so I was reading the 1d4chan page on Malal and was wondering where these designs for his daemons came from.Were these the original designs before they lost the copyright, or did /tg/ find some neat designs they felt were appropriate?
Art by the guy who did the daemons for Realms of Chaos for Malal, before they realised "hang on, we don't own this, that's bad for business".
why the bird motif? isnt that Tzeentch's thing?
>>39054250Back when I was a scrub and liked to homebrew to excess, I made a start on a Malal codex. I was thinking "chaos that undoes chaos..." and had just come off a major Abrahamic religion binge so I made a mediocre attempt at Chaos Angels. They were effectively the daemonic version of the Grey Knights, with each one having a psychic sigil (halo) of a certain level granting them certain perks and being very high cost per model. It went just as well as you'd imagine.Only real idea I feel is salvageable now was an angel based around transportation, i.e. a friendly shooting attack that let you deep strike a squad that could assault out of that deep strike.
>>39055060so a unit cannon?
>>39055253Pretty much that. Except with teleporting and magic bridges.
>>39055017Malal's daemons had no specific theme as far as I can tell.
>>39055374it seems kind of like an emaciated-skeleton-insect fusionwhich makes sense, because malal is a sort of parasite on the chaos gods, simultaneously feeding on them and fighting them
>>39055596thats a pretty good angle on things.so the way I see, the 4 chaos gods seem to represent something positive, twisted into something bad. Khorne with the lust for freedom turning into being free of even purpose and the concept of "allies". Nurgle would represent desperation and wanting things not to change. Tzeentch is ofcourse about knowledge and change with good intentions turning ill. Slaanesh being a "yearning for more" sort of thing.what "positive" spin is there to Malal?
>>39055677My guess would be something like temperance and self-control. He's a parasite, desperately trying to claw himself control over the others - in fact, that's all he does do. He's a super-ego gone utterly crazy, trying to co-exist with the other Gods but forcing them into submission in the process, and his relative weakness gives him no recourse but sheer, unmitigated brutality.
>>39055677freedom?speaking of chaos gods, I hate how tjere aren't any minor gods that manage to wiggle around between the big four. I would even like some kind of minor aspect of the four chaos gods, instead of just the monolithic, unchanging four and some daemons that are all either working for them or jobbers
>>39055774That seemed like the case to me from Kyras's speech in DoW II. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbmDLVFAaecHe amphesises that he is trying to find freedom from all things, from the Emprah, from honour, duty, meaning, purpose. Simply to exist without any ties to anything.Likewise Angron was desperately trying to escape the pounding of the Butcher's nails, and only ever came close to that in the mindless state of the berserker's rage.
>>39055596I consider Malal to be basically the opposite. Being a parasite implies that he's weaker or less important than the main 4. But the way I see it, Malal is to Chaos as Chaos is to the Imperium.His motives are incomprehensible. His victory is inevitable. His presence is everywhere. And the Chaos gods don't even realize it. Every time they destroy hurt the Imperium, he wins. Every time the Imperium hurts them, he wins. Every time some minor xenon empire gets destroyed, he wins. Every time some minor xenon race punctures the equilibrium and hits a major faction where it hurts, he wins. The entire rivalry between all the Chaos gods? He wins big time.The way I see it, the Chaos gods are simply manifestations of order within Chaos. While Khorne might destroy and burn, he wants a specific, human (or xenon) thing: fighting. Same for all the other gods. But Malal is pure, chaotic Chaos. He is the only one that can survive without sentient species and his victory will be absolute.
>>39056040holy fuck that's some dark shitwhat does he even want?
>>39056246does he even?
>>39055677One of my favorite custom takes on Malal is that he is individuality, the rejection of the collective and its mistakes, and audacity to think that in a galaxy of who knows how many, that you, and only you, matter in the grand scheme of things.This is why there are no grand armies to Malal, everyone who represents him is only out for themselves, unwilling to be subservient to anyone, and he wouldn't have it any other way.
>>39056535so invididuality meets selfishness?Itd be kinda interesting to go by that angle. would they have any interest in loot, love, lust? I imagine them hoarding shit. Never sharing. It'd certainly make them more unique and distinct since they wont just wear standard issue power armour. And Malal's own selfish nature would explain why equips so few people.
>>39056535That follows with the one champion of Malal that did exist in GW publication (Kaleb Daark).
>>39054250>About to post angry rant about newfags and tell you all to read the Kaleb Daark comics>Realize that I was in your place ages ago>MFW I have become that bitter, angry neckbeard of yesteryearI think in this moment, I understand the traitor marines more than anything before.Anyways, to avert this from being a wholely pointless post, I'd suggest you google 'The Malignancy of Malal'Won't let me post a direct link, but Realmofchas80s has several in-depth articles on Malal that are pretty much required reading, along with The Quest of Kaleb Daark.
>>39054250That looks like an undead hook-horror from Forgotten Realms.I always thought they sounded kind of dumb, but that picture is making me reconsider...
>>39056631The hoarding shit sound like a great idea. Another idea I just had is that deamons of Malal have a very "space dragon" look to them. Don't know about the lesser daemons, but the Greaters being dragons, complete with big ass hoard to sleep on is a great picture, with the Daemon Princes looking like Ridley from Metroid.
>>39055017>>39055374>>39055596>>39055677>>39055765>>39055774>>39055976>>39056040>>39056225>>39056246>>39056319I like you Anons. Malice is a parasite. He gets stronger when Chaos gets stronger. The reason why he isn't a major God is because he keeps putting power into followers. He is the Chaos God of Destruction, Anarchy, Nilishism, Self loathing, paradoxes, and Vengance. As Chaos Gods represent positive aspects too, what does Malice represent? Justice is one. Vengance is a corrupt form of justice. Malice hates himself and is insane. His madness became what it is now because the birth of Slaanesh drove him to think that everything is gulity.
>>39057308I was about to say, Malal as seen on 1d4chan actually does look kinda like a dragon. It'd fit the hoarding motif.Im not sure how I feel about the greater daemons being dragons though. It feels a bit unimaginative and I think Daemons generally should have some symbolism to them.Plus it should be in line with the mutations the god's followers suffer. Which begs the question, what do mutated followers look like? Do they get smooth skin like Slaanesh's followers, become pus riddled like Nurgle's, etc?If we are really pushing the dragon motif we could go with scales and shit. Im not too sure about that though.
>>39057372so his positive trait would be redemption in the sense that you'd try to make up for the bad shit you do, but that leads to worse shit?say you killed a child so to make up for it, you save a child by killing a city's worth of people.
>>39057391Not sure, like I said, It just popped in my head.
>>39057391imagine edge-lords incarnate
>>39057391Someone made an awesome quote about Malice and here it is:>"We shall deny Nurgle their flesh to fester and rot">"We shall deny Khorne their blood and skulls">"We shall deny Tzeentch their destinies and fates">"We shall deny Slaanesh their pleasure and pain">"Death to the Dark Gods">"For the Renegade God">"Let the galaxy burn!"
>>39057454Maybe. He is the God of Radical Inquisitors using Chaos against Chaos, people who let the hunt consume them, and knight templars.
>>39057551There needs to be more speeches in 40k, especially chaos
>>39057551so how would that apply in the "real" world, his champions are unaffected by Nurgle, sacrifices and kills made by his champions go to Malal instead of Khorne, fucks with Tzeentch's plan somehow or maybe the champions act as nulls? and I donno about Slaanesh. Maybe their weapons are an instant kill so there's not much pain or pleasure to be had.>>39057629I donno if I agree. I do like the idea of Malal aiding them in some way though. Im sure he doesnt care that people he assists dont worship him if they had no intent in doing so on their own innitiative.
>>39057922On that first part yes. You have to be That Guy to Chaos. You must cause the whole thing to crash. On that second thing, I didn't really mean that he is the God of Radical Inquisitors. I meant that radical Inquisitors who use Chaos have a better chance to fall to him. They have a chance to be approached by him for a job offering.
>>39057922malal's champions act like minor nulls because big M is slurping all the hate and pain all the hope and despair, as if through a straw it makes his champions very powerful but incredibly empathic they feel everything. Even if they managed to get away they get consumed instead Malal by his very nature encourages quick action
>>39056535>>39056631>>39057372I like this take on it. Malal is a free agent with a goal superficially in line with the other Chaos Gods but in truth antithetical to them; a self serving madman who seeks to cleanse the universe of the filth and insanity that infect it.He seeks death like Khorne, but Malal does not revel in the kill.He seeks change like Tzeentch, but Malal serves a single purpose.He strives towards a rapturous goal like Slaanesh, but Malal seeks to end sensation.He spreads dread and disease like Nurgle, but Malal shows no favour to those he corrupts.To be a Champion of Malal is to be a renegade, a monster, an outcast; to serve Malice is to be truly alone in a Universe filled to bursting with sentient life. Nothing is sacred to you, nothing is safe from you; your only goal is to sow chaos and destruction in any way you can be it assassinating generals, disrupting supply lines or inciting riots on otherwise peaceful worlds.Malice is and always will be. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Every thought echoes in the Warp, syphoning power from the Chaos Gods and feeding Malal. This is the source of his madness; he is constantly bombarded by the entire range of emotional and mental actions and reactions generated by a Universe full of life.Your joy feeds Slaanesh and the feedback creates sorrow. Your rage feeds Khorne and the feedback creates calm. Your plotting feeds Tzeentch and the feedback creates mishap. Your dread feeds Nurgle and the feedback creates hope. All these and more empower Malal to act. For as long as there are two sentient beings left in the Universe there will be Malice.And he will have his peace.
>>39058762so what is his endgame? If the chaos gods revel in perpetuated chaos and fighting in the universe, does he want peace, be it through the destruction of all life or the peaceful co-existance of it?
>>39058863I say anything that ends chaos. Whether it be the end of all life or the warp being banished from the immaterium, or even all the chaos gods being "destroyed". Even if that includes himself, fuck those other guys
>>39058863He wants to destroy Chaos probably first. As he is a God of Chaos, he knows how his kin corrupt mortals and manipulate events in the material realm to empower themselves like how the Big Four did with the Horus Heresy. So Chaos is the most guilty. He wants to destroy life for being gulity by association. So his biggest target is Chaos.
>>39055374reminds me of diablo
>>39058863He wants to destroy the universe. If there are sentient beings then he will experience their psychic feedback. A universe full of peace would drive him into a homicidal rage to dwarf even Khorne. A universe of healthy individuals would cover him in sores and plagues that Nurgle could only dream of aspiring to. A universe of moderation would drive him to heights of deviancy that would spawn a second Slaanesh, at which point Slaanesh would be supremely pleased and Khorne thoroughly pissed. A universe working in unity would facilitate all of his plots and schemes as never before, sowing discord that will wrack the universe for aeons. No, none of these outcomes will save him from the madness.There can only be silence.
>>39058971I'm thinking the main reason he hates Order is jealousy. He hates himself for being a Chaos God and doesn't want to be one. He hates the Emperor for being the greatest force of Order because he can't be a God of Order. But he still is the God of Justice. And his verdict is the Warp is gulity for manipulating the material realm to make it chaotic, and the material realm is gulity for aiding criminals.
>>39058971malal is principally the god of nihilism nothing truly exists. sure it exist but does it in the way that matters that lasts from the eyes of a being that has existed from the time the word no was first utteredorder falls to chaos chaos gives rise to order life to deathDespair to hope materium to immateriumimmaterium to materium no big four no big Eno lifeit doesn`t matter because it doesn`t exist in the way that matters
>>39059108jealousy does fit into the selfishness from individuality thing.
>>39059204There we go. He can't stand to look at himself as he knows he can't be what he wants to truly be.
please archive this thread, somebodythis is the best I've seen from /tg/ in a long time
>>39059385This man has the right idea.
>>39059413>>39059385https://archive.moe/tg/thread/39054250/4chan has been auto archiving stuff for a while now, right?
>>39059108>>39059204>>39059108The logic of that is hilarious.Malal: You're under arrest for attempted murder! And YOU'RE under arrest for aiding and abetting a criminal!Victim: What did I do? Why am I under arrest!Malal: You would have aided him in becoming a murderer had I not stopped you!The idea of him being a God of Justice is quite fitting given the billions of trillion daily injustices perpetuated by the Immaterium and Materium alike in such a grimdark setting. He is envious of the great things the Imperium could be but resentful of their stubborn refusal to change in a meaningful way. He is resentful of the things that Chaos embodies but envious of the way Chaos can change at a whim to reach it's goals.Malal wants nothing and everything, drawn in all directions by a need to destroy but unmoving in his inability to adopt a single approach. He is the god of paradoxes and through his ineffectual methods he is failing on a grand scale but highly successful on an individual basis.
>>39059443I think he meant on suptg.
>>39059270Maybe what he truly wants is to not exist at all, which can't happen so long as there is existence.Or maybe he wants absolutely nothing at all, like a mentally ill person who is content in their circumstance simply because being the god of pure chaos means that he can't comprehend his own actions.
>>39059481I like this.>>39059503That's probably a reason.
One thing that no one has mentioned is that Malal/Malice can enter the material world unlike the Big Four. All he needs is 11(his holy number) sacrifices of 11 of his chosen warriors and that's it. Such a Chaotic presence would be unlike anything the Inquisition has encountered. The Grey Knights would have to be armed with truly all of the good bits the Imperium has, like blessed Voltike guns, and be decked out in terminator armor. All of them. And they would know it would be suidice. Maybe only two Grey Knights would live. You'd probably have to weaponize the Astronamocon as it is the Emperor's will(right?) to even harm Malice.
So what would the Daemons, Greater and Lesser, of Malal look like? And the mutations his Champions receive? I feel like the Daemons would be superficially contradictory. Like a colossally muscular Daemon that uses ranged attacks but the attacks are somehow powered by it's strength. Perhaps the Daemon weapons of Malal embody a certain aspect and drains it from the host; a Daemon sword feeds on the strength of the host, a psychic artifact destroys the mind of the wielder with use, etc. Self destruction is one of his aspects, right?
So which is it? A living paradox who can't comprehend himself or a being who hates himself for basically being an unfulfilled individual mind
>>39059793He is insane. He can't comprehend his actions or his own motives most of the time, he merely acts out of spite and whim. During his lucid moments he yearns to destroy the Universe for the lucidity it will bring but he also hates himself for wanting to destroy the Universe and the horrendous things he does in his insanity.
>>39059793That there is the mystery. But Malice will serve his own warped, paradoxical justice.
>>39059710His corrupt aspect representing greed or selfishness would make that deliciously difficult.>>39059764I like your ideas but I think self destruction should be the result not the goal
>>39059710Perhaps a time of such ruination would be enough to force Crowe to finally fall for the Black Blade's honeyed words and use its power in the name of fighting chaos incarnated. The Grey Knights would need to be deployed on such a massive and sudden scale that they wouldn't have time to hide from the rest of the Imperium, maybe the Black Legion launches the final crusade and it starts the End Times.>one can only dream...
>>39059883Greed? I'm sure it's probably just plain old anarchy he'd cause.
>>39059710I feel like the only times Malal would choose to manifest is when he is able to fuck everybody's shit equally, say an event like the DoW games where all races have a stake, or nobody at all is going to benefit from his appearance. Things like manifesting in a Forgeworld beset by Chaos and Necrons while the AdMech battle desperately to defend it. Malal pops up, fucks up Chaos, repels the Necrons and then blows up the Forgeworld while trying to re-enter the Warp. Chaos lose a lot of men, the Necrons lose some important gear to the void of space and the Imperium lose a Forgeworld.Alternatively he appears on a Spacehulk and completely clears it out, then the Hulk drifts into Imperial space and when the search it they find the shattered, irreparable remnants of an STC.
>>39059920What we're forgetting is that Malice would be after Chaos too. Abby would have to stir up some really powerful Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes to try to even the odds in his favor. Malice would be attacking left and right, and the Emperor would probably pull something that would harm himself than he can probably take to help his most blessed sons for that battle. Maybe we'd see an Imperium version of a Waaaagggghhh! Grey Knighs and Sisters of Battle using their faith and purity to do something like Orks do with their gestalt field.
>>39059883The only way he can know peace is to silence the psychic feedback. Without the psychic feedback he has no power. Without the power he dies. Self destruction is his end goal but he only dimly realizes that through the miasma of emotion that he experiences constantly. All he truly wants is to be able to think clearly and for himself or, at the very least, to know peace. His only real option is to kill everything however.
>>39059992So it'd be like the final battle against Kyras with a scene where the BRs were moving down to the arena to face down the traitor?
>>39059925That was an idea i gave, rather that just anarchy, Malal is individuality combined with selfishness. >>39056631
>>39059925We were talking about that earlier in the thread
>>39060113>>39060151Oh. Well he is about the individual I guess. I always thought he prefers quality over quantity.
>>39059855So he's the Joker from Batman?
>>39059710>>39060170Agreed.He might only have that 11 man entourage, but they would have to be the upmost lethal, psychotic, and most cohesive anti-team individualists in the galaxy. Some real lone wolves.
>>39059764So would the Champions of Malice all be very versatile or exceptionally specialized? With individuality in mind that could be taken in either direction.They could be self contained sleeper cells acting as saboteurs, warriors and generally disruptive influences.Or they could be exceptional avatars of their chosen speciality; assassins without peer, orators to give Hitler a run for his money, etc.Which option makes more sense? Or perhaps it's both? The agents of Malice are so hard to spot because they have no uniform features; some are jacks of all trades while others excel in very specific tasks.
>>39060312Guardsmen rely on masses, become championsMarines are more individuals, become support.
>>39060312>>3906032711 individuals scattered across the galaxy that only come together through sheer chance. Only are they all assembled together and even more rarely still does Malal choose to manifest. For Malal to enter the Materium it requires all 11 of his Champions to sacrifice themselves so in their own best interests they very rarely appear together.
>>39060327Either or depending on their choice and past I'd say. Malalchamps hoard equipment to either not get caught off guard or to specialise
>>39060408I don't think we should limit him to *just* 11 disciples
>>3906044511 Champions but far more in the way of agents then? Those blessed by Malal are not all his Champions.
>>39060408After this thread dies we should totally dedicate a thread to making his 11 champions. All from such extremely diverse backgrounds: maybe a SoB that hunts witches for her own self gratification rather than the good of the Imperium, a member of the Fallen (Cypher?), etc.Like a chaos equivalent to the A-Team, except so individualist they might each truly believe that they alone are Malal's only subject. Really the possibilities are endless with some estranged being like Malal.
>>39060445I'm still not completely sold, but going by the individuality theme, summoning Malal requires 11 of his worshipers, people who all believe "I am the only being who truly matters" to sacrifice themselves.
>>39060312>>39060327>>39060408>>39060422>>39060470Guys, those 11 champions are already assembled. They are called Doomed Ones, and they come from the Sons of Malice. A formerly particularly loyalist chapter called the Sons of Malice. Some stupid Inquisitor asked them to help her purge a Hive World, probably got creeped out by how the Sons fought in complete, utter silence, and saw their victory celebration. Which was a somewhat gory cabalistic feast. She thought they were tainted, they weren't, and she ignored cabalistic traditions from other chapters. She called some squads of veteran SoBs(whatever they're suppose to be called) to help purge the innocent Sons of Malice during their victory celebration. This angered the Sons, and they killed the SoBs, and their chapter master ate the Inquisitor alive. The Imperium didn't like that. You know what the Sons of Malice did wrong? They didn't kill the inquisitor fast enough. Yes. If they had killed her sooner, they wouldn't have fallen.
>>39060613Woah, I messed up there. So yeah, even when they were loyal, they were called the Sons of Malice. And those Doomed Ones have to be ritually sacrificed to summon Malice.
Take the rot and make it fleshTale the skull. their soul to restTake their mind and give them peaceTake their will. Let sensation cease
>>39060724I like that.
Sons of Malice symbol.
>>39060724replace and with to. Replace their with the, then remove lets.
Chapter banner of the Sons.
>>39060724>...>...>...>*a renegade shuffles nervously in the eerie silence*ftfy
Current color scheme.
>>39060724>>39060846Take the rot, to make it flesh.Tale the skull, the soul to rest.Take their mind and give them peace.Take their will. Sensations cease.That's awesome.
>>39060913I'm adding this to the 1d4chan page.
>>39060924At least fix the second "Take". It currently reads "Tale".
>>39060913>>39060724you might wanna fix *tale*
>>39060913It can definitely use more work, but this is cool.To the Skin, IceTo the Rot, FireTo the Skull, SteelTo the Mind, NightDon't take the words literally.
>>39060897Loyalist look. Not much difference aside from the Beakie which must mean that Beakies equal loyalty. Funny thing about the sons. They were one of those chapters that were suppose to defend the Imperial area around the Eye of Terror. No one knows which Primarch is theirs, but one thought is either Ultramarines, but that wouldn't make sense as they had 11 companies, or Blood Angels due to their brutal cabalistic rituals. The wiki compared them to the Lamenters as the Sons of Malice gave off a baleful aura like the Lamenters do. But that doesn't make sense. If they were Blood Angels, they'd be bishies and have the Red Thirst and Black Rage. Maybe they're a Lamenters successor chapter back when the Lamenters were free from the flaws, but the Astartes Praeses have been around longer than the Lamenters. Me? I like to think they're Night Lords as Konrad was big on justice and Malice is the God of Justice after all.
>>39060913>>39061005These are awesome. I'm loving this thread. We shall give Malice justice and make Slaanesh pay for driving Malice to his current madness.
>>39061005basically1. Removal/slowing2. Action3. Justice/prison4. Oblivion
>>39054250Speaking of Malal. We really should finish the 1d4chan homebrew for Malal aligned Daemons. Currently, we're missing the Anarchy psychic discipline, daemon unique characters and maybe a Chariot Heavy Support choice.>>39061005I've figured out the metaphor to all of these except the third. Care to help me out?
>>39061040Something about the Night Lords doesn't say avid Malal worship to me. In fact they really make it a point to say they are atheist.Though they are selfish, greedy, anti-team, atheists hell bent on creating as much random chaos as possible for just for the sake of, and have no true leader. They fuck over other renegades as often as loyalists. And all of these are things the Outcast God represents, so maybe or maybe not.
>>39061180They serve him indirectly, as anything else does. >>39061132I assume you've seen >>39061131? I am curious how you interpreted it.
>>39061040Also I'm planning on writing a story with the last loyalist Son of Malice in the Deathwatch. At least twenty main characters, and the beginning scene with the loyalist Son and first meeting him with the music being the theme and making the other marines feel awkward: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=45zo9cB4ZL4
>>39061180Maybe they are such renegades that they refuse to serve the renegade god, in turn serving him more than they can possibly imagine?
>>39061180I meant loyalist NLs.
>>39061192>To the Skin, IceIce is cold, sensation-less, sterile.>To the Rot, FireThere are few things that don't die when exposed to an open flame. Completely scours life from it.>To the Mind, NightDarkness, dead, no cerebrum activity.I still don't see how your Justice/prison thing relates to 3.
Anyone seen Cobbler and the Thief? I imagine Malal's place to be a prison of abstract black and white shapes. Depth and pillars being in places you cant predict. Poor example related.
>>39061284Prison bars and scale weights. Bloodless, though it can take blood from others. Passionless and cold.
>>39061333Should I explain the meaning of the words on the 1d4chan page or just leave a disclaimer to not take the words literally?
>>39061290Let me get a link to the site. Turns out he has a fortress. He has some Greater Daemons of the Big Four trapped in prisons so each one can't do the thing they express. His symbols are a white and black skull, and a waning and waxing moon.
>>39061390It's madness, why should it need explaining?
>>39061390Put it in the discussion, but not on the page. It's an oath. Oaths are symbolic by nature so if someone takes that shit literally let them. It is good advice for dealing with chaos: Hit Noise marines with shit that degrades, slows, and deteriorates them. Burn Nurgle stuff, Kill Tzeentch psykers, Cut down Khorne. Simple. And yes, this >>39061427
Do as you will guys, I'm off to sleep.
>>39061407I know he has a fortress but I was under the impression it was also like a prison to him.either way I like the idea of his place being a mess of perspective and black and white shapes.
Oh, and here is something I found that a Malal/Malice cult would preach. http://iceriverguards.info/malal
>>39061462Night.>I haven't been part of a thread this fun in a while.
>>39061462Don't worry, Cap. This thread won't get lower in quality. I'm about to head off to bed too.>>39061474I never thought of it like that.
>>39061005>>39060913These would work as a cool two part prayer.>Take the Rot, to make it Flesh.To the Rot, Fire.>Take the Skull, the Soul to Rest.To the Skull, Steel.>Take their Mind and give them Peace.To the Mind, Night.>Take their Will. Sensations cease.To the Skin, Ice.A Cult of Malal could use that as a prayer or something.
>>39061132Statline for the Daemon LordWS 9 | BS 5 | S 9 | T 8 | W 9 | I 9 | A 7 | LD 10 | Sv 3++Costs 1111 points. Is a Gargantuan Creature (Unique).
>>39061635a cult of malal would almost have to be a circle of inquisitorial acolytes that have gone to far
The Hierarch of Anarchy and Terror demands this thread be bumped. May my trips be blessed.
im giving drawing some of this stuff a shot, any ideas?
>>39061949I guess maybe some symbols. The skulls and moons should be pretty easy.
>>39061949I'd love to see some Sons with bits of meat stuck in their vox grills, with bloody gauntlets, ravaged bodies of fallen marines around them.>if t-that's alright with you, anon...
>>39062054I'm liking that so far. As for me, I must go to sleep. That and my phone has 5% power left. Hopefully this thread will be still alive in the morning. I guess one thing you could do is Malice with a san-loss look in his eye as the Eye of Terror opens as the birth of Slaanesh probably is what got him so crazy now a days.
>>39062091Mad God's detriments be upon thee blasphemer, may your dreams be tainted and shall you face endless nightmares, none shall know rest until Malice has gone silent forever.>goodnight anon
>>39059151See I would't call Malal a nihilist the end of everything is still an end, I think Malal should be a Joyful creature like a Loki or an Anasi, who ruins everything simply for the joy of ruining it. You know that brother who kicked over your sandcastle, only to spend for hours rebuilding it just to kick it down? Malal. Peace treaty between the imperium and xenos? Malal will ruin it. Plans of Tzeench, guess what breaks down into a vast mess. Plagues of Nurgle, guess who delivers the cure.Malal is the creature that shrieks with joy in time to the howls of frustration of every being in the universe.
>>39064507I think tzeentch, cegorach, and the deciever already fill that roleMalal is an antagonist to everything, even himself
Emperor is Malal
>>39064692And Alpha Legion follows him
Wow, I love this thread. I love the idea of more minor Chaos Gods getting some spotlight.Would Malal really have cults, as such? Cult implies a hierarchy and such that goes against what Malal stands for. I imagine he has lots of lone followers, or has master-apprentice type traditions hiding in secret.I'm wondering how people first start communing with Malal. Is it by accident? Do they have to be mad? It would be a nice contrast to the Chaos Gods if you already have to be insane before you can talk to him, instead of them making you insane. Malal then gives you the insight to work through your insanity; he makes you sane.You know how people who are alone for a long time start to talk to themselves to fill the silence? Maybe when you are the last survivor on an overrun world, and your lasgun is half broken and you've got only one grenade left and you've stopped believing in the Emperor and you talk to nothing just so you won't die in silence, Malal is the one who talks back.
A while back ago an anon talked about Malal mutations. I don't think they should be dragon-like, as Malal's daemons, while certainly dragon-shaped, are decripid, derelict, emaciated, starved, insectoid. His champions should be likewise. They should be bony and skeletal, perhaps grow the beginnings of a carapace.Their bodies should conflict with itself, limbs not fit for the torso and whatnot. But each champion should be shaped to what she/he desires in their twisted minds. Their form and mutation should reflect their self-serving personality. After all, Malal is individuallity right?
>>39064673I'm scared now. Aang is a follower of Malal.>>39062599I like it.
>>39055374I remember ages back, people wanted to make a Malal codex, I mocked up these stats for that fucker.
So DW3, Grey Knights and Sisters VS Malice anyone?
>>39059710>blessed Voltike gunsWhat are voltike guns, by the by?
>>39065881he means Volkite
>>39065926Yeah. That's what I meant.
>>39065760So here's what I got so far on that. Dawn of War on crack. More characters to bring on missions and what not. Here's what I got for the Grey Knight hero group:CroweOrdo Malleus Inquisitor GK chaplain GK Grand MasterSoB heroes:A canoness with a mean streak that makes Ferrus Manus look nice. She would have morality that would make the GKs think she needs to tone it down.Ordo Heretius Inquisitor that would bicker with the Malleus one.A calm, cool headed Serphiam that would give an accuracy bonus.A naive, slightly airhead newbie that gives moral boost.
>>39061807Thats how deamons of Malal should look
Can Be'lakor be deamon of Malal?He is the only everchosen deamon prince,his mutation are rather Chaos Undivided, he is individual as fuck,uses other deamons as a tool
>>39056040>>39056225could Malal basically represent almost a sort of defense mechanism of the immaterium due to the still ongoing damage from the Old Ones initial damage to itthe chaos gods are the result of contamination and damage to the sea of souls, and Malal more or less works to see them dissipated back to a formless chaos sea and eventually a calmer sea of souls once more
Remember, the best god of Fantasy and 40k is Necoho.
>>39067128BEHOLD THE HERALD OF NECOHO
>>39067326lesser Daemons of Necoho
You know how in Black Crusade, when you get certain mutations, it gets a bonus depending on the God you worship? Or how their are mutations that you can only get if you worship a specific god?What would the Malal mutations be like?
>>39067413do you not wish for death?
>>39066802So who else likes this? Should I go with this?
>>39065218The statline has been changed since then. They no longer have a Greater Etherblade as default, now costs 210 points, has slightly weaker combat stats than a Keeper of Secrets (one less WS and Initiative) and a special rule that allows it to regain wounds from the act of your units harming other units.
>>39055774Fantasy thread derailed with that same thought. General consensus was "Nagash should be a Chaos God" and "Fuck Be'lakor".
>>39066999No, but Archaon can. Archaon wants no gods and no masters for any man, wants to kill everyone who claims to rule another. Be'lakor is the opposite, he wants to rule everything and be the sole Chaos God of a world stuck between Warp and Materium.
>>39067812I figured a greater Etherblade made sense given it's holding a sword.
>>39067326>>39067413>>39067624>Necoho having heralds or daemons.Are you stupid?
A thought on the ¨Malal gains a little bit of power from everything the other gods gain power from¨ partWhat if Malal gains most of his power through worship of the chaos undivided...? In a twisted way It would make sense for this antithetical creature to gain at least as much power from the worship of that which he hates the most as through direct venerance of his chaotic self
>>39054250Am I the only one who thinks all his daemons look like corrupted versions of the other gods daemons? Like this one looks like a fucked up tzeentch one>>39055374A twisted bloodletter etc
>>39058762>Nothing is sacred to you, nothing is safe from you; your only goal is to sow chaos and destruction in any way you can be it assassinating generals, disrupting supply lines or inciting riots on otherwise peaceful worlds.Pic related?
>>39068774>>39068774He gains power when Chaos in general grows in power. Comparing it from when the Emperor was born to modern 40k, I say it has grown a lot. The only thing keeping him from being a major God is he keeps putting power in followers with only enough to keep. Now that I think about it. Malice may be a balancing act to keep the Chaos Gods in line.
Fine, you have my attention.I'll answer questions based on what factual information is available and otherwise provide plausible hypothesis based on those facts. For now, I'm going to dump the concept arts for Malal's daemons.>Lesser Daemon
>Steed of MalalHere's where less-commonly known art starts rearing it's head.
Can anyone summarize all the things we discussed so far about Malal?
>Beast of MalalAs you can see, the themes are skull-head of some sort, human aspects, as well as insectoid/chitinous aspects. This is further reinforced in the short story "Labyrinth" by Richard Ford, a story about the Sons of Malice, which describes mutants and warp spawn with gruesome looks and chitinous features.You can find the full interview with the concept artist here:tinyurl MalalArt
>>39057922How about Malal being the gods of assassins? Champions of Malal (combining ideas from other anons)- Has instakill weapons denying Slaanesh of pleasure and pain- Are minor nulls to high nulls, with Malal itself being an Omega ++ class null, a null that is powerful enough to counter the alpha ++ psyker power of the Emperor, though not quite enough to counter Tzeench within the warp.- Are pragmatic to a fault, deny Khorne of his passion for freedom, martial power, mindless rage, etc.- Have spanking new equipments and keep them in top shape, denying Nurgle of decay- Act in an almost completely random pattern with a vaguely good intention (for redemption). Basically here is an freelancer hero assassin who just wants to save the galaxy, but not smart / powerful enough to make any real difference. Each of his action only adds to the chaos and mess that the galaxy is already in, because he constantly goes off to kill "bad" people, and yet in this universe full of grey, killing bad people often doesn't help at all...
>>39064753This anon sees the truth! I'm making my own csm army a mixture of sons of malice and the alpha legion. Fluff isn't finished, but essentially they work together to defeat chaos with chaos (preferably before the nids eat everything and beat them to it)
>>39070877Reminds me of Shadowrun bug spirits.
>>39055017>>39055374Bird isn't even universally Tzeentch. Just greater daemons and the odd reward mutation.
>>39067109That is a nice idea. Working well with the "assassins" idea too.
>>39057551these are very solid. I could see a sect of the dark-bagos forming neatly into Malice.THey could hate the gods and their constant belittlement and obstruction of True Mechanics/technological advancementthe uncertainties and confounding variables of Tzeentch that riddle any procedure with warp bullshitThe narrow scope and blind fevour of khorn that would make a researcher blind to alternatives.the aimless and won-ton excess of Slaanesh that leads to frivolities and misapplication of knowledge, and idolize the organic faults that have held back progress for all of history.and certainly the organic filth and lackadaisical mannerism of Nurgle that pollutes and taints scientific rigor and attention to detail, But Malice... Mallal... OH beautiful freedom, Oh focusing rage. the rage against the primitive, the powerless that emotional weakness that shackles both the followers of the corpse-god and the petty hoards of the Chaotic four.
>>39071593Morai-heg was all about Ravens, as was Morr.
>>39071833Nehekharan gods had buzzards too.
>>39071802>>39071818I'm liking this. Now I want to see some Dark Mechhancius in >>39065760And >>39066802
>>39068843Seeing as he is raw Chaos in its purest form, maybe those demons of other gods are just more refined versions of his demons.
I'll be attempting to make a Malal expansion for the 40k rpgs:>>39071502here's my draft for a sons of malice archetypeSons of Malice Space MarineCharacteristics: +5 Intelligence, +5 Willpower, +15 Corruption, +9 InfamyStarting Skills: Common Lore(War) +10, Deceive, Forbidden Lore (Adeptus Astartes) +10, Forbidden Lore (Inquisition) OR (The Warp), Interrogation, Intimidation OR Scrutiny, Linguistics(Sons of Malice Runes) OR Scholastic Lore (Cryptology), Trade (Armourer)Starting Talents: Betrayer OR Paranoia, Cold Hearted OR Orthoproxy, Combat Master, Crushing Blow OR Mighty Shot OR Fearless, Enemy (Inquisition), Hatred (Any Two), Meditation OR Pity the Weak, Nerves of Steel.Starting Gear: Best Quality Astartes Bolt Pistol OR Best Quality Astartes Bolt Gun, 3 Magazines, Astartes Chainsword OR Astartes Power Sword, Astartes Power Armour
>>39073333(Cont.)Special AbilitiesSilent WarriorAs is ancient tradition for the Sons of Malice to fight in complete silence this tradition is not without purpose in their fallen state as the great unbeliever grants them certain boons for creating order and chaos in the same actions. When an encounter begins (Ideally when initiative is rolled) the Son of Malice, as a free action, spends an infamy point and makes a challenging (+0) Willpower test and from then on can make no use of his voice or any talent relating to it (Such as Disturbing Voice or War Cry), while this may be a severe hindrance to his compact, when he does so he gains +11 to all characteristics except fellowship which effectively drops to zero for the duration of the encounter so long as he does not speak and gains +11 for every three degrees of success past the first. Every encounter won or lost employing this ability gains the Son of Malice +1 infamy whenever infamy is gained (Even if the battle is lost as his deeds are still recounted by his opponents as strange acts of abomination) if he did not speak throughout the conflict and -1 if he did after making the test (minimum 0) both of these apply even if he failed the willpower test and did not gain the bonus
>>39073348(Cont.)Victory FeastAfter a successful battle the Son of Malice sets down to consume that which he has rightfully claimed and eats, dead or alive, toxic or palatable, his enemy. When he does so with a live enemy he makes a Challenging (+0) Forbidden Lore (Adeptus Astares) test to make sure the ritual is done right (The difficulty rises to Very Hard (-30) if his foe has already perished) and if successful he gains the following for each degree of success: +10 on the willpower test the next time he enacts the Silent Warrior special ability (maximum +30), regain 1d5 wounds, OR regain 1 fatigue. This ability can only be used once per encounter as it has nothing to do with the actual flesh the potential Doomed One is eating but rather what it symbolizes and his dark master's enjoyment in it.Recent ConvertsAs the betrayal of the Sons of Malice Chapter was relatively recent in comparison to the horus heresy, the armoury of these traitors is far less degredated than that of their elder cousinsSons of Malice gain best quality bolters and do not roll for power armour customization, rather they start with 6 subsystems to reflect their relative newness (worry not, subsystems can still fail and customizations can still be made by the player)
>>39073233He is a parasite so he takes parts of other Gods' daemons. Even his teeth comes from different sources. Some is dragon, some is cow, human, and shark.
>>39073453I like to think that he is more than a parasite. He holds a core of unbreakable energy. the true facet of chaos; that it can only ever exist if it is absolute. A Dragon's molten heart of bitter self-destruction that keeps chaos circulating, keeps it from stagnating as the other four gods seem all too wont to do, even with Tzeentch there is stagnation. A self fellatio of schemes that only serve to open more doors, start more strings. a predictable cyclone that will just feed off it's own shit.Every time one follower turns on another, every Black Crusade killed in it's crib by the simple nature of chaos, Mallal gains strength, and rapidly dolls it out.
>>39073835I like the sound of that.
>>39073835Good to see the thread hasn't lost much steam since last night
>>39060897turn the gold into black and you have the best colour scheme possible.
Malal/Malice a shit. Where is my Necoho in 40k? I need my fedora tipping god.
>>39074840He is Malice! Don't you think it was possible that Malal decided to cause trouble twice as much than normal and spilt himself to Necoho and Zuvsian? Obvious they rejoined and now Malal calls himself Malice to freshening things up.>>39074783But you would have to put white in the black then.
>>39074840Why is he the fedora tipping god?I don't know anything about him.
SOme questions about cults of malal-WOuld they spring up in imperial held space? how would that work when it's kind of an anti-chaos cult? which the imperial cult already is?-Perhaps mechanicus circles in the know deciding they should be looking for more active ways to fight the filth that is corruption?-Shipmen aboard inquisitorial vessals being targeted by Malice demons because of their closeness to the imperial agents of 'Fuck CHaos'?-could there be any population of dual worshipers of Malice and Man? the God-emporor and Malal?
>>39076950Now those are good questions.
>>39077014>>39076950Would a Inquisitor know what a malal cult looks like? Would their taint 'feel' the same as the taints of the other gods?would an inquisitor 'in the know' change how they fight chaos to avoid malice taking conrtole? would they change how they fight to avoid the chaotic pattern of desperate redemption for past wrongs all in the intent of killing chaos... would they be cognizent of the risk of falling to chaos just to fight it?would such an inquisitor utilize cults that they do find as tools against other taints, or would they burn them with the rest?would any inquisitor or space marine take it 'upon them selves' and choose to fall to malal in the hopes/intent of taking the fight all the more closer to the heart of their foe? Could it be that they choose to be false martyrs 'do what has to be done' so others don't have to go to such extremes?
>>39077214Well Malice isn't well known so he's probably an urban legend to the INQ. As for his taint, maybe an increase of self-loathing and seeing things in black and white in a bad way? As for fighting him, there is only one option they could use. Pariahs.
Id just like to note, there CAN be champions of Malal too.
>>39058971>There can only be silence.But, if he wins and destroys the universe, wouldn't how he works cause the creation of a brand new universe?
>>39078192i'd like to think so. Yes. sad fuck.
I wonder how a daemon of Malal would be. Like, if Malal was still around how would they be.Or even if he'd make them, as in; could a daemon convert to Malal? Release from their chaos god and all, well thry do have a measure of free will.Or being forcibly converted to?
>>39070736>>39070752>>39070777Hey, drawfriend here. I don't know shit about 40k but these look a great deal like some stuff I did for /x/ back in the day. If you want, I can try and do some related requests if you like.
>>39078457I like to think of malal as a 'self corrupting' force. one that is born from growing hatred of chaos, in one way or another. A khorn bloodletter that just can not get past his pure hatred of Tzeentch's dustification of good bloody organics. SO he gets madder, and madder, until it turns into a self-fueling anger that shifts to malice. it falls away from the honor of battle, from the blood letting, from even the skull gathering as it discards it's old ways as too slow a tactic to end the schemes of the wretched changer. he turns to Malal inch by inch, thought by thought and may not even know it untill he looks in the proverbial mirror and knows that it's core is no longer sworn to the blood god, but the steel minded destruction of chaos.>>39078514nifty thrifty! If you'd be interested in trying your hand at the Bloodletter i just described, I'd be muc obliged.
Would someone ever willingly dedicate themselves to Malal the same way someone might dedicate themselves to the other Gods?You worship Khorne for martial ability, Slannesh for heightened passion, Nurgle for the will to live and Tzeentch for the will to power, but why would you worship Malal willingly?How do you think the Sons of Malice fell to Malal?
>>39078985He was there when the Imperium betrayed them, and they hate Chaos for framing them.
>>39078985The Imperium is wrong and the Emperor isn't a god, but Chaos still needs to be stopped. Fight fire with fire
>>39078670>>39078514I supose i should be more specific, one of these guys with chitinous parts instead of those bubblethings. and draconian highlights about the chest and legs, scales i suppose if you're doing weapons I feel an unadorned double-edged sword with the minimum needed for it to be a stably-thing; no details, nothing extra but the stabby bit and the slashy blade.Perhaps it's eyes are pitchblack with the rage it has with in.
>>39065150I like this. The idea that only the mad turn to Malal, that you have to have lost all hope and given up to even be contacted by him. I think it shouldn't matter if you are already following a chaos God for it to happen. The idea of even the corrupted can become corrupted. Malal is what goes bump in the night for a chaos marine.
So speaking of Malal.I was playing a Dark Apostle in a Black Crusade game, where we had this massive bitch of an inquisitor who tried to constantly thwart our endeavors. Being a Dark Apostle I made frequent use of Daemons, and she had a holy force spear that made short work of anyone that she came across. In the climatic battle of the world we had corrupted (which involved her defeating a flying Bloodthirster with her retinue on top a burning Warhound titan) I was able to finally engage her in combat and killed her. I took the spear for myself having been gifted psyker shenanigans by Tzeentch and the GM has a smug ass look when he told me the weapon was an affront to the Gods as it was holy.I named it the Point of Malice. It served me well.
So what kinda things would be ideal for a cult squad of mortal champions of Malal?A null aura that repulses any daemons, but not necessarily psykers?Hatred against all Chaos?
>>39081221Yes on the latter and maybe on the former.
>>39060913The oath of the Malal Lanterns.
>>39067562I like the idea of a Chimeric sort of Mutations.
Okay, how about some potential Malal recruits? First up is Shira Lucina Calpurnia.http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Shira_Lucina_CalpurniaAn Arbitor Senioris who performed magnifcently in her duty until the time when she was supposed to help hand over (legally) a Rogue Trader charter signed by the Emperor himself, a whole clusterfuck happened and the legal claimant decided to warp-nuke himself and take the charter with him because his entire family was murdered. And Shira let this happen because the Lex Imperialis said the charter was his to do as he wished. (But she did get a play written based on these events some time into the future.)But of course other people didn't take such a kindly eye to letting something with the blood of the Emperor on it be lost to oblivion and she got fucked to high hell and sent to a prison planet. But not before she took a nice side-trip to a bastion of Psykers to solve a murder, where just about everybody who wasn't her fucked up the investigation in some way or form.(she also resisted a mind-fucking that a head Psyker couldn't, revealed she killed a daemon (minor), and gained lots of psychic warnings about her being a "Judge in Crimson and Black".)
>>39086260So, she's now on this prison planet having been sent there for doing her duty (a big thing for her), and whatever complications she's suffering from have been mollified by the fact that she was able to "do her duty" in bringing the mentioned Psyker bastion to peace (Did I mention that she turned down an Inquisitional pardon so that she would do her term in prison?).And so, obviously, it turns out the prison-world is corrupt to fuck and operating under the full overview of an Inquisitor to find "cures" to Chaos-plagues i.e. Obliterator Virus.Here you can have a whole story on how Shira tries to connect a person's duty to the Big E and the LAW and what this Inquisitor is doing; shit goes down, Shira is the only survivor, infected with an attenuated form of the Obliterator virus and considering blowing her brains out so that her prestigious family doesn't find out about her (She comes from the Ultramarines homeworld as a non-snobby aristocrat) when in jumps Malice about the individual and how they are a law upon themselves. Basically he absolves Shira of her guilt and she agrees to take up a "holy" cause against a greater enemy than just man, Chaos.
>>39086260>>39086351I like it.
>>39059710He is the Individual 11, 11 Individuals that all read a treatise that does not exist. A stand alone complex, an imitator with no original, individual to the last. Even of these individuals there is one whose spite marks him as unique, who sacrificed his vendetta to manifest as a living God standing saint injustice and seeking to cleanse the chaotic order in fire. a god and a pawn to a scarred man's plots, but that man is undone by his own treachery, the revenge of the 9
>>39088607The actual mechanics have never been explained. I always assumed it would be like summoning a daemon. The Doomed Ones will explode, Malice will pop out. How the Galaxy could handle that much Chaos is questionable. But giving that it has handled the amount of Chaos in the past 10k years maybe a Chaos God won't screw reality up too much.
>>39088720The joke is that I am describing events from Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex: 2 . The parallels between the cult of individuals and a cult centered around mad gods who are believed into existence to fulfill a violent agenda are are amusing to me. The "11 people" was the real kicker.
>>39090032I didn't know that. But thanks for telling me.
>>39057551Hi, Tyranids and Necrons!
>>39088607I saw the anime, but never made a connection... excellent idea.
I say one more bump.
>>39060536So... The Individual Eleven?that works out too damn conveniently.
>>39061040Curze was a chosen of Malal all along
>>39094089More like Malal tried to corrupt him. All Malice did was make him crazy and the self hate.
>>39094089This...this makes sense...
>>39094221But it doesn't explain Nostramo. In my headcanon my daemon Prince based off and named the same as the Pun-Pun build of Tzeentch caused Nostramo to become the nightmare it was. But then again, what could you expect from the first daemon Prince of Tzeentch?
Bumping for great Justice.
One more bump.
Since all interest in this thread is dead as it will soon be, there is only one way for it to end. Thanks for making it OP, this was enjoyable and someone needs to archive this on suptg and it better be in the awesome vote area. I will now end this with Great Book of Dispair.
"...and he that went before now came last, and that which was white and black and all direction was thrown against itself. Grown mightily indignant at the words of the Gods, Malal did turn his heart against them and flee into the chambers of space . . . And no man looked to Malal then, save those that serve that which they hate, who smile upon their misfortune, and who bear no love save for the damned. At such times as a warrior's heart turns to Malal, all Gods of Chaos grow fearful, and the laughter of the Outcast God fills the tomb of space . . ."
"We shall deny Nurgle their flesh to fester and rot""We shall deny Khorne their blood and skulls""We shall deny Tzeentch their destinies and fates""We shall deny Slaanesh their pleasure and pain""Death to the Dark Gods""For the Renegade God""Let the galaxy burn!"
>>39091847Nids still have flesh to burn and a psychic presence to nullify. Necrons... I'm not so sure on. Do they have an impact on the Warp? I suppose not since they're soulless. Why could Malal want to destroy the Necrons?
>>39097239>And no man looked to Malal then, save those that serve that which they hateThis is probably the clearest explanation of Malal's servants in this thread yet. Malal is entropy; He is the chaotic tendencies of the whole to self destruct, to reconstruct, to die, revive and thrive through it's own anguish.>>39084511Perhaps the Mutations of Malice are as fluid as his sanity? The mutations are constantly change, not in any discernible pattern or to face any specific threat but rather for their own amusement. What was an arm made of tendrils has morphed into a large, serrated sword has split into a colossal claw has collapsed into an organic gun. Obviously it wouldn't happen that quickly but over the course of a week or so the mutation could take on one to three forms.You cannot plan ahead against Malal for there is no true face of Malice. Malice lives in the heart of all things and in all things does it sow a different seed.
>And no man looked to Malal then, save those that serve that which they hate, who smile upon their misfortune, and who bear no love save for the damned...I think the Soul Drinkers might actually be the defacto "Chaos Marines" of Malal.They were created as the result of a failed Tzeentch plot to turn some Loyalist Marines to Chaos by tempting them with an important relic, but they resisted and instead turned renegade.Whilst they aren't full-Chaos and they'd look upon any "gift" from Chaos with contempt and suspicion, I think they might (emphasis on 'might') be convinced to accept the help of Malal in fucking up the CORRUPT parts of the Imperium and the rest of the universe.No chance in hell of them dedicating themselves to Malal/Chaos though, they still believe in the Emperor on the Throne, firmly Loyalist in that regard.
>>39055677>>39055976>>39056040>>39058762To me Malal/Malice is Entropy, When the differences/conflict between Order and Chaos shrinks he grows in power. Those who turn to Malice are those who realize that Good and Evil, Order and Chaos only exist because they are capable of thinking so. It's why his demons were ether mindless monsters, enslaved demons of other chaos gods, or non existent. It's why he tortures the demons of other Chaos gods by removing the purpose they exist.
Well, considering I've got nothing better to do for the time being, I'mma have a crack at making Malal Marines.NULL KNIGHTS - ELITE - 18/ModelNull Knight - WS 4 | BS 4 | S 4 | T 4 | W 1 | I 4 | A 2 | Ld 8 | Sv 3+Null Champion - WS 4 | BS 4 | S 4 | T 4 | W 1 | I 4 | A 3 | Ld 9 | Sv 3+>Unit Type: Infantry. Null Champion is Infantry (Character)>Composition: 1 Null Champion, 4-19 Null Knights>Wargear: Power Armor, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Frag & Krak Grenades>Rules: Champions of Chaos (Null Champion), Mark of Malal, Hatred (Chaos), Fearless*Null Aura - All models with the Daemon USR that are within 6" of the Null Knights must move as if they are going through Difficult Terrain.Options>Can take an Icon of Anarchy - 20 pts>Null Champion can take an Gift of Mutation - 10 pts>Null Champion can take melta bombs - 5 pts>Can take VotLW - 1pt/model>Null Champion may become a Psyker. If he does so, he must choose one power from either Daemonology discipline....It's a start, but I am uncertain if the ability to take Daemonology is a fair one.
>>39107797Why two attacks base?>Fuck off Sticky. April Fools was over two days ago so you shouldn't even be here anymore.
>>39107884>Fuck off [s4s]. April Fools was over two years ago so you shouldn't even be here anymore.
>>39107797I'm don't think this is very good. The gimic that they have is incredibly limited to only fighting chaos while every other unit dedicated to a specific god has their gimmick be universally useful. I would recommend giving them an option where they could replace their Chainsword with a Boltgun or just buy a Boltgun, give them access to special weapons, the Champion access to the Ranged Weapons and Melee Weapons lists and drop their attacks back down to 1 and 2. I wouldn't put this into the fandex, just leave it in the discussion section until it can be improved.
Huh, you guys have made some great progress. I'll be keeping tabs.
>>39109875Yeah, I honestly was having a damned hard time figuring a reliable gimmick that wasn't anti-Chaos.I was originally planning on something about inverted saves like how Grav-weapons did it, but it started getting too complicated that I just gave up on it.
>>39103357>This thread still lives>destruct, to reconstruct, to die, revive and thrive through it's own anguish.I think that explains this thread.>>39105257Yes they are.
>>39097364Malal is as against everyone as much as he's against the other Gods though
>>39113980I know that. That's for when he goes against Chaos.
I'm thinking on that DoW gsme where you fight Malal, when you beat him he'll turn into his symbol and unleash a mad laugh