Dear /tg/,this is a bit of a weird question... if you're not a corporate agent, or some kind of mecenary, what's it like being a normal citizen doing normal citizen things in a "cyberpunk" (80s matrix/etc style) world?Are there traffic lights? normal road safety laws? clothing shops?
It's alright.Okay, it's not really alright, but you can pretend as long as you have cheap alcohol and cheap internet.
>>36623693A lot of it isn't all that different, so long as you live in the unspecified boundaries of the corps.There's a lot more security cameras, ads are personalised to the shit you were viewing in private browsing and you can't afford the really nice stuff, just the basic plastic models.But mostly pretty normal. Hmm... Cyberpunk slice of life, could this be a thing?
Listen to synthpop.Play VR games, watch VR movies, have VR sex.Go to overhyped corporate events that feel more like religious ceremonies.Have a shitty futuristic job.Walk through the respectable part of the metropolis under ever vigilant eyes.Eat a lot of Asian food.Get glimpses of creepy girls in bear suits, and other glitches in the matrix.Cry about the vacuity of modern life.Get brutally murdered in a police intervention gone wrong and have your parents be paid just enough to drop charges.>>36623878>Cyberpunk slice of life, could this be a thing?Not enough of it.You could even have mutants and cyborgs instead of monstergirls if that's your thing.
You wake up early. Work might not start until 0830, but getting from your apartment to work means getting up at 0640 at the latest. At the platform for the train you don't make eye contact with anyone, hand in your pocket on the cheap but civilian legal taser and hope nobody decides to fuck with you today. At work you remind yourself that you are all doing this so you can spend tonight with your daughter and throw yourself into work. Slowly rebuilding a database from the backups the covert operations team didn't quite manage to trash. Your boss is by three times asking when you will be done and lunch is a bland, dry SoyFood bar at your desk. You clock out at a corp-mandated 1700 and leave at 2000 when the work for the day is done and because you need to pick up your daughter. The man's waiting for you on the platform, selling cheap packs of hot noodles that you don't even like, but buying it takes care of dinner and he sells you what you really came for with a discreet twist of his hand, the illegal memory chip in your palm as you hurry home, take a 'shower' with a few disposable clean-wipes, then at last slot that chip. Your daughter's waiting for you in the memory. Maybe it's fake, but it's what you have been living for all day. The time talking about her day flies by and before you know it it's 0145 and she's gently kissing your cheek and telling you that you've got to get to bed, daddy.
>>36623969>Work might not start until 0830, but getting from your apartment to work means getting up at 0640 at the latest.>At the platform for the train you don't make eye contact with anyoneWell, not really cyberpunk yet.
>>36623693Like a lot of things, it depends on where you are and who you are.Some people's slices of life are going to look like shit, constant gang life and warfare in the streets just to do shit like walk to the food line, survive long enough to get your shitty corpse starch rations, do it again tomorrow.Some places it looks eerily like today, but with reminders that it's not quite the same all over the place. Things are close. Your neighbor lost an arm back in 'nam, but he has a bitchin' replacement. Everyone knows a kid who lost his mind to a VR sim rather than suicide. The details are different, but you still get up, go to school, go to work, try to make a decent wage somewhere, hope nothing crazy happens on your ways back and forth.Some places it's THE FUTURE, and that's awesome! Hope you never lose your job or have unexpected medical expenses or else you can't afford the 2000 dollars a week in expenses for all that super-tech, internet, keeping-up-with-the-cyber-joneses.
There are more cameras everywhere, but all is pretty transparent so you won't notice them. All that surveillance is in your interest, however - not only are we watching you for your own protection, it will help us advertise the product you need directly to you!Everything is online and everything is recording you. Your car will store data where you went to dinner and then secretly share it with some corps so that you're advertised where to eat next. What you ate was recorded as well, so you'll get personalized messages and ads based on what you ordered. Your smartphone, Facebook or whatever it is in the future will then show you ads based on that prerecorded data. Just like today.Everything is done for convenience's sake. You will be implanted with a minor chip, but that chip will store all your personal data, your medical records, your credit card, and serve as a tracking device should something happen to you. Yes, it will give those looking into the chips a lot of data about you, but hey, at least you don't have to bother lugging all those papers.And remember, everything that's done on you - you accepted it. The conditions were laid bare, but you couldn't be bothered to read them so you just clicked "I Agree" to everything.
>>36623693I figured it was bland and monotonous. Every day you wake up in your closet-sized filthy "apartment" (30% chance of waking up with a mostly-naked lady, 10% chance she stole your wallet), eat your caffeinated nutrient-sludge, check the news on your big green computer monitor, walk alone past a lot of big grim buildings, heavily-armored police, and dull-flashy lights, breathe the smog-filled air, rant for several paragraphs about how the city's gone to hell, do soul-crushing office work for 8 or more hours, visit a strip club, go home, hope you don't get mugged by the police and/or gangs, casually brush off your landlord's threats regarding your overdue rent, sleep, repeat.
Depends on who you are. Cyberpunk stories tend to focus on the disenfranchised. If you're a law abiding middle class citizen, it's probably pretty nice. A lot like now, but with better gadgets and health care that can fix almost anything.
How much "the network records everything you do" is classic cyberpunk and how much is modern reinventions to account for us already living like this today? I don't recall Neuromancer had global databases or customized apps.
>>36624106Am I the only one who wouldn't be bothered by this?
>>36624265nothat's the problem
>AI took my job>sold my arm to one of those fancy cannibalism restaurants for a few hundred creds>lost half the money down betting on the wrong abomination at the biomod racetrack>plugged into the latest episode of "young, enhanced and drunk" while soaking in the scrubvat
>>36624265 that's the joke/point. Everyone is bothered but it's not cyberpunk dystopia unless people aren't because reasons.>>36624184Network recording everything is a staple from the earliest Cyberpunk, but it was a detail, something left over from similar worlds like 1984 and similar dystopia. Even Neuromancer had large wide-scale surveillance. However, it's more than a little ramped up now that we've been able to actually see what the effects and how easy it is to actually do. To be perfectly honest, we literally live in the cyberpunk universe imagined by most classic cyberpunk. It just turned out to be harder to consolidate people, and easier to keep things looking not-shitty in most places.
>>36624265That's the point. Convenience trumps everything, even at the cost of giving away some of your freedom.Especially if your everyday life is a boring hell from which there is no escape. Your entire life is an never-ending cycle of waking up, going to work, being the boss' bitch, going home, falling asleep, and waking up again.Every little thing that makes your life easier would be gladly accepted. So what if you gave away where you went to dinner last night and with whom? Your friends (true, you never met them, but they're your online friends) Tim and Monica recommended the place, and it was great.And speaking of Tim and Monica? They're bots. You don't have any friends, only fake accounts created to push product placement.
>>36624341>AI took my jobOut of cyberpunk, into singularity.
>>36624184Hypersurveillance has been a staple of dystopia for a long time.Real life has just less efforts and more subtletly put into it, because as it turns out you're not a dangerous street samurai so the system only needs to know what you do if it's to send you customized ads.
>>36623754So pretty much the same as real life.
Another thing, food. There are predictions that there will be a huge protein shortage in the future, so scientists are looking into ways of alleviating that. Their solution? Bugs.So it's possible that besides the bland soy products, your cyberpunk characters will eat bugs and bug-based products. Of course, not marketed as such, but they'll be presented as something else that sounds appealing to the masses.
>>36623969god damn it - now i'm depressed.great work anon
>>36624586>not enjoying crunchtastic captain cockroach snacksyou sound like some sort of out-of-town hick
>>36624586Protein is pretty easy to get. Less meat, more beans is more the way of the future then bug chow. Krill also offers an option.
>>36623914Was actually working on something vaguely Slice of Life in the Matrix universe.The basic idea being that the chick from Beyond WAS a potential redpill who got shut down... and then, shortly afterwards, Neo did his thing and the Machines went 'alright, guys, realtalk. You're all living in a simulation.'Focusing on the idea that she was someone who had a chance to be special, but now the Messiah's come and gone, and what do you do with that knowledge? Is it worth waking up from the dream when truth has already been fought for and won? If the dream is better, why go back to the real world if they don't need you?
>>36624586I fail to see the problem. Factory-farm mealworms ground into powder are just anonymous proteins.
>>36623969this is literally my commute to work tho anon
>>36624678The Matrix could make a good setting if you ignored the sequels and just want with Neo slowly getting humanity to awaken.
>>36624679I think it's more like fly larvae at this point. They feed off anything and clean up nice.
>>36624716Eh, the sequels work, in their wayThere's a lot of design space in the post-Christ Metaphor world. After all, if you believe the hype, Jesus died for our sins, and look how far we've come. The difference of course being that we have little evidence of the metaphysical shit, while the Matrix universe has more or less incontrovertible proof of what Neo accomplished by his sacrifice.
>>36624721Sure.The point is, nobody's suggesting that we stuff your sandwich with live cockroaches. Not only would that be hard to market, it wouldn't be profitable.
>>36623693>what's it like being a normal citizen doing normal citizen things in a "cyberpunk" (80s matrix/etc style) world?Well, we're all going to have slightly different definitions and envisions of what Cyberpunk life will be like, but generally I think the "Cyberpunk world" is defined by "High Technology, Low Culture."A Cyberpunk world is created when exceedingly advanced developments in technology get out of control in terms of the people's attitudes, moralities, and they aren't allowed to catch up, so you're left with a population who can't quite appreciate the power they have at their finger tips.You're almost guaranteed to be working some kind of menial, meaningless, petty job because Robots and the level of extremely advanced automation make most if not all jobs pointless when a Robot can do it better, faster, and forever. People are forced if not directly encouraged to get a job- even though there are enough resources for anyone to be a welfare queen- because the legislation AND the people still think in terms of "if you don't work, you don't eat" or "there are no free rides"- despite rampant advanced technology.The Distractions though are top knotch, 100% affordable even on minimum wage, and encourage people to stay off the streets, be apathetic, and keep their nose clean: Believable Virtual reality, Personal Robot companions, OVERTLY attractive sex robot bimbos that make you find sex with "real" people disgusting. All of this combined with delicious, nutritious, high fat, high salt, high carbohydrate, artificial food, that is mass produced and can be bought at the local convenience store. Crime would also be pretty fucking high.. not, like, sexual or even stealing- but just VIOLENT and WEIRD crimes just because some people want to be fucking acknowledged or FEEL something.
>>36624265so you want to know with which finger I pick my nose?>finewhich hand I wipe with?>yes okwhen I buy bomb making equipment and a gun>of course, so we can decide whether to let you do it
>>36624712You need to get a better way to work.
>>36624755>Agents from Cockorunch break down my door>start arresting my family for illegal cockroach farming>try to convince the agents that they're only wild cockroaches >agent runs a DNA profile on one of them>DNA mismatch with Cockorunch licensing database>family is unarrested>agents leave, my house is in ruins>quickly check on my farm of infringing sherbet moths
>>36624643Oh definitely. What I was trying to say, your cyberpunk everyday life involves eating stuff that was heavily processed before. Even more so than today.You won't have "insect wings for extra crunchiness" but instead "extra protein inside!" written everywhere.
>>36624586So? I don't care. The West is basically the only culture on the planet that doesn't eat land-based insects.
>>36624379>not fucking your awkward lady boss because your balls are not glorious
>>36624716The films work much better when they're viewed as one work.
>>36624586this is like hundreds to thousands of years into the future.... rats, crows, and insects, have your pick
>>36624891I don't understand Anon, they never made any sequels to the Matrix. Probably for the best, with the way the Tartokovsky's fell apart, it probably would've been filled with even more religious allegory bullshit, Neo doing magic in the real world, or other silly nonsense.Still a shame they absolutely never made a second or third movie.
>>36624642Is that what they call Taco Bell in the future?
>>36623693https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoQOQHQ8oAAt least there's free coffee.
>>36624963You know people talk about ASIAN KULTURE AND FOOD as part of the cyberpunk future, mexican is more likely. Especially since Mexicans will eat fucking anything.Noodle stands? Tacoria's are more likely.
>>36624805There would also be a humongous general public attitude of longing for "romantic adventure" since Space colonization would be finally kicking in simply due to necessity: Infinite Resources, Infinite Space, to solve the resource problems on earth... Because ironically enough Earth wouldn't have a population problem- because lord knows no one is having kids or god forbid actually fucking one another- but they have a population DENSITY problem and an incredible thirst for comparatively rare resources to feed their standard of living. So, you'd have people giving up everything so they can be accepted onto some of the most dangerous work around: SPACE WORK. But, it pays well and if you really commit to it you're guaranteed citizenship on an off world planet- even if it's just as unskilled labor, that's worlds better than you'd have on Earth. Expect en masse amounts of Men specifically leaving earth to go start new lives on Mars, The moons of Jupiter, or Venus. What about the Environment? Ironically enough it would be going relatively strong in the form of Urban Wildlife and Flora and nature would never be too far from even the most industrialized areas simply because nature isn't some chicken shit panzy who lies down and accepts defeat. You'd have grasses, trees, shrubs, etc.. sprouting up in any abandoned area or derelict building and with the flora comes the fauna: Raccoons, Rats, Cats, Dogs, Sparrows, Pigeons, Chickens, Pigs, Lizards, Snakes, Catfish, Carp, Beetles, Flies, Roaches, etc.. etc.. All sorts of neat shit just making ends meat in the cracks and spaces between urban sprawl.
>>36624868I think it was originally meant to solve possible food shortages in India. Not sure, it's been a while since I read that thing.And it was supposed to show how you will eat processed food without knowing what it is, as long as the package said it's healthy and good for you.
>>36624805>stay off the streets, be apathetic, and keep their nose clean: Believable Virtual reality, Personal Robot companions, OVERTLY attractive sex robot bimbos that make you find sex with "real" people disgustingSo the average Anon is the ideal cyberpunk citizen, minus his below average productivity?
>>36624968>These telephones no longer work. There is no-one to call.masterpiece
>>36625041again, ideal citizen now
>>36624968is this for real?
>>36625040But it IS healthy and good for you. If you nevertheless refuse to eat it because insects are involved, the problem's in your head, I'm afraid.
>>36624968why is snow so delicious in america?
>>36625133I know, but the average Joe doesn't, and he won't be caught dead eating bugs when he can eat a processed chihuahua instead.
>>36625179We put high fructose corn syrup in it.
There's not much of a normal life in Cyberpunk, going off of Cyberpunk 2020. Violence throughout the City is rampant, 75% of all deaths are homicide related, and it's recommended you don't walk outside without something ATLEAST the strength of a kevlar vest. Aside from that, it's mostly corporate jobs being done, Techies and Netrunners developing stuff, Solos and Cops working Security, etc. For leisure, there's Braindance, the Net, TV, Clubs, etc. Though with a lot of the population being gang-affiliated or homeless, the mundane life for them would be murder, drug use, survival. Boostergang stuff, essentially. For people living in Corporate Suburbs, Beavervilles, it's like a perfect 1950s family, content, safe, isolated from the shitty, horrid world that surrounds them.
>>36625289so Chicago in 1990
>>36625289>75% of all deaths are homicide relatedThat's just hilariously irrealistic.
>>36625179meth, we put meth in it
>>36623693THE ULTIMATE SETTING:ModernpunkIt's almost indistinguishable from reality, except you dress like a twat, and you're not even sure what you're rebelling about.More specifically you are rebelling against "the mainstream" by dressing according a dress code laid down by that mainstream.These mindless drones are the front ablative line of defense of the status quo against true rebellion, as these people will argue with and slow real rebellion calling it "fake" and "not true rebellion."Truly The Grimmest and Darkest setting imaginable.
>>36625334no that means there are just really good fucking lawyers in cyberpunk2020>die from cigarrette smoke>capital murder charge class action suit
>>36625289>75% of all deaths are homicide relatedWhat is this, Paranoia? Population's supposed to be reasonably self-sustaining despite lower fertility, so I don't know where you're coming up with this stuff.
>>36625361>except you dress like a twatagain, anon, now
>>36625361>These mindless dronesdelivering you books you will never read, but talk about incessantly, which are written by chatbots
>>36625361If I wanted to play oWoD Mage, I'd be doing that already.
>>36625351She appears at least to get healthier. I can not for the life of me, believe the 2006 edition. What the fuckin' hell gawd
>>36625515Good teeth too.
>>36625320More or less>>36625334>>36625423Okay, I think I actually got that wrong, doing a quick look in the Police Sourcebook for CP2020, it's "As of 2020, Homicide is the leading cause of death in 75% of those 30 years old and under." This can be credited mostly to the fact that homicide in 2020 is almost a socially acceptable thing to do. Boostergangs are more or less gangs of cyberpsychos that only get their kicks from murder and torture, and there's a lot of them. There's corporate murder, where it's not unusual for an Arasaka security team to use the homeless as target practice. All that kind of stuff.I'll post the picture of the crime statistics in a second, but there's the thing that mentions homicide being so high.>>36625409Actually, sort of, yeah. Most lawyers were killed in Cyberpunk 2020 due to the "Lawyer Purge of 1997," where irate citizens lynched thousands of lawyers.Now being a lawyer in 2020 means you're one hardcore motherfucker
>>36625442somthing like this
>>36625546>"As of 2020, Homicide is the leading cause of death in 75% of those 30 years old and under."Oh. Yeah, that's reasonable, although not as meaningful as it looks (just like for us suicide is the leading cause, despite being quite rare.)
>>36625546And here's the crime chart.
>>36625546>leading cause of death in 75% of those 30 years old and underThat sounds more plausible -- hardly anyone dies of natural causes at a young age thanks to medical science in this brave new world, so violent causes due to the crime rate are the most likely COD for young people.
>>36625546>"We have a problem"top kekking, whatever the fuck that means
>>36625546I now want to play a hardass lawyer in a cyberpunk world, trying to defend the last bastions of law that aren't just more corporate tort bullshit and make people accountable for their actions. A two-fisted motherfucker who works in the shadows between cases because cases against the corps are pro-bono by definition and a man's gotta eat.
>>36625546Hardcore as in 'really good at law' or hardcore as in 'can kill you with his bare hands'?
Spend 12 hours a day working in a megacorporationGo home and wind down for a few hours playing VR games and ordering foodSleep 4 hours, in the morning take shitloads of synth-coffee to stay awakeRepeat
>>36625515she was replaced by a fishpersonthe later versions is the fishperson adjusting its physical form to fit in better
>>36625546>gunslingin' DA incomingsomeone, please invite me to your CB2020 game>of course I live in DC
>>36625557>posts picture of himself>masturbates to it
>>36625626That sounds great.>>36625630Both. Most lawyers either double as solos, or have a team of solos follow them EVERYWHERE>>36625658Actually, the CP2020 game I'm running is over skype. I've actually had someone play a paralegal who carried around a massive magnum and went into combat situations to give people legal advice before. it was great.
>>36625630He wants to be both, obviously.
>>36625658My melanin-enriched brother.We can lawyer it up together. The last men who give a fuck in a heartless world, desperate to cling to a system that teaches us that every man must answer for his deeds.
>>36625630I would imagine the future of law will boil down to some sort of fucking wierd ass mind meld.> Lawyers jack inYears of memories are transferred to the judges sandboxes cerebal cortext module. They have over 20-500 hours of actual conversation in a split second, while gazing into each others distracted and deadened eyes.>Judge unjacksGuilty.>Always fucking guilty
>>36625703>>36625546CP2020 DM from the drawthread, please hit me up at 40kconcept@outlook
>>36625752Or a judgement AI. The perfect impartial judge, jury and executioner.It's faulty.
>>36625742No, wait, we can take this further.A cyberpunk game entirely about a fucked up law firm trying to hold up under the crushing weight of megacorps so big that they own the law.But what's our [Person] & [Person] name? That shit is vital.
>>36625791Goldstein & Leibowitz
>>36625681not knowing where this stuff is from
>>36625791>not a clever anon, just a drawfagBut Jewish-asian seems to be the way to go
>>36625863...I'm bizarrely okay with this.I would also accept Rosencrantz and Guildenstern because hey, can't fuck with the classics
>>36625791Bernstein & Sonozaki
>>36625868wolftrap? renaissance festival?
>>36625926yeah but you watched pyscho-pass. I was so fucking disapoint
>>36625932People from Helsinki wearing weird stuffhttp://www.hel-looks.com/basically ammo against eurotrolls
>>36625868>his flies are undoneso /fa/
>>36625964sorry wrong link>Bernstein, Shapiro, & Sonozaki
>>36625785If you're looking to get in the game, I'm sorry, it's already full with 5 (6 is our netrunner ever comes back) people. But... If you can get together enough people, I suppose I'd be willing to run a game.>>36625789Actually, in Cp2020, there are Judge AIs. That can be hacked by Netrunners. It's not easy, but with a good 'runner, you could turn the tides on a lot of cases.
>>36625964I did what now?
>>36625863>>36625926>>36626015and now we know what lawfirms you work for>back to the gun toting partOK, so under what circumstances does an attorney have the right to pull his sidearm? Judge malfunction? Bailiff delay? "That _was_ my fucking coffee you retard"
>>36625995Goofy or not, I do want to live in a place where this is a thing some people do.
>discovering the armed lawyer for the first timeDoes no-one read Colfer here or what?
>>36626111I've done armed reporter a couple of times, to be fair.And... is that the Artemis Fowl guy?
>>36626054No guns allowed in the courtroom.Unarmed combat is fine.
>>36626129>eoin colferYeah it is.Expect ham-fisted environmental messages.
>>36626111I knew Holden would slightly change his last name and become a lawyer. Fuckin' called that shit
>>36624106>"You don't have an OMNI-chip? Well, then how do you intend to pay?"Come on, it's basically impossible to live a civilized life without a chip.
>>36626111Yeah, it was pretty coolStill waiting for the sequel.
>>36625791OK, an average day at this firm would involve first saying good morning to Bernstein's heavily cyborged daughter, who because of a dehabilitating cyber-drug habit, has left her in a condition of continual fugue state (yes you can hear the dubstep coming from her 70612220 port). As you pass the water cooler you instinctively grip your sidearm but dont know why.As you arrive at your desk, "Boy-George", the new assistant gives you a run-down of last night's programmes, before letting you know that your sock game is strong, as you recline and cross your legs.
>>36625703What's a 'solo'?
>>36626129Yup.It's a children's book, but cyberpunk all the same. Corps have private armies, but for muddy legal reasons, they're all officially lawyers.
>>36623693It's pretty close to today, just with a small touch here and there that feels high tech. I was thinking about this the other day actually, and realized that somewhere along the line we made the jump to cyberpunk. We have computers in our pockets, massive debts, and corporations controlling the population. As soon as the Oculus comes out, we'll have decent VR, and only a year from then we'll likely have several "worlds" to wander around in. Already car hackings are a major problem (I just saw an article on slashdot about how it's responsible for 1/3 car thefts in the UK), and we're so saturated with media and instant gratification that there's not much impetus to really move forward beyond wageslave levels. I mean, we all know 90% of our jobs can and are being replaced by robots, but we work two part time jobs to cover rent, drugs of choice, and internet connection, spending our days in escapism via Netflix marathons, 4chan, and on this board TTRPGs.Shit's depressing yo.
>>36626397A private contractor, sort of like muscle for hire.
>rented the cybervid of American Agent last night>great films>the axe murder scene is so realistic>Talk about art imitating life, the bosses had me do the same thing to one of the competitors last week
>>36626397Solos are hired assassins, bodyguards, killers, and soldiers. Essentially the elite fighting machines of the cyberpunk world, who are almost always cybered up to near Cyberpsychosis to stay ahead of the competition.
>>36626485They're not always private contractors. A lot of Corporate security and black-ops teams are Solos. So are most people involved in the military. Mostly anyone who is badass, and can handle themselves better than anyone else in a fight is a Solo
>>36626389Your phone rings, but Berstein-Chan already cannot remember who is calling, and asks if you want more cheddar with your soup.You pick up the phone, expecting your slightly arousing clerk to be notifying you that the expert witness testimony will be available for review at 1400 hours, but instead its Sonozaki, or what is left of him.He speaks to you, your translate module starts buzzing.... you start to stare at your sock, as Sonozaki's voice begins to slightly pulse massive streams of data. You lurck forward as he enters your memory sandbox, and your nose begins to bleed..
>>36625015I like that nature idea. Super fast ivy, ferns, vines, mosses, and lichens overtaking any out door space that goes unused for longer than a couple days.
>>36626485>>36626506Oh, thank you.
>>36626434>spending our days in escapism via Netflix marathons, 4chanspending our days in escapism via Netflix marathons, 4chan>escape, 4chan>4chanAnon, I am not escaping. I am mindfucking you while splitting my personality in 10 different shades. It is exactly what I want to do.
>>36624106>And remember, everything that's done on you - you accepted it. The conditions were laid bare, but you couldn't be bothered to read them so you just clicked "I Agree" to everything.Or you literally don't have a choice that has better conditions. You have to agree to at least one before you can 'buy' anything (you'll actually just be 'using' it, not renting or owning it, whether it's a car, an apartment, a phone) or you'll be taking your chances on the black market (using an illegal no-contract phone? that's a spot fine). You're choosing convenience, in a sense, but it's a choice between buying the legal scams available, and going black market, and all the headaches associated with that.
>>36624140Replace half of the soul-crushing office work with desperately running out of savings while on welfare while searching for a job.
>>36624805>not, like, sexual or even stealing- but just VIOLENT and WEIRD crimes just because some people want to be fucking acknowledged or FEEL something.Florida crime. Look up "Florida man", it gives you a good idea of the stuff the unbalanced, drugged up suburbans and whacked out city dwellers might get up to.Also, there would be tons of really dangerous prank gadgets, faulty counterfeits, viruses, etc. floating around. Half the time they'd be made just for kicks
>>36627040Yeah, what this guy said.>https://twitter.com/_floridaman>Florida Man Turns Public Bathroom Into Meth Lab>Florida Man Pelts Road Workers With Cow Feed While Doing Donuts in ATV; Previously Led Police on Drunken Horse Chase >Florida Man Threatens to Shoot Dog During Argument With Wife, Accidentally Shoots Himself in the Face
>>36627135>Florida Man Sees Car Being Towed; Puts On Gas Mask, Bullet Proof Vest, Attacks Tow Truck Drivers With Samurai SwordYeah, this is cyberpunk crime alright.
>>36626885in the future you will be working and on welfare, and on unemployement, and going to the memory bank, and pretty much filling every possible government void that you are required to, to justify the capitalist rouge that is your ultimate communal demise
>>36627168>Florida Man Invades Election Coverage as “Captain Hornblaster"He even has a handle.
>>36627040Dade County pls go
>>36627040>>36627135>>36627168>>36627225so then global warming?
>>36624962>Neo doing magic in the real worldThey were implying that the real world was just another level of the Matrix. Noone actually got free.
>>36627359>Matrix did the Inception ages before Inception was a thingI actually want to see a movie based on those two now.And instead of Neo, it's John Wick.
>>36627359>This fuckin' theory againAll the world is an illusion, m8Lrn 2 enlightenment
>>36627287I don't follow
if you dropped me back in time even to just like 1980 i would probably come off as weird and alien and have a super hard time adjusting to a society w/o cell phones, internet etc.so i get where you guys who are saying 'it would be mostly like today' are coming from but i feel like any legit cyberpunk setting should have even the most vanilla 'normal' life seem logistically crazy and morally terrifying by present day standards
>>36627632That's because cyberpunk *was* a crazy future when cyberpunk was invented, but then we just caught up to it.
>>36623693You're living in it.
>>36627416>watching John wick
>>36627675yeah, i guess i'm unclear on whether we're talking more about cyberpunk as like the neo-80s aesthetic/setting or cyberpunk as the william gibson type speculative near future that gets updated with time
>>36627359>implying NEO is not the NEW MAN>watching 2&3 to figure this out
Judge Dredd is my "ideal" cyberpunk setting.See, the biggest problem with Neuromancer and Shadowrun is you still have menial labor. With automation and advanced AI, "labor" becomes a valueless concept. There's no reason to hire people for low-paying work because you have an infinite supply of automated robots who can work forever and need nothing but power.In Judge Dredd, everyone gets a check from the government for [x] amount of dollars. There are no identity politics at play in Mega-City One- you are a number and part of a carefully planned, controlled environment. You get your check, you follow the rules. As long as you follow the rules everything works fine.You are actually legally prohibited from pursuing work. Citizens of Mega-City One who want to own businesses must pay a monthly fee for taking up work that would otherwise be automated and therefore more efficient. The economy is entirely controlled by AI - there is no credit and money lending is illegal. All transactions are above board under pain of time in the cubes.So, as others have pointed out, Mega-City One is filled with neurotic plods bored out of their skulls who will do literally anything to break up the drudgery of being a cog in a machine that doesn't really do anything.
>>36627797They weren't even subtle about it."You're like, my Jesus or something"
>>36627797>The Christ imagery in the Matrix was still more subdued than the Christ imagery in Man of Steel.You have to try really hard to be more transparent than the Wachowski brothers.
>>36627980I watched Man of Steel and I just got a boner for cool fight scenes, wtf are you talking about?British much?
>>36627949I agree with you, but still wanted to branch out>brits got it right again
>>36628315>British much?No, just able to pay attention longer than a five year old.The profile shot of Clark? When he asks the priest for help?He's in the foreground and in the background is a laughably unsubtle stained glass window featuring good ol' Mister J?And at the beginning of the film, after the oil rig scene, as he's sinking into the ocean he's in a crucifix pose?This isn't rocket science.
>>36624864I know it's late but that sounds dope as fuck.
>>36628368sorry, pic related had my attention most of the movie
>>36627949Which brings us back to>>36627135
>>36628480>liking redheads better than brunettes
>>36628480billion dollar movie and they couldn't iron her collar
>>36628511No, dade county and megacity cannot be symmetric, i wont accept thatbut 10/10 would play
>>36628567you mean 'get pressed by koreans', my attorney-nigga
>>36623998>keeping-up-with-the-cyber-joneses.>Not, "Keeping up with the Jetsons."
>>36628511Just a world of bored lunatics, killing time in an overdeveloped hell hole.
>>36628889>keeping up with the ashpools
>>36628922>oxycontin>suboxyn>buphrenephrin>VRits almost 2020
>>36627135Florida man is a superhero.
>>36623693Look out a window, maybe add a little more grime depending on where you are.Done.
>>36628922image is giving me a hard-on, where is it from
>>36629119Bone face Some British artist. There's more from him earlier in the thread
>>36624394AIs are replacing people now, Anon. Heck, for a very loose definition of intelligence, they have been since WWII.
>>36629374>they are replacing ordinary ass niggascorrected for you
>>36624805>OVERTLY attractive sex robot bimbos that make you find sex with "real" people disgusting.Attractive how? Do they have DFCs and tentacles?
>>36629609If they're as cheap as all that, custom-built bots might be reasonably affordable too.
I think modern cyberpunk needs more of a Walmart/outsourcing/rustbelt feeling
>>36626176No more than usual cyberpunk. This was one of his older works, thank god.
>>36627168Somehow, I have a hard time believing that guy wasn't a 4channer.
>>36627949Why isn't Judge Dredd a combat drone then?
>>36628511Honestly this is why I don't fear technological unemployment. People talk about computers replacing humans the way cars replaced horses, but a bored horse would never make a game out of setting cars on fire.
>>36629655That sounds like a, "No." At least, as far as the usual models having them.
>>36632982I expect the first commercial sex robots will almost certainly be aimed at furries. Fursuits are a lot easier than realistic flesh and these people have already demonstrated that they can spend a lot of money on their fetishes.
How would Luddism work? I'd expect frequent terrorist attacks from Luddites for a long time. Lots of Abrahamic religions would have major issues with cyberpunk stuff eg; microchipping is the mark of the beast, replacement body parts are desecration of God's work.
>>36633098You have never sampled a Fleshlight then.
>>36632902Drones can't be the law.
>>36633138>replacement body parts are desecration of God's workYou realize we have replacement body parts now; right? They're crap by cyberpunk standards, but they exist. >>36633145They make fleshlights for furries.
>>36633184>You realize we have replacement body parts now; right?Yes, but it's not socially acceptable to cut off your perfectly functional arm to stick on a robo-arm.
>>36633184People get sketchy about medical prosthetic, but as long as they are just like something you pull on people tend to be relaxed about them. It's just a fake leg/arm/hand, the modern decedent of a peg-leg. That said, cybernetic prosthetic could be a lot more controversial, especially ones that provide superhuman ability.
>>36633216It is if afterwards you tell people you were in 'Nam.
>>36633235Until people find out you are a fraud and are arrested for stolen valor.
>>36623998I don't think corps would hand out food to useless eaters. I think the people in the slums would have the shittiest jobs available and/or rummage through the garbage of the city for dregs. With the people who can't make a living doing that being forced into subsistence farming in the wastelands.
>>36633254But I was in Nam. Not while the war was going on, and it's not when the arm came of, but I did go there. >Captcha is ancient liesASDammit Google.
>>36633145Those have a good resemblance to natural flesh, but are ridiculously fragile and prone to rips, tears, and other damage. You couldn't cover a robot in anything remotely like that.
The VR games are amazing and only getting better, and that almost completely makes up for the horrible truth that the companies making said games are probably gathering data on all of us to unleash some kinda virus against their rivals.So fucking what, gonna go stab some Templars in the face. I wonder if it'll be someone I know, you never can tell with today's VR technologyAnd like, in an VRMMORPG players regularly form armies to accomplish tasks. It's fucking amazing now, apparently. At least that's what my grandpa tells me. But he's usually amazed by most technology nowadays. Like, did you know back in his generation they played games just by pushing a button on a "mouse" a lot? Only a hundred and he's already talking like he's four times that. He still calls them "video games" and keeps asking what "Sony" and "Nintendo" are up to. Ugh, quarter-aged people.
A pervasive surveillance state where the majority of people simply don't care that they are constantly being monitored by corporations and that information being sold onwards to governments and advertisers, because of the marginal gains in accessibility and convenience.More pushing kids to get advanced degrees and specializations; Less social engagement and more chatrooms, pornography, sexbots, etc; Less marriage; Longer work hours; More divorce; Less retirement.More people stop having long-term relationships, favouring shorter ones or casual encounters, as shifting behaviours clash with expectations.A general withdrawal from society. Standing shoulder to shoulder with the hoi polloi at a crowded transit station, surrounded by people for miles yet utterly alone.
>>36624584We're damn near there already.We've got robotic limbs with sensationCorporations are trying to wrest the power to be able to sue governments and gain extaterritorality.Private Military firms are now starting to get hush-hush operations over seas and are becoming increasingly prevalent in the corporate world for security.No really just look at where we are, we aren't much different, so it's not going to feel much different.
>Ctrl+F "transmet">0 of 0Hm.
>>36624962>Neo doing magic in the real worldIIRC he could only do "magic" on the Machines because they gave him that ability. He's not even 100% human, he's a cyborg like all the others raised inside the Matrix
>>36633358So we're pretty much there, huh?
>>36627040>>36627135The most disturbing part of Florida's strange crimes is the only difference between the Sunshine State and everywhere else is they make their police reports publically available and yellow journalists pick out the good ones.This kind of madness is happening everywhere, you just don't hear about it.
>>36634103Nah, subtle distinction.The Deep South's never really advanced too far past feudalism, and Florida is a uniquely fucked-up beast in that its entire economy is based on old people going there to die, with a small sideline in people flashing cash in Miami. It's got the same fucked up judicial system and total failure to give a shit about the vast number of people living in crushing poverty as most of the rest of the Deep South.But courtesy of a lot of geriatic midwesterners and new yorkers, there is a market of people who 1. still buy newspapers 2. find the kind of crimes you get in a system like that strange and appalling as opposed to the natural state of affairs.Florida Man doesn't get up to any more depressingly fucked-up shit than Mississippi Man.But in Mississippi, there is nobody to give a shit.
Do you read actual cyberpunk books? Count Zero, Mona Lisa Overdrive, The Diamond Age, and The Peripheral, are all more or less about ordinary people who aren't super Hackers or street samurai.
>>36632947>graffiti talking about adventure>painted on the inside of an attic of all placesWhat a joke
>>36635561What, you prefer adventures that start in an overgrown garden?
>>36634755>The Deep South's never really advanced too far past feudalismThanks Reconstruction!>It's got the same fucked up judicial system and total failure to give a shit about the vast number of people living in crushing poverty as most of the rest of the Deep South.See above.YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS, YANKEESYOU DID THIS TO US
>>36635723Hey, at least we tried. It's not our fault you greeted us with a shotgun and a "git yer yankee ass off mah propuhty!"
>>36635561Well it looks pretty rundown and abandoned, getting to that attic is probably an adventure
>>36625557Naaah. The way I see it, clothing is one thing that'll keep getting cheaper and cheaper, since the use of synthetic materials has been perfected. Corporations will have to resort to stranger and stranger looks to keep people buying clothing, and the luxury stuff is all-natural and/or has built-in electronics that do a number of functions. That means "regular" items will get steadily cheaper for the regular folks.Hair dye/tattoos will be increasingly changeable as more extreme and extensive types of body modifications are available. Therefore, everyone will dress/look MUCH more ludicrous than today. Like Japanese fashion, except on a larger scale.
>>36635723Hey man.I'm all for going all William Tecumseh Sherman on your ass again, and starting over from scratch.
>>36635875If only there was a way to seperate out all the decent folks from the South, and hopefully get all the annoying redneckaboos from the rest of the country into the killzone first. Maybe create a "Heritage Not Hate" whites-only state with the "confederate flag" (that isn't actually the confederate flag) made official.
Everything this guy has can now be done with a $50 walmart burner phone.
>>36635826Living in a big city with a lot of abandoned hoses, well, abandoned means there is nobody there so getting in not really an adventure. However they tend to be in bad shape so falling through the floors might be a problem.>>36635862Got an old lady to visits the same supermarket I go to, who basically dresses like that. Word is she is a hooker.Her fashion choices are kind of disturbing sometimes.
>>36636032Except playing mini discs and DVDs. But those formats are outdated by now anyway.Funny enough the communicators in Star Trek look more archaic than a Smar Phone.
>>36623693Guys, mundane Cyberpunk is the current modern world. We got plenty of "cyber" and very little "punk."
>>36629405AIs do lawyer work. AIs write journal articles. AIs compose music.Yes, I use the present tense. Get on with the times.
>>36636084It's beginning already...Yeah, all this talk has made me think a bit about what exactly people would wear in a cyberpunk setting. I mean, today it's not really weird anymore to see someone with a ludicrous hair color when people kept it a secret a few decades ago.
>>36635805And it's not our fault we lived under crushing poverty...pretty much forever.It's also not our fault Yankees decided "South = Bad" and have been actively hating and punishing Southerners for things they've no connection to besides geography.>Oh, hey, the slave owners and sharecropper masters got their shit kicked in! Finally, a chance for some real progress!>FUCK YOU ALL. YOU'RE POOR FOREVER. SO THERE.>...
>>36636107we live in the future
>>36624106So basically 15 years from now
>>36636173>It's like... living in the future.
>>36635805>It's not our fault you greeted us with a shotgun and a "git yer yankee ass off mah propuhty!"Actually, it so totally is thanks to Carpetbaggers scamming every last southerner they could find and the fact that Reconstruction was more about retribution for Lincoln's assassination than actually restructuring the south.>>36635862>filenameSo a college campus?
>>36632902They tried that in the backstory of the comics. Law Enforcement A.I. went full golem and whole megacities were depopulated.
>>36636249Basically.Except the hipsters look like this.
>>36636428>walking around with a fucking keyboard like you're hot shitI love adding Retrojunkies/Cyberhipsters to Cyberpunk and Scifi settings. Nothing says "douchebag of the 22nd century" like someone with holographically bulky headphones and a phone the size of your palm instead of small and flexible enough to wear around your wrist.
>>36636487>douchebag of the 22nd century>play video games on bulky consoles>listen to music with headphones instead of implants>continually points out how new music is ripping off dubstep and EDM>still uses texting, of all things>wears a fucking digital watch
>>36623969Holy fucking hell you god damn bastard you mothercuntfuckering brilliant man.
>>36633804Yep. And the slow, incremental loss will just keep going and going. Bread and circuses keeping the people happy as everything goes to shit. All we can hope for is that one day enough people notice just how bad its gotten, and tear it down to start anew. But I don't think that will happen. I'm too busy watching Game of Thrones and playing Dota anyway.
>>36623693One aspect of a lot of cyberpunk is coralled middle class. And hey, yeah, there's always going to be middle class, just not nearly as much as there used to be. Technicians, geeks, security guards, office workers, secretaries, and such. They're not the corporate elite or fabulously wealthy, and they're not the cast off unwanted masses. In 1984, the main character was of the "outer party", the middle class. Educated enough to know just how fucked the place was but with no power. Shadowrun has the arcologies. Snowcrash has the walled off suburbs. The middle class is coordoned off from the savages that would destroy them. If it were up to me, I'd restrict how much they knew about the poor rabble, least they worry themselves with making things better, which would be awfully expensive. That sort of cultural split makes social mobility hard.
>>36636758I guess, what I'm trying to say is YES, there's still the typical lifestyle that today's modern middle-class american enjoys. Just like how we're separated from the mexican slums and WAY the fuck away from African or Brazil slums, the cyberpunk middle class would be separated from the ganger-lands. Although there are a handful of reasons as to why the ganger-lands could be, would be, physically close to polite society. Namely, so much of society needed to be shrugged off as worthless, that they're essentially everywhere.
>>36625015>since Space colonization would be finally kicking in simply due to necessity:hahaha, hey if it's totally necessary, OF COURSE it will happen. Like how people desperately need water in ethiopia will find a way to make/get more. Or, you know, they'll just suffer and die off.But hey hey, I get it, you're building up a space-setting. Just realize that "we needed the resources up there" isn't going to GET us up there, and some people will balk at that story-wise.
>>36637074I think he meant more about needing more space (lel) to stick people rather than resources. Of course, it would only be the rich and powerful like how it was in Neuromancer, but there would still be some sort of space migration.Hell, we already have plans for a super expensive space hotel in the works right now, so minor space colonization wouldn't surprise me much.
>>36636107I agree, but I like to think that those communicators are bulky because they are ruggidized and have reletively monster batteries and transmitters to achieve their range. To be fair, they tend to have enough range to send a signal from new york during the day to the dark side of the moon.and if you're talking next generation then I think its a matter of style and not just being implants. A communicator with that range, almost no battery requirements, and several smartphone features (personal log, multi way transmitter, transponder, gps, SOS becon, UNIVERSAL TRANSLATOR, and the ability to scan and transmit on almost any frequency) that is an inch and a half diamiter badge is pretty future.
>>36637133I think the proper conditions for a space setting to be viable would involve >Heavy pollution or environmental damage makes a outside a shitty place to be>Arcologies begin to become a thing >First only the rich can afford to live in them but with the initial investment into research on environmental control makes self-sustaining cities more affordableMeanwhile>Globalisation makes certain groups uneasy, they feel as though culture is becoming too homogenised and fear for humanity's stagnating future>Get funding from private organisations to begin construction on lunar citiesThis way the tech required for space shit is already available due to parallel needs. I mean, the original space program would never have gotten off the ground if there wasn't a need for rocket research. For a viable space setting you just need a practical situation that calls for the development of the needed tech.
How will culture work in a cyberpunk setting? I can see it going one of two ways:Technology progresses so fast and uniformly that it's essentially the same everywhere, and culture bleeds away as everyone is able to interact with one another all at once and everything is tailored to fit the new uniform mass.Or, corporations will develop technologies in competition with one another, so an American company will tout itself as supporting traditional American values, with a Vietnamese corporation using as similar rhetoric. Their products are about as similar as today, but they're marketed to different people, and culture is artificially maintained by these corporations that use it as a tool to maintain a customer base and drive out foreign attempts to push into their market.Would their be an attempt to hold onto or become part of older, traditional cultures? Would entirely new ones form? Would culture be unable to change quickly enough?
>>36636032>A copy of Snow Crash amongst all that Sony mess.At least the person who designed this had a sense of humor.
You tell me, anon.How does it feel, sitting in front of your computer? Tapping away at that mobile device?
>>36623969>not pirating a daughter
>>36637513I think the first one is for more likely. Honestly, the current day is already pretty cyberpunk in any decently sized city like San Francisco or Tokyo. The only parts that need to catch up are the middle-class suburbs and remote villages.
>>3663767510/10 star post.
>>36637675You wouldn't download your daughter would you?
>>36624140Are you talking about a Soviet blok contry?
>>36623878So... It's basically living in present-day Britain.
>>36624968>Which will be eaten on Tuesday.>They are yummy.
>>36637675Then she turns out to be a Russian virus that steals your bank account and fucks Black ICE while you're forced to watch.
>>36638201>not knowing how to avoid viruses>even touching your bank account on the same machine you use for non-business mattersIt's far more likely that you end up buying a virus from some weirdo on the street than getting it while pirating.
>>36637652Nice try but it aint cyberpunk just to use a networked computer, if it was we've been cyberpunk since the 80s, hell maybe 60s if you count the ones in offices.
>>36623693So you are asking us about characters with mundane Goals, right?They are the same as they are now. Except a bit more suppressed and integrated into the corporate world.Ich bin hierDu bist hierSchnabeltier
>>36637652>>36637652Source on that Jinorra? Paheal turns up nothing. Art sorta reminds me of Incase, but I can't find anything on the tumblr page. Google gives me nothing, neither does iqdb or saucenao.
>>36638257It pretty much is, it just wasn't really prevalent until recently. Everything that makes cyberpunk cyberpunk is everywhere today.
>>36638274>incase>doing loli>doing things without dicksOnly in our dreams, anon.Now stop being a saucefag and search harder.
>>36638068Given that Cyber Punk always was an extrapolation of Anglo-American politics of the 90s, that should hardly be a surprise.One reason I like Shadowrun. It has individual scenarios for many countries.I like Germany breaking into an industrial dragon state, experimental state-building test zones and mythical forests, each of which is an established aspect of German culture and history independent of traditional "Da Man Won!" cyber punk ideas.>>36638274>Incase>HirnorraNot sure if want. She still comes with hair, right?
>>36638378>90s80s, I mean.
>>36638315People keep saying that but honestly that was true when cyberpunk literature was invented in Gibsons day. Massive social inequality, rampant capitalisim, technology running faster than people catch up and being abused by those in power against those who are not has been a fixture of society for half a century now. People forget Neuromancer was a comment on the times it was written as much as on the potential future.Now when we have cheap mind-machine interfaces for everyone removing the boundary between the real and the artificial , augments that make you better than human at something at the cost of your humanity and vast artificial intelligences beyond our comprehension, then we are cyberpunk.
>>36623969This was brilliant, anon. You should consider writing big time
>>36638418Nah, that's more like transhumanism. There's no need to stretch the definition of cyberpunk just because it slowly took over reality.
>>36628943Fuck those assholes. Seriously, stay dead. We don't need any more corporate celebs clogging up our Simsense.
>>36638324Found it. Slightly more boring than I thought it would be.
>>36638451>that's more like transhumanismExcept literally everything he mentioned was a central aspect of Neuromancer. You have to realize that Cyberpunk was in part a commentary on transhumanism and how technology would not rescue humanity from themselves since we would only use to continue being flawed and, well, human.
>>36638451>Nah, that's more like transhumanism.Thats one of the core themes of cyberpunk though. I mean Neromancer main plot consists of an ai singularity and Bladerunner of a man hunt for an artificial created human. I think youve mixed up the happy go lucky view of transhumanisim pushed by its supporters for the criticism of the idea that comes up in cyberpunk.
>>36638489>>36638451>>36638504The common things of today are the transhumanism of yesterday. We have people all over the place that fit the technical definition of cyborg. Cloning and other related technology are in a solid realm of possibility and people are throwing fits about it.
>>36638504I partially attribute that to post-cyberpunk gaining a bit of a following. Stuff like Ghost in the Shell anime (not the first movie so much) take transhumanism and present it in a different light on the surface. It still deals with the traditional criticisms to some extent, but they're not clearly presented.This is only one example. Lots of others use the augmented human aspect as something cool, and then don't really acknowledge the fact that it's still people being people.
>>36638544Granted but we have not reached cyberpunk levels. It has to be saturated and in public domain. Right now cybernetics is very crude, limited to prosthetic rather than the industrial and weapons grade stuff of cyberpunk, artifical hands are good but still not as fluid as a regular hand. And we have yet to clone a full human being or indeed a full organ yet limited so far to skin tissue and a vat of soggy meat. I agree we are close but we aren't there yet. We remain still "20 minutes from the future." Well maybe 18 minutes now.
>>36638586That's just the transhumanism aspect. Everything else is solidly there. Take one look at a high school kid and you can put a huge check on soulless technology.
>>36637074The US just commissioned a new fleet of space shuttles and China, Japan, India and Russia are all also looking to the skies. Nobody wants to sign the treaty that property in space can't be owned by any one nation and China has also run tests on shooting down derelict satelites with other satelites.It's happening bro. Not today, not tomorrow, but it's coming.
>>36638324Incase has been drawing a ton of halfling and goblin chicks lately, no dicks. Posts them in the shortstack threads when he does. It's all /d/s fault.
>>36625041wait... so 4chan is cyberpunk?
>>36638670Not just 4chan.
>>36638616The same could be said in the 80s when they walked around like this >>36636173 (granted thats an exaggeration but I bet at least one yuppie owned all that in the 80s to 90s)Im not saying your wrong about the electronic sides (we've reached that that global cyber-space no question), but the cyberpunk isnt just computers its the full transhuman-dystopia. You can just dismiss that aspect its core to the genre from its initial creation.
>>36638655>no dicksThat masochistic Elven poof getting dommed by the shortstack certainly does.
>>36638683*Cant dismiss, ugh I'm getting sick of this auto correct. Now there's cyberpunk problems alright.
>>36638696I can't decide if, when and if the world actually gets to genuine cyberpunk levels, if those guys would look more dorky or less than they do right now.
You wake up at 5:35 am again. You tried to sleep in, but it sounded like your neighbor was at it again. After drinking a sip of purifies water you slowly fall asleep again. You wake up at 7:30 am. As you leave your apartment, you see your neighbor cleaning blood from the floor, again. As usual the line of blood on the floor leads to his van.You make your way to the breadline. You clutch the shiv in your pocket, wishing wouldn't need to use it at all. As you're walking you see a lot of homeless people. You consider giving them some money, but you need all of it. At the bread line you hear a gunshot. The local Police subdue the gunman and somebody drags the dead person away as you turn your head away nauseated. You take your soup and bread and buy half a months worth or purified water and head home. At your door, the next door drug dealer smiles when he sees you. > "The usual?"No. Not today, I'm trying to save up.> "I'll give you a discount"You take the drugs. When you enter your apartment you head to the bathroom and take a quick look at you Electronic Cleaning Appliance which you've unplugged. You decide not to use it to save some money.You eat and shoot up the drugs. As you slowly nod away you take a quick look at the savings box, where you've taped aphoto of a good neighborhood and a happy family on the lid. Some day you wish to move back there, and as such you drop your left over bucks in the box before your eyes close
>>36638418>true when cyberpunk literature was invented in Gibsons day.William Gibson has said that the reason his writing has gotten set less and less in the future over the course of his career is because he's realized that science fiction isn't actually about the future, it's about the present. I think this is a very good point.
>>36638696I raise you.
>>36638779Not really as much cyberpunk as just kind of a shitty day that I could see happening now, if much more on the grim side.Where's all the tech? Electronic Cleaning Appliance might just be a new name for a vacuum. Purified water is already sold everywhere. The guy gets bread and soup - nothing that's obviously premade or prepackaged like a ration bar or fast food. Instead of drifting off into a drug high, he should be drifting off into a virtual haze, a general 'happy' feeling brought about by a machine.
>>36638828Fuck I should've clarified. The ECA was suoposed to be a sort of shower. But yeah, I might not be your best cyberpunk author.
Cyberpunk needs more things like pic related.GOTTA MAKE THE TECH WORK
>>36638857You have the atmosphere and mentality down pretty well, though.It's just the techy stuff.You'd make a good dystopia type author though.
>>36638823They look like a lesbian couple.
>>36638655>no dicks>his latest picture is yet another dickgirl>practically everything else recently that isn't his goblin/halfling shit is dickgirls and femboys>even his halfling comic prominently features femboys>everyone still has samefaceYeah, nah, Incase is a hack and a gay.But this thread is about cyberpunks, so have a girl who seems to hate her day job (who doesn't, amirite)
>>36638876They're two twelve year old brothers anon
>>36638696I see your nerds and raise you an Africa.
>>36638857Eh, it's not bad. You've put together a good narrative. You just either have to lay on the tech more now, or you gotta bring it in slowly. It'd honestly be awesome for it to be stuff the guy didn't even think about or acknowledge too much because to him it's all normal, and we as readers wouldn't really notice.Yes, you need some practice and work, but it doesn't automatically make you bad.
>>36638880I didn't hate my day job, crawling around in the cramped, pitch black, asbestos ridden attic of a subway station looking for cables to cut was actually a lot of fun.
>>36638828>Electronic Cleaning Appliance might just be a new name for a vacuum.It's a roomba.
>>36638880He isn't a hack! And he might not be gay, seeing as his dicks are usually attached to girls or very gilry boys.Plus he's been doing better with faces.
>>36638886Still dress and cut their hair like lesbians.
>>36638952Roomba roomba roomba roomba roombaSamayoru sugata ha sanagara roombaYoromeku sugata mo mecha kucha roombaFura tsuki naga ramo ikitei roombaHata kara mirya dansu ni mie roomba
>>36638972Well, they're from the same website as these:>>36625557>>36625868
>>36624991It's a holdover from the 80s, when Cyberpunk first became a thing. At the time, it very much looked like Japan would rule the goddamn world through a mass economic takeover and superior technology, so it became a cyberpunk staple. Of course, their economy crashed into mediocrity and China took their place as the "Our Future Asian Overlords" boogyman, but having excessive Japanese slang, food, and odd bits of culture imbedded in everyday life is practically as integral to Cyberpunk as the "Cyber" and "Punk" are.
>>36639008Well they still have a way to go before their style is ubiquitous, transcendental and intergalactic.Like this guy.
>>36639079>intergalacticLooks more planetary to me
>>36639041There's plenty of japanese culture popping up all over the place, and it's increasing. If it counts for excessive is a matter of opinion.
Does a cyberpunk world have to be definitively shitty? Does the general condition of the populace have to be bad? We see a lot of dystopic stuff like 1984-styled governments, police brutality, and poverty/filthy living conditions, but are those just common elements of cyberpunk, or are they a prerequisite?Could you have a properly cyberpunk setting without those things?
>>36639095Half of what cyberpunk is is just the material things, almost all of which are present in the real world.The other half is the narrative focus and mood. As far as that half goes, it's like asking if noir has to be definitively shitty. It has to be grounded in specific aesthetics and philosophy.
>>36623693See: >>36627719All the cyberpunk tech is here. Most people are just too dumb to take advantage of it. Hell, most people don't even know it exists.
>>36639135>All the cyberpunk tech is hereCan you tell me where to buy the latest designer skin? I hear freckles are in this season.
>>36627949>>36628346That's bullshit. Shows a lack of understanding of basic economic laws (marginal cost of labor / automation) and the fact that we are ages and ages away from an AI that is something more than an expert system.
>>36639158Plastic surgery is a thing, and barring that I'm sure there are even skin dyes that could make that happen.No, it isn't an artificial skin that you can slip in and out of like clothing, but nobody said that had to be the case.
>>36639079> mfw this is part of his actual quote
>>36639158Your local plastic surgeon? If you want freckles you can just have them tattooed or something.
>>36639179>Plastic surgery is a thingYes, but designer skin with actual branding behind it that you can get abducted and harvested for wearing in the wrong part of time is not. Plastic surgery is a thing, but it's not the complete callous disregard for the human form that is endemic of Cyberpunk.>nobody said that had to be the caseGibson did. Also see my above point about callous disregard for the human form.If GitS is what you would call post-Cyberpunk, then I'd call our current society pre-Cyberpunk, seeing as all the tech and social issues exist in an "almost, but not quite" state.
>>36639216>Plastic surgery is a thing, but it's not the complete callous disregard for the human form that is endemic of Cyberpunk.You should go to Korea.
>>36639094On the back of Japanese manga there is currently a development towards German indigenous manga production.This is a generation growing up under the influence of Japanese media and is at the same time an expression of Japanese influence and the beginning of a possible new tradition of graphic literature in Germany that has been almost exclusively receiving foreign comics/manga.As such, the development could be construed as either the expression of Japanese influence or a beginning counter movement using a foreign toolset to conquer a largely unexplored medium for this country.I am anon's tangential relevance.
>>36639190>go through album>"I absolutely love colors">all the people saying this wear overwhelmingly predominantly white
>>36639095Even the real world has those things, lots of them.
>>36639158>>36639216>Gibson did. Also see my above point about callous disregard for the human form.Not in Neuromancer. Also, you picked the most superficial example possible. Swappable appearance (without consequences) is not cyber-punk tier tech.
>>36639241How else will the color stand out?
>>36639257>Not in Neuromancer.Literally the very first chapter in Neuromancer has Case notice a guy with a designer logo on his palm and think about how the dude is gonna get rolled for having that shit in the wrong part of town. Later on in the novel there's also mention of skins on display in some uptown shop window.Then there's also Deane or whatever that semi-immortal dude's name was, as well as the Turing Agents, though those two are more similar to traditional plastic surgery since they were dealing with the personalized luxury varieties.It's a superficial example, sure, but that's sort of the point. You can't say we've already achieved Cyberpunk tech when you're wrong on the most superficial levels. We can't jack into the net with our brains, there is no simsense, no holographic eyes, no vat grown ninjas, no designer organs and deluxe cybernetics. We're on the cusp of a lot of those things, yes, but we're not there.
>>36638875>>36638904Ah well, thanks in any case. If I feel like it I'll give it a shot, honestly I did this just as a quickshot on my phone
>>36639303>Literally the very first chapter in Neuromancer has Case notice a guy with a designer logo on his palm and think about how the dude is gonna get rolled for having that shit in the wrong part of town.Doesn't mean skin changing. >Later on in the novel there's also mention of skins on display in some uptown shop window.Never noticed, don't believe.>Then there's also Deane or whatever that semi-immortal dude's name was, as well as the Turing Agents, though those two are more similar to traditional plastic surgery since they were dealing with the personalized luxury varieties.Armitage just had plastic surgery, and this is stated quite clearly.>It's a superficial example, sure, but that's sort of the point. You can't say we've already achieved Cyberpunk tech when you're wrong on the most superficial levelsI can't think of a cyberpunk novel that makes any sense that has "skin changing." >We can't jack into the net with our brainsWe can control objects with our mind, and we can bypass spinal cord injuries to control limbs as of this year.>no holographic eyes"Holographic eyes" makes no sense to me. There are ocular implants for the blind that work with low res, low res because of med testing time frames.Unless you mean the dickhead who could project his thoughts. > no vat grown ninjasClones are possible.> no designer organs and deluxe cyberneticsBoth in early stages, but exist.
>>36639353>>36639303I will also add that this is due to lack of funding, interest, and "moral" considerations more than anything else. And no, I don't mean to parrot Deus Ex with the "moral" shit, just really.
>>36639095Sort of...The -punk genres are about people rising against the mainstream culture of that world.For that rebellion to feel legitimate or justified, you need to have a contrast between the downtrodden and the over-privileged elite.You can't do -punk with everyone living shitty lives, and you can't do legitimate -punk with everyone living fantastic lives.At least... that's what it used to be about before idiots co-opted it into people dressing funny and using quirky technology...
>>36639353>Doesn't mean skin changing.Now you're just being intentionally obtuse.>Unless you mean the dickhead who could project his thoughts.No, I mean the entire character of Mendoza.>Armitage just had plastic surgeryNot Armitage. The fucker who had to go get his telomeres flipped in Japan every year to stave off death for another year and was described as some gross, pink skinned near-genderless thing that loved antiques. I'm beginning to wonder if you even read the book.>We can control objects with our mind, and we can bypass spinal cord injuries to control limbs as of this year.Which is, like I keep saying, close but not quite. It's also super fucking amazing instead of a mundane part of everyday life.>Clones are possible.We barely cloned a sheep. A cloning is not the same as a custom ordered ninja built from the ground up. >Both in early stages, but exist.Which, again, is the point I've been making from the start.>>36639385>"moral" considerationsWhich was another point of mine. Society has degraded/progressed to the point where "profaning" the human body is just another thing. Even plastic surgery as you keep bringing up has a certain stigma about it.I swear, you guys saying we're "already Cyberpunk" for just showing the first signs of it would be like someone saying they already climbed Mount Everest the moment they set foot in Tibet.
>>36636123AIs also more or less run the stock market.Most brokers don't make their own purchasing decisions. They plug your money into an algorithm and let it ride.
>>36638864Shit like this I refer to as tech worship.Not in the way we usually think of as worship, where you're deifying things, but the way worship usually works, which is "I don't understand how this thing works, so I'll appeal to a higher power until it does."A LOT of how we use technology approaches ritual, because let's face it, most of us don't understand the guiding principles behind the technology. And generally speaking, we don't need to.So you end up doing, well, that kind of shit.
>>36634930Hello Molly and Case.
>>36638683The transhuman bit rears its head in modern politics every now and then, but it hasn't become the central facet of society yet.
>>36639240There is? Got any things, keywords, or names to look for?
>>36638828The thing about technology is that most of it is generally too expensive for your average downtrodden labourer. It's a lot like steampunk's original viewpoint was not all the humongous mecha and airships that resulted from the expansion of steam technology; but how the coal miners and factory workers were overworked and spat on even more then usual due to said advancements lowering the value of their work.
>>36638068>>36640055Have the mega-corporations replaced the people as fundament of official power in britain, yet?No?Seems more like the US, then...
>>36632902If Judge Dredd were really 100% effective, everyone would be dead. Judges HAVE to be human so that there's a wide enough margin of error in which the rest of humanity can exist.
>>36637893I'd download yours.
>>36636173Wow, that's some big pocket. Can't wait to get one.
>>36640190All names associated with the compilation Dead Ends are leading you to works of their own.I own 78 Tage auf der Strasse des Hasses vol1,2.I own 78
>>36639874That too, but it's not new at all. You know why we don't have general AIs? Because they're fucking useless.Yes, it's a commentary by the market on the "human specificity".
>>36632947Neither would a bored computer because there's no such thing.
>>36642257>You know why we don't have general AIs? Because they're fucking useless.This might become an argument the day we have any idea on how to build one and nevertheless choose not to.
>>36642347We don't pour money into it because they make no economical sense.
>>36642361It doesn't make economical sense today because we have no idea how to get there, so it's like throwing money into the air and waiting for Jesus to pick it up.An AGI that can solve any problem is at the very least awesome for all the problems that are not worth devoting a specialized AI on.