Is there any reason why Dune just didn't make it as a setting for gaming? Is it the shields? >No vehicle to vehicle combat because of shields>No lasguns because of shields>No air support because of shields >No space battles because of shields
>>43996638I don't think it's because of shields.I don't know what the rights situation is, but I don't think there's ever been a licensed rpg put out. I don't even remember a GURPS supplement. If there had been one, maybe it would have caught on a little, but honestly, Dune is, and I don't say this in a pretensions or I'm-smarter-than-you way, a pretty high brow setting for general consumption. It's difficult for a lot of people to even digest most of it, and compared to Star Wars or Star Trek, it doesn't have the same simplicity or broad appeal.
If they released a Dune RPG people would say it's cliche and derivative.And the worlds energy problems could be solved with the power of my rage
>>43996710Isn't the appeal to see how humanity could develop without computers? With the Great Houses, and factions like: The Bene Gesserit, Bene Tleilaxu, Ixians, and the Spacing Guild, so much could be done with Dune. >>43996734See, how can Dune be derivative? A lot of the settings that rip off dune, only take the shellac, but not the core of the setting.
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>>43996776Never heard of this setting.
>>43996800It's literally Dune with just enough words changed to not be subject to legal action p much
>>43996812Do you really think they'd C&D a fan project?
>>43996638Dune: Chronicles of the Imperium (2000): Last Unicorn Games; role-playing game set in the Dune universe. Delayed by legal issues and then a corporate buyout of Last Unicorn by Wizards of the Coast, a "Limited Edition" run of 3000 copies of a core rule-book was initially published, pending Wizard of the Coast's conversion of the game to its d20 role-playing game system and a subsequent wider release. The company later announced that the game would be discontinued, but it was eventually published by Wizards of the Coast after the acquisition. Val Mayerik did interior art for the game.
>>43996834Wizards also had the Star Wars license. No reason to not have made a Dune:Saga edition.
>>43996741>Isn't the appeal to see how humanity could develop without computers?Yes, but what I'm saying is, Dune is much more intellectual and philosophical than most sci fi settings. It's oriented toward politics, religious philosophy, and cultural analysis. Those aren't things that grab most people's attention.
>>43996848Except that Star Wars was probably much more popular and easy to grasp.
>>43996776I don't really like it, but Burning Wheel would be a logical system for Dune.
Well, part of the problem is that as of the events of the film (most peoples' introduction to Dune) the primary conflict is resolved. Paul becomes the Emperor, and eventually the God-King. All who challenge him are destroyed, and he is essentially a precognative demigod.So what exactly do the PCs do? It's like Dark Sun, where the primary plot points of the setting are resolved in the novels, thus rendering the PCs redundant.For Dune to work as a setting, it would have to be either set in the past, or in an alt-setting where the Paul Ascension never happens.
>>43996834Currently going for a little less than $200 used.A preview: https://www.4shared.com/web/preview/pdf/zBxt1RyY
>>43996959>All who challenge him are destroyedAnd yet, things ended up so well for Paul, right? While Dune would probably work best during the events of the first book or a prequel, you could still argue that it could take place during Emperor Paul Muad'Dib's reign. People playing Star Wars games still play while Palpatine is the Emperor.
>>43996981Palpatine isn't a precognitive god-king destroying all who challenge him
>>43996998But Paul being precognitive didn't stop people from plotting against him. Or his son.
Y-you guys dont play dune settings?we dont either, we play traveller, but a few of our players are right into dune, I'm sure we all secretly pretend we're there on every desert world mining operation we come across.
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>>43996638What about making a homebrew based off the Westwood vidya adaptations?
>>43997207I have no idea how the Bene Tlielaxu could make matter-replicating BOWsBut the vehicles fighting in Westwood vidya make sense. The heavy static discharge on Arrakis means shields don't work well.
>>43996776That's because everyone wishes burning wheel was actually burning book so we wouldn't have to see that shit around anymore
>>43996638Same reason there is no official Fallout or Elder Scrolls PnP.Legal issues and a bad case of "you can't play with our ball".Dune actually has vehicle combat, lasguns, air support and space battles.It's just never been a big part of the setting.Shields are mostly limited to nobles and important staff or individuals.Look at Fading Suns which basically IS Dune with some more pulp thrown in.That has shields and they weren't a problem.I also heard that Burning Wheel was supposed to be a Dune rpg but they lost the license.And then there's this: >>43996834Which also had art by Mark Zug. Most of it was re-used for the card game.
>>43997316I think you're underselling shields. I don't expect everyone in the Dune Universe to have them, but every Great House trooper uses a shield whenever possible.That's how the setting is more feudalistic, and advanced at the same time. And the problem isn't the shield by themselves. It's when a laser hits a shield, which creates an atomic explosion.In order to fire a lasgun, you have to be unshielded. If yo're unshielded, you're vulnerable.
>>43997345Also the whole if you shoot someone shielded you die too. Not really something you can inspire most people to do. Which is why the everyone using swords thing made sense. Also you could easily set it during Paul or Letos reign by not focusing around then or what they did. You can focus around other areas of the setting they did not magically eliminate all crime or anything you just have to shift scope and scale to not on their level It's the same idea with anything else licensed, for instance if you do something starwars in the time of the original trilogy you will not set it around or near the actions of the movies they might be refrenceable but having the story piggy back them would be boring
>>43997489You could make a strong argument that if they made another Dune RPG, it'd be a good idea to make the Harkonnens a playable faction, if not the main characters.
>>43996741>See, how can Dune be derivative?Man, fuck that Warhammer 40k game. They just ripped off StarCraft for everything.
>>43997542Funny thing about Warhammer, is that even though they tried to make the Emperor hate being worshipped, they still missed the point. They didn't understand. Paul doesn't want to be the messiah.He hates the Fremen jihads.The Emperor is 100% happy to have people kill in his name, but it's worship that pisses him off. Leto II becoming the God-Emperor had horrific downsides, and portrayed immortality semi-realistically. He set mankind on a golden path, by scattering across the cosmos. The Emperor taking up his mantle is because of his contempt for mankind. The Emperor hates humans, and rules them with an iron fist, because he expects nothing from humanity.
>>43997569>The Emperor hates humans, and rules them with an iron fist, because he expects nothing from humanity.I feel the same and would do the same.
>>43997533I think a modern take on Dune would be wise to look across the aisle at Westeros. People aren't just interested in the heroes now, with a couple of nerds fighting over being Vader. The culture likes its sorting hat fetishism, and that means multiple playable, sympathetic factions.
>>43997574It's hard to find sympathetic factions in Dune, though. >The Bene Tleilax are genetic monsters>The Bene Gesserit are asshole witches>The Spacing Guild is full of neutral assholes that only want the spice to flow>The Ixians want to bring about the very conditions that will recreate the Butlerian Jihads>The Padishah Emperor is an asshole that keeps the Great Houses down, while being manipulated by the Spacing Guild and Bene Gesserit.
>>43997489But what's the point then? Might as well set it in a thousand of other sci-fi settings if you're not going to exploit anything from the Dune books.Meanwhile, SW's got all of the smuggling and fighting the Empire at all levels in its original trilogy. And its Jedi order of galactic peacekeepers/diplomats and the galactic war in the new one. Plenty things to do, everywhere, anytime, and it'll always be SW-y because the things we see in the movies can be done by players.
>>43996981That's also true for Lord of the Rings, doesn't stop people from playing games in that setting.
>>43997608>It's hard to find sympathetic factions in DuneAs opposed to 40k?
>>43997608Much like real life politics. Everyone is trying, by whatever means necessary, to grow and solidify their power-base, expand their influence and and ward, minimize or destroy anyone that would encroach on their source of authority, whether it be ideological, economic, or military.Nobody 'like' politicians. Doesn't stop us from watching them, analyzing them, decrying them and even sometimes cheering for them.
>>4399770240k admittedly has HFY to carry it forward. And fanboyism for the other factions>Yeah, everyone is a terrible fascist but that's US winning!
>>43996638But it did, it became 40k.
>>43996834Here we arehttp://www.mediafire.com/download/4ick6mj71992o4n/Dune+RPG+%28ICON+2000%29+-+Core+Rulebook.pdfThe printface and retarded art make it extremely hard to read
>>43997739>equating 40k with Dune
>>43997748I know Sean Young was a major qt in the 80s, but I'd stick my Kwisatz in her Haderach
>>43997686The point is playing in the setting because it is diffrent from most scifi like you can't go grab a ship and fly off world you must go through the guild most elite soldiers use melee weapons to avoid sheilds the effects that the diffrent factions use to accomplish objectives Imagine playing a face dancer inflation unit and working under cover to assasinate someone within a great house, or being soldiers of a great house that had fallen then peddling as mercenaries to other houses, ect The reason is the setting is interesting outside the big events of the books
Fading Suns is pretty similar to Dune, and one of the cooler sci fi settings around in its own right. The system isn't good, but that doesn't seem to stop people playing other games.
>>43997768>not wanting Sting's sandworm
>>43997794Why not both?
>>43997789How is it similar to Dune?
>>4399772240k has the lore for each faction being written by its own faction, which helps. If you read a book from the perspective of the Bene Gesserit, you'd see that their goal is the advancement of humanity by long-term genetic planning. If you read about the Tleilax from their perspective, you'd see a similar thing- trying to create the perfect human through technology. I mean, there are real life transhumanists who'd probably look pretty fondly at the Tleilax if they weren't presented as villains to the main characters.
>>43997608You left out the Fremen, who will kill you for your precious precious water
>>43997836Everyone is the hero of their own story. I actually find the Tleilax surprisingly sympathetic in their own right. >>43997843Or for me bitch-talking Muad'Dib
>>43996923>Dune is much more intellectual and philosophical than most sci fi settings.English speakers can be funny sometimes.
>>43997843Those are not true fremen a true fremen takes your water if you die, killing you for your water was basically heresy if I remember right and got you exiled. But the fremen basically were terrorist destroying what were essentialy oil fields
>>43996638Play wh40k ;)
>>43996823>>43996848jesus fuck I so wish that Butler's Jihad was better represented as what it was in popular media instead of just saying oh, it's skynet.
>>43997963You don't like Brian Herbert's and Kevin J. Anderson's vision?
>>43997834Feudalism in spaaace.
>>43998000Not same anon but no they were not good they lacked the charm of Frank's work
>>43997207Man I love that game.
>>43998027All I've heard from the prequels are horror stories. Like making the Baron's obesity into an inflicted disease.
>>43998000I don't have a strong opinion on them other than that what they wrote contradicted what Frank wrote directly.
>>43996741>Isn't the appeal to see how humanity could develop without computers? That appeal is pretty much dead. The answer is "Without machines to handle the math our squishy brains are biologically incapable of handling, modern society falls apart. Enjoy your cholera."
>>43998070let me correct myself: I don't have a passionate opinion about them. I do have a strong one, which is, the books are boring and their attempts to expand on the characters and events show that they really wanted to make it different and that lacked all skill to do it competently.
>>43998076I don't think so. The Padishah Empire lasted for 10,000 years.CHOAM and the Emperor, the Spacing Guild, and the Landsraad made for a stable balance of power.
>>43998099pretty sure he means 'abloobloobloo Dune is unrealistic and boring now'
>>43998133That's pretty much it yeah. It's the Jules Verne effect.
>no scene in the David Lynch movie to refer to Paul's abilities as a mentat. Well, I guess Paul didn't care that much either.
>>43997569>Paul doesn't want to be the messiah.He hates the Fremen jihads.What I took from the book is that, on a base level, he's ambivalent about both. His main issue is with his status as the messiah putting him in a golden cage where he's functionally lost control of the Fremen jihad as any order he gives is interpreted in the most extreme way possible.
>>43998200But ultimately, he denied "Godhood", when he walked into the desert to die
>>43998200I don't think that contradicts anons point
>>43998042>Like making the Baron's obesity into an inflicted disease.Eyep. The Barons obesity and chronic health problems were inflicted on him by a Bene Geserit he raped. He raped her because she came to him, forced him (politically) to copulate with her so she could have his child because Muh Kwizat Sadderach, then miscarried. So she came back and was like "I need another baby" so he was like "FINE BITCH" and drugged and raped her. So she released a bio-toxin/disease/whatever into his body.Via her vagina.
>>43998251all I can ask is "why"can't the baron just have been someone who engaged in pretty much every known vice because he was well aware he was wealthy enough to never ever suffer the consequences of what he did
>>43998271He was always/still that thing. I can only assume it was done because Frank's son wanted to dodge the implication that the Baron was skeevy because he was a homosexual.
>>43998251That's unbelievably dumb.
>>43997834It also has weird mysticism, and FTL travel is somewhat restricted, controlled by weird alien gates.
>>43998160>Jules Verne effect?
>>43998251>>43998271>>43998282thing is that the baron was shown to enjoy his grotesque figure in Dune, that his obesity was almost a deviant pleasure for him. All Harkonens are shown to be weird in the head like that.The /f/it Harkonen Baron from the prequels is fundamentally different to the one in the original Dune by being extremely concious of his looks and his buff physique.
>>43998316also the fact that Alia got fat when she was possessed by the Baron does suggest his obesity was entirely self-inflicted
>>43998297>That's unbelievably dumb.The entire Dune franchise in three words.
>>43998332Alia being possessed by the Baron was ALSO unbelievably dumb.Pretty much everything past book 2 is dumb.
>>43998344Alia wasn't posessed by anybody, she just had total genetic recall. And no, book 3 is a bit shit because it's just a bridge gapper which makes for a bad novel, but God Emperor is the culmination of what was set up in 1 and 2 and the best book in the series.
>>43998344But it's funny if you imagine her sounding like Kenneth McMillan's Baron while being possessed.
>>43998360she did make a deal with the baron
>>43998360How is chapter house? That is the only one of the originals I was unable to finish
What does Melange taste like?
>>43998315A setting goes from being believable sci-fi to being tacky retrofuturism wank like steampunk, in a similar way to Jules Verne's stories.
>>43998370Absolutely, she brought one such memoryperson to the absolute forefront of her mind because she saw in it memories and thinking patterns she thought advantageous. The important thing isn't that the Baron's personality didn't have power over her, to an extent, he did, the important part is that what happens is entirely consistant with and indeed productive to the rest of the narrative>>43998383half read on my shelf. Not bad, but entirely unnecessary. Or, said positively: Completely it's own.
>>43998427Verne did combine actual science fiction with more fantasy like content all the time though and contrary to what some believe Verne is not part of steampunk: its just good old victorian scifi
>>43998427How is Dune retrofuturistic?
>>43996959>All players must be supers changing the universe at all times
>>43998658Players must be special!
>>43996638Dune has a few problems in terms of making a game out of it.For one thing, aside from Paul's jihad in the first book, most of the events in the Dune setting take place across the span of hundreds or even thousands of years.Another issue is that precognition is extremely hard to implement as a game mechanic. Either the GM has to railroad to an extent that may diminish the enjoyment of the game, or precognitive powers end up being reduced to something like a general +1 modifier to rolls, removing most of the flavor of it. Same thing with mentat powers; if a character's defining trait is hyper-intelligence but the player is just an ordinary person, it's hard to make that work in a roleplay context.And finally, the way combat was handled in books with a focus on swordsmanship was central to the feel of the setting, but wasn't necessarily the best way to address shields from a practical standpoint. You'd quickly end up with the players running around with flame throwers, thermobaric munitions, and poison gas bombs. It just wouldn't feel like Dune unless the players agreed from a meta perspective to ignore these kind of obvious ways to get an advantage.
>>43997963The Butlerian Jihad made so much more sense in Frank's version. IIRC originally it was just people found that they had let machines run every facet of their society. That they were peripheral, irrelevant, and they reacted to this with increasingly escalating violence against the machines and, presumably, everyone who wasn't so bothered by the situation. The new version has the Jihad be totally justified by malevolent, aggressive, entities. It's much more interesting if the Jihad involved just as much brutally murdering some poor bastard who worked in IT and anyone who happened to be nearby as it did liberating humans from a society that no longer operated on a human scale.
>>43998847Mentats can do a variety of tasks. Thufir was a master of assassins. Piter was more like a generalized interrogater/henchman. Paul was also a mentat, and used that to enhance his talents. The only people who have precognition(as far as I'm aware), is the Kwisatz Haderach and the Bene Gesserit. But the Bene Gesserit are more than precognition. It's also Prana-Bindu muscle control, the Voice, and the other forms of conditioning a Bene Gesserit adept has gone through. As for the other weapons>FlamethrowersSounds like something you'd need to lower your shields to use. You could get shot/stabbed by someone when doing that. >Thermobaric munitions and poison gas bombsProbably banned by the great convention.
>>43998876in Frank's version, the mentants are a natural progression of the concepts that fueled the jihad, the Bene Gesserit's breeding programs a consequence of nothing but it, and with them Paul and Leto II, the latter of which repeats the situation of the Jihad with different means to ultimately free humanity.In the new version, the Jihad it is reduced to the explanation of why spice is important, and that's it.
>>43998876>>43998915pls no bully the Thinking Machines.
>>43998251>she forced him to make babies with her>he's the rapist, so she poisoned himcunt logic exists across time space and dimensions
>>43999471She's a Bene Gesserit, so that make her a double cunt.
I've been working on a home brew based off Stars Without Numbers and some other retclone that introduced Domains as realm-turns, which I can't remember the name of.The setup is Dune 2, the old video game. So the players build a House and play as its leaders, competing with NPC houses to build the best spice mining operation. Domain turns are done at the end of each session and, in addition to the players', the NPC houses all get some, too. So that pretty much writes the adventures for the DM, since the domain turns will happen during the next session as the players try to deal with them. My section on domains is still in notes, I need an introductory adventure, and everything needs balancing, proofreading and polishing, but it's coming along.
>>43999624I'm just skimming through the rules, but I'd run a twisted Mentat.
>>43999705I like twisted Mentats. It was a pain to try to work out how to present Mentats, because that's never defined very clearly, in the source material. Thank god for the Dune Encyclopedia, which I'd take as cannon over his son's garbage any day.One thing I need to add to them is the Noble's ability to direct the domain turns, as their third ability.
>>43999624I was about to say that that doesn't work in the Dune Universe, but reading the fluff introduction, it totally does.
>>43999739The only disadvantage to playing a Twisted Mentat, is that I get the sense that they're considered disposable assets. I think the Baron had more than one back-up Piter ready to go.
>>43999751Thanks--I'm glad you think so. I did have to rely on the Encyclopedia for some of the way it structures CHOAM and the Landsraad, to make it make sense. I think the timeframe actually screws with some of the equipment, like the shigawire readers and the bat-transponders the fremen use. But that seemed hand-wave-worthy.
>>43999771Plus the political downside. They were on Bene Tlielax, so no one trusts them. I think they'd be sorta looked down on, in polite company. Like if your house was hosting a fete, you wouldn't want your mentat seen by your guests.
>>43996638It's a boring setting, that had a few interesting story told in it.And a lot of shoehorned in elements. Yes, the shields would be ONE example.
>>43998383Probably the 2nd worst, but still fine. Better than most other sci-fi out there, and still better then Children.Gets really weird in the end though.
>>43999832What is with the hate for Children of Dune? It's my favorite.
It's because Dune had a really dry setting.
>>43999790>Hosting a dinner party to celebrate your newest CHOAM directorship>Suddenly, your twisted mentat comes in >He's covered in blood, he has sapho stains around his lips, the blue within blue eyes of a spice addict, and huge eyebrows. I don't see what could go wrong.
>>43999841I'm not saying your taste is bad, but CoD is just not a real novel. It just doesn't work as one, it's a thankfully short, exposition heavy set up for God Emperor. Questions that have already been raised are being streamlined, the old cast of characters tied off and highlighted which one of the new ones will appear later and why.It works better as a prologue than a self contained book, but even as a prologue it would be weirdly badly structured. But I love it. I love it for being the spring board for the best book in the series.
there are no individuals that relatable. Neither is There aren't teams of mixed classes going on adventures. I really didn't want to be Paul, a stinky fremen, or a bloated harkonen, let alone a bald sister. And they'll never work together. Compare with Star wars, Lord of the Rings, Marvel/DC. Interesting mixed relatable character classes going on fun adventures.
>>43999867But the eyebrows are kinda sexy--let's be real.
>>43999888honestly, this might just be the exhaustive answer.
>>43999890I can't handle the eyebrows
>>43999888The way I see it, every single character in a Dune party MUST have the same allegiances(or pretend to share them)But with factions like the Bene Gesserit, they're loyal only to themselves.
>>43999897It's not. If you can't build an adventure around a noble and his entourage, then you should get the fuck out of the business of GMing.
>>43999920But the Bene Gesserit aren't loyal only to their sisterhood. They are deeply loyal to the houses that they're attached to. They're just also loyal to the sisterhood. Some of them, like Mohiam, work full-time at the Bene Gesserit and so don't have any household allegiance. But the ones who are wives and mothers? There's no reason to assume they were disloyal--they just also had their own goals. Fundamentally, the Bene Gesserit's goal was to keep peace and make the human race better. They weren't bad guys.
>>43999921this isn't about RPG playing, it's about system building. That it doesn't offer a good hook for adventuring might be the reason why no system has been built around an adventuring party. What would be needed, not to run a game in Dune, but to make it worthwhile to make a whole system around it, would be a house-approach like the Game of Thrones game or like >>43999624 attempted based on a base game that doesn't support player factions beyond simple commands between sessions.And that's a niche market that not many games have breached, so there, that might be the answer to why nobody has tried it yet.What would you say is the reason, if not that?
>>43999952No, that reasoning I can totally get down with, which is why I'm working on that .pdf.>Neither is There aren't teams of mixed classes going on adventures. Was the part I took umbrage with.
>>43998297>>43997819Suave, scheming, queerer than a three-dollar-bil Baron Harkonnen > giggling madman Baron Harkonnen.
>>43999952This gives me an idea.Why not make a Dune rpg that uses the same system as the Song of Ice and Fire rpg?
>>43999988Cuz I never learned it.
>>43997608If I had to do a Dune RPG it'd be in the same manner as the ASOIAF one. You are a small noble house, you're not particularly powerful but you have a seat on the Landsraad and aren't renegade. You must grow your house through fair means or foul.
>>43999976That Baron is far more accurate to the book.But Lynch's Baron has sentimental value to me.
>>44000025What was even the point of going renegade, anyway?
>>44000039some character designs were okay though, creepy child Alia was just perfect
>>44000064Duke Leto discussed it, that he had the choice of walking into an obvious trap that'd be likely to end up with him, his family and all his loyal retainers dead or else he'd have to disobey a direct order from the Emperor which was treason so the only option left was to go renegade or gamble on surviving the trap. something similar could also happen to other houses and some of the might choose for safety over honor
>>43997225pretty sure its just you buddy. go on back to playing dnd
>>44000068I don't understand why the Stillsuits don't cover the head. Scalp perspiration seems like a very easy way to lose water.
>>44000064Renegade houses retired to Tupil.
>>44000102they do in the books, they cover everything but the eyes when properly in use its just film makers choose not to do it that way to keep their main characters recognizable
>>44000123I thought that was defeated houses
>>44000102were they described as black in the books? It seems stupid to have them be black.
>>44000138going renegade is basically admitting defeat without getting exterminated in the process
>>44000141I thought they were black but they wore jedi robes over them
>>44000064There wasn't 'a point' to it really, it was essentially a tableflip. Basically the Emperor uses his power to keep the Landsraad stamped down, eliminating unruly houses. A house would sometimes see this coming and would occasionally choose to get the fuck out of dodge before anything could happen, selling up assets to get it, its wealth and its atomics out of the Emperor's reach. It's basically running away, it's an option I'd leave the players but it's basically implied to be an endgame so I wouldn't start them there.
>>44000126They don't cover the palms of the hands. Kynes specifically mentions this as it's the largest source of moisture loss in a stillsuit.
>>44000185ah yeh sorry I forgot about that, still they cover as much as possible while still remaining practical
>>44000185They actually mention THAT in the book too, Kynes I think it is states that a lot of Fremen choose to coat their hands in something that closes the pores like alum does (if anyone remembers what just put me out of my misery) rather than wear the gloves that come with the stillsuit, they consider the loss of moisture to sometimes be an acceptable trade off for better dexterity.
>>44000226Derp, thought you meant their costumes int he film rather than the book.
>>43997778Jesus, man. Have you ever heard of punctuation? We use it for a reason. Your post war really hard to read.
>>43996710I don't think that's true anymore desu senpai. At least the first book's setting (which is honestly the most interesting and gameable) is very much in the mold of Game of Thrones, one of the most wildly popular series ever. Admittedly, Dune doesn't have the same amount of tits, gore and rape to keep the critics interested, but the basic premise of it being about emotionally complex people caught in a political spider web where the outcomes are unpredictable has proven pretty popular and digestable. Hell, Dune #1 follows half the frigging characters Game of Thrones does. I think modern audiences can take it. The philosophy might drag a little, but the basics are easy to grok.
>>44000226Pretty sure it was creosote.
>>44000253main difference is that the characters in Dune tend to be more complex as well as a setting that is a lot more "alien" somewhat related but I wonder if HBO made a Dune series what'd it be like
>>44000261Yeah it was. I typed all that up and then remembered they rub their hands in creosote and also realised that the guy i was disagreeing with was talking about the same thing I was.#1 poster in all of 4chan.
>>43998386The books state it has a cinnamon-esque smell and taste.
>>43998449>Verne is not part of steampunk: its just good old victorian scifiWhat is steapunk if not victorian sci-fi ?Your answer better not contain the word "cog".
>>44001483the suffix punk implies a conflict between human and technology. Verne showed technology mostly in a positive light, without any negative consequences for the standart of living or anything really.>inb4 but Nemo used technology to sink ships!
>>44001508>the suffix punk implies a conflict between human and technology.That would be the result of dystopia more than -punk, I think. And punk ideology is more about the contestation of established order and individualism than refusal of technology.Also, about Verne's work with a focus on the dangers of science and the opposition of science and nature :Blockade Runners, Keraban the Inflexible, Floating City, Robur the Conqueror & Master of the World, Invasion of the Sea, Facing the Flag, Carpathain Castle,...
>>44001508No it doesn't, punk is about power dynamics. It's about sticking it to The Man, about opposing the corrupt rulers of a setting even tho you're going to lose because they outclass you in every regard.
>>44001921Well then Verne isn't Steampunk, is he?
>>44002857Not even the Baron would eat that.
>>44001483Steampunk is a modern take on Victorian sci-fi.They are differentiated for the same reasons as Neoclassical art and classic art.
>>44002923Nope. He's Science Romance, a genre that has pretty much died out. "Steampunk" would be something like Oliver Twist, or playing a gang of revolutionaries / terrorists in Tsarist Russia or something.
>>44002926The Baron had shit taste in Melange then.
>>44002949Is there actually anything like that though? It seems to me that people just say steampunk to mean a lot of brass and steam powered stuff in a setting without considering the wider themes at work.
>>44003114>Is there actually anything like that though?http://www.forgottenfutures.com/Science Romance was a major genre, Conan Doyle, Verne and Kipling all wrote such works.People who use steampunk as an aesthetic idea rather than a genre one are the worst kind of people. I suggest you avoid them.
Is there any reason why a flamethrower can't beat a shield?
>>44003929A nice big shield like a Roman one or a modern riot shield would do pretty well against a flamethrower.
>>44004029You know what I mean
>all of this good Dune discussion
Who owns the license to dune right now? I'm surprised Fantasy Flight doesn't have it.
>>43997748Thanks, but that is a very poor scan. Compare it to the preview at 4shared. Too bad, I cannot download anything there.
Has Dune actually lost all market appeal? Has the values of Dune shifted away so much from our own, that the layman wants nothing to do with it? >Feminist, but anti-feminist at the same time. >Slavery>You need to know at least 6 or 7 concepts about the setting to properly understand it. >Imperial/Feudal gov't >Eugenics>Anti-technology, but pro-technology at the same time>Fighting is heavily underplayed >No other races besides humans to play as.>Fremen could be seen as a "problematic" depiction of Arabs.
>>44004395It's more that it's been done several times and always been a failure. The books just don't make good movies, just like Tolkien.
>>44004503I think Dune could work as two movies. >1st movie: The fall of House Atreides on Arrakis>2nd movie: Paul and Jessica joining with the Fremen, and rebelling against the Harkonnens. Dune:Messiah as a completely optional 3rd movie. But cramming everything into one movie? Cannot work. Even the extended Lynch cut that's 3 hours long takes two hours to get to House Atreides falling.
>>43997836Transhumanists liking Dune? Aren't most of the things they like super forbidden taboos in the Dune universe, which the oracular word-of-god visions say were guaranteed to eradicate all life in all universes forever and ever?
>>44004859The Tleilaxu creations like Gholas are used by the Imperium. For the mechanical side, Ixian machines saved humanity. By using Ixian navigation computers, mankind no longer needed the spacing guild, and scattered out into the cosmos I think the most anti-transhuman the setting got was when Leto II banned the Mentat order.
>>44004395The books are relatively dense and none of the adaptations really took off.
On a related note, why hasn't anyone made a Metabarons/Incal RPG??The universe is fucky enough for lots of playing around
>>44004908What I mean is: transhumanists are really into merging man and machine to get immortality and/or superpowers.Except spice junkies in Dune can literally see the future, and what the best spice junkies see is "you will make self-replicating Terminators with spaceships and prescience and they will kill everything, so you can't be trusted to do anything at all". That's the fundamentally anti-transhumanist core of Dune.The point of God Emperor was that he had to be a merciless immortal bastard to keep that navigation computer from existing until humanity was primed to survive its existence (spice-invisibility, plus hating the God Emperor so badly that they STFU and GTFO in every direction without leaving contact info). Also, that happens to block a potential Dune TRPG out of some interesting parts of the chronology. The God Emperor was the ultimate railroading That DM.
>>44005611In dune, ships can move much farther than 10cm
>>43996638Lets be honest, Dune would be a game about politics, and deeper politics than just hiding a secret. It's about super geniuses manipulating each other, social combat so complex it makes Exalted's look like ebonics. Neckbeards aren't good with social skills, thus Dune isn't a big thing in the realm of tabletop gaming
>>44005860Anon has clearly never been in an ebonics battle
>>44005970Is there a system out there to model rap battles?
>>44005860It's not even the neckbeards that make it not work. I mean, like, there are board games with additional backstabbing, and these are fairly popular among normals. Dune makes the boardgame/TRPG non-backstabbing mechanic side kinda difficult though. The lasgun/shield thing makes D&D/40k-like minis-on-a-grid/map style stuff not work as well, and the setting's political control structures make the storytime worldbuilding aspect not work as well. The same things that make the setting relatively stable in the books (before Paul at least) enforce a certain level of stagnation in a game. Like, you can't just take a planet, because you can never get space/air superiority, because the Guild will ship anyone there who pays and that includes the other guy. You can't corner the spice market because it's already controlled. You can't R&D your way out of a rut because it's controlled, and taboo, and grounds for everyone turning on you or banning you from space. You can't do anything secretly that the Emperor doesn't like because he'll just as secretly loan the other guy some supersoldiers. You can't even train up your own troops past a certain skill/loyalty threshhold, because look wtf he did to the Atreides for trying.Basically you have to throw it all out and start over and then it's only vaguely Dune-ish.
>>43998527Because some nerds decided everything about scifi had to be "hard"
>>43996800I thought Duncan Idaho was black.
>>44006666>BlackAs if the Bene Gesserit would allow an underspecies to exist.
>>43996998No, he's a precognitive sorcerer-emperor destroying all who challenge him.Completely different.
>>43996812>Through the Salt, the Mahdi was transmogrified from the rebel duke of a devastated and hunted house to the emperor of a thousand thousand worlds.That really is pretty blatant.
>>43999912I've never understood why Lynch's mentats have such huge fucking eyebrows.
>>44007630Because he wanted them to have huge eyebrows.
In the future, this is the only instrument around.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuBSvNtlAq8
>>44005860One of the creators of the RPG said that one adventurer could be the players going to Arrakis to clear out the booby traps in advance of the Atreides arriving.
>>44010221It's more dignified than being the squeegee team that cleans up the spice residue of a guild navigator.
>>44008408The fuck is that?
>>43998847>Another issue is that precognition is extremely hard to implement as a game mechanic. Either the GM has to railroad to an extent that may diminish the enjoyment of the game, or precognitive powers end up being reduced to something like a general +1 modifier to rolls, removing most of the flavor of it. Same thing with mentat powers; if a character's defining trait is hyper-intelligence but the player is just an ordinary person, it's hard to make that work in a roleplay context.GURPS has a couple mechanics that are good for this. Essentially, they've added a couple of advantages that grant you limited retcons and coincidences to represent "All According To Plan" precog skills. So you get into a fight, lose, and then are imprisoned. One of the PCs has precog and makes the roll, and succeeds. She pulls out a key for the prison cell because she knew all along that this would happen and had the key secreted on her person before she left her quarters. It's a rule allowing you to play a sherlock holmes type. Or someone like Xanatos or Batman, someone who's so insanely good at planning and manipulating that the character outwits his own player and has a response already prepared and waiting.
>Either the GM has to railroad to an extent that may diminish the enjoyment of the gameThis was kind of the entire curse of precog in the series. Get precog, suddenly your entire life is railroaded and there's nothing you can do but hold on for the ride or wander into the desert.
>>44005622>What I mean is: transhumanists are really into merging man and machine to get immortality and/or superpowers.Not necessarily. There are many transhumanist formulations. Some support digital uploading. Some want cybernetics. Some want biomodification. And some want genemods. Bruce Sterling's shaper-mechanist stories give you a good starting point. It's a very early transhumanist series from a former cyberpunk luminary. You've got the biotech Shapers vs the cybernetic Mechanists, fighting a cold war over which technology (and the attendant philosophies, political structures, and other cultural baggage that come along with them) will define the future of mankind. Eventually the Shaper-Mechanist split is resolved when both sides shatter and a million subfactions emerge, each with their own increasingly narrow template for the ultimate human... but also increasingly irrelevant as people realize that there is no one final template that's going to emerge.
>>44012559Gargantia on the Verdurous World has a similar split, although the details of it don't become apparent until near the end of the series.The author's position is that both sides are fucking awful, but at least the machine users remain recognizably human.
>>44004351Might as well swap it out I guessI'll replace it within the hour
>>43997789this game is fucking awesome.i'd rather play this than dune: it's medeival garbage-punk in space...with broadsides...
>>43996981PCs could be agents carrying out the will of Muad'Dib himself (eventually, not right away), he is precognitive, but still needs foot soldiers and operators.
God damn this thread makes me wish I was playing in a game like Dune.
>>44004395>>No other races besides humans to play asThis was only a problem to me when I was younger and poorly educated about history. Humanity has such a wide array of features, phenotypes, temperaments, upbringings/cultural backgrounds. Demihumans are good to illustrate aesthetic differences though, or if DM/players are squeamish about "racism".
>>43996981>it could take place during Emperor Paul Muad'Dib's reignWho would you play as? The Fremen? What would you even do? Slaughter innocent people because of reasons? Get slaughtered? Also because of reasons.
>>44004636Didn't you ever hear about the Dune miniseries? It was still a truncated Dune, but it covered way more ground than the Lynch movie. It was also several hours long.And there was the miniseries called Children of Dune that was actually Messiah and Children.
>>44013489You could play a Fremen, but you could also play as one of the factions plotting against Paul, like the Tleilaxu
>>44004395>No other races besides humans to play as.To me that's actually a selling point.
>>43996638I goat say, the uniforms of the Houses in this version of Dune were damn sexy.Though that might just be the Stewart Effect.
>Dune Tabletop>Play House Atreides servants during the Harkonnen occupation>Stationed in the Keep>Have to keep your true nature hidden from the Harkonnen while serving them or die horribly>Spend your free time just fucking with them and throwing blame on other people to remove the real loyalists
>>44003929Nope, it would actually be relatively effective. The accelerant wouldn't stick to the shield, but while the shield can block solid objects and would probably turn away the jet of burning fuel, the wearer would still be subjected to the temperature of the flame, and they wouldn't be able to breath with all of the fire and smoke. I imagine it would be a pretty horrific way to go.
>>44013644>every action you take in the desert has a 1d20 chance of summoning a sandworm to eat everything within twenty meters of you
>>44013692But could the guy using a flamethrower use it while firing a Holtzman shield?
>>44013920Assuming the accelerant doesn't move much faster than a thrown knife or the tip of a swung sword it should pass through both shields unhindered.
>>44013974That's like .5MPH
>>44004029Except that it is now on fire so continuing to hold it is a pretty risky proposition.
>>44013974>Assuming the accelerant doesn't move much faster than a thrown knife or the tip of a swung sword it should pass through both shields unhindered.I do recall it being specifically mentioned that a quickly swung sword cannot penetrate a shield, everything's done very slowly.
Improved scan has been uploadedhttp://www.mediafire.com/download/0cym0c3m08q77v0/Dune+RPG+%28ICON+2000%29+-+Core+Rulebook.pdf
>>44013696>While in the desert, a trained character can move without attracting sandworms moving normal speed. They will not engage in a forced march for their own safety. If untrained or forced to move quickly, players risk attracting sandworms. >Since an unexpected sandworm will mean the death for an unprepared party, give the players a single "close call" with the sandworms after engaging in "prey" actions (1 hour of Forced March, 2 hours of improper overland move, repeating physical skill rolls, using firearms or explosives, ETC.) Beyond that, a sandworm will be called after 2d4 "prey" actions. Roll a d10+5 to determine how far away the worm surfaces in kilometers; If the players have not thrown off the worm or escaped the desert surface by that time, they are, barring rather daring intervention, swallowed whole.
>>44013692Yeah but flamethrowers at least in real world physics/chemistry suck and we don't use them anymore for a reason. Even when we did use them it was only for clearing out heavily defended bunkers, something that grenades can do. Also there is the issue of fuel. The amount of fuel even a dedicated flamethrower user could feasibly carry is enough for like a minute total of flame time. The range is terrible too, less of a problem in a setting where everyone is using swords, though. And it is a pretty big assumption to assume even smoke would go through Dune tier shields. If they block relatively large projectiles like bullets, why would they not also block tiny particles like smoke?
>>44014733Shields block things with a certain speed and kinetic force if I remember right, otherwise oxygen would be denied.
>>44014733>why would they not also block tiny particles like smokebecause it's not fast enough to be blocked.
>>44014316Thanks, that is readable, and searchable.
>>44015105Oxygen cant go through shields though, they specifically state that your pretty much holding your breath when a shields on and you have to drop it to get fresh air in the bubble.
>>43999739The Encyclopedia is great, I think I have a copy lying around here somewhere.
>>44017148here's a pdfhttp://www.mediafire.com/download/dsn2sadfmm46kz7/The+Dune+Encyclopedia.pdf
>>44017182Thank you kind anon.
>>44013425Get that overhyped, pretentious piece of shit out of here.
>>44017996Anon clearly hasn't read Metabarons
>>44018490>>44020354>Conversation about failed adaptations of one of the greatest works of science fiction literature ever written>lemme talk about comic booksSnooze button.
>>44020354What the actual shit is going on therealso>paleo-fantasies
>>44020435>Wants to talk about "failed adaptations of one of the greatest works of science fiction literature ever written">Doesn't know history of that failed adaptation
>>43996638>No vehicle to vehicle combat because of shields>No lasguns because of shields>No air support because of shields >No space battles because of shieldsbut if someone got the bright idea of using remote controlled drones with las weapons that would make it more dangerous than not to have shields right?
>>44020913They would probably get jihaded
>>44020855Because who cares. Which was the point, by the way: not wanting to talk about it.
>>44020354Metabarons = Dune
>>44012499This mostly affected just Paul and Leto, though. None of the regular joe schmoe precogs were ever potent enough to define the course of all history in their visions. You could probably get away with neglecting it in an RPG.
>>44015105>>44017067I could have sworn the ones in the book didn't affect gas, so I took a quick glance at the wiki, which says "Shields can be calibrated to permit the passage of matter below given speeds. This is vital in personal defense shields, as one would suffocate within a shield that did not admit atmospheric gasses."
>>44021571What's stopping someone from slapping on an air supply and cranking down the maximum speed?
>>4399776040k stole so much inspiration from Dune that simply reskinning any of the FFG RPGs with a few tweaks would make a perfectly serviceable Dune RPG set anytime after the events of the first book.
>>44021801You'd probably become frictionless, and slide around like an idiot.
>>44024839Hey, so long as I'm not being stabbed or shot.
>>44024866And if your shield was on maximum, wouldn't that just make it a "neutral" zone?
>>43996638Im currently GMing a Dune campaign using Burning Sands Jihad. The setting is very good for roleplaying if you and your players knows alot about all the background stuff.
>>44021870The problem is that Dune concern other things than 40k. Reskinning another system might work but then take something that better fits the mood of Dune.
>>44025321What are they in the campaign?
>>44025893They are 3 jihadis infiltrating a manufacturing world belonging to a house minor with strong ties to the former imperial throne and to Ix.One of them is playing a fanatic saboteur skilled in stealth and close quarter combat.One plays an old and persuasive Fedaykin who is attempting to win some of the disgruntled factory workers over to the side of the ihadist.The last guy plays a more persuasive infiltrator planning on uncovering the movment and power structure of Ix so that they can destroy them.Quite fun so far.
>>43996638Wait a second, was that the same actor as captain Picard?
>>44026236Patrick Stewart, yep.
>>44026287Ahh thanks anon.Now I have a strong urge to watch the movie then the mini series again. That OST. That Nina Nurashi.
I'm surprised nobody has suggested a shadowrun style game. You're disposable assets for the houses of CHOAM to use in their jockeying against each other.Infiltrating a rival houses research lab to sabotage the new strain of grain they plan on using. Stealing plans for a shield-piercing weapon that uses two stage ammo. Flushing out a tleilaxu face dancer, or being used by one. Hunting down a Fremen naib who has been a persistent thorn.You could have a soldier, or a zealot, or even a disgraced Bene Gesserit (or is she? ). A vat grown PC with skills he doesn't know why he has or who ordered him. A cast down noble living on the fringe trying to get by or maybe get revenge.Just throwing stuff out. But it would be awesome to play a Bene Gesserit acolyte or someone who had their training and halfway through make them a midboss/npc who was keeping an eye on or directing or using the party.
I would have thought because apart from Dune the planet and things directly revolving around it, very little of the universe is fleshed out in the popular consciousness.Making Dune the only place spice can be produced, and therefore the most important place by an enormous margin means everything happens in the same place.
>>44014733i have news for you....flamethrowers are still used by military vehicles used by militaries that didn't take the 1991 version of the geneva....
>>44004270That seal isn't correct anymore, Shoggy started the AGP thread.
>>44021003Clockwork rapid-fire lasgun aimed in your direction.
>>44027345I really doubt the effectiveness of remote-controlled things in Dune.The Hunter-Seeker that attacked Paul was controlled by a very nearby Harkonnen
YES. DUNE THREAD.>Is it the shields? How the hell is a setting that has a reason for close combat, space magic AND giant monsters not have a cult following?>>No vehicle to vehicle combat because of shields>No lasguns because of shields>No air support because of shields >No space battles because of shieldsYou're thinking about it wrong. Dune isn't scifi, its fantasy in space.>>43996710>I don't think there's ever been a licensed rpg put outYou think wrong, they were just never marketed well, and Dune isn't a very big/very well marketed series, and is also rather... Niche. Look up "Dune: Chronicles of the Imperium". I tried to load the PDF, but the file is too big.
>>44030235How can Dune be NIche, but be considered a backbone of sci-fi at the same time?
>>43999976>>44000039>>44000068>>44000102I absolutely adored the scifi channel miniseries. Everyone bitched about the the clothing designs , but as a mishmash of historic and high fashion- all about conspicuous consumption- its perfect. The action and story are well presented too.
>>43996638>No lasguns because of shieldsif you got lasguns, the last thing you want to be using are shields.lasguns and shields have a very bad reaction when they hit each other.
>>44030459Which is exactly why Lasguns aren't widely used in the setting.
>>44030396The sci fi series completely blew the one thing it coulda done that Lynch didn't have the ability to, because of no CG. It should have demonstrated the countless hordes of Fremen. Also, its Baron is just fucking terrible. It did a few things better, and I very-much like the sets. But it blew it with the battles, hard.
>>44030517Not like the Lynch version battles of Fremen shoutingCHAAA-DAMor MUUUAAAD'DIIIIBOver and over again was any better. Or Feyd-Rautha screamingI WILL KILL HIM
>>44030611No, that's my point: SciFi's had the chance to do way better and didn't take it up. It coulda filled that hole in Lynch's version. But they kinda punted it.
>there will never be a SciFi miniseries of God Emperor of Dune
>>44030517I liked the miniseries Baron. He was maliciously amusing.
>>44030822thing is, they'd have to get a pretty great actor for Leto, otherwise that entire character falls flat
>>44030882Vin Diesel seems more like a candidate for Duncan Idaho
Couldn't you just fire a missile with a lasgun on it timed to fire at a certain time to blow up a ship in a nuclear explosion?
>>44031057Yes. And to do so would be a violation of the great convention. Which no one would be crazy enough to do because the entire rest of the universe would turn your planet into glass.
>>44031057>Couldn't you just fire a missile with a lasgun on it timed to fire at a certain time to blow up a ship in a nuclear explosion?yes, but then there are unintended consequences, like the Navigator's guild refusing to provide service to you or your ships following that stunt.
>>44031057great, you've just blown up a shipas a result the spacing guild now cuts all contact with you and everything involving you, that means your entire fief is now completely and utterly isolated and all your offworld possessions can be taken at will by anyonealso if someone were to say, claim your domain the guild would likely offer them a mighty discount to ferry troops in your directioncourse that's assuming the blast doesn't look to much like a nuclear blast in which case the nobles assume you actually used a nuke, violated the great convention and use their house atomics to turn the planet you're currently inhibiting into a nice spherical glass pearl
>>44031137That's why leto was so cool. If the Spacing guild was NUH UH infinity, he was NUH UH infinity+1
>>44031180to be fair, it was Paul who figured out how to grab them by the their non existent ballsThe stunt he pulls off at the end of the book is just fantastic, he essentially called the bluff of literally everyone in the galaxy at the same time
>>44031236Well no: he bluffed everyone in the galaxy and they didn't call his.
>>44031285The Fremen can keep living a tribal lifestyle on Arrakis. There is no drawbacks to Paul Muad'Dib destroying all spice production on Arrakis. Without Melange, billions of people will die from spice withdrawal, including the Emperor. Without Melange, the Spacing Guild navigators will die, and that means no space-folding, isolating the entire fiefs of the Imperium from each other. Without Melange, the means no more Liquor of Life, which means no more reverend mothers for the Bene Gesserit. So they had no choice. Calling his bluff would have destroyed the Imperium.
>>44031285he bluffed everyone else but at the same time called their bluff as well like how everyone should have glassed Arrakis when he used nukes but instead they all jumped at the technicality he offered because they were shitscared to actually use their hand
>>44031363Yes: that was the bluff--you have correctly identified it.
>>44031409But the Imperium couldn't act on his threats. I mean, I guess they didn't know that sand worms made melange. So they would have died anyway, in that case
>>44031409I'd say the bluff was also the rest of the galaxy threatening the use of their house atomics and him forcing them into a situation to either use it and destroy themselves or else refuse to use them and destroy their own credibility forever was the calling of said bluff
>>44031442sandworms don't make melange, sandtrout doessandworms are essentially a byproduct some renegade fremen actually sold sandworms to be shipped to other planets, but because they were introduced in an environment without the necessary other factors (sandtrout and sandplankton) they could never ever mature and died quicklyrest of the galaxy didn't know about that they just saw giant sandworms and assumed that must be the cause
>>44031477It wasn't--that wasn't part of the equation.
Dune had some giant gaps in technology considering, or maybe Herbert never considered them because they didn't exist at the time.>Not finding the chemical makeup of spice and artificially creating it>Not coping the genes that allow spice waste in Worms into something more manageable that can be farmed. Like Cows, cows with spice milk.
Fantasy Flight apparently is working on getting the rights to the Dune franchise for gaming and miniatures.They've already contracted out a few test sculpts, but those could have just been to show their capabilities to the rights holder.
>>44031559It's possible that spice is a demi-stable compound that cannot be viably manufactured because you'd have to build it atom by atom.It really doesn't matter since, Frank writes into the series that a couple (hundred?) thousand years later, no one needs spice anymore.
>>44031559The Bene Tleilaxu eventually do synthesize spice >>44031625Who holds the rights?
>>44031559Well he did, because synthetic spice was eventually manufactured. And when the Tlielax did eventually put it inside something else to produce, it wasn't so much cows as human women that they milked for it. Well, human-ish.
>>44031627It could also be that absence of computers has hindered complex chemistry
>>44031559genetic technology was pretty much exclusive to the Tleilaxu and they DID eventually find a way to do it, but only after the events of god emperorhowever you gotta realize sandworms are alien creatures, they probably don't even have DNA, and almost nobody knew it wasn't the worms that created the spice, it was the sandtrout, by the time that came out Paul had already established his empire and following him there was Leto and trying to create artificial spice without him knowing would have been impossible
>>44031559>Spice Cattle Farms>The series now about Atreides and Harkonnen fighting over running the Emperor's cattle ranch>Cowboys everywhere>The greatest space western never written
>>44031682It kinda went a bit more /d/. Forget spice-cows. It was spice-cow-women.
>>43998251as a teenager that scene was extremely hard to read
>>44031647I'd say everything human about the tanks begins and ends with their genetic code
>>44031665Wasn't it suggested somewhere that the worms were an engineered species anyways?
>>44031733Eh. We never get a clear description of them. In my mind, they're basically giant uteri with vestigial body parts attached, here and there. Like a flipper here and there, and some body parts that are the leftover skull where the exposed brains are tinkered with to get them to properly tinker with the thing growing inside.
It really says something about Dune, when the Tleilaxu are still one of more sympathetic factions, compared to everyone else.
>>44031753They were introduced to Arrakis, but there's no suggestion that they're engineered.
>>44031753could be, their origin is left a bit vagueanyways if they were created say before the jihad it might have been impossible to recreate spice until after god emperor when society had yet another drastic shift this time in favor of technological advancement
>>43996638I always thought the shields were poorly thought out. Like in the first book why didn't the Baron just have his men set up a remotely controlled laser, clear out, and watch the fireworks from orbit? And if a remote laser us too robotty, just use a slave. Always seemed like a huge plot hole to me.
>>44030324I think its the prose and density. Think of LotR before the movies: Yes, it was was read and loved by fantasy nerds, but outside of them, it was "that book what has elves and midgets".>>44030517While I agree about the CGI and lack of numbers (which was purely budgetary), I will fucking fight you over you hating their take on the Baron.>>44030822Thanks for ruining my night.>>44030834Muh brother of a Fremen nature.
>>44033447Because to use a laser, you need to be unshielded. If you're unshielded, you're vulnerable. And if go around creating Holtzman-style atomic explosions, I think that the great houses would turn on you.
>>44033447Because searching the surroundings for clockwork-timed remote lasers is a thing that the Atreides scouts explicitly do in the book.
>>44033548>>44033447I think a more important question is why the Fremen weren't constantly pulling this shit on the Harkonnen. What are the great houses gonna do to them? Most of them never even heard of the Fremen and the ones that have think there's only a handful of them.
>>44033635Probably because Herbert wasn't thinking about it. But the Fremen don't really use lasers, I think. I recall Paul saying>Lasguns are finnicky and high-maintenance on Arrakis
>>44033548>>44033584>>44033635Fastest replies I've ever gotten on /tg/ lol.I think you're right, why didn't the Fremen ever do it? And why didn't the Harkonnen do it and blame it on the Fremen, and then retake control of Dune? Sure the Atreides would loom for tricky stuff like that, but it couldn't be to hard to do. I think it was just a poorly thought out excuse because Herbert wanted space swords.
>>44033789The Las-gun/shield thing was probably just a fluff excuse to keep cliche future weapons out of his setting. Same with the Great convention removing any standard scifi cliche technology he didn't want polluting his unique setting.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to homebrew Dune?I love the franchise and would want to run something in it with my friends, but am pretty new to rpgs
>>44005611>for an extra +5 points>extra +5 pointsBRAVO GW
>>43999624I'd run this t.b.h.
>>44005611Speaking of assault boats, I read during the Butlerian Jihad, astronauts in boats and swords boarded Thinking Machine ships.
>>44031574>Use no-shipsthen you 'aint leaving your home planet.it's just that simple. no navigator's guild, no FTL.Once the navigator's guild has black-balled you, you are stuck in whatever system you call home with no feasible means of leaving for other systems. You are stuck and you will lose any holdings you might've had outside your home system, and ultimately forgotten as some dumb-ass with more ego than good-sense.but hey, maybe in a few centuries, after the last of your family line dies, maybe contact will be reestablished with whatever noble house is ruling by then.
>>44034454So what did humanity use before the Navigators Guild and Spice became a thing?Did everyone slowboat everywhere or was there some now outlawed ftl computer?
>>44034534>was there some now outlawed ftl computer?This, IIRC.Thinking machines bad.
>>44034534>or was there some now outlawed ftl computer?yes. after the damned things went rogue all A.I's were outlawed including those FTL supercomputers. but trust me rebuilding skynet (assuming anyone on your planet even knows how) would be opening a whole new can of worms for yourself that would REALLY piss everyone off! Yeah you thought using Atomics was a bad idea? try building a working A.I.
>>44034622You use nukes, you'll get wiped.Build AI? You'll find that atomic annihilation is rather high on the list of "ways to go"
What are some good ideas for a Dune One-off?I don't want to use any battles from the books.
>>44035116Your group of conspiritors hear Paul is wandering around town in disguise at night. Your task is to find and assassinate him in a way that won't make him a martyr. Bonus: Minutes from unleashing your attack, someone sets off a Stone Burner in the middle of town. Survive the following purge.
>>44035188I already knew Paul got blinded, but I really need to finish Dune;Messiah
>Visit the Dune wiki to look up some stuff>Get sidelined into the Brian Herbert/Kevin Anderson stuff>Stumble onto the Oracle of TimeI don't even know where to begin with this marry sue motherfucker. This is just sickening.
>>44036612What about Oracle of time?
>>44036612>Oracle of TimeOnce upon a time there was an ugly dwarf girl that was also a super duper genius and worked as the assistant to Holtzman himself and secretly invented everything including a machine that killed all the bad robots but Holtzman stole the credit because he was jealous of her superbrain and her mother was a super sorceress wizard. One day the supergenius was kidnapped by more evil robots and tortured but she reached out and touched her hidden power and went supersaijin and became an all powerful supergenius goddess of such beauty that the evil robots all died and she went on to build the first improved fold engine but Holtzman stole the credit again so she ate a bunch of spice and became the first guild navigator so the humans could finish killing all the bad robots and now she's an immortal fairy in a bottle and all the guild navigators worship her like a goddess that she really is and she goes out and rescues people stranded in other dimensions and hangs out with Duncan Idaho because he's super cool and then she gathered up all her guild navigator followers and appeared in the middle of a battle and killed all the new and improved evil robots and while Duncan revealed himself to be the one true Christmas-Hatrack while she teleported the evil supermind robot Omnius into another dimension where he couldn't hurt nobody and ended the great battle and saved all humanity for ever and ever.
>>44036725Sounds awful. I heard that Kevin Anderson dictates to himself while he hikes, and subcontracts someone to write what he dictated. "Dicta-hiking"
>>44017996You're really calling something out for being pretentious in a thread all about Dune?