One of my PC races is a race of giant spiders, but I need a bit of help fleshing out their history.>lawful good>scholars who treasure the arts>rich magical history>tomes are written as webs>wear chains webs woven with crystal and colored glass, which they use as whips>wear silky woven veils and shawlsBasically, I'm looking to develop things like tool usage, construction, and things like that for a non-humanoid race without resorting to "everything is webs" (there's a little of that, but I don't want to overuse it- only in bits where they might apply artistry.)
Do they make tapestrys?
>blatant sidf revisonismGet out
>>41537612If they are actual giant spiders and not anthropomorphic, your answer is large communal buildings, structures and tools based around beings of their body type [so wide hallways, beds on the floor or webs, no concept of stairs because wallclimbing], etc, shit like that.Since total realism is impossible, make some of it just humorous people versions of animal things. Like you enter spider town and BOOM.Trapdoor spider bursts out of the ground holding jewels and watches in each leg above ground."Hey two-legs, wanna buy a watch?"Also marriage and divorce law would be less ridiculous then IRLZing!
>>41537636The fuck is a sidf>>41537633Yes but they're also books
>>41537648>no concept of stairsOoh, that's cool. Whole temples built on the sides and ceiling of caves, labyrinths that spread out in three dimensions....>web bedsYeah I thought of that.As for construction, I think mud might be my best bet? I'm not sure of the feasibility of stone carving with no thumbs. Or hands.
>>41537691Nah don't go down that road. People make tools to make up for shit they don't have, so just assume these beings do likewise. Don't assume that lack of hands is an obstacle, they can invent technology just as easily as we can. Especially if they've got like two specialized multijoint 'fingers' at the ends of their front legs for fine manipulation.Their dwellings would primarily be based on the environment in which they live, and supplemented with web. Instead of "Everything is made OF web" think "Everything is made WITH web"Large communal log cabins held together with web, massive tents held down with web, dwarf-esq tunnel cities with web as structural support, and yes, massive stonebrick structures with web as the mortar.
>>41537612Can you marry the spiders
How advanced do you want them to be technologically?
Remember that even if you have wall-climbing, multiple stories are still useful for storing stuff, especially stuff that takes up as much space in a pre-digital age as literature. Big common areas like town halls and places of worship though? expect high roofs and as much if not more business and socialisation taking place on the walls as on the floor.
>>41537744I hadn't thought of tents; I like that a lot. Big gypsy tents in the woods crawling with spiders.>toolsHmmm... Perhaps some kind of greave-like "claws" that attach to their front pairs of legs, letting them dig into stone like four small pickaxes or spades?They also have the one of the primaru brewing/potionmaking arts in the setting, using in little webby packets full of stewed plant and animal matter in digestive fluid. They carry them like little canteens.
>>41537782It's a fantasy pseudo-mideval setting, so maybe up to metalworking. On the learning and mathematics side, they're more advanced, along the lines of China. Big focus on learning and the arts.>>41537749i cant say it has not happened
>>41537803You could even have sky bridges and multi-storied roadways stretching between buildings.
Mostly I like that they're Lawful Good. You should have no evil or wild giant spiders in the setting, just so there's no confusion and there's purely a reverse reaction.Like you're wandering through the woods late at night, you hear something in the trees, you look around with your lantern, you're freaking out, its big, it drops!"Whew. Its just an Arrachidian. Good evening!">"Good evening two-legs! Lost?""You could say that."
>>41537991Yeah, they're the only types of giant spiders. There might be regular-sized spiders too, but I haven't decided.There are, however, different subraces of spiders in different lands- big buff hairy ones in the south, lanky graceful writing spiders to the east, with the local variety being like wolf spiders.But yeah, as a whole they don't really make war with other races. You might get a bad egg here and there, but not man eaters. Maybe bullies and the power-hungry beurocrat or mage here and there.They're one of humanity's strongest allis in the setting.
>>41538064>Humans greatest ally is a race of giant spiders.Something something Israel joke.
>>41537854Thank you for the idea of spiders in plate mail. I'm gonna have some fun with this.
>>41537612So how do you compensate for the fact that if injured, spiders will leak fluid until death? No clotting. Probably works different for them? How? Probably magic lets them get that big without either collapsing under their own weight or not being able to breath.
>>41538116It also makes them immune to autism.
>>41538132I was just wondering how he got around problems with sizing up spiders. That's not autism.
>>41537653I think he was making an /int/ joke. I think they have jidf on there and he replaced the j with s for spider, implying that you're a spider trying to revise history.Which you are, eight legs scum
>>41537653Spider Internet Defence League.
>>41538116>healingClotting, and regrowing the damaged skin after a molt (which they do throughout their lives.) Or healing magic.>breathing/collapsing under weightThe same way all fantasy giant spiders do it. thermal expansionThey can also talk.
>>41538135Giant spiders have always been a staple in fantasy settings.I think the reason you got called out on autism is because trying to apply real world logic to a fantasy setting is pretty useless.You might as well have asked OP how there are elves in The Lord of the Rings if elves don't exist in real life.
>>41538206He's sorta got a point though- getting around the square cube law is basically a necessity nowadays, because a few realism-obsessed assholes bandy it about anytime a mech or giant creature is introduced in anything. It's basically the Anti-Fun Law.I should make a thread for cataloguing ways to get around it.
>>41538172>>41538190Spiders are friendly, cuddly, and loving.
Do you have giant assassin spiders? They're spider designed to eat other spiders
>>41538321>>41538332>>41538347>>41538352>those fangsJesus Christ.
>>41538321>designedfuck off, creationist
>>41538364>What is poetic language.>What is common languageI bet you piss yourself when an astronomer refers to the universe as 'creation' too don't you?
>>41538321>>41538332>>41538347>>41538352They look like ducks.
>>41538364Now this is autism. Euphoric Autism.
Are you familiar with the Giant Intelligent Friendly Talking Spiders from the Exile/Avernum series?
>>41538385This blue is FABULOUS
>>41538359They're that long so they can impale spiders and hold them away from their bodies>>41538364Designed by EVOLUTION!Nah, but really, fuck off >>41538371N-no...yes>>41538385That's one pretty spider
>>41538390Yep. I liked the idea of the GIFTS, but wanted something more serious. They're just kinda a secret gag in those games.
On the subject of non-hostile giant spiders there's always this.
>back when the world was young, Mother Spider's children on her back were frightened, cold, and hungry.>So Mother Spider used her silk to weave the sky, to catch the insects flying around her>she caught the stars, the moon, and a great big bug we call the sun
>>41538064>They're one of humanity's strongest allis in the setting.im sort of curious what your other races are
>>41537612>>Race>>AlignmentChoose one.Or better yet! House rule alignment out of your games. Forever.
>>41538563This.At least define it in characteristics, not just "It's LG"
>>41538563>not using alignments
Technically not a spider i know but half way i spose.I did love his characterization pre-world of warcraft though it was only touched on lightly.
>>41538385spider worthy of macragge
>>41538667IIRC Nerubians sometimes have eight limbs, it's just that for some castes they were bred and mutated to fusing the forward two into one so as to have superior grasping limbs or some bullshit.There are also Flying lesser-Nerubian spiders, so I don't know man.
>>41538716>That feel when you cant be a Nerubianwhy live?
>>41538739Eh, I can settle for not being bred, mutated, and altered over possibly millions of years to be extra-super weak to Old God mindfuckery while living in an environment where it's stupidly easy to come across said Old God Mindfuckery, usually from either direct flesh avatars of said Old Gods, or from the fossilized blood of a different Old God (Saronite)You gotta remember that the Nerubians were just the Mages / Scientists / Librarians of one massive True Race they composed alongside the Mantids and the Qiraj.
>>41538473Spiders, Humans/Skeletons, p'Orks, Sneks, the french, and mushrooms
>>41538886Throw in dinosaurs too
>>41538886>the french, and mushroomsAren't they the same thing?
>>41538979No, but they're equally evil
>>41537815>Web packetsPlease tell me that they're going to have a big thing for tea.>One day Spider Jerry caught a lizard with some leaves in his web>But Spider Jerry is a klutz, and accidentally dropped the web bag into a vat of boiling water!>Not being one to be wasteful, Spider Jerry drank the water anyway, because everything in there was edible and he was sure having boiling water would make it even more safe.>Spider Jerry then went about trying to devise a small container that he could carry around so he could always enjoy this miraculous brew all the time.
>>41539076>spider teaOh man that's genius. I was thinking canteens but that's better
>>41538429I'm terrified of spiders in real life, but adore them in any game I play that has them. So this is the best thing about spiders that I have ever read. Thank you.
>>41537612>>41537854>>41537815>>41538064I kinda want to see a write-up of your species' culture and physical traits somewhere, anon. This actually is pretty amazing.
>>41539492That is cute as fuck
>>41539492jesus christ how fluffy.
>>41537648Aren't most spiders territorial and cannibalistic?
>>41537870Large, high ceilinged building carved out of the stone. Walkways made of webbing that span the interior of the room. Walls are used for storage, webbing is used for moving about. The ground is the waste pit.
>>41539492>>41539516>>41539654Awww hell, that's the first boss in Vindictus.Yes. You have to kill the maddened poor thing. It's exactly as cute and fluffy as it is in the concept art as it is in the game. It's even a local guardian ffs. Fuck.
>>41537612don't they have free will? why are they all LG? Let it vary. LG helpful scholars. Teaching the "Young races" Some evil tricksters that hand out experimental spells to inexperienced wizards. To watch them getting sucked into the hell-rape realm. And some neutral ones that just want to study phoetry, magic or tapestry-art.
>>41538886>>41538979FRENCH FROG PEOPLETHEY TALK LIKE FROGS WITH FRENCH ACCENT
>>41539893I MEAN LIKE KERMIT. GOD I'M TIRED
>>41537612What's going to hinder me from tripping and falling into your tomes and by accident ruining all your litterature, history and civilization?
>>41539904Hi Tired, I'm dad.
>>41537744Dont forget about cool underwater tunnels made of webbed leaves
>>41539941I SHOULD GO TO SLEEP. GOOD NIGHT DADDY
>>41537612What's your spider race's version of dreamcatchers?
>>41537612Spider Mages. Experts in stealth, mind magic and sabotage. Don't look into their eyes.
>>41522153>>41537612Just gonna link this thread for more spider related fun. And some good inspiration for different types of spiders to live differently. Trapdoor spiders could be travelling merchants who use their underground tunnels to store and transport goods, water spiders that build elaborate leafy tunnels full of air so no one has to use a boat, things like that.
>>41538692*Ultramarines chant*I Arachnibald Webster or the Ultramarines have returned to purge this leaf litter of the vile heretics!
Arachnophones are considered racist.
>>41538429I kekked now and then
>>41538437Between this post and >>41538429 this post, I'm curious what your spider's cosmology is like OP.
This thread got my brain-juices working. Is there any way to make a spider race for Pathfinder? I kind of want to use them for my setting.
OP said they treasure the arts.Does music count as art?Because I can imagine an insane festival where the spiders go and spread a very fine steel cable-like thread all over some massive ceremonial towers. In creating this web, they stick seemingly random objects of various weights along different threads and strings. The spiders then go about making music via a manic rush over the webs as they simultaneously pluck their strings and adjust the location of their weights, essentially making a massive, multi-spider operated guitar.Add in things like wind chimes and whistles that go off when there's a strong wind, and you can make this ceremony some kind of coming of age ceremony that harkens back to those spiders that make little web parachutes and scatter them into the wind.Make pig references for Charlotte's Web
>>41537612WHY A RACE OF BIG STOOPID BUG FINGS!?Betta kwes-chun, why be a big stoopid bug fing when you can be wunnuvda boyz?Boyz:>Deyz green (da orkiest cullah eva)>Deyz got lotsa dakka>Deyz got lotsa choppaz>Da boyz can change der dakka for choppaz, or choppaz fer dakka, and still br orky>Dey've got da powah of Gork AN' Mork (not just one, see?)>Dey'ze not a BIG STOOPID BUG FING!Stoopid guz:>Deyz got too many legz>Deyz not green... not very orky>Even if dey wuz green, dey still not wunnuvda boyz>Deyz easy ta stomp>tee-ell-dee-arr: bugz is stoopid, boyz is betta
>>41540465As much as I love Orks, please don't shit up threads like this. You're not clever, you're not funny, you're just a fag.Now kindly fuck off back to one of the many 40K threads.
>>41540510Dun'wanna.Deal wiff it~
>>41537815Just web instead
>>41538232If anyone gets uppity just tell them that the god of math and physics is deadly afraid of the god of spiders.
>>41540461That sounds fucking awesome.Pasta isn't salad Captcha, despite the existence of pasta salad.
>>41540461Or make every young spider leave the nest to learn about the world and when they come back it's a welcome home and becoming an adult ceremony.
>>41540781What do these spiders eat?
>>41538411Not that secret. But yeah.I'd say if you like the idea but want more serious do Araeana or whatever (the EVIL ones) but make that one good/socialized with humans, or make all of them "not quite as evil" as those ones are. They do seemingly have little areas in their cave complexes with purposes and organization, it's not a stretch they might do things like you suggest. Nephil and Slith do and some of them are almost complete savages and probably not as smart as the average Araeana. I mean, a lot of Slith farm giant lizards and mushrooms, and live in mud huts. They have the traditional Slith Spear, but that's not necessarly complex. You could have a fork like spear of that nature made out of hardwood or bronze easily.
>>41537612So to summarise:Spiders live in tall cavernous structures with spindly walkways spanning the space.The Spiders have a tremendous love of tea, little sacks full of all sorts of delicious things soaked in hot water. Delightful.Spiders have a great cultural affinity for music.As a species that has always used the vibrations of their webs music was simply a way to spread this affinity through the air itself. Multi-story harps and the like are a common sight in the realm of the spiders.The spider's patron god is Achael, god of Wisdom, Forethought and Fate.Spiders have a great propensity for intellectual pursuits, such as math, geometry and the arts.
>>41541666>Spiders have a great propensity for intellectual pursuits, such as math, geometrypic relatedSpiders confirmed drug addicts.
>>41541794>>41541666 I suppose Spider Tea isn't real tea, since caffeine/theine make them "drunk"
>>41542679Well, OP did say here >>41537815 that they have the primary brewing and potionmaking arts. Wouldn't surprise me if they did make normal tea exactly for the reason of getting inebriated
>>41541666>>41542679That LSD one looks alright.Fungus that grows a similar substance, harvested by a spider-race that live in a suitable abode for it to grow in, and then placed into hot water.
>>41541666Don't forget the gypsy circuis tents, glass chains, foreleg-pickaxes, and multideminsional architecture.
>>41539917I'd imagine the spider libraries are guarded by librarians.
>>41539877Let's be fair. If OP made his spiders neutral, they'd end up getting played as evil 100% of the time
>>41544031I want spider paladins now. Entire legions of them.
>>41539492OP here. Mostly they're still in the development phase; I wanted to work put their culture, architecture, and tech level before I started building on them. I'm definitely using ideas from this thread like >>41539076 and >>41540461 though.Their religion and culture was mostly based on preserving history (perhaps relating to spiderwebs being fragile.) Their religion is mostly based around their creator god "writing" the world into existence, which ties into their love of the arts. Due to their belief that everything's already been written, they've a predilection towards predestination and the concept of fate- prophesy is a big deal in their religion, and Norn analogues are some of their primary gods.For physiology, they're mostly just spiders the size of a man or a little bigger. The Europe/Eastern Europe variety that exist in the primary setting are like wolf spiders, with a downy fur that varies in color - thanks to your pic I may have it able to grow out into long spider fluff on cute girls or sages.
>>41544248>carrying enchanted webs woven in their god's image in front of them like ogre spiders, using them as snares>holding the fire of their god inside them as venom, letting them disintegrate undeads with a bite
>>41537648A lot of people seem to think that giant insects could actually climb like small insects, but that is not the case at all.In truth they have extremely tiny claws/hairs (called tarsal claws or tarsi for plural) that grab onto the microbumps in surfaces that appear smooth - they are only capable of actually doing so because the insect (or animal like frogs / geckos) are so small and lightweight. In very rare cases some insects actually make use of adhesive pads but this is rarer.If you were to scale up insects to the size of giant spiders they in most cases (unless they were EXTREMELY lightweight) would not be able to climb like smaller insects do.They might be quite dextrous, they might be able to climb well on rough surfaces, but they would not be scuttling up massive inclines or scooting across ceilings.
>>41544643>>41544467All of my yes.
>>41544819A dog sized spider might be able to climb quite a bit. A car sized spider, depending on the size of its legs and the sheer number of tarsi might be able to climb a whole ton of things too... but i'd be inclined to say that truthfully, these spiders would end up losing a lot of their ability to climb crap.They might resort to tactics more like the ogre faced spider, which weaves a small net and holds it between their forelegs, wraps a prey creature in it quickly and then further secures it before administering a lethal bite.
>>41540461holy shit this is awesome
>>41541794Caffeine is essentially alcohol to spiders. As a FYI.
>>41544819>>41544886You fools have forgotten. Forgotten the fact of MAGIC
>>41545189>>41545220I'm not trying to be anti-fun and dictate whats possible in your roleplay by saying "NO THIS COULDN'T EVER BE A THING". I'm just saying that giant sized spiders probably aren't going to climb as well as people might think they could based off of common perceptions about spiders.Could they climb still? YesWould they be as good at climbing as smaller spiders? No.Applying a bit more critical thought can take you down a different avenue, like the one person that suggested that they might have 'hands' on some of their legs so as to allow for tool-making.
too much bickering about realism, not a lot of brainstormingdead thread
>>41545295>I'm just saying that giant sized spiders probably aren't going to climb as well as people might think they could based off of common perceptions about spiders.but OP said they do?
>>41545364Fuck op, He's a fag.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DggAXSv53Qc
>>41545328Realismfags are cancer
>>41545295What if it's a very tiny planet and the spiders are the ones who are normal sized?Checkmate athiest
>>41544407More on architecture: they would be more likely to use cranes and elevators than ramps and stairs. Also maybe zip- and swing-lines between elevated positions.Arts and leisure: Colors and shapes appear different through spider-eyes, make geometric shapes strange or unusually balanced, and depict the colors as drab or bright in places the opposite would be expected. Parachuting and hang-gliding make for fun and unique pastimes, especially in a medieval setting.Gear and technology: Even with a grasping claw, many tasks that we might do one-handed would probably occupy two or more appendages (by necessity or preference), and often would include the use of mandibles and/or spinnerets. A human attempting to use spidergear would find it awkward if not impossible. Religion: If you want to expand on this, a trickster Fly god and a vile Wasp god would fit well. Cricket music god sounds fun.
>>41544407>long spider fluff on cute girlsso you can have a fluffy spider waifu?
>>41539810Doesn't it go apeshit cause the girl dies or so.ething like that?
>>41545778>vile wasp godI'm imagining their devil being something like one of those fucked up looking wasps And yeah, I figured that they'd go in with three or four legs to manipulate things, or even hang from a surface and use all 8 legs and their mouth if necessary.
>>41545906Nah. Some sort of disease coming from the not!gnoll enemy empire. The girl actually lives throughout the game.
>>41544407I'll definitely look forward to a racial write-up.Speaking of which, what system are you using the spiders in, anyway?
>>41546303Gg you lost half the thread
>>41546391I should have said GURPS
>>41546506Nobody plays gurps
>>41546303It's cool.>>41546506>>41546618>pic related
>>41546303I'd play it
>>41546076>The girl actually lives throughout the gameShe doesn't. At the end of Season1 her body is taken over by Morrighan and as far as anyone can tell, Tieve only exists in so far as her body being Morrighan's host
So what are other spidery things?Apparently their cuisine is bug tea in stomach acid.I was thinking about the little digging claw attachments OP someone mentioned, and started thinking about bladed tubes their legs could fit inside.Of course, they don't have hands to work metal, so what if their metalwork had to be cast or bent over carved stone forms?I could see a deep hole being carved in a stone and metal drizzled into it to make twisty metalwork jewelry. Or like OP mentioned, armor could be bits of flat stones in web fabric. Imagine a spider in a white silk veil with lapis worked into it.
>>41548831How do they wield weapons?
>>41548831How about diving bell spiders? I know they were briefly touched on regarding the undersea tunnels mentioned earlier, but if I recall correctly an air bubble will last a spider a long time. So what about amphibious river spider villages? Or even marine spiders?
dear lord a spider pc race thread where have i been>wear raindrops for hats
>>41549077>be amazing dancers
>>41549077This anon made me think of something, at least regarding a technological standpoint. You could have an arid population of these spiders who use their webs as water farms to pull moisture out of the air and condense it into webbed cisterns.Need to rename this file jesus christ...
>>41548971How about like Pata, but as spears instead of swords. So they could jump at you and impale you.>>41548972I like the idea of spiders being able to capture air pockets to swim.>>41549105Somebody itt suggested giant multi-storied web harps and windchimes
>>41540204People who speak spiderese are racist??
>>41549660Excuse me, the proper term is Octolish. "Click" for illiterate rubes
>>41550930Looks good to me!
>>41539736Yeah in real life spiders avoid eachother or fight over the area, unless it's to mate
Spiders can sense movement in their webs, right?So, while it's useful for them to be able to talk to other races, it would be neat to have the communicate to each other by tapping their legs on the ground; they have eight legs, so their communication system would be very quick and complex, conveying great amounts of information in a short time.Also, if we put this together with the music thing said earlier in the thread, this would mean that their cities would be completely silent, with only faint echoes of music in the air.I'm also imagining cities high up between canyons, stretching from one side to the other and not touching the ground
>>41552818Ooh, I like the idea of an ever-present spider telephone system.
Imagine a human child being adopted by a Spidermom, clinging to her back with its adoptive bothers and sisters, growing up and getting teased by getting caught in webs, going to school and getting a crush on the pretty little spider next door...
>>41552444That's like saying that dogs can only live happy with ONE human at his sideLots of spiders live in colony, pic related.And is LOTS of them, not just this species.Hell, spiders in my ceiling even catch mosquitoes on the web of the spider next to him, AND LEAVE IT THERE. Like when your neighbor gets the package for you because you'r not home. I love spiders. Such bros. I also love dogs, don't take me serously if you see a dog without a human you be that human.
>>41553458>having to learn to climb webs to impress her
>>41553458>>41554301Cute>she catches him in her web>weaves him a cozy shirt out of her silk
Post more spiders.While The Hobbit has his flaws, you can't deny the spider's scene was awesome.That feeling of the small pinch of Bilbo spreading across all the webs, and hearing all talk like one at the same time AFTER Bilbo use the ring was great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAqxAEREl6U
>>41555395>anti spider propoganda
>>41555726>being a spider lover
>>41538563I don't let my players choose their alignments. I make them do stuff then i keep notes and adjust their alignments based on actions. It's rarely an issue but when someone rolls a paladin druid or monk it can come in handy to just remind them from time to time.
>>41539917Because spider silk is as strong as steel. At the same mass/ratios.But then again, silk at the same weight of steel can stop low grade bullets.
>>41558291True love is spider love
>>41558291Please do not sexualize spider
>>41553655I have to agree, spiders are real bros sometimes. My Grammastola Rosea, Penny, acts a lot like my cats. She's a major bitch sometimes but she acts adorable when she wants to and sometimes likes to sit and watch my monitor on my shoulder when I let her free roam for a little bit. (Also here is a picture of her.)
>tfw I'm stealing all these ideas cause they're really good
>>41558713>>41559039Joke's on both of you.It's an STD warning ad graphic.>>41559083Are tarantulas at all affectionate? I cannot imagine spiders being pretty much 'HOLD ME, STROKE ME' at all.
>>41537612I drew some spiderfolk heroes for the Leechfolk threads a while back. If this tread is still around I'll try and dump more.
>>41559393I would never reccommend trying to 'pet' a tarantula.Also, I think they might be somewhere deep down a LITTLE affectionate towards things, but the problem is they are as a creature very fragile and very aware of their surroundings and are almost always pissed off whenever anything touches them that isn't something they insist on crawling on.Also here have her fucked up fort she built when I first got her.
The issue, as with all giant creatures, is going to be what they eat. Food plays an important part to culture, and something that big needs a lot of food.
>>41549329>You could have an arid population of these spiders who use their webs as water farms to pull moisture out of the air and condense it into webbed cisterns.I think that /tg/ had brainstormed something about this already in a setting. I think they called it Skylands and it's on 1d4chan
>>41559462WHAT MOVIE IS THIS
>>41538321There's something classy about that guy. Like... as if he has a mustache and some pillbox hat. Feels like he'd be the subject of a Victorian portrait.
>>41559462That video actually caused me to jump a little.I suppose they may have to learn to domesticate Giant Insects. Or learn how to fish. Or fantasy birds.
>Quipus, sometimes known as khipus or talking knots,were recording devices historically used in the region of Andean South America. A quipu usually consisted of colored, spun, and plied thread or strings made from cotton or camelid fiber. For the Inca, the system aided in collecting data and keeping records, ranging from monitoring tax obligations, properly collecting census records, calendrical information, and military organization. The cords contained numeric and other values encoded by knots in a base ten positional system. A quipu could have only a few or up to 2,000 cords. The configuration of the quipus have also been "compared to string mops."Archaeological evidence has also shown a use of finely carved wood as a supplemental, and perhaps more sturdy, base on which the color-coordinated cords would be attachedGuys, I think I've figured out how they keep records
>>41537612give them GIANT ANTS to hunt/domesticate.
>>41559608>>41537612The ideal way to introduce spider people is to introduce them after giant ants ravage the countryside from underground burrows.The spiders come up and corral them in, and apologize profusely for the ants, as they broke out of their hive area.
>>41559608I like this idea.And giant prehistoric flies and other bugs to hunt
>>41546303You're good people.
>>41559807OP could have said PDQ# or fucking fantasy-revamped Mutants & Masterminds and they're good people.
>>41559846Well yeah. This is some A++ stuff. I'm just a little sour my group won't try any other system. I love 3.5, but damn I wanna mix it up.
Why do you guys like this stuff?It's just "spiders, but big"
>>41559942If you don't have a dislike for spiders, spiders as an intelligent race is pretty high up there next to all the skeletons and robots in appeal.
>>41559959what about snakes?
>>41559959I'm TERRIFIED of spiders, but I think this is great. I love subverted expectations.
>>41559942I'm just a big fan of Insects, arachnids and the like.they're interesting
>>41549329Make them also spice farmers.
>>41544407Reminds me a bit of the race of arctic sphinxes from this thread https://archive.moe/tg/thread/38089476/#q38089476
>>41537612Are they all named Spider/
Final Fantasy Style Jumping Spider Dragoons
Relevant to the thread>>41565427
>>41559393I don't think you're supposed to try to pet spiders because they have a natural fear of birds and will instinctually attack.
>>41567826Would hug a spider.
>>41559482Enemy. It's a...really weird movie with a whole lot of reference's to spiders.
>>41568509Took a while, but I'ma look forward to this movie. Cheers, anon.
>>41568099That is fucking adorable and all, but good luck. Like really holy shit that's cute.
>>41569389Spiders love hugs. They're naturally affectionate and friendly.They're like italialians in that regard. They even wave their legs around when they talk.
>>41537612>Basically, I'm looking to develop things like tool usage, construction, and things like that for a non-humanoid race without resorting to "everything is webs" (there's a little of that, but I don't want to overuse it- only in bits where they might apply artistry.)telekinesis?actually now that I think about it. when you say GIANT spiders. how big are they, that could effect my answer.
>>41569482Slightly bigger than a human, not counting legs
So what's the history or culture of these spiders?do they have a name?
>>41569454Well, the are hairy monsters.
>>41569482For non-metal structures it could be fluffed that the spiders have innate, rudimentary druidic abilities. Minor shaping of wood, stone, and mud basically
>>41569982Why do they need druidic abilities to make nonmetal structures when they are literally natural builders, and one of the foremost examples of natures's capability to build?
>>41569982>>41570308Also, trade is a thing. They could have traded for moulds, or the tools outright.
Have humans live amongst them
>>41570308I was thinking from a fine detail perspective. Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that the mechanics of giant spiders using tools were tricky at best.
>>41570483This is a good idea. Make them a culture that accepts others into their own to fill their needs
>>41541794>lsd is business as usual
>tomes are written as websInteresting idea, reminiscent of those South Americans who wrote with knots.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu^ if you need some historical inspiration.
>>41571496>be human librarian>go into library>only a few books>cobwebs everywhere>spiders must not be big readers>clean up>spider-boss comes in>faints instantly
>Lawful goodHonestly I would think that this arachnid species would work better as lawful neutral, with the whole "Fates being written" vibe going on. Sure, they'd still kind and courteous, but they aren't gonna fuck with fate, meaning if you're destined to burn at the steak, then they'll be the ones setting you on it. Inversely, if the tapestry says you'll be a great hero, then they'll do everything they can to make sure that happens, no matter the expense. Just some food for thought,
>>41537612Neat.Just like how humaninty encoded our history in their excretions.
>>41571837Would any just world fate an innocent to die?Maybe they arent just readers of fate, but custodians of it as well. Sometimes there might be a knot or tear they must repair to weave things into the tapestry
>>41537612>le lawful good monsters>they like magic! And reading!>WEBS! Because spiders, geddit?I cringed. 0/10
>>41571907I think challenging a society of readers of fate with a tear that only they can repair would be pretty tasty fluff. They have to develop some motivation and confidence to fix something only they can fix.Fun cobflict between what is right and societal expectations. Could even lead to a schism. More history for the spiders!
When a spider is born a web is woven that is said to show that spider's fate.When two are wed, their fate-webs are woven together
>>41537612>giant spiders>lawful goodIs this some magical realm shit, anon?
>>41571907>>41571837Thanks for the clarification, I guess i was assuming their god is omniscient enough for such things (And maybe it is, it just likes fucking around with spiders) I have another thing i want to be clarified, what do these spiders think of fiction? Since they believe the world was written into existence, do they think mere mortals can do that too? Would it be considered an affront to their god, of would it be considered a highly religious sentiment meant as flattery?
>>41537744>Everything is made WITH webWeb strand woven with shards of rock or metal: Saw.Web woven with river clay and baked in a stone oven: Specialized ceramics. Also, giant spiders could use the giant hairs on their legs to do fine woodwork--decorative carving, woodcuts, etc. They could probably use them as quills, too. Dip them in ink and write long spidery rants on parchment... made with web.MFW Spider Bob Ross rolls up, the hairs on his legs covered in all the colors of the rainbow.
>>41574838Im not OP, but it seemed like he intended this to be a collectivist thing.I'd say they'd be all about telling stories- weaving worlds like that of their god (the Mother Spider? >>41538437.) Its equal parts artistry and journey of self-discovery. A spider could spend their whole lifetimes weaving out an epic web-tome, creating a beautiful tapestry mirroring the Web of Fates their god wove
>>41574972>>41575011This shit is gold. Somebody write this up.What're we calling them?
>>41544819Goats in Trees, motherfucker. Google it.
>>41575314That... That doesn't refute his point. At all.
>>41537612>alignmentInto the dustbin.
>>41574838Spider Grant Morrisonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr-3zUjZgl0
>>41541794I'm surprised spiders can metabolize drugs like we can.I'd have figured in most cases they'd either be unaffected or dead.
>>41575828If it makes you feel better, they probably tried quite a few other drugs, and that image doesn't shoe the ones that resulted in unaffected or dead spiders
>>41537612Terrified of those gross creatures with gooey, slimy flesh and internal skeletons.
>>41537612Gimme a kiss!
>>41577902I always figured if I tried that it'd turn around and bit me super fast
Anybody written up some stats?
>>41579000Spiders are cute like 50% of the time
>>41575033Spinners?Weavers?Or, after >>41538429, Archaelites?
>>41537612If you're thinking stuff like having cabinets and doors, you could try something like crude horizontal rings attached to things used as handles that they can put one of their legs through and pull around.
I fully support this PC race being a thing.Please make it a thing.
>>41579239I like the Arachnea
>>41579785>>41579239That's literally using the Latin designation of the class and order of spiders and contaminating the terms into a new one.
>>41579842>contaminating the terms into a new oneWhat the fuck are you going on about
>>41579955I think anon uses the term incorrectly. Usually contamination implies having terms of one language slip into (and sometimes even take on a new meaning in) another language.Less commonly used for blending two words together.
>>41538385I used to breed these pretty bastards, god are they pricey and fussy. I had so many females eat their egg sacks. Sold good, though.
>>41580165So he's anal retentive, AND a retard
>>41578768nah man most spiders are wimps.
>>41580203Just anally retentive, I think. Technically correct.Also arachnea is a bit lazy.
>>41580682Well, what are some better ones?
>>41580739I'm kinda fond of >>41579223, but the third one depends on /tg/ content which may not fit the setting the OP GM has in mind anyway.
>>41580195I would've bought one up in a heartbeat, but I've already got my hands full with a female T. Stirmi. (Literally Satan)
>>41538385In a universe where arthropods are the dominant template for racial design...>Webhammer 40,000The mighty Space Tarantulas, bred by the God-Broodmother as Holy Terra's greatest defense, stand against the the xenos threat, with only the Imperial Ants and the Mantinquisition behind them. In the void between stars, Chaos Scorpions, tarantulas who have made dark deals for great power, maraud colonies of innocent Imperial citizens. Crafthives of Beeldar wander through the cosmos, as beautiful as their single-minded warfare is dangerous. In the Webway, in the dark sanctuary of the paperhives, their decadent cousins, the Wasps, dose up on combat pheremones and strike into realspace. The newfound Tauchikoma race is expanding to the galactic east, while the nefarious Tombdoor Spyders are waking up from their cybersleep. Ragtag clans of butal Beetorks, obsessed with "da biggest crushin' horns", cause havoc in Imperial hives. And at the galactic fringe, there are reports of spacegoing, all-consuming worms...
>>41580858[assault marine spiders intensifies]
>>41580893>uncle's here!>did you bring us anything?!
>>41537612>male and female children are their respective parents' race>dude gets it on with spider>lays egg sac>suddenly 50 sons and 50 spider-daughters
>>41538232>getting around the square cube law is basically a necessity nowadaysNot offence meant, but step outside of /tg/ every now and then.
>>41581319Uh, yeah, it's basically everywhere.Rarely do I see fiction anymore that isnt shredded by MUH REALISM retards instantly. Shit like "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE" encouraged know-it-all faggots from all walks of life to shit on anything remotely unscientific.
More spider culture things.Annual celebration that involves things like >>41540461 but now you turn it into a full blown circe de solei (or however it's spelled) with spiders throwing themselves off towering stone monoliths with bungee silks (or none at all). And since spiders have spider tea (probably had drugs) and probably know how to stick shiny things up in their webs, the whole thing becomes one annual insane show that people will pay good money to see (or rather, to have an escort take them there so they don't get eaten by the antagonistic giant wasps).You can also create two spider groups that antagonize each other. Hell, maybe even three. The first would consist of spider species that involve having the spider on the ground; trapdoor spiders, the ones that bury themselves in sand and ambush, etc. Tend to be like police trolls where they sit and wait before jumping out (from the ground). They have some ideological conflict with the "air" spiders involving (as expected) the ground.Second group are mostly traditional spider species that build nests in high places and may drop down with thin silk strands or ambush birds. An airy, flighty people who contrast with (as they call them) their unwashed eight legged cousins on the ground.Third group are spiders that live exclusively in massive trees that grow in desert regions where annual flooding occurs. They have an interesting form of agriculture that makes use of the annual floods. They wrap their trees in massive blankets of webs, and even go so far as to construct highways between their trees, which also double as a method to collect pesky birds that try to eat their crops and show off their architectural skills. Both other groups steer clear of this group due to a perception of insanity that's associated with their preference for water.
>>41581628Go further with the water spiders. They have a culture of swimming and traversing to the bottom of a flooded plane for the sake of finding items, or fishing.
>>41538095Wasps don't deserve to live! I stand with the spiders removal of the wasp-nests!
>>41581483Not really. Most non-autistic people don't give a shit and shrug it off as acceptable for entertainment purposes.
>>41581628>More on the three spider sub-species, who I will call Ground Spiders, Sky Spiders, and Water Spiders, respectively.>Ground SpidersGenerally more outwardly martial than their two cousin species/groups/subcultures. Much of their culture often features a strong darkness motiff, with patience and explosive, instantaneous strength being seen as virtues. Many of their fables involve heroes emerging victorious due to clever tactics involving camouflage and ambushes. Tree/boulder tossing is a sport.>Air SpidersThese are the more traditional spiders. Their culture has a stronger emphasis on the arts (tapestries especially), where the dexterous movements are highly valued, leading to a large number of weaver-artists and "sky dancers" (they "dance" on suspended webs, or suspended via very few safety strands). Sky spiders are stereotyped as being more adventurous and welcoming, but at the same time they are known to be a little pompous.>Water SpidersMuch more reclusive than their two brother subcultures. Due to their sedentary nature, the water spiders place a greater importance on knowledge, records, and history; thus massive repositories of carefully hand woven scrolls can be found in their massive tree homes. Their culture puts a greater emphasis on the acquisition of knowledge and skills and using it with respect to their environment - whereas a Ground Spider hero would make a simple trap, or the Air Spider would use acrobatic tricks to lure their foe into a web, traditional Water Spider heroes are typically slow, methodical, and much more willing to combine their webs in new and novel ways to solve problems, such as their highways, which are actually made of magically warped wood/leaves reinforced by their silk. Water Spiders have learned the art of swimming, but will take offense at being compared to water striders. They are also stereotypically fond of fish and having a natural leaning towards the study of nature.
>>41581737>More spiders!Ground spiders, while known for living in the earth, are actually only decent earth workers. They employ a race of large-ish ants (some argue it's a form of slavery, however the ant monsters are not known to complain) to build their large underground cities and above ground outposts. Animal (or monster) husbandry is well developed among the Ground Spiders. Many of their dishes involve meats, fruits, tubers, cheeses, and strong herbs partially cooked and thrown into various containers to allow to ferment. According to legend the first of these dishes were created when an early Ground Spider sat in wait for an ambush for half a year and had forgotten his lunch stored in a sack and buried in the earth to keep cool.Meanwhile, the food of the Air Spiders is seen as the "basic" spider cuisine that often features one food stuffed into another. Since the Air Spiders had much more exposure to the outside world compared to the Ground and Water Spiders, their foods often call for ingredients only available via trade, and as a result, their agricultural abilities are considered rudimentary. They are also considered the most "cosmopolitan" of the three groups.If the Ground Spiders are considered somewhat backwards, the Air Spiders cosmopolitan, then the Water Spiders would be considered highly secretive and insular. They are highly wary of outsiders - this may be the result of a seemingly natural feud that has developed between them and local man-sized octopi known to raid their fisheries.
This thread really deserves a bump.
>>41582435That picture makes me very happy.
>>41582599The mushroom one (bottom left) looks fascinating.
>>41581737>Sky spidersBear in mind that it is mechanically possible (though incredibly silly) for a human being to be lifted airborne in the same manner as a ballooning spider. Ergo, it is extremely possible for a human sized spider to generate its own ballooning parachute. These are essentially many strands of very fine silk (it's where we get the word 'gossamer' from) that spread out in a triangular net due to electrostatic repulsion.
spiders are disgusting
>>41583701Oh, corollary to that, a very slightly denser atmosphere with slightly higher oxygen balance (hardly enough to be noticeable, less than the difference in air quality between Addis Ababa and San Francisco, for example) would be enough to increase the density of aeroplankton almost fourfold. You could have spiders literally 'sky trawling' with multi-kilometer long seine nets swept through the sky
Loving this thread, wish I could think of something to contribute, drawing a bit of a blank right now.Spider zen archers, y/n?
>>41584683How would that even work?
>>41584832Super high strength bowstrings pulled back two front arms with small metal hooks attached to the ends.
>>41584320Now have a giant one of those chase the party whilst making didgeridoo noises. Everyone is fleeing whilst the druid is busy shouting back that it only wants to perform to you, not eat you.
>>41585060And how do they hold the bow itself?
>>41586290Other legs, more hooks. Or webbing
>>41586472I'm imagining something that looks more like a ballista than a bow as we know it.Frankly this concept of Ballistae Spiders sounds fucking awesome to me.
post qt spider ladies
>>41586566Oooh, perhaps a back-mounted ballista that is retracted by a pulley system...
>>41587166I wonder if the anatomy of spiders, being low to the ground with wise-spread legs, would lend them towards portable siege weaponry that they strap to their backs.
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/537301/spiders-ingest-nanotubes-then-weave-silk-reinforced-with-carbon/Check that out OP.The spiders will probably have professions for eating certain things and weaving with them, I know some hunting spiders can weave electric blue elastic webbing.Clothing/decoration: In the book "The Calculating God" there is a spiderish alien and it's clothing was a strip of blue fabric wound around the torso, weaving between it's various legs. Thus you have culture, and a useful harness for tools.I might also suggest they wear a dress/veil around the edge of their abdomen. Depending on how they are sexually differentiated the males might wear gloves/Veils on their pedipalps (Or Manipalps if they are their main manipulator organ, which means the males might not have ones very different from the females) Thus shame/body modesty.People have mentioned that they wouldn't have a concept of stairs. Take that further, they barely have a concept of 'down.'Yes, you fall down, but their webs are sticky so they can attach things anywhere. Also since they can climb on walls and ceilings imagine their hallways.So let's say there are arrows/colors leading you to places in a compound or something. Floor, ceiling, and walls can all be utilized.A hallway for two way traffic doesn't have to be much wider, just high enough that a spider on the ceiling won't touch the spider on the floor. Or the spider on one wall won't touch the Spider on the other.Think Esher/The Labyrinth a bit.Spiders need to eat, right? So what prey animals do they keep?Beron Bees for Honey (and nosh?) Or Attack Wasps that also make paper walls and shades for them? Giant beetles for the sweet meat inside, their wings for windows, and use their carapace as armor and jewlery?
A race of Lawful Good Spiders? Neat!Do they have any Spider Paladins?