Everyone's already made a fantasy world set in medieval Europe or Asia. Let's have a thread about the Native Americans and the fantastical worlds we could build using them as inspiration.
I'd like to know way more about Native American folklore than I actually do.
>>41910800Aztecs are best natives, hands down (fuck the Mayans). That being said, there is quite a lot you can do. Aztecs would make great Imperial archetypes, as they're basically the closest thing the New World has to such things. >>41911059Which ones? That's like asking for African folklore - there's a fuckload of it.
>>41911145All of them, obviously.North American tribes more so than South American, but those are still interesting, too.
There's a sad Iroquois legend about a lonely man who carved a girl out of wood, and the forest spirits pitied him so they made her real.Then he broke a taboo and she turned back into wood.I'm a Lakota so I'll stick to what I remember. There's two groups of spirits, the tobtob kin and the wakab sica.The tobtob kin are the light gods, and the wakab sica are the dark gods. Now understand, it's not a Christian "good vs evil" thing or angels vs demons. The tobtob kin just behave in a more comprehensible manner. They can be just as cruel as the wakab sica. And the Wakab Sica can be nicer than the light gods.Anog Ite (Double-Face Woman)Originally Ite, daughter ofSkanand wife ofTate. Caught while attempting to replaceHanwiby seducingWi, She is condemned to bear two faces, one beuatiful and the other hideous. She is in some ways a figure of disharmony, of turning aside from tradition - She appears in dreams to young women, offering to teach them the skill of Quilling (Quilling is a complex and difficult technique of matching, dyeing, and attaching porcupine quills to a robe and full-length quill robes are rare and valued ceremonial garb.), or sometimes other crafts. The role of a quiller is regarded as a valued skill, but good quillers do not follow societal norms: they spend most of their time attending to the needs of their craft, and seldom marry: many become lesbians, in fact.Anpis the spirit of light, especially the reddish sunlight of dawn. Created bySkanas sourceless radiance in replacement ofHan, the icy emptyness ofMakawas thus revealed, whereupon Wi was created; but then things became too hot. It was ordained, therefore, that Han should be recalled from the place of exile under Maka and Anp go there, but only for a short while - they should follow each other in regular fashion in order that Maka be not too hot, or cold, or dark, or bright.Capa is the beaver spirit, and is the spirit of hard workers and peaceful homes
>>41912079This is super cool, post more!
Cetan is the hawk spirit, he reminds us to be swift and maintain staminaHan is the spirit of darkness, he existed before creation. He was banished to the core of the earth by Skan and replaced by Anp. But light and dark need balance so they made a steady truce. This makes sure our world isn't too hot, cold, dark, or bright.Hanwi is the moon spirit, created by Wi to follow him on his cosmic journey.Hehaka is the elk spirit, and deity of sex and lust Heyoka is the spirit of perversity and chaos. He bears two faces, one joyful and the other despair. Heyoka is responsible for meteors and such. Men who dream of Wakinyan become a Heyoka. They laugh in sadness and cry with happiness. They strip when it's cold and complain about freezing when it's very hot. They have healing and dream reading powers. And they fly into sheer terror when thunder and lightning appears.Hihankara is the Owl-Maker. She is a crone who stands upon the sky-road (what we call the milky way galaxy). She examines the souls of the dead (Nagi) for their tattoos. If they don't have them, or they're poorly made she shoves them back to earth where they wander as ghosts.Hnaska is the frog spirit. He is the deity of magic. Hogan the fish is the water spirit.Iktinike is the son of Wi, and was banished to earth for telling lies.Iktomi the spider was once Ksa the god of wisdom. He lost a duel against Gnaskipeya and became a Heyoka. He can speak any and all languages, and taught humans to talk. He's always up to shenanigans and wacky hijinks. And he also loves mayhem. He frightens animals to make them run, turns invisible, and shapeshifts all to mess with people. One time he allegedly convinced our tribe to stop farming and become nomads because he's an asshole. And a MASSIVE perverted freak. If you have two X chromosomes, run. If you're old enough to not need diapers, he will try everything possible to molest or fuck you. Hell, guys aren't safe either if there's no girls around.
>>41910800You mean a setting where I can have potatoes without someone going full autism? Sign me up!I feel like Native American lore is chock full of great stuff for RPGs anyway
>>41912594>They laugh in sadness and cry with happiness. They strip when it's cold and complain about freezing when it's very hot.Kek that's me.This is all pretty cool. I find Animism to generally be most interesting than most other religions.
Iktomi however, is still honor bound to spread wisdom far and wide. And he slew Iya by ripping him open from the inside out. He'll even screw over the Wakan Sica despite being a member, if it's funny.Inyan is the primordial entity. The first living creature. He was lonely, and created Maka the earth spirit out of himself. Creation drained much of his power, and he eventually settled into the form of rock. Now he just passively influences the world. His blood is the origin of rivers, lakes, and other bodies of water. Iktomi and Iya were his sons. And Unk was his lover at one point.Iya is the spirit of malevolence. He is the cause of all the evils in this world. Directly and indirectly. Unlike his trickster brother Iktomi, Iya just wants to cause as much pain, destruction, and suffering as possible. He delights in screaming, misery, and tears. Iya devours endlessly. His name literally means "mouth" . He often manifests as raging storms, or a colossal giant. And he once tried eating Maka (fucking earth itself). Iya fucks his own mother.Ka was the first woman, the wife of Wa and mother of Ite. She aided Ite in her bid to supplant Hanwi, and for this she was banished to Earth and separated from Wa. Here, she became known as Kanka, a great witch, and gives aid or provides difficulties to those She encounters, as she choses.Keya is the turtle spirit of health, safety, and healing rituals, especially surgical treatments. We make little turtle amulets for small children to protect them.Maka is the earth spirit. She was cold and barren, but didn't know until Skan created Anp. Maka complained to Skan, and He created Wi to warm Her. The sun was too hot, though, and Maka continued to complain, so Skan arranged that Anp and Han should follow each other in regular order, which satisfied Maka. Mato is the bear spirit, and the cause/patron of our passionate emotions. He's a healer too, and loves playing pranks like Iktomi.
Mica is....Mica. The Coyote. I'm pretty sure even you guys have heard about this nigger in your 5th grade white guilt social studies classes when you reached pre-columbian america. Coyote is such a rascal even the other tribes have legends all about his antics. He's almost as bad our Iktomi. He is especially involved in the Ta Tanka Lowanpi, the girls puberty rite ritual: young women who experience their first periods are isolated, and instructed to carefully bundle the blood, so that it may be lodged in a tree (tree spirits will aid in fertility). Iktomi persuades Mica to try and carry off such bundles, thereby gaining control over the girl (giggity giggity goo) but if they are protected, he cannot identify them.Okaga is the spirit of the South. Bringer of the south winds, and a fertility spirit associated with warm weather. He's red and the main directional wind spirit. Skan is the spirit of the sky. He was created by Inyan and helped out Maka when Han and Anp were being faggots about light and dark.Sungmanito is the wolf spirit. And obviously the chief of hunting and war.Sunka is the dog sprit, he's the spirit of friendship and loyalty. Taku Skanskan is the wind spirit of chaos, ruler of the 4 winds and the 4 creatures of the night (Raven, Fox, Vulture, Wolf). He sends his servants out to cause disease, war, famine, etc. but also spring.If you saw dances with wolves you probably know what Ta Tanka means: Buffalo. For some odd reason, we consider him the spirit of food and overall anything good. He is eternally in conflict with Mica, because Ta Tanka protects the young girls from him and Iktomi's perversions. Tatankan Gnaskiyan is Crazy Buffalo. He's an evil spirit and causes breakups/divorces, suicide, fights, and murders.
Tate is the wind spirit and friend of Skan. He married Ite and they had 4 kids. Ite was in love with Wi and tried to get between Hanwi and Wi. Tate found out and had her banished under Maka. But he was merciful, and let their 4 sons stay close to her. Uncegila was one of the monsters Unk and her sons produced through incest. A massive reptile, she lurks the deep and dark parts of the world. She is freezing cold and can kill with one look. Initially, the victim is blinded. A day later, he goes mad. Two days later, he's foaming at the mouth. A day after that, he dies, and his whole family dies. Two orphan brothers, one of whom was blind, killed Uncegila using special arrows that never missed. After that, they were instructed to not listen to it for its first three requests and then do whatever it said from then on. In doing so, they would get whatever they asked. Every day, it came up with more complicated ceremonies, though, and life became boring, getting whatever they wanted, so they stopped listening to it, and it exploded.Unk is the spirit of discord. She was the first of the Wakan Sica, and was meant to be the best friend of Maka. He gave birth to Iya after her love affair with Inyan. She lives under the waters with Iya, breeding dark creatures. Wakinyan hates her more than anything.The Unktehi are serpent monsters who taught man how to body paint. They love eating human flesh and cause floods. Wakinyan defeated them in an epic battle.Wa was the first man and father of Ite. He tried to help her usurp Hanwi and was banished. He became a medicine man known as Wazi and now wanders the earth, giving aid as well as hardship to those he meets.Wambli is the eagle spirit of tribal councils and war.Zuzeca the snake is the spirit of lies, secrets, and all hidden thingsYum is the tornado. He's in charge of games, luck, and romance.
>>41912079>>41912594>>41913066>>41913420Neat.Are there any comprehensive books on this subject?
White Buffalo Calf woman aka Whope taught us many things. She first appeared to two young hunters. The first hunter was so enchanted by her otherworldly beauty that he immediately tried to hug her. There was a flash of thunder, lightning, and smoke...and he was utterly vaporized. The other hunter cowered in terror and he led her to his village where she taught the Lakota to use pipes and our calendar. She taught games, manners, and dance.Wiyohiyanpa is the eastern wind spirit and lord of beginnings. He's in charge during the day.Wi is the Sun. And the ultimate paragon of masculinity. Wiyohipeyata is the western wind who finshes things and is in charge of events at night.Waziya is the north wind and guardian of the northern lights. He brings ice, snow, diseases, and famine. And his arch nemesis are Okaga and Wakinyan. Wasicun means anything hidden or strange. It often refers to the medicine bag borne by the shaman, containing objects imbued with great power that he uses in his work. Such objects, together with the bag they are within, are thought to take on an independent existence in their own right, and thus must be carefully dealt with.Wakan Tanka is the Great Mystery. A lot of non-sioux think it means God. Nope. Wakan Tanka is the supreme power of the universe. Imagine if every last spirit in existence gathered around a big fire in a single council. That is Wakan Tanka. The collective force of the universe. Inyan was the spirit of Wakan Tanka itself. It is an impersonal force within all things, animate and inanimate alike. Some things have more of it than others, though - language is wakan, food is wakan, medicine/"magic" is wakan, birth and death are wakan. To be a medicine man is to develop a great deal of wakan within oneself, and to utilize it conducting rituals, interpreting dreams, healing, and understanding hanbloglaka, the language of the spirit world.IIRC the Aztecs had a similar idea.
>>41914003Hell if I know.But I'm sure there's a bunch of them out there. Things have gotten way better since the 80's when plastic medicine men were everywhere. In those days people understood our beliefs about as well as Neon Genesis Evangelion was an accurate depiction of Christianity.
We don't really know exactly where the spirit world is. The old folks said it existed "somewhere beyond the pines". At the very edge of the world. It lies even beyond the winds. It's never cold, you're never hungry, and you never have to work in the spirit world. But the dead should stay dead, and the living should move on with their lives. Being a ghost is just as scary and unnatural as a human trying to stay in the spirit world before his time. You seek out a medicine man to help the spirit go back to its proper place. Iya is a dickhead. He never stops trying to hurt everyone and even ghosts are in danger with him lurking about. He's particularly jealous of the Sioux nation because we're that swagged out.Any medicine man who communes with Iya is evil. Such shamans are taught to turn humans into animals, and can kill you with a spoken spell.
>>41914074>The other hunter cowered in terror and he led her to his village where she taught the Lakota to use pipes and our calendar>use pipesCan you offer any detail on the significance of pipes in native americlap culture?
>>41914379I don't know what the pipe means to other tribes, but for the Lakota-Sioux it carries our prayers to the spirits.I'm not at liberty to say what the significance of the various aspects of the pipe means, unfortunately.
>>41914566>I'm not at liberty to say what the significance of the various aspects of the pipe means, unfortunately.You're not allowed to?
>>41914861It's not illegal or anything, but it's Wasicun.I don't actually believe in any of this stuff literally, but tradition is tradition. Y'know I'd hate to see the fucking Crow and Blackfoot assholes mock us on Facebook.
>>41914963Glad to see you guys keep up with the old Tribal rivalries in a new era.
>>41914963>WasicunWhat's that?I'm from the UK and retarded, so this is all new to me.
>>41911145>Aztec>best american imperialsu wotHave you never heard of the Inca? The Andean people who established a legitimate empire comprised of 60 provinces?
>>41915064I'm guessing it's a bit like Kapu in Hawaiian culture/tradition.
This thread is entirely too devoid of Jaguar Warriors.
>>41915008Damn straight. If anything, the Internet allows us to count coup in a new way. Flamewars.What I never liked about the way people depicted indians in media is how we're always stoic and serious. Even the IRL Inuit are hot blooded and have a sense of humor. Playful insults and pranks are just what we've always done.>>41915064Secretive, mysterious
>>41911145in Mexico maybe.but for the united states-Navajo, the three Lakota tribes and the Confederacy of the Iroquois are the big dogs in America, IMHO.
>>41915339The Aztecs could field hundreds of thousand of warriors between Tenochtitlan and they allies, the Tlaxcalans alone some 100.000, the Lakotas or the Iroquois could field so many?
>>41915486In present USA and Canada, there were only about 2-7 million natives. Mexico and south america combined had over 100 million.
>>41915486The biggest force we ever assembled was something like 2,600. And that was with our Cheyenne and Blackfoot allies.
>>41915618100 millions is a big exageration and not very plausible, the Incan empire were 10 millions (the lowest 4, the maximus 34 but the most reliable guys seems to acept the ten millions) and the Tenochtitlan and friends (or bitches) some 5 millions (with the other free cities numbering like 2 millions, counting the savage chicimecas there and possibly adding lot's of thousand of hundreds more), from were you get all the other millions ?
>>41911170>All of them, obviously.Native here. A medicine man learns ALL of his tribes lore and is taught (hopefully) from childhood and they "graduate" around 30. Thats at least 20 years for one tribe. Theres hundreds of tribes. Each one is unique in its lore and only the very very basics tend to overlap.
Once upon a time, there was a cute little Lakota girl. She had a pet bunny that she carried around like a baby. She had a dear friend who wanted to honor her by carrying her "baby" on her back. Then some mean boys took the bundled bunny rabbit and played keep away with it. When the girl got the bunny back from them, the boys began throwing rocks at it and it died.The girl was very sad and her friend was so angry she never spoke to her again. The end. Not kidding, actual Lakota story.
>>41914003Theres a piss ton of books but none i'd say are comprehensive in anyway and they wouldn't be comprehensive added together either. We tend to not shove out alot/all of our culture into public domain since that ended very poorly for us and because some of it is just tribal knowledge only. i've even seen books that had outright lies on my tribe in what i hoped was sad attempt to flesh out bits because we're particularly tightlipped or at least a shitty interviewee.
>>41916020Aw shit, which tribe are you from if you don't mind my asking?
>>41915864If you look at the area these guys cover then it's perfectly feasible the rest of the continent has room for a few dozen million.
>>41914963Hey fuck you. The crows are the assholes.
>>41916128The rest of the area isn't that populated be cities and great towns like Meso america and the Incan empire , is motly pampas were very few people lived, desert or the jungle/amazones. Let's say the amazones plus coastal jungles have five millions and one million in the pampas and desert. Not enough people to say, not even half or a quarter 100 millions.
>>41916099I met a guy in New Mexico who claimed the Heyoka was some kind of brave LGBT crap before colonization. He asked to visit the Rez someday and learn "higher consciousness" from us. Shit was creepy af.
Fuck. Yes.This has been the theme of my setting in the works for about 8 months; since January or so. If you have any questions, just ask.
>>41916243Yeah. That stuff has taken a weird turn for us too. Some tribes have dualkin, halfspirita, doublespirits, etc. basically before colonization it came down to she was a tomboy or possibly a lesbian. Either male soul in a female body which depending on the tribe could have simply meant she acted like a man but got treated like a woman all the way to she was considered wholly a man. Too many often assume the later and even in heavily matriarchal tribes that wasn't the case and was frowned upon but the whole "noble indian" idea means we gotta be a fountain of pseudo spiritual stuff that set examples from others while they completely ignore that there were entire tribes made up of members stolen from other tribes during tribal raids because they lose to many people during raids for more tribe members and tribes that straight hate each other for no reason with a passion.
The macuahuitl is baller as fuck and I will hear no one say otherwise.
>looking at the indigenous people haplogroups.>Native americans second most common haplogroups is R1.So, you guys are slavs?
Is it kosher for a 100% white guy who doesn't have any native friends to just show up at a Pow Wow? I like to immerse myself in an exotic culture from time to time, but you know, if it's a thing that outsiders aren't supposed to see, I'm not going to push it.
>>41915339>>41915486>>41915763The biggest power in the U.S. boundaries was probably the Mississippian culture, but unfortunately we know little about them.
>>41916332I try not to get too butthurt because I know at the end of the day it's just ignorance. Knowledge is the cure.I mean, I'm sure if you asked me to explain Vajrayana Buddhism or Hinduism you'd walk away imagining something out of a video game. Everyone knows something, nobody knows everything.
>>41916490THE PALEFACE KNOW!SHUT IT DOWN!
>>41916534>filename>being this insecure
>>41916490Is the comment system fucked cause i just typed and posted this. We don't actually know. There appears to be evidence of tampering with data. You could be R1 while you his 3rd cousin are Q-M242 even though your entire family has remains on rez since the beginning. They also have all rez natives down on country record as O blood type where on rez private records are used for medical data since its maybe around half of us are O which is also the general stats for off rez.
>>41916806I found the North American natives, not the Siberian ones, to be more like beardless Iberians/basques without much body hair. Also some of you guys are pretty tall, is that normal?
>>41916534Well, most white folks I've known to go were either friends or relatives. But there's always a few folks who are just curious. Believe me, pow wows are just an excuse to sing and dance, in our case at least. You wouldn't be able to find us performing our secret traditions if you tried. Even other natives.Just don't be a sperg, SJW, or ignorant hick and you'll be good. Of course I'd just ask whoever is attending or organizing. Not all tribes are the same.P.S. nobody cares about your great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandpa who one time saw the dog of an indian
>>41916534Theres plenty of pow-wows that are friendly to everybody. I just went to mdewakanton last night. Indian days over at browning happened this july. They aren't like sacred pow-wows but they have plenty of natives sharing culture along with dancing thats for fun and professionally along with proffesional drummers. Pow-wows are amazing places and if they're publically announced and don't explicitly say native only its cool. Some tribes even let those that ask see some interesting stuff. Had a sundance about 5 years back that had an australian on a global walk about join us for a vision quest and a cancer patient that wanted to see what the afterlife might hold. Both were extremely white.
>>41915269Who /crepusculonegro/ here?
>>41916736>implying I'm ashamed that we managed to kick everyone's asses all over the worldImagine you're down at your local FLGS doing whichever subset of /tg/ you do with your nerd pals when a fucking Chad shows up. I'm just trying to figure out if I'd be a Chad in this scenario.>>41916966>>41917003>Believe me, pow wows are just an excuse to sing and dance, in our case at least. You wouldn't be able to find us performing our secret traditions if you tried. Even other natives.Well, that sounds pretty [REDACTED]
>>41916913Height varies by alot. My tribe has 2 body types for men and they run in families which leads us to believe we adopted a tribe awhile ago that "somehow" slipped our history. Either its short and stocky maybe 5'2" and really wide and muscley or +6' with a runner build with slightly wide shoulders. The shorter ones have round faces and big hands and the taller ones sharper and smaller hands. Thats just one tribe. Best way to look at it is see the different variants of things in europe and think of the tribes as a microcosm of that with each tribe as a nation and its people different in there own way.
>>41917101True pow-wows are very very very secretive and invite only. Sometimes its only immediate family of a chief and maybe the medicine man he trusts most. Things of import happen there that can decide the entire tribes future.>sounds pretty [REDACTED]Pretty much. We covet these things because they were almost forcibly taken from and only through sheer will and fighting did we even manage to maintain what we had.
>>41916913It's partly diet and partly genetics.When I was in Mexico the Nahua and Otomi indians looked very distinct from my own people.
>>41917101Just go and be curious. Just think of it as you showing up to a group first time for a game you only ever heard about by name but know nothing about. Most pow-wows have announcers that tell you when its ok to take photos or when to stand and sit etc.Actual native culture you'll just have to go to pow-wows and mingle then befriend someone that can get you in to certain low parts of our culture. Maybe even just ask stall owners about things. Hell one time a guy just walks up to the announcers booth and knocks on it. Announcer pulled him up stage and introduced him and had people come by for the entire day and tell him stories.
>>41917101Don't worry. We won't chase you away with bows and arrows. Ogala's honor.
>>41917581we have spears and horseys
>>41917581Hey, I trust you. I mean, it's not like that worked out for you last time.
>>41912594I think you are still underselling iktomi perversion. Yes he's done all sorts of things, but every story I've heard he made time to squeeze in some intense lechery.
In my tribal-based game that is heavily based off of North American natives; I had made up several tribes to put in the world instead of using real tribes for obvious reasons.Here's one.>Lizard TribeThey live in a mountainous region where not a lot of meat can be found, and have to travel far to get wood for weapons or buildings, so most live in tents or build stone houses.One of their primary food sources is a species of lizards which they have semi-domesticated. The lizards aren't very scared of humans unless the human tries to scare them, plus the people actually eat these lizards tails.Basically around the mating season these lizards will be even less scared of people and will sometimes even line up on logs or rocks with all their tails sticking in one direction. Then the humans, often children who make a game out of it, will tear off the lizard's tails and the lizards will go running off.The meat of the tail is cooked and the scales can also be rubbed off and used as a kind of weird reptile leather; useful in a place without a lot of animals to make regular leather.The lizards do this because during the mating season if they don't have a tail their mate will assume they outran a predator and dropped the tail to avoid capture, which shows off their fitness. The tail grows back again and again so they can keep doing this.Does this sound in any way realistic or at least interesting for a tribe's special 'gimmick'?
How did lizards become that go-to race for Native Americans?
>>41917647Operation Red Man's Revenge is coming along perfectly, brother.
>>41917765We have new bows.
>>41917891No idea. Especially when we're the closest thing to fey you'll ever see and alot of tribes wartime doctorines reflect that.
>anons itt pretending to be injunsCut the muh 1/16 heritage act. We all know you're just a tan white guy going through an identity crisis.
>>41918082Nah. Carded and everything. I even get casino payouts.
>>41918082Nyet. 100% pure. Even got free uni because red and military.
>>41917938FUCKThe thing about the image that alarms me the most is that it's a stock image.
Which elements of Native American culture is it disrespectful to use in games? Asking for a campaign I'm making.Like are the spirits/gods off-limits? Or just the really important ones? War traditions? Art with religious significance?
>>41918340Thats a hard question. I imagine using any element inappropriately would be, well, inappropriate. The problem comes along with our culture is a big and varied thing that you can't know entirely about unless you were born to it. Keep it respectful in the sense you would keep it respectful if you were playing an all black game. You would start with you and your homies smoking weed and drinking 40's before going to shoot up another gang. Appropriation is a weird and touchy subject and i'm not sure how to help there.
>>41918340>Which elements of Native American culture is it disrespectful to use in games?Everyone is offended by something. As long as you don't specify a tribe in particular, or make it "scalping rapist quest HEY HO WAYO" you should be good.>Like are the spirits/gods off-limits?Again, depends on the tribe. Men and the spirits walked side by side openly in the old days. When the beasts, trees, and other things could all talk. >Or just the really important ones?I'd avoid pulling any IRL named spirits into things. Guys like Coyote...have at em.>War traditions?Once again, depends on the tribe. We considered it a good thing to touch an enemy without killing them sometimes. And a few other tribes delighted in causing maximum suffering to their enemies and prisoners. >Art with religious significance?Eh, come up with your own if possible. It's okay to follow overall guidelines, but crude attempts at going one for one results in embarrassing shit.
>>41918533Damn. Said it better than i ever could.
>>41918533>Once again, depends on the tribe. We considered it a good thing to touch an enemy without killing them sometimes.Intriguing. Is this something that applies in all-out kill-or-be-killed combat?
>>41918630Sometimes. Theres also little big war which is what lacrosse is based off of. The example i know of is you carry a coup pole thats like a giant shepherds crux with a dream catcher at the crook. You gotta get close enough to touch an enemy during battle and then get back out alive. It has to be seen as well. you come back and people say you did it it brings honor to you and your ancestors spirits.
>>41918709Found a photo. Some are just sticks as well when they had to be made on the fly though those if possible will be made into coup sticks.
>>41918630It's a bravery thing.Imagine fighting in the middle east and patting a Taliban fighter on the head.Outright conquest happened, hell my folks were imperialistic jerks sometimes and drove woodland tribes onto the plains during our migration. But it was mostly limited to "tame" raiding
>>41918533>We considered it a good thing to touch an enemy without killing them sometimes.you mean like.. molesting them?
>>41918709>>41918748Ah, so it's a display of skill in close quarters combat.
>>41917938But can you wield a hammer?
>>41918762My tribe had longhouses and longtime grudges could be ended or outright humiliation can happen when a person sneaks over and cuts your hair off without waking anyone else and showing it off come the morning. Whats better? the humiliation of a hard fought defeat or the fact that during your so called hard fought defeat someone up and taps you on the head with a stick because he can and gets away with it?
>>41918868No but we got these new spears you call Javelins.
>>41918873>My tribe had longhouses and longtime grudges could be ended or outright humiliation can happen when a person sneaks over and cuts your hair off without waking anyone else and showing it off come the morning.So, it's basically>I COULD HAVE FUCKING ENDED YOU LAST NIGHT, BITCH, BUT IT DIDN'T, SO LET'S JUST BURY THIS HATCHET ALREADY.
>>41918944Yeah. Or its a nice way of making a new hatchet.
>>41919105We got casino owners. One of which has a literal solid gold toilet and complimentary washroom. montana has tribal land thats now run by the tribes. uninspected by the government and its a nuclear missile bunker. Who knows what we'll have when the race war starts.
>>41916036You have to start somewhere.It's a step up from "young offspring didn't do as adult told, dead now" at least.
Shit, ANOTHER productive American native thread? This is awesome!>>41914379Depends on the tribe, but certain strains of tobacco cause you to hallucinate. These same strains also cause you to vomit uncontrollably and taste like ass. Various tribes of the Powhatan nation used it for spiritual and physical cleansing. >>41915329>Damn straight. If anything, the Internet allows us to count coup in a new way. Flamewars."My tribal name is 'Baits-for-lulz'" >>41916449So why do historic records show that natives quickly found European swords more desirable? Checkmate, you paleoboo.>>41916534>>41917101I love these pics.
>>41919592Theres a german story of a mom telling the kid to stop sucking his thumbs. The kid refused so the mom cut his thumbs off. The end.
>>41919660I was the one to give the latter it's name. Haven't seen it pop up in the filename threads for a while, but hey, it's always cool to see other people adopting your filename for a pic.
>>41916449>the sun rolling it's eyes at a bunch of furfags
>>41919718Pretty sure stories like that are universal.
>>41919901"Worship us damnit!""Aww geez. Just fuck off tim. No one gives a shit about you!" "Fuck you son! I'm gonna go kill a shit ton of people and make a sacrifice in your name! You'll have to pay attention to me then!"-1 eclipse later-"BAD humans. BAD."
>>41910800They have interesting lore, but don't they have not even bronze metal working pre-Colombian?
>>41921210There was a tribe that lived around the great lakes that used big copper heads as part of their currency. As part of certain gatherings, they'd shatter these copper heads to show off their wealth, even if it meant their family starved that winter.
>>41921260Interesting. I guess having no metal diminishes my interest, may be lack of knowledge though.I just remember reading recently that the natives were upset at the Norse for not selling them iron weapons, which seemed pretty magical I imagine, as it seemed the Norse realized that if the natives had iron weapons they would be a much greater threat.That and interactions with the founders of my state are about all I know about the Natives.
>>41912079>The tobtob kin are the light gods, and the wakab sica are the dark gods. Now understand, it's not a Christian "good vs evil" thing or angels vs demons. The tobtob kin just behave in a more comprehensible manner. They can be just as cruel as the wakab sica. And the Wakab Sica can be nicer than the light gods.This sounds kind of like the European Seelie and Unseelie. It's always cool when two vastly different places have things like this that are so similar.
>>41921423I don't recall much more about the metallurgy of the First Nations, save that iron pots with copper bottoms were the most desired trade item in the fur trade.
>>41912594>Iktomi the spider was once Ksa the god of wisdom. He lost a duel against Gnaskipeya and became a Heyoka. He can speak any and all languages, and taught humans to talk. He's always up to shenanigans and wacky hijinks. And he also loves mayhem. He frightens animals to make them run, turns invisible, and shapeshifts all to mess with people. One time he allegedly convinced our tribe to stop farming and become nomads because he's an asshole. And a MASSIVE perverted freak. If you have two X chromosomes, run. If you're old enough to not need diapers, he will try everything possible to molest or fuck you. Hell, guys aren't safe either if there's no girls around.Fucking tricksters man.
>>41921536Tricksters: Not Even Once.
>>41921210That depends upon the culture you're looking at. Remember, the Americas are huge, and various cultures existed in different stages and paths of development all across the two continents. The nomadic cultures, of course, rarely had metals, while the agricultural ones did make some use of metal. Some groups in South America actually had full-on metallurgy, even purposefully making alloys, while North America had very little use of metals (though they did some really neat things even without it--there are some really advanced stone and wood weapons, like macuahuitls and ball clubs).
>>41921661I think trickster gods, overall, are just the ultimate escapegoats. You dun fucked up something but don't want to take the blame? "It was a trickster god all along! And he shape shifted to..look like me!"
>>41914074>Wakan Tanka is the Great Mystery. A lot of non-sioux think it means God. Nope. Wakan Tanka is the supreme power of the universe.So would it be like the Hindu Brahman?
>>41921478And before anyone asks why: copper is a better conductor of heat than iron. An iron pot with a copper bottom will conduct heat very efficiently through the bottom but will still have some insulating ability on the side walls and lid, which will keep the heat inside right where you want it.
Can we get a art dupe going in the thread/
>>41922284Please do!I don't have much, but I'll help out however I can.
>>41921912Anon, it wasn't my typo, it was the trickster god that dun it :^)
>>41921423actually, a lot of tribes had a lot of metal. they used it for art, jewelry, and arrowheads. farther north they used more metal for weapons and less for art. so no, the natives in the americas were not lacking for metal.
For a quick and dirty look at North American Native cultures in an RPG, I'd take a look at Totems of the Dead.It's a bit more Conan than anything else, but it is still rather good.On the fiction side, I've heard positive things about Someplace to be Flying, but I don't know for certain.
>>41922637I assume you lazy niggers are going to be helping with the art dump, since I'm starting to run low on Native-style art.
>>41922939Except the vast bulk of tribes never got past what we would consider early copper age. Outside of some very specific cultures, most north American natives had no metallurgy at all. When you start seeing copper arrowheads and beads, its mostly fabricated out of copper sheet and cookware traded to them by the Europeans.Remember, the Tlingit were for the longest time assumed to be freaking monsters by their neighbors because of their metal weapons and wood armour, coupled with lightning raids.
>>41921210Depends on the tribe and region - the inuits up north would use meteroric iron, around the great lakes however there was quarrying of the remarkably pure surface deposits that were then cold forged into various uses.What you don't have, north east of the rio grande anyway, is smelting, which is the process of basically heating up and melting nuggets of metal together to make larger objects and making alloys (and the reason for this is largely because the great lakes copper deposits were so pure that the early steps to developing smelting produce slightly shittier and brittle metals that can't be as easily worked as the unheated copper). Instead metal working involved breaking off a chunk of copper from a seam in the ground or using a nugget found in the lake and river beds and hitting the raw copper with a stone to flatten it out and then bend it into the desired shape, all without heating it.Pic related are 5000 year old copper tools from wisconsin, middle thing is a knife, the thing labelled a "spud" is in fact a spade head.
>>41924058Oh, quite informative. Thank you!
>>41924058>the inuits up north would use meteroric ironYup. Have a meteoric iron harpoon mounted in a narwhal tusk.
>>41923792yeah except no, copper and iron tool are found all over the western coast, and all over the south. including iron knives. the tlingit got real into iron work, sure, but pretty much everyone had some amount of metal.
>>41924577Source me a west coast iron knife before the Spanish or English made landfall. Just one.
>>41910800Need to fight with Bolas
>>41924644That is not Tlingit make**
>>41924675Bring it on. My Ioun Stone hungers.
>>41916534American Civil War reenactor here, rebel engineer, to be specific.Most tribes don't care, IIRC. There was actually a pow wow at one of the events we were doing and the Natives invited all of us over. I went but didn't dance (the shoes we wear are absolute Hell on your feet, especially after you've been marching for miles at a time.)
>>41916449>MFW natives actually preferred European swords>MFW being this New World
>>41910800The Inuits are racially Asian Mongoloids.And some of the northern native Americans are also descended from Asian Mongoloids, there's a native American language that sounds almost exactly like Japanese.
>>41924334Friggin Metal. Adding this to setting.
>>41925314People seem to forget the landbridge migration.
>>41925329Don't forget obsidian. We made scary, scary shit from obsidian. Same general weight as a copper knife with possibly the same tensile strength depending on the material and about 10 times sharper than modern steel blades. They're even now looking into laser cut obsidian scalpals for cleaner surgery cuts.
Metal autists, please go.
>>41925417Flint is also a great contender but is bulkier and heavier to achieve the same principles which was why we made arrow heads, axes, and warhammers out of it.
>>41925186Steel swords in general, as time went on. The Spanish actually hired Japanese mercs in the 19thC...
>>41925417>>41925555Unf.>>41925477Awesome article, AND it sites sources. Thanks anon.
>>41910800Iwas looking up some fokelore of some tribes from what is now the east coast of the US. It as some pretty interesting stuff, I read a few stories about shapeshifters, like people who could turn into animals and stuff that could make pretty interesting games. Plus they're some pretty animals that used to live here so those can be incorporated too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_mythologyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_animals_extinct_in_the_Holocenehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folklore_of_the_United_States
>>41925659A rock and stick bexame something that caved in steel helmets.
>>41925716A piece of wood became a weapon of war.
>>41925716And a Spaniard with a cold caved entire civilizations. Your point?
>>41925733That buffalo you ate yesterday? Its jawbones are you new short arms.
>>41925764I'm saying scarily effective war weapons were made using literally sticks and stones. and they break bones.
>>41925781Or, you could make it useful instead.
>>41925830Even better. Add a stick to anything and it becomes deadlier. Even other sticks.
>>41925808Yes, but a man with a stone club and no armour, has little chance against armoured swords/pikes backed by muskets. And syphilis. Its just the blunt truth.
a 19thcenturey party with cowboys, indians, pirates, samurais, ninjas and mad german scientists is not too far fetched historically
>>41925830Those plain nonstick jawbone clubs weigh around the same as a hammer in youe garage. Same general length too.
>>41915086There were a couple of differences. I'd say the Inca were the more successful of the two: larger at its height than the Aztecs, and lasted longer overall.If you're looking for simplified themes for an RPG, the Inca are builders and assimilators. They built enormous road networks and typically subjugated neighboring societies, either diplomatically or (more rarely) by force. Conquered peoples were considered full subjects, with all of the duties (e.g., tributes of labor) and protections that entails.The Aztecs were vaguely Roman in that they strongly identified with a predecessor culture (in this case, the Toltecs). Their brand of imperialism was typically through intimidation and ritual tribute (e.g., garland wars) than open conquest. Another Roman parallel is that they fell largely from within: their alliances were tenuous at best, and the Spanish exploited old hatreds and established political rivalries (e.g., with the Tlaxcala and Xochimilco) to help take them down.Again, these are *extreme* simplifications for worldbuilding purposes. I strongly encourage your own research.
>>41925873I'm not saying thats not the case just that given what we had we made some badass stuff. A guy with a kentucky longrifle will lose to a guy with a springfield doesn't mean that musket wasn't a crazy feat of engineering. I'm also just giving OP weapon ideas for northern natives since we got an aztec guy on deck already.
>>41910800dammit OP you tricked me that brown elf was so cool until I realised his walking staff was some horrible giant axe
>>41925871Thats two sticks AND some string! Thats cheating! Fucking munchkin...>>41925900I really doubt that, as I have an auroch jawbown (pretty comparable in size to a bison) and 14 hammers of various sizes for my forge.
>>41916020Can you gib some resources pls?
>>41925940"Rock on a stick" is not impressive. Erectus had rock on a stick. Precussion flaked chert axe, mounted with resin glue and sinew? Thats cool. Get with the times.
>>41925945Bison jawbones and bones in general are extremely dense. Almost entirely solid infact. .50 cal rounds bounce of its skull and you can routinely dip them in molten silver and the bone will be fine. bone knives dug up now after a few thousand years exposed to the elements only dulled their edges.
>>41922610i like this, this is my new druid. its mine now, you cant have it back
>>41925983Do you mean cite my sources? I was a candidate for it before i was sent off rez through adoption and theres been talk of me studying with my uncle now that i can live on my own again.
>>41925781That's one implication I didn't consider. Every animal or monster you hunt can be fully equipped as gear.
>>41925555Is that a double axe with an extra pointy-stabby bit at the end of the handle? Looks cool, but I'd be afraid of someone just sort of pushing on the head end to stab me with my own weapon when using it.
>>41915486Azteccaboo detected.Aztec warfare was heavily stylized and ritualized. They had so many warriors because virtually all males who weren't priests or aristocracy were either soldiers, slaves, or (often) both. Success as a warrior guaranteed prestige, and was one way for a slave to earn freedom.In warfare, the Aztecs held their inexperienced warriors back until the battle was decided: veterans would get the privilege of first blood and first opportunity for hostage-taking. Greenhorn warriors would be let loose only after the enemy was in full rout, generally in hopes of capturing stragglers or injured individuals.Also, the Tlaxcala fucking hated the Aztecs/Mexica and sided with the Spanish at the first opportunity. Do some homework.
>>41926051We made bone shirts over wood plates as armor occasionally.
>>41926078Wouldn't happen the way you hold and fight with a one handed axe.
>>41925764Nigga you KNOW disease did like 70% of the work there.
>>41925944I know right? Fucking got me too, thanks for the fixed image.
>>41915864Tenochtitlan was inhabited by 8 million people when Cortez arrived. The entire population of America and Canada in a single city.
The basic culture sspheres of the Americas were as follows >northeast woodlands >southeast woodlands >taiga/sub arctic >arctic >pacific northwest >great plains >great basin >california>plateau>southwestern >mesoamerica >the Caribbean >andes >amazon >southern cone of South America
Shaman King is an anime from the early 2000's that is just rolling in fantastic native american inspired designs and iconography. Really worth looking into.
>>41926029No I mean can you point me to helpful resources for this? I'm a big Western fan but I lack resources to help me play or GM from a native perspective so it always ends up being even more 2D than usual. I've googled some but I'd be interested to know if you have any personal suggestions.
>>41926029I think he was asking for resources for him to study.
>>41925996Yes, but a I have a full grown Auroch jawbone. It weighs nothing close to my two pound plannishing hammer. Get me?Im well aware of bone and stone tools and their uses, anon. Pic related.>>41926122The moral of the story is COVER YOUR FUCKING MOUTH AND USE A TISSUE.
>>41915086If you want idyllic south-american utopia, you use Inca.If you want powerful, decadent and proud empire, you use Aztecs.The Inca's empire was basically "these dudes built us a road into town and we don't actually mind paying them to use it. The Aztec empire was actually about foreign subjugation for the sake of Tenochtitlan.
>>41919105> doesn't realize that war was like that for almost all of history.Top kek. Next thing you're going to tell me that renaissance plate armor made a war unwinnable since the people who used them killed people who'd work their entire lives and barely afford a fraction of it.
>>41925417They're also brittle as shit. Their's a reason why their weapons had multiple blades, it was so that if one broke you could use another.
Everyone is so worked up they're forgetting the Haida and coast Salish people in the North east, who had things like armour and copperworking.An excerpt.>The Haida were feared along the coast because of their practice of making lightning raids against which their enemies had little defence. Their great skills of seamanship, their superior craft and their relative protection from retaliation in their island fortress added to the aggressive posture of the Haida towards neighbouring tribes. Diamond Jenness, an early anthropologist at the Canadian Museum of Civilization, caught their essence in his description of the Haida as the "Indian Vikings of the North West Coast":
>>41926565Crap. I meant North West, not north east
>>41926565We didn't. I mentioned the Tlingit. The Haida and Tlingit are sister tribes.
>>41926375The fuck do you have an adze like that for? Even if those are just for show the fact that you readily have this stuff on hand just makes me respect and hate you more, you glorious faggot.
Amazonian natives were notable for their extensive use of poisoned weapons.Despite what was previously believed, it turns out that the Amazon was once extensively farmed and had things like roads, bridges, and social stratification by wealth. The decline of the natives resulted in the jungle reswallowing everything. It wasn't always the Virgin wilderness we imagined.A similar thing occurred with the decline of the Mississippi culture further north. In fact the lumber industry was so extensive it even caused the great plains to expand, and helped cause the mini ice age in Europe.Understand that much of the Americas was basically Mad Max by the time europeans started really invading. Organized settlements gave way to smaller collections of hunters and farmers.
>>41926830Can you recommend any books on this subject?
>>41926311Oh. Can't actually think if any decent singular place. Books are sold for lore but i'm not sure about actual tribal life books. I guess you could watch some documentaries that exist on it but they might now cover it in a meaningful way.
>>419274591491 is the greatest summary of pre-Columbian history I've ever read
>>41926830>Understand that much of the Americas was basically Mad Max by the time europeans started really invading. Organized settlements gave way to smaller collections of hunters and farmers.And the whole continent was like this, the Mayans had a mysterious cataclysmic event that pretty much wiped their shit out and the Aztec empire was the post-apocalyptic dystopia of a nomad tribe that had been wandering for decades in search of their promised land.Kinda makes you wonder what the actual fuck happened through America for the continent to hard-reset like that.
>>41925873Syphilis probably came from Caribbean to Europe, not the other way around. Smallpox and common cold on the other hand...
>>41927969Either a serious but relatively short climate change or some sort of disease since it happened so fast and completely.
>>41927994Really? Because I thought they had evidence of Syphilis in some of the remains found at Pompeii...
>>41928232>PompeiiParty like its the end of the world.
>>41927789Adding that to the list.
Gah, how did I miss this thread? I was dumping stuff about the Aztec and a little about the Pacific Northwest and Great Plains cultures in a thread a few days ago. It's awesome to see we have actual Native Americans here to give some first-hand stuff, though. All I have is reading and shit, I'm not even American, let alone native.
>>41929730Problem is the only real way to learn things is be immersive. There's entire programs designed to help others experience our culture. Though some take odd stances on it.
I always saw the barbarians of Prax in runequest as being like plains Indians. All the stories of the spirit realm would suit RQ better than most systems.
Did any cultures in the Americas raise animals for their milk? I know llama and alpacas were raised for meat and wool and as pack animals, but from what I've read they didn't milk them. Did any other cultures have animals they raised like thing but also for milk?
In my setting orc tribes are organised like the old native nations such as the algonqin an the mohawk
>>41930474That carries with it some unfortunate implications.
>>41930473North america natives didn't. Fun fact: we're all lactose intolerant to an extreme degree and if you aren't lactose intolerant you know you're mixed with white blood. Same goes for africans.
>>41930595> extremely lactose intolerant> prone to alcohol poisoning> weak immune system> syphilisIt's like nature doesn't want you to survive
>>41930678Hey now, it's not like they're deathly allergic to peanuts.
>>41930492Actually similarities are limited to social organisation and relations with humans.Much native tribes during the war of indipendence some orcs are hostile towards humans, others are allied with them against other more hostile orcs
>>41930678We just didn't evolve the proteins to properly deal with alcohol. Neither did asians. Google alcoholic flush. The actual alcohol doesn't kill the liver and kidneys the pseudo allergic reaction does. Our immune systems are actually highly adaptable after the mortality rate plateau's. Most of my tribe is immune to poison oak and poison ivy. hites unless they're mutant aren't. its like nature doesn't want you to use the best toilet paper in the world. ivy's the best. Sumac is to small unless you floss with a branch. Oak is too slick for it.
>>41930706You know. Now that you mention it i don't think i've ever seen a native actually deathly allergic to anything. Excepting those damned japanese hornets at all the pow-wows but then again hornets are pricks.
>>41930706I see what you did there anon>>41930733My butt is rigtheously mad now
>>41930760As it well should be.
>>41926203>Tenochtitlan was inhabited by 8 million people when Cortez arrivedWait. Let me get this right. Tenochtitlan is a city, right? and in the 1500's, it had 8 million people in it? They had the agriculture and logistics to be able to support that number of people in a city at that time?
>>41930787What is this, toilet paper for ants?
>>41931033When the Spanish arrived, only Paris, Venice and Constantinople had bigger populations. So yes, the Aztec were actually that advanced.
>>41931033He's off by a lot. Its around 200-300k but still thats incredible for a single city. He might have mean the entire civilizations population.
>>41931096Yeah, but they didn't have 8 millions , more in the range of 250.000. Fucking impressive and in the mid of a lake,but people fucking bumping the native population with millions is weird.
>>41931096It's Istanbul, not Constantinople.
>>41931104Yeah, I was just reading up on it. My city has a population of 400k, and if you look at the surface area for local production in relation to imported goods and the floor space of houses and businesses to main this, even when downsized to "spartan"... 200-300k would suggest a pretty damn modern city. Or fucking dire living conditions.>>41931096I don't doubt that the Aztecs were as advanced and European cultures, but I couldn't see how any city could have such a huge population for that time. The infrastructure and logistics were simply not there.
>>41918533>And a few other tribes delighted in causing maximum suffering to their enemies and prisoners.These were Crows.
>>41931229Insanely modern. Agriculture across the continent along with roads we're just now mapping using x-ray and IR imaging from satellites same for the water ways.
>>41923286Get out of here you creep.
>>41931416Fucking hell... if all these various empires that have fallen thanks to dicks hadn't, imagine where we'd be.
>>41931417Just ignore it.
Oh, hey. This is vaguely related:I'm interested in fantasy Americana and made a thread for it >>41931911Although I was thinking of something more like vaguely Germanic settlers in a colonial setting.
>>41932009>pilgrims and injuns fight demonsThey're called the Crows. Google them and try adding warcrimes and geneva convention at the end.
>>41932130You know, I think I'll do that, because now I'm curious as what they did to have become so detested.
>>41923223Wendigo have always creeped me the fuck out. And I don't even live on that continent.
>>41924644(Kirk 1997, 2007) apparently; he's talking about the iron tools (largely knives) found at the Ozette Indian Village site - though there's some indications (I think they found some of that chinese "cash" knife coinage in a dig in 2007-8) that they got the iron from shipwrecked chinese ships.>>41926830eh, the problem is that there was a very early stage of european exploration of north and south america that predates the full strength colonisation, and those early explorers let fucking pigs loose, and pigs have a very human like immune system - so every disease they carried with them was able to jump to the native population and fuck them up.So what was basically>>41931104Actually he's running off of a fairly new paper that did the most recent survey of the "anthropogenic soils" in the flood plains areas of the amazon bazin and what they found is enough super fertile soil coinciding with higher than usual crop diversity and earth works that they estimate that the amazon basin could have easily supported 100 million people across the entire basin, so between 1-8 million people in Tenochtitlan in the 1500s isn't unlikely - this is a major city in the most populated area of the entire world*... until the spanish and portugese wipe them out with diseases and war.* bear in mind that Tenochtitlan had the mountain terraces AND the fucking hydroponic lake farming stuff to supplement crops coming in - I'm half expecting them to find that a few of the andes mountains are actually just a massive pile of potato peelings with some volcanic ash on them.
>>41931212Fuck off Turk, Constantinople belongs to the Greeks!
>>41932130Do you mean Crow Indians? I don't think they're really in the game (although I've barely read the setting chapter). The game doesn't really go further than the Colonies, and the Crow are far too inland.Plus other than the Aztecs using blood magic to fight back against Cortes, a lot of the Natives seem like they're good guys. "Brave" and "Shaman" are two of the character backgrounds, and you can learn "Animism".
>>41912079>There's a sad Iroquois legend about a lonely man who carved a girl out of wood, and the forest spirits pitied him so they made her real.>Then he broke a taboo and she turned back into wood.Like Pygmalion and Galatea. Seems lonely men making waifus is universal
No talk about the qallupilluit? Blue-skinned trolls/humanoids who lurk beneath cracking ice to snatch away children? That's a quest hook and a half waiting to happen.
>>41933215I remember those buggers from that one Robert Munsch story about them.
>>41933244A promise is a promise, Anon.
>>41916036WaitThe friend borrowed the rabbit from the girl, then the boys killed it, so now the friend is mad at the girl? What?
>>41916584>I mean, I'm sure if you asked me to explain Vajrayana Buddhism or Hinduism you'd walk away imagining something out of a video game.Wait you're telling me Asura's Wrath ISN'T an accurate representation of Hinduism?
>>41918082Only people I know who do that are white girls and black people who want to appear as non-black as they can get away with
>>41916332While I'm all for pointing out historical examples of nonbinary gender identities, holy fucking shitfuck I fucking hate when white people try to say they're Two Spirit because "hurr, the indians had it".>>41918082>>41933573I'm apparently Powhatan or something enough that I could get scholarships for it, despite being white as hell. I've utterly refused to be all Redface and I hate when people do that. Yeah, white guy, of course you've got Iroquois blood, no shit, they had to put up sentries to keep colonists from running off and fucking the native girls and eating actual food instead of starving to death.Anyone who's family's been in America since the 1600s is going to have Injun blood. I'm related to Pocahantas' sister (as far as I know, not to Thomas Rolfe, son of Pocahantas, Rebecca Rolfe). I'm also probably English, Irish, and whatever else because families do a lot of fucking over 370-something years.
This is how I necromancer bardAlso I remember in another Native Thread a while back that someone shared a comic where some Sioux kept traveling through time to kidnap a chieftain's daughter, and that it existed in a world where the Ghost Dance succeeded because Sitting Bull traveled back from the future to ensure its success
>>41934540He looks like he's about to chokeslam a wily cactus spirit
>>41934653That's Wovoka. Legend has it he was able to manipulate the weather and conjure ice from his hands.He was the guy who, after having a prophetic vision, created the Ghost Dance: a 5-day long dancing ceremony that would've removed all trace of the whiteman from North America.The Ceremony was interrupted when Wounded Knee happened. Interestingly enough, Wovoka was a pacifist who advocated against continued bloodshed between the natives and whites.
>>41926762On the other hand, he doesn't know what month it is
>>41910800I've been looking for something like this. Bump
>>41932544Spaniards didn't wipe them out, case in point modern Mexicans are mostly mixed with whites and only like a twenty are castizos and whites. Also the most big I seen tenoctitlan to be was 700.000 people living there be one guy, the other more on the levels of 175.000 to 250.000, on par with some of the largest urbes of the world.
>>41917891The others were mostly taken. They don't really fit for elves, dwarves, orks, goblins, or gnomes.Lizards are native in the jungle areas of south america, and the steppes of north america.Even if those lizards are very very different.
>>41934778Yeah, too much firewater. Sorry.
>>41933485The girl was mad at her friend who borrowed the bunny
Oh, and I almost forgot one thing. Evil spirits ABSOLUTELY HATE music. Especially when it's played loudly and skillfully.It drives them nuts and can vanquish most of them.It's very handy to remember if the spirit you're fighting doesn't take a form which can be harmed by weapons.
Name a scarier Native American spirit than Raven Mockers. Hard mode: no wendigos.
>>41938559Auntie Stonefinger is close, but I'll admit Raven Mockers are scarier.That is unless you're a Shaman. Then you make them your bitch
>>41938677To be far, shamans make just about EVERYTHING their bitch. There are stories of them even fucking up wendigos.
>>41938700>grandfather was a Shaman>I inherited a lot of his artifacts>I might not worship the old ways, but I do have clerical power in my chosen religion>I always carry a medicine pouch under my shirt when I leave the houseFeels good man. If any Wendigo or other nasty spirit tries to bother people, I'll be ready.
Actually have an entire campaign that's set in the the exploration and colonization of the wild lands of the Natives. Can infodump some shit about them from the barebones wiki I'm ever-building. Basically, elves and goblins and orcs are all the same race of supercharged Fey people.While the two major groups of natives can be easily divided into Elves and Goblinoids, this is merely a surface distinction. At their crux, the two groups are simply the different manifestations of a single race, drawing from a common ancestor simply referred to as the Fey. Generations ago, the actions of powerful chiefs led to the divergence of the Fey race into a two distinct branches: goblinoids and elves. Even among these groups there are now further distinctions, as the elves separate into the People of the Horse and Owl and goblinoids into the People of the Boar and Rat.Regardless, all natives share a few similarities, regardless of any distinction:>Pointed ears>Ageless bodies - Upon reaching maturity, the body simply ceases to age. A hard life in a rugged landscape will often show in the form of creases and tanned skin, though their eyes are always sharp and bright.>Mortal minds - While the body of a native may be timeless, their minds are not. The strain and burden of lifetimes of memories, regrets, and losses will often cause a mental break as an elf becomes truly advanced in the years. When it happens varies from chief to chief, but it is common to occur after 400 to 500 years.>The lure of a Fable - When a chief does crack, his connection to the spirits and the primal magic that suffuses the West opens wide and he forms a powerful bond with an idea or story. Called a Fable, it becomes the focus of his life and quickly begins to warp the surrounding landscape, his body, and his tribe into a setting and actors capable of ensuring the story continue indefinitely.
>>41938700Wendigos tend to be exaggerated nowadays as unstoppable killing machines. Anyone with strong enough medicine can handle them.
>>41932547I was quoting a song you bankrupt greaseball.
>>41938803>ElvesWild and free, elves guard their homelands using deadly arrows, launched either from horseback or hidden in the boughs of trees. They live in close harmony with the lands they call home, and the primary distinction lies in where it is they call home.Elves are slender, athletic folk about as tall as humans. They have the same range of complexions as humans, tending more toward tan or reddish hues. A typical elf's hair is black, and their eyes are vibrant blue, violet, or green.Elves are a people of deeply felt but short-lived passions. They are easily moved to delighted laughter, blinding wrath, or mournful tears. They are inclined to impulsive behavior, and settlers sometimes see elves as flighty or impetuous, but elves do not shirk responsibility or forget commitments. Thanks in part to their long life span, elves sometimes have difficulty taking certain matters as seriously as other races do, but when genuine threats arise, elves are fierce and reliable allies.Elves are loyal and merry friends. They love simple pleasures — dancing, singing, footraces, and contests of balance and skill — and rarely see a reason to tie themselves down to dull or disagreeable tasks. Despite how unpleasant war can be, a threat to their homes, families, or friends can make elves grimly serious and prompt them to take up arms.
>>41938839The People of the Owl make their homes in the woodlands of the West, from the verdant forests on the rolling hills of Bainiter to the stands of pines along the Great Stony Mountains. Settling down to a forest region, they construct homes that seem to be made from the living branches of trees, woven into the longhouses, arbors, and catwalks. Owls build in such harmony with the forest travelers often fail to notice they have entered an elven community until it is too late. Less war-like than their cousins, Owls are known to produce powerful sages and story-tellers.The People of the Lizard are mostly found in Sonaugh, though they roam wherever the herds they follow lead them. Lizard-riding nomads, they rarely see fit to their themselves down to any single location, and their free-spirited nature often leads to conflicts with the CTA. Living in hide-bound tepees that move when they do, they travel light and free across the plains and badlands.The People of the Wolf are mostly found along the Great Stony Mountains, ranging from the snowy peak to the pine-covered hills and along shores of mountain lakes. Semi-nomadic, they move seasonally to different hunting and fishing camps. Hunters, fishers, and trappers, they live wigwams that are quickly built as tribes settle into a new hunting camp. Communities are close-knit and fiercely protective. Commonly content to ignore the settlers of Sonaugh, rough winters and other times of need often see Wolves eyeing the settlers as easy raiding targets.Rumors persist about the People of the Spider, though no elf has ever spoken to their existence. Rumored to live in a vast, sprawling empire beneath the ground, they are said to have milky, translucent skin and hair as white as milk. Unproven to even exist, they are widely considered to simply be a tall tale used to explain away the actions of the People of the Rat.
>>41938839>Orcs and GoblinsSavage and warlike, goblinoids are an aggressive race that live to raid, pillage, and fight others. Believing that strength and cunning are the most important attributes one can have, they eagerly test themselves against any around them and even themselves. The smaller goblins tend to stand about half as tall as human with a wiry build, while the larger orcs stand about a head higher than a human with a bulky build. They complexions range from a yellow and tan to brown and green, mostly depending on the landscape of their birth. Hair is usually similar colors, and all goblinoids have black eyes.The People of the Boar are a group that primarily live in the Bloodied Plains and sections of Sonaugh. Giving more attention to strength and ferocity, their allow their strongest member to lead which is often tested in savage duels between the reigning leader and any cocky upstart brave enough to risk their life for the chance to lead. Fierce raiders, they've quickly learned the wealth and joy to be had raiding Carskan trains and remain a constant threat to commerce and transit through the region. Their name comes from the sharp tusks that jut from their lower lips, ensuring that they are always armed. Villages tend to be an unorganized sprawl of huts, with ceremonial structures and the homes of chiefs and powerful braves being dug out of hills.The People of the Rat are in many ways the opposites to their cousins, the Boars. Focusing on cunning and wits, their raids are far less frequent and often much better planned. Good planning for a goblinoid isn't much to boast for, though, and they remain more of a nuisance than an actual threat. Living in and around canyons and gorges, they are at home in the darkness and underground from which they send out small raiding parties to sneakily steal what they might need to survive. Mostly made up of goblins, they are easily distinguished by the large incisors that lent them their name.
>>41918113My Great Grandma was one of the first people approached by the Cherokee for what was then medical bill coverage. Her parents were full blooded Cherokee, but in her proud old age she saw it as charity and told the guy to fuck off. Hear it's $12k a year you get now after you hit 18. That aside, I've always wanted to touch down on that side of my families heritage, since the rest of it is "Rural hicks/hillbillies from who knows where", more out of curiosity than claiming heritage at this point.
>>41938831Greek asshurt knows no end
>>41938882And of course, these are just the various People that settlers from the Old World have encountered in the West. Much further south, there's the People of the Coatl for instance, and to the far north, the People of the Bear. All of the People are ultimately the descendants of the original Fables, which is part of that separates and distinguishes them. The sharp sight and ability to vanish amidst pine boughs that the People of the Owl carry, compared to the sharp tusks, unyielding stamina, and thunderous charges of the People of the Boar.Had a fun time with the setting, and it's seen three editions of play at this point. Current party's going up against a Fabled Owl who was left to the winter by her son rather than completing the ritual suicide. She's brought a vicious blizzard down on the local region, usurping control of the local Wolf tribe and making headway on gaining control of the Owls as well.
>>41938803>>41938839>>41938858>>41938882>>41939070Not gonna lie, this sounds like a pretty badass setting. Link the wiki, I'mma bookmark and watch it.
>>41939250http://westernwastes.wikidot.com/The front page is just the Character Hooks that were available to folks in this new campaign, followed by a Google Draw map of the local area and the broader region, followed by travel times. Then you've got the World which has four pages underneath it -- though I still have to actually put the info on the religions into the religion page fully, and History is just a brief timeline. Ten-Towns describes the area around Hope's Spring in an overview, which individual pages for the 10 major settlements. The Usual Suspects is mostly bare, though our half-elf bard has gussied her page up a bit. Homebrew has the various 5e adjustments, from Firearms to feat adjusts and additions, and stats for Peacemaker/Warforged, a new class, and new archetypes for others.And if you want, feel free to message me on Skype if you've got it. Can find me under berekdrazzle. Goddamnit, America is a beautiful landscape.
>>41939766What would happen if I tried to swim in that?
>>41939796Guess it depends on the bacteria that gives it the colors. And then the normal risks of swimming for extended periods in water that's 70 °C/ 160 °F. Also a great example of the fact that people are fuckwads. Tourists throwing shit into the pool has actually fucked up circulation and caused a loss in water temperature which is causing the orange and yellow bacteria to grow even closer towards the center while diminishing the deep blue almost entirely so that all that is left is a bit of faint blue and soft green.
>>41939889Archeabacteria arenso friggin metal man.Personally I prefer Halophiles over Thermophiles, though the kind that live near ocean vents are pretty sweet.
>>41936909Mexico's an odd thing because it went independent before the US, so ended up having to reconcile with the native population in mexico even as it was offering bounties for scalps of natives that would raid across the US-mexico border.
>>41939766Lookin over the wiki, this is quite a bit for barebones. Passin it around my RP group now. One note though, the homebrew page states that bows become firearms. Is that optional or mandatory?
Archived this thread on Suptg. http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.htmlAlso, bump.
>>41940401For crossbows, mandatory. Bows it's option, but just about everyone from the East uses firearms these days. The only people that would general take bows would be assassin-y types that can't shell out the money for a tricked-out rifle or Natives.
>>41926203>Tenochtitlan was inhabited by 8 million people when Cortez arrived.absolutely not, its completely impossible for those kind of numbers at the very most it was several hundred thousand
>>41939766Is it possible to be something like a Pinkterton Agent, or would that fall under Bounty Hunter?
>>41940603Definitely works. Pinkerton fits in perfectly as a Carskan group that sells out their services for a fee to magisters and even average schmucks that can pay the fee. Carska is basically a hyper-corrupt amalgamation of the parts of the Union that did shit like the Tuskeegee Experiment, Nazis, and Soviets. It's exceptionally clannish between rival Colleges that only come together for brief collaborations, like the Peacemakers while rogue elements within try to backstab or sabotage their efforts. See the College of Medicine's recent attempts to mass-produce an undead replacement for Peacemakers utilizing mass graves from the Unification Crisis now that the flesh has naturally been stripped. The College of Medicine is also somewhat butthurt because of the fact that their experiments with therianthropy was riddled with artificially-induced accidents when post-change experiments were 'somehow' released into the region surrounding the primary laboratory.And now off for dinner.
>>41938625Ehh. Don't they just suck blood and turn into turkeys?
>>41914963>I'd hate to see the fucking Crow and Blackfoot assholes mock us on Facebook.This tragically hilarious to me.
>>41938828The story I always heard was that the shaman gave his medicine to a warrior, to make him strong enough to fight the wendigo when it came. Then he and the warrior went out into the woods and built a huge bonfire. At night a blizzard blew in and the wendigo came with it, but the warrior was super-humanly strong now, and fought the wendigo barehanded, the two of them snapping trees like matchsticks as they battled back and forth.Finally, the wendigo got tossed onto the bonfire, and its heart of ice melted.
>>41930733I'm completely white and I'm immune to both as well.
>>41941233>>41930733Brothers!Be careful though. My mom, whom I get my native blood from, was the same way until she hit 40, now she breaks out horrendously.
>>41941407My mother is still immune in her mid fifties.
>>41940916Our tribes don't play nice with others.
>>41941233Did you not read the part about exceptions for mutants?
>>41941955Yay, I'm in a family of Mutants!
>>41942023We X-Men now.
>>41915064I think it's what britbongs call "haram" to talk about that stuff - taboo.
>>41940916Blackfoots basically got their dickheads on the moment they got guns and horses - to the extent that their current holy sites were stolen from tribes they wiped out.
The mound builder / cahokia culture is a good source for a more 'sedentary' city-like civilization in a fantasy north american indian setting. I'm from a British Columbia tribe and have done a successful fantasy North America rpg before. Northern NW tribes make perfect antagonists for their very real warlike predation on the southern NW tribes who frequently had to flee and hide during raids.
>>41944851I've done campaign where the players were all starting in fantasy Cahokia as inexperienced folk, soft and lacking many skills, and then venture out to the other regions. Each area had an adventure and main skill to gain, horsemanship or four-direction magic from fantasy-Plains, armor or shapeshifting magic in fantasy-NorthWest, etc.
This thread is as good as the African one we had a few days ago. You guys kick ass.
>>41945031Cahokia also has the cool serpent mound.
>>41944715obviously they weren't holy enough to protect properly or we wouldn't have taken them.
>>41945075This is /tg/.You don't need other boards anymore
>>41945123This thread may be a little dead, but I'm going to keep dropping other potential indian prg elements. Don't forget the Anasazi / Chaco Canyon as an idea. In the campaign I ran they the other major population center next to Cahokia, with NW and NE style longhouse settlements as smaller pop. centers.
>>41945220Kokopelli can be a strange critter that teaches music magic, and may or may not have a mind-control or sacrificial element.
>>41918533Voyager made up a tribe and it's met with nothing but complaints.
>>41945362He's also responsible for the rise in births 9 months after pow-wows.
Dzunukwa or Skookum is basically the NW Indian bigfoot, Wasco or Sisiutl are sea serpents, the giant thunderbird, salmon people and underwater beings that could sub for 'deep ones'
Also some NW tribes definitely worked with copper pre-columbian contact. While the shield in the pic is ceremonial and a demonstration of wealth, it can easily be expanded on in a story to be rare 'magical' shields or something.
>>41945663it's a petroglyph from a cliff face on the Columbia River. it's a river critter that has a habit of drowning people. This pic is a bigfoot admirin' dat bootie
>>41944801Raiding down the coast in hide and wood armor and helmets.
The ancient legend of the xenomorph
>>41945731Even Natives understand the importance of Da Booty.
>>41946050Lost me when they showed what anime artists think a nice ass looks like. There's almost nothing there. It's like I'm looking at men.
>>41946395Japan mang, they ain't ever seen a sister's booty.
>>41945731Somebody shoop a pair of sunglasses on that guy.
>>41945373I'm pretty sure "Chakotay" was some Mexican that made up some tribal backstory to have something to brag about when the Vulcans and Klingons got tired of bragging about their thousand generation long, deep culture. What sounds better, that your ancestors used to work in autoshop or that you're descended from a long line of magical jungle mystics with a true understanding of all?
>>41946468They ain't never seen ANY booty
What's that, you need a dragon? How about an Uktena? Gigantic horned snake with a giant fuckheug magic diamond on its face which it can use both to bewitch and lure its victims as well as shitting out lightning. Also, its breath is poison, and to see slumbering curses your family to die. And if you do manage to kill one, you can cut out the magic diamond and feed it the blood of small game every seven days and twice a year the blood of big game. If you have it, you have great success in love, hunting, and every other manner of business and the ability to see the future lives, able to tell if the sick will recover, warriors will die in the next battle, and if the boy will grow to a man.Of course, if you ever do fail to feed it, it turns into a blazing sun and drinks your blood. And if you keep it in the same location, it might eventually learn how to free itself and do so anyway.
Raven, Crooked Beak, and Crane-Like Bird Who Cracks Open Men's Skulls and Consumes the Brain
>>41940943> Super manly warrior> Roid'd up> Bare handed. Bare-chested.> Wendigo on fire.> Melts heart of ice.> *swoons*
>>41945525And bringing Zearth to humanity.
>>41946704This is the greatest thing I have ever read.