Welcome to the XXXII installment of "Disney Villains Victorious."Disney Villains Victorious is a new /tg/ homebrew project based on the idea of a world, not entirely unlike our own, in which all the villains from all the Disney animated feature films were not defeated at the ends of their movies but were instead victorious, completing their goals in part or in whole.It is a world in which Ursula rules the seas, defied only by the uncatchable Pirate Lords, the cutthroat merchants of the East India Trading Company and the might of Atlantis and its magitech-toting mercenaries. It is a world where the grasslands and jungles and forests are prowled not only by fearsome primal beasts like Shere Kahn and Scar but also by the ruthless, tireless hunters that stalk them. It is a world where Europe has been divvied up between evil sorcerous monarchs like Maleficent, the Horned King, Grimhilde and Jafar, mad, inquisitorial clergymen like Frollo, and Dark Gods like Hades and Chernobog.It is not, however, a world completely devoid of courage, heroism or hope. Around the world, the PCs' characters and their allies plot and plan, fight and strive and win their own victories against the villains that would rule them. The time to fight and to be free is now.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+Victorioushttp://1d4chan.org/wiki/Disney_Villains_VictoriousAssembled pastebins:King/Land/Rule: http://pastebin.com/Z8wFJrhhSetting Traits: http://pastebin.com/8RRbwMQTTRAITS: http://pastebin.com/uHCXg4EVPOWERS:http://pastebin.com/pQDDqisUGeneric Traits: http://pastebin.com/MZwvGsyXFluff Catalogue: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qj_IIuF_rqh_F2L-SeYn-dBiwDTtwWFpnbcXyfcgeE8/editSong Catalogue: (google doc) 1oQniqbLaTCF7V19fnXP0_zUW7GFr3ESziGM6U5mEcC0/editRumour Mill: (google doc) 17CzFrAblibwD__7sEYorqXSz4ILYVp1O4tcQ-mGyYiI/edit?usp=sharingFirst Playtest: http://pastebin.com/Vy1E0sHBSecond playtest:http://pastebin.com/qE1kW0YY
Character creation 'doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m8XSm73Ea4ECdDdP9V4IVJCEBji6HPw43LRPyUCDmx4/edit?usp=sharingBeast Species:http://pastebin.com/PwVr9VeT
Welcome to thread XXII!In the last thread we>made more fluff>ran and processed the second playtest>made civil discussion about shipping elsa/sverd and elsa roughly dominating him>complained that everything was OP>determined that only armored and armed beasts were actually OP>made some more fluffAnd that about wraps up last thread.
>>36258300Thread XXXII, rather.Goddamn sticky keys.
So if I'm reading the map on 1d4chan right, we're not going with the scenario where Rourke threw it in with the colony of virginia, and instead where the imperial republic is spread over islands around the world?
>>36258258So Nob, character-building question (related to both those posts):I want to make a guinea pig Smart Guy, but I don't know if the Mouse traits are right for him. Guinea pigs can grow kinda big (see pic)Thoughts?
So; I've been bouncing around an idea in my head that will make Lackeys a bit more dangerous;We're going to give Inner Circle and Villain enemies additional Actions every round, so should we do the same and give Lackeys 2 actions each?>>36258348Rourke and Radcliffe(Ratcliffe?) are allied, but not the same nation.
It looks like we're at the point in our archival that we're starting to get a few downvoters on Sup/tg/
>>36258363Hmm. I'd recommend increasing the size to Small then, if you want a big-ol rodent creature. Perhaps I should change it to Rodents in the next 'bin, since at small it'd sort of encompass rabbits too.
>>36258381I blame the wizards.
Suggestion: A Rapier or something similar that allows someone to use Agility instead of Robustness for melee, but just with that weapon.
>>36258438I remember a debate about replacing the 'no slowed movement through difficult terrain' with "can use agility for melee attacks' but i forgot how it concluded.
>>36258464well, mechanically, there isn't a huge difference between Melee and Ranged attacks other than the attributes involved, and you can already use ROBUSTNESS for Ranged with thrown weapons, so it seems fine.Also, the reason I want to do it is that I want to be able to make a monkey that can fight, and ranged would make him Diddy Kong
Totally making a dude from DOOMtown.
>>36258520didn't we remove doomtown?
>>36258529It's still here on the settings traits and the wiki - I don't see it on the map, though.
>>36258520Gonna have to wait until the expansions for that.
>>36258538Suppose I'll have to pick some place else then. Shouldn't be too hard.
Every fucking time a new thread starts, discussion dies down entirely.
>>36258715I imagine it's pretty late for some folks, so they might have already turned in for bed.
It's assumed that all characters have hammerspace for their stuff, right?
>>36258754Not really.Try and keep it reasonable. Don't bring along a bajillion swords.
>>36258754Yeah. We aren't doing inventory management, and I'd advise against implementing weight limits.>>36258715It's late here (midnight) and i'm tired. I'm basically going to bed in the next twenty minutes and am only around to answer questions rather than actually debate.
>>36258251 We all know Captain Jack was entirely okay with being the last of the pirates. We also know hes rather desperate for Immortality, going as far as the Fountain of Youth to do so. The only reason he have up on being the Dutchman was the fact he couldn't go back on land and he would become like Davy. We also know that Jack dislikes not only the brethern court, but also the pirate kings as well.So, heres my question: What if Urusla promised Jack Immortality and free rights over the sea and piratery in exchange for being her lieutenant and killing off the rest of the pirates and davy Jones.OR, we could use the first movie, and have Jack as the sole afflicantant of the Golden Medallions curse
>>36258811That's a good question, but I think Jack's fate is one of those things that we decided to leave up to the GM; he's either roaming the Asian seas in the Black Pearl, trying to overthrow the Pirate Kings, or he's currently in the Kraken and thus in Davy Jones' Locker.Also; Jack's too smart to trust Ursula. Golden Curse would make more sense.
I'm back and hopefully have everything catalogued.Glad to hear playtests are going well.
>>36258845I dunno, hes fallen for some stupid tricks before. Remember the ending of pirates 3, where they lead jack out onto the meeting grounds, only to swap him out for Turner and steal his piece of eight? Also, I think Ursula would rather keep Jack around. Who would be a better human servant for the mad sea witch then the mad sea pirate?
>>36258901How would that even work?
>>36258973So Sverd, did your character have the Power 'Fated Duel', or was it something else? I've decided to go with a Strong Role character, so I'm looking for some advice.
>>36258901>>36258973>Who would be a better human servant for the mad sea witch then the mad sea pirate?Simple. Jack becomes the mad sea witch's mad sea bitch....Oh, Disney, and we were JUST talking about Elsa domming Sverd in the last thread, weren't we?
Design archetypes for characters;these aren't classes, just general paths players should be able to take their characters down.None of this is written in stone, this is literally something we threw together back in the day and never really used again other than flavoring Powers after it.http://pastebin.com/1qqesDus
>>36258995Taken from Sverd's power list:Powers:Test your might: Spend a Will Point to challenge an enemy to HONORABLE, SINGLE COMBAT. Neither you nor the target may attack others while in single combat, nor may you be attacked by outside forces. You and your target must close to melee as soon as possible. This effect lasts 3 rounds.Zealous Champion: Martin cannot be dissuaded from the cause of protecting the weak and innocent by Illusions or social skills unless the other party spends a will point.Sverd is above all a combination Robustness/Social character with nothing in-between, based off the idea of him being ludicrously naive and innocent. He's probably not the best model for a straight strength character, who'll want Robustness, Agility and Sensibility.>>36259025Is this going to be a recurring theme?
>>36258995It's Just A Flesh Wound!: Spend a will point to immediately get back 2 strikes.
>>36259040Well, _I_ don't know. Is it??
>>36259040Elsa called. She said you've been a very naughty boy today and you need to report to her bedchambers immediately.
>>36259059>>36259064At some point someone's going to writefag something about this and then everyone will just be horrified and sorry.
>>36259064"Are you coming to bed? Or are you going to misbehave again?"
>>36259044>>36259040>>36259026Well, I wanted to build from the more princely, 'knight on a white stallion' archetype that seems to be ever pertinent in Disney films, though rather than being naive and charming, he comes off as more brash and straight-to-the-point. So far the powers I have him revolve around ally fighting, with Protector and Achilles Heel, though I'd like for him to be able to ride into combat. >>36259026Sort of like the 'rider and melee fighter' idea mentioned here, but I've also considered good old sword and board.
>>36259095Or we'll be laughing our asses off even harder. It could really go either way.
>>36259095You're kidding yourself if you think Rule 34 fic of any of these characters doesn't already exist.But I honestly agree 100% with you notwithstanding.captcha: use strydnap
>>36259106So more of a classic straight-up Prince then? Kinda like Prince Phillip?
>>36259132Hmhmm. Coincidentally, I also have him hailing from the Fey lands.
>>36259124>rule 34 of Sverd exists somewheresince fucking when
>>36259150Obviously I don't mean PC's, anon. Yet.
>>36259150Rule 34b: If no porn is found at the moment, it will be made.
>>36259106May want to consider Ride'm! if you're not too picky about what kind of stallion you're riding.You'll want 2 ranks in Melee at least and AT LEAST one rank in Travel for the riding powers.>>36259150Twenty minutes till it hits gelbooru if he's one of the eventual Sample characters.Let me guess, every female villain is going to becomes somebodies waifu. I have so many villain concepts I want to use, and so little time!
I'm going to go to sleep now and if a single piece of porn is produced from this general until I get back here in roughly 16 hours, I will be so upset I won't write any songs for a couple hours.
Hey guys, still bummed I missed todays game. When might the next one be?Also do you guys use roll20 as a sort of IRC or is there an IRC proper for DVV?
>>36259183Sverd's a pretty good sample character for the Champion archetype.
>>36259193I have drawfag skills Sverd, don't tempt me.
>>36259205We're using roll20 as a semi-IRC, it's got a bit more continuity to it.Next one's on thursday at, oh, seven? Yeah, let's go with Seven.
>>36259224Thanks! Hope I can make it.
>>36259224What time zone?
>>36258251Chernobog should be like, the supreme evil villain guy of the setting.He's basically a stand-in for Satan in Fantasia anyway, might as well run with it.
>>36259265EST.>>36259276Yeah, he's literally Satan and runs most of the villains like puppets.>>36259206Yep. Ideally, we should have one for each Archetype, but I'm not sure I have the patience for that at the moment.
>>36259276He totally is already, though. Did you read the 1d4chan page?
>>36259276Oh, we've been running with that assumption for at least 25 threads now.
>>36259284>>36259287>>36259293Neato. Just my two cents, I'm otherwise not particularly interested in this setting (not much use for any of my tabletop games), but carry on, it's an interesting idea nontheless.
What's everyone working on fluff or crunch-wise right now?
>>36259440Not sure yet, I'll do my nightly story after I get back from exercising, but I don't have any immediate ideas.
>>36259440More crunch - trying to work with attributes and skills.
>>36259440Tightening up the crunch on Captain Jack Sparrow.http://pastebin.com/Ysi0b0mZWith that, i'm off to bed. Thread should still be here in the morning, hopefully. Good night.
>>36259440Nominally, I'm still working on the Villain Rumor Mill and the Adventurer's Almanac. Right now, though, I'm just making a bunch of characters. I did crunch up an EITC Setting Power, though, so feel free to sound off on it.Cut The Red Tape: Your knowledge of the bureaucracy decreases the time needed to navigate it.Spend a Will point. Gain +5 to Deceit or Persuade attempts against members of the ruling government. (Kings and Gods excluded).
>>36259225I see your classy Beast and raise you a classy guinea pic PC.Name: VergilRole: Smart Guy (Professor)Country of Origin: EITCSize: Small (yes, they’re rodents, but they’re closer to a foot long)Species: Guinea Pig---Attributes---Robustness: 4/12Agility: 10/12Intelligence: 10/12Sensibility: 8/12Charm: 10/12Will: 4/4Strikes: 3/3---Skills---Acrobatics: 3Athletics: -2Melee:Ranged:Brawl:Prevent Harm: 3 Endure:Stealth: 3 (+3 when obscured)Legerdemain: 4Deceit: 3Persuasion: 3Intimidate:Academics: 4Science : 3Occult: 3Mechanics: 3Linguistics: 3 (Human, Birds, Insects/Bugs)Travel: Driving:Insight: 3Music:Craft: He rolls 4d6 and drops the lowest die every time he rolls on Intelligence.---Traits—Racial:Shiny things!: +2 to LegerdemainLight-feet: +3 to Stealth where visual detection is an issue.Deft Paws: 1 rank in Mechanics. Other: Nerdy Mc Nerderson: +4 on Academics, -2 on Athletics —Powers—Setting Power (Custom): Cut The Red Tape: Your knowledge of the bureaucracy decreases the time needed to navigate it. Spend a Will point. Gain +5 to Deceit or Persuade attempts against members of the ruling government. (Kings and Gods excluded). I Read About That!: Spend a Will point. Gain +3 to the next Academics, Occult, or Science roll you make. Roll twice and take the better result.---Ideals—Proper manners are important. (Eating conversation parters isn’t gentlemanly at all).The longer a word is, the better.The pursuit of knowledge is the noblest one, so write down anything you learn.---Goals---Zero: Successfully convince a hungry predator not to eat me.On-a-Roll: Visit the legendary libraries of Alexandria and Atlantis. (Those seem to be the only ones.)Or: See if the legendary Mary Poppins exists.Hero: Uncover one of the world’s biggest secrets.Or: Reclaim a piece of English knowledge/culture from the Horned King.
>>36259701Vergil part 2Physical Description: A fairly large and plump brown guinea pig, wearing a vest and waistcoat complete with handkerchiefs and monocle. RUNDOWN: His mother and father were two guinea pigs for one of Yzma’s many experiments to increase intelligence. Or maybe she just transformed them from humans. Vergil doesn’t really know. Afterwards, they were left to face the world (and all the hungry, hungry Peruvians) on their own. They managed to escape, though, and Vergil was born aboard the vessel, inheriting his parents’ human-level intelligence. The ship came to port, and the wandering Vergil was found by the daughter of an EITC officer and became the family pet. To their surprise, they soon discovered that Vergil was as smart as any other person, and thus led a comfortable young life reading all the books in the family’s library, playing with the officer’s daughter, and learning to be a proper English gentleman. When the daughter got married, she left some of her dolls' clothes to Vergil, who then decided to set out into the world in the pursuit of knowledge. Is well-spoken and tries to keep a stiff upper lip as a proper gentleman should, but is prone to jumpiness nonetheless. He is IMMEDIATELY suspicious of any human or carnivore that he knows/suspects is from South America, unless he has a written/spoken promise from them that they’re not interested in eating him. He’s also wary of the ‘savages’ that exist in the wildEquipment: EITC maps of the world (+1 travel)2 or 3 guinea pig-size notebooks, a few pencil halves, fountain pen and inkspare monocles with chains, spare handkerchiefsFeel free to rate! (Is this too fragile a character? Will he die right away???)
>>36259701Oops, make Legerdemain a 2 there...
>>36259701>>36259723>Robustness: 4/12>Agility: 10/12>Prevent harm: 3You better fucking hope you never have to rely on robustness for anything ever
>>36259723>anyone targeting the nerdy hamster>everYou'll be fine.
>>36259758Yeah, I made sure to sink points into Agility specifically to avoid combat.(And that's a guinea pig to you, sir.)
>>36259755I used the Mouse table, but I don't quite think it fits creatures who are slightly bigger. Should I just make it a -1 to Robustness and a +1 to Agility?
>>36259701Right proper Disney character here. Two issues; Your character has poor means of dealing Strikes, but you're just going to have to suck that up. Other issue: Professor isn't a class, it isn't anything really. It's just an idea to develop things.Going back to my lair now. Good character, 10/10.
So I'm a bit confused as far as where skill distribution is confused. You get 10 points to start with, right?
>>36259816>Your character has poor means of dealing StrikesPerfectly fine with it. Don't worry about that. I'll settle for confusing enemies or chewing through the pulley ropes.>Professor isn't a classI know again. Don't worry Nob, I know what I'm doing. Goodnight now.
Every time the namefags go to sleep the thread struggles to stay alive
>>36260074I'm not dead yet - just about to post what I've got.
>>36260074I could always just post the characters I'm working on to bump, I guess.Think of this time as the calm eyes of the hurricane anon.
I have something: -------Character Sheet---------Name: Gil, Heir to the Throne of AgrabahRole: Charming GuyCountry of Origin: Land of the LeopardSize: SmallSpecies: Monkey---Attributes---Robustness: 8/12Agility: 12/12Intelligence: 5/12Sensibility: 7/12Charm: 12/12Will: 3/3Strikes: 3/3
>>36260098---Skills---Acrobatics: 3 (5)Ranged: 3 (5)Prevent Harm: 3 (4)Endure: 3Stealth: 3Legerdemain: 3Deceit: 3 (5)Persuasion: 3Intimidate: 3Linguistics: 3 (human, predator, bird)Travel: 3Music: 3---Traits----Wanna Be Like You- 1 rank of Linguistics at Character Creation-Monkeyin' Around- Monkey only: +2 to Deceive.-Increased Mobility- +2 to Acrobatics.-Attribute Bonuses: Monkey: +2 Agility, +2 Charisma, -2 Robustness.-Wait. Did He Just Steal My Wallet?- +2 to sleight of hand rolls when stealing things.---Powers---Ride’m – Ride all the things (including players)How Dashing: Spend a will point; +5 to Deceive and Persuasion as long as you are doing something suitably ridiculous like dancing in front of armed guards.---Ideals---Shiny Things go to waste if bad people themThe best way to win is not to fight at all.Good food makes good monkeys---Goals---Zero: Steal a valuable and/or magical item from someone who deserves itOn-a-Roll: Liberate an area from a Beast KingOr Meet AbuHero: Free Agrabah from Jafar (and steal the lamp back)Or Get the Cave of Wonders repaired and move inOr Depose a Beast KingEquipment:Light Armor: +1 PHShort Bow: +2 RangedFez of the Ancestors: A fez passed down from AbuPhysical Description: 3’5”, covered in orange fur, is a monkey wearing a hatRundown:After escaping with a magic Carpet, Abu eventually briefly came to rest in The Land of the Leopard, where he conceived a son. Gil has never met his father, but he has one token of his father’s love: a purple fez. (Or it could’ve been any monkey with a fez, but Gil insists his father is Abu. Gil wanders the world, stealing shiny things and helping the oppressed. Gil continually insists that he is the rightful King of Agrabah due to his particular placement of pets on the line of succession.
>>36260098>>36260110kek'd>Intelligence: 5/12Hmm, it seems like Beast characters are a bit more specialized than humans.>dat rundownYou used my rumor! 8DLike how you kept it vague, as well, so that the GM could use the potential plot hook there.All in all, 10/10 would go on rollicking adventuresome mishaps with, old bean.
Name: Antoine Du BeaumontRole: Strong GuyCountry of Origin: France, the Fae LandsSize: MediumSpecies: Human---Attributes---Robustness: 11/12Agility: 10/12Intelligence: 6/12Sensibility: 6/12Charm: 7/12Will: 3/3Strikes: 4/4---Skills---Athletics: 3Melee: 5Prevent Harm: 5Endure: 4Travel: 5---Traits---- Not On My Watch!: +2 on Melee when fighting those that would hurt the innocent.- Etiquette: Gains a +3 to social situations among the nobility.- STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM!!+2 to Intimidate, Melee, Ranged and Prevent Harm against the criminal element.---Powers----ProtectorIf an ally has suffered a combat Strike in a battle, you can choose to defend and fight alongside that character. Both characters gain +4 to combat while fighting together-Achilles HeelIdentify one target enemy. You are able to spot a crippling weak point. All allied attacks against this enemy get +2 to cause a physical Strike or whatever the terminology is.---Ideals--->Speak one’s mind.>Protect the weak with both style and grace.>Keep the peace.
>>36260270 ---Goals--->Zero: Rescue a fair maiden from danger.>On-a-Roll: Restore the peace of his home village and defend it from the fae.>Hero: Restore wife to her former form.Equipment:>One-handed Sabre, +1 to Melee>Great Sword, +3 to Melee (Two-handed)>Steel Shield, +1 to PH>Light Armor, +1 to PH>White Stallion (Horse, used for riding + combat)Physical Description: A rather regal-looking man with short hair and a starry gaze. He rides an eggshell-white stallion into battle, and his light armor is decorated with all sorts of fancy-looking embellishments.Rundown: To be fair, Antoine’s wife had always been a bit of an egotistical woman - though he had loved her passionately since the day he had heroically (and rather stereotypically) saved her from the lair of a great beast. However, when the Mistress of all Evils rose to power, all of France came to suffer from her rule. Innocents were tormented and transformed, and among these victims was Antoine’s wife. Cursing her for her vain nature and exceptional beauty, Maleficent changed her form into that of white peony – Shocked and stunned, Antoine immediately set out on a quest to return his wife to her human shape, searching for ways in which to restore her. However, he fears this may mean confronting Maleficent directly.
>>36260098>>36260270Two very different princes.Also, why would you put a point into charm if you aren't gonna go full Robust/Charm? It'd be much more useful in Sensibility or Robustness unless you're planning on investing a lot more into persuades and music. It's pretty useless as it stands.
>>36260289I think I'll just scoot it into Robustness then.Robustness: 12/12Agility: 10/12Intelligence: 6/12Sensibility: 6/12Charm: 6/12Does that look better?
>>36260270>>36260316>+17 basic attack>+17 basic defenseSolid combat monster
I couldn't help it, guys. I just needed to get this written. A new DTP tomorrow, I promisehttp://pastebin.com/axGWLv3E
>>36260351It's a masterpiece.
>>36260351>his hair grew whiteWhat would that even look like? It's already practically white.
>>36259040Now I haven't written smut in twenty years, and I sure as he'll ain't gonna start today, but I'll be damned if this isn't the funniest ship I've seen in a while
So do we acknowledge the tech disparity or do we just handwave? Did a villain break time or mix dimensions or some shit?Like how there's a seventeenth century East India Trading Company in a world where medieval England is ruled by the Horned King and medieval Scotland is ruled by a giant bear, while on the other side of the world late Puritans square off against Roarke and his early twentieth century magitech mercenaries.Not saying its a problem, just want to know for the sake of writing fluff.
>>36259150[Spoiler] "and then Sverd put his willy in her. It was pretty good."[/spoiler]
>>36260446Bit of both, actually, time-space continuum got FUBAR due to Churned Butter's meddling. Most of the world is still adjusting to it.
>>36260416Lazarus is just that good
>>36260340I might get rid of Etiquette in place of another combat trait, but personally I'd like for it to stay since he's a prince and all.
Wrote this as a possible start for a campaign, about as open-ended as I could manage.The players open their eyes. The world has somehow changed between blinks; they no longer stand where they did a moment before. They are in a wide chamber with gold walls and floor and a ceiling the color of the dusking sky, decorated with stars and arcane symbols. The players spot each other for the first time, interactions ensue.After a few minutes of conversation, the double doors at one end of the chamber open, though nothing emerges. Instead the players find a staircase stretching through a void of stars to another set of doors, seemingly connected to nothing. Magic is clearly afoot.Beyond the second doors is a much smaller room, filled with stacks of ragged books, alchemical fluids pooling together, broken charms scattered about the floor haphazardly. In a large chair opposite the door sits a man. His beard is long and white, though unkempt, his robes a dark blue, tattered from what seems like ages of neglect. The man himself seems emaciated, though his posture is stiff and his gaze fierce."Welcome, travelers, do enter my sanctum. I pray you forgive me for spiriting you away so suddenly, but I would not have dared were the need not so dire. My name is Yen Sid, I was once a sorcerer of great power, though I have since been demoted to an observer, my powers dwindling by the growing darkness, though I still have enough to beckon you to and from this tower. I knew not whom the spell would seek out, only that it would search for those who crave a better world, those with the will to pursue a truly good future. Come, tell me of yourselves."Yen Sid listens carefully to each player. He does not respond to questions until each one has had their say.CONT'D
>>36260522There is desperation in the sorcerer's eyes, though his face remains stern."I know it is an enormous task I entrust to you, and you have the right to refuse. But know this: a good soul that chooses not to stand against this plague is akin to a hundred evil ones. Inaction will spell the true end of this world. If you succeed, however, even in saving the world from the smallest part of its evils, you will have done the work of ten lifetimes."Yen Sid conjures his crystal ball with a wave of his trembling hand. It illustrates for the players as he continues, showing fertile lands falling to ruin, bold heroes defeated and dying, sorrow and terror spreading."This world was not always destined for such a cruel fate. Heroes have fallen, kingdoms crumbled, families scattered and true love... denied. Conquered by tyrants, destroyers and traitors, it is the villains victorious where never before should they have triumphed. It is because of a force of great evil, intervening at every moment, foiling each act of heroism, that this world has fallen to such ruination. I dare not speak its name for fear of drawing its attention to you."The sorcerer sighs deeply, he is still coping with his own failures."I have attempted to counteract the fiend, but to no avail, for it was well-prepared for my magics. You may be the last hope for this world, and I can offer little guidance. I know not how to vanquish this great evil... but you may be able to discover one. Go out into the world, seek out the last vestiges of hope among the people of this broken world and rally them. I implore you, for a brighter world, do not allow evil to remain triumphant."
>>36260270>>36260278Good crunching, man. Time to flesh out his personality!What would make him interesting?(Keep in mind: I'm just giving you suggestions to make him stand out a bit and give you more ideas to roleplay him. Feel free to ignore any of this.)Now what makes him different? Does he think badly of all fairies because of what happened to his wife? Does he have relationship issues? Does he carry his wife the peony in a flowerpot with him? Does he talk to it?The fact that he's scared of Maleficent is good. I'm just saying all this because while it's fine to play a straight Disney character expy, adding in something else will make him more memorable.
>>36260522>>36260532*clapping*Hey, man, can I use most of this for the Adventurer's Almanac introduction? It's general enough to set the tone for the entire RPG.
>>36260617Go ahead, it's meant to work for just about any campaign.
>>36260549His nature is charming, but also rather brash. While many could consider his confidence a good thing, he sometimes comes across as rather audacious or overbearing.>Does he think badly of all fairies because of what happened to his wife? Yes, he would hold a strong loathing towards them not only for what happened to his wife, but also due to the constant havoc being wrought upon civilizations all across France. Though Antoine fears Maleficient’s power (as well as the power of the fae as a whole), he feels very strongly that they must be stopped. It would certainly take a while for him to get used to a ‘good fairy’, though they would never be able to see eye-to-eye.>Does he have relationship issues? Well, he certainly doesn't think so! But of course, there were quite a few problems with their marriage. He had the tendency to smother his wife and shower her with material goods, and though that’s not to say that he’s clueless as to how to have a proper relationship, he was upset that their marriage didn’t have a concrete ‘happily ever after’ – the bumps in the relationship persisted after the two of them got hitched, while he believed that they would go away after they were wed.Perhaps it wasn't his wife that was being punished so much as it was him - for his treatment towards her.>Does he carry his wife the peony in a flowerpot with him? Does he talk to it?I was thinking of having him pin it on his chest or carry it in some sort of pot, but he probably wouldn’t talk to it openly – in fact, trying to converse with his wife is something that he’s tried a countless number of times, though she doesn’t seem to be able to respond in her current form. He’s not even sure if she can hear him - I think that he would only talk to her if he was very sad.
>>36260733And bam! Now we all know more about him, and you know a bit more about how to play him. Everybody wins!
>>36260782So, are you sticking with your gerbil, or are you going to play another one of the characters you've been crunching and fluffing?
>>36260340>RUUULES OF NATUREEEE
>>36260821No idea. I was actually going to make one character for each role so I could pick the one that best fits (and so I can have backups if one of them dies.)Speaking of which, have another combat monster.Name: Helga O'HaraRole: Strong GirlCountry of Origin: Land of the BearSize: MediumSpecies: Human---Attributes---Robustness: 12/12Agility: 8/12Intelligence: 7/12Sensibility: 7/12Charm: 6/12Will: 3/3Strikes: 4/4---Skills---Acrobatics: 3Athletics: 3Melee: 4Ranged: 3Brawl: 4Prevent Harm: 3Withstand: 3Intimidate: 3Craft: 3---Traits—Don't You Disrespect Me, Little Man! +3 to Intimidate if the character has taken a Social strike in this Situation.Honorable Challenger: +3 to Melee and Prevent Harm while engaged in one-on-one combat.Let Me Show You How It's Really Done: +2 to combat rolls is the foes are using the same type of weapon or combat style ---Powers---Steel Drivin’: Spend one Heart Point. Gain a huge bonus for the next five non-combat physical acts of strength-Protector: If an ally has suffered a combat Strike in a battle, you can choose to defend and fight alongside that character. Both characters gain +4 to combat while fighting together---Ideals---I can defeat any challenger if I put my mind to it.I want to do my father’s name proud.I fight only for what I believe in.---Goals---Zero: Prove myself in single combat against a champion from every realm.Master the usage of these strange devices that make all that noise and shoot bullets.On-a-Roll: Recover my familial weapon. (Scottish, so probably a claymore)Hero: Defeat Mor’du and/or avenge my murdered kin.
>>36260853Physical Description:A fairly large (5’9”) and well-muscled girl with auburn hair and freckles, in typical mercenary dress. She has a bandanna of her family’s tartan that she wears around her neck/head at all times. She’s only been at this mercenary stuff for a while, and has already gotten sick of the things her fellows have been doing for pay, so she’s struck out on her own.She has a rather bad temper at times, and tends to break stuff when she’s angry, inadvertently or no. There’s a small chance she will also slip into nigh-intelligible Scottish brogue as well.Her ego bruises easily, and she reacts badly to teasing (see above). She’s prone to take people seriously and finds it hard to turn down a challenge issues to her. However, she’s basically good-natured for the most part, and is always up for a fight.Equipment:Basic Mercenary Armor (medium armor) Longsword (+2 to Melee, 1-or-2 handed)Hunting Knife (+1 to Melee)
>>36260853>>36260859Cool! Though, have any of the play testing characters died?
>>36260923I don't know, I actually kind of doubt it--unless you fail against one of the bigger-name bad guys.The other reason I'm cranking them out is if there are multiple campaigns.Still, it doesn't hurt to be overprepared.
>>36260923Oh, and btw none of the testers have died.They have switched characters, though, since their other ones were in the first test.
>>36260821>gerbilWhy can't any of you cads get it right? I am a guinea pig! Good day to you!
So how did the seond playtest go? What did you find out?
>>36261091Check out the end of the pastebin, it's up at the top.
>>36260446Y'know those stories of the early days of WW2 when groups of Polish Winged Hussar horseback cavalry charged Panzer tanks, with predictable results?I've taken it as there's a lot of that sorta curbstomping going around.
Posting my updated K/L/R for Captain Hook.King: Captain Hook - Pixie Dust. Thanks to the captive Tinkerbell, Hook has outfitted himself and his allies with flying ships to best evade the wrath of the sea witch Ursula. With the pirates constantly thinking happy thoughts about pirating as much as they could ever want, the majority of the captains and their crews are capable of individual flight as well, making them formidable foes. (They are, however, prone to depression. Songs about mothers seem to cripple morale). Captain Hook himself is a proud and capricious man who puts great faith in his skills as a leader, swordsman and sailor, and for good reason. Hook is a master of morale, and even the most cowardly buccaneer will gladly charge into battle with the captain's inspirational words and well-placed threats. His skill with a rapier is impeccable, but Hook though he adores good form, he is often found cheating in duels. Despite his shortcomings, his navigation skills through the skies are second to none, and he will gladly offer his services to those whom he doesn't plunder first.
>>36261807Lands: The Islands and the Cloud Sea. The islands controlled by the pirate alliance are constantly under siege from the sea, and so are largely unused on a day-to-day basis. Shore leave is a joyous occasion for the pirates, though very brief. PCs without flight must risk traversing the seas and catching one of the crews during their brief shore leaves before Ursula catches wind of the party and whips up a storm. The skies are where the pirates reign supreme, however, and any airborne group is a potential target for the loot-hungry pirate fleet. Walking the plank is nearly a mile down to the treacherous seas below. Pirates are predictable people though, and true to form they leave many buried treasures on their many islands. PCs in need of wealth might be able to track down these hidden caches, though digging up the pirates' treasure is a guaranteed way to make an enemy of them.
>>36261819Rule: Good Form. The crews of Hook, Davy Jones and the Pirate Lords abide by the strict laws of the Pirate's Code. The Code dictates everything of piratical life: rules of hierarchy, manners, fashion, engagement, combat etiquette, loot and just about every other aspect of life. The Code is to be strictly adhered to, and the pirates' views on the PCs will relate directly to it. A pirate PC would know the Code by heart, but any other would have to ask around or guess as to whether an question or action would possibly go against the Code. Violating the Code is a serious offense, one that could merit death if severe enough, though the rules can be skirted fairly easily since they're more of guidelines than actual rules. PCs that encounter Hook's fleet will most certainly be attacked, unless they can prove their usefulness otherwise. There is a good chance that the PCs will be shanghaied if they prove themselves to be capable fighters (though not capable enough to overpower the pirates).
>>36260446It's all over the place, really. The disparity isn't too bad, because most of the medieval or early gunpowder age factions also have a) numbers and b) magic to tip the scales in their favor. After all, a machine gun may be a great odds-leveler, but not when the enemy has giant stone jaguars (Kan), sorcerers turning your bullets into noodles (Jafar), knowledge of all your strategies (Grimhilde), a massive terrain advantage (La, the Beast Kings), or a willingness to keep charging long after you've run out of bullets (Frollo). Compounding that is that Atlantis, the most high-tech civilization, is also by far the smallest - even with its land territories, I doubt it could field an army of more than a few thousand. Not to mention that a lot of their best stuff, like the ancient Atlantean machines, is probably irreplaceable.
>>36261878>>36260446I always felt the reason for the tech disparity was because certain Villains or a more long-lived or immortal bent actively tried to repress technological advancement in their realms, or, through the presence of magic, convinced their citizens that it wasn't necessary. The more technologically advanced nations seem to be from the Americas and perhaps Australia, which you could choose to interpret as a result from colonists and immigrants escaping the Villain held lands and allowing technology to develop before their own villains were established in the New World.
>>36261962Yeah. After all, why would Cauldronborn need guns? The only thing it does is give them the same result slightly faster, and the Horned King's a patient dude.Besides, getting hacked apart with an axe is much slower and more painful than a bullet to the head, and we all know how the King feels about pain.
>>36261740I know this has nothing to do with the thread, but my autism forces me to say that most of the stories about that are bullshit. By the time of the war polish cavalry acted as mounted infantry (they fought on foot with rifles, machineguns and shit but used horses to move rapidly between battles) and was actually in the process of replacing horses with motorcycles and tankettes. What really happened is that an Ulhan division attacked a german convoy near the town of Chojnice but was caught in a counter-ambush by a tank division. When the war journalists arrived and started asking about all the dead horses the germans fed them the bull about the cavalry charge to make the polish look incompetent and backward in the eyes of potential allies. After the war the new soviet regime perpetuated the story to discredit the nobles and bourgeis of the local military elite.
>>36262050Yeah. Not to mention soldiers on horseback stuck around well into World War II, it wasn't just Poles being dumb.
>>36258438But you can already use Agility with Melee.
>>36262371so you don't need a trait or a power for it?
>>36262427No, you just have to roll on Agility + Melee; it's only the great sword that stops you from doing that.
I'm trying to write up a short bit to do with Virginia, but I'm unclear on how concrete the tech-level is. Are they still fucking around with 1600-1700's stuff, or has it progressed at least a little bit thanks to the fact that they don't have magic to back 'em up and their tyrant doesn't quite have a hard-on for their current level?
FINALLY DONE:>King: Empress Yzma the First and LastWhile Empress Yzma's dominion over the majority of South America would seem to imply that she is doing something right, you might be hard pressed to figure out exactly what that something is. Building on the foundations of narcissism, madness and wild unpopularity laid down by her predecessor and one-time protege Emperor Kuzco, Yzma's reign has so far brought more of the same, making the transition of power a relatively smooth one from the perspective of her jaded subjects. Despite all appearances however, she is much more than just a crazy old lady that's scary beyond all reason. Empress Yzma the First and Last is a consummate mad scientist with an encyclopedic knowledge of chemistry, alchemy, pharmacology and zoology. Even beyond her love of transforming people into bizarre and ridiculous things, she is also well versed in other cartoonishly super-villainous disciplines, such as lever pulling, deathray building, monster ranching, secret laboratory rollercoasting and, her most impressive feat to date: banishing the sun from her Empire. The true threat Yzma poses to would-be adventurers and the world is not what you know she can do, but what you don't know she will do.
>>36262995>Land: The Sunless EmpireThe first thing an adventurer would notice about the Sunless Empire is that it does indeed appear to lack a sun, having in its place something very much but not quite like a solar eclipse with a caricature of the Empress' bat-like face at the center. This astronomical eyesore leaves the entirety of Yzma’s Sunless Empire bereft of the daystar’s life-giving rays, but aside from blanketing the land in an eternal twilight it does not seem to have affected things much at all. For reasons Empress Yzma will not or cannot explain, plant and animal life continue to flourish despite the lack of sunshine, leaving the lowlands and tributaries swathed in some of the densest and most untamed jungle the world has ever known. This jungle is crowded with the dangerous mix-and-match beasts and violent vegetation that have flourished there as a result of centuries of magical potion runoff that has flowed downhill from the Empire’s population centers in the Yzmandean Mountains, surrounding the upland-heartlands like a madcap moat and protecting it from the militaristic machinations of most other nations.
>>36263006In the Sunless Empire proper, the upland-heartlands are densely populated and extensively terraced to provide Empress Yzma’s citizens with the room they need to live their lives, farm their land and raise their llamas, or whatever it is that peasants do with all that free time they always seem to have when they aren’t dealing with random transformations, tax-hikes and their Empress’ mad whims. Above them, the peaks of the Yzmandean Mountains themselves have been sculpted into the stylized likenesses of the Empress and carved out into a labyrinthine, cliff-clinging metropolis known as Yzmopolis, an empty city but for all the failed experiments wandering around, built mostly as a monument to Yzma’s vanity. Above even this rambling ghost town is the great golden palace of Empress Yzma the First and Last Herself is perched upon the tallest mountain, craning the necks and rolling the eyes of all below who behold its tackiness.
>>36263017>Rule: Nothing is certain except death and taxes. And monsters. And Kronk’s stupidity.Empress Yzma the First and Last cares just as much about adventurers and their plans as she does about her subjects and their hopes, dreams and aspirations, which is to say she cares nothing at all for any of these things. All Yzma really cares about is her comfort, her vanity, her experimentation and, just maybe, Kronk, and anything the adventurers do, absolutely anything that doesn’t directly impact the Empress or her ego will go completely unnoticed. The Sunless Empire is a strange and intensely magical place after centuries of its ruler’s rampant experimentation, and as a result the majority of its population possesses at least some mix-and-match animal parts, with a fair number among them being fully chimeric creatures. This does not make them bad people, but it has left them completely jaded and used to Empress Yzma’s mad schemes and machinations, making them less inclined to aid adventures in attempts to overthrow the mad scientist. It also suggests that the longer the adventures stay in the Sunless Empire, the higher the chance is that they may wind up with a tiger tail or ram’s horns or something equally outlandish as a result of the high ambient magic levels.
>>362628751700, but they import a lot of atlantean stuff.
>>36263006This actually presents a semi-legitimate reason why Yzma's empire is so huge. It's not that she's actually gone out and conquered these lands. The magical pollution from Yzmopolis has just fucked everything up downhill from it.
>>36263390Thanks. It certainly took me long enough, but I really wanted the KLR and the Sunless Empire itself to reflect the wackier tone of The Emperor's New Groove.
>>36258251Would Zira still be Scar's wife? Would Scar even need Kovu to succeed him in this universe?
Any suggestions for writefaggotry?
>>36263835I'd like to read something weird and maybe creepy about Yzma's Empire or Wonder Land.
>>36263835>>36263876Please yes, do somthing with wonderland
>>36263867Ehhh, I either go full out or subtle, so I'll think about it>>36263876This I can do
>>36263915Great great great, can't wait to read it
>>36263835What are your interests within the setting? I'd say go with whatever interests you most, but if you're really strapped for ideas I would suggest:>Daily life in Yzma's Sunless Empire>Clarisse the Beastling's childhood>Conversations between Cauldron-Born>ROBUST PUNCH FAIRY GETS SERIOUS>An Agrabahnian Street Rat's Big Heist
>>36263915Sunless Empire or Wonder Land? But we get weird monsters in both cases, so it's all good.
>>36263867It's okay Knightfag, someone will eventually write it.
>>36263006Yzma's empire really sounds like something from Girl Genius. I like it.
>>36263946I might write something too, if I can find the time while at work. Do any if these ideas appeal you you folks, or do you have any suggestions otherwise?
>>36263946>conversations between cauldronbornI will do this when I get home
>>36264150Conversations between Cauldron Borns, of course.
Some rumor mill stuff, tell me what you think>Lord Weselton___> Frozen in Arendelle>Lord Weselton actually survived and made it back to his own lands. His Dukedom has become a staging point for all expeditions into the Frozen Wastes. Hunters, Atlanteans, Frollo's Witch Hunters, etc can all be found there>Having witnessed Elsa's freezing of Arendelle he has only become more passionate in his fear and hate of magic. Magic users are either burned at the stake or given to Frollo's witch hunters>It is said that Lord Weselton tells a very different story concerning what happened in Arendelle than Hans. It can be difficult to get this story from him however, as his paranoia has continued to grow. He stays in his castle where he is always seen with his guards>Lord Weselton has offered a large bounty for a woman by the name of Mother Gothel. He refuses to say why he has posted the bounty.>Lord Weselton is not at heart a cruel man. If one were to crack through his paranoia he could become an ally for the forces of good.
Name: Captain Anitelu Ahomana, Pirate-Prince of PolynesiaRole: Strong GuyCountry of Origin: PolynesiaSize: MediumSpecies: Human---Attributes---Robustness: 11/12Agility: 7/12Intelligence: 7/12Sensibility: 7/12Charm: 8/12Will: 3/3Strikes: 4/4---Skills---Athletics: 4Melee: 3 Prevent Harm: 4Endure: 3Persuasion: 3Intimidate: 3 Ranged: 3Linguistics: 3 Travel: 3 Driving: 3---Traits---Chivalry: +2 to Persuasion and Intimidation so long as you follow your culture's warrior code.Don't You Disrespect Me, Little Man!: +3 to Intimidate if the character has taken a Social strike in this Situation.Because That Fish Controls the Weather!: There are many, many tribes out there in Oceania, but you know all their customs and what dumb questions you shouldn't say; they tend to appreciate this. +3 to social skills with any native Oceania leader.---Powers---Charge of the Light Brigade: Character gets a +4 bonus to combat stats when doing something incredibly foolhardy and unlikely to succeed in combat. Note: trait only activates if it's still foolhardy and unlikely to succeed after figuring in the bonus.Everybody Hold It!: +4 bonus to halting a fight already in progress via diplomacy/shouting really loudly. Preventing it from starting up again is, unfortunately, another roll.---Equipment---Heavy Sabre: +2 MeleeShotgun: +4 RangedSnazzy Outfit: +1 Prevent HarmThe Ahohako, Sloop: HIGH SEA ADVENTURES!---Ideals---Lead by example.Be ruthless but fair.Spare the women and children.---Goals---Zero: Obtain a crew and ship suitable for hardcore piratical enterprises.On-a-Roll: Acquire a great deal of booty, respect, power, prestige, notoriety and the other kind of booty. Hero: Become a Pirate Lord.
The Trolls>_____>Frozen with everyone else>They survived but are stuck in their hot springs area. If one were to be able to get to the Springs the trolls might help a good aligned party>Being tracked down by the Hunters>It is said that a young Arabian man was found wandering the frozen wastes and taken in by the trolls. Some claim it is Aladdin, others say the story is absurd. Either way, it is said the Caliphate would pay for more information>They may have an alliance with the Aurora Borealis or the Color of the Winds
>>36264247I like this, because it gives the character a range of actions and interpretations that are still seen in the original movie. May I add one?>Lord Weselton survived the deep freeze brought about after the events of Queen Elsa's coronation, but was unable to flee Arendelle as Hans had and was left trapped in the frozen wasteland. Luckily, Oaken and his family found the half-frozen nobleman on one of their exploratory expeditions and took him back to their hotspring-warmed compound where he still lives today, unable to return to his come country. Along with Ice Anna, Hans and Queen Elsa herself, Weselton is one of only four people who know what really happened to Arendelle, and this knowledge weighs on his heart and his conscience to this day.
>>36264326Physical Description:Strong of jaw, long of hair, and both tattooed and built heavily. Wears a white tunic, light brown trowsers, big black boots, a great red overcoat, all fancy, complete with very broad golden epaulettes, and upon his head rests a cheesily large black bicorne with a skull and crossbones with a stuck out tongue, which he intends to fly as his own flag someday because he's SSSOOOOOO original. Rundown:A genuine prince of a Polynesian tribe, his ambition far exceeded what he could find on his tiny little island. He knew that there was so much out there....so he snuck onto the ship of that band of pirates who often used his island as a place to hide from the law and spent his adolescence growing up among the wolves of the sea. Now a man, he's ready to make a name for himself; he's got the sword, the gun, the snazzy outfit, he's got a ship! Sure, it's only a sloop, and he doesn't even have a crew for it, but it's a start.Fun fact: his name amounts to 'manly thunder', and his sloop is 'the storm'.
>>36264335And I forgot Christof. He would be a fifth person who knows the truth.
>>36263915http://pastebin.com/UgWXnSC1Here, did my best.
>>36264379That'll do, anon. That'll do.
>>36264335I like this. Let's do this. I can't think of what to do with the other dignitaries quite yet, maybe we'll do nothing, but dang if I don't want to include the Spanish in somewhere.On the side I think there should be a Good, Bittersweet, and Bad way to defeat the villains or "beat" the game.Good should be classical disney ending. All the good guys are restored either by Walt Deus ex machina or some other disney magic.Bittersweet is we won but we've still lost a lot of our friends along the way. Elsa's bittersweet ending is a good example.I'm not edgy enough to right the bad one
>>36264379>http://pastebin.com/UgWXnSC1I love it. I completely lost it at "middle Yzmanager"
>>36264379You managed to show how hilariously horrible it is to live under Yzma's rule and how jaded her subjects are too it while still giving the story a really sweet ending. I loved the ever present "Yzm-isms," and hope that maybe Cava can use those new wings and find some nice delivery job or something somewhere before she gets too mutated.
>>36264379Now I feel all warm inside.
More rumor mill stuffAladdin>_____> Dead, but we all already assumed that. Probably froze to death at the end of the world.>Not dead, he actually made it back to the Cave of Wonders. His belief is that there is an item in the Cave of Wonders that will give him the power to defeat Jafar and restore the Caliphate to what it should be.>Wants to get into the Cave of Wonders but is unable to because the Cave only allows you to enter if you name a single item inside it, and then allows you to grab ONLY that one item. Aladdin is now attempting to find a record of any item in the cave of wonders that could be of use (maybe trying to get into the Beast's Library or in the hidden records of Atlantis)>Got changed into an animal by the Aurora Borealis and can now be found in one of the Beast Kingdoms
>>36264712I wanted to use a different pic for these rumors of Aladdin.>Is in Arendelle taken in by Oaken and his family>Was taken in by the trolls>Was actually found by Elsa, who miraculously spared his life. He is unable to escape her Ice Palace and provides Elsa with her only source of mirth and happiness when she's not in her mad depressed state by telling her all about his love of his life, Jasmine. >Found by the Rescuers
>>36264751>yfw Elsa has a thing for Aladdin>yfw Elsa, Aladdin and Jasmine 3-way
>>36264335>Found how to include the other Dignitaries. Along with Lord Weselton they were also found and rescued by either the trolls or Oaken. If rescued from Arendelle they could become important allies and contacts for the party in Europe. Unfortunately Hans has contracted the Hunters to kill them all in an effort to silence them. None must know the true story of Arendelle>>36264771...........not a drawfag but....someone....plz
>>36264771>>yfw Elsa has a thing for AladdinPoor Sverd, he didn't even stand a chance.
>>36264462I like your way if thinking, but I'm not sure about restoring fallen heroes, or at least all fallen heroes to life.>Walt, in that quaint little house in the orange grove serves his heroic guests ice cold lemonade as they look around at all the framed pictures of the legendary figures from history lining the walls of the old man's sunny drawing studio. A sketch of the brave thief Aladdin here, a black and white photograph of the original Atlantis Expedition there, a beautiful Chinese painting of Ping Mulan while we was still alive and but a young woman. Hundreds of pictures of heroes and heroines, many dead, many long dead in the pursuit of freedom.>"They're not really gone, you know.">Walt says, sitting down on the stool in front if his drafting table, the last glass of lemonade placed in its last waiting hand.>"Not entirely, I mean. I remember them all here, heroes and villains alike, just as you remember them. They may no longer be there with you, but so long as you remember them and honor their memories, they will always be a part of the story.">"Your story.">"And the story never really ends, does it. Not until happily every after, anyways."
>>36264751You've got Aladdin in a reverse 1001 Arabian Nights situation there with Elsa. Whether on purpose or by accident, bravo.
>>36264987See I consider this a GREAT bittersweet ending. I loved it. Great writing. Just I think that the rumor mill, as long with the endings should allow the DM to anyway they want. Some people are listed off as just dead. And that's no fun. If a DM wants to go that route then fine but I think most of us here are leaning bittersweet anyway. Let's just leave a door open for Good, because it fits the goal of "Disney-as-fuck">>36265031That was not intentional but now I love the idea.
>>36264751>taken in by ElsaThat's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. We should remove that one, it fucks up both stories.
>>36264828>yfw it's just a four-way
>>36265112I kinda like it just for fucking up both stories. It adds a hint of interconnectedness between stories, in a more unusual way - It provides a way for players to care about going to the Frozen North other than just to fuck around with Elsa. Now, they can hear rumors about this hero who's still alive up there and they have a reason to go there, or they are doing stuff in Agrabah and they find out Aladdin's still alive and they need his whatever. Or, if you're starting in Elsa's story, hearing about this street-rat who somehow survived for years with Elsa might bring your party to explore Agrabah in order to find out more information.It's a wonderful source of campaign-connecting plot hooks.
>>36265240Connecting totally unconnected plot lines is a fucking terrible idea, mate. Besides fucking with the spirit of Disney you've created a convoluted interwoven thing that should really stay only linked to plausible connections. It also goes against the character we've established for both characters.
>>36265299All the plot lines are already connected in a rather significant way. I mean we have ONE WORLD where ALL THE DISNEY resides. And trade and interact with each other. Europe has a ton of different plot lines all bumping into each other. In fact the ones that don't connect as easily are the ones that stand out. Like China and Mulan. But we got the Shadowlands and the Old west bumping into each other as well as the Radcliffe's virginia which has connections to Atlantis which has connections to Queen La which has connections to the Pride Lands which interacts with the Caliphate and so on.We've already written that the Taran, Arthur, and Merida could potentially be working together to create Uber BrytoniaAlso keep in mind that these are rumors. It would be up to the DM to include them or not. The current setup leaves alot open to the DM, and rightly so.Aladdin is more out there because well he was sent to a Frozen wasteland and there so happens to be a disney movie named FROZEN.
>>36265299It's just one of many possible rumors. It wouldn't be one of my choices were I to be running a campaign, but I doubt there's any harm in throwing it in if we're casting our rumor net wide.>Former Emperor Kuzco:>Remained a llama for the rest of his days, beyond which little else is known. However, some of the Sunless Empire's more aerially inclined subjects have reported finding an isolated mountain valley inhabited by an "empire" of suspiciously intelligent but childish llamas that do little but raise stone monuments to themselves and bicker with each other about proper imperial lineage and rights to the throne.
>All this rumor mill DEEP LOREMy brain can't handle.Also, are there any magic builds? I'm pretty happy with Antoine, but I'd like to give a few other roles a look over in terms of mechanics.
>>36265440> are there any magic builds?NOOO, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!
>>36265440There is one Anon who is working on a magic splat book, but as of right now we are focusing on testing and troubleshooting the base game before we deal with the havoc magic can cause. As long as you're polite and respectful about the topic you should be fine, but the Magic-Inclusion, Magic-Exclusion debates have raged hard in the last and are a sore spot for many posters.
>>36265412The point is that Elsa taking him in goes super duper against her character. To the point where it basically invalidates everything else we've written so far. The res of the stuff you wrote is pretty ok bit that one just is such a big 'fuck you' to the character of Elsa and DVV in general that it needs to go.And the people working together are doing so because it makes geographical sense and fits in with what we've made them out to be, this spectacularly does not.
>>36265112>>36265299>>36265478Gonna have to agree with this anon that having Elsa take Aladdin in is a really stupid point. It just doesn't work. Even saying the frozen wasteland he went to was Arrendelle and not Antarctica is pushing it.
>>36265478>>36265503I think feelings on the matter are pretty clear now so let's not harp on it. Speaking of which, wasn't there some sort of magic harp in a Disney short or cartoon? One that had the body of a woman carved into it and would play itself? Or am I remembing something else entirely?
>>36265468>>36265460Oh really? Yikes. But I agree, the base game is very easy to understand at its core, and I appreciate the system for it is currently. How about 'Nimble Guys'? Anyone mess around with those blokes much? I haven't seen many builds outside of the bowman or gunslinger.
>>36265588You can do a lot of nice stuff with them, considering that they cover any physical character more reliant on reflexes and coordination than strength.A duelist would be a great Nimble Character.
>>36265633I assume you mean gun duelist?I don't know, I thought it would be fun to see what sort of wacky ranged weapons people could get away with, like a boomerang or something.
>>36265633A duelist, a street rat, a cat burglar, there are a whole lot of things you can do with Nimble characters.
>>36265669Oh, now a boomerang would be interesting. Maybe a character with ties to the Huntsmen and australia with a boomerang and a big knife?
>>36265669No, an actual duelist. A swashbuckling gentleman, if you'd rather call it that way.Remember: Agility and Melee work together, just like ROBUSTNESS! and Ranged (even if for Thrown Weapons only).
>>36265703Oh, so you can use either Robustness + Melee OR Agility + Melee?
>>36265719Yes: the only melee weapon exclusively made for ROBUST! characters is the great sword.I mean: you can still use it with Agility, but you need high ROBUSTNESS! to avoid getting a penalty.
>>36265719Pretty much every Attribute + Skill combination is fine, as long as you can justify it.Agility + Academics is hard to justify, but Agility + Melee is easy.
>>36265751Hmm...maybe I should change up my stats a bit then, from 12/12 Robustness and 10/12 Agility to 12/12 Agility and 10/12 Robustness.That way I could throw in the Superior Speed trait and get that +2 to attack and defend against slower dudes.Plus, could I still use the GREAT SWORD with 10 Robustness?
>>36265778I know it's not Disney, but would Agility+Academics be someone like Indiana Jones?
>>36265793With no problems at all: a 10 in ROBUSTNESS! and you're already a very buff man.>>36265818Indiana Jones would have both high Agility and high Academics, yes, but he would still roll Intelligence + Academics most of the time.
>>36265778>Agility + AcademicsThe character isn't so much a hunter as a zoologist, and uses their high agility to get in close to measure the beast with a measuring tape, listen to its heart with a stethoscope, stick their head in its mouth, all before the creature can react.Or:The character is an adventure archeologist, traveling the world looking for artifacts both magical and mundane, using their high dexterity and quickness to speed through boobytraps and tricks.
I think Ursula's power over the oceans is a bit one-sided.What about Calypso? A war between her and Ursula could be interesting.
>>36265842>Activate massive boulder trap>"I roll intelligence.">*squish*I know you said most of the time, but I find this scenario increasingly funnier each time I imagine it.
>>36265440>>36265588Magic splat anon here, if you want a magic character you're welcome to help out.
>>36265859In this case you would dodge the boulder with Agility + Prevent Harm, but yes, the idea is fucking hilarious.
>>36265865Actually, the only splat/expansion I'm really looking forward to is the Toon one.
>>36265858It's not especially one-sided. The pirates fly overhead all the time and raid what ships do pay her tolls to sail (See: The EITC) and under Rourke's government the Atlanteans proceed to give exactly zero fucks about Ursula and send out their submarines anyways. There was some greentexts in the early threads that were basically Rourke using speakers on buoys to fuck with Ursula, I think.
>>36265865Speaking of, progress update on the magic splat so far:>Still waiting for somebody to add sub-roles to 1d4chan so I can see what the Wise Men/Shamans and Alchemists do>Possible magic item: Atlantean Crystal - can restore 1 strike per day on any target as long as the wearer is touching them, can allow communication with the Crystal Heart providing the user is in Atlantis and has her/its attention
>>36265902Well, in that case, where is Calypso in this setting? I think she could be a neutral party at best, and should at least own a portion of the waters.
>>36265882>>36265859The character may claim that they're a professor or an archeologist, but they don't actually hold any degrees in anything they claim to, being closer to a straight up adventurer than an academic. They are like the Discworld's Rindewind in a way, who is a wizard by title but a sprinter by skill and a hero by plain bad luck.
>>36265979And now you have a new character to play.
>>36263946Since two posters have already selected >Daily life in Yzma's Sunless EmpireAnd>Conversations between Cauldron-BornWhat would you folks like to see in a new piece of (slowly written) fluff?>"Atlantean Americana" >Clarisse the Beastling's childhood>Cruella and the Huntsmen have cocktails>ROBUST PUNCH FAIRY GETS SERIOUS>Ice Anna plays with her frozen "dolls">An Agrabahnian Street Rat's Big HeistOr, of course, your write-in requests which I can try to fulfill.
>>36266176>Cruella and the Huntsmen have cocktailsFund it!
>>36266192>>36266176Amen to that.
>>36263017>craning the necks and rolling the eyes of all below who behold its tackiness.This is just the best phrase ever.
>>36266192>>36266210>>36266236Alright then! I'll start writing now, though I warn you that I am currently at work and that it may take some time before I can post the finished story. I hope to write something that meets with your approval.
>>36266324Take your time, you handsome, handsome man.
>>36264751>>Found by the RescuersIt's the RATS now, m8.
>>36266420I thought they were still around? Man how crazy is all of mousedom in this campaign anyway.
>>36266464Some self reflection from Scar on his death? Interesting snippet, friend.
>>36266438There's a bit floating around here and there. There are 2 or 3 mouseworld fluffs in the catalog (What Lurks Below, Wine and Cheese, The Rescue And Truth Society)Basically, Ratigan from the Great Mouse Detective has this global Under-Empire/spy network thing, and is basically a glorified information broker.According to the Rumor Mill, he's opposed by the remnants of the Rescue Aid Society, who have renamed themselves the Rescue And Truth Society. This group is also spread throughout the world, though probably in much fewer numbers.
>>36266176I'd love to see Atlantean Americana. Maybe get some ideas of what kind of tech is coming out of there. Crystal-powered lightning guns? Crustacean-styled androids?
>>36266464A great juxtaposition against the same conversation Mufasa had with Simba, short and sweet.
>>36266569I've been meaning to write something like this for a while, but I've been going through studying for a bout of pre-thanksgiving exams. The good news is that my last one is today, so I might actually have some free time to get back to these threads and write it soon.Also, what the fuck. My captcha has no text. It's a picture of a wall and a blank sign.
>>36266592Thanks Anon, maybe I'll throw my hat in a well.
>>36266592Just in time for the fluff thread!(I love fluff threads.)
>>36265951I remember some fluff suggesting she is Ursula's captive, mainly her advisor on magic.
>>36266564RIP Basil, etc.
>>36266613Depends. It's really up to the GM.Sherlock Holmes came back, didn't he?
Kristoff Rumor Mill:>DEAD>Everyone's dead, Elsa.>One of Elsa's ice dolls.>People speak of the Frozen Guide. Whether he is a ghost or a frozen corpse that seems to walk on its own is uncertain, he is a tall, rugged blond young man who is always accompanied by a reindeer of a similar undead nature. He appears only to the lost in the mountains, and helps them find their way to safety, usually to the warm valley of the trolls. He can often be heard weeping for his lost true love, but never speaks, unless he hears someone ask about how Arendelle ended up in such a sorry state. Then he will tell them the terrible truth, for in life he was a character of the tragic story himself: Kristoff, the ice harvester who accompanied and fell in love with Princess Anna.>ALIVE>Kristoff says he's trying to pick up the pieces of his life and carry on his career as an ice harvester, but more often than not he spends his time helping people traverse the icy mountains. If the trip takes more than about four hours, he will inevitably tell the true tragic tale of how Arendelle ended up in such a sorry state, and his own role in it. Not a night goes by where does not shed at least a single tear for Anna; encountering Ice Anna will not make him feel any better, for the sight of a twisted mockery of his true love only hurts him more. In order to get his best ending, the true Anna must be restored to life.
>>36266592Good to see you back Atlantean! I'd listed it there because daily life in Atlantis is something I've been wanting to see, even if I had to write it myself. Maybe a little slice of Mahrikatohka's home life before she shipped off in the Bellerophon or met the rest of "Disney Team Alpha."Also, you received a ghost captcha, spooky.
>>36266628True, true.But I'm just about ready to post Antoine up on roll20 - I've modified his stats a little bit for the better, with more emphasis on Agility than Robustness. Are you still going to wait until more people come up with characters till you decide on one?
>>36266697I guess so. It looks like people really like to make Strong Guys so far, so I'm going to make my Charisma and my Nimbleness characters and see what else happens.One interesting thing I'm seeing: Beast characters are way more specialized than humans, so keep this in mind.
Make more Nimble, charismatic, smart and sensible guys.
>>36266780Hm, I'd rather play a human for fluff and character preferences.
>>36266697Hmm.It seems we'll be posting characters for future campaigns, which Nob will then choose from. Seems valid to me, that'll balance things out (and likely have hilarious character combinations.I just posted all of mine, and here's the linky for all you guys as well:https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/1357091/post-character-sheets-here-for-future-games#post-1358263
>>36267010Yep, I'm posting everything - trying to come up with a way to present some of the fluff we came up with last knight in the RUNDOWN section.I thought it would be funny to say that while he strongly dislikes the fae, he tolerates talking animals and other 'magical' beings because his wife had the tendency to start musical numbers with the local fauna - as any princess should.
As necessary and fun as the crunch can be, I love the fluff threads most.
>>36266610I haven't read all the fluff... is it on the OP's post?
>>36267303Most of the fluff is split between the fluff catalogue and the rumor mill google docs.
>>36267303It sure is, or at least a goodly amount of it.
>>36266654The Princely Alliance>Not all members of the Princely Alliance are bluebloods, such as Shang Li of China and Kristoff of Arendelle. But they are all noble of heart.>The human and god kings are aware af the Alliance, but dismiss it as only a minor threat.>After all, all the members are split up across the globe in small resistance cells, and all they do to help each other is exchange information about troop movements.
The Spring Sprite>Destroyed by the Firebird>Impossible t destroy the Spring Sprite is protected viciously by the Aurora Borealis. It is said that the Aurora will allow no harm to come to the Sprite and will impede any entering what used to be Canada with intentions to do so.>It is said that the Spring Sprite's powers are needed to fix the world, and her abilities are one of the few things that poses a threat to Chernobog, albeit small. Unspeakable and perverse delights are rumored to be the rewards for any that could permanently destroy her.Thoughts?
>>36267346>kristoff>princeHe's a commoner in DVV. And a depressed loner, if alive. No ring.
>>36267372On the Rumors Mill, he's whatever we want him to be.
>Or at least, that's what they want their enemies to think.>Prince Naveen and Princess of Tiana of Maldonia, who just barely escaped the Shadowman's grasp in New Orleans, provide financial assistance whenever it is practical and the money cannot be traced back to them.>Milo Thatch manipulates Rourke into skirmishing with the other kings by arranging 'archeological expeditions' into hotspots in other king's territories.>King Arthur Pendragon, Taran of Caer Dallben and Meridia of the Scots fight the good fight against the Horned King in Prydain. With Hen Wen, they are able to see the strategy of their enemy before he can even think of it himself.>In France, Prince Henry engages in intrigue in the courts to deal with the invaders from without and the Inquisition within, while Prince Phillip gathers strength of arms against the fae. There are even rumors of a prince made a horrible beast working in collusion with them.>Knowing what your enemy knows is an important asset and Grimhilde often lends use of her mirror, so Prince Florian's spies in the Mirror Kingdom oft benefit the entire Alliance.>A rogue wanders the world on an enchanted carpet; he is quite skilled at obtaining ancient treasures that may benefit the Alliance.>In the Carribean, Prince Eric always mysteriously has the most up to date naval maps.>A great warrior of Hellas claims he is a demigod....and that does not seem too outrageous given his incredible strength.>Once, a boy walked out of the Indian jungle covered in terrible wounds from a tiger. That boy is now the only man that can guide you through the Beast Kingdoms of India.>Likewise, there is a man who moves like an ape that can guide you through Queen La's lands.>And none can guide you across Arendelle but Kristoff.>Shang Li leads a great rebel army, but because they appears to be simple bandits, they are often ignored by Shan Yu. They have claimed what they needed to produce great deals of gunpowder.
>>36267372What part of>Not all members of the Princely Alliance are bluebloods, such as Shang Li of China and Kristoff of Arendelle. But they are all noble of heart.did you not read?
>>36262019Nazi Cauldronborn do exist.
>>36267449>and the PCs actually did nothing while the canon Disney heroes won a few years later anywayWAAAAAY too noblebright. Having all the Disney princes alive in jolly cooperation and eventually going to win anyway defeats the entire point of the setting and MASSIVELY downplays PC roles.
>>36267530Pick and choose which princes you want to live to your liking. Also, remember that they cannot communicate with each other QUICKLY, that they need many messengers to go between them, and that their enemies are so numerous and great men so few that there's no way that even they can succeed without the help of multiple parties of PCs. In fact, multiple parties of PCs may even be needed to assemble the alliance in the first place.Alternatively, view it as a big rumor mill for many different princes who don't talk to each other.
I could get behind the idea of a "Princely Alliance" as a banner for a commoners' revolution or composed of a very few remaining princes who ally the selves with the PC heroes, but don't think they ought to be a globe-spanning secret organization just waiting to strike. Even if, for instance, Mulan the Undying is the one to land the death blow on Shan Yu, she is in the throne room to do it because she, the PCs and the Spiritual Army worked hard to be there.
>>36267672They cannot really be 'waiting to strike'; they are too far apart geographically, and their enemies are too independent of each other. All they can really do is exchange information and things.....which I admit, can still get you pretty far.
>>36267449I'm afraid this is a bit optimistic, some of the princes are well-screwed just by the nature of the villains winning.Eric probably drowned since ramming a boat into Ursula didn't work, Phillip might still be in Maleficent's dungeons for all we know, etc.
>>36267449Christ Knightfag, what's it with you and making it easy mode for the players and making the villains look utterly bloody incompetent?
>>36267449That's not what this setting's about. There isn't the Big Alliance of Good Guys unless the PCs make one. It's Grimbright, that's the point. The world is shit and good is about to be completely and utterly destroyed, but there's still hope if the heroes have the courage to change things.
>>36267719I thought most of the princes were just straight up fucking DEAD.
>>36267756By all rights, they should be.
>>36267706I do really like the idea of fluffing and statting out NPC heroes though, like Mulan or Ice Anna, Milo Thatch, Kronk, Clarisse the Beast, the Rescue and Truth Society and the like to give the PCs allies and let them know that they're not the only lights out there in the darkness.
>>36267730This guy gets it.Grimbright, not noblebright.
>>36267730>>36267800Surely you mean Nobledark.
>>36267777>>36267800I think you may mean Noble Dark, but exactly. Any and all NPC heroes and allies like were mentioned would need to be found and brought together by the PCs' gumption and charisma.
>>36267730>>36267800>>36267836When it comes to the villains, its Grimbright.When it coems to the heroes, its Nobledark.
>>36267777I've got Mulan stats if anyone's interested.
>>36267932Well when you look at the villains of the setting, they're foul, self absorbed people who live in bright, fairy tale world (or what was one, anyway). Grimbright.When you look at the PCs, they're well intentioned people who live in a horrible, harsh world that fell long ago. Nobledark.
>>36267971But it's not a bright fairy tale world anymore: the villains won and the world is dark.It's just Nobledark.
>>36267942Welcome back! I think it would be a good idea to stat out NPC allies like you've done with Mulan, butthat its probably something than can wait till we're ready to undertake the task. I would like it if you could post her stats though, if you please.
>>36267942I'm interestedAdditionally a cooperation pact between the princes give evil characters/edgelords something to target in the game.Again, rumor mill. It just helps the DM tweak the setting to however grim or noble or bright or dark as they want it to be. No problem putting more options in there.
What is it with shitty fluff suggestions this thread?The Elsa/Aladdin thing, this 'fuck the PCs contribution' organization, what next? Where is the singing and writefaggotry?
>>36268147Sverd and the writefags aren't here yet. I think they have jobs or other shitty normalfag things
>>36268147There's no real reason to just insult people.Also, some of us aren't NEETs, and have employment, education, or training to be at during daylight hours.Although, Aladdin making it to Scandinavia somehow is a bit suspension-of-disbelief breaking.
>>36268164I know that I have a shitty job in at rift now that has kept me from writing about Cruella and the Huntsmen cocktail hour, but there are a few good pieces of writing in this thread, especially:>>36264379And I did complete the KLR for Empress Yzma and the Sunless Empire if you'd like to critique or change it:>>36262995
>>36268182But he was sent by Jafar to some frozen land at end of the world. This actually happened in the original movie.Aladdin being in Arendelle is the closest to Disney canon we've ever got in this setting.
>>36267010Uh, link appears to be broken, it redirects me to the homepage.
>>36268182I always figured he was sent to the Himalayas. There's no way he'd get back to Agrabah at the speed he did from Norway
>>36268228It's pretty obvious that was supposed to be far north Scandinavia or, far more likely, Antarctica. Not where civilization is or where Arrendelle is implied to be. (South Norway)
>>36268232You need to be part of the campaign to post in the thread first. Here;https://app.roll20.net/join/585117/yX0x1w
>>36268241Actually, the himilayahs makes MUCH more sense. I retract my previous statement, likelyhood of being in Scandinava is nigh-zero.
>>36268182>>36268228I much prefer Aladdin having been killed by Jafar when he first retrieved the lamp. Jafar managed to throw him back into the Cave of Wonders before Abu could snatch back the lamp or something.Of course, your own campaign is your own campaign.
>>36268241>>36268258>>36268290Yes, of course he was sent to the Himalaya and not Scandinavia, but that's still pretty close to canon: why would Jafar sending him to a frozen Arendelle be any more suspension breaking than Jafar sending him to the Himalaya?Actually, since Arendelle is farther away from Agrabah than the Himalaya, it would be a better move on Jafar's part.I don't care for Aladdin hanging around with Elsa, but I still don't see it as such an undrealistic idea.
>>36268384Because that would imply that Arrendelle was somehow already frozen WHILE Jafar was winning.
>>36268439You could just say that Chernobog's time fuckery was retroactive, but yeah, that's a good point.
>>36268281I'm getting a suspicious WEST start time again, what's the correct one?
>>36268439You know, that's a good point. I know hat all our Villains are victorious now in the present, but have we ever discussed in what order the dominoes toppled? Arendelle getting Frozen has to be one of the last, maybe five to ten years before the events of our campaigns.
>>362684817:00PM EST on Thursday.
>>36268487It's all instant. Shit gets weird if all the princes are aging 40 somethings and that's not DISNEYEvery villain and hero is the same age as in heir movie. No idea how the time stream works though.
>>36268494Ok. This time it was just an hour off. Thanks.
>>36268487Atlantis would have to have been brought to the surface roughly twenty years ago, give or take, to give time for Atlantean-Americans to be born and grow old enough to adventure.
>>36268541Sounds about right.
>>36268487>>36268541Idea: fuck the timestream, fuck logic, chernabog did it and it's DISNEY.Listen to this guy>>36268512. No one wants every villain to be an old, crusty Castro-tier idiot and every prince and princess as an agig 40 year old. That's super far from DISNEY
>>36268579Villains are immortal and I don't care about princes and princesses: bitches be dead, yo.
>>36268595We could pass it off as the protection of Walt making the heroes and villains unagig and shit. I like the idea of the PCs unintentionally earning immortality.
>>36268579Yea, but it's no fun if the villains have had no time to establish themselves. If there's no room for DEEPEST LORE and GRAND INTRIGUE inbetween when the rose and now.
>>36268579There are some defined things about the timeline, though.Chernabog won first because otherwise the heroes would win.Atlantis needs to have emerged from the ocean long enough ago to have allowed kids to grow up, but it doesn't matter because all the heroes and villains of Atlantis are ageless and immortal.Facilier won long enough ago to expand his shadowlands across the midwest, same with Alameda.Mulan has been fighting Shan Yu for at least a few years now.That's all I've got.
>>36268579I agree that we are going to have to play a bit fast and loose with the timeline here, but there are some bits of flavorful fluff that work a bit better if the Villains have been in charge for a while, like being able to have bright-eyed Atlantean American kids leaving home for the first time, or having Mulan the Undying haunt the Hun Dynasty for decades to centuries, or seeing all Yzma's craziest aspirations for Yzmopolis come true. I'm really not saying that you're wrong or that we shouldn't be aiming for Disney Ideals, but it's forth a little bit of thought.
>>36268620Okay, let's say some time's passed between the Big Thing That Caused Everything To Happen At Once. After all, Clarisse isn't a baby in the setting and she's Gaston and Belle's daughter, which means she must have had some time to grow up. As for everything happening at the same time, the most common explanation seems to be Chernabog fucking up the universe by sealing away friendship and love. Why he did this, we don't know. I personally think it's because Walt let him control them and he decided the universe wasn't worthy of their power.
>>36268731>she's Gaston and Belle's daughterBastard daughter whose real father is Beast. Sorry, forgot to mention.
>>36268731BECAUSE HE'S CHERNOBOG!
>>36268749Chernabog is Satan, and Satan was a fallen angel. I see no problems in having some aspects of Chernabog's history reflect that.
THE THIRTY-SECOND THREAD HAS BEEN ARCHIVED:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+VictoriousPlease remember to upvote it if you like it!
>>36268773Well, he's an ancient god of the night in truth.
Sverd here, back home from doing shit. Just looking at the last bit of the thread, can I say that I really like this idea: >>36268617The thought of Chernabog/Walt making all the heroes and villains unaging in any form solves so many timestream and age problems, and the thought of PCs earning a spot as immortal legends by defeating Chernabog and doing whatever they've set up their characters to do in their Happily Ever After by the grace of Walt afterwards is prime DISNEY AS FUCK.In other news, songs?
>>36268731Another problem with this 'Everything happens at once' idea is that it goes against some older fluff like HK building up a massive army over the years and then driving out King John later on.
>>36268797I like the idea of making heros/villains immortal, that frees up a lot of room to fluff and sets up some cool PC shit. Seconded
>>36268797As long as we're still able to decree all the heroes are dead and gone.
>>36268792Still, Walt did confirm IRL that he was Satan. Are we going to go against what the man himself said?>>36268812Well, not EVERYTHING happened at once. All the villains achieved their win conditions and then ended up in the same world and timeline. After that happened, Clarisse was born, the Horned King kicked John's sorry arse out of England, Louie worked out how to be a human, the Hunters got together, Yzma built her Sunless Empire, etc.>>36268829But we already decided most of the heroes were either dead or MIA. Nobledark, dude.Although villains being almost immortal, I'm okay with.
>>36268797Songs are always welcome and encouraged. There have been a few stories but no new songs.We need to have there be some sort of rough timeline just so that everything isn't happening all at once.
>>36268840Depending on the rumor mill. The heroes dying was a result of Chernabog coming to power in the first place, after all, so it's a valid reason for waving some of the 'PCs are immortal' stuff.>>36268852Well yeah, duh. I don't mean immortal as in 'totally unable to be killed', because they're clearly dead in a lot of rumours, just that they don't age. Maybe they could be functionally immortal after Chernabog is removed from power, Iunno. I just write songs.
>>36268797I'm almost in favor of it, but across-the-board immortality would have some problems. Mother Gothel would be useless, for example.
Mulan stats, in case anyone's interested;http://pastebin.com/PQncjc81
>>36268861The earliest event in the timeline should be the villains winning in their stories. Then they're all in the same world, and the stage is set for all the events we've made up to happen. Cue a few decades of empire building, and we arrive in our setting at present.
>>36268882Okay, let me clarify that - only the true heroes and villains of Disney are the immortal ones. Not everyone. The immortality bit was waived upon Chernabog coming to power over(?) Walt for whatever reason, so now they're just unaging. The PCs could earn a spot as true heroes and therefore become immortal by defeating Chernabog.If we're all okay with this, we should probably mention it somewhere on the 1d4chan page, maybe in a 'timeline' section.
>>36268923I'm okay with this. Now we just need to write an actual timeline
>>36268923I know it's just the big heroes and villains, but it's still problematic. If none of the big villains age, Gothel has no plot significance whatever. She can just sit in a tower being ageless forever, no reason to go after her.Still, if the group's in favor of it, the rule sticks.
>>36268970She's still old and ugly in appearance though because of her actual age, and needs Rapunzel's hair to be physically young. As well as trading it off for whatever she needs to the right people. There aren't any other issues that jump to mind with making villains/heroes unaging as far as I can remember.
I'm actually against the PCs, by and large, being immortal or somehow chosen by Walt to wage war against Cherry Bomb. To me it just feels as if it makes the characters' struggles fated or preordained, which makes their efforts feel to me less about personal choice and responsibility and more about being time what they must do.In even more against everything happening at once due to CB time-space fuckery, or that somehow all these Villains and their Lands were somehow jammed together into one world in an instant. I feel that it much more impactful and cohesive if the dominoes, like another Anon had said, toppled one by one in a natural progression.Maybe I'm wrong here, and I definitely respect everyone else's opinions, but those are my thoughts.
>>36268970I'd rather have the villains becoming immortal their own ways: Frollo turned himself into a lich, while some of the others are immortal thanks to Gothel, who's selling them eternal youth. Discovering this and taking down Gothel could be a terrible strikes against many villains.
>>36269007No one is arguing that the PCs are immortal or chosen by Walt. I'm actually arguing the exact opposite - by their actions, they would EARN a place as heroes.
>>36268923I like to think that Chernabog, if we play up the whole Satan angle, was a favoured servant of Walt before he fell. He may or may not have actually fought Walt, or maybe he just sealed away the powers of love and friendship. Either way, one of those things fucked up the timeline. Walt, being a sentimental old sod, can't bring himself to kill his favourite servant, so he's kind of waiting for the world to fix itself. Of course, if one of his other creations is able to persuade him that it's what has to be done, then he'll do it. That's why he currently has power over Walt, and also why the timeline's fucked up.
>>36269027They should be flat immortal to account for the fact that Rourke would be fucking dead and a ton of other villains would be senior citizens and shit. All of them should be immortal in some form, by the blessing of Walt or other means.
>>36269002So they stay the same age they were at no matter what, but Gothel can sell the physical youth? I suppose that's alright.>>36269027I do agree, if the main villains and heroes are all going to be immortal, they should at least have their own method of getting it rather than Chernobyl just making it so. Atlantean crystals, Yzma's potions, etc.
>>36269053>rourkeImmortality due to Atlantean crystals.
I vastly prefer everything happening at once and maybe 10-20 years have passed. Ageless is nice and Mother Gothel can sell her potions or wharves to npcs that don't have the same luxury. No 40 year old princesses plz.
>>36269027I really like this idea.>>36269053Rourke has got crystal, man.And yes, all the Villains should be immortal, but I like the idea of them getting htere through different means: some got immortality through their own efforts, while others are buying it from Gothel.
>>36269053Rourke wouldn't be dead, seeing as how he has an Atlantean longevity crystal around his neck, and how his movie's place in a potential timeline would be 20 +/- years before the present day.
>>36269053There are definitely ways that we could keep most of the villains alive.>Horned KingWhatever he is, he doesn't age.>YzmaMad science keeps her alive.>FacilierHis Friends are keeping him young.>HookThe hold of his ship contains waters retrieved from Neverland. Once a year, he bathes in them, and stays young.>HadesGods don't age.>JafarWorld's most powerful sorcerer, probably knows a few anti-aging spells>UrsulaSea witches don't age.>MaleficentThe Fae don't age.>Shan YuMaybe he buys potions from Gothel?>GrimhildeHas Gothel.In fact, the only issues are the Beast Kings.
>>36269079>>36269082What about Scar, Radcliffe, Elsa, etc - many villains don't have a determined method for being unaging when it's clear they need to be in some way. The PCs being able to become immortal is a really cool idea as well. We should at least have 'Immortality by the will of Walt' as an option for those who don't make their own.
>>36269116>ElsaGot me there.>The HuntersThey buy potions from Grimhilde.
>>36269114Everything you just said is glorious.
>>36269116You just have to get creative.In some cases, it'll have to depend on who they're allied with, for example Radcliffe can buy himself some crystals off of RourkeOthers like Scar you can say are sapping the spirit/life force of his very land, since it got grey and barren since he took over.
>>36269114But not all of them, and the villains shouldn't really age. Also, the surviving heroes shouldn't age either, and I still think the PCs should be able to gain that shit by being amazing in general. >>36269116Brought up a good point, we could just have that kind of immortality for those who don't have other methods.
>>36269116If we went with the "not everything happened at once" and "villains are not necessarily immortal" Scar and Elsa would not actually have to be. It was suggested earlier that the icing of Arendelle happened not long before the start of the games, so Elsa would probably be in her mid twenties by that logic.The Lion king doesn't take place at any particular time, so that could have happened whenever.Radcliffe though... I've got nothing.
>>36269116Elsa is immortal thanks to the preserving power of ice, while the Beast Kings. . .No idea.
>>36269147Hey, that would explain the never ending drought: he's using his Fisher King connection with the land to sapp the life force out of the it.
>>36269116The Will of Walt would be a good one for just heroes, his last touch of goodness in the world, though you have to prove yourself a hero to earn it.>>36269114>>36269173Howsabout Queen La is to blame? She tried an immortality spell to make her most powerful animal guards last forever, but it set off on a global scale so that the most powerful beasts world-round are ageless.
>>36269116>RadcliffeGovernor of Virginia is a hereditary title. The current Radcliffe is the fourth to bear that name, and the governorship. Alternatively, he's a close ally of Rourke, who has access to healing crystals. >ElsaWinter has no age. >Scar, Beast Kings in generallol no idea.
>>36269116Any person in power who is not magically immortal can simply have come to power later in the timeline. Nothing says that they all rose to power at the same time.The events of Frozen, for instance, could only have happened five years before "present day."
>>36269197Maybe he stole a crystal from the Atlantians, just like he stole THE GOLD from the native americans.
>>36269217Too soon, but okay, let's pol.
>>36269220He'd be unlikely to steal anything from Atlantis. They're an industrial society strung out along small islands, meaning that they have very few resources but a massive demand for them.Trade with Atlantis is growing his fortune far more than all THE GOLD the natives had ever could.
>>36269196Works for me.So what's the general opinion on there having been a big event that caused all the villains to appear in the same time, just after they won in their own movies? Assume the Disney universe had been going as normal until that point, then some big shit went down that not only dramatically altered the course of history, but caused some areas of the world to effectively time travel into the present. I blame Chernabob's shenanigans.
>>36269196We could also just do this, bullshit reasons on the couple of villains that don't have a magic method and say the heroes could gain immortality in some form.Elsa and any sorcerer-king is probably a bad example for being unaging since it's assumed that, as MAGICSHITS they can just stop their aging whenever, however, and assumedly to other people as well. We can safely assume that Sorcerer-Kings and anyone they chose to keep alive are unaging.
>>36269246He would just need to catch one careless atlantean-american and take his crustal, but yeah, trade is good: it would surely make the situation more complex if the atlanteans saw Radcliffe as an ally.
>>36269252I really, really don't think that the Villains should just appear into this world.
>>36269252Okay, allow me to rephrase that:After each film happened in its own version of the universe, they effectively "skipped" the next few years until the present in the main universe, where they all appeared at once in their respective countries.>>36269268Why do the heroes have to be immortal? I think that for the most part, the original Disney heroes shouldn't feature as major characters at all. They'd just steal the spotlight.
>>36269220Steal? All he did was redistribute the wealth that those greedy savages had hoarded like magpies for years!I really want to write his KLR where it turns out one of his Victories is that area actually being filled to the brim with metals of all kinds, but especially GOLD.
We need to make a new thread and have a serious discussion about this. Things are getting wacky and not necessarily a good kind of wacky.
>>36269287Because the thought of a 30+ year old Ryder or Phillip is weird, if the GM chooses to keep them alive.I can see where you're coming from, though. Looks like people just want for the villains to be immortal/unaging by whatever bullshit methods, but the question still remains on how we'd keep the Beast Kings alive.
>>36269301That's the spirit of progress!
>>36269324Don't care for jungle magic?>>36269196
>>36269281Well, they probably didn't JUST appear. There was probably an event that caused it. Besides, it makes more sense for all the villains without their own immortality methods surviving long enough for Grimhilde and Gothel to start selling immortality potions.>>36269324I like the suggestion somebody made about Queen La getting a spell fucked up and making all animals above a certain power level - in other words, all Beast Kings - unaging, immune to most diseases and a lot more durable.
>>36269324>Because the thought of a 30+ year old Ryder or Phillip is weird, if the GM chooses to keep them alive.Like I said, they shouldn't steal the spotlight. Making them past their primes is a good way to make them less powerful, thus balancing them against the players.
>>36269324Scar steal life force form the land, that's for sure.The others should have found their own way.Maybe Shere Khan and Kaa are keeping themselves alive by feeding on the life force of the animals they eat. They literally devour their souls to stay immortal.
>>36265588My character in the playtest was a street rat bow and pistol using Nimble Guy. I planned on him being really great in chases, but that didn't happen because we had combat monsters and relatively weak enemies, so there was not much to run from. I didn't know about Agility and Ranged, so I'd change him now. Here's a link:https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/1355846/post-your-character-sheets#post-1356337
So basically, for the villains:>Sorcerer-Kings: Fucking ridiculously powerful magic. All of them can probably keep themselves and anyone they want alive forever.>Human Kings: Case-by-case. Some of them have methods (Rourke), some of them (Slim) we have no fucking clue.>God-Kings: Well gee I wonder>Beast Kings: Case-by-case, stealing life force from the land? Seeping magic? Stealing souls?
>>36269374That'd be super dark, though.
>>36269358But not every villain necessarily NEEDS to be immortal. The only ones that need immortality would be the oldest ones. The events needed to put Elsa, the Beast Kings, the Hunters, Alameda Slim and so forth in power could have just happened recently in the chronology. Just because the DVV world is rotten doesn't had to mean it went rotten all at once.
>>36269403Oh geez, oh no, how will this setting survive this kind of darkness?>>36269397Slim is between Facilier and Radcliffe, which means that one of them has probably got him his immortality.Friends or crystals, is the only question.I'd say crystals.
>>36269412It does seem like it'd be a lot easier if we made all the villains come into the world at once. Gives the setting even more of a "things have gone horribly horribly wrong" vibe, and it saves us from having to come up with how the hell civilisation was able to advance when all the successful rulers throughout history were evil dictators, not to mention how they all stayed alive until Gothel started selling immortality potions or whatever.
>>36269432Either that, or both Radcliffe and Slim are trading with the Eurofags, since I don't see Rourke sharing his crystals with anyone. And when I say they're both trading, I mean Radcliffe is trading and Slim is raiding him and stealing his shit.
>>36269447Oh, and why most of Europe is still in the medieval period when America advanced to at least the early 20th century, and then further thanks to magitech.
>>36269477Rourke is an entrepreneur: keeping those two guys alive would be just the kind of savy strategical decision that he would take to consolidate his power even more.
>>36269447It may be easier, but it is necessarily better? I don't feel that we shouldn't try to make this a cohesive and "natural" setting because reconciling the timeline might take some hard thinking and creativity.
>>36269397Villain-by-villain determined methods of immortality:Sorcerer-Sultan Jafar of Agrabah>Incredibly powerful desert magic and powers. Unquestionably immortal, so is everyone else he wants.Maleficent the Faerie Queen>A fucking dragon. A magic dragon.Grimhilde the Fair Queen of the Mirror Kingdom>Magic gives her eternal life as long as she's fairest of them all.The Horned King of Prydain>A skeleton.Doctor Facilier of the Shadowlands>Deals with the Friends.Queen La of the Leopard Kingdom>Jungle magic and shit. All her court is probably still alive too.Elsa the Frozen Queen of Arendelle>Winter magic, doesn't age past probably 21. Uncertain of how well that'd apply to other people, but it can probably be done.Empress Yzma of the Sunless Empire>Fucking SCIENCE. Kronk is most certainly still alive and well too as a result of her mad science experiments, undoubtedly her and anyone she chooses is immortal.Pontifex Immortalis Frollo of the Grand Archdiocese>A skeleton.Tzekel-Kan of El Dorado>Gods keep him alive through sacrifice and prayer.Shan-Yu of the Hun Dynasty>Unknown, maybe fucking around with ancestor spiritsGovernor Radcliffe of Virginia>Not immortal. Has a dynasty of identical-looking children.Imperial President Lyle Tiberius Rourke of the Imperial Republic of Atlantis>Crystals keep him and everyone else he wants alive. Maybe trades them.Alameda Slim, Sheriff of the Old West>Who knows?McLeah, Clayton and Gaston of the Elite Global Huntsman Club>????? Crystals?Not even gonna bring up Gods. This should be obvious. Also, people can steal souls from Hades and stuff them back into bodies if they're determined enough.Scar, High King of the Pridelands>Something evil. Probably stealing souls or something>Unsure about every single other beast lord
>>36269512Just as well, while atlantis can function well for an empire of conclaves and coasts, but owning an inland empire would be a massive expenditure of resources, labour, and administrative power, things that Atlantis tends to have precious little of, save for ultra-tech and crystals.
>>36269522It wouldn't BE "natural" though, because nothing feels natural about a world that's a patchwork of different time periods unless it IS a patchwork of different time periods. Seriously, we have medieval Paris within a relatively short distance of ancient Greece. How is that natural by any definition?
>>36269477>Slim>Raiding Virginia>With the entirety of the Shadowlands in the way
>>36269494One though was that, since Europe has some of the oldest Villains, they would want to keep things nice and simple within their domains, cherry picking the innovations they supported and the ones they outlawed. Thisenjnnivstedsnand inventors are the ones who went out and colonized the Americas and Australia, causing the technological disparity we see.
>>36269556True. I haven't looked at the map in a while.
I'm in favor of either everything coming into the world at once, or Arrendelle being EXTREMELY recent (As in, within a year, tops), because otherwise Sver'd background ceases to make sense because he'd be fucking fifteen or something when leaving Arrendelle.
>>36269546But he would only need to give them the crystals and then tell them that he can turn them off whenever he wants.This way he gets two powerful allies and trade partners without having to expend any important resource.
>>36269570That map is fucking daunting.
>>36269550I know some contrivances would need to be made, that's for sure, which is why it might feel "natural" rather than actually being natural. Maybe I'm letting my own personal feelings cloud my understanding of this matter, but we can all say that opinions are strong here I guess.
>>36269623I personally feel the world would feel like it made more sense if we actually had a reason why every area's in a different time period, but that might just be me.
>>36269593Ah, but there's also the fact that Radcliffe and Rourke would likely dislike each other as they both are intensely nationalistic for different reasons. While Rourke manifests patriorism and jingoism, Radcliffe manifests pride, greed, and xenophobia. They're quite at odds for other reasons as well. While Atlantis works with small, highly skilled, technologically masterful groups, Virginia likely uses large militias and irregular forces, probably in a mixture of mass-action and terrain-based geurilla warfare.While Virginia uses massive amounts of resources and metals, Atlantis bases itself around superior tech. Really, for how similar they seem at first glance, they're quite different.
>>36269710They don't need to be similar, they just need to trade with each other. They would be partners, not part of the same nation.
>>36269682We could try to figure out a reason that feels right, but I think I may stop debating now, as I really don't want to step on any more toes or irritate anyone. I've really been glad to work with you all on this project and don't want to cause unnecessary tension.Also: new thread?
>>36265858I like it. The conflict would make things interesting if players were trapped in the middle.
>>36269786New thread. Threadstarter?Also, if not debating, we should certainly think of a reason. I personally think we should straight away outlaw history just progressing as normal as a reason, because otherwise this scenario makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. As has been mentioned, Ancient Greece ruled by an evil god and medieval Paris ruled by a xenophobic religious fanatic, and for some reason neither conquered the other or advanced at all?
>>36269862Yeah, there should have been time fuckery at work here, it's just that it all happened twenty years ago and now some things are moving.
>>36269862Also known as 'NO ROOM IN THE OP EDITION'>>36269958
>>36269921Exactly. 20 years ago, shit went down and Chernabog altered history then caused a time skip in certain parts of the world, so they all appeared in the present at the same time. Now, after 20 years in the calendar of A(?) (After [first letter of whatever we're calling our big world-changing event]), the world has been rebuilt, but it is horribly flawed, and if not fixed soon, it may remain that way forever.
>>36268330But that means that he and Jasmine only met once, which takes away from the story. I would rather Aladdin be banished, imprisoned, or killed by Jafar when he gains his sorcerer powers. Also, if he's imprisoned, I'd like the idea of him being locked away in stasis or something and used as leverage to control Jasmine.>>36269142 Elsa has such complete control over ice that she actually has internally cryogenically frozen herself, but willed the ice to keep acting as a body would.
>>36267367It's also possible that the Spring Sprite isn't dead, but instead so dispersed that the Aurora can't find her again. This could add for a mission where the players find her ashes, while trying to keep the Firegird from waking up.
Ok, gonna try my hand at some writefaggotry to detail the Republic a bit. I've not done this on /tg/ before, so please be gentle.-------------------------------My dearest Sylvia, I suppose I've put this off for long enough, Thomas had always told me that I should do something in lieu of a funeral, or, whatever event would be proper for this separation. It's been five years since I last held you and little Jackie in my arms. Five years since that damned expedition went beneath the atlantic waves, never knowing they'd not see the shores of home again. We all knew there was a risk that we wouldn't come back. After all, the technology was unreliable and any employer hiring as many mercs as Whitmore did was expecting trouble. Still, we thought it worth a good trade with how much he promised. I know I promised you that the risks were minimal, but you were right, god you were right. It was bad enough after the sub went down after being attacked by that monster... Leviathan I think Thatch called it. The expedition I promised you was safe claimed all but a few dozen of the 200-strong crew. Despite our misgivings about Rourke (and we all had them, even way before he started styling himself "Imperial President"), I can't say there was a man among us who didn't find themselves moved by his words after we'd lost so much. The journey we took to make it to the city claimed even more of us, not only to the volatile geography, but also to strange creatures and other obstacles that littered the way. Most gave up on any idea of being able to get back home. We took things a step at a time, moving forward only thanks to Rourke holding us together, and having no other way to go. The force that made it to Atlantis was tired, angry, and desperate for anything that would make it all worth while, something to justify the sacrifice. We were desperate, and while that doesn't make what happened next right, I just hope you understand.[cont.]