You are Sireyi Valyenya, 24 years old, recently married you will soon take up rulership of a new nation...of succubi.Character Sheet http://pastebin.com/tsAx3JGTParty http://pastebin.com/DMfRaXQVYour Realm http://pastebin.com/jYjB9BBQRules http://pastebin.com/yKvP3AiPParty Powers http://pastebin.com/awA8AvWiSister Character Sheet http://pastebin.com/NXxSXP3jThe World http://pastebin.com/3H9fnizcArchive http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=paladin+of+joySummary to Thread 53 http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/36603950/QM Twitter https://twitter.com/anAspiringQMQM Askfm http://ask.fm/AnAspiringQMYou’re standing in the Court of the Fae of the Clithenwald Forest and the King just ordered the hundred or so guards to kill you. But the guards don’t concern you as much as the others present.There’s the King and Queen, powerful fae in their own right, and in the Court they can block or inhibit some of your powers.There’s a half-dozen fae nobles present, the undoubtedly have powers of their own, though you’ve no idea what they might be.And a demonic-looking version of Isla is present, the last time you saw her, she was at the side of the Lord of Life. Indeed, the very reason she’s here is to negotiate some sort of treaty with the Fae. In return for the Lord of Life setting the Fae free from all constraints they will give it...something in return. Possibly they will simply help it in its conquests, but maybe it wants something specific from them in return.And lastly, though she’s nowhere in sight, Demihydria is around here somewhere. You think the Forest King and Queen asked her to do something against you, hurt you, or spy or you perhaps, and when she refused they ordered her back, and they won’t let you see her.
With the guards moving in, weapons bared, you need to do something.Sireyi (actions)>Attack (Halberd)>Lightning Storm>Spell/power (what?)>Other (what?)And of course, pick a target from those below if using any sort of attacking power.Is Sireyi going to activate some innate abilities (does not require an action)>Halo? (Y/N)>Full Angelic Form? (Y/N)>Sanctuary? (Y/N)>Other innate power (what?)Call for allies? (none yet present)>Call Angels (how many?)>Call your demon twin>Call other allies (who?)>No allies for nowPresent in the Court100 guards6 Fae NoblesDemon IslaForest KingForest Queen
>>36678028>AM-Field around Isla and the royals>Halo>Call your demon twin
>>36678028>Spell (Spell Turning (R))>Spell (Dimensional Anchor)>Halo (Y)>Angelic Form (Y)>Sanctuary (Y)>Call your demon twin
>>36678028>>36678052Forgot to specify, Dimensional Anchor is used on Isla to prevent her from teleporting away once the slaughter begins.
>>36678028>>36678052>Spell (Spell Turning (R))>Spell (Dimensional Anchor)But>Halo>SanctuaryNo Angelic form yet, don't want its mindset changing part to interfere here.>Call your demon twin
>>36678028Sireyi>Spell/power (Dimensional Anchor on other Isla)she doesn't escape.YY>Call your demon twin
>>36678064Oh, right, I forgot about that.>>36678047>>36678067Just so the both of you know, the spells you're casting are both (R) spells by default. You can cast another spell or take some other action as part of your vote if you want.
>>36678028>>36678047>>36678072I forgot about that, didn't we also get a shaping mod for AM field?Gonna go with>Spell (Spell Turning (R))>Spell (Dimensional Anchor)For now.
>>36678067>>36678072Then lightning on the king and queen as well.
>>36678084I don't recall any shaping mod for AM field.I do know that we got an ability that lets us alter things about our Sanctuary, which is now in the character sheet.>>36678028>>36678052 (me)Change Angelic Form to N, I forgot about it's mental effects.
>>36678072>Oh, right, I forgot about that.I guess we could tell our Twin to bring her Sofia, That might work, if she is willing.
>>36678028Tell Dark Sireyi to bring a few iron things with her.
Ok, SoHaloSanctuarySpell-TurningDimensional Anchor (Isla) andCalling your sisterNo rolls required for that, but please vote on extra Arcane Energy used forSpell-TurningDimensional AnchorExtra AE will make the spells harder to dispel and for Spell-Turning, reflect more spells before being expended.
>>366781642035Isla is no pushover when it comes to magic.
>>36678164Does our sister count for a loved one already? In regards to Angelic Trasformation?
>>36678207I wouldn't think so, no.Their relationship is a bit too troubled for that, AltSofia probably counts.
Your Halo blazes forth above your head and you release as your Sanctuary, its energies spreading far around you.The Fae seems unaffected by this but the other Isla winces and takes a step back. As she does so you cast your spell and a beam of light flies towards Isla as you prepare to stop her from teleporting away. As fast as you are with your spell, she’s just as fast and casts her own spell with a word and a gesture. Despite her efforts the light of your spell got through and struck her, she also activates Arcane Sight as you cast Spell Turning.[AE 44/97]-Hey Sireyi- you send to your double –might need your help here in the Fae Court--What is it?- She sends back –I’m busy--The other Isla’s here- you send.There’s a pause and then –I’m on my way-The Fae guards close in around you but you avoid most of their attacks, the few that hit don’t hurt you.One of the fae nobles casts a spell and you feel your own turn it back on him, thorns and vines erupt from his flesh and he drops to the floor screaming.“Help the soldiers!” commands the Forest King “Leave her to us.” He casts his own spell and thorny vines grow throughout the Forest Court, covering the walls and blocking all the exits and windows. You have enough room to fly in here, but getting out will require force.The other nobles follow his command and each casts spells on the guards to enhance their combat capabilities, making them a small threat to you.The Queen casts her own spell and a haze of magic surrounds her and the Forest King, to shield them against magical attacks.-Any time would be good- you send to your double.-Having difficulty- She sends back –I’m outside the Court but I can’t teleport inside, might be a few moments to get past the guards-
Sireyi (actions)>Attack (Halberd)>Call Allies (who?)>Spell/power (what?)>Other (what?)Dark Sireyi?>Use Deific Power to get in here>Don’t use Deific Power>Other (what?)BattlefieldYou have Spell-Turning active (1 spell turned)Enemies100 guards[Arcane Sight] Various enhancement spells.6 Fae Nobles (1 injured)[Arcane Sight] Thorns Embrace (injured noble)Demon Isla[Arcane Sight] Arcane Sight, Dimensional AnchorForest King[Arcane Sight] Dispelling ScreenForest Queen[Arcane Sight] Dispelling Screen
>>36678270>Summon Lanterns (Free)>Disjunction (R), Forest Queen>Lightning Bolt, Forest QueenCan the Lanterns act on the turn they're summoned? If so, have them throw Fireballs at the Nobles.>Don't use Deific Power
>>36678270>Disjunction Queen>Conjure Storm Winds(Gust of Wind) against the soldiers>Summon Lanterns>Don’t use Deific Power
>>36678270>Spell/power (lightning storm on the nobles)>Attack (Halberd) on anyone that get's too close.>Disjunction (R), Forest Queen>Don’t use Deific Power
>>36678270>Eye of the Storm>Disjunction(Queen)>Lanterns>Don’t use Deific Power
>>36678270Changing>>36678288>Conjure Storm Winds(Gust of Wind) against the soldiersto>Eye of the Storm
>>36678281How much AE do our Lanterns have?52 or 62?
Summoning lanternsDisjunctioning the Queen (and King? They're close together after all)Eye of the Storm andDon't use Deific PowerWriting this.How many Lanterns?2 Lanterns is 2 Divine Energy, every extra one is another 3, you can have a maximum of 14 Lanterns. They have a combined Arcane Energy Pool of 64.I will take an average of 3 votes on Lantern numbers.
>>3667835114, prepare for the add-storm.
>>3667835114We can do it gentleman, we have the divine energy.
You call forth the power of the Storm within you and surround yourself with howling storm winds and lightning.[DE 160/166]The soldiers attacking you are thrown back or badly shocked. A few brave through the howling winds and attack you, but none of the attacks find their mark.You summon forth the angelic lights and 14 globes of energy spring into existence around you, awaiting your command.[DE 122/166]You also cast your spell, ripping apart the arcane protections of the King and Queen, they flinch from the explosion of magical energies.-No hurry- you send to your double –I’m holding my own--Be there soon- She promises.The Forest King comes down from the royal dais, a wooden spear appearing in his hand and a thick cloak of leaves billowing around him as he advances towards you and attacks. The storm winds around you don’t slow him down and the lightning dancing around you splashes harmlessly against his cloak. You dance backwards from his repeated spear thrusts, only one manages to hit you but in Velya’s name it *hurts*.[HP 358/398]The small wound on your forearm smokes and bubbles and your arm spasms in pain, there’s some sort of poison or spell in the wound, but for now at least your own defences are handling it. You dread to think what would happen if an ordinary person was hit by that.Isla casts a spell that creates a dozen floating black knives around her, you are not familiar with the spell.Three of the Fae nobles cast spells to make the soldiers resistant to lightning, and two cast spells to calm the raging winds around you, but fail.The Forest Queen casts some sort of spell and you feel your magical energies being drained slowly.[AE 34/97, DE 112/166][Lantern AE 54/64]-Almost there- Promises your double.
Sireyi (actions)>Attack (Halberd)>Call Allies (who?)>Spell/power (what?)>Other (what?)14 Lanterns>Attack (light)>Spell (what?)Dark Sireyi arrives next round.BattlefieldYou have Spell-Turning active (1 spell turned)Enemies100 guards (20 injured)[Arcane Sight] Various enhancement spells including electricity resistance.6 Fae Nobles (1 injured)[Arcane Sight] Thorns Embrace (injured noble)Demon Isla[Arcane Sight] Arcane Sight, Dimensional Anchor, Aura of Black Knives (? Unknown spell)Forest King[Arcane Sight] Magical Spear (artefact-level), Magical Cloak (artefact-level)Forest Queen[Arcane Sight] Unknown spell (drains magical energies?)
>>36678453>Disjunction (R), Forest Queen>Lightning Bolt, Forest Queen>Lanterns, 4 bombard Nobles with Fireballs, others use Light attacks
>>36678453>AM-Field-Isla>Missile Storm-Queen>Lanterns(3xMeteor Swarm-King)
>>36678453Sireyi (actions)>Attack (Halberd) the King14 Lanterns>Deal with knives and the rest attack the Queen.
>>36678453>Disjunction (R), Forest Queen>Lightning Bolt, Forest Queen>Lanterns(3xMeteor Swarm-King)
>>36678453>>36678460King, Forest King. I meant to use Disjunction on the king, to destroy his artefact spear or cloak, since that's a thing Disjunction does.I still want to use the Lightning Bolt on the Queen.>>36678466Missile Storm isn't that powerful, Lanterns can only use L3 spells or lower.>>36678469>Using Melee attacksStatic Fist would be a lot better.>>36678476Lanterns can't cast Meteor Swarm.
>>36678486>Lanterns can't cast Meteor Swarm.Ah, missed the "up to third level" part.>>36678453>>36678476Changing to >Disintegrate(3xQueen)
>>36678486Queen makes sense to me though, since that magic drain thing seems to be a enchantment on her.
>>36678486>Missile Storm isn't that powerfulnot sure if elemental damamge would work on them. Thats why missile storm, good catch on meteor swarm though.>>36678453>>36678466>>Lanterns, 4 bombard Nobles with Fireballs, others use Light attacksthen instead
>>36678453>>36678476>Disjunction (R), Forest Queen>King then, on the cloakDisjunction on items must be targeted on the artifact, at least normally.
I notice our Sister hasn't spend any XP whatsoever? She is pretty weak currently.
SireyiDisjunction the QueenLightning Bolt the QueenLanterns4 Fireballs against Nobles, 10 Light Blasts against NoblesPlease vote for extra Arcane Energy forDisjunctionLightning BoltFireballsAnd roll 2d20 – first for Sireyi, second for Lanterns.
Rolled 4, 13 = 17 (2d20)>>36678567>Disjunction the QueenThere was a revote for the cloak >>36678533Sorry that I worded it ambigious, I just wanted to show what I changed.14353
Rolled 13, 17 = 30 (2d20)>>36678567Don't you mean extra Divine Energy for Lightning Bolt?15506 each
Rolled 13, 18 = 31 (2d20)>>36678567
>>36678578Two revotes, due to my typo, although I didn't specify which artifact I wanted to try and destroy.
Rolled 19, 11 = 30 (2d20)>>3667856715506 each
>>36678594I'm still not sure if that is how it works here, normally it does with Disjunction, but the entry doesn't clarify for this system.
>>36678567How restricted would we be in dragon form in this "room"?
>>36678579>Don't you mean extra Divine Energy for Lightning Bolt?Yes, sorry.Ok, are you Disjunctioning the Queen or the Kings Cloak?>Queen>Kings CloakDisjunction normally affects everything its its area and has a small chance of destroying artefacts, this chance is increased if used to target *only* a single object (like a cloak). When targeting a single object it does not have an area of effect.>>36678614Normal: Not at AllHuge: A little cramped but can fight normally
>>36678624>Kings CloakGood to know about dragon form, might want to do that next.
>CloakOk please roll 1d20+23 and vote on extra arcane energy used for Disjunction (15 remaining).
Rolled 8 + 23 (1d20 + 23)>>36678660>15 remainingWait, what? Didn't we just have 34?
Rolled 20 + 23 (1d20 + 23)>>36678660Why only 15 remaining?15 then, I suppose.
Rolled 20 + 23 (1d20 + 23)>>36678660
>>36678660>>36678670>>36678671Uhm. None?Okay.10But shouldn't we have 34 left?
>>36678670>>36678671Oooooooh snap.Eat it fairy King!
Sorry, yes you do have 30 left not 15, I'd already subtracted the 4 for Disjunction and the 15 extra voted on, my mistake, 30 remaining not 15.
>>36678670>>36678671Anyone feel like spending a DP to turn an automatic success into a critical success?
>>36678687Gonna stick to my 15 anyway.>>36678669>>36678696Isn't 2x20 already a crit, and 3x20 a super crit or something? If we would have targeted the king I would, but we can't really disjunct the cloak anymore then we do.
>>36678696I feel like my answer to that question will almost always be yes, if only because I want to see what it does.
>>366787022x20 means we succeed, and occasionally we get a bonus effect.3x20 always includes some kind of special bonus effect.
>>36678696Not knowing what it would do, I wouldn't spend the DP.Maybe it would destroy the spear too, but we targeted the cloak, so it might not. I would prefer to save the DP to get rid of the spear for sure.
Use Deific Power for an extra 20?Y/N
>>36678727YI want to see what happens!
>>36678727>NMight be good, might not be good.Don't want to be so frivolous with DP:
>>36678702Two twenties grant us things like successfully persuading demons and ensuring their loyalty. Three twenties might've resulted in a fair amount of the demons accepting the offer of redemption at the end and pledging their eternal loyalty.The only time we've gotten three twenties in the quest resulted in us getting the Storm Node, and that wasn't even as part of a dice roll.>>36678726We don't really need to get rid of the spear, now that the King's defensive artifact is gone.>>36678727Y
>>36678736>We don't really need to get rid of the spear, now that the King's defensive artifact is gone.But then what would be the super crit for?Can't really see anything else good it would do.But I don't want to hold us ina tie about this, so>>36678727>Y
>>36678736>Storm NodeWhile we are at it.Pally, have you already given it some thought what kind of stuff our Twin could get from her nodes?She got 210 unspend XP which we might want to invest during the timeskip.
>>36678743>But then what would be the super crit for?Iunno, but it definitely has some kind of special effect.Maybe the spear is a sentient artifact and it decides that we're way cooler than this pissant king, so it defects to our side, or the cloak is retroactively the only thing keeping the king alive, something fun like that.>>36678757The players voted to be the ones that spend it, that's why it hasn't been spent.If you'd prefer, I can handle her XP as well.
>>36678773>The players voted to be the ones that spend it, that's why it hasn't been spent.I'm fairly sure when that was voted we meant "we spend it" as opposed to "Pally spends it", like with Sireyi.I don't mind a vote on her purchases, but we would need a prompt for that then, otherwise it would be a bit of a confused mess. Thats why we haven't done it sofar.
You blast the Forest Queen with lightning, throwing her backwards, injured but alive. She lies on the floor coughing and moaning.You focus your arcane energies, targeting the Kings protective cloak, your spell rips into it and shreds it, the King falls to the floor bellowing in pain. But your spell doesn’t just tear the artefact apart, it dismantles it perfectly, the knowledge of how to create such a thing burning itself into your brain.[AE 15/93, DE 64/166, DP -1, Artefact design gained: Cloak of the Forest King – will be added to magic item list before next thread]The Lanterns under your control blast the fae nobles with blasts of fire and light, when the afterimages fade, most of the fae nobles are dead, and the survivors are badly hurt.[Lantern AE 26/64]The guards brave the lightning storm around you, inflicting a few minor injuries, even as your own healing powers restore you.[HP 353/398]The two fae nobles are still recovering from the attack, and take no action.Both the Forest King and Queen are too hurt to act this round.Isla looks at the King and Queen “pitiful” she says with a sneer and with a gesture a pair of black knives flies towards them, one for each. As the knives hit them they scream in agony, and then disappear. At the same time Isla casts another spell and cancels your dimensional anchor spell, she bows her head in your direction as if saying goodbye.Finally your twin appears, ripping through the vines covering the door, she brushes the bits of dead vegetation off herself and says “What did I miss?”
Sireyi (actions)>Talk to Other Isla>Attack (Halberd)>Call Allies (who?)>Spell/power (what?)>Other (what?)Any aggressive action towards Isla will negate the *talk* option, this includes casting spells at her.14 Lanterns>Attack (light)>Spell (what?)Dark Sireyi?>Melee Attack (claws)>Spell/Power (which?)>Other (what?)BattlefieldYou have Spell-Turning active (1 spell turned)Enemies100 guards (20 injured)[Arcane Sight] Various enhancement spells including electricity resistance.2 Fae Nobles (badly wounded)[Arcane Sight] noneDemon Isla[Arcane Sight] Arcane Sight, Aura of Black Knives (? Unknown spell)
>>36678805>Talk to Other IslaDiplomancing HO!>Have our Lanterns and Twin mencae the fae into surrenderingI think enough blood has been shed here.
Doubles XP total updated. And yes, I haven't spent any XP because players wanted to.I can hold a vote to prompt that once this scene is over if you would like.
>>36678817>Pally, have you already given it some thought what kind of stuff our Twin could get from her nodes?I don't think we need to interrupt the timeskip anymore than we already do.But I would like to spend XP once we have some cool stuff to spend it on.
>>36678811supporting, but preparing to recast Dimensional Anchor if talk breaks down.
>>36678787I understand that, I was asking if you'd prefer if I do the thing I do for Sireyi's XP for our double.>>36678822People don't get new powers from the Nodes, though?
>>36678817Nah, we stalled this whole timeskip business enough. If we do, we do it at the end of the thread.>>36678805>>36678811Supporting btw.>but preparing to recast Dimensional Anchor if talk breaks down
>>36678834Pretty sure we learnt mystical martial arts from them?
>>36678834>I understand that, I was asking if you'd prefer if I do the thing I do for Sireyi's XP for our double.I don't have a strong opinion on that, I figure you making suggestion avoids the confused mess power purchases can be, so it suits me fine. And I rarely have reason to disagree with your power/building choices anyway.
>>36678849I keep forgetting those exist.They're fairly cheap, I'll keep 30 XP in reserve for all three possible levels of whatever Art her node teaches her. I'll also add Living Storm Style to her list, since she should be able to get those abilities.>>36678856Then now would be the time to mention any specific powers you want her to get.
>>36678866>Then now would be the time to mention any specific powers you want her to get.Looking over the rules sheet, there is a significant lack of non-angelic/dragon powers. Thats why I brought up the posibility of getting something from the nodes so she can get some more flavorful abilities before we choose.Demonic, a new draconic bond or something like that.I think both mechanically and story wise she would benefit from some abilities that distinguish her from Sireyi.
>>36678866>I keep forgetting those exist.So does everyone else, sadly.But we never use melee attacks.
>>36678873To correct myself, obviously there are quite a lot non-angelic/draconic powers.But thats mostly either paladin powers, most of which, frankly, not very good except those Sireyi got. Or the vanilla powers, which are flat out not very good.I suppose "demonic" powers our twin can allegedly get, would be easily reflavored angel abilities, but that still doesn't make her really distinct from Sireyi.I wouldn't mind waiting with the purchase until the Azure Empress can buy something actually "different", even if that means it will only happen after the hiatus when Pally had time to think of something.
“Wait Isla” you say, as she prepares to depart “Can’t we talk about this?”“What’s there to talk about?” she asks curiously. Around you your lanterns herd the soldiers and surviving fae nobles away, keeping an eye on them. Your double hangs back, seemingly content to let you do the talking for now.“Where you’ve sent the King and Queen for starters” you blurt out the first thing that comes into your head. As you talk, the words and gestures for your dimensional anchor spell form in your mind.Isla cocks her head at you “You know the legends of the King of the Fae Courts dying in the winter and being revived in the spring?”“Of course” you answer, you’re not really sure where she’s going with this “But those are just legends – the fae don’t actually do that.”“Not every year no” she agrees “But when a new court is founded, a senior noble – often the King or Queen – is killed to create the new fae court, their magical energies used to build the new realm.”“What are you going to do to them?” you ask, a chill going through you.“Not me” she says, shaking her head “The Lord of All Life is going to bring back the unfae, the slough. With their deaths, all the...the bad fae shall we call them, are coming back.”“These fae weren’t exactly good” points out your duplicate, speaking for the first time. “In comparison” says Isla quietly “They really were.” And then she starts casting a spell to leave.Magic>Dimensional Anchor>Other Spell>No spellDialogue (general)>Lord of Life’s plans?>Other (what?)Try to convince her to join you? (please pick only 1 from this list)>Convince using emotion>Convince using logic>Convince using duty/honour>Don’t try to convince her>Ask double to convince her
>>36678953>Dimensional Anchor>Convince using logic
>>36678953>Magic>>Dimensional Anchor>Dialogue (general)>>Lord of Life’s plans?>Try to convince her to join you? (please pick only 1 from this list)>>Convince using logic
>>36678953>No spell>How is she feeling? Is serving the LoL really what she wants? Doesn't she want to be free?>Convince using logicIts Isla, seriously. Logic works better for the first step.
>>36678923One thing she could get, assuming we get a new draconic bond for her would be the Secrets of Arcanotek stuff.We probably won't ever get there ourselves. And it would be a perfect fit for her motivation.
>>36678983>We probably won't ever get there ourselves.We might be able to get it in one batch of XP, two max.
>>36679011We could get there. But I see no particular reason for Sireyi to do so, and it does fit our Twin more.It was a suggestion for something she could pursue thats different from what Sireyi does.
>>36679028>But I see no particular reason for Sireyi to do soOther than the fact that people want magitech but nobody wants to read that damn book and the power allows us to circumvent it entirely?
>>36679037>Other than the fact that people want magitechI haven't seen much demand for magitech, except for the occasional.And I doubt the power would get us instantly on the level of the book.I wouldn't be against the Azure Empress reading the book either.
Before you talk to Isla, you need to make sure she’ll stay around to listen. You cast your spell and a beam of magical light flashes towards her, only to be intercepted by one of the black knives. Both the knife and your spell blink out of existence.“Isla wait we should talk abou-” You cut off as Isla casts her own spell, and disappears.“Smooth” observes your double “maybe if you hadn’t tried to trap her, she might have listened.” She folds her arms and leans against the wall “So what’s happening with the fae then?”Double>Yeah that could have gone better>I didn’t see you helping>Other (what?)Fae Court>The fae court is no more>I’ll free Demi, and put her in charge>I’ll free Demi and let her choose>Other (what?)I’m assuming you will free Demihydria anyway, the votes are what she’s doing/how much say she has afterwards.
>>36679037>that people want magitechThey might, but that doesn't mean they want Sireyi to be the one to build it. One of the main problems this quest has is that Sireyi does everything already.If we do magitech, someone else should do it.
>>36678953>Dimensional Anchor>Convince using emotionWHY WON'T YOU LET ME LOVE YOU?
>>36679063>Yeah that could have gone better>I’ll free Demi and let her choose
>>36679063>Yeah that could have gone better>I’ll free Demi and let her choose>Fuck yeah, paladin of joy quest!
>>36679063>Yeah that could have gone better>I didn’t see you helping>I’ll free Demi and let her choose
>>36679063>Damning Touch: By spending 25 divine powerIs this really supposed to be divine power instead of energy?Sorry, didn't get around to reading our twins charsheet before now, just find it odd transforming someone into a demon would cost more DP than outright creating an angel.
>>36679173I assume it really does mean DP, largely because I had suspected she wanted the investment so she could use the power to make AltSofia into a demon too.
>>36679173>Is this really supposed to be divine power instead of energy?Energy, thanks for spotting, updated.
>>36679215Ah, okay then. There goes my theory.
>>36679200Why would she do that?
“I admit” you say “That could have gone better, but I was just trying to get her to stick around to talk.”“One thing you forget” says your double “is how intimidating you can be.”“Intimidating” you say disbelievingly “me?”“Yes you” says your double, gesturing around the room “A hundred soldiers, a half-dozen fae sorcerers and the Courts rulers, in the seat of their power, didn’t they send you packing with a spell in your head last time?”You chew your lip as you try to think of a response to that, and then change the topic, “Lets go free Demihydria” you say.With Demi free from her prison you explain what’s happened, and how the fae rulers have been taken.“If you let the Court survive” says Demi “They’d have to be loyal right?” she doesn’t sound like she’s convinced.“What do you think should happen?” you ask.“This is my home” she says “I want the Court to survive.” After talking to some of the other Fae its clear they are disillusioned with the Lord of Life and if allowed to survive the Court would likely become very isolationist.“So who should rule?” you ask Demi “I value your opinion.”“I don’t know” she says, shaking her head “I never paid much attention to politics.”“Untouched by faction politics” says your twin “sounds like you’d be a good ruler Demi.”Demi pulls a face “Oh Goddess no!” she exclaims “I’d be a terrible ruler.”>Just ignore them, let the fae sort things out themselves>Disband the Court>Put Demi in charge>Other (what?)
>>36679228>Contact Sofia and let her decideHer barony now.
>>36679228>Contact Sofia and let her decide
>>36679228>>36679250Seconding.Or at least consult her, it is in her barony, and her forest.
>>36679228>Convince Demi she'd be a good ruler, but she doesn't have to rule if she doesn't want to
You know, I think Sireyi might have a tiny authority problem, there has yet to be a rulership Sireyi did not at least clash with or outright destroy.
>>36679228Shouldn't Sireyi have lost her Virgin bonus by now?And, this might be spoilers, does our Twin really still have hers?
>>36679327She would have to let herself be compared to Jal, so I could see how that might dampen her enthusiasm in that regard.
>>36679327>Shouldn't Sireyi have lost her Virgin bonus by now?Yes, I thought I'd removed them from Sireyis sheet, if you can point out where I've missed them, I'd be grateful>And, this might be spoilers, does our Twin really still have hers?No comment.
“This is Sofias Barony now” you recall saying to Demihydria “She can decide.”Sofia took a far less sympathetic view and disbanded the fae Court. The remnants, including Demi, eventually ended up with other Fae Courts in Dornmer.---And we’re back in timeskip mode, things will jump back and forth between the *present* at the end of the timeskip, and events leading up to that, as Sireyi goes about her day and recalls past events.Your reminiscing is disrupted by three young girls coming running into your room “Mama Reyi, Mama Reyi” blurts out the one in the lead “Sali’s been baaaaaad!”“Have not!” claims the second girl through the door. You look to the third for confirmation and she just nods reluctantly, following her sisters.In short order all three burrow into bed with you, and cuddle up to you whilst trying to tell their side of the story.Fulmina speaks first. She’s a relatively ordinary-looking girl except for having light blue hair. Her blue eyes seem to dance as she relays her tale “Sali was stealing cookies from the kitchen again.”.“Was not!” disputes Salicia. She looks like a half-black dragon, humanoid in shape, but with black scales, small wings not yet capable of flight and an elongated face, She bunches clawed hands in the bedding “Cook said I could have them” she whines.“What Cook actually said” says Neyma “Is that you could have some cookies later, maybe, if you were good.” She is most like you in appearance, a perfect little half-angel with white wings and silver hair.It’s been over three years since you got married, and the three daughters squabbling in bed are Islas triplets, left in your care whilst she’s away, their third birthday will be in a few months.You recall how your three little miracles came to be, and how everyone reacted to the news...
>>36679432>I thought I'd removed them from Sireyis sheetAh, and you did, I mixed it up with the rules sheet, they are still listed there, and I looked at the wrong one, my bad.>No comment.Not even a hint?
“Triplets?” says Sofia again, the glass of wine partway to her lips “Really? Triplets?”“Yes really” says Isla with a smile, barely showing “Poppy confirmed it this morning.”You’re at the Dalvin Keep Stronghold, enjoying dinner with your family.“Triplets” says Sofia again.Further down the table Jal smirks “Get used ter the question luv” she says to Isla “Gonna be asked it a lot over the nex’ few months.”“Triplets?” asks Sofia, her drink still only partway to her mouth.Isla rolls her eyes “Yes Sofia” she says “Triplets.”“Anyway Sireyi” says Jal “How’d the meeting with the succubum clan leaders go, ‘bout rulership and stuff?”Oh yes...You had decided to take temporary charge of the Succubi nation until they were ready to rule themselves, and you were introducing them to the idea of voting for representatives. It was going well, as they picked their own clan leaders with a sort of voting.Until they decided to hold a nationwide election in the first year and elect you as Queen, permanently. In response you>Accepted, it’s what they wanted>Accepted on a temporary basis, you haven’t given up on teaching them better>Declined the appointment>Other (did what?)
>>36679455>Accepted, it’s what they wantedWell, if its what they wanted. We can always reform later if they decide otherwise.
>>36679455>Until they decided to hold a nationwide election in the first year and elect you as Queen, permanently.Hahahahaha.HahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahaI like these people already.Well,>Accepted, it’s what they wantedThe people have spoken. I don't even know why this makes me laugh so hard, but it does.
>>36679483Ah, to avoid misunderstandings.I figure its bad to tell them" you can decide" and when they do, go "okay, but I will undermine your decision anyway because I don't want it".I think its better to just accept it, and make it a heavily constitutional monarchy.
>>36679455>Accepted on a temporary basis, you haven’t given up on teaching them better
>>36679455>Accepted, it’s what they wanted
>>36679455>Accepted, it’s what they wantedYou're just that good, Sireyi.
>>36679446At first I was confused, but I assume our kids are already so developed thanks to our Sanctuary?Or just being magic, I guess.And>Three girlsPoor Viviken.
>>36679554>At first I was confused, but I assume our kids are already so developed thanks to our Sanctuary?We've previously avoiding using Fecund Sanctuary to avoid that effect. Being able to not use that part of Fecund Sanctuary is a part of why the Adaptive Sanctuary power exists.
>>36679629>We've previously avoiding using Fecund Sanctuary to avoid that effect.Thats part of the confusion yes, but on the spot I couldn't think of a different reason. So I assumed the Sanctuary might still help their mental development along a bit, if not their physical.
You accepted their nomination and became Queen of the Succubi nation of Oreia. The name was taken from one of the earliest all-succubi nations in Hell, long since destroyed but forever seen as a mythical homeland for the succubi. As you are trying to untangle what exactly happened regarding the cookies in question, you hear a knock at the door – that will be Kaela, your secretary, you recall that you are due to speak in Parliament today, about the vote to expand the borders.Ah yes, your new nation...You gave the succubi a choice about where they wanted to go, a million of them decided to help you build a new nation, and the rest where split between going to Drache, and living in the Tribal Lands in the *Azure Empire*.Isla and her children stayed with you, and Sofia and Jal and their children stayed in Dalvin, though thanks to some teleportation circles, travelling between the two is easy.Your companions took the news about Islas children well.“So is each one from each of your...wives?” asked Matthias “Is one going to be like Sireyi, another like Jal and another like Sofia?”Isla shrugged you all walked in the gardens of the keep, some weeks later “I want them to be happy and healthy” she said “As for who they’re like....who knows?”“It’s just a lot to take in” said Matthias, as you walked.Isla grinned at Jianxi “So how about you, any young werewolves on the way?”Both Jianxi and Matthias stopped suddenly, looked at each other, blushed and then looked away “Ah no” said Jianxi “No, not yet, I’m sure.”“Uh yeah” said Matthias quickly “Not yet, for sure.”Jianxi casts around for a change of topic “So Sireyi?” she asks “I heard that the succubi you ruled wanted to start hiring Drache engineers to start building airship ports and *trains* she pronounces the last word carefully “How did that go?”>We modernised Oreia as much as we could>We prioritised basics like housing and roads first, the wonders of Drache can come later>Other (what?)
>>36679676>We prioritised basics like housing and roads first, the wonders of Drache can come later
>>36679676>We prioritised basics like housing and roads first, the wonders of Drache can come laterGood thinking, but rushing this kind of thing without a solid infrastructure as basis, leads only to disaster. Better focus on stuff we can build ourselves, and then move up.
>>36679657Isla has intelligence as a primary and Sireyi has maxed out Angelic Brilliance, those might have something to do with it.
You prioritised the basics, like housing, roads and food production. The devices they have in Drache might seem wonderful, but they only work because entire industries have grown up around them.“Good Morning Your Majesty” says Kaela, entering your room. Your secretary is a succubi who seems to be modelling herself after you – she uses her shapeshifting powers to mimic your appearance, whilst keeping her own style.“Good Morning Kaela” you say, as your daughters continue to argue “What’s on the agenda for today?”“There’s the Parliament speech today” she says “and you also agreed to speak at the graduation of the peacekeepers.”Ah yes, you recall that any succubi transformed into an angel was to spend time settling disputes and helping people reconcile differences. A group of succubi you transformed into angels have been spending time learning how to negotiate with people and help them reach an agreement.You leave your children in bed as you get dressed, recalling how you still need to settle disputes personally, like between your Aunt and your Mother, as you recall..“I think it’s wonderful” says Aunt Anniya as she watches over Mili and Vivi playing with some of the other castle children. Its late afternoon and You’re enjoying a quiet evening after a busy day planeshifting entire succubi clans. You Isla and your aunt are sat in the castle courtyard as the children charge around yelling, sounds like they’re playing Knights against Bandits again. You keep watch, sometimes Mili’s powers manifest when she’s playing, so far there have been no accidents but...you keep watch just in case.“Sireyi” Aunt Anniya looks at you fondly “Now has someone to share her life with – not just children but partners too.” She includes Isla in her approving glance “And I think it’s high time the wilful child I raised has to grow-” She cuts off as with a flash of light, Syderis appears.
“Ugh!” complains your mother as she reappears “If there’s one thing I didn’t miss in Hell it was the paperwork.”“Heaven has paperwork?” asks Isla disbelievingly.“Oh yes” says Syderis, rolling her eyes “So much paperwork.” Then she takes a good look around.“Mili and Vivi are doing well” she says, watching the children play for a few moments before turning to Isla “And you’re looking lovely my dear.” She bends down to kiss Isla on the cheek “So full of life.”“Well” says Isla with a blush “Three lives anyway.”“Yes I heard” says your mother, kissing you on the cheek as well “congratulations – I shall have to give you a few tips about raising children.”“Have you raised many part-angel children?”asks Aunt Anniya innocently, a smile on her face and a glint of...something else in her eye.Syderis turns in surprise “Oh I didn’t see you there, are you..?”“Anniya Valyenya” says Aunt Anniya “With her father distant and her stepmother alternating between ignoring Sireyi and trying to kill her, I took over raising her.”You recall that as being pretty much true, but right now your aunt and your mother appear to be arguing. They’re both smiling but you get the feeling they’re also keeping score somehow...“Then I owe you my thanks” says your mother with a smile “It must have been hard, raising a child whose abilities you know nothing about.”Aunt Anniya chuckles “Abilities aren’t such a big deal” she says “Watching a young child grow, seeing the adult they’ll turn into, watching them learn, that’s how you really understand someone.”“Quite” says your Mother with a tight smile.
You decide to change the topic “Speaking of my abilities” you say “I’ve been using my powers to help my new nation.”“Indeed” says your Mother “Aren’t you using your Sanctuary to protect your entire nation from the Killing Frost, Sireyi? And to help your people grow food?”“Oh Yes” says Aunt Anniya “Sofia wanted to ask if you can extend the effect to Dalvin as well.”Sanctuary Effects?>All of Oreia>Part of Oreia (specify)>Other (what?)>I’ll extend it to Dalvin as well>I can’t, not without Sofia being loyal to me>Other (what?)Note: You can only cover Dalvin with your Sanctuary if Sofia considers you her overlord, rather than having the King of Dornmer as her overlord. This doesn’t have to be a public declaration, as long as Sofia sees it that way. Obviously this vote assumes Sofia agrees with your decision.Effects of Sanctuary?>Speed up animal/crop growth (by what multiplier? Max x50)>No, let things grow naturally>Other (what?)
>>36679878>All of Oreia>I’ll extend it to Dalvin as wellIs soil depletion a thing we would need to worry about? Or is it just "making things more fertile"?
>>36679896>Is soil depletion a thing we would need to worry about?Not when there's magic involved, no.
>>36679878>All of Oreia>I can't, not without Sofia being loyal to me>Speed up animal/crop by x20Economic power house. All shall depend on us for food.
>>36679878>All of Oreia>I’ll extend it to Dalvin as wellI want to see them complain about us protecting people from winter.>>36679919So what would be the possible downsides to speeding it up?I can see some with the cattle, obviously, but why wouldn't we want faster crop growth?
>>36679878>All of Oreia>I’ll extend it to Dalvin as well>Speed up animal/crop growth (50!)
>>36679878>>36679896>>36679919Okay, then>Speed up animal/crop growth (20x)
>>36679878>All of Oreia>I shouldn't>Speed up animal/crop by x25We shouldn't expand it to Dalvin at all, actually. If the King is forced to act again, and Sofia loses the barony, the effects from removing Sanctuary would be terrible.
>>36679949Technically she could consider us her spiritual liege, that wouldn't conflict with her wordly duties, and honestly, if we can spare people suffering, we should.Unless there is some other way to keep winter from as many people as possible.
>>36679878Why can we only cover Dalvin with our Sanctuary if Sofia considers us her overlord, rather than having the King of Dornmer as her overlord?
>>36679977Because we can only cover "our realm", so if Sofia doesn't consider us her Overlord, she isn't part of that.
>>36679878Can we talk to sofia and the king about this?
>>36679991Yes, you can pick that under>Other
>>36679977Because it only covers "lands we rule". If we don't rule in Dalvin, we can't cover it.It is a tricky business, and I'm willing to change my vote if an alternative exists to protect Donmer and Dalvin.>>36679991This will just create trouble, he can pretend ignorance as long as we keep it quiet, but if we shove it in his face, then he HAS to act against it, because we would be splitting of the barony afterall.
>>36680001Before the vote is counted, will there be other options to protect Dalvin and Donmer from winter, if we don't cover Dalvin now?
>>36680009I don't think you can ignore that one barony that is not having to deal with winter
>>36680052You can if it has a wellspring dedicated to the Goddess of Life in it.
>>36680036Not within the timeskip no, but after it, yes.Currently the Killing Frosts powers are making winters more severe, over time it will get a lot worse, options to do more will be available then.
>>36680059the wellspring isn't that powerful
>>36679878>>36679931Okay changing to>NoUnder the assumption should it become too bad for Sofias taste, we can't really stop her from considering herself our subject.
>>36680074Anon, he's saying we'd use it as an excuse for why her barony isn't having to deal with winter, not that the wellspring itself would actually be responsible for it.
>>36680094I do not think that lying to the king is a good idea.
>>36679878>All of Oreia>I can't, not without Sofia being loyal to me>Speed up animal/crop by x50Well then, winter is coming. Let's use it and make the kingdom dependent on food produced by the Succubi.This will make Orea a powerhouse and maybe help bring down the prejudice.
>>36680086I kinda wished the king and nobility had some good sense and would just become a autonomous state under our rulership to avoid getting killed by freezing cold.>>36680103We wouldn't lie, just not deny their reasonable, but wrong, assumption.oh and>>36679931>>36679878>Speed up animal/crop growth (20x)Forgot that one.
>>36679878changing >>36679936 to >I can’t, not without Sofia being loyal to me
>>36680112>This will make Orea a powerhouse and maybe help bring down the prejudice.>Having a wealthy neighbor whos swimming in food while starving will make people less resentful.Thats not how it works. Not even slightly. If anything we can be lucky Dalvin borders us, because people will more likely resent our Kingdom for its plenty, because people always do.
>>36680117the king probably would, we just have to watch out for the nobility who are the ones who would raise a stink over this.
>>36680144>the king probably wouldBefore that last tantrum I would have agreed, but now. I'm not so sure anymore.We can tell him its an option, I guess.
>>36680137Well, we can give somenof it away for free. Like, sell food to the baronies, donate to the churches, etc. As winter worsebs, we can reduce the price as they become more and more dependant, as a sign if good will.
>>36680159*some of it*worsensOops, typo.
>>36679929>capitalizing on an unnatural disasterMazon pls go
>>36680159I wished this kind of good will would also be considered and appreciated as such. But I wouldn't bet on it. People can be very very unreasonable.Not that we shouldn't do that if we can afford it, but we need to be careful we don't flood the market and add financial devastation to the other troubles of the peasentry.Supporting the Vela churches with food deliveries might be a good way to go about it.
>>36679878>All of Oreia>Abstain>Speed up animal/crop growth (20)
>>36679878>All of Oreia>I’ll extend it to Dalvin as well>Speed up animal/crop growth (x20)
>>36679878>>36679878>All of Oreia>I can't, not without Sofia being loyal to me>Speed up animal/crop by x20But, isn't Sofia loyal to Sireyi as well?
>>36680277Its oddly phrased, but she would need to be actually ruled by Sireyi for it to count.Or at least consider herself her subject.
>>36679878>All of Oreia>I’ll extend it to Dalvin as wellunless the king and/or the nobles will get whiny about it.>Speed up animal/crop growth (x20)
>>36679878>>All of Oreia>I’ll extend it to Dalvin as well>Speed up animal/crop growth (x30)
>>36680287Then, extensing it to Falvin means asking Sofia to swear loyalty to Sireyi?Isn't that a bit risky? Konig might not approve of it either.
>>36680352Thats the issue and why people vote against it.Besides that there would be no reason not to do it.A civil war in addition to the winter would be catastrophic.
closing vote, only point of contention was extending to Dalvin, I read the votes as *no* winning, writing.
>>36680364which is why I'd like to talk to the king about it. Hopefully we can make this a non-issue.
>>36680352>Isn't that a bit risky?Thats putting it mildly.>Konig might not approve of it eitherWe would be tarnishing his honor, since has guaranteed for Sofias suitability as ruler, among other things in regard to the possibility of Sireyi controlling her.
>>36680380No we can't, talking to him would do nothing, except give ammunition to our enemies who would claim that we are threatening or extorting him."Submit of die by freezing" isn't a line we want to be associated with us.The only thing he could do, would be submitting to us, and the real posibility exists that would tear the kingdom apart afterall.
>>36680380If anything its Konig we should talk to.
You used your powers to speed up the rate and which plants and some animals grow and age by twenty times. As a result, despite being in a desolate mountain landscape your nation regularly has a surplus of food, and through Dalvin, supplies a lot of food to Dornmer, especially in the winter.Ah yes, the winter. Every year the winters have gotten harsher as the Killing Frosts grip tightens. Your realm is free of his magic, but as he can affect much of the world, you still feel the effects indirectly, and even your realm is under deep snow in the winter.Your avoided spreading your Sanctuary to Dalvin as well, it would not have gone unnoticed and you did not want the King to declare Dalvin a rebellious barony. Still, the Barony of Dalvin fares better than much of the rest of the Kingdom in winter time, due to all the food you trade to Dornmer moving through the barony.You spend the morning giving a speech to the new peacemakers and chatting to them, and then that afternoon you address Parliament.A larger house of governance is under construction, but for now 200 representatives and you fit into a much smaller wooden building.The debate today is about expanding the borders. You prefer that they make their own choices, but many of the succubi cannot get over their awe of you, and you know that speaking for one side or another will probably tip the vote in that direction. You listen to the arguments.“We have too much to do in Oreia” argues a speaker against the motion “We’ve lived here for a short few years by the grace of Our Saviour” she gestures to where you are sat “and although we have plenty to eat, again by Her grace, there are still houses to build and roads to lay. We need hospitals and schools and homes and trade halls, not more land.” She sits.
Another succubi stands “Every year” she says “the winter comes, and although we have plenty, the areas we raise crops and animals are few, by Her grace” she gestures to you “we do not go hungry, but the fertile land we have is sparse, and could easily be destroyed by an attack by the orc or beastmen tr-”Another succubi jumps to her feet and yells over here “Are you suggesting that Divine Sireyis protection could fail!” The house is disrupted by arguments and accusations of faithlessness.“I’m saying” says the pro-expansion speaker “that not all orcs or beastmen are evil enough for Our Lady’s protection the exclude them. And that under Her protection the winter is less, the more we expand our borders across the Tribal Lands. The more, yes the more mortals bought under Her rule, the fewer will die of hunger and cold.”“Would you have us expand to the whole world?” asks another member incredulously.“For now” she responds “I ask only that we expand our borders in the territories we have laid out.” The areas they want to expand to are inhabited by beastmen and orcs, who won’t back down easily.“But in time” she adds “I don’t see why not.”>Don’t speak, let them decide>Speak against expansion>Speak in favour of expanding borders>OtherYou know that no matter what they decide, if you don’t sign the act, it won’t be law, but you’ve always encouraged them to think for themselves, and you’ve yet to veto a signal act the house has passed.
>>36680375Just counting those linking your post it seems fifty fifty with some wanting to talk to the King first. Could we do that first before a final destination vote?
>>36680375If it's "no" then I hope Sofia understands. And that we can change that eventually.People are going to complain to the King and the Nobles about not getting a shiny Sanctuary to protect them from the winter and blame them, I'm sure.
>>36680408"Submit of die by freezing"That isn't it at all. we're talking to him to say "Hey I don't want to step on any toes here, is it okay If Sophie swears loyalty to me so that I can protect her barony from winter and she can grow food and give to the rest of the kingdom so they don't starve as much as they would have"
>>36680448Two changed their vote.No did win.>>36680445>Don’t speak, let them decide
ok, I'm writing a post about talking to the King, please wait patiently.
>>36680445>Don’t speak, let them decide
>>36680459>That isn't it at all.No, but its what our enemies will make it sound like to everyone.
>>36680445>Speak in favour of expanding borders
>>36680448No clearly won due to two people changing their mind.I >>36679896Just didn't bother changing since No was already winning anyway.>>36680445>Don’t speak, let them decide
>>36680482Kay.>>36680484Don’t we have co-rulership of our Sister’s land by virtue of it bein a Deocracy with our sister and us on top? Or does Sireyi need to be the absolute ruler?
>>36680445>Speak against expansionnot right now. but you're concerns are noted and we will increase their protection.I would let them decide, but I'm worried they would bring conflict when we don't need it.
>>36680448>Could we do that first before a final destination vote?No need for that, you miscounted.And I'm against talking to him, unless we can guarantee absolute privacy.
>>36680536crops protection that is.
>>36680535I fear our sister would not consider us her Overlord.But maybe it works anyway since she is our Paladin and therefore nominally under our rule, even if we don't exercise it.
>>36680484Sorry for bringing it up. Apparently most here don’t want to talk to the king, I take back my suggestion.
>>36680445>Don’t speak, let them decideI can see the points of both sides, but in the end, they would have to fight or live with these tribes, so they should decide on their own.
>>36680535>>36680564Borders need to touch, currently you and your Sister rule different places in the Tribal Lands.For the purpose of Sanctuary 5 it needs to be a single unbroken area.
>>36680564While we don’t actively rule we are one of the two goddesses, and the other goddess is actually our Paladin. I wouldn’t be surprised either way.Being the god of a nation and the ruler of a nation might be different concepts for something counting as our realm.
>>36680565Don't need to be sorry about it, just because I disagree with you.Its a thing that can be done, I just think it risks a lot.
>>36680583Oh? That changes a lot. Changing >>36680482>Speak in favour of expanding bordersCloser to our sister
>>36680583Can we gerrymander it so it's just a thin line that touches her borders?
>>36680583So we also cannot use it for territory across different realms?Would we need to buy Permanent Sanctuary a second time for a second territory?
>>36680608>So we also cannot use it for territory across different realms?Not yet, but good idea for an expansion, thanks.
>>36680583How far away are the borders?>>36680608I think it would be easier to have our sister buy Sanctuary.
>>36680608>Would we need to buy Permanent Sanctuary a second time for a second territory?Permanent Sanctuary can't be bought multiple times. Sanctuary 5 wasn't added to Permanent Sanctuary anyway.>>36680622That depends on if she's able to get Deific Expansions or not.
>>36680622>How far away are the borders?200 mils or so
>>36680645>That depends on if she's able to get Deific Expansions or not.Can she?
>>36680652If she can, I would suggest we have her buy at least that much with her open XP, regardless of what we do with the rest and when.
>>36680645If we make a road to connect our realms, then could we help Blue?
>>36680697Probably only if we can enforce our rule on that road and make it part of our realm.With waystations and such. But 200miles is a long long way for that kind of thing.
>>36680645Yes>>36680697Yes, you'd need to have your forces patrol the road regularly to ensure that it still counts as part of your realm. as >>36680715 has said.An orc tribe camping on the road could break the connection for example.
>>36680722>YesExcellent.Okay. I second the suggestion >>36680665
>>36680652>Can she?This is what I was trying to say *yes* to in my previous post.Your sister explicitly *can* buy Deific expansions, as long as she has Deific points when she selects them, and she requires Deific power to use them.
>>36680715Maybe have her reach part way and we meet her in the middle.
>>36680748>she requires Deific power to use them.So she'd need to consume 2 DP/year in order to keep using Sanctuary 5 or would it just be a one-time activation cost?
>>36680753Looks like that has become a non-issue >>36680748 We probably want to meet her at some point, but if she can just buy Rank4-5, thats even better.
>>36680766I think he meant that she needs to have any amount of DP so she can use them, since she is only "divine" as long as she has a supply of those.
Regarding Sireyi's fight with the Kiling Frost last thread, does she remember what powers, spells, and attacks it used. It could make the rematch easier to have a peek at his moveset.
>>36680766>So she'd need to consume 2 DP/year in order to keep using Sanctuary 5 or would it just be a one-time activation cost?If she has Lasting Sanctuary it would be a one-time cost. She'd only have to pay again if the effect was ended.I'm seeing the winning vote on borders as *let them decide*.Do people want a re-vote in light of new information?
>>36680795I would only change back to "let them decide", since we can just have her buy the Sanctuary Ranks, and don't need to expand that urgently.
>>36680795I'll just vote for letting them decide again. The new information in favor of expansion has become irrelevant since Blue can just get Sanctuary 5 herself.
>>36680795I say we point out pros and cons in our opinion to the Succubus, then let them decide.
>>36680795I'd like that, as my post didn't go through earlier.
>>36680834Isn't that what the succubi are already doing?
>>36680795Nah, let show move on.Wouldn't change my vote either way.
>>36680806>>36680808That would require more DP expenditure. Give DP to her to huy and give her the DP to use the power.Expanding and doing it ourselves seems much cheaper.
>>36680879>That would require more DP expenditure.No it wouldn't? She only needs to spend DP once to activate it. She got 340XP to spend, and Rank 4-5 would only require 45, thats nothing.Expanding over 200miles is definitly not easy.
>>36680879>Give DP to her to huy and give her the DP to use the power.No it wouldn't, she has eight now. I don't think she needs the DP to buy the power, but instead of reserving her max DP (due to not having a max DP) she has to pay the cost each time it's used.So two of her eight already-present DP.On the other hand, expanding in her direction would take a pretty significant length of time, years at the least, due to the distance we have to cover and the fact that it's already inhabited by savage tribes.
>>36680900>each time it's usedLuckily she already has Permanent Sanctuary, so she only has to use it once.
>>36680907You mean Lasting Sanctuary. Putting it into Permanent Sanctuary might make it so the protection goes down as soon as she leaves her realm, assuming it's even possible to do so with the Deific Expansion sanctuaries.
I think it would be relevant to the discussion to know how Bluey’s realm is doing food-wise.If they are still starving so bad that they are resorting to cannibalism, then it would be worth the expenditure of power. It would also vasty expedite the growth of her empire if that’s the only place with plenty of food in the whole tribal lands.
>>36680929I did, sorry. Mixed those two up.
>>36680952I see no condition her realm could be in in which it would not be worth those 45XP and 2DP.
Despite people on both side of the debate looking up at you, clearly wanting you to take their side you don’t speak.Eventually after much debate, the Act is passed, no doubt it will be sent to you for signing soon, if you do then your borders will expand, and you’ll soon be at war with the beastmen and orcs that already live there.“Is that all Kaela?” you ask your secretary quietly, you don’t feel like voicing your frustrations right now, you just want to go.“Of the important votes yes” she says “There’s plenty of other Acts being proposed and debated today but they’re mostly about clan territories, allocation of funding to public works, and the Act to build you a palace, again.”“I already told then no once” you protest.“You did” says Kaela “but now they’re raising security concerns about your family, that the Royal Guard might be better able to protect you in a palace that does you honour rather than your current accommodation.”“They don’t need to honour me” you say as you watch the House debate...something...below you, each trying to convince their opponents. Two of the lead speakers are almost face to face, screaming at one another, ah here it comes, your cue to leave, yup, there you go...As their argument reaches a critical point the two succubi suddenly embrace and start kissing, tearing each others clothes off and one forces the other to the floor. Soon several such couples are likewise occupied as the spoken debate continues around them. With a sigh you get up and leave.Kaela walks at you side “If you told them to stop” she says carefully “I’m sure they would.”“What puzzles me” you say as you leave the building, dozens of spear-wielding succubi bodyguards surrounding you “is why, I mean, they obviously don’t agree about the issue at hand so why are they doing something so intimate?”Kaela shrugs “To us” she says “It’s just another form of communication, a chance to discuss or convince someone.”
“Not to the Reborn” you point out quickly.“The Reborn are strange” says Kaela after a long pause. The two of you, and your guards take flight, heading back home. “I understand that they feel that we’ve been used by others because of sex” she continues “But to say that they won’t with anyone but their spouses, and won’t talk about it in front of their children, and keep trying to ban it in public, just doesn’t make sense.”“Yeah” you say with a smile, “it’s a mystery to me too.”“Are you mocking me my Queen?” asks Kaela as she glides beside you.“I never would” you protest “Anyway, what’s next today?”“The priestesses” she says, you roll your eyes “again?” you ask.“They’ve completed every task you’ve asked of them.” She says “Won’t you at least consider it?”True, your divine powers have grown a lot with your new worshippers, and you wonder if now is the time to start granting your priests magical powers.“I’ll talk to them” you say firmly to Kaela “but no promises.”---And I’m ending the thread there. Paladin of Joy is now on Hiatus, for the next 3 months or so.You may note a substantial increase in Sireyis Deific Power on her character sheet. Please use the rest of the thread to suggest (and vote) on how to spend them (including buying new Domains if you want to) as well as XP spending for the Azure Empress.AA, feel free to post Dalvin realm expenditures in thread, or email them to me.I’ll be around for questions, as always. I’m sorry todays thread was kindof short, and I thank you for playing, you’ve been great players and I hope to see you for my next quest, and if not, then I hope to see you in about 3 months time.
>>36681056>AA, feel free to post Dalvin realm expenditures in thread, or email them to me.There's a certain thing in one of the previous e-mails I need you to answer before I can do that, actually.Get the Storm domain for 200 Deific Power.
>>36681056Thank you for running for all these 56 threads, its been a blast, and I eagerly anticipate both your new quest and the return of Paladin of Joy.>774Holy shit.How much of that goes to our sister as per our agreement? Or do we need to decide that later?I still think we should keep XP spending for the empress until she gets the opportunity to buy draconic powers. Except for Sanctuary 4-5 of course.
>>36681056>and won’t talk about it in front of their childrenNow that’s a silly rule.
>>36681092Is it the selling magic items question?The answer is: Yes you can, but pricing every item will be a headache.If the players want to make and sell magic items then give me a rough idea of what you make, and how much time you spend making them for sale (weeks/years) and I'll tell you how much extra income that brings in.
>>36681056Holy shit! Great thread Pally! When is the the next quest starting? and will the MC in that quest get as powerful as Sireyi? i mean not like he becomes a god powerful but as in he can take on the really big threats in his world?
>>36681056Thank you for running for these last months, being so tolerant of our pleads and sometimes demands and tantrums. Hope to see you again soon with your new quest.As for questions, if you don't mind, I would like to know what we did different from your original timeskip plans.>>36681092>Get the Storm domain for 200 Deific Power.I would prefer it if we could get some idea of what the Domains would give us if we get them. Life seems very tempting too, as does Succubi.
What do you guys think about giving some of our friends some DP as an emergency reserve, similar to what Bluey got but only one-time and only like 2-5?
We need to build a Heaven! Our worshippers need to go SOMEWHERE when they die.
>>36681056Thanks for running once again. Looking forward to choosing the youngest available female in your next quest.>and you wonder if now is the time to start granting your priests magical powersCould we get an idea of how many priestesess we need to bless, so we can plan our DP accordingly?
>>36681163I second this. We need a heaven
>>36681151I'm not even sure we can do that.I really hope we can't do that, because that would be seriously broken.
>>36681092>storm domainI'd like to buy Life instead. It fits very much with the whole benevolent Goddess thing we have. On the other hand, we use storm only for battles.
>>36681163We definitly need a heaven.Then we need to save DP for our Twin, as we agreed. And save some to bless our new priestesses.Maybe buy a Domain, but I'm still waiting out what those can give us.
>>36681056Not trying to shit up the thread, but just wanted to say as another QM that I hope you keep running (especially this quest in particular)!Thanks for everything you do! The story has been great so far IMO
>>36681192Life would also help us against the Killing Frost.But I will weep that we can't take Domain (Succubutts), its so tempting, but so inappropriate.
>>36681143>I would prefer it if we could get some idea of what the Domains would give us if we get them. Life seems very tempting too, as does Succubi.You get personal powers depending on the domain, as well as more deific power from certain sources.Life comes with faster healing, physical stat boosts, bonus to healing powers, the ability to make places or people capable of bringing forth life (cure infertility, turn barren wasteland into cropland).Storm will increase your storm related powers, give you innate weather control etc.You also get extra deific power depending on the domain: Life gives you more from mortal worshippers, angel domain gives you more from angels etc.>>36681172>Could we get an idea of how many priestesess we need to bless, so we can plan our DP accordingly?You have far more candidates than you have Deific Power. Also, you can't grant them priest powers unless you know them yourself.>>36681203Thank you for the feedback, what quests do you run?
>>36681218>Also, you can't grant them priest powers unless you know them yourself.Okay, so we need to spend some DP on buying Priestess spells. Finally.Are we still restricted in our priest magic to level 2?
>>36681218Is there a Succubutt domain?
>>36681140>When is the the next quest starting?About a week or so, I'll post on twitter closer to the time.And will the MC in that quest get as powerful as Sireyi? i mean not like he becomes a god powerful but as in he can take on the really big threats in his world?I hope so, yes.MC will start off as a mere mortal though, no half-angel shannigans.>>36681234Nope, max is now 5
>>36681240Our domains available are Demons (succubi); Dragons (black); Storms; Life.
>>36681192Yeah, why would we want a more combat-oriented domain when there's an eldritch horror rampaging across the plane and an inevitable battle against it's army of millions.>>36681240I can't imagine that domain granting powers that are worth the cost.
>>36681218>Which quests do you run?Check your twitter. I don't want to shit up your thread - the attention, deservedly, should be on you and PoJ in here. >brofist.jpg
So. Suggestions.DP investments>100 Heaven>200 Domain(Life)>100 for 5 priests>100 for our sisterThen we need to invest XP in buying Priest magic, because we have absolutely none so far.Azure Empress>buys Sanctuary 4-5
List of powers I think Sireyi should get:>Blessed Health 4>Divine Shield 5For personal safety.>Healing Touch 5>+ Mass healFor less expensive resurrection + healing allies.Cool to have:>Some Lantern powers>Massive Dragon Form>Life SightSeeing how many hitpoints remain would have been very useful in a few situations.>Learn Priest SpellsJust a couple of them, so that our priests can be more awesome>Questions:What would "Wide sanctuary" do if it already covers the whole realm? How long can be be away from our realm before the effect of Sanctuary stops?
>>36681293Nice idea, I'm curious though, why not use deific power to gain priest magic yourself?
>>36681304Wide sanctuary cannot be used with Sanctuary 5, sorry.
>>36681311We could invest DP for that too. But it would be another 70 or so at least.
>>36681317And the other question? How long after we leave does the sanctuary effect stop?
>>36681323Probably closer to 90, if we want to allow a real spread for our priestesses. Which would bring this>>36681293Up to 590DP spend. Leaving us still with a good184 DP, for fighting the Lord of Life, assuming the 3 years are already included, which I assume.Seconding then.
>>36681042*sigh*I knew this would be the option they chose.I'm not signing it. New nation does not need war. Especially not with the Killing Frost around.
>>36681311A problem is that we don't have a list of priest spells.
>>36681363We utterly shattered a army of hundred thousands of them, they aren't going to pick a fight with us.The problem will be to incorporate those that want to live in our lands.
>>36681293Adding >>36681344>90 for priest magicAnd I second this.I still say we should wait with further purchases for the Empress until she has a t least a dragon pact, so she can buy that sweet Arcanotek.
>>36681293We have no XP for getting priest spells, 100 is just the base cost for a Heaven, we'll likely wind up requiring more DP investiture for that for anything other than 'grey featureless plain'.>>36681304So is this list for whenever or do you think we can those things now?>>36681323>70It'd be more than that. 10xRank to access ranks, 1xRank to get spells.>>36681365We do, it's in party abilities.>>36681391There are some other abilities she should get now. The demonic physical enhancements, for one.
I'm fine with anything, just so long as it have a Heaven.
>>36681317>As for questions, if you don't mind, I would like to know what we did different from your original timeskip plans.I would like to bring this question up again, in case you didn't see it.
>Total Other Supernatural Creatures: 749,202 (, 749,000 succubi)Am I the only one who is sad that only a third of the Succubutts she rescued started worshipping Sireyi?
>>36681404>It'd be more than that. 10xRank to access ranks, 1xRank to get spells.Yes, I calculated 50 for the 5 ranks and then 20 spells. I don't think they are going to be all that powerful anytime soon that we need more than 20 spells.
>>36681404>100 is just the base cost for a Heaven, we'll likely wind up requiring more DP investiture for that for anything other than 'grey featureless plain'I don't see the point of this comment. We don't know if and how much we need in addition, so we can't calculate that. So what was the point you were making?
>>36681415We saved 1,5 milion.So a half of them started worshipping us.I'm more concerned that over 200k of the succubi in our nation don't worship us.
>>36681404>There are some other abilities she should get now. The demonic physical enhancements, for one.Then make a suggestions list. I agree, there is some other stuff she could get, but she doesn't have all that much XP to swing around, so we need to be careful with that.
>>36681373It would still bring us into conflict with our sister, wouldn't it. And we don't need them to start raiding from provocation.I'm not sure if we should let them decide everything, since as a ruler we have responsibilities, and we don't want them to have the same political crap happening like with the nobles. I'm certainly stepping in if any of our citizens' lives are put at risk.
>>36681293Yeah, I'm fine with that.Life or Succubus domain is fitting. Life to pwn the lord of life and succubus to bolster our new nation/army and much of our followers.
>>36681422I think he means its 10xthe rank, for each rank. So we would need 150DP for all 5.
>>36681422Anon, that would only cover the cost for the fifth rank alone and twenty L1 spells, or four L5 spells.In case you forgot, ranks need to be purchased in succession, at least they would for our priests.>>36681458>Demonic Regeneration +1 -6 XP>Demonic Might +5 -30 XP>Demonic Speed +5 -30 XP>Demonic Toughness +5 -30 XP>Sanctuary 4 -20 XP>Sanctuary 5 -25 XP>Angels Sight 2 + 3 -25 XP>See the Flow -5 XP>See the Unseen -5 XP>Intense Lightning: Lightning Bolt -8 XP (assuming I read her CS right and she only has Intense Lightning for Lightning Storm)See the Flow was useful in the Fae fight, True Seeing is great, Intense Lightning Bolts are a significant increase in damage potential, Sanctuary 4 and 5 for obvious reasons.>>36681465Our sister doesn't rule the people we're expanding into.
>>36681465>It would still bring us into conflict with our sister, wouldn't itNo it wouldn't. Our sister is 200 miles away. We won't expand nearly that much.Sure if one of the decisions would have been potentially catastrophic we won't let them hang themselves, but in this case, it was a decision between equally valid options.
>>36681254Well, why not ask what it does then?Hey Pally, what do the succubus and dragon domains grant us?
>>36681473Ah, I see what you mean, I misread that part. the suggested 90 still work though, we don't really need rank 5 right now, we mostly get the priest magic for our priests. So90 still buys us Rank 3 and 30 spells. Unless people want to change to 190.
>>36681473>See the Flow -5 XP>See the Unseen -5 XP10 XP. I accidentally calculated that for the Angelic Discount which our sister doesn't have.
>>36681505>30 spells>1 Deific Power per rank per spell to learn it.30 L1s, 15 L2, 10 L3s.
>>36681404I think we could get many of those things right now. Especially the first two and healing touch 5. They would be invaluable in a battle and save a lot of DP if we have to resurrect people.The latter stuff is for whenever.
>>36681513I keep making that mistake. Gah!Okay, so 3 Ranks and 10 lvl1, 5lvl2 and 3 lvl 3 spells.>>36681473If I see it right, this leaves us with 146 XP on the Blue?Looks good to me.
>>36681522Where does the XP required to buy those powers come from?We can only get angel-specific XP with our DP, so only Life Sight, Angels Lantern peripherals and the priest spells, if we buy them with DP, are valid.
>>36681404>We do, it's in party abilities.Thats only those our allies have. None of which have Rank 5.
>>36681536Don’t we get XP every year? And what kind of XP do we get from absorbing storms?Also, if we do get the Life domain, then we could probably spend DP on those powers as well.
>>36681557Priest Magic 5: Priest Magic 5 costs 15XP to learn, spells cost 5XP to learnAvailable Spells Antimagic Field: Negates magic nearby.Dimensional Lock: Teleportation and interplanar travel blocked in an area.Earthquake: Create earthquake.Gate: Connects two planes for travel or summoning.Heal: Cures 72+(Will modx5) damageHoly Aura: +10 Bonus to defences against evil spells.(E) Planar Ally, Major: As minor planar ally, but strong ally.Symbol of Death: Triggered rune slays nearby creatures.Symbol of Insanity: Triggered rune renders nearby creatures insane.Soul Bind: Traps newly dead soul to prevent resurrection.Unholy Aura: +10 to defences against good spells.True Resurrection: Bring creature back from the dead.It's in party abilities.>>36681563We didn't receive any over the timeskip and XP previous to that has been spent.Storm XP, which can be spent on Arcane spells, Willpower and Elemental abilities.No, we can't, getting AXP for DP isn't listed as part of the angelic domain, it's a fundamental part of our divinity due to either our nature or the fact that our primary domain is Angels.
>>36681341If you have Lasting Sanctuary then it doesn't have a fixed duration, but it can be dispelled.>>36681409I planned....That you'd keep hunting Killing Frost.That You'd use Drache tech to build your realmThat you'd protect Dalvin from the winterHeaven: Basic Heaven (100DP) is as large as your mortal realm (so for you, thousands of square miles). You can fill it with whatever terrain you want, even fantastic/impossible terrain (fllying castles, breathable lava etc).But only your (dead) worshiper and you can go there, and you can't take anything out of it.Extra DP is to expand it, allow others to visit (making it an actual plane), add defences against intrusion, stuff like that.>>36681488Demon (Succubi)Personal: Fellowship boost, empathy powers, mind-reading, life-drain powers, increased control over fertility (some overlao with existing powers), succubi formDeific Power: More Deific Power from Succubi, lower cost to grant priest/paladin powers to succubi, can grant non-succubi worshipers succubi powers.Dragon (black):Personal: Innate Black Dragon form (no cost), Fellowship bonus to black dragons, acid immunity, Willpower boostDeific Power: More Deific Power from Black dragons, lower cost to grant powers to black dragons, can grant non-dragon worshipers dragon powers.Just FYI: Angel domain means you receive *less* deific power from demons, succubi domain would override this.
>>36681534More precise, using examples from Poppy.Bless, Bless Water, Comprehend Languages, Create Water, Cure Minor Wounds, Detect Chaos/Evil/Good/Law, Detect Magic,Detect Undead,Protection from Chaos/Evil/Good/Law, Remove Fear;Calm Emotions, Remove Curse, Remove Disease, Hold Person, Cure Moderate Wounds;True Seeing, Righteous Might, Flame Strike;
>>36681623I'd prefer Cure Severe Wounds over Righteous Might.
>>36681621>That you'd keep hunting Killing Frost.>That You'd use Drache tech to build your realm>That you'd protect Dalvin from the winterhahahaha, oh shit.The last one surprises me in particular, I wouldn't have thought Sireyi would risk civil war so soon again.
>>36681653I figured that some muscles is useful, and succubi have naturally high willpower so CMW would suffice.Not married to it though.
>>36681621Now tell us exactly what Storm and Life domains give us.
>>36681673He already did.Life comes with faster healing, physical stat boosts, bonus to healing powers, the ability to make places or people capable of bringing forth life (cure infertility, turn barren wasteland into cropland).Storm will increase your storm related powers, give you innate weather control etc.
>>36681681Yeah, and look how vague that is compared to his explanations of Succubi and Dragon.
>>36681293Add>3 DP to make our wives immortal and pay the XP debt ourselves
>>36681725Ah yeah, I forgot about that one. Its angelic too isn't?We should really do that one of these days.
>>36681673StormPersonal: Damage/range increase of all storm powers; Innate storm summoning ability; control of weather in your realmDeific Power: More deific power based upon how many storms active in your realm; can grant storm powers to worshipersLifePersonal: Boosts healing/regen, Strength, Dexterity Agility boost, Doubles effect of any healing power, fertility powers, ability to alter land to make it fruitfulDeific Power: More deific power from mortals and your own descendents; discount on granting life/healing/fertility powers and spells to followers I may change things, but that's what I have so far.
Pally, will you be using the same twitter for your new quest?
>>36681056Thanks for the thread OP! Was great.
>>36681621Do succubi go to our Heaven too when they die?I don't remember how it was with demons and souls in this setting.
>>36681810They will if they worship you, otherwise no.
>>36681858What happens to our sisters worhsippers? Do they go to our heaven?
>>36681913Yes, building a Heaven is one of the powers your sister cannot learn on her own, as she's not a *true* goddess.
>>36681621Well, look at that. Succubutt domain is actually rather attractive and seems it will pay off quite well.
>>36682023Life is still better.
>>36682023>>36682042Why not both.jpg
>>36682023It actually is very good.Although Life and Storm are still more useful to us, its definitly worth considering.>>36682056Each cost 200DP
>>36682056Because that would take all our existent DP and we have no idea how much more we'd receive from either domain.I'd greatly prefer Storm for our third domain anyway, to give a bit of a mass combat weapon. Also because Storm Angel.>>36682066Third costs 500 DP, actually.
>>36682080Depending on by how much it would improve our DP gain, succubus might actually be worth it.
>>36682104Life improves the DP we gain from mortal followers, in addition to more useful abilities, and we have as many mortals worshiping us as we do Succubi.So I still consider it the better of two domains.
>>36682145I meant compared to Storm as our third, Life is the better choice for our next one, in my opinion.
>>36682145Does Oreia impose any restriction to the succubi's reproduction? Because if not, I expect a baby boom.
>>36682145We would gain more additional DP from Succubus Domain because our DP gain would go from malus to bonus instead of from neutral to bonus.
>>36682210No we haven't, and, I'm not sure if succubi can reproduce with eachother in this setting.
>>36682220Do you know how much the malus is? Or the bonus?That's only a part of the benefit anyway, unless it gives us 500 extra DP, it's not worth it right now.>>36682228They can.>>36682196Maybe. Storm would be good for dealing with the Lord of Life. It's also supposed to let us summon/create intelligent storm elementals, but OP might've dropped that part.
>>36682257>They can.Well, then we get a baby boom. Sounds nice to me.As for Storm, I admit for fighting it might be worth it. But on the other hand, life can be useful for counteracting the LoLs global effects.
>>36682257>It's also supposed to let us summon/create intelligent storm elementals, but OP might've dropped that part.Well, forgotten anyway. And yes, this is part of the Storm domain
>>36682284Yeah, and it'll let us turn the infertile land in our kingdom into fertile land, which is evidently a problem.Storm and Life are both good choices, and each excels within a particular field.
>>36682327> turn the infertile land in our kingdom into fertile landWe already have sanctuary for that. We are not even using half of it's maximum power.
>>36682363>Another succubi stands “Every year” she says “the winter comes, and although we have plenty, the areas we raise crops and animals are few, by Her grace” she gestures to you “we do not go hungry, but the fertile land we have is sparse, and could easily be destroyed by an attack by the orc or beastmen tr-”Yeah, no. Sanctuary makes things grow faster, it doesn't make life where there isn't any.
>>36682363Fecund doesn't actually make stuff grow where it wouldn't, it just makes stuff grow faster.
>>36682363I still don't know why that was a option, in theory, I see no reason why we wouldn't want crop to grow as fast as possible. At least within reason, when soil depletion is not a problem and it doesn't grow so fast we can't harvest it.
>>36682285What were the tasks we asked from our aspiring priests?
>>36682454Things to prove that they wanted to be priests, had morals consistent with yours, were willing to work hard etc.
>>36682473Pally, are you Proskub or Antiskub?
>100 to create a Heaven>200 to gain Domain (Life)>100 to anoint 5 Priests>100 as a gift for Dark Sireyi>96 for Priest Spells (60 for the first three ranks, 36 for spells)>3 to get the XP to make our wives immortal>9 to get every remaining Angelic power>166 remainingAngelic>Angels Fire 1-3 -18 AXP>Seeking Fire -6 AXP>Healing Fire -6 AXP>Massive Lightning Storm x 2 -16 AXP (Assuming it caps at three purchases, otherwise lets spend another 20 DP and get a city-killer)>True Angelic Magic -6 AXP>Life Sight -5 AXP>See Through The World -5 AXP>See Through Deception -5 AXP>Purifying Burst -4 AXP>Lanterns Blast -4 AXP>Lanterns Beam -4 AXP>Divine Spell Lantern -4 AXP>Purifying Beam -4 AXP>Divine Energy +3 (6) -3 AXPTrue Angelic Magic spells won't be immediately visible, as I'm currently in the process of revamping them. They'll be done before the hiatus is.1st Level>Bless>Bless Water>Comprehend Languages>Create Water>Cure Minor Wounds>Detect Chaos/Evil/Good/Law>Detect Magic>Detect Undead>Protection from Chaos/Evil/Good/Law>Remove Fear2nd Level>Dispel Magic>Remove Curse>Remove Disease>Hold Person>Cure Moderate Wounds3rd Level>True Seeing>Cure Severe Wounds>Flame Strike>Neutralize Poison>Divine PowerThis is what I'm seeing so far, and a few additions or alterations of my own, listed below.9 DP for every remaining angelic power.Exchanged Righteous Might for Divine Power. They're similar enough, I just prefer Divine Power.Added Neutralize Poison, to ensure our priests can treat anyone suffering from a poison or venom as well as diseases.Added Cure Severe Wounds, as it is a pretty large step up from Cure Moderate Wounds and our priests will probably be healers, for the most part.Exchanged Calm Emotions for Dispel Magic because it's more versatile, unnatural emotional effects are probably magic and natural emotional effects shouldn't be magically altered.Give feedback on things you want changed.
>>36682728In face of clarifications, I'd like to exchange Life for Succubus Domain.Empowering our DP production is very, very appealing, and I expect the succubi numbers to increase exponentially in the next few years.
>>36682728I agree with this fully.Want to include our Twins purchases?>>36682768Life is still better, our main worry is fighting the Lord of Life, for which Life is a better choice, or Storm. While succubi would increase our DP, we don't know by how much, and all its other bonuses are not nearly as useful.
>>36682728>96 for Priest Spells (60 for the first three ranks, 36 for spells)Actually, that should be 95 and 35.I just added 3 for each of the two spells I added, not noticing that 10 L1s, 5 L2s and 3 L3s would actually only cost 89 DP instead of the full 90.So 167 remaining.>>36682768There was substantial support for Life earlier. There's a problem with end-of-thread votes in that we can't know how many anons have already left. I'll change it if there's universal support, otherwise, I feel like I'd be doing a disservice to everyone who thought they didn't have to stick around for two hours after the thread ended.>>36682473Somewhat related, can you confirm or deny Life domain giving us the ability to buy Paladin XP?
>>36682728Unless succubutt domain would generate 500DP, I stick with Life.I would be okay with Storm too. But life seems more fitting for Sireyi.Can our Twin buy Domains?
>>36682836She doesn't have an actual divine shard, so I'd assume not. First domain is free anyways, so she'd have one by now if she could.>>36682811>Demonic Regeneration +1 -6 XP>Demonic Might +5 -30 XP>Demonic Speed +5 -30 XP>Demonic Toughness +5 -30 XP>Sanctuary 4 -20 XP>Sanctuary 5 -25 XP>Angels Sight 2 + 3 -25 XP>See the Flow -5 XP>See the Unseen -5 XP>Intense Lightning: Lightning Bolt -8 XP (assuming I read her CS right and she only has Intense Lightning for Lightning Storm)You mean these?
>>36682827Life Domain does not give the ability to buy Paladin XPRegarding Domains and DP: of all domains, Demons (succubi) would give the biggest DP boost at this time, it would be less than 500 though.Twin cannot buy domains, no.
>>36682854Yes, I meant these.Unless we and therefore she, can buy Paladin XP with DP, thats probably what we are going to take until after the timeskip.Still hoping for that dragon pact, btw.
>>36682885Any info on those 250k succubus in our nation that don't worship Sireyi? What do they worhsip?
Will there be a repeat of the building mini-game for our new nation?
>>36682885Hmm, even if less than 500, it's still very, very attractive, and can buy other things. Or save it for Life, which would be easier to obtain then, specially if there is a baby boom.
>>36683070I'd assume so.>>36682885How much would +5 longswords sell for, each?How long would it take to make one of those AE-storing gems that Isla has? How much AE could it store max? How much would it sell for?>>36683119You don't know how much less "less than 500" is, it could be 6, it could be 499, I'm not a big gambler.
>>36683119>and can buy other thingsSuch as?The only thing we could need DP currently for is to anoint priests. And thats not that amazingly useful compared to the perks of Life Domain.
>>36683119Also, mortals are probably suffering a lot in terms of reproduction. If the winter is being harsher and harsher on them, they are probably keeping their pants on, as babies would suffer the most from Killing Frost. Oreia's succubi, however, are in a better position.
>>36683119Diminishing returns.>>36683140All the more reason to take the domain that lets us help them.
>>36683140>they are probably keeping their pants onThats pretty much opposite of what actually happens in reality. Long winters means people spend a lot of time indoors, meaning they have a lot more often sex.Medieval folk aren't big on contraceptives.
>>36683140More likely they fuck more and have more children, they just survive less due to the harsh winter and famine.Although its only three years, so the effect probably isn't that big.
>>36683133>You don't know how much less "less than 500" is, it could be 6, it could be 499, I'm not a big gambler.You put too little faith on Pally. He wouldn't make it a worthless bonus.>>36683135THE FUTURE WILL SHOW.And, well, the Life domain is pretty good too, but most of the problems it will solve will be dealt with once we finish KF off.
>>36683205>He wouldn't make it a worthless bonus.Its not a worthless bonus just because it doesn't give us nearly again as many DP as we have.>but most of the problems it will solve will be dealt with once we finish KF offYou honestly think we won't need life powers when fighting a necromancer king?
>>36683030>What do they worship?They don't, they respect and follow you, but they don't worship you.>>36683070very likely, yes>>36683133>How much would +5 longswords sell for, each?Around 25,000 gold>How long would it take to make one of those AE-storing gems that Isla has?A week per 2 AE>How much AE could it store max?Will mod x5>How much would it sell for?Around 1,000 gold per AE it can store.I can tell you how much DP each Domain will give you, if you want, and you don't mind metagaming.
>>36683303>and you don't mind metagamingI do.Suffices for me to know its not enough to buy a third Domain from it.
>>36683205>You put too little faith on Pally.>Having faith in anything everIt doesn't have to be a worthless bonus to not be worth taking it as our second domain.>most of the problems it will solve will be dealt with once we finish KF off.And then they'll come back when the other two sorrows show up.Aside from that, I think Life is just a better Domain. All Succubus has going for it is the DP bonus, the other powers are all less useful than things Life does and Life also has a pretty sizable DP bonus.>>36683303>Around 25,000 goldThat's a lot.>They don'tSo they're atheists?>you don't mind metagamingI kinda do, and it won't change my opinion.
>>36683375>So they're atheists?They accept gods exist, they just don't follow any very strongly.
>>36683375>when the other two sorrows show upTo be fair, the empathy powers could be useful for one of them.Life is good for the other one though, which was pestilence if I remember right.
>>36683303>I can tell you how much DP each Domain will give you, if you want, and you don't mind metagaming.I don't mind this little metagaming, and I'd like to base my opinion on it.
>>36683435War and Famine/Pestilence, IIRC.Empathy powers might be alright, but I'd prefer the domain that deals with 2/3 when we're already fairly well-built for dealing with warmongers - through violence or diplomacy.
>>36683375We will also be empowering succubi now. Priests and paladins. Their domain makes this cheaper, so it's even more DP gained from them.
>>36683467>for dealing with warmongersIts more its ability to incite strife among the normal people that worries me. People we can't just smack down.
>>36683479DP gained aren't as useful to us as getting abilities unless it would be enough to get a new domain.
>>36683479Stop being so annoying. I'd already thought of that, it's still not worth it.>>36683499Angel's Voice.
>>36683522>Angel's Voice.We can't be everywhere. Thats the problem. Its not one or two big shots that get angry and raise armies that would be the problem. Its strife and violence among normal daily people, starting to tear eachother apart.
>>36683460Additional Deific Power from Domains (based upon current followers), spoilers because meta.Black Dragon: 10 extraStorm: Varies, depending upon how many storms you want running around in your domain. Unless it's all storms all the time, not much more than 100 extra.Demon (succubi): 433 extraLife: 113 extra
>>36683559>We can't be everywhere>Ah yes, you recall that any succubi transformed into an angel was to spend time settling disputes and helping people reconcile differences. A group of succubi you transformed into angels have been spending time learning how to negotiate with people and help them reach an agreement.We don't have to be.
>>36683598>Unless it's all storms all the timeYes please. More free XP.
>>36683598That actually makes the Storm domain more attractive than the Succubus domain for DP.All storms all the time is how I want to live my life.
>>36683612>We don't have to be.They aren't as good at it as we are. And I'm not sure how welcome they will be in the kingdom honestly. Not to mention, even they are only a few hundred at best.Luckily in our domain we don't need to worry about his effect.
>>36683643They might not be as good as we are, but they're still pretty good and getting better. Sireyi is kinda overkill if it's just calming a bunch of civilians down anyway.
>>36683612They are trained to deal with not-supernaturally induced strife though, dunno how good they are agains the supernatural variety right now. Can't have had that much time to spend XP on angelic voice.
>>36679309I just wanted to say this post was highly underrated.
>>36683598In that case I think we should definitely get Demon (succubi) domain.
>>36681753>More deific power from mortalsShould this really be restricted to mortals?I mean, it's not the *Mortal* domain, it's the *Life* domain, it draws power from *Life*.I'd expect a lower gain/applicable worshiper than more specific domains (Succubi, Dragons) but for it to benefit from every living worshiper and inhibit DP gain from undead worshipers.
>>36683822T-thanks, at least someone noticed.
>>36683874I didn't read it, so I disagree on the grounds that I'm not a meta-gaming fuckwit.
>>36683889I wouldn't really consider Velya a "rulership", she is a pretty hands-off goddess.So you think its only worldy authorities she has a problem with? Religious fanatic.>>36683874But you are the only one.
>>36683920Considering that was my first post in this thread. I must beg to differ.
>>36683883I see what you're saying but I would counter with:i) Magical creatures (succubi/dragons) have their own domains to grant extra deific power.ii) Mortals are more numerous.Right now Succubi domain would get the biggest Deific Power boost, but there are 1 million succubi in the Tribal Lands, and 20 million orcs/beastmen, over time Life Domain would grant more deific power than Succubi.
>>36683940In which case you are one of only two people that think thats a good idea.Doesn't really change anything.
>>36683874Storms a best, all storms all the time, live the storm life.
I was thinking of going demon but in light of what pally just said I think i'd have to vote for life
>>36683949>but there are 1 million succubi in the Tribal LandsRuled over by someone with fertility powers, soon, there will be a lot more succubutts.
>>36684000I really like the name Sucubutts
>>36684000Is that a route you want to go down?I mean yes, succubi can easily outbreed any other race on the plane, but others might object to being displaced by the succubi population explosion.
>>36684000There would still be more non-succubutts, because they'll also be ruled over by someone with fertility powers.>>36684014It's from Shadow Quest, I think. Might've been made before then, but it was the first I saw of it.
>>36684029>Is that a route you want to go down?And suddenly I'm as opposed as it is possible to be.The succubi wanting to reproduce will die down after a few generations anyway, according to our sister, so we'd have to abuse their respect for us to get them to reproduce more.And now my brain is going crazy imagining all the horrible things that could bring about.
>>36684029>Is that a route you want to go down?Personally? Yes. Absolutely.Sireyi? Probably not. Dunno.
>>36684050>so we'd have to abuse their respect for us to get them to reproduce moreI have no idea where you get that idea from.They will reproduce hard for a few generations and with fertility powers even harder. Our population will far exceed a milion succubi long before they stop wanting to have kids, I don't get how you can jump from that to breeding camps or some shit.
>>36684031Is it any good? I just like it cause it works on so many levels. 1.It's close to the original spelling2.Butts, Succubi are all about butts3.It's so much easier for me to remember to spell!
>>36684031Its a /mgg/ thing actually. Didn't know it showed up in a quest.
>>36683920He isn't.With the succubi domain, we actually get enough DP to buy another domain.We are saving...166 DP, no? Succubus will give 433 DP, we can easily buy Life domain.
>>36684050pretty much what this guy said>>36684080I think you jumped far ahead beyond what everyone was thinking. Which was "hey you succubutts, have all the kids for the next ~10 years."
>>36684116really? Oh shit mang, I'd totally change my tune if that's the case!
>>36684114Monster Girl General. Used to be the monster girls thread on /a/ until it was shut down.I think it migrated to /jp/, but no way I go over there and look.>>36684116No we can't, because life domain would cost 500DP
>>36684094I enjoyed Shadow Quest.>>36684080Maybe, I still can't get that idea out of my head.Doesn't matter, 20 million with fertility powers will outbreed 3 million after the succubus urge to reproduce dies down eventually.>>36684116Spoiler that shit, now I have to vote against it because otherwise it's meta-gaming.
>>36684116Oh well shit. Thats a no brainer then.
>>36683976>>36683635The problem is a fuck huge storm raging ALL THE TIME will be terrible for the country and the mood of people.It's like a permanent natural disaster.
>>36684138Did you look at the spoilers?
>>36684116Life Domain would cost 500DP. We would have to basically expend all DP we have to get it, and then we have none left for fighting the LoL.Also, the discussion is pretty much over about that. The question was popped some 4 hours or so ago, its not gonna change anymore.
>>36684140> now I have to vote against it because otherwise it's meta-gaming.>mfw
>>36684162Doesn't have anything to do with spoilers, Pally said we won't get 500DP from succu domain, which means we don't get enough to buy a third one, because that would cost 500.
>>36684168hey, this is a nice quest and there is no need to be rude to the other players.
>>36684138>No we can't, because life domain would cost 500DPWe get 433 DP with the succubus domain. With the current reserve we are saving, we have 599 DP.>>36684140>Spoiler that shit, now I have to vote against it because otherwise it's meta-gaming.Right, forgot about spoilers.Crunch metagaming isn't even that bad. it's not like I'm revealing the plot and events planned for the future.
>>36684138>>36684163167 + 433 is greater than 500, 100 remaining post-purchase, add 133 from Life domain, we have a net gain of 66 DP and get both domains.I didn't say anything previously because I wanted to see if you guys could figure it out for yourselves.Spoilered because meta a shit, especially if unspoilered.
>>36684163>expend all DP we have to get itNo, we don't.
>>36684204 I think you missed the point, yes we could buy both, but then we only have 66DP to deal with whatever comes up after the timeskip. And we have no idea how much we might need.
>>36684204that sounds good to me, AA!
>>36684204AA you a best!
>>36684204 The main issue is how hard it would make geting Storm afterwards, which is more useful than succu domain, the raw DP aren't that valuable
>>36684242hmmmm, i didn't think about that.
>>36684219 No, we end up having 233 instead of 167, so the gain in DP is still greater, but we won't be able to afford Storm ever then, because of the heightened cost.
>>36684204Unrelated question but could we delve deeper into that magic martial art thing that the cubes can teach?
>>36683598Purchasing of domains results in no alteration to Sireyi's personal doctrine, behavior or anything like that, and the forms granted by the domains do not alter her mental state in any way, shape or form.Confirm or deny.>>36684219>Only have 66 DPWe'd have 100, and that's not counting the further 133 we'd receive from the Life domain.367 - 200 for Succubus domain = 167 + 433 from DP gains = 600 - 500 for Life = 100 + 133 from gains.>>36684242Actually, it won't.We'll have a slightly lower percentage of what's required for Storms, but almost doubled DP regeneration. Between that and the increased benefits from Succubus children and the increased reproductive rates due to fertility powers, it might actually take *less* time for us to achieve the Storm domain than otherwise.Also, it should be 200, 400, 900, 1600, etc, not 200, 500, 1000.>>36684302Maybe, try researching it next year.
>>36684242Life might not be as good against the LoL, if its title isn't just for show. Yeah, necromancy and all, but it's just one side of the coin.Storm is rather bland, and only combat oriented, with the exception of controlling the weather.
>>36684319Why would them change Sireyi? Did her first domain change her, at all?Also, Pally is probably gone now.
>>36684348He just posted twenty minutes ago and it's more a paranoia thing than something I'm seriously worried about.
>>36684320Life is already good against the LoL life powers is how we fend off the Killing Frost.And its title not being for show is exactly why Life domain is good, to counter his control.And Storm is as of now the least bland Domain power we can get, elementals, weather control and stronger storm powers.While succubus gets us, pretty much nothing we don't already have, except life-draining powers.>>36684319Storm would require 1000DP. Even if we don't spend any DP afterwards anymore, it would still take at least 6-7 years.Not sure if the fight against the LoL will even go for that long.
>>36684319Succubutt Domain confirmed for best crunch
>>36683949Might this anon plead for a redemption domain to be considered?
>>36684469that sounds pretty cool!
>>36684396>(number of existing domains you have, squared, then multiplied by 100)Based off of this, it should be 200 (1*1*100), 400 (2*2*100), 900 (3*3*100), 1600 (4*4*100).Succubi reproduce quickly, faster than humans, they want to reproduce as fast as possible, we have powers that let them reproduce with more multiple children pregnancies/chance of pregnancy due to Life domain, each succubus child will give us a bit of a boost to DP due to the Succubus domain.In addition, we'll be expanding and conquering various tribes, and our sister will also be expanding her tribes, so we'll be gaining further DP and greater amounts of it than otherwise due to our possession of both domains.Storm is my absolute favorite domain, I wouldn't argue in favor of this strategy if I didn't think we'd be able to get it and put it to good use.>>36684469That's kinda part of our angelic domain, with the power I made last time.
>>36684396It comes down to how much more DP per year we get. And how much we want to invest in DP to make priests and paladin succubutts.The Domain powers are basically worthless, so the only benefit would be heightened ability to improve our realm and followers.Not doing the succu+life exploit would mean getting Storm faster, but we will pretty much definitly won't get a fourth Domain then, while with succu it might actually happen at some point, but until then we lack the weather control.
>>36684494>400 (2*2*100), 900 (3*3*100),>100 Deific Power plus (number of existing domains you have, squared, then multiplied by 100) Deific PowerYou forgot to add the 100 base.
>>36684396That's still rather bland. Hitting harder is nothing new, we could already control the weather to some extend (just not for free), only thing new is summoning elementals, which can also probably be done with an arcane spell. Not to mention Sireyi still won't gain a new form to transform into.Sireyi can't read minds yet, and her empathy is based purely on her Fellowship score. Life draining is new, yes, as is a new whole demonic form; this alone will be a huge boost when dealing with demons.Not to mention the bonus to DP production and efficiency. We will probably make lots of priestess and paladins, considering how eager the succubi are to serve her, thus saving us precious DP.
>>36684516I have no idea how I missed that but somehow still wound up getting 1*1*100 to equal 200.Still, my other points remain valid in spite of my sudden inability to do basic mathematics.>>36684532>Not to mention Sireyi still won't gain a new form to transform into.Pfft.>We will probably make lots of priestess and paladinsDepends on how much the discount is.
>>36684532>his alone will be a huge boost when dealing with demonsNo it won't, we have no reason to want to assume a demonic form ever.And Sireyi already has two forms to transform into. You happen to like succu more, that doesn't make it less bland than storm.Storm powers are more useful in every way possible, the weather control alone is HUGE.Mind-reading we can already do with magic, empathy we have our angelic abilities, so yes, life-drain is the only new thing.
>>36684555If you decide to put the succu+life exploit into the character purchase, I'm not going to argue with you about it.I can't say it would be unreasonable for Sireyi to acquire the succubus domain now, so Life+Succu aren't purely meta, even if the motivation is.
>>36684494>That's kinda part of our angelic domain, with the power I made last time.I'm more interested in getting DP for everyone trying to be a better person in our name, this should give us both the Succubus on our land and any orcs/beastmen who try to better themselves to get in.
>>36684692That's seems way too broken.
>>36684532>Life draining is new, yes, as is a new whole demonic form; this alone will be a huge boost when dealing with demons.Actually, this would probably be the opposite. Most demons treat Succubi like garbage.Life draining requires a level of intimate contact Sireyi isn't comfortable with (I think kissing was the minimal), and I'm not sure if she'd be willing to use the ability in the first place. 99% chance that it's weaker than Lightning abilities. Health regain is moot once we get Healing 4.>>36684583>Mind-reading we can already do with magicI believe this is more subtle than using magic, so it can be used in conversations to learn the motivation of whoever you're talking to.>empathy we have our angelic abilitiesKinda, we can't read emotions with those, but we can manipulate them.>>36684640I'm sorry for being a meta-gaming fuckwit, anon.If it's any consolation, there is an expansion for Angelic Form in the works that increases our storm abilities, as well as an expansion for Eye of the Storm.>>36684728It actually seems like the exact opposite to me. It wouldn't give as much per person as one of the other domains, it wouldn't give any good powers (none I can think of), it wouldn't be in the unique position of Succubi where it's used in an exploit, etc.
>>36684728We just took out a fay court in the seat of their power. We are broken. And the Life+Succu path only works for us because of the path we took.
>>36684728Thank you kind anon, I try my best.Ofcorse if we could cheese an aspiration domain and get DP when anyone works towards a goal in our name our army would gain us DP as they fight the LoLs and Pally would retcon it out of existence to save the game.And that would be bad.
>>36684787I'm kinda mad at Sofia disbanding the court.
>>36684881I'm mad we didn't invite Demi to come live with us after the court disbanded.
>>36684903Thats the only part that bothered me too, I saw no reason for not even getting a chance to convince her. Or settle our own fae court.
>>36684881>>36684903We could offer to take the Fay domain and take them all in if you like.
>>36684903I'm upset we're never going to help bokin. I also wanted to interact with Grax more.
>>36684953>I'm upset we're never going to help bokin.Don't lose hope, keep gripping that dream anon.Honestly I see no reason why we can't "ever" do it.
>>36684967Only problem I see with it is people don't want to do. which is fine, not everyone is going to want to do things that I want to do AND THEY NEED TO BE FOUND, ROUNDED UP, AND BURNED!
>>36684942I'm feeling guilty about this exploit and taking the Succubus domain now.Most people actually want me to do the Succubus + Life exploit and I'm not just horribly misreading everyone, right?
>>36684953>>36684967>>36685009Maybe Pally will hand wave it as done in the down time as a throw away line.
>>36685040I don't even care anymore. Just do it.
>>36685040I definitely do. It seems like the best route to go.
>>36685097Why did I know you would endorse this?Damn you Mathrian.>>36685040For the record, I'm totally against it. Just to spite him, but I trust on you to make the right decision.
>>36685040I'm not pro scut but it's late and most of the thread's left so we may never know.
>>36685119Hahahaha. Thanks for the laugh anon, I needed that today.
>>36685076>I don't even care anymore.That makes me feel pretty bad.Do you not care because you're tired of arguing about it or for something I did?>>36685151I know, that's my main fear. I don't want to make a call that the majority find disagreeable post-hiatus.If you're reading this in the archives or you come back tomorrow and see what was posted in the thread, please post on archive.moe about your thoughts.
>>36685040>>36685040I'm fine with it. That way everyone gets a domain they want. With getting those two it lowers the time it'll take to get storm domain
>>36685040AA, stop being autist.The exploit is perfectly fine, stop worrying about it. It will be of great help IC and DP-wise. It makes sense to be taken, both IC and OOC.
>>36685223>That makes me feel pretty bad.That was not my intention, was nothing against you.But we are arguing in circles here, its just a matter of taste at this point, and I'm not int he habit of debating that.So I don't care. I can live with not doing the optimal thing, but I wouldn't be mad at doing the Life+Succubus thing either, its not like it would be OOC or anything. It makes perfect IC sense for her to do it.And the argument about the Storm domain, we can't know how fast we will get it, or how useful it will be, so there isn't much of a argument to be made there.
>>36685223It might be best to accept that this needs to be put off until we have more people, if we do that it might be worth looking at the redemption/aspiration thing as it fits with what Shelly is trying to be but needs something it can give us.
>>36685362>redemption/aspiration thingI veto this on account of it being overspecialised bullshit.
>>36685056That's what I pray to Sireyi and Veyla for.
>>36685373>overspecialisedHow is redemption overspecialised but not Succubus? I archly suggested it because I felt Succubus was to narrow and not what we were about. I admit I played up the DP gain when I posted it but that was the way the debate was going at the time.
>>36685509Because one is representing a entire race and its characteristics, and the other is a singular activity.
>>36685288>AA, stop being autist.But then I'd die.>>36685295I see your point, sorry for taking your comment about not caring the wrong way.>>36685362I can't really put it off for three months.