>>38735816>>38735819>>38735823>>38735846>>38735848>>38735852>>38735860>>38735891>>38735897>>38735909>>38735928>>38736021You eat your breakfast, having quite the appetite despite your nerves. Your mother has cooked a delicious meal as always, and you savor every bite of it.Once you've finished eating, you rush upstairs, finding the bag of unlimited Senzu Beans Shenron gave you. You don't want to risk Cell destroying it, so you put two dozen beans in a pouch and take that instead.You run downstairs, giving each of your parents a big hug and telling them that you love them."We love you too, so much," your mother tells you as she plants a kiss on your forehead."And we're proud of you," your father adds."I'll be back," you promise before walking out the door, followed by Nappa and Sixteen. The three of you take to the air, flying to the arena where the Cell Games will take place. None of your friends have arrived yet, but you're not the only ones there, as you spot Hercule and a reporter standing outside of the ring.As you land, Cell smiles, glancing towards you. "Finally, I've been looking forward to this for a long time, Kaguya. I hope you won't disappoint me."He glances over at Nappa. "And Nappa, good, I was hoping to see what you're made of."Nappa smirks at Cell, who glances at Sixteen."I'll admit, I'm surprised to see you here, Sixteen," Cell says. "Have you really come here to fight?"Sixteen says nothing, staring at him coldly.>A. Ask Cell if he's ready to fight>B. Tell Hercule that he might want to stay out of this>C. Stay quiet and wait for the others to arrive>D. Something else
>>38736171>B. Tell Hercule that he might want to stay out of this>D. Something else"Hey Mr.Satan how are you and Videl?"
>>38736171>>A. Ask Cell if he's ready to fight>B. Tell Hercule that he might want to stay out of this
>>38736171>B. Tell Hercule that he might want to stay out of this
>>38736171>D.Ask Cell if he's ready to DIE.
>>38736171I just had an idea.Most planets are pretty barren(Even Namek was still recovering), and on desert mountains Saibamen had a power level roughly equal to Raditz, using relativley poor soil.What if we had Yamcha IT into a Frieza Planet warehouse and dumped a bunch of them into high quality fertilizer? It could at least keep Cell busy for a few minutes.
>>38736205this.also fuck Cells rules. gang up on him to ensure the asshole dies.
>>38736171>A. Ask Cell if he's ready to fight>B. Tell Hercule that he might want to stay out of this
>>38736171B, "now is not the time to put on your show Mr. Satan. Cell is extremely dangerous, and could kill you with a blink."
>>38736171>>B. Tell Hercule that he might want to stay out of this
>>38736171>B. Tell Hercule that he might want to stay out of thisAppeal to his ego. "You shouldn't have to dirty your hands squashing this overgrown bug, leave it to us amateurs to put a weakling like Cell in his place."
>>38736171>A. Ask Cell if he's ready to fight>D. Something else"Here to commentate on the matches Mr. Satan?" Give him an out.
>>38736171>>B. Tell Hercule that he might want to stay out of thisTake him to the side away from the reporter."Listen I know you have to be here, but don't fight him. This battle is going to full of those 'tricks' and 'lightshows' you hate. In fact those may be the only way to beat him. Keep your head down."
>>38736171>A. Ask Cell if he's ready to fight>>B. Tell Hercule that he might want to stay out of this
>>38736171>A. Ask Cell if he's ready to fight>B. Tell Hercule that he might want to stay out of this>C. Wait for the others to arrive
>>38736242It's still a stupid idea that will get the planet blown up. It's like you've forgotten about his ability to Time Stop and run so far away we can't track him.
>>38736205This and>D. Something elseOut pose Cell before everyone arrives
>>38736242Fuck your suggestions.
>>38736263God I hate Hercule, but this is a good idea. Supporting
>>38736297and again how is that different from us going solo against him? Unless you're saying we should be evenly distributed across the planet there is nothing that cell can't do against a single one of us that he can do against all of us.
>>38736307No, that is for when the games start and the cameras are rolling.As is this pre-match promo.>Well look here Cell. I've fought Saiyans, galatic tyrants, demons, creatures that were literally immortal, androids, and cyborgs and through all of that I've never backed down, and I won't back down from you either. You claim to be perfect, you claim to be the strongest there is, but I've heard that before. If you think my friends and I are are going to let have your way with Earth you better think again. No one messes with my home and gets away with it. Cell you better be ready, because I'm about to step into this ring with you, and you won't be the one walking out. I hope you're ready Cell, because I am going to end you.
>>38736171>C. Stay quiet and wait for the others to arrive
>>38736330AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINEWHATBECAUSE KAGUYA PENDRAGON SAID SO
>>38736327His ego is the difference. If we fight him one on one he's not going to opt to blow up the planet so long as he thinks he has a chance of winning. He will however throw a Frieza level tantrum if we don't play his game and fight him one on one.
>>38736352No, we are not going SCSA. If we want to steal from someone let's steal from either Warrior's last promo on RAW or from Hulk Hogan, brother, and unleash Kaguyamania.
>>38736379A Macho Man or The Rock are also acceptable.
>>38736401>>38736379Why not bo - er, all of them?
>>38736367So you'd rather he kill us one at a time while using the aforementioned timestop rather than at the same time. because the way you're making it sound like the fight is either going to be Cell just blowing everything up instantly or we fight him one on one and somehow that stops him from using his skills.
Guys, maybe we should tone it down? Its time for srs and if we get all theatric we'll just embolden Hercule and the coverup he will likely still attempt.
were forgetting our theme music. Someone post it.
>>38736435If he believes he has us outclassed he won't timestop. Besides we can teleport too, and as such we can blast him point blank to prevent a time stop escape or knock the wind out of him so he can't hold his breath.>>38736441We don't have theme music. We never agreed to one. I still think trolls us and play's William Regal's "A Real Man's Man" theme. As for what it should be I'd like Kurt Angle's WWE theme, Ric Flair's, something classical, or Duel of Fates.
So legit question guys while we wait for DRALO to update, was Vegito alive, dead, or half-and-half?
>>38736435Did you not watch the fucking show? Do you really not get his very basic personality at this point? If we fight Cell we have a chance of beating him. Ganging up on him is a fucking dumb idea because yes, he will blow up the planet instead of giving us a fighting chance. If we fight him he will try to prove his superiority by defeating us directly. He won't run away, his ego literally won't let him run from a single opponent at this point.
>>38736441>>38736513It's obviously this. What else do we do BUT this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-QD_HIfjA
>>38736517Did he have a halo?
This doesn't feel right guys. We're going overboard with the cheese. Can't be tone it back? Like the Frieza fight? Just trashtalking instead of all this showboating?
>>38736517Didn't King Yemma grant Vegeta his body/life back so he could go to Earth?
>>38736532OF COURSE, it has to be this.
>>38736540Too many wrestling fans in here for that anon.
>>38736513so we can stop him from timestopping and teleporting giving us a chance to gang up on him.>>38736531and again if we're weak enough that he can just do that we're not challenging enough for him to enjoy himself.
>>38736540>>38736563We got people who made our release word for the cuffs as "Henshin." It's too late to stop Kaguya from hamming it up by this point.
>>38736205>>38736220>>38736221>>38736247>>38736251>>38736258>>38736263>>38736267>>38736271>>38736283"Hello, Mr. Satan," you greet Hercule. "How are you and Videl?"Hercule grins in your direction. "We're great, Kaguya, and I'm ready to tear Cell to pieces!""Tell me, Mr. Satan, who is this young man?" the reporter asks."This is Kaguya, one of my finest students," Hercule tells him proudly. "Those of you back home probably saw him fight the Saiyans as a child, and his little faceoff with Cell in the ring a few days ago.""Oh, yes, the remarkable young man who vowed to destroy Cell!" the reporter says dramatically. "Ladies and gentlemen, now two of the world's greatest heroes have arrived! Cell must be terrified!""Mr. Satan, you shouldn't have to dirty your hands squashing this overgrown bug," you tell the champion. "Leave it to use amateurs to put this weakling in his place."Hercule chuckles to himself. "Well, alright then, I suppose I don't much have to worry about handling this myself when my top student's so eager. He's all yours."You look over to Cell. "So, are you ready to fight.""Patience, Kaguya," he tells you. "Let's wait for the others to arrive, shall we?"As if on cue, several powers begin to approach rapidly, and one by one, your friends land all around you, ready to fight Cell to the bitter end."More competitors have arrived, seemingly dropping from thin air!" the reporter shouts."Welcome, gentlemen," Cell greets cordially. "Now, let's see. Fourteen fighters. Excellent, this should prove most entertaining.">A. Tell Cell that you'll fight him first>B. Ask Gohan if he wants to step in first>C. Ask Goku if he'd care to do the honors>D. Something else
>>38736586Fuck off. This bullshit where we have to do the absolutely most effective damage control choice every time is boring as fuck. Besides that, if we even tried, Cell would blow up the fucking planet because we broke the rulesDo you niggers not understand that Cell can fight in space and we can't? If we break his rules and can literally just go "Whatever" and blow up the fucking sun if he wanted to
>>38736600>C. Ask Goku if he'd care to do the honors
>>38736600>C. Ask Goku if he'd care to do the honors>D. Something elseTag team with Gohan
>>38736600>>D. Something else"Cell you must be very confident if you think you can fight all fourteen of us and come out unscathed?"
>>38736600D, so how are we figuring out who goes first?
Rolled 12 (1d14)>>38736600>>D. Something elseLET THE DICE DECIDEI'll let DRALO decide the order if this even has a remote chance of winning
>>38736600I know I'm probably the only one who wants this but...>D. gang up on the bastard.
>>38736600Oh wow, I can't believe that my suggestion of what to say to Hercule actually worked.
>>38736600>D. So what're you planning? Why a tournament if we're all just here to beat you?
>>38736600Do we know the rules that Cell put in place?
>>38736634Second, we fight with our brother in arms together, just like we did with the saiyans. Today Kaguya and Gohan become the men, growing up from the children they were during the saiyan invasion.
>>38736586We can try to cock block his time stop, but we don't know that we will succeed. And then because it's an all out war at that point, he vanishes absorbs a friend we teleport to him, he time stops, absorbs a friend etc and now he's too strong for us to beat. That's if he can't just blow up the planet without us being able to stop him (which he can). We are around equal in strength to him with the cuffs off but we don't have a solid means of stopping him from abusing his powers to target the others or the planet if he gets far enough away.
>>38736670Same as the world tournament
>>38736627please note what I said about Kaguya being a challenge. Cell is doing this because he's bored. If we're weak enough that he can just eliminate us by destroying the planet we're not strong enough to entertain him.
>>38736689Remember DRALO WWE style color commentary .
>>38736693Destroying the sun/planet is a lot easier than actually defeating Kaguya.
>>38736688which he'll do anyways when he's desperate enough to actually take us seriously.
>>38736699We need good ol JRBAH GAWD AS MY WITNESS HE IS BROKEN IN HALF
>>38736600>C. Ask Goku if he'd care to do the honorsWe got the last one I think and I know Goku wants to fight him bad.
>>38736699Is this really the time for it? it's literally do or die.
Also for theme music I still stand by what I said here >>38736513 but add indy Dabiel Bryan in too.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcwAlso we need to ask for a full list of rules and regulations, check if anyone else brought some Senzu Beans, and ask Cell why there aren't stands and an announcer. Seriously, just a single reporter who follows Hercule around, kind of lame. Let's see if we can get heel King and JRS expies.
>>38736723Yes, we might need some humor for this one since it is do or die.
>>38736723They're wrestling fans DRALO. They don't care as long as its cheesy as fuck.
>>38736740Nah. We can do better. We have the power:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeUMCgZdEyU
>>38736639The way of the Ginyu Force! A rock paper scissors match.
>>38736693You are an idiot. There would be NOTHING any of us could do if he decided to blow up the planet this very moment. None of us can breath in space like he can.
>>38736772No, we are not Johnny Ace, VP of Talent Relations. Though we can wish Cell best of luck in his future endeavors right be we kill him.
>>38736600>>C. Ask Goku if he'd care to do the honors
>>38736723Eh, only if you want to. Personally, I'm fine either way.
>Cell's activated his self-destruct>all hope seems lost>just when he's about to explode>Yamcha's about to step in>we place our hand on his shoulder and shake our head>Tell everyone goodbye>Pull a full powered Instant Transmission out of our ass and bring Cell with us to a very familiar ki source>We warp to Garlic Jr., still tumbling through the depths of space>"Hi., remember me?"
>>38736806please look at>>38736710
>>38736772everything is made better if it has the transformers movie soundtrack
>>38736815Read the lyrics.
>>38736834Shit that'd be hilarious.
>>38736841Do you not understand that ganging up on him will break his rules and he will blow up the planet then? It doesn't matter if he MIGHT blow it up later, he WILL blow it up now if we do that
>>38736834Cell absorbs Garlic Jr.'s Cells, and literally becomes immortal.
>>38736834>"Behold the might of the Big Gete Sta- what the hell is that thing?!">Cell: "WUUUAAGGHHHHH">Explosion seen in the distance as the Big Gette Star is wiped out.
>>38736532Maybe personalize it bit for DBZ and Kaguya. Just a little harder and non-80's.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsd5GdDCnTM
Do we KNOW Kaoiken?I realize we'll explode when we use it, but it would be a good suicide move.
>>38736899so your plan is to hope your enemy is a moron and that everything will work out?
>>38736929Are you seriously this fucking retarded that you haven't grasped Cell's personality yet?
>>38736689He only stated, death, ring out, giving up, and not answering a ten count is a loss. IC we never heard anything else. Hence we want a full detailed list of rules and regulations so we don't get DQ'ed for hitting him with the steel folding chair we find in Hercules vehicle.
>>38736929Our plan is to beat him in single combat while taking his personality flaws and abilities into account instead of trying to bum rush him and failing horribly due to his personality traits and powers.He can move to the other side of the planet to blow it up if he has to. Your plan is suicide and ill thought out.
>>38736953He is shitposting at this point anon
>>38736929Well it worked out in the fuckin show didn't it? Your plan is 100% death.
>>38736983inb4 he couldn't time stop in the show
>>38736630>>38736634>>38736637>>38736668>>38736718>>38736721>>38736812>>38736820"Cell, you must be confident if you think you can fight us all and come out unscathed," you comment.He smiles. "Confidence is just a part of my perfection. Though, truth be told, I'm hoping not to come out of this without a few injuries. After all, when the fight is entirely one-sided, it's really not much fun.""But why a tournament if it's going to be all of us against you?" you ask."Because, it's not just going to be all of you against me," Cell tells you. "You see, I get the feeling that not all of you will be able to provide me with a suitable challenge, so, I've decided on a preliminary of sorts. One moment."As you watch, several small, blue creatures seem to appear out of nowhere behind Cell. Upon closer inspection, you see that they seem to be miniature versions of the monster you've come to kill."I'm not sure what I'm seeing, folks!" the reporter says. "A host of tiny creatures have appeared around Cell!""Behold, my wonderful children!" Cell announces. "They will be your first opponents. You will each fight them one on one. If you manage to defeat your foe, you will earn the right to challenge me. Now, who would like to go first?""Goku, would you like to do the honors?" you ask.Goku grins confidently. "Sure, I'll fight.""Don't start without us!" a female voice shouts from above.>A. See who it is>B. Tell Goku to go ahead>C. Ignore the sound>D. Something else
>>38736998He also wasn't up against an army of Buu-level fighters in the show. He was up against Goku and Gohan
>>38736904https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhVCoTsBaMA bit much but I think it might work.>>38737014>A. See who it is
>>38737014>A. See who it is>B. Tell Goku to go aheadOh boy, is it time for Cello?
>>38737014>>A. See who it is>>B. Tell Goku to go ahead
>>38737014A, and if it is Videl tell her to get out of her now.
>>38737014>A. See who it is>B. Tell Goku to go ahead
>>38737019He also wasn't beyond Buu-level himself.
>>38736953when he feels threatened he starts reducing risks.for example the HBT.>>38736968both goku and yamcha are capable of IT, we have trained to resist his psychic abilities and in general everyone is more evenly powered. going up against him alone is just playing into his strengths just as much as it is playing against his character flaws.
>>38737014>A. See who it is>D. "Wow, I wonder where he learned to do that." and look at Piccolo
>>38737014>A. See who it is>B. Tell Goku to go ahead>>38737048It's Miss.Piiza, looks like Yamcha is going to score some points
>>38737014>>A. See who it isCould the legends be true? Is it XCOM here to save the day?
>>38737057So your response to that is commit suicide?
>>38737014>A. See who it isOh for fucks sake. They're going to die.
>>38737048It's ms Pizza.>>38737057I wonder if Perfect Cell could last long enough to fight canon Vegito. I wonder if he could pull out a win.
>>38737063Goku doesn't have IT.
>>38737014>A. See who it isProbably Videl, but if we're exceptionally lucky it might be 11 and 12.
>>38737014>A. See who it is>B. Tell Goku to go ahead>D. Something else"Hey Gohan do you get the feeling of deja vu, this seems similar to the saiyan invasion"
A and B, and sense how strong the Cell Jr. is and see if it is stronger than us with the cuffs on.
>>38737063Goku doesn't know the IT and because everyone rushed to Cell games or messed around with weaker opponents we don't know if our psychic defense helps vs his time stop yet.
>>38737097oh shit you're right. well atleast 1 has proper IT.
>>38737014>D. "Wait, your children...You're female? But isn't Cell a boy's name?"
>>38737067>Sniper, what are the chances for a shot on Cell?>99% chance to hit!>Take the shot now!>Miss
>>38737128it better or these games are going to end before they begin.
>>38737111Add D to >>38737121 let's call out Cell on his lack of creativity. He might call of the Cell Jrs.
>>38737083>commit suicideWot. I thought we were just listing off how different the Cell Tournament is from canon.
>>38737136Finally, we get to turn it around on someone. Let's do it.
>>38737172No, one anon was suggesting we say fuck Cell's rules and attack him all at once. If we don't play his game he's just going to destroy the planet.
>>38737180>>38737136Yeah, I'll back this too.
>>38737136BACKING THE FUCK OUTTA THIS
>>38737136About time we got to say this.
>>38737136Cell isn't actually a name, so it wouldn't have a gender connotation. I get that you're trying to make a joke off the existent joke, but it's kinda stupid.
>>38737136This so much.
>>38737214>>38737199>>38737181>>38737180>>38737152>>38737136>>38737121>>38737111>>38737102>>38737099>>38737086>>38737067>>38737066>>38737064>>38737055>>38737046>>38737044>>38737030"Hey Gohan, you getting a sense of deja v-wait, your children?" you ask, turning your attention back to Cell. "Isn't Cell a boy's name?""I inherited Piccolo's cells," he reminds you. "As such, I can reproduce asexually."You take a moment to sense the strength of these new creatures. They're not as powerful as their father, but they're still damn strong. Underestimating them is not wise.Looking up, you see a hovercraft move over the ring, and a pair of men leap down from it, one of them a blonde man with white clothes, and the other a large man in blue clothing and a ridiculous mask.The two men land back to back and strike a pose as a pretty redheaded woman in a tight dress lands behind them."Goku, you should go ahead," you suggest to your friend."It seems we have new arrivals!" the reporter shouts. "Who are these mysterious individuals?""They're students of the one and only Mr. Satan!" the woman says, sauntering over to the reporter. "Caroni, and Pirozhki!" "I see, and who might you be?" the reporter asks. "I am Miss Piiza, their promotional agent!" the woman announces."Now, ladies and gentlemen, we'll handle Cell and the little freaks he brought with him," Caroni announces."Cell Junior, take care of this," Cell instructs one of his children as he and the others hover out of the ring.>A. Tell Goku to go now!>B. Tell Caroni and Pirozhki to get out of the ring>C. Ask Caroni how he's been>D. Something else
>>38737384>>A. Tell Goku to go now!>>B. Tell Caroni and Pirozhki to get out of the ring
>>38737384>A. Tell Goku to go now!>B. Tell Caroni and Pirozhki to get out of the ring>C. Ask Caroni how he's been
>>38737384>DKnock them out and put them by Hercule
>>38737384>A. Tell Goku to go now!>B. Tell Caroni and Pirozhki to get out of the ring>C. Ask Caroni how he's been>D. Something else"Hey Yamcha do you know that woman?"
>>38737384>C. Ask Caroni how he's been
>>38737384>A. Tell Goku to go now!>B. Tell Caroni and Pirozhki to get out of the ring>D. Something elseKnock them out so they don't get themselves killed.
>>38737384>>A. Tell Goku to go now!>B. Tell Caroni and Pirozhki to get out of the ringand thus the first casualties were had.
>>38737384>>A. Tell Goku to go now!>B. Tell Caroni and Pirozhki to get out of the ring>C. Ask Caroni how he's been
>>38737384>C. Ask Caroni how he's been>B. Tell Caroni and Pirozhki to get out of the ring
>>38737425Let's not try to pair them up considering what the wiki says.>It is hinted that she and Mr. Satan may have had some sort of an affair. At one point during the Cell Games, Mr. Satan grabs a hold of her in fear and she blushes and replies "We're in public". Mr. Satan immediately releases his hold on her and she comments "You haven't done that in a while..."
>>38737384>D. Something elseIT them out of there >A. Tell Goku to go now!>C. Ask Caroni how he's been
I DON'T BELIVE JR, MR.SATAN'S STUDENTS HAVE ENTERED THE RING AND ARE GOING TO FIGHT CELL. THEY ARE EITHER VERY CONFIDENT OR VERY STUPID.
I hope Dralo doesn't go grim dark with the gag characters here. Let them get reckt and survive via plot armor as always.
>>38737384>A. Tell Goku to go now!
>>38737425This, want to see how he reacts now without his fear of woman
>>38737425How would Kags make that connection man?
>>38737384Ask the big guy if he is the guy we lifted over our head and threw from the ring one handed back at Satan Castle, then C.
>>38737384>>38737384>A. Tell Goku to go now!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E6vs0LrldEHYPED
>>38737534>"They're students of the one and only Mr.Satan!" the woman saysYamcha was at Satan Castle with Goku
>>38737399>>38737409>>38737422>>38737425>>38737430>>38737441>>38737446>>38737450>>38737501>>38737570"Yamcha, do you know that woman?" you ask your friend.He nods. "Ran into her once at Satan Castle."Piiza glances your way. "Oh, I remember you. So, you are a martial artist, just not one of Mr. Satan's students?"Yamcha grins. "Professional Baseball player, Professional Martial Artist, and all around amazing guy, Yamcha."Piiza giggles. "Well, we'll have to see if you can prove that.""Caroni, how have you been?" you shout to the blonde martial artist.He doesn't even look back at you. "I've been wonderful, and I'll be even better once I've crushed Cell.""You two should get out of there," you suggest."I don't think so," Caroni tells you. "I'm not letting you hog the glory. No, I'll show everyone who Mr. Satan's greatest student really is."He produces a bouquet of roses seemingly out of nowhere, and proceeds to chop them to pieces. "I've already laid out flower for the funeral," he boasts.Pirozhki removes his mask, crushes it into a ball, then swallows it before growling at the Cell Junior."Goku, go, now!" you tell your friend, who nods and steps into the ring."Now wait just a moment!" Caroni insists. "Who do you think you ahhh!"The Cell Junior rushes forward, punching Caroni from the ring before spinning and kicking Pirozhki off into the distance."Well, now that that nonsense is out of the way, let the Cell Games begin!" Cell declares."I can hardly believe what I've just seen!" the reporter shouts. "The tiny Cell just effortlessly defeated two of Mr. Satan's greatest students! Mr. Satan, thoughts?""Well, obviously this ring has been rigged with traps and tricks by Cell," Hercule insists. "Caroni and Pirozhki were just careless, but Kaguya won't be. So let this amateur fight for now, but the real show comes when Kaguya fights.">A. Watch Goku fight>B. Go talk to Hercule>C. Go talk to the reporter>D. Something else
>>38737793>>A. Watch Goku fight
>>38737793>A. Watch Goku fight>C. Go talk to the reporter>B. Go talk to HerculeIn that order.
>>38737793>A. Watch Goku fight
>>38737793>D. Something else"Gohan want to tag team together for our round?"
>>38737819You should probably specify what you want to talk about
>>38737793>C. Go talk to the reporterSPEECH
>>38737837Provide commentary for the fight to the reporter in case the camera can't keep up with it?
>>38737793>B. Go talk to Hercule"Guessing Videl showed you she can fly now?">C. Go talk to the reporter"Hi Mom, Dad, and Icarus"
>>38737793>A. Watch Goku fight>C. Go talk to the reporter
>>38737793A, learn what we can of their abilities. Also ask Cell how exactly this works. We fight the mini you then you right after or wait until everyone has fought your mini yous?
>>38737793>A. Watch Goku fight>B. Go talk to Hercule
>>38737863>>38737850These, challenge Cell to a pose off while the fights go on
>>38737793>B. Go talk to HerculeI wouldn't under estimate Goku mister Satan.
>>38737918Seriously? Fate of the Earth lies in our hands while we fight a mass murderer and you want to have a pose off? The whole posing schtick was funny the first few times but it's been so goddamn overused by this point.
>>38738053>DBZ >Not involving jokes or gags even during times of danger
>>38738053>posing schtickWhat schtick? Poses are life. Heroic Speech is hometown.
>>38738053Have you read DBZ, bud?Shit is goofy to the max ESPECIALLY when the fate of the world is at stake.
>>38738083Hence why i want DRALO to do WWE style color commentary.
>>38738083>GOOFY to the MAX
>>38737918Different anon here but nah, it's time to serious up a little. Making a quick pose when we release our cuffs is fine but let's not ham it up here. Before this is through someone is going to die and we can only do our best and hope it will only be Cell.
>>38738081>>38738083>>38738073Yeah you guys are really just being stupid right now.
>>38738073>>38738081>>38738083Not constantly. Honestly all tension for this fight has been completely ruined for me from a combination of stupid decisions, slice of life goofing off, and all around having Kaguya be a snarky teenager. It sucks because I know a huge arc where we're going to do NOTHING but goof off is coming up so this should be a serious moment. We haven't had a serious fucking fight since when? Androids 19 and 20? Cell just lolnoped his way out of every confrontation prior, and everything else has just been training. Part of the reason why I'm so salty about the Super Thirteen thing. It's just not entertaining. It's the same boring shit over and over again
>>38738144If anything, it shouldn't have been a reboot. At least then if we fought Super 13 we could have considered it a test for Kaguya whether or not he would have been ready for Cell.
>>38738182Yeah I'm pretty goddamn salty about Dralo not letting the anons deal with the consequences. If we would have destroyed the pieces, that's one thing, but this was literally just a cop out because of bitching
>>38738121>>38738136https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgmLYtDvAa4I'm a little worried that telling /tg/ to get serious will just make them go maximum edgelord.Like, ya know, torturing Gohan to make him go super sayian.I'd rather have WWE shenanigans than go through that again.
Look if we want to ham it up a little do it in a serious way. We can have a little bit of a promo where we call Cell out, talk about how we haven't backed down from any challenges or something, and how we are going to beat him.
>>38738219I liked that one I didn't think it was was really that silly.
>>38738144It is going to be worse with the Buu arc with people trying to screw over Kai's plan even though Kaguya has no knowledge about the events IC.
>>38738259I'm killing Babadi.
>>38738212"Torturing"It would have been one thing if we beat the shit of his father and made him watch or something, but all we did was help him realize what's at stake. It helped him transform, something he needed to doI agree that we probably forced it too early, but it was something that had to be done regardless. Goku had the luxury of being able to teach it to Gohan in a calm way before, but our situation is much, much more dire than the Cell Saga in the canon series. >>38738259Yeah /tg/ has this huge fucking problem where they don't know what metagaming is
>>38738259My plan from the begining is just to tell him to fuck off if he wants one of our friends to be a sacrifice for energy. And to fuck off if we're supposed to sit by and watch spopo beat the shit out of someone.
>>38738286No, you're voting to kill Babadi.
>>38737814>>38737819>>38737820>>38737855>>38737863>>38737874>>38737882>>38737899>>38737909>>38737969You watch the fight as you slowly make your way over to Mr. Satan and the reporter.The Cell Junior strikes first, flying towards Goku swiftly and landing a solid punch to the Saiyan's face. Goku retaliates with a kick that sends the tiny creature into the air, and flies in pursuit of it.The Cell Junior laughs, cupping its hands at its side."KAMEHAMEHA!" it yells in a shrill, high-pitched voice, unleashing a blue beam of energy down at Goku.Goku yells, swatting the blast aside and rushing upward, punching the tiny creature in the jaw, then giving an axe kick that sends it plummeting towards the ground."Unbelievable! This mystery man seems to be putting the tiny Cell through the ringer!" the reporter yells."I wouldn't underestimate Goku," you comment as you come to stand beside the reporter.The cameraman turns to film you as the reporter asks speaks."Goku, you said? So, you know this man?" he asks."Kaguya has some strange friends," Hercule tells him. "And some of them are decent martial artists. Seems this Goku fella is one of them.""I see," the reporter says. "Well, Kaguya, is there anything else you'd care to say?""Hi mom, dad, and Icarus," you respond."Adorable!" the reporter shouts before turning his focus back to the ring."So, Mr. Satan, I'm guessing Videl showed you she can fly," you say to Hercule.He tenses, then nods. "Yeah."Goku blocks a punch from the Cell Junior, then elbows it in the face, rising and kicking it down and out of the ring."The tiny Cell is out of the ring!" the announcer yells. "This, Goku, is the winner!"The Cell Junior growls as it rises to its feet, only to scream in terror as it is obliterated in an instant by its father."Very well, the match goes to Goku," Cell announces. "Now, who's next?">A. You'll go>B. You'll go, but you want Gohan to join you>C. Let someone else go
>>38738317>B. You'll go, but you want Gohan to join you
>>38738315I'll samefag and not give a fuck
>>38738317>B. You'll go, but you want Gohan to join youTag team.
>>38738317>>C. Let someone else go>>>> Anonymous 03/15/15(Sun)22:41:20 No.38738329 ▶>>>38738317>>B. You'll go, but you want Gohan to join you>>>> Anonymous 03/15/15(Sun)22:41:25 No.38738332 ▶>>>38738315Yamcha your up buddy.
>>38738332So you'll get 2 votes before the rest of the retarded /tg/ hivemind decides to sacrifice themselves for energy and then bitch about the consequences.
>>38738317>A. You'll go>C. Before we go, mention that Goku won the martial arts tournament that one time
>>38738317>A. Fuck off Gohan get your own win
>>38738317>>B. You'll go, but you want Gohan to join you>>C. Let someone else go"Did you really just obliterate your own child Cell? I mean, I know insects don't usually care much for their young but really?"
>>38738310>B. You'll go, but you want Gohan to join you"lets speed things up for the main event, plus this is more fun"
>>38738351I got friends that are always down to help for some jollies.
>>38738317>A. You'll go>D. "So now you kill your own children for sport? I'm going to make sure you regret ever single life you've taken, count on it."
>>38738317>B. You'll go, but you want Gohan to join you"Lets show them what the young warriors of the saiyan invasion can do"
>>38738361>>38738381Who gives a fuck? They're fucking monsters
>>38738310That'll work. But yeah, I'm worried the Buu saga is just gonna be anticlimactic It'll only really work if we get to Super Buu and he starts absorbing our friends. Buppa is gonna be fun to fight.. Buuhan and Buutenks will still be a nightmare.
>>38738332>>38738372Did I take a wrong turn down to QTG or something?
>>38738317>B. You'll go, but you want Gohan to join you"Just like we practiced, lets pull off 'Pose B'"
>>38738407They're sapient and haven't actually done anything worth killing them over yet. If they're like piccolo then they have wills of their own. If we gotta kill one or a dozen to kill Cell then so be it, but it doesn't make him killing his own spawn any less repulsive.
>>38738317>B. You'll go, but you want Gohan to join you>>38738310Kaguya doesn't even know them, the most likely thing he would do would be to ask piccolo to let him fight one by changing his vote.
>>38738317>B. You'll go, but you want Gohan to join youLets speed things up a bit
>>38738407I meant mine more as a joke thrown at him with the whole "insect" part.
>>38738381>You absorbed hundreds of innocent civilians and my friend/rival? Let's pose and goof around!>You killed your own children who were pretty much just killing machines? You monster!
>>38738182I'm sorry, but letting 13 go super would have been 100% out character, unless we had been possessed by Vegeta. We have not let a single villain since Frieza power up. And don't say we tried to stop Frieza, we didn't. DRALO told us we were twice as strong as base Frieza, and instead of killing him when we had a chance we light Vegeta fight him. Then when we still had a decent power gap we didn't fight at full strength, but instead at just above his level. Third stage was pretty much equal with us, and when he got bored there was no way we were going to stop a transformation. And then it clicked we should stop messing around and cut him in half when the chance appeared. Then we gibbed Turles, didn't let Cooler transform, launched Garlic Jr. into space, and tried to stop Cell from absorbing 17, but he was too strong. So letting 13 go Super 13 was 100% OOC and would have onlying been done for meta-reasons, when we knew IC 13 could absorb the other Androids. Besides, we had Cell watching us in person. If we had had to fight Super 13 we most likely would have to take off the cuffs and blow our biggest advantage. There was absolutely 0 reason to do it IC, the only reason would be being bored OOC.
>>38738425He is either that samefag from the Freeza saga or a new one
>>38738317B,Also, this. >>38738433 So fab.
>>38738486! group will easily come back when we off cellthe other one is more sadistic and on a bit more of a personal level,also we have always been fine with hilarious bad things happening to vegeta.
>>38738503Its not technically samefagging if its 4 different people.
How I see the issue:BANTER WITH OPPONENTS OVER THE COURSE OF A FIGHT THAT EITHER LACKS RELEVANCE TO THE FATE OF THE WORLD AT LARGE OR THAT WE'RE CERTAIN WE'LL WIN - More than fine, and fun, honestly. BANTER WITH OPPONENTS NEAR THE CLIMAX OF A BATTLE - Not okay for the most part, kills tension and makes the battle seem like a joke.GOOFY SHIT LIKE POSING - Okay in the face of weak opponents, against strong opponents who won't kill us, but most certainly not when lives are on the line or during situations that were highly tense.
>>38738446Right he doesn't know them, and as far as he's concerned they haven't done anything to help out earth in its' times of crisis. He has no reason to show them any deferment besides his respect for Kami and King Kai. If there's something threatening the world they can speak the fuck up instead of trying to be mysterious and shit.
>>38738502We did kill Frieza before he went 100%
>>38738520Well now DRALO knows to immediately discount 4 votes for killing Babidi! Thanks for the heads up.
>>38738528Anon, 80% of shonen fights ARE banter. That back and forth is just as important as the punches and kicks.
>>38738543After letting multiple chances to handle him early go. We could have killed base or second form Frieza at full strength, but /tg/ wanted to play around with him and mess with Vegeta.
>>38738520Jokes on you. I'll just go behind 7 proxies to samefag as well.
>>38738601It will be a good battle.
>>38738528Also, I think we should've had to live with our mistakes, samefag'd or not. If we kept making decisions that were OOC or reeked of samefag DRALO could always choose to discount things or take a revote at another time, like he did in this case, but at a time with repeated offenses. Though either way the time has passed and I'm not gonna sit around and be a crying shitbaby about it.
>>38738543And I mentioned that. We still willingly let him power up.
>>38738444They're tiny clones of a genocidal pride demon cyborg. We don't even know if they have free will or not. The only thing they've ever been shown to do is take great pleasure in causing pain. It's not comparable to piccolo in any way. Piccolo wanted to kill goku and rule the planet. They, as an extension of Cell, want nothing but to destroy all planets everywhere. For fun.
>>38738613DRALO shouldn't have OOC trap options in the first place if he is just going to redo them. I mean whats the point?
>>38738329>>38738337>>38738354>>38738361>>38738363>>38738381>>38738400>>38738433>>38738446>>38738475>>38738530"I'll go," you tell Cell. "But, I want Gohan to fight with me."Cell chuckles. "Very well, I believe this should be most entertaining. Now, step into the ring."You look over at Gohan. "Let's show them what the young warriors of the Saiyan Invasion can do."Gohan nods, his expression serious as he steps into the ring. "Right."As you step into the ring, two Cell Juniors do the same, grinning and cackling eagerly as they prepare to battle you and Gohan."Kaguya and a young man named Gohan have stepped into the ring!" the reporter shouts. "Let's see what happens in this tag team match!" "Now, before these two handsome young gentlemen fight, let's reiterate the rules!" Miss Piiza shouts. "If you touch the outside of the ring, fall unconscious or down for ten seconds, or die, you lose!"The two Cell Juniors can barely contain themselves as they eagerly wait for the match to begin. They continue to cackle and bounce around as they stare at you.They're not the only ones. Cell watches you and Gohan with great interest, clearly very excited for this match."Now, let the match begin!" Cell shouts.His two children are on the move at once, rushing at you as fast as they can.>A. Meet the charge>B. Go on the defensive>C. Teleport Attack>D. Dodon Ray>E. Kamehameha>F. Destructo Fist>G. Something else
>>38736600If you people want to see cell dead then give me a hell yeah.
>>38738691>>A. Meet the charge
Rolled 5 (1d6)>>38738691>>A. Meet the charge>>B. Go on the defensive>>C. Teleport Attack>>D. Dodon Ray>>E. Kamehameha>>F. Destructo FistRolling
>>38738691>A. Meet the chargeLets start old fashion
>>38738691>F. Destructo Fisti just want to punch ones head off.
>>38738691>A. Meet the charge
>>38738691>A. Meet the charge>E. Have Gohan prepare an attack while we draw agro, then lure a Cell Jr into his line of fire and swap places for the next series of attacks.
>>38738691A with an after image to appear behind it and kick it into the other one.
>>38738691>>D. Dodon Ray
>>38738691>A. Meet the charge>F. Destructo Fist
>>38738725We'll call it operation Raditz.
>>38738691No sign of Cello, hope we don't kill 'em.>D. Dodon RayJust as they're coming at you.
Question, if we release the cuffs must it be all at once?
>>38738767Yup, let's save that for Cell unless we have to do it to beat these guys.
>>38738767That's how it works
>>38738766Cello was the name we came up with for the Piccolo jr. style Cell Jr. idea. In that googledocs thing. Because it's an instrument like a piccolo and it's got Cell in it's name! Hah. ha... we'll it's still Toriyama tier.
>>38738691>A. Meet the charge>>38738533Anon, you are forgetting what Majin Vegeta told Goku, that the Supreme Kai said that Babidi had under his control the most powerful warriors in the galaxy, yet acted surprised when Vegeta and Goku were able to beat them easily.He had no idea that the saiyans had evolved to such a point, why would he think a human like Kaguya would be a big help if he knows the entire population has a pl of 5.
>>38738691>A. Meet the chargeand>F. Destructo Fist
>>38738742>>38738758You know, if we use Dodon Ray at any point, we're likely going to trigger the fuck out of Mr. Satan.
>>38738766the anon thinks the cell jr that could join us may be in this batch.
>>38738846>>38738758>>38738742Yeah let's avoid that.
>>38738815Can't he sense power levels?>>38738809Pretty sure that was a coy hmm.
>>38738815It's not that I don't know that. I'm just saying we don't indulge their delusion.
>>38738854Let's let Tien or Chiaotzu do it?
>>38738882Sure, Satan doesn't need to see his best student use that.
>>38738854Sorry, I forgot.
>>38738902Satan is a fraud.
>>38738868He can, but at the same time he acted surprised when Gohan powered up to SSJ2 and when Goku and Vegeta beat supposedly two of the toughest fighters in the galaxy easily.
>>38738691>>38738725ill fourth this
>>38738691>A. Meet the charge>G. Dynamite Kick our Jr. into Gohan's and then double team them.
>>38738924Not in this timeline, he won't take credit if we beat Cell.
>>38738940But he sure as hell will take credit for "training" us.
>>38738877They vaguely describe Buu as capable of destroying planets with ease, regenerate from next to nothing, and being obscenely powerful. We proceed to ask if they are from a different timeline/universe where Cell won the Cell Games.
>>38738877That would be out of character though, the least Kaguya would do is act supicious around them when Goku tells the gang that they are unbelievable strong.
>>38738854Ah shit I forgot about that. WHOOPS.
>>38738940>>38738953Precisely. If you guys really cared about him you'd help him get over his problems and deal with reality than live in this fantasy.But no. You don't care about him. It's all "Haha look at Satan! He's so quirky right guys?" The man's a divorcee single father who's terrified of the supernatural state of the world, and spreads that terror by discrediting the only people who are actually protecting the planet. We would be helping Satan, and everyone on Earth if he got over his problems
>>38738705>>38738709>>38738714>>38738719>>38738725>>38738736>>38738743>>38738750>>38738815>>38738826As the Cell Juniors rush towards you, their high-pitched laughter ringing through the air, you leap up and meet their charge, with Gohan at your side.As you rush towards the creatures, you channel energy into your fist, coating it in energy very similar to a Destructo Disk.You and one of the Cell Juniors meet each other and each throw a punch. For once, you're the larger of the two fighters, so you're the one to land the hit, and the creature cries out in pain as your punch cuts into the skin on its face.No longer channeling energy into your fist, you use the afterimage technique and get behind your opponent, kicking it and sending it hurtling down towards the edge of the ring. Panicking at the thought of what its father will do to it if its knocked from the ring, the tiny creature manages to stop itself just in the nick of time."The mini Cell has just barely managed to avoid a ring-out!" the announcer yells. "Kaguya is quickly demonstrating why he is Mr. Satan's top student!"At your side, Gohan and the other Cell Junior exchange a flurry of punches and kicks, neither one seeming to have a definitive advantage. However, you can sense that Gohan is holding back, so you're not really worried.The Cell Junior you attacked, its face now healed, looks up at you and places its fingers on its forehead, gathering energy."SPECIAL BEAM CANNON!" it shrieks, firing a spiraling beam of energy up at you.>A. Dodge>B. Rush the Cell Junior and try to knock it from the ring>C. Counter with an energy attack of your own>D. Hit it with a Kamehameha>E. Teleport Attack and knock it from the ring>F. Something else
>>38738993>E. Teleport Attack and knock it from the ring
>>38738993>>E. Teleport Attack and knock it from the ring
>>38738924Satan did nothing wrong
>>38738993>A. DodgeThen>C. Counter with an energy attack of your own
>>38739010>>38739002>>38739003You sure it's a good idea to let Cell see that move now?
>>38739025He's seen it before
>>38738993>E. Teleport Attack and knock it from the ring>>38738988He can take care of Buu and Bee, Kaguya already has enough reformed villains living with him. Plus Videl can slowly coax him to at least try it.
>>38738993>B. Rush the Cell Junior and try to knock it from the ringSave the teleport for Cell himself.
>>38738993>>C. Counter with an energy attack of your own
>>38738993A. DodgeB. w/Dynamite kick I know I'm pushing the Dynamite Kick kind of hard, this is the last time I will. But if not now, when?
>>38739032I could have sworn only PR versions of Cell have seen that move. Oh well then Teleport away.
>>38738993>B. Rush the Cell Junior and try to knock it from the ring
>>38738993A then B by grabbing it and throwing it to the ground.Reminder Cell has seen the teleport once, let's not overuse until we fight him. He does have our and Kazuma's cells.
>>38738993>C. Counter it with an energy attack of your ownSomething strong enough to kill it instantly and painlessly as possible.
>>38738993>A. Dodge>B. Rush the Cell Junior and try to knock it from the ring
>>38739061Eh, fuck it. Lets use a move that Hercule sort of taught us
>>38738993Poor CJ.>B. Rush the Cell Junior and try to knock it from the ring.But what must be done....
>>38738993>D. Hit it with a Kamehameha
>>38739061Screw it, at least it'll be more effective with Kaguya doing it.
>>38738993>A. Dodge>F. Dynamite Kick
>>38739012>>38739034I miss Kaguya the realist, who was nice but didn't really give a damn about general conventions or being subtleIt really doesn't make sense that he'd extend Satan's fantasy.>Inb4 theatricsThat entire thing was pretty much brought on by hanging out in Satan Castle in the first place. I never thought I'd say something like this but pro-wrestling fans are shitting up this quest, and any sense of gravitas or action.
>>38739061Going with it
>>38739032Does he know Instant Transmission, or are his Yamcha cells from an earlier time?
>>38739119>>38739118>>38739061inb4 us doing makes it actually explode on impact blowing up the Cell Jr.
>>38739061We should save it for when we figure out how to make the enemy explode with energy implant with the kick. Like his BS excuse for 18's really delayed reaction to the kick in the tournament, but, you know, real.
Are we getting some last minute (albeit probably inconsequential) gains from fighting cell jr. with cuffs on?
>>38739158Well that would be silly, wouldn't it?
>>38739126Dodon Ray is for Cell, so he has to expend energy to regen his lungs after we put holes in them so he can't hold his breath.
>>38739202This just made me realize, would Cell know that Kaguya was parodying Kamen Rider considering he went on a T.V. land hunt to clear some boredom
>>38739192Cell Jr.s are supposed to be an actual threat, so it's possible we could get some signifgant exp.
>>38739231We just learned they can regen... Which implies, oh god, defeat now, with extreme prejudice.
>>38739222Either way, it coming out of nowhere would probably be a bit of a shocker.
>>38739119>>38739091>>38739085>>38739073>>38739067>>38739061>>38739118>>38739090>>38739146>>38739036>>38739024You avoid the blast, letting yourself drop to the ground of the ring. As the blast goes flying into the atmosphere, you launch yourself at the Cell Junior, rushing towards it and leaping as you approach. You decide to mix things up a bit, and use a move Mr. Satan himself came up with, a little beauty called the Dynamite Kick.As you fly towards the Cell Junior and unleash your attack, he leaps into the air, and you kick nothing but empty space as you fly from the edge of the ring. Luckily, you're above the ground, so you haven't been ringed out.Of course, that might change in a moment.Turning and looking up, you see your opponent staring down at you, forming a triangle with his fingers. Your stomach drops as you realize what he's going to do.You saw what the attack did to Cell when Tien used it. If it strikes you, you'll hit the ground for sure. But, if you teleport out of the way, Hercule, Miss Pizza, and the reporter will all die."TRI-BEAM, HA!" it shouts, unleashing the mighty attack you've seen used by Tien.>That's it for tonightFollow me @qmdralo for schedule updates and changes, the next thread will probably be TuesdayGo to ask.fm/qmdralo to ask questions when I'm not running
>>38739222Cell's thoughts:>That guy looks kind of like me>and he's pretty strong!>I like him!>That "justice" stuff is nonsense, though.>This Amazon guy is brutal! He's my favorite.>I wish they were real. I could absorb them all.>>38739247The cuffs will come off.
>>38739320Guess it's Kamehameha time?
>>38739320Get fucked Kags
>>38739320What're our odds of beating Cell now?
>>38739320I'm so glad we went with the dynamite kick option! meh whatever let's just get the ring out then. Everyone is scared to death of actually having a serious fight in the quest anyway so it'll be a good way to avoid that.
>>38739333Not sure that will stop a Tribeam, you might have to get desperate here.>>38739349If you even qualify to fight him? I'm not sure
>>38739333Or we could try a piercing attack that could go through the tri-beam and kill that Cell Jr.
>>38739359How much fun are you having writing these fights?
I'm guessing power up to knock everyone out of the way and teleport, or beam struggle. Henshin as a last resort.
>>38739366And give Satan a PTSD flashback?
>>38739358Like it matters, you know what Cell is going to do, blow up the ring thus nullfiying his rules and ask Kag's to fight him
>>38739369Oh, I usually have a blast with these fights, and the tournament dynamic of ringouts and such makes it even better.>>38739375>Implying"That child promised me a challenge, and he can't even defeat one of my children. Oh well, Hopefully Goku can provide me with some amusement."
>>38739359So a quick pop up of rampage drive and powered up Kamehameha?
>>38739359Is there a possibility of Kaguya getting gains by fighting through the tri-beam like Semiperfect Cell did?
>>38739366Or teleport above the three then teleport them elsewhere, though I doubt that will work, not enough time.Would the hole the Tri-Beam creates and puts us in actually count as hitting the ground?
This seems like a situation where Goku would intervene to save innocent lives. If he's fast enough.
>>38739404You realize that would both render you unconscious and make you fall from the ring, right?>>38739406Sure, but the attack would still slam you to the ground, thus making you lose by ringout>>38739413Yes
>>38739396Alright then lets just fucking go with that then. Let's have all of this be a huge waste of time that sounds par for the course. I'm getting a little sick of Cell getting Villian Sue treatment honestly.
Im not saying we should let Hercule die buuuuuutt we can always wish him back. You guys know this isn't the only time he's going to be in imminent danger during the games and he doesn't have the power of plot armor this time around like he did in canon.
>>38739425Or Yamcha, since he has IT.
>>38739431>Not stupidly fucking himself in the ass>Not bothering with an opponent that proves himself incompetentVillain Sue, how, exactly?
>>38739428Could Yamcha IT and save the others while we get the out of the fucking way?
>>38739449But would the Kamehameha slow down the tri beam enought before Kaguya touches the ground and pull a counter attack? and this is without rampage drive
>>38739428So the world is doomed because we were too obsessed with GAINS to actually prepare for a real fight. Fair enough. It's been a fun quest. Thanks for running it. Sad to see it end like this, though.
>>38739450If he reacts fast enough>>38739459I'm not sure, the odds would not be in your favor, though.
>>38739320Obviously we just have to copy the Tri-Beam 0.1 second away from getting hit and then fire back instantly.
>>38739433Remember that Goku and Yamcha are on the sidelines. Since Hercule and all them aren't a part of the match, they should be able to intervene and grab them no sweat.
>>38739449So whats going in everyone else end that are watching the fight.Our parents?Chichi?Videl?The people of the world?
>>38739469Don't have much faith in your friends, do you?>>38739482Parents: PanicChichi: WorryVidel: WorryWorld: Anxious
>>38739431It's less that Cell is a sue and more that the anons and Kaguya have been fucking full retard lately.
>>38739475What if did it, would it buy us enough time to tell Yamcha and Goku to get Hercule Piiza and the reporter out of the way and then IT behind Cell jr?
>>38739475What's Cell think of Gohan and Goku right now?
>>38739475Who is actually here, I don't think we ever established that? >>38739489If we break the cuffs would we ring out?
>>38739476Funny thing is I think we've actually done this kind of thing before.
>>38739469Too obsessed with gains? No, we were too obsessed with goofing around.
>>38739475So the obvious choice is to yell Yamcha's name while teleporting.
>>38739512/tg/ is really dropping the ball and going full Vegeta all the time now. Jesus Christ.
>>38739495You could try. Again, not good odds.>>38739497"These two might actually be worth fighting.">>38739500YouGokuGohanNappaKazumaBillyHayaPiccoloTienChiaotzuYamchaKrillinTrunksSixteen>>38739514Again, his reaction time would be the deciding factor
>>38739320Was using the Dynamite Kick just an aesthetic change or would we have been in a better situation if we hadn't tried it?
>>38739449>Can regenerate from everything we throw at him when he's weaker than who he's fighting. Even if we vaporize literally every part of him.>Can timestop and absorb anyone he's fighting. >Is the most snarky and magnificent bastard evar!>You can't possibly match his true power no matter how much time you have. No not even a full year of training with a huge host of people. He's even more super awesome than the final villain of the series!>Lol he's going to blow up shit right in front of you and you can't stop him now!>In fact his copies are so much smarter than you they out maneuver you so you have to dodge, lose forever or let innocent people die!Cell is pretty much a villain sue at this point in the quest yes. He's 8spesul12u.
>>38739533Charging in general was not a good idea, doing the Dynamite Kick for style points was even worse.
>>38739514Picture the Yamcha in your mindYamcha Fang Teleport!>>38739512By GAINS I mean keeping the cuffs on.
>>38739531If we break the cuffs would we be able to tank the hit and not allow for the crew to get killed?
>>38739547Theres also the fact that we went from near Raditz PL to near 16 PL in a matter of minutes and if we kept that level of training up we should have a metric fuck ton of power when 10 days were up, but apparently 'max gains' means 'Lower than Cell, do you really think you have a chance, etc.'
>>38739547>That happened in canon>Guldo's cells>Again, he was a snarky dick in canon, having Kaguya's cells added to that>He was powerful, you're at about his level without the cuffs, though if this fight is any indication, Kaguya will screw up>You didn't even try>His copies knew basic tactics and you charged like an idiot>>38739567Possibly, but you'd probably still ring out
>>38739547Except he wasn't full vaped back at Gingertown. It literally was written that tiny bits went flying.
>>38739567I'm gonna guess yes considering those cuffs brought us down from the strongest human on the planet to pretty much a cripple who could barely stand up. Our power's probably far more than doubled.
>>38739582Game over then, thanks for playing?
Wait, Cell tanked Tien's tri beam and it still left the hole. If we tank it, Hercule, piiza and the reporter will still get deep-fried. We have to either knock them out of the way or let Yamcha deal with it.
>>38739547>The first stage of loss is denial
>>38739489Even then, it's game over since he's the real crisis and Buu won't even be as strong.If you could at least do a "your real worth was as a friend, not how strong you are" flavor when everything then just proceeds as canon, it might not be SUCH a downer.
>>38739611We'll see, you're not the only fighter that entered the tournament, are you?
>>38739582I'm assuming the 50/50 you gave us a while back was based on whether or not if /tg/ could be smart.
>>38739619Buu could potentially become stronger depending on how events play out. Besides, Buu isn't going to be the final boss anyway.>>38739628Pretty much, yeah
>>38739582So if we get a ring out and he decides he doesn't wan to fight us, then fast forward and yadaa yadaa Goku tells that Gohan is stronger than him. Can we just make Kaguya go with Gohan to fight Cell and make him pull the middle finger on Cell then break the cuffs then and there getting him interested in fighting us?
>>38739619Cue flashback to Kami's words.
If shit comes to shittest, 16's assumption that he could successfully suicide-bomb Cell to death is still correct, right?
>>38739582ok how about this1: break cuffs2: tank hit3:shout at yamcha to get the crew out 4: kill mini cell 5:????
>>38739628>>38739643So we never had a chance at all!
>>38739584Even though the special beam cannon has always vaped whatever it touched, like Goku's chest. It made an exception for Cell.Not that anon but this sort of bothered me.
>>38739645Possibly, well, without fast forwarding.
>>38739628Anon, your first mistake was assuming /tg/ could ever be smart.First they voted to let 13 go super mode.Now they voted for Kaguya to fuck around when fighting mini-cells.Now Kaguya is just going to have to take his lumps like the arrogant dumbass /tg/ made him be and be irrelevant until Cell decides to push Gohan.
>>38739671Guess we are tanking the hit, but not before giving Gohans Cell and ki blast.
>>38739668You guys used to fight fairly smart, or at least not anywhere near this bad.
>>38739643Would that shield technique we learned with Gohan be worth anything here?
>>38739666Yell at Yamcha, teleport, if he doesn't save them we can wish back everyone killed by Cell, his children, and fighting them, like we would anyways.
>>38739684I blame the wrestling faggots. Seems like it started there.
>>38739686You could try it>>38739683Good luck
>>38739684Clearly you're forgetting the Nappa fight. And Frieza in general.
>>38739684What if this is all a ruse on Kaguya's part to make Cell think he fights like a dumb ass, then starts bringing out his real potential during their fight.
>>38739628It was based on Cell being impossible to surpass. That's what pisses me off. Dralo goes with a completely free form style where he gets to decide how strong the MC is based on how he wants the fight to go and has us go through these long drawn out training arcs that don't mean shit because we aren't allowed to be stronger than he wants us to get. Then he tells us we were stupid for not doing X because X wasn't the "correct" choice he had decided on ahead of time.>>38739624Oh boy I can't wait for us to sit with our thumbs up our ass! That's going to be so fun. >>38739684We also used to have a smaller player base.
>>38739684It's because things haven't been as intensive. People just treat everything as a joke. If the quest ended because people were retarded I'd be okay with that, it's better than you having to continually come up with excuses for their stupidity like the Super 13 thing.>>38739703You mean how we instantly killed him as soon as he attacked someone? Or how we killed Frieza before he could fully power up?
>>38739703You beat Nappa, and you beat Frieza. Well, the first Frieza fight you mostly got lucky.>>38739710There won't be a fight because the point of this match was to see who was worth Cell's time.
>>38739721No, I meant the super saiyan Nappa fight where we basically just charged him thrity times in a row and lost.And how the Frieza fight was 90% multiform and took way too long.
>>38739719Its kinda insane how quickly we level up when the plot demands it and how that completely goes away when we are back on the grind.
Seriously, anyone who doesn't vote to teleport is a dumbass. We sacrifice one of the Earth's best chances of winning, or we sacrifice three people who shouldn't have been here in the first place.
>>38739733SSJ Nappa. You know, the CHARGE fight where we thought we could out melee someone our own power range but also like ten times big as us.
>>38739733Can we feed the cuffs? I want to know just in case our friends pull our asses out of the fire and fix our mistakes.
>>38739764We were still below him actually,
>>38739759I'd rather just break the cuffs and try that shield technique.
>>38739733Would we be able to deflect the Tri-beam with one of our techniques?
>>38739719BUT POSING AND WTESRLIG CHARGE ALL THE TIME TIME TO SHOW OFF OH SHIT WE LOST WTF DRALO RECOUNT
>>38739733just finished archives, binged them in about 2 days. great quest, look forward to participating DRALO
>>38739746>And how the Frieza fight was 90% multiform and took way too long.You can at least blame that on samefag guys and friends. That was when it was first to three and the majority didn't matter.
>>38739764I think people were just thinking "Push our limits!" without really considering that Nappa was stronger than us by a lot. A good example of how you anons get too comfortable and start making stupid decisions, and why people should pay for their fuck ups like the Super 13 shit>>38739759BUT ANON, Satan's so funny! Smoke and mirrors amirite? xD
>>38739755We just enjoy the illusion of choice for the most part, but in the end it's mostly just that, an illusion.>>38739789They were as bad a decision as the super 13 decision better have a recount! Truthfully I would have preferred to have dealt with 13 over getting punked by a Cell jr. and Dralo acting smug about it.
>>38739759How about we teleport behind Cell Junior, and kick him to the SIDE, so he not only misses the tribeam and shoots it to the side, but we also end up sending him into his own tri beam.
>>38739682Anon, the last time we were ruthlessly efficient we scarred Gohan for life. The time before that we almost started a fight with Goku, the guy who's so righteous he can ride the flying nimbus through the entire series. The time before that we gave ourselves PTSD nightmares before were ten.We fuck around because every time we take things seriously DRALO slaps our shit and tells us to stop. At least, i know that's why I do it.DRALO may occasionally change his mind and hit us with a situation like this, but he has a particular kind of quest in mind and deviating from that will NOT end well for us.
>>38739793You fool! Now you'll have to read the shitfests in real time!
>>38739733>>38739580Brings up a good point. What the hell is going with your Super Human scaling. At that rate we should be at least at Cell WITH the cuffs on. Its kinda insane.
>>38739824What are you talking about? None of this shit you are talking about happened. Gohan didn't get scarred for life, he was pissed for a few weeks and we talked out of it. he's fucking fine you whiny bitch. As for Goku, he's a fucking idiot. How many times has he risked the earth? Follow Kami's word, anon. Stop making up lies so you can act like an idiot with no consequences
>>38739835We scale at the rate of PLOT always have, probably always will. It's the same reason the multiform hack stopped working, because if it didn't then we'd be too strong for any challenge.
>>38739795Hell, I'm blaming this on samefag and friends.
>>38739733I understand Cell wants to see who's worth his time but surely if we remove the cuffs we can instigate and make him fight us
>>38739824Actually not being ruthlessly efficient is what gave us the PTSD, because we felt like we weren't strong enough to protect our friends.
>>38739873This wasn't samefag and friends anon. They make a fine scapegoat sure, but choosing to charge is a thing anons have done since fucking Radtiz.
>>38739857Not him but that PTSD thing actually did happen though. We just kinda grew out of it with the help of Kami, our family, and PLOT.
>>38739891WE had PTSD. Not GOHAN. God damnit. I'm actually getting frustrated with you idiots. Fucking can't into reading comprehension.
Guys we cannot lose to a fucking Cell Jr. That's almost as bad as losing to a fucking Saibaman.
>>38739824Ruthlessness against killer bio android clones who are canonically little sadistic shits with Cell like power levels is a bit different than traumatizing one of our best friends who is practically a brother.Perhaps we wouldn't be in this situation if you could tell the difference. But whatever. I'm sure that going full steam ahead with this mindset that has been called by the QM as really stupid will work out eventually. All the good people who die end up in the good afterlife, so we shouldn't really give any fucks to what happens to anyone if we act stupid.
>>38739908It IS losing to a Saibaman for this point in the series. We Yamcha-ed.
>>38739857Yet all those time he has risked earth everything turn'd out for the better. Yet when Kaguya does it, shit hits the fan. It's like the world was designed to shit on Kaguya regardless of the any decision he makes.
>>38739877How about we remove the cuffs before fucking up, shield the mundanes (preferably with the technique designed to shield people) and then make the rest of this fight into Vegeta vs. Pui Pui.
>>38739835Yo DRALO answer this. You've avoided this question twice now. You can at least admit your full of shit to have your dramatic boss fight, but you when you make your bed you should lie in it.
>>38739908BUT MUH CHARGEMUH DYNAMITE KICKMUH WRASSLINMUH GAINS
>>38739905>>38739824>The time before that we gave ourselves PTSD nightmares before were ten.What was that again?>Fucking can't into reading comprehension
>>38739891The PTSD was worry from dealing with Frieza and Vegeta at the age of 6. We saw Vegeta literally explode a friend when we were 6 years old. Then we fought Space Hitler about 3/4 months later. I'm sure most 6 year olds would be fucked up by that. Gohan mentioned dealing with similar things with Raditz. Hell, a lot of adults would get fucked up by the shit we've seen and done.
>>38739934Sure seems that way sometimes don't it?
>>38739908Dralo already said it was impossible to defeat that tri beam. It's not "we cannot." It's "we will."
>>38739948It was also because of the Ginyu's and the battle at Capsule Corp.
>>38739938I'm completely fine with that.
>>38739934Clearly Kaguya won't be able to get his happy ending without getting his friends killed in some way.
>>38739934Nigger shit has been nothing but hunky dory since Namek. We fucked off and joked with the movie villains who showed up, punked Cooler, and then whooped King Cold and Mechazawa's ass before Trunks even had the chance. When we risk the earth shit hits the fan because that's how it should be. >>38739947I wasn't even talking about our PTSD at all, so I don't know why you bothered to quote me in reference to it. I mean that PTSD was only natural for a kid who's neck deep in so much violence anyways
>>38739938Dralo already said that'd knock us on the ground and make us lose.
Clearly we know what we must now do, copy Tien's move and fire that shit back
>>38739939Insults aren't a question, anon.
>>38739966Which we felt responsible for, because we showed mercy to Nappa on the way. We felt responsible for Chiaotzu's death on Namek. We blamed ourselves for Tien dying at Capsule Corp. and Yamcha having a massive hole in his chest.
>>38739939Nope, he can call out our bad decisions but he doesn't have to answer to us when we call him out on shit.
>>38739981He's said trying to take it to the face to powerup would do that, he's implied that other strategies have various chances of success.
>>38740004Alrighty.>>38739993If this was the saiyan saga, that would have worked.
>>38739994Follow the link chain. I was asking why we can go from near Raditz to near 16 in mere minutes, but suddenly that rate of climb disappears. If we had the same rate throughout the 10 days we would be a match for Cell WITH the cuffs on.I've asked him twice now. No response. Hell he skipped over the question the first time.
>>38739981Astounding, isn't it? Somehow, /tg/ has fucked up at directing a protagonist of a shounen quest. TWICE.
>>38739981He said we could try it. I still think dodging and letting what happens to those be for the best. If Hercule dies and is brought back he can't claim credit for killing Cell. And look at that, we can shut up Hercule.
>>38739905We made him watch him and everyone he cared about die at the hand of the worst creature he's ever faced and told him to take it like a man. We've never asked if he was okay after we apologized but the point remains that DRALO made it abundantly clear that doing that to Gohan was NOT a good idea.As far as Goku, one of the overarching themes of the show was that his way is ultimately right. He's been DRALO's self-insert voice of reason multiple times, like just a few threads ago.I want to be ruthlessly efficient. It felt great to instagib villains instead of having to hear the same rant every time a mediocre bad guy like Turles or Cooler showed up. I also looked forward to the Super 13 fight. But DRALO clearly doesn't want us to be that sort of character, as evidenced by Goku, Gohan and Kami all telling us not to be that sort of character.For fuck's sake, our only supporter in being ruthless is Vegeta, arguably the biggest fuckup of this whole quest.
>>38740035What was the first time?
>>38739835Why was Multiform nerfed? Why was Kazuma's energy said to barely affect the cuffs? Why was him giving the energy conveniently prevented with the amazing timing of androids 13, 14, and 15? It's obvious why.
I think people are overthinking this, we don't have to beat the Tri Beam. We just have to find a way to slow it down enough that we can shout at Yamcha and Goku to take Hercule, Piiza, and the reporter out of the way and be able to IT behind the Cell Jr before we touch the ground.
>>38740032pulling numbers out of my ass, but:getting from 1000 pl to 100,000,000 pl is faster than getting from 100,000,000 to 100,000,000,000,000thats kind of obvious
>>38740042Actually Kami agreed with what we did to Turles. Only Goku didn't. Kami's exact words were something to the effect of Goku always having been to kind hearted for his own good.
>>38739979>>38739857>None of this shit you are talking about happened>I wasn't even talking about our PTSD at allSeriously, man? I think what you mean is that you didn't read the part where he said we got PTSD.
>>38740042Well if people decided to stop taunting Vegeta, things might have turned out a bit better than him getting absorb.
>>38740068Yeah but going from 1000 to 100,000,000 suddenly becomes more difficult after you do it once. That was the benefit of the cuffs they let us reset our PL without actually losing power. But of course they only worked once because PLOT and Muh Cell.
>>38740106nah. It was pretty obvious that after Namek Vegeta hated us with the fury of a thousand salt mines and would not stop hating us unless he had some sort of world changing epiphany.
>>38740068You forget how exponential our increases get when we fight opponents at that level. Remember when we suddenly DOUBLED are fucking powerlevel in 10 minutes when Imperfect Cell was psychic holding us even though we were supposedly training for 3 fucking years.
>>38740086It's Kami. man. Without Kami, we've lost our touch. He was our best friend, out guidance, our teacher, and our lord.
What if we try and counter the tri-beam with our OWN TRI BEAM. We already have a technique similar to it, right?
>>38740132Yeah it's called not poking the rattlesnake after it starts to rattle.
>>38739947Killing the Ginyu force. Both failing to save our friends and murdering people in cold blood most likely contributed, or else resurrecting our friends and killing their murderers would have fixed our nightmares. Because, as Goku told us, we literally lost nothing.
>>38740042Wrong again on multiple accounts, friend. Kami encouraged our behavior because he knew it was the more intelligent choice. Dralo said it wasn't good for Gohan personally, but look at the massive leaps and bounds he's made in training compared to where he would be in Canon if we had simply let him develop his SS powers naturally. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>38740139rip in piece
>>38740133Or how the time chamber was skipped through in order to keep us from actually working on any of the techniques we wanted to work on and our PL went up by like 3 points after it? >>38740143The Taihouki will just knock us out and end in a double KO or a straight up loss.
>>38740178>Or how the time chamber was skipped through in order to keep us from actually working on any of the techniques we wanted to work on and our PL went up by like 3 points after it?Hey man, all that psychic training is sure to help us out in this upcoming fight. Right? ...Right?
>>38739922Really? Because murdering Turles got us the exact same shit, and he was literally killing the planet and everyone on it.
>>38740098I actually didn't even disagree with that one. That was the one time being efficient ended up screwing us overAlthough what REALLY screwed us over was miswording the wish, so it's moot again. Anon over there has been getting his facts wrong this whole conversation.
>>38740197You mean the one we aren't going to participate in?
>>38740109There was an actual explanation for why just putting more energy into the cuffs didn't work.>>38740143Already been suggested, kinda unlikely we could sponge the technique in the half-second before it hits us in the face. If you meant using the Taihouki instead of move-sponging, that'd knock us out. If it misses, we definitely lose; if it hits, we probably still lose.
>>38740035Wait, twice? What was the first quest?
>>38740213Only if people try to protect Mr. Satan with our body.
>>38740218>>38740178We never learned how to manipulate it, so we can use it, to a certain extent without it immediately knocking us out?
>>38740204Murdering Turles wasn't a bad thing. Goku told us he didn't deserve it but Kami said it was a good idea. You're fucking wrong about Dralo enforcing some sort of "Goku is right, be retarded" philosophy. I'm starting to think you're intentionally trying to shit the quest up because you don't know simple facts like Kami's speech or the reason the Ginyus came onto earth.
>>38740239I'm still trying figure out what he means by the time before Turles giving us PTSD.
>>38740238Nope. I wanted to work on it in the HTC but I've already griped about that.
>>38740237Dude, that's even worse than losing, letting the innocents get vaporized.
>>38740273I'm sure he's talking about when the Ginyus came to earth because we killed them on Namek.Even though they killed our friend when we spared them. So NOT being ruthless and efficient ended up fucking us up even more. I'm really starting to think there's a dedicated shitposter here who's just trying to convince people to make retarded decisions
>>38740237If you want to traumatize Videl, like we did with Gohan, but this time in the real world.And having our parents and the world watch as well let innocent bystanders get killed.
>>38740309Our best bet is probably Rampage Drive Barrier or Release Cuffs Barrier.
If anything we might have to go full Vegeta on Cell when we get the ring out. Why listen to his rules, he is trying to destroy the world and whats he going to do stop us from fighting?Time stop, we already have a counter for that.
>>38740297>>38740309We should just try and tank the blow. It seems like the best option. Let everyone else have their turn at fighting, take a senzu bean, and then when Cell destroys the arena and gets serious we take off our cuffsIt's not like he's going to ignore us once we're suddenly on his level
>>38740219I'll just assume Saiyan story where shittstorms seemed to happen every other thread after 30 threads, including killing friends in training by using full power against them when the MC was about 4 times stronger than the friend, or telling a character they don't know about the full moon, then, hiding allies there, or telling a bad guy who had mortally wounded an ally about a super magic healing item an ally had. I never read the whole thing because large chunks aren't on suptg.
>>38740165You' re right on Kami. He didn't warn us away from anything, he just tried to help us deal with the consequences. I apologize. Goku and Gohan still stand.But Gohan called us out on being a shitty hero and a shitty friend and our relationship with him wouldn't have recovered without our ptsd scaring us straight by making us confront ourselves. That should recommend to you that our original course of action had serious consequences.
>>38740297>>38740309>let three innocents die to stay in a game that determines the fate of the earth>kill the guy threatening the earth, saving all of mankind>the only things awaiting us when we return from the fight are disapproving looks, glares, and the media blasting us because we failed to save three lives we could wish back anywayThe world sure is a fucking crazy place to live. Not even joking too, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the result of us teleporting.
>>38740338Is there something wrong with the moe archive I don't know about that that makes sup tg is the only real option?
>>38740370This is one of the reasons Kaguya has to hide his identity when shit like this happens, it would be harder to call him on it.
>>38740338Well that explains the extremely low rating the finale had.
>>38740361Consequences that we dealt with. We were realistic in understanding that although Gohan would suffer some emotional pain now, he would be so, so, so much stronger because of it. And astronomically more capable when he needs to actually defend the lives of those he cares about.Yeah. So what. We're not the people's hero. So he may not like us. We're not HIS hero. We're a guardian. A watchful protector. A dark knight. The hero that EARTH deserves.
>>38740297>>38740309We remove the cuffs, and give Cell a good scare too, and throw up the barrier. Yell for someone to move the innocents then completely wreck the Cell Jrs. We keep people safe, still win, but lose our surprise advantage against Cell.OrDodge and kill the Cell Jr. and trust our friends to get the innocents out of the way, keep our surprise for Cell, which means he may let us tag team him with Gohan, and revive them (along with everyone else) if they don't get saved.
>>38740414I hope the first can work.
>>38740414Wait couldn't we just IT near the innocents and IT them near Yamcha and gang, before the blast can reach us?
>>38740414Dralo will give us more shit than I care to take if we let the announcers etc die so we'll have to go with the first one and hope it works.Maybe if I just think to myself we're in a world where plot armor only exists if it doesn't benefit us and we're playing hard mode I can deal with it easier.
>>38740309>If you want to traumatize VidelThat's what dragonballs are for nigger
>>38740409Consequences that we dealt with by having a dream that confronted us with what we had become and promising Gohan that we would change our ways to be more like his dad.
>>38740448Though we agreed early on in this quest not to judge people's lives on loldragonballs.
>>38740442We haven't ever tried to teleport others with our hong kong IT knock off. It probably won't work or we won't have time to get them out of the blast radius.
>>38740448She and the world mostly don't know about seven magical balls that summon a dragon that can grant mostly any wish within its power.
Next thread I'm voting to just take the cuffs off, blow up the ring and start fighting.If DRALO is going to railroad us into having Cell blow up the Earth cause of muh ego then so fucking be it. We'll try our best.
If anything our best bet is to either slow it down with the Kamehameha as best as we can and hopefully it buys us the time to shout at yamcha or goku to get the innocents out of the way and possibly it behind the Cell jr or tank the hit with an energy shield and tell yamcha or goku to get them out of there and hope we can dodge most of the blast.
>>38740455Yeah well I didn't vote for it and I think it's pretty fucking stupid to want to be more like Goku. When this quest set out we had the intention of NOT doing all the retarded things Goku does. I'm serious man. You continue down your path of stupid you want, and you think that you won't get any comeuppance because you're reading too much into what happened, but we're about to get raped in the asshole by a big green throbbing tail. I hope once this is through you realize how terribly, terribly mistaken you are. Dralo has pretty much said that if we keep being retarded we're going to die. I don't know why YOU want to die, anon. My guess is that you're just a shitposter from a general or something
>>38740468>Mr. Satan dies>the world is in shock and mourns>He comes back because of the Dragon Balls>"Hahaha, I didn't really die. That was just one of the cells dirty tricks. Sorry to worry ya!">World rejoices
>>38740491>RailroadSo it's railroading for Cell to act in character? God everyone is really bitching tonight about not being able to act like retards all the time and get away with it lol
>>38740300Restoring our friends and killing the Ginyu force didn't resolve our psychological trauma. In fact, our issues didn't go away until we promised to try to be more of a hero like Goku while apologizing to Gohan.What does that tell you about the root cause of our PTSD?
>>38740409Didn't we even tell Kami after the whole PTSD thing that while we'd protect the people of Earth, we'd do what needs to be done since nobody else would?
>>38740517Bad word. I mean if he goes 'Rocks fall, you all die' when we stop playing Cell's game.
>>38740517Actions shouldn't have consequences. The main character should be able to do anything and just instantly win
>>38740517It's railroading that we just happened to knock the Cell Jr. towards the only people that can't defend themselves and now have to worry about them dieing if we don't play this just right.
>>38740491Same, lets just take off the fucking cuffs, pull a Krillin and kill all his Cell Jrs with a single large ki blast that splits.Then go pound Cell's face, but not before giving him the finger and blowing up his ring.
>>38740521Bullshit our issues didn't go away until then. Quote that shit, anon, because the PTSD was long gone by the time Gohan and Goku had gone super saiyan. I repeat, you do not know what the fuck you are talking about. We resolved the psychological trauma by talking it out with Gohan and our family when we were like, years younger. Kami too. >>38740526Yes, yes we fucking did. What do you think about that >>38740521 ? Have you accepted that you're just making up random bullshit yet? >>38740539It was clearly to get people to act more serious. Maybe now you faggots will stop fucking off. I hope Satan dies so you realize that shit has consequences
>>38740557Thats my plan. I figure blowing up the world out of spite will take sometime to charge and we can hopefully prevent it.
>>38740571Plus us going with the tournament is the same thing as playing his dam game for entertainment.
>>38740569I've been telling people to get more serious this whole thread. I still call shit like I see it though.
>>38740517>God everyone is really bitching tonight about not being able to act like retards all the time and get away with it lolThe beginning of the thread had people bitching about people acting like retards and getting away with it. People are gonna complain either way.
>>38740557Pull the cuffs off is probably the smart move.I mean lets get real here, the time for training and prep is OVER. Now is the time to go all out and see where that takes us. We've likley got the strength to if not defeat Cell, then weaken him enough for a reasonably canon death of everyone rushing him when he's too occupied to take the shot at the earth.Yank off the cuffs. Get the fruit, then stop pulling punches.
>>38740500Not bad plans. I think the shield one might work better, if only because I don't trust the tribeam to wait for us to fire the kamehameha. Breaking the cuffs and then shielding would almost certainly work, but I can understand wanting to save the special surprise inside, kinda.Though if it comes down to innocents surviving or us looking cool, I'm going to choose the innocents surviving.>>38740539We didn't knock him towards them, he positioned himself in such a way that they'd die if we dodge on purpose when he dodged the Idiot Kick, as a ruthless (and pretty good) strategy.
>>38740590The entire reason that happened was because people decided "lol, dynamite kick!" This is a warning shot, anon. These characters don't even matter. Just wait until Dralo starts killing off capable fighters because of our stupid decisions.
>>38740517The beginning of the thread had people bitching about acting like retards and getting away with it. There are gonna be complaints either way.
>>38740569You haven't read the fucking threads if you don't remember us having to face down a dream version of our past selves and resolving to be less of an edgelord. That happened AFTER we had Gohan go Super because we ran away from confronting our past selves in the PR.
>>38740627Personally I'm glad that Satan and co are under fire.
We have to do this, /tg/Do it for Kami.
>>38740632They were always under fire, pretty sure Android 16 saved them when Cell blew up the ring. Don't know why he isn't jumping in there to save them now
>>38740628Alright I admit I don't remember that.At least I admit when I'm full of shit. I've corrected the other anon on literally every other point. Look, you do what you want, how about that? If the quest ends I'll just be chuckling about how asspained eveeryone will be. Can't wait to hear the cries of "Unfair!" and "railroading!"
>>38739684Don't blame me, I wanted to dodge then Kamehameha.
Is it possible for us to teleport to the others, grab onto them all, teleport them to where the other fighters are standing, and teleport back to the Cell Jr/ we're fighting, all while staying airborne?Hell, have we even tried to teleport multiple people with us before?
>>38740641>Implying he won't>Implying that dodging won't result in A16 getting vaporized by Cell Jr>Or surviving and judging us with his understanding words and calm demeanor
>>38740508But BEING ruthlessly efficient caused DRALO to call us out through Goku, Gohan and even Kami (trust in your friends!). In this case, the worst that can happen if we lose to Cell jr is that Gohan has to solo Cell exactly like canon.We're slowly finding a middle ground between ruthless efficiency and dragonball-era goku stupidity. But it's near impossible when DRALO decides things based on his own mental image of the scene. He says charging cell jr was retarded, but the way he described it was throwing a kick at an off-balance opponent, which is a perfectly reasonable response. Then the cell jr somehow managed to dodge, regain his balance, fly away, decide on a course of action, and charge and fire a tri beam in the time it took us to turn around.Being ruthless fucked us over. Everything else is varying shades of trying to suck up to DRALO so he doesn't decide to make up a reason to tell us we're retarded. That's why most people hate freeform rp. It's the grown up version of little kids making fighting robots out of legos and having screaming matches about how theirs is MORE invincible than the other one.
>>38740658>Dralo planned this all along>16 was going to get wrecked either way, so it would cause either Kaguya or Gohan to ascend
>>38740668Look, anon. You're fucking stupid. I know it's hard to accept, but trust me when I say shit is going to get real dark real quick if you guys don't straighten up. It's not like I WANT these terrible things to happen.
Looks like we need to learn some basic strategy. I.e. "Don't charge in all the fucking time".
>>38740643Towards the end of thread #58 if you want the whole thing, here are quotes for anyone else in the thread that doesn't remember the scene since I already fished them up.>"There's always another way!" young you insists. "Train for them! Like me and the others did for the Saiyans, and like Goku and me did for Freezer! Then you can beat whatever's coming!">"You are naïve," you tell him bitterly.>"Well that's better than what you are," he replies in anger. >"You're right," you tell him.>And, you mean it. While some parts of you continue to justify your actions, you know deep down that you did something terrible, and that you don't want to do so again. Yes, your intentions were good, but good intentions only count for so much.>"What?" he asks.>"You're right," you repeat. "I made a mistake, and let fear make me do terrible things. Never again. I can be better than the desperate person I've become."
>>38740687So you're not even gonna address any of his points?
>>38740700>Looks like we need to learn some basic strategy. I.e. "Don't charge in all the fucking time".We learned that, then forgot it.
>>38740713I've been arguing about this for way longer than any rational human being should. I'm warning you guys though, and I'm done trying to argue it. Like I said, if you want to fuck up, fuck up, I don't mind. It'll be entertaining to me either way
>>38740729>We learned that, then forgot it.That pretty much sums up every piece of information we've received in this quest. Then we make a stupid decision, someone reminds us, and we rush to change our decisions.
>>38740608Lets be honest here, the Dynamite Kick itself is a totally legit move that's only considered bad because LOLHercule.People forget that Yamcha was weaker than that when he first showed up and the Wolf Fang Fist was still considered legit for a long while and works every time Kaguya uses it. Actually putting Ki power behind it would make it as worthy as any other hand to hand attack.As for people hating on Satan and his band, they serve a purpose, that purpose just isn't fighting monsters like this. Without him they'd never have gotten the power for the final Spirit Bomb against Buu and never would have handled him as easily as they did.Likewise, people like to assume he's some kind of scumbag for 'stealing credit', but Goku and the others never WANTED credit. They could have been world famous off piccolo, or even just their tournament fighting. But they never actually cared about making money and even if they did, he explicitly sends them all enough that they never have to work again and throws them lavish parties to acknowledge that they're the REAL heroes.I mean shit. When Gotenks tried that exact same fucking move, the other guy EXPLODED. Given that's the tier we're at now there's no reason to believe that the Cell Jr. WOULDN'T explode.
>>38740741So no, you're not.
>>38740757It's the principle of the fact, anon. You know? Why would you respect and revere a liar? Not to say I don't like Hercule as a character. He was important and funny. But he absolutely does not need his dick sucked constantly like we've been doing
>>38740757The Dynamite Kick is just a flying jump kick really. I'm not even upset that it left us in a position for a ring out but that it somehow was so super bad that it left us a position where we either get hit or let people die.I know Dralo wants Yamcha to be the dark horse that saves the day and all but there are better ways to take us out of the fight.
>>38740774That is what I said. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough and somehow confused you
>>38740776Well when 24 world tournament arc starts, Videl is going to ask us personal to kick his ass to get him out of his high horse.
>>38740785When your argument boils down to "you're stupid and don't know what you're talking about" when you yourself don't know what you're talking about it gets anons all riled up. But it's not like the two of you (or however many) arguing will make a difference so it's not like walking away is a bad decision.I don't know about you guys but I've vented enough to calm down. Anyone else want to come up with some more strategies for next thread?
>>38740785Just wondering why you didn't say it outright instead of trying to find an excuse not to address his points. I'm not even one of the people who voted for the kick, the only thing I voted for this entire thread was getting breakfast and senzu beans. It just makes what you're arguing for look weak when you finish things off with what's basically "you're retarded and I'm gonna laugh as you keep being retarded.">inb4 "Whatever, anon. You guys are gonna make fuck ups and it's gonna be entertaining."
>>38740757Dynamite kick is a good move, but we got fucking BAITED into using it on an opponent who's standing over ring edge, and baited hard.There are many proper moves in that situation. Rushing at the guy is not one of them. "Quickly throw a blob of Ki at the ground in front of him" is a good answer. "Dodon Ray, knowing he can only dodge in a few directions if he doesn't want to ringout himself" is another. "I'm in the middle of the ring, uncontested, for a moment? Charge a Kamehameha" is another. A fourth is to exploit the distance opened and go blindside Gohan's opponent.You know what?Dynamite kick on Gohan's opponent. Would probably have worked money cash gold.
>>38740643You called me out on Kami. He didn't directly call us out on shit, but he did call us out for not trusting our friends, which is another way for DRALO to correct our behavior. The other consequences of our ruthlessness, from Goku and Gohan and our ptsd that fucked with us until we agreed to act like Goku still stand.Goku's philosophy has been one of the biggest themes in all of Dragonball. We try to keep villains like Cooler and 13 down effectively, but DRALO ultimately decides our pl AND the effectiveness of our actions. For example, we could argue all day that charging at the cell jr was a fine idea because throwing a kick at an off-balance opponent is standard procedure for most fighting styles. But DRALO seems to think charging is retarded so as a consequence the cell jr managed to dodge an attack from a much faster opponent with almost no footing to work with and pull a string of consecutive actions like charging a tri beam before we could turn around. So acting the way DRALO wants us to is the only way to succeed, and he does not seem to want us to be ruthless.
>>38740836I did say it outright though. I said "I have been arguing this too long" which means I just don't want to argue it anymore. Do you see why I think you're stupid? and yeah, I know it looks like a weak argument. But I have 100% faith that I'm right and that's why I can say it with such confidence.>>38740834Yeah I'm pretty much calm now. Mostly just tired.
Has Dodon Ray even been useful in the past few threads? I just keep remembering people swatting them away.
>>38740859Dodoning a prepared opponent isn't a good option, and the most times we've used it, it's been against an opponent who saw it coming.What it's fucking GREAT for is that it's blazing fast, and you can use it to press advantage against a blindsided enemy, an off-balance enemy, or hit an enemy who's only just started charging an attack before he can finish charging it.
>>38740850you gotta break up your words more, anon. You also need to stop assuming you know what Dralo's thoughts are. It's not like you can speak to him outside of this place like someone else might potentially be able to do, so it's just best to assume nothing.
Hmm. How about if we make a variant of the barrier that is a wedge? We shape the beam so it follows the path of least resistance away from ourselves and the squishy mortals in it's path. We've done a lot of work with shaping attacks so far so hopefully we have enough finesse to shape a partial barrier in that way.
>>38740893It can also cut through big beams that don't have enough power concentrated in a single point to overwhelm the ray. It's what Tien did to us when we tried a kamehameha with him and he shot our fucking arm through the beam. I don't think that will stop a Tri Beam though.
Wait a freaking minute, would copying Kazuma's technique work on a tri beam?
>>38740926It would be amazing if that worked. The tri beam may be to big or too strong though.
>>38740858So, wait, what would you have us do instead?We're near Cell's level, so our goofing around didn't affect our max pl just like we knew it wouldn't. We've kept up our pro-wrestling theme for a while but it hasn't been a problem before now.Mostly, we're sticking to the perfectly viable strategy of leaving the cuffs on until the Cell fight if we can. How would you have us proceed?Genuinely curious here, i'm not sure how much we can change when Dralo has everything set pretty much in stone.
>>38740850The problem wasn't really that it was standing over the ring but that DRALO didn't say the innocents were right "behind" it. If we had used the kamehameha, would it have blasted through and killed them?>>38740858That's not you saying no outright, that was you making an excuse and trying to justify not arguing.
>>38740977Meant for >>38740838
>>38740958You haven't even considered the fact that we could be stronger than Cell by now if we would have taken things seriously. Literally every one of your reasons is based on, "Well, Dralo thinks", when you don't know that. Stop trying to read in advance and metagame and just play the damn thing with a clear head. One hundred percent of quests go bad because of people trying to abuse OOC knowledge.>>38740977I didn't exactly say no but I figured you would be able to infer what I meant. Sorry that it was too confusing and hard to understand, me keep words short next time.
>>38740729But every other kind of attack misses. Dodon rays miss, kamehamehas miss, ki blasts miss, and destructo disks are legendary for missing.More importantly, any street brawler can tell you that going on the defensive against a stronger opponent with more reach is bad news. Charging puts us on the offensive. The only reason to think otherwise is that old retarded sentiment from fighting anime that anyone who smirks casually and attacks second wins automatically.By rights, shouldn't not charging be worse?
>>38740958Different anon here, in fact the one that has finished venting, we just have to choose the more conservative options towards the start of a fight. Charging constantly is bad etc. Let's try the Remove the Cuffs and Barrier strat, then try and take out the Cell Jr quick. If we get to fight Cell, fight defensively for the most part until we create an opening then teleport with a big attack. Until we get that opening we need to try and conserve energy and stamina while not going into full turtle mode on defense. Write ins for ways to keep that balance would probably be best if enough players supported them. Our big problem with the androids and cell has been over extending and rushing in, delpeting our energy and stamina. Dodon rays are probably good for conserving energy while providing a minor threat for example.
>>38741008Passive aggressive/10You sure you're still calm over there?
>>38741030yeah that's just my normal shitposting
>>38741008Waifu wars aren't OOC knowledge abuse anon, don't be silly. Let's also not assume Dralo would let us be stronger than Cell, he's never given us an estimate of our training that has gone beyond a 50% win chance. A 50/50 was the best we could hope for, I'm unsure if we even have that to be honest.
>>38741050Well, if we're as strong as him now when we fucked around, it's not an assumption to guess that we'd be even stronger if we put more time into training. That's just a logical sequence of eventsassumptions are baseless. Like yours
>>38741050Pretty sure he said our gains would only let us reach a level near Cell as well. We'll probably only get to his level by actually fighting him. If that happens. Gotta be honest I don't mind Gohan taking over. Just not sure if we can trigger him going full SSJ2.
>>38740859>>38740893In related news:Destructo Sword good if our opponent tries to force a melee, or we expect them to charge usKamehameha charges slow, but is powerful. If you're not going to get interrupted, it's useful - but note that your enemy may dodge it. This is mitigated a lot by IT in our case, and in the case of a patient person by just holding the charge and waiting for the opponent to try some bullshit.It's also damn good if you've just sent your foe flying into a rock formation. They're too far away to counter, AND too stunned to move.Wolf Fang Fist good on the defensive conserving energy. Has also shown to be effective in straight charges.Rampage Drive good for those "Oh shit I am being overpowered and might die" situations. Has tons of drawbacks though - being stalled out or walled out being one of them, as it's a fucking rapid energy drain. But if the enemy's in your face and about to fuck your face, go for it.Sky Breaker good for any fucking time you're in Rampage Drive and can fire the thing and hit the enemy and your friends aren't in the blast radius. Having yourself in the blast radius is acceptable, because if you're fighting something that's too tough to Rampage Drive down and too fast to Sky Break from a safe range, you're basically fucked when you run out of energy anyway.Flashbang GREAT for a turtling / defending opponent. Also good to interrupt a charging one that hasn't seen it used before.Vs. "Enemy uses a fast energy attack": Best option is to defend, or take advantage of the opening to start charging something.Vs. "Enemy uses a slow, strong energy attack": Charge if you can reach them, Dodge if you can't. Beam struggle if you want GAINZ.Standard counters.
>>38741008We can't be stronger than Cell. DRALO said explicitly while giving us the timeskip option a few threads back that our absolute max gains leaves us where we are now, a little less than Cell.And trying to guess what the QM thinks is the best option is how freeform narrative rp works. That's why we have system mechanics and dice; otherwise, it turns into exactly what we have here.
>>38741064Well remember Freeza, Androids 17 and 18, remember Imperfect Cell arriving on the island to absorb 17? Those were times were we didn't fuck around as much and still got our ass kicked for the most part. This is how it's going to play out regardless of how much we train, the main big bad's are going to end up being stronger than Kaguya, and we have to figure out a way to close that gap when fighting them.
>>38741064He told us maximum gains was 50% chance at beating Cell before any goofing around happened. Dralo doesn't use logic to determine our power he uses the needs of the plot as has been demonstrated for the androids and cell. With 3 years to train at "Unlimited Potential" with the PR to help us, we should have been way stronger than we were. With a year in the HTC and a half dozen super humans to train with we should have been stronger than we currently are using logic and Kazuma's power up trick.Anyway your assumptions are baseless. Try using actual information from previous threads to back up your stance.
>>38741027You're going to fight defensively against an opponent that gets stronger by trying to hit us and try to land a big hit on an opponent that has instant regen and zenkai?
>>38741105I fucked off during the recent threads because there was just too much silliness for me, so I wasn't aware of this. >>38741106Yeah I remember, that was pretty critical to the plot though in comparison to these three guys surviving>>38741119To be truthful all of our assumptions are baseless, except for one that I have on good authority. Things are getting serious these next few threads so I just ask you guys to NOT do the stupidest option like you've constantly been choosing toDynamite kick. Really. Wrestling speeches and poses. This is the kind of shit that does not belong right now. The
>>38741125The opposite strategy has the same results with the added detriment of us being too exhausted for the big hit to matter so yes. He will only get stronger than us (if he starts out weaker or becomes weaker) if we can effortlessly dodge his attacks. We won't be doing that I can practically guarantee it. Keeping a solid defense, minimizing damage and losses to stamina and energy while looking for an opening seems to be best strategy we have honestly.
>>38741153The opposite strategy lets us struggle to hit him, allowing us to make gains faster because we're weaker than he is. Continuing to press the attack is how we make gains. If defending did the same thing as fast, we would be doing that and anons would be complaining about how we defend all the time instead of charging.
>>38741095It's important to note that "Defend and Counter" is a safe option most of the time (Loses hard to the enemy charging something powerful, though, as seen in our fight vs. Krillin)."Charge" is also a safe option if your enemy ISN'T blatantly prepared for you coming, like Cell Jr was. And Nappa was. And Kazuma was. And Haya was. And etc. Tricking out an enemy with some close range bullshit to get at their blind side, or at least get at their front while they're not 200% COMEATMEBRO ready, is better.
>>38741198He isn't going to let us flail at him to get stronger though, he's flat out said as much. If we are in fact weaker than him instead of around his level we're going to get the crap kicked out of us when we try to fight him in melee without softening him up first. Defending does let us increase in strength as fast actually. Kazuma demonstrated that to us very recently. I'm not really suggesting choosing "Defend" at every opportunity but being passive and trying to exploit openings after a successful defense or energy attack instead of choosing to "Charge" or "Teleport and punch" as the default.
>>38741241Yeah a counter attack strategy works too. When Cell gets frustrated with our defensive ploys we can try to mix things up with a teleport counter followed up with RUSH RUSH RUSH meteor smash/Dempsey roll before he switches to a more cautious response and starts defending and creating some space. Then we go passive again and conserve our energy instead of charging into a brick wall.
>>38741256Defending works well for gains when the opponent is trying not to cut us in half. If it had been a gains race between us and kazuma he would have caught up and his us, the same way we catch up when we're trying to land a hit on another opponent.At least, as far as i can tell. Dralo can confirm or deny, i suppose.If i thought that defending worked as well, i would have said that we should have had every z warrior come at us at once and try to land a hit with cuffs for training. Should have worked wonders is that was the case.
>>38741286Quick strikes > Slow, Powerful strikesSlow, Powerful strikes > Block and counterBlock and counter > Quick strikesDodge and counter > Slow, Powerful strikesDodge and counter = Quick StrikesDodge and counter < Block and counter
>>38741346Well let's take a look here. Every time we've charged in a serious fight or spar we've gotten stuffed. Like what happened with Nappa when he beat us 3 times in a row since he's become a Super Saiyan. It worked out okay when we met the Cell Jr.s because they were charging too. Almost every other time we decide to charge Dralo tells us it was a bad decision. We should give the whole "Do something other than charge" strategy a chance and see if it works better at winning fights, even if it gives less "gains".>>38741384I wonder if we can convince Dralo to try out the Rock Paper Scissors style combat where he leaves a clue in the text about which would be best to go with. It would at least narrow the bad decisions down to 1 out of 3.
>>38741411He already does that, and I've listed my best guesses as to who is the rock to whose scissors in >>38741095>>38741241>>38741384But seriously when you throw Scissors as often as Kaguya does, eventually someone is going to play Rock.
>>38741424And where does >Dodon Ray>Kamehameha>Destructo DiscEtc fall in there? And the whole thing where dralo told us we rely on a lot of high energy consumption strategies/attacks and get gassed easily as a result?
>>38740776But people respect and revere piccolo, vegeta, and buu. They literally tried to exterminate humanity. Hercule gives the public a hero, throws parties for the z fighters and gives them everything they deserve.Hell, he even earned his fame to begin with. He really did solo that warlord that was threatening his city. Also, taking credit for cell prevented people from realizing that a handful of social rejects, a bandit, some children and a guy who used to call himself the Demon King have the power to exterminate all life on Earth on a whim, which is a pretty valuable service tbh. What else should he have done after the cell fight? Tell people the truth and watch them panic in the streets?Also, he hasn't even stolen credit yet. As far as we know, he's just a guy who trains hard, loves his daughter and showed up to the Cell games despite being totally terrified and utterly outclassed by the weakest person here.
>>38741411Nappa's power outclassed ours in every fight for various reasons. When we're on equal terms or better, charging has had a more reasonable rate of success.But i agree, we need a better way of determining what to do. If Dralo could confirm that anon's list of what moves are good for, we would be perfect.
>>38741475This.Remember EXACTLY what the rest of the earths relationship with this kind of thing was.For the longest time flying around shooting Ki blasts like this was reserved for ancient hermits nobody saw, and assassins trained by them. Hercule lost his master to a murderer with the same moveset as half our friends and that guy was an immortal who killed tons of others over the centuries.When we meet Tien, he idolizes that guy and publicly injures people over and plays with the lives of innocents, and that's his ONLY public exposure. The same can be said for Piccolo who destroyed the entire arena and publicly declared his intention to wipe out humanity, and his redemption happened out in wastelands and shit. Or Vegeta and Nappa, who slaughtered an entire fucking CITY of people and owned up to it on live camera.As far as the public is concerned, people like us are dangerous, repugnant monsters who get innocents killed and put everyone around them in danger, and they're RIGHT. Because that's the way it's been for hundreds of years.Then you have Hercule. The regular guy who can lift 20 busses without resorting to that shit and can train people to be relative supermen through sheer muscle power, and trains large numbers of them. He's easily stronger than most of the other human fighters like King Chappa and Nam who were killed by demons and unlike them he learned everything he knows right out in the open where people can see instead of in some crazy ass temple or wasteland.He's the guy that gives people hope. He essentially projects the idea that humanity can master it's own destiny and can do so without losing it's humanity the way the crazy triclops and the cyborg assassin did. In a very real sense while it doesn't have immediate gains, that lets people later have the groundwork to train with Ki attacks and other techniques once they spend the years people ordinarily need to get that kind of groundwork down.
So, late to the party, but I think these are our options:>Yell for Yamcha >very quickly pointing at the spectators below us>teleport dodge>believe in the Yamcha>pop the cuffs>Rampage Drive>blast the Kikoho and Jr>throw ourselves into the ring as we fall unconscious >believe in the GohanYeah ya'll are stupid sure, but at this point Kaguya's got some good friends we might have to believe in.