This is a thread to iron out the specfics of the Hua Yuan 1st Exterminator Regiment, an IG regiment that /tg/ randomly rolled up using the 1d4chan creation tables, before moving on to the fun stuff like their domestic enemies and the culture of the homeworld.What we rolled and some little things we have so far: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hua_Yuan_ExterminatorsHua Yuan 1st Exterminator RegimentSymbol> 园Motto>Nullus est instar Domus Regiment Origin> Imperial Guard: A true regiment, drilled and competent in their service. Regiment Demographic> Firstborn: Chosen by right of being the eldest child. > Standard conscription: Average or above-average citizens recruited from all levels of society. Regiment Homeworld> Hive World: No claustrophobia, excellent sense of direction? Urban combat! > Dead World: Able to make full use of the technology required to survive in such places. Regiment Tactical Information> Infantry Regiment Specialization> Hive Warfare Loyalty Rating> Adherent: Hold fast to the Creed and His will. (standard)Special Equipment> War Trophies Regiment Creed>For The Homeworld: This regiment's mission is to demonstrate the skill and steel of the homeworld to the rest of the Imperium. Regiment Friends> Imperial Guard ("Owned" by the Praetorians)Regiment Enemies>TyranidsColor Schemehttps://coolors.co/app/e56399-d3a588-ece2d0-7fd1b9-7a6563We've taken this and fluffed them out as Hong Kong cyberpunk helghast. Descendants the crew of a gigantic mining vessel that crashed on an inhospitable planet and survived despite it all. They are extremophiles, proud, (literally) bright, and consummate bug hunters. They are the Exterminators.So feel free to join in and provide fluff, images or whatever you'd like. This belongs to /tg/. Remember: At this point we're basically fluffing a WH40k TTRPG setting. And we can't do that efficiently without agreeing on the basics and fixing inconsistencies between threads.
>>45506052/archive rat/ here. Crunching down some of the ideas into digestable format
>>45506052So, traditionally lasguns lasers are red.Could you attach coloured filters to lasguns?They use fireworks and other flashy armaments, are their firefights laser shows?
Hive:The Hive is an empty shell of an old mining vessel, expansion moreso into the old mines than upwards, and the citizens are the decendents of the original crew and passengers. Surface Hive used for in and out of bulk cargo. A ship dropping on to it killed 0.75 billion including those that died later from radiation, fire and vacuum exposure, A further 2.4 billion died over the next half a standard year as a result of supply interruption. Starvation and shit going wrong due to mechanical failure in an artificial environment and such. A further 3 billion died over the next few years due to a virulent flu outbreak that started among a weakened population. On the whole it wasn't that big of a deal for the hive as a whole. Te hive recovered and it was forgotten about within 10 years, with the population at near half a trillion. The world is not strictly airless, but it has so much neon in the atmosphere that is unbreathable without filtration. Too polluted and irradiated to be outside. Because of the neon rich atmosphere, the planet glows bright orange in sunlight, and lightning strikes would be neon orange as well. What's left of the mining corps is now what acts as the de facto government, the ship's officers quickly establish themselves as nobility, combining to produce large amounts of usable neon. Constant state of small gang conflict that conditions the soldiers in their youth, also gives them their punk/looter tendencies. The impromtu government cobbles together a sizable PDF to get control away from gangs and enforce order. Living entirely in retrofitted ship wreckage, the planet's population has exploded at such a rate that conditions are considered cramped even among some hivers. As is typical of most hive worlds, a wealthy and powerful noble class lords over a massive and squalid lower class. Multiple languages spoken throughout the Hive (Will post if requested)
>>45506161Based. I will pray for you, /archive rat/.So are the Exterminators aware of the Sex Fangs/Heavenly Vipers whatever the hell the Genestealers are called or are they ignorant to the glam rock/Miami Vice Xeno cult pulling the strings?
>>45506351What I compiled from the first thread about the Hive. I just went post by post and filled in what was said about the hive.
>>45506351Do note "Neon". It's a multicolored element that is only called thus for its colourful and bright quality.Fuels their jump packs and flamers
>>45506386In all honesty, I think the jump packs are a dumb idea. They should probably just be normal ones, if they have them at all. I mean, what sort of jumping do they need to do in a Hive anyways, shit's crowded, and they can just climb
>>45506358probably clash a lot more with the Arbites than they do the actual Regiment, since it IS supposed to be an off world regiment. When they get big or start fucking shit up in a major way, they probably wipe them mostly out for a while
>>45506442Thats why they need the packs, flying over the crowds is faster and more effective than wading through them.
>>45506442I honestly disagree. Why climb when you can rocket skip from roof top to roof top. It's not like they can rappel from a bird.The thought with the flamers and the jump packs being technicolor is that the "Neon" (we really, seriously, honestly need another name) is a good fuel source and in ridiculous abundance in the planet, if not in the greater Imperium. A little tech heresy never hurt nobody.
>>45506496Yeah, but these guy's are supposed to be Hivecombat masters. I'm sure they know a better way of circumventing/dispersing crowds than flying over them with neon fueled jet packs
>>45506541>Hong Kong Cyberpunk Helghast District B13 fanboyshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm9qvqzefds
>>45506512Okay, let's come up with an element name then, i propose the cantonese/chinese word for "light" and then we add something else at the end so it sounds sciency.
>>45506052Hua Yuan 1st Exterminator Regiment Only War StatblockHive world (3 points)+3 to any two of Agility, fellowship, and perceptionSkills: Common Lore (Imperium), Deceive, and Linguistics (Low Gothic)Accustomed to Crowds: Crowds do not count as difficult terrain, When running or charging Hive worlders take no penalty to agi tests to keep their feet.Hivebound: -10 Survival checks outside of artificial environments. Urban Violence: Start with one of the following talents; Heightened Senses (Hearing), Paranoia, or Unremarkable. Starting Wounds: start with -1 wound.Commander type: Maverick (2 points)Starting talents: Resitance (Fear)Regiment type Line Infantry (2)Characteristics: +3 Strength, –3 IntelligenceStarting Skills: AthleticsStarting Talents: Rapid ReloadStandard Kit: One M36 lasgun and four charge packs perTraining doctrine Close Quarters Battle (5)Starting Talent: Double Team or Combat MasterSpecial: Members of regiments that specialise in Close Quarters Battle gain an additional +10 bonus to all Ballistic Skill Tests made at Point-Blank Range.Favored Rare WeaponsBasic: MeltagunHeavy: Plasma CannonStandard Regimental KitOne field uniformOne set of poor weather gearOne 1 lascarbine (Main Weapon) with four charge packs and the Compact modificationOne knifeOne mono knifeOne Cerimonal Blade. (Good Quailty Sword)Two Frag GrenadesTwo Smoke GrenadesTwo Krak GrendadesOne suit of light carapace armorOne microbeadOne Respirator/Gas MaskOne rucksack or sling bagOne set of basic toolsOne mess kit and one water canteenOne blanket and one sleep bagOne rechargeable lamp packOne grooming kitOne set of cognomen tags or equivalent identificationOne primer or instructional handbookCombat sustenance rations, Two weeks’ supply
>>45506604>>45506512This is much better IMO. It would feel like they've lived in a mostly lawless Hive all their lives
>>45506475This is how this humble anon would have things, and I don't won't to argue bullshit before /archive rat/ is done combine, blessed is his name.The Arbites, Sisters of Battle, and Praetorians "own" the joint. They are there to either whitewash Hua Yuan or simply maintain Imperial presence, because the resources, Guard included, are too valuable to just scrub the planet clean and be done with it, part of the reason the splinter fleet survived partly when they were repulsed.It's the Exterminators who keep the continent sized city safe.How? 5 Companies. Each damn near the size of a regiment in their own right.Alpha and Bravo and Charlie (Place holder names) companies cycle deployments, each company switching for tithe slots every 25th Galactic Cycle, the one that just got back does what would amount to "R&R" in a guard unit. The unit on deck trains for deployment and is always in a state to relieve the tithed unit at any time during their deployment.Delta is the Enforcers, running around with Jade Fire Sect monks, and other Imperium forces to fight crime and take down Tyranid outbreaks where they occur with the On Deck Company.Echo is the rookie Company, no one stays here long unless they are going back for training or teaching or in the Penal Platoons.
>>45506639A jump pack and free running skills, either inherent or taught, would make them extremely mobile in a Hive and allow them to keep up with even Genestealers or the occasional Hormagaunt.
>>45506708I agree, but I feel like maybe 2 out of the 5 companies should be a part of the imperial tithe at a time. It seems a little overkill to have 4 stationed on the planet at all times. Is the regiment that big because the city itself expanded without check, so people just kept joining?Also, are the Arbites still recruits in training, or is that no longer canon
>>45506747Alright, but maybe I'm just bothered by the fact that its neon powered. I get that there's an overabundance x10 of the stuff, but that doesn't mean we need to shoehorn it into everything just for the sake of bright colors
>>45506791I agree, see>>45506625
>>45506791>>45506625Kaihonium?I took Cǎihóng (Rainbow I think) and corrupted it. Flammable, conductive, and gets you fucked up when you huff it (Very bad for your health, but local herbal medicine maintains that it's great for you). Is different colours depending on its density, the humidity, and pressure.How does this sound?
>>45506833Its not that its called neon, it just feels like they're there to make the guardsmen more colorful and flashy
>>455067702 out of five sounds great to me. The unit on leave only let's the subordinate units with the most war Trophies get actual leave. The rest train for the next deployment. So out of a pool of three units, two will be deployed.The Adeptus Arbites is the Adeptus Arbites, anon. "Delta" company works closely with them and "Echo" sends platoons of trainees and Penal Guardsmen to work with them.
>>45506885Consider these properties >>45506840It's great for these things. And so far we only have it in Jump packs and flamers. The Regiment doesn't have a lot of Holy Promethium on hand anon, but they make do.
>my writefaggotry made it on to the wiki>someone even gave it a titleSo this is what it feels like to shape history. I'm just joking, pls no bully
>>45506840Good idea, but replace it being a multicolored gas to the rainbows being an effect of its inhalation.Anyone high on this gas will constantly talk about rainbows. "I see the rainbows", "it tastes like rainbows", "can you see the rainbows?", "it looks like rainbows">Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta and Echo companiesMaybe call them after the five elements? Fire, Water, Air, Earth and Metal, in Chinese to prevent Tau references.
>>45506934Air is not a chinese element. It is wood.
>>45506934Personally I feel it must be multicolored. Imagine how surreal the wastes are. I bet it comes in colors you can't even see. Although I think the rainbow thing is already canon.As for the unit designation: HONG KONG ANON HELPElements might be cool, but what about animals? Turtle, Mantis Shrimp, Peacock, Tiger, Carp.Carp for rookie and Penal companyTurtle for PDF and Enforcer company Mantis Shrimp, Peacock, and Tiger for Tithe companies. Eh? Eh?
>>45506933Thank you based writefag
>>45506996>>45506934>Wood company"Alright, men. We've got all of the companies mobilized and additional armored units are being attached to each. Tsu's got Fire and Wuan is covering Earth.""Yeah, but who's got Wood?"
>>45507062Cue muffled snickering.
>>45506625How about Permethrium or Permethrite? Based on permethrin, a flammable power used by exterminators or in topical solutions as a contact antiparasitic.
>>45507062"Dunno sir, but Metal company's scouts have arrived"
>>45507044Personally I like animals more than elements. It's as more of a military feel to it.Probably because of mgs
>>45507091Sounds too close to Promethium.>>45506840This can't be confused.Chinese Knockoff Promethium
>>45507120Is this not the MGS: Phantom Rave Police regiment?I'm really fond of the names that I provide, although Turtle may need to be expanded to Snapping Turtle or Dragon Turtle
Was it ever explained where does this gas come from? I can see it being a byproduct of a fungus that was described earlier.
>>45507175The fungus was a byproduct of the gas, you got it backwardsI think it's just the atmosphere
>>45507199*atmosphere distilled and extracted into a more purer form
>>45507044This sounds really good, plus it won't cause confusion with the Tau>>45506934Multicolored gas? that's very trippy, good idea>>45507175I thought it was just "in the atmosphere" but if you can get more creative with it then go ahead.
>>45507199>>45507175The fungus is side effect of the Tyranids, but changed by the gas in ways that has the Xenobiologists scratching their heads.One of the three of four major combat stims the Exterminators aren't fond on admitting that they take.
>>45507199>>45507216So basically the gas isn't gas at all, but spores.>meanwhile at the Ordo Xenos>>45507250Maybe the gas is the result of something else, also of xenos origin. I for one blame the Thyrrus on this, it sounds like them.
>>45507286YOU CRACKED THE CODE ANON!So Kaihonium exits BECAUSE ancient Thyrrus put on the Rave war of the Millennium and fucking ruined the entire planet. Kaihonium is gaseous spore colonies that react to different gases to create different colors, and exists in all levels of the planet. Otherwise it's properties are unchanged from>>45506934>>45506840Sound good to everyone? If it's too snow flake let's just have it be an element
>>45506351I'll go back and make some revisions on this the more I dig. There's 1400 posts I have to look through.I'm going to try the guard themselves now, so, who knows how long that will take
>>45507363honestly, i'd rather have it be an element that's just there in the moon's atmosphere because planets are fucking weird, but i'm sure we can incorporate the fungus in some other way into the fluff
>>45507363Could be both. I feel like if the discovered it was xeno spores, the Inperium would torch the planet
>>45507396>>45507392Truth. Although the secret origins of the planet being a Thyrrus world getting PARTY HARDed into a radioactive toxic hell scape is awesome.Kaihonium is an element. Nothing more nothing less. Can we call this particular facet of Hua Yuan finished?
>>45507466yeah, it's simple enough.what's next?
>>45507547Size of the regiment. If the hive is roughly 1/2 trillion strong, and only firstborn can join, I'm saying a lot
>>45507547Planetary fauna and flora? Including beasts that, much like the ubiquitous fungus, may or may not be of Tyranid origin, either from the Fleet that led to the formation of the Exterminators (was it ever specified?) or a Forgotten Fleet from before that.
>>45507583First born are recruited into the PDF for mandatory service of 10 years, The actual regiment itself recruits from volunteers or those who excel in the PDF.
>>45507585Yes. Mining ship got too close to unknown splinter fleet, fleet splintered even further and mad chase.Some Nids got onto the ship and when it crashed became the basis for the first Genestealer cult. Splinter of the printer finally caught up but the planet was so shitty and barren that the Nids had trouble keeping a foot hold.What would become our favorite Opr8tr bug hunters blew them the fuck out, although some Nids remain even to this day, and shortly after the Praetorians came and took credit. After that the Arbites came to instil Imperial Law, which the Enforcers of the Snapping Turtles more or less enforce, and the Ecclesiarchy came with Sisters of Battle to put an end to the Jade Flame Sect Nonesense.
>>45507585Lost of mutated/twisted variations on rats, cats and dogs. I'm assuming the native animal life is either derivative from life brought on the ship, or small and in its infantile stages
>>45507639>>45507583There is no PDF. Try and keep up.Snapping Turtle Company fills this role.Remember each company is about the size of a regular guard unit. But Hua Yuan is big as shit so it doesn't really show.>>45507585Outside of the city there is none
>>45507583Assuming Only Child law exists in HY as it did in IRL China, every single male is, was or will be an Exterminator.That's a lot of dudes. It isn't a Hive World anymore, it's Cadia.
>>45507679This is inside the city, as well as whatever vaguely Tyranid creatures this Urban Catachan may have birthed. >Hua Yuan Dragons. Literally Catachan Devils but with different dietary preferences, i.e. it doesn't HAVE to be organic
>>45507583remember that most people live in the lower levels, where nobody keeps records and nobody has an up to date map of everything down there
>>45507708This isn't the first time that comparison has been drawn, they are essentially in a stalemate with chaos worshiping Genestealer halfbreeds and their pure strain higher ups
>>45507708It doesn't. Remember the duality of the second born going to gangs or something? With the fatality rate of tithed companies maybe the overpopulation is necessary to meet tithe quotas
>>45507708 hereAnd I'm not counting the females that might want to join, perhaps to escape the ganger life or the Triad equivalents.>>45507808>the fatality rate of tithed companiesWith all the dudes we seem to have, to get to that those companies would need to have more disregard for their own lives than the Death Korps of Krieg.
>>45507715>Hua Yuan wolf - stray hounds brought on the initial ship that were used in the mines below the living quarters as canaries, checking to see if shafts were poisonous. Now that the more are abandoned, they claim this as their natural habitat, and have impeccable burrowing and scavenging techniques, as well as a ferocity and hate for humans. Taste good too
>>45507848Well, Tyranids are exactly known for being easy to kill and leaving low causality rates
Did anybody say cyberpunk (corrupt) police?These guys are two examples of the private police used by the higher ups in the hive, used to protect their interests and to get even more power.The colors in their armor represent the family that uses them.Bonus: albums for that Upper Hive vibehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skX73x48SDEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLpou8dGf3Y
>>45508086Oh and i forgot to add, they're using weapons made in hua yuan aswell.
>>45508086I think that could work. The hive is a fuck normous place and all the nobles are vying for control, so it makes sense for them to have their own private security companies
>>45508086They need more Imperial symbolism (everything does, even if it's stylized).But it works. This place really is Necromunda.HOWEVER! READ THE OP! We NEED to focus on the Regiment. If something needs to be fluffed to make them work then we can go off the beaten path like with Kaihonium aka "Neon" or 氖.The additional world building is great but we need to stay focused and finish the Regiment
>>45508086I know the other anon said to stay on topic, and we are, but I'm just letting you know I'll try drawing those myself when I get a chance
>>45508206Sooo...What needs fluffing guise?
In case it comes up, some enemy gangs.>Boss Hog's Boyz AKA Deff Squigz>The ork triad led by the mysterious Boss Hog, the Deff Squigz are a well organized and well paid band of Ork Freebootas and Flash Gitz that specialize in mercenary work. Legend maintains that Boss Hog used to be a Scraploota before he was given the boot after he tired to gain control of the Titan himself. >The Ketsueki Ronin >A vicious biker gang dedicated to Khorne, who they refer to Boss Brass or the Red Sensei, these pompadour'd headhunters place honour above all else, to the point where if they take the head of an unworthy foe, or use cowardly tactics to defeat the enemy they are honor bound to take their own lives for Boss Khorne to save face. Headed by the hideously scarred Kenji Zugaikotsu, also known as Kenny Skullface on account of half his face missing after a fateful encounter with an Exterminator's shotgun. The experience apparently made the greaser hear the voice of the Red Sensei himself.
>>45508756>The Pale Lotus Sect>An odd gang even in Hua Yuan, these cultists are based in the former sanitation ducts of the original ship, they have been around since the Jade Flame Sect, however instead of borderline heretical psudeo-Imperial teachings the Pale Lotus Sect is highly heretical, worshiping the Heavenly Father and actively spreading his blessings amongst the Hive. These Nurgalite Monks are surprisingly clean for a chaos cult of their leanings, and are in fact exceedingly tidy and well kept, and often patrol the ship and lower hive seemingly attempting to maintain sanitation and cleanliness. It is not corporeal filth that the Pale Lotus Sect embraces but the degradation of the soul, preaching that should embrace their mortal suffering and shun everything save the embrace of the Heavenly Father. Adherents lives slowly begin to rot away around them and their surroundings fall into greater squallor as they wallow in their own self pity, but also attempt to upkeep their own image to appease the Heavenly Father as the Heavenly Consort does.>A strangely hypocritical monastic order the sect conflicts the zealous Jade Flame Sect and the Ecclesiarchal Forces, while only the later is aware of the true meaning behind their heretical innuendo.
>>45508892>They are also into animal husbandry. Breeding plague rats and other foul beasts to hawk their meat or let them loose in the upper levels to plague heretics with the Heavenly Father's corporeal gifts, which only exist to show the heretic how meaningless the body is
>>45506934Lets move away from the chinese references for a bit.It's a mining colony, the names should reflect that. We can do mining references, colours or something historical from before they hit the planet. They could be the remnants of the security teams or named after certain officers on the original ship.
>>45508906>>45508892>>45508756>It goes by many names, this malignant tumor...>The hidden musical movement seeping through ganger culture is constantly innovated upon by the heretical band the Sex Fangs, performing in hidden hab blocks and caverns>The gang face of this foul taint comes in the form of the Heavenly Viper Triad, one of the biggest manufacturers and distributors of drugs and tech heresy in the hive, every one of their products, be it slave or intoxicant, vehicle or weapon is finely tooled and exquisitely crafted. >The religious center, and possibly the most important facet of the faction beyond their alien root, is the Moon Scale Sect. A Genestealer Cult dedicated to the Prince of Excess, Slannesh. Known to the Hua Yuan heretics by many names, the Sex Fangs reference it in their songs as the Top Hot Mama, while Triad revere's the God as Boss Perfect, and the sect calls the God of Pleasure by its true name, but often refers to it as the Beautifully Divine Empress. >Beyond the many masks the Cult wears, and many puppets they manipulate the Brood calls itself the True Predator Dynasty, seeing their Tyranid progenitors and by extension themselves, and often their bestmen and abhuman cohort, as the most perfect form.
>>45509166>The more humanoid members of the Cult believe that such ever evolving perfection of form and skill in the art of subterfuge and killing and the ultimate gluttony that the returned Hive Fleet will relish in as pleasing to Slannesh, and seek to spread their influence throughout the hive.>The Tyranids themselves care not what their half breeds progeny and their mutant sycophants believe, and make no move to discourage it as it effectively spreads the influence of the Brood. >Whether the Exterminators know it or not, it is this Cult of both their preferred enemy and the Prince of Desire that is their true enemy, for in the inverted Hive Spires, deep in the crust of the planet below the flashing lights and dark expanse of Hua Yuan, lie shallow spawning pools. The Broodlord acts as Hive Tyrant, stalking these hallowed grounds, directing what biomass it has in the most strategically useful ways possible, always making sure that lost biomass is replenished with a tithe from the burgeoning population.>The Patriarch of the Dynasty Brood often wonders why the Broodlord does not simply reap large swathes of the population and begin an invasion once more but the Broodlord shrewdly hides it's intent, patiently waiting for the time to make its final move...
>>45509062Look here dude, >>45507044 >>45507163>>45507120>>45507230>>45507691We animal names now. It's honestly better for iconography and flavor. Of course at the platoon and squad level (each the size of companies and platoons themselves often) you can have more local names, after notable figures, Hab Blocks, and mines>>45509238>>45509166I reckon there's a shadow in the Warp that prevents these guys from summoning Daemons? Or maybe Hua Yuanese just don't like sorcery and psykers anyway
>>45507044Oh hey, we be talking animals?I'd skip the mantis shrimp, because we eat them in Canto cuisine. (at least the species native to Canto waters are)And our nickname for that type of mantis shrimp is 攋尿蝦 (pissing shrimp), so to us these buggers are anything but intimidating
>>45507708One, HK doesn't follow the 1 child policy in the first place.And second, China already dropped the policy recently.
>>45509507Tigers, Horses, Turtles, Ox and Hogsare pretty solid choices.Snakes and Monkeys maybe, if you want something to symbolize being cunning and flexible.Lions maybe, because lion-dancing is seen as a way to shoo away bad luck and ghosts.http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/Chinese_Customs/animals_symbolism.htmThis can be a good place to start
>>45506052You guys realize that 'Hua Yuan' essentially means Flower Garden, right?
>>45510059It's a tight garden.A tight urban garden.
>>45510059Yeah, it's part of the ironyIf I'm not mistaken Hong Kong gets its name from how it used to be part of the incense exporting trade
>>45510059Yes, that was intentional
>>45509633If you want a more local flavour, the Chinese White Dolphin is the most famous protected fauna in HK, but they're almost gone from local waters because of tourism disturbing their territories.We also have barking deers, pangolins, hogs, oxes, monkeys, migratory birds such as herons and the blackfaced spoonbill, bats and butterflies.There was quite a kerfuffle in the past when a small alligator was found somewhere in New Territories though, it's currently living in captivity.
>>45508892Pale Lotus Sect would be 淡蓮派(technically 淺色 is also used to describe pal colours, but it doesn't sound right)True Predator Dynasty is difficult to translate in a way that doesn't sound awkward as fuck, I'm afraid
And there's something I've thought of to make the flag more Chinese without slapping the Bauhinia symbol of HK on it amd calling it a day.Paper-cutting artwork, m8!Maybe we can render the 2-headed hawk in this kind of style.I've also doodled an alternative logo for the Jade Fire Sect, just gonna dig it up later
>>45510604Will be waiting.
>>45510445What would be a better name?
>>45510861It's a pretty rough idea, I could touch it up when I get back to my laptop.By the way, by Moon Scale do you guys mean measuring scales or reptile scales?They use different characters in Chinese, so I have to ask
>>45506442I agree. In fact, I'd say jump packs as a whole are a dumb idea. The whole point of this is that its a nightmarishly packed hive, like Kowloon on steroids. Its layer upon layer upon layer of houses, industrial components and filtration pipes, all built on top of one another. Any spare space with breathable air would be quickly filled up again with new dwellings. Roofs become floors which are in turn roofs. Remember, its a downward digging hive not an upward pointing one. There's no daylight, wasted open space is the preserve of the ultra mega rich or the result of a hivequake or catastrophic fire causing mass destruction (and will get filled in soon because holy shit, free space). Why would miners ever build a working jet pack? Why would they ever develop it in the first place? Why would they ever spend time and resources building them, training with them enough to use them effectively and then using them in the tiny, tiny areas where they'd be effective? Why would they even trust locally made packs, given what we know of the local stuff that its terrible knockoffs that aren't as effective as off-world imports?And "neon" fuel? That's dumb and convuluted even by 40k pseudoscience. Neon's a completely unreactive noble gas, for one thing, you need nuclear fusion to break it up. If people are dead set on having multicoloured flamers, you just add it to the existing knockoff tech mythology and append it to the "lightshow" bit.
>>45511243>Flamers and other promethium based weapons were somewhat rare amongst Hua Yuan armed forces until the ongoing campaigns against the Tyranid, as the risk of fires spreading uncontrollably through the densely packed domiciles and industrial facilities was thought too great a risk. Nevertheless, locally produced arms based on per-existing off-world designs have been identified by Mechanicus adepts. As with lasguns, imperfections and shoddy manufacturing techniques lead to significant variations in power and efficiency. In addition, the use of adulterated fuel sources such as promethium run-off and sump pool waste has led to some instances of weapons firing unnatural coloured flames. Careful analysis by tech-adepts have shown that the use of such fuels exposes the flamer operator to much higher-than-normal levels of carcinogenic pollutants, but this has not stopped certain units from continuing their use out of established tradition.
>>45511244Good, then 月鱗 still worksAn alternative to True Predator?I'm kinda stumped myself, the generic term for predator would be something like 捕食者
>>45511238It already looks METAL.Loving it.
>>45511243If you like we could fluff the hive world as being full of scaffoldings and whatnot because of all the construction going on.Even if jetpacks aren't being use, fighters can still navigate the place dynamically with a combination of parkour, scaffolding-climbing and grappling hooks.A bit like Spiderman, in a way.>>45511315Heh thanks, though I'll still need to clean up and colour it first.Man my handwriting is terrible
>>45507044This drives me up the wall. NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE CHINESE. What we're looking at is a specific slice of 40k culture inspired by a specific time and place in ours, that is, Kowloon cyberpunk. It's not "everything Chinese we can think of in one place". Think about existing regiments, you can have WWI Franco-Germans with Krieg, but also WWII Germans with Steel Leigon. You can have Tzarist Russian Vorstroyans and snowbound Commie meatgrinder Russians with Valhallans. These guys don't have to hit you over the head with China in everything. Some of it can be adapted to 40k as well. Animals, for instance. There's fuck all reason for many identifiably terran animals to be about in a jam packed hive, and therefore there's very little reason for them to have the same cultural connotations as our China. Spitballing, you could have cockroaches looked at with a mix of admiration and disgust (hardy survivors, but competitors for food). Hive insects for their poisonous bites and stings but communal nature. Rats (which as we know are very common in 40k and tend to mutate) as scavengers and pathfinders. Flukes and leeches among the sewer dwelling/repairing clans, maybe leading to stories of massive ones living in the sump channels. Centipededes maybe like others mentioned, as a style of fighting (single burning bite, thousand fists running)The two-headed eagle is going to somewhere, obviously. Its the Imperial symbol, its going to be stamped one as many things as skulls. It may not mean very much to people who may never have even seen a bird in their entire lives. When they get off world they might be a bit surprised that all birds don't have two heads. Nobles could have it everywhere, maybe they keep caged birds as objects d'art as part of their conspicuous consumption. It ties into the imposition of Imperial cultural norms from above, the distance between the top end of society and the bottom, and it lets nobles wear bitching Eagle dresses.
>>45511394In that case we can keep the imperial eagle I suppose, the contrast between it and the rest of the imagery might symbolize the dissonance between HY and the rest of the Imperium.
>>45511370Grappling hooks, forced entry via exploding doors and floors, zip lines, that makes more sense. I can see gangers and cultists using actual parkour in the slightly more open spaces. If you've got the luxury of being able to blast your way through to get at recidivists and cultists and you don't particularly care about the collateral damage you'll do that. If you've got to be able to run and not be caught with explosives that's better.>>45511417Exactly my point. It even fits with the flag - there's your world with the eagle looming above it. You can show how intergrated a population cluster is to the wider Imperium by how far the Aquilla symbol spreads. Sisters have it, other IG forces have it, the nobles like to have it to show they're in charge, Hong Three-teeth, duct-welder 6th class knows its the symbol of the Emperor and its on some of his best tools, Jin "Face Eater" Hao, (lowhive pit-fighter champion) associates it with tophive wealth and Scabs the Scav at the very bottom isn't even aware there was a change of management at some point.
>>45511394>The two-headed eagle is going to somewhere, obviously.>It may not mean very much to people who may never have even seen a bird in their entire lives.I'd suggest just the opposite.The entire hive is mostly self governed by the various gang power structures, each implicitly running it's own section of the Hive. Playing off the inspiration from Kowloon, I'd argue that the Aquila would hold a sort of infamous reputation, being the symbol of an outside police force and noble caste that only shows up to bring down a never-lasting jackboot.The people on Hab Level 233 might not know *what* a bird exactly is, but they know that the one on Imperial banners is a symbol of heavy-handed rule that seeks to impose control where none is really needed.
>>45511506I really don't think we disagree, actually, I just didn't explain myself well enough because I ran out of space. Culturally the Aquilla has meaning from its associations with the Imperium and wealth, but given that most people don't even know what birds are its an alien, invasive symbol. You think about how medieval people interpreted garbled reports of foreign animals and the stories that developed from that. http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast77.htmhttp://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast244.htmIts not all negative, but it is a more than a bit alien. I've had some ideas for Sororitas at the forefront of the "cultural conversion" process, which gives a stronger association with the Aquilla itself, them a but I haven't had time to put pen to paper about it.
>>45511620>I really don't think we disagree, actuallyWe definitely don't. We just fleshed it out in different, non-contradictory directions.>I've had some ideas for Sororitas at the forefront of the "cultural conversion" process, which gives a stronger association with the Aquilla itself, them a but I haven't had time to put pen to paper about it.I've been toying with that idea myself. I might actually take a crack at it shortly, if only to provide a bit of an outline for others to break down and throw out/improve upon.
>>45511394I absolutely agree, I'd also like to through out that not everything needs to be neon
What colour should the fist be in?
>>45511676I'm actually the Ricci anon from the previous threads, my thought following up on it was that there was a long term conversion plan that was sped up once the 'nids hit. Ricco comes with a contingent of sisters "to guard him" but it as much to establish a foothold as anything. The initial compromise he comes to with native beliefs irritates, even angers the most puritan members of the sector's Ecclesiarchical conclave who want results immediately, but is really part of the long game. The Orders Famulous begin to intergrate the noble houses and arrange marriages between them and with suitable offworlders (partly just to get a bit of genetic diversity in there, partly with an eye to alliances a few generations down the road). More militant orders guard officially appointed clerics as they begin moving downhive to proselytise, co-opt old sites of worship and establish new churches. These become the centres from which renegade pyskers are picked up and cult activity is monitored and purged, but they're also likely new scholams and medical centres. Its an authoritative intrusion, and very unwelcome if you're into banned practices, but it also brings with it advantages to those who integrate.Once 'nids hit, you've got Sisters and fanatics going in with flamers in support of conventional forces. The new churches are often built to Imperial standards so they act as fortresses, firebases and refugee camps. The distance between them and the native population means that many of them have less qualms about purging with lots of fire and flame - its terrible that innocents suffer the fires and suffocation , but the Xeno are purged and they're with the Emperor now. It also means that there's suddenly a lot more room when the smoke clears. That in turn leads to the nobility sending alms, hospitallers setting up camp and new Priories being built to tend to the survivors.
>>45509238>>45509166>>45508892>>45508756Yo, I might come up with some smaller gangs, just for fun. Looks like you got all the big ones covered well
>>45511800Sweet look.Dunno. Red?
>>45511826That seems pretty reasonable and fits quite good, so i fully support this idea.By the way, the stormtrooper linework is coming up nicely.
>>45511826Put crudely, the Tyranids and the aftermath represent a golden opportunity to expand the Imperium's reach deeper into the hive ahead of schedule. It might lead to "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" type conspiracies that the Imperium planted the first genestealers precisely to kickstart such a push. This could be a good plot hook for Dark Heresy players - is it true? How did the 'nids get down their in the first place when there's no biomass apart from the people? Could there be a Magus among the spaceport operators, or is there an Istvaanian abroad? Is it even relevant when the rioting is getting out of hand? Are the local authorities downplaying the Tyranid problem? If so, why? Is it incompetence? Do they fear mass purges? Is someone hiding something?Had some ideas for Black Crusade too, but they're not so formed. It basically revolves around the local cults becoming appalled that their faith has been gobbled up by Tyranid cultists and waging shadow war to avoid the Imperium's gaze and purge the unbelievers before any more of the flock gets converted.
>>45511861>>45511871Bright red it is
>>45511826Hmm. My approach would start out similarly, but would be significantly less effective than your own.There's a clear divide between the general populace and the ruling class, so while I can see plenty of of Orders Famulous involvement at their level, I'd imagine that implanted Orders Sabine members are the most numerous Imperial servants within the general populace. With the simultaneously unified and fragmented identity of the local population, setting up Fortress Monasteries to better co-opt local customs may be easy following the burning of the Tyranids, but many are going to avoid them due to their clash with local culture, only taking advantage of them when absolutely necessary (for example, a site set up by the Orders Hospitaller may see some more visitors than a brand new site of worship that has twisted and co-opted the native beliefs.) To that end, I'd imagine that after a few initial construction projects, the Imperials would work on conversion before spending more time and money on building facilities that will remain unused. Having some Sisters behind the scenes, helping to encourage people to use the new Imperial facilities is both (in my opinion,) a fantastic plot hook, but also allows for the same kind of conflict you describe in>>45511893
>>45511938That's badass, i love it.
>>45506747A jump pack makes little sense in an inherently claustrophobic environment. A general aptitude for moving like a half-monkey >>45506604makes a lot more sense for special squads.Certainly shouldn't be the standard though, it's the Gung-ho Specialists that do this.
And a few tips on Chinese character names>Unlike Western names, the surname or family name comes before the given name>Surnames are usually in 1 character (with some exceptions such as 司徒 or 歐陽), given names can be in 1 or 2 characters, the latter being more common>given names tend to have some sort of meaning to it, other times it might not have specific meanings but are linked to Feng Shui in terms of number of strokes and "elements"(for instance, my given name has no special meaning, but it's "water"-heavy because I'm born in summer and is considered "fire"-heavy therefore I need water to balance it out)>Wikipedia has a list of common surnames which you can reference off of>In some families, naming a child follows a pattern dictated by traditions, so siblings of the same generation can have similar given names
>>45511938Fukkin hell, I mistyped the name.Also font change
>>45511938>>45512013JADE FIRE STYLE!Punches hole through a Tyranid Warrior
>>45509507Those animals were chosen by iconography alone. Image neon clad Exterminators with "Tiger" pelts, or rainbow carapace, or peacock fan standards.It's about style and what the represent. The Peacock Mantis Shrimp bit can be a little tongue in cheek.>>45511394Yout claim the Regiment doesn't have to be so blatantly Chinese, then you cite THE most stereotyped units in the entire lore as exemplars of nuanced subtlety.Why they hell would they name a unit, a company even, after food? After something that reminds them of the shitty parts of home? Sure a Hua Yuan hiver could have a healthy respect for the rat, but the guard is named after beasts of legend, creatures you could look up to. When you look at the Tithe companies they are proud and regal creatures, a honourable representation of their homeworld.You guys need to control your autism and remember what kind of cyberpunk they where inspired by, and what setting it's in.This is Rouge Trader tier guys, relax and stay focused. Everyone else likes the animal idea, a wall of angry text ain't gonna change that
>>45512078I do agree that not everything needs to be drawn from Chinese inspiration.
>>45511943I'd forgotten the name of the missionary order, thanks for that Orders Sabine. My thought was that its the Famulous who are the real masterminds behind it all and are quietly pushing the slow and steady conversion process from the top, but are relatively few in number. Its Sisters Sabine and Hospitaller who are doing the work on the ground alongside normal Eclesiarchy priests. These priests aren't necessarily in on the plan and may in fact be from the more offworld puritan "burn 'em all and let the Emperor sort them out" factions, which leads to different perceptions of the Imperium in different parts of the hive. I suspect the Sisters Sabine have a lot more success co-opting old sites and fusing the old beliefs to the new ones as per the Ricco model, while the Battle Sisters are on the ball about the logistics and placement of new sites. Meanwhile offworld missionaries are going anywhere they please with little oversight once they get down far enough. They don't even have to be Redemptionists or anything, they could be Praetorian confessors going down into the underhive with hearts full of love and gentle contempt to bring Anglican form Imperial theology to the benighted savages far from the Emperor's light. Mixed success all over.The new construction process might actually be harmful to the original plan. You've got nobles who want to splash the cash and show off how faithful they are by building new cathedrals and monasteries in the disaster areas (something medieval and early modern European nobles did a fair bit) in defiance of practicalities or existing plans. The Famulous can't tell them NOT to build new expressions of the faith, can they? This in turn leads to stretching existing Eclesiarchical and Sororitas resources on the ground further, and probably means more offworlders need to be imported (increasing tension) or the new structures are abandoned relatively quickly and become just fancy habitations (again, increasing tension).
>>45511999>>45511295I'm not married to the name. What would imply supremacy and animal savagery?
>>45512145惡噬天下?Evil+Devour the world?
>>45511853WHOA hold your horses.The only big player there is the Dynasty. The other chaos gangs are pretty small time.I figured the big gangs, at least the most successful, would be where the more scummy culture of the Exterminators comes from. I just threw those out there.Feel free to make any sects and gangs, especially those free of chaos tainting their rep.
>>45512185I'd drop the Evil part. They wouldn't see themselves as evil, just too perfect but not perfect enough.Beautiful Devourer Dynasty?If that doesn't work grammatically what about Devourer Dynasty?>>45512135The names could have been designated to them by the Praetorians to make their tithes look and sound more exotic.
>>45512275Dynasty will be 王朝Beautiful devourer sounds weird because it'll sound more like "devourer of beauty"噬者王朝 maybe?>>45512078I could see them using those animals as symbols, relics from an old era.Tigers barely exist in China, but they're still seen as a symbol of strength. Same idea.
Linework done.If the drawfag is around and sees any mistake i made i will gladly correct such error.
>>45512368The blatant "penis" is still hilariousFor a more subtle way just put the letter JJJ is slang for penis in HK
>>45512142> My thought was that its the Famulous who are the real masterminds behind it all and are quietly pushing the slow and steady conversion process from the top, but are relatively few in number.I'd pull back a layer on that - Famulous planning would likely be controlled by a Missionaria Galaxia overseer, probably working offworld and co-ordinating Famulous and Sabine operations. The layers upon layers of bureaucracy and inefficiency that brings helps to give good reason for the internal conflict between the implanted Sisters, and the imported priests.>These priests aren't necessarily in on the planI'd go one step farther, and perhaps integrate this into your idea with overzealous nobles. Perhaps these nobles, wishing to throw around their money and look especially pious help to finance missions deep into the lower levels of the hive, sending all manner of "missionaries" off to preach the faith, leaving a number of rogue agents essentially running around in the name of the emperor, with, as you said, mixed success.>new structures are abandoned relatively quickly and become just fancy habitationsWith the disconnect between the upper classes and the lower classes, and with the connections to the constant reuse of the Kowloon Walled City, I'd say this is the best option.Large Fortress Monasteries with scaffolding homes plastered all over them, and tiny groups of Sisters Hospitallier running care centers in a disused corner to the best of their ability sounds like a very apt image for this setting.
>>45512395Something like this?I can switch it fast
>>45512399For more connections to actual HK, we have (I think) the highest levels of inequality and the gov's been yelled at a lot for wasting money on "white elephant" projects (projects made for the sake of showing off or other fancy reasons, but never actually go anywhere) rather than spending it on things citizen actually want.Hell, we have a so-called "science park" for institutions to do R&D in, but at this point it's more of a real estate project and the playground of estate tycoons.It checks out.>>45512437Heh, yeah.Not quite as blatant but still cheeky.丁丁 is another way of implying it.
>>45512459I mean highest level of inequality in Asia, goddammit
>>45512366Yeah, that works. With the whole Animal Company thing, that was my thought exactly. And it can be subtle, too. Like the Tiger Company guys can have tiger stripped camo, Peacock Company can paint little eye patterns on their Trophies. Mantis Shrimp Company guys will bash yer fooken head in if you make fun of their name.
>>45512366Yeah, but you can go find at Tigers relatively easily in zoos or in pictures, see bones, look at art made by older generations that look like photos. This hive has potentially been here longer than recorded human history even if it was settled during the post-heresy. China has/had Tigers, most of this place may not have even seen cats in thousands of years. Its cultural norms will be completely different even if you assume it was baseline earth when it began.>The names could have been designated to them by the Praetorians to make their tithes look and sound more exotic.That makes me smile though, because you can imagine the grunts being utterly confused when Praetorians (or maybe just administratum scribes with a big list of standard cognomen) start naming things.>"The fuck is a Lion?">"I didn't know either, so I asked the boss. Apparently its a large predator on many worlds. A lazy pack animal with big hair. Females tend to do the hunting">"Like ash wasps you mean? They've got those big red fringes and the drones are fucking useless...">"I guess? The way I was told they're more like really big rats with fangs.">"We've got those though. Ask Big Tan, he used to live by a sump hole and his dad used to hunt the bastards for pelts. Didn't look nothing like... whatever this is."
>>45506708>Echo is the rookie Company, no one stays here long unless they are going back for training or teaching or in the Penal Platoons.writefaggotry idea: all the other companies get called off to fight a massive incursion of [enemy] off planet. Echo is left behind but they figure it's safe since there were no bugsightings for a long time. Suddenly, nids show up and a group of rookies and criminals need to fight them off.
>STAY FOCUSED ADDITIONkek.So numbers needs resolving. Unit origins needs to be clarified. Where they get tithed to usually. Important figures and leadership.Notable war Trophies.Notable engagements
>>45512559>Where they get tithed to usually. >Important figures and leadership.>Notable war Trophies.>Notable engagementsThese come first. Now that I'm back, I'll get back to combing the previous threads and compile what we have
>>45512545Echo innit?回音 would be its translationShould I give example Chinese lines and pronounciations in Cantonese or Mandarin? My native language is Cantonese and frankly I suck in Mandarin but seems like we're basing things on Mandarin?
>>45512545I still think we probably need to abandon the idea of their being just one regiment that's been there forever and doesn't leave. The Imperium wants men for the grinder, Souls for the Throne and gold for the High Lords. If the mines aren't producing enough, there's going to be a tithe shortfall that has to be made up in other ways. If its as ludicrously overcrowded as we've made it out to be, there's going to be a push to get soldiers offworld ASAP. If nothing else it alleviates population pressure, which is a huge concern even in normal hives. There's no shame in being a planet that just pumps out guard units. Catachan's the same way.Someone in the previous threads suggested the Exterminators could be what a standard issue regiment that's had to be retasked to defend the homeworld. If its very large, elements of it could be rotated out to other battlezones, but its just as likely that there are other Regiments that are similar but have been away from home for a long time. We could use the alternate colour scheme with the tan fatigues as one. The other regiments could be a bit more integrated into the Imperium, and there could even be some friction between the ones that were allowed to "stay behind" with their families and those who are more collaborative and supposedly abandoning their roots.Having more than one regiment helps a lot with these questions too >>45512591
>>45512536>The Praetorian paced through the company, damn near the size of a regiment, observing the garish and ghastly guardsmen >He turns to his Ogryn footman, the glittering lights of the hive dancing across his dark skin, slicked with sweatI say, Umbubu, how many Tyranids did these chaps slay?>The Ogryn repeats the number, committed to memoryDey kill eight thousand, sah!>The jolly Praetorian commander turns to the Hua Yuan Commander, a Grizzled fellow adorned with a Biovore hide coat lined with purity seals, and a warrior talon for an officer's sabre>He snaps to attention as the Praetorian addresses himAnd with nary a loss of Imperial infrastructure! A rare occasion as I understand, but bloody well done old boy. You fought as viciously as Demarexian Bog Tigers, and with twice the cunning! Umbubu be a good chap and hand me the writ?>The ogryn salutesYes, sah.>And hands him the Imperial Writ>The Praetorian regards the writ and the company, a smile parting his muttonchop'd faceI have just the Designation for you lads. From henceforth you shall be known as Tiger Company!>He signs the writ, and a servitor embosses it with his seal, and the unit sounds their thunderous approval
>>45512595Nah, translate to the one you're most confortable with. I doubt any of us would notice unless pointed out.You're still doing the Emperor's work anon
>>45512765I have a healthy amount of love for this.
>>45512683Carp Company is a training company and a correctional unit.You go there for a while to train, and only go back if you are good enough to train or a fucking scumbag.Dragon Turtle Company is what acts as a PDF and the Enforcers work with the Arbites to protect and defend.Tiger, Peacock, and Mantis Shrimp are tithed, and two are deployed at a time, while the unit that gets rotated off trains and replenishes themselves. The platoon with the most War Trophies and lowest collateral damage gets to take "leave".Keep in mind that the sheer size of the population in Hua Yuan allows for companies the size of small regiments.
Thinking of doing an only war one shot with this regiment. What should I put them through?
>>45512683I think a healthy middle of the road option would be to make the Regiment be a very bloated one, that has a number of Companies that are frequently shuttled offworld for specialist operations within other units. A full combat company and a training company remains on planet, but otherwise units find themselves shipped offworld to supplement the capabilities of other units.
>>45512941To expand on this, perhaps the Munitorum can't justify creating multiple entire separate Regiments for what is such a specialized role, but understands the value of specialized assault troops like the Hua Yuan 1st, and so allows the less standard unit organization to remain in place.
>>45512862I get that, but even if its a million man regiment (which is maybe too big for a single regiment organization anyway - the entirety of the US armed forces is 1,301,300 people, with an additional 811,000 in reserve. Again, maybe too big) that's still a drop in the ocean compared to a hive population of billions crammed into a teeny tiny living space. I don't think we lose anything by having more than one regiment. It actually makes it make more sense given the facts of the setting and the established details of the world's massive overpopulation. Part of the Imperium's tithe is new regiments, and if the world's mines HAVE run out then men for the meat grinder are the only thing it can contribute.>>45512970I don't know if close urban assault fighters are that specialised, especially given how many hive and forgeworlds there are. There's more than one regiment of Attilans, and their entire thing is charging stuff on horseback with spears which is way more specialised. They're good tyranid fighters because there's a tyranid problem on their homeworld, there's bound to be... I don't know, Steel Legionnaires that are known for being expert Eldar fighters despite their homeworld's troubles.Still don't love the names either, hilarity aside >>45512765
>>45512970Unlikly, just cause they're good nid killers doesn't mean that skill set isn't flexible.
>>45513055Theoretically there doesn't have to be any sizable difference between the regiments. The wiki page can be change to just the Hua Yuan exterminators, if we decide to split the forces up
Because I'm going to drive myself nuts at some point looking at the broken grammar.Here, I fixed it.It also rhymes, because why the hell not.
>>45513113All hua yuan regiments are colloquially known as exterminators. Its just that the 1st Exterminatiors are the big guys on campus as it were. The famous guys
>>45513113Maybe.Has anyone got a recent IG codex to hand? I've read somewhere that the Administratum tends to standardise regiment sizes to a certain extent so they can calculate the logistics better. I seem to recall that 5,000 men was about standard and 10,000 was unusually large, with 100,000 men getting into ludicrous sizes but I can't check.
>>45513145Trad. Chinese alternative
>>45513220Flaganon, would it be possible to try and flip the wings of the Aquilla upside down so it looks like its encircling the skull flower?
>>45513244Could put a skull in the center of the flag
>>45513244I'm not the original flag anon, but a change that big would require a redrawing
>>45511394Holy shit, this. I've been here since thread 1 and we've gone from>Cyberpunk with HK flair and neonsto>Every thing vaguely related to neon stuck togetherto>Every conceivable Chinese thing stuck togetherand honestly the 1st one was the coolest. But I'm just one anon so if everyone wants Literally Hong Kong In Space then that's fine too.
>>45513185Skimmed through the wiki, and it implied that 100,000+ was pretty nonstandard size, I think
>>45513402Original OP here, you couldn't be more right, 1st iteration was cool af, But it's up the consensus, so I won't complain
>>45511981The pack makes excellent sense. In a claustrophobic overcrowded environment movement will be a bitch. The solutions is to fire over the heads of the crowds while screaming at them to hit the deck, then fly over them, repeating this procedure if the idiots stay standing then simply fly into them at head height to make an example of them.The nature of the hive construction also implies most structures aren't well constructed, the jetpack provides enough momentum to simply charge through incovenient walls, creating shortcuts.This gives them a a mobility advantage over the hive gangs and cultists. Parkouring in such an environment would be a skill shared by their opponents, their opponents don't have jetpacks.
>>45513244That's heresy, you don't mess with the Aquila.
>>45512765>>45512683>>45512559>>45512839>>45513055>>45513107>>45513402>>45513427>>45513403>>45511394Jesus fucking christ.Okay Anons. How do you propose it gets fixed?
>>45513514But there's no room to jump over people, and it would burn whoever is underneath them, and they're already equipped with small axes instead of entrenching tools for creating shortcuts
>>45513402>>45513427Dunno, aesthetically we still have cyberpunk guardsmen from a pretty cyberpunk world
>>45513402Least I could do is to refer to things that are rooted in HK culture, not just generic Chinese stuff.But then what you guys want is Hollywood HK with gangs/shooty cops/kung-fu anyways, so yeah.Funny how the most unique thing about us (East meets West, not just some generic Chinese city) gets thrown out of the window
>>45513555It wasn't really easy meets west, it was just kind of east
>>45513541If they're lying down they won't get burnt as badly. If there's enough room to parkour there's enough room for a jump pack, otherwise the guards are just shoving through the crowds at the same rate as their opponent. They need an edge.
>>45513613Ah, but the Britishness is in the details.I'm currently chillin' out in Britbongistan, and I can notice the similarities.
>>45513555We need to focu on the central theme.Is the main theme Hong Kong or cyberpunk?
>>45513644i'll say Cyberpunk, hong kong came later.
>>45513514>>45513620Dude just drop it.It's too much. Urban warfare via rappelling, parkour, and making their own way via axes and hammers is much more interesting.I used to be in love with the idea too. Now it just is too much and it's bringing the autists out of the woodwork.Drop it
>>45513644Seems like we're going for a mixture while trying to be its own thing.I can give some background info in how HK is actually like, but I understand it's not going to be a carbon copy.
>>45513555Every single 40k planet does that though. Vostroyans just look like WW1 Russia in space, but that's it. This planet's already fluffed enough that any vague references make it more closely related to your city than anything else in 40k.>>45513536I would personally just stop making every single thing as Chinese as possible (ie we had people trying to One Child Policy earlier, everything named after stereotypical Chinese culture, etc) and instead focus on the cyberpunk elements for a bit. It's nice when you refer to things indirectly. By which I mean that depicting them as Chinese in the art, added together with the British-style ruling class and the extremely mega-cramped hellhole, should evoke Kowloon on its own. You don't need to make it as clear as possible at every step that this is Chinese, that is Chinese, those are Chinese, and so is that. For example Armageddon/Steel Legion don't just go straight out and say "the Steel Legion eat sauerkraut and sausage and have a big beer fest once per year, also they've been in the trenches for almost exactly 4 years now and mustard gas sucks, they are run by a kaiser and there are dirty commies trying to ruin their hives as well as the orks.">>45513613I think that anon is the Hong Kong resident talking about his city m8
You guys fucking suck. Stop trying to spin new threads. Work with what you have. FINISH THIS. Then we can work on the world.Fuck.
>>45513677Speaking as a native Bonglander I'd be interested in it for its own sake. The Hong Kong thing seems to have come more from an expansion from Kowloon as a starting concept more than anything else. The grotesque overcrowding, even by Hive City standards, seems to have been there since the start
>>45512013The "I got your nose!" regiment?
>>45513717The most ironic thing is that we're not the most overcrowded. The title goes to Macau if we go by living space per personBut well yeah, it's mostly Kowloon since it's more "working-class" than HK Island, and the whole mystique surrounding the Kowloon Walled City, even though HK Island is developed earlier than Kowloon.
>>45513760Nah, I was trying to make a logo for the Jade Fire Sect.
>>45506933you are welcome fellow faggot
>>45513693Despite being a faggot, he has a point. Let's get shit set in stone
ALRIGHT, let's not invalidate all of the world building we have doneHow HK/Chinese are we making these guys, and same for CyberpunkIf anyone has any issues, bring them up, and we'll make a consensus
>>45513693I think part of the issue is that there have been people focusing upon it being a single regiment for the planet based on the homeworld. If they don't go off world there's no point detailing interaction between other factions. Changing it so that they are one regiment and that there are others out and around the galaxy solves some of these issues. You can even have them as the 1st Exterminators - they stayed, the conquered the first Home War against the Tyranids, they got moved on to other battlefields afterwards. Regiments tasked with 'nid hunting could then afterwards be the 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. Exterminator regiments.
>>45512595Well on earth Cantonese is the biggest language of Chinese expats and Hong Kong, and if that's who we're going with we may want to stick to that. Doesn't matter much either way though
>>45514362I'm just asking because the two languages are pretty different both in speaking and writing, and just in case I need to include the pronounciation as well.
>>45514164>>45514108>>45513899>>45513681>>455127655 Regiments. Three are Tithed and run around kicking shit in foreign hive worlds in the teeth, often times its their preferred enemy the Tyranids but they often fight pervasive enemies such as chaos or orcs.The 4th Exterminator Regiment acts the PDF. "Enforcers". Faggots REALLY want to push the Chinese thing? Those animal names are street slang. "Yo lee, the Mantis Shrimp just got back in, prep the Kai' Shrooms and the 'Nid Dust, they're gonna want a shipment."The 5th regiment is a reserve unit and a fucking mill.Street scum, worker class, and noble Firstborn come in, and Guardsmen come out. The skilled come back to the Ole 5th to train rookies or "Carp" (insert swimming up a waterfall idiom here)
Update time.Had to change the right hand.Camo and fatigues next.
>>45514480Sounds right and Good. We have the structure down now. Now we need solid history on THE UNIT ONLY, solid tactics, and solid relations
>>45514480I'm pretty sure there would be many more than five, but its a good enough place to start!
>>45514480>5 RegimentsThat seems a tad... low.We're talking about a Hive World whose key export is Guardsmen.For comparison, there are over a thousand Vostroyan Regiments.I'd say that a more reasonable number should be somewhere around 1200 regiments, giving a rough strength of 1.2 million Hua Yuan IG members at any given time, assuming each regiment is at full troop capacity.Of those, perhaps a 1/5 of their strength would be in armored assault units, 1/3 is regular infantry units, and the rest (around one half,) are Exterminator Regiments.
>>45514700Well, according to the wiki,Imperial regiments don't usually get reinforced, so maybe they're at 5 or 8 at a time, but really it's like the 1st, 23rd, 12th, and 8th, or something
I think that a grimy, neon cyberpunk is good for these guys.Kinda like mega city one, except with out the judges.The criminals and cultists keep themselves in check via turfwars and personal beefs, and the exterminators only really get involved if the problem gets out of handm
>>45514750I think that's generally the core idea. The only issue is distilling this down and making something concrete
>>45514729Or rather, there should be roughly 12 million Hua Yuan troops, assuming an average regimental size of 10000.
>>45514621It's looking great! Are you going to give the armor the green and purple pattern like on the standard uniform or keeping it as is
>>45514835I don't really know. They're stormtropers/Grenadiers so i guess they'll have some kind of visual distinction.But if people agree to get them the standard camo i'm fine.
>>45514896I sort of vaguely remember someone suggesting that 80s-looking blue squiggle (forgot what's the proper name for that) as an alternative camo scheme
>>45514896Some pattern similar to this could work, if you're down for it. Maybe not the same colors
>>45514951>>45514896Shit forgot pic
>>45514936>80s-looking blue squiggleSolo Jazz? The old plastic cups from dentists' offices. It's actually a 90s thing though afaik.
>>45514951>>45514936>>45514896>>45514835>>45514784>>45514765>>45514750>>45514743>>45514661This is what I'm talking about. >>45514729>>45514743These are good numbers. /archive rat/ note these.>>45514661>>45513427>>45513402>>45512683>>45512591>>45512559Let these guide the discussion now. The Chinese elements are there, but we need to focus on the 80's Cyberpunk and 80's Police Force Operating and Rave Aesthetic, but always keep in mind this is Warhammer 40000.
>>45515456>80's Police Force OperatingSo Tianenmen Square is a go?
>>45515456Maybe focus on small (at least for 40k), elite teams that work in cohesion to take certain objectives?
>>45515572And why not?It's an incredibly Imperium of Man response to civil unrest.
>>45515602Ah well fair enoughIt's a sore spot for some of us, but I have to admit it's pretty Imperium of Man
>>45514784I think this is the best concession we'll get. Seems like it satisfies low number or regiments + high number of guardsmen. Plus it makes sense for the regiments to be high. Hives are large, and Nids are deadly. They need numbers to cover space, and provide a logistic cushion
>>45515949If there's no distinct resistance to>>45514784and>>45514729I may start adding them to the Wiki. We need to get it up to date so that people can use it as a quick reference.
>>45516118The equipment list should definitely be on there by now. Maybe have the picture of the standard uniform next to it
I think this works as camo, had to get ride of the red stripes for now.
>>45516118I'm too lazy to change it myself but make sure to delete the "(who are coincidentally the only Hua Yuan exterminators)" from the wiki. I wrote that part like 4 threads ago so it's not up to date. Probably needs some other changes too since it was intended to deal only with the 1st Exterminators.
>>45516178I'd say more green and purple since it doesn't quite strike me as camo just yet, try referencing actual patterns (camo, retro or whatever)
>>45516178Looks good m8Also I just want to thank the many drawfags for their contributions, stuff is aesthetic as fuck. Special shout-out to the guy who did the OP pic, the smoke + lasers is awesome. But you're all doing great.I have to write a few thousand words today for homework but if I get done early I'll do more writefaggotry. Ideally a short Codex-style incident thing, any ideas?I was thinking either something about the richfags realizing resources are limited or else a piece on the shock-and-awe style Sentinels if we're even using those still
>>45516190Yeah. I'd be making some fairly substantial changes to better incorporate the new/refined direction of Hua Yuan.If nobody says no in the next 10, I'll pull the trigger and get the changes up there.
>>45516241>richfags realizing resources are limitedThat doesn't really fit in anymore - you'll need to reread the thread a little. As it is, Hua Yuan is now primarily a recruiting world - the imperium is well aware there is little to no mineral wealth left, with the planet's tithe being made up mostly of troops, now.
>>45516241I say sentinels first, but richfags is a good idea. Maybe a piece on the middlefags too
>>45516246are we sure about the transition from mining world to Imperial guard world?
>>45516280He could mean them dealing with early logistics of trying to sustain a colony cut off from the rest of the Inperium. That, and how barren the planet is
>>45516346I think mining world first, then after praetorians it turns into a recruitment world
>>45516280I'm still working on the last thread tbqh. Things keep changing. That said, I don't see why it couldn't still fit in as a historical moment. (a la Heritage Moments for the Canadafags reading) >"well, shit's fucked and the adeptus terra's knocking on the door. wat do?">"well there are a whole lot of disgruntled miners..."OR>back in the day prior to re-contactOR>something connecting unrest to the genestealer cults (we do still have genestealer cults, right? lel)But of course I won't start on anything until I'm caught up on what's going onPS fuck captcha, why's it keep fading images out and cycling through them for eternity? Or is that just for me?
>>45516346I'd say it'd be a good transition to make for the world prior to the Imperial reconquest. Sort of a way for the elite to remain in control of their dwindling riches.
>>45516346Why not?It's not like economies can't change from industrial to knowledge-based, we went through that.Same concept.
>>45516530Also, who's to say that other conversions can't happen. Maybe convert certain sections into a forge world. It'd do something with the un employment rate.
>>45516346I'd argue it's a natural progression. With such a huge population, any way of getting excess workforce offworld, and dealing with a tithe that needs to be fulfilled at the same time is really a win-win, plus the guys in charge can keep selling their reduced mineral output offworld to stay nice and rich.
>>45516346>>45516423>>45516479>>45516530It's both. The Praetorians are exploiting the planet.It's a tithe world. Gas farming of Kaihonium, vast mining of adamantine (Shiney chrome bionics) and other valuable metals, ancient Thyrrus relics in the Florescent Wastes and other xenobiologocal data, and now highly specialized guardsmen. That's not taking into account the shitty but efficient manufactorums and all the black market doings
>>45516530>>45516479>>45516608>>45516639Consider that we rolled 1st borns only, so that has to stay. That's still a fuckhuge tithe though
>>45516280>>45516346consider>>45516682the planet having an industry makes it feel more alive, and gives the nobles some reason to keep on fighting for the planet.
>>45506351ok how the f do you fit 500 billion people on an entire small moon, let alone one hive, there would litreally not be enough space to fit the bodies, let alone move.
>>4551689740k sense of scale
>>45516897It's a planetoid. "Moon".Let's say the size of earth.
Alright. Updated the wiki page. If none object with the updates, I'm going to make a separate section for people to actually flesh out the 1st regiment as it's own entity.
>>45515660Actually, ou have a good pointBit provincial on my part, forgot 40k has fans who may have known people who were killed there.Sorry for bringing it up.
>>45516178You are a fucking dream annon. Thank you for the awesome art man Postan it to the WIki, and going through the Condensed fluff
>>45511800This hand of mine is BURNING RED.
>>45517145It's not personal as in -myself-, but there's a reason why we mourn the massacre even after all those years. It's one of the major reasons why we distrust the PRC so much anyways./blog
>>45517131I would say a Hua Yuan page and Regiment Page. We can Mae other pages for stuff like the gangs and stuff in the Hua Yuan world building threads. Right now we need to focus on the Regiment. We're doing a good job so far. >>45517169
>>45517226IT'S LOUD ROAR TELLS ME TO GRASP VICTORY!!!
>>45517268Alright. Anybody opposed to the planet getting it's own page?If not, I'll split the current regimental page, add a section for "Notable Regiments" and then add a short description of the 1st, and a link for a page devoted just to it.That'll leave us with a nice general overview page for the regiment itself.
>>45517390Excellent plan. The dedication of Anons such as yourself is what keeps this project alive.
minor crunch issues anons, We gave theses guys both a mono knife and a ceremonial blade(good sword) how about we ditch the knife and get something nice for da boyz to play with so we avoid overlap in OW games, or maybe reserve swords for officers and enlists get mono knives
>>45517625yeah, swords for officers and normal guys just knives
>>45517390Alright.I'm going to start working on getting the main "Hua Yuan Regiments" page ready. I'm going to need some anons to help start fleshing out some of these things, however:>>45512591I'll make up suitable sections for them in the meantime, along with some other things, and get the needed pages made up for the other stuff that needs to be split off from the core overview. I just don't want to leave us with a bunch of empty categories on the wiki page.
>>45517268I suggest this on an old thread right before it died, I'm all for it
>>45516763The mining industry has been heavily affected, but not as much as imperial records would indicate. The adamantine mines are heavily impacted, but there are millions of strong veins still running through the crust.These however are often controlled by gangs, and more still are so far deep that they enter the terraformed realm of the hidden Tyranid horde. The gangs often sell to the Regiments or the eccentric Tech Priests directly, most of the time to "chrome" their bionics, a process involving costing exposed bionics with a thin layer of the precious metal, improving their durability but also acting as a status symbol amongst Hua Yuan locals.
so the sword knife crunch is rectified, now we have a couple extra points for gear. what do we want? Do we have enough points for Vox casters or some det pack explosives?
>>45517654Ceremonial knives?Not as fancy as proper swords, but enough to serve as a means of identification.Back then HK comic books have merch that's basically miniature models of the weapons appearing in the comics, so detailed-looking knives make sense
>>45517865Probably det packs
>>45517893they already have mono knives
>>45517722The farming of the versatile and colorful gaseous element Kaihonium is going strong to this very day, as is the trade of hazardous drugs and unstable weaponry made of the stuff.>>45517865>>45517893>>45517900Det Packs. How else are they supposed to set charges and door breach?Knives and Sledgeaxes are more useful in this environment anyway
>>45517893I mean maybe not call them "ceremonial" knives just because they have engravings and stuff.>>45517865I'd say vox casters, det packs would cause maybe too much destruction to the bottom hive (unless they didn't use them in the bottom hive, in which case it would be fine)
New page for Writefag work. Not sure how anybody else would like to see it laid out (not really my kind of editing, I'm afraid,) so the page looks pretty... basic, right now.https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hua_Yuan_Exterminator_Writefaggotry
>>45517998Wait Kaihonium is meant to be gaseous?Damn, I always thought it's a metal because of the -ium part.
>>45517969>>45518006Well I only suggested that because >>45517625 suggested ditching the monoknife and giving the lackeys something else.
>>45518153Yeah, but the other gases don't have that suffix so I got a bit confused.Alas I can't think of anything better just yet
Shouldn't >>45506631 be on the wiki?!
>>45518221Wiki-anon here:It will be. I'm still trying to clean up the formatting for Hua Yuan itself.I'll also need people to decide if that's for all Hua Yuan regiments, or just Exterminator regiments.
>>45518092I recommend keeping the faggotry on the regiment page as there isn't much of it and the Exterminator page is nowhere near over crowded
>>45518269This desuI don't see any need for 5 separate wiki pages, the other /tg/ regiments/chapters are pretty much all confined to one page each
>>45518267All regiments. But title it the exterminators. The non exterminator could be one paragraph summaries
>>45518297In fairness, the other tg regiments don't have much writteb about them. But I agree
>>45518297Depends on how much material we have and whether they're worth splitting into their own pages, I think.
>>45518328Alright. I'll get that added to the main page.>>45518269>>45518297Ok. I'll re-merge all that to the main page once I finish up with the Hua Yuan stuff. It's a mess right now, and is going to need some doing to get turned into a cohesive overview for potential GMs.
>>45518365Anon, you have the patience of a saint.
Wiki-anon again - Was any decision made on *where* exactly Hua Yuan was?
>>45518481On the first thread, someone wrote about it:The hive is located at the bottom of a naturally formed super canyon at the equator.It was then further deepened by human activity.The moon is geologically dead and has been for a long time. The deepest levels of the hive are at the level where the world is still warm in the middle.It's a big maze down there and nobody has a complete or up to date map.It is said by some of the natives that the oldest parts of the hive are pre-Imperial and they're probably right.But that's from the first thread, i think that after that people started talking about a previous fleet and other things which i don't remember clearly
>>45518365Based anon, I could imagine how much work it would be just to reorganize things
>>45518579My bad, I meant the planet itself. It's clearly in the path of a Hive Fleet, but other than that, I have nothing to really go on for the planetary overview for the planet page.That said, all of that info is also very useful, provided none of it conflicts with anything else.
>>45518481Do you mean galactically?Cos i dont think we covered that
>>45518579I vaguely remember something about a ship crashing into the planet as well, it should be buried somewhere in the past threads
>>45518631It basically has to be on the Eastern Fringe based on what's been written, since it contacted Tyranids at or before 899 M41Someone should probably double check though I haven't looked at the Tyranid Codex in a while
>>45518579>The hive is located at the bottom of a naturally formed super canyon at the equator.>>45518648Unless it's been changed since the first 3 threads, the hive is based in the remains of a crashed mining and colonization ship. Residents expanded downwards (because neon atmo) and found stuff to mine, city rapidly expanded afterwards.Or is that not true anymore?
>>45518646Yeah, I had been looking over the old threads, and hadn't noticed anything of the sort, so I wanted to make sure I hadn't missed anything.>>45518660If I go ahead and toss that up on the page, would anybody be particularly offended?
>>45518648Yeah, the hive (this is what i remember, i don't know if it's been changed) is pretty much built ontop and inside of a crashed merchant ship, and then it expanded downwards more and more and more. I imagine it as the ship having crashed backwards into the planet, making the engines be at the bottom and the command part of the ship still at the top, where the upper hive is obviously, with the praetorians and everything, plus i remembers somebody talking about the nobles having their own places close to the ship but separate from the rest of the hive where they have a lot of space. Somebody correct me if i'm wrong please.
>>45518725>>45518777The ship crashed into the equator, right?
>>45518807I don't remember that specifically but I see no reason why it can't be the case. For all I know it crashed into a natural canyon, too. I wasn't around when those more specific geography parts were discussed but honestly they don't even conflict (especially if you add this guy's >>45518777 "crashed backwards" thing to it)
So how close on a scale of 1 to 10 are we to getting the exterminators finished?
>>45518880Er, we're sorta sorting stuff out. I'm gonna call it a rapidly advancing 4
>>45510097https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tj2zJ2WvgFor some reason, this brought welcome to the jungle to my mind, and it could work as a song about the the lower levels.
>>45519012That's actually fitting, since their Stormtroopers, the well known Beast Slayers are specifically trained in hunting giant beasts, Hive Siege Warfare, and moving in urban jungles of Hive Worlds.
>>45518807>>45518777>>45518731>>45518725>>45518660Universe class (biggest we can get without it being a warship) mining vessel and colonist ship. Wandered too close to splinter fleet, which some ships splintered further and made chase, some even getting on board.Ship crashes into the Earth sized moon,once a former Thyrrus battleground where they fucked themselves with wacky war, genestealer cult and other Sects slowly form.Fleet finally catches up
First draft, folks. Still tearing into the later sections, but we should have a decent reference to work from soon, provided I haven't made any mistakes here.https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hua_Yuan
>>45519522Sexy af lad.
I thought we agreed to keep the faggotry in the in the regiment page. Every other homebrew does that.
>>45520053Maybe we can keep it around as a WIP first before migrating it over to the main page when it's done
>>45520053Yep. I'd moved it to declutter the main page, but I'll move it back ASAP. Just trying to edit a couple of other pages as I go.
Okay, what else about the regiment needs to be fluffedAnd what else needs to be drawn
>>45520096I'm fine with that but most of the faggotry has been edited to be put in line with the "canon" already. If you see any canon errors please speak up most of the writers are cool with changing their stuff a little, Remember when Commissar Phisk used to be Commissar Dans
>>45520152We also need draw faggotry of what the moon or hive actually looks like. i really want to see a Neon hive
>>45520196And there we go
>>45520152Wiki-anon here:I have sections for, but no info/fluff for regular (non-Exterminator) and armored Regiments, and there hasn't been anything said about Captain-General Yeoh Hong, the guy in charge of the 1st.We could also use some more fluffing of the training regiment (which I'd humbly like to suggest calling the 4th Regiment.)We also need:>Where they get tithed to usually. >Important figures and leadership.>Notable war Trophies.>Notable engagements
>>45520274>Yeoh HongWait, you mean Hong Yeoh?
>>45520187Wiki-anon put together an awesome description of the planet, if any drawanons want to work off that:> The atmosphere of the planet is extremely turbulent, with lighting storms giving the planet's entire surface an ominous glow as the skies are split by orange lightning, and make human habitation of the planet's surface all but impossible. As a result the majority of the planet's surface remains untouched by the hand of man, but in the depths of the equatorial canyon a sprawling hive reaches deep beneath the surface, marked only by the towering spires of the superstructure of a long-wrecked spacecraft.
>>45520160Other writefag here, basically this. I'll be in the thread so I'm willing to just change my shit if it's out of canon. Although I tried to focus it on a small enough incident/tactic that it wouldn't fall out of use unless we change everything else, lel. As far as the main wiki page stuff goes, I expected that to be edited later on, so no worries.>>45520274>>Notable engagementsWhat's our actual timeline look like? Genestealers showed up in 899 (so 150~ years after they first showed up elsewhere), but how long was that after the initial crash? (ie do we have 100 years to work with, or like 300) Because if the planet's only been occupied for 100 years it's unlikely they'have had 15 major engagements, right?
>>45520187This is an dudes rendition of mega city one.Similar
>>45520274>Where they get tithed to usually.To densely urbanized planets and Hive Worlds.>Important figures and leadership.Yeoh Hong (dunno if he should remain Colonel, or he should get a promotion).Commissar "Mao" Fengxian and his little white and black-stripped cat.A monk Grand Master for the Jade Fire Sect.>Notable war Trophies.The head of Hierophant Bio-Titan that the guardsmen shipped back home and nailed above the entrance to the regimental HQ.>Notable engagementsWhat >>45520342 says.
>>45520330The order is reversed in all uses I see on the original thread, my bad.>>45520342>What's our actual timeline look like?Assuming an Earth-like Birth Rate, and that population is actually 500 Billion (which feels a tad high,) it'd take well over 350 years for the population to actually get that high. I'd give them roughly that long.
>>45520274I'm imagining one of the other regiments being far lighter armed and armored.Drawn from less prosperous parts of the hive and with less wealthy patrons.They speak a different language to the 1st. Regiment.They have no vehicles, they have few heavy weapons.They make war by being either extremely fast or totally still.They bound and dance across any urban landscape from ledge to balcony to rooftop and running up seemingly sheer walls.Their natural and well honed agility and stamina enhanced with the work of back street cyberneticists and a careful regime of drugs. They are, needless to say, at least half crazy.They are neon wraiths in vivid pink and red and eye bleeding shades of green.
>>45520427I can work on some Colonel Faggotry. give me three hours and I'll give you 2 paragraphs
>>45520453I was just wondering because Yeoh could be 耀 as in shining brightly, which is used as a given name.洪 (pronounced Hong) can be a surname.
>>45520274>>45520427This sounds about right
>>45520453>t'd take well over 350 years for the population to actually get that highThat's a good point, but there was massive immigration due to the mining industry.In real life, Seattle had a population of 3500 in 1880 but was already up to 80,000 in 1900. Now imagine that but with a way bigger starting pop and a higher immigration rate. I could see it rising pretty fast.I don't know if 500B is an unreasonable number or not though because I'm not up to date on 40k hive cities fluff but afaik a typical one has 10s of millions of people, and this is a fuck-huge non-typical one. So a few billions seems reasonable to me, maybe even 100 billion, I don't know though.
>>45520567I imagine that inmigration rates would be huge considering the size of the imperium, so that could explain the rapid population boost, and subsequent clusterfuck.
>>45520567500billion is a crazy impossible number, but it fits with 40k's absurd sense of scale
>>45520274from the first thread:>Yeoh Hong is the current Captain-General for the exterminators. He was born into the lower depths of Hua Yaun as an orphan, where he quickly had to develop a keen set of survival skills and premonition in order to survive in the inhospitable environment. Joining a local gang at a young age, Yeon proved to be ruthless and cruel, eventually become the head of his outfit. After a failed raid on a rival compound, his gang was wiped out, leaving him to join the pdf as a means to escape the lower Hive. The skills he learned in his youth translated into a sense for combat lacking in the rest of the corrupted and lazy force. After performing many successful raids, including a cultist sect, he became a captain, where he employed his knowledge of street gangs to successfully combat them. Rising further through the ranks, it was a clear choice who should lead the newly formed regiment.
>>45520567OrGive a reasonable number for the " documented or registered citizens" but then say that this does not acount for the more hidden denizens, such as outcasts, mutants, gangers and maybe even the odd xeno.These numbers could add another (insert large number here) to the planets already sweltering population.
>>45520687I just copy and pasted what was said about him in the first thread. I feel like its a good place to jump off of, but he definitely needs to be updated with the current fluff
>>45520274For notable regiments, there definitely needs to be the first. I feel like the first should always be garrisoned
>>45520706Oh.Maybe add how he led the regiment into its most significant battles and how he found it that being a guardsman is much more productive than being a ganger.
>>45520775Maybe he comes into conflict with his old gang or some of the old gang members and shenanigans ensue?
>>45520819Maybe he got framed by a rival gang, causing him to lose trust from his old gang?
>>45520966I was thinking maybe he sees them for what they are, and mercilessley destroys them all.
>>45520819>>45520966>>45520998I'd go with this:>Flashback as a Guardsman>Instance where he aids the Hive World's Enforcers>Some gangers doing drug experiments on people>Yeoh recognizes them as one of the rival gangs that wiped out his gang>They raid the place successfully, yet he recognized one of the people that were experimented on...a fellow member of his old gang who was also his girlfriend he though was killed in the wipe>She was drugged so hard that she barely recognized him, and on top of that the drugs literally burned out her body to the point of being a lump of immovable flesh>Poor sod had to mercy-kill her since the drug was slowly and painfully killing her>Flashback of him as a Sergeant Major>Goes on to bust a Slaaneshi Cult>Finds the place in a total conflict with a rival Chaos Cult (Khornates)>To his horror, he found more people that survived the wipe. One of the Slaaneshi is a woman that he considered an older sister to him, while one of the Khornates was a friend of his...the brother of his girlfriend>He kills them and wondered if he stayed a ganger, then would that happened to him>This prompt him further to raise in the ranks in the guard up to Lord General seeing it as a second chance at life and to make up for that life as a ganger
>>45521155That would be a good fleshing out part on him.
>>45521155>>45521370Yeah, but holy shit his girlfriend and her family is unlucky as fuck
>>45521390Life on a Hive World is never easy.And gangers have various levels of luck, which sadly aren't high.
>>45520596>>45520595>>45520704We still need a number guys, someone pick one.Otherwise I'm going to suggest>Although official estimates of the hive's population have included numbers as high as 10[[[[????]]]] billion, these approximations do not include the many residents of the underhive living outside of the law. It is commonly held that the most cramped quarters of the underhive, which are also the areas least likely to be counted properly in official reports, have a population density ten times higher than even the lower hive.
>>45521615Idk im not good wiv numbers
>>45521615>official figures of the hive's population still remain as "far too many"
>>45521640Armageddon is a big-ass planet consisting entirely of hive cities and factories and it's supposedly got between 100 billion and 500 billion according to lexicanum. So something less than 100 billion makes sense to me since the city is cramped but also in a single crater on a large moon.>>45521696lel
>>45521155I don't mean to be rude but as I'm the one writing it, I'm kinda already doing my own thing.But I will leave him open for that to have happen in his past if another fag wants to write that. I'm just writing about him and Phisk hanging out.
>>45521696>The Imperial Record states the weekly civilian death rate as "Not nearly enough".
Wiki-anon here.I'm working on a revision of the main article that will have the Writefag works back in it.I've been working on a rough outline for the Hua Yuan armored units, and wanted some feedback before I toss it up on the wiki or anything.>Hua Yuan Armored Regiments share their footslogging comrade's experience in fighting urban combat, especially in dense environments. Their tactics are therefore typically based upon area control, utilizing their heavy firepower and armor to block off major thoroughfares, and working in conjunction with infantry to cut off pathways, allowing friendly units to shape the battle in their own favor.>As a result of this tactical doctrine, Hua Yuan Armored units are primarily made up of light armor, such as several Chimera variants, modified Centaur AFVs, Cyclops RDVs, and occasionally Tauros when fighting in more open environments. Additionally, due to the subterranean nature of Hua Yuan, Armored units will occasionally utilize Termite Burrowing Vehicles to great effect to break enemy fortifications and (unconventionally,) to destabilize the very earth beneath entrenched enemy positions.>>45521758I'd say we go for somewhere around 80 billion, with "likely large numbers of undocumented individuals."
>>45521877Works for me
>>45521939Don't see anything wrong with the green text anon.In my opinion, proceed.
>>45521939that sounds good. I think the non elite Infantry should be the the conscripted losers of gang wars drugged with frezon, handed the shitty local lasguns. and pushed to fight the hive fleet
I'm going to post the next thread once this one falls off the board. I'd like to thank everyone for staying mostly on topic and coming to a cord when agreeing about the thematic tone of the Guardsmen. Next thread will focus on the Regiment as well, so we can finish them for good, but general world building is acceptable.Remember, the Regiment comes first and we are fleshing this out to be used in other WH40K TTRPG'S.
>>45521939Have you scoured the previous threads for info? There was a huge clusterfuck over what vehicles should be used, I didn't pay attention to the outcome though.Also you have to include the extensive use of Sentinels because they fit in places other shit won't. (Also because drawfags have already done their thing) The Sentinels are supposed to work along the same doctrinal lines as the infantry, and include special flashy lamp things that shoot cool lasers and fuck with people.
>>45521877Well those flashbacks are about his past to highlight how he turned in his current persona.Also works for me what ye said.
>>45522113>Have you scoured the previous threads for info?Yeah, no real consensus seemed to be reached, with a lot of ideas being thrown back and forth and shot down. That's why I tried to keep things generally vague where I could.>extensive use of SentinelsI'll add it. I won't like it, but I'll add it.
>>45521877Eh, a person's life can include more than one important event.As long as what you're writing and what others are writing don't contradict each other, I don't see why they can't be used together.
>>45521877C-c-c-c-collaborative work, nigga
>>45522223It's better than the Exterminators becoming Nid Hunting Rave Wuxia. And this coming from the guy that came up with the Animal names for the company.
>>45522255I'd prefer something based on pragmatism and quick-thinking than hurrdurr kung-fu.
>>45522255Definitely.I just have an inherent dislike of anybody insisting that walking vehicles of any sort have any business in an urban setting. A ganger with some wire, a hole, and a death wish is going to easily ruin a sentinel.
>>45522287Well shit, the Anons that clearly knew more about the Imperium At large than we did tried to spell that put for usBut It's Kwell won the moment. Next OP Hua Yuan: RicciAnon Come Back Edition?
>>45522313>inb4 the mechanic nutjobs manage to cobble together something similar only more mobile, at the cost of even flimsier armour and a tendency to break down in the worst moment
>>45522313The Guard isn't exactly known for making the most efficient tactical use of their vehicles though. Plus if the infantry go in front of it the walkers are a lot less likely to be killed by a piece of string, and can still provide support via epilepsy.For an example of how the IG suck ass at actually using things as intended:>Mont'ka>Have titans with shields and superior range>"CHAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE"
>>45522373I actually almost added the Siegfried into the vehicle list, but decided that it seemed unlikely that a mining colony would have farming tractors to spare.
>>45522313Idk manHeavily armoured APCs could be useful.Obviously not in back alleys and stuff, but in slightly more open spaces, maybe like a favela with streets wide enough to fit them.
>>45522313This is true. However welcome to 40k, where clouds of rainbow methamphetamine can be used to make rad flamethrowers. Something I've been pushing, and something that can allow for shit like Jacob and The Technicolor Kaihonium Flamer is what happens when the demo a hab block. Basically you level a section of city that is beyond hope/harbouring entrenched enemy/abandoned and now you have nice flat land from which you can actually field stuff like tanks and walkers and establish a FOB.
I figured there could be ways to fit in vehicles, if only to have high-speed car chases
>>45522385I see the Exterminators having more common sense and be pragmatic on the battlefield due to being Hive Worlders and thus having gangers among them who will fight dirty.
>>45522385>The Guard isn't exactly known for making the most efficient tactical use of their vehicles though.It feels kind of odd for a Regiment known for their mastery of urban warfare to do something as stupid as deploying vulnerable walkers that are probably too tall to be useful in some places that they frequently fight, and are extremely vulnerable to nothing any more complex than a hole in the floor.
>>45522649But tanks can't even fit in those places and are also vulnerable to holes in the floor
>>45522649Thoughts on>>45522484?Would give the Daft Priests/Tech Punks an opportunity to field their forces, Shiney and Chrome as they are.
>>45522703Well there must be some places where walkers can manouver, even if its just like a peacekeeping operation, but there must be a few open places.Also armoured APCs are and can be used in urban settings.
What about motorcycles?
>>45522686Not him, but when I wrote up the Armored units, I more foresaw them used as stationary units, used to fortify positions, not mobile units. For example, parking a Hellhound on a major pathway in a hive, and using it to lock down an area.>>45522751>Also armoured APCs are and can be used in urban settings.Yep. They were one of my first additions to the vehicle list. At worst, they make an excellent piece of mobile cover.
>>45522686Not nearly to the same degree. The hole needed to ruin a Sentinel can be much, much smaller, and much, much harder to find than the one needed to take out a tank.>>45522703Could be a neat idea, but I feel like a unit like the Hua Yuan would be very loathe to ruin an entire level of a hive unless they really had to.On the other hand, it does pair well with their pragmatism.
>>45522780They "acquired" them from a bunch of Space Marines in yellow armor and who were complete jerkasses, then reverse-engineered them for guardsman use.Guess what Chapter that was.
>>45522751Why not have them as walking support by carrying heavy weapons and mortars to cover the infantry instead of using the Sentinels as frontline units.Infantry walks first, uncovering any possible traps while the Sentinel fires salvo after salvo of HE munitions at the enemy. And in case of RPGs and the like both infantry and walkers are vulnerable so you don't have much of a choice until you level the entire habblock
>>45522788Worst? Brother let me tell you, when it comes to small arms fire there is nothing better than an MRAP
>>45522788So lets theres an open area of ground infront of a hab block, to small for tanks, but a squad of sentinels can stand there and provide covering fire for the exterminators to move in.
>>45522861NO. >>45522780I'm sure the Enforcer regiment/s use them to keep up with/get ahead of the Arbites.
>>45522887They were already dead when the guardsmen found their bikes.Dead people don't ride bikes.
>>45522863I like that. A sort of short-range MRLS Sentinel could have it's uses, especially in "roomier" areas.>>45522878You've now created a squad of large, easy to hit silhouettes that are likely to be killed quickly, and probably take friendlies with them.
>>45522828It's one of those things they hate to do, but they are disciplined, and ironwilled. Why they prefer the narrow corridors and cramped confines of a "Vertical Trench" if they need to level the playing field they will. They almost never do this on Hua Yuan, but if they do they usually let the SoB and Praetorians handle the open warfare, when they can be arsed to help
>>45522944NO.I can give you one hint.Whirlwinds
>>45522947If they were being used to support the homeworld regiment they might only be facing small arms fire, and there are more armoured versions of sentinels
>>45522944>>45522916Fucking stop. This is as bad as Neon packs and overloading on the Chinese elements.The Enforcer elements use them to keep up with speed cults and biker gangs, such as the Deff Squigz and the Ketsueki Ronin.
I put the Praetorians back in the in 1d4chan page on government. Remember guys, it's hong kong the british rule shit but, very much in hands off way
>>45522953Guess it adds a further layer of caution, kind of like they'd only bring out the biggest guns when they're damn sure there's no other option.>>45523000Wait, is there something I'm not getting?
New thread when
>>45522983Aye, and offworld they get support from the other regiments so is all cool
>>45523023Thanks. That page still needs a ton of work, but I figured I'd step back and get the other pages sorted before I scraped the old threads and added some more details.
>>45523000 >>45522944it's lamenters joke nobody is serious about mixing space marines into this, I hope
>>45523023They just exploit it. >>45516682>>45517722>>45517998The Adeptus Arbites and the Adeptus Sororitas are the only ones interested in instilling Imperial law and order on the planet.
>>45523052When it falls off the board. Next thread will focus on Imperial Forces, be they guard or Arbite, Praetorian or Sororitas.I will try and summon RicciAnon, who had some good ideas and was right on adding too much Ginseng to the stew.
>>45523112Pretty muchHK is one of the rare cases where being a colony turns out to be a good thing, but it'll be a different case here