Have you ever dealt with slavery or indentured servitude in your games?
>>40745299My DM allowed us to sell one of our more annoying players to a group of traveling slavers. It was funny, because he'd insist on rolling to break the chains, and would fail (bonus; the slavers would beat him whenever they caught him trying to escape, which was all the fucking time).
Yes. Magical not!Africa is chock-full of slavery, especially by the dwarves, of the humans and orcs. The wizards of the capital of the area my players are in currently bought tons of them, but they're letting the slaves pay for themselves for with their work and treating them as well as you would a paid labourer. Most of the former slaves are heading south into the White Coast where life is shit anyway, though.
Yes, once did run a campaign where the players ran a slave trader company.
I don't generally run or play games in which slavery is likely to be present, or even be a theme.If you stay away from post-apocalypse or non-anime fantasy, you probably won't see it.
>>40745299Darksun campaign, the entire party was enslaved to one of the Defiler dragons (the one with the fighter levels), working in his mines. One of the players decided to stop showing up so the DM put his female Elf character into a coma. Our water cleric/rogue douchelord pimped out the character to other slaves for water. When the guy finally showed again, he was really pissed that his dainty Elf had been used as a cumdump by over half the slave gang and the rest of the party was so water-wealthy we'd bought our freedom with it, leaving her behind.
>>40745644>If you stay away from non-anime fantasyBut I want it to be good.
Anytime my group encounters slaves they free them. Anytime they encounter slavers or slave owners they kill them or free their slaves. They leave no opening to approach the issue of slavery from a historical context, which is unfortunate because there is a campaign which I would like to run featuring piracy, plantations, and international trade and finance.
Isn't it pretty common in non-D&D fantasy?
Yes. In Eclipse Phase and the 40k rpgs, indentured servitude is the norm of the setting.
>>40745743It should be common in any setting based on most of history. Even in a modern setting it occurs in most countries, secretly or not. >>40745716They do this in any setting? That is pretty idiotic.
>tfw you will never go to a slave market and buy your cohort without the rest of the party seeing you as some freak.
>>40745844Yes. Any setting. They still do it.
Back when I had a Dark Heresy group I had a short side session where the Inquisitor flat out sent them to capture slaves and even allow them to keep one. I did it to measure how immersed my players were in the game. I figured if they were reluctant then they would refuse or try to sabotage things. Alas, they went along without hesitation. Put me off of GMing a bit.
>>40745716>>40745844>They do this in any setting? That is pretty idiotic.You're underestimating just how ingrained white guilt is, or how hard people have been told that slavery is pretty much the worst thing you could possibly do short of genocide.People think slaver and they think an angry ugly white guy whipping a poor colored person until their backs are raw, people completely forget about Roman slavery, peasants and serfs, indentured servitude or the entire slave trade going on in the Arab world.The entirety of slavery's history is the American Deep South, from approximately 1850 to 1865.
>>40745875Just play a historical game and make it clear what will happen if they act so out of character for the world. Either they will learn to actually roleplay or they all get killed.
>>40745930In all fairness most Americans believe this. It's a major factor in our politics.>>40745940Doesn't sound fun. Seems rail-roadey, and they'd assume that the adventure is playing John Brown and freeing the slaves as a campaign.
>>40745930Well just don't play with anybody stupid enough to suffer from white guilt or to think that is what slavery is.
>>40745844>It should be common in any setting based on most of history.Yeah, but it tends to be less common in D&D style fantasy due to that whole alignment thing. Non-evil societies don't do that shit in the vast majority of D&D settings.
>>40745299That one crouching looks a lot like Arya stark from the show
>>40745716Why don't you just have them walk into a city and have a slave auction going on in a town square. Or have guards go after them for murdering innocent men going about their businesses. If it's a norm in a setting they should get fucked up for trying to intervene.
>>40746000>Non-evil societies don't do that shit in the vast majority of D&D settings.Ironically, Qadira and Osirion practice slavery yet they worship Sarenrae, who is a Neutral Good Goddess that supports slavery.
>>40745916Why? It proved that they could keep immersed pretty well.
>>40745973Its not rail-roadey, its called having realistic consequences.If someone's first reaction to the Roman Republic is to start murdering every single citizen they see then they will end up dead pretty quickly.
I have a thing for the classic "Slave Girl", and since I don't like exposing others to autistic fetishism, I don't think I'd be able to play through a slavery focused game without bringing that up, so I wouldn't for the sake of normalcy.
>>40745299The main kingdom the players always start in in my custom world uses slavery to the state as a form of punishment for several crimes.For the absolute worst this punishment often extends beyond death, as they are raised as minor undead to server as swarm troops/cannon fodder.
>>40746041>>40746067My party finds a way to destroy cities right and left. I wouldn't count on them not fucking the whole place up thanks to ridiculously stupid dice results.
>>40746071>I don't think I'd be able to play through a slavery focused game without bringing that up, so I wouldn't for the sake of normalcy.Anon, if you're playing a slavery focused game then people will be EXPECTING the classic slave girl, so really it would actually be encouraged to go to market and find yourself a girl.One of the few fetishes you can play without people realizing it's a fetish (unless you make it REALLY obvious,) like savage girls or pregnancy.
>>40746171Does pregnancy even count as a fetish? After all, it is very common. Most women do it at least once.
Come to think of it, what's up with the "enslaved elves" thing that keeps popping up? Is it because GMs and players like seeing the snooty knife-ears humbled?
>>40746224>Come to think of it, what's up with the "enslaved elves" thing that keeps popping up?It's a meme.
>>40746122However many adventurers should not be able to take on an entire city guard and however many actual soldiers during their first encounter with slavery within the city then. Introduce it early.Or you could just explain before hand that the setting will have slavery as common place and that's normal and they shouldn't waste their time because you don't have any story for it in the campaign.
>>40746061Yeah but most of them started off as moral characters trying to do good and I wanted to ease them into the mind frame of 'ends justify the means' but then they just went whatever at this whole kidnap people for slavery and it felt off.
>>40746071Oh boo hoo, who cares if something sexy comes up in a campaign? Look how popular game of thrones is and that's full of GRRM's fetishes, you can feel them dripping off the pages. Just don't go into to much detail. A good way to understand the cultures you've built is to give the players a snapshot of what they think about sex.
>>40746223It fits as a fetish in the broad definition of fetish being "something that turns you on and you want more of it."At the same time, it's less the pregnancy and more the act of impregnation, both of which don't actually come up too often in games and thus technically counts as a fetish.
>>40746237My party is pretty far left anon. They've fought against trickledown economics when entering a shipping town before.>>40746224Elves are a great target for slavers. Not likely to lose value over time, from a race exotic enough to be high priced, decent looking, hated enough to be raided by drow, orcs, and goblinoids (most settings primary slavers), and haughty enough that most people like seeing them brought down a peg.Also pretty enough for fetishizing.
>>40746223If you focus on its effects specifically? Yes.
>>40745299See module: "The Pale Lady" (Fields or Pit!)
>>40746324>Enslaving a race that lives longer than your family line.
>>40746324Why haven't your parties been killed by town guards and nobles upon entering every town then?
>>40746393>implying wear and tear doesn't kill them after a few decades to centuriesStill worth the money.
>>40746307>At the same time, it's less the pregnancy and more the act of impregnation, both of which don't actually come up too often in games and thus technically counts as a fetish.Speak for yourself m8
>>40746324Your group sounds terrible.Anybody who forces their modern political views into the game regardless of context or setting is a shitty player. Also I do not get people who think slavery in a game means it must be fought. Its like those people who think including medieval gender roles in a medieval setting either means you hate women or the game is about introducing feminism.
>>40746393I actually like how Breeding Season did. Elves let themselves become slaves because otherwise it's all just monotonous and having the arduous work or kinky slave sex to distract them keeps them sane and happy
>>40746400Because they mostly enter small towns and have stupid luck with the dice. Also they travel far enough to outrun the consequences of their actions in most settings.
>>40746393Elf slave - an investment that will last from father to son.
>>40746400Because anon is a limp-wristed DM who is afraid to have true consequences for player actionsPic related, mfw GMs are too afraid of making players cry "railroad" to actually create "cause and effect" in their games. Mfw GMs not upholding law and order... not protecting the good Roman citizens and their merchandise!
>>40746271But lots of "good" people in 40k use slaves. It's really common. As a matter of fact, if you get to live as a slave in 40k you're already ahead of the curve just by being alive. It seems to me like your party was just a step ahead of you in preparation for how the setting works. Not a bad problem to have if you ask me.
Isn't slavery an outdated form of saving effort when you have advanced technology or magic?
>>40746324>My party is pretty far left anon. They've fought against trickledown economics when entering a shipping town before.Then break them. You should not bend to accomodate their needs when it goes against your vision.>>40746411>wear and tear>Using your Elven slaves in the salt pits>Not using them as cherished family treasures who teach your sons the ways of courtly intrigue, courtly love and making the boy into a man.It's like you don't want your Elven slave to catalog the exploits of your lineage while chuckling how your great grandfather made the cutest sounds when she first had him.
>>40746466>Pic related, mfw GMs are too afraid of making players cry "railroad" to actually create "cause and effect" in their games. Mfw GMs not upholding law and order... not protecting the good Roman citizens and their merchandise!True slaves for true Romans!
>>40746478No. Certain goods are not easily mass produced by low level magic users making skilled labor a valuable investment, and the service sector is either untouched by magic or merely enhanced by it. High level magic users have better shit to do than make money.
>>40746478Realistically yes. But we are not dealing with reality are we?
>>40746439Then start them in a big town. If they're constantly entering dungeons and trying to stop whatever it is your BBEG is doing, they're going to get caught by the nobility and patricians eventually.
>>40746475Well what can I say? I was a novice GM and I didn't really know much about the setting, along with my players. We've all been there.
>>40746439>Because they mostly enter small towns and have stupid luck with the dice.You're not going to run into the worst varieties of slavery, or the worst types of slavers, in pleasant small towns.Have the party run across a well-kept slave and the only indication they're a slave is maybe them namedropping their master once or twice.Once you normalize slavery and show it's an acceptable part of every day life, they will either roll with it or die trying.
>>40746524Or just make the BBEG the logical extreme of their anachronistic and socially destructive actions. Either they realise how stupid they are being or they have to work with the monster who tortures innocent citizens to death and uses their slaves as cannon fodder for his empire building.
>>40746611Didn't Tarantino do this with the "good guys" in Inglourious Basterds and everyone still loved 'em?
>>40746670Well too many people are stupid for it to work reliably. Of course if they actually do start murdering people in a setting where slavery is normal and help out the psychopath who is doing that then I would just cancel the game and find a group that is not full of dumbasses.
>>40746670But they were killing Nazis, are you saying you support Nazis?
>>40746727The problem is people seem to forget hollering and hooting like a pack of apes while beating a man to death for having some integrity and courage is not what makes you a good guy.Neither does scalping people for serving their country.
>>40746756>The problem is people seem to forget hollering and hooting like a pack of apes while beating a man to death for having some integrity and courage is not what makes you a good guy.>mfw Tarantino very clearly made that scene for you to feel repulsed and disgusted by the supposed protagonists, while empathizing with the Nazis.>mfw people still loved the protagonists and supported them>mfw these same people didn't understand the point of Nazis doing the same thing they were doing 40 minutes before with the war-film.
>>40746324>ignores the talk of far left party, save for the "needing a in-universe reality check" part>Elves are a great target for slavers. Not likely to lose value over time, from a race exotic enough to be high priced, decent looking, hated enough to be raided by drow, orcs, and goblinoids (most settings primary slavers), and haughty enough that most people like seeing them brought down a peg.>Also pretty enough for fetishizing.That sounds a bunch of good reasons. Plus, don't they usually have skilled hands? Come to think of it, if kept healthy enough, they could also be long-lasting breeding stock.
>>40746824Welcome to America. Where allegory and parable are opaque to people who eat up reality television and cannot distinguish reality from illusion.
>>40746670I think the point of Basterds is that there are good and bad people on both sides of even the most black and white conflict, as well as people doing bad things for good reasons and people doing good things for bad reasons.
>>40745743It's pretty common in regular D&D. Seriously each campaign setting has at least one evil slaver nation.
>>40746824>>40746866The one that got me the worst was the Nazi who was begging for his life because he just "wanted to go home and see his baby boy" and one of the main characters mowed him down like it was nothing.How are you honestly supposed to feel good about these people after that.>>40746916That's kind of why I liked The New Order, they really did a good job capturing the Tarantino Nazi, where the higher-ups are despicable "true believers" while everyone else joins because it pays well.
Yeah, but my PCs ended up joining the slavers instead of fighting against them. Honestly made the game way more fun.
>>40745973If they want to play John Brown, they have the freedom to (personally I think the man is a fucking hero who died a martyr). But the consequence in any realistic setting will likely be death, yeah...
>>40746976They have already dehumanized their perceived enemies and whitewashed their perceived heroes. Had they not already done this then the point Tarantino was trying to make would not be sound. The "inside joke" is only a joke because 99% of the audience doesn't get it.
>>40746824Funny, I walked away from that movie thinking it was just Tarantino stroking his Nazi hate boner. Still felt disgusted because I kept thinking of most of them as Germans and not Nazis.
>>40747110Tarantino was brutally slaughtering Nazis right and left because he wanted to make a point.
>>40747031>John Brown>killed innocent and unarmed people>herokek
>>40747307He was a couple of centuries ahead of his time, sue him.>implying anybody complicit in chattel slavery can possibly be called "innocent"
>>40747307>southerners>peopleI can smell you, Reb.
>>40747409>>40747423>Still calling it the Civil War>Not calling it the "War of Northern Aggression."Please.
>>40747031https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pottawatomie_massacreFair warning, the area discussing John Brown's motivation is of questionable neutrality and fails to meet some citation standards, but I still think this is pertinent.
>>40747307I'll bet you think they should let South Carolina keep their flag.
Are wookie life debts slavery?
>>40747409I don't think it's fair to expect every person regardless of time or culture to develop the same sense of equality, justice, and fairness that most people have nowadays. This goes doubly so for a person raised in a time and place without the internet or access to similar forms of mass two way discourse. If most people alive today had instead been born in the early to mid 1800s they would probably be racist too.
>>40747449>sparing women>sparing innocent childrenHoly shit, he even spared adult men in the company of a militant pro-slavery activist (this makes him more of a bleeding heart than the current U.S. administration, which labels anyone killed in a drone strike an enemy combatant until proven otherwise.Yeah, this guy is a hero to anyone but the people who still the South will rise again.
>>40747459I think this is bait, but I'll bite. Should the United States change their flag because they did shitty things too? It's an image, the image didn't hurt anyone direclty, and certainly isn't hurting anyone currently besides some "muh feelings" idiots.
>>40747569>so long as you don't kill women and children you're a good guy
>>40747584I'll just leave this here...
>>40747584>I think this is bait, but I'll bite.It's not bait, it's something that's currently on the table.Sorta like how Sweden should change their flag to remove the cross.
>>40747608>do you have some sort of an eye problem where you can only read green text?
>Thread about slavery turns into talk about Nazis turns into plea for historical relativism concerning the terrorist John Brown.
>>40747646Green text is often used as a means to represent that one anon is quoting or paraphrasing another anon. In this case it's meant to show a satirical paraphrasing of this anon's >>40747569 message, and supposedly make the flaw in his thinking more apparent.
>>40747626Or how Rhodesia changed its flag, or South Africa did, or both Japan and Germany did after WWII. But that's all beside the point -- THAT'S NOT EVEN THEIR FLAG. This is the state flag of South Carolina.What we have is a state legislature proudly displaying the flag of a long-dead country known solely for its existential opposition to the United States -- it's as if the legislature of California decided to display the flag of the USSR or New York decided to hang the ISIS in Albany.
>>40747718Reading comprehension, friend, try it.My point was that he completely ignored, in his response, the vast majority of my post, and seemed to have read only the green bits.I need to stop arguing with morons on the internet.
>>40747750This may be true, but that's generally how green text is used - to paraphrase small sections or highlight something. You used it improperly - you simply made a joke at his expense that did not in any way, shape or form incorporate the base material that he supplied for you to work with - his shitty opinions. He used greentext in the traditional format, you messed it up with your jab at his overuse of greentext.
>>40747244He made it badly; Fury showed that point to greater effect.
>>40747459They should, if only as a constant reminder of history so that we're not inclined to just dust it under the rug for political convenience.
>>40747720Your allegory is incorrect: ISIS never owned Albany, nor did the USSR own California. The Confederacy was born in South Carolina, as much as Virginia likes to think otherwise, it's as much a part of South Carolina's past as the other five flags that flew over Texas before the US one.
>>40745716Many pirates were freed slaves as pirates were surprisingly democratic and progressive. It probably helped that any slaves on a ship captured by pirates were far more trustworthy as new crew members than any turncoats.(So i get to be free, paid money and noone treats me like shit because I'm now a valued crew member? Sign me up!)Pirates were apparently so well organized as a government they accidentally had their own little empire in the Caribbean if that history book on it i never get around to cracking open is any accurate. Taking that into account you simply could have turned their tendencies into an actual plot.
>>40746483Twist: Elves basically run the country. Every noble house had elf slaves, over the years every one of any importance has been raised by elves, taught by elves, fucked elves, and finds their elven retainers and majordomos as indispensable as their right arm. The elves get a prosperous human border kindgom to serve as a buffer between themselves and their real enemies, while getting their rocks off at how clever and subtle they are.
>>40748525I'm reading a book right now called "Wealth and Democracy". Most of the earliest fortunes of America's prominent families were actually rooted in Piracy and Privateering as seed money responsible for 30-40% of their total sum when those fortunes peaked by the 1830's and real estate boomed.
>>40745716"As many enemies as slaves"Actually a Spartacus style game where they kill a slaver, and wind up leading a revolt against a vastly superior force, complete with noble death scene could be fun.
>>40746224Not sure. I get the feeling it started with Japan's love of raping/enslaving elves (due to not comprehending things quite right eg kfc for christmas and/or Japan's natural tendencies for lewd) and looped back to the West.>>40748614I recall once reading that the American Revolution was even rooted in it since the Taxed tea everyone protested about was cheaper and higher quality than what the smugglers and pirates were turning in. They couldn't have things like quality products at lower prices cut into their profits so they started acting like the taxes were raping people's children to drum up anger.
>>40748780Not sure about that one, but it could be the case.
>>40747720Most states at the time had the legal right to secede. It was done for the wrong reason and it's good the South lost in the end but secession was allowed.Personally I'd rather them fly this flag.
>>40749038There were only two legal paths to succession through the constitution. The Confederate States followed neither of them. Their succession was as unlawful as it was unwise: the landed aristocracy could have stayed slave owning for a few decades more before slavery was phased out by the rest of the Union at the Federal level while divesting their investments (60% at the time for most) from slaves into things like factories, finance, shipping, and other ventures. They opted instead to try and protect their investments by seceding, which fucked them.
>>40746478It depends on how expensive that magic or technology is relative to how much a slave costs. Also, while it might make brute force slavery obsolete, educated and intelligent slaves would still be useful and prized for work other than manual labor.
>>40747720The lone star bit of state flag of Texas is based on the one used by the West Florida Republic, a short lived nation that was absorbed by the US.
I'm interested is running a game that has a focus on slavery, but am unsure how I should go about it. First off, I'm split over whether to set it in a medieval fantasy world or in a science-fantasy setting I made. The first would be more easily recognized, but the second has advantages like many races and worlds to travel to.Second, how exactly is slavery a major issue? The simplest way would be to have the main characters be slavers themselves, but I'm hesitant to force that onto them. I'd also rather not have the whole group be slaves. One possibility is for some characters to be slaves of others, but that of course would require a good group.As far as erotic content goes, I'm usually fine with it as long as it isn't the main focus of the game and everyone handles it relatively maturely. Any suggestions are welcome, and if you have more questions don't hesitate to ask.
>>40749546I'd go with this idea: with regards to slavery make it the cornerstone of everything. Banker or stock trader? Dealings are often underpinned on slave contracts or with slavery clauses as collateral on loans. Debt is built like a house of cards on the slave market, and catastrophes happen whenever there is a mass default and the slave markets are flooded, resulting in the prices plummeting ala the housing crisis.Maybe the characters are involved in other lines of work even if they aren't necessarily slavers, but since times are tight due to the economic collapse in that sector or area of the kingdom the only work to be found is guarding missions to export the cheap slaves to areas where slaves are more expensive, kicking off the adventure and bringing people who wouldn't normally make common cause with slavers into the world of slavery.
>>40749546Also I might be down to play if it's online. What sort of focus is the narrative on?
>>40746478It became outdated in economic terms for uses around the 1880s, at lest that is what my professor told me in college. However for some time afterwords a couple of types of farming work (namely rubber ) still had better returns on slavery then trained payed workers with machines.
>>40750805I've decided on using the science fantasy setting, and I really want to let the players explore the strange cultures and planets that appear. Many of these do practice slavery to different extends. Even the 'good guy' nations have house slaves. As far as overarching plots go, I'm drawing a blank.
>>40745845you can if you're a drow. I did just that in my games
>>40749038>>it was done for the wrong reasonscorrect>>it was good that the south lostno. fucking NO.trying to keep a bunch of dumbfucks in your democracy (or for the more nuetral minded, people of opposed mentality) makes it so nothing gets done
>>40751930What system and time would you want to run this campaign?
>>40747459The SC flag is a palm tree. You mean the West Virginia Battle Flag, which also flies over the state house. Why shouldn't they fly it? It reminds us of one of the bloodiest wars of the 19th century. And it was the side they were on. Different things have different meanings to different people. Besides, what would taking it down accomplish? What about the stars and stripes? Cant that too be viewed as a flag of slavery?
>>40747720I still say South Carolina should change it cause that's a crappy flag. Either keep the crescent or the tree, not both.
Exalted (1st edition I think?) had a real good book on this. Manacle and Coin I believe it was called.
>>40752733>Either keep the crescent or the tree, not bothPeople might think it was a Middle Eastern or North African flag if they did that.
Yeah, I had a agricultural civilization that used giants to till the land in one of my worlds. They were hunchbacked with traits very similar to elephants, but without the trunks and big ears. The tusks of slaves were often cut off for ivory decorations.
>>40745763> the 40k rpgsAnd there is that company that buys slaves by the millions. And they somehow enjoy it.
>>40746483>salt pits>not investing in lemon mines
>>40745930My first impression of slavery nowadays is 20 something year old haji's raping teenage girls. From what history I've read ISIL's concept of slavery isn't in line with what it was common in the Ottoman and other Arab/Persian empires.
>>40748607Had this in a setting. Merchant house was basically ran by a lone Elf who was an infamous elven commando commander known for her brutality and torturing human peasants. Gets captured and enslaved, out of bureaucracy, no one IDs her and she is sold as a maid/laborer to a low class merchant who's trying to start a business. She seduces the merchants son the second he hits puberty, and through the son's suggestions and her connections in the elven resistance, ensures the business takes off and is successful by planning raids on rival business and noble houses. Has the father assassinated and puts son in charge. Her young master ends up ennobled and the bastard kids she has with the son take over key positions in the business and other rivals to feed her info. Gets her master in the line for kingship, married to the princess, but the princess surprisingly can't have kids, so the new prince's bastard half-elf son is legitimized. PC's were tasked with figuring out the whole legitimization fiasco and uncovering the Slave terrorist past.
Sort of a brutal, dark Star Wars game had us needing to buy crewmebers for a ship from a slaver. Droids were way too expensive and there was nobody to hire at any price to ride the massive pile of rust and steel they were flying. The noble got a hard reality check, in the form of being told that they couldn't just free the slaves right away or treat them right: A lot of slaves are vicious survivors that would jump on any sign of weakness to kill them and steal the ship. They needed to keep a tight leash on them and control them like real slavers. It worked out in the end, but the slave market scene really played up how sleazy and wrong buying and selling humans is. It was like the darkest moment of getting a few day laborers in front of a Home Depo ever.
>>40745357Did you save him eventually?
>>40752574They were on the wrong side- and the flying of that flag is an insult to the men that died to put their illiterate sister-fucking ancestors in their place.
>>40746224Because elves think they're the masters of the world / ubermenschen but end up in submission and ridicule
>>40745299I tried./tg/ told me it was unequivocally evil and that there can be no "good" character who indulges in it.
>>40754377Really if you get rid of the alignment system then its not an issue if you play with non stupid players.Otherwise every Paladin and knight is now suddenly evil for not toppling serfdom by force and for being a normal quasi-medieval feudal landowner.
>>40754440All I wanted to do was show how different two neighboring, mutually hostile cultures were from one another, and slavery was one of those ways.
Who'd want to deal with the messiness of slavery when wage slavery is so much easier?
>>40745501>treating them as well as you would a paid labourerso, like utter shit that you'd rather kill than let find work elsewhere?
Yep. The setting started as a bit of an experiment; I turned up the usual traits of the standard fantasy races (excepting humans) and tried to figure out how they would interact. Elves because elitist conquerors and contemptuous masters, each proud and individualistic. Dorfs turned into first the Ancient Greeks and then Romans (dorf physique is rather ideally suited to both hoplite phalanx and Roman legion tactics, oddly enough). Both elves and dwarfs have human slaves. Elf slavery is closest to Southern US slavery; the elves believe themselves to be demigods, so mere, pitiful mortals like humans are less than nothing in their society. They are used for all menial and laborious tasks and serve as servants as well. Their lives tend to be harsh and short.At the very least, however, the elves don't purposefully torture or act cruelly towards them. Doing so would be "beneath" them,Dorfs follow a more Roman model (fancy that). Their slavery is conquest based: if an enemy (typically humans) does not submit or become a subservient ally and gets conquered, the get enslaved. Their slaves are 3rd/4th class people with few rights, but are often given the chance to buy their freedom. It's hereditary, but children are cheaper to free.The exception is for criminals and rebels, who are enslaved for life in punishing conditions (such as mines). Some dwarfs end up suffering this fate as well.Free or freed humans are still secondary in dwarf society, being barred from office and so forth, but can own property and serve in auxiliary roles in the army.
>>40754322Excuse me, but what? West Virginia seceded fr Virginia Proper and joined the Union during the Civil War. They fly it as a reminder that they were born in battle. Fuck I hate people who don't know history but talk like they do.
My druid came across this magitech society where these elementally attuned sprites were used as domestic animals, despite being sentient. The king, despite being a dragon, was unable to stamp out the practice. When she helped SAVE THE WORLD FROM A DEMON INVASION, she couldn't convince everyone to quit that shit, but she was able to collect enough like-minded and grateful souls to make sure no one who upheld that peculiar institution was able to show their face in public.
>>40757368Did it end peacefully or violently?
>>40747444>Kentuckian>looks up to mantlepiece with flags from multiple Southern regimentsAlways liked that way of putting it.
>>40756913>Elf slavery is closest to Southern US slavery; the elves believe themselves to be demigods, so mere, pitiful mortals like humans are less than nothing in their society. They are used for all menial and laborious tasks and serve as servants as well. Their lives tend to be harsh and short.I'm not an expert on antebellum slavery in the South, but I was under the impression they treated their slaves relatively well to ensure they would remain as productive as can be because slaves would cost them so much.
>>40753787How did that one end?
>>40760001It varied wildly according to individual slave owners and the type of slaves you're talking about. (House slave vs field slave etc)
How many settings have you seen with Roman and Muslim-style slavery, complete with manumission?
>>40760600Very few. It's unfortunate, because that's a lot more interesting, but every setting I've played in usually has over-the-top chattel slavery or POW Bronze Age style slavery.
>>40754322> resorts to 5th grade insults of an entire nation of men.> confirmed butthurt faggot who knows nothing of US history
>>40760600>Greco-Roman slavery was comparable to Muslim slaveryNo.
>>40760001I should have said that it's like the WOST of US slavery. There were many who believed they were 'helping' the slaves by giving them Christianity and a purpose, but there were plenty of horrible masters as well.My elves aren't typically like the LaLaurie family, fortunately for their slaves.
>>40746478Keep in mind that in DnD (common example) magic is not all that common. Outside of adventuring groups, a city may have a single resident wizard maxing out around level 3. The town cleric may also know some magic, but otherwise you won't see much of it. Magic items are also very expensive, running from hundreds to thousands of gold and your average land owner probably operates primarily with silver. Humanoid labor is a hell of a lot easier to obtain and maintain than magic unless the setting uses Harry Potter magic.
>>40747473One of the dialogue responses in SW:KOTR to Zaalbar giving you a life-debt is essentially "cool, I've always wanted a Wookie slave." He then berates you for calling it slavery.
>>40745930Don't forget slavetrading in africa back then. It wasn't white men coming to your village to enslave you, it was your king, your own african king, who would come and enslave you.
>>40760096Prince was forced to step down, divorce the princess and the nation ripped itself apart in civil war. said prince packed up and bounced to another big nation because the nobles didn't like a commoner among their ranks. Elf slave escaped to a elven nation and is the spymaster there and is a recurring villain we call the 'slave-queen' in the current campaign. Before she bounced, she ordered her surviving children to marry into noble families in other nations to increase her influence in the following generations through the link of her bloodline. Party is currently trying to keep her from getting some powerful old magic and wiping out the Civil War survivors to expand her nation onto the land.she also formally married her old master, so the party can't do anything about her in that nation, because she hasn't done anything illegal there. The guy also holds the party responsible for the previous country falling apart. Trying to figure a way to keep him involved yet seem a victim of circumstance.
>>40745299Yes, that's actually how the party formed in game, in my setting there is an empire that gathers people of complimenting skill sets from the ranks of the enslaved to form adventuring parts, after 10 years of service not only are they freed they are given full citizenship in the empire, this is the easiest way to get citizenship to the empire of immortals (in there citizenship = immortality)
>>40763219To be fair, it wasn't usually YOUR king but rather the king of a tribe that kicked the shit out of yours and you're just a spoil of war to be used
>>40763307Lots of Kings were making more and more crimes receive enslavement as a punishment so they could get guns and other goods from Arab and Portuguese slave traders. And that is another thing, people do not realise Arabs were taking Africans as slaves for centuries before Europeans and did not fully stop until the early 1900's.
>>40763553>fully stopAnon.You can still buy slaves, even in countries like Algeria. Of course, they're not slaves, they're "housemaids", but, you know, not much difference in the end.
>>40763553>And that is another thing, people do not realise Arabs were taking Africans as slaves for centuries before Europeans and did not fully stop until the early 1900's.But Arabs are PoC and were oppressed by my ancestors, which lets me excuse their actions.
>>40764475>oppressed I know you are kidding but people forget Arabs/Turks/whatever were an existential threat to Europe for nearly 1000 years. And the only reason we do not have tons of Europeans descended from former slaves in the Middle East and North Africa is that they quite frequently castrated their slaves.
>>40752250I'm not sure yet. I'm in a bit of a creative rut right now... My skype name is eldoftheblackwind, so if you're interested you can find me there. I just hope I can arrange it into my schedule
>>40745930Or people could just be against slavery in principle, regardless of what form it takes....
>>40745299Yes, slavery is rather common in many games I played or GMd. Nobody ever had any problem with it, because we are not brainwashed SJW Western pussies.
>>40765981Which should not be relevant in an RPG unless its a setting that specifically calls slavery socially unacceptable as a general thing.
>>40761169Being not as bad as the stereotype? Yes.
>>40763243...Welp, they sure fucked That up. Slave-Queen's also had a bit of motive changeOut of curiosity, how mutual is the feeling of those two by now?
My PC in Rogue Trader comes from an ork tribe that regularly raids Imperial, Eldar, and Tau worlds for slaves to use as a huge labor force in a series of mines on their planet. The boss keeps his own harem of the strongest females (ie. Sosritas, Farseers, Fire commanders and the like that manage to impress him and survive) but he doesn't actually know what harems are for, he just has them sit around.
>>40746756Serving their country... Lmao.
>>40749038This ignorance is tragic. It's a pity Lincoln was assassinated and Johnson botched the reformation. The south has wallowed in shit and ignorance ever since.
>>40752574Taking any form of the rebel flag away from them whether they want it or not seems like a much better reminder of which side they were on.
>>40767022elf pussy every day. wife husbandry from elf is too stronk. Likely raise him to be her perfect husbando. I'm more surprised about her torturing human peasants.What changed along those years?
My current PF character's been landed an unused manor and land on the frontier of a Hold in her debt. I'm plannin' on gettin' a slave force to work it into something productive but of course "muh time transcendent modern day moralities" is leaking in from other players.
>>40746466>>40746506>Not taking the spoils of war as it is your rightful due.>Going against our mos maiorum.>Threathening the Roman way of life.>MFW Vae victis!
>>40767022>they sure fucked That up.Yup. The rolls were hilariously bad.> how mutual is the feeling of those two by now?He's still smitten by her, but now has his doubts. She forced a priest to bond his soul to hers, making them basically soulmates and prolonging his life as a "I'm sorry, I won't hurt you again" thing. PC's can't kill her without killing him and hurting the local economy. They did overhear him talking to his son (they can feel where each other is at, pass basic messages, and feel the others emotions) after some diplomatic missions, allowing to start the current campaign.She basically raised him to be her manipulable husband, but she kinda has some affection in him, like a well kept pet. The soul-binding will roll was a bit low, so she's starting to actually love him subconsciously, and its causing him to want to help her despite her goals. She does consider her grandchildren onwards to be disposable to her plans. as soon as her own children die, she'll start "using" some of the more expendable descendents.>What changed along those years?She can't get away with going Whitman in the city, so she 'disappears' some beggars and whores to torture to death for street info and her kinks.
>>40745299No.But this makes me want to create a game where I place my players into slavery and let them decide whether they should escape or live in luxury.
>>40747720Japan only changed its flag in 1999, and that change was too small to even be visible without a tape measure. The flag you're probably thinking about was a war flag and the reason it's not used (commonly) anymore is that Japan isn't at war, not because of a flag change. And Germany changed back to the 1848 German Confederation flag. If anything, the Nazi flag was a brief historical aberration.
>>40749038>done for the wrong reasons >implying it wasn't mostly taxes and tariffs and a Republican controlled federal government >still believing the war was about only slavery Ishiggydiggy
>>40751974>playing a drowAnon, he said he didn't want his players to think he was a freak.
>>40767512The bitchfighting must be strong in that harem.
>>40745299>Have you ever dealt with slavery or indentured servitude in your games?Well, the first couple of sessions we had was me and another fellow going around raiding farming villages and taking captives. We stopped just short of 600~ after a while. Don't really need more after that. The fortress repairs are pretty much done at this point in time and my allies don't agree with my ideas for defenses. I just want ditches and a dry moat filled with the bodies of dead slaves. And pitfalls everywhere. Is that too much to ask?
>>40745299I started my last 40k campaign as a serf, so yeah.