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The smooth glassy waves of the Pacific blur into a flat plane as you hurtle low towards the smoking dot on the horizon. You focus on the towering columns of smoke rising from the little pork-chop shaped dot of black ash and weather-scoured volcanic rock, searching for your target - *there.* The long, trim shape of a runway hewn into the unyielding rock. Puffs of black smoke begin to blossom around you as you begin to wave through the air at five-hundred plus knots, fifty feet off the deck. The sky in front of you seems to vanish in a hail of glowing beads of light; light AA hurling a storm of lead in your direction as heavier guns; 37 and 40mm spear heavenward on shafts of smoke contrails.

Visual contact is lost for a second as you pitch up violently, riding the rocket motor up to a a thousand feet in a few seconds – and then Iwo Jima appears below you, a nightmarish cloud of flak bursts and tracers reaching out for you – too slow, too slow as you plummet for the target at incredible velocity, the junction of a taxiway and the runway growing larger-

- and freezing a moment before impact.

You glance askance at Goto, who's wielding the remote at the secondary viewscreen. He presses a button and the recorded video rewinds swiftly. There's obsidian in his eyes, now you hadn't seen before; hard and sharp – and a sickly pallor to his face. But his mouth is set in a hard line, and his expression radiates intense focus.

He presses a button, and the video freezes, then begins stepping forward, frame-by-frame. Then it stops. “There. Lower-right corner.”

You peer. “A... humanoid? Shooting at the missile?”
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“No,” Hate says from the corner of the room. “Look to its left – that's muzzle flash. Probably an LMG...” he steps forward and points at an almost invisible line of stringy blobs. “I've seen LMG tracers on FLIR often enough to know. The one facing the camera is an infantryman de-assing the area – probably a peeling withdrawal.”

“There's people still alive on that rock?” you breathe.

“JSDF keeps a four-hundred man garrison there,” Goto replies. “They couldn't hold the base, but there's plenty of places to hide on that miserable rock.”

“How the hell are the Abyssals performing air ops if they-”

“Shit,” Hate cuts you off, “we had Army P-51s flying close air missions from Iwo's airfield before we finished taking that rock.” A beat. “Not that the Marines needed them, but they wanted to help, so, you know.”

“Settle,” Hornet's terse voice cuts in. “My SBD's just found the surface group.”

“Onscreen,” you say.

Goto and Hate both look at you.

“ON. SCREEN,” you enunciate clearly, and this time the fucking voice-recognition software processes it properly and increments the secondary display screen, piping you a feed from a Global Hawk flying out of Kaneda. The image jitters and jumps a bit – the Hawk is “close,” but at those magnification levels it's still like peering through a straw – but you get a pretty amazing view of the SBDs nonetheless after Hornet relays a few position/altitude corrections to the operators.

“Helldivers,” Shoukaku whispers.
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“Enemy bearing?” you ask.

“Zero-One-Four.”

The drone operator dutifully pans the camera over and for the first time you get a good look at the enemy surface action group; little dots sprawled across the ocean. The camera begins singling out ships and going to even higher magnification; giving you brief, shaky glimpses of their bow-on silhouettes.

“At least six cruisers,” you mutter. “Heavy or light, I can't tell.”

“Looks like... three destroyer divisions. Twelve or fifteen, unless I'm counting subchasers by accident,” Goto adds.

“Admiral, my bombers are reporting enemy fighter escort over the fleet!” Hornet says sharply. “Twin-engined, on an intercept course!”

[ ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)
[ ] Order the strike to focus on a few big boys, even if it takes them longer to find, form up and attack them.
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[x] Focus on the big boys
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>>41833819
[x] KONGOU DESS
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>>41833884
>[X] Order the strike to focus on a few big boys, even if it takes them longer to find, form up and attack them.

Let's rock!
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>>41833884
>[x] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)
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>>41833884
We arrive!

I am... uncertain of the best decision. Still in uncertainty...

[X] Order the strike to focus on a few big boys, even if it takes them longer to find, form up and attack them.

We should strike at the head, that the body may die.

Also, Goto has proven his mettle. He stands again.
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>>41833884
>[ ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)

YO! Planefag! I got a new pic for ya!
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>>41833884
>[x] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)
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>>41833884
>[ ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)

We'll need as many planes as we can once those flights start hitting us, and that surface group is pretty low on the threat scale.
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>>41833884
>[x ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)

The margin in narrow enough, we need them back ASAP.
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>>41833884
>[x ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)

If we take out the cruisers that surface fleet is as good as finished. Maybe not all fae will return, but they knew the risks when they enlisted.

...wait, how do fae work again?
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>>41833884
>[ ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)

Kill some quickly and get out.

Don't lose too many planes.
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>>41833884
>[ ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)
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>>41833981
Wait, shit. Obviously meant
[x] Order the strike to focus on a few big boys, even if it takes them longer to find, form up and attack them.

I'm too sleepy for admiralting today.
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>>41833981
The Unbound are still studying the phenomenon. It is... quite fascinating.
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>>41833884
>Fighters
>Twin engined

So... either P-38s or pic related
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>>41833884
>[ ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)
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What a great day
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>>41833884
>>[X] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)

Bomb and gtfo.
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>>41833884
>[ ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)
quick and fast
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>>41834024
God help us if it's the latter
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>>41833884
>[ ] Order the strike to focus on a few big boys, even if it takes them longer to find, form up and attack them.
Planefag, is there an ETA on the P-8s and the other human support aircraft.
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>>41834024

Best part is that squadrons of those actually did operate from Iwo Jima.

Throw in that some squadrons saw so little action that some ended the war without a single kill to the squadrons name and you have units ripe for Abyssalification since they did nothing n ww2.
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>>41834024
While the P-38s are more likely...

>>41834075
We should indeed fear the alternative.
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>>41833884
>[x] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)

The point of this strike was to get some recon and a few cheap hits before returning to CAP our task force, not to get stuck in. Once Iwo and the enemy carriers are out of commission, we can pick off the enemy SAG at our leisure.

Also, barring the Abyssals having a few more carriers we don’t know about, we can assume their CAP came from Iwo. That limits how many escorts the strike inbound from Iwo will have, which is good news. And I doubt these came off carriers, because twin-engine carrier - based fighters are too modern a development for the Abyssals.
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>>41834024
What makes you think their american based ships?
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>>41834024
So how far out are the modern support units (F-22s, P-8s and Hornets)?
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>>41834095
maybe there f7f tiger cats from the ACTF
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So after the last thread I decide I need to learn me some combat, so I started reading through Pacific AARs. What I discovered astonished me:

>Serial 0679, Attack on Allied Personnel and Property by a Plane of American Type and Markings.

>This report covers an attack by an observation plane from the USS Northampton on a British auxiliary cruiser operating out of Apia, Samoa Island on January 23, 1942. This attack was made because the British vessel did not answer the plane's recognition signal. The pilot ordered the ship abandoned and then droppe two bombs, both near misses, and then straffed the vessel with machine gun fire. Following the attack the British crew returned to the ship and managed to get back safely to Apia.

>After an investigation the pilot of the observation plane was found to have been unjustified in attacking this vessel.

Indisputable proof that Northampton is best cruiser.
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>>41833884
>[ ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)
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>>41833884
>[X] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)
Do some damage and get the hell out of there.
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>>41833884
>>[x] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)
SOMEONE'S GONNA DIE
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>>41834194
Do specify? Many Bound personas die every minute.
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>>41833884
>[ ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)
Wiping smaller escort vessels will help us during the next wave
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>>41834167
How the hell does that make the Northhampton best cruiser?
If anything that looks pretty worst.
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>>41833968

YES. This pleases me greatly, most of all the absolutely perfect forced-blank look on Settle's face.
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>>41834280
Idunno, sounds pretty American to me.
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>>41833959
>We should strike at the head, that the body may die

[Spoiler]Sure worked against the Yuudachi's task force.[/spoiler]

Regardless, it is still better than splitting up and shooting at whatever catches your fancy.

>>41833884
>[ ] Order the strike to focus on a few big boys, even if it takes them longer to find, form up and attack them.

>writing from mobile
>fucking 5-part captcha with an impossible copy-paste as one section, two minute limit to solve with lag
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>>41834095
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_YFM-1_Airacuda

Why not this?

Or Japanese or British Heavy Fighters?
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>>41834280
Because FUCK the British. We should have never given them Lend-Lease.
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>>41833884
>[ ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)
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>>41833884
[ ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)

Remember our job here, we want all available cap aircraft and right now these cruisers are smalltime
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>>41834050
CHROME DID NOTHING WRONG
H+ IS MURDER
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>>41833884
>[X] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)
Tactical withdrawal
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[ ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)

Thin them out.
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http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6572172
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>>41834161
>>41834315
In all previous cases, we seem to have faced American originated Abyssals. While others aircraft are indeed possible, we go to the familiar rather than the unprecedented.

And the SWQ joke was obvious.

>>41834314
I have been a peaceful trader for over 4 millennia. I may be slightly out of practice at the art of war.
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>>41833884
>Pick LARGE targets and gtfo
Odds are their formation is centered on the cruisers- if we can keep them manuevering from a stream of smaller attacks that buys us TIME
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>>41834335
Nazi sympathizer pls go
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VOTES CALLED WRITING ETC.
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>>41833884
>[ ] Order the strike to focus on a few big boys, even if it takes them longer to find, form up and attack them.
Bomb the Carriers!

That's how we won Midway and how the Japs lost!

Same strategy, different results. How odd.
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>>41834451
>writing

I don't believe you.
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>>41834454
not carriers were bombing the surface group
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>>41834454
There's no carriers here, this is the surface combat group.
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>>41834454
This is the Abyssal surface group.

Taking out those carriers should be a top priority for us though, because while they're in the game it's five effective flight decks against our three.
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>>41834451
On a scale of 1 to 10, how drunk are you tonight Fap Angel?
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>>41834454
These are cruisers anon
>>41834389
Seriously, Samar was a perfect example of this. The japs spent more time driving in evasive circles than chasing their targets. Hell the Yamato literally ran directly away for like 8 minutes because of a lucky torpedo beacket
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>>41834485
sub witches when you faggot
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>>41834493
>not carriers
>>41834499
>There's no carriers
>>41834509
>Abyssal surface group
>>41834527
>These are cruisers anon

Aviation cruisers?

Damn, those sneaky Abyssals and their pre-dreadnaught tech base got the best of me.
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>>41833884
>[X ] Order the strike to focus on a few big boys, even if it takes them longer to find, form up and attack them.
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Did our tomahawks bombard the surviving JSDF soldiers?
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>>41834563
FUCKIN' NEVER

SWQ DED
SUWQ DECANONIZED

Unless, you know, I get bored or something.
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>>41834579
The fuck is wrong with you?
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>>41834579
Oh you're confused about where the enemy fighters are coming from
...that is a very good question. Probably Iwo Jima?
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>>41834579
anon the fighters are from the airbase or carriers
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>>41834600
Then what are you doing now?
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>>41834603

Twin Engines are land based. Probably, yes.
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>>41834609
Fishing for attention.
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>>41834389
Sure, but the surface group is still... two hours away I think? Meaning that they're out of the fight for now.

I think the Abyssals were trying to time it so the surface group, carrier group, and Iwo Jima could all hit us at the same time, but Goto's call fucked that up and forced them to move ahead of schedule. This could be important, suggesting a time limit to their 'materialization' ability.
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>>41834598
No, they were pulling out of the area.
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Also be sure to identify the nationality of the abyssals. If those DDs are murican, our planes are as good as dead.
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>>41834615
there are twin engine naval fighters like the F7F Bearcat
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>>41834609
Shitposting.
Making people chimp out.

And slowly writing a lovey dovey slice of life fic with maybe lewds. I dunno yet.

>>41834623
YOU FUCKIN' KNOW IT
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>>41834642
Which is STILL not something we want to tangle with.
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>>41834625
They arenvt an IMMEDIATE threat to our carriers, but they are a significant and unignorable one
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>>41834609
Existing, which is a shame.
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>>41834629
>Be onna island
>Boring rock-watching post
>Suddenly LIBERATE TUTEME EX INFERIS
>Oh god there are machine guns and spooky chicks and death
>Ancestral instincts kick in, go hide inna cave while everything is blowing up
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>>41834635
>Mad Cat
Eat shit and die, Clanner scum
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>Folks still alive on Iwo Jima
REV UP THOSE LANDING CRAFT
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>>41834635
You best get your self out of the inner sphere right now clanner!
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Posting handy carrier guide
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>>41834778
>handy carrier guide
seems legit
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>>41834778
Did someone say Mumboat?
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>>41834778
>always in heat
>shooting target
That's them alright. Now it's only missing mast height.
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>>41834827
Mumboat best boat
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>>41834768
no bully
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>>41834778
>Mariana Turkey
kek
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>>41834642

The F7F was the tiger cat the F8F was the Bearcats the former being the twin-engine fighter and the latter is an engine with wings.

I feel the autism overtaking me It is a good pain
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>>41834882
The chance for that ended when the Star League did.
It's Blake time now, friend.
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>>41834905
shit my bad meant tigercat
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>>41834778
Hiryu and Soryu, meanwhile, are the Isn't It Sad twins.
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>>41834930

it's all good they are both sexy as fuck shame they came too late, not that there was anything that the Hellcat couldn't already handle
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>>41834922
I prefer an alternative force of mechs.
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>>41835003
Let freedom ring
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>Goto's back in the fight
Ih thank goodness, I was worried he'd be out for a couple of hours
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>>41835040
I'm just glad that he's only suffered minor san-loss.
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>>41834509
>Taking out those carriers should be a top priority for us though, because while they're in the game it's five effective flight decks against our three.

It's already too late. We haven't completely fucked up everything, but we're pretty close. We should have sent the Hornet's bombers in with the strike against the Abyssal carrier force, where they could have insured a much heavier knock-out blow. Instead they're going to be hit, unescorted, over the surface group by those defending fighters. The survivors who get back will not be adding much to the defense against the Abyssal carriers' strike, and we'll still have to weather whatever Iwo Jima base is throwing at us.

It looks like the only really right call was using the Tomahawks on Iwo Jima so at least there won't be a second strike from there. But the odds are good one or more of the Abyssal carriers will survive, and Harder and his wolfpack were not doing very well at all when we last left them. And we're going to have to rely on the SSNs and support assets against the surface group; if we'd committed to knocking out the Abyssal carriers with all our available strike groups we could have thrown a second strike against them instead of having to follow up against the carriers.

Using the friggin' dive-bombers to thicken up CAP was a complete misuse of resources and the failure to concentrate assets on the Abyssal carriers is still going to fuck us in the ass, though.
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>>41835040
Kongou's probably doing this-and-that to him under the table.
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>>41835040
We just have to keep watch on him for a bit, just in case he starts chanting "Ia Ia Bismarck ftang".
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>>41835040
Kongou ministered to him.
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I thought everyone agreed to strike the CVs a few threads back?
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>>41835040
The magical power of donuts.
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>>41835110
"a few threads back" was about two months ago. We've forgotten.
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>Hornet's SBDs were due to hit the surface group and return to station shortly before the strike from the carriers
>Aircraft from Iwo Jima have met them, and can presumably reach our carriers at roughly the same time as our birds can return
...this doesn't feel right. Are fighters quicker to load and launch than attack craft? Would it make sense for Iwo Jima to have sent out these fighters to cover the surface group before launching her strike package?
Because if those fighters are the leading edge of her aircraft's field of movement that makes me very, very nervous.
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>>41835110
That's a separate strike, fellow admiral.
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>>41835134
Yes.
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>>41835110
We are doing that.
With the massive, turgid strike packages from the jap carriers
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Arkansas got spawncamped at Bikini, no fair

>wow, it took 5 of you to kill me!
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>>41835111
And public hand-holding.
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Also, can I just say that having those Burkes sailing with our girls in a joint fleet makes me rock fucking hard in the 'fuck yeah' sense?
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>>41835161
Why do I have the feeling that she's going to show up at LA bloodied, battered and wondering who the fuck she should report to.
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>>41835198
Iowa. She'll go report to Iowa.
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>>41834720
You mean ancestral Japanese instinct, which is to dig in, and make each step costly for the enemy.
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>>41835161
>Arkansas
>twelve 12"/50 guns in six turrets
>twenty-one 5"/51 guns

DAKADAKADAKADAKA
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>>41835110
>I thought everyone agreed to strike the CVs a few threads back?

Detailed analysis only happened /after/ the thread, which was dominated by revelation of the trap which encouraged the subsequent defensive-mindedness. Holding a vote on strategy at a cliffhanger and then implementing results in the next thread might just not be a good idea. We'd almost certainly have sent Hornet's strike group with the Jap planes to attack the carriers if the sudden trap hadn't made the players too cautious.

There's a valuable lesson here about how being too defensive-minded and cautious can be just as bad as being too aggressive. Though maybe the lesson is that votes to deal with a cliffhanger should happen in the next thread instead.
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>>41835058
>Harder and his wolfpack were not doing very well at all when we last left them

Spoiler alert! They all live. We win the engagement.
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>>41835225
Yeah, that's what I was getting at.
That whole damn island is just a bundle of unsettling inplications though
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>>41835225
Huh. That explains why the Japanese like the Germans so much. Germans instinctually fortify beaches.
If you see a hole on a beach, then a German will have dug it.
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>>41835278
I still don't understand why though.
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>>41835278

for some reason, I feel like this is relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGaGBbkmMFQ
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>>41835270
The goal was to take out those carriers. The Jap subs were getting chased away, and Harder was pinned between a pair of destroyers. Not exactly winning.
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>>41835270
>They all live. We win the engagement.
One thing does not necessarily carry the other. We only know they got out alive, but as far as we know they may have not hit a single vessel.
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My body is ready for when Settle finally gives up.
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>>41835258
In a carrier battle, being defensive means you get another chance to strike the enemy. Otherwise, you get no second chances.
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>>41835316
>>41835330
If literally nothing else they drew the flattops' escorts away from them and forcd them into ucomfortable maneuvering right as the incoming air strikes started. Very important.
>boat captcha
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>>41835316
>Harder was pinned between a pair of destroyers
Naughty boy.

I'm wondering when he will figure out that a) he can shoot up, and b) he has full situational awareness unlike people in a submarine.
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>>41835330
As evidenced at the Battle of Midway, a single distracted escort chasing away a sub can have far-reaching consequences.
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>>41835316
Harder was able to surface in order to save a few jap faeries. That would imply we cleared out the carrier group.
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>>41835364
NO WAIFUS
NO DAUGHTERS
HOPE RIDES ALONE
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>>41835299
Collective shame over the failure of the Atlantic Wall.
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>>41835364
So when when you say give up. Do you mean give up on not fucking the ship-girls or just generally give up on everything?
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>>41835392
Because hope needs nothing else.
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>>41835379
The one who lead the strike force to the carrier was not chasing subs though.
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>>41834922
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>>41835408
one leads to another
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>>41835408
Yes.
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>>41835376

And he is literally fuckin' tiny.

>>41835225
Traditional Japanese naval defense doctrine was to establish a strong defensive perimeter around the beaches/ports to deter enemy attacks via the sea. After that was literally.... nothing.

Iwo Jima... was a complete reversal of that doctrine. The GENERAL in charge of Iwo Jima in WW2 knew he was royally fucked, so instead of following Japanese doctrine, he engaged in a punishing gureilla(sic) war that made the American advance bleed.

Instead of the projected 7 days estimated by the USN to take Iwo Jima, it took nearly a month.

And THAT is why the Marines hold such reverence for Iwo Jima.
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>>41835392

THERE ARE NO HEROES LEFT IN MAN
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>>41835369
>In a carrier battle, being defensive means you get another chance to strike the enemy. Otherwise, you get no second chances.

And the enemy also gets another chance to strike. Which is a /problem/ when the enemy has more assets than you do. Their carrier group will have been hit by one air strike, ours by two air strikes. So if they get a third air strike in while we get a second strike in, it's very likely those results will be much less favorable than if we'd overwhelmed them on our first strike.

By which I mean we have more dead shipsluts.
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>>41835527

BELIEVE.
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Crush the Abyssals!
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>>41835547
Alright then, so let's say you're 100% on the ball and have a greater understanding of the situation than myself and the other Anons. What are your recommendations on resolving the situation that we're in? Is it better to stick to our plan, break off from the fight, or make some changes?
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>>41835570
Believe? But what?
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>>41835616
Believe in dreadnaughts?
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>>41835616
>>41835655

BELIEVE IN PLANEFAG.

And Kamen Rider.
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>>41835669
ENTER A HERO, ENTER A HERO, ENTER A HERO...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62qWI7CpIds
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>>41835616
In a thing called love.

Just listen to the rhythm of my heart.
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>>41835685
Damn it Hate this is how escort carriers are made...
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You flick your eyes at your watch and hiss – the laws of Time and Space are knocking again, and you're cutting it awfully fine. “Tell them to pick out the closest targets and nail them.”

The strike force – eleven SBDs and four Hellcats – split off in groups of four and three, angling for the most attractive target in their area. The Hellcats swing towards the incoming twin-engined machines; a horrific grisly grin shining out of a black carapace sandwiched between two segmented thorax-like nacelles. The incoming heavy fighters break off their attack run when the Hellcats give them a good squirt or two at long range; and then the fighters push over into dives at the closest escorts below them. They're some of the deckload of fighters you ordered Hornet to spot before dawn; when they were launched to clear the deck for a hasty launch of her SBDs she sent a few along as escorts, so they retained the light bombload you'd ordered slung. The “pilots” enter brief, steep attacks against the abyssal escort screen, throwing up towering columns of spray around the destroyers nimbly weaving through them – one of them with the old curved hull of a “torpedo boat destroyer” and another sporting the archaic four-stack design of an interwar destroyer, replete with the usual abyssal nightmare garnish.
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>>41835685
Huh, I thought Hornet will invite Settle more then Hate in that situation....

Or am I the only one?
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>>41835364
That should be on pic related. Might actually be on there already, haven't checked all of them.
extremely lewd
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>>41835685
Especially when you realize she's talking to one of the corgis.

...hopefully not 109.
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>>41835603
>Alright then, so let's say you're 100% on the ball and have a greater understanding of the situation than myself and the other Anons. What are your recommendations on resolving the situation that we're in? Is it better to stick to our plan, break off from the fight, or make some changes?

There's nothing to be done about it now. It's too late to change strategy. Hornet's unescorted divebombers are going to be butchered by the Abyssal fighters, and the survivors will do what they can in the CAP but be in no position to carry out another strike later on. So it's going to be up to the results of the purely Japanese strike and seeing just how effective our air defenses are.

Afterward we'll almost certainly have to strike the Abyssal carrier group again, and make damned good use of our support assets to escape without any further serious losses.
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>>41835685
First Iowa, then Hornet. There is no stopping Hate is there?
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Another monitor flicks into life as the drone operator gets his second long-range camera locked on (the fact that Global Hawks *have* two of them is presumably something you Didn't Need To Know.) You hear the faint sound of Shoukaku's odd footwear scraping across the tight-weave carpet; a sound you unconsciously associate with a man subtly stiffening his posture when someone Important walks into a room. You don't need to look to know she's thrumming with tension as the shaky camera feed shows the eleven SBDs motoring towards their targets, three flights singling out ships from the escort screen. They roll into their attacks, peeling out of formation in hard turns and turning inverted as they enter their dives to keep eyes on the target throughout the attack. Shoukaku cease to breathe as they pop their dive brakes. They seem to be moving in slow-motion, the attack stretching impossibly long; the small dark silhouettes vivid against the cornflower blue sky, with no background to give their velocity reference. You count ten, twenty, thirty seconds -

- and the sea seems to jump into the narrow field of view from nowhere, causing Shoukaku to gasp. The bombs swing out on yokes that sling the bombs clear of the SBDs propeller arcs as the bombers pull out at the last second, the heavy, sturdy planes pulling out of their dives within a few hundred feet of the ocean. Columns of spray explode around the abyssal warships -
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>>41835685
A real feelthy Hornet
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>>41835616
Believe in AMERICA!
>>41835685
Hate: master of ship seduction
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>>41835685
THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED EVER

HATE TELL THEM THIS HASN'T HAPPENED
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“GOD!” Shoukaku cries as the view vanishes in a horrible, blinding flash. The screen fuzzes as the operator disables the FLIR enhancement filter; and the image snaps into awful clarity; a fireball climbing for the sky.

“Right through the forward magazine,” Hate murmurs. Another two blinding explosions obliterate the view, and when they clear the ancient pseudo-ironclad is gone, and the four-stacker is now a three-stacker, her remaining chimneys bent and battered and afire stem-to-stern from flaming oil hurled on her by her expired mate. The SBDs motor away at wavetop height. The heavy fighters come thundering in to harass them, but the unburdened Hellcats are already zipping their way.

Except for one. The other drone cam is swishing back and forth trying to follow the maneuvering machine with its narrow field-of-view as it sheds its 12,000 feet of altitude in a tight downward spiral. The camera finally stops moving as the fighter levels out around 3,000 feet and plummets into a near-vertical dive, pulling out just over the waves as it races towards a destroyer turning away hard, hurling tracers and flak bursts into the air. The Hellcat's nose jerks up sharply and her bombs fly free for a few long seconds before they hit the calm water and glance off like stones, bouncing three, four, five times before they slam into the tin can's thin sides and detonate with terrible force. The pilot aimed for the stern and hit; you see the tiny dot of something on what looks a lot like a depth-charge thrower turn into a nimbus of light before entire stern vanishes in an explosion.
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>>41835792
Too late Hornet I've saved that pic for prosperity!
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So luck is a stat in the actual game, but do we have anything so far indicating that there is a similar probability-warping effect around the shipgirls in this quest? Because if there is, and one of those carriers is a particularly lucky ship, that could go a long way towards explaining how the battle's gone thus far.
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>>41835736
It seems she's bonded more with Hate.
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>>41835773
>Dauntlesses

We need to get Hornet outfitted with some Helldivers and Avengers.

Or maybe Corsairs instead of the Helldivers.
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“Better than nothing,” you murmur. You make a silent plea to whatever God there may be that you'll have mobile decks and planes enough in two hours to make this initial swipe meaningless, but you know full well it might not work out that way.

“Kaga. Akagi,” Goto groans into his headset. “Status.”

“Admiral!?” Akagi replies. “Admiral, are you ok-”

“Second strike is almost ready for launch,” Kaga replies calmly. “We're turning south into the wind in a few minutes.”

“Ah.” He flicks his eyes over the multitude of screens currently displaying your battle group – the go-pro cams on the plane guard destroyers, the top-down feed from an MQ-8 hovering over the group and the camera feed from the TV gun directors mounted high on Fitzgerald and Mustin's superstructures. He squints at Hornet, and fumbles blearily with his remote till the view is enhanced, showing the rest of the arrows with dark navy-blue fletching stuffed in her quiver, ready to be fired. “Sending a strike too, uhh?”

“T-those are for CAP,” Shoukaku tells him.

Goto turns his bleary eyes to you – and then closes them for a moment. “Uh.”

“Someone had to make a call,” you tell him. “I made it.”

He looks ready to snap at you – and then he clamps up into a thin-lipped grimace of resignation. “Yeah. I know.”
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>>41835792
How can you be so sure about that if you were drunk?

>>41835783
>AMERICA!
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>>41835817
SKIP BOMBING

FUCKING YES
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“You feeling good enough to help me out?”

Kongou almost leaps at you from her position hovering by Goto's side, her warm brown eyes riveting you with a panicked, desperate plea – and then she glances at Goto, tears forming in the corners of her eyes. You know what she's thinking – she wants nothing more than to get him out of this awful room, this awful [i]everything-[/i] but without her trusted teitoku at the helm, she fears for her sister's lives.

Goto seems to feel much the same. He turns his hard dark eyes to the tactical screens, flicking his gaze over his units, his kanmusu, his girls – and then sighs. “I... I've been compromised. If you give me command again, I – what if they – no telling what they *did* to me-”

[ ] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
[ ] He's right – if the abyssals got into his head, they could throw the whole battle with one planted mental suggestion.
[ ] Ask him to make the choice. You're nowhere near qualified enough to qualify or disqualify yourself as the commander in charge of an op like this.
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>>41835849
Though it seems Settle was the catalyst for that bonding in the first place.
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>>41835887
>[ ] Ask him to make the choice. You're nowhere near qualified enough to qualify or disqualify yourself as the commander in charge of an op like this.
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>>41835887
>[X] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
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>>41835887
>[ ] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
Time to Rise up Goto! You are better than this!
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>>41835887
>[ ] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
>[ ] other
And don't worry. If you act up I'll sic Kongou on you.

We sic Kongou on him at the end of the op anyways
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>>41835887
>[x] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
If we can manage then so can he.
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>>41835887
[ ] He's right – if the abyssals got into his head, they could throw the whole battle with one planted mental suggestion.

This is wayyy too dangerous
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>>41835817
I want to meet that pilot.

>>41835887
[x]Other
Kongou will monitor him for abnormalities.
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>>41835887
>[ ] Ask him to make the choice. You're nowhere near qualified enough to qualify or disqualify yourself as the commander in charge of an op like this.
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>>41835887
>[ ] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
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>>41835887
[X] He's right – if the abyssals got into his head, they could throw the whole battle with one planted mental suggestion.

Better safe than sorry.
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>>41835736
this was that night t the bar where Hate told us about Iowa

it lasted hours, there's no way they weren't both fall down drunk by the end

>>41835792
you wouldn't even know if it had, goddamn alcohol intolerant Pocahontas wannabe
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>>41835887
>Shut up and nut up, Goto
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>>41835887
Write-in:
Ask Kongo if she still trusts her Admiral to make the right decisions in this situation without being compromised by the Abyssals. She knows him best out of everyone here. She cares the most for him too.
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>>41835887
>[ ] Ask him to make the choice. You're nowhere near qualified enough to qualify or disqualify yourself as the commander in charge of an op like this.

If he's in, let him be in of his own accord
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>>41835887
>[ ] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
>If you are compromised I'll deal with you myself.
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>>41835887
>[x] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.

He's as coherent as we are. If he's compromised, so are we.
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>>41835745
We're not done for yet, the one pro of the advanced CAP is that anything they do send will be mauled to death by sheer dakka of air defenses and cap. Whatever that carrier strike groups sends isn't coming back to reload.
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>>41835887
>>41835926
Supporting this.
They both need to get laid.
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>>41835887
[X] Ask him to make the choice. You're nowhere near qualified enough to qualify or disqualify yourself as the commander in charge of an op like this.
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>>41835887
>>41835926
this
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>>41835887
>[x] He's right – if the abyssals got into his head, they could throw the whole battle with one planted mental suggestion.
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>>41835887

>[ ] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
>[ ] Ask him to make the choice. You're nowhere near qualified enough to qualify or disqualify yourself as the commander in charge of an op like this.

"PsyOps is a normal part of warfare, Goto. And we've got men who stared at GOATS."
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>>41835887
>[ ] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
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>[X] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.

He knows his ships better than we do, and he's spent more time commanding fleet actions.
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>>41835926
>>41835887
This
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>>41835887
>[X] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
Next time we answer the phone though.
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>>41835945
and they ended up waiting near his room didn't they?
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>>41835887
>[ ] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
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[X] Order Kongo to watch him and if he does something adnormal to ship up and pull him out.
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>>41835887
>>41835926
ahaha this
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>>41835887
[X]Ask him to make the choice.
If he goes full [Enemy Control] we'll Kongo him into submission
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>>41835994
yup
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>>41835992
>>41835887
+1
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>>41835817
GET THAT MAN A MEDAL
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>>41835887
>[x] Shut up and nut up, Goto - I need you, and so do they.
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So my reading comprehension has gone to hell.

How much did the surface fleet had in terms of ships.

How much damage did the scouting raid do?
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>>41835930
>I want to meet that pilot.

There's a distinct probability that he has died of old age at this point. Even the youngest WW2 vets are around 90. Something great will soon be lost. Actual combat witnesses to WW2.
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>>41835887
>>[ ] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
>>[ ] other
>And don't worry. If you act up I'll sic Kongou on you.
>We sic Kongou on him at the end of the op anyways

We talked to her too. If one of is compromised, we might both be. I suppose we'll just have to let the other people in the room tell us if we've gone *too* crazy.
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>>41835992
>Next time we answer the phone though.

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little ship? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class at Annapolis, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Abyssals, and I have over three confirmed kills. I am trained in surface warfare and I'm the top Rear Admiral in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another contact. I will neutralize you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the phone? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of subs across the Pacific and you phone number is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, dinghy. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your flight deck. You're fucking dead, slut. I can command anywhere, anytime, and I can confuse matters in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare voice. Not only am I extensively untrained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Slut Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable hull off the face of the ocean, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your "clever" little comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't and now you're paying the price, you goddamn shipwreck. I will shit Tomahawks all over you and you will drown in them. You're fucking dead, shipo.
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>>41835887
>>41835926

This.

And then when Goto is being dragged away, dinner with Shoukaku
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>>41835887
"Kongo, if Goto starts acting funny, then do your thing."
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>>41836030
Are you retarded?
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Muh Mustin.
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>>41835887
>[x] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.

"When the Abyssal looks into you, you look back into it and tell it to get stuffed. They’re just echoes, and they don't even realize how lucky they were to not have to throw their crews into the fire. Don’t worry about them knowing how to fuck with your brain, because they don't even know enough to unfuck themselves."
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>>41835887
>[ ] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
just make sure kongou doesnt leave his side
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>>41835887
>[X] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.

I had a similar phonecall buddy. If you're compromised so am I, so nut the fuck up and help me help our people win this goddamn fight.
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>>41835817
>>41835870
WHO IS THAT PILOT?

Give that man a medal! Then court martial him as a formality for breaking formation n' shit
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>>41835887
[X] He's right – if the abyssals got into his head, they could throw the whole battle with one planted mental suggestion.

It's just like my X-Com clusterfucks! I mean games!
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>>41836055
Ok, I'll bite, why am I retarded? Was my math off?
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>>41836066

Its a Young fae
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>>41836081
How would a fairy die of old age?
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>>41835926
>>41835887
Perfect
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>>41836039
>You're fucking dead, shipo.
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>>41836032
Seconding these.
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>[ ] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.

We're gonna be by his side the entire time. Worst comes to worst, we have multiple shipgirls nearby to subdue him.

Being sane was never in the job description after all anyways.
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>>41836044
Nah
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>>41835887
>[ ] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.

Grow some balls, we have a war to win.
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>>41836114
>Being sane was never in the job description after all anyways.
It's a life lesson he taught to us, and now we need to remind him of it.
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>>41835887
>Kongou, keep an eye on him. Goto, any orders from you go through my mouth and radio
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>>41836044

This man gets it
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>>41836090
I was>>41835930 under the impression that Anon wished to meet the pilot of the plane in the photograph.

Wanting to meet the fairies from KanColle would be a given around here, and hardly worth mentioning specifically.
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>>41836044
>>41835887
S H O U K E I N E
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>>41836044
Nah, Victory Dinner with the expedition fleet.
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>>41836044

I can get behind this.

Dinner after successful op.

Maybe head off base?

Or home cooked meal?
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>>41835887
>[X] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
Compromised or not, if he goes the rest will notice and fear for the worst.
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votes

C A L L E D
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We should see about getting Harder some upgraded torpedoes for his next op. Mk16s are a direct upgrade of Mk14s with better range and a much more powerful warhead. However it was also more expensive, the USN used both types up until the 70s. If the ordnance techs managed to un-fuck his Mk14s they should be able to get him some.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_16_torpedo

>>41835887
>>41835926
TIE GOTO TO HIS CHAIR using Kongou instead of rope.

This way he can stay and give his input but we don't have to worry about GOTO IS UNDER ALIEN CONTROL.
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>>41835887
>[ ] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.
Have a backup plan in place just in case Goto goes bonkers though. By which I mean someone with a big stick
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>>41836158
So you are retarded. Good to know.

I'll be nice and advice you to reread that story post. Twice. That way your brain might pick up on why someone might want to meet a specific fairy mentioned in that post.
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>>41836175
If that's Keine, where's her pagoda hat?
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>>41836187
Hang out with the injured
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>>41836200

Thing is, are his tubes compatible to the Mark 16?

Or will we be stuffing them torpedoes into holes too small for them?
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>>41833884
>[ ] Order the strike to pick targets now attack and exfiltrate at best speed by flight (units of four.)
This is meant to be a quick harrassment strike to get the bombs off the planes so the SBDs can return to CAP our own task-force. Get in fast, rattle their cage, then bug out and cover our own carriers. Timing is critical, and right now actually damaging the enemy heavy units is strictly a bonus.
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>>41835926
>>41835968
>>41835971
>>41835989
>>41836015
>>41836044

Guys, don't threaten him for acting up. If they get into his head, that's two birds with one stone for them. threaten him for letting them in.
>"If you let them into your head, the rest of your life will be in a white room with naught but Kongou and a teakettle. Now get in the game, Goto."

>>41836039
Make Pic related version of this. Someone. Anyone.
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>>41836232
Its going to take at least one full day for them to come back you know.
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Oh yeah. Shoukaku is apparently getting a Kai Ni soon. The current event drops a component needed to upgrade her (or Zuikaku, who's also getting one) as the reward for clearing one of the maps.
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>>41836237
Hey I don't know if anyone's told you yet but moot left us.
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>>41836237
Anon is your ISP always that shit?
I swear i've seen you in another quest.
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>>41836271
Also, a black dude got elected President.
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>>41836258
I see then we can spend that time preparing for their return.

Willie D shows she is not a fuck up,

Fubuki hangs out with her Senpai.

Save Harder from the Iku

Hornet gains confidence.
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>>41836314
Provided that they all survive.
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[X] Shut up and nut up, Goto – I need you, and so do they.

Hell, we listened to the phone too. If they've got some kind of audio mind-control then both of us are fucked.
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>>41836314
>Save Harder from the Iku
Why would we?
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>>41836314
Dont we still have to wait for them to get back first for that?
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>>41836314
And 20 threads late or so, we throw a party!
And AZ will be there, and Shoukaku will be there, and we'll make the theme being welcome in human society! Because how has no-one thought to just throw a bloody "welcome home" party for the 70+ year-old homes and lives of our militaries?

assuming we win.
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>>41836359
Yeah, that's naka's job, not settle's
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>>41836261
It'll be interesting what it'll turn out like both in looks/stats.

>>41836314
Don't you help Harder deal with Iku fittingly?
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>>41836283
Fucking Windows Update is killing my DL speed.

>>41836299
... you mean Florida finally sorted out that 'dimpled chad' bullshit?
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>>41836261
We'll have to help her with her fitting out

Make sure everything's shipshape and whatnot
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>>41836314
You've forgotten...
Kongou successfully seduces Goto.

Yamato gets spanked by a badminton racket.

the DesDiv 6 lolis get leather long coats and cowboy hats

Settle has a nice home cooked meal with Shoukaku and Arizona.
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>>41836386
As this anon, to clarify (before the waifufags and anti-waifufags chew me out): It's implied that everyone will be there, those two are just part of the list. Willie Dee, Harder, Hornet, Naka etc. etc. somebullshit.
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>>41836411
>leaving auto-update on
Turn windows update off and just update manually once a week.

And if you are on Win10 which cant turn auto-update off, upgrade back to Win7.
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>>41836436
>Hates ravaged body is found in his bunk, along with a white sunhat bearing a black ribbon
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>>41836359
>literally the cold war submarine situation

ahahaha
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>>41836234
>Or will we be stuffing them torpedoes into holes too small for them?
>next to a pic of I-19
>holes too small
>I-19
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>>41836436
>Yamato gets spanked by a badminton racket.
>the DesDiv 6 lolis get leather long coats and cowboy hats

I'm trying to decide which one of those would be better.
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>>41836436
Didn't Hornet have something to tell Settle after the OP?
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>>41836501
could be worse

Also, SoDak class confirmed FAT
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>>41836555
Yup
Nice Trips
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>>41836436
>the DesDiv 6 lolis get leather long coats and cowboy hats

ARIZONA: -.-- --- ..- / . .--- . -.-. - . -.. / - .... . / ..-. .. .-. ... - / ... .... . .-.. .-.. / -... -.-- / ..-. .- .. .-. -.-- --..-- / -.. .. -.. -. .----. - / -.-- --- ..- ..--.. / .. / ... . . / .-- .... .- - / -.-- --- ..- / .-- . .-. . / - .-. -.-- .. -. --. / - --- / -.. --- --..-- / -... ..- - / - . ... - .. -. --. / .- / - . -.-. .... -. .. --.- ..- . / -.-- --- ..- .----. ...- . / --- -. .-.. -.-- / .... . .- .-. -.. / .- -... --- ..- - / .. -. / - .... . / -- .. -.. -.. .-.. . / --- ..-. / -... .- - - .-.. . / .-- .- ... -. .----. - / ...- . .-. -.-- / ... -- .- .-. - .-.-.- / -... . ... .. -.. . ... --..-- / .. / -.. --- -. .----. - / - .... .. -. -.- / -.-- --- ..- .----. .-. . / -.-. ..- - / --- ..- - / ..-. --- .-. / .- -. / .- ..- - --- .-.. --- .- -.. . .-. / .- -. -.-- .-- .- -.-- .-.-.- / -.-- --- ..- / - . -. -.. / - --- / .- -... ... --- .-. -... / .-. . -.-. --- .. .-.. / -... -.-- / -... . -. -.. .. -. --. / - .... . / . .-.. -... --- .-- .-.-.- / - .... .- - .----. ... / -- --- .-. . / --- ..-. / .- / .-. . ...- --- .-.. ...- . .-. / - . -.-. .... -. .. --.- ..- . .-.-.-

ARIZONA: ... - .. .-.. .-.. --..-- / - .... .- - / .-- .- ... / ... --- -- . / ..-. .- -. -.-. -.-- / ... .... --- --- - .. -. --. .-.-.- / -.-- --- ..- .----. .-. . / .--. .-. . - - -.-- / --. --- --- -.. .-.-.-

AKATSUKI: Pretty... good...
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>>41836573
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>>41836555

still sad that nobody screamed DEATH FLAG at that

oh well, can't always be mister fancy foreshadowing I guess
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>>41836562

God damn, boom boom chubby choom choom needs to get in the fuckin' gym.
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>>41836534
but thats talking about harder's holes.
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>>41836562
jesus christ, just imagine the SWEET HOME ALABAMA on that girl
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>>41835505
We know how well that doctrine worked for Truk.
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Soon
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>>41836573
>Translation for people who cannot into morse code.

ARIZONA: YOU EJECTED THE FIRST SHELL BY FAIRY, DIDN'T YOU? I SEE WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO, BUT TESTING A TECHNIQUE YOU'VE ONLY HEARD ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF BATTLE WASN'T VERY SMART. BESIDES, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE CUT OUT FOR AN AUTOLOADER ANYWAY. YOU TEND TO ABSORB RECOIL BY BENDING THE ELBOW. THAT'S MORE OF A REVOLVER TECHNIQUE.

ARIZONA: STILL, THAT WAS SOME FANCY SHOOTING. YOU'RE PRETTY GOOD.

AKATSUKI: Pretty... good...
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>>41836573
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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>>41836594
Thought about it, but I felt it was too easy to make the judgement/too cliche for you.
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>>41836501
Bookworm Moe (yet mildly lewd) Sub~


>>41836594
It's comically blatant one.

>>41836607
Oh god that reminds me of the hambeasts that would come in and buy entire liters of diet cola.
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>>41836594
OH HYEA NAH!

>Oh crap
>don't thing PF is kidding
>Hopefully we don't get a repeat of Kisaragi who lives in a pineapple at the bottom of teh sea.
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>>41836672
And here I can read morse code, but it's--as intended--encoded. It takes time. I'd have gotten that eventually, but after the 5th word or so, I figured someone was gonna use a translator long before I could finish reading and reply, as I used to do for that AZ namefag's posts.
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>>41836725
Hammering Hank did nothing wrong.
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Question, PF. What's the status of the Islamic State assholes in this universe? Are they pulling ever more heinous shit in an attempt to draw worldwide attention back on them, or did the international community finally get sick of their shit and bomb them back to the stone age?
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>>41836234
It's hard to find data on the Mk16 because it was introduced at the very end of the war and gyro guided torpedoes were going obsolete. No one had a navy that was worth using them on. By contrast the Mk 14 is very well documented because of it's various fuckups.

As far as I can tell though the Mk16 is a direct upgrade to the Mk14. It has the same 21 inch diameter and the same length, but is some 305 kilos heavier.

Mk14
Date In Service: 1931
Weight: 3,061 lbs. (1,388 kg)
Overall Length: 20 ft 6 in (6.248 m)
Warhead: 668 lbs. (303 kg) TPX
Range / Speed: 4,500 yards (4,100 m) / 46 knots or 9,000 yards (8,200 m) / 31 knots
Power: Wet-heater steam turbine
Guidance: Mark 12 Mod 3 gyro

Mk16
Date In Service: 1945
Weight: 3,922 lbs. (1,799 kg)
Overall Length: 20 ft 6 in (6.248 m)
Warhead: 960 lbs. (435 kg) HBX
Range / Speed: 11,500 yards (10,500 m) / 46 knots
Power: Hydrogen Peroxide (Navol) turbine
Guidance: Mark 12 Mod 3 gyro

Incidentally the Mk15 torpedoes used on US Destroyers were very similar to the Mk14, being 20% longer. The Mk15 got the same technology upgrade that the Mk14 did. At the moment only Sammy and Willie could carry Mk17s but it would be a huge upgrade, the maximum range alone is over 3 times that of the Mk 15s.

Mk17
Date In Service: 1945
Weight: 4,800 lbs. (2,177 kg)
Overall Length: 24 ft 0 in (7.315 m)
Explosive Charge: 880 lbs. (399 kg) HBX
Range / Speed: 18,000 yards (16,500 m) / 46 knots
Power: Hydrogen Peroxide (Navol) turbine
Guidance Mark: 12 Mod 3 gyro
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>>41836790

Did you miss the part where Hate makes fuzzy implied commentary about Falluja 2.0?
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>>41836546
not gonna lie, I kinda want that turret squirt-gun
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>>41836594
Thing is the shipgirls won't abandon her.
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>>41836562
The South Dakota sisters aren't fat, they have the same three sizes as the Iowa sisters. It's just that they're only three quarters the height, so if Iowa is six feet tall, Alabama is only four foot six...
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>>41836044
Nah, tired of her getting shoved down our throats.
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>>41836829

Proportions, motherfucker, do you understand them?
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>>41836807
Yes. Yes I did. I honestly didn't put the pieces together and thought he was talking about Falluja part 1.
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>>41836790
who cares
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>>41836790
Probably still around, but jihadis in the sand aren't really an existential threat in the same way vengeful warship denying sea travel is.
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>>41836829
A shortstack eh?....Or as the japanese call them Oppai lolis!
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>>41836841
>tired of her getting shoved down our throats
Shouldn't that be the other way?
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>>41836790
I guess that by this time, America has got tired of their shit and has sent in the B-52s. Followed by marines.
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>>41835979
Story anon, story! Goats?
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>>41836790

Starving.

Middle East in general needs to import food. Lot of it is starving.
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>>41836898
The US tried to develop psychics during ww2 by having men stare at goats.
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Hey guys we just hit bump limit.
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>>41836928
Slower than usual.
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>>41836672
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0dI4JoHEcpO
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>>41836898
I think it was a CIA-funded experiment into the possibility of actual psychics. The basis for the experiment was (I believe) unconfirmed reports that the Soviets were doing the same.

All in all, it just amounted to a bunch of guys being paid to stare at goats and try to spontaneously develop psychic-powered death glares.
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Every thread.
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someone make a Hate fae
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>>41836261
>Shoukaku Kai Ni
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>>41836981

XO on the Iowa
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>>41836981
Not nearly angry enough.
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>>41836939
Only 310 posts, and 1/3 of the image limit?

STEP IT UP, ANON
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>>41836926
>>41836957
I don't even.

Where did the Soviets get goats?
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>>41836981
But Hate IS fae.
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>>41836991
That hat is not nearly big enough.
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>>41837006

MOAR GRUMPUS IS REQUIRED
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>>41836851

Yes, I do. :) And I find short women very sexy, cutest woman I've ever met was <5 feet tall and had a perfect figure for a supermodel otherwise. Would have fit perfectly on my lap except she was already married. :(
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>>41837017
Or half fae at least by now.
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>>41837015
Plundered them from the Germans during/after WW2.
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>>41837015
No, man. The goats were used in the American experiments. The filthy Soviets tried to do it to kittens.
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>>41836898

You've heard of the movie "The Men Who Stare At Goats", right? Well, this was based off a book of the same name. And this book is great reading.

The Cold War was a strange and hilarious time.
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>>41837015
Same way you get "Bellion Sheep"
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Goto's been a central figure in your brief time at Yokosuka, but you haven't really thought about *him* much, busy as you were rushing from one crisis to the next. Offically your job here was to be the Nominal American in charge of the Nominal American Shipgirl Presence, and devote yourself to managing their needs, keeping them from Turning To The Dark Side and handling the paperwork associated therewith. It's Goto's show and always has been – you figured he gave you command of the skirmish where Naka got hurt because Arizona was the heavy hitter in that one, and you did well enough that he let you keep the reigns when the hostile battleships revealed themselves. Had you made a call he didn't like you were sure he would've relieved you immediately.

You were wrong. Even today, before that damned phone call, he was discussing strategic and tactical options with you, bouncing ideas between you like a ping-pong ball. He's been treating you like an equal, and you were simply too strung-out (and perhaps flat-out unsophisticated-salty-dawg-can't-learn-Brass-tricks stupid) to realize the implications. You get nervous and self-conscious when Admiral Thomas walks into the room, but you never really looked at Goto for what he is – a man commanding a fleet at least as large and powerful as 7th fleet itself.
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>>41837026
>Dat Willie Dee
Gets me every time

Willie Dee a best
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High commanders maneuver sterile little force icons on big maps just like the one glowing on the wall of the CIC. It's easy to rationalize hundreds or thousands of sailors as pawns in the larger game, men who signed up for the job and knew the risks. At worst he might personally know a few of the skippers on each boat from prior service. But Goto has a face and a voice to put with each little blue dot – many of the most vulnerable and expendable are the youngest and most innocent, children in every sense – and he's been doing it for sixteen fucking months.

Early in the morning, in this shadowed CIC, you suddenly realize why Kongou idolizes him so much. They all should. And it tells you exactly what you need to know. You look into Goto's eyes and speak firmly.

“They got into my head, once,” you tell him. “Didn't even talk – just... just looked at me. And I knew. I *knew* them for what they were, some... some evil, fucking *evil* thing, by instinct.”

“... and?” he asks in the silence.

“And then I stood up and I fought the bastards with everything I had.”
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Goto sighs, and for a moment you see the load resting on the man. Kongou slips up behind him and wraps her arms around his middle, burying her face against his neck as she hugs him tightly. The lithe Admiral seems to swell with authority, his spine stiffening as he slowly shrugs off Kongou's affections with sheer Authority.

“God *damn* it Kongou, I'm *working.*”

Kongou's expression brightens like a flashbulb; a brilliant flash of smile and joy that dims as she remembers the atmosphere. “Y-yes,” she says. “C-c-offee for teitoku!” She dashes off in pursuit.

“Uh,” Goto says, sagging as soon as she's left the room. “Okay, sit-rep please?”

“I've had them steaming east to stagger the enemy attacks,” you tell him. “The hostile carrier strike should hit us in about -” you check your watch - “forty minutes. Kaga and Akagi should have their second strikes off the decks in about five.”

“What's with the SBDs?”

“Hornet can warm up planes on her flight deck-”

He raises an eyebrow.

You shrug and plow on “-so she was able to get most of a squadron of 'em up in time to hit the hostile surface group and get back here just before the first wave hits.”

“So-”

“Rest of them will go up when they turn into the wind to launch Akagi and Kaga's strikes. We'll keep the fighters stacked at altitude against dive bombers and let the SBDs go gunning for any torpedo bombers.”
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>>41837059
They must have created the happiest men in the union.
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He process that, thinking intently. “I can see it working.”

“In about thirty minutes,” you affirm with false confidence.

“Iwo?”

“We were just doing BDA when you came around and stole the remote. Pretty sure the runways are fucked, but we-”

“-don't know how fast abyssals can fix things and they probably launched a ton of shit before the missiles got there and we're fucked anyways,” Goto finishes.

“We've got our own land-based air moving now,” you offer. “The timing is gonna be tricky, but we should have help for the CAP.”

He sighs and rubs his eyes. “Nothing to do now-”

“-but wait,” you finish. You fucking hate it, but you know he's right. You turn your eyes back to the sterile blue tactical plot, and let your imagination run wild trying to guess what kind of horrors are whistling through the air towards your girls at this very moment. You feel the cold chill of dread that Shoukaku did minutes ago – somewhere overhead, plummeting towards you, is an Iron Fist.

And all you can do is wait for it to land.

[ ] Meanwhile, 225nm away from the CVs and 400 feet down....
[ ] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....
[ ] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...
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>>41836955
Holy fuck. Hayter?
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>>41837107
>Kongou
>getting coffee

God damn
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>>41837123
Or the most PTSD'd men, should one have succeeded.
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>>41837130
[X] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...
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>>41837130
>[X] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...

CONVENTIONAL FORCES.

LEMME SEE
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>>41837130
>[x] Meanwhile, 225nm away from the CVs and 400 feet down....
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>>41837130
[X] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....
Wut r the Virginias doing.
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>>41837130
>[x] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....
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>>41837130
>Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet...

HUNT FOR RED ABYSSALS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEt41bYQBgE
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>>41837131

Naw, a very convincing soundalike. Too high on some words, wrong inflection on others, but if I were a little more sloshed, I'd be forgiven for reaching the same conclusion.
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[ X ] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...
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>>41837130
>[X] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up.
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....
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Which one is gonna give us Harder?

Hell, I cannot into maps today, so what do each of the choices MEAN?
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>>41837130
what the fuck are these choices?

#1 our Hunter Killer subs?

#2 Harder?

#3 what the fuck?
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>>41837130
>[x] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....
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>>41837130

>[ ] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...

IT'S A FLYING SHEEP
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>>41837130
>Options referencing CVs
Which CVs are these?
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>[ ] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...
I want all of them, but I know I shouldn't.
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>>41837203
the choice 225 nm away from the cv's, and 400 ft down
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...

Ok, bets on that Fairy being Young
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, 225nm away from the CVs and 400 feet down....
>>41837140
And maybe some donuts too.
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>>41837204

1) Harder Wolfpack

2) Conventional ASW SSNs

3) Japanese F-2s and P-8s.
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, 225nm away from the CVs and 400 feet down....
Time for Harder
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[ ] Meanwhile, 225nm away from the CVs and 400 feet down....
[ ] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....
Enemy CV or friendly?
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>>41837130
>[x] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...
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>>41837130
>Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....

Lets murder a sushi wokyuu!
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>>41837130
>Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....

Assuming this means our conventional subs
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>>41837204
#3 is probably inbound air support. Hopefully F-18Es loaded for bear.

>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, 225nm away from the CVs and 400 feet down....
HIT 'EM AGAIN, HARDER!
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>>41837218
Right, then. Thank you.

>>41837130
>[x] Meanwhile, 225nm away from the CVs and 400 feet down...
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....
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SKIPPER'S LIST

The 18 things Admiral Settle is no longer allows to do at Command Fleet Activites Yokosuka

(1) Willie D is not allowed near the missile store
(2) Nor is Sammy
(3) Not allowed to touch live ordinance with hands
(4) Not allowed to touch live ordinance with any other part of anatomy.
(5) Do not encourage fights between capital ships
(6) The Marines are an important part of our warfighting capabilities in the Far East. Do not mindbreak them with the secrects of NBEs.
(7) Even if he was asking for it.
(8) Not allowed to drive a golf cart during an air raid.
(9) Not allowed to ride in a gold cart during an air raid.
(10) Not allowed to be towed behind a golf cart during an air raid.
(11) Upon being informed of a potential situation involving shipgirls and civilians, the proper response is not "bring it bitches"
(12) Cpl. Hate is an important part of FORCEPRO for the Navy NBE program. As such, he is to be employed against civilians as sparingly as possible
(13) Even if it is funny
(14) Not allowed to imply battleships are secretly male.
(15) Not allowed to threaten ships with black magic
(16) Not allowed to wager with shipgirls on the possibility of their sisters dying
(17) Even the bitchy ones.
(18) Command is not interested in why there you have a room full of shipgirls dressed in nurse outfits.
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....
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>>41837130
>[X] Meanwhile, 225nm away from the CVs and 400 feet down....
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>>41837261
Nuclear subs, but yes, they are actual boats.

Speaking of which, since submarines are boats and not ships, does that make Submarine Kanmasu Boat Bitches and not Shipsluts?
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>>41837130
>[X] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...
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>>41837130
>[X] Meanwhile, 225nm away from the CVs and 400 feet down....
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>[X] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up.
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, 225nm away from the CVs and 400 feet down....
Time for the SSNs to hunt Cthulhu.
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, 225nm away from the CVs and 400 feet down....


REMEMBER, DON'T DO STUPID THINGS.
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>>41837130
>Meanwhile, on Iwo Jima

I want to see what that lone survivor is doing.

...on a related note, let's pray that Tinian never spawns an Airfield Princess.
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>>41837275
>(14) Not allowed to imply battleships are secretly male.

I knew Arizona was really a man
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>>41837181
хopoший выбop, тoвapищ!

>>41837130
>[x] Meanwhile, 225nm away from the CVs and 400 feet down....
assuming >>41837232 is correct.
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>>41837130
>Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....
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>>41837130
>[x] Meanwhile, 225nm away from the CVs and 400 feet down...

I really hope we get to see all 3 of these perspectives.

And google stop spying on me and giving boat captchas
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>>41835792

Pretty sure it happened. Also positive we talked, then I made you drink water and made sure you got sleep.

>>41835755

Fuckin, no.
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...
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>>41837130
On second thought, changing my vote from >>41837181
to >>41837314

>MEANWHILE, ON IWO JIMA
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>>41837275
>(18) Command is not interested in why there you have a room full of shipgirls dressed in nurse outfits.
Fucking navy regulations man.
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>>41837130
[x] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet
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I want to recreate the Formosa Air Raid
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>>41837314
What is Tinian's story?
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>>41837275
(20) There is no 19, and she damn well knows why.
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[X] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...

PLAAAAAANES
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>>41837275
This needs to be put somewhere semi-official and easily accessible, and expanded on greatly
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...
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>>41837326
>>41837329
Fucking...

Just once, can you give us options that make sense planefag?
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>>41837358
Which one?
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>>41837130
[x] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....

Also
>nm

Nanometers are real small man
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>>41837359
It's where Enola Gay and (I think) Bocks Car took off from
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>>41837359
Tinian is where they launched the attacks on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
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>>41837359

Tinian is where Enola Gay and Bock's Car operated out of.
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>>41837359
We basically turned the entire island into an airfield, from which we burned Japan to the ground one city at a time.
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>>41837387
>>41837390
>>41837391
Ahhh thanks anon!

Or we get Russian silo girls.
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>>41837275
(21). Command is even less interested why you frivolously call upon strategic ally assets to do simple tasks.
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>>41837362
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>>41837381
The one just before the Phillipines campaign. 500 aircraft destroyed.
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>>41837275
(21) Not allowed to insinuate that a battleship is getting fat.
(22) Even if she is.
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>>41837386
nautical miles, son
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>>41837387
>>41837390
>>41837391
Not just Enola Gay and the 509th, every single B-29 that bombed Japan operated out of Tinian
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>>41837275
(19)Not allowed to bait Kongou with donuts to create a diversion to skip out on his duties of the day.
(20)Neither is Goto allowed to do the same.
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>>41837429
>Even if she is
Especially if she is
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>>41837275
(21) The proper response to unautherised civilians on the base is to report them to the Military Police. Not pointing them out to Cpl. Hate.
(21b) Or Sammy. She's been looking for something to test her corgis on.
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>>41837130
>[ ] Meanwhile, three hundred nautical miles north and 35,000 feet up...


>>41837355
BLAKE ELEISON
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>>41837397

So, uh, Hoppo?
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>>41837439
Huh.
I didn't know that.
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>>41837475
No, Hoppo is Dutch Harbor.
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>>41837096
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>>41837471

(21c) Or Harder. He knows why.
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>>41837445
>>41837429
>>41837412
Because /tg/ can't count:

(25) Not allowed to acquire checkered paint for shipgirls, even if the rules allow it.
(26) Not allowed to acquire flight line for shipgirls, even if the rules allow it.
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>>41837474
Who?
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>>41837439
That just makes it even worse, because *every* bomber taking off from there would have to be treated as if it carried a nuke...
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>>41837481
Tinian was a huge fucking airfield, one of the biggest in the world by 1945.
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>>41837130
>[x] Meanwhile, 600 feet below the CVs, er, feet....
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>>41837502
or as a minor edit to both, just because it sounds better: Even if it is a real thing, and *can* be made.

and (27) Regardless of who was asking for it.
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>>41837450
>Bulges?
>Colorado sufficient?
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Edsall when
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>>41837526
What happened to the island after that?
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>>41837015

Fucking no.

>>41837275

That fucking list is missing like 30 items. also 12 is wrong. It's "employed as often as possible"
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All right, since we're working with SSNs, how many people have any basis in submarine tactics?
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>>41837539
I don't care how kinky or sexy it's intended to be, I just don't see the point of having a skirt that's shorter than your vagina.
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>>41837539
>Colorado sufficient?
Wee Vee and the Tennessee girls plumped up so much they couldn't fit through the panama canal anymore
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>>41837557
Submawhat now?

Don't worry, we've got this. We just have to bounce the abyssals and then crazy ivan out. That's what /tg/ taught me.
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>>41837557
I've read several books about it and played enough CMANO and Harpoon to know the basics.
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>>41837557
www
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>>41837557
SSN are sub hunters right?
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CALLING VOTES WOOT
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>>41837548
It was all abandoned.
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>>41837516
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>>41837548
Abandoned, mostly. The western air field was converted to commercial use, the north one left to turn back into jungle. There’s still some residents there, but Guam is where our primary base in the Marianas is these days.
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>>41837577
The point is being sexy. It's like a strippers clothes. They aren't supposed to be practical.
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>>41837541
I like you.
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>>41837599
Such a waste. It could be an airport for planes to lay over in the middle of the pacific.
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>>41837541
After Showboat.

Ahem, SHOWBOAT WHEN YOU FUCK
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>>41837613
That's what Guam is for. The old fighter strip is Tinian's actual airport.
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>>41837557
I know the basics:

1) stay silent
2) torpedo enemy ships and subs
3) if you have missiles them you should wait until either a friendly data links to you or until you have got your own targeting data. THEN hit the bastards with missiles.
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>>41837582
>>41837586
>>41837588
Why do I even bother. And you guys will vote for the option before reading the arguments of people who do know what they're talking about, right?
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>>41837539
THIS HAD BETTER BE OUR CANON COLORADO
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>>41837577
Well, obviously Colorado would have a mile-high skirt.
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Pretty narrow voting; third option wins by two! writan
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>>41837629
You got to persuade us with sound logic anon.
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>>41837557
Does "dive deep and go silent" count?
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>>41837613
actually doesn't make sense to do that.

(civilian) Planes burn the most fuel on takeoff, and fuel is one of the most important bottlenecks to a successful passenger aircraft operation. So if faced with a choice to use a plane with greater range and having a plane do multiple short hops and pay for on-ground refuelling, most civil airline companies will opt for the longer-ranged plane.
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>>41837596
>Planefag is on record as asking for people to give reasons behind votes, so he knows whether or not they are making the choice they intend
>Still doesn't explain his posted options, regardless of how Vague or confusing they are

I should be used to this by now.
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>>41837643
>Deme's readers
>Sound logic

brb dying of laughter
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>>41837633

It's not.
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Hopefully soon
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>>41837641
Everyone was confused as to which group of subs was which, and that definitely effected the vote count.

Just sayin'
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>>41837629
Where the hell do you think you are?
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>>41837641
Perhaps we can have writeups of the perspectives we didn't get to play after the battle?

It would be a waste for all those session notes to just sit there, after all...
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>>41837663

I was going to say something about this being a simple scene change, but -

- you're right. You're absolutely right. You should expect this by now.
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>>41837633
Nah too trash and not really shipish.
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>>41837663
>being THIS retarded
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>>41837498
HMAS VAMPIRE WHEN, FAP ANGLE?!
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>>41837697
>Everyone was confused as to which group of subs was which

>not knowing what can dive deeper - a 1943 Gato-Class, or a modern nuclear-powered Virgina-class
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USS Maryland whan
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>>41837680
do they look like meidos?
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>>41837663
pls go and stay go
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>>41837735
Why is Crusader girl so adorable?
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>>41837726
You're assuming your player base is smart.
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>>41837717
She's totally a heterosexual male trapped in a woman's body.

Ah, who the hell am I kidding? She's just Kitakami-sexual
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>>41837735
>>41837736
>Literally 1 second apart
Marylandmind
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>>41837726
you created this hell for yourself deme
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>>41837736
no.
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>>41837761
I'm just good at making excuses is all

but enough I need to keep writing
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>>41837539
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>>41837726
And yet...
>>41837203
>>41837204
>>41837306
>>41837326
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>>41837726
SWQ is your player base. Remember all the smart decisions in that quest?

Right. Me neither.
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>>41837749
I didn't even look at the depths, I just assumed that he was talking about positions relative to our carriers because that's the most obvious thing.
Especially since the abyssals seem content to be in ship mode and not girl mode at present.
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>>41837557

Ram a MK 48 up an abyssal stern via gaining a acoustic target solution?
>>41837577
That's not a skirt anon, theres not even pants.
>>41837726
But I DOOOO. SH4 is god tier scrub sub commander sim!
>>41837579
>Wee Vee? This Wee Vee?
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Is Maryland really that religious a state?
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Okay, time for a crash course in submarine warfare. I'll be releasing segments as I finish them

Part 1) Sensors
Sonar is your life. You can listen passively to the sounds everything else is making. This is your Passive Sonar. You should be relying on this always. SSNs should be much quieter than anything that we'll come across, and they should be easy to detect. The only problem with the passive sensors is that it takes a bit of triangulation to get a good firing solution. This takes time, but it is by far the preferred way to do things.

The next thing we have is our Active Sonar. As it sounds like, we are actively doing something to listen to. This is the PINGing that you hear about in movies. Never use this unless you absolutely have to, as it lights you up as well. And by "absolutely have to", I mean you have no other choice.

Now, there are inbuilt sonars on the submarine, but by far the most sensitive tool that we have is called a towed array. As it sounds, it's a sonar array that you tow behind you. You can retract it towards you. Going too slow obviously makes it fall, and turning can cause it to not work very well. You don't want to drag it on the bottom, so watch out.

Another thing that could blind us is speed. You can't hear much of anything if all you hear is the water rushing around you. As such, we'll likely be creeping along at speeds of 8 knots or below. This is so that we can still hear, and we don't make noise.

If an object accelerates too fast in the water, it moves the water out of the way and leaves a little air bubble behind, which water then rushes to fill. This is cavitation, and it's noisy as fuck. Try to avoid it.
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So, lets talk heavy cruisers

Specifically, CA-25 "Salt Lake City"

also known as;

'Ol Swayback

and Swayback Maru

mostly because Salt Lake City has a massive LGBT movement, which means she would be canon lesbo, who always gets asked if shes a Mormon
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>>41837526

Looking at the Google Earth view of Tinian, all the runways are still there, though only one has been maintained (the furthest one in the pic) and the rest are pretty much useless. Then again, shipgirls and abyssals are magic - awakening might restore the island to its WW2 state. That'd be...bad.

>>41837588

SSNs are plain dangerous to everything - each torpedo is about as powerful as a WW2 torp, but with modern guidance it will hit exactly where it needs to for maximum damage so you'll only need one per target; and the big nuke boats carry a lot more of them than the old WW2 ones did.
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>>41837663
You have to be a retard to not be able to figure those options out if you actually read the last few threads.

1) its underwater so its submarines, its not with the carriers so it has to be Harder and the subsluts.
2) its underwater so subs, and its under our friendly carriers which means its the SSNs on ASW duty.
3) The enemy is south of our carriers not north, and its really high up so planes, ie its the F-22 and other conventional fighters.
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>>41837809
We all know the USS Indianapolis is the best CA. I'll perform the summoning ritual IRL myself if I have to.
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>>41837763
Wait, you don't even know do you.


Go back to buying Hornet more yellow-black striped underwear.
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>>41837726
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>>41837717
>Being Crix
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>>41837806
Since they were on escort duty with the carriers they probably would have been taking turns sprinting and drifting, yeah?
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Look, now we have New Mexicos!
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>>41837806
QUESTION

So if we deliberately make noise, we both blind ourselves and reveal our own location

But what if we had a way to make noise somewhere other than where we are currently? does such a cool decoy toy exists for subs, or just in sci fi?
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>>41837870

Anything you can tow would be somewhat close, and the line would make noise in water too.

I think they have decoys that can be fire from torpedo tubes that can do the same thing, follow a plotted coarse.
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>>41837866
Has he/she done North Carolina or Washington yet?
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>>41837827
The last capital ship lost in the war, barely three weeks before the ceasefire?

Her crew abandoned for days after the sinking thanks to multiple USN fuckups, during which time most of the survivors from the sinking were eaten by sharks?

Her captain given a kangaroo court-martial to hide the disgraceful incompetence of others, ruining his career and driving him to suicide?

Not only is she guaranteed to be an Abyssal, she's one of the only Abyssals that has a damn good reason to hate us.
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>>41837870
I believe acoustic decoys do exist, but those are towed behind ships to throw off torpedoes.
A passive sonar reciever would probably pick up the pings from an active sonar buoy (which are generally dropped from helicopters doing ASW work), but it would probably be identified as a buoy and not a sub pretty easily.
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>>41837866
Second New Mexico is sex itself. Who is she?
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>>41837828
...

(28) Cpl. Hate's FORCEPRO duties do not extend to underwear.
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>>41837870
>>41837898
>>41837916
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxer
old
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SLQ-25_Nixie
new
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Part 2) Movement
If you move too fast in the water, you make noise. As discussed earlier, going too fast both blinds you and makes you easier to detect. Thus, if you're trying to get somewhere in a hurry, you use what are called "Sprint and Drift" tactics. As it sounds, you first do a short sprint, and then you slow back down and listen for a while, before beginning your next sprint.

Another aspect I'll cover hear is the Thermocline, or layer. The thermocline is basically a wall between hot water closer to the surface and the cold lower water. It is difficult to detect targets on the other side of the thermocline, although nifty tactics are possible with keeping in or above the thermocline and having the sonar be dragged beneath it. Sprint and drift tactics when facing surface ships often are combined with changing which side of the layer. You do your sprints under it, and listen above it. It can work in sub on sub warfare as well.

Also a note, SSNs are fast as fuck if they need to be. We could quite possibly outrun a torpedo if it's locked on to us. If not outrun it, then keep ahead of it for long enough to outlast its limited fuel supply.
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>>41837918
We don't know who is who yet

>>41837913
alot of people have been pushing for it, so probably in volume three

in the meantime, we get FAT STACK and friends
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>>41837818
>Implying I remember tiny details that happened weeks ago
>Implying you knew which of the two faction's carriers he was talking about

I don't have a photographic memory, anon. I barely remember what I ate for breakfast this morning, much less the exact words of what I read 3 weeks ago, letter for letter.
Similarly, Harder is under the enemy carriers. I originally assumed that "under the CV's feet" meant the one UNDER SOME FUCKING CARRIERS.
The planes one was fucking obvious, there's nothing else that could have been.
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>>41837870
Noisemakers exist mainly to decoy torpedoes. They don't go very far, so they'll know roughly where we are. Not a good idea. Now, if we were working in concert with another sub, it's a possibility. I would prefer that both of us not be heard at all. To be silent is to be untouchable.
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>>41837957
He might not have, but I did. I deliberately voted for the SSNs.
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The one thing that can summon more shipgirls is the need for more shipgirls!
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>>41837941
As a side note, the thermocline/layer makes it hard to detect targets because sound passes through water differently depending on temperature.
Imagine looking through a pane of frosted glass. You can see what's on your side pretty well, but anything inside the glass or on the other side is all blurry
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>>41837866
I want to hold hands with the left New Mexico.
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http://www.greatwhitefleet.info/Yokohama_Page.html

Check out these pictures
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>>41837941
>We could quite possibly outrun a torpedo if it's locked on to us.
>We
Active duty, or recently discharged/retired?
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>>41837957
You were assuming harder and co under the enemy carriers, not the SSNs under OUR carriers.
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this poster is fucking amazing
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>>41838029
We as in the players. Jesus. Is the player base becoming more and more retarded each thread?
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>>41838040
exactly what I said. PF never said which CVs the subs were under, that simple distinction probably would have made the choice easier for the whole thread.
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The moral of the story is that if you are confused, just vote with your words and make planefag sort it out
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Big Spud on the front page!
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>>41838063
Yes.
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>>41838063
"We" aren't in an SSN, and the anon who may or may not be you that is so helpfully describing sub tactics and warfare for us seems to know his shit, well enough to have served on one. Assuming he meant him and his crew when he said "we"/"us" was a perfectly logical train of thought.
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Have no fear for Blonde Zuchini is here!
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>>41838086
autosaging
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>>41838086
Nice try, but we're in autosage on page 8.
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So the surface group seems to be mostly vintage stuff.
Good for our planes, since it means basically no AA.
Bad for our carriers, because that means their entire being is focused around ship-to-ship combat
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>>41837831
deme's new figure.jpg

>>41837839
>not being crix
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>>41838108
If you look at that anons first post you would see that he assumed the SSNs had won.
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>>41837941
Good news is, if enemy subs are ww2 era or earlier, there is almost nil possibility they will be equipped to fight other subs, or even pose a serious threat to our own submarines. The only time a sub sank another sub IN ALL OF HISTORY was with the Venturer versus U-864 duel, and almost all of it was based on luck and hours of one boat stalking another:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_of_9_February_1945
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>>41838117
>eye-talians

Let's not.
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>>41838117
>blonde
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>>41838117
great more forts to destroy
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>>41838126
The fuck is a monitor gonna do in deepwater conflicts?
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>>41837933
(29)The "PT corgis ate the paperwork" is not an acceptable excuse for not filing them on time.
(30)The PT corgis should not be used to case off local civilian criminals from off the base. That is Naka's job.
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>>41837275
>A less funny version of "Things Mr. Welch Is No Longer Allowed to Do in an RPG"
>Some dumbass, suprisingly NOT fluff, made a tvtropes pages for KCQ

I'm making bridges and jumping to conclusions but good work there champ.
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>>41838117
>>41838157

>Blonde
>what are you smoking anon.
>Meant brown

Sorry brain fart
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>>41838149
well, I should clarify,

the only time a sub sank another sub WHILE BOTH WERE UNDERWATER AND AWARE OF EACH OTHER
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>>41838166
(30) The corgi designated 109 is not an acceptable alternative to the current presidential candidates.
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Its canon that all of the US girls know how to play football.
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>>41838136
That's fair, didn't pay too much attention to that as part of the overall description of sub tactics, didn't care to see where it fit in. So I see now how it's easier to realize which "we" he was referring to.

God, anon is fucking venomous tonight.
I know anon's venomous every night, but people are being called out on some legitimate fucking questions
Try answering the questions before pissing down throats.
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>>41838198
(30b) Even if 109 has a higher IQ than some of the candidates.
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BONG
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>>41838217
Questions that are answered by reading the text oneself is referring to do not deserve niceness.

It's not even comprehension or interpreting of human interaction. Just cold, hard facts. Even an autist should get those right.
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>>41838024
Wow, that's really cool! Thanks for the link.
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>>41838198
>>41838226
I giggled m8
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when
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>>41838198
And I can't count.
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>>41838117
Oh please no
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>>41838256
You rang?
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>>41838302
we'll destroy her pillow fort too, just wait.
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>>41837933

Actually, they fucking do.

>>41837828

She's been stealing my spare ranger panties. Fucking... fuck.
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>>41838318
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
>Unenthusiastic glass-tipping in the distance
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Part 3) Armament
I don't know exactly what ship we're using but I'm going to assume they're Virginias.

The Virginia-Class Nuclear Submarine is armed with four torpedo tubes, which can be loaded with a variety of useful things, but the only one of any importance currently is our God and Saviour, the Mk 48 ADvanced CAPability torpedo. Seriously, this thing is amazing. It is a wire guided, meaning it drags a wire behind when launched, connecting it to the ship. So long as it is attached, we can give this thing course corrections as we see them. The Mk 48 ADCAP is equipped with a sonar system of its own, which has both passive and active modes. These are pretty good, and in a pinch you can actually use a Mk 48 ADCAP as an offboard sensor, transmitting the information gleaned back to the submarine. The Mk 48 ADCAP is a fast bugger, and can be run at different speeds, with higher speeds consuming fuel faster. It can probably get up to, if not over, 50 knots. I don't have range figures based on how fast it goes, but assume a range of around 25 nm. Note that this is not the range we should shoot at, as that means the other guy can turn around and outrange your torpedo.

The Mk 48 ADCAP has a huge warhead, more than enough to kill anything afloat, or submerged for that matter. Here's a video of one exploding beneath the keel of a target vessel from a few years back.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=428_1216908004

Now what else can a Virginia-Class sub do? It can launch Harpoon missiles from the torpedo tubes, it's supposed to be able to lay mines through them(funnily enough the mines are really encapsulated torpedoes), and it also has 12 VLS cells.

It has room for 27 torpedoes or Harpoons or those CAPTOR mines, and a few more secret squirrel things.

>>41838149
I'm well aware. I'm not sure how much the leveling effect is coming in to play, so prepare for the worst.
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>>41838331
I've got aircrafts for that.

>>41838338
Cpl... The Unbound would not normally ask this but...

Why do you have have "spare ranger panties" that you explicitly define as yours?
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>>41838331
Why the flying fuck was it in the middle of the runway

Fucking italians
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>>41838351
Can we save the ADCAPs for something bigger? I fear the subs are just the initial threat.

Sorry, having Full metal panic flashbacks here
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>>41838338
>She's been stealing my spare ranger panties. Fucking... fuck.

take her shopping already you idiot
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>>41838351
How do they fire the Harpoons from the torpedo tubes?
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>>41838373
You answered your own question.
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So any chance we will see the big Abyss bosses in this quest? I want to see NegaDucky shoot down an entire air group while taking a cruiser missile to the face and laugh at it.
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>>41838270
The SSN "we" fiasco could have still been settled by a "Nah, he's referring to the players because he thought SSNs won" instead of "Jesus. Is the playerbase gettin more retarded every thread?"

Frankly, I think that despite being on 4chan (and no, I'm not new, I know what the norms are here) , tg could afford to show a little more of the reason some were referred to as "white knights."

Least "we" still ain't /b/
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>>41838406
Not likely as that'd make them too likable for them to be enemies and not monsterous enough.
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>>41838108
>well enough to have served on one
There's enough information out there for someone who wants to learn about them to do so to a surprising degree. Just look at Tom Clancy. People thought for sure he had been on subs or in the intelligence industry, but he was just a guy like me who had an interest in naval affairs.
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>>41838384
You misunderstand, the Mk 48s are its bread-and-butter torpedo.
Its bread and butter is just really good.
>>41838394
Sealed capsules that surface (vertically I think) before firing.
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>>41838394
Not that anon, but I remember tube-launched harpoons to be enclosed in a special casing and equipped with a secondary rocket for surfacing,
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>>41838407
where the fuck do you think you are.
Lurk moar faggot
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>>41838407
Or you can just fucking read all the text that's posted instead of skimming shit?
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>>41838338
FINE duly noted and amended

(28) CV-8 is to procure her own undergarments
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>>41838338
I'm not sure if this is canon anymore.
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>>41838437
>>41838435
I think it's the same solid rocket booster that the surface-launched harpoon variants have. Plane-dropped ones don't need the booster.
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>>41838407
>>/spacebattles/
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>>41838406
>implying deme knows what this is
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>>41838437
>Northampton trying to save Hornet

Also, I never noticed before that Hornet actually has quite the stack herself.

Not anywhere near FAT STACK levels (who else even comes close?), but still kinda fat.

We should ask Hornet about Lex when we get the chance.
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>>41838407
Yeah. Nah. Fuck off. Tumblr is where the white knights reside.
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>>41838466
Ah, you're right. Had to check it again.
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>>41838384
We have no other way of killing submarines. And we are carrying at least 20 of them. Assuming we fire two at a time, that's 8 threats, leaving full tubes for pop-up threats.
>>41838394
They launch them out the torpedo tubes in a sleeve, which brings them upwards, and they breach the water at an angle. The engine fires, the sleeve parts, and off it goes. They might have brought them out of service right now, I'm a little sick to remember for sure.
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>>41838338
why do you have spare ranger panties. do most of you dates just not have panties if so get better dates or are they for your personal use
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>>41838477
I was waiting for this.

>>41838487
Tumblr is where the Social Justice Warriors reside. You know, the ones who unwittingly recite Mein Kampf against their preferred oppressor.
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>>41838486
Oh, right.

Threadly reminder that Lexington is stacked
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>>41838340
That's the New Orleans. It goes to show the difference between Jap damage control and American.
>Lose quarter of ship
>get fitted with a slab of steel in place of it.
>Drive backwards across the entire Pacific Ocean to get it repaired.
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>>41838517
Same difference. Both are bigots.
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>>41838340
The New Orleans could take a hit like no other
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>>41838452
Try my best, memory a shit, eyes omit important shit to read faster sometimes. It's hard to remember something without going over it 3-5 times, and I'm not gonna do that for every post in this thread.

>>41838429
This is good, thank you for the info. God, that would have saved a lot of time and a shit ton of rampant douchebaggery (unfortunately not surprising douchebaggery) had this been posted sooner.
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>>41838517
Both are worthless trash.
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>>41838510
>do most of you dates just not have panties

Hornets an Indian. You really think she was wearing anything underneath that loincloth-thing?
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>>41838537
>>41838528
I keep hearing that as NAWLINNSS
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>>41838371

I took one for the team. I googled "Ranger Panties"

Their black shorts. That's it.

Black.

Shorts.

Go ahead, google it. Its SFW.
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>>41838528
Let's give credit where credit is due, Suzutsuki also escaped from Ten-Go with her bow blown off by reversing as well.
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>>41838537
heck, so could the baltimores

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pittsburgh_(CA-72)
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>>41838338
>She's been stealing my spare ranger panties
pic related.
>>41838226
(32)The use of Destroyer class hulls as bait to summon the Nagato hull is not allowed. neither is allows to call the Nagato as 'Nagmon'
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>>41838576
Ranger panties? Nothing.

I thought Hate prefered Silky Sexies.
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>>41838549
> It's hard to remember something without going over it 3-5 times
sounds like personal problems that should be fixed before posting here again
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“Bat One-One calling Goalie – buddy spike,” you say with annoyance.

“Solid copy,” comes the slightly raspy voice of the Navy geek. “Just had to verify. What's your ETA?”

“Ten minutes, give or take.”

“Step on it, Bat – we've got a gaggle inbound.”

You resist the urge to bite through your oxygen mask. “The hell you mean a *gaggle?*” The Arleigh-Burke he's sitting in has enough radar wattage to fry a flock of birds out of the air if it wants to – at closer ranges, not even abyssal fuckery can fool it.

“I mean there's too many of them to discriminate,” the operator tells you curtly. “*Over.*”

“Well, fuck,” you say in the privacy of your own cockpit, then key your mic. “Bat flight – military power and loosen up.”
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>>41838626
How did she get back?
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>>41838576
So they are. Thank you for your sacrifice.

>>41838535
>>41838555
I never said they were not. But it befits one to be precise when expressing himself.

I do loath such beings. Self-righteousness benefits no one.
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>>41838639
see >>41838587
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>>41838631
Oh gee, we aviator naw
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>>41838510
Hate is like Kharn from MGNQ. He saves the underwear of those he has conquered as trophies.
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>>41838575
That's because you're hearing it right. You should also be smelling gumbo and beignets, too.
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>>41838639
by not having shit DC
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>>41838621
It is a personal problem, but it's not uncommon. not everyone gets everything in 3 seconds first run through.
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Your ship leaps under your hand as you give her the gas, accelerating out of the cruise band and up to combat speeds. The seven other F-18 Hornets of Bat Flight drift into a looser formation; paring off into elements as they prepare for imminent combat. You flick your eyes towards the fuel gauge and squeeze your throttle lever nervously – even with tanker support and every trick in the book, your Hornets are really pushing their range to reach the Bonin islands with anything like decent combat time. You're coming in about as slick as you possibly can – six Sidewinders and the gun, with the three drop tanks left in the Pacific a few miles back. The Super Hornet might have better legs, but if you have to mix it up in a knife-fight, there's nothing better than the original article. And against abyssals, there's one simple rule for ensuring a kill: “Yes – closer still!”

Your first inkling of the battle ahead is the cloud of smoke over the horizon; the work of many heavy anti-aircraft guns thundering away into the blue. As you draw closer your radar begins to pick up intermittent contacts that hop and dance on the scope before vanishing. Switching to single-target-track manages to hold them for a little longer. Abruptly one of the tracks firms up solidly. Four seconds later it vanishes. The Burke's are going to work.
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>>41838631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQ3eBerHfM
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>>41838655
>implying this is a problem
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“Bat flight incoming from the North!” you broadcast, not eager to see what an “NBE's” cute little outfit guns can do to your Hornet – a few of the chairforce planes at Yokota had holes in them from “friendly” fire during the raid on Yokosuka that looked alarmingly large. “Try not to shoot us, huh?”

“Bat flight!” an unfamiliar female voice replies. “I have intruders in the weeds inbound at bearing zero-fo-war-two, range three miles! Intercept them!”

“Number?” you ask, but receive no reply – the mysterious air controller is already issuing new orders to another flight of CAP birds.

>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41838677
>>41838631
Oh boy oh boy oh boy
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You fuckers want wide sluts!?

I'LL GIVE YOU WIDE SLUTS, 114 FEET AT THE BEAM NIGGAS, SO WIDE SHE CAN'T FIT THROUGH THE LOCKS OF THE MOTHERFUCKING PANAMA CANAL, 6 FEET WIDER THAN MOTHERFUCKING IOWA HERSELF.
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>>41838664
So Creole
Much Swamps
wow

>>41838700
I didn't. I welcome it.
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>>41838714
[x] BOUNCE OUT OF THE SUN
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>>41838714
>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
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>>41838714
>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41838714
>>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41838714
>>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
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>>41838714
>>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
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>>41838338

You know damn well that them shits are like catnip for whores. And that once they're gone, they're gone for good.

For shame, corporal. You oughtta know better than to let a ho into your closet.
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>>41838714
>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
Break their formation so that they cannot sink our ships.

But everyone's gonna go for the bounce because of memories of SWQ so this vote is meaningless.
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>>41838714
>>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
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>>41838714
>>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
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>>41838714
>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
CRAZY FUCKING IVAN

LIKE A BAT OUT OF VALHALLA BABY
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>>41838714
>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
WE MUST BOUNCE!
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>>41838714
>>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41838731
Didn't Panama get wider recently? Or maybe they are still working on it.
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>>41837914
It's highly likely, and she would even have her crew with her.
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>>41838714
>>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.

Taking the option that isn't SWQ reader bait.
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>>41838714
>>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41838714
>>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
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>>41838714
>>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
BOUNCE FOR THE BOUNCE GODS
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>>41838714
>Hit the deck and take them head-on -- the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41838731
I know nothing about ships. What is the consequence of a ship being wide? Does it slow it down?
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>>41838785
>>41838771
Alright i'll bait, how did they fuck up there?
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>>41838714
>hit the deck and break up formation.
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>>41838714
>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41838714
>>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
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>>41838714
>>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
return of the bounce
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>>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41838768

You figured out how to internet?

brb killing myself
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>>41838714
>bounce option and deck option

This isn't strikers '89, pf, try to give us a choice!

>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
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>>41838714
>>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
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>>41838714
>>Hit the deck and take them head-on -- the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.

One knows enough to choose well, despite nostalgia.
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>>41838714
>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.

BOUNCY BOUNCY
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>>41838714
>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.

Bounce them like a super ball as is the right and proper order of things.
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>>41838714
>>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
You take apart their formation and they are helpless. We already have the energy advantage in spades, so we'll keep their engagement opportunities minimal even without the bounce.
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>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41838714
>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.

We can pick off the planes later, best to try and keep the surface units as intact as possible.
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>>41838714
>>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
Must vote for Bounce because nostalgia
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>>41838809
REMOVE TAOIST
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>>41838714
>take them head-on.
Works in IL-2.
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>>41838575 She fits her name, Considering part of her sank while the other part didn't..
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>>41838799
Wide ships are generally slower but more maneuverable than proportionally longer and thinner ships.

For example, every single standard type ship could execute a 180 within 600 meters, the Iowa needed nearly a kilometer to do the same.
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>>41838714
>>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
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>>41838714
>>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
No seriously what the fuck happened in SWQ
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>>41838768

WHAT FUCKING CLOSET. all I fucking got is them two lockers and my motherfucking sea chest.
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>>41838804
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>>41838714
>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
Given the difficulty to target Abyssals with radar except at extreme close range or with a ship's powerful radar on full power, I think it better to take the bombers head-on.
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>>41838856
GET OUT YOUKAI FUCKER BUDDHISTS
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GUYS, LISTEN. TORPEDO BOMBERS HAVE FUCKING REAR GUNS. THEY'LL TEAR YOU APART IF YOU BOUNCE FROM THE REAR. WE HAVE THE ENERGY TO DO IT FROM THE DECK. IF WE DO IT THAT WAY THEY CAN'T CONCENTRATE THEIR FIREPOWER, AND WE CAN TEAR THEM APART.
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>>41838859

And I bet morons in netplay bitch about it every time don't they
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>>41838714
>>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41838804
Dunno really but I don't trust the fact it has Bounce in it when it's clear this is not like SWQ where the only rules are rule of cool and rule of funny.

in short we have to trust in planefag.

That and the other choice seemed like sound tactics instead of shounenish bravado.
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>>41838714
>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.

This works in WoWS disturbingly well, at least.
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>>41838893
Always.
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>>41838877
In SWQ we were fighting aircraft that had a massive thrust advantage over ours, letting them recover energy better than we could. This meant that the optimal tactic was to engage from above, gaining energy from gravity and using the built up speed to de-ass and set up for another run- the bounce.

Here we are facing almost literally the exact opposite situation.
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>>41838714
>>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
Be a srs pilot instead of brain dead
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>>41838886
>Implying Taoist Fire can melt steel beams
Besides, you only have a boat
WE GOT THE PALANQUIN SHIP BITCH
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>>41838714
>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41833858
>“Helldivers,” Shoukaku whispers.
What?
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>>41838877
See >>41838879

Someone explain it to these poor suckers.
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>>41838714
>Wildly fire handgun into the air while screaming
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>>41838714
>>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41838714
>>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41838933
Maybe some of the abyssals are Helldivers, I dunno.
... WAIT
WAIT
OH SHIT
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>>41838804
Because if we bounce the enemy formation then there is a lower chance that we will break their formation. And as a result there is a higher chance that some of them will stay on course and get into torpedo range.

As for why everyone is choosing to bounce, it's because it's the result that was always chosen back in the days of SWQ because the aircraft that we used back then was a Widow, not a maneuverable fighter (which is what we are using now, in this section of the thread). Thus bouncing the enemy produced the best results when using that aircraft. The tradition of bouncing the enemy has transferred to SWQ related quests such as SW:89.
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>>41838933
The name of a plane.

Shokaku got hit by SBDs.
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>>41838714
Fuck yeah, I'm finally on time for a thread.

In any case,
>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41838927
At least we don't consort with the youkai, Buddhist race traitor
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>>41838825

I mean, they handed me a phone and said "Here, go dick around", cause everything was unfucked for a few hours. I'm sure that'll change soon.

>>41838878

Who cares WHAT closet. Just go find one and hide your shit. God damn. That took some serious mental gymnastics.
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>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
Remember those Hurricat fighters they used to use on atlantic convoys? The presence of a single fighter was enough to make whole waves of attacking torpedo planes nope the fuck out of there and drop their torpedoes early. A torpedo drop becomes dramatically less effective when the planes in formation can't get a good parallel drop off.
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>>41838976
Thanks.
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>>41838933
Shoukaku was severely damaged by dive bombers and under repair for months.
Three separate times.
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>>41838714
>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41838976
SBD's aren't Helldivers though...
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>>41838933

The Japanese referred to them as Helldivers, kind of like they referred to PT boats as "Devil Boats." They weren't using an American name, it has nothing to do with the Curtis Helldiver.
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>>41838976
>SBDs
>Helldivers

Anon, you must be joking.
Helldiver is successor to the SBD Dauntless, they aren't the same thing. Probably still the reason she got tense, though.
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>>41838804
First off, armament; we have heat seekers, and a backup gun.

Heat seekers don't need the advantage of a dive; in fact, an attack from above that sees the missile overshoot could have the missile slam into the seas at low altitudes before the guidance system reverses it and re-acquires a target.

A bounce can help our guns, but they should be only used once we're out of missiles.

Finally, we need to consider how much fuel we're using. A bounce will likely result in several high-speed manoeuvres and reverses in order to continue the engagement and stay on our targets' six, which will eat into our fuel. A same-altitude engagement, on the other hand, will allow us to do slow turns that preserve both our overall top speed and our fuel, and allow us to loiter.

Mind you, this is all on the assumption that the enemy is actually torp bombers only. If there are escorts, or it turns into a dogfight, then all bets are off.
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>>41838976
Shoukaku wasn't at Midway. Shoukaku was sunk by the submarine USS Cavella.
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>>41839008
Nor was she hit by them. I think.
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>>41838995
>I'm sure that'll change soon.

i hope they reinstate the draft

so much

I'll promote you first fucking thing I do, I swear to god
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>>41838714
>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.

People say the first option reminds them of SWQ. SWQMC is an idiot.
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>>41839035
Shokaku was hit multiple times by SBDs. Coral Sea and somewhere over by the Solomons.
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>>41838993
>Not wanting understanding
When the Lunarians come and invite, don't come running to us, mmkay
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>>41839035
She wasn't at Midway BECAUSE she got hit by dive bombers beforehand.
And after. And after that.
And then yes, a torpedo from a sub broke her.
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>>41839009
Does that make the Corgis literal Devil Dogs?
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Fuck me I'm actually caught up for once but now that I am I have to go and write shit.
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>>41838892
I like this anon.

>>41838714
>>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41839099
TONKS
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>>41839099
I know that feel, Garshne.
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>>41838995

Yo fuck you.

Hey you think you can weld some shit for me? I need... uh. You know what, lemme come down to the shop and explain this, I don't want this fucking shit in the open.
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>>41839098
*happy barking*
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>>41839098
>the Corgis literal Devil Dogs
HATE!
The corgis are now all marines!
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VOTES CALLED, NEW THREAD GOING UP SOON
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>>41839029
Too many reasons that Charging is a good thing, and to that end, changing vote here >>41838826
to
>Hit the deck and take them head-on -- the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.

But on that note: while it would make the missiles useless, wouldn't bouncing allow us to lower our throttle and use gravity for the maneuver speed we need, saving fuel? That's literally the point of attacking from high IIRC.
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>>41838714
>Go for a High-Low bounce out of the sun – the only good abyssal is a dead abyssal.
TIME TO BOUNCE THESE FUCKERS.
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>>41839124
>Jack and Ensign still waving as a nuclear target

so close and yet so far, artist.
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>>41839114
MAYBE SOON BUT I GOT STRAYAN SHIPS TO WRITE ABOUT
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>>41838996
That effective?

Now I can see why escort carriers are so useful.
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>>41839145
Neat.

>>41839133
Good boy.

>>41839141
I'm honestly surprised no one thought of it earlier.
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>>41839070

Can't help it, was in mindset of one of these.
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>>41839141
But are they all riflemen?
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>>41839049

Do you really want Hate and I collaborating on things under your command? I may just be a metalworker, but even I know fire and...fire should be kept away from each other.

>>41839130

Bitch you know damn well i will weld anything for the right price.
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>>41839176
All their guns have rifling, does that count?
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>>41839164
>Strayan ships
If this does not include Emus I will riot.
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>>41839176

They're RIFLEDOGS.
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>>41839186
can you weld Hornet panties on so she stops losing them?
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>>41839218
>>41839202
... Touché.
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>>41839141
>leaving the literal devil dogs under the care of the Marine
I can't help but feel like fapangel thinks of all this shit far in advance and waits for us to notice, giggling to himself the whole time.

Or he just gets lucky with accidental puns
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>>41839172
I believe Goto actually beat y'all to it in the first thread, though my memory's hazy
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It'll be all your fault when Hornet eats a dozen torpedoes.

Enjoy your showboating while you can.
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>>41839203
What's a sarong with an adorable little ASW frigate?
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>>41839186

Fuckit i got a government charge card. We got this shit.
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>>41839258
Nevermind, it was Settle
>“Devil boats,” the Admiral observes, his face paler. He lifts the bottle of Scotch to his lips and takes another hit.
>“Devil Dogs, eh?” you say, nudging Corporal Hate.
>“I've been expecting that joke for three weeks and fuck you,” he says absently, his eyes still fixed on his lethal little horde, a wicked smile on his lips. The Corgis are dragging their swearing, flailing victim back to the dock, where you're waiting to meet him.
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Where is my Canadian geese corvettes or grain barge with ONE plane on it or THEY WOULD NOT BELIEVE EVEN IF YOU WERE TOLD?
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>>41839258
He did. Right as they collared Harder
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>>41839147
Yes, until you realize that diving also gives us A FUCKTON OF SPEED which an F-18 doesn't need when it's chasing a non-jet aircraft.

That speed means overshooting. Overshooting means either hitting the breaks early, or having to manoeuvre to reacquire the targets. Either way, whatever fuel you might have saved with a dive is now burned again, and then some, in getting you back into the fight.
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So did we fuck up with the bounce option?
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>>41839203
>The Abyssal Emu War
>Casualties: 1500 naval artillery rounds, Dignity
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>>41839301
I see, thanks for the clarification.
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>>41839303
Of course. Why else would planefag have included it?
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>>41839303
yes everyone panic
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>>41839305
This man gets it.
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>>41839203
>>41839305
Emus can't even swim!
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>>41839303
>>41839319
>>41839321
Actually, There stands a good chance that Deck run actually won the vote near the end.
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>>41839303
Shooting our sidearm wildly into the air would've been smarter.
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DON'T DIE HORNET
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>>41839303

Probably, I was all to late to realize that BnZ with jets against prop planes is a bad idea case and point.

Po-2 vs F-86 = F-86 pilot shot by tail gunner.
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>>41839299
>Habbakuk

We shall show them how to rule the waves.
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>>41839303
I think it lost, actually
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>>41839338
But Abyssals can't get them unless they come on land, where the Emus have the high ground, so to speak.
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>>41839342
Has anyone even bothered counting?
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>>41839303
I pray that enough people voted against it that we do the sane thing.

But hey, /tg/ does have it's dumb moments.
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>>41839338
>Implying emus give a hooded nickel about swimming
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>>41839348
So how do these sprays work? Is the battleship making these to throw the planes off? Or are the bombs missing?
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So what have we learned, besides that calmer heads will samefag to win the vote?
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>>41839338
And?
Give them those little footie-screws that the girls have and its all good
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>>41839366
Fapangel has to have at least tried. Then again, we have no proof he actually counts votes at all, as long as one looks like it will win.

>>41839354
You've been playing too much War Thunder. Though admittedly, it is fun to bring a full lineup of russian biplanes into a t5 Jet match and get multiple bearcat and B-57 kills.
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>>41839398
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>>41839380
The bombs and bullets missed.
Also, that's not a battleship, that's a carrier.
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>Eject from the cockpit and crash your plane into the torpedo bombers
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>>41839398
Anon, people will samefag everytime there's a contested vote. Happens in every quest.
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>>41839403
> water skiing emu
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>>41839423
WITNESS ME
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>>41839411
>too much War Thunder
HAHA this anon gets it!
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>>41839423
>>41839435
www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9G-zfvlOQk

>>41839433
Exactly.
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>>41838714
>>Hit the deck and take them head-on – the best defense against torpedo bombers is to blow apart their formation.
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>>41839435

That reminds me, I promised Sammy B we could watch that when she gets back. Ougghta be good. I need to go get a TV though.
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>>41839398
114 individual posters, entirely possible Samefagging was minimal. This is given that such would require that 15% or more of the posts were used on that one vote.
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>>41839411
But didn't a PO-2 actually killed a Jet in the Korean war?
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>>41839457
If Sammy starts sprouting V8 V8 V8 in the threads, we'll blame ya.
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>>41839234

I COULD. She probably wouldn't be too happy with me afterwards though.

Hahaha not like I care, what a slut.

>>41839294

Bring donuts.
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30 votes for head-on, 18 for the bounce before votes were called
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>>41839433
See, its a good plan. Sound and logical.
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>>41839457
Just write it off for "Improving the living arrangements of USN shipgirls". That should get you a blank check.
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>>41839368
>implying they have non-dumb moments
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>>41839457
Only works if you get all of the Kaiten and Ohka pilot fairies to watch along with you.
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>>41839483
Not exactly. A saber pilot stalled out and crashed trying to get a good shot on one though.
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>>41839507
>Hahaha not like I care, what a slut.


tell us all you know of Hornet

Hate always withholds info that hasn't even been deemed classified by BuShips.
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>>41839498

I'm hoping I can get her to start yelling WITNESS ME. Then I'll sic her on a battleship and see what happens. Should be fucking fun.
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>>41839445
Holy shit, first time I've been called out for something positive all night. Everything else is someone assuming I have no idea how the world/tg/the quest works.

>>41839483
Not sure, never heard that story.
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>>41839547
MEDIOCRE
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>>41839522
> teaching emus to water ski
> good plan
> sound and logical

You fool the ocean was the only thing that stopped them from taking over the world
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>>41839524
Or, just ask Naka. Remember the crate of shutter shades she got just to prove she could?
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>>41839457
I'm sure Naka's probably got a 60" plasma sitting around because she wanted to see if the navy would find one for her.
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>>41839572
No Sent.
The inevitable fight between Canada Geese and Emus cannot be stopped.
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>>41839170
Aerial torpedo drops are all about timing and spacing. You have to get the distance to the target correct, and your drop will be well within maximum torpedo range to account for ships that turn away from you. You then have to make a deflection shot based on the size of the ship and how fast you *think* it's moving. You also have to account for all sorts of minute details, any one of which could mess up the attack. Crosswinds push your plane off course and even push against the torpedo AFTER you drop it. You have to make sure your drop height is not too high, and your speed not too fast. You even have to worry about the angle at which the torpedo enters the water or it could do things like strike bottom, bash it's nose in and run in circles, or even bob up out of the water like a rubber dolphin and hit you.

Having to deal with flak and angry CAP fighters makes everything 10 times harder. It's the difference between throwing a handful of chopsticks at someone while being attacked by bees and hitting them in the face with a rake. It's all about consistency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8XYZoR9ABE
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>>41839530
Doesn't that count?
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>>41839579
>>41839583

Good fucking point. I'll get with her after this.
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>>41839519
>48 votes from 116 IPs
Yeah that sounds about right
>>41839583
That's literally canon
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>>41839446
What is this wankery?

It's almost as bad as Gate.

>>41839457
You don't simply watch Mad Max, you witness it.
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>>41839507
you might want to watch yourself after the mission.
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>>41839605
Speaking of fucking, you made Iku iku yet?
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>>41839619
Zipang came out more than a decade ago man.
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>>41839596
I saw a webm that I thought I had saved but didn't, of a torpedo bomber fucking up his drop
The torpedo dropped into the water, proceeded to breach like a goddamn porpoise, and tumble end over end before crashing into the sea
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>>41839433
We are all doomed.
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>>41839594
> war of two evils
> the geese and the emu
> the outcome dictates the fate of the world
> not even the abyssals can stop it now
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>>41839547
It's a good movie, but it's not a true Mad Max one. He just shows up in it, he's not the lead in it.
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>>41839594
>The honking. The honking.
brando.jpg
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>>41839646
It's the first I've seen of it.
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>>41839546

Trust me, you don't need me telling you those things.

>>41839625

Or what, she's gonna come after me? I'm so spooked.
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>>41839642
I fucking hope not. We better have a front row seat to first contact.
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>>41839617
Looks like fluff was busy resetting his router :^)
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>>41839680
Search it if you want to ave a giggle at a modern Atago-class destroyer taking on the WW2 USS Wasp and winning.

>>41839663
>>41839656
THEY COME
THE HERALDS OF DESTRUCTION
THE GOOSE-EMU ALLIANCE
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>>41839662
> not a true Mad Max film

Did you even watch the film
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>>41839688
No, Hate coming after you.
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>>41839552

Did I say something wrong? Was just trying to joke that I play to much War Thunder(REALLY DO). If I'm misinterpreting the message I can't tell....
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>>41839662
Have you never seen any of the Mad Max films?

He does that in every one but the first.
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>>41839662
>It's a good movie, but it's not a true Mad Max one. He just shows up in it, he's not the lead in it.

You have never watched a Mad Max movie in your life, have you.
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>>41839722
I think Fluff thinks Furiosa had more focus in the film.
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Speaking of Bounce. Doing a little look up, it seems that the closest squadron responsible for the strike eagles in LA would be a training Squadron.

Specifically the 422nd.

Originally the 422nd Night Fighter Squadron.
The first squadron to get P-61s
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>>41839754
Exactly. I am not full sold on the new actor too. But I know old Mel just can't handle reviving that role anymore.
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