Welcome to the XXVII installment of "Disney Villains Victorious."Disney Villains Victorious is a new /tg/ homebrew project based on the idea of a world, not entirely unlike our own, in which all the villains from all the Disney animated feature films were not defeated at the ends of their movies but were instead victorious, completing their goals in part or in whole.It is a world in which Ursula rules the seas, defied only by the uncatchable Pirate Lords, the cutthroat merchants of the East India Trading Company and the might of Atlantis and its magitech-toting mercenaries. It is a world where the grasslands and jungles and forests are prowled not only by fearsome primal beasts like Shere Kahn and Scar but also by the ruthless, tireless hunters that stalk them. It is a world where Europe has been divvied up between evil sorcerous monarchs like Maleficent, the Horned King, Grimhilde and Jafar, mad, inquisitorial clergymen like Frollo, and Dark Gods like Hades and Chernobog.It is not, however, a world completely devoid of courage, heroism or hope. Around the world, the PCs' characters and their allies plot and plan, fight and strive and win their own victories against the villains that would rule them. The time to fight and to be free is now.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+Victorioushttp://1d4chan.org/wiki/Disney_Villains_VictoriousAssembled pastebins:King/Land/Rule: http://pastebin.com/Z8wFJrhhClass roles: http://pastebin.com/fj58NSYMXP: http://pastebin.com/61Je2agNBeast Species: http://pastebin.com/ZNVPBJWjSetting Traits: http://pastebin.com/8RRbwMQTTRAITS: http://pastebin.com/uHCXg4EVPOWERS:http://pastebin.com/pQDDqisUGeneric Traits: http://pastebin.com/MZwvGsyXLore & Fluff: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qj_IIuF_rqh_F2L-SeYn-dBiwDTtwWFpnbcXyfcgeE8DA RULEZ: http://pastebin.com/8zqBfdN2First Playtest: http://pastebin.com/Vy1E0sHB
Glad to see that the new thread is up everyone.
>>36209159Next thread we should remove these three pastebins:Class roles: http://pastebin.com/fj58NSYMXP: http://pastebin.com/61Je2agNDA RULEZ: http://pastebin.com/8zqBfdN2They are already in the 1d4chan page, where they are also better written and more up to date.
Wow, this looks neat.
>I have tracking of all sorts disabled through a bunch of fucking around with firefox and plugins>This still is the first ad that popped up on PastebinThey're watching me.
So are there any games of this going on?
>>36209317Clearly, Disney is trying to send you a message.
>>36209338We're in the playtesting phase now. We've run a first playtest and the second one is being run on Tuesday, and at least three people have run real-life games with their various groups, but we probably won't be playing any official games until we get and process the second playtest (Which will probably be where we move into beta).
>>36209351Is that message>gib me money plz?
>>36209317Google is always watching you. Just hope that they never forward anything you do to the NSA.
>>36209388With Disney, it usually is.
>>36209317You haven't exactly been trying to hide it.
>>36209489I guess you could say that I was bad at... Concealing it?
>>36209515ANd bad at not feeling it, and you let them know.So now they know...Please don't continue from this point. That song is at least a year old and people still haven't gotten over it. It's not even that good.
>>36209515The way you say that makes me think that's a pun but for the life of me I can't figure out what it is.
From the last thready>>36209182I think I get what you're saying. It's not about the shape of the continents, its more that the map looks too cold and clinical for Disney, right?I think its safe to say that once we hammer out everything and make a finalized world we can probably get a drawfag to make a more stylized one; but as it stands now Dread Cartographer is still making periodic edits to the borders, so ease of editing is more important than looking good.
>>36209555It has something to do with Frozen being the highest-grossing animated film of all time.
>>36209555Quick! Everyone, make five different versions of Let it Go about Google finding out about Sverd's recent interest in Frozen!
>>36209595Probably. Why, though? Disney's made better films.
>>36209630Because everyone has been Elsa at some point. LCD
>>36209630u talkin smack
>>36209665I guess that's right.>>36209675Let It Go a shit, Friends on the Other Side stronk.
I got a new trait idea>Quick! Name 4 things that aren't...When using improvised weapons in combat, you receive a +1 on melee/ranged chance depending on how the item is used.
>>36209736With the "Depending on how the item is used" it makes it so variable in its application that it really doesn't mean much. If it all comes down to the DM to decide if you're using it right to get the bonus, why not just leave it as an optional side-bar rule?Something like. "Characters using improvised weaponry may get a +1 if they are using it similarly to a real weapon that they are proficient with"
>>36209586Understood. So we finish up everything else before we worry about the map. Also, we wouldn't happen to have any drawfriends lurking in these threads, would we?Seems like it'd be cool to see some of these ideas sketched out, like the Atlantean hybrid tech, maybe some alternate designs for heroes/villains, etc.
>>36210086I don't think we have any drawfags. We have a bunch of great writefags and number-crunchers, though.
>>36209736Money PouchNecktieBroomJackie Chan AdvenDAMN IT!
>>36210243I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE!
>>36210243[Low buzzing noise]
>>36210313>>36210385I don't get it.
Last thread we decided on a 3d6+Agility Initiative system by popular vote.Additonally, we decided that Charming characters would get Charm instead of Agility in place of +Action because that's pretty retarded broken.I've also come to the conclusion after discussion in the last thread that we either need to majorly buff music or come up with some better stuff for the Charming character, because at the moment all they have is social combat+music.We also decided that Attacker gets priority over defender, so on a tie the Attacker scores a strike.Mooks are having defense be bumped to 22. Bosses either need piles of strikes or can only be defeated via clever maneuvering. We have five tiers of villains, with King at the top as their own special tier.In my opinion, Kings should almost universally require a special method to defeat them. Some, like Roarke and Ratcliffe, should be defeatable in person but have their entire army standing in between you and them, whereas others like Facilier and Hades are literal beings of godlike power.Thoughts? I'm also interested in other people's opinion of the playtest. More eyes are better in this case.
>>36211255I thought that after King, we had God for really tough kings and Godslayer for Walt, the Firebird and Cherrybomb?
>>36211255Any thoughts on defeating Slim?
>>36211255>we decided that Charming characters would get Charm instead of AgilityI think that already fixes their problems: they use one attribute instead of two>We also decided that Attacker gets priority over defender, so on a tie the Attacker scores a strike.What about the other ties? Like Insight versus Stealth?>Mooks are having defense be bumped to 22Seems a bit high, I would say 20>Kings should almost universally require a special method to defeat themAgreed, all big villains should be have an achilles heel
>>36211255>Fighting Rourke in the first placeheresyBut yeah, I think we should totally start brainstorming special ways to defeat the Kings. Some are pretty self-evident, like making Facilier break his promise, but then we have people like Frollo who are more difficult. How would one beat Maleficent or Jafar in combat?
>>36211384I also remember that, yeahhere >>36202601>>36202687
>>36211384Wait, Walt Disney is apart of the setting? Is he going to be the Tom Bombadil?
>>36211418>I think that already fixes their problems: they use one attribute instead of twoI understand that Charisma maybe underpowered, but letting someone use Charisma instead of Agility is really huge.
>>36211255I for one was happy that I was able to contribute significantly despite have no relevant traits and skills. I guess that's a plus.
>>36211490Walt Disney is the God above God and Chernabog. Wheras God is a physical being in the universe, Walt is the overlord above all of it.
We should implement some kind of system that allows for Hero-level, and, to a lesser degree, On-A-Roll tier heroes to deal with incredible amounts of mooks relatively quickly. As it stands, fighting 100 or so mooks as would be pretty common by high levels would take FOREVER because each character can only take out two a round. Maybe when facing only mooks (And maybe lackeys), higher-tier heroes get a bunch more actions?
>>36211411Defeating slim himself is easy -- while dodgy, he's not much of a fighter compared to the heroes themselves when they come after him. His hypnotized beasts, on the other hand...>>36211384>>36211384Maybe? Stats-wise they'd be different but for intents and purposes it means 'the ruler of this section of ruined earth.'>>36211418We did 20 defense. The average attacker literally could not miss unless they rolled all ones.>>36211509>>36211418>CharmingUsing Charisma instead of Agility is very, very strong, yes. It's replacing the even more retardedly powerful +an action to make a Social strike, which if poorly implemented would break the combat system over it's beautiful knees. However, it was pointed out last thread that all a Charismatic character can really do is use Persuade, Deceit, and Music as compared to other character's much wider skillsets.>>36211546I think that's right, but IIRC we're on the fence as to whether or not he actually exists in the universe or is more a force heroes call upon in times of need, like people praying for gods help.
>>36211613maybe give them actions that can only be used on mooks?
>>36211631But 22 is more than the average character dodge. 10,5+8+3=21.And what if we do this >>36211641 for charisma characters? They get that extra actions but only against mooks? So they could be the ones that do crowd control.
>>36211698The average combat character will have a dodge of 9+11+4+3 at the very first encounter, making their average defense a 27.
>>36211698>They get that extra actions but only against mooks? So they could be the ones that do crowd control.I like it. It also makes sense that the guy that sings can affect more people than the guy with a sword
>>36211536Well, I apologize but I couldn't find a way to work an injun chief into the story. You did play him very well given the circumstances, though. Obviously in a real game the GM should sit down the players and tell them what's going on in the game so that they can design a character around it. >>36211641>>36211432Break Frollo's faith in God -- perhaps bring him proof that Chernabog has supplanted God?Jafar: This is difficult. Some sort of occult-based check would work to break his magic in some way.Maleficent: She has the same weaknesses that all Fae have, she's just impossibly strong and incredibly powerful. >>3621169822 may be more than average for character dodge, but the average character was at +15 to hit. It's still likely that you will successfully dodge. What I'm saying is that we need more traits that give bonuses to Prevent Harm, or we need less traits that give bonuses to various kinds of attack rolls.>>36211698>>36211613I'd say an easy way to do this (other than allowing Hero-tier characters to just sweep crowds with a trait or something) would be to have any group of mooks over size twenty to be just one creature that has multiple strikes and high defenses to represent a large number of people. But crowd rules are usually a pain.
>>36211641This is a good idea I think, but it'd have to be done for all characters, not just charismatic ones.So maybe +2 actions against mooks only at on-a-roll and +4 at hero? That'd give 8 mooks taken out with all hits per-character, that's suitably strong for Heroes.>>36211769Nob's idea on it is quite good to. Also, convincing Frollo that Chernabog has indeed taken God's role would be super-difficult, but that could work.
>>36211753>It also makes sense that the guy that sings can affect more people than the guy with a swordYeah, there's also that. Perfect.>>36211737How?>>36211769>Jafar: This is difficult. Some sort of occult-based check would work to break his magic in some way.Steal the lamp.>>36211769we need less traits that give bonuses to various kinds of attack rolls.maybe make them not stack together.
Archive Anon here, just warning everyone that I'm turning in early from monitoring the thread as I've been feeling like shit today. Haven't contributed to the threads like I wanted to, so, my apologies. Just wanted to let you know that I won't be able to archive the thread once the time comes, and I hope that someone will be able to.Keep on doing good work, and have a great night.
>>36211805>22 may be more than average for character dodge, but the average character was at +15 to hitIsn't that super high?
>>36211857+10 from attribute, +3-4 from their skill in the weapon, +2 from (insert random trait here).
>>36211857Maybe they all took a 12 in their main attribute.
>>36211857Nope. Sverd is an purposely unoptimized character that I split between combat and music/persuasion and was still rolling with a +21 bonus against the average mook.
>>36211769No worries. Like I said, we needed to see how a fish out of water would perform anyways.
>>36211890Oh, okWell, if they took a trait just to be good at hitting stuff, maybe they should be good at hitting stuff.>>36211907Maybe it's broken traits. How do you get to +21?
>>36211933Nope.11 Robust + 6 Melee + 2 from weapon with no shield + 2 from Not on my watch! = 21
>>36211907>3d6+21Sheeeit, then why does a mook get a 22in defense? This system is getting fucked up
>>36211971Well, Sverd is pretty damn good at melee. The average character was rolling +15, because they were ranged which has a lot of bonuses over melee combat.
>>3621195511 is high, that's half the point you get, 6 is the max in the skill, a big weapon and a +2 from the trait means you specialize in hitting. What if someone doesn't specialize this much? I think mooks should stil be easy to it for unoptimized characters, or they should be called mooks. Mooks sound like they should be easy to defeat.
>>36211971>>36211955See, now this is why we did a playtest. Now we know that its pretty damn easy to make it almost impossible to miss a mook.
>>36212005Don't they get the same bonus? I thought bows and crossbows were actually underpowered, and guns only get one more than a knife. Seems kinda weak.
>>36212033The average character dodges with 10,5+10+3. That's still impossible to miss. Do mooks have armor?
>>36212098What's a mook attack bonus? Maybe they hit a lot
>>36212022Mooks ARE easy to defeat.If you don't take a single point in any combat skill, no point in robustness or agility and tried to punch to knock out a mook, you'd have a +6 bonus. You'd need to roll a 16 to knock him out.If you took two points in agility, a ranged weapon and one point in Ranged, your bonus becomes +13. An average roll would knock out a mook.
>>362121392/3 mooks that shot at me hit, wearing medium armor, 11 robustness and having a +4 to prevent harm.Every shot aimed at our support (3 in total) hit easily.It's both easy to hit and get hit.
>>36212139+11?>>36212145>An average roll would knock out a mook.Too high, then: mook should be easy to hit for everyone. Mooks are supposed to be cannon fodder.
>>36212207Ok>>36212187How can they hit so much with a +11? Don't you 26 or 27 in defense?
>>36212207That's if you have ZERO focus on combat.The average non-combat character will have at least 10 in their main stat, a +5 bonus to their combat skill and a +1 weapon, coming out to a +16 bonus at minimum. The average combat-focused character will have at least a +18. Sverd's bonus against characters that aren't actively trying to hurt innocent people is +19, which is solely average based of other combat characters.
>>36212249My prevent harm was a little bigger than their attack, but they rolled slightly higher than me two out of three times.
>>36212270But what if you are not optimized? 5 in a skill a lot, and maybe people are not using weapons but social strikes. +13 sounds like a normal attack bonus. needing a 9 on 3d6 to defeat a mook is a lot.
>>36212321They have +11 to hit, you have +17 to defend and the roll is a bellcurve. That's very unlucky
>>362123469 on 3d6 is significantly common, roughly 60% of the time.>>36212249The mooks rolled very high: 6-6-5 and 6-5-5 while he rolled poorly.>>36212187It's good to note that the boss was the one shooting at Support, and he had HUGE bonuses to ranged thanks to I'll Take You All On!
>>36211631I think he might be glimpsed occasionally, through avatars of sorts.Yen Sid, for instance.
>>362123989 on 3d6 is significantly common, roughly 60% of the time.See? You can't miss a mook 60% of the time, that's not a mook. You don't see random guards dodge the protagonist half the time in a Disney movie.>The mooks rolled very high: 6-6-5 and 6-5-5 while he rolled poorly.You can't make a system based on "that time that mook rolled super high".
>>36212346+13 is not a normal attack bonus.It is the normal combat bonus for a sensible or smart guy with no focus on combat.Here were the bonuses from our group against a perfectly average mook:Me (Strong): +19Bruce (Sensible): +14Jeremiah (Nimble): +19Naacha (Alligator): +15Hannah (Charming): + 14
>>36212481Keep in mind that Hannah had only 9 in charming and 4 in music.
>Additonally, we decided that Charming characters would get Charm instead of Agility in place of +Action because that's pretty retarded broken.Fuck, that's even more broken! You have 5 main stats and one class can use 1 instead of 2?That's retarded.Why not give them something less stupid?
>>36212509How is that retarded? He still needs good Agility or Robustness for Prevent Harm, and good Sensibility/Robustness for Endure. I think you haven't read up enough on this system.>>36212464+9 is if a weakling with no actual training swings with an improvised weapon, or someone who has never held a gun before takes a shot at someone.
>>36212481>>36212504I thought we were making a system for people that didn't like optimization. 3d6+8+3 should be normal and still get to hit a mook fairly often>>36212509We said they should get the extra action, but only against mooks >>36211641
>>36212542>>36212509I should clarify that Charm instead of Agility is only on initiative, which is where your confusion may be coming from.
>>36212554Jesus christ you're refusing to listen.NO ONE is optimizing. You have to be making an active effort to make a totally fucking useless character to get a combat bonus below +13. For an unoptimized combat character, the average bonus would be +18, and roughly 14-15 for a non-combat character.
>>36212542>He still needs good AgilityNo he doesn't, you moron: you literally just said that they use Charm instead of Agility, so they don't need Agility.>>36212554Literally anything is better than using one stat instead of two
>>36212600>calling nob a moron>when you can't read
>>36212594Oh. You should have said so, then.>>362125988 in the Attribute + 3 in the Skill, thats +11. Sorry if I'm playing a system based on Disney movies and I'd like to not focus on combat but still but useful against fucking mooks. What, it's unrealistic?
>>36212664I did say so. You just weren't paying attention.Also; you only have eight in your primary fucking attribute? And no traits or even a weapon if you're not doing Social? What are you doing?
>>36212631>What is: he made a mistake and it took him one hour to correct it.And that's even worse: so now he only gets a small bonus to initiative?
>>36212664If you take 8 in Robustness/Agility and 1 point in a combat skill with no weapon and expect to be useful in any sort of combat, you're crazy.It's like rolling up a non-magic character in D&D with 6 Con, 7 Dex and no weapons and then complaining when you can't fight.
>>36212713A charming character should have at least 9 Charm because otherwise what's the point? then he's getting +9 to his Initiative. I was under the impression that people had paid attention to the last thread, where we had discussed this extensively. My apologies.
>>36212706No, you didn't say that. You said it here>>36212594. >>36212713 is right, that's late.>>36212706Playing a game made for min-maxers, apparently. Sorry for expecting Disney instead of D&D.>>36212719It's like I didn't want another D&D
>>36212769If his Agility is 6 he's getting an extra +3 to Intiative, not a lot for a class power. Why not just do the extra action against mooks instead of more math.
>>36212774Whe did these threads turn to everyone arguing with the same two namefags? If we had a lot of cool material going on, but now the thing is dying because the super namefag friends are doing everything themselves and shutting down everyone else.
>>36212859I didn't want to be the one to say it, but Nob, you're getting unbearable. You can't just jump in and say we should do it your way because fuck it, you're the boss.I also don't like Charm to Initiative: what the fuck is the point?
>>36212774Good lord.Let me break it down for you since you seem to be too retarded to understand this otherwise.Strong guy: By taking primarily skills related to being athletic and fit, the AVERAGE, NON-MINMAXING WHY DO YOU KEEP FUCKING SAYING THIS NO ONE IS POWERGAMING player will come out to a +18 bonus for melee, or a +16 for brawl.Nimble guy: By taking primarily skills related to being quick, acrobatic and nimble, the average player will come out to a +18 bonus for ranged combat.Sensible guy: By taking a variety of out-of-combat useful skills, such as Insight, stealth, and travel the average player will come out to a +14 bonus in melee or ranged as a secondary purpose.Smart guy: By taking out-of-combat useful skills, such as Occult, Driving and Mechanics, the average player will come out to a +14 bonus in melee or ranged as a secondary purpose.Charismatic guy: By taking social skills such as Music and Persuasion, the average player will come out to a +16 bonus to social combat.>>36212859This is the first time I've ever argued in any thread.
Oh, phooey. Here we go with the crunch arguments again.
For the sake of this whole minion difficulty discussion, combat stats of every human character I've yet written:Black Knight (Strong Guy)+20/+22 Melee (11 Robustness+6 skill+3 greatsword/+2 None Shall Pass)+21/+23 Prevent Harm (11 Robustness+4 skill+3 No Luck For The Tough+3 Heavy Armor/+2 None Shall Pass)Green Knight (Smart Guy)+11 Melee (7 Robustness+3 skill+1 longsword)+13 Prevent Harm (7 Robustness+3 skill+2 Medium armor+1 shield)Blue Knight (Nimble Guy)+13/+15 Melee (8 Robustness+4 skill+1 longsword/+2 Superior Speed)+19/+21 Prevent Harm (12 Agility+5 skill+1 Light armor+1 shield/+2 Superior Speed)Red Knight (Charming Guy)+12 Melee (8 Robustness+3 skill+1 longsword)+14 Prevent Harm (8 Robustness+3 skill+2 Medium armor+1 shield)White Knight (Sensible Guy)+11 Melee (7 Robustness+3 skill+1 longsword)+14 Prevent Harm (7 Robustness+4 skill+2 Medium armor+1 shield)The Right Honorable Judge Dread (Sensible Guy)Brawl 13 (10 Robustness+3 skill)Ranged 16 (7 Agility+3 skill+6 shotgun)Prevent Harm 15 (10 Robustness+3 skill+1 light armor+1 badge-shield)Bruce "Dances With Antelope" Smith (Sensible Guy)+12 Melee (8 Robustness+3 skill+1 Hunting knife)+14 Ranged (8 Agility+3 skill+3 Rifle)+12 Prevent Harm (8 Robustness+3 skill+1 Buckskin)Crazy Hassan7 Robustness and Agility and no combat skills or equipment, so its all +7
>>36212935>By taking primarily skills related to being athletic and fit, the AVERAGE, NON-MINMAXING WHY DO YOU KEEP FUCKING SAYING THIS NO ONE IS POWERGAMING player will come out to a +18 bonus for melee, or a +16 for brawl.How? Because 11 in an attribute is a lot, +6 in a skill is a lot, that's exactly what power gaming is. What if I don't want to put EVERYTHING is one stat and instead play the strong guy who's also charismatic? Do I have to suck even against mooks because of it?
>>36213021IIRC, it's pretty impossible to suck against mooks.
>>36213021The majority of combat characters I've seen have 12 in their primary attribute, some have 11, not many have 10. I'm literally fucking playing the strong guy who's charismatic, jesus christ. My bonus to Music and Persuade is +15. That's THREE less than my bonus to melee. The literal existence of my character proves your argument has no ground.
>>36212998All these knights but one would have problems reliably defeating mooks with their swords. A PC should have to roll 11 on 3d6 just to hit a mook. Mooks are not supposed to be this problematic, even fpr unoptimized characters.
>>36212806>EXTRA ACTIONAction economy is a thing. This snaps it over a Charming knee.>>36212920I'm sorry you feel that way. Charm to Initiative is so that Charming characters don't suffer from MAD (Multi-Attribute Dependence) more than any other character. Most characters have multiple things they can do, but at the moment Charming characters only really do the skills Persuade, Music, and Deceit well.>>36213021Let's assume you have 9 in an attribute. Any attribute, really. All attributes but Intelligence have an attack method to be used, which is okay because Intelligence is used for like 75% of all skills. Unless you put only points in intelligence and just dump all your stats into Intelligence, leaving the rest to waste, you'll be competent at defeating Mooks. >>36213097All fo those knights hit on 11 or less. what are you talking about/
>>36213088You put half your points in one stat, max out a skill and take a trait to improve your attack bonus. That's a combat character. What if I want to use my traits to make an interesting character, instead of taking Weapon Focus, because duh, that's how you play a fighter in D&D?>>36213061+8+3+1 and I need a 10 to hit them. Mooks should easier to hit.
>>362130972 have to roll 11,1 has to roll 10, and 1 has to roll 9. The average roll is 9.5, so I'd say they can take down mooks with reasonable consistency.
>>36213156>What if I want to use my traits to make an interesting character, instead of taking Weapon Focus, because duh, that's how you play a fighter in D&D?Traits, powers, all the skill points and stat points you didn't put into combat skills and stats.
>>36213156Naacha here, while I found hitting mooks easy enough, you do have a point.
>>36213146>All fo those knights hit on 11 or less. what are you talking about/That's the problem. this way a PC should roll 11 to hit a mook. That's too high.>Charm to Initiative is so that Charming characters don't suffer from MAD (Multi-Attribute Dependence) more than any other characterIt's immersion breaking and it's too litle. An extra actions only usable against mooks wouldn't break the economy: mooks alway go down by the dozen in Disney movies.
>>36213222You do realize the average roll is 9.5, no, sorry, 10.5, right?
>>36213157I shouldn't miss half the time against a mook! That's not Disney, that's "optimize or get the fuck out" edition.
>>36213260Yes, that's the problem: you get 11 only half the times. You shouldn't miss a FUCKING mook half the time! That's not what the word means!
>>36213156You've moved goalposts so many times it's almost comical.>Why can't I make a character who's utter shit in physical and social combat with 12 in sensibility and intelligence but still can defeat everyone just as well as the fighter, bard and archer?>Because if you make a character that's so utterly shit in combat it voids every single rule we've written to make combat accessible to every character that's your problem>But my 6 robustness, 6 agility character who's never touched a weapon in his life should be able to beat mooks just as easily as the battle-hardened cowboy and warrior who's been training all his life!>That's retarded.>Your character is just a powergaming piece of shit who's not interesting and from D&D! I want to play a strong guy who also somehow has shit combat skills and no ability to fight! Everyone who actually puts skills into reasonable places is just a OPTIMIZER!>Actually, my character with a +19 combat bonus is one above the average bonus and has a +15 to charisma skills, so the 'strong guy who is also charismatic' you described is not only viable, but already done.>SHUT UP D&D POWERGAMING OPTIMIZING PIECE OF SHIT IT'S MY RIGHT TO MAKE A TERRIBLE CHARACTER AND SKILL BE GREAT AT EVERYTHINGKind of an 'I AM SILLY' I know, but this is the closet to that actual argument occurring in real life I've ever seen.
>>36213220>>36213265>>36213288I don't really know the system you're all working on and I don't want to interrupt anything, but thess guys have a point: missing a mook half the time is a lot. You shouldn't need optimization just to kill one mook.
>>36213288>>36213361You miss a mook half the time if;You have less than average in the trait you're attacking with,You're not using a weapon (because Defense is lower for Social attacks than physical due to Prevent Harm being different from Endure)You have no skill in the method you're talking about or are only barely skilled in it,And nobody is using Music in your entire party.>>36213265This is for literally a starting character. Not a character with a modicum of experience fighting the FORCES OF EVIL, a character taking a swing at a soldier with a table leg. The problem with the old system is that you literally could not miss -- Our character who was worst at dealing Strikes was at +14 to hit, and Defense was at 17-18.
Random fluff question even though this is a crunch thread:Is the EITC allied with the Pirate Lords or not? They appear on the map of the Seven Seas, so I'm not entirely sure.
>>36213408ah, nm. I found the faction sheet.
>>36213408They are not. They consider the pirates criminals and the pirates consider them their primary targets. They just happen to hold domination over one of the seven seas.
>>36213372>>36213345I just want to play in a Disney game where I can focus on stuff outside of combat but still be able to his ONE FUCKING MOOK at least one time out of two. That's seems reasonable to me: they are mooks, they should come by the dozen.But no, please, keep going, straw man harder and just do whatever you want with a collaborative game on an anonymous board where everything is apparently decided by the same namefag.
I'm fine with mooks, but I still want something more for Charming Guys: a bonus to initiative is just sad. Why not the extra action against mooks? They suck and everyone can alway hit them, tight? So why not make it faster for someone to take them down? I'm not the first that seems to like it.
>>36213463>>36213372>>36213345Okay, can we try to calm down and work out a compromise here?Oh wait this is 4chan.
>>36213463I don't see why you can't understand that that's not only possible but has already been done MULTIPLE TIMES.Look at Bruce - non-combat character (Sensible Guy) who has primarily social and sensiblity-based skills, with two points in agility and one point in ranged. +14 bonus, hit every Mook.You fucking CAN play as a character almost entirely focused on out-of-combat stuff and still be useful in combat, I don't know why you keep retardedly insisting you can't.
>>36213534Didn't we make a poll last time? It worked out well and stopped the screaming, so let's just do that again.
>>36213582Should work.I emphasize the word "should."
>>36213582One for mooks defence or one for Charisma Guy power?
>>36213614Both, I guess, even if the mook question seems ridiculous
Okay, I'm going to stop replying to the troll and put this out there; If we keep defense at 18 there'll be no point to playing any character who has even a remote focus on combat because it'll be literally impossible to miss if you attack with anything but your weakest stat.>>36213582Charisma Guy power? As long as it's not +action it should work.
>>36213463>I just want to play in a Disney game where I can focus on stuff outside of combat but still be able to his ONE FUCKING MOOK at least one time out of two.You can.How was this not made clear?
>>36213463If you don't go out of your way to make a character that sucks at combat, you'll hit half time. Quit your bitching.
>>36213704Half the time against MOOKS. That's bad.
>>36213704Don't respond to him, he's trolling. No one is this intentionally stupid.
>>36213789For a starting character it's just fine. Your bonuses are only going to go up, and as you advance through the tiers you get to roll 4d6 then 5d6, shifting your average up 3.5 each time. In no time you'll be blazing through mooks.Besides, if everyone hit mooks all the time, what would the point of making a combat-focused character be?
A quick poll so that we can move to things that are actually important instead of making the repetitive and awful argument that TN22 somehow makes it impossible for non-combat focused characters to be useful in combat.http://www.strawpoll.me/3007476
>>36213860You could fight seriously against serious enemies?
>>36213891Cauldronborn are mooks, IIRC. Are they not serious enemies?
>>36213891No one can be this retarded.Why are you even on /tg/?
>>36213884No TN 18? No, that's cool, keep doing it your way.
>>36213918TN18 makes it so that literally anyone can hit a mook unless the roll all ones.
>>36213891The only serious enemies we have are Villains, who are boss monsters and generally have more of a puzzle-way to beat them rather than just chewing through their dozens of Strikes -- take a look at the Playtest, even a non-combat character can drop four strikes in a single turn.>>36212964Well, we had to do it eventually if we wanted something done. Can't just speculate about fluff forever.>>36213918TN18 is nearing trivial difficulty. A person with an incredible weakness in that stat (6 in the attribute) and no training, equipment or skills could succeed 40% of the time.
>>36213918You're still butthurt that we refused to let the setting turn into another pile of generic Tolkienisms, aren't you? That's why you keep shitting up these threads.
>>36213884No, I want a poll for the Charisma Guy's power.Bonus to Initiative against Extra Action against Mooks is only serious question here.
>>36213704In fact, some enemies will either be immune to melee strikes, or you'll need to actually talk someone into doing something that they at first refuse to do. For example, trying to kill Elsa would almost surely result in your icy death. Even at Hero tier.On a semi-related note, I'm of the opinion that the first two Pirates of the Caribbean movies should go exactly as they had. Barbossa got exactly what he wanted: freedom from the curse. The only things that happened differently was Beckett did not order Davy Jones to kill the Kraken, and Will, Elizabeth and Barbossa failed to get Jack back from the Locker. I think this ties up things quite well unless I'm missing something huge.
>>36213948>The only serious enemies we have are VillainsWait a fucking moment, we have, like, six or seven kinds of enemies. Nob, stop ignoring everyone else here.>>36211384>>36211457Also, charm guys power: I'd rather get the extra Move for social rolls against mooks.
>>36214003By 'Villains' I'm pretty sure he meant sub-bosses up to Chernabog.
>>36214003Yeah, and they don't start getting serious until Villain tier.
>>36213614>>36213649>>36213955>>36214003Can we just do the poll for the power? Because talking about the mooks' defence is clealy retarded: no one want to hit all the time.
>>36214034Lackies and The Inner Circle sound serious. Inner Circle, at least.
>>36214056Yeah, looks like TN22 wins, thankfully.If it sucks in playtest #2 (Which I really doubt having a non-combat character being occasionally able to miss would kill the game) we'll look at difficulty again.Onto the bigger one.http://www.strawpoll.me/3007517
>>36214056Yes, but they're mooks.We need some mathfags on this to work out the statistics.
On using Social attacks against Mooks; So far I ruled it in the playtest to only work against one mook at a time to prevent Social from absolutely destroying combat. Should hitting a group of mooks with a speech be a power?>>36214109I'm pretty sure we've done this multiple times now.
>>36214109Average roll on 3d6 is 10.5 The rest is obvious from there.
>>36214122>On using Social attacks against Mooks; So far I ruled it in the playtest to only work against one mook at a time to prevent Social from absolutely destroying combat. Should hitting a group of mooks with a speech be a power?No, that's what the Extra Action against mooks is for.
>>36214122Nah, that'd make Charisma-focused characters really powerful.Maybe Charisma attacks could have the potential to cause a ripple effect, where a significant amount over causes more mooks to surrender?
>>36214127>>36214122>>36214109In fact, let me post this to remove all ambiguity.
Catalogue's up to date.I might need a separate doc just for the songs eventually.
>>36214189You missed 'Unworthy of your love' from the last thread.
>>36214122>Should we give him one more social action to use against mook?>No, that's crazy! Let's give him area attacks against them!
>>36214167So when a person has Attribute+Skill+Trait=11/12, you should be able to strike a mook about half the time.
Do we have a beta test PDF so far or are we working from the pastebin?
>>36214245Still in Alpha. We need more playtesting and tweaking before we move to beta and then the final product.
>>36214245We're working from 1d4chan, which has the most up-to-date rules. PDF making will come when we actually make it into beta.>>36214237I mean as an On-A-Roll or Hero power, when heroes should be destroying groups of mooks anyway.
If we had anyone with artistic talent, we could make a nice-looking character sheet. Maybe we can recruit someone from the Drawthread at some point.
>>36214279>Should hitting a group of mooks with a speech be a power?You should be more clear when you make suggestions, then.
>>36214243Yes, which isn't hard to get.
So, extra move for social rolls against mooks it is?
>>36214279Did we ever formally decide on how to make on-a-roll and Hero-tier characters roll through mooks without lasting a billion turns? Maybe we could make rolls that are significantly enough over take down multiple mooks as well, and make the benefit to social attacks easier to get.
The kings and queens failures should be simaler to their shortcomings in the films, but not obvious>facilier must be given a bad deal somehow>frollo must realize his own corruption for 1 moment>rourke must be fought on his own/get him to abandon his allies
>>36214352The people have spoken.Now that all the arguing is done, does anyone want a song written?
>>36214352Looks like it. I'll edit the 1d4chan page to match. Should we include using music offensively?>>36214364No, which is why I suggested that power -- so that Social characters could disperse a crowd when they get higher levels. Making it so that rolls that are significantly over could work, but we'd need to distinguish it from the "Ten over is two strikes" rule.
>>36214378>Jafar must be convinced to bite off more than he can swallow
>>36214378No, Frollo must feel fear for the fate of his immortal soul.
>>36214380If you wouldn't mind a rendition of "What's This?" for the Shadowlands from a Pride Lands point of view?
>>36214467From a pride lands point of view? What do you mean? As in, sung by Scar who's in the Shadowlands for no discernible reason?
>>36214438thats what i meantthe gargoyle that roared at him never actually did, he just freaked the fuck out because it was about to crack making him look back at his own life. he saw his coruption fo one second and screamed for eternity
Okay, it took a while to make, but here's Jack the Monkey's KLR. It's my first one, so feel free to sound off:King: Captain Jack The Monkey, Pirate Lord of the Near Eastern Seas - Ghostly Trickster. After Barbossa and his crew spilled Will Turner’s blood on the Aztec gold, they were now free to spend it. Unbeknownst to the pirates, however, Barbossa’s pet Jack the monkey stole a piece of the Aztec treasure for himself, giving him the undead immortality the crew of the Black Pearl formerly possessed. Time passed, and Barbossa noticed his monkey’s unnaturally long life and frightening cunning. When he found out the truth, he was so amused that he decided to buy his pet a pirate ship of his own, dubbed the Chasing Million (or “The Mil” for short,), and a sum of gold to make his own way. Barbossa had no idea what he had unleashed. Jack the Monkey’s name soon became known among the corsairs of the world for both his cunning and resiliency and his singular crew—the mates of his pirate ship are all animals, ranging from the mundane to the absurd. Similarly, Jack the Monkey’s primary business is largely with the inhabitants of the Beastly realms—be they good or evil—though will deal with humans if the price is high enough. That said, he delights in making fools out of humans and Beasts alike, and is notorious for his organized “raids” of large-scale pickpocketing of coastal settlements. His might got to such an extent that he managed to earn the title of Pirate Lord of the Indian Ocean. His proximity to the Eastern India Trading Company and The Elite Global Huntsman’s Club ensures that he maintains a brisk business, as well as entertaining rivals to baffle and enrage in equal terms.
>>36214364Let's jus say that on a roll tier characters can apply the same attack roll to 5 mooks, and that hero tier character can apply the same attack roll to 10 mooks. So, zero level hits or misses one, on a roll level hits or misses five, hero level hits or misses ten.
>>36214492Nah, just by someone from there.
>>36214510Land: Captain Jack’s waters extend over a good portion of the West African, Middle Eastern and Asian coasts, and can be found active anywhere from the Red Sea to Dino Island’s northern coast to Shere Khan’s realm. Sometimes, he even goes on jaunts through EITC territory on lucrative missions to China or Australia, which annoys Lord Cutler Beckett to no end. Other times, he will handle difficult Beast passengers for other pirates (the former King John of Britain being a prime example). The island of Naboombu is in his purview, and has made trips there before, of varying legality.Rule: Captain Jack the Monkey gives not a flying shit about who you are or what you might be up to aboard his vessel, as long as you’re not a human (after several bad encounters with the Huntsman’s Guild). Only Beast characters are allowed on the Chasing Million, and they are expected to visibly get along, lest they suffer the Captain’s wrath. Thus, Captain Jack’s ship is one of the safer places for refugees or adventurers from various Beast kingdoms to travel if they don’t want to risk travel by land. He charges a steep price for passage, though, but at least won’t directly sell you out to poachers or hunters. He backs up his rules by both his ghastly aura and the larger, toothier members of his crew. Good thing he has a sense of humor, twisted may it be. Just be careful—he’s not nearly as faithful to the Pirate Code as some. I also still have Captain Hook's and Chernabog's KLR's if anyone wants me to repost.
>>36214515As an animal, I assume. I'll get to writing, then!
>>36214512Only against standard mooks, though. Special mooks(if we're going to do something like that) and villains should obviously be immune to this.In the Nimble Guy section, it mentions moving stealthily reduces speed. Should this reduce speed by 10 meters, or what?Should we up the buffs on Music? We never really got to see a chance of them being used in the playtest. What else should music do, other than buffing people in combat?
>>36214512Yeah, that sounds pretty good: it lets heroes just be heroes, instead of making them chose whether to take a power for it or not.
>>36214380Sure!On a related note, here's something interesting I found.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcZPTp-F0nEA combination of the Shadow Lands and Olympia.
>>36214581No, we already have six tiers of enemies: mooks are mooks, lackeys are lackeys. Different things. And moving in Stealth should decrease speed by 10, sure.
>>36209159anons ive just realized something.at the end of alantis, rourke was stabbed with part of the crystal and he crystalized.>he then came back as some kind of undeaddoes this mean the possibilty that townsfolk that are always near the Large crystal (which i presume is being used as a power source) are getting zombified slowly
>>36214512>>36214581Butting in real quick to say the 5/10 rules only works for Melee or brawl characters. It doesn't make sense for a ranged character (Unless, maybe, they're using a bow or slingshot), but the basic idea is good. However, there should be some account for difference in combat strength - The party specialist brawler should take out more mooks in a turn than the half fighter half mechanic/doctor in the party.Also, Music does still need an out-of-combat buff, and an in-combat buff for On-A-Roll/Hero.>>36214612Writing now.
>>36214637You seem to not understand the point of this project.A villain's winning condition tends to not involve dying and then "ZOMBIE LEL". They had a mission, they fucking succeeded. No dying unless they were resurrected in the film.
>>36214636?Is this one of those things that was decided and then not 'binned? What are the villain tiers? What distinguishes them? Please don't tell me we have three different tiers for Kings, who should be one, two tops.
>>36214692I think he wants to know if that effect will happen if someone is scratched with an atlantean crystal, and if that means that the crystals are linked with evil magic.
Hey guys, what did I miss.....Oh.I'll come back later when things are calmer
>>36214716It was a long time since I've seen Atlantis, but why, when the Atlanteans lived for thousands of years prior to the excavation team came, are people suddenly being crystallized?
>>36214740The arguments are pretty much gone now, we're back to civil discussion. We just had some strawpolls.
Random character generation question:Have we decided on what we're doing with multi-role characters? Do they just take a certain number of abilites from both so they total five?
>>36214764I don't understand the question. Could you clarify?
>>36214692no you didnt read the part after that im not talking about rourke being a zombie because he won, im talking about the fact the crystal turns people into undead somehow>direct contact with the crystal resulted in zombification in secondsim saying if that crystal is being used as a massive power source, then surely anyone thats near it will slowly become crystal-born (for lack of a better term) as the years pass.
>>36214707Mooks, Lackies, The Inner Circle, Villain, King, God (for the really powerful Kings).
>>36214789Haven't people been living in Atlantis for thousands of years without turning into these hypothetical crystal zombies?
>>36214637 >>36214692>>36214740I think that wouldn't really happen unless they actually got infused with the crystal's power very suddenly.I mean, for one, the small ones that they already have might sort of filter that energy and let it pass only slowlyBad stuff would probably only happen if you were suddenly overloaded by it like Rourke was.Which makes you wonder how bad would it be if somehow someone managed to make that thing go boom
>>36214789But that's wrong, since they were using it as a power source for a long time when Atlantis were on the surface.
>>36214764We don't have multi-role characters. Pretty easy.
>>36214787Say I wanted to take a dual-class Smart Guy/Sensible Guy.Would I just take 2 class abilities from one and 2 from another?(Sorry about the five thing, I forgot that all classes have the 'new powers with growth' thing.)
>>36214826If a massive city-wide power source explodes, it would probably be very bad. I don't care what kind of power source it is.
>>36214760Eh, I need sleep in here anyway, just dropped by to catch up. Sefdot here, didn't manage to read shit since I left the game
>>36214818Not sure why King and God need to be separate -- just give the godlike kings commensurate powers to match. Still, good to know. I'll start writing up some example rules for them.
>>36209159So did yall go with the idea of Atlantis being ruled over by Commander Lyle Rourke, with Milo cooperating because he still isn't as bad as Ursula The Big-Titted?
>>36214857We simply don't do that. But you can get kind of there with a Smart Guy with Zealous Champion.
>>36214857That's not really a concept....You can certainly mix up your stats and skills, but not the powers. There's no such thing as a mixed class.You can PLAY ine, but more on a roleplay level
>>36214857Oh. I don't think there's a way to take a level in more than one archetype, actually. Unless I'm mistaken.You can configure your attributes, skills and traits to be good at two roles if you want.>>36214891This. Kings are often so powerful it doesn't even matter if they're humans or gods or whatever. Jafar is literally the most powerful sorcerer in the world as he wished he was, but he's still a man.
>>36214891>Still, good to know. I'll start writing up some example rules for them.No offense, but could you not do that? I've noticed your rules never really get a lot of following and then we start arguing when you feel the need to defend them. Just let someone else do these ones, okay?
>>36214899....wow. When was the last thread you were in?
>>36214836>>36214825remember they had it locked away from everyonethe only one who was really allowed to be right next to it was kida and her advisors. because said crystal i believe worked on royal blood.
>>36214943Strikes, skills, attributes, the 3d6 system, Defense, Powers, and 80% of the traits. Looks like we're still using those.
>>36214899Rourke is the President-For-Life of Atlantis, yeah.Milo's still working for him, I think, though out of necessity to help the Atlanteans.
>>36214943It sounds pretty offensive, actually....but yeah: take some rest Nob.
>>36214943>I've noticed your rules never really get a lot of following
>>36214965What about thousands of years ago, when it was floating over the city and being used to power machines and make shields? What about, you know, the end of the movie?
>>36214965Wait, is that how it worked?Oh well. They probably were able to use her DNA to make a synthetic catalyst for the crystal's power.There. She can still be dead if we want. Or not. Depends on the GM.
>>36214943You're pretty wrong thereMoat of the time.Nob's rules work well and we have some good discussion to balance them. The arguing is usually started by trolls
>>36214975>skills, attributes, Defense, PowersBut you didn't make those, did you? We know you like glory, but just stop lying and sit this one out.
Sing to the tune of “What’s this” – The Nightmare before Christmas, 1993 versionPRIDELANDS LIONWhat’s this? What’s this?There’s no color anywhereWhat’s this?There’s shadows in the airWhat’s this?I can’t believe my eyesI must me dreamingWake up then, this isn’t fairWhat’s this?What’s this? What’s this?There’s something very wrongWhat’s this?I can’t hear any songWhat’s this?The streets are lined withLittle creatures dyingEverybody seems so sadlyHave I possibly gone daffy?What is this?What is this?There are tiny run-down stallsAnd poor, dirty shedsThey’re busy off being killjoysBut I don’t see anyone deadThere’s shadows on every windowOh, I can’t believe my eyesAnd in my heart I feel the darknessThat’s coming from insideOh, lookWhat’s this?They’re shooting so hard and they missWhy that looks unique and almost inspiredThey’re gathering round to hear some storyRoasting rat on a small stickWhat’s this?What’s this.In here they’ve got a little shrine, how queerAnd who would ever thinkAnd why?They’ve covering it with tiny little thingsGot tiny trinkets held with stringSo now, correct me if I’m wrongBut I can’t see the sunMight been sold in some bargainWhy do I feel so sluggish?What’s this?Oh my, what now?The homeless are asleepBut look, there’s nothing underneathNot a blanket, not a penny to rest down by their sideTheir ensnarement and all their things Exist only in their mindWhat’s this?The animals are all missingAnd true nature can’t be foundAnd in their place there seems to beOnly misery all aroundInstead of screams, I swearI hear violence in the airThe smell of failure and the threat of bonesIs absolutely everywhereFINAL NEXT POT
>>36215031He can contribute if he damn well pleases. If you don't like it, make a better contribution.
>>36214995Yes, we get it, you're fags for each other, but you keep arguing about this or that rule for hours and then, after we make a poll, it turns out you were the only ones to want it.
>>36215044The sights, the soundsThey’re everywhere and all aroundI’ve never felt so sick beforeThe entirety that’s inside me is slowly draining upI simply can’t leave fast enoughWhat is this, oh, can’t stand thisOh, I just want to be homeI’ve got to knowI’ve got to goWhere’s the balance, can’t be found?What is this?Shadow lands, hmm….
>>36214899milo is dead but yesread up on the king/land/rule pastebinwe also mostly agreed that anyone that wanted the sci-fi splat that allowed disney villains past alantis time zone, that they would be living under rourkes rule and helping him as advisors and lieutenants.
>>36214943>>36215031>>36215068$50 says this is the guy who was arguing about TN18 and other retarded shit.
So I'm wondering: Should we have a separate doc for setting fluff, a la Shadowrun's Sixth World Almannac? There's a lot of supplementary setting material that isn't quite like KLR's or the character-driven stuff that makes up the fluff catalogue, which is getting pretty long.Plus, that Japan supplement needs to go somewhere.
>>36215061Honestly, it would be easier if Nob and his friends didn't call every other idea retarded. They are running away a lot of people here.>>36215095I wanted 3d6 for Initiative and Extra Actions for Charisma Guy. Guess what the majority decided to keep and who argued for hours against it.
>>36215114The songs aren't exactly fluff either. Most of them, anyway, are intended to be used in campaigns.Maybe we should just split that.
>>36215028when rourke took the crystal, she was infused with it. the point of that was that if milo didn stop rourke kida would die as well to the crystal.
>>36214951First or second one.
>>36214943>>36214975>>36214991>>36214995>>36215031>>36215068>>36215095>>36215131Nooo, don't start again! Please, just fucking stop already, every single one of you! Why can't we just have a conversation about fluff anymore?! Stop talking about rules, rules, rules for half a thread!
>>36214980Aight cool.So....hmmmm....Kida still alive?>>36214951And I just saw the filename, whats the supposed to mean?
>>36215028>>36215149in other words shes dead buts thats because she basically is part of the crystal
>>36215156Wow, you have a lot to catch up on.We finished an alpha and our first playtest.
>>36215149Oh. In that case, Rourke and his men could wear hazmat suits when operating the crystal power source.
>>36215195Kida fused with the crystal.
>>36215193Seriously, you guys should stop. Please, I just want to talk about crystals for a while.
>>36214826I've actually been thinking that something like that- not full crystal-ification, but some sort of crystal patch or splinter on the palm- might be used as a sort of security system for Atlantean super-science. Only people with the splinter are capable of activating Atlantean crystal tech, and it won't work for anyone without it. The flying laser sharks in the movie are activated by a palm, which at least suggests a biometric security system of some kind- the splinter think would be the modern-day knockoff.
>>36215205Id say to keep her alive.GTG, have a 12 hour shift ahead of me tomorrow that starts at 6 am.
>>36215142So one for character/story fluff, one for setting fluff, and one for songs?And maybe a Heroic Rumor Mill doc for different NPC stories?I can dig that. Maybe we can even put the setting fluff with their respective KLRs to enhance worldbuilding.
>>36215193we do and most of the fluff we need is doneat the end of the day were making an p&p/tabletop rpgif we dont sort out the rules it will fall to pieces.this takes time and effort anon.
>>36215142>>36215252Alright... let me get something to eat first.
>>36215252Rumors are good.We should also make a few failsafes so that people don't just metagame villains to death. What killed/trapped them before should not work here. If it does, the players would had to have known about this weakness in-character OR the Sensible Guy would have to suss it out by talking to him.
>>36215263>Let's talk about what would happen it the Disney villains won!>Yeah! And let's make a new system for it! We could scream at each other for days!Please, just hal a thread.
>>36215234>>36215193I think these guys might have a point, but stillThis is a pivotal point in sorting out rules: after the first tests, during alpha. I can kinda see why we shouldntry to hammer it out now, but there's some lost assholes around here that don't know how to be civil and then claim they were the majority.But still, I think everyone could go for cooling down a bit. Last time when we were burned out it worked well, twice actually. Last time we spoke about brazilian folklore for 2/3s of a thread and the next one had some prime materialSo maybe let's all go with these guys and sit down for a bit, drink something, and put down these pitchforks, wands, and bottles of holy fire
Has anyone started the development of each nation under the evil king/queen's rule? I have a few ideas for the Sultanate and the Aztec empire. Also describing how the original heroes died and the results of their deaths are important to give context to the story.
>>36215355Oh, thank you God.
>>36215346Pffft. We've screamed at each other for weeks now.
>>36215236That sounds highly complicated and dangerous. How would they even control it?
>>36215368A lot of those things should be kept vague. Thus, the rumor mill provides GMs multiple options to work with.
You know guys, something just occured to me.Wouldn't Cortez have won in El Dorado, or was he not enoigh of a Villain?
>>36215236It would explain how the atlanteans are keeping their technology for themselves.>>36215406>>36215419But it also needs an explanation of some kind, yeah.
>>36215368Well, that's what the KLR's are for. If you want to write one, feel more than welcome to go ahead, especially if they don't have one yet.People are also writing some more supplementary descriptions of each realm.Also, I'm making out a list of the heroes we know of and what may have happened to each one.
>>36215368We decided to make rumors about it: we give different versions and then you can chose the one you like more.
ok heres my take on the crystalbecause it was rourke stabbed with a shard that causes crystalization, its safe to assume that it needs to contact your bloodthe crystal over time has been looking more and more like kida over the years as kida gets more infused with it.>shes ethier dead or in a coma like state>she basically is the crystalrourkes men have been advised to wear hazmat suits just in case.the alantean people were they because they never really cut themselves with the smaller crystals, and even then they act as filters.rourke carries a knife made out of it, in case of subordinationthere were a couple of times when a mook did get impaled or cut and got crystallized. he strangly started attacking anyone that was near before he was sliced and diced by security.it needs to be the size of a knife wound for it to happen just like in the film
>>36215368There hasn't been a lot done. India and Africa are particularly lacking, I think.
>>36215068>>36215031>>36215131>>36215355Why are anons always assholes sore losers? Is it because they don't think people can identify posting styles?
>>36215501Just let them be. We're talking about fluff at the moment.Plus, I was actually wrong about Initiative. Still, the second playtest will decide a lot of things.Have the villains divided up their kingdoms in any meaningful way? Appointed governors? Taxes? Systems of law?
>>36215442Against the giant stone jaguar? You tell me.
>>36215442Cortez isn't as fun as Tzekel-Kan.
>>36215346ths has been going on for weeks anonif you want to continue the belief of tg/ gets shit done, then we need to get this done. it will take a while because people have done actual worldbuilding and people have very different styles when it comes to the rules.its why people complain about 1 d&d edition but worship the other.
>>36215525That varies from kingdom to kingdom, but I gotta take a shower and go to bed, so all I'll say is that with the exception of Scar and Ratigan's under-realm, none of the beast kings bother dividing them up.
>>36215580>The belief that /tg/ gets shit doneI'd say the fact that we took an interesting idea and built a fully-functional system with incredible amounts of fluff in a week or two proves that we do indeed get shit done.Now we just need to continue to get shit done and refine more until we hit the second playtest, which will probably give us the insight we need to take us into a solid beta.
>>36215525we assume that the laws are fairly similar with minor differences based on what pisses that villain off.the only ones that have governers are non autocrats like slimhave they divided it up? not really no, theyre too egotistical really.taxes? yes they use their lackeys for doomsday style taxing
>>36215525I feel like the ones more likely to appoint governors would be Shan Yu, Jaffar, Facilier, maybe Izma, and FrolloThe others probably don't care enough, although I can kinda see it in Alameda Slim's old west. Although it is probably more a case of "the guy that has the bullets to keep things in order becomes the governor AND the sheriff of the area"
>>36215697>>36215652>>36215617Okay. So some governors do (The human ones who can't just rule over their own tiny patch of land) but the rest(Beast-kings, Hades, Pirates) don't bother, and a handful have no people to actually rule (Firebird, Aurora, Cherrybomb). What about travel? What countries can freely leave? What countries still depend on horses or the like for transport, and what countries have good navies/techniology for motor carriages?
>>36215633>>36215580Yeah, /tg/ has done wonderfully with this. The rules getting fluffed out is great its the, you know, actual fluff I am most impressed with.I wonder how the Hector Heresy thing is coming along....
>>36215785Everything in Europe is straight medieval.
>>36215785Jaffar's kingdom definitely has the most travel. Open-borders can't possibly exist, but it isn't INSANELY hard to leave and enter, specially because of all the trade routes and whatnot.I'd say motors aree a thing of the ocident by now, unless the huns are really really good at engineering. Alameda, Facilier, Rourke, are the ones more likely to have motors and whatnot.Frollo and Grimhilde have more archaic means of transportation I feelJaffar and Shan Yu might have imported some, but I don't know if it fits
>>36215880I'd say the far east should be mostly full-on Age of Sail style with the occasional Atlantean warship cruising through. Frollo and Grimhilde are likely relying on wagon-pulled carts, yeah.What are the restrictions on buying weapons and explosives, poison, etc in each country?
>>36215985Rourke's society should be the most free and open about ownership of personal weapons, explosives, etc. They'd be tightly regulated in most other places, but then you have places like the Caliphate where you can easily get said weapons from the many black markets.
All separated now.Fluff and stories:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qj_IIuF_rqh_F2L-SeYn-dBiwDTtwWFpnbcXyfcgeE8/editSongs:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oQniqbLaTCF7V19fnXP0_zUW7GFr3ESziGM6U5mEcC0/edit
>>36215985Explosives are exclusive to military and government, with some exceptions for mining and the like with special permits, across the board in medieval-land. Given that the Sultanate is black-market-land, explosives might nominally be illegal but are freely available anyway. Readily available in places like the Shadowlands, Wild West, Atlantis, Virginia, etc. Sunless Empire probably just flat-out doesn't have them. Neither does El Dorado. Or Olympus, probably. Beast Kingdoms don't have them, legal by default in EITC and Pirate lands, Huns do their level best to keep knowledge of gunpowder a secret, known only by their alchemists.
>>36216129How severe would the punishments be for someone caught with banned substances in these countries? What would the Huns do about, say, a smart character with No More Chinese Laundry?
>>36216181Take them to the cleaners.
>>36216181Execution or slavery uniformly.
>>36215525>>36215652>>36216181This right here is why we need an almanac/setting descriptor collection
>>36216124You missed the captions for "Till the reach that day" Sing to the tune of “Till we reach that day” – Ragtime, 1998 version(There's a day of hope..)And "Out tonight"Sing to the tune of “Out Tonight” – Rent, 2009 version, heavily modified(What' the time?)And 'Masculinity' is supposed to have SVERD before the first lyric.As in:SVERD(I want to pick up this piece of toast like a man)
>>36216240sounds like you're volunteering.
>>36216320I am, actually.I've been collecting bits since the first threads, and I'd like to make something like SR's Sixth World Almanac, with KLR's, setting descriptions and maybe even some land-centric fluff here and there, like "A Farmer's Tale" and "Shadowlands Warning". Granted, a lot of it would be raw posting or greentext stories, but any worldbuilding is good worldbuilding IMO.
christ this thread is deadwe stop talking about crunch for five minutes and the thread grinds to a halt.
>>36216820People are going to sleep mate.
>>36216820>>36216865We just don't have an actual full topic to discuss right now.
>>36216896Okay, how about this to start some discussion. Ever since Plane Crazy's Ratigan fluff this has been bugging me.Should the characters from Ratatouille be in the base game? Granted, it's Pixar, but it's small enough in scale that it wouldn't affect much.Plus the idea of some rat heroes would be hella cool.
>>36216924By that, do you mean intelligent rats and Remy in some form, or the actual human chefs?
>>36216924OH FUCKI FORGOT TO MAKE STATS FOR MICE CHARACTERSUh, fuck. Here's an idea:Tiny character, +2 Intelligence, -2 Robustness, +2 Agility.+2 to Legerdemain+3 to Stealth where visual detection is an issue. 1 rank in Mechanics.That look okay?
>>36216924If you can be a pixie, you can be a rat/mouse. Sure.
>>36216951I mean the rats, natch. Do they help the ailing Rescue Aid Society? Do they join Ratigan? Both?My current headcanon is that Remy (and maybe a couple relatives) manages to find his way aboard Jack the Monkey's ship, where he's the cook.The human chefs have all packed up and moved away after the resturant failed. That's all, unless you want to do something else with them.
>>36217024I'd assume it'd be a more case-by-case GM thing, but if you want to write some fluff for the rumor mill, then it's definitely something I can see people adding in.
>>36217063I'm not sure, I'm not too good with story fluff, it's more descriptive and general, along the line of KLR's or general rumors.Still though, I'm no furry, but the Beast World honestly has gotten no love. It has 2 mouseworld fluffs, the What's This? song, and Kaa's KLR, and that's about it.Not to mention the fact that I now need to rewatch both Rescuers movies to see which characters could feasibly survive.
>>36217159I agree with you there. Talking animals are practically a staple of Disney (But so help me god if anyone makes an anthromorphic character I will purge it), and we haven't put all THAT much focus on them. Africa in general needs some more fluff and traits and whatnot.
>>36217202Speaking of, I put the needed KLR's in 1d4chan's To Do list.
what happened to using agility for melee combat as well, like fencing instead of just crushing your enemy?
>>36217315As an actual real-life fencer I can safely say that Robustness has as much value in fencing as Agility does. You do bring up a good point though, as there should be some way to more directly factor agility into melee, perhaps.
>>36217159>Not to mention the fact that I now need to rewatch both Rescuers movies to see which characters could feasibly survive.Someone should. The remnants of the Rescue Aid Society are the only thing standing up to Ratigan. Although, I see two versions, one is a bunch of semi-deluded people who still hold meetings where they sing the R-E-S-C-U-E song, and collect the many, many, MANY, bottles from the distressed. Then they talk about helping, and then Ratigan's goons swing by and they all shrink down back into their homes.The other are the members of the Rescue And Truth Society. Bernard, Bianca, and Jake have turned into hard core SAS style organization.And yes, Bianca picked the name specifically."If Ratigan is so intent on calling himself a mouse, then I'd rather be a rat!" The white mouse said to the group. "We are in our darkest hour, ladies and gentlemen. This is the time when History will look upon the Society, and what will they see? Cowards? Or those who held to our values and the truth?""Crikey," Jake said to Bernard. "Gal's all wound up, ain't she?"Bernard nodded. "I'm a little scared of her when she gets like this." He sighed. "You sure you want part of this?"Jake shrugged. "Home's gone to pot, might as well go out doing something right. Might as well die with the rest of the RATS."
>>36209586I'd be thrilled if someone were to make a fancy map, but I'd hold off on it for now. Once the map is finished and there are no more edits, if a drawfag wants to do up something pretty by all means do.
>>36217390give it to the Nimble guy, maybe? stealthy movement as a power doesn't really fit all of their archetypes
Be back in half hour or so.Feel free to recommend writefagging topics, I'll probably pick one up when I get back.
>>36217442This could potentially work, but it might not be very useful - the vast majority of Nimble Guys seem to be ranged-users while Strong Guys go Melee.
>>36217485maybe notbut there's a lot of beasts with penalties to robustness who can't use ranged weapons.
>>36216124No Disney Team Prime? You wound me, Plane.
>>36217403What about Remi from ratatouie?
You know what this thread needs? Mood music.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9thvHDskYvAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqd4VXZmxqwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8zuvnvDtBc
>>36217537Maybe he'd put it in if you wrote a fourth one.
>>36217542He's Ratigan's prisoner and personal chef/slave.
>>36217547I'd say GY!BE's Moya or Mladic fits the theme of this universe better than the Dead Flag Blues.Also, here's an idea for Lackeys, (who are barely a step up from Mooks); While they have stats comparable to a Zero-tier character, they have 2 strikes + 1 more for each PC in the party.Seem imbalanced?
>>36217574>7-strike LackeysWAT NOLackeys are like the bigger, stronger Sergent of the military squad. They should have two strikes at the most.
>>36217566And that gives me a perfect idea.Anton Ego is a clerk for the Inquisition. He writes down what the interrogated say, makes comments on his fellow members of the Inquisition, and his reports are well received by His Holiness.People think him a grim and horrible man. The perfect example of the banality of evil, the kind that speaks softly and uses a pencil to do, and justify, horrible things.And yet...when he goes to sleep in his small room...there is a part of him that weeps for every victim. A part that remembers his mother, her cooking, and the time when he didn't have to be so...cold.
>>36217561You think I'll leave you all hanging like that?
>>36217613Well, that would explain a lot. I have no idea what any of the ranks actually mean because I wasn't there for that discussion.
>>36217632Were you able to get Hannah's stats as you requested?
>>36217403Oh hells to the yes.Better yet, why not combine the two? Have the weak ineffectual Rescue Aid Society as a front (and a place to weed out spies) while the RATS do the *real* work behind the scenes.Hell, maybe the RATS' base is in the one place Ratigan and his lackey's dare not tread...Scotland, the Realm of the Bear.
>>36217637Mooks are, well, mooks.Lackeys are the local leaders of mooks, like an Inquisitor with a bunch of zealot mooks.Inner Circle are the underboss, some could even have puzzle endings starting here and this is where 'serious' threats begin - an Inner Circle villain could reasonably knock out a party member in a starting party. They're like No One.Villain - Obvious. Jafar, Yzma, Slim, all of the above.God - Chernabog. Aurora. Firebird. Don't expect to defeat one of these guys without an exact understand and specific weapons and abilities to beat them. Maybe a couple million soldiers with pure and honest hearts to call to the Sun using that song I wrote about it to kill Chernabog or the like.Top tier- Walt
>>36217751Whoops, swapped 'Villain' for King. Replace that.Villains are actually like a step-up from No One, people of huge power and importance but aren't quite the King yet. Think Hans.
>>36217202>>36217466ANY beast realm.
>>36217660I love it.
>>36217654I did, and I'll read through the transcript to get a feel for her personality. The snakeshot ambush was a bit of a surprise to me, so I might be able to work her in somewheren the next couple of episodes.
>>36217751>>36217772Duly noted. Here's a quick attempt to hash out some actual stats at each tier;Mook: No strikes. Average stat of 7. One rank in skills related to their job. Defense 22Lackey: Two strikes. Average stat of 7. One rank in skills related to their job, and two in their primay skill. Defense 23(?)Inner Circle: A variable number of Strikes (Example; 2+Number of people in party), Character-level stats (average stats of 8, possibly higher), Two ranks in skills related to their job, One rank in a smattering of other skills. Rolls for Prevent Harm/Endure.Villain: Varying number of strikes (Example: Three strikes+2x the number of people in the party), Average stats of eight+3 more points, varying number of ranks in their skills depending on how important they are -- usually between three and five ranks in skills important to their job, Two in some others and one in the rest.King: Will likely need unique stats for each King. However, no King should have sub-15 Strikes and should have very good attributes.Gods: Don't even have a stat-line. You can fight them, sure, but you'll lose. Puzzle boss time!Thoughts?
>>36217849Put mooks at one strike.
>>36209159When the non-Disney expansion rolls around, can we throw in the unknown?
>>36217778The really fun part is that it could be a global network to rival Ratigan's, with the added twist that members could be of any species.Maybe they could even function as an efficient delivery/reconnaissance method between the resistances of each empire.Hot damn, you could make this shit a big deal if you wanted to.
>>36217849Maybe make Lackey defense a little higher. I'm thinking TN25 - Still pretty easy to hit, but considerably more difficult than a mook.>>36217884Nah, we should leave mooks at zero. They're mooks - A Disney protagonist ever having trouble taking one out is practically unheard of.
>>36217901>>36217884Gonna agree with Sverd here -- Mooks only real threat is if there's a LOT of them. Even a non-combat character should be able to deal with one or two with relative ease. Of course, playtesting may vindicate you, so I'll reserve real judgement on this till after the second playtest.
>>36217901Maybe we should test mook strength. See what works smoother.I do agree with upping Lackeys to 25.
>>36217948so with mooks is it how high you roll = how many you defeat?
>>36217987Well, IIRC from earlier in the thread it was decided that when you upped a tier you'd hit more mooks per strike: one at a time at Zero, five at a time at On-a-roll, ten at a time at Hero. 'course, we could also rule that if you manage to hit a mook for two strikes, you manage to take out him and his buddy if there are any left. Thoughts?>>36217982I'll try making mooks a bit tougher in the next playtest, we'll see how that goes. It's one of those things that you can math all you want, but at the end of the day it needs to be tested out.
>>36217987What we've generally decided on is that at zero, you take out a single Mook per roll, as on-a-roll you take out five-ish plus one for every four (maybe five) for every roll as a Melee, brawl or social (Probably three instead of 4/5 for social) with no idea about Ranged yet, and as a hero you take out 15 or so plus two for every fourish your roll as Melee, brawl or social, with social taking out more, and still no idea about melee.
>>36218031Ranged*The last word is ranged, not melee
>>36217537I must have missed it. Which thread was it in?>>36217776I'll see what I can think of.
>>36216953Just remember to pastebin it! :D
>>36218083They were pretty spread out, so I'll just repost the links.http://pastebin.com/ZYcCbw1Phttp://pastebin.com/myFLZEHghttp://pastebin.com/yAhZUSSd
>>36216924>>36217024>>36217566>>36217627Lovin' how this movie has been seamlessly absorbed into DVV canon. No muss, No fuss.Also, if there isn't a cooking trait someone really should crunch one out.In one RPG session I played the fact that one of the PCs made incredible booze got us out of a really big fight.
>>36218165Ah, that's why, I forgot to check some of the pastebin links when I was first scanning.Gimme a minute here.
For the next thread:Beasts have been updated: http://pastebin.com/6YzhDaPi>>36209220Remember to remove Class roles: http://pastebin.com/fj58NSYMXP: http://pastebin.com/61Je2agNDA RULEZ: http://pastebin.com/8zqBfdN2as 1d4chan is more up to date, and better written to boot.
>>36218205Also replace the fluff thread: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qj_IIuF_rqh_F2L-SeYn-dBiwDTtwWFpnbcXyfcgeE8 with these:Fluff Catalogue: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qj_IIuF_rqh_F2L-SeYn-dBiwDTtwWFpnbcXyfcgeE8/editSong Catalogue: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oQniqbLaTCF7V19fnXP0_zUW7GFr3ESziGM6U5mEcC0/editRumor Mills Coming Soon!
>>36218187to be fair though the only reasons why there have been problems with other disney series is because theyre set in modern timeswhich reminds meit isnt animated, but what are the chances of The Lone Ranger appearing in The Old West
>>36218205>>36218249Speaking of, we're at page 7 and bump limit.Threadstarter, you're up!
>>36218263High, if we can figure out how
Think I have an idea, but I need to know a bit more about Bagheera. What's his domain like?
>>36218639~~NOBODY KNOOWS.~~Seriously. There is exactly zero material for Bagheera. Zip. I should know, I've actually just finishing my trawl through the archives.
>>36218718Well then, guess I'll have to get creative here.
>>36218639His existence is basically just to oppose Sher Khan
>>36218454well obviously the villain from that might as well be slim since they had the same goalThe Indian escaped his slavery and got vengeance but never justice. he wanders around the desert, as souless as the ones who cursed him, thinking of only one thingKill SlimThe lone Ranger was a threat to slim for Silver answered to the rangers call and never slims yodeling.the ranger wanders the barren lands in exile, the only stories you ever hear about him are as bleak and harsh as the sands itself. ghost stories equal to the carribean>the truth is that he cannot accept his failures and wanders the wilds, getting dangerously close to Kaa's Jungle
>>36218718I'm*Oh, I almost forgot. All we know is that he was pissed off that Mowgli and Baloo died.Still though, that's a rumor.
This thread needs to be archived if it wasn't already.
new thread is up: >>36218965
>>36209392why? The NSA doesnt care about anything you do unless you're plotting to blow some shit up. I'd be more worried about the FBI and the ATF. Luckily bureaucracy prevents the interdepartmental cohesion required to fuck me over.