Welcome to the XXXI installment of "Disney Villains Victorious."Disney Villains Victorious is a new /tg/ homebrew project based on the idea of a world, not entirely unlike our own, in which all the villains from all the Disney animated feature films were not defeated at the ends of their movies but were instead victorious, completing their goals in part or in whole.It is a world in which Ursula rules the seas, defied only by the uncatchable Pirate Lords, the cutthroat merchants of the East India Trading Company and the might of Atlantis and its magitech-toting mercenaries. It is a world where the grasslands and jungles and forests are prowled not only by fearsome primal beasts like Shere Kahn and Scar but also by the ruthless, tireless hunters that stalk them. It is a world where Europe has been divvied up between evil sorcerous monarchs like Maleficent, the Horned King, Grimhilde and Jafar, mad, inquisitorial clergymen like Frollo, and Dark Gods like Hades and Chernobog.It is not, however, a world completely devoid of courage, heroism or hope. Around the world, the PCs' characters and their allies plot and plan, fight and strive and win their own victories against the villains that would rule them. The time to fight and to be free is now.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+Victorioushttp://1d4chan.org/wiki/Disney_Villains_VictoriousAssembled pastebins:King/Land/Rule: http://pastebin.com/Z8wFJrhhBeast Species: http://pastebin.com/6YzhDaPiSetting Traits: http://pastebin.com/8RRbwMQTTRAITS: http://pastebin.com/uHCXg4EVPOWERS:http://pastebin.com/pQDDqisUGeneric Traits: http://pastebin.com/MZwvGsyXFluff Catalogue: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qj_IIuF_rqh_F2L-SeYn-dBiwDTtwWFpnbcXyfcgeE8/editSong Catalogue: (google doc) 1oQniqbLaTCF7V19fnXP0_zUW7GFr3ESziGM6U5mEcC0/editRumour Mill: (google doc) 17CzFrAblibwD__7sEYorqXSz4ILYVp1O4tcQ-mGyYiI/edit?usp=sharingFirst Playtest: http://pastebin.com/Vy1E0sHB
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>>36244501So now that the dust has settled, I think we can all agree that Imperial Atlantis are the good guys of the setting.
>>36244605The good guys of the setting are the underdogs and the heroes, I don't think any Kings qualify as goodRourke is Neutral are bestElsa might be good, but she's despairing in Arrendelle and she's neutral until it stops
Sorry to mention this early in the new thread, but I'm making an IRC room for discussing how a magic expansion would work. We'll work on it alongside the main project, and aside from periodically mentioning it, we won't bother any of you with it. From this point on, anyone trying to start arguments about magic PCs should join the IRC or stop being a faggot. Feel free to take a look if you're curious about what we may be doing, even if you don't want magic. We're working on it before the system's finished so it can be integrated more easily. Otherwise, it might not mesh as well. Room is #DVVmagic on the suptg server. Google how to use IRC, because replies to this post will not be responded to for fear of starting a flame war.
These threads need more Gaston.
>>36244694We had a lot of him a couple of threads ago when we discussed his daughter.
>>36244686Well, that's surprisingly civil. That sounds good.When we are done with the core game and start working on the expansions we can, maybe, put our differences aside and work together
>>36244605They might not be the "Good Guys" of the setting, per say, as they are still lead by Imperial President Rourke and are militaristic and mercenary by nature, but they are far from a malicious people, and have a lot of good guys among them, including the members of the original Atlantean Expedition as stabilizing members of Rourke's core government and Kidagakrystal acting as a positive influence over all her people, old and new.They might not be the "Good Guys," but they are the guys poised to do the most potential good in the setting if the player characters can help them see the electric blue light.
>>36244724That's the general idea. Shame nobody's joined the room yet. Only 5 people in the thread, though.
>>36244753give it a while, it's a slow time. Most people come in later on
>>36244501Pastebin with sample charactershttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1m8XSm73Ea4ECdDdP9V4IVJCEBji6HPw43LRPyUCDmx4/edit?usp=sharing
I'd like to start this off with a rewrite of the Horned King's KLR:King: Horned King - Ruthless, truly evil, cruel, cunning, abusive, murderous, insane, dark, power-hungry, misanthropic, hegemonic, megalomaniacal and terrifying. Those are the words that describe the Horned King, ruler of Prydain. Victorious, he sits on his thrown, savoring the suffering of his subjects. He takes from the Prydani not for the sake of him having, but for the sake of them NOT having. By pillage and murder, he has not only hoarded to himself all the weapons, works of art, lore, music and technology of Prydain, but all knowledge of them and the secrets of their making as well. His both a mighty warrior and a notable sorcerer, though he prefers to let his minions do all the heavy lifting.
>>36244786May I ask what was wrong with my original write-up?
>>36244786Land: Prydain - thin sickly green haze covers the lands of the Horned King. This emanates from the Black Cauldron, and reanimates anything that dies on the soil as one of the skeletal Cauldron Born. The Cauldron Born feel no pain or fear or mercy, do not need water or food or sleep, and they never question orders because they possess no soul or memory of who they were in life. If 'killed', they will eventually resurrect; an invading army will have to be wary that their dead will only increase the number of foes they must face, and that without Dyrnwyn, those Cauldron Born they have slain will resurrect, slowly encircling them. The mist itself saps the will, dulls the soul and slows healing, causing will points and strikes to be regained at half their natural rates. Empty cairns, dug-up graves and excavation pits dot the landscape, making for something of a trip hazard. Perhaps more importantly, new gravedigging operations are widespread and the living humans of Prydain are terrified of their overlord. Cauldron Born gravediggers will alert their master of the presence of adventurers, and Prydani do not make for trusty secret-keepers without true hope. They will likely find a way to inform the Horned King or Madam Mim of the adventurers' presence. Another thing one will notice is that not only is there hardly anything beautiful to be found in Prydain; but the people have access to little craft: the smiths, hideworkers, carpenters and masons are kept tightly under the Horned King's thumb, and he allows no other crafts to exist. The farmers themselves possess barely enough agricultural technology to feed all the hungry mouths.
>>36244724>>36244686Thank you for your trouble, and your work to keep everyone happy and the ball rolling.
>>36244798Not much, it just neglected to mention how the Horned King deprives his people of craft, technology, lore, music and art.>>36244819Rule: The Horned King's reaction to the players will depend on a number of factors. If they appear to bear nothing of value and be no threat, he will not waste his time with them. If they bring with them anything of great power or value, especially rare or one of a kind items, he will send a dozen Gwythaints to acquire it; those who come bearing technology or knowledge are often 'acquired' themselves. If they have felled so much as a single king or otherwise appear a threat (for instance, by carrying Dyrnwyn or Excalibur), he will likely throw everything he has at them: great armies of Cauldron Born, Mad Madam Mim, human servants seeking his favour, and huge flights of Gwythaints.
>>36244694>>36244719Like this Anon says, there was a good deal of Gaston several threads back while we were discussion the possibility of Belle giving birth to a bastard daughter of the Beast, which resulted in the girl:1. Being kept in the cellar as a family secret from Belle and the world as she bore Gaston's sons and have him the family he wants. She is still there and starved for love and attention.Or2. Being raised (presumably) by the surviving enchanted objects in the ruins of the Beast's castle and who's difficult birth was the cause of Belle's later inability to bear Gaston children.
>>36244965The "she" bearing Gaston's sons in option one still being Belle, not the beastling incase that was unclear.
>>36244686Keep in mind, it won't be going in the core game. It doesn't jive well enough with the already established rules and is likely going to need a LOT of playtesting to be balanced, so sticking with the expansion route would be best.A reminder that the second playtest of DVV happens at 4:30PM EST today, or in four hours and twenty minutes! Feel free to attend.
>>36245075Of course not. Keeping it as an expansion is the entire point of doing it outside the threads. That and keeping out of the way of any of our more aggressive magic-haters. And I intend to spend as much time as I can looking for a way to mesh it with our current rules as well as possible.
>>36244965Also, I think it was decided that part of her personality was a desire for love due to wanting to cure herself of her curse. She isn't actually cursed, Beast's genes were just altered while he was so his kid ended up being like him permanently.
>>36245125Right. Clarisse, as someone named her, might naturally be starved for affection in either of the two scenarios, and may learn of the curse her father was afflicted by either through old storybooks she'd been given down in that basement cell, or by the enchanted objects that helped raise her. It wouldn't be a great leap of the imagination for her to believe that she'd been struck by the same curse, and is somewhat desperately and hopelessly looking for a cure as she's chased hither and yon by hunters or the Inquisition.I really liked the idea of her not actually being cursed, but just beastly by nature, because it presents the PCs with the chance to either help her understand an important life lesson about accepting who you are outside and in, or be forced to deal with a rampaging beast in the throws of a crushing disappointment.
How come there are apparently 56 people in the old thread? I don't get this new system for counting posters.
>>36245389Total individual posters. People flooded in after the wizards left.
It means that 56 separate people have posted in that thread as of the time that you saw that number. Compared to here where only nine people have posted in the thread (Though it'll be 10 now, as this is my first post in the thread)
>>36245389It counts the number of individual people who have posted in the thread.
>>36244781I'm going to have to use this format to rework some example characters I was working on too. The last few times I've messed them up when it came to distributing skill points.
>>36245925Ten skill points to distribute at start; every character gets one skill rank at least automatically due to their class, and some beast species get a rank in a skill.Skills start at 3, and move up one at a time; 3-4-5-6 is as far as you can get at character creation.
>>36244781Only problem I see with the character sheet is it has nowhere to mark Strikes and doesn't list Will points. Fixed now.
>>36245955I might be able to make it to your game. Are you needing new characters?
>>36245955Thanks for explaining that Nob. This has been a while ago when things were in flux, so I had used outdated information and hasn't been aware that the skis started at three.
>>36245997New would be good. I'm trying to get as many new people as possible, but I need some people from the previous playtest too so feel free to come.Join link is here: https://app.roll20.net/join/587700/IqsB8gStarts at 4:30 EST>>36246003They started at one and gave an extra +2 at that rank, but eventually we voted that down. I still think it's a bit confusing, but whatever, it works fine.
>>36246023I'd love to join in myself but I'll still be at work as of 4:30. Would you be bothered if I were to spectate a little later on?
>>36246023You have my fists. Lazarus will join you on this quest
>>36246118Anyone is free to spectate at any time. I'll be putting up the full transcript later, though. May edit it a bit to remove the dice-spreading that the last one suffered from.
>>36246023If I get home a little early and you don't have anyone from the last playtest in I could join, but otherwise I'm observing.Posting from phone where I keep the thread up once in a while to check in.
>>36246023I'm going to be busy, but you better believe I'm reading the script afterwards.
I'm going to see if I can actually take part in today's game, I'm just not all too sure depending on how things happen around here, but I'll certainly tryLast session was around four hours long, right?
>>36246613Yep. This one should be a little shorter, hopefully.I calculated the time so that britbongs and continentals can make it without being late for work tomorrow.
>>36246689Hopefully us huelanders won't have problems either
>>36244605>>36244683>>36244749Perhaps they have the most potential and power, but conversely they have the most responsibility. Responsibilities they'll likely shirk.The Atlantean emperor thought he could use the crystals power for good too, as a weapon to bring his empire and civilization to the world, and look where it brought Atlantis the first time.I have no doubt that with Rourke and the crews greed and ambition at the head of this, very little stands in the way of them repeating history.Don't forget the Crystal is sentient and demands a host of royal blood. What's going to happen when it finds out the royal line has been killed off?
>>36246613>>36246689>>36246765You guys are running games already?Where do you run them, how can I become a part of this?
>>36244749>and have a lot of good guys among them, including the members of the original Atlantean Expedition as stabilizing members of Rourke's coreDidn't like, all of them essentially agree to mass genocide for money? Even the 6 original crew from the movie would've killed them all off were it not for Milo convincing them elsewise.
>>36246811The join link is here:>>36246023Feel free to join if you can make it.
>>36246869I need to make a build first, and then have it checked. I also won't make 4:30 est. Was hoping to lurk and watch.
>>36246784Does "royal blood" need to mean a King of Atlantis?>Arthur gives up the throne of England to Taran, and proceeds to become the host of the Crystal
>>36246784>Don't forget the Crystal is sentient and demands a host of royal blood. What's going to happen when it finds out the royal line has been killed off?In this setting, by the time Rourke and his mercenaries had taken Atlantis and its Heart, Kidagakash was already united with the Crystal, and the two have become one. Kida is the Heart and the Heart is Kida, and while she does power almost the entirety of Atlantis' military might, she also visits her people in their dreams, whispers in their ears and helps protect them through the crystals they wear.
>>36246974What's her opinion on Rourke's men and Rourke himself? Does she influence him? Does he resist her influence, since he thinks it's just his own guilty conscience? Does Rourke even feel guilty? Behind all the press releases and the inspiring speeches, what's Rourke like nowadays? After all, he got his win condition, so what does he want now?
>>36246847They did all join the expedition for money, but none of them expected that the expedition would involve dooming a culture to extinction. Though it did take Milo's courage in speaking out against Rourke to inspire the group to fight back, they were all uncomfortable with what they were doing, and there's nothing to say that they don't still carry misgivings about what they'd done in our setting. Though they, and even Milo went along with Rourke's plans for Atlantis due to the nature of the DVV world, they've all got consciences down there somewhere, and I feel would still temper Rourke's megalomania somewhat.
>>36246974Ah I wasn't aware. The movie stated that the Crystal fed off the collective emotions of all Atlanteans (dead or alive) and had formed a consciousness of its own. To me it seemed implied when it absorbed the kings of the past, or Kida's mother, it absorbed their individuality into its own consciousness as well. To Kida retain her individuality, even control over the crystal, would put her in quite the position of power to enact real change.>>36247023Perhaps then with Kida (or the Crystal) could influence Rourke and his crew to think for the better of Atlantis, to not repeat the same mistake. She might even be doing it right now.But then again, the converse is also true, the Crystal feeds on and is influenced by the emotions of her people.And if the peoples hearts are corrupt, so too might become the crystal.Who knows really, it's all so very interesting.
>>36247112>hough they, and even Milo went along with Rourke's plans for Atlantis due to the nature of the DVV world, they've all got consciences down there somewhere, and I feel would still temper Rourke's megalomania somewhat.Milo went along with them eh? How did the whole atlantean story go down in this setting?Sorry if this is in the pastebin somewhere, I just want to learn as much about the setting as I can.
>>36247181Ironically, I think this is one of those BIG SETTING EVENTS that was never properly written down.Roarke talked down Milo and the gang, took the crystal topside and WW1 had started, if i recall properly. He decided to form his own united states and pacify the world, allying with the Virginia Colony.
>>36247118That's been considered one of the essential differences between the Imperial Republic of Atlantis and most of the other nations in the DVV world: despite Rourke declaring himself Imperial President and setting up his own government, Princess Kidagakash, the true and rightful ruler of Atlantis and now its Crystal Heart was never defeated as the rulers of other nations were, and still has a very real and very positive affect on her people.
>>36247233What happened to the original atlanteans down there? Did they all die?>He decided to form his own united states and pacify the world, allying with the Virginia ColonyI see. To me he felt more like the type who'd rather sell's power like a big power plant and make a lot of money, but this is even more interesting (maybe Kida's doing).I heard a while ago that Chernobog messed up the timeline, so you have the East Indies company alongside Rourke and his WW1 Mercenaries. That change in politics also likely made him reconsider just selling it off.
>>36246023>>36245075I'll be there. Is it Wild West or France? Because if it's France, I'll wait to see what everyone else is playing and come up with a new character last minute.
>>36247422France. You're dealing with a three-way clusterfuck of inquisitors, fae, and the Mirror Kingdom.
>>36247233I think you're right, as the concept of Atlantis going topside with their hybrid Crystal/WWI fantasy technology was one of the very first things fleshed out in the earliest threads.>>36247181Essentially, the movie plays as it was animated, but with the rest of the DVV world existing there as a backdrop for the action. Instead of simply taking Kidagakrystal up to the surface to sell her off the the highest bidder, Rourke has the foresight to realize that a whole and hale Atlantis, with its golems and shields and their subs and airships and the Heart intact was worth SO much more than what any one Villain could ever give him. Milo and the other original Expedition members who had misgivings were convinced that Rourke was right, and working together they managed to raise Atlantis to the surface and establish the Imperial Republic of Atlantis as a modern, independent nation and safe haven for refugees from around the world.
>>36247453Is there anything better than a good ol' clusterfuck?Protip: no
movie rourke is in his own words "an adventure capitalist". he's a merc only interested in moneyDVV rourke had an epiphany and decides to bring order and civilization to the world by any meansit's like the difference between pic related vs movie quaritch
>>36247338One of the original thematic selling points of the Imperial Republic is that its culture can be described as "Atlantean Americana," where Expedition members and refugees have mixed and married with the original Atlantean population to produce a rather diverse population.For instance, one character that's done up in a lot of fluff is a mechanic girl named Mahrikatohka "Mary" Smith, the daughter of an original Expedition motorpool driver and an Atlantean woman.
>>36247508Japan is probably going to be the setting for the next playtest.EITC v Pirates v Huns v Spirits.
>>36247233Nob, can you get a fresh K/L/R pastebin to include the Scar one I made last night?http://pastebin.com/VZb1MfY3Also I don't see the Captain Hook one I did way earlier, though I still have to refine that one.
>>36247608I'll see what I can do when the playtest is done, as it stands i'm frantically revising to make sure people don't die horribly after last night's changes.
>>36247623Stop being a crybaby and use lackeys.
>>36247623I think we'll be fine. Also, if you do make a new KLR bin,>>36244786>>36244819>>36244839Off to see the Black Cauldron now.
>>36244786>>36244819>>36244839>>36244798It's all right, guys. We can combine them. (I will, even if nobody else does.)
>>36247696Lackeys are markedly more powerful than they were when I plotted the adventure. I don't think the starting party is going to be able to beat 6 lackeys at once, do you?
>>36247717Bunch of pussies, expecting to survive a Disney adventure.
>>36247696man, you're really persistent. he must have slighted you good.
>>36247623Thanks, no rush.
>>36247713>CombineEh, mine basically his reworded and with some stuff tacked on.
>>36247717Well, I guess that means that I'll end up giving my Smart Guy a crossbow after all. Gotta help a bit in order to not die
>>36247717Depends on how big the party is. Point taken, though.
>>36247842Way I see it, Lackeys are basically the enemy equivalent of the Combat Monster, with a Prevent Harm bonus of +15(coming out to Defense 25) and an attack roll bonus of +16. This is roughly the equivalent of Sverd when he's not using any of his Powers, so more than one should only be used if there's more than one combat monster in a party, because on average they'll strike twice on a player character before being defeated due to having 2 strikes.
Where'd all the wizards from last thread go? Dammit, I finally do something to accommodate them and get started on optional magic out of everyone else's way, and then they disappear.
>>36247906It sounds like one single Lackey should be the leader of a big group of weaker enemies, not like encounters should be made of several Lackeys, right?
>>36247608Don't forget the others!>Chernabog>The Snow Queen>The Firebird>The Blue Fairy>Jack the Monkey
>>36247943It still might be early for them yet. The rest of us in the thread though appreciate your efforts.
>>36247943they were only here to ruin the balance arguments bia shitposting and get upset because namefags were actually contributing and wanted an easy target to attack. im sure you want actual magic, and I appreciate that but most of the supporters last thread were trolls, so it's all up to you.
>>36247955Yeah, that's the idea. But they're not going to be leading groups of five mooks because in that case you'd be prompted to have multiple squads of lackey+mooks, and more than one lackey is going to be absolutely butt-fucking terrifying. I think seven mooks to a lackey is a fair comparison for a group of 3 players, 9 for 4, and 11 for 5.
>>36247988Still, getting started would be nice. I mean, I have ideas, but until others get here, I can't get them judged. Unless you guys wouldn't mind hearing about them, but then the Inquisition might come and get here.The IRC room's still open, if you don't want to discuss it in the thread.
>>36248026I'm catching up with the rules and mooks seem to be really weak. One lackey and 10 mooks should be a challengind encounter for a normal group of 4 pcs.
>>36244686I may not be the best person to talk about such things, not really having paid attention to the mechanics being thrown about, though I HAVE seen people arguing about if magic should or shouldn't be in.A question I had was...why not just let magic be fluff for a power/trait/whatever? Pulling up the Traits pastebin...'Trusssst in Me' could easily be fluffed as magical influency spells, 'Bamboo Technology' could be conjuring instead of making stuff out of junk, 'Are You Scared' gets you their fear via magic instead of reading them, 'Achilles' Heel' does similar (or maybe makes such a weakness?), etc.
>>36248095Mooks are supposed to be weak. But, due to how we've changed weapon skills, they should score a Strike on the average PC (assuming stat is 9 in either robustness or agility and they are wearing medium armor) roughly 40% of the time, so ten of them is going to make life very, very difficult and someone dead if the PCs go below 50% accuracy on them. It doesn't help that a Lackey in this case hits the average PC ~70% of the time and is incredibly difficult to hit (sub 30%) for a non combat monster character, and four characters can only get out 8 strikes a turn if they hit every attack. After people have some Lessons, they'd be able to take it sure, but starting characters would get mulched. An encounter with mooks should have some possibility of failure but is basically a formality -- the PCs, barring improbably bad luck, are likely to come out intact. As it stands, an encounter of 10 mooks + 1 lackey would kill ~1.3 PCs on average.
>>36248103That's exactly what I thought magic should be. Powers and traits that could be explained as magic, but could also be explained as technology or spirits or just luck. A while back, somebody suggested a spell that gave one enemy a -5 to hit. This could be a magical flare of light in front of their eyes, or it could be a flashbang grenade, or it could just be the sun reflecting off of something and temporarily blinding them. Although most of the way magic would work would be via items. A magic item would have a certain number of "charges" of a spell per day. For example, Atlantean crystals allowing limited healing and contact to the Crystal Heart, and the Serpent Staff used by Jafar giving hypnotism. I was also thinking of crunching up some Alchemy, and possibly the results. I'm seeing creating firebombs as a fairly balanced way for blasty characters to exist, since that way they could contribute to the whole party by letting them do the blasting instead. Alchemists spent too long studying and being exposed to toxic fumes to learn to throw shit, they'd just blow themselves up.
>>36248206-5 is too much. People agreed on -2 or -3, IIRC, which is the equivalent of -1d6. -5 is nearly -2d6.We already have creating firebombs as a Smart Guy power, you may want to check it out and balance it against that. In fact, one of the Smart Guy's design archetypes is Alchemist/Chemist, with the others being Mechanic and Professor.Magic items with charges has my approval if they're hard to get and mostly in the possession of Inner Circles and up. Stealing them would be a good plot mechanic.
>>36248250-3 works. And where the hell are these design archetypes everyone keeps talking about?
>>36248282Didn't we....?Oh fuck, we never wrote them down, did we?Okay, so there are 3 archetypes for each class that are semi-based on disney characters.For the Strong Guy we had the Knight, a rider and melee fighter, the Soldier, a heavily armored foot-soldier, and the Brawler/Champion.For the Agile guy we had the Thief, the Sharpshooter, and the Acrobat.For the Intelligent guy we had the Alchemist, the Professor, and the Mechanic.For the Sensible guy we were kind of lacking, and I don't think we ever decided on these. We had the Doctor, the Wise woman/man, and the Priest.For the Charming guy we had the Musician, the Rogue, and the Diplomat. Somebody else has the Disney characters they match to, I'm sure.
>>36248352None of those are written down anywhere.Still, me and anyone wanting to stat magic can work on the Wise Man (I'm thinking of calling them Shaman) and the Alchemist.
>>36248390They were frequently mentioned back in threads 10-19. We haven't really mentioned them much since. If they use magic, it should be subtle since IIRC that one was based on Mama Odie from The Princess and The Frog.
>>36248417Subtle works. We can divide up the various main things a "wizard" is MEANT to b doing between them. Shamans are for subtle magic, often utility-based. Alchemists are more blasty, but still not on the same level as Jafar or Ursula. Mainly because Jafar and Ursula can do either of those and more.
>>36248352Okay, we have a LOT more crunch to do if that's the case. I'd say we give each of those individual abilities, to allow for these options to stand out as individuals rather than the same flavours of ice cream in a different shaped cone.
>>36248417>>36248451>>36248390>ShamanI'm surprised nobody has mentioned Kekata, the medicine man from Pocahontas yet
>>36248451For some ideas on Alchemy: Create powers that let you use Craft or Occult for various skills, because Alchemists will likely be using Craft+Occult as their main skills. No More Chinese Laundry is their main blasting power, since it lets them pull together explosives given time and use them as they see fit. Create Traits that give bonuses to throwing things. Alchemists don't conjure fireballs, they create highly reactive liquids and put them into glass vials to throw at things. If you really must have magical potions, make sure they give bonuses less potent than Music, which really needs a buff since it's only +2 for now given that you can prep them before hand.>>36248506They do have individual abilities. Each of the class powers is configured towards one of them. Don't be daft, if someone wants to make their own archetype, they should be able to mix-n-match from different pools of Traits and Powers. The archetypes aren't actual classes, they're one of the three main branches you can take the class on, and you don't have to go all the way down that path.
>>36248250What if those magical items were at the end of a long and potentially dangerous quest, say? Like looking for a weapon string enough to take down a Villain King?
>>36248521Shoot, forgot the pic.This guy here.
>>36248535Well, that's an individual quest and would likely fall under the purview of each individual GM. But if you want to make them, go for it but they'll almost CERTAINLY be in the hands of a Villain because they would have taken it from their subordinates, or a King because they took it from the Villains.
>>36246023Wait, does the playtest start at 4:30 EST or 1:30 WEST?
>>36248570EST. 50 minutes from now. Why?
>>36248532If we're going to be statting this sort of thing, then we ought to be discussing this in the IRC room. After all, this is what our "magic" is, so we ought to be statting it in the designated "magic" statting area. Again, we're on the suptg IRC network (irc.thisisnotatrueending.com on 6667) and the room is #DVVmagic.
>>36248585For some reason the campaign page on roll20 gives me 1:30AM WEST as the time. Weird.
>>36247453And the Horned King pushing in from the North, don't forget.
>>36248532Didn't we vote to keep the +2 for music?
>>36248585I'm working on my character for the session now. Should I post it here as well as in the roll20 page?
>>36248654I know I'd like to see it. To ahead and post it.
>>36244683I like the idea of a corrupted Elsa. Hear me out on this: Anna jumped in front of Hans' sword, but didn't freeze in time, so Hans stabbed her, killing her. Elsa saw Hans' lies for what they were, and killed him with her powers. This betrayal caused her to snap, becoming a tyrant who wants to keep anyone from leaving her again.
>>36248640we did. nob is saying its an incredibly weak bonus for someone's entire contribution to combat, which it is.
>>36248585I'd love to play, but frankly I haven't played tabletop since high school and my mic is broken is it ok if I spectate?
>>36248932Feel free to play if you want, we are playing by text not by mic, and I'd love a beginner/outsiders perspective
>>36248869Just because Elsa isn't corrupted doesn't make Arendelle any less dangerous, and keeping her neutral, trending toward good. I liked the idea from threads passed that Elsa's goodness but grief-stricken madness keeps her from being just another standard BBEG to kill and be done with.
>>36248585I'm getting a weird eta in roll20 as well. It says that it's not starting till 6:30. I'm good to play in 20 if that's what's happening
>>36249165My phone ate some of my post but you get the basic idea.
>>36248605>>36248532Also, we may be stuck doing support mages without healing, thanks to the way Strikes work. Going to be a little tricky, but we'll find a way.
Regarding Music.Does the +2 applies to everyone in the party? And how long does it last?Because if a character can use one of his Moves to grant everyone a +2 to every attack they make during that Round, well, that's a lot of plusses.Hey, should Mooks get only one Move per Round, instead of two like the Players?Because that would make them easier to deal with, both for the Players and for the Game Master.
>>36249243Just give them some utility, like lights and levitation and bonuses.>>36249256Seems too much. What if we change music's bonus from +2 to +1 but make it last longer?
>>36249297NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NOFUCK OFFOk, sorry about that, but reducing music's power is a TERRIBLE idea.I'm writing more songs now.
>>36249297>Seems too much. What if we change music's bonus from +2 to +1 but make it last longer?Let's not go crazy here: +1 is too low to be someone's main strategy.And shit, are we really doing magic now?
>>36249195Okay, let me clarify; We're starting in 20 minutes, with 5 of those minutes being waiting for people to assemble.>>36249243Just fluff it like I'm Gonna Need You To Fill These from the Sensible Guy power list.>>36249256Music applies to everyone in the party who can hear it to one skill of the players choice. It lasts until they STOP PLAYING, which is important because attacking usually breaks a musical performance. +2 to everyone in the party is okay, but +3 would make more sense because that player is giving up the ability to Strike for more bonuses.Mooks only get one action a round. I'm pretty sure Lackeys only get one but we never clarified, Inner Circle and above get 3+ actions a round, with bonus actions being handed out in ways we're not sure yet (we want them to be a credible threat to multiple people).
>>36249372I've invited people to join an IRC room if they want to discuss it, so we don't piss off the Inquisition. Apparently, some people didn't get the memo.
>>36249360Oh, speaking of songs. I wrote up a little ditty for Lazarus last night. It's nothing special, but I figured I'd post it.They Cynic's Way (to the tune of "The Shores of Botany Bay"BOXIN' LAZARUS:Farewell to your rules and customs, farewell to your dirty liesFarewell to luxuries and feasts, and to hell with your sacrificeI'll throw off all your trifles, and not a dime I'll payI'll break your yoke, and put on my cloak to be off on the Cynic's wayMy youth was spent a-boxing, training all day longA bullock on each shoulder and in my heart a song,I never once suspected that I would ever say"I don't want your prize or any other of your lies, I'll be on the Cynic's way"[Chorus]I met a weary traveler when fightin in the gamesHe told me of young Hercules, a man who'll live in fameWhen I heard of all his noble deeds, I knew I'd gone astraySo those words I spoke, and I donned my cloak and was off on the Cynics Way[Chorus]I'll finish what Herc started and free the Gods belowI'll tear Hell's gates asunder, for Hades is my foeAnd though I'm only mortal, I'll join in the affrayI'll suffer any strive to live a virtuous life: That's the Cynic's Way[Chorus]
>>36249379>It lasts until they STOP PLAYINGLet's make it last until the end of the Round instead, so the musician is left with another Move to attack with.And I just assumed Lackeys would get two Moves, just like the Players. Maybe we can take away that, which would make them quite weaker without lowering their bonuses.
>>36249360If you are still looking for song ideas, what about a song based on:>>36245125And>>36245309About Clarisse's awkward, bull in a china shop pursuit of love and companionship?PS: I agree about keeping songs strong.
>>36249400To be fair to the inquisitors, their paranoia isn't entirely unfounded. The relative lack of activity in the IRC should demonstrate that at least a little bit of the wizard based agitation was people trying to start shit.Not that I'm saying magic should be completely out. I actually like the idea of adding in basic magic as a sort of mini-expansion; its just that with Nob's well known anti-magic stance it tends to rile both sides up very quickly.
>>36249420I've never heard that song, but that looks pretty damn good to me.>>36249446First I'm just gonna do a quick work on 'A Girl worth Fighting For', but I'll probably write a song about Clarisse afterwards. I did already write that one song about Gaston cursing her for being a beast a while back.
>>36249446I second this song request
>>36249458True. Still, there are people talking about magic in the thread when we can do it in an IRC and avoid starting shit. It just seems sensible to take the safer option that won't derail the thread.
>>36249438Normally, I'd agree, but this is disney so most music is like a song-and-dance number, and finding time to strike during that might be difficult. If we want people to use magic in combat and still strike, we should give the Charming Guy a better power than Rock Will Never Die, like allowing them to use music offensively somehow. >>36249458Can't sleep, wizards will get me.to think that joke started a shitstorm last thread...
>>36249438And maybe musicians should be able to give their +2 not only to one single Skill, but to attacks and defenses as well.Not all together, of course: when they start playing they choose if the bonus is for one Skill, for every Attack or for every Defense.See, this way they shouldn't have to choose which party members to boost and which to not boost.
>>36249487There's lots of covers on it, but this one's my personal favoritehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yke5agKwNrQ
>>36249505Music, not magic. My bad.>>36249513Keep in mind for every 5 they exceed TN20 by the boost goes up by +1. Giving it to all defenses and all attacks is a bit much.
>>36249505>but this is disney so most music is like a song-and-dance number, and finding time to strike during that might be difficult.Not really: singing and fucking people up at the same time is perfectly Disney.I mean, when they start singing, in a Disney movie, they don't stop doing what they were doing: they keep moving forward the plot, but now with music.
Posting my character for the session hereCassio WhiteHuman Smart Guy/MediumROBUSTNESS: 7/12Agility: 9/12Intelligence: 10/12Sensibility: 8/12Charm: 6/12SkillsRanged 3Occult 3 (4 for Smart Guy bonus)Craft 5Prevent Harm 5Science 4Powers:No More Chinese Laundry: Spend a Will point to assemble an explosive from everyday materials. Must have something on hand that could concievably explode -- can't just magic bombs out of thin air. Coconuts okay. At the end of the round you have at least one pound of highly unstable explosive material that will miraculously not go off in your hands. We'll leave it to you as to what to do with it.How Did I Miss That?: Spend one action to examine your surroundings and battle. Identify one crippling disadvantage or faulty location on the surroundings or your enemies. +2 for the party on the next combat roll targetting that point on your enemies, or cause a benefitial field advantage if interacting with the locationTraits:-Trust me, I'm a Doctor+2 on Science, Occult, and Academics if you can somehow explain how your character knows this particular subject.-Heart of Prometheus+3 to all rolls involving Occult and Crafting simultaneously.-Bamboo Technology+4 to Crafting rolls when you have no tools or materials appropriate for what you're trying to do.WeaknessMirror Mark: Living under Queen Grimhilde's rule, Cassio scarred himself years ago to avoid being taken away. An ugly white scar runs from above his right eyebrow, through his nose bridge, towards the left side of his mouth. -4 towards Persuasion rolls.-IdealsAlways have a planImprovisation is an art, and you'd like to be an artistUsing fear to manipulate people's lives is disgusting
>>36249543>Keep in mind for every 5 they exceed TN20 by the boost goes up by +1.But should it? And if it should, let's just cap it at +3 so it can't break the math too much.Also, I repeat, it' not attacks and defenses at the same time: it's just so they don't have to choose between Melee, Ranged and Persuasion when their party members are all attacking with different Skills.Because, really, singing just so you can boost the attacks of one guy is pretty sad and totally not Disney,
We should condense some of these rules into a single document, at least enough of them for character creation.
>>36249554>>36249619Fair enough. Music still feels too weak given it's prominence in pretty much every disney work, and granting it to every defense would quickly create characters that can only compete via a backline musician providing them with a rock-off, which sounds incredible but would quickly become boring.>>362496221d4chan.
>>36249597-GoalsZero: Teach people living in fear to stand up for themselves with the power of smarts, balls of steel, and the ocasional explosionOn-A-Roll: Obtain a full understanding of at least one type of magic in the New WorldHero: Topple Queen Grimhilde in favor of someone that would not keep the citizens in fear, and forced to scar themselvesEquipmentCrossbow (+3 to ranged, takes two actions to reload)A tollbox (Contains a sturdy roll of string, flint and steel, and the usual small time tools)Traveling Cape (+1 to endure the elements)
>>36249622Or link to the pastebin lists of traits and powers to the 1d4chan
We're starting the second playtest now. Feel free to spectate and join. https://app.roll20.net/join/587700/IqsB8g
>>36249638But they would still have another Move to attack and do other stuff with, whoich would keep them in the action.
If you're playing, GET IN THE GAME.I'll be writing while you all are killing stuff.
Just so you know, the playtest should be going on right now. Get in there.
>>36249674I'm saying this as a result of the playtest, not as a theoretical idea; Music was so weak that it got used twice in total, and didn't really change much which may be due to the low defenses at that period in time.
>>36245493Where do you guys get this information?
>>36249706But now we are making it stronger.Musician would only use half their Round to play and they could now give the +2 to every attack or every defense. That's huge.
>>36249749+2 is tiny. It's not even +1d6, which is +3.5. If someone is building their entire character around this, it shouldn't be so incredibly weak.
The Playtest only has three people in it and no one from the last playtest. Join it if you wanna see how our more brutal alpha works firsthand.
>>36249797I would, but I haven't built a character yet.
>>36249817Well then, get to it and hop in
>>36249817Character creation isn't exactly difficult. The party could use a strong or nimble guy, so just throw one together and make it up as you go.
>>36249792A +2 it's a lot in a 3d6 system. I mean, last time we all argued for hours over even smaller numbers.But we could make it so they can increase their bonus to +3 by reaching TN 25. Which would also be a cap, because higher than that and it's get crazy.
>>36249835I'm throwing together a nimble guy now
>>36249865Except it's not 3d6, it's 4d6k3 in the vast majority of combat situations beause you're attacking with your primary attribute, and it's going to get worse as people tier up to 5d6k3 and 4d6k3 on every roll.
>>36249797I've clicked on Join Game five minutes ago and it's still loading. Is this normal?
>>36249940It crashed, try reloading.
>>36249886That only raises the average roll, which makes the +2 less important for combat focused guys but still huge for characters that may have problem reliably hitting mooks. And that's good.But if you think it's too low, let's just do a new poll for it.Numbers aside, are the other rules okay with you?"One Move to use, affects all the party, lasts until the musician's next Turn and it can be applied to one Skill, to attacks or to defenses".
Having just watched the Black Cauldron, I've got to say that the change of the themes and feels of canon to DVV is going to be the slightest in Prydain; it was practically DVV already.Playtest now!
>>36249976To all attacks is fine. To all defenses is not. Other than that, yes.I wonder what's going to happen when playtesting shows something different than what we voted on? It's bound to happen eventually.
>>36250007Not the best Disney film by far, but the setting can't be beat for classic nobledark.
>>36250026Seems reasonable: defenses are out. After all, giving the bonus to Prevent Harm it's still close enough.So, let's poll for the bonus.http://www.strawpoll.me/3018601>I wonder what's going to happen when playtesting shows something different than what we voted on? It's bound to happen eventually.We vote again, this time having more information about the problem.
>>36250117This will probably be the last poll before we start playtesting, make it count because we're gonna be testing it out.
>>36250156It's not about magic, so I can't really imagine getting, what, 40 votes?Oh, those crazy wizards.
>>36250117Also, how long whould this stay open?
>>36250213Till we start, start; so probably another 10 minutes?
>>36250182Speaking as a guy who wants magic, fuck those guys. They've made my job harder because now anyone in favour of magic looks like a cunt in the eyes of /dvvg/.
>>36250229Seems fine, considering there are not a lot of voters left.
>>36250232It's just /dvv/
>>36250283it's a general
>>36250283>>36250295The name doesn't matter, my point still stands.
>>36250229Hey, I'd like to join real quick:What type of character should I make?I made a strong girl, but it seems like you have enough of those.
>>36250318Sensible of charismatic or smart in demand?
Okay, poll's closed, the bonus from music is now +3 and up.I'l go put it in the 1d4chan page.Have a nice playtest, everybody.
>>36250318We have a Strong, Smart, Sensible, and Nimble guy, i think.
>>36250459>>36250318Charismatic snake oil saleswoman from the West or the Shadowlands?Charismatic Cave Johnson R&D technician from Atlantis?
made a nimble guy if I can drop in
>>36250072Does anyone have that image kicking about that explains every position on the noblebright-grimdark chart?
>>36250978Neat, was there any version with more explanation for the other categories?
>>36250978DVV is straight nobledark as far as that chart goes.
Remember to post the results of your playtest when you're done.
>>36251008That's the only version that I remember, sorry!
who here thinks it would be a good idea to add mechanical modifiers to "The Rum Is Never Gone" so that the rum you always have so it lets you resist fear?
>>36251375Alcohol should always get you that bonus.
>>36251375Should probably be a diplomacy bonus with pirates as well.
>>36250840If you want to drop in, i'd recommend doing so soon.
Idea on an origin for pixies and dwarves, and why they're separate from the rest of the fae, and where the whole KLR thing comes from:There are many different species of Fae, but the ones relevant to this fluff are the Elves like Maleficent and her followers, the Dwarves and the Pixies. At the beginning of time, there were guys called the First Kings who each cast gained control over a piece of the Earth that they'd essentially get to go full Fisher King over. When the First Kings cast their spells to control their pieces of the Earth, the Elven High Queen at the time took an interest in the proceedings, and decided she wanted to forge a similar pact, thus gaining a piece of the Mortal Realm for all fae whilst gaining more control for her species over all others. But while she was able to persuade most of the other leaders of the Fae, the Faerie Queen of the free-spirited Pixies and the Underking of the stubborn Dwarves refused to bow to any but their own and to Walt, who still walked the Earth at that time, guiding all his children in the universe he had made. (Chernabog hadn't fucked everything up yet.) So they forged their own paths in the world, and are as such not influenced by Maleficent's evil.
>>36251955>generic fantasy bullshit>but it's okay because walt disney was thereNo. It's fucking Disney not lord of the rings
Hmm. Roll20 appears to have crashed. How bizzare.
>>36252024Hey, by Elves I don't mean "hide in woods and shoot guys with arrows". I mean "Maleficent and her bros going on Wild Hunts constantly." And by Dwarves, I mean like the Seven.
>>36252039>generic fantasy bullshit>no, it's okay, we can make it sound like it's DisneyI wish new people wouls stop fucking up our thread.
>>36252024>>36252039Also, if the term Elves offends you, then what else do we call Maleficent's classification of fae?... Now I think about it, we should just call them Fairies. Man, I was dumb not to think of this.Also,>implying there weren't Dwarves in Disney>implying they didn't spend all their time miningSorry, anon. Didn't realise you never watched Snow White.
>>36252077Hey, new people aren't necessarily bad. >>36252039>>36252098He's right though, Fae are different from elves, and the Dwarves are dead. Also, we call Maleficent a Fae and Tinkerbell a Faerie. Not that hard.
>>36252098We should also throw in some steam punk goblins, right? No, go away.
>>36252024Alright then, genius, how did the pixies get separated from every other type of fairies and how did the whole KLR thing happen?>>36252120>the dwarves are deadWait, what? I thought they were doing a rebellion in the Mirror Kingdoms. Just having them dead kills so many opportunities. I mean, sure, Sleepy and Dopey are probably kill, but are you saying we can't have Grumpy angrier than ever and going completely apeshit in combat? Because if so, you're dumb.
>>36252152I think it's one of those "you just get rumors, it's up to the GM" situations.
>>36252120Then what's the difference between fae and fairies?
>>36252152>>36252120It's called the RUMOR MILL for a reason.If you want the dwarves dead or alive, GM a game and say what you want.
>>36252152>>36252188Fuuuck, the wizard guys are back. Again, go away, we don't want you here, stop trying to troll our project.
>>36252211Nobody even mentioned wizards, and I've been here all day.
>>36252188Fairies are the tiny little Tinkerbell-style ones. Fae are the Wild Hunt/fall asleep for 100 years/kidnap your baby ones.
>>36252188Fae are human, or at least human-looking and human-sized. Faeries are of varying sizes, winged, and usually humanoid. Pixies are tiny, winged fairies that have magical dust that can cause things to float and people to fly.
>>36252230Bullshit. You think we can't recognize your posting style? Step up your game, scrub.
>>36252230Suuure, sure, you've never been here before, you just want to suggest new stuff, maybe criticize Nob a bit, just the usual, right? Are you still mad we don't want your generic nature spirits and your steampunk goblins?
>>36252270>>36252296Look, be as paranoid as you want. The point is, you need to explain why this stuff is here. Don't just handwave it as "Oh, they're kind of just there. That's just the way it is. It just works." That only makes things boring.
>>36252339>you have to explain wonder and magic or the game will be boring>PCs should be wizards or the game will be boring>you have to send the namefags away or the game will be boringLots of new materials there.
>>36252339It's fucking Disney.Walt Disney is an actual presence.There's actually zero need to explain shit. Take your LOTR stuff elsewhere.I've written a couple songs but I'm not gonna submit them for now because they aren't really viable for the thread.
>>36252390Look, you paranoid fucker, are you going to give me constructive criticism on why the idea's bad so I can improve it or are you going to keep accusing me of being a troll?>>36252414Well, if we're that against explaining stuff, okay then. We won't.
>>36252432Ok. Argument resolved.
>>36252456Glad we could sort this without derailing the thread.Although we should at least make some more fluff about the fae besides "They live in woods and kill humans", or we really do just have generic elves.
>>36252432There's no we, there's us and then there are you stupid faggots and your stupid requests. You are only trying to destroy our games with stupoid explanations, stupid ideas and stupid criticism. Go away.
>>36252480>shapeshifting, animal-controlling black-magic wielding wild-hunting spirits>elvesstill; >>36252489Calm down, man. It's entirely possible he just clicked on the thread and wants to participate.
>>36252489... you said just after me and Sverd resolved the argument.
>>36252524You're right, Nob, you're right, maybe he just wants to partecipate, but then he should read the old threads and get up to speed.
>>36252524Really? Never read anything anywhere about them shapeshifting besides Maleficent doing it.Are there any limits to that?>>36252560You seriously expect everyone to read through 25+ threads before participating? Nobody would be able to post before the current thread died.
>>36252480I'd like to point out in Prydain, the fae are pretty nice. Though, you might say they are pixies of a sort.
>>36252570>>36252575Well, they're lead by Maleficent, so they're all pretty evil, at least in France/Germany. The limits are; whatever's narratively convenient.
>>36252570>You seriously expect everyone to read through 25+ threads before participating?Well, it's not as if he's forcing you to partecipate.
>>36252570I actually kinda did do that archivediving, but holy shit does it eat up your time. Maybe you should just send them to the 1d4chan page so they know what's up.
>>36252609Explaining and not getting mad instantly would also help.By the way, I'm not even new in the thread. I'm the guy who made the IRC room for magic earlier before people kind of just talked about it in the thread for a little. Go in the room, I'm the operator.
>>36252188Fae are generally human-looking and massive assholes.
>>36252704No need to be a chode, he's reasonable for a dirty damn wizard even if I disagree with his intents. He was against the poll for magic last thread too.
>>36252704Actually, the purpose was so a magic discussion could be had OUTSIDE the thread, to prevent the flame war we had yesterday from happening again. I see that people are still being triggered just by me mentioning magic. Do people just become less reasonable at this time?
>>36252780You're too good, Nob: having wizard apologists around is only gointg to bring problems.
Can we have Duckpeople?
>>36252830Ah, and I see the Inquisition trolls are back too. Business as usual, I suppose.
>>36252922>you don't want wizards as pcs?>troll
>>36252952So this is how it ends. Not with a bang, but with furious shitflinging.
>>36252952No, no, it's just the idea that the very SUGGESTION that wizards could be a thing will OBVIOUSLY break the system. I mean, it's not like there have ever been games with wizards that AREN'T the 3.X wizards, right? And you know that I was planning to have our wizards, which weren't even called wizards, be just as overpowered because you read all those posts earlier in this thread where I talked about how magic was going to work! Boy, you sure got me!>>36252990You're right. I should stop doing this.Wizard Inquisition anon, you're a raging faggot but I'm willing to ignore you if you're willing to ignore me, just for the sake of the project.
>>36253014Tell me one system where wizards don't just destroy everything.
>>36252857We're saving Donald Duck for the cartoony expansions.
>>36253070Like I said: Ignoring for the sake of the system. Let's not have this argument, it'll just derail the thread.Also, Fantasy Craft.
>>36253014>>36253070Goddamnit, just stop. Both of you. Whether you think wizards could be added without breaking the system or not does not fucking matter at this point. We have proven time and time again that in the threads we CANNOT have a civil discussion about it. So just. Fucking. Stop.
>>36253115I did already say I will.
Oh right, I should probably post thisSing to the tune of “A Girl worth Fighting for” – MulanARMYFor a long time we’ve been marching off to battleIn our thund’ring herd we feel a lot like cattleAnd the pounding of our aching feet aren’t easy to ignoreSVERDSo instead think of this world worth fighting for!ARMYHuh?SVERDThat’s what I said:A world worth fighting for!One with a bright and noble moon and a thousand shining starsA world not ruled by only strength, one we’ve cleaned of all it’s scarsI couldn’t care less that it might not be the best All that matters is that we stopped this conquest(beat) ARMYYeah… Well I’m sure the local girls thought you were quite the charmerJust cause you’ve gotta be a knight in shining armorBut what us common folk have missed the mostSince we went off to warWhat do we want?A girl worth fighting forSVERDA world ruled by the pure of heartOne that’s honestly good insideWhere every nation’s just itselfAnd everyone is clear of mindAMYYeah!SVERDWith our true ways and turn of phrase I say that we canARMYFrom all that started with a snowmanSOLDIER #1I see a reason to believe in one anotherSOLDIER #2I see us fighting for each and every brotherSOLDIER #3And when we come home in victory from having won this warSVERDWhat do we want?ARMYA world worth fighting forSVERDKnow that we haveARMYA world worth fighting forSVERDSay that we haveALLA world worth fighting for!
>>36247474So in all the chaos, what's been going on with Preston B. Whitmore, the dude who financed the expedition in the first place?
>>36253722Very nice, as always Sverd!
>>36253825Well Imperial Atlantis took control of Washington, so he might have gotten out alright, actually
>>36254018Probably. And considering the kind of tech he was tossing around to settle a bet, he's probably a doshking. Might be Rourke's 2IC or up there.
Woah. Hold the fuck up.Why are we using Atlantis but not Anastasia?The GOAT bad guy of them all, the black monk.WHERE IS RASPUTIN?
>>36254083We know it's still you.
>>36254083Not Disney. But he's close enough to Disney that he's our go-to candidate if we need a Russian Sorcerer
>>36254083Anastasia is a Don Bluth film. If you want to fluff him up for an expansion, go ahead.
>>36254083He's either nowhere or he's sitting in Cherno's territory and having an awesome continual party.
>>36253722I took a look at Naacha's build/backstory and whipped this up. Not as good as your stuff, but hey.(To the tune of "The Circle of Life")NAACHAFrom the moment I turned on my brother,And the truth... was brought into the sun.There's been more made wrong than I can ever set right,More I've lost than can ever be won...There's far too much that's gone wrong here,More repentance than can ever be earned,But the wide world out thereLiving tired and scaredMakes me feel like my heart's going to burn...'cause I'm making it right,If it takes forever,Through fire and ice,Through paths worn long,Though I'll find no placeIn the heart untainted,I'll go out there!I'm making it right!Yes, I'm making it right!If it takes forever!Though I may lose my way,I'll keep moving forward!'till that final day,When my path unbinds me,I'll be out there...Making it riiiiiiight!
>>36254528Looks every bit as good as my stuff to me.
>>36254528I like it a lot!
AND SO ENDS THE SECOND PLAYTEST.General conclusions before Nob comes in:Mooks are balanced, fuck you.Lackeys are pretty balanced, a little weak.Villains and Inner Circle need a slight buff.Some other more minor stuff too.
>>36255271Lackeys are best used not as captains, but as a sort of standard soldier unit, with a mook being a weaker/untrained/incompetent/drunker version of a soldier or guard. Also, a few lackeys is more fun to fight than a sea of mooks at Zero.
>>36255271Also, Beast armor and weapons should be about as hard to find as masterwork human weapons, because they stack with natural Beast buffs to become insane
>>36255271And music makes everything awesome!
>>36255271So Mooks and Lackeys are not the rape machines they were made out to be?
>>36255326Fuck that.Mooks are the general soldier unit- you're SUPPOSED to plow through them. When you make the 'typical soldier' something the average protagonist will have actual, legitimate difficulty defeating, it's a MAJOR step in the direction of bullshit D&Dshit.
>>36255410Nope.I still think Lackeys should be kept as the captain unit, mooks should be the general soldier. It's Disney, they are suppose to be shitty.
>>36255411>>36255442That's what we agreed on through poll, so that's what they are going to stay until the next poll.
>>36255388Maybe they just shouldn't stack, or give a +1 at best if they are heavy.
>>36255477Probably for the best.
>>36255411 >>36255442After playing the game and fighting a group of 12 mooks and one lackey, the mooks feel slow because of the action economy. If you get 2 attacks per round, and mooks can be killed in one hit, fighting a group of them feels like trying to take out an ant colony by crushing them individually. You don't see each mook as an individual, you see a blob of mooks that you think of as a single unit. I was just proposing one way to deal with the issue, but another one I proposed may work better: a way to make more attacks than normal at a penalty (possibly only affecting mooks) in order to take out more than 2 at a time. As it is, mook fights feel a bit sluggish, that's all.
>>36255542Yeah, I agree with you there.
Here's the second playtest, edited so that dicerolls don't stretch the screen like a motherfucker. Don't open this if you're on mobile, it's massive.http://pastebin.com/qE1kW0YY>>36255410Nah, I was straight-up wrong. Tlalec was rolling +22.>>36255411>>36255442Lackeys are captain units, and will remain as such -- but occasionally they'd be encountered as groups if in the service of a villain/inner circle organized enough to keep some elite soldiers around.>>36255542Agreed. Combat took three times as long as the combats in the previous playtest except for the fight with No One because there were just SO MANY OF THEM, and there were only 12.Still think it may be a bad idea to allow more attacks than normal unless it's only against Mooks, otherwise we'll get stuff like Tlalec but moreso, a character designed to get massive buffs on a single attack then obliterate a boss in a single hit.
>>36255542>>36255585Twelve Mooks for each lackey sounds a bit too much: would it be better if there was a lackey for every eight Mooks?
>>36255640Why does there need to be a specific number?
As for general impressions: Mooks are in a good place. They don't get oneshot automatically except by combat monsters, and they're a legitimate threat if the players are unlucky. Lackeys are likewise in a good place: Player bonuses are ~+4 higher than I expected which is not surprising because I was calculating given 'average stats' but everyone focuses their character towards one aspect. Music is fine, but we need to see combat music to really playtest it. Beast equipment should be much rarer, Sir Bruin was doing something like +25 with his iron claws.>>36255640It was 11 mooks and a lackey. I was going by the theory of 7 mooks for a group of 3, 9 for 4, and 11 for 5. That's going to have to be toned down by ~2 mooks per pop. That way the players should be able to down the mooks in a single round.
>>36255659As a guide line, not as a hard rule.>>36255624>occasionally they'd be encountered as groups if in the service of a villain/inner circle That would cover the "take care of important business" bit from their description, yes.
Okay, new guy here. This might be one of those details that everyone has to choose to ignore but I'm curious. What is the policy on eating other animals? We have a lot of talking animals. Is it like Narnia where there is a difference between animals and TALKING animals?Can't remember my other questions but that's the one that comes to mind.
>>36255715Animals talking/being sentient isn't universal, and most animals can't talk to humans so they can't really protest to them.The actual ethics are up to debate.
>>36255715The Disney world is, in general, exactly like earth in that people raise and eat animals. The only difference is that some animals are intelligent for whatever reason (Particularly those in India and Africa) and can talk.
>>36255624Also, I think low-level AoE may be helpful. I'm thinking about things like a bag of caltrops, or a tripwire, rather than a traditional AoE. These could even not have any wounds attached to them, but are designed just to soften the defenses of a large number of enemies, so you can take a nice big penalty and hit a lot of very soft targets. They could also be slowed or have any other effects applied to them, allowing more interesting mook horde takedowns. I'm thinking of pouring grease on the ground and making a pack of guards run off a cliff/into a wall/into a lake, just as an example.Also, I agree that multiattacks should have a rule saying they can't be on the same person. Or just only work on mooks.
>>36255624>Is it reasonable to get Elsa un-crazified at On-a-roll tier, provided I invest enough into Charm and Music/Persuade?i'd think that'd be at least 30 for her to not murder everyone on the spot and probably like 35 to actually calm her down
Okay, thanks for answering. I remembered my other question, which was about an alliance of Prince's to reunite the world. I'm not sure if any more work was done on that but the idea excited me. Especially if the Alliance was loose and each Prince had one or more knightly orders sworn to him.I almost commissioned an artist I knew to draw me a Maldonian rifle knight with a mission to establish contacts in Arrendelle.I also haven't found anything about Tulio, Miguel, and Chel yet. Was wondering about those guys.If I'm breaking the flow of the thread just let me know.
>>36255963All the princes are either dead or in hiding of some sort. There's no feasible way an 'alliance of princes' could exist. Also it'd really break the whole 'The villains won' thing and the fact that the PCs were the ones to reunite the world.Also, Star Wars isn't in the homebrew because it'd be gamebreaking crunch and fluffwise and there is no Arrendellian prince. Or Arrendellian anything, really.
>>36256012There's Arendellian wasteland and Arendellian tundra...
I suggest that we give an extra buff of some kind to Smart, Sensible, and Charming Guys, because the Nimble and Strong Guys get Prevent Harm for free, and the other classes don't currently have anything that corresponds to that.
>>36256061what the fuckdid you not even read the rules
>>36256070>>36256094Calm your shit.>>36256061He's right though, everyone gets a rank of one skill, it's just that Nimble and Strong guys get two, because they're much less social in a narrative-based game.
>>36256114>everyone gets a rank of one skill, it's just that Nimble and Strong guys get two, because they're much less social in a narrative-based game.Yes, exactly.
>>36256114>they're much less socialwatfrom what i've seen so far some of the most social characters in the game have been strong guysalmost every single disney prince was a strong or nimble guy not a charismaticjust because they don't know how to drive a boat or legends of fae and shit doesn't mean they aren't great social characters
>>36256187so the argument is that it's balanced because Robustness and Agility aren't as useful as other skills? Not disagreeing, just clarifying.
>>36256227That's because they're being played as hams. Doesn't mean they're good at using Persuasion, Deceit, Barter, or Insight.
>>36256227You think the guys that get the bigger bonuses to social rolls are not, by definition, the most social characters?We are not talking about how you can or cannot play your character: we are saying that, mechanically, they are less good at social stuff.>>36256232Yes, pretty much: they are sliglty less versatile
>>36256012I'm sorry I wasn't referencing Star Wars. Maldonia is where Prince Naveen is from. As for the alliance of princes that's really not the best way to describe it because they are in hiding. In another thread it was tossed around that they are basically resistance cells that may or may not have intermittent contact with each other. A knight of one of these prince's would in effect be undercover all the time.And do we know what's up with Lord Wesetlton? I always felt that labeling him as a bad guy didn't make much sense. If Frozen and Tangled are around the same time then he very well have been royally fucked with by Mother Gothel and her witchcraft. I always saw his reactions in the movies as "DO YOU FUCKERS NOT GET IT? SHE'S A CRAZY PERSON WITH MAGIC!". And even then you can see him sad in the background as he hears of Anna's death. I imagine that the current state of the settingwould basically prove everything he was worried about.Might make for a fun location, one that is generally friendly because he sees how bad the world has got until you show any magic and he's all GET OUT to the party.Thoughts?
>>36256262you mean the disney princes or the characters?because most disney princes aren't played as hams - like ryder and phoebusif you mean characters tlacel and sverd are both better social characters than a bunch of smart/sensibles
>>36256307From a mechanical point of view, anon, from a mechanical point of view.We are talking about mechanics now.
>>36256307>tlacel>good at socialDid you see any of his rolls? He wouldn't get above 20 on an average social roll, his bonus to social skills is like +6.Also, Sverd is Robustness/Charm with nothing inbetween.
>>36256296He's probably dead/hibernatingArrendelle is a massive, giant frozen shitland where 95% of it's people are ice statues about now, and he was right next to the center of the explosion. Depends if we're going scientific and shit and killing people who were frozen or not, I guess.
Archive Anon here stopping by to say that I'm sick as a dog and can't archive this thread. I'd ask that someone please archive it, and see to it that it and the previous threads get the up votes they deserve.Thanks everyone, and have a great night.
>>36256344Well, I also have 9 in agility and want to sink a couple points into acrobatics eventually. But yeah, I'm pretty much just Robustness/Charm. Like a real prince.
>>36256339>>36256344Who cares about rolls and mechanics, you crunch obsessed maniacs? A character is not his rolls and bonuses. You have lost your way.
>>36256348To be fair, If Han's could escape, I'd imagine the Duke could get out as well. Perhaps he can help the players see through Han's lies?
>>36256386Hans lies aren't hard to see through if anyone in the party knows anything about what happened in Arrendelle. Maybe. What's the actual official story with Hans, anyway (As in, the story he's telling)?
>>36256382>Hey guys, I think we should fix their mechanics>But mechanically they are fine>WHO CARES ABOUT DUMB MECHANICS ANYWAY!2/10, you barely made me reply.
>>36256382>crunch obsessed maniacThanks.But rolls and bonuses are what matters in combat whether physical or social, we can't magically make people better actors and hammier writers by picking Charming, Sensible, or Intelligent characters.
>>36256382oh wizard guy, how low you've fallen. you used to be more subtle than this.
>>36256339I think the point he's making is that not getting to drop a die in a social skill is not crippling to being a social player. I'm tweaking my character to be Charming rather than Nimble, as I realized that it was more fun playing him like that anyways, so I'll see how it works out.Also, what do you think of this trait? It's a +4, but it has 2 limiting factors (whole group participation and only social skills):Lord of the Dance: +4 to Music checks made leading the whole party in dance to buff a social skill
>>36256418Probably something along the lines of the sorceress queen freezing everyone, Hans and Anna (He'd totally play up the true love angle here, it makes him look like a tragic figure) trying to get her to unfreeze Arendelle, Elsa killing Anna with ice magic and Hans trying but failing to kill the ice queen and leading the survivors to safety afterwords (Actually leading the survivors entirely optional)
>>36256418I imagine it would go like this:>Went to arendelle to princesses>Met love of my life, perfect in every way>She reveals to me she is the princess, who had been locked away in the castle by her sister>I confront the wicked sister and tell her of my plans to marry >She reveals her evil powers, fearing I might save her sister from her cruel heart and take her misbegotten throne>She curses the land, freezing it eternal>My beloved, still seeing some light in her heart, goes to try and convince her to take off the curse>I stay behind to watch over Arendelle>She returns and is shown to be cursed, her heart turning to ice.>Eventually, she dies in her arms, after we exchange vows>I Return to Elsa, and began to duel her. She slaughters all of my men, but eventually we bring her under arrest.>she is brought back to Arendelle for trial, but escapes>I confront her again, and begin to duel her>Eventually, before I can slay her->*Tears up a bit*>I am stopped by the possessed carcass of my dead love.>I am taken aback, and narrowly escape by hiding in a abandoned ship>I eventually make it back home, and promise to get Anna justice>but, my body is too frail>Please, do this task for me, and I will gladly give [Item platers need/want]
>>36256549*My, not her arms
>>36256521Make it +3 and it's more reasonable; with a social skill pretty much all songs are going to be group participation. It could be +4 depending on how stringent "whole party" is, though.
Are there any traits for building more of a wacky, rubberhose-style PC? You can't have a Disney game without a bit of cartoony goodness.
>>36256581We are eventually going to get around to that, with a supposed Toon expansion thats probably going to come latter on, after the magic one
>>36256521But we never said it's crippling, we just said it deserves one point more in Prevent Harm.About the Trait, instead. . .Yeah, seems adequate: it's a +4, but requires your entire party and. . .Actually, it depends on what you define as a Social Skill.Just to be sure, you should limit this to Persuasion only.
>>36256581There was the comedic harm ones, which give you +3 to Endure and Prevent Harm at the cost of miscellaneous bad things happening to you ALL THE TIME.
>>36256530>>36256549I hadn't really considered this, but Hans creates a pretty interesting moral dilemma for Sverd as he inevitably fails his endure check because he has the sensibility of a blind rock. Hmmm.>>36256581There are many. And you can make your own with GM approval.
>>36244501Okay, I couldn't help my self. I needed to make this guy a K/L/REnjoy, from Over The Garden Wall!King: In the moonlight of the old forests of the north, There are rumors of something, bizarre and monstrous. Legends of a creature that preys upon lost souls, who even Hades can not command. In these forests, they say, the lost and forgotten stories of those who meet tragic ends, come to life and show themselves to those who wonder through the woods. But, there is no story more accursed or mysterious than that of the great shadow known as The Beast. No one truly knows what he is but, there are of course rumors. Some say that he is one of The Thing on Bald Mountain's minions, due to his pitch black appearance and power over the night. Some say that he is the byproduct of a Shadow Friend cutting a deal with the Aurora Boreallis, betraying the friends for a more mystical and natural power. But no matter the case, those who hear The Beast's voice ringing out through the forest at night rarely see the next day. Fewer are those who see the two glowing eyes piercing the Dark, for they soon find themselves purposeless and buried in shadow. Those that give into the weary and heart sinking sights and feelings of the cold winter and depressing shadows will soon find themselves set upon the beast, as he twists and manipulates the lost soul into his favored fuel: The Oilwood trees, for the Beast's true form hover, is not what it seems.
>>36256609Isn't Deceit opposed by Insight?
>>36256631Insight+Sensibility or occasionally Insight+Intelligence, depending on the situation.
>>36256618He must rely on the light of a lantern to keep himself alive and active, for with out a light, what good is a shadow? But the Beast guards his lamp, and by extension, its bearer well. He clouds the bearers way, and sends away those that he can not extinguish himself. and thanks to manipulation and trickery on his part, the bearer of the lamp fervently believes that the only way to preserve his brothers soul is to burn Oil grinded from the Souls left in the Oilwood trees. Little does the poor boy know that his brother has long since passed on, back to his life, leaving his misguided older brother alone. But yet he continues, cutting down the OilWood trees a in vain attempt to keep what he thinks is his brother's soul alive, all the while the beast watches and further leads the young man further and further into doubt, his only redoubts are the occasional traveler and bluebird.>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZUH_ZGI1U8
>>36256631Or insight, rather. My bad.Still governed by sensibility, and Sverd has a 6 in that with no points in insight because he pretty much totally depends on other people to do anything that isn't being stronk, being fast or rousing various kinds of rabble.
>>36256603I'm thinking maybe only Persuasion and maybe Deceit. It will be at least less powerful than this: Chivalry: +3 to all social skills so long as you follow the warrior's code of your own culture.which I think should be nerfed heavily, as it is +3 to at least 3 skills (Intimidate, Deceit, Persuasion) Mine is +4, but only to a specific subset of one skill (music)
>>36256382Nobody had a way that didn't involve numbers, rolls mechanics and STATICS? But those are his fetish!
>>36256654Land: The Realm of The Beast, the Unknown, was once a rumored limbo. A fairy tale, told to easily frightened children from the gnarled old. But as the Beast hungers for more and more souls, the Unknown has become much more. It bleeds through, opening holes in little travelled places. Take a step behind a building and you will soon find yourself in a over grown wilderness. But the lost souls who do not fall to the beast's hunger, soon find themselves even worse off. Witches and curses fly freely here, as the normal constraints of reality began to fall apart due to the unique magic of the Unknown.It is often debated by travelers who pass through the Unknown to argue about the very nature of it. Some say that it is a place where human souls who find themselves lost eventually end up. Others say that it is a perhaps a limbo of sorts, for those who did not commit to evil or good. But, as the name of the land suggests, the truth in the matter is that it is, and will most likely always, be Unknown.The land itself could be described as small islands of farms and buildings, surrounded by a sea of dark, autumn and winter forests. These small pockets of civilization vary greatly, ranging from entire towns made up of the dead disguised in costumes to villages made up of walking and sentient Animals, to giant, ever expanding manors. These small worlds are disconnected, and only brought together via the poor souls not already bound to one of them.
>>36256549I think this would a great place to use Weselton. He was there and knows what actually happened, how the party went wrong. From what it seems his dukedom might be the closest to Arendelle and a boat might be found willing to take the foolhardy adventurers to the old port. The party, having heard the story first from Hans, will now have to figure out what they think of these two conflicting stories. Additionally, while Lord Weselton does not really care for Frollo he admits that Frollo's witch hunters do an effective job of keeping witches and other magic users out. So players would have to deal with those guys as well.And what if the Hunting Club has a few guys in the Dukedom trying to get into Arendelle to hunt the frozen horrors there? They might be convinced into becoming temporary allies, at least for as long as it takes to get to Arendelle.Thoughts?
>>36256675>Chivalry: +3 to all social skills so long as you follow the warrior's code of your own culture.Yeah, that's insane.
>>36256609>>36256663What would an Arrendelle ruled jointly by Sverd and a un-crazied Elsa look like?
>>36256683Rule: The Unknown hungers: Across the midnight expanse of the forest, The Beast is nigh omnipresent. Every fallen log, every bush, every corner could be another hiding spot of the beast as he moves across the forest. He is a master of misdirection and trickery, and will often try to lead parties into bouts of heated arguments and depression so as to split them up. Those who are alone, and fall prey to The Beast's acts will soon find themselves rooted the ground, and eventually transformed into the Oilwood trees, their souls now only used to feed The Beast at his leisure. But that is not all the unknown holds for those unsuspecting. Almost as capricious as the fey and the Aurora, those who move too fast or too slow or agree to strange deals, may find themselves trapped forever in prisons. It is not uncommon to hear that Animals were once humans or to see puppets come alive and form little worlds for themselves. The Unknown lurks within all who enter, and if they linger too long, they might just become a part of the Unknown as well.
>>36256690Also, I think crazy Elsa would mean rabid murder-snowmen
>>36256703+2 to Persuasion and Intimidate, not Deceit, keep the penalty and it's fine
>>36256707>>36256683>>36256654>>36256618and yeah, i know its not Disney, hell, its Cartoon Network of all things, I just felt like making this guy something after watching the mini-series
Any testing GMs with open player slots?
>>36256618>>36256654>>36256683>>36256707That's pretty cool, we should totally keep this for later.Or at least make an Inner Circle Guy out of him.
>>36256739That sounds good to me
>>36256747There's gonna be another playtest on Thursday at a yet-undetermined time, probably in the clusterfuck that is Japan or maybe in an actual major city so people have to use stealth/drive/mechanics/acrobatics.
>>36256703Keep in mind that this only applies when DIRECTLY following the warrior's code of your culture. These things are strict as fuck. +3 is an appropriate bonus for not being able to do an incredible amount of things and only acting in one very specific way. For example, if a Knight tried to say 'This corrupt government leader is obviously wrong' or 'This priest is incorrect'? Bonus gone.>>36256706I imagine it'd probably work out pretty well because Sverd's rabid idealism would be kept in check by Elsa's more dominant and, y'know, regal nature, while Sverd would keep people honest and good and whatnot and the army strong by serving as a Hero of the People/Commoner's King kinda thing.
>>36256777You better keep Ice Anna around.
>>36256773How does one get in on one of these?
>>36255963Tulio and Miguel have a bit on them.Check the Rumor Mill. (Hey, it beats an archive dive.)
>>36256813You uhAre there at that time.And are willing to play.And have a desire to test the game out. It's not very complicated.
>>36256723Basically yah. So Weselton's land would become the launching point of many different organizations trying to get into Arendelle. The Hunters, the Atlanteans, etc.Because if Arendelle is supposed to be almost completely bereft of all life then the party needs a starting point, a base camp to get supplies and information one last time before they head in.
>>36256777But because the warrior's code is negatively defined, as a list of things NOT to do rather than a list of things TO do, that still covers more cases than it doesn't
>>36256827Will do! Thanks
>>36256842Actually, chivalry is a list of things to do.And it only applies when you're fulfilling one of them and not violating a different section in any way.It's basically a +3 to Persuade when not acting against an authority figure, the church, respecting the rights of everyone, pursuing the general welfare while at the same time pursuing personal glory and making sure to respect women as equals but also remember that loyalty to your nation is them most important thing ever.You can't use deceit or intimidation ever and get the bonus, and saying "Hey, let's go kill Chernabog" would also lose the bonus because he's an authority figure.That's just Chivalry, anyway. Welcome to Medieval Battle Conduct and Personal Ethics 101.>>36256808Pfft, I'll probably go into Hell and find her soul to create more moral dilemmas later anyway.
>>36256835After the crazy shit I saw in today's playtest, I totally want in.Time to make some characters!
>>36256777Someone should writefag about Elsa/Sverd leading a restored Arrendelle. That'd be interesting.I can see her restraining him at ever single fucking diplomatic function and political meeting while he's constantly trying to promote honor and shit to important ambassadors, and proposing ideas that would lead to total collapse of everything within weeks. lel
>>36256983Wait, do you need more than one or something?
>>36256995Okay, I can't find anything on google about Sverd and I don't remember this character. Who is he? I don't see him on the rumor mill either.
>>36257055He's one of the playtest characters who is known to be crushing hard. Apparently anons are starting to actually ship him.
>>36257055>rumor millI'm a PC.http://pastebin.com/Y88HmfHX
>>36256995If there are any drawfags out there, I really want to see Elsa and Sverd having Tea with Lazarus and Evelyn.S-stupid mortal, you didn't have to get me another golden statue, baka
>>36257116We have no drawfags.
So how do the former British colonies get along with the Kingdom of the Cauldron? Or each other for that matter? They seem to have been settled/established in different ages, so I assume they would be loyal to different pretenders, or simply themselves.
>>36256924Chivalry only cares about respecting rightful authority; Chernabog can suck it. Also, you could get away with intimidate if you were all gentlemanly about it. ("Do X, or you will leave me no choice but to resort to violence!")
>>36257007Well, sure! Characters are super fast to build, and that way I can be ready with what the party needs next playtest, since I really would like to play.Not to mention how many different characters you can make as well.I've actually already come up with a couple.
>>36256742I like it.
>>36257160According to the Song of Roland one of the values of Chivalry is just "to obey those placed in authority."
>>36257154>NooooooI'll just have to write a bunch of shipfics about them.
>>36257164Hm, I'd really like to participate in the next playtest too - I'll have to come up with some characters myself. I'm guessing it's played through IRC?
>>36257160but from a mechanical standpoint, there is a bit of a rule for traits: It's a +2 bonus to one skill to start. Then, for every restriction you place on it, it can either apply to one more skill or increase the buff by 1. Chivalry has +3 to 3 skills, so it would need to have 3 fairly tough limitations, one for going from +2 to +3, and 2 for applying to 3 skills. It only really has one limitation on it, so it's overpowered as of now.
>>36257200d20 actually.Linky: https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/585117/villains-victorious-test
>British Queen> —>deadMfw>>36257103Ahhhhh, got you. I imagine this is still going to be happening in a week because I move on Thursday and would love to jump in on the playtest.
>>36255963>>36256296As the guy who put the 'princely alliance' forward in the first place, I'd say that 'small resistance cells across the globe that have limited contact with each other' is what I envisioned. The only princes you'd see working directly together would be ones with geographical proximity; as I've suggested before, if they were all alive, King Arthur would certainly have Taran and Meridia as his lieutenants of his rebel army against the Horned King. Prince Charming and Prince Phillip are both Franks, and collaborate against the Cauldronborn and Mirror Soldier on their borders as well as the Inquisition and Fae within. Snow White's prince, the Teuton, is pretty much on his own outside of the alliance's network. But the network, which also includes guys who aren't really princes like Eugene, Kristoff and Shang Li, means that none of them are really alone. They share information freely amongst themselves, even when it doesn't benefit them directly, for they know the others would do the same for them, and it's just the right thing to do. For example, between Arthur and company and Snow White's prince, Charming and Phillip have fairly accurate ideas of when, where and by whom France will be attacked. This is more of a 'let's keep a few lines open between my people and your people' thing, mind you.
>>36257223>3 fairly tough limitations>chivalry doesn't have three fairly tough limitations>i am literally retarded
>>36257195All writing is good writing, especially from someone who's know to make good shit like you.>>36257245Actually, it's happening Thursday.
>>36257244Oh cool. I guess you just post your character here then and hope to get picked?
>>36257192Maybe, but I've got the perfect response to that.
>>36257319No, it's just first come first serve. People have been very civil about it so far, and we've had all different people (Except one to give a more experience perspective) play both playtests.
>>36257116>S-stupid mortal, you didn't have to get me another golden statue, bakaRemember, she's eight feet tall, has grey skin and black sclera, five hundred years old, and wears SPIDERS as her clothing. She does keep her bargains, though.>>36257245We're playtesting again this Thursday and will likely continue to playtest till we're in late beta.>>36257244>>36257319I make a new campaign for every test admittedly, though I should probably stop doing that.>>36257334It's 'first come first serve' but I dramatically prefer new players over old players, because I'd like as many people to know the mechanical feel of things as possible. That doesn't mean that we don't need some contiguous players throughout the playtests, though...
>>36257349>>36257334Well, I found the roll20 page just fine - hopefully I can get around to making some characters before the Thursday session starts.
>>36257319>>36257349Well then, here you go.Name: Renee TabardineRole: Sensible GirlCountry of Origin: France (The Fae Lands)Size: MediumSpecies: Human---Attributes---Robustness: 6/12Agility: 8/12Intelligence: 8 /12Sensibility: 10/12Charm: 8/12Will: 3/3Strikes: 3/3---Skills---Ranged: 3Prevent Harm: 3 Stealth: 3 Legerdemain: 3Persuasion: 3Academics: 3Occult: 3Linguistics: 3 (Birds, Mammals, Spirits)Insight: 3Music: 3Craft: 3---Traits---Time for Panic: +5 to any roll used to escape a dangerous situation while on one Strike or no Strikes.No Time To Panic!: +2 to resist FearThis man is obviously a Charlatan +2 on Insight checks against people who are obviously villains. ---Powers---Are You Scared?Identify one character. You are able to discern their greatest fear. All allies get +2 to cause a social Strike.The Laws Of Distant Realms: As any good folklorist can tell you, the fey have /rules/. Nonsense rules, but rules nonetheless. Bonus to Occult Knowledge and diplomacy with the more lawful types of spirits.---Ideals---Everybody/thing has something important to say, and information can be more valuable than gold.There’s always a way out of trouble if you think about it. If push comes to shove, running is perfectly valid.---Goals---Zero: Earn a boon from a magical creatureOn-a-Roll: Find my little sister who was stolen by the faeHero: Take down those responsible for the above incident (or at least help)Physical Description: A slightly built preteen girl with medium-length dark hair and hazel eyes.
>>36257103http://pastebin.com/esNdWCFRgot around to digging up Jeramiahs character as we
>>36257401Backstory: Has a chip on her shoulder against the Fae and Fairies, and ran away from home before her family was going to marry her off or send her to the convent. She wants to see the world and find her sister who was taken away by the faeries. She knows a little bit about the whispered faerie tales of France, and would like to learn more. She knows a little about living on her own from her father (what’s okay to eat or not, trapping/hunting), but still mostly uses her wits to get out of a jam. She’s decent at music as well.STUFF:Flint & SteelCloakHunting Bow: +1 to Ranged
>>36257294Chivalry as a whole applies to at least half of the situations where it would be valuable. I was in the playtest today, and there aren't many situations that you would get in that run directly contrary to the code of chivalry that these people describe. Also, +3 to 3 skills is just fucking absurd. It needs a nerf. And saying that each granular part of the code counts doesn't work. That is like saying that a bonus to Music gets +1 for every skill it won't apply to. Also, warrior codes very. Tlacel's warrior code is very different than Sverd's, so one person can do a lot more than another. Additionally, people will presumably be following their personal code for RP reasons, and even if it breaks the code, they only get one roll without a +3 bonus. It just should be +2 to Persuasion and Intimidate, rather than +3 to Persuasion, Intimidate, and Deceive,
>>36256777>I imagine it'd probably work out pretty well because Sverd's rabid idealism would be kept in check by Elsa's more dominant and, y'know, regal nature, while Sverd would keep people honest and good and whatnot and the army strong by serving as a Hero of the People/Commoner's King kinda thing.>Elsa's more dominant and, y'know, regal natureSo what you're saying is that Sven is the sub?
>>36257349>Lazarus don't care what's on the outside>Lazarus loves what's on the inside
>>36257419You mean +2. Bows are Two Handed Weapons.
>>36257447Vicious, murderous evil spirit wearing a mockery of the human form?Also more spiders?
>>36257443Really, was there ever any doubt?
>>36257436Correct me but aren't there a few rare warrior cultures out there that would be totally cool with you lying?
>>36257450Ah, okay. Thanks.
>>36257443I don't think it's physically possible for Sverd to be dominant in anything. Especially when a woman is involved.
>>36257495>>36257480>>36256777>>36257443WRITEFAGS, YOU KNOW WHAT MUST BE DONE.
>>36257521Dread, whens the next Disney Team Prime Time story coming out?
>>36257419Actually, you would get -2:Bows can only be used effectively by someone with Robustness 8. Anyone with less Robustness than that takes a -2 penalty for every point of difference between his Robustness and 8.
>>36257535Moving away from the topic of scary role-reversal smut, does anyone want a song?
>>36257551Tomorrow, most likely. The playtest took up just about all of my free time today.
>>36257567A crossbow would be better for that character, then.
>>36257569Only if it's about Sverd getting fucked by Elsa for making a stupid proposal in court one day.
>>36257589I've been meaning to ask: Has anyone put out a starting equipment list? It'd make this sort of thing much easier.
>>36257605Man, if she had proper control over her powers Elsa could do all sorts of crazy shit in the bedroom.
>>36257637Sounds cold.Sverd should probably bring a sweater
>>36257637Good thing Sverd's got so much Robustness then, she needs a guinea pig.
>>36257605>>36257637>>36257657>>36257663You're scaring me.
>>36257569>the playtest parties introduce themselves to one another>in song>a group "I Am" songWhat would the tune be, though?
>>36257589Yep.Also, Shotguns might be a bit OP, as they currently are just like bows, but tiwce as good and with a higher Robustness requirement. We shouhld make them loud and have a shorter range (nearly melee, these would be giant-ass blunderbusses with almost no accuracy to speak of) or make them risk a misfire or something on a critical miss (miss by either 5 or more or 10 or more)
>>36257616We don't even have the equipment rules down yet, man.As a general rule though, the only +3 weapons you can get at game start are New World guns and Greatswords. You can also get equipment that gives a +2 to whatever check you're trying to get assuming you can justify it giving that bonus.>>36257637The list of things I want cold things to do with my genitals is approximately zero things. Not fun!
>>36257685Yes, but you aren't a frigid Swedish prince.
>>36257682Gotta be I Am The Walrus, mate. >>36257684Agreed, Shotguns are way too strong. They should be at max like +4 due to needing Robustness 10 to use a ranged weapon, which generally uses Agility. I think it was originally intended to use robustness, but people persuaded me to make it Agility on all ranged attacks instead.
>>36257682That could be somewhat difficult if I have to include everyone - showtunes with nine different members talking each with wildly different personalities are difficult to find. I will certainly look though, and I'm not gonna step over any toes by declaring one group 'all this' and another 'all that'.
>>36256618This simple image makes me REALLY nervous.
>>36257673>Idea for DTP bonus episode>Lazarus telling Sverd the facts of life, and then recounting the extra precautions necessary when dealing with supernatural women
>>36257685what about armor? >>36257725Medley?
>>36257731I really ought to see this show, it looks fuckin sweet
>>36257742>"And I swear to God Almighty, my balls actually retracted all the way up into inside my body."
>>36257742>Now m'boy, with the magical ones you have to be extra careful. Because let me tell you, they WILL want to use that magic in the sack, its just a fact of life. Grass grows, birds fly, the sun shines, and sorceresses like to use magic in bed.
>>36257747Armor is available. It's balanced enough as-is. You can only really get Heavy armor as, like, plate armor, power armor, or something equally ROBUST.
>>36257747We have a 1d4chan page: you can find Weapons, Armors apd Shields there.
>>36257747I could do that if you wanted more of a general thing instead of each character individually introducing themselves.
>>36257791I know, I was asking about armor as starting gear
Thread is archived.Please vote on it; http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Disney%20villainshttp://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Disney%20villainsAlso, we're going to need a new thread, and someone is going to have to put the new pastebin for the newest playtest in the OP, as well as the character creation doc.Second playtest: http://pastebin.com/qE1kW0YYCharacter creation 'doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m8XSm73Ea4ECdDdP9V4IVJCEBji6HPw43LRPyUCDmx4/edit?usp=sharingWe need to make a paste of pastes about these, really. If they can't all fit in the OP, post them in the first or second post.
>>36257819Take whatever mundane items you wish so long as the GM does not find it dubious.
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Anyone built any Beast builds yet? Can they wear armor?
>>36256742So what do you guys think of this? Its pretty interesting. Could we throw it in now? Or should we wait till later? I mean, all we would need to is give a little of Facillier's and Auroras lamd
>>36257842There was a beast in the first playtest.
>>36257842Beasts can't wear armor, can't generally use equipment, and can't wield weapons UNLESS it's specifically made for them. Primates are an exception.>>36257849Interesting it is, disney it is not. >>36257851Naacha the Crocodile, and Bruin the Bear in our most recent test.
>>36257842Sir Bruin Ourson the Mighty of Champagne did.>>36257851And the second.
>>36257742>Jeremiah trys to warn Sven about her, but eventually ends up as his best man at the wedding He gets creeped out when the Best Lady, Ice anna, hits on him
>>36257832I asked because someone brought in a bear with heavy armor and metal claws that were OP
>>36257880Oh, please! Aurora Borealis takes up some much room, can't we just have a little section for it? Please, please, please with a mutilated wizard on top?
>>36257908+3 weapons and Heavy armor on a high Robustness character making them tough-ass wreckers of shit isn't a bug, you know. It's a design feature.
>>36257975Normally I'd agree with you, but Bears already get +2 to Brawl and +2 to Robustness naturally anyway. Beast characters are not generally supposed to use equipment.
>>36257964Patience, lad. At this rate, we'll be at the expansions by December, and then a whole new world of opportunity will open up
>>36257964The expansions, friend. Be patient and await the expansions.
>>36257975yes, but add that to a bear with 14 ROBUSTNESS, a natural Brawling buff, and a high Brawling skill, and you get OP
>>36258001We'll get many new fantastic points of view.
>>36258008Yeah, Bruin probably would have tanked the entire scouting team by himself if he was alone
>>36258021Yo, Pirate Monkey, you should hand out your Skype to folks interested in character creation in case they need a helping hand.
>>36257997Fair enough. Back to the drawing.....now what part of the world would be interesting for a sea-faring, self-proclaimed prince to hail from? Polynesia? Brazil? The Ivory Coast?
Does anyone intend on making a new thread? I don't mind starting so long as I know what's meant to go into the opening post.
>>36258070The Carribean.How is that even a question? He's GOTTA be a pirate prince.
>>36258070Either Neverland, as a former cabin's boy, or teh Carribean.
>>36258068Why me? Just curious.Hell, that's the first character I've made.
>>36258098>>36258093>>36258070Or on the Pirate Monkey boat if you want to make him a dinosaurjust sayin'
>>36258068It's not like i'm right here, or anything. Seriously, just 'bin or google doc your sheet and i'll take a look.
>>36258112I'll trust anyone with a name like 'Pirate Monkey', and your responses have been pretty quick,
>>36258093Carribean's overdone, I want something more exotic. You're right about piracy though.>check World Map>EITC all over Polynesia>so many opportunities to get up in their shit>so much loot to be plunderedIt's decided then.
New thread before death when?>>36258157We don't have a single pirate PC, to my knowledge.
>>36258134Well, I only picked that name because I'm the anon who fleshed out Jack the Pirate Monkey and wrote his KLR.However, what I come up with is way more on the fluffy side. If you want help, Nob is probably a better choice.
New thread: >>36258251
NEW THREAD:>>36258273Sorry if I've neglected any updates.
>>36258267>>36258290>simultaneous threadsIT'S HAPPENING
>>36258267Ha! Sorry there Nob! I jumped the gun!
>>36258313No worries. I waited rather too long; just let the other thread fall off, it should die soon enough.