Mom stares. Six eyes wide, taking in the sight of the towering structure, standing tall and complete before her."Lyra- How did you even-"The words are broken, sloppy. She doesn't look away from the stone as she speaks. You cough into your hand, and she glances in your direction- Just in time to see you gesture sharply, stone forming before you into a little pillar."It is magic, yes? The stone... It, ah, remembers? It is hard to explain.""Remembers?""The shape. Of the building, yes? It wants to be complete, kind of."She falls quiet, watching the silent stone walls. Dad hasn't said anything, waiting patiently for Mom to start."Can we actually..."She trails off, watching."I think so. I haven't been below yet, but the hallways were wide. Except for where they collapsed. But you can get to the caves, yes. Where Seranthis was. Though I do not think he was staying in one place."She starts forwards, legs clicking lightly on the stone, one hand trailing lightly against the wall as she walks, the shadows of the building swallowing her up.>Head on in behind her.>Wait outside while she looks around.>Show her everything inside- A bit of fire for a light.>Other (?)
>>36372784>Show her everything inside- A bit of fire for a lightDesigned for Maximum adventuring...
>>36372784And we're back after the break!Announcements: twitter.com/REQMXQ&A: ask.fm/REQMCharacter Sheet and Misc:http://pastebin.com/u/REQMArchive:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Re-Monsterorhttp://archive.moe/tg/search/tripcode/!!7fb3j+Ac+pZ%20/type/op/or https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rD-MZe51wYI63xxl-tG8dsxj-RWVtJu3S6Gzd6OTJSw/edit?usp=sharing
>>36372784>>Head on in behind herThis is a big deal for her. Just let her soak it in and follow for now.
>>36372784> Follow mom. > Give her some time as we make our way down the stairs.> Explain our own adventures down here as we go.
>>36372784>Show her everything inside- A bit of fire for a light.
>>36372784>>Show her everything inside- A bit of fire for a light.The full spider tour with your spider tour guide.
>>36372784>Head on in behind her.>Show her everything inside- A bit of fire for a light.
>>36372784>Show her everything inside- A bit of fire for a light.Dad will want to see this, too.
>>36372784Show her everything inside- A bit of fire for a light.
Showing off a little bit!Writing!
>>36373001Looking at the updatet character sheets, I noticed that Elles crossbow isn't mentioned anywhere.>Elle lvl 93>Zach and Ephram lvl 99Okay, we have to drag our lazy sister on a hunt soon, we can't have her evolving after the brothers after she had such a headstart.And>Aria lvl 82She is gaining on us!
>>36373081>Okay, we have to drag our lazy sister on a hunt soonPerhaps we can tempt her with "More Food = More Protein for Silk"?She loves to weave, so maybe by tempting her with the food needed to make lots of silk and to create lots of new clothes and tailoring projects, we can get her to come with us.
>>36373145We can just drag all of our sisters on a hunt together.Its a bonding experience.
>>36373145>>36373081I would hardly call her lazy considering she is the one earning most the money with her weaving.If you want to tempt her... maybe combat related weaving? traps and the like.
>>36373184Lazy isn't quite the same thing as complacent.And, she isn't working for money, its a byproduct of her hobbies.
>>36373184Well she IS lazy, but she's a productive kind of lazy.
>>36373184>I would hardly call her lazyShe is called the lazy spider everywhere for a reason.She does things, but she definitly has, her own tempo, so to speak.
>>36373081I wonder that our brothers are so close to evolving, REQM had said they were still years away from that. Especially since they were completly normal arachne its odd they gained experience this fast.
>>36373237The Queen's domain is spreading. All those entangled in our relationship web gain experience faster.
>>36373145>>36373081I'm all up for a bit of sisterly bonding, especially granted that we may not see them for a good while. We should ask mom if she knows of anything really good (to eat or otherwise) that could help Elle in her craft. Hell, taking her to town with us next time might be enough. We'll go on a rampage with the adventurers and buy her a house right there in the city.
>>36373237Actually, he said they were years away from Wolf or Jumping Spider. Those are second tier evolutions. Our brothers will probably hit "widower" tier soon, but second stage evolutions take a lot longer generally speaking. They are reckless, but not that reckless.
>>36373318Considering it took our mother, who was unusually adventerous, 30 years to evolve into her first stage, its more than strange they evolve in slightly more than a month.They hunt, sure, but they don't really hunt anything big or really dangerous, so they should be more similar to regular arachne.
>>36372784>Head on in behind her.Are we planning on rebuilding it all? If we are, do we tell her?
>>36372784>>Head on in behind her.
>>36373418There was some talk of rebuilding the ruins, with there being some pros and cons to each. Right now, we don't have a strong agenda for or against it. On the other hand, a lot of talk has been circulating about going to explore outside the forest pretty soon.We'll ask Seranthis before rebuilding the ruins too much, I think. He might prefer they stay collapsed, making his job easier, though that might just switch our prerogative to helping him bottleneck or further seal the deep passages.
>>36373344yea. that is pretty odd.i expected at least some siblings to take a normal time to evolve
>>36373344REQM explained this. A young monsters XP growth rate is set in the first month or so of life. If they grind for XP in their first weeks, they will gain levels at an increased rate for the rest of their lives.If they don't do that, they will forever gain XP at a slower rate.Our siblings got so much XP this early because of us and Spidermom.1, Spidermom is a lot more permissive than Spidergranny was. Spidergranny nearly had a fit when Spidermom found a dungeon.Spidermom never had the chance to gain much XP in her first weeks / months.2, We aren't exactly a normal newborn monster. We have the memories and experience of an adult. In our past life we were also a bit of a ca/tg/irl. When we woke up in MAGIC FANTASY LAND.... We, we just HAD to explore and try new things. We gaind XP at a retarded rate and dragged most of our family along for the ride.All our siblings have had much more active childhoods because of us.
>>36373418>>36373450Votes been called for a while now.
>>36373451He is keeping something trapped down below, is it because he can't destroy it... or because he is too big to fit down there and destroy it?or because its not an it so much as entire races like drow and illithids.
>>36373081I feel kind of bad for Aria, honestly.
>>36373461>Our siblings got so much XP this early because of us and Spidermom.Thats all not true for a brothers though. We all know that stuff, its why our sisters are so fast in gaining levels.But our brothers weren't influenced by us at all, they had completly normal arachen childhoods, so our acitivity doesn't explain why they evolve faster.
>>36373461>Spidermom never had the chance to gain much XP in her first weeks / months.Didn't she actually find that first dungeon very early and used to always get into trouble? I mean, that is what lia said.>All our siblings have had much more active childhoods because of us.but it wasn't really all of them. with the exception of taking sarah to the starwell where we all went, some of them have hardly had anything dangerous to fight and as such shouldn't have such a high XP multiplier
>>36373344She didn't take thirty years to evolve the first time, though, she gave birth to us during her first evolution. She evolved between meeting dad and going on ~adventures~ with him.
>>36373318No-one is Lyra reckless."No ones big like Lyra,""No ones strong like Lyra,""No ones quite so astoundingly reckless like Lyra!""When she was a girl she ate 3 dozen gnomes""Every day so that she would grow large!""And now that she's grown she eats FIVE dozen gnomes""So she's roughly the size of a barge!"
You follow her in, your own chitinous legs clattering in time with hers as you move. The doorway, as large as it is, is nothing compared to the inside of the building- Your eyes let you see easily in the dark, but it's truly massive.How many people came through here each day? What did they need something like this for?You'd probably have to rebuild the city to find out. Maybe if you just-No. Nope. That's Nin getting to you.Speaking of, the little moth has fallen silent behind you, turning this way and that, trying to peer through the gloom. You glance from her to your Mother, her fingers exploring the carvings marking each wall, and you smile. A little self satisfaction is healthy, yes.And now you're doing it in your thoughts, too. You give a mental shrug, and raise a fist over your head- It only takes a split second to ignite, dancing lights flaring out, casting twisting shadows over each carving.Nin gasps, one hand resting on your shoulder, and Mom steps away from the wall, backing up till she can see the whole of the wall, standing breathless as she takes in the artwork of your long lost neighbours. It hasn't changed since the first time, but that doesn't make it any less amazing. Flowing water, towering trees, monsters of all shapes and sizes at work, hand in hand. Even Seranthis is there, a spider taller than the trees.The little moth speaks, her grip tightening, her voice whispery in the cavernous room."This? This is what was lost?"She doesn't wait for an answer. She's standing now, her head tilting back to take in the walls around you. There's a moment if quiet before she speaks again."You need to bring it back. Even a piece. No matter how small. If we could have this again-">Take her hand.>Maybe someday, yes?>That would take more than one spider, Nin.>Other (?)
>>36373461>a lot of stuff everyone already knewThe question is why our brothers, who weren't trained by mom nor got dragged on crazy adventures gain so fast.And its a good question, REQM stressed in the past how they are examples of regular arachne behavior.Maybe dad urged them to train on their own?
>>36373344Mom was locked in the house until long after her xp rate was locked in very low because of the dungeon incident.Nalia however is actively helping her kids grow, be it via training, hunting, or just letting them out of the nest to do what they wish at an early age.>>36373511Yes, and then her mom sat on her until she was fully grown, ie locked in at 1/2 way to first evolution because grannyspider wouldnt let her leave the nest anymore.
>>36373534>Take her hand.
>>36373534>No. Nope. That's Nin getting to you.yess... give in to the nin side of the force.
>>36373537>Mom was locked in the house until long after her xp rate was locked inThats definitly not true, mom run away a lot to go on adventure while in our age, Jins mom explicitly told us that. She wasn't quite as crazy as we are, but the point is, that she definitly was at least as active as our brothers.
>>36373504I think it has implied that every child of mom's litter has gotten a bit competitive. Aria is the strongest example, but I think the others subconsciously push themselves to try to stand out a little when compared to she who sacks ruins at a week old and whose butt smolders and rumbles in her sleep.They have their own adventures, I'm sure.
>>36373534>>Take her hand.D'aww.
>>36373534>Maybe someday, yes?
>>36373534>>Maybe someday, yes?>>That would take more than one spider, Nin.Even if Dad ans Sis filled us with mana and we burned it all in mighty effort, we would still need to fill it.A city is made of people. Otherwise it's just rocks.
>>36373534>Take her hand.>Maybe someday, yes?>That would take more than one spider, Nin.I don't like picking everything but it kind of fits.
>>36373534>Take her hand.>That would take more than one spider, Nin.
>>36373534not a vote but>That would take more than one spider, Nin.nin keeps on telling us to become a queen for a reason, yes?that way we have more than one spider.
>>36373534>Take her hand.>Someday Nin. Someday.
>>36373534>>That would take more than one spider, Nin.
>>36373575>whose butt smolders and rumbles in her sleepAre you making implications about our diet?
>>36373535Like I said. Spidermom is a lot more permissive than Spidergranny and we're clearly having an influence on our family. Direct and indirect influence.
>>36373535The brothers got a big bump from the necromancer fight, as well as the escalating competitions. Even Elle is grinding away exp with her weaving-The big thing here through, is that the updates covered about 2.5-3 weeks, there, and their first month is now over. And with it, the bonus EXP and gain rate. The brothers are probably a week or so out from evolving, and Elle won't hit it for a month or so.
>>36373534>Maybe someday, yes?>That would take more than one spider, Nin.
>>36373628I wonder if our grandmother ever told mom "I hope you have a child JUST LIKE YOU when you have kids!"
>>36373534>Take her hand.>Other (?)Heck YEA! Lets do this!
>>36373534>That would take more than one spider, Nin
>>36373641I wonder if our gram is still alive. and if so, why haven't we met her? what gramps? or mom's siblings?
>>36373633Do regular arachne siblings not compete?Its just odd to me that they would grow so much faster than mom. I mean, there is a world of difference between decades and months.
>>36373534>Take her hand.>Maybe someday, yes?
>>36373665>I wonder if our gram is still aliveShe's already been said to have been killed by something in the forest.
>>36373665>why haven't we met herGramps disappeard without a trace one day.
>>36373682We don't know if she got killed, only that she is gone and didn't return.She likely died, but its ambigious.
>>36373534> Take her hand.> "It takes more than one spider to build a city, yes."
>>36373666>Do regular arachne siblings not compete?Maybe they do. But they don't have to compete with, well, US.We're clearly having some influence on the rest of the family. The fact that Moms parenting style seems to encourage growth a lot more than grannys did would also be a huge factor.
>>36373621All that meat must cause some indigestion. Probably not: she is a giant spider, after all.
>>36373666Arachne are, by nature, solitary as hell.Their families are usually smaller.Your entire family is weird. Top to bottom.
>>36373534>That would take more than one spider, Nin.
>>36373633Referring to>>36373081Shouldn't Elle have some ranks in crossbow usage by now? I had the impression it was her main weapon.Not to mention her crossbow itself isn't listed.
>>36373682>>36373688so, both of our grandparents from mom side are MIA and presumed dead.What about mom's siblings? or more extended family?plus, we know that dad's family is alive but doesn't know he got married... we should totally go visit them
>>36373682What about the family on dad's side? Or our various aunts and uncles?
>>36373725I didn't have the impression the brothers compete with us. I'm fairly sure REQM referred to the brothers competing with eachother.
>>36373735so wait... dad is super virile and knocked mom up with a bunch of kids at once, unlike an arachne couple who would only have 1 kid at a time?
>>36373742I had honestly completely forgotten it. I'll add tonight.In Any case, Counting!
>>36373665Spidergranny is AWOL, we don't know what happened. Might be dead.Spidergrampa is a complete unknown. We haven't heard anything about him.We have a Spiderauntie and some Spidercousins, but we haven't met them and don't really know anything about them yet.
>>36373750>What about mom's siblings? or more extended family?She has some relatives in the forest. Its ion the ask.fm.I don't think we were ever told anything about gramps though.>>36373770Might be a elf+spider thing rather than a elf thing.
>>36373735The family responsible with protecting the ruins! Mess with us at your own risk!
>>36373750I'm sure at some point we end up in the elf lands.On that note though.What should be our first journey? Up the river to the city and into the plains, or through the forest to the mountain?
>>36373785>She has some relatives in the forest. Its ion the ask.fm.lets go meet themalso. I just remembered that we keep on forgetting to ask dad his last name!
>>36373770Either the famous elven low fertility only applies to pure elven couples, or his family is blessed with unusual fertility. Could be the latter: I think elfdad has several siblings.
>>36373793>The family responsible with protecting the ruins!no, that is ALL the spiders not just one particular family>>36373804first stop is elflands for the hue
>>36373832Elflands are far too far away for first stop.
If anyone saved the map, can you post it.
>>36373804I want to see the dwarves, honestly. We have the whole earthbending thing going, and we have an interest in smithing and technology that could be easily explored with their people. With luck, we'll be able to find plenty of adventure on the way, new NPCs to latch onto, new monsters to fight, and new treasure.
>>36373855>>36373860I want to go there too, and dwarflands means going through the forest, which means we could find other forest races.
A bit of reassuring, a bit of poking fun.Writing!
>>36373884>which means we could find other forest races.hey, that is a good point. we still haven't cleaned up our home so to speak. seems silly to go explore far when we haven't even met all the locals yet.
>>36373898And a lot of hand holding?
>>36373912I'd like to meet one of the lizardfolk who are frustrated and pissed about their people being a bunch of shitlords.And, of course, tiny Cockney lamias.
>>36373912South East towards Elf lands would take us through a lot of Forest. I'd be up for that.
>>36373913henever our hands are not otherwise occupied with head patting
>>36373937wait, the tinysneks are cockney now? since when?
>>36373940It would only be the edge of the forest, so we would only find more harpies, the other forest races moved deeper into it.
>>36373953Probably just wishful thinking. I fully support it, though.
>>36373937I really want a Lamia companion like Ssen. That fully ramblomatic, leviathan brain of hers would be fun as hell.
>>36373953Just my mental image of them. I think I might have transposed the tiny Cockey harpies onto them.
>>36373884>>36373912Visiting the dwarves would be straight shot out of the forest, guys
>>36373941Our hands, abs, and butt will never find rest, will they?If Lyra is not fondling someone head feathers / wolf ears / antenna, one of the said butts is smashing their face into her abs or rubbing themselves along her butt.
>>36373986I assumed dwarfes would also live along our mountain range.
>>36373937>meet one of the lizardfolk who are frustrated and pissed about their people being a bunch of shitlords.I'd like that but I suspect they would avoid Spider like the plague.Given the fact that most Lizards are suicidally aggressive towards us, most Arachne would probably have developed a Kill on Sight police towards them.Any Lizard smart enough to realize his people are a bunch of retards would probably be smart enough to head in the opposite direction the moment he spotted a Spider.>tiny Cockney lamiasYeessss!
>>36373994I think few people travel to the northern mountains, likely due to the monsters becoming increasingly fierce. I think the pastebin even makes mention that that region of the world is virtually uninhabited or unknown.
>>36373986i have no idea who is what on that map, but the two red circles are very far from each other in terms of actual travel timealso, so what if its a straight shot? we need to visit the elves to connect with dads family and we need to explore the forest more fully. to get a better handle of arachne culture, meet all the other interesting forest races (of which we are barely scratching the surface of), meet mom's extended family. explore dungeons and ruins.then there is the whole underdark thing going on and the moth slave trade
Guys you aren't thinking Lewd Comedy enough.Cockney Tinysnek Lamia scarf.
>>36374034>monsters becoming increasingly fiercewe do need more XP
>>36373957The Harpies don't control the whole outer edge of the Forest. Just this area.But nothing stopping us taking an indirect route if we want.
>>36374054I think wearing the tiny lamia as a scarf was automatically assumed at this point.
>>36374034Sounds like a challenge to me.And I think traveling the forest should be our first trip, there is so much to find there, especially the other forest realm races Lyra keeps wondering about.>>36374050>we need to visit the elves to connect with dads familyI'm not sure about "need", we probably will at some point, but its not really a pressing agenda, considering we don't even know about them IC as far as I remember.Might come soon though, if we ask about dads name.>>36374075Its not about control, harpies are the only forest race that still lives at the outer edge of the forest, since they get along with humans the best. So if any forest race lives at the edge, its harpies.
>>36374050There's a lot of potential opportunities for exploration in this quest and no real correct way to go about them. We'll inevitably have to leave out certain things and come back to them later, but we'll burn that bridge when we get to it.My vote is for dwarves, but seeing the elves or our spider family also sound neat.
>>36374050We are basically close to the ruins indicated in the forest. The elves live on that "island" and the dwarfs apparently live on the south-eastern mountain range.Deeper into the forest is definitly the hard-mode, as far as I can see.Since all other routes take us into more "civilized" lands.
>>36374107My only wish aside from Nin's aspirations for Lyra to come true in the future is for Lyra to visit the elf family while she's still relatively young. I don't mind how that's accomplished or when it happens or what else she does before then.
>>36374168>while she's still relatively youngWhy that?
>>36374168Sorry, I DO have clarifications on that: I want it to happen before she's two or three years old (if her life is measured in months then that's better, but I'm not insisting on that) and I want it to happen before elfdad has a chance to go back home.
>>36374189For maximum WTF from elfdad's family, specifically his mother, mainly. The older she is, the more likely they'd mentally justify her accomplishments, but the idea of how they'd react to the heavily armored, highly evolved spidergirl who has killed monsters the size of houses while claiming to be elfdad's daughter and only a few months old makes me giggle.
>>36374195>before elfdad has a chance to go back homeConsidering he kinda ran away. I doubt thats going to happen any time in the next decade at best.And he and mom are going back on adventure trail pretty soon anyway.I don't see any particular reason why we should visit them " young", as far as we know elf grandma is not going to be a fan of us anyway.She 'might' like Sara though.
>>36374195>>36374189I don't know what works out best from the perspective of thematic pacing within the narrative. I imagine elves are bound to be a more complicated people than the dwarves, but can't say for certain. Granted our... earthy upbringing, I imagine the dwarves would make a better match for the person we are right now. However, it also might be refreshing to expand our horizons and then come back to our roots in the mountains.
>>36374238Eh, they will figure "monsterkin".They're elves, they've seen shit.
>>36374243I explained my thought process >>36374238 , but yeah. Also, I don't think she'd be keen on Sara because she's basically exactly like elfdad. If there's any of the family she'd actually like (which I'm doubting) it would probably be Elle, who's the most cosmopolitan of the siblings. Judging by what little I remember of the ask.fm (I should double check, honestly), though, I think elfgrandpa would like Sara, and elfaunt would adore all of the kids just because of the conniptions they give her mother.
>>36374257I don't think "thematic pacing" is a concern here.I do think it makes the most sense for Lyras adventures and plot hooks so far to go into the forest first. Her interests so far have largely been 1. hunting and 2. Forest realm.She keeps wondering about what other races live deeper in the forest too, and with our possible chat with Seranthis coming, it would make the most sense to me.After that its largely a matter of interests, I prefer dwarfs, since it would help Lyra to develop more, on the other hand, elves would be cool for Sara.
>>36374291>, I don't think she'd be keen on SaraI figure she might like Sara since mages are a big deal for elves, and she had hoped for some upwards movement, socially, from her son.So a mage grandchild would probably find more favor with her.
>>36374263But that's boring and not fun and elfgrandma still doesn't know that dad got a bunch of kids with an arachne and that the fiancee from the other family they were going to make an alliance with turned out to be some halfelf that went "nope", ran away, became an adventuress, and then ended up charging into battle riding on the daughter of the guy she was engaged to.that was a lie.>>36374329You forgot to quote the last part of the sentence, which explains why I don't think she'd like Sara.
>>36374306I'd encourage Sara to stick around and keep Elle company for a little while while we go out exploring. We can try to move the core back to the tree with our newfound earth magic, leave her to study that and the stones in the mine, then come back to bring her (and possibly Elle) to visit the elves (who would presumably be huge buyers of silk).
>>36374366I will laugh my ass off if REQM makes that canon
>>36374366I didn't forget it, it just didn't matter to what I was going to say.I'm not disagreeing that she might dislike her because of that, I guess "liking her" is probably to stron, its more, be less resentful, because at least she is another mage.
>>36374393We really need to bring Lann to visit the woods sometime before the entire family runs off.>>36374366Speaking of which, I'd love to bring Sara along for the road. At the same time, it just kind of feels like we have enough followers for right now. Anymore for REQM to switch between on a regular basis might drive him nuts.
>>36374393Its funny, but doesn't work because elf grandma wouldn't have tried to marry her son to a half-elf for social upgrade, that doesn't really make sense.>>36374373We're gonna drag Sara with us. Period. She is our party mage, every party needs a mage. And you learn more magic adventuring instead of studying, everyone knows that.Just look at her skill gain, she made huge leaps adventuring with us, and slowed to a crawl without us..
If I recall correctly, Elfgreatgrandpa would approve of his son's arachne wife, because the arachne still rule the forest, right?Having him talk with Nin should lead to hilarious results.
>>36374373>I'd encourage Sara to stick around and keep ElleOh no. Elle got Aria to keep her company.Aria and us called dibs on the respective imouto on the first hunt.And I really want to bring Sara along, it just wouldn't feel right leaving her behind.
>>36374453>it just kind of feels like we have enough followers for right nowThats kinda true, but I think five member party works fine. It would just mean we won't be dragging any additional permanent party members with us.
>>36374536Which five? Lyra, Lann, Jin, Nin, Shezska?
>>36374536its already crowded enough just with the spiderbutt colony.we seriously don't need any more.
>>36374586I didn't assume we would bring Lann deeper into the forest.So we would bring Jin,Sheszka, Nin and Sara.
>people wanting to visit dwarves and elves and shitSure sure whatever. That's not important.What -is- important is we use our breath-holding abilities to sneak into the village by river, and then startle people.
>>36374536If we had the whole, mobile fortress thing going for us, I think that we would be in better shape for bringing along a bigger party. Kind of hoping the dwarves can hook us up with an airship, or at least provide the inspiration.
>>36374586I don't think we bring Lann into the deep forest expedition, we can show her our nest and the waterfall, but deeper into the forest with her doesn't seem like agood idea. And I'm not even sure she woudl want to, she's got a job, technically.
>>36374615>implying Lyra won't be the mobile land fortressShe just needs to get huge.
>>36374586>LannI don't think Lann is made for the forest adventure.She could, probably, but we have no idea how long it takes, and she isn't used to it like we are.
>>36374598No Lyra needs to grow more spider butt
>>36374611>use our breath-holding abilities to sneak into the village by river, and then startle peopleWe are doing this. Failing to do this is not an option. It's happening.
>>36374606Assuming that's our next goal, I kind of take your point, but it's too soon to see what people are most keen on next. >>36374611This sounds like a humorous, yet terrible idea, moreso given that Nin will likely begin shouting about the Queen's invasion and clever tactics (possibly before we have even successfully gotten inside the city walls.
>>36374611I don't want the guards to get in trouble because they failed to spot the arachne infiltration.
I want it to be us and the spiderbutt inhabitants. keep adding more people and the combat becomes boring and overly complicated.ie: Lyra, Jin, Nin, Sheszka.
>>36374656>We are doing this. Failing to do this is not an option. It's happening."Dear guild leaders, today the forest spiders practiced amphibious landings in our villiage. Officially stated reason: Boredom."
>>36374598Hopefully the skull will get bigger eventually. Enough space to act as a small tent for 3-4 people if you pack them in. I don't think they'd really mind being packed in.
>>36374659>Assuming that's our next goalI honestly can't see anything else at this point.Maybe if we talk with dad about his name we got reason for the elves, but IC we have little to no reason to visit the dwarves atm.That probably comes when we visit the city with Elle or something.
>>36374475>Its funny, but doesn't work because elf grandma wouldn't have tried to marry her son to a half-elf for social upgrade, that doesn't really make sense.My justification, if we were assuming it was a possibility, would be that she didn't know that the assumedly more prominent family would be engaging elfdad to a half-elven bastard from a satellite family. And even if she did, if the family was of a higher status of her own she'd grit her teeth but end up grinning and bearing it.Again, all hypothetical: I personally doubt it's the case, as it would be awfully serendipitous, but it would still make me giggle.>>36374586Not sure if Lann is coming, but if you add Sara then there's six potential party members, plus any assorted critters Lyra discovers on her travels and accidentally pulls into her team via headrubbing.... Has Lyra touched Lann's ears yet? She did do extensive leg touching but that doesn't count because she was asleep and drunk and Lann's legs were nearly broken.>>36374606>>36374626>>36374646I would love to bring Lann along on adventures but I'm not married to it and she is slightly more "normal" than most (even if she's capable of burying a half dozen arrows in a bear in a matter of seconds while riding a charging arachne). She's fun as a guest party member, though.
>>36374709>She's fun as a guest party member, though.She definitly is. I hope we can get her to accompany us on the trip to the city when we make one. She would make a great city guide.
>>36374709>and she is slightly more "normal" than mostForgot to add "of the people Lyra hangs out with" there. Whoops.
>>36374694It already houses 3, one in each eye socket and one below the top of the skull.Which is all we need for an adventure party, + 1 guest member that can rotate if we need a 5th.
>>36374680don't forget"we thought it'd be funny"
Your hand slides up, over your shoulder, catching hers and covering it entirely. Nin breaks from her little trance, look down to your entwining fingers.She blushes almost as easily as you do.You give her hand a little squeeze, smiling up at her- which is something of a new sensation. "There is time, yes? Lots and lots of time."She nods, her antennae bobbing lightly in time with her head."And besides, I am thinking this is more than a single spider job, yes?"Her smile is slow, warm. There's a moment of happiness in her expression, her fingers tightening around yours, her thumb stroking the side of your hand.And then it's gone, her grin splitting, her eyes falling slightly, slyly. "Oh, of course. That is why you'll take the crown! A city needs people, and people need a Queen-""That is not a thing-""There's no need to be shy! It is just-""I am not being shy-""Oh, shush shush shhhh."She presses a finger to your lips, muffling your words as she speaks over you."This is just the beginning! Oh, I am going to need a book- This is history, Lyra."You groan and turn back to your parents, and the giggling moth settles back down, next to your friend. You make for your family, your Dad already next to your mother, more magical lights rising illuminating the room better than your fire could.
>>36374744Sara wouldn't fit on our butt anyway.
>>36374746You let the magic fade as you walk, trying very hard to ignore the conversation behind you."I think Sheszka can be 'The Most Loyal'. Hmmmmm- We need a royal herald though-""What do heralds do, yes?""Ah, They announce the queen, recount stories, that sort of thing.""I can do that, yes. I tell the village all the stories.""Well, that settles it, then."You don't need to look back to know Jin is nodding in time with her counterpart. Sheszka trots up next to you and smiles, and you grin back as you reach your parents."-but what do you think it means?""Honestly, it just looks like any other mural- I understand you're excited because it's the old city, but there's nothing identifying the building. It's probably just art.""Agh. This is a new level of frustrating, yes.""That would be because history isn't something you can smash.""Don't push your luck, you pointy-eared-"You cough."Ah- Lyra?""Are we going down?""It's probably a good idea, dear. We should be able to figure out what the building was below.""Hmmmm-">I can show you to the cavern, yes? >We should probably try mapping a bit- There were a lot of paths.>Should I be leaving you two to your adventure then? It has been a while, yes?>Other (?)
>>36374709>Has Lyra touched Lann's ears yet?Control yourself.
>>36374769>I can show you to the cavern, yes?
>>36374756exactly. Let her do her own thing ffs.>>36374769>I can show you to the cavern, yes?
>>36374769>I can show you to the cavern, yes? Either that or they adventure.Both of these are acceptable.
>>36374769>>I can show you to the cavern, yes?At least introduce them to the old guy. Or give them a head start.>>36374746>She blushes almost as easily as you do.Hee~
>>36374769>>I can show you to the cavern, yes?
>>36374799Thats not what I meant at all. I want Sara to accompany us, she did her own thing already for weeks now.
>>36374769>>I can show you to the cavern, yes? >>We should probably try mapping a bit- There were a lot of paths.
Rolled 43 (1d100)>>36374769> We should probably try mapping a bit- There were a lot of paths.> Father assisted Earth Sense activate!
>>36374769>Should I be leaving you two to your adventure then? It has been a while, yes?
>>36374769>>I can show you to the cavern, yes? >>We should probably try mapping a bit- There were a lot of paths, yes?>>Should I be leaving you two to your adventure then? It has been a while, yes?Yes? Yes.
>>36374746>>36374769>Lyra and Nin holding hands and blushing while whispering comforting words of the future and oaths of how they can't do it alone.The L-lewd, it's so s-strong...
>>36374861no, anon.This is completely innocent and not lewd.You can't lewd with two girls.
>>36374799Eh, honestly, there is no reason for not taking Sara with us. There is only so much she can learn from books. It would be far more interesting for her to get out and see magic in action.She is way too curious to keep to the nest for that long, especially when she can't really experiment with Lyra and Dad gone.
>>36374861I... I don't think that's how lewd works. I think that's how basic human emotional connections work.
>>36374769>I can show you to the cavern, yes? >We should probably try mapping a bit- There were a lot of paths.>She blushes almost as easily as you do.>You give her hand a little squeeze, smiling up at herThe lewd is back!
>>36374861The feels are real. It hurts in a happy way.
>>36374769>I can show you to the cavern, yes? >We should probably try mapping a bit- There were a lot of paths.
>>36374769>>Other (?)Use Tremmor Sense Magic to mental map the place. See if we can find the Big Guy.>Lead Mom and Dad to the Big Guy.
>>36374870Exactly. They haven't started rubbing cheeks yet.
>>36374817And i don't, because her main stated interest is "Books" from the ask.fm.>>36374876She can experiment plenty without us around, the only thing she cant do is trying to get past our antimagic ability.hell it is outright stated that she made progress by experimenting with enchantments.
Showing off the cavern with a bit of tremorsense?Gimme 1d100, and we'll go from there.
Rolled 58 (1d100)>>36375028
Rolled 93 (1d100)>>36375028
>>36375022>hell it is outright stated that she made progress by experimenting with enchantments.Yes, with dad.And her main interest is SCIENCE!Books are just a good source on that for now.
>>36375022She'd join us in a heartbeat if we told her there's books where we're going. Which probably means she'd be ambivalent about journeying deeper into the forest, excited about journeying into more "civilized" areas, and would drag US to the elven lands.
Rolled 82 (1d100)>>36375028Where we're going, we don't need eyes to see
>>36375071>>36375044Nice rolls you two.
>>36375065We just tell her there are other examples of strange magic there. Works just as well as books. She was hyped about the staff we brought her too.
>>36375044>>36375071If you say so dice
>>36375044>>3637507193 dubs.Tremorsense makes us priceless as an adventurer.
>>36375043>>36375044>>36375071That's a 93, then!Writing!
>>36375028Can we have dad give us a bit of extra mana for the job?
>>36375109Earth Sonar has never failed us
>>36375071>>36375044Nin is just going to take our ease of understanding this place as proof of our right to it.
>>36375118Is our Earth sonar just our elemental control or is it magic?
>>36375119We don't need mana for tremorsense anymore.
>>36375135There is literally nothing we could do that she wouldnt twist into queen stuff at this point.ANd I would like to submit the Airship plan once more.Speedy travel!Space for book hoarding lazy spiders!Space for more adventurers/monstersHell, make it big enough and we could have a mobile guild. No training room though. Lyra would put someone through the floor.
>>36375148>>36375118I figure it couldn't hurt, though you could be right about the systems being incompatible. Any final verdict on this one REQM?
>>36375206I don't think its incompatible, we could use earth magic for it too. Would be just pointless since our earth control is better.
>>36375148we never needed it as it is an ability.We used earth magic for the dungeon not our tremorsense.
>>36375206I'm writing it out as the spell- There's a range limit on your earth control, to prevent you from dropping cities into the crust from the other side of the continent.
>>36375197If there is a way to make this acquisition organic within the story, I wouldn't mind. However, I wouldn't care for using our future hacks to just make it because we can. I'd prefer we get the basic idea from someone and improve on it, because I think it makes a bit more sense that way.
>>36375197Building a airship would take months if not longer, it would require resources we simply do not have yet, and do not have the means to aquire. Additionally to Lyra not having the know how necessary for a actual airship.Its a plan for the future, if ever.
I'll be back tomorrow to read the archive, in the mean time, shine on you glorious bastards!
>>36375135"Mom, Dad, this way: these tunnels are a shortcut, and lead to his cavern, yes.""To be expected of the Queen! The earth itself knows that she has come, and tells her its secrets!""No, Nin, that's not-""Lyra is not Queen, she is Alpha. Alpha knows because she is strong.""Sheszka, that's not necessarily t-""Ah ha, but little wolf, proper Queens must be stronger than everyone!""Queens are strong?""Yes.""Alpha is strong. Alpha is Queen.""Yes!""Nin, stop. Please stop putting ideas in her head, Nin. Stop.""Lyra is the strongest Queen, yes.""Et tu, Jin?">>36375327We will shine, yes.
>>36375248Oh so it is magic, cool
>>36375022It has also been stated that Lyra is her favorite "test subject".
>>36375267>>36375254I figure the mountains would provide a way to "organically" discover this sort of flight, if anywhere in the world. The dwarves natural curiosity with fire and earth magic has probably pushed them to a refined edge in architecture and metallurgy. Combine that with our flying cousins in the mountain, and it's likely that at least one person had an accidental discovery of flying over a dwarven vent and suddenly experiencing a huge updraft.Combine Lyra's adventurous desire to keep up with a bit of future knowhow and you could justify the discovery. The materials, would be another matter entirely. Getting something at that scale to fly would also be beyond difficult and time consuming for Lyra's generally short attention span.I figure out absolute best bet is if the dwarves are on friendly enough terms with the arachne to have already refined this discovery into a dwarven weather balloon.
>>36375022>She can experiment plenty without us aroundNot really, without dads assistance there isn't much she can do.And Lyras anti-magic ability is still what interests her the most because it isn't in any book. Which is probably the only thing better than stuff in books to Sara, stuff that isn't in her books.
>>36375254>>36375267If we adventure long enough, sooner or later we'll want to cross a great ocean or reach some sky islands. Then is the time for an airship!Buy a little sloop, making a propella and rudder with our metalbending and forging skills would be easy. Powered by a wind stone or something.Spend a few weeks weaving a fuckhuge balloon and inflate it with a fire stone.We air spider!
>>36375445The main problem with the airship would be it would avoid all adventure. Travelin on foot has way more adventure potential than flying over everything.
>>36375485>Spend a few weeks weaving a fuckhuge balloon and inflate it with a fire stone.Thats not even remotly enough to make a airship.A balloon, yes, a airship requires a lot more than that.
>>36375497Yah, it's why airhips are usually lategame things.
>>36375497Nah, the point is to use it to reach MORE adventure. When we find something we can't reach by land or sea (or would just be a reaaaly long boring journey) we take to the air!
>>36375525Did you not read the rest of the post?
>>36375554Yeah sure, once we explored this continent, we can make a airship.But thats, a long time away.
>>36375497I tend to agree with you. There's a reason why the airship always crashes in pretty much every story.Anyway, I'm not huge on the idea, despite my long blurb. I'm much more happy with us making minimal use of whatever future knowledge we may possess and operating like a standard adventurer. I just imagine that people are going to want to begin keeping far too many people too close to our chest, and at that time, it's much easier for REQM to have a place they can be doing things.Granted our ADD approach to life in trying to do all the things all the time, I imagine that even a nearby city won't keep our soon to be hordes in close enough proximity for Lyra to not leave them in the dust.
>>36375571Unless we find sky islands or something.
>>36375351>Trip droppedyou know, you can use two different browsers. Post in this thread in firefox, use chrome to browser the rest of 4chanor use different flavors, like palemoon (64bit firefox build with speed optimizations) or one of the dozen chromium flavors.that way you won't need to drop and readd your trip all the time just to post in other threads
>>36375592Thats, not impossible. But a balloon would work for that too. Way less work.A airship is really only sensible if we need to spend a lot of time on it.
>>36375592And we can't reach it as some sort of giant burning spider or Jin can't carry us up there. For the record, still hoping we can develop the skills for making ourselves a giant magma spider body to go outside of our normal sized body. We could do the same thing with metal and call ourselves Spider Gundam.
>>36375599I dont think thats reqm
>>36375633Once we are Asura Spider, we just jump up there.
>>36375666People keep throwing that term around, but I am not sure what it really means. What do you picture as Asura spider? The video game character from Asura's wrath? The goddess?
>>36375599I'm, uh, I'm not REQM. Not at all.
>>36375692Asuras is a term for a group of "deities" not a single one.But besides that, they mean the videogame character.With the four arms and all that.
>that blushing promiseHow long's tonight's thread going to go? The art urge is strong
>>36375758Do it anyway.
>>36375692The original joke that spawned is was about a evolution with multiple arms for maximum-petting potential.It just rolled from there with the fire abilities and all that.
>>36375770I have a night class that's important to me... I would art in the middle but it would be super noticeable. If the thread isn't over in 4.5 hours I'll have something.
>>36375791Good to know. I'd almost pick that sort of four handed evolution as a double lord type, unarmed variant evolution path, though hard core metal or earth manipulation could give us more fist-like objects to hit people with. That's kind of what I would like to gun for, that being a more fluid grasp of earth and metal manipulation until we can do just about anything with it on a moment's notice.
>>36375791don't we already have 8 appendeges? or 10 if our human arms don't replace any of the spiderlegs?
>>36375842It usually runs to at least 8est, I think? And the thread itself will be around till 10 ish, before it drops off
>>36375906I don't want any more appendages.Also, multi-arm looks kinda dumb.
>>36375906Our legs aren't good for petting.They're absurdly sharp and lethal spears.
>>36375936And even then you can always give the art to REQM via ask.fm or something.
>>36375906Currently we only have 10 limbs.Clearly we need more. So many heads to pat, ears to scratch, anteni to squeeze!
>>36375941>Not wanting to be able to pet Nin, Jin and Sheszka while hugging Sara at the same time
>>36375954It never ceases to surprise me how few drawfriends have jumped on the bandwagon for this one. Guess they've just got too many other quests on their hands right now.
>>36375953Maybe we could put socks with soft little shoes/gloves at the end over them?
Map-anon here, I'll hopefully have the tweaks to the map done by the next thread. If anyone has a good tree icon it would be greatly appreciated.
>>36375995or get an evolution that replaces "sharp spear spiderlegs" with "8 spider arms"
>>36375984Honestly, I don't like the focuses on headpatting and all that either.
>>36376011Now that would be just eerie. Imagine all our legs ending in hands.
>>36376011That is even worse than growing more arms.
>>36376011certainly fucking not.That would be horrible.
>>36376011Absolutely not. The legs stay.
>>36376011That's honestly creepy.
>>36376018The joke came up over a dozen threads ago. The headpatting got a bit inflationary between then and now. I personally like the idea because I like fisticuffs, and we got absurdly lethal hands.
>>36376011stop trying to turn this into headpat quest.I like headpats but there is a fucking limit, if shit like this continues to be suggested it makes me want them far less.
>>36376059we don't need four arms to have fisticuffs.They'd actually make our fisticuff abilities much worse, if biomechanics are put into play at all
>>36376078Which they clearly aren't, so it doesn't matter.
>>36376076You honestly think the absurdly creepy "arms instead of legs" suggestion was meant serious?Really?Imagine what that would look like for a second.
"I can, ah, probably show you the cavern, yes?"Your mother cocks an eyebrow."That was a very hesitant probably, little one."You shrug."There was more than a few paths, yes? I think it might go everywhere beneath the ruins.""How did you find your way before?""I followed the dust on the ground, yes. And left webs to mark the way back."Mom and Dad share a glance, before they look back at the descending stairs in sync.Nin giggles."I can try the earth magic again- Like I used on the dungeon. Maybe?""It is worth a shot, yes?"Mom pokes Dad forwards, and you can feel the mana beginning to form as he holds out an open hand. You reach forwards, inhaling slowly as you pull the magic into your hands, letting it swirl in the air before you. You shut your eyes, even your breath, and squeeze your hand into a fist, tightening as you let the spell fly loose, whispering the words you need.The ground beneath you thrums in time with your heartbeat, and you can see the tunnels beneath you unfold, layering over one another, hundreds of strands beneath the ruined surface. Some stop short, collapses, others simply drop into nothing- The effect is dizzying.There's too many, far too many. Your brow tightens as you focus, trying to bring the information under control. You start from yourself. The stairs.The path below. The feeling of the flow of water. Twisting, turning. The cavern.You let out a breath you weren't aware you were holding."I have it. One path, anyway- There are far, far too many below, yes.""Too many?""Hundreds- I could not even- It was too much."
>>36376011I don't see what the problem is.
>>36376011Guys, I was joking, and I pretty sure so was the guy I replied toI don't really want to get an evolution that replaces our 8 spider sword legs with creepy ass arms.
>>36376114Dad strokes his chin, brushing his fingers through stubble."It's a useful spell, in any case. Maybe if you could work it through an enchantment- On paper! Or a piece of metal or stone- a map that forms as you move-"He's already pulling a book free from his bag, a quill pen practically appearing in his hands.Mom taps your shoulder."He gets like this, yes? Ignore him."She gestures to the stairs, and you nod, taking the first step down._________________________________________________________"-All these channels- A sewer, maybe? Or something to bring water to peoples homes? Running water to a whole city- The dwarves have something like it for money, but-""But it's for money, yes. What about the elves, then?""Magic, magic everywhere. For the most part. Spirit stones, or just enchantments. If everyone had the same things, the nobles wouldn't have anything to brag about."Mom laughs."Lyra, little one. Anything ahead?"You shake your head.Hopefully she can see you through the crowd on your back. Sheszka and Dad both abandoned the floor when you reached the flooded corridor. There was some awkward shuffling on your back, but Nin settled for sitting behind you, cross-legged with her back against yours."The cavern is close, yes? This is where I met him."Both parents fall quiet as the hall opens up. The collapsed stone, the running water. You can hear the river in the distance as you clatter down the rubble.There's an odd sense of deja vu as you move, but there's no centipede thing to greet you. Thankfully.>He came from the river, I think.>This is where we spoke, yes.>There is a way back into the ruins over there, but it would take some work before we would fit.>Other (?)
>>36376110>Imagine what that would look like for a second.it would look like a hilarious Japanese mythological monster, its one of the things you fight in okami
>>36376110Yours was obviously not, but some other do take the less extreme ones seriously, i have seen it ruin quests before.
>>36376076>>36376059I think it will fade a bit as the girls grow up. Not go away, just become a smaller part.The sol threads between adventures aren't going to go away
>>36376135>>This is where we spoke, yes.I have no idea if he came from the river.
>>36376078>, if biomechanics are put into play at allWe are a humanoid torso attached to the body of a againt spider, where normally the spiders head would be.That should answer that concern.>>36376135>He came from the river, I think.>This is where we spoke, yes.
>>36376135I wonder...>Other (?)Try to use our earth senses to pick up the vibrations of our giant spider friend as he walks around. Surely his size is big enough he'd make some pretty big vibrations with each step, right?
>>36376135>>This is where we spoke, yes.>"-All these channels- A sewer, maybe? Or something to bring water to peoples homes? Running water to a whole city- The dwarves have something like it for money, but-"Lyra's modern knowledge of plumbing could be of use...
>>36376135>>This is where we spoke, yes.
>>36376160anon, you don't need to point out that biomechanics aren't in play.It just needed to be pointed out how silly more arms =better fistfighting is as an argument.
>>36376151It has already become less in the last few quests.It was a joke for a while, and its going to come up now and again, there is no issue with that.It was just a little too often for a time, but that was already several threads ago.
>>36376135>He came from the river, I think.>This is where we spoke, yes.>There is a way back into the ruins over there, but it would take some work before we would fit.you could probably fit all of this into one sentence.
>>36376078>Science>In a magic setting where the gods bless you in your sleep and you magically "evolve" in a way that would make darwin eat his own beard
>>36376135> This is where we spoke, yes.> He may have come from the river.> For us to follow, I may be able to clear some of the rubble, but it will take some time, and I wonder of the wisdom of opening closed doors.> He said there were monsters, yes.
>>36376179Its not silly at all. More arms means more things to punch with.It makes perfect sense if we don't take biomechanics into account.
>>36376135>He came from the river, I think.>This is where we spoke, yes.
>>36376166I guess this sounds like a good idea. Supporting.
>>36376135>He came from the river, I think.>This is where we spoke, yes.>There is a way back into the ruins over there, but it would take some work before we would fit.
>>36376213Not really.I mean, you don't start strapping more swords to your head when you want more stabbing.
>>36376166might as well
>>36376135>>36376160>>36376166Supporting this.It might not work, since there might be things smaller but heavier than him, but its worth a try.
>>36376251And that's not even considering how the aesthetics would suck so bad.I mean, who LIKES the multi-arm look even?
is there still a kobold tribe here? do they still do slave trading? we might need to subjugate them to make that stop
>>36376251>you don't start strapping more swords to your headBecause you can't really wielde swords strapped to your head? That comparison doesn't work at all.Its more, you don't take up a additional weapon if you only have one sword.And, yeah, people do that.
>>36376135>Other (?)Use tremor sense to check for foot steps of giant spiders.
>>36376281I don't think we've actually seen them or the lizardmen in quite some time.
>>36376251>I mean, you don't start strapping more swords to your head when you want more stabbing.That comparison makes no sense at all. Like, whatsoever.The issue with strapping a sword to your head is that you can't really fight with a sword that strapped to your head.A limitation that doesn't exist for a additional set of arms, which works just as well as the first pair you got.
>>36376166This has my support as well, it would be cool to see him.
>>36376294The comparison works pretty well.Want more stabbing? strap swords to your shit.Want more punching? strap arms to your shit.Or you could just, you know, not try to insert asura's wrath into the quest. Given they are completely different things in genre, tone, and general atmosphere.
>>36376281I dont think they actually "live" in the ruins.They probably just have it connected with tunnels to the whole underground system.
>>36376279He may or may not be a fan of pic related.
>>36376326>>Other (?)>Use tremor sense to check for foot steps of giant spiders.Forgot the vote.
>>36376320>>36376294>A limitation that doesn't exist for a additional set of arms, which works just as well as the first pair you got.Why are you using biomechanics as a "you can't wield swords on your head idiot" argument, when biomechanics also state you can't use multiple arms like that properly because they'd be put on all retard style?Either you accept things stuck on the spider retard style working, or you don't do the retard style.
>>36376135>He came from the river, I think.>This is where we spoke, yes.I'm against the last one on the basis that this place is not meant to keep us out, but to keep whatever is in here in, and opening more paths can and will cause trouble.
So this is where history started!Also, tremorsense? Y/N?
>>36376364I could take it or leave it.
>>36376320>A limitation that doesn't exist for a additional set of arms.it does actually exists. that is the whole biomechanics things. its just a lot less obvious that you can't use an extra set of arms in such a manner.Also, such extra arms usually burst out of your ribs where they have no reason being. rather then another set of shoulders.Also, most proper melee combat is done with the entire body rather than just an arm in a vacuum.
>>36376364Yes? Is there anything to lose?
>>36376364Y, that might help us find the guy.
>>36376329>The comparison works pretty well.>Want more stabbing? strap swords to your shit.>Want more punching? strap arms to your shit.Okay, calm down for a second anon, and you will realise why that doesn't make any sense.You don't "strap" the arms to anything. You just get a second set, whhich works just as well as the other set you are already using.You don't wield swords with your head, because you can't properly move the sword like that. While your additional arms aren't any less suable than the ones you already have.You don't "strap" them to anything.
>>36376364>So this is where history started!I don't get thisalsoY
Alright then, writing!
>>36376396getting a second set of arms on our torso is literally strapping arms on there.Otherwise it would no longer be even similar to a human torso, as it would have to be entirely reconfigured to have four limbs.If you want to strap extra arms on, I want to strap extra swords on.
>>36376352Because the problem with strapping a sword to your head, is that you can't move your head as much as your arms?While you can use the arms just as well as your other arms.
>>36376423And you can't move any of your arms as much as your head if you had four of them.If you want to bring biomechanics into it to talk about how shitty using headswords is, don't get mad when people point out how shitty multiarms is.
>>36376352>biomechanics>Implying that means anythingWe're a fucking magic Arachne. You think a creature like that is physically possible?We exist because magic. Our body works because magic.If we did get an evolution with extra arms, it would work because magic.
>>36376423>While you can use the arms just as well as your other arms.No, you can't. you need to completely redesign the human torso and arm in order to do that. that is literally what people have been telling you, repeatedly.
>>36376412You are really grasping now anon just because you don't like a thing.You don't need to like it, but pretending another set of arms has the same usability as a sword on your head is just beyond silly.
>>36376440>you can't use headswords because that doesn't make sense!>but my not making sense thing is okay because magic!I didn't realize we were talking about how shitty wizards were in D&D
>>36376441There is more than one anon telling you guys you are being stupid right now.Biomechanics doesn't enter the picture here, the way you move your arms and the way you use your head do.
>>36376445They actually have significantly less usability in a realistic scenario, and exactly as much usability if we're going with a "it just works" stance.At least you can headbutt with headswords. extra arms would just pop off as they don't fit on there.
>>36376440Then how come we can't feel the magic animating the impossible bodies and spellbreak people like that?we could for skeletons and zombies because they were impossible things made possible by magic. disrupt he spell and they fall downwe could for the golems as well>>36376468I actually posted on both "sides", correcting people when they are wrong or clarifying. I don't feel vested in either "side" and even if I did, I would still correct idiots on my side who say something stupid
>driving this thread into autosage inb4 >anon has bitched about evolutions since the dawn of re:monster quest
>>36376459There is a difference between making sense and consistency.The problem with having multiple arms is the way it would need to connect to your torso, which can easily be handwaved just as much as the way our upper body connects to our thorax in non-sensical ways.Strapping a sword to your head, would require your head to move completly different froma regular one, which we know it doesnt.
>>36376459Let's not have system wars in the middle of the thread, please. Anon thinks mutli-arms are cool and functional. Other anons don't agree with that sentiment. This difference in opinion is perfectly fine, but shouldn't eat up a large chunk of the thread.
>>36376482>in a realistic scenarioBut it is anot a realistic scenario.Our body already attaches random limbs in ways that don't actually work. While our head isn't anymore capable of sword wiedling than a regular one.So additional arms work within the established premise, while head-swords don't.
>>36376500Both of those things require the respective parts to work completely different from regular parts in non-sensical ways.Please attend to the internal consistency of your argument before insisting your four arms thing is super effective and not just a thing you think looks cool.
>>36376482extra arms would severely limit motion range. for example, if you had rib-arms you could not perform a haymaker punch with your shoulder arms>>36376500>Extra arms can easily be handwaved>Head motion cannotNo, extra arms and head motion are equally silly to handwave. you can, absolutely, handwave them both and say "magic" or "not human alien".But your insistance that the arms are somehow less silly is born of your own ignorance on how arms work
>>36376535>Both of those things require the respective parts to work completely different from regular partsThe difference being that we already KNOW our body attaches limbs in non-sensical ways, just as we know our head doesn't move different, one thing works already and the other doesn't.
>>36376531>But it is anot a realistic scenario.He clearly meant plausiblePeople confuse the two often because in non fiction the two are indistinguishable. But in fantasy the term plausible or internally consistent should be used instead.
>>36376542>born of your own ignorance on how arms workWe had established that biomechanics aren't applicable in this discussion, why do you keep trying to bring biomechanics into it?The head motion thing doesn't work because we know our head doesn't move like that.The arm thing can work, because we know our body can internally attach limbs in non-sensical ways.
>>36376551>The difference being that we already KNOW our body attaches limbs in non-sensical ways,That is not true. our limbs work just as sensibly as our head does.A torso is not a limb. and honestly, we do NOT know that our torso/spiderbutt connection is nonsensical, as it has never been elaborated on in detail. its just a "there" thing.
>>36376542The solution is clear: We grow additional arms... on our head.
>>36376589>we do NOT know that our torso/spiderbutt connection is nonsensicalSeriously anon, this is a thing your are going to mdo now? Pretend it can totally make sense how our torso replaces the head of a spider? I think this is the point where we end this conversation, because we entered the realm of reaching REALLY hard.
>>36376551>we KNOW our body attaches limbs in non-sensical waysActually, we don't. It could very well make sense.There's nothing STOPPING a human torso from working on a spider body, assuming the internal wiring is right.There's tons of things stopping a human torso from having extra arms, assuming the internal wiring is right, because the SHAPES DO NOT FIT TOGETHER.
>>36376279I think the idea of a four armed torso on a spider lower body to be really cool, as long as it's Asura style arms and not, say, a smaller secondary pair protruding from the join between the human torso and the spider parts.
>>36376605>reaching really hardSays the guy who's all about how much 4 arms makes complete sense and doesn't look retarded at all you guys.Further, I'm insulted at your outright disregarding of previous discussion on how human torso on spider torso might work.
>>36376674That discussion had made pretty clear it doesn't work at all because the different muscles would interfere unless we assume some kind of magical special hybrid system in the back.And don't drag my beloved spider muscle discussion into the stupid shit you guys go going here.
>>36376581>>>You: Head biomechanics must be adhered to>>>You: Arms biomechanics don't apply because magic>>Me: you can, absolutely, handwave them both and say "magic" or "not human alien".>>Me: But your insistance that the arms are somehow less silly is born of your own ignorance on how arms work>We had established that biomechanics aren't applicable in this discussion,1. I was explicitly NOT arguing in favor of adherence to biomechanics. I was calling you out on insisting that we adhere to head biomechanics while ignoring arm biomechanics1. nobody established this. you stated it and people disagreed. see >>36376497
>>36376698>magical hybrid systemFuck you, that system could easily work without any magic whatsoever.Fuck you and your insistence everything is always magical.
>>36376698>A half spider half human won't work unless we assume some special hybrid system instead of just gluing a 100% spider to a 100% humanwhat is wrong with a special hybrid system?obviously the pipework has to be restructured for such a creature.
>>36376739 cont.oh and as >>36376722 said. that hybrid system need not be magic.
>>36376700No head biomechanics aren't the reason why strapping a sword to it is a stupid idea. Its a stupid idea for the same reason you don't strap a sword to your arm. Because it limits the range of movement, you can't properly wield a sword strapped to your head regardless of how much you can move it.While additional arms function like additional arms.
>>36376722>that system could easily work without any magic whatsoever.No anon, no it couldn'tAny hypothetical system we would devise there, would not work anything like how Lyras body works.There is a way to make hydraulic muscles and muscle fibers work together, but not like Lyras body does it.>>36376739>what is wrong with a special hybrid system?Nothing at all, only that it wouldn't work like Lyras body.
>>36376698Could you provide the baseline points from that discussion, or a link to it? /tg/ science is generally pretty interesting. /tg/ does debate tends to run more along the lines of the "You're a Towel" side of argumentation.
>>36376761Actually, additional arms are exactly as stupid as strapping swords to yourself, for the range of movement reasons you have cited.
>>36376789>Any hypothetical system we would devise there, would not work anything like how Lyras body works.What do you mean by that? The only thing we know about our internal organs are that they are internal.That we produce web from our butt, and venom from our fangs. and food goes into the mouth hole
>>36376789Who the fuck are you to say "oh, it certainly doesn't work like that"?A hybrid system with hydraulic muscles and stretchy fine tuning muscles could very easily work without any magic assistance at all. Other than, maybe, to set such a system up in the first place.For all we could know, that's exactly how lyra works, as the muscular system discussion was based entirely around explaining how lyra does the things she does without falling into "lol magic".
>>36376761>biomechanics aren't the reason>Because it limits the range of movementI don't think you quite understand what the word biomechanics means if you think "limited range of movement" has nothing to do with biomechanics.
>>36376790The discussion back then was basically this. One anon liked the idea that Lyras entire body uses hydraulic muscles to explain her upper bodys inhuman strength, to which it was pointed out that hydraulic muscles couldn't move the limbs like a human body does, so we would need both.I can't find the thread right now, but it was part of the muscle girl argument we had at some point.
>>36376789How would such a system work, in your opinion? Is there any sort of specific natural case you would be citing?
>>36376846The problem isn't with your head, its with the "strapping" part. A sword you hold, is obviously more mobile then one "strapped to".
>>36376850not that guy, but in previous discussion, the hydraulic musculature systems of insects and spiders were brought up.This, if applied to the human torso, would mean lyra's upper body and arms have the full strength of her legs, as they are all powered by the same central muscle in the torso.
>>36376848How does hydraulic muscle typically activate differently than the sinew pulley system that defines our own musculature? I've seen a hydraulically driven robot arm using air bladders (cool, yet freaky), but I'm not sure how it inherently differs besides probably needing some sort of exoskeleton to function.
Nobody is arguing against people holding additional arms in their hands, either.We are arguing that strapping additional arms would get in the way of all sorts of movement ranges, make fisticuffs much more difficult, and most importantly, look really dumb. Our design is already FAR too busy.
>>36376826>A hybrid system with hydraulic muscles and stretchy fine tuning muscles could very easily work without any magic assistance at all.No it wouldn't. Hydraulic muscles pull the limbs, while humanoid muscles work by the muscle fibres contracting, any time the hydrualic muscles move, they would pull at the fibres and interfere with the contraction.
>>36376848interesting.its worth mentioning that the human body already has several different types of muscle. and some animals have more.http://www.innerbody.com/image/musfov.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle#Types_of_tissueVisceral/smooth, cardiac, and skeletal.And those are further divided into white and red muscle
>>36376896>hydraulics pull the limbs>muscle fibres work by contractingAnon, do you know that pulling and contracting are the same thing?And are you aware the discussion from previous threads already covered how the stretchy muscles are only there to control fine movement, and are stretchy so as to get out of the way when the hydraulics are active?
>>36376700Guess where you are on the chart.
>>36376872>The problem isn't with your head, its with the "strapping" part.we know, literally nobody is talking about this but you>A sword you hold, is obviously more mobile then one "strapped to".>obviously more mobileAnd why is it obviously more mobile? the explanation of specifically why it is more mobile is known as "biomechanics"
>>36376874It was pointed out in that discussion how and why it can't work like that.>>36376850There is no precedent for such a system. It possible in "theory", in sofar that you might be able to set up a system like that, but its completly in the realm of things that could maybe work.The issue is keeping the pull of the hydraulic muscles from stopping the fibers contraction. Which would mean you would need something somewhere in the place between the two systems that stopps that.At best by just completly keeping the muscles systems apart.
>>36376953>it was pointed out how and why it can't work like thatNot really, it was actually generally agreed it could work like that very easily.May produce some jittery movement assuming it was poorly made hydraulics, but otherwise it would work A-OK. We just moved away from that because dual system was cooler and allowed for musclegirls.
>>36376953Is there anything to stop the spider body from having humanoid styled muscles?
>>36376916>Anon, do you know that pulling and contracting are the same thing?No its not at all.Pulling is when one thing drags another closer to it, while contraction is something becoming smaller and more dense.
>>36376953At this point, you're just reaching.We've thoroughly discussed how these systems would work and make sense, and you're assuming people haven't read previous threads when you state it can't work like that.
>>36376975no, and in fact it should.there is no reason for the internal organs to be "spider in the spider part and human in the human part"also, human muscles are more practical for certain things at the sizes involved.
>>36376975The idea was that hydraulic muscles allow for greater exertion of force, which was supposed to explain how Lyras humanoid torso is so inhumanly strong.>>36376993No, we haven't, the discussion wasn't even that extensive, stop making this shit up.
>>36376982Please read up on how muscles work.They contract, becoming smaller and more dense, in order to have the effect of PULLING on our bones.>>36376995>>36376975>anything to stop spider body from having human musclesIt would be much weaker than current lyra exploits demonstrate?And the muscles don't really fit in spider legs properly?
>>36376974>May produce some jittery movementWhich was exactly the reason why we said it wouldnt work in that thread, because Lyra has shown no issue with fine control.
>>36376995It was a point of idle curiosity on my part. I'm not sure if the carapace would be unable to handle the contraction/expansion of the muscle in the same way. However, I am a materials and mechanical engineer. Bloody bits aren't exactly my forte.
>>36377015>of PULLING on our bones.Yes, but hydraulic muscles don't do that which is the point. If the hydraulic muscles are connected to the contracting fibers, it would obviously hinder the contracting, since hydraulic muscles only pull.
>>36377009>the thing we've thoroughly discussed and come to a conclusion on is wrong because I didn't read it and I really want four armsWe've already been over full explanations for how hydraulics would work. The only actual downside was a SUPPOSED jitteriness of movement, as >>36377021says.Which may or may not even be there at all, and was just taken for granted because we didn't want to argue for hours on end about how jittery exactly biological hydraulics are.it's not very much
>>36376930Its pretty ironic that posting the chart itself is an act of ad-hominem.You never really made an argument. You just stated that biomechanics must apply to A and not to B, because you said so.This is not an argument, and as such it cannot so much be refuted as pointed at and laughed at
>>36377045Lets not get into the pretension area here. We didn't "thoroughly" discuss it. It was a few anons throwing ideas back and forth for a few dozen posts.
>>36377051You're an ad hominem.
>>36377015>>36377039You are assuming a lack of internal skeleton inside the spider body.it can have both an internal skeleton and a carapace simultaneously, since she isn't actually an IRL spideralso, since gods have been confirmed in that setting, we actually do have intelligent design
>>36377043No it wouldn't?There is absolutely no reason hydraulics would hinder the standard pulling movements of the human body. The only thing you'd lose out on is the "flex" effect where you get huge muscles when you contract, if the connection points are set up properly.Which is the primary reason the secondary muscle system was brought up. Gotta have dem musclegirls.
>>36377089Oh snap! Someone just got... wait, what are we doing?
>>36377098Actually, bones would just make them not-fit-right even more in the arachnid thing.>>36376930
>>36377039The main issue is that human muscle fibers don't really work with a exoskeleton.For similar, but opposite, reasons why hydraulic muscles don't work that well with a internal skeleton.Now if Lyras spider body HAS a internal skeleton, somehow, that would be different, but I doubt it.
>>36377128Why did you link the pyramid there?
>>36377118That's the point.
>>36377051>You just stated that biomechanics must apply to A and not to B, because you said so.And now you're applying a Strawman. Aren't you cleaver.Please link a post where anyone (other than you) said that. Seriously. Did someone else say that and I missed it?
>>36377135actually, hydraulics work pretty well with an internal skeleton.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTM6Zik_tww
You take a few more steps, and stop, looking onto the shadows of the cavern, towards the rushing sound of water. This is it. "Here.""Hah?""This is where he was, yes. I fought a centipede. Or something like it- and I left, following the trail. And when we came back... Seranthis was here. Eating the monster."The floor still has marks- If you didn't know what you were looking for, you'd never see it, just accepting it as the rough stone floor. But there is twin scores along the ground, one set for each leg. You let your leg step into one of the furrows- Even as big as you've grown, even one of the claws...You close your eyes and lean back, feeling the ground beneath you, the water ahead, the ruins behind. Your awareness expands like a bubble, and you can feel the tremors, the water dripping, the slow movement of the earth like it was your skin. You search for the thundering steps, the tearing claws of a spider taller than trees, but there isn't anything there. At least as far as you can feel.Your eyes slide open again, and you watch as your mother and father explore around you, each watching the other's back cautiously as they move."This isn't part of the city, yes. A collapse, maybe?""It seems likely. You said that the queen did all this?""It's what is passed down, yes."Dad pauses, standing straighter as he looks all around."It's hard to imagine what kind of magic could do all this. The highest level of spells? Something like what Lyra can do now?""They said she shook mountains with her steps, yes.""That sounds more like myth than history, though."Mom shrugs."A spider taller than a tree sounds like myth as well, but our daughter met him. It is hard to say."Both look at you as she speaks, and you grab the lull in conversation for yourself.
>>36377176"There is a place above, yes? Where it started.""What started?"You wave around you, trying to encompass the ruins themselves."All of the, the this, yes? The ruins. There is a circle, a perfect circle, and beyond that the ground is broken."Mom looks around, to the fallen corridor you squeezed through weeks ago. And a fair amount of height and spider size ago."I am thinking we cannot go any further now, yes? Dear, will you remember the path?"Dad nods."You can rely on me for that, at least."They smile at each other in a way that tells you the nest will be a few people short tonight. That's your cue!"Shall we go back, then?""Hmm, yes. I think that would be a good idea, little one."Yup, she didn't even look at you as she said that.Is ruins exploring why you have so many siblings?You turn back to the broken corridor, picking your way up the slick stones. Let's just not think about that, yes?_________________________________________________________The ruins are far, far too large, and it is a pain.The sun is low in the sky by the time you emerge onto the surface, red fading into purple overhead.That puts a bit of a damper on the days activities. Mostly by virtue of the day being over.>Make for the nest for now. Food and plans await.>A little running, and you could spend the night in the village. You wouldn't even have to pretend you don't notice your parents sneaking out.>You could grab dinner and show Nin to the waterfall. It's something to do, anyway.>Other (?)
>>36377163see the start of this whole argument, where idiots were arguing you can't use swords on your head because it wouldn't work right while simultaneously arguing for multiarms>>36376294
>>36377106If the hydraulic muscles pull at the muscle fibers from one direction, that would obviously interfere with the muscle fibers contractin.UNles, of course, we have a hybrid system in which we have something between those muscle systems that prevents that. Which was why we said we need a hybrid system last time.The idea was, that something translating the exerted force of the hydraulic muscles in the thorax could be translated over the backmuscles, leading to greater upper body strength, at least in the arms.That sounds nice in theory, in practice however, such a system would have a lot of problems, and wouldn't actually explain Lyras massive strength, since the main issue is that it wouldn't explain how her human muscles handle the stress.
>>36377199>>Make for the nest for now. Food and plans await.Sharing and sleeping
>>36377199>A little running, and you could spend the night in the village. You wouldn't even have to pretend you don't notice your parents sneaking out.The sooner Jin and Nin can spread word of Lyra's exploits, the better.
>>36377219A. a pure hydraulic system would work just fine, and probably wouldn't be jittery at all. We just assume jitteriness forB. we need secondary muscles to have musclegirls.We've already discussed time and time again that to handle the additional stress of hydraulics, all the human muscles would need to do is stretch. Something extremely common in nature. Hell, humans -standardly- have stretchy muscles, and are encouraged to stretch them even further regularly.
>>36377171Thats not "working very well" compared to what a living creature would need in movement.Its not that it doesn't work, its just not as good as fibers.>>36377199>Make for the nest for now. Food and plans await.
>>36377199>You could grab dinner and show Nin to the waterfall. It's something to do, anyway.
>>36377199>>A little running, and you could spend the night in the village. You wouldn't even have to pretend you don't notice your parents sneaking out.That way we can show Lann and Nin the waterfall at the same time.
>>36377199> "Mom, there is a friend, I have met. She is a half elf, yes, and she would like to visit, and I would like her to meet my family. Can I bring her tomorrow?"> Activate Scuba Spider
>>36377199>>Make for the nest for now. Food and plans await.
>>36377261>a mechanical arm made of toothpicks and a syringe doesn't work as well as a natural creatureGEE YA THINK?The point stands that it works, and if used in biology, would have significantly more refinement. See: actual insects having extreme control over speed and limb location.
>>36377251>to handle the additional stress of hydraulics, all the human muscles would need to do is stretchAnd as we said last time, if the human muscles would be more stretchy to avert the stress, it would negate the actual gain since then only very little force would actually be transmitted.
>>36377199>A little running, and you could spend the night in the village. You wouldn't even have to pretend you don't notice your parents sneaking out.>You could grab dinner and show Nin to the waterfall. It's something to do, anywaygrab some dinner, show Nin the falls, then head over to Jin's house for the night to not only make sure her mother doesn't hunt us down but also to let Nin experience sleeping in a human home. Then we can show her the rest of the village proper tomorrow. and We'll actually be awake because we won't have to hear our parents practicing the monster mash.
>>36377163>Hurr strawmanif I had made a strawman, then how come it took you 6 posts to point it out when I explicitly stated this same so called strawman in each and every one?>Link to where I said sofirst in >>36376500>The problem with having multiple arms is the way it would need to connect to your torso, which can easily be handwavedaka>Biomechanics doesn't apply to arms>Strapping a sword to your head, would require your head to move completly different froma regular one, which we know it doesnt.aka>Biomechanics applies to headthen in >>36376581>The head motion thing doesn't work because we know our head doesn't move like that.>head doesn't move like that.biomechanics of the head>The arm thing can work, because we know our body can internally attach limbs in non-sensical ways.biomechanics don't apply to arms.>why do you keep trying to bring biomechanics into it?I am not. As I explicitly stated.YOU keep on brining up the head biomechanics. Only you insist that it is totally 100% NOT biomechanics of the head, its just>how heads work, biologically and mechanically speaking.>But totally not biomechanics gaizI am calling you out on insisting we adhere to head biomechanics while ignoring arm biomechanicsI am calling you out on insisting that head biomechanics are not biomechanics because you said so.
>>36377290actually, that was pretty much disregarded.There's no reason for "only very little force" to be transmitted.
>>36377251>We've already discussed time and time againStop saying that shit, we had this discussion exactly once.And if you had actually participated in it you would remember why > all the human muscles would need to do is stretchDoesn't work.
>>36377314But it does work.Anons who disagree with it give no actual explanation, as per>>36377290They say "it wouldn't do well!" but don't actually say why, because there is no real reason.
>>36377199>Make for the nest for now. Food and plans await.Have to ask mom if Lann can come with us to the waterfall
>>36377311No it wasn't.If the muscles stretch more, less force is exerted on the actual bones to move.Thats plain logic.
>>36377199>>You could grab dinner and show Nin to the waterfall. It's something to do, anyway.
>>36377199>>Other (?)hunt a big scary monster, its been a while.
>>36377341Which wouldn't be a problem at all for fine-manipulation tasks.And also wouldn't be a problem for brute force tasks, as the other musculature system does that.So, in effect, you agree they work.
>>36377201>people smarter than me were arguing you can't use swords on your head because it wouldn't work rightFTFYHas fuck all to do with the points you brought up. Unless you're arguing for a prehensile giraffe neck or something, strapping swords to our head would be retardedly pointless.Not even arguing for the addition of extra arms. Just pointing out that it's a stupid comparison.
>>36377330>They say "it wouldn't do well!" but don't actually say why, because there is no real reason.It explicitly says why it wouldn't work well, because more stretchy muscles means less force actually transmitted to the bones through the pull.
>>36377368>the entire argument went over my headWell, that's good to know. Enjoy hypocritically applying biomechanics to one thing and not another.
>>36377359>So, in effect, you agree they work.The problem isn't "do they work".If you had payed attention to the referenced discussion, you would know the question was "would it explain Lyras greater strength".And it wouldn't which is the point.
>>36377368>I am smarter than youthe irony, it burns
>>36377370I guess it's real handy that, if you were actually reading posts in the thread mentioned, you'd see the stretchy muscles are for fine movement and not heavy lifting then, huh?It seems the only problems with the design are from people who stopped reading midway through to talk about how much they disagree.>>36377397>and it wouldn'tBut it explicitly does. The hydraulics have monstrous strength, and the stretchy muscles, as you have already rode on about multiple times, exert very little force.They'd exert very little in the way of stopping the hydraulics, leaving them... monstrously strong.
>>36377359>And also wouldn't be a problem for brute force tasksBut there is no other musculature system. We have one in the thorax and one in the upper body. And the upper body one would need to be different to accomodate the different working of the one in the thorax.Everything done with our upper body is done with its musculature system, which MAY be aided by the one in the thorax.But HOW it can do so, is the question, and more stretchy muscles wouldn't do that, since it would fail at the basic premise, which is greater force.
>>36377452>no other musculature systemThe entire fucking premise of this conversation is based on a hydraulic musculature system, and whether or not it is augmented by a human one.
People seem a little torn-How about dinner, and plans for tomorrow to grab Lann and visit the waterfall?
>>36377429>you'd see the stretchy muscles are for fine movement and not heavy lifting then, huh?No, you fail to understand that the stretchy muscles would be required everywhere in the upper body to accomodate the pull from the hydraulic muscles. ALL OF THEM: Meaning the ones for fine movement, just as much as the others, unless we assume Lyra has a second seperate muscle system in her upper body.Which would a completly new approach.
>>36377452Anon you are failing at reading comprehension pretty hard.If the human muscles were stretchy, and hydraulics were worked in there as well, they would be able to exert the force.
>>36377199>You could grab dinner and show Nin to the waterfall. It's something to do, anyway.So romantic~
>>36377429>They'd exert very little in the way of stopping the hydraulics, leaving them... monstrously strong.Okay, now I realise I'm talking to an idiot.If no force is transmitted through the humanoid muscles, then our arms wouldn't be any stronger, because we only have humanoid muscles in our arms.Unless you want to assume she got hydraulic muscles there too, which she definitly would have noted by now.
>>36377487>second set of musclesthat is the entire fucking thing we were talking about the last thread.a secondary musculature system fueled by hydraulics.
>>36377478that works, REQM.
>>36377495Refering to>>36377516>Unless you want to assume she got hydraulic muscles there too, which she definitly would have noted by now.The original idea was that she has hydraulic muscles in the thorax and humanoid fibers in the upper body, not that she has both in the upper body, which has its own issue,s among them Lyra would have noted that.
>>36377478That sounds good.Fuck people simmerdown
>>36377516>You are dumb because I cannot read properlyThe entire fucking discussion is based on hydraulic muscles in lyra's thorax having pumps and tubes throughout her human body providing force.
>>36377478Sound like a plan.
>>36377547That's dumb, what the fuck does the area where the two halves meet look like?It's easier to just accept that it's all magic and the actual biology doesn't make sense.
>>36377547Oh, so this is because people never understood the hydraulics discussion in the first place.the hydraulics MUSCLES would be in the thorax. Because that's how it works in spiders.The muscles in the thorax would then push and pull all throughout the body using liquid tension and tubing systems.The hydraulics themselves are not in lyra's upper body, but the upper body could very well be powered by them through simple tubing.
>>36377569>The entire fucking discussion is based on hydraulic muscles in lyra's thorax having pumps and tubes throughout her human body providing force.No it wasn't. The discussion was based on the muscles in her thorax somehow supporting the upper body ones. The HOW is a different question, and clearly she would have noticed a entire additional set of muscles in her upper body.
>>36377611Oh, so this is because people never understood the hydraulics discussion in the first place.the hydraulics MUSCLES would be in the thorax. Because that's how it works in spiders.
>>36377609>The hydraulics themselves are not in lyra's upper body, but the upper body could very well be powered by them through simple tubing.No they couldn't, because that tubing would take a lot of space that Lyra would have definitly noticed them by now.The tubing system is one of the ways I said it could work, but isn't consistent with how her body works.It COULD work, but Lyra would have noted a freaking tubing system in her arms.
>People talking about Arachne biology>Completely ignoring how Lyra's body is now partially made of molten rock>Or how Mom developed jewels embedded into her flesh>Or how all Monsterkin evolve over-fucking night and may or may not bend reality over a barrel and rape it for decades on end to allow for some evolutions.>Or how Gods are a real and literal thing.People really need to stop being stupid as fuck.Speaking of which, we need to start experimenting with metal magic.
>>36377642>noted a tubing system in her armsAnon, you've never noted your arteries in your life. I can say this confidently because you are alive.You may have noticed veins and capillaries, but your arteries should not be exposed. The only place you even get close to them is neck and some spots in the joints, and even then, it's hidden behind large slabs of meat and fat whenever possible.
>>36377642>It COULD work, but Lyra would have noted a freaking tubing system in her arms.how would she notice it? Can you feel your blood vessels?Also, even if she noticed it, that doesn't mean she has to note it in character in quest
>>36377609Clearly a lot of people haven't understood it. But the fundamental issue remains, that you can't have a system that makes sense in which there is only hydraulic muscles in the thorax and fibers in the upper body, thats why we were talking about possible hybrid systems the entire time.But any hybrid system that somehow goes far beyond her spider part, would need eplaining how Lyra hasn't noted it yet.Because she definitly would something like a tubing system, which is why the hybrid system in her back was assumed, since she wouldn't notice as much there.
>>36377686>Completely ignoring how Lyra's body is now partially made of molten rockI thought it was just the aesthetics of molten rock, not actual molten rockthen again that bear definitely had hair made out of actual mobile shadow-steel
>>36377690>>36377690Such a tubing system would need to be LARGE. Hydraulic muscles are huge compared to the bodies they move. Otherwise they couldn't exert this much force.Its not comparable at all with your arteries.
>>36377704>would need explainingThe tubes run deep, because if they are cut she will bleed out and die?
>>36377715The tips of her legs are patterned like cracked molten earth and have fire inside of them.It's close enough to molten rock.
>>36377740Anon, arteries are as big as multi-ton hydraulic tubing.The small range of multi-ton, but yeah.
FUTURE BUTTS.There are only two Spiderbutts I will accept.Metalbutt, and ObsidianButt.Magmabutt is also good, but not nearly as good as those two.
>>36377704>would need eplaining how Lyra hasn't noted it yet.Humans were completely ignorant of the specifics of their blood vessels until they dissected corpses.You don't feel the tubing inside you.>Because she definitly would something like a tubing systemWho said she hasn't? its not like we had detailed explanations of arachne biology given to us in quest.all we know is that food goes in mouth and silk comes of thoraxshit, we don't even know where she pees out of, where she poops out of, and where her sex organs are
>>36377743She would definitly feel tubes large enough to support her bones everytime she uses them, they would expand a lot, because thats what hydraulic muscles do. And since they would be within her regular muscles, for reasons you explained, she would definitly feel them expanding.
>>36377791We know about her sex organs, because REQM told us actually. And she has several times noted her own freakish strength, and alwayss refers to her upper body as the human part, its definitly to be assumed she would have noted it.
>>36377791REQM has told us several times where the sex organs are, it's the human bits.
>>36377778Collectively, yes, collectively you could also see them.
>>36377794see>>36377778they wouldn't need to be at all as large as you imagine.And they could very easily feel like just normal musculature exertion. I mean, you feel it when you extend your arm. Doesn't mean you know the mechanism by which it is done.
>>36377778You can't see them because they are in your chest. There is a lot more between that and the outside than between stuff in your arms.Also more room in your chest.
>>36377850>>36377825>We know where her sex organs areok, I missed that. but that doesn't address all the other points.>And she has several times noted her own freakish strengthand?>its definitly to be assumed she would have noted it.Yes, you ARE assuming that she would mention it, and that is all it is, a baseless assumption
>>36377851no, not collectively.Each one individually is about as wide as extreme-weight hydraulics. All the major arteries.>>36377889google "arm arteries".
>>36377898Its ALL baseless assumption we are making here. I really hope you don't think anyone here actually believes her bodies working has actually been mapped out like that.As far as the story is concerned it just works.
>>36377790REQM posted what metal spider would be like on Ask I think. It was pretty cool, but what about Mage Breaker?
>>36377871>they wouldn't need to be at all as large as you imagine.They would, because arteries and hydraulic muscles work completly different, your arteries aren't supposed to move anything.If your arteries would expand several times their size anytime you "stress them", you would definitly notice.
>>36377980Uh, anon.Hydraulic tubing doesn't expand when you use it. That would make it not work at all.What expands (or contracts) is the working part of what the hydraulics are working on. In this case, a simple push/pull device on the joints, like muscles do. Which would feel an awful lot like you moved your joints with muscles.
>>36377778Muscles=/= arteries though.Your arteries don't move that much, those tubes would need to, and you would definitly feel the displacement of your muscles caused by that.
>>36378024Hydraulic tubes... aren't supposed to move anon.They remain stationary and provide fluid to the actual mechanism the hydraulic is powering.In this case, some kind of musculature setup.
>>36377937>Its ALL baseless assumption we are making here.no it isn't, the guys discussing how it COULD work are not assuming it is how it ACTUALLY worksit is obvious that the author did not actually design it specifically and is just handwaving it.What you have is some guys saying>This is how it could workand others are countering with>It can't because if it did work that way the main character would have explicitly mentioned it in one of the updates.
>>36378015>>36378042what these guys said, if the tubing expanded then it wouldn't actually work, at all.
>>36378015>>36378042>Hydraulic tubing doesn't expand when you use it.Completly regular hydraulic tubing also wouldn't allow for the greater exertion of strength Lyra does, because those additional tubes would also need to support her bones. Its not just a matter of push/pull.
>>36378076The fuck are you talking about?The tubes themselves are a mechanism for transmitting fluid. Like arteries. What is actually doing the supporting is whatever system they are connected to.In this case, some kind of musculature setup.
Why don't you anal retentive anons just start arguing how Lyra and other Arachne is even capable of breathing with their large size and inefficient booklungs hmm? Or how Jin and the Harpies can fly and still be sturdy enough to NOT half their spines and rib cages be broken in half when tripping into a table? Or how Nin is even capable of flight with how pathetically weak her wing structure is for something of her size?In short: Stop being dumb.
>>36377790I am all for composite Obsidian and Metal Butt. Basically become a beautiful flask spider filled with molten death. Also fits the kind of mage-y vibe I get from Lyra's recent fixation on fire and earth bending.
>>36378042>aren't supposed to moveThe moment they get filled, they would become a lot less malleable,just like a tube that you fill with water due to the pressure.So now, we would need to assume we are dealing with a lot of different tubes seperated from eachother so they don't hinder the movement of the joints once they get filled.
>>36378129Because someone insisted more arms were better for punching, causing all of this.If you want to add an explanation for why the thing you think is cool should be there, be prepared.Instead, just say it's cool. Or dumb.
>>36378144But those aren't Magey-type things, that's just Lyra being an Earth/Fire based monster, completely different.It's like arguing that a Dragon is a Mage because it breathes fire.
>>36378113That, would not explain at all how she has greater strength then. The tubes wouldn't be responsible for greater strength if you assume they are just there for delivery. So, it wouldn't actually answer the question of how she has greater strength.
>>36378145Anon that is exactly as much of a problem for hydraulic systems as being full of blood is for arterial systems.Not as much as you are making it out to be.
>>36378194Actually, it would explicitly explain the greater strength, as the tubes can deliver tons of force to whatever mechanism they are currently operating.Like, you know, hydraulics do.I feel like this entire argument has come down to people who know how hydraulics work VS people who do not know how hydraulics work.
>>36378180The difference is that Lyra specifically had to learn and use earth magic in order to get earth spell like ability on levelup.
>>36378129Thank you anon, bout time somebody pointed out how absurdly full of bullshit these guy's points on the anatomy of the giant spiderbutt is.
>>36378245>>36378129you guys just fucking wait.We can only determine how monstergirls work using biology so quickly. We will solve your issues after this one.
>>36378217I think the issue is more that people haven't actually SEEN hydraulics in action and don't realise how it wouldn't work like that in a human body if you just transplant it 1:1.
>>36378180People get really particular on this, and it kind of drives me nuts. I don't understand how bending pure metal, earth, and fire by force of will doesn't strike people as being magically inclined. Whether it is raw, intuitive magic or magic born of carefully strung together, funny sounding words makes little difference to me. I consider both to be "mages" of a sort and wouldn't expect any common person to be able to discern the difference out of hand.I get that there is a context for what constitutes a "mage" from a certain meta perspective, but seriously, both are magic.
>>36378129>Why don't you anal retentive anons just start arguing how Lyra and other Arachne is even capable of breathing with their large size and inefficient booklungs hmm? Or how Jin and the Harpies can fly and still be sturdy enough to NOT half their spines and rib cages be broken in half when tripping into a table? Or how Nin is even capable of flight with how pathetically weak her wing structure is for something of her size?because at this very second we are arguing arachne muscleatures and not those other things. don't worry, we WILL argue them all later.in fact, we had a big ass argument about moth and harpy wings and flight a couple of threads ago
>>36378275>he works with improperly secured hydraulic linesThey're not supposed to move while you are using them, anon. Tie those shits down.As someone who has seen hydraulics, your disagreements with the system seem entirely based around just not wanting hydraulics, rather than any mechanical flaw of the system.
>>36378129>Or how Nin is even capable of flight with how pathetically weak her wing structure is for something of her size?We had the moth wing-muscle discussion already. >how Lyra and other Arachne is even capable of breathing with their large size and inefficient booklungs hmm?She has two sets actually. Explains it perfectly.
>>36378275The cube-squared law makes fools of us all besides.
>>36378331>explains perfectlyWell, not quite.The hours long duration of breath holding isn't explained.My assumption is she trapped air bubbles somehow, and even that would be difficult and dangerous at said durations.
>A ton of of shitflinging about hydraulic musculature and the physics of monster girlsHOLY SHIT GUYSJUST TOP POSTING
>>36378374we can't, they asked us to explain hours long breath holding times, which is much harder to do than simple hydraulics.We're going to have to get into CHEMISTRY and WATER TENSION discussion on this one.
>>36378315>Tie those shits down.But the tying down is exactly the issue, how would you do that in a human body without interfering with all the other stuff there.I actually have no issue wit the hydraulics, its just that the explanation, as given, doesn't actually work.Hell, I LIKE the hydraulic hybrid system.But hydraulics don't explain greater force exertion like Lyra shows, except in much more limited application.
>>36378374/tg/ is a gloriously silly, if often off-topic place. In the future, it might be kind to REQM to move these intensive discussions to another thread. Hell, I'd enjoy reading an archive about monster girl physiology, but having the thread die before it's complete because of giant arguments does us little good.
>>36378409I figure it's tied down somewhere alongside or inside of the muscles.It'd work well, and would follow similar tubing systems to our current musculature, which requires massive pumps of liquid fuel (blood) to work anyway.The only real visible difference might be additional muscle definition.
I HAVE THE ANSWER TO ALL OF THIS STUPIDITY.BEING A GIANT SPIDER BREAKS SCIENCE WITHOUT NEEDING TO UTILIZE MAGIC.BEING A GIANT SPIDER MEANS YOU HAVE NO TRUE BIOLOGY, WHATEVER IS LEFT BEHIND IN YOUR CORPSE IS JUST A CLEVER DECOY TO DISGUISE THE TRUE REALITY WARPING THAT GOES ON INSIDE A GIANT SPIDER, NONE OF IT ACTUALLY WORKS.SHUT THE FUCK UP.
>>36378354The question was how the large bodies are supported,a nd the answer was, two lungs.The hours long thing, yeah. Thats a different issue. But apparently we need to assume Lyras "humanoid" body, actually is only humans and has a huge amount of completly alien organs to explain the muscles thing. I mean, even letting aside the problems the hydraulic tubes rbing, where does even all that liquid come from? Thats a huge amount you would need for that much force.
>>36378374...actually, is this the first real 'shitstorm' in this quest? Or did I miss one? Because 46 threads is a pretty good run, if so.This has been going for very nearly half the thread now, I believe. We really need to go back to considering what butts go where in the sleeping pile.
>>36378470>not assuming lyra's hydraulic body is full of alien organsWe have poison glands in our head and six eyes and exoskeleton on our arms.
>>36378441If we assume she wouldn't note on all kinds of weird shit going on in her arms, the tubes would be part of an explanation. But then you would also need completly different joints, and another subsystem that supports the bones, or a lot stronger bones.
>>36378452Anon, there is no need to yell. I'm done with the discussion as well, but what you are doing is hardly productive. The thread is in autosage, so them continuing literally does zero harm other than giving REQM something to laugh about as he types.
>>36378486Nah, the first real shitstorm was the Husbandofags getting all angry and shouty and superserious about the Waifufags, who were mostly using it as a joke.
>>36378486This isn't a shitstorm this is fantasy science.We had exactly one shitstrom so far in this quest.>>36378495All of those things are things spider have. That stuff thats currently proposed for the muscles, is not.
>>36378470>where does even all that liquid come fromwe drink water?are you aware of the law of conservation of matter?using liquid inside your body doesn't cause it to poof out of existance.>>36378495yes, good point
>>36378486I wouldn't even really call this a shit storm for the quest. They are kind of just bickering about things extrinsic to the quest. In the future, would it be too much to ask people to relocate to a new thread to carry out their intensive debates (not that I necessarily mind having some cross reading mixed in between REQM's posts)?
>>36378545The question is, where it is stored in our body so it can be delivered this fast to the tubes. Obviously it comes into our body through eating, but it can't be just dragged from all the places your consumed water goes to at a moments notice, there needs to be a bladder or something. Assuming it is liquids, of course.
>>36378501>different joint neededNot really, we could simply use the pulling system we have naturally.>different bones neededOur arms are literally coated in some kind of chitin with extreme properties. I assume our bones are different than normal.Further question:DO WE HAVE ARM BONES?
>>36378520gr8 m8, i r8 8/8.
>>36378619The chitin used to only coat our hand, so the assumption would be we still have arm bones, becaus we had that at some point.
>>36378528>All of those things are things spider haveYou know where the hydraulic muscles idea came from?It's a thing spiders have.
>>36378641He's actually telling the truth.
>>36378643it's actually up to like our bicep by now, after evolution.I think it might be eating our arm bones.
>>36378617>The question is, where it is stored in our body so it can be delivered this fast to the tubesIt is stored INSIDE the tubes. The tubes are always filled with liquid.Like how the eye is full of liquid, the brain pan is full of liquid, the interstitial fluid fills up a lot of cavities, and your blood is always inside your veins.It seems to me like you have not the slightest clue what hydraulics are and how they work.
>>36378619>Not really, we could simply use the pulling system we have naturally.Hydraulic systems using tubes do not allow for that kind of dexterity, unless we talk about a damn lot of tubes,and even then, that would be really jittery as fuck.
>>36378669I think our arms have both chitin and arm bones.
>>36378681The fuck are you talking about? Bugs have great dexterity.Unless you mean MECHANICAL hydraulic systems don't have that kind of dexterity.Because, well, no fucking duh, it's a machine. Our mechanical muscle simulations don't have dexterity either.
>>36378644Spider hydraulic muscles do not work at all like that.Like, not even a little.
>>36378679incidentally, that would mean that a stab in the arm could burst the tubes and make them lose the liquid, at which point healing magic will not restore immediate functionality to the arm unless it can replace the liquid, instead you have to way a few days for your body to produce replacement liquid in the tube.
>>36378659please don't try to spawn another waifu/husbando argument like you constantly attempt to do.
>>36378669Soon we shall become as the mightiest of arachne before us, the Legendary Queen NoodleArms
You head for the nest, your parents trailing behind, flirting all the way. Sheszka hops down beside you as you hit the forest, and Nin reclaims her prior spot next to Jin. You set a high pace- It'll be easier to sleep if you push yourself a little.Though, if someone had told you before to exercise so you could sleep better you'd have laughed in their face. Everything is sort of backwards now, isn't it.It isn't long before you reach the tree proper, and with small winged humanoids beneath each arm, you haul yourself into the nest.Your siblings have already returned from a days activities, waiting in a half circle with food for your return. Mom and Dad are up a minute later, your father protesting being carried all the way while your mother cackles.There's no actual signal, but once everyone is sitting, or in the process of sitting, or just in the general area of the food pile, dinner starts. You tear through a pair of legs of something or another before you try and talk.
>>36378589Does it count as a shitstorm if the QM didn't even have anything to do with it starting?
>>36378726Yeah, and they don't have six foreward facing eyes either.We take spider things and apply them to humans. Because otherwise spider stuff doesn't work like ours at all.
>>36378708>Unless you mean MECHANICAL hydraulic systems don't have that kind of dexterity.>Because, well, no fucking duh, it's a machine.Actually, we have machines with amazing superhuman dexterity. how do you think delicate electronics are made?Its just that most industry doesn't require any, so why waste money on including it if it doesn't do anything?
>>36378708>Bugs have great dexterity.For the bodyconfiguration of a bug.A human body, is completly different.>>36378679>It is stored INSIDE the tubes.I think you don't quite understand how hydraulics work if you think the tubes of a hydraulic system always store all the water needed.Not to mention the problems that would bring with any sort of injury.That would be absolutely stupid.
>>36378760Some things just need doing."Mom?""Mmm?""How does the treaty work? Can I bring someone into the woods?"She swallows, wiping a bit of blood off her lips with one hand."As long as you are with them, yes. Which is a good idea anyway. Being alone is a good way to eaten."You nod."I will be heading to the waterfall tomorrow then, yes? And the village. There is an adventurer I am planning to kidnap."Mom laughs, and Dad shakes his head."Please tell me you are joking."You give him a blank look."Mom always told me that lying is terrible-""Lyra.""I'm pretty sure that she has never said anything about lying-""Erics!"And now Dad's laughing."There is a half elf named Lann, yes? We worked together a bit, and we shared some stories in the guild.""Huh. She's rather far from home, isn't she?""Dear, you're living in the arachne forest, yes? I am fairly certain you are further.""That depends if she's from the capital or the coast of course-""Erics, if you get out a map at dinner it will not end well."You look away from the impending flirting, and over your shoulder.Your friends are apparently using you as a table. And a chair. And a bed.Jin has apparently managed to smear food all over her face prior to falling asleep, and Sheszka has neatly tucked herself between your legs and your body. Nin is the only member upright, nibbling at leaves of some sort. She looks over at you, greens hanging from her mouth. "Mnmn?""How was your day, yes?"
>>36378737It really depends here on whether healing magic restores blood.If healing magic restores your vital juices, then all is good.If it doesn't, then healing magic kind of sucks compared to most settings with healing magic.
>>36378801She stuffs the rest of the leaf into her mouth all at once, trying to force it down as she answers.Of course she starts choking.You thump her on the back a few times- Which equates to a light tap in your case, though it still sends the moth stumbling a bit."Better?""Of course! And any day spent in the Queen's service is- blrghmnmnglrnm-"You interrupt her incoming tirade by simply grabbing the moth's head and mussing her hair, and she starts to laugh."Enough of that, yes?""Oh, I haven't even started yet."You sigh, and pick yourself up- You step back a bit, and haul your wolf up with one hand, making your way to the blanket pile occupying the corner. You pick a few choice ones out for yourself, return Sheszka to her previous spot, and start to settle in. You'll need to bathe tomorrow. You'll also need to bathe Jin tomorrow, but she at least likes the bath. The waterfall makes it easier on you.You're forming up a pile of blankets beneath you when Nin walks around you, pausing at your from with a blanket over her shoulders like a cloak."Do you need help? You have a blanket, yes?""I am awaiting your promise, yes?""What?""Do not worry, I understand.""What?"The little moth pries one of your arms free from the blankets as you watch, pushing and pulling, rearranging you to her own liking before she settles herself against you."Nin- What are you-""You promised, my queen. And I aim to collect."She snuggles into your shirt, and it's not long before her breath slows and evens out, though her grip never falters.You give up. You're tired as it is, and you let your eyes slide closed, propping yourself onto the blankets. Tomorrows a new day.
>>36378784Anon, I was talking to another anon speaking from his personal experience with hydraulics.Now that you mention it, yes, machines with hydraulic and non hydraulic systems achieve amazing dexterity when designed for it. Bugs also achieve amazing dexterity with their hydraulic systems. It follows that there is no reason to assume you can't retrofit a hydraulic system to a humanish shape while maintaining dexterity.
>>36378834>That's it for tonight! Thanks for sticking with me while I tried to get back into writing!>Seriously though, even a week without it made it hard, what the fuck.>Next thread for thursday, 2PM EST!>Comments, questions and concerns answered while I'm still here!
>>36378834O u Nin. Great thread, REQM.
>>36378659The veracity of his statement changes exactly fuck all of its extremely baiting nature.And that's not even going into the fact that every side of every argument on 4chan consists to at least 70% of retards and assholes, which means claiming that any side wasn't being extremely angry and shouty is a straight up lie.
>>36378873HABITS REQMIF YOU BREAK A HABIT IT TAKES MILLIONS OF YEARS TO RETURN IT
>>36378873Thanks for running REQM. While I sure won't complain for some Thanksgiving entertainment, are you sure you won't otherwise be preoccupied on Turkey Day?
>>36378844>. It follows that there is no reason to assume you can't retrofit a hydraulic system to a humanish shape while maintaining dexterity.The issue is internal skeleton actually.
We need to teach our compatriots fucking manners.YOU! HARPY! CHEW PROPERLY!YOU! WOLF! BATHE REGULARLY!YOU! MOTH! GET YOUR OWN BEDDING!
>>36378873Thanks for running, boss.
>>36378785>Not to mention the problems that would bring with any sort of injury.>That would be absolutely stupid.its almost like people actually bleed to death when you cut an artery
>>36378924Madness. Especially the last one.
>>36378873Thanks for running.Have a good night.
>>36378919>internal skeletonLuckily, it was designed on a pulling principle, and thus can be conveniently adapted to pistons, or expanding/contracting sacks.One of which we are already using as humans, and both of which can be run by hydraulic systems.
>>36378924Already having to give orders to our subjects?She's insidious, that moth.
>>36378924But.. they all use Lyra as bedding
>>36378801ask dad his family name already
>>36378974we had better before he dies or goes off on adventure.
>>36378937....Your veins don't store blood, its being pumped through constantly from your heart.The anon claimed the liquid is always in the tubes. Do you see the difference? One hasa source that keeps pumping liquid, the othernot. Thats the entire reason why saying "its always there" completly stupid, because the original question was, where does the liquid come from?".
>>36378934>>36378917>>36378889Thanks for playing!>>36378917Thanksgiving was a while ago for me, my southern friend.>>36378894Apparently. Even the bonus stories were a bit of a struggle. Ah well. That just means that I have to never leave home ever again!I am completely okay with this.
>>36378924We did promise Nin, though.
>>36378992uh, anon.Blood is stored all throughout the body. The heart is not a storage mechanism.The only storage mechanism we have almost explicitly for blood is the spleen, and that doesn't hold nearly our entire capacity.
>>36378785>Not to mention the problems that would bring with any sort of injury.I explicitly mentioned those in >>36378737
>>36378993Interesting. Are you Canadian or simply further north on the US? Wasn't aware of a division in when the holiday was celebrated.
>>36378993Don't be Elle.
>>36379034>a slash deep enough to cut arteries and hydraulics would be lethal to usNews at 11, water is wet.
>>36379051I give that report 7.8 out of 10.
>>36379015>The heart is not a storage mechanism.Its a central point your blood flows through, and is required to replenish it in your veins when blood is lost from there.The comparison was made between those tubes and arteries. And arteries need the heart to replenish blood that is lost in them.
>>36379082A. your heart doesn't replenish blood, that's bone marrow. The heart simply pumps blood, which is what you mean.B. the pump for the hydraulics would be the large muscles in the spider thorax, just like a real spider.
>>36378974I'll get to it for thursday! Someone remind me then!>>36378945Thanks for playing!>>36379035Canadian. Ours is the second monday of october.>>36379036I can't sew to save my life, so no worries there.
>>36379111Take up sewing.
>>36378873>Thread over>Still didn't ask dad's family nameone day...
>>36379082what >>36379103 said
>>36379103>The heart simply pumps blood, which is what you mean.It puts new blood there was the point, regardless of from where the blood originates. Clearly the liquid for the tubes also can originate from completly different places.>B. the pump for the hydraulics would be the large muscles in the spider thoraxI can agree with that, the other anon claimed there isn't any pump because "the liquid is always in the tubes" and I pointed out why that doesn't work.Although the path from the thorax to the tubes is pretty long.
>>36379148One day, Anon, you shall learn the treasured power, the ability to punch people over the internet. And then there shall be peace... or war? Who knows? Something will definitely change if and when that happens.
Okay guys, this is dumb. It's a fantasy setting. Lyra's biology works in much the same was her ability to control the earth with her mind, fire lightning from her spear, and conjure fire from the fucking ether.It works because REASONS. There is probably a mechanism behind it, but it doesn't use physics or biology that we are aware of, and probably involves things which couldn't happen in our reality. IT'S MAGIC.MAAAAAAGIC.
>>36379180I hate to be a bother, but there would most likely always be fluids in the tubes, as organic creatures are generally not tuned to have 100% de-activation states when not in use, and we'll most likely always be using the musculature in one way or another.Bleeding out movement fluid probably wouldn't be a matter though, as by the time we're at that point, we'd be dying anyway.
>>36379235Everyone knows that.Stop pretending you have found some secret wisdom, we know perfectly well that that is how it works in the story.
>>36378993Is there anything special you (or anyone for that matter) want me to put on the map while I'm doing updates tonight?
>>36379180>I can agree with that, the other anon claimed there isn't any pump because "the liquid is always in the tubes" and I pointed out why that doesn't work.1. the liquid IS always in the tube, because its an organic system that NEVER SHUTS DOWN you moron.2. I did not claim that there is no pumps. I claimed there is no RESERVOIR. Because organic system.3. Seriously the heart does not work that way. there is always blood in the heart, there is always blood in the veins, they are always 100% full of blood. the heart just moves it around so its different blood in different places, while still being 100% full of blood at all timeLike how you can take a glass full of water and spin the water around with a spoon, the glass is full, the water is moving.
>>36379247>but there would most likely always be fluids in the tubesThere would always be fluid in the tubes, obviously, can't spend time pumping it in before usage. The point was, there needs to be something in the body that puts the liquid there in case it isn't anymore.Otherwise that would be a shitty setup.Some anon claimed the liquid required for it would always be there and there is no need for something to replenish it, which doesn't work.
>>36379288>I claimed there is no RESERVOIRNo one ever talked about a reservoir, the question was "where does it come from", to which you claimed "its always there", which is bullshit, if there is a pump, the answer would be "its from the fucking pump".Stop trying to backpedal so hard.
>>36379259I guess 'everyone' doesn't include those anons who are desperately trying to get monstergirls to work in terms of real life biology, then?
>>36379365No one tries that.People through shit at eachother about how it might work.
>>36379269Nothing off the top of my head. I'll try and start churning out town and city names, and put down other places of importance.>>36379148It'll happen, I promise!
>>36379365I really would like to think no one here actually thinks any of that shit would work in real life biology.Because, no.
>>36379434I would like to note that I discussed this under the premise of fantasy biology in which we had something work, and then tried to figure out its system as far as possible, untl we reach the "MAGIC" point.I'm fairly sure even the other anons realise none of that stuff actually works in reality, because you obviously can't just transplant parts of one organ system into another one.
>>36379306>There would always be fluid in the tubes, obviously, can't spend time pumping it in before usage.Which you explicitly argued against>The point was, there needs to be something in the body that puts the liquid there in case it isn't anymore.1. bullshit, that wasn't the point. you asked "where will the liquid come from". That would be "where is the reservoir"2. Jesus fuck people already told you, many of them, that the heart does not produce blood. Pump =! where the liquid comes from3. Multiple people have all said, 4 of them at last count, that if we are bleeding out our hydraulic fluid we are also dying from bloodloss.There does not need to be some sort of bladder and pump to replenish the fluid in case someone chops off your arm. All animals do just fine without such a system for their blood. and by just fine I mean die from fatal injuries. Any such system would give you a few extra seconds at most. And it won't even work with haudralics since unless the tubes are completely repaired and can handle the pressure, then the fluid will just burst the scab and reopen the injury. so in fact NOT rapidly replenishing the fluid is advantageous as it makes it possible to heal.Also, again THE HEART DOES NOT PRODUCE OR STORE SPARE BLOOD. It contains blood that is currently in use, and it has nothing to do with producing new blood.Likewise, the pumps in the thorax do not need to store or replenish the fluid.>>36379103>your heart doesn't replenish blood, that's bone marrowactually to be perfectly technical, that is only blood cells.most of the fluid comes from your liver after being absorbed from your diet. and a lot of organs are involved in regulating the exact composition of your blood
>>36379546Apologies. I didn't want to add fuel to the debate by bringing up an undermining point. I salute your zeal, gentlemen, but think you might need a new thread.
>>36379348>No one ever talked about a reservoir, the question was "where does it come from", to which you claimed "its always there">Stop trying to backpedal so hard.This is hilarious>>36378470>>You: where does even all that liquid come from>>36378545>>Me: we drink water?>>36378617>>You: The question is, where it is stored in our body so it can be delivered this fast to the tubes. Obviously it comes into our body through eating, but it can't be just dragged from all the places your consumed water goes to at a moments notice, there needs to be a bladder or something. A bladder = a reservoir>>36378679>>Me: It is stored INSIDE the tubes. The tubes are always filled with liquid.>>Me: Like how the eye is full of liquid, the brain pan is full of liquid, the interstitial fluid fills up a lot of cavities, and your blood is always inside your veins.Someone here is backpedaling hard, but it isn't me.
>>36379604>That would be "where is the reservoir"No it wouldn't.In that case I would have asked "where is the reservoir".