Welcome to the XXXV installment of "Disney Villains Victorious."Disney Villains Victorious is a new /tg/ homebrew project based on the idea of a world, not entirely unlike our own, in which all the villains from all the Disney animated feature films were not defeated at the ends of their movies but were instead victorious, completing their goals in part or in whole.It is a world in which Ursula rules the seas, defied only by the uncatchable Pirate Lords, the cutthroat merchants of the East India Trading Company and the might of Atlantis and its magitech-toting mercenaries. It is a world where the grasslands and jungles and forests are prowled not only by fearsome primal beasts like Shere Kahn and Scar but also by the ruthless, tireless hunters that stalk them. It is a world where Europe has been divvied up between evil sorcerous monarchs like Maleficent, the Horned King, Grimhilde and Jafar, mad, inquisitorial clergymen like Frollo, and Dark Gods like Hades and Chernobog.It is not, however, a world completely devoid of courage, heroism or hope. Around the world, the PCs' characters and their allies plot and plan, fight and strive and win their own victories against the villains that would rule them. The time to fight and to be free is now.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+Victorioushttp://1d4chan.org/wiki/Disney_Villains_Victorious
>>36277501Assembled pastebins:King/Land/Rule: http://pastebin.com/Z8wFJrhhSetting Traits: http://pastebin.com/8RRbwMQTBeast Species: http://pastebin.com/PwVr9VeTTRAITS: http://pastebin.com/uHCXg4EVPOWERS:http://pastebin.com/pQDDqisUFluff Catalogue: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qj_IIuF_rqh_F2L-SeYn-dBiwDTtwWFpnbcXyfcgeE8/editSong Catalogue: (google doc) 1oQniqbLaTCF7V19fnXP0_zUW7GFr3ESziGM6U5mEcC0/editRumour Mill: (google doc) 17CzFrAblibwD__7sEYorqXSz4ILYVp1O4tcQ-mGyYiI/edit?usp=sharingVillain Immortality: http://pastebin.com/kA1wsUzVFirst Playtest: http://pastebin.com/Vy1E0sHBSecond playtest:http://pastebin.com/qE1kW0YY
>>36277501>>36277509A worthy thread.
>>36277530It ate my I in what was supposed to be XXXIV, but it's serviceable and searchable within the catalog.
Forgot the character creation doc for new players:Character creation 'doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m8XSm73Ea4ECdDdP9V4IVJCEBji6HPw43LRPyUCDmx4/edit?usp=sharingNext game will be set in Washington DC. Playtest will occur tomorrow at 7:00 EST.
>>36277602I'm probably not able to make it, but may drop in if it's still going on at about 10 EST. If so, I'll be a Charming Guy Monkey named Dakkarai
>>36277602If you want to join, you can here: https://app.roll20.net/join/585117/yX0x1wPost your character in the thread. I'd highly recommend that at least one person brings someone with a rank in Mechanic, and someone else with a rank in Drive.
>>36277602I'm really looking forward to this one. Thanks Nob for your continued work!
>>36277640>>36277630Might be a good place for Mahrikatohka if her character sheet gets an update. Might have to see to that tomorrow morning.
>>36277501Will there be guest character appearances?
So, I had to remove the split-strike system from the 1d4chan page, again. Who's doing this shit? Can we ban them? We decided in thread seven not to do this, just because you put up a poll when not many people was on doesn't mean you get to change core game mechanics.
>>36277698I can't say Nob. I haven't worked much with the Wiki myself.
I'll be watching this thread, sounds like an interesting setting.
>>36277740Please feel free to browse the other threads or the read through the fluff catalog.
I have a mechanical question. Ride'm let's you ride anything that can support your weight, right? And if you are, say, a Small monkey, a player or a Mook can support your weight, so... do you see where I'm going here?
>(This isn't the split strike system, dammit. This is an actual part of established canon for healing.)Fuck off with your shit decision, whoever you are. This isn't a matter of you getting to poll ten people, this is a core, CORE game mechanic that the rest of the system is based around! We'd need to change both the sensible and smart guy heavily and rework the skill system to make this possible! And all it does is add needless complexity because 'muh verisimilitude'!Aanyway. Who's up to see some Fae and Beast species ideas cranked out?
Things writefags should writefag on:>Fluff for Queen La>Cauldronborn conversations>Fluff for Grimhilde>Fluff for Eldorado>An Elsverd femdon scene>Fluff for China>Something about what the fuck is going on in Japan>A meeting between Rourke and Radcliffe>Fluff for Usula>Life in the Wild West>Life in France
>>36277763Yes, that's the idea. It's Disney as fuck and hilarious. Genies: GenieSize Medium (But usually larger than equivalent humans)Traits:Genie magicks!: Manipulate 1kg of living matter as you see fit. This requires one minute to actually operate, and has no offensive capabilities. This translates to a +2 bonus to Craft if you use it for anything other than comedic relief.Attribute Bonuses: +2 Robustness.Thoughts? Genie Magic is hard to balance, but I figured it'd be best to go for something comedic. Completely open to suggestions on this one.
>>36277767Fae characters would be cool, but could get real OP real fast, so we should be careful. We should have Tinkerbell-style Fairies, who are tiny, and get flight and Charm bonuses.Make sure you specify Freed Genie
>>36277852I most definitely am onboard for fairies.
>>36277852Pixies:Size: TinyTraits:Flight: Oh my god! You can fly! For one minute per will point purchased, anyway. You can sort of hover about five feet off the ground otherwise, but true flight is too hard with your disconnect from Wonderland. Pixie Dust: You suffer no penalties to Robustness due to your size! Incredible! Attribute Bonuses: +2 to CharmWhipped out over two minutes. Flight power stolen from Elephants.
>>36277800Couple of those are in the catalogue already.>Rourke/Radcliffe conversation>Lots of bits and pieces with Mulan>One story with Grimhilde (Immortal Hopes)>A little bit with Ursula (Neutral Ground/Breaking the Stalemate)But I can pick one of the other ones to write about later tonight.
>>36277903Ummm... Pixies aren't from Wonderland, so that doesn't really make sense.
>>36277800>Cauldronborn conversationsCauldronborn do not converse.
>>36277929>pixies>not from wonderlandIt may be the wrong name, but I was trying for tinkerbell style faeries.
Also, please answer my earlier question: can Ride'm let my monkey ride people?
>>36277929I think that Pixies and Fairies are being used interchangeably.
>>36277941Course they do.>rattle me bones, jim!>you've made that same damn joke for fifteen years, edgar. you're killing me here.>aw come on. now, let's go rib some peasants apart!>>36277949I answered it here, mate. >>36277813Yes. Yes you can. ANYTHING THAT CAN HOLD YOUR WEIGHT.
>>36277949I thought this was a yes.
>>36277800>An Elsverd femdon sceneIT MUST HAPPENI have homework or I would try writing it myself
>>36277988you and your cute spankable butt are going to give Elsa a child no matter how much you struggle
>>36278038I'm thinking it would include something about her fucking with your code of chivalry. "Now, it would hardly be right to refuse a princess, and your host no less... Just follow me upstairs."
>>36277968>>36277988>>36278021>>36278034>>36278038>>36278081>/dvv/ - shipping and smut
>>36278081>not willingly going along, and melting her icy heart with lawful good hot dickings.
>>36278112>sverd>being dominant in anything evernigga's not even lawful good he's just ridiculously neutral good
>>36278081>>36278097But this guy is right, we should really get down to business.
>35 threadsSo, what have we accomplished?All I see whenever I glance your way is namefags and tumblrshipping
>>36278097>>36278112and an image for good measure
>>36278138>complaining about namefags in a game creation thread.not sure if you're a wizard or what.but to answer your question: a mostly complete setting and an entirely new game system that needs a bit of balancing, mostly thanks to the namefags.
>>36278138A... functional game system that we're playtesting?
>>36278112No, she's still crazy as fuck, but she has been alone in the cold for years, and icicles are the worst dildos.
>>36278138We have a lot of namefags because it's a game creation thread. The shipping and shit only happens in short bursts whenever someone brings it up before we get back to bussiness.We've written 55,000+words of fluff and a fully functional system that we've run two playtests on to balance so far and are in the process of refining it to Beta. In a week or so.Quite a lot, actually.
>>36278134>implying that you need dominance when you've got a little help from above>implying you need to be LG to give LGHDsTHAT'S THE POWER OF LOVE!
>>36278138>Lots and lots of fluff>A workable game system in alpha>Two test games already played with a third scheduled for tomorrow.
Does anyone have a song suggestion for me?The amount of stuff I've written about Sverd genuinely concerns me. Give me a character or situation and I'll work on finding a showtune for him/her/it.If you suggest anything involving smut I'll fucking shank you.[/spoiler[
>>36278324Do one for No One, I think that'd be entertaining to find one for.
>>36277685I hope so
>>36278348It might be pretty similar to something you'd see for Facilier but I'll certainly look. Right after I finish my thesis, so it might take a little while.
>>36278364Well, the idea when these playtests are finished is to release the adventure notes to everyone so that people can try the game out with a prebuilt adventure. Tomorrow I'll throw up the design doc for Davenport.
>>36277813How 'bout....Each genie can grant 3 wishes, minor reality changes, lest they alert the king or queen of their zone, or possibly, neighboring zones, which will result in a mad hunt that throws the difficulty curve through the window and into a volcano.There's no way to use wordplay and make a wish that breaks the three big rules. And they cannot ask for something they do not know about "I wish for the powersource of X king to be here"--"Can't do, I don't know where or what it is.". The genie can hardy be spy if it has a restriction of how far can he leave his "home". If you assume that The Genie was a particularly powerful one, hence being on the cave of wonders, a common genie would be weaker, or more manageable as a character.1.-No forced love (can extend into free will)2.-No killing (can extend into "no: 'just barely on the verge of death' ")3.-No Rising the dead, (even as friendly zombies)
>>36278384You know the PDF is gonna be great when we have three separate sample adventures before we even start writing it.
>>36278384Shit, hit enter before I actually got to the point. So, it'd be nice to have a song attached to him in case the testing GM really wants to get into the swing of things.>>36278395That's not great for player character Genies, who are all Freed, but that's a fantastic idea for any Genies found. I'll put it in the 'ideas for magical items' section.>>36278408Possibly more. I'm not sure how many ideas i'll have, so we can pick from the best of them.
So every time Japan is brought up, we talking about Princess Mononoke? Because I'm cool writing about that. Maybe like the boars won due to Cherno magic but are now demons consumed by hate, refusing to recognize the Spirit if the Forest because he did not protect them and lording over the other animals. Except wolves who they hate and either kill or cast out. Humans run away to china and join Shan Yu. Ashitaka and Monoke are unknown to the general population right now.I would have to write about it tomorrow or Sat, I'm moving tomorrow.That is if any of you want that.
>>36278324Some namefag was mentioning weselton. That could be fun. Or china. Maybe a Rescuer saving a young girl in the shadow lands or Charlotte dealing with "Naveen"
For a species:Chimera: Medium sized product of Ysma's experiments, gets weird combinations of traits, (maybe randomly roll for animal type), like a goat trait, a mouse trait, and two human traits. Just a silly race. (We'd need to do something to keep this from just being a min-maxer's wet dream though)
>>36278442Are you implying that Japan is just Disney Ghibli?
>>36278516It's a thought, and would make for a good species, but I'm not sure how we could avoid letting people turn it into a minmax thing, though, or actually explain some of the traits like Mice's Beyond Notice or whatever I called it, or a Stegosaurus' Spiked Tail.
>>36278530Ghibli movies are distributed by Disney in the United States, at least. Still, I think we decided against Princess Mononoke, as much as I like the movie.>>36278516On second thought; I'll see what I can do about creating a few example Chimeras.
>>36278516Chimera:I don't like randomly rolling for character creation, but you could do it if you wanted. You get one trait from the animal category you've chosen, listed below.Big Cats: Low To The Ground: +2 to StealthBears: Bear Necessities: +2 on Endure, +3 Travel.Primates: Monkeyin' Around: +2 to DeceitCanines: Loyalty- +2 on attack rolls against an enemy that has Struck an ally.Crocodilia: All-Natural Armor- +2 to Prevent Harm, but cannot wear Armor.Small Cats: Tree Climber: +3 to Acrobatics(Athletics?) rolls involving climbing.Elephants: An Elephant Never Forgets: +2 to all Science, Occult, Academia, or Insight rolls to remember something that you know.Insects: Flight: Whether an incredible jump or actual wings, you possess the ability to stay airborne pretty much indefinitely.Birds: Shiny!: +3 on Legerdemain when Stealing something shiny. (It's hidden in your beak.)Horses: Run Like The Wind: +20 Meters of movement speed.Snakes: Cold Blooded: +2 to Stealth and +2 to avoid Fear.Carnosaur: Lizard King: +3 to Social Rolls against Lizards and other cold-blooded landdwellers.Mice: Deft Paws: 1 rank in Mechanics.Stegosaurid: -Too stubborn to hurt: +2 to Endure checks, but -10 meters of land speed.Ceratopsid: -Charge!: +2 on Brawl rolls on a charge.Should we cause Size to alter depending on your species, up or down a Size? Thoughts on these?
Suitably creepy, metaphorical, and jazzy.Sign to the tune of “Louder than words” – Tick tick boom!NO ONEWhy do we play with fire?What makes you run your fingers through the flame?Why do you leave our hand on the stove-When you know all that you’ll receive is pain?And why, do you refuse to hand a lightWhen the streets are dangerous?After just one more accidentAnd still the truth’s not heard for the rest of usCages or wings?Which do you prefer?Ask my birds.Fear or love, baby?Don’t say the answerActions speak louder than words.Why should you try to be your bestWhen the mediocre are the ones who gainI see the whole town nod their headsWhen they knowThat I’m as wrong as rain.Why bother blazing a trailWhen the well-worn path is safe andSo inviting?How does it feel when you travel and youSee the dismay-The hundreds fighting?Cages or wings?Which do you prefer?Ask my birds.Cages or wings?Fear or love, baby?Don’t say the answerActions speak louder than words.(Louder than, louder than)I wonder what it takesTo wake a generationIf you can ever makeA caged bird flyBut I know you won’t wake upOr shake up MY nationAs you eat the dust of my worldWondering whyWhy?What makes you stay on courseWhen you know, down deepYou’ll never ‘make it right’Why would you ratherPull yourselves through hellAnd sleep alone at night?Why don’t you follow leaders even when they never lead?Thinking catastrophe can start a revolutionSo if you’re so free, tell me whyWhy don’t you tell me whyI can see you bleed?Cages or wings?Which do you prefer?Ask my birdsCages or wings?Ah,Fear or love, baby?Don’t say the answer.Actions speak louder thanLouder than, louder thanLouder than, kouder thanCages or wings?Which do you prefer?Ask my birdsAh,Fear or love, baby?Don’t say the answerActions speak louder thanSay they speak louder thanA thousand actions speaking louder than your words
>>36278720I say allow up to 2 traits from the list, but also make yourself take some social penalties. Remember, you are a goofy-looking goat/moose/snake-person and you risk being attacked in the street for it in less accepting areas. I just like the idea of a player being a frog-moose-man. Size changes are fine
>>36278740I like it. Suitably spooky and metaphorical. Into the design doc it goes!>>362787842 traits makes you the same as a Beast; most only have two unique traits to begin with other than Natural Weapons.
>>36278806>2 traits makes you the same as a BeastThat kinda has me thinking of 2 chimera options, a man/beast thing, or a beast hybrid with no man traits
>>36278844>beast hybridWell, THAT is significantly more interesting. Perhaps we could let people pair up two Chimera types to make a combination abomination? For example, a Carnosaur/Mouse would be Medium Sized, but gain Lizard King and a rank in Mechanics. Or, a Bear/Big Cat hybrid for the most terrifying thing to see running at you in a dark alley.
>>36278806You can be a beast. You get either 2 mixed weird traits and one normal one or the other way around. You're either a frog-man or a frog-anteater
>>36278895I don't think you would average out the sizes for a CarnoMouse. I think it would either be a mouse that was mutated into a dinosaur, which would make it small, but more lizardlike, or a dinosaur which was mutated into a mouse, which would be large and more mousy. Essentially, you can go up or down just one size level from your original form, you don't average them.
So i haven't read through all of you guys' documentation yet, but I'm not seeing any reference to Robin Hood.This is just not oo de lally.
>>36278961Okay. How would we decide what the base species is? Also, do we do halfsies or thirdsies for Chimera? That is, you can have a Dino-man or a Dino-mouse, or a dino-horse-man?>>36278991spoopy skary skellingtons got him.At least, thats what I think the idea is. If you have an idea, go for it! I'd love to see fluff on him.
>>36278999I think halfsies is plenty. You pick the base animal in your backstory.
Since the setting was changed to Washington, DC, and a Drive/Mechanic character was recommended, I couldn't resist making a street rat to help the party out.Sadly, I couldn't find any character art, but eh.Name: Raymond RiversRole: Smart GuyCountry of Origin: United States - Imperial Republic of AtlantisSize: MediumSpecies: Human ---Attributes---Robustness: 6/12Agility: 10/12Intelligence: 10/12Sensibility: 8/12Charm: 8/12Will: 4/4Strikes: 3/3 ---Skills---Acrobatics - 3Mechanics - 4Drive - 5Insight - 3Legardemain - 3Stealth - 3Ranged - 3Prevent Harm - 3 ---Traits--- -Nimble TraitYou gain +3 to Prevent Harm and Acrobatics, but bad things constantly happen around you. You always get out of it okay, but the people around you don't always.-Does It Have A Steering Wheel?Ignore the time to acclimate to a new type of vehicle, and +2 to Drive checks made with land vehicles.-The Rum is Never GoneBeing a pirate is a hard lifestyle, oftentimes needing a hard drink to make it a little more tolerable. A Man or Woman of the Sea is able at any moment to find or produce from their person a flask or bottle of alcohol upon need. ---Powers--- Work, Damn You! - Spend a Will point. For the rest of the scene, you have +5 to Mechanics and +5 to Drive as long as your focus is entirely on the task at hand.No More Chinese Laundry: Spend a Will point to assemble an explosive from everyday materials. Must have something on hand that could concievably explode -- can't just magic bombs out of thin air. Coconuts okay. At the end of the round you have at least one pound of highly unstable explosive material that will miraculously not go off in your hands. We'll leave it to you as to what to do with it. ---Ideals---Always have a bit of alcohol in the ‘ole tank.Stay the hell out of jail.Make loads of money - if you’re not getting paid, what’s the point?
>>36278999>>36279059As cool as a thirdsies hybird could be, it'd be a lot to work out, I agree with halfsie hybrids
>>36279064---Goals---Zero: Walk away cooly from an explosion. No looking back, no flinching.orZero: Perform some hella’ rad motorcycle stunts.On-a-Roll: Pull of a major heist. OROn-a-Roll: Have his very own ‘wanted’ poster.Hero: Go down in history as a notorious thief.ORHero: Settle down, have some kids - get away from all the craziness. Equipment: Semi-Automatic Pistol - +1 to RangedPhysical Description:Sunglasses? Check.Oversized track jacket? Check. Should really get this thing washed…Cigarettes? Crap - I forgot to bring a pack.Standing at a mere 5’4” feet tall, what Raymond lacks in height, he makes up for in style. His black hair is spiky and slick, usually pushed back by the pair of aviator shades sitting on top of his forehead. He sports a rounder face and sharp nose, and his thin lips are usually turned up in a smirk. However, Raymond’s most characteristic feature seems to be his thick, angular eyebrows.Rundown: Raymond Rivers is a regular rascal without a penny to his name; a modern day street-rat who’s all in it for the money. Born on the streets of Washington, DC, he survived by learning to steal from others and keep his head low. Eventually, he landed a low-paying job working in an automobile factory, but realized he could make more money selling the shit he was making himself. Sure, it was illegal, but it paid well. Stealing parts, making a profit, and rolling in the dough. It was a good business, until one of the other factory workers ratted him out.Raymond was thrown in the slammer like any other crook, but in the midst of a major gas pipe explosion, managed to slip out. Since then he’s been on the run from the authorities, but that hasn’t stopped him from continuing his practices.While he can be a bit of a coward, and rather paranoid, Raymond takes care of himself and tries his best to do the same for others so long as they’re all workin’ towards the same goal.
>>36279064>You gain +3 to Prevent Harm and Acrobatics, but bad things constantly happen around you. You always get out of it okay, but the people around you don't always.literally the asshole trait
>>36279059>>36279085So, you pick the base animal and scale it up or down a category depending on the second animal. You can choose Human as a base animal, but not an altering one. If you choose Human as a base animal, you get two traits and can wear armor and use equipment unless specified otherwise. If you have no Human ancestry, you get a Natural Weapon that gives +2 to Brawl. Sound good?>>36279149Theoretically problematic. Fun. Let's see how it goes in an Atlantean DC showdown!we may want to edit that a bit though, sounds a bit dickish to me
>>36279192Well, I'd still like to give Antoine a run - Raymond is here just in case he'd fit the party better. I'll post him on the roll20 site.
>>36279248Nothing wrong with the character, it's just that the Trait is pretty strong and basically does nothing but piss your teammates off. It's like Sverd said, literally the trait for being a dick to your teammates.he's also literally perfect for the test adventure.
It may be late, but by god I have given you my word. The latest Disney Team Prime is here!http://pastebin.com/WPN9wx2b For added effect, play this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktGVvJovHZ8 at the end
>>36279364I'm going to have to take the next couple days off of writing while I finish my last paper. I'll still be in the thread, but I won't finish the next chapter until Monday at least.
>>36279381You don't even have time for Elsverd femdom?
>>36279364What is this, Personna? Why is Sverd drowning in bitches?
>>36277988Oh, Sverd, while you're being scared you should write a song for Evelyn. Even if no one else cares about spiderwaifu, I still do.
>>36279429He's literally a tall, strong scandinavian man who is handsome as hell, kind of dorky, and supremely confident. I'd be surprised if he WASN'T drowning in bitches.
>>36279418Son, I've only got time for one ship, and one ship only.Love you spiderwaifu
It's a goddamn tragedy we have no drawfags
>>36279493Whatever happened to the bonepope guy from thread II?
>>36279364Mary, Hannah and Elsa catfighting over Sverd while he cringes in the corner when?
>>36279429Also, to be fair, the shipteasing between Sverd and Mary has been there since episode 1, which predates elsverd by a couple days at least.
I need a topic. Anyone have writefag requests?No, I won't do Sverd and Elsa.
>>36279737Jafar meeting with Queen La?
>>36279737Something for El Dorado; I think there's literally nothing on it.
>>36279763The list is friggin huge, pick one or two things maybe.>>36279765I confess I know almost nothing about Queen La, it'd take some research for that one.>>36279779It was kind of involved in my last story, though it was more mentioned than seen. Let me see here...
>>36277800>>Life in France(The sun rises cheerfully in the East, lighting the small town below, and at the top of the hill, a manor house. The door opens, and a beautiful woman steps out, a contented smile on her face. Her hand brushes her belly absentmindedly: she's noticeably with child. She is BELLE LeGUME)BELLELittle home, in a quiet villageEvery dayLike the one beforeLittle homeFull of little peopleWaking up to say...(Suddenly a two-year-old bursts from a third story window, swinging from a chain of sausages. He is GARIN)GARINMamá!(Another boy, this one around three, launches himself from the chimney, a bearskin is his parachute. It is GUSTAV)GUSTAVMamá!(A mastiff crashes through the underbrush: it is being ridden by GILBERT, who is no older than one.)GILBERTMamá!GARIN and GUSTOVMamá!ALL THREEMAMA!(She grabs the sausages and reels in Garin, and deftly catches Gustov)There goes my Garin with his stomach growling,And where did Gustov find a bear?You should let me clean the skinBefore you bring it it into our charming little homeGARINGoo mawnig Mama!BELLEGood morning boys!GUSTOVIs Papa coming home today mama?BELLELet us pray he does boys, Lord I miss him so.(She pulls Gilbert from the back of his hound as the pair runs by. The dog looks back, uncertain how to proceed without direction. Gilbert gestures abruptly at his erstwhile mount, motioning towards the ground. The dog sits immediately, back straight, tail wagging. Gilbert nods in approval, then begins sucking greedily at Belle's breast.)(The four make their way into the village, and the TOWNSFOLK look on)TOWNSFOLKLook there they go, that lot is strange, no questionThat little trio raising Hell!WOMANThey won't play with other boys.MANMaking bloody bearskin toys.TOWNSFOLKNever thought we'd say the normal one is Belle!>(Continue?)
>>36280106Wasn't sure if there's anything already written for Gaston's sons. If there were already names picked out and I missed it let me know and I can change it up.
>>36280106Nothing yet, that's a great rewrite of the song though. Nice work.>>36279763>>36279765>>36279779I'll try to work on an El Dorado piece tonight, gimme a while to think of a plot.
>>36280106Haven't come up with a whole lot more of this I'm happy with, but I've got this for when she would sit down with the book... except in this version, it's a bible, and she's reading from the Book of Frollo, which tells some of the recent history of the world, albiet from Frollo's skewed perspective.(Belle sits with her bible at the fountain in the town square, and begins to read through the borrowed bible, singing happily to the infant at her breast. She points to the page, half of which is an illustration of a black and green dragon devouring a young man on horseback)BELLEOh, isn't this amazing?It's my fav'rite part because --- you'll seeHere's where she eats Prince CharmingBut God will smite her Isiah Nineteen-Three!
>>36280408>But God will smite her IN Isiah Nineteen-Three!Corrected, sorry about that
>>36279779>>36280201A bit shorter than my usual stories, but I think it works.http://pastebin.com/zkUaLykZ
>>36280792Fantastic. 10/5.Kind of sad that the first thing we see of Tzekel-kan is him doing something alarmingly stupid, though.
>>36281074I'm afraid he hasn't had a good track record of dealing with foreign gods.
>>36278720I really like the idea of a Yzmic Chimera. Might try to create a character based off one.
It looks like our friends are back voting down threads on Sup/tg/.
>>36281298Wizards, one and all. Not like we can do much about it.
>>36280106[The sun rises cheerfully in the East, lighting the small town below, and at the top of the hill, a manor house. The door opens, and a beautiful woman steps out, a contented smile on her face. The camera doesn’t focus on her, however, closes in on a small, barred window at ground-level, snaking down a cobwebbed shaft meant to allow light and air into a square room with stone walls in the cellar. Pushing herself out of an old wine-barrel turned bed is a beastly young lady with shaggy fur, doglike legs and stubby horns dressed in a much-patched serving girl’s dress. She yawns glumly and rubs her eyes. She is CLARISSE.]CLARISSE:Down here, in this drippy cellarEvery year like the one beforeDown here, with the mice and spidersWaking up to hear...[Five curious SERVANTS huddled together and peeking in through the cell door’s small window let out a collective gasp.]SERVANTS:Mon Dieu…Mon Dieu…Mon Dieu…Mon Dieu…Mon Dieu…CLARISSE:I wish the grownups wouldn’t gasp, like alwaysAnd bring me more than scraps to eatJust maybe something fresh and whole Like a croissant or rollThat I could eat down here.[ALPHONSE the Steward and NICOLETTE the Head Maid push their way through the throng to the door, chiding the others for their voyeurism. Seeing this, CLARISSE scampers across the room and pounces on the door, clinging to it with her claws and nearly shoving her face through the window, desperate for human contact but sending all but ALPHONSE and NICOLETTE off into hiding.]ALPHONSE:Good morning, Clarisse.CLARISSE:Good morning Alphonse!ALPHONSE:Did you sleep well..?CLARISSE:I slept in a barrel! But I had the most wonderful dream!About a, what do you call it, a party? There was a cake and---!ALPHONSE: That's nice Clarisse. NICOLETTE! Her breakfast, hurry up!
>>36282014[The SERVANTS, hiding in a stone alcove further on down the corridor pointing back toward the basement cell down the hall, whispering amongst themselves. They are found by their superiors, ALPHONSE and NICOLLETE, who don’t seem pleased by their chatter.]SERVANTS:Oh, that was closeThe creature’s strange, no questionCrazed and dangerous, to say the least.ALPHONSE: She really isn’t all that badNICOLETTE: I always thought her sweet and sadSERVANTS: No denying it’s a curious thing, that Beast.
Do you guys think a trait or power wich lets you use Robustness+Intimidate instead of Charm+Intimidate would be too op? Maybe with the clause that it only works against characters physically smaller than you?
>>36282034I actually like that idea. It makes perfect sense to me.
>>36282034>>36282156Agreed. Going to try and keep this thread up while I'm at woe with whatever new content I can manage but I have to drive in now. Good luck everyone.
>>36282034Can't you already do that, without any Power?
>>36282034>>36282156>>36282370You people don't really understand how this system works, do you? We are not playing D&D, Intimidate is not always based on the same thing: if you're trying to scare people with your talking you use Charm, if you're trying to intimidate them socially by using big words you use Intelligence, and if you're trying to scare them by showing you muscles you use Robustness. There's no need to spend a trait or a power on it.
>>36282467Sorry for my misunderstanding.
>>36282860It's an easy mistake to make and you shouldn't feel sorry: it only feeds the assholes that are taking over these threads.
>>36282922>are taking>implying the assholes didn't already take over twenty threads ago
Can't find it in this thread, but as far as the wider universe goes is Lord Hater a part of it? Would make a decent space version of Yzmaopolis, because the dude's a heavy metal blend of Squidward and Skeletor.
>>36282967Since they would clash with the theme we are going for with the rest of the setting, we agreed several times to leave Disney properties set in space for a future, space based expansion.
>>36282967There was talk about there being a modern-day or space expansion after the core game is tested and complete, including properties like Wall-E and Treasure Planet.>>36282948>>36282922Tensions run high when we get as deep into a /tg/ project as we are now. The best we can do is contribute and try to remain civil with each other.I'm still working on Cruella and the Huntsmen's Cocktail Hour story and it looks like we've had one song this morning, so let's try and perhaps jump start some fluff discussion. Everyone likes fluff.
>>36277602>be set in Washington DC. Playtest will occur tomorrow at 7:00 EST.>>36277630Will there be much seafaring, or should I start thinking up a new character?
>>36282922>>36282948>>36282990Stop spoonfeeding all the newags, you retards! Every time you explain them something you only make them more entitled and then we get them in our poll, voting shit they don't understand
>>36283072How will they understand if us older poster don't at least take a moment to help them? New posters ought to read through the 1d4chan entry, that's true, and should ideally browse the arbie's threads, but we have such a HUGE body if fluff and crunch amassed by now that new posters are going to make mistakes and ask innocent questions every now and again. If we don't answer questions every now and again and alienate new posters, we'll not have any new blood infused into the project at all, which will be a detriment in the long run.As long as their questions are honest and polite, why shouldn't we answer them?
>>36283235Archived, nor arbie's. Damn this iPhone.
>>36283235What a load of bullshit, we don't need any new blood by now: the system is done, the crunch is perfect. Getting new blood would just ruin what we already did. I'm sure you would like new posters with ideas about magic and playing wizards, right?
>>36283374Nice try, wizard, but you can't fool me. Your posting style is way too obvious.
>>36283374Please tell me you don't really believe this super sekrit club bullshit.
>>36283374Saying that the system is done at this point would be like declaring a house is done when you only have the framework plonked on top of the foundation and none of the drywall's been put in. New blood is always appreciated, though yes, their ideas will need to be put into consideration to see if they can be placed into what's already there.
>>36283072>>36283374I can't tell if you're a really terrible troll or a terribly real asshole.
>>36283374I'm content with there being no magic using PCs in DVV whatsoever, and have been perfectly happy with the way the game have been developed thus far. All I want, in all honestly, is for more people to enjoy the setting. Maybe we get a new fluff writer or a new play tester or even a new artist willing to contribute. That's really and truly all I want.
>>36283562And now I don't want to play Disney anymore.Time to take the mechanics and switch to Oglaf, baby!
>>36283620Well, so long as you don't discuss it here.....
>>36283620You still get an ice queen in need of hard dickings, so at least some things stay the same.>>36283638Could you please stop being a faggot for a minute, Knightfag?
>>36283652>namefag named knightfag>can he stop being a faggot?I don't know, you tell me.
>>36283652Aaaaand the wizards are back.Anyhow, you know what I've realized about this map? It has no major routes and travel times indicated on it. Now, while maybe those details shouldn't go on the main map, they definitely should be on A map. Does anyone here think they know enough history and geography to be up to the job?
>>36283678Fair enough, I guess.Point is, he made a joke. Take it easy.
>>36283703Oh, sorry for accusing you of being a wizard then. But yeah, routes and travel times, that shit needs to get done and I lack the knowledge to do it myself.
>>36283697>Aaaaand the wizards are back.I'm starting to think this wizard conspiracy you keep going on about stopped being an in-joke and became an actual excuse for you to cover your autism.If people call you a faggot it's because you sound like a faggot, Knightfag, not because wizards are mind controlling them.
>>36283746Well, technically I AM being mind controlled by a wizard, but that's unrelated business with nothing to do with this. Also no, I'm bad at maps so I can't help you.
>>36283746If it's not wizards, then explain why the shitty ideas and counterproductive arguments we attribute to wizards always pop up at the same time of day and always have the same posting style.
>>36283760>technically I AM being mind controlled by a wizardAh, who isn't being mind controlled by some wizard nowadays? Ahahahahah!But no, seriously: who here isn't being mind controlled by a wizard? My mas, I mean my friend wants to know.
>>36283771First, we get shitty ideas at every time of the day.Second, I'm not saying we don't have a dedicated troll: I'm saying you need to stop lashing out against every post that even remotely sounds like it could be made by someone that, at some point in his life, enjoyed a game with wizards in it. It's unhealthy and it makes you sound like a faggot.>>36283760>>36283789See, like these two perfectly normal gentlemen rhgt here, all jokes and laughs!
Let's please calm down everyone and get back on task.>>36283697I would assist but I am not the best cartographer and I'm at work at the moment. Would you include things like alliances or general notations on the quality of life in the different nations as well?
>>36283849It's not that I hate people that enjoy wizards, it's that wizards are his tell. You are right though; lots of us myself included have let this wizard get ourselves riled up beyond all reason.
>>36283875Eh, that needs to be done, but I'm not sure that needs to be put on a map, unless you can a quality of life map.
>>36283072Do you honestly want nobody to play our game except us?
>>36283899You have the exact same posting style as him. "Capitalises his sentences and uses correct grammar/punctuation" is too generic a posting style to be recognised. In fact, the only thing that's seemed consistent is a hatred of namefags and random unneeded aggression.
>>36284178>In fact, the only thing that's seemed consistent is a hatred of namefags and random unneeded aggression.Posting style encompasses uncalled for aggression.Map so far.
>>36284208I think he might have been joking. For a start, he would have sworn a lot more if he was the REAL Wizard.
>>36284249Of course, I'm not the real fucking wizard. Why the shit would you say I'm the real fucking wizard, you fucking bastard son of a bitch? Are you secretly one of those fucking namefags who are fucking controlling the fucking threads fuck fuckity fuck?
>>36283899We should just ignore him. It's what trolls want. He's half-derailed this project, but only because we let him.
I'm gonna say that's all the ship and plane routes; time fro the roads.
>>36283697Travel times would vary based on tech levels. For instance, it'd be much faster to use an Atlantian ship than a French one
>>36284423What a tangled web we weave, when we ship and then receive. Nice job and pretty clear.
>>36284595Exactly. An Atlantean submarine is going to be a very fast and very safe means of travel, but while you might be able to charter a French, Virginian, Hunnic or pirate ship to to wherever you want it to go, Atlantean subs run on their own set schedules and routes without deviation, and likely cost a pretty penny to come aboard if you aren't an Atlantean or are traveling with one.
>>36284423Plane routes?Who has planes?
>>36284423Maybe you should make the ship routes a darker blue. They're pretty hard to see on that map.
Got another character for today's playtest, wanted a little feedback before posting it in the campaign thread.Name: Bartholomew "Brawlin' Bart" Role: Strong GuyCountry of Origin: Never Never LandSize: MediumSpecies: Human---Attributes---Robustness: 12/12Agility: 9/12Intelligence: 6/12Sensibility: 7/12Charm: 6/12Will: 3/3Strikes: 4/4---Skills--- Athletics: 3Brawl: 5Prevent Harm: 5Endure: 5Intimidate: 3Driving: 3---Traits---The Rum is Never Gone: Being a pirate is a hard lifestyle, oftentimes needing a hard drink to make it a little more tolerable. A man or woman of the Sea is able at any moment to find or produce from their person a flask or bottle of alcohol upon need.Sea Legs: Men and women of the sea are used to living and working aboard ships, and as such have adapted their mannerism accordingly. When aboard any sort of watercraft you receive +1 Robustness and Agility.Bull Charge: +2 to Brawl when charging into combat.---Powers---Guts of Steel: Spend a Will point. You gain a +4 on your next five non-combat acts of physical strength.What Shall We Do With a Drunken Sailor?: With the help of a Will point (and a copious amount of alcohol) you can perform a drinking song so obscene the next Music roll by another member of your party will receive a +3 bonus by simple virtue of comparison.---Equipment---Chains (+1 to Brawl)Big Britches---Ideals---Nothing like a good ol' brawl to build up character and boost the spirit.If physical strength doesn't work it's because you aren't applying enough.Booze is love. Booze is life.---Goals---Zero: Get on a local newspaper thanks to your strength/fighting prowess.On-a-Roll: Slug it out with a King.Hero: Become famous as the greatest tavern brawler in the world.
>>36284741I love everything about this character. In an imagine a pixie or some other small quick character riding around on his shoulder.
For future reference: did we ever decide where exactly Agrabah is in the Caliphate?
>>36284678Atlantis and The Elite Hunters Club.Personally, I think the hunters and their equipment are always paradropped directly into the best hunting ground.
>>36284885Disney Wiki says it's somewhere near the River Jordan, and we know it's in Arabia somewhere, so northwest Saudi Arabia I guess.
>>36284885Somewhere where the roads converge but not by the sea, so take your pick.I think I'll leave this as is; Dread can always refine it.
>>36284741Hella cool brawler, mate. I think Captain Manlythunder just found his potential first mate.
>>36284955>Flight paths going across Bald Mountain>Cherno Alpha not just swatting them out of the sky like particularly annoying insectsI object to this, sir.
>>36284989Aye aye my captain!
>>36284994Ah, shit. Well, I'm not our lead cartographer, so that's another detail for Dread to hammer out.
Wait a minute....ah shit. I forgot about the Panama Canal too. That really changes naval routes around the Americas.
>>36277941Wights do. Sort of. Mostly about how great their god-king is and killing peasants.
>>36284955The bear trades with people?
>>36285205Don't worry, I'll get it fixed up. It's pretty good, save for the air-routes in northern Europe. Does the Hunter's club have landing docks in wilderness areas like india and madagascar?
>>36285274No, but the Hunters really want him stuffed beside the fireplace.
>>36285295I'd say they might have landing strips, but docks? Not worth the time when you've got good aircraft and you aren't moving anything in true bulk.
Posting from my phone. I never thought that one thing I wrote last thread would engender as much dislike as it did. People seemed to like the other ideas so I will continue but with the understanding that the rumor mill ideas I am writing are just that, ideas to help DMs tweak the setting how they like. So a character will always have the option of being dead, but other options will be provided. I'll start with another villain since I saw Jack Skellington and Santa already. Oogie Boogie>took over Halloween town, he has become a complete glutton. Hundreds of monsters and ghouls have been eaten by him, swelling him to an enormous size. He is kept together by numerous patches.>figures can be seen kicking or pushing at his fabric, leading many to believe that if Oogie Boogie were defeated all he has consumed could be rescued.>most of the natural residents of Halloween town are now safe as long as they stay in hiding. Oogie has developed a taste for other meats, especially fairies.I could write more but what do you guys think?
>>36285335Eh....he likes to make soup out of people, so I'm not sure anyone can be saved. Then again, all his bugs and snakes were alive....it could go either way.
>>36285302Right but, the routes should show major trade routes, not Huntsman club expeditions. Honestly there's probably more trade going on by sea and air there than there should be. Ursula controls the seas after all, and she does not like sailors on them. She allows the EITC because they pay tributes to her, but I understood that pretty much everyone else was basically blockade running.
>>36285295If they're flying around in Muntz' zeppelin, they could essentially land anywhere they want provided there was a flat enough place with enough room. Instead of runways and landing strips, hey might have basecamps, hunting lodges and trading posts they stop at regularly.
>>36285371Oh you mean the road? Not all the paths are necessarily trade routes, and that particular road I envisioned as being a road that used to run the whole length of Britain but the parts in Mor'du's realm have fallen to ruin.As to the sea...let's just say that the EITC has a global near-monopoly on naval shipping.
>>36285321Yeah, that's what I meant. I assumed most of the time they'd be travelling in Muntz' airship
>>36285470Only the elite of the elite have the esteemed privilege of travelling in Muntz's own airship; they have lesser aircraft for the lesser members purchased from the Atlanteans.
>>36285371In the version I'm going to do I'm going to map out all the major causeways, whether they're used for trade, travel or troop transport. For visual clarity, I'm going to do the air routes on another map
>>36284741I just realized I had forgotten the rundown. Well, better late than never.Rundown: Bartholomew Higgins sees alcohol and violence the same way most of his fellow pirates see wealth and women. He started his "career" as a bouncer and "professional tavern brawler" in the pirate haven now known as Never Never Land. His life took a sudden turn when a pirate captain saw one of his scuffles and decided a man with that potential was wasted among landlubbers. Bart likes to say he won his freedom with his own two fists, which is ironic considering that, due to his booze-fueled mood swings and pechant for accidentally cracking the ribs of other sailors, his fellows find him in the brig more often than not. Despite his drinking problems, boastfulness and attitude for violence he's not really an unpleasant man to be around, always ready to toast with his friends and apparently with a soft spot for animals. His piece de resistance are the tales of his most fondly remembered brawls, accompanied with reenactment of punches that always land a hair's breadth away from the faces of his audience (most of the times).
>>36277501Just some ideas for gamesThe huns conquered China after bald moutain swallowed up their homelands, and with no place to run to, they must either be wiped out entirely or reconciled withClarisse, the beastling, is interested in meeting Mor'due. She has hired you to help her reach this goalUrsula makes a deal with captain jack: Kill the seven pirate lords and the disobedient Davy Jones in return for Immortality as Regent of the waves. He has roped you all into helpingAlameda Slim lands a massive Cattle Drive contract, that'll make him the richest man in all of america.Only problem is that the buyer is in Virginia Are you bad enough Desperado to cattle drive through the shadowlands?Scar has mobilized his armies, and plans to kill that arrogant Sher khan once and for all. This is a most opertune of times, as the Hunters Guild has sent you out tp kill them both. Can you complete this hunt in the middle of this savage war? Or perhaps one of the beast kings may rope you into helping...Frollo has many secrets hidden in Paris. But Quasimodo knows many of them. If you can find proof that Esmeralda was innocent, then he might decide to help you outChernobog has decided that the everlasting grief of Elsa isn't enough, and has begun to personally break her. As snowgolems and Ice constructs invade from the north, Elsa finds her under assault from a new entity in her own head: The Ice queen. Ice Anna has recruited you to save her sister, before the psyche takes over
>>36285491Even so, given the fact that our top aviation tech right now is in the biplane era, I'm going to assume that most long range air travel is by airship
>>36285525True, true.>>36285521Scar and Shere Khan are separated by the Sultanate; they might not even know the other exists. Better candidates might be Bagheera and Shere Khan, or Scar and Sabor.
>>36285521Would Clarisse be able to hire people? She's not exactly rich.
The Rats Of NIMH> Got ground to a pulp.> Chernobogs magic basically created havoc on a world order, in the chaos NIMH simply had bigger problems. The Rats stayed in the rose bush. Nicodemus is dead and Jenner rules the council of Rats.>the movie basically runs to its original ending but the rise of villains creates a change of plans. The rats become divided on what to do, one half joining Ratigan and the other half joining the Rescue and Truth Society.Will continue if there is interest in this group.
>>36285521The only one I'd tweak would maybe be Clarisse's though I am interested in your thoughts on it.Maybe something like, "Help Clarisse avoid hunters and the Pontifex' Inquistion and smuggle her out of France." With the option of taking her somewhere like the Sunless Empire where her beastliness is less of an issue.
>>36285517I'm imagining an angrier Mr Higgs from Girl Genius
>>36285589Not Disney, but Don Bluth is still rad enough to where I would totally be down with this sort of thing being included.
>>36285672Same for me, with a touch of Bloody Bradigan from Warmachine.
>>36285371If we keep the idea of Ursula and Callypso warring over control of the oceans, that would allow for a more interesting naval game. Sailors could make sacrifices to Callypso for safe(r) passage, and players could get caught in the crossfire
>>36286026Why does Urusla hate sailors anyhow?
>>36286073She doesn't, but as the queen of all seas she expects tributes from all seafarers. That's why she hates so much atlanteans nad the pirate lords: not so much because they travel in her seas but because they refuse to submit to her toll.
Jeremy the Crow>eaten by Dragon>now works for the rescue and truth society>besides Mrs Brisby he is the only one who knows where to find the Great Owl
The Great Owl>in the shadowlands>in virginia>sought after for his knowledge of hidden secrets, one must be careful. The great owl has been known to eat mice and other animals if they bore him. One must be careful of when they see him, best to do so after he has eaten.>both Ratigan and the rescue and truth society have tried to contact him, none have returned
Justin>having defeated Jenner he led the group that joined the rescue and truth society> eaten by freaking dragon>eaten by the great owl as he begged for help>was last seen with Basil, both are rumored to have been killed by ratigan
Jenner>killed by Justin>survived and now rules a mostly empty rose bush. He has gone insane and constantly plans on how to bring all the rats if NIMH back to the rose bush under his rule>now has access to all the strange machines of the Rats, which he guards obsessively. Potential enemy for any seeking to recover rat tech.> has captured dragon and uses him to control the remaining small animals in the area.>travelled to NIMH, no one knows what happened
THE BEAR>The animals of North America are often as they are in Europe, and their beast kings are no different; where Mor'du rules a swathe of land on which not even the Horned King treads, the Spirit Realm hosts the personal nemesis of Amos Slade: a creature he will only refer to as 'The Bear'.>Amos tells of a time when he chased a fox that had gotten his prize hunting dog's legs broken into the Spirit Realm. It was there that he first encountered The Bear. It slew the fox, though not before injuring Amo's leg by chasing him into one of his own traps and killing his other prize hunting dog.>The Bear is, in Amos's own words, "a huge, melanistic kodiak bear with blood-red eyes.....melanistic? Aw, well you see, that's just a fancy science word I learned from Muntz. It just means that he's all black when being all black isn't normal for his sort of bear.">Amos has sworn to get bloody revenge on The Bear, and the fact that he has failed to do so after over a hundred hunts brings into question the nature of The Bear. Sure, bagging a specific target is never easy in the Spirit Realm, but one has to wonder if The Bear is somehow supernatural....
>>36286427I totally forgot about this guy. Nice!
>>36286495Amos was always one of the more sympathetic villains; from point of view, knowing what he knew, he didn't do much wrong. As he saw it, he was keeping out a varmint and avenging one of his most beloved companions. So I'm writing stuff that makes him one of the more sympathetic Hunters; now he is again trying to avenge a beloved companion.His other dog probably feels shitty about this too. He wanted to be Amos' top dog again, but not like this.
Mrs Brisby>drowned in the mud>burned to death by the stone>eaten by dragon>taken by NIMH>ground to a pulp by the farmer>eaten by the great owl>killed by Jenner>caught Timmy's sickness and died>literally a million other ways for a mouse to die>joined the rescue and truth society>her hidden home is one of the few safe places in the world, all creatures inside her home are the same size(small) inside her land due to the Stone>being tracked by both facilier and Jenner, who want the stone for themselves
>>36285606Actually, getting her to the sunless empire could turn into a quest to get her a human body, where you gotta try to get your hands on a potion to turn beasts into humans.
It's not the best thug I've ever written, but I've finished my story about Cruella DeVille and the Huntsmen enjoying a few drinks together. I hope you all enjoy it.http://pastebin.com/JzXuezMF
>>36287003Oh, how long we have waited for this. Good work.
>>36286852It really could be! There are a lot of ways a party could go where Clarisse is concerned, trying to find a "cure" for her curse or helping her learn how to find love and friendship and all the good stuff just by being herself.
>>36287038Thanks. There is more that I can add and still might yet, but I wanted to get something posted here that contributors might like.
>>36278516Would Yzma haver her own personal army of the best Chimerae she's created? I'd assume the lesser or failed experiments would be abandoned. Also, does she ever "accidentally" release a monster in the tributaries, only for her brave and noble warriors to defeat it? I could see her doing that. Using the areas she's conquered as a petri dish, to see what each of her creatures do when released on a human settlement and then deciding whether or not it's worth making more of them based on the gathered information.
>>36287003What's the relationship between the Hunters and the Sunless Empire? Yzma supposedly needs animals for her experiments, does she pay them to bring her live specimens?>>36286852Still, the more likely conclusion would be "That potion was really a tranquiliser, and now Yzma's soldiers are assassinating your friends and dragging you off to experiment on you, maybe make a chimera out of your genes."Hell, it could be through Yzma that she discovers she's not actually cursed.
>>36287125She totally does all of this, plus having a majority of her population possessing at least one animal part or other, with many more being worse off. Check out the "Assistant Yzmanager" story in the fluff catalog if you haven't already for ideas.Personally, I really like the playable chimera idea, and am probably going to roll one up after work.
>>36287209I'd imagine she doesn't let the Tributaries have animal genes. After all, that'd fuck with her experiments, since then she'd be judging Chimera vs Chimera settlements as opposed to Chimera vs human settlements. For this reason, she probably has a huge army of expendable, pure human peasants.
>>36287164>"Curses? Curses? Oh dear child I KNOW curses and you are under no curse. Now hold still please while Kronk obtains a few, ehem, "samples."">"KRONK! THE HEDGE CLIPPERS!"
>>36287046.....what do you think Facilier would charge her?
>>36287357I'm not sure what, but if Clarisse was an NPC ally traveling through the Shadowlands with a party in my game, you better believe I'd make her unwisely interested in making a deal as a subplot in need of dealing with.
>>36282026>>36282014Think I ought to try and continue this once I'm back at my computer? Or maybe write some prose on the servants or one of Belle's sons interacting with her?
>>36287266Did Kronk get combined with an animal? If so, what kind?
>>36287873Kronk, if I recall, is still just Kronk, but the imperial guards have been replaced by Kronk Klones.
>>36287873Kronk is Kronk.
>>36287556Ariel's "Part of Your World" would also be a good basis for a Clarisse song.
>>36287873Yzma keeps original Kronk but the Klone Kronks have probably been combined with animals.I think Gorilla is probably a common one.
>>36288343It would stand to reason. What do you think some good character concepts would be for men and women from Yzma's Sunless Empire?
>people keep trying to implement the split strike system on 1d4chanChrist. This isn't something up for debate, this was decided in thread SEVEN that we wouldn't do this.
>>36288431Didn't we decide in thread 33 to use it? We voted on it.
>>36277501From the traits pastebin:>Trusssssssssst Me+2 bonus on Deceive rolls if there target actively distrusts the speaker>Trust me!+2 on Deceive against characters that do not trust you in the slightest.This is not optimal.
>>36288446You polled ten people at a time most people were not on about one of the most fundamental mechanics in the system. It adds nothing, it merely complicates the system, breaks a class power, reduces the use of one nearly pointless skill and expands two already incredibly useful skills. You're like the fucking wizards, voting on things that have already been decided. We decided not to do this back when the foundation of the system was laid. We're not doing it.>>36288461Don't know how that happens.
>>36288489I read the rules on the 1d4chan page and the strikes being separated was already there. It's been there all along, from what I can see. Also, there's nothing in thread seven abous us deciding science would heal everything: apparently you decided that on your own. So there's no "we": rthere are rules we decided together, and then there's you and the version of this game you keep trying to push on everyone else. So, since we had already decided the strikes should be separated, and since we voted on it again yesterday, and since you are the only stupid fggot that keeps trying to change things we already decided, I propose yoiu stop fucking up our 1d4chan page and fuck off.How about that?
>>36288560Suggestion: fuck off, cunt. Nob has done a lot more for the system than your wizard ass.
>>36288595Put your trip back on, namefag. Oh, look, I can also have my own pet conspiracy!
>>36288489By "most people weren't online" you mean "YOU weren't online?">>36288595>Somebody disagrees with Nob>Must be a wizardThis is what the wizards wanted you to think. They want this project to be torn apart by paranoia. Don't give them what they want.
If the problem is that there weren't enough people on the poll, than why not make another poll? Are there enough people here now?
>>36288489Look, Nob, you're a great guy and all, but we voted and a decision was made. Sorry, but it happened. If you want to keep this project running the way you want it to run, then stay up, don't just say we can't do anything during the hours you're sleeping.
>>36288595Nob, this is pathetic: just shut the fuck up about strikes and get on with the programs: it's just keeping track of how you got each strike and there no class powers based on it.
>>36288560>weYou mean you and your 9 other IPs? Get fucked, wizard.
>>36288617>43 posters to 44 by that post>telling people to put a trip on when no one uses them>trying to drive away the most important contributors to the fluff and crunch, our namefags>proposing retarded ideasYou're a wizard all right
>>36288634Since Nob is here, clearly everyone is here. Or at least, everyone that matters.>>36288649Werent' you asked to stop being a faggot?
>>36288679Weren't you asked to get fucked?
>>36288649Christ, will you people stop being so paranoid about wizards? I agree that the other guy shouldn't be talking shit about Nob, but why does everyone become so paranoid around this time? You're fine the rest of the day, then it comes to 9pm GMT and you're a raging faggot who won't let any new ideas happen because wizards.
>>36288664>somebody doesn't agree with me>clearly they are here because they want wizards in the game.
>>36288647>no class powers based on itI'd recommend reading the system before foolishly trying to alter it.>>36288701The problem with the idea is that it was decided by a bunch of people who didn't know anything about the game and didn't bother to read up on why it was a bad idea.
Can everyone calm down and stop screaming at each other how they don't matter? We need everyone's contributions here. INCLUDING the namefags AND the wizards.
>>36288715>we need the contributions of the wizardsAbout as much as I need a railspike in my head.
>>36288698I can see why you want to keep being a namefag: we don't want anyone to lose track of your literary genius.>>36288712>I have no explanations.>I'll just make vague accusations and hope for the better.
>>36288715THERE'S NO TIME! SCREAMING IS MORE IMPORTANT! BESIDES I HAVEN'T WON YET
>>36288744>what is I'm Gonna Need You To Fill These>What is Occult?>What is Music?>Why would those skills need even more uses over already neglected Science?>muh verisimilitude
>>36288749SCREAM HARDER, WIZARD!
>>36288712Why is it a bad idea, then? Enlighten us. And while you're at it, tell us what makes you the deciding force behind what's a good idea and what isn't when a bunch of other people disagree.Firstly, I'll explain why it's a good idea:A song shouldn't be able to heal your physical wounds on its own, unless it's magic. At the same time, a Medicine roll wouldn't stop you being depressed or disheartened in life, unless you're bizarrely interested in biology to the point where the very mention of it is like being given a Scooby Snack for you.>>36288759AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!LET'S SEE YOU TOP THAT! CLEARLY, WIZARDS ARE FAR SUPERIOR AT SCREAMING!
EVERYONE CALM DOWN AND TALK ABOUT SHIPPING OR SOMETHING SO WE DONT FUCKING TEAR EACH OTHER APART
>>36288781I SHIP NOB AND WIZARDS, NOB IS JUST TSUNDERE
>>36288756>whaa whaa, I had a stupid idea and don't want to change it.>everything should be equally useful in combat>muh gamist mechanics
>>36288772>what is psychology>what is mood-altering drugs
Lets please, PLEASE remain civil gentlemen! There seems to have been a marked increase in tension and a decrease in civility in the last half-dozen threads or so that have slowed things down and brought the mood of this endeavor down with it.I know that this can happen on long-running /tg/ communal projects, but it ends up driving new contributors away and sours everyone's disposition, little by little.
>>36288811>what is "I'll asnwer to everything in shitty greentext and give no explanations
>>36288811Because all doctors know psychology, and being able to put a bandage on is the equivalent of giving somebody happy pills. Yes.>>36288825Apparently, some people WANT to drive away new contributors. They seem to think that any newfags have a duty to read through the 30+ threads we've created or they're automatically faggots, because it's impossible for us to explain things to them.
>>36288781I IMAGINE SVERD COURTING ELSA AND THEM MAKING LOVING CONSENSUAL VANILLA SEX TO LOSE BOTH THEIR VIRGINITIES AND THEN THE SECOND TIME IS WHEN THE PADDLES AND ICE RESTRAINTS GET BROKEN OUT
>>36288825Doesn't matter, the system is done and I'm already using it.Now that I got used to it, I actually like to watch these retards fight. Go, Nob, go wizards, good job!
Are we calm now?
>>36288846>Because all doctors know psychology, and being able to put a bandage on is the equivalent of giving somebody happy pills. Yes....In Disney, this is pretty much correct.
>>36288854You. I like you. You're a pretty cool guy.Although it is strange how we all turn into gibbering retards after a certain time. We'll just be having a perfectly civil discussion on Klone Kronks, and then suddenly everyone starts yelling about wizards.
>>36288831Okay, noted, you didn't read the 1d4chan page before editing it. Good to know I can safely ignore you. >>36288846Because all mechanics know how to drive every kind of vehicle, and can undo locks. Yes. There are abstractions in the ruleset. Get used to them.Onto business: How should we limit starting equipment? Should we just let people start with whatever they want?
>>36288737Then please: explain where is the problem in having a split strike system.
>>36288811But wouldn't applied Psychology be Persuasion? After all, Science doesn't include Oratory.
>>36288891Again, assuming everyone has a duty to read up on everything when you can just explain it.
>>36288891Great retort Nob, I can see why you think you should be our leader now. Hey, did you even read that page yourself before saying Strikes shouldn't be divided? Because I did, that's how I started, and they were already there. They were always there.
Wow, people are mad. Again.>>36288854This is the most logical any shipper had been so far.
>>36288900Psychology falls under Science like all of the non-engineering/mathematics schools, which fall under Academics. Science is an abstraction given how bizzarely multi-talented Disney doctors and scientists are, the doctor from Treasure Planet aside. >>36288907What do you want me to explain? That making drastic changes to a system's most core components before reading it is wrong?
>>36288922I've been here since the first thread, and I can't remember the idea of split strikes even being brought up... ever, until these last couple of threads.
>>36288891We could limit them by region. Most people in Roark's America should have a rifle handy, but a french peasant would find one almost impossible to get.
>>36288943But it's not a change, it was already there. And Science doesn't include social sciences, those are social skills.
>>36288943Yes. That is exactly what you should explain. I agree that it's stupid that they don't understand, but if you don't want to drive away the newcomers or force them into being wizards, then you'll explain to them.
Okay, we definitely need to release a book of alternate mechanics when we're done. It seems like the only way to prevent this kind of argument.
>>36288974Then it was a drastic oversight, since it wasn't there when the combat system was first copy-pasted. Also, yes, Science requires anything you'd need to go to a college to learn that isn't Academics, including social sciences.
>>36288958they got brought up briefly early in the project and were voted down. if they've been on the 1d4chan page that's a pretty big oversight since they were never supposed to be there.
>>36288958Because you never pay attention to us, Nob.
>>36288922This is why we should get a PDF up and running as soon as possible, so people can't just do whatever change they want. Where has the old pastebin gone?
>>36288759I'M NOT A WIZARD! I'M ACTUALLY CHERNOBOG!
Can we talk about starting equipment first? That's more relevant to the upcoming playtest.
>>36288943What >>36288979 said. You have to be more accepting of new people if you want this game to flourish. I'd like to add that from a logical point of view, it seems obvious to me that physical wounds and mental ones shouldn't be healed the same way.
>>36289002Then you can use Science to persuade people, just like a true psychologist. Here, see, now it's balanced again, just like you wanted it.
>>36289020This guy's right. If the two types of strike are separated, the science guy and the singer don't step on each other's toes as much.
>>36289020Strikes are an abstraction, as they always have been. They don't actually represent physical wounds usually, since being physically wounded means you're defeated. Being struck is less being hurt and more a sort of 'nine lives' thing that's 'how long can I do this before I actually get hurt' or 'how long can I argue this before my worldview is seriously altered'
>>36289045Then how does science heal it? Also, what if you're wounded with a 9mm?
>>36289020And I add that from my logical view, both mental healing (psychology) and physical healing (the various fields of medicine) both are sciences but aren't large enough to deserve two separate categories unless the game expands in such a way where there is a VERY notable and distinct difference between mental and social wounds. Which from my point of view, isn't at this time.
>>36289059Come on anon, everyone knows it's okay if it's 9mm.
>>36289059Science can be a handful of different things; it can be convincing someone that they're good to go, it can be giving someone some logical advice on how to keep themselves strong, or it could be healing someone after they're defeated if they're shot.
>>36289015>it wasn't there when the combat system was first copy-pasted.I remember it was there when we were still making the skill list: we clearly said that science could be used to heal physical strikes.>>36289045You can't just use abstraction as a magic word that fixes everything: you get a strike from an arrow because it graxed you, but then you still need to bandage it.
>>36289045So when someone loses a strike in a swordfight, for example, he parries the blow but the blade gets dangerously close? Is that how it works?And what happens when someone runs out of strikes, then?
>>36289079No, the first two are social skills. Otherwise, social guy does nothing in between negotiations.
>>36289079>it can be convincing someone that they're good to go,So you can use Science instead of Persuasion. That's pretty broken.
>>36289102Except that negotiating and singing are central concepts in the Disneyverse
>>36289075Exactly. According to Nob, they die if they're wounded. 9mm = lethal, apparently. Seriously, I'm a Britbong and even I know that's bullshit.
>>36289102God damn it, are you really wizards man or just straight up retarded?>>36289088>magic wordLEL I TROLL YOU! Fuck off, wizards!
>>36289121Running out of strikes /=/ death except in EXTREME cases. Usually it means you're unable to fight, knocked out, or having a breakdown.
>>36289107I can see it working against illusions."Jim, that can't be your wife, Jim! Your wife is safe back home in Paris! It's phisically impossible for her to be this far into the Amazon!"
>>36289118Yes, and in most RPGs, they're a very small part of them.>>36289126>somebody mentions magic in a completely out -of-context way>must be a trollGuys, I think we found a wizard.
>>36289118But psychiatrists and economists can do both those things pretty easily. That's Science, right?
>>36289149>knowledge of psychiatry = good at being a charming, likable person>knowledge of economics makes = good at singingLiterally what
>>36289092Exactly.when you run out of strikes, you're defeated. Usually what this means is you can't participate in the combat, whether that means your worldview is temporarily shattered as you try to get yourself back together, you succumb to the pressure, etc. If you take a physical wound, you're hurt but not dead.>>36289121Unless you're hit by a train or something, you're just too hurt to fight.>>36289107... What?>>36289102Social guy is literally everything in a narrative-based game, moreso because this is DISNEY.>>36289149Economists likely fall under academics or even barter. Not sure on that one, don't really see economists in disney movies.>>36289139Usually we'd consider that Insight, but with some clever arguing it could be Science.
>>36289139>hurp durp, science should be used for everythingYou are pathetic and I know it's you.
>>36289166Convincing somebody something is persuasion. Why would you let science do that job?
>>36289163Negotiating, you sadomasochist moron! They have trining in social sciences, so can do that, right? And why not, if thbey can keep people going by talking to them, why not use this knowledge in other ways? Clearly, they can persuade people with Science.
>>36289166And even in Disney, scientists have very rarely been experts in social situations. Just look at Milo.
Just so that very one knows, I've archived this thread along with the others, as is my duty to the project.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+VictoriousPlease remember to vote our threads up, if not for the content of this thread in particular, than for the continuity of all the threads and the worth of the project as a whole.Thanks.
>>36289221But then is breaks balance, god damn it! Why won't you see that!
>>36289207I'm just gonna stay out of this one. I write fluff and songs, I don't argue crunch.Anyone have songs topics they'd like?
>>36289166Dammit Nob, stop making me want to stat trains.
>>36289193Or deceit, or barter, or a host of other things. Using Persuasion means trying to get someone to see something your way, through exploitation of emotions, etc. Using Science is more a "I'm a doctor. You aren't wounded. Man up.">>36289221Yes, and? That doesn't stop actual doctors, like Sweet, from doing their job properly.>>36289207How many social scientists do you know that are actually persuasive? There's probably a few, sure, but there's a lot of social sciences that wouldn't help you argue about something, even if you understand the human brain.
>>36289233>everything comes down to balanceWow, it's like I'm the Pathfinder general! I was wondering why the wizards liked it so much here!
>>36289233It breaks balance if social guys can do the same things as science guys do. Give everyone a specific task. It doesn't matter how well that task is performed as long as no class steps on any other classes' toes.
>>36289257>How many social scientists do you know that are actually persuasive?The same number of social scientists that you know that can use their theoretical training to cheer people up after their will got broken.A good number, I guess?
>>36289233Smart guy's use is already heavily limited to Science, Academics, Occult, and occasionally Insight. Charming Guy's use includes Music, one of the most widely applicable skills in the game, along with Deceit and Persuasion, two more incredibly widely applicable skills.>>36289289Cheering someone up =/= getting someone to agree with you.
>>36289257> Using Persuasion means trying to get someone to see something your way, through exploitation of emotions, etc. Using Science is more a "I'm a doctor. You aren't wounded. Man up."What if I took a Strike by falling down a cliff? Can a man up get me back going or should I at least get someone to check my ankle?
>>36289317If you fell off a cliff, you took more than one strike. Falling off a cliff without catching yourself is being Defeated, which needs actual medical attention and not just a pep-talk.
>>36289315>Cheering someone up =/= getting someone to agree with you.It seems like a pretty thin distinction to make in such a narrativist game. Strikes from swords and lies must stay the same, but it's important that cheering people up and convincing them stay seperated? What an odd place to draw the line.
>>36288825>>36288846As a former newfag who joined a few threads back, enjoyed the playtest, and started namefagging, I didn't read everything, and yes, I made some mistakes because I didn't read everything, but people were fairly civil about it. I wouldn't want this to be denied to later newcomers, we need to deal with the fucking wizard paranoia. Knight, you're getting a bit crazy. If we keep calling every anon who says something we disagree with a wizard, this will keep happening. We have people working on a magic splatbook, and that's okay. People should chill the fuck out.
>>36289352seems fine to me. you're just being obtuse.
>>36289338What, cliffs are instant death now? Protagonists in Disney movies immediately walked of way worse things, getting right back into action.
>>36289376>cliffs are instant deaths nowif you fall off a cliff without miraculously catching yourself on a vine or falling into water or something, yes. The thing is that Strikes are, once again, a sort of luck thing that is you not getting horribly, horribly injured. If you fell off a cliff and had strikes left, you'd lose a strike and land on something conveniently soft, fall into water, or snag a passing tree branch.
>>36289372Seems Nob to me. You're just forgetting your name too much today, my namefag friend.
>>36289243Hey Sverd, how about any song at all? I think we really need one about now. You could try to continue the Clarisse song I started earlier in the thread if you like, or maybe a Mary-Sverd-Elsa love triangle song, or a song about Alameda Slim pondering his options for immortality?
>All according to the keikaku magic>keikaku means plan
>>36289361Well, we have A person working on a magic splatbook. I should know, it's me.
>>36289395someome disagrees with me, must be nob!
>>36289423It still on IRC? How far have you gotten? Any other wizards shown up?
>>36289395Dude, don't accuse everyone who agrees with somebody you disagree with for being the guy you disagree with. That's just being a fag. The other guy's a fag too, but you're being faggier.
Now I understand how strikes work, and feel a little better. See?That wasn't so hard.
>>36289394>you'd lose a strike and land on something conveniently softWhich wouldn't need anyone to actually look at my sprained ankle, just a "cheer up, mate"? Either you are down or you never got hurt at all, no compromises, no middle ground, or we would need. . . different Strikes! Oh no! The horror
>>36289410A song about Alameda Slim pondering his options could be pretty damn good if I can find a proper showtune for it. I'll start looking and will hopefully finish fast enough to butt into this argument with a massive wall of MUSICAL INTERLUDE
>>36289437It's on IRC, but nobody's shown up. The room's still \DVVmagic.
>>36289443No worries. >>36289446Actually, I think falling nearly to your death would really, really require a 'jesus christ you're fine mate' from someone to actually tell you you're not injured after that hideous fall.
>>36289446Dude, stop being a dick.
Why has everyone forgotten that Science includes psychology? You, Freud and all his buddies that help you resolve your head problems?
>>36289432>>36289441I'm loving this more than life, right now.Just picture it: every time someone says something against Nob, it's wizards. Everytime some one says something in favor of Nob, it's Nob.These threads are the best.
>>36289461*#DVVmagicDon't try and use a slash to enter a room in this thing. It doesn't work.>>36289479Not so fun for us lot who actually want to make a system.
>>36289477Calm down. There are some people trolling, but some people are verifiably new.
>>36289446I am >>36289443Yes. If you fall from a cliff and land on something soft, then you're not hurt, but you are presumably scared because of your brush with death.
>>36289477Because then you'd be able to use psychology to persuade people, which mean you could use Science instead of Persuasion.
>>36289454You're the hero this argument needs Sverd. Thank you.ANYWAY: We're going to need a new thread pretty damned soon. I will do it if no one else speaks up.
>>36289496I'm not sure how you keep drawing this conclusion. It's confirming someone that they're not going crazy and that their worldview can be repaired over about five-ten minutes. It's not persuasion, because that's getting someone to agree with you.
>>36289496Fine, then you should do that.
>>36289496It would be more accurate to say you could use it to predict how people will react to certain things, which gives you a bonus on a Persuasion made on another roll.
>>36289496Actually, if you don't let it be used in combat I can see logical argument being a viable persuasion technique. Science, maybe? Academics, maybe? It could expand the non-combat uses of Smart Guy even further, but it has it's merits.
>>36289513And I keep telling you that's a very specific point to draw a line: getting worn down during a fight and taking a lot of flesh wounds can be fixed with a prep talk, but the same guy that can fix your broken mind can't get you to agree with him on something? Why?
>>36289538Okay, for the fourth time;Calming someone down, telling them to drink this and take these pills is a lot different than persuading a guard to not get his buddies, that this is totally under control, and that you're not criminals.
>>36289537Then Science can be used instead of Persuasion. And since I can also use Science in combat in other ways, then now Science is overpowered.
>>36289554why won't you stop
Also, I say we should define skills as follows:Science includes things like psychology, general medicine, overall analysis of unfamiliar things through the scientific method (i.e. figuring out what a machine is intended to do, or what a collection of unfamiliar parts assemble into), and trying to fuck about with advanced technology (like repairing an Atlantean devices). Psychology is helping people work through issues, trying to apply it to convince people of shit it very difficult. Persuasion is useful for convincing people of things.Also, I say Strikes shouldn't be a luck thing. Taking a Strike from a physical source is an injury like a sprained ankle, heavy bruising, or another type of flesh wound that you need to get through either by having someone give you first aid or using the patented Disney Power of Friendship. It's fairly common in Disney for people to be able to recover very quickly from injury.Psychologically given strikes are things that lessen your will to fight without hurting you physically. These are restored by someone who understands the mind talking you through it after the fight, or using the Power Of Love/Power Of Friendship to get through it.
>>36289554he literally said if you couldn't use it in combat. are you blind? it's not even nearly close to music, persuade, deceit, and a host of other skills.
Can we get a definitive list of abilities that can heal Strikes? From what I can see there are:>Science"The bandage should hold up for now. Make sure not to strain the leg too much. Try walking with a cane, maybe.">Persuasion"I know it seems rough right now, but I want you to know you can do it, okay? We've been through worse, and we made it out alright".>Occult? "Doctors and their confounded medecines! Listen to me, sonny, chew on this here root and you'll be right as rain!">Mechanics, if one has the right power."This is the perfect opportunity to test my Flesh Ricombinator 9000!"
>>36289551But you just said I could do that!Literally right here!>>36289537>>36289553But now I have to roll more times, when the entire point of this system is to avoid too many rolls and rules and bonuses and just put together on attribute and one skill.
>>36289579Just read the Combat rule: you can use every skill with every attribute as long as you can justify it. Well, I'm using my medical knowledge of the human body to hurt them where it matters.
>>36289575Science is anything that isn't covered by Academics or Occult. Moreover, people aren't hurt much in Disney movies unless it takes them out of the fight.>>36289581There's just Science. We've been having that argument for the last thread. >>36289583Telling a guard to not get his buddies is reliant on emotions. How could that possibly be logical argument?
>>36289538If you lose a strike, you are not getting cut down. You are dodging it still, but it's much too close for comfort.
>>36289583>But you just said I could do that!Highly situational.>But now I have to roll more timesAnd that is the price you must pay for 'MUH VERSIMILITUDE'. Pick your poison.
>>36289608Or it's hitting your armor, or glancing you.
>>36289596That. . . that would actually make sense. I mean, I can see myself allowing it during a game.
>>36289596that would still be ranged or melee depending on what weapon you're using.
>>36289621It makes sense if you're somehow not using melee, ranged, or brawl to deal a physical strike.Which is unlikely.
>>36289631Acupuncture attack in the surprise round.
>>36279474P-please write a Elsverd femdom story.P-p-p-p-please?
>>36289605So you can't use Persuasion to convince people that it's going to be okay? Not even momentarily? That still relies on emotions, right?
>>36289612No it's not: the price of verisimilitude is keeping track of how you got each Strike.>>36289608But we removed the name Dodge to allow people to take hits head on.>>36289620Here: glancing strikes.>>36289623>>36289631No, it would not: you can use any skill to deal Strikes.It's the core of the combat system. any skill that can be argued to work will work.
>>36289653Maybe you can, but at a penalty. Seems a fair compromise to me.
>>36289666>But we removed the name DodgeHonestly, we should have kept it.
>>36289666However you want to describe it, Satan, it's still a not-quite-hit that doesn't kill you. Wheter it's a parry, a dodge or something else.
>>36289666So argue it to work. I've yet to see you do so.
CREATING A NEW THREAD NOW.Walt help me...
>>36289650That'd be funny, but I'd say that still falls under Melee given that it's using a melee weapon.>>36289653You'd convince them, but not with the sincerity of someone using medical, actual training.>>36289666>being this denseWe divided Dodge into Prevent Harm and Endure because people were getting confused by the fact that Dodge let you tank a hit and suffer no actual repercussions, like it bouncing off your skin and not bruising.Moreover, trying to claim you're using Science to deal a hit with a knife would be interesting at best.
>>36289524My plane just landed and I was finally able to jump back on. Same way I feel. That said, more rumor mill.The Rat Knight>killed by Dragon>fucking killed Dragon>besides Jenner and (ghost) Nicodemus he is one of the few individuals left in the Rose Bush. Many have described the Rat's tech as eldritch or esoteric and he stands watch over it, silent as ever.>He wanders the land, serving as a protector of special sites. No one knows where he will pop up, or why.>Guarding Mrs Brisby
>>36289690Then sometimes I get hit by a glancing strike. Which means I have a flesh wound. Which mean that, after combat, I should need some bandages, not a pep talk.
>>36289490To be fair, we've mostly made the system. We've just got some tweaking to do to it.
>>36289695Fair enough. Could be a thing where you gain a bonus from taking an extra roll though.
>>36289713Or, more likely, the strike bounces off your armor or off your very skin because we don't exactly follow the rules of logic in disney-land.
>>36289653>>36289670I like the idea of being able to use Persuasion not to remove strikes temporarily, but to let you take more Strikes than normal temporarily. I suggest it works as a sort of temporary second wind, a bit like temporary Hit Points.
>>36289693>>36289695Same way that I can hurt someone by calling them a faggot with Persuasion, I can hurt someone by telling them that they have clearly contracted scurvy and should run away to find some lemons. Trust me, I'm a doctor.
>>36289713>needing bandages for a flesh wound>not a pep talk to ignore the pain of a mere flesh woundDo you even mind over matter?
>>36289695>You'd convince them, but not with the sincerity of someone using medical, actual training.So what, does it work at a penalty? Can it only cure a single strike for each person? Oh, oh, maybe it gets progressively worse: like the first time you use it it's at -2. then -4 etc. etc.
>>36289755>I can hurt someone by telling them that they have clearly contracted scurvy and should run away to find some lemons. Trust me, I'm a doctor.. . . fuck.
>>36289754I think it could be an interesting Power. I'll see what I can roll up.>>36289755Calling someone a Faggot would likely be Deceit or, more likely, Intimidate.>>36289769That's a possible thought; Perhaps it cures a strike, but you take a significant penalty to do it because you don't have any actual training. Or, maybe the strike returns after they think about it for a few minutes.
>>36289755So you would go around scaring people into submission by reading them a list of symptoms. It does sound amazing as a character concept.
>>36289812Could be an interesting Power or Trait that lets you use Science to convince people that they've got explosive... womblosis, or something.
Nickodemus>dead>the plot never got to the point where he could die, he joined the rescue and truth society>died but persists in the rose bush and surrounding area, guiding those in need>was unable to make the trip due to his old age, the Great Owl came and collected his old friend, taking him away to some unknown location
>>36289812Might require a little prepwork, or dumb luck. Knowing what symptoms they are currently suffering, taking actions to make sure they're suffering certain symptoms....
>>36289755>>36289784>>36289812As much as I hate to admit it, it could work. ok, so you can use science to strike. so what?
>>36289831I think you would use Science to drug people or something similar, if you're looking for uses.
>>36289823>>36289831It requires nothing: it's just a Science roll. I don't need Weapon Finesse to use a melee weapon with Agility, right? We are not in D&D here.>>36289832So now I can use Science to heal people, to persuade them and to deal Strikes. Now Science is overpowered, just because we can't keep trak of how each strike was dealt.>>36289784>>36289812It's pretty sweet, yes.
>>36289874If you know how to make an argument like this, why did you shitpot until now?
>>36289874>science>overpoweredIt's like you haven't even considered what other skills have vastly more uses than Science. It's a skill with limited utility, even if it can deal Strikes.Also, I'm pretty sure Melee uses only robustness at the moment but I'd like to change that.
I know we're having a different debate right now but what do people think of the rumor mill stuff? Good? Bad? Or pure faggotry? I'm not getting any feedback.
>>36289907I didn't shitpost: I have always been making this same argument: if we don't keep the Strikes divided, Science can deal Strikes, heal every kind of Strike, persuade people and do everything you can do by having every science at your disposal.Making money? I'm an economist.Making explosive? I'm a chemist.Making drugs? We are breaking bad, now, son!>>36289911Nope:>>36282438>>36282467
>>36289978>making explosivesThat's a class power for the Smart Guy, so possibly.>Making drugsCraft.>making moneyAcademics. Or, barter, depending on how you're doing it.Science is incredibly limited in a disney setting compared to Music, Deceit, Persuasion, hell, Legerdemain, Occult, and Craft.
>>36289978>We are breaking bad, now, son!First the quack doctor and now this: your ideas are beautiful when you're not trolling Nob. Stop being a dick and bring your ass over to the playest.
>>36290031We removed barter a long time ago, you made that poll yourself.And since we make potions with Science, just like we argued back in thread ten or around there, I can make drugs with Science. You don't build drugs, after all.
>>36290057The poll got two votes; one for, one against.Also, making absolutely anything falls under Craft or a power. We don't even have potions...
>>36290075We introduced potions when we discussed using science to give people buffs and we agreed to it. So yeah, I can also use Science to give out buffs.
>>36290114>weTwo people agreed to it. It's not listed under Science's use and it hasn't been discussed except to be shot down since, when it got embroiled in the discussions about magic.
>>36290075>Also, making absolutely anything falls under CraftNo, potions are Science. We taled it over for a long time and we decided for it. I know you hate to remember other people ideas, but you were there.
>>36290136We never shot it down because it never came up ever again: it was already in the system since then, so no reason to talk about again.
>>36290075>>36290057I suggest we implement a new rule: Dual-skill rolls. To perform certain tasks, you must complete two checks. For example, to make a potion, I would make a Science check with Intelligence to know what to put in the potion, and a Craft check with Agility to have the steady hands to mix it all together. For another example from this thread, to convince someone they have a disease, I'd make a Deceive check and a Science check. This lets us categorize checks much better.What do you guys think?
>>36290190While I like the idea of keeping it as simple as possible, I also think that a lot of tasks should require more than one roll. After all, not every task is the equivalent of climbing a wall. So yes, I think that a double roll would be a nice rule: first you have to prove hoe to do something very complex, then you have to prove you can actually make it real.Thanks, very good job.
>>36290217*you know how to
>>36283697Hey, so I've got the official major non air and trade routes. I've also included capitals and major cities. Feel free to make comments since this is in no way the completed map
>>36291255Also I know the capitals aren't pin point exact, just roll with me here, I'm eyeballing it.