Welcome to the LIII installment of "Disney Villains Victorious."Disney Villains Victorious is a new /tg/ homebrew project based on the idea of a world, not entirely unlike our own, in which all the villains from all the Disney animated feature films were not defeated at the ends of their movies but were instead victorious, completing their goals in part or in whole.It is a world in which Ursula rules the seas, defied only by the uncatchable Pirate Lords, the cutthroat merchants of the East India Trading Company and the might of Atlantis and its magitech-toting mercenaries. It is a world where the grasslands and jungles and forests are prowled not only by fearsome primal beasts like Shere Kahn and Scar but also by the ruthless, tireless hunters that stalk them. It is a world where Europe has been divvied up between evil sorcerous monarchs like Maleficent, the Horned King, Grimhilde and Jafar, mad, inquisitorial clergymen like Frollo, and Dark Gods like Hades and Chernobog.It is not, however, a world completely devoid of courage, heroism or hope. Around the world, the PCs' characters and their allies plot and plan, fight and strive and win their own victories against the villains that would rule them. The time to fight and to be free is now.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+Victorioushttp://1d4chan.org/wiki/Disney_Villains_Victorious
>>36721017King/Land/Rule: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Disney_Villains_Victorious_K/L/RsAdventurer's Almanac: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kI-I-ClcaZc4YPFQzmExOxfqzHAsLOkqLnKufm9Ty5c/edit?pli=1Setting Traits: http://pastebin.com/8RRbwMQTBeast Species:http://pastebin.com/iPGVax1ATRAITS: http://pastebin.com/TJXncd7APOWERS:http://pastebin.com/pQDDqisUFluff Catalogue: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qj_IIuF_rqh_F2L-SeYn-dBiwDTtwWFpnbcXyfcgeE8/editSong Catalogue: (google doc) 1oQniqbLaTCF7V19fnXP0_zUW7GFr3ESziGM6U5mEcC0/editRumour Mill: (google doc) 17CzFrAblibwD__7sEYorqXSz4ILYVp1O4tcQ-mGyYiI/edit?usp=sharingVillain Immortality: http://pastebin.com/kA1wsUzVNational Anthems: http://pastebin.com/Gd9rETxbChimera Races: http://pastebin.com/B8SkUwWB (Out of date, needs to be updated)First Playtest: http://pastebin.com/Vy1E0sHBSecond playtest:http://pastebin.com/qE1kW0YYThird playtest: http://pastebin.com/sWj8Y87vFourth Playtest: http://pastebin.com/SHieN5zLFifth Playtest: http://pastebin.com/TGctR8VASixth Playtest: http://pastebin.com/8wUw2LegSeventh Playtest: http://pastebin.com/ygcRPBzfFirst Campaign Session: http://pastebin.com/Ne7SpFMJGoogle doc for character creation:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m8XSm73Ea4ECdDdP9V4IVJCEBji6HPw43LRPyUCDmx4/edit?usp=sharingPlaytests are hosted here; https://app.roll20.net/join/601097/mEiDCAMagic IRC is hosted on Mibbit, network is AsyloIRC, room is #DVVmagicExperimental new rules for Yzmic Chimeras http://pastebin.com/p2QaTaiB
Should he be on Pleasure Island then, still making his puppet shows? Might he help the heroes if they appeal to his best side?
>>36721304Holy crap. The picture.And, I think he should probably be on Pleasure Island. He might have villain or at least inner circle status.
>>36721017Would you look at that, we've looped all the way back around to the pic that started it all.
>>36721496Thought it would be a nice reminder of how far we've come actually.
>>36721017Quest/Adventure/CYO in title field, thank you.
just want yall to know I absolutely fucking love everything about this
>>36721572Had you looked at the OP for half a second you would have known this is a homebrew thread, not a quest.
>>36721572It's not a Quest, Adventure or a CYOA, actually. It's a /tg/ homebrew which is very nearly complete and in its beta testing and play phases while we finish statting its enemies. After the core game is finished, we plan on proceeding on to several expansions and splatbooks.>>36721592Thank you for your support, and please continue to enjoy and contribute however you see fit!
muppet expansion when
>>36721783Eh, could try to fit then somewhere in the toons expansion.
>>36721783I hadn't even considered the Muppets...Interesting.
>mfw exams are all doneI'm about to go get wasted though, so don't expect any quick answers if you ask me anything now.>>36721304>>36721409Awesome whip, and yes, he should be on Pleasure Island.
For the Muppets, I think the bad guys winning would be that the studio got taken and the Muppets never got back together in the 2011 movie. So, I guess that sometimes you would just come across a Muppet living a mediocre life. Like, you are in the subway and see Electric Mayhem busking, or Pepe the King Prawn running a sea food restaurant and hating every second of it.
Kings left to stat before we can officially declare a beta release:Queen La of the Leopard KingdomGeneral Santa Anna of the Empire of MexicoThe Huntsmen of the Elite Global Huntsman Club (Muntz, Clayton, Gaston, McLeach, Buldeo, Amos Slade, King Fergus)Chairman Cutler Beckett of the East India Trading Co.King Louis of the Kingdom of the Red FlowerProposed expansions so far:Things I ain't Even Tried: Magic for PCsGridlocked/Third Star to The Right/To Infinity and Beyond!: Modern/future stuff, mostly PixarBad Bluth and Twisted Dreams: Non-Disney stuffTwisted Toons: Self-explanatoryNo Rest for The Wicked: More Villain stuff, playing a minor badguyUnder The Sea/A Pirate's Life: Adventures over and under the seven seasEverybody Wants to be a Cat: more beasts stuffHellfire: a.k.a. the controversial expansion. Religion and cults, the struggle for the Mediterranean area or something like that.
>>36721949>>36721409Why would Stromboli be on pleasure island?I think it would make more sense for him to be travelling on his caravan, rich beyond his wildest dreams and loaded up on various magical artifacts with which he tours with to put on shows to blow the minds of the audiences.
>>36722020Also we need something with Honest John and Gideon.And Monstro.Damn Pinocchio had a lot of antagonists.
>>36722008Time to Light the Lights: Muppet Edition
>>36722008I think there is also a Studio Ghibli expansion to utilize glorious Nippon.
>>36722057Honest John and Gideon head west!
Generalissimo Santa AnnaRole: Charming/SmartCountry of Origin: The Empire of MexicoSize: MediumSpecies: Human---Attributes---Robustness: 9/14Agility: 9/14Intelligence: 13/14Sensibility: 9/14Charm: 15/15Will: 3/3Strikes: 4+3x, where X is the number of players in the party.---Skills---Acrobatics: 5Athletics: 6Melee: 8Ranged: 8Prevent Harm: 8Endure: 10Deceit: 9Persuasion: 10Intimidate: 6Academics: 9Travel: 5Insight: 5---Traits----KING:This character is a KING, and gains all the relevant bonuses thereof.-Master of an Army:This unit can call in Villains to assist him in battle if they have not been defeated.-Yes, Generalissimo!:Any unit under Santa Anna's direct command is granted +2 to all rolls while Santa Anna himself also gains +1 to all rolls.-A Man of Wealth and Taste:+3 to social checks on any subject that an important man of wealth and taste really ought to know.---Powers----Witty Repartee:Spend a Will Point. This unit may make a physical attack and a social attack simultaneously in a single round.-Let Us Talk This Out:Spend one Will Point. This unit can make an impassioned plea for parlay, pausing martial combat for a number of rounds equal to the results of a single Persuasion check. During this time, only social attacks can be made by ether side.-Guards! Guards!:Spend two Will Points. Santa Anna may summon four Imperial Mexican Guardsmen of Inner Circle ranking to aid him in battle.-Cannonade:Spend three Will Points. The area is bombarded by cannon fire for 18 rounds, doing this unit's ranged damage score once every three rounds to all combatants within range. Each of these attacks may be dodged by passing an acrobatics check with a target number of 25.Equipment:Santa Anna's Regalia: +3 to social checksSanta Anna's Saber: +3 to MeleeSanta Anna's Pistolas: +3 to RangedOld Coonskin Cap: +3 to Intimidate
>>36722057I seem to remember Monstro was supposed to be one of the great sea monsters competing with or obeying Ursula, like the Kraken, the Leviathan and the Robo-shark. Are we gonna use movie Monstro or original Pescecane? The former is just a strangely aggressive whale, the latter is a motherfucking giant shark nicknamed "The Attila of fishes and fishermen".
>>36722617The second option seems much more in-keeping with our horrible little world, so I'd say use the second option.
>>36722602Seems fine, but I have some doubts about Let Us Talk This Out. Considering how fast paced combat is leaving most physical oriented character twiddling their thumbs for a minimum of 28 turns seem a bit harsh.
>>36721017>no subtitleabsolutely disgusting
>>36722720Yeah, I actually just realized that I forgot to put a subtitle. This is the subtitleless edition. My sincere apologies.>>36722717>>36722602You're completely right. My brain must have shortcircuited because I did NOT do any sort of math when I set down that number. Cripes. What would you suggest to fix it? Maybe make the "time-out" a flat six or twelve rounds?
>>36722833Make it something like 10-12 turns plus an additional one for every 10 points over a TN of 20?
Hey guys, since DVV is in its 53rd thread. I should post a thread about it in SB and/or SV. But, I wanna know how you guys think first.
>>36722864That seems reasonable, yeah. It gives Santa Anna time to do his song and dance without breaking up the flow of combat too badly. Thank you, I think that could work.
>>36722929You can try, but I fear the general reaction will be either apathy or overwhelming negativity. There is just something about classic Disney movies that seems to bring out the autism in a lot of people.
>>36722929I feel like a fool, but I don't recognize the abbreviations.
>>36723047The Spacebattles and Sufficient Velocity forums. They have large tabletop games communities but they aren't generally very friendly with 'channers.
>>36723106Ah, got you. Thanks for the clarification. I really do want us to share this project with others, but I worry about the "overwhelming negativity" that the other Anon above had suggested might be aimed our way. I mainly worry about folks trashing the Wiki, really. Maybe it would be better to wait to share until we get some form of PDF hammered out? I don't know.
With Santa Anna in the canna (I'm sorry), who should I tackle next? I would update the Wiki but I'm on my phone and it won't let me.
>>36723291I'd say wait for the thread to fill up a little more and get some more opinions for now. I wouldn't be too worried about the wiki, we're not new to mass vandalism.
>>36723412Beckett, I would say.
>>36723412Louie, technically he's the last beast king left. Or one of the huntsmen.
>>36723412We still don't have Radcliffe somehow, despite him being one of the more important Kings.
>>36723592I could have sworn we had him. There was a big discussion over if he should have a cannon or not
>>36723592Yeas we do. He was in the 48th thread.
>>36723658Great memory you have!
>>36723490I feel like there ought to be some easy way of statting the Huntsmen, based on switching around the stats that each one is dominant in based on their roles and giving them similar trait and power pools but I don't know quite how it would work.
>>36723658I stand corrected.
I'm almost due to leave work, but when I get home I think I'll begin work on the Huntsmen's stats. Maybe I'll be able to figure out an efficient way of doing it.
Sorry to bump without content but, bump.
Blargh, I'm here.Adding stuff to the wiki. Might compile an uploaded album of all the DTP character's art if that guy still wants it.
>>36725446Art-commissioner hopeful here. I'm at my main computer now and was just about to archive-dive and compile the character art and descriptions myself. I can handle that, so please don't stress yourself over that if it's too much of a bother.
>>36725501Well, if you're going to do it then it's fine I suppose. Myself, Jeremiah and Lazarus are here:https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/1357091/post-character-sheets-here-for-future-games#post-1390908Hannah and Naacha here: https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/1348693/post-your-character-sheets#post-1349150And Mary's only in-thread. Note that I had two different pictures for Sverd, one just because the armor was better. If you get a piece commissioned, it will be the second piece of art we ever got for DVV due to a severe deficiency of drawfags.
>>36725613Thanks so much for the links! I've been with this project from the beginning, and it'd be pretty cool to get a piece of art commissioned for DVV as a thank you for everyone's hard work. The Drawfriend in question is the one who's been doing this art in the latest drawthread:>>36722010>>36719789>>36719937He said that he'd charge $25 for a pretty polished piece, which seems reasonable to me.Is there any sort of composition that you think would be good? I had considered a group shot with Hannah leaning against Sverd and Lazarus leaning against Mary so that the two are forced closer together, based on the DTP stories that have been written, but I'm open to any and all ideas.And didn't we have an Allosaur?
My entire fucking computer just bluescreened. Great.>>36725836Yeah, my bad, we did have Dino Kissinger instead of Naacha for the DTPs. You'd need to archive dive for him too.
>>36725978You mean Arthrodemus? Because he's in the character creation doc.
>>36725978Sorry to hear about your computer issues. I'm trying to figure out those links because they keep routing me back to the main campaign page.
>>36726041Oh, nice. He is in the character creation doc, which means the only one that you'd need to archive dive for is Mary.
>>36726041That's him. Any suggestions for a layout or theme for the commission? Should we go with the group shot idea or something more dynamic?
>>36725501>>36725836Here is the 'alternate' picture for Sverd, which is just supposed to be his armor.>>36726065You need to join the goddamn campaign. Jesus, we explain this at least twice every thread. https://app.roll20.net/join/601097/mEiDCA
>>36726126Ha, I feel like an idiot now. Sorry for putting you through that again.
Here is Mary by the wayhttps://archive.moe/tg/thread/36148225/#36149081
>>36726093You could do something based off the DTP stories or just go with a normal group shot. If you want to really go the extra mile you could include the Campaign characters as well.>>36726126>>36726157This guy posted the wrong link. It is https://app.roll20.net/join/585117/yX0x1w
>>36726206Thanks Sverd. I'm compiling everything together now and mashing all the reference pictures into a whole to send to the artist.
>>36722602>-Guards! Guards!:>Spend two Will Points. Santa Anna may summon four Imperial Mexican Guardsmen of Inner Circle ranking to aid him in battle.>Two Will points>Four Inner CirclesThis definitely late, but you are SEVERELY underestimating the power of PC'sAnd that power is weak as fuckHe literally gets a better version of that power in his traits list
>>36722685>>36722617Monstro was "a whale of a whale", though. Furthermore, consider his appearance: his teeth and the shape of his head point to him being a Livyatan Melvillei, an extinct species of sperm whale, but his underbelly and size say "blue whale". Perhaps Melvillei never went extinct in this word and he is a liger-like hybrid between the two, but then why does he chase after tuna?They're completely unsuitable prey for a toothed whale of that size!Monstro is like the Kraken: dangerous, beyond explanation and probably the last of his kind.>>36722602Looks good, though you're right to tone down Let Us Talk This Out.
I'm unfortunately going to be indisposed for a time. I entrust conversation and bumpage to you fine gentlemen.
Hey can someone arch-dive or stat me a typical horse? Need it for the riders.
>>36728219HorsesSize: Medium or Large (non-pony horses will be large, granting +2 Robustness and +2 to Brawl on charges)Natural Weapons: Hooves provide +2 to Brawl.Racial Traits:-Run Like The Wind: +2 to Athletics and Travel. Add 20 meters to base speed. +2 to Agility cap.-Smarter Than You Look: 1 rank in Academics, Occult, or ScienceAttribute Bonuses: +4 Agility, -2 Sensibility.I suppose a typical horse would be a mook with the species modifiers applied.
>>36727092I forgot how horrifying that whale was.
>>36726206What does Sverd's heraldry look like? Something like this?
>>36730131Minus the wings, with the swords crossed, upturned and behind the Wolf. Pretty similar, though.
>>36730181I did not mean to upload that photo and actually don't know why it's there. That's actually really weird. I don't recall selecting it for upload.
>>36730234Maybe you'd already queued it up earlier?
>>36726092Thread XXI, if you're still looking
>>36730234Would your house happen to be built on an Iroquois burial ground or some shit like that?
>>36730234>>36730181How about this? Not sure if I like filling the thread with character references, but until more people join with some discussion or crunching, it's the best I can do.
>>36730399That's totally fine mate. As far as crunching goes, we still have a ton of kings left to do. It's ten exactly now, I believe.
>>36730327>>36727643I found it and have annotated it, but thanks so much for helping point it out! I'm trying to create a similar image for each character in the commission piece. Not sure if it's overkill or worth posting here, but it's better than nothing maybe.
>>36725836Also, you're getting a art piece commissioned for DTP? I'm honestly kind of in in awe at the thought. Props to you, base anon. I'm super happy about it. Here's hoping it all works out
>>36730430Haha it probably would have been more useful a couple hours ago. Between finals and the new capcha fucking up my phone app I've gotten a bit behind on the threads
>>36730399>>36730131>rotated the swords 45 degrees>a feat impossible in MSPaintPhotoshop? GIMP? An hereto undiscovered heraldry making website?REVEAL YOUR SECRETS TO ME DAMN YOU!
>>36730480I'm really going to follow through on this, yeah. I thought it would be a nice thing to do as a Christmas and Holiday gift, given that we've all worked really hard on this project. I'm working now at making reference image compositions for each character to try and get them right to how they are in the story and threads, or at least how I've been reading them. I'm all for everyone's contributions or changes.
>>36730571GIMP, which I don't really know how to use yet.
Guys, what is the current situation in New Orleans? Facilier's K/L/R doesn't mention the city specifically,but I saw his plan for the city as being essentially fairly similar to the way it is, but with him at the head with people making bargains left and right, rather than a despotic voodoo dictatorship. (Also, this seems like it would be a much more interesting setting, as we already have plenty of dictatorships.) He promised his Friends "all the lost souls in the city", not just ALL the souls in the city, so it doesn't seem like he is just doing some sort of mass-sacrifice.
>>36730665I remember talk about it being in a constant state somewhere between Mardi Gras and a New Orleans funeral, where nobody trusts the other and the shadows lurch and slide and circle, but everyone is trying their best to ignore it and go on partying, wheeling and dealing.
I have to step away again but here's what I've got so far for Sverd. The armor description is from his profile, and I remembered something about him having a locket with the Queen of Arendelle's picture inside. Are there any other little notices to tack onto this image? Mary's needed a bit more sprucing up to "Atlantify" her but I want each character to be depicted as accurately as can be managed.I have to step away again but if any of you know of any artists you might like for this thing over that one I just happened to see in the drawthread, I'm open to suggestions. I don't have a crapdillion dollars to spend, but I don't want to cheap out on this either.
>>36729147He's even worse there's something around to compare his size too.
I know that he isn't strictly Disney, but would Rasputin be DVV? He could do all kinds of cool shit in Post-Revolution Russia.
>>36731030>Post-Revolution Russia>CHURNED UP BOGThat said, I'd love to shove him in sideways as a Villain because, come on, who else is there to put in Bald Mountain Land?
How to Train your Dragon.I was watching it yesterday and I found myself thinking, "What if Hiccup had killed the Night Fury?"Any of you have anything on this?
>>36731030>>36731423Rasputin is currently lined up to be one of the major villains of the non-Disney expansion that will be done eventually, specifically this version; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocm8QdNR_d8>>36731838ironically if we include HTTYD in the non-Disney supplement I'd suggest it being one of the few where the bad guys didn't win(they don't always have to win, just most of the time, as one of our earlier concepts for Pinocchio went) to provide one of a handful of spots of light in the setting(basically convincing the Riders of Berk to join you in taking down some of the other villains should be an important thing you can do in a campaign)
>>36731953The whole joke of that version of Pinocchio was that the Coachman is one of the only Disney villains to actually get off scot-free in the original. That doesn't happen in either HTTYD or its sequel, which both had defined antagonists who lost.
so here's the current planned expansion list;Things I ain't Even Tried: Magic for PCsGridlocked/Third Star to The Right/To Infinity and Beyond!: Modern/future stuff, mostly Pixar and Disney TV animated seriesBad Bluth and Twisted Dreams: Non-Disney stuffTwisted Toons: Self-explanatory(will go heavily into Duck related matters, especially Scrooge McDuck and Darkwing Duck)No Rest for The Wicked: More Villain stuff, playing a minor badguyUnder The Sea/A Pirate's Life: Adventures over and under the seven seasEverybody Wants to be a Cat: more beasts stuffTime to Light the Lights: Muppet Edition(might just be a part of the Twisted Toons supplement or the To Infinity And Beyond supplement)we might want to start hashing out some of the basics for what will be included in each of them, so we don't get too confused later on>>36732010well true, but we do need a couple more obviously bright spots in the world(kinda like earlier proposals to have Maldonia and Corona be mostly unaffected by these events outside of Hans being the current ruler of Corona), also I just realized once we start adding the non-Disney stuff into the world, that Farquad(not sure how to spell his name) would probably be one of Frollo's most staunch allies in his crusade against magic(even if stat wise he'd probably be one of the single most pathetic villains in the setting)
I figured I ought to put in a reference too. Not much to it, but hey, everything helps
>>36732359This is fantastic, thank you! Onto the composite it goes.
Just wanted to say thanks for what you're doing, commissionfag. It'll be really cool to have an actual piece of art for the threads. Maybe you should ask to include some kind of DVV logo above the artwork? That way, we could use it as a sort of title art kinda thing.
>>36732219I think the Muppets thing should be like the whole Bert is Evil thing.
>>36732589We've all invested a lot of time, brain-power and as sappy as it sounds, heart into this project. Personally, I've done a bit of writing and a bit of crunching and more than a bit of slacking at my actual 9-5 job on account of DVV, but what I haven't and can't do is draw worth a damn. If I could then all our characters and bits of fluff would have been illustrated long ago. It's a shame we haven't attracted many artists over the course of the threads.I'm really looking forward to this, and want to make sure all these characters are properly represented.
>>36730729I like it.Trait Ideas:He's Got A Sword!: +2 to Intimidate as long as you are wielding a melee weapon.Nothing To See Here:+2 to Stealth checks to blend into a crowdBackup Vocals: You can assist any music roll for 1 action, giving that roll a bonus of [either half your music skill or your full music skill, which do you guys think is more balanced?]
>>36733093Dishonor on Your Cow!: +2 to social rolls appealing to someone's warrior culture.
>>36733093>>36733200Nice, nice. I like them. They're flavorful and they fit in well with the ones we've got already.
>>36732359Wait is everybody supposed to be doing character refrences for that art thingIf so mine's just a teenage Jackie Robinson in (somehow) high-tech umpire armorPlus a little robot buddyAlso second rider is doneName: Machlah, The Good DoctorRole: Villain/Intelligent & Sensible GuyClass: Rider of Pestilence/Battle MedicSize: MediumSpecies: Human?---Attributes---Robustness: 6/14 Agility: 10/14 (16 when on Horse/Mount)Intelligence: 18/14Sensibility: 16/14Charm: 6/14Will: 5/5Strikes: 7+X2, where X is the number of party members.---Skills---Athletics: 5Craft: 7 + 1 from Armor.Occult: 6Science: 9 + 2 from role and Armor.Melee: 5 + 1 from Weapon.Ranged: 7 + 3 from Weapon.Prevent Harm: 6 + 3 from Villain trait and Armor.Endure: 6 + 3 from Villain trait and Armor.---Traits----VillainThis unit is a Villain. It gets +2 to Prevent Harm and Endurance.-Rider+1 bonus to combat rolls for every character that has the Rider trait that is in the party or nearby.-Trust me, I'm a Doctor+2 on Science, Occult, and Academics if you can somehow explain how your character knows this particular subject.-Heart of Prometheus+3 to all rolls involving Occult and Crafting simultaneously.Powers and equips in a bit>>36733093Half I guess would make more sense, probably for crunch tooLooks good bruh
>>36733319>Backup Vocals: You can assist any music roll for 1 action, giving that roll a bonus of [either half your music skill or your full music skill, which do you guys think is more balanced?]Do you prefer full music skill as a bonus or just half of it?
>>36733632Half would mean a bonus of 2-3, full would be 3-6. Unless you think Charm/whatever attribute you use to roll it should also come in.
I'm struggling a bit in my search and in staying awake, so here's the compilation image for the commission to come. If anyone who is in the know about the character Hannah could find any suitable images for her, I would be greatly appreciative. Please try to keep the thread going if possible, and have a great night everyone!
>>36733630Right now I'm trying to focus on the characters in the DTP stories, plus whatever extras I can get thrown in. I'm not going to cheap-out on this commission but I'll have to be careful with how much I can afford to spend. Having a reference picture for commissions, /tg/ drawthreads or otherwise can't hurt though.>>36733678>>36733632Maybe half if "Backup Vocals" is a trait and full if it's a Have to turn in now though. Night folks!
>>36733630---Powers----Bubonic Master (Unique!)Machlah can attack with nearly any number or combination of status effects. For each attack, Machlah can choose a status effect to use with it. Status effects also have an AoE of 5m.-Poison-Burning-Freezing-Stun-Bleeding [Each action taken by bleeding unit causes them to lose 1 Robustness and Agility. Cannot be reduced to below 1.]-Insanity [SAN LOSS. -2 to Intelligence and Sensibility, cannot be reduced to below 1.]-Confusion [50% chance for attacks to hit allies]-Plauge [Easiest one to endure, if not endured however, it causes all remaining Strikes to be reduced to zero on plauged unit's third turn.]-Plauge MasterFor one Will point, unit can summon 6 Spirits of Plauge in to 6 corpses. Spirits of Plauge are considered above-average Lackeys, with one more Strike than usual, and can inflict any of the status effects listed above.-Grey RiderUnit is or is a servant of Pestilence itself. After inflicting a status effect, there is a 33% chance unit can roll to inflict it again. For Apocalypse inflict a random status effect.-Fill Me Up!/DOCTORFor one Will point, unit can make a Science or Craft roll against TN35 to heal a chosen target for 5 Strikes.---Equipment----Scalpel: Sharp. One-Handed, grants +1 to Melee.-Syringe Rifle: Modified rifle to shoot syringes and regular bullets filled with poisons. Two-handed, grants +3 to Ranged.-Grey Medical Practitioner's Clothes: Pretty fancy. Light Armor, grants +1 to Prevent Harm, Endure, Science, and Craft.>>36733781Oh ok, DTP characters. Somehow that slipped my mind. Sorry. Hope it turns out well.
>>36733781Maybe make Backup Vocals full Music, and it's a Power. (also, I suggest that it doesn't require a turn, just a Will Point)Amended power:Backup Vocals: Whenever someone makes a music roll, you may choose to spend a Will Point to add your music score to their roll, including equipment bonuses.
>>36734059Also, it'd probably be a Charming Power
If Nob would prefer it, I've put together a much better character that I like much more to bring into the campaign rater than the bear that nobody liked.His name is Arm Gravois, he's a street musician from New Orleans, and he actually has a well-developed backstory and is pretty nice. Also, I found a stock photo model who pretty much matches my vision of him, so that's nice.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zuMj5M9KDmS5KmgYGa48X_rT1XPkknIw6-ewSfiit64/edit?usp=sharing
>>36734863Looks pretty good, but I'd recommend removing the +4 to deceit/persuade versus females thing. Two separate players having that trait and it's implications for roleplaying is too much and is gonna cause WAY too much overlap. The focus on music and intimidation is good for both crunch and fluff though, and he looks pretty good besides that. I'd definitely advise you to go more 'composed, intimidating guy who understands how people work and knows what to say' instead of 'bravado-filled frontline idiot'. If you wanna break the build there's a +7 to intimidate trait you could take instead.On a slightly racist note, I don't actually think Disney is capable of creating an attractive black male character. At least, nowhere near the levels of attractive of Naveen or Ryder.
>>36734971Don't call /pol/ on me for this but I don't actually think blacks can reach disney-level beauty. I don't wanna start a flame war or anything over this and am not gonna respond to anybody trying to start one, that's just my opinion from working for two years as a teacher for juvie prisons. The vast majority really just aren't attractive at all.
>>36732646I was thinking more, that for playable Muppets, they'd be less durable and less able to warp the laws of nature than a Toon(still able to do it however), but they also don't have to be Funny all the time like most Toons are forced to be if they want to be at their most effective>>36733093there needs to be a trait called You Idiots We all Got Swords! as well>>36734971personally I'm pretty sure Naveen is black(or at least has a heavy amount of African in his bloodline), also John Henry and the black guy from Atlantis both prove you wrong as well
>>36735095Naveen is really obviously Iberian. He has absolutely no African features at all.For that matter very few people in Princess and the Frog have African features, though. Everyone looks really heavily mixed at least, including Tiana. If Naveen was supposed to be part black Disney did a horrible job potraying it, he looks absolutely Iberian.
>>36735119Facilier is literally the only person in the entire film to have any sort of black features, and it's only because he has a short african nose while everyone else has a normal one. He has curly hair though which is weird and not african.Disney is just literally incapable of making black people. they'd probably look incredibly weird if drawn in disney style tho
>>36735197You may be forgetting one or two.
>>36735119>>36735197Tiana has the black nose as well, but the rest of their features are European. >>36735246Also this guy.Disney knows drawing people who actually look black would look weird as fuck on-screen and turn people off, so they either just stick an african nose and dark skin on european features or comicize it.
>>36735036Okay, I was able to give a fucking monkey that trait without anyone raising an eyebrow, but a black man is too far? That's just sad.>>36734971I do like the idea of two characters falling over each other competing over a girl, but you may have a point.
>>36735262Well, yeah. Imagine one of these things on screen. Eugh.
>>36735119The general theory I've heard about Naveen is that he's half-Middle Eastern or maybe Indian, half Portuguese (hence being from "two long lines of royalty").
>>36735309That makes sense to me.>>36735283Here's a picture of Elsa for reference to albanism.
So how does this setting deal with the clearly variant time settings of the movies?Is it on a timeline or what? Snow White clearly occurred centuries before Pocahontas, and Atlantis centuries after that. Are games to be set along a history with nations rising and falling depending on the time or is there some way it all happens at once?
>>36735765The official story is the Chernaburger took all the settings and mashed them together for maximum misery to fuel himself. GM can obviously change it around as he wants, though.
>>36735797Alright. I like that.
Have we decided when the canon deviation point in each story is? IE the moment where something different happens that leads the villain to ultimately win.
>>36736163That's a negative captain.
>>36736163Generally, it varies. Some have a strong consensus, while others are more flipfloppy. It's generally agreed that the divergence point for Arendelle was Anna failing to escape the palace, for instance, but with Aladdin, some people have the divergence point as early as the Cave of Wonders and other have it as late as the Prince Ali reprise.
>>36736236Sure.I've just rewatched Atlantis, the turning point is kind of important to determine who's still alive as throughout the movie's climax he loses his supporting characters.For example if the spanish one with the hips hadn't stayed with Milo, Rourke would still have the secondary characters in his mercenary squad and if Milo had been hit by a stray bullet in the big flying fight he wouldn't have them but he'd still have Helga as his sidekick.
>>36736236Pretty much this. It's left intentionally vague most of the time.
>>36736300As I remember, Atlantis is kind of an interesting case in the DVV universe. I believe that the turning point is essentially that instead of boxing the Kidagakrystal Heart of Atlantis up to sell to the highest bidder, he got ambitious and decided to take the whole city and all its magitech for himself. Making an impassioned argument to the Expedition and Atlanteans both that what's done is done, and with war raging on the surface above the world needs is a strong, rejuvenated Atlantis, he manages to take the wind out of Milo's sails and convince/bully him and the other more conscientious Expedition members into going along with his plans. Using Kidagakrystal's power, together they figure out how to raise Atlantis to the surface once more and reestablish it as a small but mighty sovereign nation above the waves.The point at which the Imperial Republic of Atlantis enters into the DVV world is roughly twenty years after this occurs, at a time in which Atlantis has really come into its own in terms of its power and Rourke's ambition. This gives them enough time for their WWI-era super-tech and Atlantean crystal-tech to be effectively hybridized, and for a new generation of Atlantean-Americans to grow old enough to start adventuring.
Are we still doing DoomTown or are we saving t for the expansion?
Are there any playtests/campaigns open to jumping in active?I'd like to give it a spin.
Could we use this
>>36737436I believe that Doomtown is either being saved for the Modern expansion or the Toon expansion, most likely the Toon expansion. It's something worth looking forward to.>>36737453At the moment I believe that there's a Beta Test campaign being played on Roll20, but that it may be full up. There may be some other Anons though on the threads or Roll20 that may want to start up another game to run concurrently.Anyway, working again on the commission compilation. If anyone knows of any good artists that take commissions let me know!
>>36737436It was on the main map once, but we decided to remove it and save it for the Toons expansion.>>36737453The test campaign is full unfortunately, but everyone is welcome to join and spectate with the Roll20 link in the second post. The second session will be this evening at 7pm EST.
>>36737582Wait a second... is that this thing? As silly as it is, I feel like it could make a great boss fight for PCs aboard an Atlantean submarine.
>>36737593So the Toon expansion will be about how Toon characters work? That seems kind of thin, maybe we could have it feature some non-Disney stuff? I'd love to see some Loony Tunes characters, but then again, they don't have much in the way of villains...
>>36737716How Toon characters work will be the focus, while including all Disney's more obviously cartoony properties along with it. However, adding some Warner Brothers' properties might not be out of line if done carefully.
>>36737742Sounds good. I love the cartoon, tricky-type characters and playing one sounds amazing.
>>36737582>>36737609Where is that from, anyway?But yeah, could easily work in the setting. Ursula grabbing an Atlantean submarine, shoving a spider crab inside, and parading it around would make for an excellent fuck-you to Rourke.
>>36737609it's a thing alright; it's called a yamato crab, a huge crustacean that uses wrecked ships in a manner similar to hermit crabs, it's form the game Diluvionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4QFhfQCc5w
Maybe we could have an expansion about the Disney Afternoon shows? I would like to propose the name Sliver Screen Turned Black.
>>36737891What would that cover, exactly? I imagine most of them (the ones that aren't just plain inconsistent, anyway) would wind up in either Toontown or Modern.
>>36737918Point made. However, I would enjoy a game where my character can fight alongside the Gummi Bears.
>>36737582>What is that, some sort of a--WAIT A FUCKING SECOND THAT'S NO SHIP
>>36737822Very interesting. I really could see this Yamato Crab as a boss for an Atlantean Sub-based campaign, and from the footage you've shared, the game seems like a possible inspiration for our future High Seas campaign.Also, I might have to look into this game myself.
>>36737934By inconsistent, I mean more "inconsistent with something already well-established." Like TaleSpin, for instance - that's not a rag on its quality, but a good chunk of Asia is under control of a group of characters who contradict it by virtue of existing.Of course, maybe somewhere in Britain you can find the remains of Gummi Glen and Castle Dunwyn.
>>36737943It may also be a good idea to look into Ocean Hunter, Purely for sea monsters to give Ursula some more oomph
>>36737979>conquered and razed by the horned kingI like this. It makes me chuckle.
I have some ideas for non-Disney Expansions:Blue Sky's Turned Black:Blue Sky Studios.Twisted Ghibli: Studio Ghibli
>>36738228I'm still trying to compile a visual and text-based reference guide for the DTP cast picture I want to commission, but I can't find much in the way of a description of this Hannah character aside from the fact that she's a lute-playing musician with a port wine birthmark covering the left side of her face and a penchant for puns.
>>36737935>>36737822>>36737943>>36737609>>36737582>it attacks the surface world, keeping only it's 'shell' above the water until the very last second
>>36738298Yes. People will think it's a ghost ships, UNTIL!
>>36738484>>36738298It should totally be able to fire the guns too. I don't care if it doesn't make any sense and a wizard has to do it. It should totally be able to fire the guns.
>>36738484>>36738509>it's manned by thousands of crabmen
>>36738556>>36738509>>36738484>>36738298I know Ursula needs some punch but now we've gone too far! What has science done?
>>36738556>Gigantic hermit crab with an Atlantean warship "shell.">Ship is manned by thousands of Crabmen crewmates.>Onboard Atlantean technology is used to bypass the city's perimeter defenses.>The grand finale of the campaign is an all out defense against the Crustacean menace assaulting the Atlantean Home Island.
>>36738695so the body doesn't have Strikes but the legs do?
>>36738836If the Crabby Crew were attacking Atlantis's Home Island itself, I'm envisioning a full-scale land to sea battle taking place. The island's extensive artillery defenses, both conventional and lightning-based can't get a lock on the thing because it's an animal that moves quickly and randomly across shallows and farmlands and not predictably like a ship. The PCs must either:>Use air and water craft to bring the attack to the Yamato Crab, striking at its legs to down it and keep it from marching on the city-proper.>Infiltrate the ship itself, fighting the Crustacean Crew to reactivate and overload the ship's crystal powerplant and destroy it.
So, seeing as I really want to stat this beast, what are we going to do stat-wise about cannons and things that really only be hurt/damaged by cannons? We could just take what we use for character combat and say Vehicle combat is the same thing just scaled up, with the numbers now representing greater values on the character scale, but what are we going to do when you point a cannon at a character?
>>36738962>>Use air and water craft to bring the attack to the Yamato Crab, striking at its legs to down it and keep it from marching on the city-proper.>>Infiltrate the ship itself, fighting the Crustacean Crew to reactivate and overload the ship's crystal powerplant and destroy it.Why not both then, divide the party up into tow teams; one to slow the Crab down, the other to take out it's means to counterattack the ADF (Atlantean Defense Force)
>>36739097It's kind of dangerous to shoot at a craft that your friends are on.
>>36739063Let's see here...Cannons and artillery could essentially be considered as entities with all their attribute points in Strong and Nimble, and all their skill points in Ranged. Here, Strength and Ranged work together to represent the hitting power of the unit's ammunition and Nimbleness represents how quickly and easily the unit can track its targets, or could be what the PCs must roll against to dodge incoming fire.
>>36739145If all else fails then Rourke could always sic the Leviathan on it
>>36739188Ah, but if it was able to reach the Home Island, it's already used the Atlantean tech aboard the shell-ship to bypass the Leviathan Defense Perimeter.
>>36739201I'm assuming that there's a 'Leviathan Override and Direct Control Suit'
>>36739145>Cannons and artillery could essentially be considered as entities with all their attribute points in Strong and Nimble, and all their skill points in Ranged.Skills and Agility should probably come from the user, and there should be penalties on the attacking Agility roll that increase with range and cannon size and decrease with target size.>>36739188Ah, yes, the Leviathan. Ursula would need to throw everything she had at Atlantis to stand a fair chance.You know what really gets me about the Leviathan? It implies that there are two other Atlantean machine-beasts of the same size and power elsewhere in the world: the land-based Leviathan and the flying Ziz.
>>36739225>'Leviathan Override and Direct Control Suit'>Rourke's final boss mode
>>36739251Would the land-based Leviathan be the Behemoth? Maybe a giant, Shadow of the Colossus style thing.For some reason, I had assumed that the Leviathan was built late in Ancient Atlantis' war against... whomever was around to fight them, before they dropped their crystaltech super-nuke. As such, there might be more around, buried in the cataclysm, and even a secret wartime facility lost out there somewhere that was responsible for building them. Rourke could be trying to find that facility.
>>36739300>Would the land-based Leviathan be the Behemoth?Oh, yeah, my brain obviously short circuited when I was typing that.>For some reason, I had assumed that the Leviathan was built late in Ancient Atlantis' war against... whomever was around to fight them, before they dropped their crystaltech super-nuke. As such, there might be more around, buried in the cataclysm, and even a secret wartime facility lost out there somewhere that was responsible for building them. Rourke could be trying to find that facility.Behemoth, Leviathan and Ziz are a trio of monsters (though since Ziz is usually forgotten it's more of a duo) which are basically the biggest, scariest and most dangerous creatures, and they are all one of a kind. I'd say that the Atlantean machine-beasts of the same name are also one of a kind. I'd also say that there's no ONE facility that was responsible for building them; each would've taken the combined efforts of multiple specialized facilities to construct.
>>36738240I am pointing out this other post as a way to change the subject on the crab.
>>36739409That makes sense to me. I like it.
>>36739251Actually,doesn't the Leviathans targeting array only trigger if the target is Inorganic and Isn't carrying an Atlantean Crystal Beacon
>>36739555I think, though I may be wrong, that the Leviathan got broken in the Great Flood that sank Atlantis, disabling its flight capabilities and locking its programming into "Atlantis Perimeter Patrol" mode that targets anything, organic or inorganic, above a certain size or numeric threshold that doesn't have an Atlantean Crystal Beacon. Luckily, Ursula and anything she could feasibly attack Atlantis with meet its search and destroy criteria.
>>36739613Oh, sorry, Haven't seen Atlantis in a while, or, more than once
>>36739648I don't know that it was ever really spelled out explicitly in the movie itself, but that's the talk I've seen in these threads, anyway.
>>36739678>>36739648>>36739613>>36739555The way I see it:>Leviathan: originally built with flight capability, but it's submarine capabilities were always it's strong point>Behemoth: poor flight used only for travel, combat monster when firmly on the ground>Ziz: the greatest flying machine that Atlantis ever builtAnother thought: if there ever were Behemoth and Ziz, then chances are they're out there, still active and guarding two really, really important things.
>>36739834>Behemoth>guarding two really, really important things'The Jungles of the Leopard Queen start to shake violently...'
For reference, Ziz is always described as simply either a bird or a griffon, while Behemoth is a bit more vaguely described. Some put him as an elephant, crocodile, or water buffalo, but the hippopotamus is the most commonly accepted one. Granted, Leviathan was described as a sea serpent, but it's not like anyone who encountered him before the voyage of the Ulysses was able to get any sort of good look at him.You know, I wish that Behemoth and Ziz were featured in that 3-part pseudo-sequel to Atlantis, just to see what they would've looked like if left up to Disney.
I was thinking, will the Villain expansion let the players use "bad guys only" races, like wights, crabmen and living shadows?
>>36739927>>36740017Sorry, trying to multitask a little bit.>>36739834>>36739900They could have just been war machines built by the Atlanteans, but it could also be that they were guarding Atlantis' sister cities. I remember though that there was some talk of Opar (or whatever Queen La's capital is named) being of potentially Atlantean origin before La and her people took it over. Maybe the Behemoth got deactivated, or it was never activated in the first place and is buried there somewhere.>CRACK THEORY: The Firebird actually has the Atlantean Construct Ziz at it's core.
>>36740082More than likely.
>>36737742I don't think that Warner brothers toons would be out of the question at all. They were residents of toontown after all.
>>36740244Morning Dread, and you're completely right.
>>36738259Well, I haven't had much time to develop her so far, since she's only made one appeance, but I figured her to have a sort of big sister relationship to Sverd. She has a bit of a wild streak of her own and tends to be pretty quick to flirt with people, but once her quasi baby brother Sverd starts doing something stupid (which is pretty often) she does what she can to reel him back in to reality.If the anon who made Hannah wants to chip in with some more fluff or reference art, go ahead
>>36739486>10 minutes since last post>>36739927>3 minutes since last post>>36740017>10 minutes since last postUnnecessarily bumping the thread so fucking much makes us look desperate. Please don't bump when we are on page three.
>>36740128>They could have just been war machines built by the Atlanteans, but it could also be that they were guarding Atlantis' sister cities. I remember though that there was some talk of Opar (or whatever Queen La's capital is named) being of potentially Atlantean origin before La and her people took it over. Maybe the Behemoth got deactivated, or it was never activated in the first place and is buried there somewhere.Leviathan lost it's flight capacity because of the crystal nuke; perhaps similarly Behemoth is active, but only malfunctioning processing part is preventing it from getting off it's shiny metal ass and wrecking everyone's shit.>CRACK THEORY: The Firebird actually has the Atlantean Construct Ziz at it's core.I prefer that the Firebird is simply a force of nature. However, native cultures all across North America have legends of the Thunderbird, so I'd say Ziz's usual haunt is somewhere in North America.Also, some of these legends speak of the Thunderbird wrecking the shit of great evil snakes.....the warbeast-machines of Atlantis' mysterious enemies, perhaps?
>>36740335This is good development and I like it. I really like the pseudo-familial relations of the DTPs.
>>36740128>Opar (or whatever Queen La's capital is named) being of potentially Atlantean origin before La and her people took it over. Maybe the Behemoth got deactivated, or it was never activated in the first place and is buried there somewhere.Maybe the cities CrystalTech all when down Overnight, What with the fall of Atlantis, and the jungle just, I dunno, grew over it, the residents would have been easy pickings for the local wildlife, without their Behemoth Ground Defense Unit or their defensive shield array
>>367403868000 years is plenty of time for the jungle to take over, but I'm not sure that they wouldn't give the Behemoth it's own power supply as a contingency for situations like this.
>>36740441the defense network is tied to the cities Heart right?well, what happens if the cities Heart stops working
>>36740486That might just be the shields. It would make sense for the big war machines to have redundant power systems so that they're not completely defenseless when the grid goes down.
>>36740514Maybe the backlash shorted out its movement systems, and the hover system was too power draining
>>36740561>the endless torment of the Behemoth's AI>I have no functioning movement systems, and I must wreck shit.But then>repairing the Behemoth's movement systems>upsetting the balance of world power with the Mechanics skill>Heroic Goal achieved
>>36740639Yeah Behemoth was probably the first Atlantean Defence Unit actually manufactured, they probably hadn't worked out all of the kinks
>>36740683Mean't to add 'model' to that
>>36740639Open Arborealis was always good with AI's
>>36740683Would Leviathan have been the second or third, with Ziz being the third or second? On one hand, you'd think that a really good flyer would be more complex than a submarine that can also hover, on the other hand what could possibly be so important that you'd guard it with your most advanced model while only guarding your city with your second most advance model? A facility key to making even more advanced war machines?
>>36740837>Ziz is actually an ancient satellite that keeps Earth protected from intergalactic invaders>The space expansion starts when Ziz breaks down and the Earth is defenseless
>>36740873Space expansion I assume is going to be based on Treasure Planet.
>>36740873>Ziz is actually an ancient satellite that keeps Earth protected from intergalactic invaders>He comes down to Earth sometimes, why else would the authors of Genesis have known about him?>However, he is seen much less often than Behemoth or Leviathan, and is never seen wrecking anyone's shit, so he is mentioned far less often, thought of as less important and forgotten even by most people who also know of Behemoth and Leviathan.It makes perfect sense.
>>36740335Commissioner here. This is sort of what I've been picturing for her character so far, though I haven't found an image yet of the sort of, noble but travel-worn dress I can imagine her wearing.If her player stops in and sees this, please let me know if I'm right or totally wrong.
>>36740960Treasure Planet, Buzz Lightyear, WALL-E, a bit of everything futuristic made by Disney and/or Pixar.
>>36741176There was some talk of potentially including WALL-E in the Modern expansion, but it would probably fit better into the Future expansion. What do you fellows feel about allowing there to be a small, perhaps Borderlandsy population of robot and human holdouts on Earth after Buy n' Large trashed the place?
>>36741176>>36741209Not sure about any of this, but I would like to point out that superheroes, on flimsy pretexts but ultimately because it's a cool change of scenery, go into space all the time. Now clearly, the Incredibles are reserved for the Modern expansion and not the Future expansion, but that begs the question of what they might encounter when they go into space. Yes, it obviously be the forerunners of some Future villains, but what would they be like?
>>36741372That really is a good question. I'm not sure myself.
Here's an idea for the superhero expansion: *sarcastic* 'Who Needs to be a Hero?'(the asterisks indicate that way the title is supposed to be read)
>>36740873>>36741033YesI want this
>>36741559>the superhero expansionThere's only one Disney movie with superheroes in it, two if we count the sequel that hasn't come out yet. I don't think that's enough material to warrant an entire expansion.(NO, WE ARE NOT DOING MARVEL)
>>36741625oh, I am such an idiot
>>36741033Wait wait,What if,WHAT IF, Ziz, Behemoth, and Leviathan can go full super sentai mode and fuse together to fight space invaders and ayyliens
>>36741757Ha, that might be taking things a little bit too far.
>>36741772NeverThis is a Disney worldIt's never taking it to far
>>36741757>>36741772>>36741825What a pity Disney no longer owns the Power Rangers.
>>36741757This is getting a bit OC here, isn't it? Like, we have no indication that the other two Beasts exist.
>>36741912I suppose not, but on the other hand it's not like it's illogical and against the spirit of the setting that they would exist.
>>36741912We had no indication that Frollo was a litch or that Slim could hypnotize animals other than cows either
>>36741912Right. It just started off as speculation on there being three great Atlantean constructs to match the three great biblical beasts, but the idea may have run away from us and the source material a bit.
>>36741981That's true, but this reeks as a runaway thread here. We're not talking about anything disney related except for a marginal construct in Atlantis which is somehow being shoehorned into being this big spooky thing behind everything. Also, I have no idea why Frollo is a lich. >>36741974It's... kind of getting there, knight. The only basis we have for there being three beasts is the "Leviathan" being named similarly to a hebrew myth. Also, why would Cherrybomb let these things continue to exist if they're ALL POWERFUL and could THREATEN HIS REIGN?
>>36742023Oh, yeah, super sentai mode is out of the question. Not even a joke boss. I was just saying that it wasn't illogical for Behemoth and Ziz to exist at all.Also, I'm writing up a villain PC who's top tier goal is to find and gain control of Behemoth and use it to rule over the entire African continent like an angry god.
>>36742023well, Leviathan cannot leave its patrol routes, Ziz hasn't been decided on yet and Behemoth is covered by 8000 years of jungle, that good enough for you Nob
I cannot believe this started from me mentioning the Yamato crab
>>36742050>>36742045But why do they need to exist? We have no indication they do other than Disney naming a property something similar to a myth that is likely completely unrelated. This is literally pulling a magical plot twist out of our ass. We're literally adding things for the sake of adding things now.
>>36739251You have a point with Ursula vs Atlantis. Both are in the ocean,with no clear boundaries.What if we put Atlantis and the Leviathan in the Atlantic and put Ursula in the Pacific?
>>36742085don't look at me, ask Knight
>>36742085Save them for an Atlantis focused expansion then?
>>36742085I agree that putting perfectly functional and all-powerful Atlantean superweapons everywhere is a bad idea, but can we at least leave the Yamato Crab with its crabman crew as one of Ursula's secret weapons?
>>36742023I agree that the thread's come a little bit off the rails. There's been a few good ideas and concepts here and there but conversation's drifted more toward idle wonderings and musings without a whole lot of direction. On my end, I know that it's partially due to my not being able to focus my attention fully on the thread with my own real-life tasks and errands that I've been attending do while waiting for more posters to filter back in. I've been trying to work on my commission compilation as well, but that's really just ancillary fluff, useful as a periodic bump and not worth talking to much about otherwise. Sorry about that.
>>36742124I do think that the Yamato Crab is still a neat idea for a potential threat to Atlantis-Proper if tensions between Ursula and Rourke ever shift from "cold war" to "hot war." We just have to be careful not to invent too much content whole-cloth without tying it to the source material.
>>36741912Super sentai mode's just a joke, making anything out of it.It would kinda make sense for there to be a Behemoth and Ziz robit if there was a Leviathan one too though.
>>36742353*not making anything out of it
>>36742353But Leviathan is just a name given to it by people who don't understand it, and Behemoth/Ziz only exist in HEBREW MYTHOLOGY, not necessarily a universal truth, especially in the Disneyverse.
>>36742392I thought the Atlantians were the one's who called it Leviathan? Unless I'm remembering wrongI haven't seen Atlantis or really any Disney movie in the last 2-3 years.
>>36742392There's some shit in the pseudo-sequel that implies that all cultures are derived from Atlantis, so it's plausible that the biblical Leviathan is a broken telephone version of the actual one. If that is the case, then it's also plausible that Behemoth and Ziz are broken telephone versions of other Atlantean war machines.Of course, if they didn't exist, it would be a trivial Deceit check for Milo to convince Rourke that they do and send him on a wild goose chase of epic proportions.
>>36742493Seems like a bit of a stretch. I like the idea of Milo making it up to deceive Rourke, though. Let's go with that.>>36742490I thought the expedition called it that? My sister forced me to watch it a week ago after I told her I hadn't watched a disney movie in 10 years. I have heard far too many songs over the last week for me to ever sleep peacefully again.
>>36742493>>36742534What about a compromise solution? Behemoth was an Atlantean war-machine that may or may not have survived the war; and getting it in working order would be an undertaking even more complex that repairing the damage to Leviathan, even if it survived.Ziz on the other hand doesn't have stories about it wrecking shit because it was never actually finished, perhaps not even started. The last and most powerful of the massive war machines, Ziz was in the planning or prototyping stage when the war ended. A document somewhere or a partially finished and not at all functioning framework is all that there is. You could hypothetically finish Ziz, just like you could hypothetically make more leviathans, but you would need to rebuild Atlantean manufacturing all the way back up to the level of the original Empire to do it.
>>36742534I haven't seen it since it first came out on DVD, but the Shepherd's Journal calls it Leviathan, and it was written long, long before the Bible, so there's a good chance it was the Atlanteans who named it Leviathan.Also, I would have to ask myself exactly what Milo's goal would be in leading Rourke on a goose chase.
>>36742625I think that this is a good compromise. It doesn't leave Atlantean superweapons scattered willy-nilly across the globe but leaves the possibility of Atlantean Construct plotlines that could be picked up or ignored. It's just some flavor and we don't have to hang any hopes on them.
>>36742737Keep it hidden in the background somewhere if possible. the focus of an Atlantean campaign should be politics and trying to sway the atlantean public, not 'can we gather the resources to make this massive war machine'. The first seems more disney than the second, somehow. >>36742637>milo's goalTo make life as hard for Rourke as possible without removing himself from a position of 'too important to remove'.
>>36742625I like it
>>36742763>the focus of an Atlantean campaign should be politics and trying to sway the atlantean public, not 'can we gather the resources to make this massive war machine'.I'll take "Roleplay Means To Murderhobo Ends" for 400, Alex.On a more serious note, have you yet found character art for Runs With Coyotes? Because if you have, I've spent my whole afternoon looking through pictures of Plains Indian women for nothing. Not that there aren't many, many worse ways to spend an afternoon.....
>>36742763Oh, definitely. I'm imagining the Atlantean Trio as background fluff, history lessons or rumors or whatnot. An Atlantean campaign should be all about swaying the hearts and minds of her people and her President toward the cause of good.The only time I would actually involve the constructs in any sort of plot would be after the PCs have Atlantis on their side and are looking for weapons to help them combat Chernobog in the endgame.
>>36742886Not yet. Trying to map out the bandit camp and another, undisclosed location at the moment.
>>36742889>The only time I would actually involve the constructs in any sort of plot would be after the PCs have Atlantis on their side and are looking for weaponsIf Opar really is Atlantis' sister city and Behemoth its long broken guardian, I'd consider repairing it a means to utterly and probably literally crushing Queen La. Of course, it wouldn't be long before Atlantis was all over your ass....
>>36742952Let me just run the candidates by you then.
>>36743211nigger that's an eskimo
>>36743211Also, am I a racist, or do all Native women have faces that are either mannish or as feminine as what you'd find on a JAV star?
>>36743271I promise, the rest are more tasteful than this one.
>>36743211>oh man that doesn't really look very ind->>36743251>OH JESUS CHRIST WHAT IS THAT MUTANT>>36743271>looks like a Filipino>>36743298is actually the best of the lot.Bruh, come on. You can do better.
>>36743298>>36743211>>36743245>eskimo>decidious tree in the backgroundAlso, call them Inuit. It sounds cooler, and it's what they prefer to be called.
>>36743251>pic related>>36743332>>36743251These are actually terrifying. Please, for the love of God, use one of the other three.
>>36743211>>36743271These two look asian as fuck but are probably pretty acceptable>>36743251>>36743332These two are hideous>>36743298Is the best, just ignore the fact she's mostly naked.
>>36743310>looks like a FilipinoGiven current ancient human migration theories, that's like saying a Scotsman looks German.
>>36743251>>36743332>>36743409>>36743436WHY THEY SO UGLY DOE
By the way, the second session is today, yes?
>>36743452Probably because I only chose women who couldn't pass for white and we're both racist.
>>36743473Yes, and in two hours.>>36743452I actually quite like this one.
>>36743487And that's it.
>>36743452Let's go with this one. Now if only I could find one without a watermark...
What's the deal with the Indians anyway?
>>36744119In this thread now or in general, in the world of DVV?
>>36744205>followed the mammoths>developed agriculture when all the mammoths eaten>never drank, never adapted biologically or culturally to deal with alcohol>seemed to get along just fine with relatively primitive technology, so they didn't advance much>no arms race either for some reason>SUDDENLY EUROPEANS>GUNS>SMALLPOX>ALCOHOL>didn't exactly win as many wars as they'd have liked to>got displaced by hoards of European immigrants>living in poverty on a reservation sucks, though it would suck less if it weren't for a genetic predisposition to alcoholismThat's the best I can figure.
>>36743902>>36743452Nigga should get the +4 to deceit/persuade rolls vs males if she looks like that
Just a question, but is there a chat room or anything about the future expansion?
>>36744552We haven't even finished the core game yet. Although we're about 10 kings away from that.
>>36744589And a pile of Villains.
>>36744589>>36744622Ah, bummer. I'm really more intrested in the more futuristic factions. If you like, I could give you a sort of streamlined presentation of my Ideas.
>>36744658Feel free to give it a whirl.
HALF AN HOUR UNTIL SESSION 2 OF THE TEST CAMPAIGN BEGINS.I'm a little concerned I'm not seeing anyone but me and Nob in the room.
Hey guys. I'm new to these threads but I like the premise. I'm trying the Disney style and if there are any characters that need drawfagging I'd like to humbly offer my serviceshere's a quick rough of >>36727643 for your approval. If you guys have any suggestions on better colors I'm all ears, and I'll touch her up when I have time.
>>36745320Could it be? We have a drawfag?It's christmas come early. There's a ton of characters that you can drawfag on, I believe three more just in this thread.
>>36745320Finally, our very own drawfag. Welcome aboard dude or dudette.
>>36745320>>36727643Here's a touchup>>36745348>There's a ton of characters that you can drawfag on, I believe three more just in this thread.I'm so lazy. Which ones do you want first?>>36745417glad to be here!
>>36746200It doesn't make much of a difference to me , but here's some of the ones you could do:>>36730973>>36732359>>36741039And we've got some more that we haven't made guides for yet.
>>36746200filter to make her a bit more animated-y>>36746228might give Sverd a shot later.
>>36746200>>36746555Those are FANTASTIC! Thank you so much! We've been sorely lacking in art throughout all our threads, so your contributions are unexpected and incredibly welcome!
>>36744589I still want to stat the Huntsmen but I haven't found the time yet. I will complete these though.
FIRST INNER CIRCLE DEFEATED
>>36746555I would just like to say two words regarding this picture.>Dem HipsThat is all.
>>36746998tis the season, anon.
StepS 1 and 2 of hooking up designated love interests is complete.
>>36746555>>36745320>>36746200Oooooh, thats good. You should do one of the entire Disney Prime Time Team
>>36749238describe this team to me plz. Ref pics very welcome.
>>36749262If you've got time to read, I've got the story so far. Most of the image compilations up on this thread. Once the test game is finished, I can give a quick rundown of the charactersDTP Story: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ONQ38zlRwgmM90MMkENcmSZhsIhN4r1O0KqxdQn3GKs/edit?usp=drive_web
>>36749262Great job on Mary, too. I wasn't entirely sure what I had in mind while writing her, but I like what you've done with her
SUDDENLY PARTY INFIGHTING IN THE CAMPAIGNWILL THIS SPELL THE END OF THE TEAM?
>breaking out in song>FOR>EVERY>FUCKING>THINGI think we need to implement a thing so that songs only happen at dramatically significant moments.
Nick, Nick, Nick......let's all hope he undergoes some serious character development next session.
>>36750216He'd better, or the tent pole is coming out again
>>36750216Planning on it.
THE CURRENT THREAD HAS BEEN ARCHIVED:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+VictoriousPlease remember to vote it up to keep it safe from periodic archival purges!
>>36749173This is all awesome and you should feel awesome.
Alright, I haven't been around for two daysWhat did I miss? How much we got done?
>>36750593Got a fair amount of kings statted.
>>36750593Kings have been statted, writefags continue writing, and apparently we've picked up a drawfag.
>>36750624>>36750655Sweet. Which ones, and do we still needs the hunters statted up?It's two AM and I'm beat but tomorrow I'll try to stat up Clayton if he's still up for pickings
Second session of the campaign test is done, with a few edits to OOC chatter.http://pastebin.com/2hbsDP74Will repost in beginning of next thread.
>>36749173Just noticed the boxin lazarus sketch.I crown you king. Good Job King Drawfag.
>>36750702Hmmm. IC you guys are pretty good (Except for Ponderous trying to force a love triangle and putting himself purposefully in a weird spot against Sverd, he needs to cut that shit out), but your OOC is a bit concerning. Mainly being that Ponderous seems to have some major issues with Knightfag and Sverd for no apparent reason and you kind of stacked odds against Sverd with regard to character development. By not acting on his history, calling him out for only valuing fun and making normally comical actions dangerous you've pigeonholed him against any sort of character development, and you need to make sure Runs goes into at least one of these next session, preferably both. In addition, there's too much ooc clutter in there, you should bring it to oovoo or something. The OOC group dynamics feel to me like there's an element of regular TTRPG roleplaying you guys have that you shouldn't. It's nobledark, and still very much disney. trying to make characters rational and logical in all or even most things like a 'good' D&D party does should not be the driving force behind a DVV party, and that's something that most people in this playtest seem like they forgot this session.
>>36751221There's a lot more OOC. I'm going to try to edit it further in the next few drafts.Also, hopefully this is advice for them because I can't really do much. Runs is just tsundere, and in particular was taking great personal (possibly sadistic?) enjoyment in watching Pond and Sverd suffer.
>>36750695We certainly do need the Hunters. Check the 1d4chan page to see what kings remain.
>>36751295Making her a sadist isn't a good direction to go in at all, making her angry P&F style is. I'm not sure why Ponderous was trying to put himself into that dynamic, but it's not somewhere he should be at all. Give him a waifu in Louisiana if he's so desperate for virtual pussy he's willing to disrupt playtesting and screw up established dynamics we're trying out for it.
>>36751066In that case my first decree: free milkshakes for everyone.Also I completely ignored BL being an old guy. Here's a quick sketch, because I am fatigued and sloppy. See y'all next thread maybe.
>>36751442These are wonderful. Thanks so much, anon.Only four left to go before you've done the entire DTP cast, and one is a dinosaur.
>>36751221>>36751378You're completely right. D&D instincts die hard, and even as one of the more sensible characters it was difficult to put them away. Also, what is this P&F you speak of?
>>36751442Love the beard! Thanks again for your hard work!
>>36746998>>36749238>>36749321>>36750345>>36751066also thanks guys. You are awesome and it feels great you guys like my work. Keep on being awesome.
>>36751496Princess and the Frog.
>>36751221From what I can see, we're still getting used to specific feel of the setting and of the party dynamics. I imagine things will begin to run more smoothly after playing a little longer. As for Sverd, railroading his character development I feel is rather necessary. It's one thing to be a brash and headstrong youth with a disposition toward hedonism, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he needs to be played as a 4 year old with a superiority complex.
We're on page 8 of the catalogue so someone is going to need to start a new thread post-haste.
>>36751580No, I mean that you didn't railroad his character development, you instead prevented it. Because Nobody didn't have Runs bring up his history/lying or his only valuing fun, and no one else in the group did, you ensured that he was unable to move out of his 'Pre-help' zone. Thankfully because you guys set him up like you did with Runs and not in a more retarded way, it can be fixed next session relatively easily when she does in fact bring up Virginia/Fun. As far as 'four year old with a superiority complex' - that kind of mindset is precisely what I was talking about with TTRPG 'regular' habits. A character like the one being played would be a 'bad' character in a 'normal' TTRPG setting, but because he was specifically made for this one, he is in fact a very, very 'good' one. Look at Flyn Ryder and his developments, Ryder is considerably more of a straight-up malicious, superior asshole at the start of the film, which is exactly the way Nicholas is being played. He would be a 'bad' character if there was a refusal to develop the character, but that can only be done really well if Runs with Coyotes brings up what actually matters with his personality, not the weird ganging-up thing you did this session. But, as I said, making him act as a 'servant' under her for next session was a good way to move into character development for the next session.
>>36751442>>36751464>>36751508fixed that fucked up neck, it was keeping me awake.It's too fun drawing for you guys to call it work.
>>36751775If you see this in the morning, can you do Hannah and/or Sverd next? I think they would look cute drawn. I really like how you're drawing them.
>>36751442>>36751775If you alt-tab between the pictures, Lazarus does a sick head bob.
>>36751763Is someone ready to make another thread or shall I?
>>36751829Not the drawfag but a quick gif maker search later and I have for you bobbing lazaraus
>>36751773You seem to be white-knighting Sverd a bit hard. He's a grown adult and can take care of himself. He pissed off a lady, which is why she's not so interested in flirting with him at the moment.
>>36751773It was actually only at the end of the session that I started to get annoyed with Nick ooc. Before that, he was playing a completely legitimate way for his character. He'll, even the show off horse race was fine. But it was the "flirt by throwing shit in her face and trying to play it off when it turned out to be explosives and then go back and do pretty much the same thing to the whole party" which sent me over. That at best is straight out of /rk9/'s dating manual, and is completely out of character, even for an almost lovable antihero rogue.Also I don't buy that someone getting shot would say that it was fun. Even with a slightly psychopathic notion of what is fun.
>>36752043Excellent. Excellent.>>36752126Hey Nob, would you like me to start the next thread, or did you have designs on it?
>>36752126I'm just commenting on the playtesting. It's a pretty important experience for the setting in general.Also, reminder that angerlove/ falling in love with someone who has advantage over you is a disney staple.
>>36752181Well, you do have a point about that, but I think the intent there was to make her angry to cause character development. She was seemingly somewhat getting along with Nick's showboating character, which isn't the direction it was intended to go in, and doing something irresponsible and stupid would be a good way to correct that. It's something that you should get mad for IC, but getting mad OOC for an act like that really doesn't make sense. It's a good course of action from an ooc prespective.I need to check the playtest again for that, gimme a sec. Saying that getting shot was fun sounds in tune with trying to play everything up in his favor, however.
>>36752326I wasn't super pissed or anything like that. His hijinks were just getting old, and his ability to evade everything was really annoying. I was also hyperbolizing a bit when I said we railroaded his character development. I don't expect him to change overnight, but rather to force him in a position which would iron out his more disruptive character traits.
>>36752186Go for it.>>36752205Sure. She was just taking a bit of enjoyment in their suffering and hoping to see them react when she talked to Archer instead.
Well gents, I'm about to crash on my keyboard. I'll leave you with one more reminded that this thread is about to fall off the board and another needs to be made.Always a pleasure!
>>36752491I'm on it.
>>36752487Alright, that sounds quite reasonable. As I said before, even though I believe the situation was somewhat poorly handled this session, you all have set up a good scenario for the next one, with a better and wider focus too.>>36752511Drawfag, pls, you have forgot your picture. I must see it.
>>36752537NEW THREAD HERE:>>36752626
>>36752565He's not me. Probably same timezone>>36751807is going to happen, don't you worry. After I practice the style a bit more however.Also I moved Mary's eye so it's a bit more symmetrical. I'd fix a dozen other things, but I'm just gong to draw more of her and the rest tomorrow. Night everybody!
>>36752565Not him, sorry!
I'm not a robot