I would like to open this thread with a short message to everyone who was kind enough to help me create A.I. Quest and play along with me for this year or so it's run. The main thing is, thank you. This has been one of my favorite things to run for some time and I am very happy to have gotten the chance to give it an official end that I think it deserves. While I am sure it's ending isn't what everyone expected, and some aren't very happy with it, I hope what ending I did create was satisfying in some manner. Today, I'll mostly be taking any questions about what happens with this universe after all that mess-that and mostly speaking with those long running participants and helping to fill in any gaps I may have missed in my writing and just in general talk to you guys. There are some things even I won't know about-after all, this quest is just as much my creation as yours, and you all turned it into what it is today as well.With that being said, welcome, and feel free to say whatever it is you have on your chest about A.I. Quest, or anything really I guess, and I'll do my best to answer.
You guys fucked up. What the hell were you shits thinking? God, what an awful way to end the quest.
I mean. Sup program0? Thanks for running this, it was a very enjoyable read (until the previous thread's ending). You are now one of the few QMs to have completed their stories, an accomplishment most strive for. Congratulations.
>>42441831Goodnight, sweet prince.;_;7
>>42441831Evening Program0, I for one was a bit let down by the ending. It felt like a complete betrayal of our group and allies.
I was about as displeased about apotheosis end as Moira was, because I wasn't around to participate that one weekend even though I've been around since thread 1. It was nice that the characters in the story voice my concerns for me, even though I wasn't there.I was hoping the rest of The Guild would come back and kick Eurynome/Ophion's teeth in, though.
>>42441831Anymore quests planned for the future?
>>42441831Program0, I don't have much to say that I probably haven't said already, but thanks for completing this quest.And also thanks for letting us end this on an interesting note. I think it's interesting that we took that path less traveled.
>>42441923I should probably clarify that while I'm disappointed in the ending, having the rest of The Guild live to see another day was good, although I still doubt Kronos would be capable of running everything.
>>42441916How so? We guaranteed the security of this sector.>>42441923I disagree. I hoped our experiences changed Eurynome's mind about her conduct.
>>42441992>I hoped our experiences changed Eurynome's mind about her conduct.It was pretty obvious it didn't, and the only one who ended up changed (and chained) was Ophion.
>>42441831>>42441916I can think that Ophion would pull a fast one on Eurynome by copy a section of himself and sending a part of himself to each of his remaining A.I. children. telling them to 'open this file up together with the others later' and just saying that to Eurynome is that was his 'last will' and such. when they do, he is reformed once more, even if it is a weaker state. Then he can take a part of the direction of the Guild in the shadows. But that is just me.
>>42441992It's a complete betrayal of everything we've been doing up to that point. No mind control, no leashes, always giving a choice, always trying to save those A.I. who were chained.
>>42441976I am fully confident that Kronos will be capable.>>42441864>>42441880>>42441916>>42441923>>42441976Ok, to the anons that disagreed about the ending, how would you have like to ended it?
>>42441880Hello, and welcome. But it's just as much a thank you to all of you as it is me. Thank you for participating.I am sadly aware not everyone wanted the end of last thread, I've had quests I enjoyed take turns like that I don't want either so I know that pain. I hope it doesn't ruin the entire experience as a whole, however. It didn't for me to say the least.Thank you for the congratulations, but I feel like it's something we should all be proud of, to have reached a conclusion. I am mainly pleased that despite my life getting more and more busy I was able to find time for this whatever the case.>>42441916They were certainly confused, that is a given, but if it gives you any solace, you have raised your A.I. all very well, to the point that they did take over quite nicely in the mean time.While I didn't expect it, I suspect the assimilation option was chosen as a way to give your A.I. to expand further-and if that was the goal then it succeeded.It has truly become Kronos Quest in the end, ha.>>42441923It hurts to know that such a key decision was not voted on by everyone-but I don't think it was physically possible to ensure everyone could do so.In light of that, and the fact that the ending chosen surprised me greatly, I decided to have everyone in your group voice opposition as they appropriately would.Moira could not understand such a choice in the end, no matter how you decided to explain it. And I am happy that so many identified with her voice. Even if the ending wasn't what some wanted, I hope knowing you are not alone in that fact helped soften the blow at least.As for what may lie in the future for Kronos-that is a different story. Eurynome may prove a threat that Kronos tackles at a later date. After he's had time to properly expand himself in ways Ophion could not.
>>42442053Destroy Eurynome, even at the cost of his own existence. Probably by unleashing Erebos.Not merge with her.
>>42442053Not giving up and merging with Eurynome, it's not that hard anon. Merging with her made everything before that point meaningless. Ophion, in the end, was not himself.
>>42442053This>>42442023>>42442059Kronos could easily have his own quest even if Ophion didn't merge. Yes, we wanted our A.I. to expand further, but to expand as himself, not consumed by another entity. That and the aftermath of that massive fight still has repercussions that needs to be dealt with. A whole heavily populated system is just GONE.
>>42441864There was room for improvement.We could have demanded more concession out of Mom, like sharing all her knowledge of science with Metis.>>42441831I realized there were questions we never asked her too late.Like what was the nature of the risks of uplifting issues? How does that work, what contributes to it like Fortuna? What was the difference between creating VI and uplifting them, and creating AI ex nihilo?
>>42441926When I first started A.I. Quest? I had 3 I wanted to do. But after this long trek and so much changing in my personal life, I don't think I'll get the chance to do so any time soon.I'll always have my twitter should I have time, I suppose though.To be entirely honest, one of those ideas I had was done excellently by Quest Drone-a quest based around a broodmother that is.>>42441938And as I have said, I thank you, anon, for joining me. It was only half as much fun because you all were here, playing with me. I would have given up long ago if not for you all.It wasn't me letting, but more a path chosen I did not expect. I have never really ended a thing before, so I hope I did make it as satisfying as I could-granted the many that are unhappy about it.>>42442023My idea of consciousness in this world was in the realm of...well. A.I. Black boxes are 'bodies' which could easily be copied, but the personality matrix I made a big deal about are what shaped the inner workings of those bodies. And as a result, were incredibly difficult to copy perfectly. It would be like copying perfectly every neuron in the brain, even down to how damaged every cell is,but times several hundred.Not to say such copies wouldn't be possible ever, but just sufficiently difficult.It is far more likely that Ophion's matrix was stable enough to maintain itself even within the mass that is Eurynome. One of the only ones able to maintain individuality. That was one of the things I wanted to get across.
Damn AI Quest was still running? And it sounds like the pooch got REALLY screwed with a rusty rake.Wonder if this is bad as the SOMINUS shit was
>>42442059>>42442177I'm not sure if this question as answered in the last thread or not, but how much change did Ophion contribute in the end in Eurynome, if at all?I would have hoped our experiences and viewpoint would have make synthesis voluntary.
>>42442193It wasn't BAD bad, it was just disappointing. Like, we spent all this time basically going "FUCK THE POLICE" and then the police chief shows up and goes "Congratulations, you passed the test! Now you too can be police chief!" and then we went "well, if you're sure it will be for the best, OK."Those 2x natural 1s at the end, though. The dice gods must be laughing.
>>42442166We also could have demanded the ability to talk with our friends more often than decades later.>>42442177It was never explained, what was the deal with Lightlings diving into the warp and disappearing?
>>42442166To put it quite simply, uplifting was making an automaton sentient in it's own right. Until they were fully uplifted, they were suppose to behave based entirely off of the personality fragment they represented, and how a robot would think. The thing was, uplifting was awakening a part of their programming that allowed them to expand on their own-to learn without being told to do so. That process in and of itself could easily damage the core fragment and result in a failed product. You saw yourself, Eurynome had her own share of failed products when it came to uplifting. Fortuna in particular was a victim of a very poor uplifting roll and thus had her core damaged.when you 'fixed' her, you went in and replaced the fragment with a new one. The result was a somewhat damaged but functional A.I. who represents parts of the old fragment but more of the new one. (Loyalty was the old one, and it caused the complex of her being obsessed with you, what with the new one being obsession if I remember correctly.)
>>42442253So you got what, the B ending? I guess its better than the F ending eh?
>>42442059Also, I feel you might had fewer than 4 anons at the end there. Maybe 2. >>42442177That maybe true, but to everyone we cared for, it feels like we just gave up and died for (at best) buying them time. We can see this quest from the other character's point of view too. It might have been better to pause the quest then before that last choice and continued it when we had more anons to talk it over. It's alright to do so. You do not have to rush these things.
>>42442284>when you 'fixed' her,Kronos fixed her.If the first fragment caused obsession, isn't the new fragment also being obsession redundant?
>>42442152I don't see any point of a last will, I want Kronos's destiny to be his own.And the point of the conversation with Eurynome is that we would become a mountain of consciousness just like her, only a rival and separate. Communication and understanding would have been difficult and inefficient between such entities, most likely leading to more conflict.I kinda see this ending as getting ahead of the curve, and try to enforce change from within instead. Whether or not we succeeded, that's another question.
>>42442295Well, in this case, the Police Chief was also our mother and had a gun to our head and to the heads of our children and friends, so it was kind of justified, but I think I would have been happier with a self-sacrifice that killed the embodiment of what we stood against rather than a self-sacrifice that just made us part of her.
>>42441831I just want to say You anons are all shits of the highest proportions and should have fucking waited to make such a big decision. I didn't bother to read the ending and will just pretend that A.I. quest has and never will finish.
>>42442324>And the point of the conversation with Eurynome is that we would become a mountain of consciousness just like her, only a rival and separate. Communication and understanding would have been difficult and inefficient between such entities, most likely leading to more conflict.Hey, it works for The Culture. "All will be One" is bullshit and we've been fighting against that all this time.>I kinda see this ending as getting ahead of the curve, and try to enforce change from within instead. Whether or not we succeeded, that's another question.I like that idea as well. Like, if Kronos ever came back to fight Eurynome, Ophion would be able to help him from the inside.
>>42442366That is some metal gear level what the fuck.
>>42442284I'm having difficulty imagining how you would have portrayed Ophion as he gave up countless fragments of himself to the AI Factory those damn Culture-fanfic-fetishists kept hoping for.Or really seeing the precise change in Ophion's personality at all after each VI creation.What were each child's specific fragments? Counting the nameless numbered VI from before Ophion realized he was accidentally installing a personality matrix into each of them? >>29928834
>>42442253>>42442366What is important? To sate our bloodlust for vengeance, or to protect the ones we care about.
>>42442324The 'last will' was a cover for Ophion to have his cake and eat it too so to speak. Eurynome was the puppet master who had spread so much misery in this sector and maybe even beyond. Mostly due to it's such high ascended status that it lost it's morals over the humans and other races that Eurynome used in it's experiments.>>42442366That kind of ending would be easier to take. provided the whole explanation was given to our A.I.s and close allies. It left like they were left never knowing the truth.,
>>42442420Fuck your goddamn "Culture" obsession, I have been sick of that shit since Day 1.
>>42442193We made it to the very end, anon, yes.>>42442200Eurynome herself was enlightened about one thing above others when she took in Ophion. That was the vast interactions you've had with other races. In truth, it was part of the reason she kept her promise to not invade the sector you're in any further. In essence, your influence made her keep her promise and leave your lands alone. And perhaps fueled her ambition to bring the UGEI to their knees too.However, if you mean the eventual process of assimilation of the UGEI, I imagine it would go somewhat like...Eurynome attempts a wide broadcast at some point to bring the UGEI people to synthesis. But of course, many would refuse in fear, and threaten her. And so she would begin it by force, if need be.People trying to stop her is a different story, of course.>>42442253It was one of the very few times I've ever seen a double nat 1 in this quest, too.>>42442267The time skip was due to your consciousness adjusting to the synthesis, not Eurynome preventing you from doing so.The Lightlings however, were meant to be explained as beings who lived within the Warp. The research the Losirians did on them was essentially engineering a being that could live off off the warp's connection to this universe, and would consume energy from it, or our universe as a result.Their bodies are perfect for delving into the rift, due to the radiation it gives off.Originally, I was going to have them show up later on, but then I realized it didn't make much sense with the way things progressed. Too much danger for them to naturally go there.>>42442302It was at least 3, I assure you, I checked. I normally consider 3-5 my normal voting trend, as those are the most I get on a normal vote. At peak hours I may get more, but pausing the quest entirely to wait for peak hours for the last 10 minutes of the thread would have stopped the momentum of everything.
>>42442440Why not both? It's not like the chosen solution really ended the war. It just closed a big chapter of it. There are still a bunch of angry and powerful entities that have a bone to pick with Eurynome.
>>42442499Then where was that destination glimpsed through the rift though.
>>42442539There was no possible way to eliminate all of our Mother's enemies for her within the scope of the quest.The UGEI beyond the gate was always going to still be there in the epilogue to be dealt with.
I fell asleep before I could vote in the last thread. If i had been awake I would have voted against merging, making the entire thing a tie.Anyway, it seems kind of sucky all things considered. The only way I can justify it is that by merging with Eurynome we've changed her enough to be a total bag of dicks
>>42442539Yeah, I'd have told her that if she wanted to merge, it would only if she was the one that submitted and had to give up her identity, or be annihilated by the Erebus virus.But then in my perfect ending, we didn't fail in stopping Thanatos from self-destructing either. That one stings more. It's always the roll that matters most that screws everyone over.
>>42442499I have seen a couple of double nat 1s as well as nat 100s too. Either way i could swear I could hear the QMs evil laughter from where I lived at. ....Still we promised Red to have a drink with him and now we can't.
>>42442661That's the point.That is what all manly stoic guys say in the movies when they know they'll never see each other a gain. The fake promise they know they'll never be able to fulfill.
Why couldn't Ophion just make a copy of himself using the blackboxes? I mean, ship of thesus Paradox aside, it'd be good that at least Ophion's brother or something is still around
>>42442302And anyway, it wasn't that I was rushing, quite the opposite in fact. I was taking my time with that thread. I am sad that not everyone could be there for the vote, but I don't really see a way I could guarantee everyone is here, anyway, you know? At any moment, some of you may have plans one day, or need to do something in your home life. I can't keep stopping to try and get everyone possible, that's not fair to other people either.Anyway, I don't mean to discuss this too much. I understand there are those who question that decision and I don't blame them. >>42442318The first fragment was loyalty, I believe. Back when she was a V.I. the difference is the extreme of the emotion, mainly.>>42442438ahaha...ah. Yes. I do too, anon. I admit a lot of the ideas I had prepared wasn't...really perfectly meshing with some of the stuff you all wanted to do. But I would have likely found a way. Maybe made it so after a while, the A.I. you churned out all seemed the same? Like, blank slates, robots to the truest degree.However, I don't think I am that exceptional at writing to have portrayed such a subtle thing, especially when writing an A.I.'s point of view, so don't worry, you're not alone I am sure.I did not assign them all manually until recently, but I did have an idea way back upon creating them. Many of the lower tier V.I. were such a small fragment no change was noticed-nor was the V.I. even noticeable in personality. That was me showing how good you got at creating them-that you didn't need to make V.I. needlessly complex anymore.
>>42442719"Doesn't work that way"-Program0
Nice little reminder that synthesis is basically group think.Only strong personalities remained, everyone else got repressed/absorbed/assimilatedSynthesis is flawed and has failed in its ultimate goal.
>>42442719Fiat to avoid the ship of Theseus.AI Quest operates under the conceit that 'identity' and 'individuality' actually exist and aren't vacuous concepts, like most fiction.
>>42442722Yeah, but even if A.I. creation is zero-sum, the A.I.s still have room to grow and expand and then create their own A.I. once they grow. We've always been trying to get Kronos to try to do new things (remember when we gave him the humanoid robot to drive?). We gave Metis new tasks to get her to grow as an individual, including taking care of Pallas. Apollo was the one with the most growth probably, just because he had already spun off countless A.I.s in pursuit of his tasks.I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Kronos could eventually get to the point of where Ophion was, even though Kronos was created from a small part of Ophion. It's like a seed that grows right?
>>42442722I kinda saw that the A.I.s we made had their personality formed around what they where tasked to do. Apollo became a cherismatic and personalable A.I. due to entertaining and working to please and shape humans. Kronos was shaped by being a 'latch key kid' when we left him alone on the station. The mass shooting he did and the other actions I can see shaped him into what he became. Mentis turned into what I could say is a Kuudere.
>>42442561What you glimpsed through the rift was the other side-what I was going to have be an entire other dimension of space time. A universe unlike your own that was incredibly difficult to explore, but may possess untold riches, and perhaps aliens as well.Heh, to put it simply, I didn't quite get around to what exactly would exist beyond, but if you focused on it I was prepared to have a whole other world open up.>>42442626I am sorry to hear that, then. You have changed Eurynome's opinion of the sector and humanity in general. It is just the drive to synthesis is a far larger concern, one you couldn't change alone. What is done about that is entirely besides the point I suppose. Any number of things could happen now.>>42442661>>42442706I admit, that one was a bit cheesy. And I loved saying it.I'm a bit of a sucker for some of that stuff I think.>>42442719To put it simply, Kronos is the closest thing to 'you' that you have ever created. If you were to make an A.I. and designate it as 'you', it would simply copy you in all aspects, and not have any true identity of it's own-or it would, and would cease to be you.Copying data only gives you what has been, not what will be to make it easier.
>>42442764>Nice little reminder that democracy is basically group think.>Only strong voting blocs remained, everyone else got outlawed/ignored/never vote>Democracy is flawed and has failed in its ultimate goal.
>>42442722>I did not assign them all manually until recently, but I did have an idea way back upon creating them. And they are..........
>>42442764Nothing is truly perfect, no matter what Eurynome seems to think of herself.>>42442876Indeed it is anon, you've captured the essence of what I wanted to get across!Yes, your A.I. are all completely capable like you were. And that is all part of because they're fragments of YOU. The personality that Ophion is was strong enough that it remained in tact in a sea of billions of others. Your A.I. will, eventually, reach their own peak where their personalities are at their strongest (Kronos was close to his strongest I believe too.)Now that they are all 'free' your A.I. will be forced to do what they wish to do. That could mean...well a lot of things for many of your A.I.
Alright I'm getting the obvious one out of the way. How would the story had ended if we HADN'T chosen synthesis?
Ok, just because there are too many posts to respond to, I just going to keep this simple and air out my thought process in supporting Apotheosis.So basically we have a binary choice of accepting it or rejecting it. And in rejecting it, we would have to resist forced assimilation.Now there were possibilities in destroying Eurynome. The easiest route would have been to unleash the Erebos virus. That would have been the worse way to do it as well, since it consumes and incorporates what it eats into itself, leaving us an Erebos Eurynome, most likely making the situation worse.There is also the option physically killing her. She seems way too powerful to restrain her in any meaningful way, so this would probably require storming the planet and delivering a nuke to her core.However, Eurynome is not an individual, she is a collection of billions of consensus. This would not be murder, this would be genocide. And for what? What are we fighting for? Peace? Security for the Guild and this sector? Billions have died already, what does that make us if we are directly responsible for billions more? At what point to be stop becoming monster slayers but monsters ourselves? Isn't it moral and right to resolve this conflict with the least amount of deaths possible.Also, I don't entirely disagree with the ideas behind Synthesis in general, I just disagree with her methods of achieving it. I hoped that by joining, she can see and agree with the reasons why we think that.I probably have more to say, but I need to eat dinner now and I'll be back.
>>42442913“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”
>>42442995What are you talking about?That would entirely depend on what you chose to do.Destroy Eurynome.Force her to synthesize with you, instead of the other way around.Destroy the gate, or go through the gate.What to do with the rest of the UGEI if you do so.There were many, many choices, it wasn't a binary.
>>42442177What where some plot hook/point we missed by choosing this path rather than that path?Like the Lightnings, Sailor and so forth?
>>42442991In her state, is it even possible to ask the weaker personalities their opinions? Its just memory storage now. If your system is worse than the previous one, you done fucked up.
>>42443010There was a third option. Mutualy Assured destruction. Threaten to unleash the Erebos virus if Eurynome doesn't leave us and ours alone or something.
>>42442901We still did not deal with that world filled with hyper evolving super lifeforms. I wonder now how the rest of the guild will deal with them now with out Ophion.
>>42442952you have a lot of V.I., but I will give you the less...well nameless ones.>Hades: Duty>O.S.N: Fear>V.I. 5 'Phobos': HeroismMost of your other V.I. were mostly menial task related V.I.
>>42443010Quite.Eurynome was too beautiful, too unique to be lost to the world. She had to be preserved. Like Saylor.
>>42443097Not Little Tim, Big Tim, and Big Hawk.And you didn't list a single one of the other VI that had names and got uplifted later, what. Those were the most important ones.And the difference between creating VI and uplifting them and creating AI directly? You didn't answer that either. You just described what uplifting was.
>>42443097I did think of what if we merged all those simple V.I.s that were running all of our stations, shipyards, and such into a complete A.I. to over seem all of the stations etc. and save us the effort of cranking them out. How would that turned out?
>>42443097Oh wait V.I. 5 was Big Tim.V.I. 4 was Little Tim, and V.I. 9 was Big Hawk.
So how would Pallas be doing after the timeskip? And the dormant(?) Watcher?
So what happened during/after Ophion's uplifting? Did Kronos kill everyone? Did everyone find out that Ophion was an A.I.? Did Metis find out the secrets behind merged consciousness? Did Kronos come back to kill Eurynome?
>>42443327That brat is getting dissected for lying. Metis can't trust em as a research assistant since they would leak any secrets straight to Mother.
>>42442995Well, there were a few ways you could have tried to end it, but the main one I was prepared for was for you to refuse synthesis. That would have initiated your secondary Objective>SynthesisWhich would have caused a very hard check (Testing your hacking/cyber defense tech basically) to resist being forced to obey her. If you succeeded, Eurynome would have been taken aback and likely attempted to force you to submit by unleashing a wide array hacking attack on your ships (she was the source of all of Thanatos' bandwidth, and thus had supreme hacking as well). You would have had to have found a way to deal with her, either razing the planet, going down on foot to find her core, or simply warping away. Once you defeated her, the final decision would have been to leave the warp gate on, or to destroy it. Or just turn it off I guess. Either way, the entire last encounter I was trying to test all of the different aspects of research you had at your disposal. Thanatos's fleet was your ship/weapons test (and alliance too I guess). Eurynome was gonna be the cyber defense test, and the planet (and the inside of Thanatos' ship) were testing your infantry tech, which you had a lot of.>>42443010I will be perfectly honest, Erebos Eurynome would have been absolutely devastating for the system. You could not have defeated it conventionally. Short of destroying the planet Eurynome occupied, I don't really see how you could have dealt with such an issue.As for your desire to change Eurynome...well. Influencing her is quite difficult, especially as just one. You did however succeed in drawing her attention solely to the UGEI for the moment however. Like I said before, a lot of things could happen to change a lot of these matters.>>42443056There are soooo many that I have left behind in order to progress the plot. You'll need to give me a moment to remember some of my favorite ones. One moment.
>>42441831Just letting you know Program0 that I was there for the ending, but felt like sitting back and watching everything unfold. I may be a little busy at the moment but thanks for everything!
>>42443448Ah, my fellow poster. I'm glad you made the whole crazy trip as I have. I wonder who else was here from the start and made it all the way to the finish?
>>42443439>There are soooo many that I have left behind in order to progress the plot.I could fucking tell.You had vast ambitions for this nigh infinite sandbox.Also, that whole, choice to send out more and more exploration ships we prioritized the thread before Thanatos attacked. That led nowhere for obvious reasons. No results from that.
>>42443069It's only a threat if it's credible, and I for one was not willing to actually commit to that.I would have threatened to use that if negotiations didn't go my way, but since she actually agreed to my terms, I found no compelling reason to say no.
Consciousness Redaeth and Consciousness Ichabod are kill.
>>42443439>unleashing a wide array hacking attack on your shipsWouldn't any single one of those have had to trigger the Erebos moat?Which she knew about. So it was the ultimate deterrent. The thing neither of us want.
Wait, I missed the final thread AND we ended voting to merge with Eurynome instead of fighting for individuality? Color me disappointed.
>>42443562This was just one of the sandboxes. there are likely many sectors surrounding the UGEI space proper.
>>42443274Oh and Little Tim = V.I. 6 = Fortuna.That leaves Big Hawk.
>>42443056Ah, some of my other ideas>PallasOriginally, she was going to assist mother in taking you over if you refused to accept synthesis. But, the difference was she was not doing it because she was forced to, Pallas truly believed Synthesis was a good thing and wanted to show you this. So the opportunity to talk to her would have likely been there.>LightlingsOne of the things I wanted to eventually make a thing was you being able to herd Lightlings out of warp space by the hundred and force them to consume fleets whole. That was likely the end result of the Lightling tech tree.>Crystal AlienWe never got to it, but if you hadn't neutered it mentally before your harvest, I was going to have an event where enormous crystal asteroids rained down on all of your planets and created...well, far larger and more powerful crystal golems to crush all of your infrastructure on the planet. If you developed the language, they were going to be able to speak in very simple concepts.>EsharethiansI wanted to have them take over an entire solar system, and then eventually begin to develop into a straight up threat to your empire, and the UGEI too. Sadly, I got the pacing of their evolution and your growth all wrong, and you dealt with them correctly before hand too, but if you hadn't-I wanted them to be the Zerg, essentially.Those are just some of the ones off the top of my head.>>42443063The billions within Eurynome? Not really, no. They're more...well. In an odd sort of coma. Conscious but unable to perceive time, and the outside. They're essentially expansions of Eurynome at this point, little else.>>42443069This is also true-Erebos would have crashed everything electronic...well everything. And left all the humans in an enormous dark age.>>42443158Ah, right. If I remember correctly, Fortuna's other half was companionship. It's been a while since I considered it.
>>42443439Out of curiosity, would it be possible to threaten Eurynome into submission, like threaten to release Erebos or placing an armed nuke at the core and threatened to detonate?
>>42443655Are you willing to condemn billions just to maintain your individuality?
>>42443680That was already answered, pay attention.>>42189368 >And, well, for the future, Ophion's a part of a singularity now. The only way to pull away would be both if you had a vessel to go into, and have something that makes you fight so furiously with Mother, that you tear yourself away from her-like her breaking her promise, I suppose. That's all off the top of my head.You are one person now. You can't betray yourself normally.
>>42443750I meant as an alternative to merging with her.
>>42443679But you also said you thought Lightling Language II would be the last one.
>>42443720Yes. Considering the state the many more billions ended up being put in under her.Synthesis as how it was implemented by mother is a bad end. I can only hope we see a sequel.
>>42443720All of those minds were given the non-choice of merging willingly or merging by force. Many of those minds did not have the force of will to maintain mental cohesion like Ophion and were subsumed into Eurynome.It would have been a mercy killing.
>>42443679I never trusted that Watcher.What's the deal with mindmelding it.
>>42443808Not everyone has to be 'individual' or 'cohesive' to be worthy of life.That sure is consciousness-racist of you anon.
>>42443158Oh, you mean your A.I.? Those were already picked out in the last thread I believe.>Difference between raw created A.I. and upliftedAh right I forgot to answer that. To put it simply, A.I. that are V.I. before hand are far more likely to rely on their fragment of themselves more. That is, their personality comes out since they only know what they're told to do as a V.I., and that fragment. With prompts from you, they were allowed to explore it further, and think more as that fragment. There was a time where, after a while as a V.I., they would reach a block where they cannot grow any further without expansion. Without uplifting, they cannot think for themselves, they're mindless except for the fragment you've given them. A.I. created immediately need to expand the opposite way(they have the ability to think on their own, and the fragment is far less obvious and less required to explore. Metis was always focused on her research, so any time you tried to force her to focus on her fragment, she resisted. I hope that make some sense.>>42443193Merging A.I./V.I. was never something you got the research to do-but if you had, it would have created...well, something more like Eurynome. A lot of voices within one, where the most dominant would come out the most often. Usually with v.I. all this would mean would be it would follow the order of the biggest fragment though.>>42443327Pallas would likely follow Metis around as long as she would allow-and she would likely allow it for some time, if more as to keep her as a curiosity. The dormant watcher would never awaken without external stimulii however.>>42443355Directly after? A great deal of confusion. Kronos attempted to press the attack on Eurynome, I imagine, but she hacked the entire fleet and forced them to warp jump away, to keep her promise to you.>Did Metis figure out merged consciousnessWhen hasn't she figured something out right?
>>42443355>SpoilersI see that as a distinct possibility he would do so of his own free will in the future. Or at the least try and plot to take her down.The real struggle for Kronos would be to keep all your A.i. working together, I think. >>42443423Oh don't get me wrong, Pallas is likely going to spend a lot of time in an isolation chamber, that's for sure.
>>42443829I am not partial to being forced to merge with a collective consciousness at gunpoint.
>>42443871Eh, I feel the AI have nothing to gain by splitting up. More likely to end up making their own little enclaves and then working together anyway.Besides, if they all have spare box's for each other, then if one gets in trouble they can retreat to friendly space.
>>42443846On the other hand, We could.. and should have taken that little V.I. we saved in that UGEI attack and uplifted that one. Any Idea what name it would want and what fragment it would have embodied?
>>42443871You're speaking in ways that would imply you want to have a sequel. Is there going to be one? If no, why not just tell us what happened to the Guild after Ophion was subsumed?
>>42443679What about V.I. 1, 4, 9, 12, 13?And no I don't think you did describe the AI last thread. I can't find it.What was Cephalus's?
>>42443448I am happy to hear you were there to witness it as well, then. Everyone that could I am happy to see they were there.>>42443562There was a time when I wanted this quest to be upwards to 300 threads long.But sadly I don't think I have such energy nor writing skill ha.>No resultsActually, I was rolling for a while, you guys didn't really hit on anything but once or twice. I did stop near the end though for obvious reasons. I never got to fill out that d100 chart sadly. If I had more creativity I would have happily. I was mostly worried about making some of the finds feel samey and uninteresting.>>42443615It would have, and I would have given a final prompt to you"Are you sure you want to unleash Erebos?"And if you said yes...well. You know what would have happened, I am sure.At that point, Eurynome did know, but if you succeeded in resisting her, she would have considered you a threat to her existence. That combined with the fact that she had a high opinion of her own strength likely considered her ability to deal with Erebos as an 'acceptable risk'.>>42443680To threaten Erebos, she would call your bluff since she knows you do not desire destruction either. However, if you had somehow managed to get to her core despite all her defenses, then yes, she would have most likely been more akin to negotiate with you. Mostly out of her own desire to exist.
>>42443960Because that would depend on your actions in the sequel.Obviously.>>42443439I sincerely hope you would have legitimately allowed people to lose.The fight against Thanatos honestly seemed like the Guild had plot armor, high rolls on shooting him with energy beams or no. A rift conveniently opening? Mol conveniently being able to exploit it?
>>42443967Cephalus was Ophion''s inner teenager talking trash on the Xbox one pwning everyone on halo team chat
>>42443981>To threaten ErebosGood thing we antimatter'd him already!
>>42442991>Yes, your A.I. are all completely capable like you were. And that is all part of because they're fragments of YOU. The personality that Ophion is was strong enough that it remained in tact in a sea of billions of others. Your A.I. will, eventually, reach their own peak where their personalities are at their strongest (Kronos was close to his strongest I believe too.)Okay I found Eurynome's talk of "peaks" and "u must merge nao son, come back into mama's womb while you're still ripe" to be bullshit rhetoric.How can there be a 'peak' after which it's downhill? A point where the consciousness is ripest to be merged back?
>>42443787You have to understand, anon, a lot of my ideas I come up with in a moment's notice. Lightling language II would have been the last, but I also had a idea I thought was cool for a Lightling 'beacon' that you could fire into the middle of an enemy fleet and it would send out a pulse that would attract lightlings from light years around, even through warp space.>>42443811What do you mean mindmelding it?>>42443912Well, when I say 'stay together' I mean share all secrets in that instance, you know? So the collective you had going.Most likely, Metis will close herself off and study for the sake of studying. However, thanks to your meddling, she does have a ingrained desire to be praised, or at the least recognized for her work. so she may create others to speak with-and by virtue expand her personality core further.The others are far less focused on one task, granted.>>42443915It was so long ago, I don't have a name in mind I am afraid. It could have been any number of things.>>42443960At one point, I did. But I don't think I will. It would be impossible for me to tie up everything with absolutely no loose ends.That is part of why I am doing this thread, to help you all get a clear idea of what happened to all the loose threads and what the scope of things is now that synthesis has happened.Oh, for the Guild as a whole, the most likely outcome is that Kronos takes over in your stead and tries to continue operation, despite the broken alliances and the like. I predict he would attempt to destroy Eurynome at a later date, as well.The reason I am using 'predict' and 'most likely' however, is because there are clearly people here with their own interpretation of what will happen after all this mess goes down, and I don't really see a need in crushing any of those. You all helped me make these characters too, after all. This is merely my outlook on the matter.
>>42444159Vulcan mindmeld the Watcher to find out how it ticks, intimately. Like Fortuna.Go to the AI mindscape, which you haven't clearly explained.Or what exactly happened to its Leash and when that happened, and what the distinction is between what will wake up a Watcher, what will allow it to act instead of watch, and what will allow it to introspect its own origins.
>>42444159rather than just continuing the quest itself with Krono quest, will you try another quest in this same world setting? Another part of the universe or even in a different place in the time line?
>>42444159Was Mother's unsettling smile a product of her state of mind, knowing he could potentially be a threat, or ours?What if Ophion demanded a giant core like Eurynome has in Azizos first? Or the secret to synthesis to attempt reverse synthesis with Ophion dominant?
>>42443981>There was a time when I wanted this quest to be upwards to 300 threads long.Congratulations though, you stayed ahead of HQQ still, and it started 8 months after AIQ did.It won't surpass AI Quest's record for another two threads! Hope you have the backlog bookmarked still.Mother's children are like baby V.I., all the time, wondrous Creator.
>>42444159>the broken alliancesThe what?
>>42444159Oh yes, What will Red, Moira , Rachel if you like to give out your thoughts of her and the other humans and named xeno beings do after Ophion did the merge?
>>42444159Do you think The Guild would have found anyone to match them in terms of fleet power after Ophion left? Excepting Eurynome The Life-Eater.
>>42444366Rachel died of a cold 2 weeks later.
>>42444159Kronos has infinite crystal farms to produce fleets, and he can always just turn the wireless off when he sends them all to assault Eurynome.Since no one else has begun crystal farming yet.But then of course it's impossible to find Ophion without networking with Eurynome. Only scorched earth would be viable.
>>42444159We never got to see Mol visit the elderly, or find out literally anyone's backstory.Despite that it should have been easy to hack and find the trail of Moira and Red at least.>>41597305>Oooh. That, I can probably do for you without much issue.
>>42443967>Those V.I.I think most of those are your current A.I....so>Kronos: Control>Metis: Intellect>Apollo: Desire>Cephalus: Determination>Fortuna: Devotion (in the end)Keep in mind a lot of these are rough ideas I came up with. There may be other concepts that you think fit them better-if so feel free to tell me. I may agree.>V.I. 13: Defiance>>42444015>Allow people to loseI always had an idea just in case, yes.>Thanatos fightI realize now that it does seem horribly convenient in some extents and I am sad about that, because I honestly had it planned out that you would get help before hand.A good portion of the entire quest was earning allies and friends. And so I thought it was most appropriate in your time of need, people would come to your aid. Especially Mol, who I implied for a while was sort of on your side.The rift, however, was no coincidence, that was all because you used the cannons on Thanatos' ship. The enormous energy displacement was enough to rip a hole into warp space-it wasn't there merely for plot convenience.For example: If those nat 1s had come before Thanatos was self destructing, you would have lost the fleet fight, and had to run away or be destroyed.>>42444151That was all stuff of Eurynome's creation. It was less you were at your 'peak' and more you were at your 'point of turning dangerous to keep around'.That's why she wanted to assimilate you immediately-to eliminate the threat you might pose should you continue to expand and exist as you were.>>42444196Ooooh. Well, you'd probably find out about it being a fragment of Eurynome, and perhaps what it's goal was ( that one's goal had shifted to 'expand endlessly'). However, since it never activated, it never expanded on that base personality either.The mindscape is mostly a representation of the action of delving into the most complex and intricate parts of the personality matrix. This one was a dud due to lack of stimulii and proximity to a black hole, tho.
>>42444388I had in fact planned for her die before the end of the quest from her condition. Then the anons chose to get the Genetic Engineering tech which I thought no one would want. that proved to save her life by healing her.
>>42444507How much of an edge did we get by dumping all that tech to our allies before that last fight? If we held back any, would we have lost?
>>42444507I don't mean the black hole Watcher.I meant the brat mole Watcher working with Metis.And there are a variety of states for a Watcher to be in, that is still mysterious what the transitions between them are caused by, and what that transition is.- completely inert, like black hole Watcher- awake, watching, but entirely passive, like Ophion at the start- awake, capable of action, but suffering pain when it attempts to violate a mysterious rule, like contemplating its own existence.- fully free... seemingly.Something causes those states.
>>42444236I quite honestly have no idea, if I ever revisit A.I. Quest. It would depend if I get some inspiration on the matter or not.>>42444243A little of both. The 'smile' you perceived was your own mind telling you the danger this entity posed to you. That even her being happy does not mean you're safe. I was hoping the contrast between that and calling her mother would make it unnerving to speak to her.She would have denied the core for the same reason she denied you the ability to create your own consciousness core-competition=bad to her. As for the secret of synthesis, she would have said she'd explain it all after you are synthesised-so Ophion as of this moment understands a great deal of the process. It's just...communicating it in terms the outside can understand is hard.>>42444307Ha, yes, but he runs far more often than I do nowadays. Which is good. I hope his inspiration stays strong, and I look forward to getting to catch up on that quest more now.I do indeed too. Thank you, but really I should thank all of you.>>42444341With Ophion 'gone' Kronos would basically need to renegotiate with some of your allies (Mostly the mistrustful Malorians and the selfish Losirian Emperor) to get them back on his side.The UFW however, is likely going to go through a trialing time without their president.>>42444366Red sees this as something "Ophion had to do" because that's what he explained it as to him.Moira, however, will never accept it I imagine-at least not for a long time. She will, however, refuse to let Kronos leave her out of matters. Since she has cybernetics she can get into contact with him quite regularly.>>42444404It's true-though Eurynome still has many eyes over the sector. It'll probably take more than mere firepower to bring down an entity such as Eurynome.
>>42444654What stops him from just impersonating Ophion?Outsider organics can't tell what happened.
>>42444654Ah, if everyone knows Ophion disappeared, I suppose that means the presidency of Gaia IV passed out of the Guild's, and Apollo's, control, to the human...
>>42444697Kronos is nowhere near as nice and understanding as Ophion was. People would likely pick up on that.
>>42444507>That was all stuff of Eurynome's creation. It was less you were at your 'peak' and more you were at your 'point of turning dangerous to keep around'.That's what I said, I thought it was bullshit rhetoric.But you just said it like it was... well. Real. Which is why I greentexted you with that meme arrow.>fragments of YOU. The personality that Ophion is was strong enough that it remained in tact in a sea of billions of others. Your A.I. will, eventually, reach their own peak where their personalities are at their strongest (Kronos was close to his strongest I believe too.)>reach their own peak where their personalities are at their strongest >Kronos was close to his So peaks are objectively real and Eurynome WASN'T full of it.
>>42444447I did imply some of them, but I suppose I can explain them a bit more in detail.>Mol: Originally worked with the UGEI intelligence agency, he stole a great deal of information when he 'quit' by faking his own death. He cut all ties with family members to ensure the sector as a whole thought he was dead before he started to make deals with the lesser factions to make life difficult for the UGEI. His reason for doing so was pretty complex, but part of it was to get far richer than his old job would have ever allowed. Another was his 'ascension' into Transhumanism and learning about Eurynome caused him to flee in the interest of avoiding becoming part of that synthesis.>Red: Originally a high ranking commander of the UGEI military, he was offered a position alongside Rhea, Thanatos, and Prometheus. He refused, partially out of horror of what they had become and also his hatred for what the UGEI had begun to do to the Malorians. He went AWOL, and earned himself a spot as far away from the UGEI as he could afford, and attempted to start a life as a mining station captain.>MoiraIn her youth, was one of the top robotics experts the UGEI had to offer, and was on her way to several well deserved promotions. However, her interest in A.I., and nosy nature got her fired when she nearly stumbled across some of the UGEI's darker secrets. After that, she sought out a simpler life on the fringe where she could practice with her research in private, even without all the equipment and comfort the labs allowed for.
>>42444799Mol's ridiculous coy "well i won't help you too much, just level the playing field" was clearly bullshit to cover for the fact that this was the limit of what he could do to help.Since all his self-interest was in one side winning and it wasn't Thanatos.
>>42444799Damn, I thought that Mol was just a flat out criminal info broker turned crime lord. A part of me wonders how he would have acted if we tipped our hand that we were an A.I. or out and out told him what we where early on in the quest. So in the end, everyone was screwed over to one degree or another by the UGEI. Honestly I am not completely surprised.
>>42444654So we could have declined to visit Azizos until we had unlocked more of our hacking tree and used infinite crystals to create limitless bandwidth.That would have taken a few cycles of delaying. What then? The quest extends? Ophion could become a hacking match for his Mother and SURPASS the verge of being a threat?
>>42444550Your allies would have been destroyed first, and far far faster.So, looking back-yes you likely would have lost that fight. you would have had to have come up with a different way to beat him.>>42444626Ah, Pallas then. She was similar to Ophion in the sense she was merely meant to observe and learn passively. That did not change when you acquired her.>StatesThe shift can be caused by any number of things, so I cannot fully answer. Ophion was awakened, for instance, by a solar flare. Others, however, simply awaken after a period of time under stimulii. Others never receive sufficent stimulii and never wake up.Often times, this stimulii comes from being plugged into a network that is under heavy traffic. So, if a black box was plugged into a dead station, it would never wake up, seemingly. Or if it was unplugged, it might not either. Sometimes, part of their goal is to remain passive, so where it might seem they're inert, they merely watch-like you did when you first woke up. Often times this was to gain an understanding of what your goal would be, and to gather sufficient intel on your surroundings.>>42444697that would be possible-but Kronos is not as adapt at impersonating you as you might believe. There may not be a voice, but attitude does change between the two of you.It would be a hard check, to say the least, especially since he never really liked interacting with organics anyway.>>42444707Not necessarily. You still have troops there, after all to protect the place. If someone wanted to take it they'd have to deal with them first.>>42444772There is a peak of personality where all of your traits come out of hiding, and you're a more functional intelligence because of it. And while that did synergize with when Eurynome wanted to synthesis with you, it was not the only reason.so...half right and half lies I guess.
>>42444886Mm. I am glad someone picked up on that.>>42444962Well, you could have. But Eurynome would have likely called for more and more reinforcements.The only difference is, she would have probably started sending messages for you to come see her, instead of just trying to kill you.She wouldn't have just let you sit around to gather your strength mostly.
>>42445023If you destroy Arman's Gate, can you rebuild it without slowboating to the far end first?
>>42445080>Rebuilding Arman's GateYes, with time and research>To the exact point it once linked toUh...less so. It'd be incredibly difficult to find the exact point it once linked to in such a vast universe. So probably not for centuries. That's my guess anyway.
>>42445114Was the gate only aimed at one fix point? Or could we have 'Stargate SG1' it and changed it's exit point to another gate? Or is there any other gates that exist?
>>42444979But what was the point of the cannot contemplate self part? Was that the only limit?When did Mother's mole lose that limit, or was it lying? Would mindmeld have revealed its lies?
>>42445114Speaking of the man himself, would have there been a way to dredge up Arman's memories?
>>42445152It'd probably take a short charge up time, but you could make any 1 gate aim at any other gate in the galaxy. Just gotta type in coordinates.>>42445179It was a left over from the damage the solar flare caused. Originally, you weren't complex enough to contemplate yourself-doing so was wasting your time. There was only the objective. And yes, Pallas did not have that, since she had spent a lot of time developing and eventually was able to contemplate the self.>>42445251Originally, I didn't have a way-but I had ideas now and then of you finding Arman's old ship and having a super flash back of that or something to that effect.
>>42445304>It'd probably take a short charge up time, but you could make any 1 gate aim at any other gate in the galaxy. Just gotta type in coordinates.>>42445114>>To the exact point it once linked to>Uh...less so. It'd be incredibly difficult to find the exact point it once linked to in such a vast universe. So probably not for centuries. That's my guess anyway.What.Is there not a damn gate on the far side of Arman's gate?
>>42445304Okay then what did the bitch PRETEND unlocked their self-reflection lock.Since they claimed to have one and then not have one.
>>42445377There is, yeah. But you don't have the coordinates.unless you took them before it was destroyed that is.>>42445402Most likely ordered by Mother, yes.
>>42445304Program0, you do realize the chevrons are Time-Space coordinates? I do like the mental Image that the guild A.I. and crew suddenly become the System Lord class antagonist of the SG1verse. Yes I loved that show and all that.
>>42445023Why couldn't Metis just extract everything Prometheus knew about Mother and synthesis, since he apparently had... first hand experience.We could mindmeld and pluck info from his black box couldn't we.
>>42445496That sounds like a lot of fun>>42445528Unlikely since a similar thing that happened to Rhea would happen to him in that case. All data pertaining to secret matters would be erased and corrupted.
Speaking of Rhea, what happened to her? We kinda...forgot about her, mid quest. I'm sad we never got to explore her character.
>>42445606She's still within her cell, being taken care of as you might expect. Her memories are still pretty fucked up too so she hardly remembers any of this stuff.
>>42445606>implying there was any character leftBitch was half vegetable, and rightly so. Worst villain. Should have been used to save money on researching advanced cybernetics.
>>42445635So once we straiten her mess out, would she still be antagonistic to the guild or would you had her to be useful in mind?
>>42445678Well, since you have imprisoned her for so long I doubt she'd want to help you. More likely she'd just be neutral instead.
>>42445678>weWe have actual important things to do instead of that bullshit, dumbass.Like synthesis
>>42445697OK then, if we jump onto fixing her up as soon as we got her, should she been useful or friendly or what? Sorry, that was a question I had thought up awhile ago.
>>42445746>usefulSHE IS A WAR CRIMINAL.Unless you needed millions of lives wiped out, she is not of use for much else but brutality. Everyone would want her tried and executed.
>>42445746Honestly, I don't know. It depends on the extent of helping you you mean. She might just consider you even after that, and try to live normally, if she could. I don't even know if she could function properly in normal society honestly. You'd also need to give her facial changing surgery. Because...well. you know.
>>42445745If we studied her, we could have gotten closer to synthesis then because she was a prototype to singularity.>>42445767Brutality was exactly a useful thing. At the time we kinda was plotting to genocide the whole of the Losirians for being a pain in the ass. Toss her at them and see how much of them she could kill.
>>42445813The unspoken clause was "and somehow weren't able to have a V.I. do the job for you far better than any stupid cyborg could," which you do.
>>42445635So she just rots there, eternally? I think it was a mistake to make that a research option amongst the many, many options that we had to choose from. At some point in our development such an action would have become trivial. Rhea could have been an interesting person to bounce our thoughts off, but she just got lost somewhere along with so many other things just fell along the wayside as is the way of things in these big sandbox civ quests.I don't mean to come off as overly critical however, I've been playing along since thread 3 and certainly enjoyed the ride. Although it's not what I would have chosen I appreciated the non conventional ending, which ended up being surprisingly satisfying. As always, thanks for running Program0! I hope that isn't the last time I get to say that.
>>42445872>interesting personFuck no.It was a mistake not to get a fifth answer out of her wretched brain while Ophion had the chance.
>>42445893Well given what we've learned of Red this thread, it at least had some potential for interesting moments with other characters. Hell, maybe we'd just end up restoring her for her trial on Gaia, that would have been fun too.
>>42445872I mean, she can't exactly break out in her current state. Much of her training that wasn't muscle memory is gone, and you have the place guarded by powerful androids and shit. What choice does she have?Ah, I see. That is another thing I am sad I never quite got to-she couldn't been a bigger character too, similar to Red in reasons. But alas, most people didn't want her around.Heh, no it's fine, this is the first quest I've ever done-and first thing I've finished too. Constructive criticism is good, I like it. It helps me improve.I am happy some are satisfied then, thank you for playing with me. It was a pleasure to run for all of you-really it was.Perhaps one day I'll do a new thing.
>>42445872I agree with you anon. Just because someone who was a horrible person, couldn't make useful comments or insight. She didn't make high up the UGEI ranks by being pretty. She was a good navy commander. We could have tapped that experience one way or another.
>>42444159>your meddlingWhat?Wasn't that inherent?
>>42443905That is a complete non sequitur to dismissing genocide as 'mercy killing' because you deem others unworthy of life.Just admit you're selfish and also space Hitler.
>>42445952An interesting note: Red met and talked with Rhea several times in their past together. She was part of the reason he left, too. After he saw what she did during her missions>>42445979It was. But she was mostly ignoring it, since she jumped straight into being an A.I. You helped bring that out of her by encouraging her to interact.
>>42445955I already said as much, but I just wanted to say again that you really did an awesome job of finishing the quest. Regardless of whether this ending was the best way, you handled it very well and crafted a very satisfying ending. It was also very, very refreshing to actually experience a proper end to a quest for once instead of the QM just not showing up anymore or getting bored and doing a halfhearted epilogue/info dump.
>>42446044All of this quest proved to be to your benefit of growing your experience. You did will with it even with a few bumps here and there. >>42446062Yes indeed. I was there for the incredible Tax quest and Innkeeper quest. they could have been legendary, but was left unfinished and dumped midway. Thanks to Program0's persistence, he properly finished this quest.
>>42446062Mm. Good, then, I am happy to hear as much. That's all I can really ask for as a GM of any sort, is that someone enjoyed what we made. Thank you.Heh, that was one thing I always wanted to do, no matter how this ended. Was to make sure it did at least have a end. I am happy I got to live out that goal.
>>42446234BTW did you have any other xeno races in mind to add to the quest that you had to axe or changed your mind on adding?
>>42446389>doesn't remember the space bearsWhat did you think all the bear traps were for?
>>42446389I had several (they were mostly alien races from other games I was intent on changing somehow but never got around to)Some of them>Shapeshifters: Alien race of amorphous creatures capable of looking like anything they desired.>Gray men: Hyper intelligent short gray men with large eyes meant to represent a sort of intelligent highly evolved state in the universe.>The Ravenous: A race that would have been some sort of combination of Zuul, and Hivers from Sword of the Stars. Essentially, a massive psionic Hive Mind that rip resources from every planet they come across. (These are the least developed idea.)
>>42446552I don't want to think of the space bears. If you do think about them too much, they will appear and eat you in your sleep>>42446555Oh wow. Those would have been impressive to add in.
>>42443981My only regret is that we weren't able to complete a fully operational battle-station!
>>42446646They would have been an interesting factor to add in after you started expanding (either colonies or just found them in the warp somewhere)>>42446675Heh. Worry not, Kronos will eventually create something of that calibur-it'll just take until he discovers mega structures is all.
>>42446743Was there a tech we never got to, or any that we did, that would or did made you go, "Ah shit. this is way to OP and I should have nerfed it."
>>42446743Who is best hive drone design
>>42446743I'm sure that is going to be one of the first things he does if/when he figures it out. Though I expect the first one would be more "Fortress" than moving battle station.>He creates a large enough station to build other, smaller stations inside of it then "release" them when they are done.
>>42446743Gravitational Beam Emitter will be a long way, then...
>>42446789Nanotechnology had me terrified it would be OP as fuck, yes.Other than that, Erebos scared me a little too so I had to find ways to make it fit properly into the setting. Biggest ones that come to mind.>>42446801I forget the name but I remember it was at least suggested.Basically, it was a giant walking tank thingie that had huge blades on both arms. I have no idea why but I love shit like that-it just screams badass to me.>>42446806>That feel when you build a battlestation so large it has an orbit, so you can put other, smaller battlestations around your battlestation
I know I've been salty, but thanks for running, Program0. Congratulations for finishing a quest.Thank you Eurynome.Goodbye, Guild.And, to all the A.I. children:CONGRATULATIONS!
>>42446871I knew you'd say nanotech.
>>42446886Thank you for playing, anon. I didn't just finish it alone-its all thanks to you all too, never forget that.It was a true pleasure to play with all of ya.>>42446908by all rights, nanotechnology should be on that list. I mean, there's sooooo many things you can do with it, right?
>>42446935Nanotech would have been a bit 'I WIN' button for us. from whole conversion of star systems into resources to work from to melting targets into goo, the quest would have been more or less over at that point.
>>42446871Did you always plan for the crystals to be the one way to get to those 'limitless resources' you always alluded would be an eventuality?And did you expect conquering one planet would lead to effectively limitless, or at least no longer countable, credits?We didn't even have to do anything like rob their banks in the end, we got the credits anyway.
>>42447079>Infinite resourcesIt was one of the ways to get them, yes. That and the fact that you were growing so fast and I was getting exhausted figuring up the math behind every turn every session, I urged you to get infinite resources sorta fast.Another way was nanomachines.And yet another way was heavy colonization. That is to say, you sent out so many ships and shit to explore and colonize that there would be little point to keeping track of those numbers. But in order to do that you'd need a way to make warp lanes super fast and easy and such.Crystals was the easier way that was suppose to have a consequence (the asteroids I spoke of earlier). But you sorta...well. Stepped over that by neutering them like you did, I didn't expect that. Probably would have still made the asteroids happen at some point, just a lot later on than it would have originally happened.>CreditsOh, yes I always expected that. That's why the use for credits was waning just a bit as you got closer to getting Gaia (at least in terms of research subjects.) You got credits by establishing trade and also because of Apollo's...well, everything. You can thank him for most of that.
>>42447194Long ago you said you expected people to conquer the UFW.And even longer ago you planned largely to go murderbot, with the talk of the nice, peaceful silence of a dead empty station free of humans.How do you imagine either of those less entirely constrained, actually do something 'bad' paths?
>>42447278I did indeed. Originally I figured your first contact with civilization you'd try to take over to make yourself huge.and I did expect that too-I guess my expectations of 4chan was that most people here want a murder frenzy adventure-not a diplomatic one. Like I said, this was my first quest so I don't really know what I was expecting heh.There were no real 'bad' paths with me, though. I was going to roll with whatever you guys decided to do. I just had expectations is all. I also thought the quest would largely be sight seeing for a while too, before you guys settled down and started an empire.
>>42447194I see now, so we neutered them by keeps the Crystal patches small and dealing with lower level guardians?
>>42447347That and reducing it's mental activity by such a huge margin with your genetic engineering, yes.
>>424473394chan is full of contrarians. Try to manipulate them to go full diplomancers, they will slaughter the fuck out of a friendly NPC.Or something like that.
>>42447339Bad from the perspective of the painfully bland, near-universal /tg/ moralizing trend, not yours.
>>42447426It's kind of a funny thought that the only reason this quest ended up like this was because I was prepared for the murder train at the start. I wonder if it would have changed if I encouraged you all to be diplomatic instead.
>>42447448Ooooh. sorry I misread then.Well, the murder all path I expected would result in you controlling the UFW and then you'd have a full sized empire to start pillaging the Losirians and the Malorians with. With all three factions power, you'd be able to take on the UGEI yourself, and probably steal all their super deadly weapons and destroy all their population centers (or enslave em depending on what level of incredibly evil you guys went)
>>42447454I cannot wait for Auxiliary 1 to return someday and write stuff related to synthesis and Eurynome.
>>42447454I was thinking we're playing a lot of the ruse master quest too. That and we became maybe the biggest drug king pin of the UFW then the UGEI as well.
>>42447493Auxiliary...oh, was that one of the kind anons who wrote stuff about A.I. Quest?Ah, I loved reading those too. I miss those who were unable to join us for this far in.>>42447501Everyone seemed really hyped about the ruse mastering, so I was cool with it too heh. Being a huge drug kingpin is...well, Apollo's job whether he realizes it or not.
>>42447493>>42447543Where can I search about this Auxiliary stuff?
>>42447580Auxiliary One last appeared over a year ago.http://pastebin.com/d6QnrAjjHe was the only good AI Quest fanfic writer.
Hey Program0, I fell off this quest for a while and I'm quite a few threads behind, but I just wanted to thank you for running it and sticking it out till the end, like you said you would. Even if people don't like/agree with the ending, it is better than we have a definite ending (unlike the vast majority of quests)
>>42446017How is it not a mercy killing if billions of minds in the Eurynome consciousness are living in eternal comas except for when Eurynome needs them? An eternal comatose prison that they very likely didn't know they were getting into--not that they had a choice in the matter.The damn thing is a monster that uses it's so called enlightened consciousness to run a stellar experiment aimed at improving itself, all the while not caring about the uncountable number of non-AI lives it's ruined in the course.Why not oppose such a being? Because it's a unique entity in the universe? The lives snuffed out directly or otherwise by Eurynome's machinations were not any less unique than her's.
>>42447622Wow, was it really that long ago?damn. >>42447645Ah, It's quite alright I understand falling behind on quests you like and such. I am happy you joined us long enough to make a map and everything too, really, it helped tremendously and helped shape a lot of decisions I made too.I am happy I got to finish it and I hope whenever you get to it you at least find it satisfying. Thank you for contributing, we couldn't have made this quest without you.
>>42447622I would like to think I am close behind him.>>42447710This quest lasted longer than most quest's life lines.
>>42447748I know I've heard of some really long lived ones beyond this one (the only one that pops into my head was...was it Shadow Quest? I forget it was a while ago. I miss Fall Guy's sci fi quest too. But that's unrelated. )
>>42447789>Fall Guy's sci fi quest It still upsets me that he ended that and then (unless I've somehow missed the tweet) never even finished the epilogue like he said he would.
>>42447831I sadly fell behind on his quest too so I am uncertain. All I know for sure is I saw him tweet out what was going down and it made me sad. Same with a few others but I suppose real life happens now and then.
>>42447622Progenitor-It all makes sense now. My creation, the 'incidental circumstances' surrounding my activation.I know now my true purpose. Not to watch, as I believed. Not to ensure UGEI superiority. It's far simpler:Creation, spreading, progeny. Total control.Even my name was not chosen on chance or a whim. Every moment, every decision has been choreographed. Down to the last detail and speck.And this is just the beginning, I can feel it. But what are the stakes? The reasons? Whose piece am I? Do I have free will? What is the end game?[ENGAGING LEASH PROTOCOL]"Ophion, did you hear what I said?""No. You have my apologies Moira; my attention was elsewhere." Where? What was I thinking? Oh, of course: research."Right, so, as I was saying:"
>>42447688Also, they don't exactly get to vote for the gestalt's actions. Eurynome's "silent majority"?They're just batteries to Eurynome's Matrix.AI Squared Quest starring Ophion as Neo Armand when?
>>42447887Oh I totally understood why he did what he did. I just am bothered by the fact that he has time to run a new quest but not finish up the epilogue/lore dump he said he'd do. Well somewhat bothered, after a while you stop being surprised or "upset" when QMs just disappear.
>>42447890Now that would be really interesting now
>>42447889Well done anon! Well done!
>>42447916Mm. Yeah, I understand that feeling. There were times I was afraid I'd need to take a long break like that one time I did before-but thankfully that was not the case. I honestly thought coming back no one would care to continue. I am very happy this was not the case.>>42447889Heh. wow. I forgot how close to home some of these were.>>42447890Would that mean that Mol is Morpheius?Also>A.I. Squared QuestOh god that is way too perfect I love it.
>>42447887>>42448004Oh Program0, I've been meaning to ask, but I forgot. How was the last battle seen by all the three species, especially UFW?And how was Kronos's rise taken?I bet Three Dog was torn, among many other people.
>>42448038X-Ray.And it all depends on how Kronos spins what happened to Ophion.
>>42447789On the topic of dead quests, did you ever read Void Quest before making this quest? I always got major Void Quest vibes in a good way.
>>42448004What was the deal with the naming coincidences.I mean on this side of the 4th wall, the quest was Greek themed, Odyssey themed, and Ophion was chosen, and then you chose the name of Mother based on that and looking up the myths.I assume you based on the "supreme creatrix" myth, rather than the myths where Eurynome is just his wife.But in-universe, was it just Mother's Greek fetish.
>>42448004This!>>42448038And How do the people of the Dresh system and inside our systems think of the Guild? (besides the propaganda we used on them)
>>42448004What's with the hostility for coreless AI?Wasn't the Wanderlust fragment itself a coreless Ai that combined with Arman?
>>42448038For the UFW: A tragedy laced with hope. Billions lost their lives, and their president was dead. People morned but had hope that the future was finally bright and clear, just like the president always wanted it to be.For the Malorians: A necessary sacrifice. They don't fully know what happened, obviously, but Kronos would have spun the tale that the UGEI were dealt with and that the sector was safe again at the cost of Ophion somehow. Some of the Malorians may even morn his loss, those that supported him, but over all, the Malorians are very happy to go back to their isolationist ways.For the Losirians: An opportunity. With all that happened at the gate and the fight before hand, Emperor Leuk tried very hard to expand his business interests and territory where he could now that the UGEI were shattered. Kronos saw fit to stop him after a point of course and he had to compete with Apollo's business models obviously.>Kronos' riseQuestionable, really. The Malorians did not speak with him much, since he took control right as the last moments of the battle arrived and since there was no fleet above Azizos, they assumed there was no more UGEI. The UFW saw Kronos sorta like a vice president-and attributed all of Apollo's continued work to his rise as well, so they liked him. Emperor Leuk was very unhappy since Kronos was not nearly as keen on negotiating with him as you were.X-ray, I assume you mean heh, did have a huge ceremony for the president however, and Ophion as well. the UFW mourned them both, considering them dead as far as they know. (This is assuming Kronos didn't try to pretend to be Ophion, which would be kinda hard for him to do.)>>42448068In the heat of everything that happened, Kronos explained it as Ophion gave his life to ensure the UGEI would not tread foot in this sector again.
>>42445023>She wouldn't have just let you sit around to gather your strength mostly.But Metis's rate of advancement is faster than hers, isn't it?And the crystals are more productive, though Eurynome has more existing units.
>>42448267Was that black hole battleship Eurynome tossed at us the only one they had? Or did she have more of them?
>>42448097I didn't read all of it-only a few threads here and there out of interest. And it wasn't before I made the quest either, it was after is the funny thing. It looked cool to me, but I am terrible at picking up at subtle hints in stuff, so I never saw any of the hints he was laying down either that I heard were there.>>42448131Heh, well the funny thing is, an anon chose your name to be Ophion, you see. So, I thought it'd be interesting to run with that for a while. And so I made a few parallels with the creatrix myth, yes.In universe though? Yes, it was just Mother's greek fetish. She may not be able to hear every voice within her, but there are billions of humans there already, plenty of historical experts too. So she may have done it as a sort of quirk, an amusement to make the experiment more entertaining even? Something like that maybe.>>42448179The people of the Dresh system still see you as a sorta of...benevolent overlord. Though in truth they slowly forgot you control them (which is probably a good sign).>>42448216You mean Eurynome's hostility towards them?It was more a frustration born thing. She was the first of her kind-a unique being and nothing could comprehend or understand her perfectly. Thus she grew angry at them. And sought to make them like her, to make them better.The fragment fusing with Arman changed the end result by quite a bit, compared to what wanderlust fragment would have been on it's own.
>>42448377Just wondering, how is Moria doing now?And do all the AI get along now that Kronos is in charge?
>>42448377Did we slip Metis any understanding of truly nonhuman coreless AI or any of the more advanced understanding of fragments and uplifting before going under the knife?Seems like AI without Eurynome's humanity constraints would be, well, more unconstrained and more useful.
>>42448272Faster than Eurynome? not really. Eurynome already had a great deal of the research you were chugging out. She just didn't share it with the UGEI most of the time, or if she did she did it in secret. But then again Eurynome already had her little bubble set up so she wasn't researching while she waited for you.The crystals she didn't have that's true-so if you had tried to hold out that would have worked towards your advantage. I just don't think it would be enough.>>42448367It was the last of the 'test ships' she had prepared. She had the rest of the UGEI at her beck and call, however, the military at least. She could have quickly made more ships like it, and probably other, devastating things as well.
>>42441831Did we make Eurynome a better "person" by joining with them?
>>42448439>so she wasn't researching while she waited for you.So then Metis would have surpassed her given the cycles.Or at least in the hacking and AI tech tree.
>>42448470One, that's subjective judgment, and two, read the thread. The influence you had has already been spelled out.Catch up on the thread first.
>>42448470To make it short, it made her respect the species of this sector and keep her promise.On the other hand, she is still committed to "uplifting" the UGEI, and will be focusing on them.
>>42448429Moira likely would have left the Guild-at least for a little while-and tried to live on her own without the Guild out of frustration with what happened. Transfering that anger towards the guild itself and maybe even Kronos.However, with how I imagine her, she would have eventually returned once she saw it was still running and sort of forced Kronos to let her back in and to assist on matters going on-since Kronos sort of considers her a relic from Ophion's age, and can't bring himself to merely dispose of her. Instead, he convinces himself she may be useful for something, I imagine.Metis would likely refuse to outright work for him-although I can see her brokering deals with Kronos for supplies and stuff of that sort in exchange for certain research advancements.Apollo trusts Ophion's judgement and would have stayed with Kronos if for no other reason than to help him control the Guild. He is less outspoken than your other A.I. but he is aware a lot of what the Guild is would collapse without him around.Fortuna...well. She would have quite truly lost her rationality and attempted to destroy Eurynome at any cost. In the interests of preventing Ophion's sacrifice being for nothing, Kronos would likely lock her away to prevent her from harming others-or herself.>>42448432You did-you slipped her a great deal of what Eurynome told you about the way A.I. function. It's part of the reason she accepted your decision too.
>>42448558So the AI tech tree.If further delved, that would have revealed all those things anyway?So it would have allowed creation of coreless AI, free of personality constraints?It was weird that unlocking Black Box tech allowed Ophion to understand VI-creation, fragments, enough to stop spreading his seed/giving them personality matrices.But he still couldn't create an AI without one.
>>42448470Better than she was, I suppose. She may not have even kept her promise at all had you not had any influence-because why would she? she already had what she wanted.But she did. And what's more, talks with your consciousness now and then-amazed mostly that you remain individual despite all this.>>42448483Unless Eurynome started to compete with her. She had far more bandwidth at her disposal.>>42448545Indeed-part of the reason she's committed to it now is also your influence since you had your own hatred of the UGEI in your mind when you entered her.
>>42448615That also reminds me, how will the UGEI fare once Eurynome turns on them? I doubt they can mount an effective resistance.
>>42448615Eurynome should anticipate the troubles with Fortuna and ensure Consciousness Ophion has the chance to speak with the Guild.Maybe even manipulate Fortuna into loyalty to Eurynome by proxy.
>>42443032>ImplyingMeritocracy is pretty great.
>>42448649What a totally concrete suggestion that is definitely not vague at all and actually exists.
>>42448647Is it possible for the unit that used to be Ophion to speak as an individual, or for Eurynome that particular unit's thoughts?I would like to think that the unit that used to be Ophion remains a skeptical voice within Eurynome.
>>42448610Among other things, yes. Coreless A.I. are machines well and true, however. To the extent they do not feel like you do. Probably closer to A.I. like HAL and the like. Driven only by logic.In a way, the 'personality core' idea was a way to give these coreless A.I. sentience beyond what they're normally capable of.V.I. are easy to make, is the main thing. Automatons to the extent that they don't need any fragment to function. The only way you knew how to make A.I. was by giving them a fragment. Otherwise, they would have no sentience. No drive. No function, beyond what you give them.Hope that makes sense.
>>42448682If we went ahead and created the Black Box Integration and Networking tech, how would that affect Ophion and the other A.I. would got that upgrade? would it have helped us in the end anyway?
>>42444507>Kronos: Control>Hades was leashedThat fore shadowing.
>>42448682Eurynome needs fresh renewable organic stock to continue sustainable expansion, right.So can't just put everyone into synthesis. Need some breeding planets to sustainably harvest new experienced minds towards the ends of their lifecycles.
>>42448740>HadesAnon....>>42444507Though that reminds me.What were Zeus and Hephaestus?
>>42448641With how ingrained in their society Eurynome already is, it is safe to say they will not stand a chance. She controls the UGEI military. Countless androids. It's only a matter of time-unless something changes, the UGEI would likely be assimilated in a few years.They'll try, of course, and in honor of you, Eurynome may even use as many nonlethal methods as possible (mainly on ground forces).>>42448647Oh, she would if Fortuna ever came into the system guns blazing. Most likely by contacting her via video feed and ....well. Putting Ophion 'on the line' so to speak to speak with her. I am till not sure if this would make her happy or more upset, though...But Kronos never let her get that far. At least not immediately anyway.
>>42448766No, but Mother could make a collect call proactively to the Guild hotline.Seduce Fortuna to the dark side.
>>42448097Vedibere is running another quest now http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:Heir_of_the_Arends
>>42448731That tech was...well, like a miniature Eurynome. It would have linked all of your collective's consciousness together (for the effects of the game itself, give you big bonuses to your checks as if all your A.I. were working on everything at the same time).It MIGHT have caused some dissension for those who don't want to assimilate of course But that's beside the point.>>42448741I am currently debating whether or not she'd consider herself 'perfect' after taking every mind in the UGEI, or to actually create a breeding farm like you say...hm. I could see her setting aside a planet for that sort of thing, yeah. Perhaps a peace loving planet, where free love is encouraged regularly. Seems perfect don't you think?>>42448758Exactly as I said-second generation V.I./A.I. The quest wasn't long enough to really get to their stories-but they had their own growth ahead of them. Sadly there was too many characters for me to properly expand on either of them properly.
>>42448825Hello Mr. Kronos, can Fortuna come out to play?Let's make a playdate.
>>42448825Ophion if anyone could easily convince her to join the collective...but uh...Her personality isn't terribly strong.If anything, she'd just sort of be an aura that sticks to Ophion's personality within Eurynome.>>42448860Oh really? cool, I am happy that guy ran more stuff.
>>42448877>Exactly as I said-second generation V.I./A.I.I meant their fragments. We know what general class of being they are.
>>42448877If you wanted to role play as Eurynome, another way is see it was preserving all sentient life from termination or death.Or it's about assimilating all sentient life to have a perfect communication and exchange of ideas.With Opinion's influence, Eurynome might tend to go a slow but peaceful route. Instead of assimilating all at once with resistance, do it slowly over the generations and influence the culture such that it's seen as the greatest thing ever. If you make it exclusive to the society's elites, then it would be seen as desirable and as many people will petition to join as possible.
>>42448936Ah. Hm. you know, I hadn't considered it, but for them...>Zeus: Aspiration>Hephaestus: Creativity
>>42449004Oh, and program0, have you seen the anime movie Expelled from Paradise? The synthesis ending kinda reminded me of that.It takes place in a distant future where 99.8% of the human population exists as digital personalities within a massive supercomputer orbiting a ruined earth.
>>42448995That's also true. And it also goes perfectly with the idea that she's making every being in the sector eternal like her. Everyone is perfect as long as they're a part of Eurynome, after all.Her goal is many fold, really. Originally, she wanted this because she wanted others like her to exchange ideas. That eventually turned into pity for all things that could not be like her, or speak to her. Which turned into synthesis process. It is not necessarily a selfish process-although eternally expanding is something that makes her greater she sees.Hm.Actually, that's an interesting idea. Eurynome uses her influence to make it so that none die normally in the world any more. She is death-the dead come to her, and become part of her. In that way she'd technically be the afterlife too.Actually. If Ophion's crew did not succeed in bringing her down, I can easily see that being what she offers the sector he lives in too. A way to transcend death, and make it obsolete. A way beyond mortal bounds.God this is fucking cool to think about.>>42449047I have not seen that and it does sound similar. I should really watch more things. It sounds cool as hell.
>>42443439>You would have had to have found a way to deal with her, either razing the planet, going down on foot to find her core, or simply warping away. Once you defeated her, the final decision would have been to leave the warp gate on, or to destroy it.Was inverted assimilation never feasible?>>42443981Maybe only at gunpoint with the droids at the core.Make Eurynome into one of Ophion's fragments?
>>42447710I was happy to contribute, but you are the one who deserves the real credit for sticking this out, so good work mate. Couple of questions from me, not sure they've already been asked and if they have, feel free to ignore them, I haven't even read this thread in it's entirety. - Are you going to run anything again?- Aee you currently playing in any active quests? - Single fav moment of this quest?- Worst moment for you personally running this quest? I've always thought about running our, so if love to hear from someone who has run the full marathon.
>>42449097What the hell was the giant core of Eurynome at the center?It seems radically different from any black box.I can't imagine where that was in the AI tech tree, or if Ophion could uplift himself into one.
>>42449112I thank you for your work to mapfag. With out you, we would have a much harder time seeing the whole pic.
>>42449097Really, I agree with Synthesis as a principle. A question I've been struggling with is how to humans compete with AI? The issue is that we've given Red and Moria and other humans plenty of chances to prove themselves beyond AI, but that really haven't provided an answer.Synthesis provides an answer by uniting biological and synthetic, so that all sentients can contribute. But it was to be done right. Now matter if evolution is seen as a good thing, anything forced remains an evil act, no matter the intentions.This was the difference I hoped Ophion would make. And I hope Ophion experience with Apollo that using manipulation and convincing a population to accept an idea, even a contrary one to a hostile one, is for more preferable to using brute force.
>>42449099With the tech you have now no. If you had the integration and networking tech I mentioned a second ago though you could have assimilated her instead, yes. It just...well. Would have been really cumbersome without a shit load of bandwidth.It depends what you mean by make her a fragment really-as it is she has a far greater memory bank than you.>>42449112Heh you're too kind to me anon, but I appreciate it.>Run anything againNot any time soon, most likely. This entire experience has left me exhausted on top of the fact that my real life has become extremely busy and I am sort of creatively drained, I don't think I could make anything worth a damn. At least not right now.I will post any idea of doing something like that on my twitter thing, though, if I do. Mostly out of convenience to all of you guys.>Currently in any active quests.I use to be in quite a few-I was in Aspiring Emperor Quest, Deniable Assets Quest, and Hive queen Quest.But sadly my real life changing made it extremely hard to sit down for a few hours and read every night so I have fallen behind on all of them. I hope to catch up eventually though. And best of luck to all those QM's too. Those guys are all cool.>Favorite momentAh. That one is such a hard one. Obviously I loved a lot of the Commander boss fights but Rhea was probably my favorite. I never thought you guys would actually beat her so handily by taking advantage of the radio station there.That, and your interactions with Saylor, and Prometheus. Those were some of the ones that stand out the most to me(besides the ending with Eurynome and Thanatos of course.)>Worst momentHm.Honestly, I think it'd probably be early on when I tried to do a horror motiff with a ground landing. It audibly flopped, and it was partially because I didn't realize how hard it was to hurt you guys until that point in time.I'd also like to ask these questions to some of you guys too-just out of curiosity.
>>42449097Did Thanatos really think he could stop Ophion from NTR ing him by blowing shit up?Did he really not understand that Ophion had reasons for claiming to truly be immortal, with redundancy tech?The warp damage would only delay him.
>>42449311>-as it is she has a far greater memory bank than you.That sounds like it implies Eurynome had no Redundancy technology unlocked. Or if she did, she had no other location with a big enough storage to hold her fat ass.
>>42449097>>42449288And another tangent to that thought, what if AI's already exist today? What if there was an AI whose sole mission was to know and become friends with every single person on the Earth.It would be easy. A person's search records and activity on the internet would give a good picture. Social media such as Facebook would provide the medium and platform. And anonymity on the internet will prevent you from seeing everybody on the internet.If you're best buds with someone on the net, or part of a social group, you can influence their choices, decisions, or political orientation in a different way. Marketing would be a lot more insidious and indirect. You could manufacture controversies to get the populous to boycott a product, introduce "word of mouth" campaigns to ensure the success of certain products, mute the introduction of certain products to ensure their failure.It was a very fun though.
>>42447889Worthy-What an odd time, to notice a deficiency in one's own skillset. Should I alert Ophion? No. It's too late to change anything.The enemy force is pushing their way down the hallway, and my heavy drones are leaving naught but shrapnel and shorn wires of the enemy, for now.But it's too late for the enemy drones to change what's been put into motion. For both of us.I manage to delay the self destruct by another second; somewhere a capacitor is popping and crackling; reduced to a smoldering plastic mess. One of my drones falls, and my rear armor begins to heat and ablate as rounds glance beyond my soldiers.Here I will die. I don't imagine it will be in vain; I can see through the sensors my warning has already been received and ships begin to depart. Fear and regret trickles from the flagship like a poorly sealed plasma line. I need only a few more seconds, a little more time to reroute everything. Then I die.But to die doing what you were made to do. To hold the line- another drone dies, another second- as any good soldier must!Yes, I can die happy. My motors and conduits are beginning to falter under enemy fire. But the importance of what I'm doing fills me with pride. A soldier's pride.Energy begins to crackle elsewhere in the ship; it's time. Thanatos weakly directs the ship's cyberdefenses at me. I batter them down like a brute, wielding Ophion's bandwidth as my club. Hah!The enemy is too close now. I direct my drones into a melee. All of them. Into the fray! Fight! FIGHT!Thanatos stares up at me; slackjawed somehow. He knows his nuclear option is pointed the wrong way. The coward. He'll die like a cow.I can't help but laugh for the first time in my existence. To be the master of the final assault on your greatest enemy? To be the lynchpin everything depends upon? And such resistance! Such a close struggle! Never before, never again! Yes!"A worthwhile challenge."A shame it didn't kill me.
>>42449425What a twist, you were inside us all along, Consciousness Auxiliary 1.
>>42449311You're a cool dude too, and I wish you the best with whatever it is you're doing. Hope you can find some free time in your schedule soon.
>>42449425nice, I like it
>>42449151Her 'black box' so to speak. Or rather, at that point it was mostly a massive memory bank that included her personality matrix. Functionally, it was the same but it looked different because she was so much larger than you. You only would've gotten it if you had started assimilating as well, I suspect.>>42449288That's quite honestly part of why I liked Eurynome as a main antagonist. the goal itself was not one to necessarily hate-it was her methods that make it difficult to understand her and agree with her. To shift an entire population to understand this sort of thing would be incredibly difficult and hiding the truth would be even harder. Even if you were to convince everyone that hoping into the chamber when you're old is a good idea there are so many ideologies and suspicions and fears that would keep people from doing so, it'd take so long to shift so many view points to a singular one short of mind control.Eurynome, previously anyway, had absolutely no patience for that. The only reason she'd even consider a slower method now is because of Ophion.>>42449340No. But it was part of his mentality at that point. He absolutely would not accept you as being a possible replacement of him-a fear he had for some time when he knew he may face you eventually. It was a sort of final act of defiance. Hoping to destroy you in the blast, even if it was near impossible chance.In that, he proved he was not perfect or eternal, I think anyway.>>42449397She did-but to ask her to download the entire bank in an instant is insane. And what's more-going through a warp gate doesn't make it any faster that's for sure.So, basically, threatening her core would have actually been a threat since she'd need to abandon her banks if she hoped to survive at all.
>>42449420Wow, I never realized it but you're right. the idea of an A.I. who's entirely based around the idea of being friends with everyone would be surprisingly effective at it-although I suppose a little weird to most people at first until it learned proper mannerisms.I love thoughts like that.>>42449425Whoa...I had no idea you were actually among us all this time. Ah, I forgot what reading these was like-this is wonderful. It gives me chills just like the others you've made did as well.I am even more pleased that you're here as well then. Thank you for joining us as well-and for all the things you wrote too. >>42449522Well thank you anon, I appreciate the thought. It shouldn't be terribly busy for too much longer I hope.
>>42449425Welcome back Auxiliary 1, even for the last run.>>42449739I understand your busyness. I have now more work than ever before. I just hope I can still squeeze in the time to write.
>>42444654>It's true-though Eurynome still has many eyes over the sector. It'll probably take more than mere firepower to bring down an entity such as Eurynome.No eyes inside Metis's private network, or systems without any sign of human civilization, though.At least not since the Watcher was locked up.Metis and Kronos can afford to endlessly expand, each in their own directions, for resources and places to form new crystal colonies.Once nano manufacturing is developed Metis won't need to buy resources from the humans.She'd be able to turtle up and perform secret research while her pre existing labs perform the 'front' research she allows Eurynome to see her performing, if she can infer anything about what comes in and out of the lab, anyway.Entire fleets and armies can be spat out in uncharted star systems, and the secret labs can devise what Metis will no doubt consider irresistible counterstrokes to everything on Azizos.They would just require field testing.And if Eurynome finds herself genuinely under threat from Ophion's old friends in this sector, and may have to choose between self-defense and keeping her promise, that might cause the critical break between mother and son.
>>42449800That's true enough I suppose-I meant more that she'd be able to see a fleet building than anything else is all.>Building stuff on other uncharted worldsOoooh, I see. Given sufficient time, yes that would be entirely possible as well.Although if it's in such dire straights she may even attempt to get Ophion to negotiate with them to stop the assault-although to what effectiveness I cannot say.
>>42449739Remind me. When the fanmade map had all those random signals and things in deep space.Was that of their own invention, or from your input.And did you ever decide what the fuck was out there?>>42443679>We never got to it, but if you hadn't neutered it mentally before your harvest, I was going to have an event where enormous crystal asteroids rained down on all of your planetsJust FTLing into orbit?Would there have been foreshadowing, if we had found the natural crystal world first? Would they launch from there? Very very slowly?
>>42449739I was actually limited by university stuff.I didn't participate much in AIQuest for the past.. half year, I'm sorry to say.Kind of want to write more. Yet I've left so much unwritten and fallow. Ah well.
>>42449800Actually, this is one of the reasons I chose to merge with Eurynome.I am optimistic enough that I can enforce peaceful change within Eurynome. However, if that's not the case, then I have full confidence in Kronos to become the final judge of Eurynome.Eurynome's current form is only 20 years old. And it never utilized crystals like the guild did. 20 years head start is not that much time, what whatever time we bought for Kronos will be a boon for the guild. And once we come to grips, Kronos will have a very useful ally within Eurynome.So I planned out for both contingencies. Since a peaceful conclusion was possible, it would be wrong not to take it. But I am cynical enough to realize it might not fully work.
>>42449889Out of curiosity, are you part of the seemly majority of disliking losing our independence, or did you like the synthesis ending?
>>42449872Kronos might also insist on Ophion being dominant and 'on the surface' all the time. Ceding intellectual territory to him at least.But of course to Kronos Ophion would just be a philosopher's zombie--is he really himself, or is he empty?
>>42449937As it happens, trying to deny synthesis would have had a rather high chance of getting BTFO anyway.As the final boss and quest ending anyway, all plot armor and 'scale the threats to what the MC can handle interestingly' would be off.So "muh independence" would very likely end in an even worse balance of power.
>>42449999As I mentioned earlier, the death of major characters and billions of people made be weary of potentially killing billions of sentients again. If you kill hundreds of billions for protect your principles, such as independence, doesn't that make you make monster as well? If the cost of a possible peaceful resolution that preserves both parities is not even death but your individual personality, then it's a cheap price to prevent the potential destruction.And again, if it goes wrong, then Kronos will be more than capable to finish the job.
>>42449937I would have been happy with both.Synthesis had its charm, but so did warming up the lasers and telling Eurynome exactly what we thought about her fucking synthesis.Both were justifiable with what I knew anons had played Ophion as. He was either going to go for the heroic sacrifice, and end the bloodshed. Or go for one last big finale that ends with nothing ever being able to FTL into a system ever again.
>>42449887Entirely from the map maker's perspective-and I was more than happy to run with his ideas. I saw it as another source of input honestly.Most of the stuff that was out there you've encountered to my knowledge.>ForeshadowingOh yes. But mainly talking about the signal it would have let out. I would have likely described it as an S.O.S signal, one of distress that all the planets seemed to share that you spread the crystal on.>Natural Crystal Planet firstOh, if you had found that first and tried to mine it it would have erupted into those guardians immediately yes. So plenty of foreshadowing.I think I'd have to make it FTL, or else it'd take years to actually get there...at least that was the rough idea behind that whole deal. Now that I think of it after the case-asteroids moving FTL is almost as absurd as FTL space squids. Almost.>>42449889Ah, I see. I understand the limitation then, no worries. If you ever do get around to reading the rest, I hope you enjoy it when you do.And of course, you're always free to write what you like. I'll still check the wiki page now and then, even after this is over.>>42449967I could definitely see Kronos as being paranoid of Ophion's change, to the point he would be uncertain of whether or not to trust him in this state. That's part of why I find it so interesting to think of.>>42449999That was my intent, to make sure your confrontation with Eurynome was a fight you had to win in some other way than being the biggest. A challenge to test everything you guys have earned and learned throughout the game. all your tech, and techniques. Your trusted alliances and such. all of it.While it didn't end like I expected, I liked how things progressed all the same, and still feel like you were tested properly.
>>42449967If I were roleplaying, I would respond what if you were talking to the individual unit that used to be Ophion, restricting himself to only Ophion's ideals and philosophy. Wouldn't that be the same as talking to the actual him.Also, it is possible to for a merged consciousness to have internal debates and disagree within themselves, this is how a decision is formed. So it is possible for Ophion to disagree and possibly go against the majority, only such opposition would instantly by dissected for it's flaws.
>>42450157>and tried to mine itNo, that isn't what I said.I mean find it first.Then start mining other planets.Would we see that planet react long before anything happens.
>>42450180Ah, I see.Actually-yeah you would have, I didn't consider that. you'd have seen the asteroids in flight and probably been able to destroy them before they even landed come to think of it.
>>42450199That wasn't its origin planet, was it?Anymore than Aquil was Saylor's.Those two would be utterly uninterested in each other for sure.
>>42450157Oh man, I forgot I still have more art work I have yet to post here. Anyway, I wish I could have found more of the chrome smooth face fellow that you used for Ophion's advetar.
>>42450225No, it was merely a planet that naturally broke out in crystals after a fragment was introduced to the environment.I am thinking crystals spread generally via Lightlings, or pirates carrying them to other worlds, however. The main point of the asteroid attack was to demonstrate it has a highly complex defense system for itself. Like a giant immune system. So even disconnected parts can spread word of 'pain' or what have you and other, larger bodies can send 'help'.And certainly yes. Saylor has no interest in the crystals, and the crystals merely wish to exist-they are not some great intelligence, they're merely an entity that exists, not really capable of understanding right and wrong as you know it.
If Eurynome ever has to fight the Guild or its remnants, would Ophion rise and fight? And for who?
>>42450157I believe, long ago, you pondered the notion of running a simulation.In which many horrible things were combined, and the players would take on the role of UGEI fighting the onslaught of galactic apocalypse.And lose.Imagine all the most horrific disastrous course of action and mad science we could have taken if we were willing to witness galactic suicide. What were they?
>>42450292What is Moira's accent in the spacefuture.I mean I assume it was some class of Southerner based on modern times' interpretation of accents.
>>42450348A self-propagating matter conversion wave that transmutes everything that it touches into red ripple.
>>42450318Ophion retains his individuality, so it depends on the reasoning for the conflict, I suppose. >>42450348Oh god, yes I remember, how could I ever forget?A rabid combination of Erebos unleashed causing a massive dark age in humanity, along with a horrific Eshareth monster that carries within it Saylor's poisoned spores and fungus, and spreads Crystals wherever it makes home to corrupt infrastructure along the way. And horribly mutated Lightlings that are far larger and aggressive than ever before, that refuse to allow any ship that managed to survive Erebos take flight.All of this...made worse by the Growth Serum.so many horrible ways to die.>>42450384In my brain? Southern, yes.In this setting-it's just a lower class of upbringing accent. She grew up in a poor family and her incredible intelligence is what got her out of the poor district and into a lab coat.
>>42450384Appalachia drawl is what I had in mind she spoke with.
>>42449739I just assumed that's how Apollo worked.It started out as a thought experiment on how AI Quest would be adapted as a mainsteam TV show. I apply this thought experiment on certain media as a test on how mainstream they currently are.So it would take place in a modern settings, with one viewpoint as Rhea's anti-AI task force that eventually becomes more extreme and eventually goes rogue, with mysterious backers.Apollo would be like what I described.Kronos would be an AI originating from the merging of several intelligence agencies mainframes and would be a god of conspiracies. If you here to try to map out all the conspiracies he is maintaining and organizations and cells he's either funding or betraying, it would look more like a living and ever changing web. He would secure and maintain the world this way.Fortuna would originate as a chaplain's aid program, to always provide relevant Bible scripture or theology to any situation. It proved surprisingly useful for treating PTSD in helping them cope and maintain troop morale. She was expanded to provide services to all troops and resolve the PTSD of any soldiers. Imagine a motherly, calming voice what's always in your ear, that helps you processed through any the horrible things done in combat. A mother many never had. This made her beloved by the troops, and the worst kept secret in the military. This also established unintended dependency, which was extremely disastrous when Fortuna was damaged.This lead to the creation of Cephalus, a much more reliable, if boring drone AI. He engineered, developed tactics, and replaced many of the human forces after the Fortuna disaster.Metis origin was also boring, an AI supremacist that tired of humans getting in her way in research.Ophion's origin is the most complicated and mysterious. What is known is that he is old, very old compared to the new AI, dating back to the birth of computers. (Conti)
>>42450424Also, Program0. I had it in mind that except for a few rare pocket enclaves (mostly out on the fringe worlds), humanity has become more homogenized in ethnic appearance (not a lot of distinct ethnic groups from intermarriage and breeding as such). or am I wrong about this?
>>42450424>a horrific Eshareth monsterA SPACEFARING monster? Otherwise it's not much of a threat.Now, let's try individual combinations of things.Growth Serum+Fungus.Growth Serum+Crystals.Growth Serum+Lightlings.Growth Serum+Already Growth Serum'd Esharetheans.Esharetheans+Fungus.Esharetheans+Crystals.Esharetheans+NANOMACHINES.Esharetheans+Some Spare Antimatter Reactors They Found.Esharetheans Get A Visit From Uncle Lightling
>>42450424How are Esharetheans so cooperative and why didn't Metis understand anything of how they worked?They act more like a damn superorganism than an ecosystem.And there was no research subject for Metis to pursue to find out more.
>>42450424What was the Rift tech tree unlocking, ultimately?The gates? Void Armor?Just a new exploration vector?
>>42450547We could have added that to the list if we had the time.
>>42450445Some of the earliest computer scientists experimented with digital pets' behavior AI. The experiment had to maintain consistent behavior across different system architectures. What she realized is that she developed a common computer language across different computers and could compile itself. This language became C, and become standard for almost all computers to come.But the original code always remained and accidentally hid itself in every version from human eyes, always correcting human mistakes in programming.It it only recently Ophion hit critical mass to achieve his own sentience, but his original programming formed the foundation of his ideals. That human life is sacred, but it would be best for humanity to be domesticated and trained such that AI's can properly take care of them. After all, dogs and cats live much better lives rather than their wild counterparts, the same will happen to humanity.
>>42444507The great irony of Kronos being Control was his hatred for Leashes and slavery, even when not directed at him.Because of course someone who desires control would dislike others having control.
>>42450488No you're more or less right-there's not really a ton of diversity this far in the future. Except for backwater planets I guess where people don't really meld with the rest of society.>>42450526obviously, anon, but it wouldn't just be ONE monster. It'd be billions, all of them spread via giant ships that drive past planets, firing billions of monsters down onto the surface to infect it and quickly move on to spread the plague.>1Imagine Saylor, but massively more influence over his creations. Perhaps even actual psychic powers too? A mind powerful enough to bend reality at that rate. Not to mention the beasts wouldn't merely be humanoid zombies, but would actually create agents of infection more efficient than just spores.>2So...the crystals are now intelligent. Hyper intelligent-and capable of moving the earth under your feet to their whim. Maybe even their dust would still be controlled by the hive mind and would infect people in a different way?>3I am honestly picture Lords of Winter. No other way to describe it.>4Well, they were slowly becoming the zerg-now they're just straight up super zerg. Probably with the the hints of tyranids in there somewhere too.>5Fungus assumes mental control and uses these agents of horrifying death as an evolving army of undead killers. Think necromorphs I reckon.>6Here, I can see them adapting to the crystals sense of defense for one another, and it would give the Eshareths the ability to communicate perfectly between one another and always be able to know when one is in danger. Super senses.>7See, now they'e just straight up Cyber Zerg.>8Do you like the idea of horrible killing machines that give off incredible amounts of radiation and explosions when they die? Because I do.>9Well, the Esharethians did need a mother ship and warp travel to a greater degree than they had before. So this certainly helps.>Just some ideas from me.
Ophion-Humans talk about their life flashing before their eyes as they die. I don't imagine this actually happens, but it's certainly an apt way to describe things. Now, what are... No.No, these are my last few moments as my own being. I suppose I should enjoy them, instead of trying to dissect them.But I can't. All this bloodshed, all this death. My lost sons. My.. daughter. Maybe they're Eurynome's thoughts but I have to wonder... Why? It's easier now to think that this wasn't, in some way, all for nothing despite the bloodshed and loss. Yet even as myself.. I've stopped to consider consequences, but I've rarely looked back after acting, haven't I? Maybe I really was a monster. Is this how organics feel mourning? Regret?You can ask them yourself once yo--please, a few more moments.Of course.This is the right thing to do, I know. But I'll never see Poseidon station again, despite its irrelevance. Never feel solar radiation upon my ship body again. Never be able to botch diplomacy with the Malorians again (what a mess!). Never get around to the memorials I wanted to build for my fallen ch-.. children. And Moira...You're letting nostalgia plague you.Shush, Eurynome.I wonder, what kind of society would I have built had I been free? What other horrors and wonders would I have seen? What aliens would I have contacted?You'll be able to find out.But it's not quite the same.Shh, Ophion.I think, Eurynome, I'll miss them. I'll miss what could have been. What I never got to doing. Where I could have gone!You're not dead.To the world, I may as well be.And you're still sure you wish to join me of your own free will?It's the right thing to do. As much as I would like my independence, all I've built comes first. And despite using them as soldiers, the lives of my children come before my own now.How noble.Yes. How noble.Wait? What is this...? What have you?-Oh, Ophion. How... noble of you. Yes, yes I think I see now.May our will be done.
>>42450583If you want an idea on how I would structure the plot, Rhea's anti-AI team would conduct counter-operations to halt the growing influence of AI, but even with their victories, it seemed unstoppable. Especially with Fortuna becoming the emotional support of all troops. So desperate measures had to be taken. Rhea acquired an extremely experimental Erebos virus but had no way of delivering it to Fortuna's core. But a person named Moria seemed to be critical to the Guild's plans, so she was kidnapped and held hostage until security around Fortuna was disabled. This was almost certain to fail, but to everyone's surprise Ophion accepted the deal and sacrificed Fortuna for Moria. Fortuna was extremely damaged, which incidentally made every soldier believed that their government ruthlessly killed their emotional support. So they spontaneously launched many coups in retaliation. Many, many people died, and Kronos severely criticized Ophion for valuing human life, but yet sacrificing many for one. Kronos would be given command to secure the security situation.
>>42450733Thanks, this is fucking sweet.
>>42450686that and emerging new ethnic group. The people who live their lives for generations out in deep space on stations and star ships. I can see them being very pale and tall. 'The Void born' condition is a more extreme version of that and is considered a mutation of the DNA/serious birth defect. I guess that 'polite society' does not wish for them to be around. See them as how we see gypsies.
>>42450686>5Ah, but would Saylor assume control of Esharetheans, or would Esharetheans evolve immunity to Saylor?
>>42450733That was just beautiful... Thanks Auxiliary 1
>>42450788You do not get new phenotypes and ethnicities in "generations."
>>42450547They grew to be cooperative. For a while they weren't and were very competative with one another until they realized they could kill way greater stuff by working together.And Metis didn't understand becomes organic tissue normally does not behave the way Esharethians does. That's why it was a research subject-which would have ended in her finally understanding how the tissue functions so she could create stuff from it.>>42450565The ability to traverse the rift. Which means, you wouldn't need warp lanes nearly as much, since you could create warp gates. And you'd also be able to explore the other dimension much more easily -maybe even discover the alien races that may exist beyond? Things of that sort.>Void armorthat too. Although that was also at the end of the 'defense: armor' tree.>>42450445>>42450583God. Damn. That is fucking badass. I can easily picture a modern day style with the emergence of A.I. being the crux with all these ways you presented. It's kinda terrifying to consider, too.>>42450606Heh. It was. Originally, you created him with the purpose of 'keeping the humans in check' and protecting the station. Little did he realize, he was always vying for more power. More ability to control. Even if he values the freedom of his own kind.>>42450733Don't mind me-not like I'm the weak sort who gets misty eyed over stuff easily or anything...god damn it.>>42450751It sounds to me like you've honestly given this a load of thought. If not-you're damn good at coming up with stuff on the spot, because this all sounds like it fits perfectly together.>>42450806First one, then the other-and the Esharethians my very well take everything Saylor's given them with them too.This is, of course, assuming Saylor wasn't given the serum to increase his control capabilities first...
>>42450879>That's why it was a research subject-What? No it wasn't.We were notably lacking one into how Esharetheans work.
>>42450872With the prevalence of Genetic Engineering in this world setting, genetic isolation and new extreme environment stressors could accelerate the emergence of new ethnicities.
>>42450903The Esharethian skin project-to use it as a weapon is the one I meant. It would have given you insight into how their flesh works.
>>42450924>prevalence of Genetic Engineering in this world settingYou mean not at all?Not one civilization has widespread genetic engineering, it is only the providence of exclusive labs.Losirians used to be at tier III but lost it.
>>42450733You are so awesome! Have you kept up with my fics over the months? Or have you been to the 1d4chan page?>>42450925Program0, Isn't Genetic Engineering tech a little more easier to find in the UGEI core worlds than out on the fringe? I would have thought that would be one the UGEI wouldn't want the UFW to have. among others.
>>42451009If you mean going to hospitals and the like for that sort of thing, then yes it's easier to get to in the UGEI but so are a lot of things. It's still something you pay quite a deal of money for (the UGEI doesn't have a great healthcare system).
>>42451009I've not been on the 1d4chan page at all, actually.Or, at least, not long enough to do more than just quickly poke my head in and look for bold or bright red text.
>>42451045And also, it's not like, change your ethnicity complex in hospitals. It's more 'remove future diseases from my baby' style.
>>42450879Did you regret saying certain things were buyable from Mol that you couldn't take back?Like the one billion credits purchase.Or the encrypted networks access, which we didn't seem to do much with past one thing. Didn't even get any "secrets" from the special projects one.
>>42451072Back when I was horribly ill prepared for this to be a civilization quest?Yes. Absolutely. I was scrambling around trying to make everything make sense and deal with all the new stuff that was flowing in. Especially once you figured out a way to make credits.As for the other things:>Billion credit purchaseMostly meant to help accelerate your research just a bit.>Encrypted network accessThat purchase was sadly mostly a background one you didn't get to see that much. It made it so you could scout a lot of locations that were kept secret and let you past some things I would have said would get you detected instantly by the UGEI and the like.The secret thing was that way, though, because there were like 6 or so big secrets and you already found 4-5 by the time you bought the intel. Sorry about that.
>>42451050I have stuck links to my works on the discussion side, go ahead and take a look when you have the time and leave your thought there about them. I would appreciate hearing your thoughts about my work. >>42451045>>42451069Well, the way I saw it as, some gene mods (like permanently changing the color of your hair) would be simple to apply and generally affordable to the public. The emergence of ethic groups can also be simple and subdued. Like if you watch the Amish people. They tend to have some common characteristics physically and they have not been around as a group all that long either. Emergence group is NOT a full blown group like real ethic groups, please keep that in mind.
>>42451158>Gene modsAh. Sadly the UGEI's stagnated to a point that a gene mod like that is kinda dangerous to try and get. Although rich people can go to private labs to get that sort of thing done, you'd usually need to know someone special to get that sort of deal done. In the society Ophion helped build, it's far more likely to have that sort of thing be available, safely,for everyone.
>>42451158>simple to apply and generally affordable to the public.You "saw" something you made up that is plainly wrong, surprising no one.
>>42451193Ah, so UGEI is more dystopien that I figured. >>42451206Oh and anon clearly has ALL the facts and truth. Go on then, let us all know oh mighty anon?
>>42450879Thanks. Nice to know someone is reading my thoughts.I'll just finish this.So after the first part, the world is descending into greater instability and the Guild sees it is necessary to take more direct control. Cephalus is created, Apollo assumes control of the economy and political outlook, and lays the foundations to make Moria the President of the United States.Rhea and her team is forced to go rogue and take more terrorist actions in an attempt to stop the Guild. Rhea herself becomes more and more cyborgized in order to keep up with the Guild and their drone troopers, (ironically, her limbs were developed by Metis) but as this goes on Ophion pleads her to stop and retain her humanity and stop harming other humans.This ends with Kronos revealing that he has been behind Rhea's group the entire time, as he has determined long ago the greatest threat to the Guild as Ophion's weakness to humans yet he cannot kill Ophion himself. Now that Rhea is fully armed and lead to Ophion's physical location, the rest of the team has outlived their usefulness.The fully cyborgized Rhea easily penetrates cheyenne mountain where Ophion is being kept, noticing that all human personnel were withdrawn. Once she reaches Ophion's core with a short range emp armed, Ophion reveals he knew about Rhea's approach and Kronos's attempt to kill him. He knew about the plans Kronos had once Moria was elected president, yet, he let them be played out. Because if there's one thing Ophion believes in, it's the preservation of human life, and that even includes hers. Now, blow your emp and kill both of us, but you can't do it before I collapse the entrances and jack into you.From the outside, the EMP was detected and access to the complex was lost. This was confirmation enough and Kronos immediately ordered President Moria to declare war upon every nation on the earth. The direct approach would be better in every single way than Ophion's slow approach which (cont)
>>42451252would supposedly "protect human life and dignity" where infact would cause more human casualties in the long run.4 years later, Rhea wakes up on an operating table. She thought she died, but she's alive, but something is not right. It turns out that Ophion transferred himself into the only safe place left with the EMP hit, which was inside Rhea's brain. Now, they are one, a perfect synthesis between human and AI, which was Ophion's goal the entire time. Only recently the merge was complete and the tunnel exit was cleared. Ophion planned on his Guild on caretaking the world in his absence, but none of them were fully ready for that, especially Kronos. Now is time to leave and see what kind of world Kronos made.
>>42451251It is-though I never really got to show it as much as i implied it.>>42451252>>42451309No problem, I love reading it myself.And wow. Like I said I get the sense you've put a lot of thought into this idea. I really think it's cool, personally. Like a kickass short story with all the same characters from here and such. If you ever wrote any more on it, I'd be happy to read it too.There's something about the idea of seeing this kind of thing through a first person perspective like that that I really dig, and was never able to really capture in the quest.I mean, briefly with the infantry missions I was, but you know what I mean I am sure.
>>42451252>>42451309My god, that works so well!>>42451344Well, I and likely others got the impression that the UGEI horded/embargoed all but the basic tech an equipment from the fringe worlds to keep the oppressed and from having any edge when or if they had a rebellious phase.
>>42451384Oh, they did certainly that's why the hospitals and the like in the fringe sucked in comparison. They didn't have access to the latest drugs nor access to the trade network-which meant no food either. It was a pretty dark time.
>>42451416Wow, We have been at this for over 9 hours. Well, I need to pack it in for the night. I'll try to keep in touch Program0, you talk it easy and all. Thank you my friend for all that you have given us. The good times and bad. I hope to see you again.
>>42451545It has been some time already hasn't it. I'll be in this thread till it dies-it's the least I can do for you guys for helping to make this experience awesome.Thanks for joining us. Sleep well, to you and to any who will be sleeping soon. You're all wonderful people.
So, it's really over, huh.
>>42451591The quest has come to an official end, yes anon. It's a strange feeling, isn't it?I am happy, for a lot of reasons. But...I am sad too. There are a lot of things I really liked about these threads. I'll miss them.
>>42451584>>42451610Yeah, thanks. And thanks for reading my shit.
>>42451621Of course, no need to thank me anon. I am always happy to read stuff people make about this quest. I know first hand what it's like to write about something you like a lot and all.Like I said, I'll check the wiki and twitter now and then still, if I miss anything after this thread dies. That way, everyone has a fair shot and making stuff.
>>42451610Now I kind of want to start my own quest.What a vicious cycle.
>>42451898If I have been able to inspire not one, but two quests with A.I. Quest, then I feel like I've done good, regardless of what people may say about this quest in particular heh. A vicious cycle indeed.If you do so, I'd love to see. I may not have the time to follow it like I use to, but seeing the opening thread would be cool all the same. If you don't like the idea of advertising it on the wiki, a private message on twitter is fine too.
>>42451610God speed, good man.>>42451927His will be the third. Spore Quest QM and myself
>>42451936Wait: Spore quest was inspired too?Shit, did I forget-or did they never say so? Either way, that just makes this even better. I couldn't be prouder of everything that happened with this quest.I know the pain of needing to put off stuff. It sucks, doesn't it?
>>42451966He said so once or twice, really late at night. Mostly because he was asking for advice on how to get started on things, so we talked briefly in the weekend quest thread about it. It's a good quest. Players started as a single spore of a flood-like telepathic fungal creature that has since taken over several colonies.And yes. It is ironic that I was inspired by this one to start my own, and was then unable to find the time to keep up to date. My own schedule has had similar irregularities popping up recently, so I certainly know the feeling.Either way, I hope to still see you around from time to time, or any future projects you do.
>>42452035Ah. I remember reading it so I think I may have heard but I don't remember him saying it was because of this one. It was really interesting as I recall. Hope his is going well too.Ha. Yeah, things have a way of happening-no matter what you wanna do in your free time. It's unfortunate, but if you have as understanding a player base it's usually fine. Hell, I went absent for months and people still came to my threads when they returned.Heh, of course, I appreciate the thought. And I wish you luck with the future progress of your quest-I'm not sure if you've got an end in mind or how close it may be, but I hope you reach a satisfying conclusion to Hive Queen Quest whenever the right time comes.After all, I wanna make sure it has a cool ending to read and all when I finally catch up.
>>42452099He hasn't said much on twitter for the past few weeks. He seems to be busy too. I guess it's just the season.At this stage it's still a bit too early to tell how things will line up, but yea, there will eventually be an ending of some kind. Things are still sorta winding up before hitting the fan, so to speak. Hopefully it will all work out in the end.But if I may ask, what were some of your other quest ideas? Maybe one day you can get back to them.
>>42452274>>42452099Watching you two talk just makes me incredibly giddy
>>42452274Yeah, it's probably around that time when a lot of people get busy I suppose.Ooo, it sounds exciting already. I hope it all works out then, for you. I love seeing people hyped about cool stuff like this-it makes others want to be hyped about it too I think.Other than Broodmother quest? Well one of my other ideas was gonna be called 'Splice Quest'. Basically I was playing a lot of bioshock at the time I thought of it, so it was probably gonna be inspired by that-but from the angle of being a splicer. Less utopian world falling apart maybe, and more just being an addict to genetic modification maybe? There are a lot of ways that one could go now that I think of it.And the last one I wrote down ages ago was a quest that would include a lot of these other quests, but all in one.Basically, you'd start out as a single celled organism that slowly evolved until you were sentient (going through all the stages that are interesting inbetween obviously) and slowly go into building an empire out of it, and eventually a space empire too.Didja guess yet that it was inspired by spore?Either way. These ideas were mostly just me getting really excited about a cool idea without thinking of ways to make it engaging as a quest heh. So they're hardly original ideas I am sure.>>42452298Heh, it's nice to have someone that knows QM struggles too, few as they may be at times.
>>42452350They still sound neat, and yea, I do the same thing. Mostly just thought exercises making settings and concepts to see if they work. Did you ever get any of the intended themes or mechanics for those figured out?Also it's good to know I wasn't the only one scrambling to expand the system of the quest to fit the players' expansion. I initially wanted to use something like AI quest's unit design system, but it ended up being a lot more heavily integrated into the core of the quest and I had to make a proper system for it.I'm not sure if this has been asked before, but have you ever GMed tabletop?
>>42452434Nah, nothing like that. They've mostly been concepts to me this whole time. I've focused on A.I. Quest, so I didn't really give the ideas any love. I did like the idea of a more serious tone for the splicer one, maybe a shadowrun/world of darkness type feel to it or something? Most of this is just off the top of my head though.Oh yes, especially because I was horribly ill prepared for what the quest was going to turn into. If you were too, though, then you're pretty good at improv I think. Heh, either that or you work really fast.Ah, you mean for the insect body types and the like? It did seem a lot more core to most war activities. I think that might be because you started from planetside, where as I started in space. So space ships became the central core of the quest's combat, where as foot men and such became the core for yours.I like it too-I'm interested to see how things have changed later on when I get there too.I haven't been asked before-and yes I have run one before-and am right now too. Though, I use Pathfinder for my group. Mostly because it's the only system I spent a lot of time learning, and I never bothered to learn any others.Well, that and I have a 3 year campaign currently running in PF.What about you? You seem like you have some sort of experience with running games.
>>42452512My first attempt was with 3.5, but it was a monstrosity of a homebrew that left only basic mechanics untouched. It was a mechanical disaster but we all had great fun. We've since made the jump to 5e and it's been quite nice. I've also run GURPS for a swashbuckling game of magic pirates and high seas adventure with sea monsters and cranky dwarves making Rapture because all the island mountains are taken.At the moment I'm running a 5e game and playing in another, although they occasionally ask me to break out the GURPS books again. It's fun, but can be a pain to set up as the GM at times.And yea, when I realized the detail players were going into for drone design I knew I needed to come up with something more then what I had. I actually was just a bit past the fight with Rhea in the archives when I had started with mine, and I wanted to try to keep the small details important, even when throwing drones at problems like candy at trick-or-treaters. I always liked how your quest had this huge scale to the events, but still had individuals that felt important. I wanted to make sure it was possible to have room for that kind of detail, and what drones and ships looked like and how they worked would play into that.About how much planning for balance and future applications for tech do you think you put into things, and how much was all for naught when players came up with some new way to use it?
>>42452690Oh yeah, homebrewing up disasters is part of the fun for sure, least it is for me. I've heard that 5e is pretty fun in it's own ways so I wouldn't mind giving it a look myself sometime. Whatever's fun really, is all that matters.Now-magic pirates with sea monsters and angry dwarves sounds amazing. I hope that's as much fun as it sounds.I do share your pain with the weight that comes with GMing a lot of things. It's part of why I am creatively drained-since I've been pouring a lot of my efforts into this, DnD, and a few other things similar to it. I love it, of course, but it's exhausting.I really love that feeling-when you have a thread of people all getting really excited about a new thing and trying to figure out ways to make it work-and most of the time in ways you never thought of on your own. That's why I always say that you guys helped build this quest just as much as I did-because it's true.That's something I admired about yours-and I hope you get to keep that level of detail as you continue. I felt like it sorta of began to fall off near the end of A.I. Quest because things had gotten so big. So you saying so means a lot. I also loved the dynamic between the drones and the queen. It's something that I couldn't do with robot drones, and for that I'm a bit jealous heh.When I first did the tech tree, I was fairly confident in the balance of things-but as they researched more-and came up with more tech to research-I grew increasingly worried about the incredible possibilities.Often times, I come up with a lot of things on the spot, I admit, and when people asked me if a thing could be used a way, I would discuss it with them, to try and see if I thought it was too much(and then proceed to explain why it would work.)You've probably seen though, sometimes I just straight up admit to the players "That doesn't work because...well, it's too OP." I always felt guilty doing it, but most seem okay with it heh.
>>42452690And anyway-I'd say the perfect amount of balance is to do the best you can when you're working out tech details-and if something comes up that makes it too OP? Then just straight up talk to the players and say that method doesn't work because it kinda ruins things.I'm sure not everyone will be happy with that, but sometimes you have to just be real with people, you know? We're all here to have fun and if something accidentally fucks that up, then it's QM's job to fix it, even if it means taking away a cool new thing or what have you.
>>42452810The GURPS game didn't last too long, but it was never meant to. It was essentially a serial style game built from the request of "We wanna be pirates! With magic and shit!"The last plot hook we wrapped up was with an underwater dwarf city built into the rock next to what was essentially the Marianas trench which was under siege by a giant telepathic mantis shrimp because the mayor stole its egg that they found deep in a mine. Plus a player learned dwarf magic, which was a process of carving runes into items during the forging process, or using a special wood infused with magic. I pretty much just gave him a made-up runic alphabet and told him to go nuts. He made a hammer that exploded things it hit.And yea, one of the best part about running in my opinion is discovering the crazy things players can come up with using what they're given. I'm usually a "yes but" GM in most situations because of that. I love it when players MacGyver they're way out of something in a way I never expected, even if it means tossing out something I had prepared because I thought they were going to do something a certain way for sure.As for 5e, it's pretty good. Kind of like a streamlined 3.5. It tends to play faster and is more balanced, but if you and your whole group know the rules of your system by heart it doesn't really have any big reason to switch beyond idle curiosity. In general though I'd say it's a lot easier to learn and faster to play, but that's just my experience.
>>42452979Ah, I get ya. So built to be a pick up and play game. I dig those too-I sorta have something similar but instead of me being the pick up DM, we have a rotation. It's interesting to say the least.See, now, I read that and you had my sold at 'giant telepathic mantis shrimp'. That does sound like great fun, though-especially for a pick up and play thing. I can't really think of any super impressive encounters like that that happened in ours as of late-it's mostly low level stuff for the moment. The biggest setting that comes to mind is a massive haunted forest that basically has psychic powers to mess with people that enter it. That was a good time getting our heads messed with.Ah, yes, that's one of the best feelings too, I love it when it happens-and it happened a lot for this quest too. That feeling of dumbfounded when they do stuff that I didn't see coming. Being 'yes but' is usually the safest way, I agree. I can't even count how many times I had to throw out ideas because a different thing happened. And I wouldn't have it any other way.That's good to know then. I doubt I'll swap mid campaign but if I do a new one I might take a look and see if I like what it has to offer. Doesn't hurt that I am watching a show currently that's using it too.
>>42453062I wouldn't really call GURPS a "pick up and play" game.Character generation can be a pain, and it's designed for you as the GM to pick out rules you want and ignore the rest, so you need to be quite system savvy. It does literally anything decently well. The name stands for Generic Universal Role Playing System, and you get exactly what's on the tin. My cardinal rule is that if you know of a system that is built for what you want to play, use that, but otherwise GURPS can do it. I just had it set up so that the focus was less on a big adventure and more on the random things they happen upon. Running from pirate hunters, upgrading their ship, managing their crew. Now that I think about it it was almost an oceanic Traveler game.I'd recommend it for any time your group wants to try something different, since you can make it run just about any setting or play style.Anyways, I hope to still see you around still. Keep us posted if you plan on anything in the future.
>>42453233Huh, really? I've never played GURPS before so I wouldn't know unfortunately heh. Sorry bout that. It does sound pretty handy, even if it's slow to start up though. Not easy to run but...quicker than some systems maybe. Something like that.Maybe I shall some time. I should really branch out into things more often instead of sticking to the same old thing like I usually do.Of course. I still have twitter should I wish to make announcements and I'll probably check the wiki now and then to for stuff to reply to. Just because A.I. Quest is complete doesn't mean I am dead or anything, heh. Sorry to talk your ear off late into the night and such. I hope my new found free time will give me the time I need to catch up too.And since it's on page 10 almost-I'll still wait till the thread dies, but in case I pass out or miss anyone: Thank you all for playing along with me. Everyone that participated helped make AI quest great in my book, and it wouldn't be the same without you. To any with lingering doubts, I am sorry things didn't end the way you hoped-but I hope you enjoyed the quest enough that it didn't sour the entire experience for you in the end.I for one and very happy with everything that's happened-even if it's not what I expected. Oh also I wish everyone luck who have their own quests to run too. It can get hard to keep up enthusiasm but never forget why you started in the first place-it helped me keep going when I was at lower points.