You are Sireyi Valyenya, 23 years old; you are a Baroness, and you have lands on the border of the kingdom of Dornmer.Character Sheet http://pastebin.com/tsAx3JGTParty http://pastebin.com/DMfRaXQVYour Realm http://pastebin.com/jYjB9BBQRules http://pastebin.com/yKvP3AiPParty Powers http://pastebin.com/awA8AvWiSister Character Sheet http://pastebin.com/NXxSXP3jThe World http://pastebin.com/3H9fnizcArchive http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/33059651/http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=paladin+of+joyQM Twitter https://twitter.com/anAspiringQMQM Askfm http://ask.fm/AnAspiringQMYou stand on top of the fortress of the demon lord, Duke Salvastis. Two armies face one another on this rooftop. On your side is a hundred demons, mostly nobles or demons of uncommon power that Salvastis decided to imprison instead of killing, at your side stand a number of your allies: your double, Jal, Ebonsong, Isla, both of the Sofias, Shahulzer, Jianxi and Matthias, and, though you can’t quite believe it, your mother.Against you stand Salvastis and his bodyguard of thirty heavily armed and armoured demons, as well as perhaps fifty rocklike humanoids – earth elementals? Nearby the mountains continue to fling more rocks into the sky, as the rocks come down they unfold into more of the rocklike humanoids. Only a few actually landed on the roof, most landed nearby and quickly started scaling the fortress walls to join the battle, with more arriving every minute. Around the edges of the roof are dozens of metal poles, and you can smell a storm, even though you can’t feel any nearby.You are in your fully angelic form and you wonder why you’re even fighting alongside the demons nearby, until you recall they are a means to an end – the destruction of Salvastis, once he’s dead you will turn your attention to them. Salvastis has revealed himself to be not just a demon, but a fallen angel as well.
Most of those present are already engaged in battle, struggling against one another, but you and Salvastis hold back, each directing your forces. For now your forces enjoy the advantage, pushing their way through the rockmen to the tight knot of demons surrounding Salvastis. The constantly arriving rockmen reinforcements will eventually turn the tide however, unless you win this quickly.You could call in your angels, but they could be rather indiscriminate about which demons they attack. You can also turn into a huge dragon – perfect for engaging large numbers of foes, and as always, your own lightning powers are always eager to answer your call. With the forces at your command you have a number of options. Salvastis is very dangerous though, and his demon bodyguards are undoubtedly very tough, sending any individual against them, or small numbers of your allies could get people killed.What’s the plan?>Transform into dragon form (Huge? Seraphic?)>Use Lightning Storm (target?)>Use Spell (What?)>Use Power (What?)>Other (what?)Battle>Call in Angels>Slow advance, keep together>Send your forces to flank the rockmen and attack Salvastis (which forces?)>Other (what?)
>>36328633>Transform into dragon form (Huge Seraphic)>Slow advance, keep together
>>36328633>Use Spell (What?)>Missile StormWe can throw a lot of our AE into that to soften up the knot of bodyguards, before engaging>Slow advance, keep together>Ask Isla to try to figure out what is up with these metal polesGoing to keep the nagels back until we know more about these metal poles
>>36328758I'll second asking>Ask Isla to try to figure out what is up with these metal polesAlso could we have D Sireyi cast Misslestorm?
>>36328633>Missile Storm>Slow advance, keep togetherSoul of light form is better for directing the army, since our perception, willpower and defenses are increased.
>>36328758Seraphic Dragon's Breath Weapon is probably better for that job.Summoning the angels could be a double-edged blade - they might attack our demonic allies.Having Isla figure out what's going on with the poles is a good idea, though.
>>36328633>>Call in Angels>Full attack on the Duke, everything we got.The Duke is by far the main priority. It might even be best to immediately use Deific Power with an attack spell to destroy him before he can pull any more nasty spells out of his bag of tricks.The Duke is the absolute priority target. The Angels are not to engage anything else, other than in order to defend themselves, until he is dealt with.A question: Are our Sanctuaries all activated right now?
>>36328792>Also could we have D Sireyi cast Misslestorm?What for? Missile Storm is way more powerful in angelic form, there is no reason to go D unless we want to engage in melee or use the breath weapon.
>>36328829>Seraphic Dragon's Breath Weapon is probably better for that job.Its not, since it would require actually getting into breath range of all of his bodyguards, while we can cast missile storm from our current position.
>>36328834>Are our Sanctuaries all activated right now?You're leading a demon army, so I'd assume not, but I'll but it to a vote.>Use Permanent Sanctuary (free)Y/NUsing Sanctuary abilities that are not part of permanent sanctuary will be an action in combat of course
>>36328703>>36328792This guy. I'll just change to seconding >>36328758We can always go HUGE later
>>36328829>Seraphic Dragon's Breath Weapon is probably better for that job.The idea is to use a missile storm now, while we are in soul of light, to make use of its will bonus, and then turn into a dragon next round.
>>36328633FUCK YEAH PALADIN OF JOY QUEST!Seriously thanks for running today Pally! now if only I had an idea on how to tactical.
>>36328881>YAs long as we keep in the sky, it shouldn't be a problem, except for our twin
>>36328758>>36328885Good idea. Supporting this
>>36328881N>>36328906I don't think we're currently flying, and it's likely that he has a trap against flying creatures.
>>36328940Possible, but the bonus of Sanctuary is still enormous, I consider is still worth it, even if it keeps our demonic allies away from us.
Ok, locking vote on actions>Missile Storm>Slow advance, keep together>Ask Isla to try to figure out what is up with these metal polesAre the winnersSanctuary not yet it seems.Interrupt: Demon Guards have magical protections, Use Deific Spell?Y/NCosts 2 Deific Power, but bypasses non-deific protections. You might be able to beat the ward with your Will + Arcane Energy of course, and might not need Deific Power.
>>36329060I would have just blown 60AE on that spell, since we got more then enough juice thanks to soul of light and the ability to instantly regain all DE with a DP.So I would say >N
>>36329060NDeific Power is a precious resource and Angelic Form is already boosting our Willpower by quite a lot, we should be able to beat it.
Ok, roll 2d20 and vote on extra Arcane Energy used.First roll is Sireyi, 2nd Isla
Rolled 17, 1 = 18 (2d20)>>3632924140
Rolled 18 (1d20)>>3632924140
Rolled 11, 9 = 20 (2d20)>>3632924160
Rolled 12, 19 = 31 (2d20)>>36329241
>>36329287Good save for Isla.
>>36329287Why'd you delete? those where good rolls.
>>36329307I derp'd it looked like those where deleted rolls. the kicker is that those where mine.
“Slow advance” you say to your forces even as your mother shouts “into them!” and pushes forward hard, hacking rockmen apart and engaging the demon guards. Most of your forces obey you, advancing slowly, some follow your mother. Your mostly ordered line has a noticeable outwards bulge around her as she pushes forwards. For now all of your forces are forming a single group, but if your mother and those following her are not supported or bought back in line, they could get cut off.You smile coldly, bunched together enemies, why do they make things to easy for you? You cast your spell and magical missiles streak into the demon guards only for a black and red aura to appear out of nowhere, absorbing about half of your missiles. The missiles that get through hurt a few demons; and put more of them down.[AE 28/97]Still, it’s clear Salvastis was expecting you to use magic of some kind; he might have some idea of your abilities....“Isla” you say, your voice sounding cold, and pure and full of authority “investigate those poles, I want to know what they are.”Isla looks at you, then does a double take, her eyes widening, her posture changing to one of submission and obedience “Of course My Saint” she says in an awed voice, rushing off towards one of the poles, examining it with her arcane sight.[Isla AE 84/86]“I need time!” she yells back to you “This is complicated, but for now I can tell: Don’t use any Lightning.”Your allies attack the rockmen with gusto, taking down a dozen or so, the Sofias are particularly effective, standing shoulder to shoulder and smashing rockmen apart with grim efficiency. Matthias and Jianxi work as a perfect team as Matthias engages rockmen to hold their attention and Jianxi cuts them down from behind.Ebonsong and Shahulzer rear over the battle, blasting and melting rockmen with their breath weapons.
Having heard Islas warning your double elects to get physical with the rockmen, smashing several apart, yelling with glee.Your demons and the rockmen tear into each other with wild abandon; it’s hard to tell which side is more savage.Salvastis demon guard hold back, keeping their positions around him. Salvastis fires a beam of holy energy into your demon allies, tearing several apart and wounding many others “You should have stayed loyal!” he yells. The demon guards battling your mother seem to have no chance of hurting her, as she easily parries their attacks.More of the rockmen arrive; their reinforcements keeping their numbers almost steady.Battle?>Call mother back>Troops push forward to support them>OtherSummoning reinforcements will be a write-in, but is of course permitted.AlliesDemons (95, 20 are wounded)EnemiesSalvastis (unhurt)Demon Guards (23, 3 are lightly wounded)Rockmen (62)
>>36329509forgot to addSireyi?>Power (what?)>Spell (what?)>OtherIsla>Keep investigating>Other (What?)
>>36329509>Troops push forward to support them>Seraphic Dragon, support mothers push with our breath weapon>Send Shahulzer and Ebby closer to Isla to guard her>Isla keep investigatingIf we can get rid of that no-lightning thing, its pretty much over.
>>36329509>Summoning reinforcements will be a write-in, but is of course permitted.Do that then. I repeat my plea to deal with the Duke as fast as possible.>Summon AngelsIs there anything stopping us from using Disintegration or something similar with a couple of DP to kill the Duke? In any case>Attack spell on Duke / his Defenders, use DP>Let the former prisoners and Rock golems tear each other apart as our own forces try to preserve their live.
>>36329509>Troops push forward to support them>No idea>Keep investigating
>>36329509Seconding >>36329566Think we should summon our Lanterns as well? It's a rapid action, so it wouldn't take a turn.>>36329591>Is there anything stopping us from using Disintegration or something similar with a couple of DP to kill the Duke?Yeah, there is.
>>36329509>>36329566I'll go with this
>>36329509>Summon Angels to aid mum>>36329531We hit something hard, target whatever's slowing down our advance.Isla should Keep investigating.
>>36329591>Is there anything stopping us from using DisintegrationIt would most likely not kill him, he probably has a whole bunch more HP than that.
>>36329509>>36329566Seconding.We should hold the angels back until he thinks he has us, I doubt he has revealed all of his tricks already.
>>36329678Good idea, changing >>36329651 please.
>>36329621>Think we should summon our Lanterns as well?Probably, the cost is trivial, summoning them takes no action, we get two of them and their attacks do 6d6 + Sireyi's Willmod * 2.
>>36329509>>36329566>>36329621Seconing the Lanterns.
>>36329531I'll support summoning our Lantern since its quick
>Troops push forward to support them>Seraphic Dragon, support mothers push with our breath weapon>Send Shahulzer and Ebby closer to Isla to guard her>Isla keep investigating>LanternsIt is, closing vote.Please roll 2d20 and vote on extra arcane energy to boost breath weapon.Use Deific Power to bypass protective ward? Y/N
Rolled 19, 5 = 24 (2d20)>>36329813sure
Rolled 6, 10 = 16 (2d20)>>36329813Y10
Rolled 1, 6 = 7 (2d20)>>36329813We should probably do disjunction next time.0>Y
Rolled 17, 18 = 35 (2d20)>>36329813NAll
>>36329869I'm so sorry.
>>36329883You tried dear anon, you tried.
Your mother seems to want to take the battle to Salvastis “Forward!” you order your voice sounding cold and terrifying to your own ears as your demon army rushes forward, pushing the rockmen back.To Ebonsong and Shahulzer you say “Guard Isla!” they both pull back from the battle and protect your paladin.You transform into a huge seraphic dragon, towering above the battlefield, as you do, you feel a familiar figure tugging on your claw, looking down you see Jal “Give an elf a lift?” she says. You oblige and put her on your back, you’d wondered where she’d got to. You inhale and channelling your arcane powers breathe out a gout of angelic fire, blasting into the demon guards, incinerating and wounding, even Salvastis is struck, flinching back and cursing.[AE 3/97]Still Jianxi, Matthias and the Sofias battle the rockmen, taking more of them down.“I need more time!” wails Isla “It’s still not clear!”Your twin casts a spell and wounds appear on her body, then begin healing, at the same time, many of your demon allies have their wounds healed.[D. Sireyi AE 20/21, HP 39/69]The rockmen and demons continue to battle, many falling on either side. Salvastis’ demon guards surge forward, pushing your troops back momentarily and Salvastis, despite his reputation as a coward, heads straight for your mother, his twin spears striking as swift as serpents. She skilfully fends him off but her face becomes a mask of hatred and her attempts to breach his guard become more aggressive and sloppy “Monster!” she spits “You’ll never get near my daughter!”“I’ll eat her heart before your eyes Syberis” he taunts, driving her to greater fury, his attacks almost getting through her guard.Rockmen reinforcements continue to arrive.
Battle?>Have your troops separate Salvastis and your mother>Just keep fighting>Other orders (what?)Sireyi?>Separate Salvastis and your mother >Power (what?)>Spell (what?)>Other (what?)Allies>Orders (what?)AlliesDemons (90, 2 are wounded)EnemiesSalvastis (very lightly wounded)Demon Guards (18, 5 are wounded)Rockmen (64)
>>36330209>Just keep fighting>Fight with sal with mom
>>36330235>Just keep fighting>Separate Salvastis and your mother
>>36330235>Just keep fighting>Fight Salvastis with your mother>Allies focus on defensive and keep together
>>36330287>>36330337Uh guys. Melee probably isn't the best course of action for us
>>36330384Melee is always best course of action!
>>36330235>Don't let him control when he fights you mother.>Fight Salvastis with your mother.>Tell Blue to take command of the army.
>>36330384I see no reason why not?
>>36330384Our Smite is currently the only use we have for our massive and virtually inexhaustible DE pool.Might as well use it.
as an idiot in my group who had no idea how AOO worked once said "PALADINS SMITE THE EVILS!"
Melee is is, mother and daughter vs Salvastis.Army keeps doing its thing.Please roll 3d20 and vote on extra Divine Energy used for Smite.First die is Sireyis attack, 2nd is Isla examining the rods, 3rd dice is for...don't roll low ok.
Rolled 11, 20, 1 = 32 (3d20)>>3633053740
Rolled 11, 9, 14 = 34 (3d20)>>3633053740
Rolled 15, 6, 5 = 26 (3d20)>>3633053750
Rolled 13, 12, 6 = 31 (3d20)>>3633053740
Rolled 9, 17, 11 = 37 (3d20)>>36330537>>36330548>don't roll lowHahaha.I suggest we blow a DP here, just to be safe.40
>>36330548>>36330555>>3633056315, 20, 14. Pretty good.>>36330570We can only boost our own rolls with DP, so that's not an option.
the last roll is jal doing something i bet
>>36330586We don't know what the thrid one is for, amybe its for us.Although its probably for moms willsave.
>>36330586I hope Isla figures it finally out with that 20.I can't wait to unleash a massive 100+ DE lightning stom on them all.
3rd roll is for you.Use Deific Power for a 20? (third roll)
>>36330657Yeah, better it is. We got all that DP for our battle in hell, I'd rather not risk it.
>>36330657Sure. This fight is what we got those points for anyway.
>>36330657It would only be a +6 and we have pretty absurd saves right now.+42 against demonic magic, for people that don't read the Character Sheet.
>>36330657>YSafe is safe.Whatever this is could cost us way more. At this point I expect Salvastis to have something that gathers our expended DP somehow.
>>36330701Assuming that is what it is.It might be something different, maybe its the hell energy problem coming back.
>>36330739More likely it's the mental influence from using Angelic Form that's been hinted at every post this entire thread so far.The Hell energy problem was probably just Hell's demonic radiation amplifying our negative emotions, since that's something demonic magic does.
>>36330827>More likely it's the mental influence from using Angelic FormWe aren't in angelic form anymore, and we know exactly how that one works. This isn't it.
With Salvastis clearly trying to trick your mother into doing something reckless you join the battle, raking your claws and snapping your jaws as Salvastis as he battles your mother.As Salvastis blocks your mothers sword slash and ducks out of the way of your jaws your manage to catch him with a claw, a little contact is all you need. You flood Salvastis’ body with divine power, channelled by a half-angel against a demon? That’s really going to hurt, he is flung back back, cursing as a massive explosion of holy energy erupts around him.[DE 123/166]Rather than fleeing though he darts forward and stabs the spear into your foot, such a small thing, what can it do against you? You are a huge drago-The world around you fades, as all you know is pain, agony beyond anything you’ve felt before. You fall to the ground roaring in pain, you feel like your every nerve ending is being dipped in molten metal, your limbs curl and bones threaten to break as your own muscles turn against them. Dimly you hear your mother screaming.[PoV change to Dark Sireyi]Something’s wrong with your angelic sister, she went in to help her, no your, mother and is now thrashing and roaring in agony, you see Jal tumble from her back even as your mother rushes forward to engage Salvastis, only armed with a single spear now, he seems quite surprised, maybe he was expecting that to kill her? Hah, shows how much he knows. He’s yelling something at your mother, but you’re too far away to notice.Your allies bunch together defensively and continue to take a toll on the rockmen, even as more climb onto the roof.Isla yells out “I’ve got it!” and glances over at your sister “No!” She screams in horror.The demons on your side stand firm against the rockmen, and engage the demon guards as well, casualties are starting to wear down both sides of the battle, this can’t go on for long, one side or the other has to break.
Battle?>Target demon guards>Just keep fighting>Other orders (what?)Dark Sireyi?>Separate Salvastis and your mother>Get that spear out of your sister!>Power (what?)>Spell (what?)>Other (what?)Allies>Isla, hit it!>Orders (what?)AlliesDemons (87, 5 are wounded)EnemiesSalvastis (wounded)Demon Guards (15, 6 are wounded)Rockmen (59)Deific Power Spent, Sireyi current DP 36.Kept you alive and your soul in your body
>>36331108>Get that spear out of your sister!>Just keep fighting>Isla, hit it!
>>36331108>Get that spear out of your sister!>Isla, hit it!
>>36331108>Just keep fighting>Get that spear out of your sister!>Isla, hit it!
"Isla hit it!" you yell as you run forwards to help your sister."It redirects lightning!" says Isla, explaining in as few words as possible "I can shut it down, or if you give me a little longer, I can use it to enhance your powers, which do I do?!">Shut it down (quick)>Enhance (longer)
>>36331108>Get that spear out of your sister!>Isla What does it do? he's too ready for this fight
>>36331187>Shut it down (quick)>Unleash the lightning!
>>36331108>>Get that spear out of your sister!Careful not to be impaled by either the Duke nor the Mother on the way.>Isla, hit it!Hit what? I mean sure, she can hit whatever, but still.
>>36331187>Shut it down (quick)We don't need more power, if we get it shut down, Sireyi has more then enough DE to insta-kill everything here.
>>36331187>Shut it down (quick)As I said in >>36331189 He's too ready to risk it.
>>36331187>Shut it down (quick)
>>36331187>Enhance (longer)We'll play defensively for a few rounds, I suppose.Also, if any of our allies can gate in the Angels, I still want them here.
>>36331187>Shut it down (quick)I fucking called melee being a terrible idea.
>>36331243If we wouldn't have gone into melee it would have hit our mother.Its good that we got it out of the way.
>>36331229Our Sister could after she removed the spear.
>>36331261No. The soul draining spear is to try and steal our divine spark.
>>36331294I doubt it, if it were possible like that he would have used it on our mother when he thought she had it. Nothing can just extract the spark like that.
>>36331243We have a DR 29, a Strength mod of +21, Constitution mod of +23 and a +42 against Demonic Magic.Just because you turned out to be somewhat right, doesn't mean your argument was correct; you presented nothing approaching a real argument for *why* melee was a bad idea.>>36331284Most of our angels are in Velya's Heaven and she doesn't have the key to that place, only we do.
>>36331341>and she doesn't have the key to that placeShe can still cast Gate. Which is all we really need for that.
Ok, army keeps fighting, you remove spear and Isla shuts down the thing.Please roll 1d20 for your mother: Salvastis is going to be an asshole and your mother is going to try and stop him.
Rolled 13 (1d20)>>36331370
Rolled 7 (1d20)>>36331364She can't open a gate to Velya's Heaven without the key.>>36331370
Rolled 17 (1d20)>>36331370
Rolled 5 (1d20)SMITE EVIL!
Rolled 11 (1d20)>>36331370Sure thang.I really wish we had those Angels…
Rolled 10 (1d20)>>36331370gods, I hate it to be so at the mercy of the dice.
>>36331409At this point they wouldn't really add all that much besides additional complications. If we can get Sireyi back into the fight, we can lightning storm everyone deeper into hell.
>>36331399nice roll man! you are an asset to the team!
>>36331433Lightning Bolt gets better returns on overcharging and Salvastis's death might make the rockmen into a non-issue, since they're powered by his magical artifact.
>>36331465There is no real reason to take the risk, lightning stom on full charge will still kill Salvastis absolutely dead. And if he has, what I suspect, his own defense against lightning, it will still kill all of his allies and demonic guards, leaving him open for the smack down of everyone else.
we really should cast dimentional anchor on him so he can't escape
>>36331489It would also kill all of *our* allies. The ones currently engaging his allies. Those guys.
>>36331504Thats a actually a good idea, should be Islas next move.
>>36331508There is absolutely no reason for us to not use Calm as a Summer's Breeze, Furious as a Raging Storm, beforehand.
>>36331508>Eye of the StormWhy would we use our ultimate lightning smack down, without the lightning attack boosting ability?Thats exactly what we have it for.
>>36331536>>36331555That grants electricity immunity, but only to allies within twenty-five feet.We've got ~100 people that would need to be immune.Also, overcharging Lightning Storm doesn't affect it's area at all, it's unlikely we can catch all of our enemies in the blast.
>>36331588>We've got ~100 people that would need to be immune.>Also, overcharging Lightning Storm doesn't affect it's area at all, it's unlikely we can catch all of our enemies in the blast.Do you notice how you contradict yourself here?We just lightning storm the area in front of us thats either within 25 feet or doesn't have any of our allies in it.
>>36331588All of our allies are not withing range of lightning storm. Storm is only 30f in radius, so as long as we move it slightly in front of us, we won't hit any of our allies outside of the safe zone.
“Shut it down!” you yell at Isla as you duck and dodge your sisters thrashing limbs and grab the spea-Yeeeowch! Touching this thing is like being stung by red-hot bees all over your body, grimly you hang on as your sisters larger form pulls you back and forth as she thrashes in pain “Hold still” you growl out between gritted teeth “let me get this thing out of your damn-”“Two for one” you hear someone say behind you, Salvastis, damn. “Oh no you don’t monster!” your mother yells “That’s my daughters fiancée!”Ok, he better have been trying to stab Jal, because if your mother thinks you and her are in a relationship....ew...you’re nowhere near that self-absorbed!You don’t see what’s happening but the clash of weapons and Salvastis cursing give you hope that your mothers got things in hand. You hear a grunt and a grim chuckle as out of the corner of your eye you see one of the demon guards approaching you with an axe held high only for several tentacles to trip him up and Jal to dive on him, stabbing with her daggers as she yells “get knotted fancy boy!” you wonder if maybe she’ll give her permission for you to use your magic to create your own J- focus! Get your mind back on what you’re doing!Grimly, and slowly, you pull the spear out of your sister, as pain threatens to overwhelm you, finally it’s over and you toss the spear down with a sigh of relief.[PoV change back to Sireyi]Blearily you open an eye after a lifetime of agony, there were days when you almost gave up, but now it’s over. Your watery eye focuses upon your sister, casting the hateful spear to the ground.“I’ve got it!” yells Isla, “It’s gone!” and the taste of a storm in the air disappears. You can see your mother going toe-to-toe with Salvastis as Jal tries to fight three demon guards at once, and is looking badly wounded.[Jal HP 15/40]
>>36331611Alright, but why?Why risk Salvastis surviving when it won't even be killing the majority of his allies instead of maximizing the chance of it ending his life by using Lightning Bolt?>>36331641Lightning Bolt has a higher base damage and gets twice the benefit from overcharging, which is where the majority of the power will be coming from in this scenario.
Your demon allies are holding, managing to push the rockmen back, and your allies are battling beside them with grim determination, even as more of the rockmen arrive, their numbers continuing to grow.Battle?>Just keep fighting>Other orders (what?)Sireyi?>Lightning Bolt Salvastis>Power (what?)>Spell (what?)>Other (what?)Allies>Sister, Lightning Bolt Salvastis>Orders (what?)AlliesDemons (82, 2 are wounded)EnemiesSalvastis (wounded)Demon Guards (10, 4 are wounded)Rockmen (99)
>>36331664>Alright, but why?>Why risk Salvastis surviving when it won't even be killing the majority of his allies instead of maximizing the chance of it ending his life by using Lightning Bolt?Because Salvastis has most likely a defense against electricity damage on his own, which is why making sure all his bodyguards are dead and maybe killing him is preferable to just maybe killing him.
>>36331681>Just keep fighting>Lightning Bolt Salvastis>Sister, Lightning Bolt Salvastis>>36331686At least some of them will be caught in the Lightning Bolt, there aren't that many left and they're not a threat to Syberis or either of the Sireyis.
>>36331681>Other orders (what?)>Everyone gather around Sireyi as much as possible>Soul of Light>Eye of the storm>Lightning Storm on Salvastis, keep the storm where it can't hit our allies outside Eye of the Storm>Sister, Lightning Bolt Salvastis
>>36331717>At least some of them will be caught in the Lightning Bolt, there aren't that many left and they're not a threat to Syberis or either of the Sireyis.You really need to start thinking of others more. They are very much a threat to Jal, Jianxi, and Matthias and the Sofias.People around us are FRAGILE. The longer his demons life, the longer we risk one of them getting killed.
>>36331681>>36331731This.And adding:>Isla use Dimensional Anchor on Salvastis
>>36331751They'll probably surrender or flee once we vaporize their boss, the rockmen will also probably go inert after his death.There aren't even that many guards left, there'll be 5 left next turn and they'll be gone after that.
>>36331795>They'll probably surrender or fleeThats way too many probablies to gamble peoples live on in my opinion.
>>36331810We can resurrect people, they aren't even in serious danger, the only people on that list that they might be a threat to are Jal and Jianxi, some of them will still die from Lightning Bolt.Just put our mother on scrub duty instead of halving our damage potential for fuck's sake.
>>36331681>>36331731This and this>>36331765>>Isla use Dimensional Anchor on Salvastis
>>36331830>instead of halving our damage potential for fuck's sakeOh please, if he survives this round and isn't immune to lightning, we can still blast him with another full charge lightning bolt in the next round.
>>36331850What if he kills someone in the round of life he shouldn't have?
>>36331830>We can resurrect peopleThats not a reason to let them die out of hubris.We made that mistake way too often, time we learned from it.There is absolutely no need to take the risk of any of your probablies just to have our overkill be slightly more overkill.
I hope you guys realize that hurling lethal lightning knowing our loved ones will be collateral damage is out of character for Sireyi, even if she knows she ressurects them right afterwards.
>>36331863The chance of that is far less than the chance of the other demons doing the same thing, since he is only one dude.And again, its assuming lightning will do anything against him at all. Which I'm still not convinced.>>36331878Thats what we got Eye of the Storm for, there is no collateral damage.
>>36331868>Implying it's overkillYou do realize he has even more HP than we do, right?Even wounded, we've probably got another 1000 or so HP to chew through.
>>36331878I have no idea what you mean? The votes explictily make clear to use lightning storm within range of the electric immunity provided by EotS.
>>36331910They make it clear that we should get our allies close to us first and intentionally avoid hitting allies that aren't inside the storm, not that we should only use Lightning Storm within the area affected by Eye of the Storm.Because the latter would be retarded.
>>36331961Yeah I phrased it wrong, but the point is pretty clear that no ally will be in the range of the storm that isn't protected by Eye of the storm.
Soul of LightEye of the stormLightning Storm on Salvastis, keep the storm where it can't hit our allies outside Eye of the StormSister, Lightning Bolt SalvastisIt is, please roll 2d20, first is for you, 2nd for your sister.And please vote on extra divine energy used for you and your sister, on separate lines.
Rolled 7, 11 = 18 (2d20)>>36331987Use 1 DP for full charge, All of itAll of it
Rolled 19, 16 = 35 (2d20)>>36331987All of it.All of it.
Rolled 18, 11 = 29 (2d20)>>36331987
Rolled 16, 9 = 25 (2d20)>>36331987>>36332005What this guy said.
>>36332005If we need a full charge, I'd rather use our 1/hour restoration than burn a DP.We've also got ~100 DE remaining, it's a bit wasteful either way.
>>36331987Full charge off 1 DP, All o' it
>>36332019I really hope you posted on accident and are going to delte that instead of sabotaging our fight.>>36332040That would waste our HP reg of that hour restoration.
Rolled 12 (1d20)>>36331987>All of it, immediately use the recharge>All of it
>>36332061Its not even a legitimate vote, don't freak out.
>>36332061I'd rather waste something we'll get back in an hour than something we won't get back for 365 days.It's also still wasting 100 DE, it would be better to fire off a max power storm and then use a recharge.That way we'll also know if he's immune to Lightning (if he survives) or not without committing too many resources.
>>36332101>we'll get back in an hourWe might need it in a hour.While I understand your concern, I don't think this is the time to save resources beyond what we might need in the near future.The HP reg we might need if the other demons turn against us.
>>36331987Spend DP to surpass any Elemental resistance Salvastis has. Since from what I understand, we can use DP to do that.
>>36332164At least against his shield if it is still up, or again up.Although Pally would have probably asked us already if it were.
>>36332138It would still be better to use a recharge after burning all our existent Divine Energy on a Lightning Storm and seeing if he's immune or not, rather than committing Deific Power to something he might resist outright.And if he is immune, using a recharge post-Lightning Storm will leave us in peak condition to fight him with alternative means.>>36332164It's Deific Spell, not Deific Spell-like Ability, so this might not be possible.
>>36332229Or the additional 40 DE might be enough to outright kill him.I rather spend one or two DP more to be on the safe side here.
>>36332164It's a fair questionUse Deific Spell to bypass resistance? (2 Deific Power)Y/NIt does work with non-spell magical abilities, despite the name.
>>36332290>YYes. If we leave this fight with 30 DP we are still absolutely golden.
>>36332306what happens if we have 30DP?
So now that Elsa, Ebby, amd Shahulzer are freed up, can they help Jal out?And when should we summon the angels?
>>36332332Its what the second highest cost ability costs, calling a Paladin.So with 30 we can still do a lot of divine business.
>>36332290I've already voted but I just want to say our double should do it too.
>>36332351Possibly once either Salvastis reveals his last trick, if he has one, or when the other demons try to betray us.
>>36332351Yes, never.The fight is basically over, Salvastis gets some parting words at most.>>36332362I'd rather prioritize not trapping our worshipers in a hellish void over getting more paladins.
>>36332386>in a hellish voidIts not a hellish void, don't be so dramatic.And Heaven costs 100! DP. a few DP her or there don't make any real difference to our ability to make one. Even if we wouldn't have spend any here we would still be a long long distance away from that.
You shrink down, shedding your draconic form and resuming your angelic form “to me!” you order your allies, who cluster in as close as they can as you activate your powers to protect them against what happens next. You lash out with lightning, an incredibly powerful storm that dances around you, ripping apart your foes and sparing your allies. At the same time your sister blasts Salvastis with her own powers, he wilts under the combined assault.[Sireyi DE 0/178, DP 35][D.Sireyi DE 0/34, DP 8]When the flash of power fades, all of his demon guards are dead, the rockmen stare around in confusion and Salvastis himself is lying defeated on the floor, though not yet dead. The battle is over.Your allies, demon and otherwise stare at the two of you in wonder. “Pretty shocking huh” says your twin, with a tired-looking smile.“Did...did we win?” asks a bloodied Matthias, Jianxi supporting him. The two Sofias have only taken superficial wounds, Shahulzer and Ebonsong are fine, as is Isla. Jal totters over to lean on you “That’s my angel” she breathes on your ear, hardly able to keep on her feet “Now ‘ow ‘bout a magic touch ter make me feel better? And some healing o’course” she adds as an afterthought.“I congratulate you” Salvastis wheezes “on your tenacity if not your intelligence, you win. I surrender.”Your mother advances on him, grimly raising her sword high “As long as you live Salvastis” she says “you will be a threat to my daughter, prepare to die.”>Do nothing>Mother no!>Interrogate him>Kill him>Other (what?)
>>36332441>Kill himBetter we do it, don't know what doctrines mom has to follow.
>>36332441>Mother no!It's a trap, I'm sure of it!
>>36332441>Kill himFucker tortured our mother and threatened our children.He had his chance for mercy.
>>36332413>a few DP her or there don't make any real difference to our ability to make one. Even if we wouldn't have spend any here we would still be a long long distance away from that.Except they do, precisely because we're a long distance away from that.We've spent about a year's worth of DP in this one battle, which I can accept, because it's a high-risk battle, but after this we need to dial it back.>Its not a hellish void, don't be so dramatic.I'm just uncomfortable with the idea of people's reward for worshiping us being bleak nothingness, and I have no doubt Sireyi would feel the same way.
>>36332468also yeah, prepare to finish him off, but the last trick is coming up, probably.
>>36332441>Regenerate our DE>Hold mother back, we kill him, but this is a trap.>Roll Fellowship
>>36332441>Kill him>Mother no!
>>36332441>Other(What?)Antimagic FieldCall in AngelsInterrogate
>>36332484>about a year's worthHalf a year's worth, brain.Also technically less than that at this point, since we didn't expend the DP to recharge, which I didn't notice until after posting.
Seconding this >>36332520
>>36332441>"That sword was telling you how I let someone kill another who might be a threat" to Salvastis "OK Salvastis why shouldn't I let you die?"
>>36332441>>36332511>>36332520Adding those, except calling angels, call our two advisors
Rolled 7 (1d20)>>36332441>offer mercy if he lets himself be bound to fight the Lord of Life.I'd be willing to spend more DP on a practically unbreakable vow if this means we get a Duke of Hell as an ally for that war.We should also address the demons, tell them that a Lord of Life is slowly waking up. Before the cram it, at least.
>>36332441>>36332548JUst to be clear.ISLA casts AM field. I don't want any kind of Arcane fumble bullshit because we cast with too little AE.
>>36332556Because binding people to fight has never ended poorly and the Lord of Life certainly has no experience breaking things the Gods create.
>>36332583I mean, we pretty much did that with Shahulzer.And see how that ended for the binder.
>>36332441Our Dp should be 33. We spend 1 on recharge and 2 on negating his defenses. Even if we didn't recharge, it would be 34.
Rolled 10 (1d20)>>36332583The difference being that we would offer this as an option, with the bind just being there to make sure the Duke fulfills his side of the deal.Also, it is in his interest to fight the Lord of Life. he just doesn't believe us that there is one awake.
You killing him + rolling fellowship to detect deception (I think) is the winner.So please roll fellowship 1d20+19
>>36332668>with the bind just being there to make sure the Duke fulfills his side of the dealExcept he wouldn't. If he can betray us, he will. And our gaes will not stop him from it, nor will it stop the LoL to break it.
Rolled 3 + 19 (1d20 + 19)>>36332668You're forgetting that he hates the shit out of us and our mother, whether we bind him unwillingly or not is completely irrelevant, he'll still try to kill or betray us as soon as possible.Untrustworthy allies are worse than enemies.>>36332695
Rolled 5 + 19 (1d20 + 19)>>36332695
>>36332658Thanks for spotting.Just to clarify, no you've not (yet) used DP to recharge DE, so it's 34.
Rolled 18 + 19 (1d20 + 19)>>36332695If we kill him depends on iwhat we figure out now.Either he wants us to kill him, or he wants to stall us for his self-destruct or some bullshit.And there is still his main army on the way.
>>36332721We should, I want to be ready to Ride the Worldstorm out of here if he gets the idea to make the castle blow up.
>>36332695>You killing himBetter idea, we allow the other demons to kill him.Its just afterall, he harmed them too.
>>36332771If we're leaving, I'd rather use the once-an-hour charge that doesn't consume a Deific Power.>>36332797You need Holy damage to kill a demon for good, IIRC.
>>36332818>You need Holy damage to kill a demon for good, IIRC.Shouldn't stop them from trying, I bet.
>>36332835I'd rather actually kill him than give OP a convenient excuse to bring him back later on.
Rolled 6 (1d20)>>36332695Also don't forget to have one of these soul-catchers nearby, in case he wants to escape thataway, and to cast dimensional lock beforehand.It's really weird for him not to have fled.
>>36332888>It's really weird for him not to have fled.It might be because of his teleportation trap making that impossible, but it is suspicious.
“Stop” you say, moving up beside you mother “This could be a trap”, indeed you see Salvastis is gathering himself to do something, despite his weakened state. He’s not out of tricks yet.“Isla” you say “get ready to block any magic” she starts casting a dispel magic spell.“Everyone else” you say “get ready for...anything”You approach Salvastis, raising your halberd “Salvastis” you say “Duke of Hell, I pronounce you guilty of kidnapping, torture, attempted murder and a plethora of other crimes, your sentence is death.”“On what authority?” he asks, his eyes glittering“On my own as a goddess” you say, adding in a whisper “you shouldn’t have hurt my family, anything else I might have been able to forgive.”You bring your halberd down even as you draw upon your own life force to channel divine energy into your strike to end his existence. He tries to twist out of the way and you feel a burst of arcane energies; that Isla counters. In the end the death of the demon lord who has plagued you for years, the demon lord who kidnapped and tortured your mother, who was involved in the attempt on your children, is almost anti-climatic: he dies screaming and begging as your halberd takes his life.As his body dissolves, its energies returning to Hell, your shoulders slump, you feel as if a shadow over your life has been lifted. You know there are many things for you left to do, but this one is done, no longer do you need to feat him, your mother is free, and so are you. Even in Hell, you suddenly feel so happy. The world seems so much lighter now.“Why didn’t he flee?” asks your Sofia, one of the demons answers “Greed” he says “Too greedy, too close to his prize, his greed was greater than his sense of self-preservation, the idiot” he finishes contemptuously.
As Salvastis dies, the mountains scream a final time and vast spars of rock shoot upwards and sideways, impaling the fortress, a self-destruct mechanism or an attack, you can’t tell. The demonic magics of the place run wild, lights flash and explosions and flames billow from the windows and doors.Moments later horns sound in the camp before the fortress and bright red signal lights are lit. As you watch demons begin appearing in the camp, teleporting in, hundreds at once. The three-faced sorcerer demon says “Ah yes, the army is supposed to return in situations like this, no doubt one of the Dukes Generals will eventually seize power, though the civil war could go on for some time.”“Yeah” says the bearlike demon “Best to wait until that dies down before dividing up the plane.”“Or trying to take it for oneself” remarks a demon that resembles a pile of snakes. The various demon nobles eye one another suspiciously.“Really?” says your double, looking at them scornfully and folding her arms “You’re wondering which of you gets to be in charge, when we’re standing right here?”“Ah” says the sorcerer, turning to you “So what are your plans now godling? Will you annex this plane, or perhaps choose a successor to Salvastis?” he bows deeply “Allow me to be the first to congratulate you upon your victory and to offer my services, I am Rezux, and my skills are both sorcery and administration, I would be an excellent and loyal representative for yo-”“Wait a minute!” yells another demon “If Rezux is allowed to offer his services so should I”“And I” yells another. Soon they’re all telling you how loyal and competent they would be, if you were to support their claim to ruling this layer of Hell.
“Daughter” says your mother, coming up to your side and laying a hand on your shoulder “don’t get involved, no good ever comes of setting up puppet rulers in Hell.”“I dunno” says your twin “a layer of Hell loyal to you could bring in a lot of power.”>Try to pick a single ruler for this Hell>Divide it between suitable candidates>I’m done, sort it out yourselves>Other
>>36333076>Divide it between suitable candidatesWow. Well this is pretty badass. They can worship our Twin.
>>36333076>I’m done, sort it out yourselvesSyberis has been doing this sort of thing for way, way longer than we have; she's probably speaking from experience.
>>36333076>leave it to our Twin if she cares, she'll make as good a choise as us.
>>36333076>I’m done, sort it out yourselves>At the demons: You have seen what the path of greed and evil brings you. Look at the corpse of this former Duke. I don't care for your plays of power and politics, what I care for is just this. There is redemption possible for all of you, let go of your ways of evil and creutly, your greed and ignorance, and I can help you to find good and redemption. Not a path of power, but of peace. I will not force you, but if any of you, truly wish good over evil, I offer you my help and sanctuary.We are not going to dirty our hands on hell politics. Anyone we support will be just as bad as the others.
>>36333076>OtherTake the plane, let them figure out the heirarchy themselves
>>36333076>OtherSounds like they're offering up to try redeeming touch...
>>36333076>I’m done, sort it out yourselves
>>36333076>Divide it between suitable candidates
>>36333076>I’m done, sort it out yourselvesThis isn't our business.>>36333136This is what we should care about.
>>36333076Oh wait, heuhue I back what this anon >>36333151is saying.
>>36333076Supporting >>36333136I really like that write-in.
>>36333076I'll support the write in at least >>36333136
>>36333076>>36333136At least someone here has his priorities straight.Seconding this. Everyone who wants can try the redeeming touch. The rest can stay in hell.
>>36333076>>36333136Don't need a conga line of redeeming demons now, but we can offer them to come to us if they ever want to try redemption.
>>36333162You're supposed to link OP and your original vote and declare what you're changing it to, not re-vote and delete your original vote.Assuming that's what happened here and why you deleted your vote.Example:>>[numbers] (OP's post)>>[numbers] (your post)Changing to >>[numbers] (thing you're changing to)
Rolled 9 (1d20)>>36333076Normally I'd agree with mother. However, the threat of a Lord of Life makes me reconsider.>Pick a temporary ruler / group of rulers.>Make sure they know this is only temporary.>Assure them that they will be left to their own devices after the Lord of Life has been dealt with, and that their service would most entirely be to counter this specific threat. Given that he is a common enemy, this should keep them at least somewhat in check.
>>36333076I said >>36333114 and syill think it's the best way to pick a candidate but I want to back >>36333136Can we just fly up into the sky and tell the whole layer that this is on offer or would that use too much energy?
>>36333076>I’m done, sort it out yourselves>To our sister. You should know better than to think a layer of hell could ever be loyal. It will cost us more to reign the demons in than it would give us.
I think some people don't realise how massive a layer of hell is. We talk about thousands of demons here. Sireyi could never reign those all in, and if she gets involved here, the blood of all innocents spilled by these demons will be on her hands.For absolutely no benefit, because we would have to constantly fight attempts to usurp our power, and if we try to have them fight the LoL, he will just offer them more freedom for betraying us, because he doesn't have to give a shit.
I suggested >>36333151 the redeeming touch as a price because I expected all of them to back out and not risk it, honestly.Demons are a superstitious and cowardly lot.
>>36333496I fully expect them to not take the offer.But we had to try.
>>36333076To be clear I just want to offer these guys a chance at redemption. Ruling hell is stupid and I have no interest in it.
>>36333520Well that one write-in also offers redemption, just less as a price and more as something they can do if they want, which is better in my mind.
“It could” you agree with your twin “But I accomplished what I came here to do, and I have no desire to be a ruler of Hell, by proxy or otherwise.” You turn to the demons “You have seen what the path of greed and evil brings you. Look at the corpse of this former Duke. I don't care for your plays of power and politics, what I care for is just this: there is redemption possible for all of you, let go of your ways of evil and cruelty, your greed and ignorance, and I can help you to find good and redemption. Not a path of power, but of peace. I will not force you, but if any of you, truly wish good over evil, I offer you my help and sanctuary.”The demons look at one another and then the sorcerer demon bows respectfully “I admire your might and strength of character goddess, but I believe I speak for all here when I say that I have never sought redemption, nor do I seek it now. I wish only peace between us however, is there nothing I can offer you?”You think “The succubi” you say “Get a bad deal in Hell, on this plane at least, that stops.”The demons all look at one another uneasily, finally the bearlike demon speaks “I personally have no problem with this Goddess, but you’re asking for a huge change, even if I could force all of my followers to treat succubi well, the succubi would not take such behaviour at face value – false amnesties have been used to draw them in and enslave them before.”You close your eyes in frustration, Hell it seems, is too used to double-dealings and betrayal to take an honest offer. And demons are too unruly to truly follow orders.“Fine” you say in a tone that suggests that it’s anything but fine “I’ll find another solution to the Succubi problems, but whatever that is, you can go along with it” you glance at the remains of Salvastis “Or else.”The demon nobles all assure you that they won’t cross you, whatever you decide. And under your gaze, they start to leave.
“Are you sure of this my daughter” asks your mother “The succubi may be victims in Hell, but they are still demons.”You turn to your mother “I’ve seen them suffer” you say “I can’t turn my back on them.”She hugs you “I’m proud of your compassion my child, but perhaps you need to consider this carefully, and not rush into it.”You touch Jal and heal her injuries as you think about what to say next, your train of thought interrupted by your twin “So how about we go talk to this Succubus Queen” she says “Vilyeten or whatever her name was, right now” she glances down at the massed army of demons that is beginning to organise into factions and camps, soon they’ll start fighting, your twin continues “with everyone being distracted, now is a good time.”“There’re still all the magical things in the vault” pipes up Ebonsong. Jianxi looks at the crumbling fortress under your feet “I dunno” she says “digging that out could take weeks.”“Yeah” agrees Isla “And the magic around this place isn’t very stable either.”“Whatever you decide” says Matthias loyally “We’re with you.”>Find Vilyetens, your time in Hell isn’t over yet>Go home, you’ve had enough>Dig for magic items>Other (what?)
>>36333543So: let them sort it out, but be a bit cheeky and say we can choose for them... if they're brave enough to gain empathy through redeeming touch and think they can survive managing a horde of backstabbing, power-hungry demons afterwards.
>>36333735>Get a bad deal in Hell, on this plane at least, that stops.At least you tried. Maybe we can set up a gate town as sanctuary for succubutts from where they can flee into one of our domains.
>>36333758>Dig for magic items>Find Vilyetens, your time in Hell isn’t over yet
>>36333758>Find Vilyetens, your time in Hell isn’t over yetWhile we are already here.
>>36333758>>Find Vilyetens, your time in Hell isn’t over yetMight as well take this chance while everything is destabilized.
>>36333758>Find Vilyetens, your time in Hell isn’t over yetNot gonna waste time digging for magic items on the off-chance we find the one that might actually be useful to us.
>>36333758>Dig for magic items
>>36333758>Dig for magic itemsIt would be downright irresponsible to leave the special weapons vault full.
>>36333758>Dig for magic itemsthen >Find Vilyetens, your time in Hell isn’t over yet
>>36333758>Find Vilyetens, your time in Hell isn’t over yet
>>36333758>Find Vilyetens, your time in Hell isn’t over yet>have some people dig for the treasuresMother's weapons are still in there.
>>36333758>Find Vilyetens, your time in Hell isn’t over yetAt least thats a mindset we have experience dealing with, thanks Elahi.
>>36333758>Dig for magic itemsAt lest the Elemental weapons should be recovered and perhaps some of the more dangerous ones in the vault should be destroyed. including those spears Salvastis used. Don't want anyone else to get their hands on those now do we?>Find Vilyetens, your time in Hell isn’t over yet
>>36333873>Mother's weapons are still in there.We have our mothers weapons. Our dad gave the shards to us when he died.
>>36333758>Find Vilyetens, your time in Hell isn’t over yet>Dig for magic itemsBoth. Both is good.
>>36333758>digging that out could take weeksDid you guys miss this part or something?Where do you think we are going to take these weeks?
>>36333924No. But its still worth it. Makes more sense than spending weeks MAKING THEM
Both it is, items first.
>>36333758We can do the Vilyetens thing now and come back to grab the shinys when we're done.
>>36333949Except we can spend those weeks not a in a crumbling demon fortress with a civil war going to break out soon?Thats even assuming what we find down there is actually useful.
>>36333949>making magic itemsWe have barely ever made any. And most of those down there would be demonic anyway. Definitly not worth spending WEEKS recovering them.
>>36333949We get 30 free weeks a year and most of the weapons are probably destroyed.
>>36334013Do you remember the Armory that had large halls with the labels *mortal*, *giant*, *undead*, *elemental*, *fae* and *unknown* on them? Why the hell would you want to pass up free loot?
>>36334072Because it isn't free?
>>36334072Useless, useless, useless, probably destroyed, useless, bad juju.It's also not free loot.
>>36334072I think the biggest issue is the matter of time that could be spent doing other things. Like managing realms and building up infrastructure and seeking a permanent end to the frost thingy that the Lord of Life has sent. I will admit that the artifacts could be helpful, but it may be iffy.
>>36334072How is it free if it costs us massive amount of time? This thread confirmed to me that weekend threads are the absolute worst, the threads this entire week were great, but come weekend its raging idiots flooting the quest
“Leaving those weapons there if we can get at them is irresponsible” you say as you lead your allies into the crumbling ruins of the fortress. You spend several hours trying to find your way to the special weapons vault, backtracking regularly as corridors are buckled or completely collapsed, eventually it becomes clear that there is no way to the vaults, at least no direct way.“Right” says your double “Stand back” she stares at the pile of rock and metal blocking the passage in front of you and casts a spell to disintegrate the mass. A beam of light shoots out and hits the mass, making it vanish, at the same time you all flinch as a multicoloured explosion throws your twin backwards, making a large dent in the metal wall behind her.“Ouch....” she says softly.“I told you magic wasn’t a good idea here” says Isla “The spells of this place have become unravelled and will play havoc with any arcane magic you use – and divine magic might not be a good idea in a destroyed demon fortress either.”“Still” says Jianxi “That’s one corridor clear, and she” she glances at your twin” is tough enough to take the a few wild magics.”“Haha” says your twin “You’re funny Jianxi, I’ll enslave you last.”“So it’ll be manual work from here” says Matthias “We’ll need to work in shifts and guard against any wandering demons that come in here with the same idea.”>Yeah, we need those items>No, this will take too long>OtherNot continuing defaults to going to see the succubi, unless write-ins override.
>>36334216>No, this will take too long
>>36334216>No, this will take too longI'd rather spend those weeks with our family, weapons are probably destroyed anyway.
>>36334087>>36334099>>36334116Ummm... because we aren't losing anything other than time? Do you understand the concept of free? Its not like Sireyi has to be in the fucking mine slaving away to actually retrieve them.>>36334108>managing realmsWe do that already.>building up infrastructure We do that at year end in one fell swoop during realm management.>seeking a permanent end to the frost thingy that the Lord of LifeI imagine that won't take very long.I think you guys are seriously overestimating how much a couple weeks will set us back.Bunch of whiners you lot are.
>>36334216>No, this will take too longIMost of those will be destroyed in the upcoming civil war, and if they were any dangerous, Salvastis would have used them.
>>36334216>Yeah, we need those items
>>36334216>No, this will take too long>>36334248>It costs time>its free Do you not understand that if something COSTS something its by definition not free?
>>36334216>No, this will take too long>spending hours if not days in crumbling demon fortress for weapons we already know aren't that usefulHow about no?
>>36334248>I think you guys are seriously overestimating how much a couple weeks will set us backIf a couple of weeks don't set us back much, why should we waste time retrieving these items, which we could just make in a couple of weeks?
>>36334302Riiiight. So at what point does something cost time? A second? A minute, a day? By your idea of it "costing" time, literally nothing is "free"Alright what the fuck ever guys. If you don't want to fucking loot the armory of a goddamn Duke of Hell, fine by fucking me.
>>36334366>If you don't want to fucking loot the armory of a goddamn Duke of Hell,If these items were useful, he would have used them against us. We are close to godhood, we are way out of his class already.And the moment something costs you, its not for free. So any amount of time which you could spend doing something else, is a cost.
>>36334099I would not call something in that vault that we can use useless, I also would not want another deamon getting any of them. Everything in there was, if I recall right, good against deamons and even if we can't use them we can give them as gifts to those who can.>>36334216>No, this will take too longWe can come back later.
>>36334366>literally nothing is "free"Well, "literally" seen, yes.Or at least, very few hypothetical things are ever "literally" for free.When someone says something is for "free" its nearly always hyperbole.
No it is, writing
>>36334412>I would not call something in that vault that we can use uselessAssuming we can use those items made for demons.
>>36334403You're completely right. Any weapon of value must have been used. Theres no way there is anything in there that simply would not have fit into his specific strategy or simply been surplus weapons.>>36334448Not made for demons anon. Unless you think that the weapons in the other Armories would be unlike the angel armory which was filled with angelic energies?
>>36334481>Any weapon of value must have been used.Of value for who, is the question. Surely they were of value to him, since he stored them. But its questionable if they are of great enough value for us to justify spending hours if not days in a crumbling demon fortress with wild magic.
>>36334403They might not have been too powerful against us or the lords of life, but they might have been useful for our followers against lols' minions
>>36334481>which was filled with angelic energieYou forgot how he modified that sword?And if that vault was a indication for what we can expect, I am not impressed.
>>36334412>DeamonsDemons.>Everything in there was, if I recall right, good against deamonsYou recall wrong, it was just a special weapons vault, the only things that were stated to be good against demons were in the angelic vault, which we've already looted.Elemental is the only other vault I have any real interest in, and even then it's a 1/16 chance of it being storm-related and a further chance of it not being broken as a result of the castle fucking exploding.>>36334481They were tampering with the Angelic weapons with some success, and those were actively resisting the demon's attempts. I don't hold high hopes that the other weapons were so lucky.
>>36334552We have a a few mages and our own 30 weeks per year for crafting magic items. Which we can spend not in a crumbling fortress.
>>36334448>Assuming we can use those items made for demons.You wern't here last thread were you? We looted the Angel vault.Pally can you please confirm we're talking about the vault of things that could hurt demons alot so Salvastis locked them up?
“This is going to take too long” you say “And we can come back later.”“If demons haven’t looted it” points out Jianxi“Quiet you” you say, as you all head to the roof.“Well my daughter” asks your mother “What are your plans for dealing with the succubi queen?”“And how are you even going to find her?” asks Shahulzer“I’m sure we can find them through Scrying.” Says Isla“And you’ll scare them” says your Sofia “And put them on the defensive.”“Not a bad thing” says the other Sofia “Make sure they know you are a power to be respected: and that you can back up any offer, or threat you make.”“A softer approach would be better” argues your Sofia, turning to her duplicate “we should find another succubi group and ask them to pass on a message to this Vilyeten, not just barge in to her secret lair.”“They both make good points” says Matthias“Stop staring at them” says Jianxi, putting a jealous hand on Matthias’ arm as he watches the two Sofias square off against each other, their faces inches apart, neither willing to back down. Jal is watching this with a worried (or excited?) grin.>Soft diplomatic approach, you want allies>Authoritative approach, you mean business>Other approach (what?)
>>36334658>Soft diplomatic approach, you want allies>We send them a message through the succubutts we have already convinced. We want a audience and can offer them a safe place.
>>36334658>Soft diplomatic approach, you want allies
>>36334658>>Diplomatic approachWe're the kindly angel after all.
>>36334651>Pally can you please confirm we're talking about the vault of things that could hurt demons alot so Salvastis locked them up?You looted the angelic vault fully, which had all the stuff made by/for angels.The other stuff was made by/for other things (mortals, elementals etc), there might be anti-demon weapons in those, or they could simply be powerful items that Salvastis wanted locked up when not in use.
>>36334658>Soft diplomatic approach, you want allies>To the other Sofia: We will make a stronger impression by showing we have no need for idle threats. We have slayed a Duke of Hell, I don't think scrying will impress them anymore than this will
>>36334715Thanks, my bad anons.
>>36331660Since there wasn't time for it before>you wonder if maybe she’ll give her permission for you to use your magic to create your own J- focus!Get hype!
>>36334835>Get hype!Nah. That was probably just a comedy line anyway.
>>36334867Comedy lines have great power in this quest.
>>36334887Since when?There was more interesting line in the same post anyway.
>>36334658"Oh just kiss already."
>>36334980Jal pls.Not now.
>>36335014yes now. They are perfect for the "Now Kiss" head smooshing.
>>36335121my brother! remember to link Pally's post so he doesn't miss your vote.
>>36335171You meant that as a real option?It's not even something Sireyi would say, if OP accepts it, it'll be because he found it amusing and he'll have our double or Jal say it.It's also not really fitting.
>>36335229I would see it as something Jal would say to ease the tension.
>>36335229All of my votes are real options! Especially the ones that aren't!
“A soft approach is best” you say, noting your Sofia give her double a superior smirk “I want allies, not people who only follow me because they fear my power.”“We’ll find Gazasta and her group” you say “Hyalia can take a message to her Queen.”A few spells later, you and your allies stand before Gazastra and her advisors, as well as Hyalia, having explained what happened.“So in summary” you finish “Duke Salvastis is dead and his army is busy deciding who gets to be in charge, with maybe another 80 demon nobles all staking a claim as well, the resulting chaos and disorder should take the pressure off the succubi of this plane for a time.”“Ah yes” says Gazastra, giving you a look of respect and yes, fear. You sigh inwardly, that’s exactly the response you didn’t want to provoke. You have resumed your natural half-angel form, no point in hiding what you are now. You turn to Hyalia “Tell Queen Vilyetens” you say “I’ll meet her at a time and place of her choosing, and that she can bring whomever she wants – I come to her as an ally, and I’ll not start our future friendship by telling her what to do” inwardly you add to yourself, and I don’t fear her, either.You turn back to Gazastra “Whatever deal I make with Vilyetens will be offered to all the succubi of this plane too, I know you don’t like her, but if she tells you want the terms are, please at least listen to her messenger.”Gazastra nods, “I can do that” she says “What deal do you intend to get out of her?”“It depends upon a number of things” you say “Where the succubi want to go, how many there are.” You ask Hyalia “How many Succubi do follow Vilyetens?”Hyalia looks at you consideringly “If you add those on this layer that don’t follow her” she says “since you intend to make your offer to them as well, and those on other layers that follow her as well, you’ll be finding homes for perhaps a million and a half succubi.”
Your twin gives a long, low whistle “That’s a lot” she observes.“Yeah” says your Sofia “I’m not sure the King of Dornmer will even let you bring more than a few hundred into Dalvin.”“So what do you intend to offer the succubi?” asks your mother“They can choose where they go” you say “Dalvin, Drache or the Tribal Lands, subject to the rulers of those places giving them permission, and they *might*” you stress that word “have to accept restrictions on their abilities, and possibly population controls, again depending upon the rulers of those places. I’ll offer transformation into an angel for any succubi that wants it, and they are free to worship who they want.”“You are one of the rulers” says the other Sofia “What are your restrictions going to be?”Numbers? (of immigrants)>Fixed number (what?)>Percentage of Dalvin population as max (what?)>OtherSuccubi Powers?>Same laws as everyone else (your realm does have laws regarding use of magic on others, this option means that succubi operate as the same set of rules as everyone else)>Restrict mind-reading powers>Restrict charm/control powers>Restrict life-draining powersSuccubi don’t need to use life-drain to survive, but they can use it to heal, recover arcane energy, boost some of their other powers, and they enjoy itPopulation>Cannot exceed non-demon population>Maximum of # of children per succubi (how many?)>Other (what?)
Note, calling this vote now as at start of next quest there will likely only be a handful of players. Rest of thread is open to discuss this. Previous votes have defined some of Sireyis decisions regarding the succubi, this is the last chance to change the plan. The actual result of what happens could change depending upon what happens, but right now Sireyi has the following plan:- Succubi choose their realm- As many as want to can come- Rulers can choose to limit numbers- Rulers can choose to limit powers- Rulers can choose to limit population (breeding)The above vote is about Sireyi planning her response to these things, Ellahi and Dark Sireyi might choose differently.And of course, the King of Dornmer may place his own restrictions, and Sireyi might review these restrictions at a later date.---And with that the thread comes to an end. Thank you for playing you’ve been great players, and thank you for going straight for Salvastis, that sped things up alot, and resulted in Jal not having her soul sucked out.Next thread is going to start 12-noon BST – just over 11 hours from now.
>>36335622>Percentage of Dalvin population as max (what?)20%>Same laws as everyone else (your realm does have laws regarding use of magic on others, this option means that succubi operate as the same set of rules as everyone else)>Cannot exceed non-demon population
>>36335622>Other>No more than 7% at first, we need the succubi and rest of the population to get used to eachother.>Same laws as everyone else (your realm does have laws regarding use of magic on others, this option means that succubi operate as the same set of rules as everyone else)>Maximum of # of children per succubi (how many?)>2
>>36335622>Percentage of Dalvin population as max (what?)20% Demon 10% Angel>Restrict charm/control powers>Restrict life-draining powersI don't mind the mind reading powers but with charm/draining powers it is easier to go overboard. I don't mind if its not a full restriction.>>Maximum of # of children per succubi (how many?)3
>>36335690Okay, I I can see more than 7% maybe, but a population a fifth of our current, especially considering our recent food problem, which is still ongoing, seems unviable to me.
>>36335622We could give them this layer, noones going to stand against us if we do.
>>36335622>Percentage of Dalvin population as max (what?)>5%>Same laws as everyone else (your realm does have laws regarding use of magic on others, this option means that succubi operate as the same set of rules as everyone else)>Maximum of # of children per succubi (how many?) 2
>>36335755Very true. But there's a few demons who'd stand against you if you did. You'd need to set someone up as ruler of this layer, and support them.
>>36335737Ummm why are you maxing angel at 10 percent and lower than demons?
>>36335622Numbers>As many as are willing.Succubi Powers?>Same laws as everyone else (your realm does have laws regarding use of magic on others, this option means that succubi operate as the same set of rules as everyone else)>Restrict life-draining powersPopulation>Cannot exceed non-demon population>Maximum of # of children per succubi (3)
>>36335794How much untapped potential farmland does our barony even have?I want to know if they can build a community before we send them in and possibly kick of overpopulation and famines.
>>36335802I am assuming most succubi would rather keep their demon form rather than transforming into angels.
>>36335845Given your deific powers, Velyas guidance, and your sister taking control of the Tribal Lands, potentially a lot. You can turn rocky mountains into useable cropland if you need to, and there's a lot of space on the edges of the Tribal Lands
>>36335622>Percentage of Dalvin population as max (what?)>15% for nowWe have to be able to actually sustain that population jump, our barony will have 100k next year, and we are in the middle of a food crisis. Not to mention the pressure on the treasury this will put. This choice isn't about who we want, its about how many we can actually sustain>Same laws as everyone else (your realm does have laws regarding use of magic on others, this option means that succubi operate as the same set of rules as everyone else)>Maximum of # of children per succubi (how many?)>1, again temporary
>>36335622>Percentage of Dalvin population (12%)>Restrict life-draining powers>Less severe restriction on charm/control powers>Cannot exceed non-demon population>Maximum of # of children per succubi (2)
>>36335907Thats a good point I hadn't considered.We can settle them on the border between our domains, that would be actually pretty useful.Changing:>>36335716To>Other>As many as willing provided they are willing to take up farming to sustain themselves.>20% as vague guideline, but we need to talk that up with our sister, between the two of us, we would take all that don't want to go to Drache
>>36335737I wonder how you imagine restrictions on their powers to look like that go beyond the regular restrictions?
>>36335622Numbers>I leave this to smarter anons then ISuccubi Powers?>Restrict mind-reading powers>Restrict charm/control powers>Restrict life-draining powersPopulation>Cannot exceed non-demon populationThanks for running pally! You pretty much made this day bearable for me. You're aces all the way!
>>36335622Alright then.>Same laws as everyone else (your realm does have laws regarding use of magic on others, this option means that succubi operate as the same set of rules as everyone else)See no reason why they should have anymore, I actually agree on this with the anon that flipped out last time.Other than that:>>36335993This looks like agood idea, even if vague, but the idea should be that we give all of them a home, that they can build themselves with our help.Hard work forms character, afterall.
>>36336017What regular restrictions? If your talking about laws, they know nothing about them especially since they have lived in hell. They would still think that are free in a sense and start relying on their powers. By placing a restriction beforehand telling and explaining why we can minimize any fallout from the actions of the succubi.
>>36335993Even with all the things OP mentioned, I'm not sure if we'll have room for all the succubi that'll want to go live under their "savior's" rule.It would also result in us having way, way more succubi than we do human populace.
>>36336096So you misunderstood the vote here?The point now is the restrictions we put on them in addition to regular laws, which of course we will inform them of.These now are explicitly restrictions that go beyond the normal ones for everyone.
>>36336120I actually think our sister territory will be more attractive, but thats also why I said ~20% as guideline, if it exceeds that, we will have to see how we manage that.
>>36336096I think you got confused by the discussion last time, those are two different votes. This time its not about our agreement with the succubutts, this time its actually about additional restrictions we will put in place once they live in our land.Thats why the first option says "Same laws as everyone else", so everything in addition, would be new laws for the succubi.
>>36336131Consensual life-draining still isn't something I'm okay with, and I've no idea whether currently existent laws on charm spells cover the potentially-extremely-subtle powers of a succubus.OP needs to post the laws in our barony concerning these things.Main fear of those two interacting: Succubus seduces someone non-magically, asks to use charm spells to 'enhance the experience', person agrees, succubus proceeds to persuade the charmed person to consent to life being drained.
>>36336131>>36336196No I am not. I know we are technically applying regular laws + restrictions. But we need that extra restriction before they can cross certain boundaries. Succubi use of their powers are similar to breathing. It is natural for them. By placing the extra restrictions they would be more conscious of it and thus deter them from relying on it.
The succubi don't need to eat so they could farm without needing food, this is more something our double would bring up than us and not that big a deal after we kill frosty (have we told her we plan to kill the bad weather yet?)
>>36336229>persuade the charmed person to consent to life being drainedThats definitly illegal.Charming someone into allowing themselves to be killed is something regular sorcerers could do too, so there are laws for this.The same is true for every other part really.>>36336240Okay, again, what would those extra restrictions be?
>>36336254I'm pretty sure they do?They were said to be the most human demons, so I assumed they needed food, and Pally didn't correct me when I asked about the food situation concerning them, so I assume they actually do need to eat.
>>36336229>Consensual life-draining still isn't something I'm okay withWhat is the problem if its consensual?Its just a kinky fetish in that case, and I see no point forbidding people "harmless" kinky fetishes.Well, about as harmless as say, erotic asphyxiation or something.
>>36336263Why are you asking me that? Look at what my vote was.I said that we should at least have some form of restriction to their drain/charm powers. I was fine with not putting a full restriction as they maybe a bit too controlling.As for exactly what the restriction entails, I would say they are banned from using high level charm powers of any sort. As for drain, a restriction on who they can drain from and how much per person.
>>36336254Succubi are one of the kinds of demon that need regular food, IIRC.>>36336361Erotic asphyxiation doesn't leave people fatigued and incapable of independence.How about no draining people to the point where they're incapable of taking care of themselves and no draining anyone under the influence of any sort of mind-altering substance? Would that be acceptable?
>>36335644>, and thank you for going straight for Salvastis, that sped things up alot, and resulted in Jal not having her soul sucked out.Glad about that at least.Maybe you can tell us tomorrow some of the things we avoided or missed.>>36335622>Other>We will discuss it with our sister how many the two of us together can sustain>Ideally we can take all those that don't want to go to DracheI like the idea of border settlements of succubi.>Same laws as everyone else (your realm does have laws regarding use of magic on others, this option means that succubi operate as the same set of rules as everyone else)Sounds fair, I assume we have laws on life-draining, since we have good undead and legal necromancers.>Maximum of # of children per succubi>2Not really enforcable with the border realm idea, but we need to tlk that out with the other Sireyi too.
>>36336283OK, I can't see us using it anyway but I like throwing ideas like that adout. Assuming about a quarter of that a million and a half succubi send us worship (I think that was the number given last tread but that was for the single pack) how much DP will we have at the end of this do you think? Could we end up with a heaven with Love Angels for our dead?
>>36336425>How about no draining people to the point where they're incapable of taking care of themselves and no draining anyone under the influence of any sort of mind-altering substance?I honestly can see no reason why these things wouldn't already be illegal. As far as I remember we have good aligned undead in this setting, so the occasional vampire must have happened.
>>36336489A reason to why we wouldn't have it is that most of the time its burn the heretic and demons. Its only our church that is more open minded. The church of Koing would most likely attack undead on sight, thus any laws regarding draining would be useless.
>>36336473Last time we got around 50 or so? I don't remember and can't look it up this fast on mobile.So with roughly three times that again, we probably would at least get very close to it, despite the diminished returns.
>>36336489They might be illegal already, but I can't be certain because *I don't know what the fucking laws are*, so I figure that I'll cover my bases and possibly reduce the restrictions later on.>>36336473Perfectly okay with getting a Heaven, everything else depends entirely on what you mean by 'love angels'.
>>36336579I see no reason for "additional" restrictions then, if we assume the existing laws are already as harsh as possible.Also, we know that Konig doesn't make all the laws, since Velyas church brining about some unpopular laws, especially in regards to prostitution, was one of the earliest plot points of this quest.>>36336655>They might be illegal alreadyThe fact that there is a "Exisiting laws" option, shows clearly laws on it already exist.
>>36336693>The fact that there is a "Exisiting laws" option, shows clearly laws on it already exist.That's way too vague for me to be okay with it.
>>36336749And>Additional restrictionsisn't too vague?
>>36336693The laws wouldn't be there. Its just a doctrine of KILL THE DEMON so thus there would not be any laws that regulate the demons since they are considered enemies. You don't regulate an enemy, you just simply destroy them. That is why we need more specific restrictions as the laws are meant for humans.
>>36336769>so thus there would not be any laws that regulate the demons since they are considered enemies.But we know for a fact there are laws concerning demons. We had to deal with them already.
>>36336766Yeah, it is, that's why I named specifics about what restrictions I wanted in relation to life drain.>>36336425>How about no draining people to the point where they're incapable of taking care of themselves and no draining anyone under the influence of any sort of mind-altering substance? Would that be acceptable?
>>36336769Several years of Shahulzer living in our barony, I would assume laws about demons exist that don't always consider them enemies.
>>36336783The laws are simply to isolate and locate the demons/cultists. For examply there is a law saying no demon cults allowed or no summoning demons. That is the type of laws we were shown/dealt with. Not anything with regulating actual demons. Concerning yes, regulating no.
>>36336866But we do have laws about the use of magic. And using spells, including charm spells, on others is classified as assault and is as such illegal.
>>36336866Except none of these abilities are unique to demons.Life-drain, charm and mind-reading are all things people can do with spells. Sorcerer exist. Ergo, laws must exist with people using these kinds of powers.
>>36336783There are laws concerning demon worshipers that we've dealt with, yeah. That law is that all demons should be banished/destroyed and the sentence for illegally summoning a demon or worshiping one is death.>>36336823He lives pretty far away from any areas inhabited by humans, they might not even know he's a hellwyrm and instead just assume he's some rare kind of dragon.
>>36336901They had him in their prison, they know pretty well he is a hellwyrm.
>>36336899I can't imagine any of those things being legal to use unless acting on the behalf of an authority (mind reading, maybe charm) or in self-defense, so why are further restrictions even an option?>>36336934The church itself does, most people probably don't, like the ones that make and change the laws.Why change this incredibly important law for one hellwyrm that nobody even sees, anyway?
>>36336866We know being a demon is not illegal, in our barony at least. For obvious reasons.Laws concerning the usage of spells and spell-like abilities clearly exist, since we have sorcerer and wizards living in our domain, so clearly laws exist dealing with the usage of spells on other people.A succubus using a charm on someone is no different from a sorcerer doing so, so the same laws would apply.There is actually nothing about succubi that makes them any different from sorcerer in regards to their natural abilities.
>>36336896>>36336899As I have said before. Succubi as like all demons are used to utilizing their powers as naturally as breathing. They do use it to in order to survive in hell. That is the main difference. They don't need to use it to survive in our barony. It is possible for them to live without it.All I am saying is because they are used to using their powers for everything in order to survive. We need to restrict/regulate it for them to ease into our society more quickly and smoothly. Sorcerers/Wizards can use these powers but they don't use it to survive because if they can't they would probably die from being hunted down. They use it for convenience or for situations but not to survive. Its a different mindset.
>>36336655>Perfectly okay with getting a Heaven, everything else depends entirely on what you mean by 'love angels'.A demon turned angel by Heavens Rebirth would keep it's overall focus (i.e. a warrior demon becomes a warrior angel, a succubus becomes an angel of love and pleasure etc)
>>36337026>It is possible for them to live without it.Its possible for a sorcerer too.We don't need to restrict their powers, we need to change their mindset.All the laws necessary already exist.We just need to make them clear to them, simple as that. The succubutts will need supervision, not additional rules that serve no purpose except alienate them once they find out they are, once again, second class.>>36336993>I can't imagine any of those things being legal to use unless acting on the behalf of an authorityExactly, so there is no need for additional restrictions. The option exists because we could, in theory, want to restrict them more than normal humans.
>>36337026...or we can just tell them. Hey don't use magic on other people. It is illegal and you will be jailed/etc if you do so. If they won't do that, then they certainly aren't going to obey greater restrictions.
>>36337079Ah, okay, I thought you meant...something else.>>36337107>Exactly, so there is no need for additional restrictions. The option exists because we could, in theory, want to restrict them more than normal humans.But, in theory, normal humans are already restricted as much as it is possible to restrict them, by making those abilities totally illegal except in self-defense, so further restrictions are a meaningless option since there is no way to further restrict them.
>>36337116Well, I mean, he is right insofar that they will need supervision, so we will definitly send some of our less judgmental angels their way to keep an eye on things.
>>36337162>y making those abilities totally illegal except in self-defenseThere you have your answer. We could make it illegl to use them in self-defense, for example.Its not liek we never got the option to have Sireyi do something dickish.
>>36337170Oh of course. No argument there
>>36337116Great tell Shaz to not raid or not kill people like before. They would not understand the difference between hell and our barony. By not placing these restrictions we are telling them that we expect them to be more aware of the difference between life here and hell.I would rather place these restrictions than have succubi just fall back into tradition due to failure to understand all the laws regarding our barony. Simple restrictions are easy to follow.
>>36337235Meant to type 'By placing'
>>36337199If that's actually what that option means, OP and I are going to have words.>>36337235Let's just set up a naturalization program, shouldn't take too much gold. We might even get a discount from having the Church of Velya purchased.
>>36337264>If that's actually what that option means, OP and I are going to have words.It would probably be helpful if he would just tell us what it means, because as of now, there isn't really anything else it could mean, in my eyes.And yes to the naturalization program. We just need to make them aware of the difference between hell and our plane.
>>36337264Naturalization program seems good. We are averaging probably about 10-12% of our population for succubi. That about ~10,000 succubi.Are we going to try to seek support from the other great churches? I don't think Koing would help but the other gods might.
>>36337264>shouldn't take too much goldWouldn't the population boom alone cost us already massive sums, because of our social programs?>>36337363I consider 10k definitly too low. Its not even 1% of the succubi needing moving.
>>36337407Well, I see it like this. We can do several things for the succubi.Some can come to us, sadly most likely the lowest number since we have the most restrictions. Some can go to our sister and to Elahi(Drache can probably support the most). But in addition, we can also set up a succubus settlement in this plane of hell, for those that either don't want to leave, or we don't have space for at the moment.We already told the potential future dukes we will doi something about the succubutt thing, so at least for a time it shouldn't be too hard to keep them away from that with the threat of our displeasure.
>>36337407We only have 95,884 Pop with a growth rate of 21%/yr. You also have to remember the food issue.Moving most of the succubi into the tribal land and the demon dimension is probably better. The tribal land needs manpower if we are going to try to convert it into farmlands since orcs aren't that likely to be interested in growing it.
>>36337517>You also have to remember the food issue.I did remember that, thats why I revised my vote later to account for what Pally said about the potential agrarian use.So if we settle them along the border between us and our sister, we can definitly sustain more than 20%, probably only over time though.It might be a good idea to take them in waves, first 20% while we build the settlements and farms, and then invite more and more.
>>36337363I can't see Mazon helping out of the goodness of his heart; Yerra might be willing to due to the demi-magical nature of demonkind.We might be able to go to the duke that rules over our barony. He was interested in the things we were doing to help the people of our demesne; he may be willing to help out the succubi in some way if we plead their case to him.>>36337407Social Programs don't really work that way, and we get a sizable discount on those due to the presence of Velya's priesthood in our realm.We might still have to pay some costs for the influx, but our budget can probably handle it. Probably.~10k is good for the moment, taking too many at once would cause likely cause social and economic strain, regardless of the food issue.
>>36337616>would cause likely causeNeed to proofread my posts better.
>>36337162>Ah, okay, I thought you meant...something else.The mind boggles. We could get the dwarfs to dig up our weapon vault now that we killed the rock things for them (if we can't get them to let our twin off the hook).