehicles do they usually utilize?>What tactics do they use that utilize their armour?>How many relics does the chapter have?
>>46461142>>How many relics does the chapter have?Fuck ton, I'd say
>>46461201But...why? The Mechanicus hates them and apart from two Super Specul Dreads to reinforce their image and force the Admech's cooperation they are in general pretty worn down.
>>46461252Oh, I just meant special shit that the chapter has lying around, like the bolter used to purge Rhatics and Aleksander's swords and stuff
>>46461340So not so much special equipment but stuff with a lot of history? Belief is power and all that?
>>46461365More just stuff that has historical significance/cool stuff they got somehow
Been waiting for a new Shields thread. Started working on a picture of a Terminator>>46461142The shields use loads of equipment (mkV suits, lots of scout armour) that doesnt need high tech workshops and can be maintained in even the humblest of chapter forges.Furthermore I would add that the chapter rarely uses the more complex weaponry from their armory, such as grav, digital, and plasma weapons. Maybe restrict teleport usage too.Keep the vehicle variants vanilla, too. Maybe they have a Baal Predator, but that should be considered a chapter relic.Also there was an idea of the chapter doing regular supply runs to nearby Forgeworlds, since the Mechanicus refuses to send materials to the chapter homeworld itself (works as a Fury Road ref. btw).As long as they arent completely cut off by the AdMech they should be able to scrape by.
>>46463401>Furthermore I would add that the chapter rarely uses the more complex weaponry from their armory, such as grav, digital, and plasma weapons. Maybe restrict teleport usage too.Sounds very reasonable.>Keep the vehicle variants vanilla, too. Maybe they have a Baal Predator, but that should be considered a chapter relic.I'm on the fence about this one. How sue would it be to have most of their armour be Blood Angel STC's? Are they astoundingly rare or something? >Also there was an idea of the chapter doing regular supply runs to nearby Forgeworlds, since the Mechanicus refuses to send materials to the chapter homeworld itself (works as a Fury Road ref. btw).It helps keep their numbers thinned out too. I think it was also mentioned that they also tour conquered planets, tithing resources and bodies to keep their war machine running.
>>46463401Oh, Anon. That pic makes me want to play Space Marines and paint them as Shields. But I just bought my Necrons, and feel like buying Tyranids as well. I heff no money and I must paint.
>>46461142>What vehicles do they usually utilize?As blood angel successors, I imagine they've got a fair few vindicator variants, it kind of fits their tactics in terms of the slow but punishing advance. Heavily armoured Rhinos and Land Raiders would fit as well, something they can use to get to the enemy and incorporate into the shield wall. A Land Raider Achilles would be right out, but it might be something they try to imitate in terms of design.
>>46465779I'm trying to picture formations using these, and all I'm conjuring up is heavily armored WWI stuff
>>46465779Baal Predators in relative abundance to other vehicles like land raiders and rhinos (Due to their connections with BA and their poor relationship with Admech)For the common marine, he will be armed with a chain spear and a shock shield. Higher-ups (Sgt and above) will be armed with powa spears. Officers will be armed with bolt/plasma/melta spears
>>46468164The common Marine should get a fucking bolter like he ought to.
>>46468441Damn straight. Should depend on company and circumstances, higher ups should prefer shield and spear though.>>46468164Rhinos and land raiders are relatively common, they can negotiate with other chapters for them and ought to be the work horse. Baal predators should be present but should only be one or two per armoured company at most.
>>46468441Dunno man, I thought on that on the previous thread>>46468164
>>46469049You need to make sure you don't go overboard with the OC Donut Steel stuff. We don't want another Knights Inductor.Besides, making the entire chapter use a bunch of unusual weapons makes it doubly hard for people to recreate them on the tabletop.
>>46468441Aye. >>46470185This. This so hard.
I've something to ask. What GW paints would one use to make these guys? Anyone know?Sorry, if you thought I myself was going to make them, you're out of luck, I have no money.
>>46469049I think "standard Marine" depends on the Tagma. The only ones with the Shields and Spears would be in the Assault Tagma, Hypastistai in the Armoured or Tactical Tagma would be your standard Tactical Marines.
>>46472086This makes the most sense, I think.
what are death company colors? red and black as normal?
Didnt we already decide on the shield bolter combi for tacticals last thread?Taking away the bolter as the marines main weapon would be silly I think.
>>46472543As normal, but with Silver helmets.
>>46477314Why not just red with silver helmets?
>>46478362Nah mate, we agreed a few threads ago that it's the normal Death Company colors, but with Silver helmets.
>>46478412I'm just sayin, man. I'm mostly thinking red with silver helmet is easier to paint
>>46474024It's power/chain weapons for assault marines, tacticool or others keep standard bolters as their primary weapon
>>46479887I concur, but people keep suggesting bolter spears and other silly things.
My proposals.>Assault Tagma Standard Hypastistai has a shield and Spear of a variation denoting experience+skill. Only highly skilled veterans can tool around with a Sarissa.>Tactical+Armored Hypastistai have Bolters or Combat Shields and Bolter pistols.Other wise, you know that ridiculous picture of the Burning of Prospero? With Russ and his Legion? You know that one Space Wolf with the fucking wooden shield?We are literally that guy out of necessity. Yeah Aleksander and the Artonches are tactkul jeenyuses but the Officio only gives as much support as they dare, both to keep the chapter dependant and to not blow their cover, and the Mechanicus is being passive aggressive to the point where the Legion has to go the bullet farm just to make sure the bolters keep shooting and the Land Raiders don't stop mid assault. There will be dudes in assault Tagma will simple ceramite Shields and steel spears. There will be the odd Marine out in a Tactical Tagma that has a Bolter Pistol and a combat shield, or a shotgun worst case scenario.And incase I'm not clear on Tagma >AssaultDrop Pod deployed phalanxes and front line warriors. Big Shields and chain spears, jump packs and glaives, bikes and screaming wackos. Pretty much all neophytes can be found with these guys.>Tactical Destroyers, sneaky scouts, snipers, and regular rooty tooty point and shooty Marines. Less prominent than the Sword and Board dudes and the ever famous armour, these Marines often used in combination with other Tagma for support and overwatch. >Armour >CLANK CLANK I'M A TANK>BEEP BEEP MOTHERFUCKER
>>46463401FUCK that terminator's sexy.
>>46490105But what colours should he be?
>>46490350Helmet is silver, I forgot the rest. It was either standard scheme or all purple.
>>46490350I vote that we should put a purple toga around the Terminators' armor to denote rank that stretches to the shoulders
>>46478412>normal Death CompanyBlack and silver then?
>>46491058All silver with a red shoulder pad and purple toga? >>46491226With red X's? I'm on the fence about the silver helmets though. I imagine Aleksander would be pretty big on Bangel tradition.
>>46491460I really like the idea of Aleksander playing up the honorable Bangel stuff and how noble they are because he's secretly tormented at how much of a failure he is
>>46491570Aleksander is a fucking mess and such a tragic character. Literally NOTHING has gone right for him since the Culling yet he always seems to land himself "on top"Like Alexander the Great but infinitely shaddier and resorting to using savages as cannon fodder so his Chapter doesn't get wrecked
>>46491570>>46491611Oooo...so Aleksander is a classic Greek Tragic Hero then.>>Complete with Hamartia>>Able to evoke Pathos>>Experiences PeripeteiaAs Aristotle said,'A tragic hero is a person of noble birth with heroic or potentially heroic qualities.This person is fated by the Gods or by some supernatural force to doom and destruction or at least to great suffering.But the hero struggles mightly against this fate and this cosmic conflict wins our admiration.Because the tragic hero simply cannot accept a diminished view of the self and because of some personality flaw, the hero fails in this epic struggle against fate.This tragic drama involves choices (free will) and results in a paradox --- Is it Fate or Free Will which is primarily responsible for the suffering in the hero's life (and in our lives in light of our own personal tragedies)? Though fated the hero makes choices which bring about his destruction.'
>>46491627Did we ever discuss how all that stuff played out? Aleksander falling into the hands of the Assasinorum? Did he want someone dead to secure his chapter's safety and ended up trading his chapter for it? Desperate for allies and a way out after poor and arrogant political choices left his chapter hated and dying?
>>46492030I'm pretty sure we have this stuff figured out in a previous thread, but I'm willing to revise
>>46492030Whatever happened to land in him the pocket of the Officio we've decided to leave mysterious. But whatever it was it happened during the Culling, he may or may not have been a Sanguinary Guard at that time. Whatever actually happened drew him the ire of the Adeptus Mechanicus and the extortion of the Officio Assassinorum.After the Rhactis Campaign, (which I'm beginning to think we should revise, I mean a whole company of BLOOD ANGELS getting chumped? Granted it was by Uber Xenos and SUDDENLY THOUSAND SONS but still, I feel like that's an event that would be too important to a first founding chapter. Maybe Aleksander was a Sanguinary Guard from a Successor? The first Artonches where from all over the place, no reason that Aleksander HAS to be a Bangel.) he was awarded a chapter as a Counter to xenos threats like the Odontotyrannoi and to purge Chaos.
>>46493951Perhaps the company being wiped out could be part of the mystery? Implied he did it with assassins help, he became master, he regrets it all his life. All implied of course
>>46494554>>46493951Not that I object to changing it, just suggestions
>>46494554No, the Rhactish Campaign is supposed to be a high point in his career. It's one of the few accurately reported things in the wiki page.I'm just calling into doubt whether it should have been Blood Angels
>>46497328Alright, I get it
>>46497328The wiki needs some real work done, don't it
>>46499367It would help if our shit was archived like Hua Yuan.
>>46499414It's not impossible, all the threads still exist on 4plebs
>>46499431Couldn't you go and put them on suptg then?
>>46505033You're not me. Let's get ducking productive up in here! Quick, which campaigns have we been on, who would take over if my boy Aleks dies? What is our chapter cult?
>>46505343Not only if Aleks bites it, but when he has to take his dreadnought nappy times we need someone to lead the Shields. I guess it'd be someone from his inner circle. Captain of the First would be the obvious choice, maybe backed by the leaders of the Librarium, the Reclusiam, the Armoury and the Apothecarion so he doesnt make decisions on his own.
>>46506176We agreed on the Triumvirate. First Tagma Artonches and the Chief Librarian and Chaplain
>>46506362That rings a bell.Pity about not including Techmarines or Apothecaries.But Triumvirate+2 would sound silly.
>>46506464They could sit in on consul meetings to advise but not have the ability to reach decisions
>>46507455Reach is the wrong word. Vote or make edicts for the chapter
>>46507455>>46507573Sounds sensible.I reckon the Apothecaries wouldnt be concerned about anything besides their charges anyway.Same goes for the Techpriests. Plus the Shields would be wary of putting someone with ties to the AdMech Cult into a position with voting power.
>>46507976You would think that would have to begrudgingly have to suck up to the techmarines, since they're the only guys who can help them with tech
>>46507976Do we have head apothecary and techmarines characters?
>>46510194You could always make them, guy
>>46511908Speaking of which, did anyone update the eternal wall?
Rolled 1 (1d2)>>46510194>apothecary and techmarinesI'll give it a shot
>>46514167>>46510194>>46507976>apothecaryIts Sanguinary priest, no? They have the literal blood of Sanguinius running through their veins. I don't know much about Bangel successors, so it could be only they have them,
>>46514453No, you're right, I think.While looking this up, I came across some cool shit about Bangel successors. >Members who enter the Black Rage are strapped to the Tablet of Lestrallio, in the Angels Sanguine's Fortress Monastery. Those who regain their senses are presented with the Shroud of Lemartes, as a symbol of their mastery of the Black RageCould do something similar to this, maybe? Geneseed keeps getting shittier, so instead of dumping everyone in the death company, they try to get as many marines to control their rage as possible. Also, as an aside, Furioso pattern dreadnoughts? shouldn't we have some of those laying around?
>>46514951>Blood Angels also have a habit of sleeping whenever possible in the sarcophagi used to create them. They apparently believe that it is in this slumber that they are one step closer to Sanguinius and seek to gain insight into the psyche of their forefathercould do something similar?Also, what is our relations with the sons of Sanguinius? What does our chapter think about their brother chapters? I'd imagine, with Aleksander at the head and his tendencies to ham up everything having to do with Bangels and honor, we would have a great deal of respect and comrady with them, despite us being far removed and half the successors being virtually insane or dying. How does our chapter handle Sanguinius' death?
>>46514951We already have two contemptors, buddy
>>46515500Can't have more than two dreadnoughts? I guess having all these speshul ones is off putting but still, it's just a suggestion
>>46513467What do you mean? The grammar needs some work but what else? Did I just come up with a cool name and then fuck his back story a bit?
>>46515710Oh, I thought we expanded on his character. No one ever updates the wiki, so I don't know what's in and what's not
>>46515604We should have like...Five Dreadnoughts max, most from Tactical Tagma. Maybe one Tindanotai Dread. Because fuck yeah.Remember, the Shields often An Hero in spectacular fashion when the chips are down and the formation is broken.
>>46515782I recall a story about him like 3 threads ago and I did miss the last bit of the previous thread, if I wasn't permanently on mobile I'd update the wiki but fuckn hell I can't be bothered to do it on my phone
As far as Relics go, I like the idea of they have a lot but have little to no knowledge on how to use them, they often end up trading in lopsided deals with the mechanicus or other chapters on how to use some of the relics
>>46508405Being nice to them sure, but basically handing them a third of the power whenever Aleks sleeps goes a bit far. They have no real dealings outside of their field too. They dont lead men as a Libririan or a Chapter Pirest would.>>46514453Yeah, forgot about the Sanguinary Priest deal. Bangels are not my field of expertise.
>>46516144The furioso dreadnought is unique to Bangels and their successors, so I figured I'd through it out there. Plus, it sounds like furiosa
>>46517145Sanguinary priests are the ones who induct neophytes, giving them the geneseed through drinking blood out of a chalice. If anyone should be shiny and chrome, it aught to be them.
>>46519291The Lexicanum suggests the Sanguinary Priests are as important as Chaplains. So we might want to include them in the Triumvirate somehow. Could be achieved by having split seats. The Reclusiam and the Apothecarium share a seat.Or we put the de-facto leader (ie. First Captain) above the triumvirate, which would then be made up of the Chief Librarian, the Sanguinary High Priest and the High Chaplain.On the matter of colours. White and Silver are synonymous in heraldry. They're both called Argent. So the traditional apothecary white is already pretty close to being shiny-and-chrome.
>>46521500What I know about the Sanguinary priests is that they regulate and monitor the black rage and red thirst, as well as performing the roles of a traditional apothecary. I guess a large portion of their seat in the Chapter would be proportional to how badly we're effected by them. I forgot what founding we were, but the later we are, the worse it is. I like the idea of a split seat, I think that'll work the best
>>46521796Pic of a sanguinary priest. Though, I think we should give him one of those Galatian masks that one dude was talking about last thread
>>46521965Guy kinda reminds me of Immorten joe
>>46521965Shouldn't they get sanguinius deathmasks if anything? I don't think sanguinius had a beard. Unless we make it another's death mask
>>46525874The way Primarchs are depicted can vary wildly across the Imperium. In one of the Space Wolves novels there's a blue-skinned statue of Russ for example.So a bearded Sanguinius could be a local variant.
>>46526751>bearded Sanguinius Is any one else rock solid right now?
>>46527076Punished Samguinius all the way
>>46521965You mean like this?
what is your opinion on drill spears
>>46528972I dont think that'd be a good idea.Doesnt have a precedent in the lore, and we're already loaded with 'speshul' equipment as is.
>>46529035>loaded with 'speshul' equipment as is.It's really just the shields, and they're not that speshul. Other homebrews on here have their own pattern bolters or power armor
>>46529101That is true but I think we got a really good chapter going here and I don't want to see them fly off into the Arctic to join the other snowflakes
>>46529101It's adding up, especially when you take all the other special things into account we have.Just piling on more and more knick-knacks and tid-bits isnt making the Shields any more compelling.Personally I think drill spears aren't such an amazing concept. They dont add much, dont mesh well with established stratagems and feel a little too anime for my taste.
>>46529381>>46529327No, I get you guys. I don't like the drill spears, we already have the spear thing down I think. I was just pointing out that it could be much more snowflake
>>46529500I'd rather we aim to be comparable to lore chapters rather than zany homebrews.
>>46529602I'm totally in favor of this, guy.
Have we talked much about the dune riders?
>>46531327I guess we should. Doesn't need to be much, most of the hombrew guard even listed on the page have basically one paragraph dedicated to them
>>46531327>>46531327What's there to talk about? They're madmax warboys/normal raiders that fight for the imperium and the Shields. Now that I'm thinking about it, a conquered world of the shields could make for a fun gorkamorka game
Alright, guys, I'm in the mood to fuck the wiki up. It ease things into it, what needs changing?
>>46535260anything? I can't be doin this too late.
>>46535782Literally everything. Pick something you want to do the most, any and all help is great
>>46535807I just wanted to change what was on there to start with.
>>46535825Perfect. Hopefully some one else more helpful than me could respond to you.
>>46535963Alright, guy, what do YOU think is important to get on here asap?
>>46535260The history could use some fixing. Also, change the triumvirate The dreadnought isn't AleksanderThe weapons and strategies looks half finished
>>46536290Personally? I think we should talk about the officio more and the mechanicus and Aleksander. I'm off to bed, got work in 5 hours. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful
>>46536898Every help is good help, arguably even the best help. Good luck
>>46514951Remember the Death Tagma also acts as a secret Nazi Science experimentation project, where the Eversor Temple has all sorts of fun trying to further weaponize Astartes, turning Tindanotai into Eversor like creatures with even shorter life spans but the damage out put is damn fine.It also acts the dumping grounds for the Apothecaries and the Chaplains, who basically just send Astartes that get wise to the eternal ruse cruise that is the Sanguine Shields. I doubt the Chaplains would have loyalty to the Officio, but I see no reason why the Apothecaries can't be watch dogs within the chapter.Regardless, the Tindanotai are meant to die, the final Redemption for falling to the Curses of the geneseed. Remember, the Sanguine Shields may be friendly to humanity, but they are extremely fatalistic and zealous, their default mindset when the need for discipline and military bearing falls away.As for Furiuso dreads...I don't know man we're supposed to be pretty run down, every Speshul thing we have being highly sacred and rarely fielded. As much as I love Baalite pattern stuff, and as much as I want to flood the chapter with it, it would erode some of the themes we've built.>>46515102We have excellent rapport with the brother chapters that Aleksander borrowed veterans from to form his command structure, the very first Artonches. I would wager that each Tagma is distinctive, having some cultural quirks from the founding Artonches. Being a Superstitious lot we tend to avoid the Lamentors, seeing them as the other side of the Honorable Blood Angels coin, and we don't want to soak up their bad luck.
>>46537039>As for Furiuso dreads...I don't know man we're supposed to be pretty run down, every Speshul thing we have being highly sacred and rarely fielded. As much as I love Baalite pattern stuff, and as much as I want to flood the chapter with it, it would erode some of the themes we've built.That's well and beyond fair. I feel it. What's the current status on how many marines get afflicted by the black rage/red thirst? Rare? Common place?
>>46515102>>46537039They view Sanguinius' death as a very sacred thing, partially fueling their own cultural of ritual suicide via mutually assured destruction when the chips are down. It also feeds into their doomsday cults mentality that all their slain brothers, cut down gloriously in battle, that have been witnessed and made into a totem will return in the End Times, marching Silver and Triumphant, alongside their Primarch and the Emperor, and the IX Legion will be reformed by the joining of the all the Sons of Sanguinius. >>46515604I would say we would have only like five or six Unslain Martyrs, remember, we are stretched thin on supplies and usually get by on tithes from our conquered worlds, which we have to go manually get, or support from the "Administratum" or whatever route the Officio has to use to make sure their Attack Dog doesn't die. >>46517018I like this a lot. The Mechanicus will gladly trade a few dozen Chain Glaives for a Gravity gun. Trading relics for necessities could be interesting. They could sometimes trade something valuable that they know they know they can't get the full potential out of for something less valuable but they are highly skilled with.>>46521500I would say that our equivalents of the Master of Sanctity, Chief Librarian, and the Apothecarium form the Triumvirate proper, and Artonches act as the Senate proper, with the Triumvirate acting in place of the singular Polemarch/Hegemon. That way we have the Polemarch/Triumvirate and the Senate council. As for colors we play it close to Blood Angels tradition. Everything is to the original blood angel standard beyond anything cultural.>>46526751I'm spilt between them viewing him as a Greek god or as Sanguinius proper. I forgot who the primary object of worship was amongst Macedonians, aside from Alexander.
>>46528972No. We should have very little unique equipment, and what we do have is either completely singular, like Aleksander's Pimp suit, or fairly benign like the Sarissa. One of the things that makes these guys charming is the crazy shit we can get done with what little we have, save people because Emperor only knows we have those in droves.>>46529101Can we PLEASE drop the Shields? Just have them be oversized Combat Shields with no further bells and whistles? Chain Glaives are a thing, Power spears are a thing, hunting Lances are a thing, shoot even our Sarissa and all its variations are just uberpleb versions of a Guardian Spear. >>46529381I'm not arguing, but what are the biggest offenders thus far? I'm actively trying to cut down the flakery and add some flaws. Just Balance them out.>>46531327Not nearly enough. The key to success with this stuff, and by success I mean depth, volume, and quality of lore, is having a concept that you could add layers to add infinium without making things Snow Flakey. Basically a concept that lends itself to a lot of depth and context. Guardsmen are great for that because they usually have extensive histories intertwined with their homeworld and founding and cultural stuff therein. I'll expand on what I think we should do with them later.>>46532425I don't think you realize who is in these threads, anon.>>46536898What specifically?>>46537221How many legitimately fall to the Red Thirst and Black Rage? Truthfully not a lot. When it comes to Geneseed flaws we are pretty spiffy when it comes to being Bangel succesors. But the level of Orwellian dickery that's happening in the chapter via Gestapo Apothecaries/Chaplains makes things look like it could get dire in coming centuries. Fortunately the Shields are waist deep in Neophytes and Aspirants so the slowly increasing number of truly fallen Brothers hasn't hurt the Chapter too much.Yet.
>>46537412>Can we PLEASE drop the Shields? Just have them be oversized Combat Shields with no further bells and whistles? Chain Glaives are a thing, Power spears are a thing, hunting Lances are a thing, shoot even our Sarissa and all its variations are just uberpleb versions of a Guardian Spear.Nawh, they're fine.
>>46537422Can you please trust me when I say they are but another snowflake in the coming blizzard? We like our Shields, boarding, storm, combat you name it. We like them and they are super useful. But having special Shields for no reason is...it just doesn't work anon.They really aren't fine, there's no reason for them.
>>46537455Nawh, they're essentially big combat shields with an added function from a Arbites shield as far as I can tell. Nothing crazy. They seem fine, having one unique peice of gear doesn't throw things over the edge, other chapters do it all the time
Just some thoughts before I hit the sack.>Aleksandria has several different biomes and cultures that are all increasingly more greek/Macedonian as you near the Shields' fortress monastery and increasingly more Egyptian the farther away you get from it. Several Guard Regiments come from this world>Techmarines also act as diplomats and representatives when dealing with tithed worlds and on "bullet farm runs". This is mostly because the Admech internationaly limits their training sometimes>While we have double the amount of Marines and about a regiment's worth of aspirant war boys, since we have to manually go about and resupply on our eternal crusade we seem like a normal sized chapter due to being stretched thin>The Chaplain in charge of the Death Tagma has a Doof Warrior esque Redeemer from which he commands the TindanotaiAnd any thoughts on my thoughts?>>46537039>>46537235>>46537412>>46537535Yes but why the extra Arbites ability? I'm sure an Astartes can hold a shield wall just fine without help. And we already have Sarissa which have like six different configurations.Yes the Shields are rather benign, but it gives the appearance of flakery, when we can just call them Scutum Pattern Combat Shields, like the Iron Snakes have, and call it a day.It's a speshul piece of equipment that really doesn't need to be speshul.
>>46537605It's a goddamn shield. It latches together and it's a rectangle. It has a name. I don't see the issue in it being there. Power spears, I get that, having our own wouldn't make any sense. Bolters/ranged shit, same deal. But a shield is insignificant enough that having our own pattern to help perform a specific task seems perfectly well and fine. I can think of a few reasons why having the ability to latch together could be useful
>>46537605The thing about chapter logistics makes sense, I like it. Not too sure about the biomes, unless they're some sort of different wastelands. Unless we're talking ptolemaic Egypt, I'm not game. There's enough variation and diversity in the Greek culture group and cultures influenced by it that we should keep it in the family, I think.
>>46537656It gives the impression of a super speshul thing just for us. Regardless of actual tactical use or powerlevel. A passing anon is going to look at it and shriek "SNOWFLAKE". And before you say fuck what he thinks remember who we are making this for.I'm just a lone namefag, but I've seen homebrews go too far into the Arctic. And it usually starts small. I think it works as a normal combat shield that is simply large and sometimes ovoid. Remember to K.I.S.S. /rat/.>>46537726I meant Pharonic Egypt, and area I have some familiarity in. Some.The thought was have specifically Macedonian culture, shifting into Ptolemaic Egypt as a intermediary then Pharoic Egypt on the far side of the planet. They would naturally all scrabble over resources and the proper way to revere the Emperor As for Biomes I was thinking that Wasteland doesn't necessarily mean that we can't have jungles or arctic poles, or mountainous regions considering that the whole Wasteland thing probably stems from Odontotyrannoi generated Warp Storms and Thousand Sons going wild.Now I'm seriously going to bed.
>>46460980why does their paint scheme look like the Emperor's Pointed Sticks?
>>46537412>I'm not arguing, but what are the biggest offenders thus far? I'm actively trying to cut down the flakery and add some flaws. Just Balance them out.-Crazy spear variants. Why have a meltgun-spear? Other chapters do fine with keeping their special weapons and CCQ weapons separate.-The amount of variation in our colour scheme. Some have purple stuff, some silver, some dont, Termies have been proposed to be entirely chrome etc.-Everything has a different name. It's nice as a cultural thing, but it should be represented as an alternative to the Codex names not a replacement. Otherwise it can become really off putting.IE: Devastator/Thorakites-The Officio using the Shields as anything more than a thug army. They dont need to give them special equipment, or mess around with their biology. Besides being all kinds of heresy it makes no sense. They already have established ways that have worked for generations. They already have the perfect assassins, they need the Shields to do the non-assassin stuff.Additionally I would keep the direct connections as small as possible. Have it be more of an 'honour bound' kinda deal, rather than the Officio controlling every Chaplain and Sanguinary Priest.They're meddling with a BAngels successor chapter. Overdoing things could backfire spectacularly on them. They dont want to repeat the Age of Apostasy disaster, I'm sure. Speaking of which the Ordo Sicario (Watchdogs that keep an eye on the Officio) would get wind of it if the Officio were directly meddling in a chapters structure.
>>46540747Got the 'Age of Apostasy' mixed up with 'The Beheading'. But both are occasions where the Officio hecked up bad. If an Inquisitor gets the idea the Officio is trying to amass too much power, a war within the Imperium might be the result.
>>46540565Can't believe I didn't notice that sooner. Just about the same colour palette with the primary colours shuffled around a bit.
>>46541008What are the similarities besides both using red and purple?
>>46460980>>Blood Angel Successors. >>Pure Geneseed.Sounds like special snowflake faggotry right off the bat
>>46541008Thanks for the Nostalgia bomb!
>>46541097>calling random roll results special snowflakeokay then
>>46541097That just means they have pure BA geneseed with all of the benefits and flaws thereof. Not that they magically fixed all of the problems while still being BA successors.
>>46540747I think we outed the spear variants a while ago. But for the most part you got things right, especially the Officio thing. Why would they care what's going on inside the chapter, so long as they still beat up the people they tell them to? Also, the black rage guys shouldn't be experimented on, that's too much. Throw people who discover the Assassins in there, sure, but don't experiment