I'd hate to see these guys go unfinished. so this is a thread to fluff up the Sanguine Shields, a chapter created using the Space Marine Creation Table. What we have so far.https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Sanguine_shields>Blood Angel Successors. >Pure Geneseed. >Founded as a Counter to new Xenos that Hypastistai Maximus the Furious became our figure of legend for driving to extinction.>We live on a Feral Wasteland, ruling with a Stewardship.>We like Armored Assaults. >We are Codex Divergent. >We have Totemistic Charms in the form of the silver skulls of our fallen brethren and the preserved hearts of our enemies. Keeps the bad luck away.>Purity of Man. >A little less than 2000 Marines in the chapter.>Owned and controlled in secret by the Officio Assassinorum. >We hate Chaos Space Marines, and they hate us.>Warcry: Shield to Shield!/Mártyras Mou!Run down crusaders, with a regiment's worth of warboy neophytes, Macedonian influences, and dark conspiracy behind it all? What's not to love.Remember to update the wiki and archive threads when possible.
>>46351909Ironic thread name
Last thread left off on some discussions>what are our power spears?>Who is the battle brother in >>46352285 ?>Only War stats>stratagem
>>46352513The power spears are just standard power spears given before we pissed off the Mechanicus, so they're delicately maintained and recovered from the battle field at all costs
>>46351909>Owned and controlled in secret by the Officio Assassinorum.What
>>46352513>>46353134I see no need to put this much 'lore' behind the spears. No other chapter goes into detail on how they get their power weapons. In fact power weapons seem to be relatively common in the Imperium and should be easy to craft and maintain for a Techmarine worth his salt.Just portray them in quantities that make sense.A normal marine will have his scutum a CCQ weapon and his Bolter. Keep the power spears for the more elite choices, just like any other power weapon.
>>46353408I actually like this, how about for Spears some piece of hardened ceramite stick with a bolt pistol attached to the end of it instead of everyone having power spears
>>46352513I could've sworn that the contemptor had Aleksander in it
>>46353834I'm personally not a fan of shooty-sticks but that's no reason not to use them. Only thing I would propose is to not make them a replacement for the Bolter.Treat them like a special weapon upgrade for Tacticals and a weapon option for Assaults (maybe make the spear/shield combo unusable with a jump-pack even).My idea is to have the main weapon group in a formation be the Bolter/Shield combo, with spears being a first row kinda deal. When the formation is closed only the front line can engage in CCQ anyway, and when spread out the ol' trusty combat knife and a servo-powered kick should make do for most scenarios.
>>46353862Me too, but Arbites thought differently, so I put it up there
>>46355468Yea I could get behind that, you actually gave me an idea for a stratagem that could be good too
>>46351909What is "Mártyras mou!" in english?
>>46356481What is it, anon?
>>46356688Wait I think I found it, is it ancient greek for "Witness me!"?
>>46356688'Witness me!' if I recall correctly.
>>46356688It's literally "witness me!", if you couldn't tell these guys are very similar to mad man's warboys
>>46357139Sorry still thinking on it, was just in class so didn't have much time to think on it I was focused on my lecture. I'll post it later today
>>46357464It's all good, anon
Okay, still working on DW rules and hoping to refine them or give them something that fits em a bit better with someone that knows DW a little better>Chapter History:37th Millennium Founding>Gene-seed:Pure>Chapter Progenitor:Blood Angels>Codex Demeanor:???>Chapter Purpose:Counter >Stat Bonuses:+5 Agility, +5 Fellowship >Figure of Legend:Battle Brother>Deeds of Legend:Brought Xenos extinction >Organization: Divergent >Homeworld Type:Feral>Homeworld Terrain:Wasteland >Homeworld Relationship:Stewardship>Codex Organization:Divergent>Combat Doctrine:Armored Assault>Solo Mode Ability:Progenitor Ability>Squad Attack:Tactical Finesse>Squad Defense:Knowledge is Power>Special Equipment:Totemistic charms >Belief:Purity of Man >Current Status:Over-Nominal>Chapter Ally:Assassinitorum >Chapter Enemy:Angels Apostate>Battle Cry:"Martyras Mou!">Advance Table:Secret Lore
>>46361185>>Codex Demeanor:>???Fuck damn it, I'll try to see what I cant find
>>46361552>>46361185>Demeanor: No mercy, no respite
>>46352261Looks like her has a Spartan American flag on his wrist
Aleksander's Shield,The highly, effective, Tactical and unique stratagem used solely by the Sanguine shields chapter of space marine is used offensively and defensively to launch a counterattack. Even though the tactic is highly effective with no enemy having proven to best it with ease, it requires a lot of resources. It involves 3 waves of heavy artillery barrages followed by 3 subsequent drop pods. The first is the elite armoured Assault tagma that utilizes heavy weapons to decrease the armoured effectiveness of the enemy. They enter the battlefield after a well timed artillery barrage conducted from a guard regiment or a another heavy weapons platform most likely in the near orbit. After the first wave is dropped, the artillery barrage starts it's attack on where the second wave is to arrive and only stopping when the drop pods are mere seconds from impact. The second wave consist of large amounts of squads of shield bearing battle brothers. They quickly form small shield walls and come close together but leave firing room for the heavy weapons. The third drop is, again, prerequisited by heavy artillery. The third drop is actually an en masse Teleport of terminators armed with Storm shield variants of the scutum power shield and several deep penetration squads. After the third drop has commenced the terminators armed with shields hold the line, capable of holding of even a titan or similar enemy. After the second wave catches up to the first, the deep penetration terminators (often replaced with brothers from the death company, especially in very small and very large operations) attack the specific points that the Terminator brothers have indicated as weak. After a single penetration is made wave two rushes in through the offshoot and creating pockets of enemies easily killed in an encirclement of shield wall. The third wave follows a medium range distance away of the shield wall terminators to decimate armour and a break through of any kind. Cont
>>46364051>armoured Assault tagmaMeant heavy weapons/anti armour tagmaThis tactic is seldomly even thought of by other chapters due to the seemingly insane amount of casualties that would be recieved. However, the Sanguine shields powerful tactic has only fallen once, against tyranids, only to have the marines regroup and abandon the planet and exterminatus the planet. Aleksander's Shield is often accompanied by snipers and armoured Assaults completely going around the enemy for a massive encirclement. The terminators of the 3rd wave are often replaced by overly zealous run of the mill shield marines die to a large lack of terminators in the chapter. One of the most famous uses of the stratagem would be the massacre of Sevariana XIV. Where the PDF found itself in a useless struggle against a large Assault conducted by chaos undivided. With only the small PDF and 2 imperial knights defending against the onslaught all seemed Lost. When the Sanguine shields heard of a very peaceful world come under Assault near their vicinity they rushed to aid. After contacting the PDF they immediately countered the incoming chaos marines and cultists aided by an imperial knight turned to chaos. The first wave came down and disabled the chaos knight with powerful heavy weapons in time for the third wave to finish of the foes in between the bulk of their own forces and the artillery barrage for the 3rd wave once the third wave came it was reported that the terminators stopped several rhinos ramming into the shield wall and several tank shells as well before the heavy weapons dealt with them. After the death Company made their indents into the enemy and the imperial knight still operable flanking the enemy, the battle was over. Of the 400 brothers dropped into the field, only 36 were lost to the fighting. As opposed to the enemies forces of 5000,600 of which were chaos space marines, were utterly annihilated
>>46364051>>46364407So how is it? Too sue? Am I just shit at writing?
>>46364588>Too sue? Am I just shit at writing?You go a little overboard with talking about how great it is, and the word choice and stuff could use some more work, but that's what editing is for.As far as the actual strategy, I think it works pretty well for planetary invasions. Has a good system of 'pounding the hell out of the enemy and finishing him off while he's weak' going on. I do have a question though; This chapter relies heavily on neophytes and scouts. How do they factor into this?
>>46364588The concept is good, but the writing could use some work, like >>46364713 said
I'm heading to bed. Try to keep the thread Alive, if possible
>>46364713Hmm the scouts fire with snipers from the flanks, I did mention this but It makes more sense to have it always be a thing and the neophytes will go across the flanks in their jury rigged rat rods and what nots
Alright guys don't let this thread die, shit post if you have to until it's a reasonable hour
>>46353134Fuck you. I'm starting to get tired of all you fuckers that need to sue shit up. I'm just going to start being an asshole because ya'll can't unfuck yourselves. It goes like this dumbass >Spear Tiers for low to high>Bolt pistol taped to a Glaive >Meltagun Taped to a Glaive >RELIC TIER>Power Boltglaive >RARE RELIC TIER/FUCK YOUR ARMOUR TIER>Power Meltaglive>>46353862No, it's some old fucker. It has been. Unfuck yourself.>>46357444No they're fucking not. Their Aspirants (Neophytes) almost literally are. They are super superstitious vampire (Bangel) post apocalyptic Macedonians. Think of Sanguine Shields like a Pokémon >War Boy is evolving! WOMWOMWOWMWOWM>War Boy is now Macedonian!>>46364051>>46364407Sue as fuck. Fuck you.Aleksander was a Sanguine Shield. He has a pretty Contemptor, a Bolter fist, and giant Glaive Encarmine.Unfuck yourself babby.Fuck you guys. Go read old threads, watch Fury Road and Road Warrior and fucking glance at the Lexicon wiki or whatever the fuck it's called as well as Wikipedia on the Macedonian legion.Educate yourselves you stupid fucks.
>>46353310How's about you fucking lurk Moar or read old threads.Don't read the wiki it fucking lies and over explains shit.
>>46367376Jesus it's like you haven't read the other threads,I did check the other threads fuck head and we clearly said Aleksander is in a contemptor. That tactic? Who cares if it's written like shit space marines in general are Mary sues for fucks sake.
>>46367376Also props for keeping the thread going you didn't dissapoint
>>46367376Still wayyyyy less retarded than Chapters that focus on frenzied melee with no discipline
>>46361185Okay, so I think that the squad defense should be switched over to _Until Death_ and the Advanced table should be turned to _No Respite for the Enemy Advances_The characteristic bonus might fit somewhere else better, but I like where they're at
So what type of power armour will they use?Heresy era? Beakies? Aquila? MK IVs?
>>46369859A lot of MkVs and Aquillas
>>46367376Secret feeling this is Arbites
>>46367504I've been here since thread one, go fucking kill yourself. Aleksander is a pimping coffin. This is some other faggot.>>46369673This is a lot less retarded than a lot of shit. I could write a book on shit that this is less retarded than. That doesn't make it okay when we straight sue and fucking shit up
>>46362958It kinda does. But that's just how I tend to portray writing on armour and purity seals.
>>46370666Ok, how about Chain Spears/halberds then?
>>46370751I already laid out the powerlevels I would have. Having chainglaives for the lower powerlevels could work well tho
>>46370751>>46370776Something like this? For the marine mooks (Minus the built-in bolter?)
>>46370776 This looks workable as well if the pole is longer.
>>46370666That Contemptor is supposed to be Aleksander. He was specifically fluffed as a Contemptor. We had like a whole thread where we discussed dreads in the Shields.
>>46370812>>46370784The second pic looks pretty good to me. Could be tons of chain spears with the odd power spear sprinkled throughout
>>46370865The sheer noise is going to scare their opponents shitless for miles around (And arouse Slannesh at the same time)
>>46370918>the roar of hundreds of chainspears running in formation about to fuck chaos upI think I just had my erectile dysfunction cured
>>46370918>>46370938This shit is so fucking metal.
Did we decide on a colour scheme for Terminators?If so someone repost it, please.
>>46371342If you can link me to last thread I'll take a crack at it. I think it's meant to be red or tan, and purple and silver
>>46371494>>46254376I skimmed over it myself but didnt find any reference to Terminators.
>>46371567No, but it had colors posted, I think
>>46371593If you can point out the one that's supposed to go on Veterans/Termies I'd be much obliged.
>>46371668I gave it a shot. You can tell me it's shit, that's fine
>>46371779Holy shit what happened to the Tan?Let one of the armguards and the clothes be purple.Red and tan man...
>>46371815>>46371815 #Figured since they were termies, they would mostly be red and purple, but it's whatever
>>46371897Even the Contemptor did not receive such treatment
Okay so chainberds and shields are the basic equipment? Are those gonna be statted as two handed chainswords and an unpowered storm shield that covers the whole body?DW rules again
>>46370812I like this one. So the kinds of spears in the chapter are thus>Hunting Lances, like the Talarans >Chain spear>Boltglaive>MeltaGlaive>Powered Bolt Glaive>Sarissa How does it sound?>>46371779I'll try my hand once I get home.>>46371897I would say all silver would be kinda rad.>>46372315I would say that it would. But it depends on the squad they're in I suppose. Regular Bolter dudes do exist in the chapter in even numbers.And it's not so much an unpowered storm Shield as a huge combat shield with magnets of the sides.>>46370488Nope.>>46370854There's two Contemptors in the chapter. This guy, Antiochus I think his name is, and Aleksander. Dreads as a rule should be rather rare I think, as these Marines would rather Martyr then get put in a Dread.
>>46372086Hey man, you can try it too
>>46372451Yeah, but I was wondering how to stat them still.Full coverage makes most sense, don't have a clue what a good AP or any other rules would be. Chain spear is chain spear so I think two handed is all that should be tacked on.
>>46372451Dont really care what people want to use the picture for, but it was made to depict Aleksander.
>>46372451Not meaning to stir shit, and I'm fine with how it is, but I'm just curious why he isn't the guy in the contemptor?
>>46372754I've been here since thread one, and I believe we were going for the silver colored dread as Aleksander, and then there was more discussion and such where we retconned he color scheme into a Golden dread, as he was a Sanguinary guard.
>>46373331Alright, I guess that makes sense
>>46372754>>46372586I don't mean to start anything, just reiterating the conclusions we've come to. For an in lore reason it's just Psyops. Sure it's easy to follow a Dreadnought, but it's even easier to follow a giant golden angelic one that looks like a XXXL version of your boss pre-JUSTING.Am I making sense or am I full of shit again?
>>46374302No I feel ya. I just didn't know the rational behind it. Makes sense to me
>>46374421>>46374302Wiki should be changed then?
>>46374563Someone should add those DW rules too if they're fine
>>46374774Did we get the stats?
>>46374816+5 to agility and fellowship.Advanced table is set so the marines can gain higher knowledge of the warp and hate psykers.Solo and Squad abilities are alright.Yeah I think it's good >>46361185
>>46375055I'm looking for some crunchy numbers, though
>>46361185>>Codex Demeanor:>???What does this ask for? We're fatalistic but disciplined and we view our human allies as children that must be protected, except for those that want to join us, then they have to go full Warboy before they go Astartes.>>Solo Mode Ability:Progenitor AbilityWhat does this mean?>>Squad Defense:Knowledge is PowerWhat does this mean? We may be tactically adept but that's only due to mass formations and battle drilling. I'd say we're pretty fuckin' dumb otherwise.>>Chapter Enemy:Angels ApostateI would say the Thousand Sons are a better thing to put there, what with the Egyptian theme and the cannon presence, as well as our history with them.>>Battle Cry:"Martyras Mou!"That's our death cry, a heads up that our battle buddies and shield brothers better get to steppin but keep an eye on us, so our souls can be certified and go the Emperor so when the End Times come well March with Big E and Papa Sangy, Sliver and Triumphant.Our battle cry is "Shield to Shield!">Advance Table:Secret LoreWhat does this mean? Like I said, we pretty much get the mushroom treatment from the Hegemon.
I'm just gonna out this out here. Thanks /tg/ this chapter is my second favourite chapter of all time only beaten by a tie between my own Mary sue snowflakes and the Dangles. I think we're actually putting together a very interesting, unique and respectable home brew. Let's keep up the good work
>>46375744Codex Demeanor is No Mercy, No Respite.Squad defense is extra defense against psykers. With a the Advance Table the marines gain a knowledge of the warp and a hatred for psykers.That would mean our hatred is directed towards traitors and psykers. So Traitor Librarians...or thousand sons.Pic related is solo mode ability
>>46375897>someone popped in to tell us that this is good instead of sue trashI honestly didn't expect it to feel so nice
>>46376358Aight. Suits their history and preferred enemies.I would have gone with something demonstrating their discipline in battle/ability to go balls to the wall to a degree that brings the whole house down.I can dig it tho
>>46376642It's just what we rolled in the first thread. I think we should stick to it, no matter what's changed
>>46375897Observe this Neophyte, Shield Brothers. May he march alongside Sanguinius, Silver and Triumphant. We shall meet again anon, in the Time of Ending.
>>46376642Tactical Finesse is kinda like that, but does this taste better as an advanced table?
Ayy, yo, did someone change the infobox? I put the insignia up there last night, and it doesn't look like its there anymore
>>46377210I added our actual battle cry.
>>46377705Alright, I'll get back on itDamn our wiki needs content. Guess that's mostly my fault
>>46351909>Blood Angel Successors. >Pure Geneseed.W-what?How is that even possibe?
>>46378040They're fun outside of the black rage and red thirst, which they have
>>46378130Fine, I meant
Have we decided on a termie color scheme yet? Is it the same as our regular guys but always with a purple shoulder?
>>46382054You could try it
>>46383476I think that would be very difficult on a phone I'd rather not
>>46383607I did it on a phone
>>46384697How? I'm not tech savvy so do I have to download something or should it be on my phone (s6) and I'm just an idiot?
>>46384871Now, just go to the link or google "bolter and chainsword termite painter" and click on what you want to paint
>>46385191What was the colors we used for our beige and red and purple?
>>46385643They were posted last thread, early on
>>46385789>>46385643>>46385191I fucked up the colours but you get the idea
>>46385941I like the idea Arbites had of all silver
I'll try the Terminator colors tommorow if no one else does it before me, it's currently 1030pm and I work at 5am so I gotta hit the hay
You still haven't found the original colors? They were in the last thread? Or the thread before that. Either way, they were there!>#36454f Charcoal>#BCC6CC Metallic Silver>#241E4E Purple>#EADAA2 Tan>#960200 Red>#00FFFF CyanThere.
>>46387529Shoot, forgot:>#E3DAC9 Bone
>>46387089>Puts back on trip>Tips fedoraI did. Figured I'd try something a little more conventional though. Colours are piss ugly tho.>>46387529Ayyy mah nighah.Ps, working on a bit of writefaggotry dealing Tindanotai set to the Wonder Woman theme from BvS.
>>46387806>Wonder Woman theme from BvS.Go figure a trip would have awful tastes
>>46387858It suits them. Don't hate the score hate the fucking movie.
>>46387927No, I specifically didn't like that song
>>46387947To each his own man. It's good to lift to, at least.
>>46387976The one super heavy piano one I liked though
>>46387927Movie wasn't that bad
Bamp for final resting place
>>46389488Don't be so pessimistic, guy. It's just slow right now
We need three of each kind of Tagma, save the Death Company.
>>46393876Sorry man, but I'm not following. Need them for what?
>>46394214Right now we have four armoured and infantry Tagma, but only one assault Tagma.This must be rectified
>>46394702Then let's rectify it I guess. What'd you think'd be a composition
I just picked up a cheap three pack I think I'm gonna paint as these guys. I'm shit, but we'll see how it goes
>>46397352I'm sure you already know this but please post them in this thread or another one whenever you're done
Rolled 6 (1d7)>>46398700Should I go purple arm or no?
>>46398883Only for a sergeant
>>46398883>>46399214Scratch that, purple shoulder for the sergeant not whole arm
>>46399244It's looking real shitty now
>>46397352Awesome!>>46398883We posted the arm colors and ranks a couple threads back, see if you can find it. The sergeant equivalent had a purple shoulder with red trim, and tan arm, I believe. Could be wrong, though.
>>46399964It's coming along pretty roughIt's my first time, don't expect much
>>46400065Nah man, it's cool!I'll be getting my first Necrons soon.
>>46400100Fuck me, I used the wrong paint and it's flaking everywhere
>>46400297Beginners mistakes, you'll get the hang of it the more money you flush down the drain