In which we randomly generate a new plane of existence and populate it with locations and creatures from Magic.We are a Planeswalker who has come into a new source of power and is now able to create our own plane of existence by populating it with the things we have experienced on our travels across the planes. Unlike other artificial realms, this plane will not be a mimicry of life, but contain actual life.Right now the world is blank, but after we determine the landmasses, we will populate it with creatures you suggest.We will start from the center of our map. 1d6 determines the first color and 1d20 determines its landmass.>Roll 1d6 and 1d20!
Rolled 3 (1d6)>>45620907I am intrigued.
>>456209213 gives us Blue as a starting color, but I need a d20 as well.
Rolled 17 (1d20)>>45620949
Rolled 10 (1d20)
>>45620970We start off with 17 Blue in the center. Now, we determine what comes next with a series of rolls.I need a 1d8, a 1d100 and a 1d20.
Rolled 85 (1d100)>>45620991Where are you getting the tables/rules for this? Or are you coming up with it on your own?
>>45621060I have it in front of me. d8 determines the direction, 1d100 determines the color based on Magic's color wheel and 1d20 determines the quantity of landmass.Your 85 is the Backwards Allied of Blue, which is White, so I need a d20 for how many Plains and a d8 for the direction.
Rolled 8 (1d8)>>45621100
>>45621176Now just a d20.
Rolled 18 (1d20)>>45621236
>>4562127318 Plains northwest.Let's keep it rolling.>1d8+1d100+1d20
Rolled 2 + 1 (1d8 + 1)>>45621319Here you go, is there anything else you need besides dice rolls for now?
Rolled 30 (1d100)>>45621361
>>45621361For now it's mostly dice to determine the shape of the lands, the distribution of what type of lands.Once that's done with, we'll move onto actively populating it.Populations of creatures will be determined by the size of the individual region, what colors border it, and the mana costs of the creatures themselves.
Rolled 17 (1d20)>>45621382
>>45621408Some more Blue.>1d8+1d100+1d20
>>45621391>>45621423Sounds good, it's a shame that we can't roll three types of dice at once. I suggest you make the distribution of land types larger so it won't take as longI tried putting in dice+1d8+1d100+1d20 but that didn't work.
>>45621461Fair enough, tell you what, let's switch it up to 3d100 so we can do all three rolls at once, and I'll adjust things on my end so the results are (mostly) the same.>Roll 3d100
Rolled 98, 98, 29 = 225 (3d100)Time for some black. B/W is best colour combo.
>>45621573Some colorless lands to the northwest.Let's have some more 3d100s.I don't need one at a time, now that we are rolling with all three as 1d100 I can take multiple posts and will update them all in order.
>>45621623>northwestMeant northeast.Anyway, let's have more sets of 3d100. The more are rolled, the faster it will go.
Rolled 98, 1, 27 = 126 (3d100)>>45621510not gonna lie, this sounds pretty neat
>>45621649More blue, more northeast.Let's have some more sets of 3d100.
Rolled 64, 37, 100 = 201 (3d100)>>45621642OK here you go.
>>45621702A large swamp.Let's have some more.
Rolled 36, 6, 7, 27, 30, 2, 69, 61, 42 = 280 (9d100)Posting 3 sets just to speed things up, if people are enjoying the slower pace i'll keep at 1 set though
Rolled 78, 24, 27 = 129 (3d100)>>45621721I hope there will be some forests.
>>45621732Some more blue, some black, and a lonely red mountain.Let's have some more.
>>45621756A bit more blue on the bottom.Let's have another 3d100.
Rolled 70, 97, 43 = 210 (3d100)>>45621801
Rolled 57, 45, 5 = 107 (3d100)
>>45621809>>45621838Some colorless land and a lone hex of swamp.Let's have some more posts of 3d100.
Rolled 6, 14, 58 = 78 (3d100)>>45621801
Rolled 49, 78, 32 = 159 (3d100)>>45621871
Rolled 9, 68, 64, 35, 40, 95, 78, 9, 23 = 421 (9d100)I like the idea of the lonely mountain surrounded by swamp and water, we do need some green in here though
>>45621916could be a grixis plane
Rolled 64, 69, 4, 34, 19, 70, 37, 58, 99 = 454 (9d100)>>45621916Mt. Moist is a terrible place to visit, and an even worse place to live, unless you're ArchMage Strockthromp. A crazed hermit who has magicked himself a hut on the mountain overlooking an expanse of water, he makes daily trips around the mountain to fetch psychedelic mushrooms from the swamp. There, he does daily battles with mechanical monstrosities, all while hallucinating vividly.
>>45621944Thats true, a plane lacking only green mana could be pretty interesting
>>45621878>>45621910>>45621916The results so far, and some green in the southwest.>>45621958This one's coming next.
Rolled 39, 55, 76 = 170 (3d100)
>>45621958>>45622012For those curious, the current count is:White: 46Blue: 64Black: 41Red: 18Green: 16Colorless: 17Let's have some more sets of 3d100.
Rolled 21, 62, 69, 4, 78, 9 = 243 (6d100)>>45622041
Rolled 77, 54, 19, 72, 44, 100, 13, 6, 20 = 405 (9d100)>>45622041Whats your thoughts for the colourless mana areas
>>45622092How about:This plane has a problem, the mana and features of this land occasionally bleed out into the blind eternities, or vice-a-versa, causing vast swathes of colorless, featureless, expanses, wherein nothing can live. Similar to wastes I guess, but more naturally occurring and a hostile feature, like a volcano or pitfall.People know and just deal.
>>45622072>>45622092Colorless lands will be determined based on their generation location. They could end up being cities, fortresses, wastelands -- any Magic card that is a land that produces colorless mana could be suitable for them.>>45622155That is also a possibility.As we are a Planesforger, putting this world together with pieces of other worlds, and since it is randomly determined (possibly because we can only direct, but not entirely control the power we have come into) the lands can end up more unnautural in some places.Black is currently in the lead, color-wise.Let's have some more 3d100s.
>>45622200Oh man It has been ages since I've actually had to roll diceHere we go.dice+3d100
Rolled 93, 40, 63, 45, 67, 83 = 391 (6d100)>>45622200
>>45622247Ya I got nothing.Shit.
Rolled 27, 89, 36 = 152 (3d100)>>45622200
>>45622266How to roll dice: "dice+2d6" without the quotes in the email field rolls 2d6. "dice+5d42+23" rolls 5d42+23. "noko+dice+2d6" rolls 2d6 without showing the roll in the email field.
Rolled 85, 86, 42, 74, 3, 41, 5, 42, 37 = 415 (9d100)
>>45622266you have to put it in the options>>45622282>email>nokothat's obsolete
Rolled 82, 96, 88 = 266 (3d100)>>45622282Too much time on shit with BBS.>>45622298Thanks
>>45622254>>45622268>>45622288>>45622311Current Count:White: 64Blue: 78Black: 71Red: 50Green: 38Colorless: 39Let's have some more and keep this train rolling.
Rolled 27, 43, 34, 85, 66, 17, 64, 45, 22, 15, 88, 7 = 513 (12d100)LOADSA DICE
Rolled 16, 80, 36, 15, 51, 56, 75, 97, 95 = 521 (9d100)
>>45622597>>45622576White managed to pull ahead of black as we snake up to the northwest.Let's have some more.
Rolled 63, 73, 21, 39, 36, 95, 9, 32, 41 = 409 (9d100)>>45622738Have some dice
Rolled 8, 21, 71, 98, 52, 64, 76, 90, 53 = 533 (9d100)
>>45622761>>45622795White pulls ahead and is the first color to break 100.White: 110Blue: 99Black: 86Red: 64Green: 65Colorless: 62
Rolled 52, 9, 3, 65, 86, 9, 56, 35, 60, 10, 100, 50, 9, 95, 21 = 660 (15d100)>>45622860More dice
Rolled 40, 42, 71 = 153 (3d100)>>45622738Let's get some green or waste in here
Rolled 58, 55, 59, 24, 46, 28, 47, 10, 75 = 402 (9d100)I've gotta sleep for work now, keep this alive till the morning anonsI'm counting on you all
Rolled 21, 5, 83, 62, 22, 40, 74, 40, 36 = 383 (9d100)>>45622553>>45622860I think once we have the map finished we should turn most of the colorless land into dual-colored lands based on nearby land-types or least populous land types.
>>45623069That is a possibility. Some places also tap for colorless and other colors, such as pic related, and could fit into niche places that end up on the map.
Rolled 27, 62, 82 = 171 (3d100)>>45623126Depending on how things go, I feel that lonely mountain at the bottom should be a special location.
>>45623162It already is, as it's the home of a shroom addicted wizard.
>>45622886>>45622887>>45622934>>45623069>>45623162White got a big boost this round, and we're working our way back to the center.White: 172Blue: 141Black: 86Red: 78Green: 85Colorless: 74Let's keep it going.I'm going to take a brief break for dinner but I'll return with rolls made after this post added to the map.You guys liking the way it's turning out so far?
Are we going to stop when we hit >100 of each mana or until the map is full?
>>45623398It's rad. how are we deciding races and creatures for the plane?
Rolled 72, 55, 24, 20, 15, 29, 9, 2, 42, 60, 79, 53 = 460 (12d100)
Rolled 65, 7, 24, 10, 24, 2, 19, 63, 69, 63, 21, 30, 91, 69, 33 = 590 (15d100)>>45623398Dice
>>45623411Once we hit a certain point, I'll fill the rest in myself, basically expanding outwards, with a larger emphasis on blue in order to make rivers, oceans and such.>>45623457Each region of color will be populated based on its size. For example, a land-locked blue region that is 34 hexes in size will have more creatures than one that is 13 hexes in size. Creatures will also be determined by use of their mana cost, and some regions will be able to have multi-colored creatures inhabiting the borders based on what colors are adjacent to it.I also want to approach it from an ecosystem kind of way, which is to say I want creatures that serve as predators and non-predators, and the sapient races living in these regions will have to fit into the ecosystem as well, either by being apart of it (I imagine elves would rather coexist with nature) or by dominating it (humans or orcs would be a good example). Territory will play a big factor in the world we are forging and as >>45623069 suggested dual-lands and tri-lands will also be factored in.
>>45623584I know it makes sense to expand blue for rivers and oceans, but i think it could be cool if we kept going random a bit.And who is to say that a green mana section couldn't be a huge mangrove forest? That's enough like a body of water.Also we are making the plane right? We're wizards with no sense of right and wrong, or ecosystems that have evolved over millions of years.
>>45624006I hear you. I think that the exterior regions will be mostly water though, with a few central and large landmasses.But we're still randomly determining the lands, so we'll see how it ends up.I think, after a certain point, I'll ask the thread if it's a good point to stop and just fill in the rest myself.Anyway, doing the next numbers now.
Did you create this table?
>>45624048That's fair. I'm just overly concerned about the knee jerk reaction of "Blue favoritism".Actually, thinking about it. Blue comes from islands. Not the water or oceans. Wouldn't they be colourless?
>>45624179Blue is indeed islands, but if there is an abundance of it, we'll deal with it when the times comes.Here's the latest map. Let's have some more rolls so we can fill out this center region.Red pulled up quite a bit and surpassed black.White: 192Blue: 171Black: 86Red: 102Green: 85Colorless: 74
Rolled 28, 26, 29, 83, 13, 53, 79, 94, 26, 50 = 481 (10d100)>>45624443Fuck my life.
>>45624466That was a 10, so I'll just be counting the first 9.
Rolled 31, 51, 73, 74, 88, 30, 9, 25, 17, 65, 25, 95, 48, 33, 28 = 692 (15d100)>>45624289Dice for the dice God
>>45624501I wasn't sure how many you needed so I figured a fistful would do
>>45624584Sorry, should've kept saying 3d100. Sets of 3, so the posts with 6, 9, 12 and 15 I don't mind. The first determines direciton, the second determines color, the third determines the amount.>>45624466>>45624551Lots of red and black this time around.Let's have some more 3d100s.
Rolled 40, 24, 40 = 104 (3d100)>>45624696
Rolled 11, 84, 63, 93, 72, 33, 90, 18, 2, 26, 7, 83, 31, 36, 49, 15, 24, 20 = 757 (18d100)>>45624696Lets go more green. Papa elf needs a new home.
>>45624696Is OP making an autistic T-Rex?
>>45624822Looks more like Yoshi to me.So, maybe exactly what you said.
>>45622155>>45622200I like this. Maybe some of the colorless patches and unusual borders are the actual seams of this patchwork world. Along them, the land itself suddenly and unnaturally twists into different terrain. Mana leylines could also be worked into this.
>>45624781>>45624793White broke 200.White: 221Blue: 194Black: 155Red: 137Green: 85Colorless: 74Let's have some more 3d100s.
Rolled 12, 19, 95 = 126 (3d100)>>45624920Letsa go!
Rolled 61, 30, 26, 32, 8, 97, 94, 9, 68, 88, 72, 27, 94, 94, 14 = 814 (15d100)>>45624943>>45624920Also these ones
Rolled 23, 46, 89, 64, 100, 66, 1, 4, 97, 2, 39, 64, 13, 70, 26 = 704 (15d100)>>45624920Starting to look good. It'd be cool to turn this into a MtG Hexcrawl Adventure
>>45624943>>45624960>>45625022Not much green being randomly generated. It's fallen behind colorless now as well.Let's have some more 3d100s.
Rolled 13, 61, 92, 51, 48, 49, 82, 73, 100, 33, 20, 59, 36, 89, 11, 26, 51, 51 = 945 (18d100)>>45625160ok, reverse psychology. I don't want green. I hate green. Fuck leaves.
Rolled 5, 80, 73 = 158 (3d100)>>45625160
Rolled 47, 84, 86, 72, 75, 86, 50, 53, 74, 75, 77, 95, 53, 78, 12 = 1017 (15d100)>>45625160What if all the colorless lands are Wastes that used to be Forests?
Rolled 38, 89, 26, 60, 20, 10, 88, 56, 10, 44, 87, 93, 59, 95, 56 = 831 (15d100)>>45625160Dice
Rolled 76, 21, 82, 54, 56, 56, 20, 41, 71, 43, 87, 92, 26, 60, 51 = 836 (15d100)>>45625300still pretty shitty for elffags
>>45625337If not that, deserts would be cool as well.Depends on what kind of plane we want it to be.
>>45625233>>45625273>>45625300>>45625329>>45625337Alright give me a moment, this is quite a bit.We reached the top of the map.Still no green in >>45625233 or >>45625273
>>45625374DESERT ELVES! They hugged their trees so much they all gone died (as in the trees)
>>45625401Elves try to expand the forests using magic/technology but in their hubris destroy them instead.A cliche but it's one I enjoy.
>>45625401>>45625506>>45625374Sounds sick. Desert Waste Elves. Perhaps they're all Elf Mutants with Devoid, too.Their version of Llanowar Elves would still be 1/1 for G but produces Colorless mana instead.
>>45625701>>45625160As we can see, (almost) all patches of waste are in direct contact with black, whereas almost no green is in contact with black. Black mana corrupted wastes elves!
>>45625233>>45625273>>45625300>>45625329>>45625337>>45625745This was a big haul for black and colorless, but towards the end there was green, which surpassed the colorless.Black is currently the dominant color.White: 279Blue: 254Black: 331Red: 178Green: 164Colorless: 120Let's have some more 3d100s.
Rolled 63, 8, 39 = 110 (3d100)>>45625793FOR THE WASTES! EVERYTHING SHALL BECOME NOTHING!
Rolled 100, 8, 48 = 156 (3d100)rolling
Rolled 92, 45, 14 = 151 (3d100)>>45625793
>>45625835>>45625856>>45625859Some more white and blue.Let's keep it rolling!
Rolled 60, 46, 92, 33, 65, 28, 85, 98, 3, 19, 59, 78, 14, 68, 91 = 839 (15d100)>>45625927REEED
Rolled 72, 18, 82, 14, 22, 27, 29, 94, 31, 96, 36, 60, 26, 91, 87 = 785 (15d100)>>45625927gimme dat black
Rolled 13, 46, 32 = 91 (3d100)>>45625927white and blue, damn i like black and blueeven in bed
Rolled 14, 23, 74, 58, 32, 38, 23, 96, 63, 8, 6, 86, 97, 35, 21 = 674 (15d100)>>45625927
>>45625953>>45625971>>45625994>>45625997Alright, we just hit 1500 in total colors, and here's the result so far.What say we we stop and make this into its own landmass; surround it in water and fill in the gaps?Then we can make a separate landmass elsewhere from it.Here's the current count for this landmass:White: 317Blue: 324Black: 357Red: 241Green: 169Colorless: 136Let me get some feedback. What would you like to do? Keep rolling on this one, or fill in the gaps and move onto a new landmass?
>>45626367What's the size of each hex in regard to landmass?
>>45626367I was going to say it could use some oceans. I suggest you fill in some gaps and we start again in the lower right corner.>>45626393I think this would be good
>>45626393Hmm. >>45626419 isn't so bad, but I think it's like to double or triple its values. Maybe 12/14/6 miles respectively (red/blue/green values)
>>45625506>>45625701>>45625745I did a quick doodle for corrupted elf. Maybe too corrupt. Might do another design that's more of the corrupt but still graceful thing. Oh, graceful scarab elves. But unfortunately its 0200 for me. I hope the thread is still going by then.
>>45626591By "then" I mean morning. I'll hopefully drawfag in the morning.
>>45626591That looks more like an Elf Horror to me (and a little goblinoid too), Elf Mutants should still be bipedal at least.Looks great though!>>45626630Sounds great! Hopefully we've figured out some more worldbuilding stuff by then.
Alright, I'm filling in the landmass a bit and we'll be resuming rolling shortly.
Strictly speaking on landmass, here's the general shape of the first landmass.
>>45626940Alright, we'll do the lower right next.Give me a 1d6 and a 1d100.
Rolled 6 (1d6)>>45626985
Rolled 80, 40, 40, 86, 86, 74, 17, 48, 62, 4, 31, 53, 61, 74, 40 = 796 (15d100)>>45626940That looks pretty good to me, if not strictly natural. I'd say we only need one or two more landmasses.>>45626985Sounds good
>>45626985whoops i didn't see what you asked for, just count the 80 then
>>45627006>>45627009>>45627024Some green to start, perhaps this will turn it around.Give me some 3d100s.
Rolled 98, 86, 3 = 187 (3d100)>>45627052there you go
Rolled 4, 7, 47, 13, 98, 41, 54, 83, 73, 93, 11, 99, 83, 42, 52 = 800 (15d100)>>45627052d100's everywhere
>>45627087>>45627103Colorless, Black and Red.Let's have some more.
Rolled 18, 100, 91, 15, 11, 4, 93, 72, 59, 73, 34, 33, 46, 46, 49 = 744 (15d100)>>45627279Alright. What do you think about the colorless elf mutants we were discussing? I don't think we should set anything in stone yet but it sounds like a cool idea.
Rolled 32, 67, 95, 7, 8, 90, 71, 4, 73, 42, 85, 22, 16, 63, 50 = 725 (15d100)rr--r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r--r-rr-r-r-r-r-r-rolling
>>45627305I definitely do feel that there is quite a bit of colorless going on, which surprises me a bit, given that it only has a 5% chance of being rolled on. I can't help but think that the more north you go (on the first landmass) the more colorless land is seen, as well as more concentrated swampland. There's also a lot of synergy between Black and Red, particularly on the lower right sections.As for the corrupt elves, I don't want to encourage or discourage ideas at this point, but when we have the lands defined we'll get to populating them.
Rolled 26, 51, 8, 28, 86, 38, 86, 29, 6, 63, 6, 60, 72, 47, 12 = 618 (15d100)>>45627279Dice
>>45627305>>45627313Lots of black and red.Landmass 2:White: 5Blue: 14Black: 113Red: 40Green: 32Colorless: 32You know, I can't help but wonder if our Planesforger is sick, or dying, or possibly carries some nature of corruption within himself, hence the bleak (thus far) nature of this world.Let's have some more 3d100s.
Rolled 44, 7, 83, 79, 44, 2, 81, 95, 55, 22, 94, 100, 30, 10, 34 = 780 (15d100)>>45627368Rollan
Rolled 75, 79, 95, 43, 10, 88, 18, 58, 70, 25, 87, 15, 48, 28, 10 = 749 (15d100)dice on the way
Rolled 53, 13, 100, 56, 47, 69, 37, 11, 88, 74, 80, 51, 69, 61, 32 = 841 (15d100)>>45627696so much dice
>>45627689>>45627722>>45627723Here's these ones.>>45627760Doing this one now.
Rolled 68, 35, 38, 35, 33, 13, 100, 84, 40, 62, 71, 68, 76, 92, 35 = 850 (15d100)>>45627992lookin good
>>45627760>>45628038Quite a bit in the southeastern sections.I'm going to head to bed in a moment (work is going to be busy tomorrow) but this project will resume tomorrow afternoon around 3 or 4 pm est.For those of you interested, help me and keep the thread bumped with conversation on the world being forged or just bumps, but if it dies I'll make a new one and we'll resume.Feel free to roll more sets of 3d100 and I'll add it all in when I get back.
the first area is kinda more ed and black, is this an abandoned island that has been left to rot and fester while inhabitants moved to another area?idea i just had
>>45628494So far, I think we're waiting until we have a full map. While there is a lot of black and red, there are a lot plains for white. The real concern is the amount of colorless land.
Does anyone else think this would is actually ending up not so great as far as prospects of living in it go?I'm talking Dark Souls-tier
This could probably be a bit more uniform with another roll to see if the new landmass starts off at the current "cursor", or if it jumps to an open landmass of the same color. Could probably get larger and more dynamic structures this way.
>>45629105Abundant black, red, white, and blue mana. Fair amount of green revealed so far. Disjointed, unstable landscape with regions periodically slipping in and out of reality. Not sure about the Dark Souls comparison, as I've never played it, but it could be interesting to develop.Wedge/shard lands with phasing?
>>45629479Black Mana is definitely the primary so far on this plane.
>>45629670Oh, yeah. No argument so far there.
>>45629479>>45629670It'd be cool to have this be a post-apocalyptic plane in which most of the forests were lost. Sort of like Time Spiral Dominaria without the time travel/planar shifts. Perhaps the current forests are radically different, either mutated or made of fungi instead of real trees.The Colorless lands can be Desert/Wastes.
Here's a list of a bunch of races from MtG Salvation. I thought it'd be useful for brainstorming what sort of races we'd like to include. Perhaps we could go with some of the more common races? I'd love to include treefolk even if forests are rare on this plane.ApeCentaurCyclopsDauthiDryadDwarfElfFaerieGiantGnomeGoblinGorgonHagHumanKithkinKoboldKorMerfolkMetathranMinotaurMoonfolkNagaNoggleOgreOrcOupheSatyrSelkieSirenSoltariSurrakarThalakosTrollVedalkenViashinoWerewolfYetiAinokAmphinAvenKitsuneLeoninLoxodonNantukoNezumiOrochiRakshasasRhoxWolfirAngelArchonAvatarBringerDjinnGodLamiaNymphReflectionShadeShapeshifterSkeletonSliverSpecterSpiritThrullVampireWraithZombieBeebleCarrierCephalidDemonDevilDragonDroneEldraziElementalEyeGremlinHarpyHomaridHomunculusHorrorIllusionImpIncarnationKirinNephilimNightmareNightstalkerSpawnSphinxSpiritThallidTreefolkZuberaMutantOrggVolverWeird
>>45624160Can we have it?
>>45630253they've gone to bed for the night, they'll be back tomorrow. Most likely they wrote it down on paper.
>>45630034We can use the nature of artificial planes for this. Slowly, whatever kept this place stable is failing. Landscape becoming bizarre, the lessening presence of green mana, the seams of reality becoming weak.>>45630243>SelkieI like these. Seals that can become people on land. Seems they're considered merfolk.How about some mechanics to reflect this place or provide inspiration?
>>45620907we need to codify this system for later use.
>>45630524The few selkies included in Shadowmoor/Eventide have fairly generic U/G abilities. However, they're more hybrids than shapeshifter. The selkies of this plane could be Merfolk Shapeshifters if we want to focus on that aspect of their mythology.Landwalk/Unblockable seems like a good way to represent their amphibious nature and ability to escape detainment. Perhaps Shroud/Hexproof would work too.Although not very tough, a race of Landwalking/Hexproofers would be an interesting concept.They could also just be flip card like werewolves, too. I'll try to think of other mechanics that might fit selkies.
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>>45631379I was also thinking SLIVERS as well, but how do we include them without just rehashing old ones? Colorless slivers? Sliverfolk?
>>45631431Honestly I like the idea of sliver folk but what would they look like? What would their lore be?Would they be incomplete slivers of a broken god like (what I recall) of their old lore?
>>45631431Well, I've always had a bit of a magical realm for slivers kidnapping fertile humanoid females and converting them into broodmothers. THEN I realized that's a rehash of the Alien movies, so that's stupid.I don't think they should be colorless, but maybe a schism in sliver society? One hive is a true hive: ruled by the collective will of the swarm; the other one is composed of individuals who are capable of telepathic communication. Maybe some geographic separation between the two of them. They constantly do raids between each other. And completely fuck over everything that stands in their way.
>>45631543That could be what's going on with the colorless areas. Wastes perhaps? I'd maybe like to see if we could do something benevolent about the slivers on this world then.I mean not exactly "hurr durr we're nice" but more... inherent to the order of the world?
>>45631539If I recall, slivers were originally created from reviving fossils. Perhaps these slivers are an offshoot that was never tampered with by the Riptide project. They would be dangerous, sure, but not killer bioweapons. Just a race of adaptive creatures with the potential for sapience.>>45631543How about 5 Sliver Queens, but one of each color. Instead of focusing their agression on other races, they make war with each other and the other races have learned to avoid them and their interspecies conflict.>>45631578This works if slivers aren't the bioweapons and simply magical creatures.
>>45630243We need a snow supertype, we need a snow plane.
>>45631599slivers go crazy without a controlling hive mind longterm.
Well, considering this is a constructed plane, what if the slivers being there and being so adaptive are what helps the plane stay together?Like how Time Spiral had those slivers that could produce mana, maybe the slivers here have some similar kind of plane-related adaptation?
>>45631640My suggestion is having 5 Queens vying for control of the species.>>45631655And maybe the plane is currently fucked up because the Green Sliver Queen was killed off?
>>45631599How about 5 Sliver Queens, but one of each color. Instead of focusing their agression on other races, they make war with each other and the other races have learned to avoid them and their interspecies conflict.>This works if slivers aren't the bioweapons and simply magical creatures.How about we combine the two. I like the "slivers of an ancient god" idea. But the slivers as a race used to be a sort of Natural caretaker of the world or at least a force of true and wholesome balanced unity, until this collective unity was shattered (by what we don't know).so now the slivers war with eachother after the creation of sliver lords.
>>45631599Even more originally, Slivers were from Rath. Though there was some throwaway lore that they weren't native to Rath either. Perhaps this place could be Sliverhome? And that they're not acting crazy? And I don't like the 5-color Queens, only because that's just a rehash of New Phyrexia. I'd rather do something else with them. Perhaps one of the Sliver groups is a hive mind, like the basic slivers; and the other one is a mind hive - a super-powerful singular lifeform?
>>45631666What if the sliver tribes warring is a recent development? If the slivers are responsible for keeping the plane cohesive, now that they're fighting each other their death could be what's causing the plane to fall apart. Doubly so if the Green Queen died, because then we have a decided problem on keeping the plane from falling apart.
>>45631689well them being "five colored" might be a rehash but you got a good idea there. Them being differently themed. Lets multiple colors exist within a faction. and takes advantage of the "If we're next to eachother we share abilities" thing.
Rolled 37, 50, 86 = 173 (3d100)I drew these any advice anons?what other races should we have? And what should be their lore ties to slivers?And also should we keep rolling?
>>45631729Your man-sliver makes me think about Zyzz.I love it.
>>45631711I like this anon's idea >>45631689>one of the Sliver groups is a hive mind, like the basic slivers; and the other one is a mind hive - a super-powerful singular lifeform?Maybe the conflict is basically about where and how they approach this next step of evolution. There used to be a cohesive whole Sliver race and now there's this Singular Overmind (perhaps some dickass wizard with an instrumentality plot) that tried to take everything over, a collective of natural slivers, and to get inspiration from other /tg/ shit slivers that seem distinctly distressed at suddenly being individuals.
>>45631729I'd love to see something like shades or skeletons as the big black mana race, though I'm not sure how that would work in terms of origins.Restless mana ghosts? Death elementals? Any ideas?
>>45631764>A lone sliver stares unthinkingly at its little hand-scythe. >It's just realized that it referred to itself using a singular pronoun. >cue flailing
>>45631711>>45631689Only the Queens would be definitely monocolored and perhaps only the Queens would have the ability to give abilities to all slivers as to further differentiate them from typical slivers. The 4/5 Sliver Queens would have to give all slivers you control some decent boons to justify taking this ability away from the rest of them, though.I understand if this idea is unpopular, but the whole sliver boosting every other sliver might be too played out.This allows us to have lots of slivers with various abilities without worrying about them all giving different abilities to each other.>>45631770Maybe there was a huge war and only recently have the dead begun to rise en masse on the ancient battle fields they once fought. Without memories of past allegiances they've banded together.>>45631788>[screeches internally]
>>45631770Things broken, will always want to come together. Unity magic leftover from the sliver's creation and/or catastrophe permeates the land. Skeletons or rather bones want to re-attach and recombine in the presence of this Uniting force? Which ultimately creates bizarre skeleton creatures. Bone helicoptors? skeleworms?
>>45631793I'd like the idea of maybe having a legendary artifact or something of the like that gives the slivers their traditional "all slivers have x" ability. It turns any sliver battle into a massive clusterfuck.
>>45631808Skeletons made of skeletons. The spook is nigh.
>>45631830You saved me the trouble of posting a Nito image thanks anon. >>45631793>Without memories of past allegiances they've banded together.Again there might be some kind of unity and togetherness theme to the mana of the plane. it coalesces and collects. and compels creatures to do the same. This can be easy to apply to slivers, but it makes me wonder what that does to the other creatures of the plane.
>>45631770I was thinking of some sort of shade earlier. They'd be spirits, rule wise. People who get trapped in phased-out lands and are stuck halfway out of reality. One could or two could utilize dual faced, with a transform trigger based on a land being phased out or in. Also the keyword shadow for them? Not quite for color. Black? True colorless?
>>45631878>not quite sure for colorForgot to type in that word.
>>45631809Sort of like that artifact/angel/changeling that can give your creatures all the evergreen abilities? I like the sound of that.>>45631878What about a race of Ghostflame-like folk?
>>45631878The thing that's always been really interesting about shades in magic to me is their mechanic of "B: Shades gets +1/+1 until end of turn"I'm thinking they're a combination of the spirits of living things and raw mana or lands, and can draw in mana to become more 'real' for a short time. Getting trapped in phased out lands might be a cool way of doing this, though their color could be up for debate.
>>45631898Red being the color of Spirits? it could be neat. Pic Unrelated.I'm kind of having fun drawing Sliverfolk.
>>45631947Red having that hilarious nonsense dark ritual style mana ramp fits with it pretty well too. Also lots of symbolism with volcanoes and other erupting, lightning fast red stuff.
>>45631947They gotta have beaks my dude. The whole face think is what killed the new slivers for a lot of people.But keep the hips>>45631964Speaking of volcanoes, Red Shades could be the spirits of those sacrificed in vain to volcanoes in order to avert whatever crisis we end up deciding on.
>>45631898>Ghostflame-like folk?Like the idea. Should they be elementals or spirits? Maybe they get together to create big ol bonfires and produce mana. >>45631964Better to Burn out than to fade away. I like this. and they contrast the gooey combining skeletons.
>>45631599>How about 5 Sliver Queens, but one of each color. Instead of focusing their agression on other races, they make war with each other and the other races have learned to avoid them and their interspecies conflict.Welcome to new Sliverexia boys.
>>45631982Right my bad. kind of was the first impulse when it came to getting surprised "Oh wow! i just sprouted wings!"and maybe the more traditional sliver has just got a new lease on life
>>45631985When Red Shades get together, they make problems happen.Also the contrast with the skeletons means that we can have the skeletons focus on big, overwhelming power over time and being unkillable, as opposed to the Shades absurdly destructive charge.
>>45631985So Skeletons for Black,Spirits/Elementals for RedExpanding on the theme of Primarilly elemental creatures what else could fit into the remainder after that?Oozes for Green?
>>45631985Definitely spirits. Perhaps they're a race of warriors created through ritual cremation or volcano sacrifice?>>45631991I knew this would be brought up, but I feel that we can make them interesting enough so that parallel will not apply.>>45631995No worries. Great work btw.
>>45632018Oozes, fungus, maybe just raw plants? We have bunch of choices.I wonder if we could do some kind of eusocial insect, like ants or the moths from kamigawa for white?
>>45631689>Perhaps one of the Sliver groups is a hive mind, like the basic slivers; and the other one is a mind hive - a super-powerful singular lifeform?5 colors united against 1 big colorless threat with lots of tiny appendages/spawn.Battle for Sliverkar
>>45632031>>45632018If we go with the Dead Green Sliver Queen, what if she was like a huge Sliver Tree that maintained the forests, and her death let the scavengers of Green take over?So far, Green looks like it has been fucked over somehow, so Oozes and Fungi would be great. Perhaps even the forests are made from gigantic mushrooms. They should definitely be the token makers of this world, too. We could even have Fugus Oozes to represent slime molds.
Tied in with our loosing mana issue, I want to see a Wilted Lotus artifact.
>>45631764>Maybe the conflict is basically about where and how they approach this next step of evolution. There used to be a cohesive whole Sliver race and now there's this Singular Overmind (perhaps some dickass wizard with an instrumentality plot) that tried to take everything over, a collective of natural slivers, and to get inspiration from other /tg/ shit slivers that seem distinctly distressed at suddenly being individuals#zerglife
>>45632058Once defeated, the Slivers organize themselves into 10, I mean 9 factions.>Return to Sliverca
>>45632058Return of the Thallids! Well, ooze based thallids but I'm certainly not complaining. Instead of mushrooms for the forests though, I'm thinking that under the watch of the Green Queen, the trees got huge, redwood size at least. Now, filled with scavengers and decay, they're these giant rotting, fungus covered logs, slowly being eaten away by the rampant green mana that makes up the oozes and fungus.Considering the massive variety of horrifying looking mushrooms, I think we could make a surprisingly visually distinct bunch of oozy mushroom blobs.
>>45632035Traditional Slivers with QUeens and shit (maybe internal bickering) a collaborative hivemindvs a menacing and selfish singular dominating Overmind (perhaps it glues and fuses the slivers in its collective consciousness together rather than let them network naturally). and independantly sentient slivers, that are trying to figure out how to be "a race" Does that work?
>>45632100I'd like to give them Poisonous as well. If Green isn't going to be getting the huge beatsticks it usually gets, then poison counters would be a good way to balance them, alongside creature tokens.
so weird idea... what if other sentient races (if we have them) decended from slivers in much the same way humans decended from apes. and as such Elves and goblins might be able to "grant" slivers abilities but not get them. Sort of becomes like slivers adapting features and abilities from other races for some reason. and judging from the direction things are going in thread we might not even have the more traditional races in the plane. Just a weird idea.
>>45632114I like it. I also like the idea of some character/planeswalker/whatever attempting to speak with the Overmind and just getting a bunch of garbled screeching that makes out words. Like someone trying to talk by making bees buzz as slightly different frequencies.
>>45632134Maybe we can have the more traditional races find the plane. I mean, after all the plane is falling apart. I might pull a Rath and slam into a more 'normal' plane, much to everyone's dismay.
>>45632134I like it, but maybe not for this plane. If we can create a system for developing MtG planes, a silver plane would be sick.
>>45632145I dunno I kind of like the singular "broken-ness" of this plane. Maybe traditional races used to exist but due to the Disharmony that sundered the slivers they've long since disappeared or are just barely clawing on to civilization. Things going on with the slivers might be the key to getting things rebooted. Maybe the sentient slivers are a sort of reaction to more traditional races being absent. Kind of like that movie 9.
For anon who wanted treefolk, how could we work them in? I can imagine treefolk zombies easily.>>45632137https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haR7gWu8Q2s
>>45632178Speaking of which, Scarecrows that have survived their dead masters would be an interesting race if we wanted to include some artifact races.
>>45632155>If we can create a system for developing MtG planesyou are literally in the thread doing this thing.>>45632134what if that's the schtick of the independent slivers? They don't gain benefits from other slivers or the queens. But they can still give them?
>>45632178>>45632181With the idea of traditional races existing once upon a time, treefolk could be the original green race, and now are either incredibly rare uncorrupted treefolk, or the slightly more common (but not much) horrifying rotting treefolk. I'm thinking they're only partially alive, in that way that trees can survive the equivalent of a heart attack by just killing the section where the attack would really happen, and being sloughed around by the fungus that covers portions of their bodies. Also fuck yeah 9. That was a fun little movie.
>>45632181Zombie Treefolk work, especially if we end up deciding that the Black faction had a part to play with the reduction of Green mana in this plane.If we go with the 5 Sliver Queens idea, maybe the Black Sliver Queen killed off the Green one.>>45632204I meant something like this for creating MtG planes.
>>45620907flamekin from lorewyn seem to be hardy enough to survive in low green or high dispersion of mana worlds like what ops made.
>>45632114Maybe like in startrek when some borg start to get creative and more individual. They stil work a a "greater good"(heh) but start using their streingth and weaknesses better
>>45632277yeah perhaps, but it depends if they're covered by the spirits/elementals/shades (i dont know if we decided yet) in Red. Shades might be Red Black? >>45632263I dunno we're kind of edging against the 5 queens being separate factions, but instead of the black queen,it could perhaps be the "overmind" instead. Which might be in-keeping with black themes of "selfishness"
>>45632327I like the black queen deal. It also kind of fits with the conglomeration theme we have loosely going the skeletons. Black on this plane could be all about those big blobs of horrible selfish stuff.Its this what happens when black mana decides it wants to be white?
>>45632225>Also fuck yeah 9. That was a fun little movie.Damn straight it was, and the whole "fixing a broken world" theme that we've been tossing around was making me think of it.Either 9, or Dark Souls or Bionicle for some reason weirdly enough. Also question! One arm or two arms?
>>45632378Son, someday you will learn to appreciate all sliver ladies
>>45632378You have just listed three of my favorite pieces of nostalgia. Thank you.I vote one arm. It ties them closer to the original slivers, though it could be variable. Number of arms depending on environment?
>>45632378sliver people need masks, to establish self identity within a pseudo hive mind. Like the internet.
>>45632402>All the sliver ladies!>All the sliver ladies!>All the sliver ladies!>All the sliver ladies!>If you like then you should have put a sol ring on it.
>>45632410Masks you say? Maybe. I can see them also "face painting to differentiate themselves from eachother.
>>45632327Old flamekin went skeletal, these ones could turn into flamewisps and be an elemental spirit tribe, with some cards spawning 3/1 elemental spirits tokens when they die.
>>45632525>That bionicle mask is not from OnuaHeresy
So we got Flamekin-RedSkeletons-BlackOoze-Greenwhat should be white or blue? I know spirits in white is played out (sort of why i someone suggested Red Spirits earlier) but i've been dwelling on the idea that white might be remnants of memories of peoples that once lived in this world? What creature type would a "wisp" be? spirit? Faerie?
>>45632631What if we have something like Krakens be blue? Something big and primordial, or connected to the idea of the oceans.alternatively, the selkies earlier in this thread could totally fit the bracket, if we tweak them enough to make them interesting. I'm thinking a little more monstrous than usual, to fit with the decidedly non-civilized batch of species we have so far. Maybe deep sea merfolk kind of things? Angler fish and such?
>>45626367It looks like a man on a motorbike
>>45632648Cephalids, the octopeople are a unique mer race. There are crab people to pick from also.
>>45632685as much as I want to draw Little crab people or selkies, we might need something to complete the cycle of these "primordial races"
>>45632378>One arm or two arms?Three, two placed like normal arms,and one in between the pectorals that is smaller.
>>45632708What about golems for white mana? Not like the old mirrodin golems, but something along the liens of a kind of 'spirit of civilization' thing. They exist out of the ruins of kingdoms and villages, like how the skeletons exist out of the ruins of people themselves. Maybe have them have a flip state, or some kind of active state that lets them become a land?
>>45632708Perhaps white could be primordial angels, somewhat like biblical portrayals of angels. Something like a series of gold rings spinning(?) around a mote of light. White is law and order and an almost mechanical form for white wouldnt be strange.
>>45632779>>45632775Why not combine these two, they are styled after Biblical Angels, but in order to communicate with people they use humanoid bodies made out of parts of their "city". mostly because their voices turn people into white crystal normally, but when filtered through the mouths of the golems, they don't.
>>45632816I love it, mechaical divine is great. Their board wipe could be called deus ex machina which is a nice bonus.
>>45632816So perhaps some kind of loose enchantment creature kind of thing. They cant really interact with the regular world when not attached to something. Soulbound?
>>45627696Looking at the distribution of some of the colours, I can see a few possibilites. For starters, all the wastes are bordering a large amount of water. (So are the swamps for the first continent, but still) What if sea-faring civilization?Or going the more eldritch desert approach, things landing in the oceans which are raising the land or growing on their own. Fragments of the dead god growing a mirror of the silvers-Devoid humanoids formed from the physical remnants with all the mana drained, where the slivers were all the mana concentrated into smaller places.There's a big mountain range that runs almost all the way across the southern portion of the North continent save for breaks by swamps. Could this be linked? The bones of the God buried under the mountains, and where the mountains are thinner, black mana seeps up.Also, if the main groups we're driving for at the moment are 4 tribes of slivers and 1 tribe of mutant elves(out of green) We need a central green theme and I vote we bring back the behemoths. Hyper adaptive and evolutionary, the only things that have survived whatever cataclysm happened to green mana. (Also because hell yeah Baloths.)
>>45632816Ooh, Nephilim as Primordial Golem tribe! Incarnate monitoring angels.
>>45632711I like the way you think anon. I might be going to bed. So I hope this thread is around tomorrow so i can keep drawing things.
>>45632905I just realized that we could have these golems be gargoyles and nothing would really change. all in favor?
>>45632987Gargoyles are nice, and it gives white flyers other than just regular winged angels.
>>45632987i can get behind that. might need to keep close to the somber Post-apoc sliverworld theme in mind. Should gargoyles be natural creatures that have the ability to say... turn into stone? Gain indestructible/ if you charge them with mana? Or they become/unbecome artifacts in addition to their other types if they are charged with mana.
>>45633019I'm thinking so far our plane has these kind of key points:>Once upon a time, there were more regular races.>Green Sliver Queen died, slivers fought, plane started to fall apart.>The current monocolor races are all sort of derived from a previous race.i.e. Skeletons from bodies, Red Shades from spirits, Gargoyles from architecture, Oozes from treefolk. >Also all of our monocolor races are more primal and elemental than the usual magic races. With that in mind, I like the idea of the angelic orderbeings inhabiting ramshackle gargoyles made of the ruins of white mana civilization. Maybe have them be artifacts your can pump with mana to make into creatures? Also, any idea on what we should do for blue?
>>45632914Adding more sliverladies.
>>45633019Perhaps they could be artifact creatures meant to fight the slivers, they were obviously too weak to save their makers but strong enough to continue to exist. They could be "running dry" and the angels could be using the white mana in their bodies to revive them. I liked the idea a previous anon had making the angels be living enchantments, so the gargoyles could be getting benefits like losing defender or gaining stuff like flying when enchanted.
>>45633065we mentioned selkies earlier, but we might be moving away from having sentient humanoids around. Or if they do there should be something wrong with them.I feel something in flavor for blue would be rediscovery. a lower level of evolution race is just getting its shit together and is piecing together the lore of this world. Too bad the world is falling apart around them but still. Pic related Selkies perhaps refluffed into this?
>>45633213>Pic related Selkies perhaps refluffed into this?That's adorable, maybe they live is cities like Oto Gunga?
I like the blue slant of knowledge and discovery for having blue's be an entirely new race? Monoblue weirds or possibly elementals, smart enough to be aware they didn't exist before.
>>45633245>smart enough to be aware they didn't exist before.Maybe they were, like the gargoyles, built into the cities as a form of data storage and transportation.
>>45633245Wierds are all artificial and anomalous by nature, they are made from fusing red and blue mana together in non-compatible forms with artiface and magic.A new race that takes after things like surrakar would probably be the best fit for blue, emerging sentience in a world where eveything simply does whatever it does would be nice. Although making them shrimpy babies wouldnt make sense because they have to be able to survive the savage primal world they live in.
>>45633245not the best fit i know but i actually like the Weirds idea more.And i wasn't exactly suggesting make a new race, just refluffing selkies in so far that they're mammalian/seal merfolk.
I vote for green being Fungus/fungus based.
>>45633245I think the "emerging sentience" bit might be taken by one of the sliver factions anywho. >>45633305You know I was about to bring up Nausicaa. Hell moebius too. that could be a nice aesthetic to the world.
>>45632114So, the Zerg?
>>45633327Perhaps. I haven't played starcraft all that much, but i think an entity is called the overmind. I think what might separate it from the sliverqueen hivemind is that things might be physically tethered together. not unlike pic related if you're familiar with it. Maybe Overmind Slivers can sack themselves to share their abilities or sack themselves to grant power/toughness to others.
>>45633460>forgets pic. Should be getting to sleep. goddamn.
>>45633460Maybe the Theme of the Green Hive was symbiosis with nature? Their gimmick being that they can merge with another creature to give it access to things Slivers would have, the creatures later evolved in a way that made this easier because, after all, you never know when an extra set of eyes and appendages might come in handy, also the Slivers don't actively try to control the creatures they can bind to, mostly because they don't need to.
We should have some Leonin/cat-lion folk in there.
>>45633905>We should have some Leonin/cat-lion folk in there.Sounds good.
>>45633905Aren't they like everywhere? If we include them we might have to do something interesting with them.Again the post-apoc and resurgence theme is going on. We mentioned G/B Treefolk that have been corrupted by the ooze and death of green mana that came from the green sliver queen. So perhaps Leonin are R/W, Noble and righteous but getting really antsy and emotional about the failing state of the world and their role in it. And as such, like the Treefolk might be on the verge of dying out. Maybe what bigger hominid races there are could follow an enemy color theme?
>>45633736Mind control fungi!Alternatively make it so that there is a fungal hivemind or every fungus is part of the same organism spanning the whole plane (think Halo Gravemind). This would give the opportunity for another race (maybe primitive humanoid) with green and another color who maybe see the Fungus as a god and try to spread the Godfungus over the rest of the plane.Or we could stay with the long forgotten Civilization thing. Maybe link the fungi with their take on instrumentality through biologic means. A once proud and allmighty civilization, now merely a plane spanning network of fungi in eternal silent communion, in utter fear over the death of the plane and thus the end of their eternity
>>45634007>Maybe what bigger hominid races there are could follow an enemy color theme?Well the W/B faction could be Horrors, I'm not sure how you'd make that work though.
>>45634007I was thinking for the Leonin, maybe they could be more peaceful than their canon aggressive counterparts. Sort of like Selesnya in terms of behind the scenes, but planning something big. RW would definitely work, if need be. (It's probably the better choice).
Good morning, everyone. I'm glad to see so much discussion.I'll be off to work in a bit and return around in about seven or eight hours (unfortunate, I know, but I'm glad this project is gaining some traction).We'll be actively resuming rolling at that time.
>>45634207good to see you back op. thoughts on the developments so far? art and lore wise? will we be expanding the world later today I take it? And whats the bump limit for this thread I can just never remember. ? should we get an archive ready for when that happens?
>>45634335>And whats the bump limit for this thread I can just never remember. ?Bump limit on threads for /tg/ is 310 posts, we're still good for a while.
>>45628465A few obviously important locations for the first continent that was made:>The twin lakes to the North, with the thin strip of forests and swamps that separates them. The perfect den for Sultai shenanigans, somewhere out of the way and well-hidden in the undergrowth.>That long, massive stretch of plains that is guaranteed to be the domain of the most important and most powerful civilization of the setting.>Then to the South-East of it, there's that range of mountains separating that group of plains for another, with a small bundle of swamps in the middle of it. To me, that makes me think of some sort of fetid, war-torn pass, the only path that allows for easy access between two kingdoms that are likely on unfriendly terms. The amount of carnage and conflict that has taken place here over the years has probably turned it into an unholy, death-filled landmark fraught with danger.>To the West of the Southern-most point of that mountain range, you have that claw-like peninsula of entirely swamps, which I imagine to be some sort of ancient kingdom that has long since fallen to depraved magic, perhaps necromancy or something else. >That one red hex on the South-Eastern coast? Big fucking volcano.>Directly to the East of the big, important plains kingdom is the Northern portion of that mountain range I mentioned, as well as a whole collection of swamps and a few lakes. The perfect bastion for some Grixis nastiness that threatens all of the neighboring white territories.>At the Western edge of that claw-like peninsula of swamps, there's an extension of plains that ends in forests. Perhaps some sort of hallowed ground, still sacred and protected by the ancient rites of druids or something?There's a few other landmarks that I don't have the time to mention right now but hopefully you guys might be able to add some character to this.
>>45629479Dark Souls-style lore would have the world slowly dying. I think it would be more interesting to have it the other way round. Like, we're currently in the middle of a period of ordering and organizing while a few great heroes take the world from primal entities of pure life and time.
>>45634725No, just 300. We've got 30 more unless somebody else posts before I submit this.>>45634007So the pre-decline races are enemy colors?>B/G: Treefolk zombies>G/U: Selkie?>U/R: ???>R/W: Cats?>W/B: ???Maybe Loxodons or kithkin for W/B?
>>45634187>>45634007>>45635457W/R Leonin would work well with W/G Loxodon and Rhox, perhaps the three races had to work together in order to survive.Since the Green Sliver Queen died, green was basically split in two: The beastmen who escaped the decaying forests to survive in the plains (W/G) and the plants/oozes that now dominate those forests (B/G).Powerful treefolk zombies still live in the forests, but they've been driven insane and stalk the dead forests in search of people and things to smash.>>45633213I like the Shadowmoor selkies as seal-taurs rather than shapeshifters. We could make them a minor race that is only just rising to prominence as the world tries to get back on its feet.>W/R/G Beastmen (W/R Leonin, W/G Loxodon and Rhox)>4 Sliver Tribes>B/G Plants/Fungi/Oozes & Treefolk>Ghostflame Folk (Red Spirits with Devoid)>Wasteland Elves (Green Elf Mutants with devoid)>Blue Selkies>White Gargoyles>Black Skeletons/Horrors (Bone Conglomerates)I think we should not include goblins, and I'm not sure about humans either.Though I wouldn't mind dwarves. They could be the least affected by the change, for they built strong bunkers when they knew everything was going to shit and are only now leaving their homes.
>>45634039What if we make the Leonin more like the rebels from Time Spiral. The world is falling apart, the great civilization they made is now in ruin and being taken over by gargoyles, the primary forces of creation are going apeshit, what else are they going to do. Honestly, I'm just saying this on the principle of seeing post-apocalyptic catfolk nomads. Also, we could make them not strictly leonin, like on Alara. Pick another big cat or series of big cats to fit the role.
>>45635466What happened to the Red Shades?
>>45635498I think Leonin fits very well as a post-apoc race, they don't really have the feel of being builders of great cities or stuff like that. Dwarves could be a great fit for a red/white progenitor race, and they are criminally underused in Magic as it is.
>>45635529You just missed them, Anon. Ghostflame folk.
Okay, so we have the details of the (Ex)Green and Black Sliver Hives, what about the other three?
>>45635545>>45635466I like this idea that the more classic MtG races are kind of put to the wayside as the plane falls apart. We should have them definitely in the minor in terms of population and influence. We have our primarily kind of elemental group of monocolor races, and then maybe a bunch of more regular species that fit the dual color themes. >>45635545Dwarves could be interesting. Perhaps they are one of the species hurting the most by the apocalypse, like the treefolk. I'm thinking the dwarves are fighting the hardcore apocalypse survivor route, and desperately trying to hold on to their cities. Unlike species like the Leonin or our weird wasteland elves who left while the getting was good and survived in greater numbers, the dwarves went all stubborn and sealed themselves in the inner levels of their cities, fighting off all manner of planar-collapse induced nonsense.
>>45635466Are we doing allied-color tribes as well?>>45635498>Also, we could make them not strictly leonin, like on Alara. Pick another big cat or series of big cats to fit the role.How about puma people?
>>45635704I am totally down for pumas. Or maybe Lynx's. Depends what we want the plains and forests to have looked like before they went to shit.
>>45635661Yeah, I think the dwarves might've abandoned any settlements had above earth in favor of digging themselves further under ground, where they have to contest with things like earthquakes and angry elementals.
>>45635730>where they have to contest with things like earthquakes and angry elementals.and angry earthquake elementals.
>>45635704>>45635717Maybe Aztec Jaguar people?>>45635752What about angry elemental earthquakes?Elementals quaking with anger?Quaking anger elementals?
>>45635661>>45635545Could dwarfs fit as our blue/red race? We still need one for that gap.
>>45635778Dwarfs are traditionally red, yes
>>45635771The problem with aztec jaguars is that they were already kind of done in alara with the Nactal. >>45635778I like blue/red dwarves. Could they be responsible for us getting weirds as our Blue elemental race?
>>45635805>I like blue/red dwarves. Could they be responsible for us getting weirds as our Blue elemental race?Probably, though we'd need to decide how we're spinning the blue part of dwarves as they're much more of a red/white race pure flavorwise. White coming mostly from their structured society and tendency to work as a community.
>>45635609The Blue Sliver Queen could be entirely Hiveless, and instead travels underwater with a massive school of aquatic Slivers.>>45635778Red/Blue Dwarves could work really well. While the more traditional dwarves built their fortresses underground, other dwarves took to the sea and became Pirates.>>45635805>>45635845The focus of the dwarves could be searching for a "cure" for their world. Even though the world is technically recovering, it's not good enough for dwarves. They believe they can fix the problem.Some think they can go back in time, others think they can build a God Machine to fix everything, while others research the possibility of reviving the Green Sliver Queen. Then we have Dwarves who hunt slivers in order to experiment with their tissue in hopes of creating a substance that can revive Slivers from the dead.The dwarves mad scramble to fix the world has driven them apart in many directions, and have lost their structured society.
>>45635845How about we make the dwarves kind of both?Traditionally, dwarves were red/white and focused on the more traditionally values of building and community and red mana kind of just hung around the warriors. Then a bunch of dwarves started to go the mad scientist mode. They started off as a small faction that quickly grew in power and influence until they were the primary faced of dwarvenkind, and made great wonders. Unfortunately, when the plane started to fall apart, they didn't take it seriously. So when the plane started to fall apart on top of them, it got bad quickly. Never mind that their crazy experimental servant race of elemental blobbities got loose and took over a huge portion of the surrounding countryside, or that their cities were falling into ruin and getting infested with strange white-mana entities possessing statues and buildings. Instead of digging to deep, they scienced too hard.
>>45635916I like this idea.>>45635911This could work too, maybe with a "fixing their old mistakes" vibe to it.
>>45635950We could very well do both. Have the white/red dwarves more focused on survival and rebuilding, while the blue/red dwarves are determined by sheer science to solve a problem they don't really understand. What little structure in dwarven society that remains is with the white dwarves, but its stagnating, and its constantly under assault by outside forces. The scientist dwarves are pretty much varying levels of amoral and crazy, so their attempts to fix the problem are an exercise in frustration and disaster.
>>45635911>The Blue Sliver Queen could be entirely Hiveless, and instead travels underwater with a massive school of aquatic Slivers.Hmm, I can see that, I'm picturing the White Hive being like a swarm of Army Ants, with the members contributing to both the workforce and forming parts of the Hive structure itself.
>>45636069I can see the white/red dwarves in this scenario deciding that the blue/red dwarves are simply a bit too crazy, so they leave them to their machinations while simply making sure the dwarven race survives. The different ideologies are a good source for inter-racial conflict as well.
>>45636165Wait, not inter-racial, meant more like inner-racial or however you say it.
>>45636130That sounds pretty cool, though for a second I imagined a giant ball of Slivers with the Queen rolling it from within like a hamster ball.Though in actuality, it'd be like a swarm of giant locusts or ants.Since the White and Blue slivers are the more mobile ones, perhaps the Black and Red should actually have Hives.>>45636165W/R Dwarves are intent on simply surviving an forgetting their ancient mistakes that might of ruin their plane (perhaps they were experimenting with planeswalking?) while the U/R Dwarves are looking to fix their mistakes, though they might actually end up making things worse.I mentioned a God Machine, and it'd be interesting to have a cult of Dwarves who end up creating a God.>Legendary Artifact Enchantment Creature- God
>>45636130White slivers absolutely work like eusocial insects.How about since we have black as the big conglomerate sliver, what if the independent slivers with their new found use of singular pronouns are red mana? It is the color of individuality.
>>45636227Yawmgoth 2.0: Yawmgoth harder.
>>45636227 has me thinking...Could the more intelligent races (Cat-people, Dwarves, etc...) each have an idol? Not like the Theros Gods, but a God (maybe multiple, like false Gods) for each race that doesn't depend on their leaders (Slivers) It could also open up the realm of religion-fueled wars.
>>45636282On this idea, what if we have their idols be each aspects of the planeswalker that originally created the plane. Not that they know that.They each worship a different aspect of the same person, and you get all sorts of weird almost-congruence in their religious beliefs. It makes them just close enough to have constant strife over the tiny details.
>>45636311I like that idea a lot, the quarrels between all of the separate beliefs wouldn't become to aggressive, leading to an all-out war. But it would keep all of the races from uniting together without some form of hatred and disagreement.
>>45636359The can be even more interesting depending on what we do with the planeswalker in question. We've already brought up the idea of the planeswalker slowly dying, and their decline partially responsible for the plane going to shit. If they show up in terms of an actual plotline, that's a pretty big deal.I'm also thinking maybe a five color walker? Considering slivers are their unit of choice, it could have something to do with the Mending. Pre-Mending, being a 5 color wasn't that big a deal, but post-Mending the planeswalker's frail mortal shell can't handle that much raw power and that much diametrically opposed power. Maybe this could be why they're dying?
As every sliver draft environment has a colourless artifact sliver, we could have a play on that. How about drafts building one in intention of taking control of the slivers, only for it to go highwire and be really fucking destructive, while taking control of the adjecent ones.Also, I would see the green slivers as another moving hive similar to the ants, but instead of actually having a hive build out of sliver bodies it would be a complex net of scouts, warriors and others, moving through the jungle like locusts and clearing out all animals.
>>45636254Instead of a conglomerate what if it was more like a Suriname toad and baby slivers are almost constantly erupting from pods on its back?
>>45636311Sounds pretty cool. Now that brings up the question of is this walker alive or dead by this era?
>>45636426I think that's what Green slivers used to be, embodying the more communal values of green mana. Worked off the swarm idea, everything worked great. After the Queen died, we have a loose precedent that regular slivers without queens go nuts. I'm thinking the green slivers went feral, and as they did started embodying the more Baloth-y and Gargantuan-y aspects of green mana. Big, Ornery, Destructive, and Nasty.
>>45636480I'd say the walker isn't dead, but is in the process of dying. They were strong enough that they didn't just explode in a mana-flavored cloud when the Mending hit, but their strength is waning, and they might be trying to get back to their plane to die among their creations.Also hell yeah wilted lotus.
>>45636410A five color walker, post-mending, would definitely work (in my opinion at least). Do we have a concrete idea on where that walker is? Since the walker is on a new level of power, perhaps since he/she created the plane, he/she is attached to it, in order to sustain it just enough to survive? I also enjoy the idea that the walker is already weak just from being a five color walker alone, it gives a good reason for the inhabitants in that plane to survive. Following up the idea of the walker being attached to the plane, if the races ever execute a full-out war between each other it would damage the walker even more, since the war would break down the terrain and most likely use up a lot of mana.
>>45636524Could explain all the colorless sections. The lack of anchoring slivers and lack of walker intervention is eroding the walker's connection to his own lands. They're starting to just fall off into the blind eternities.
>>45636588So the plane is slowly losing it's mana and, well, the plane itself? Sounds rad.
>>45636523>>45636524What if the planes walker is just gone? Perhaps a young prodigy created this plane without knowing what they were doing and bailed after they got bored of being God?
>>45636501Didn't someone suggest that the Green Hive slivers could symbiotically connect with animals, maybe the death of the Green Queen did weird things to the ones who were bonded as such.
>>45636523>>45636524Five color oldwalker, made mortal by the mending. How they're dieing of old age, and trying to preserve their creation as long as possible.Personally, the two end scenarios I like most are either the the tragic one of the plane just dissolving into the blind eternities, or overlapping another plane just before that happens.
>>45636686I would love to see the event of an inhabitant of the plane becoming a powerful walker, and eventually aiding in the revival of the plane. Maybe we can get a walker that ISN'T anthropomorphic
>>45636741A sliver walker:^)
>>45636741No. Pic related is gonna fix it.In all seriousness, I'm thinking one of the last living treefolk. Spark ignites just as they're about to be trapped in a phasing.
>>45636802You thinkin what I'm thinkin?
>>45636864I like the treefolk walker idea. There is so many options for this walker honestly. Let's just hope it isn't human
>>45636886Nah, I always sexually preferred the Sliver Queen. However, a Sliver planeswalker would be terrifying. Because unless he's the one mega-sliver, it means that the Hive can now travel across the planes.Unless of course that's the goal of the MegaSliver - he absorbs as many abilities, planeswalks to a different world, and then sacrifices himself to make a new Hive.
>>45636741>The dwarves discover the dying planeswalker and agree to implant his spark into the corpse of the Green Sliver Queen in order to save the plane.Given this Sliverwalker is so important for maintaining the integrity of the plane, we don't have to worry about her invading other planes. Hell we can make her totally immobile like a tree
>>45636961From previous discussions, a planeswalker's spark probably won't work that way. Megasliver would be the best choice if we do a sliver walker.Keeping on the topic of slivers, and the unique colored hives they have here, would it be appropriate for them to have abilities like "[color] slivers have [ability]?"Also we need a new thread soon.
Can we get a running lore sheet that we can add to or amend? It would make this a lot more straightforward
I am unable to archive the thread on sup/tg/ due to the site being blocked. I can't do it on my phone (which I am currently pouting from) because the last time I tried it went badly. I would appreciate it if someone were to do this for me. I'm not out of work yet for a few hours, but I've been reading the discussion and have prepared something for the next thread.
>>45637594Sure. Got a title and description that you want?
>>45637568Let's see...Artificial plane, beginning to fall apart. Regions of the world slip in and out of the blind eternities.The amount of mana produced in thee plane, especially green, is in decline.There are the 4 sliver queens, one for each color except green.Aside from the mono-colored slivers, there are other races which correspond with opposing colors.>Black/Green Undead Treefolk>Red/White Catfolk>Blue/Green Selkies?>Blue/Red Dorfs>Black/White is yet unknown.Ruins of the old world have manifested as new monocolor tribes as well.>White gargoyles>Blue I forget>Black skeletons>Red ghostfire shades>Green fungi and oozesAnd then there's the planeswalker who created this world. Still being figured out.
>>45637120Could be what the big fight is over. does Mega Sliver get the spark and fuck off somewhere else? Or does someone who actually cares get it and put things rightThough that said maybe its a thankless job anyhow? Maybe Ugin sets a bad precedent. And last I checked the spark doesn't quite work that way, but igniting one might be the goal of the Mega/MonoSliver. Also I'm back.
>>45638159Someone was suggesting Horrors for Black white, but I'll be honest what if they're the "angels" instead. or we can maybe use the Seraphim creature type from original Ravnica with them? as for Mono Blue, someone tossed around Weirds and I quite like that. they could be a little like the robots from Engine heart trying, following basic programming and to follow what little orders they understand from their long dead masters. Which might amount to "Gather information, repair things (though no one is around to use or care about it)" etc. etc.
>>45638325I like it. Maybe make them U with a dash of G? Because bless their elemental hearts, they're trying?
>>45638418exactly. Perhaps they're just the right kind of optimistic that's really sad if you view it from any other perspective.
>>45638427>>45638325I'm wondering if homunculi would be a better fit.A couple other contenders for black-white were loxodons and kithkin. There was something mentioned about white-green with for the elephants, but I'm thinking there'd be too much if we did allied colors as well.Also page 10
>>45638600http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/45620907/Someone's got it up there under the title MTG: The Dieing Plane. So it works for what it is. Maybe next time we could add Planeforger to the tags for specificity. But wahey its saved.
>>45638600>>45638418>>45638325I love the idea of nephilim as our W/B race. They should be totally inhuman but include some aspects of human anatomy to allude to their past.Our selkies could be the creators of weirds, who used them as basically robots made out of water and sea plants.Maybe we should have a cycle of extinct allied color races, of which includes WG loxodons, WU humans, etc
>>45638752Yeah, OP was gone, and I needed to do something for the title. Will put that in tags next time.
>>45638600I was honestly thinking all allied color combinations could be covered by the Slivers in some way or another. Since they seem to be the bigger aspects of the plane.
>>45638773It will be much to incorporate allied colored races as well but that said if they were extinct and the remnants of their societies (Spells, Sorceries, Instants, Creatures and machines they had around and tamed) could be in the allied colors.
>>45638830Oh, I like this. Allied slivers, opposing races, and mono... those things. It's also good mechanically for this >>45637190
new bread when?
>>45638600>I'm wondering if homunculi would be a better fit.They might be honestly, they could fit the bill of "discarded robots" in this setting, but i dunno nothing feels quite as "elemental" about them as say Oozes for Green, Skeletons for Black, Flamekin (Elementals) for Red. that said I kind of feel the same way about Gargoyles, but they got some interesting lore goings on.No reason they couldn't be friends? >>45639227Not sure when. Best to keep the MtG: Planeforger title if you do. Unless you guys can wait on OP to fire it up themself.
I have returned from work about a half hour earlier than expected.As soon as this thread dies, we will start another one. I prepared some stuff for the next thread while I was at work, but couldn't post it, since 4chan (but not the 4plebs archive, oddly enough) is blocked there.
>>45639401good to see you OP. Hope I can actually participate in the rolling this time around.Otherwise have some art.I'm open to ideas and/or requests.