Welcome to the XXVI installment of "Disney Villains Victorious."Disney Villains Victorious is a new /tg/ homebrew project based on the idea of a world, not entirely unlike our own, in which all the villains from all the Disney animated feature films were not defeated at the ends of their movies but were instead victorious, completing their goals in part or in whole.It is a world in which Ursula rules the seas, defied only by the uncatchable Pirate Lords, the cutthroat merchants of the East India Trading Company and the might of Atlantis and its magitech-toting mercenaries. It is a world where the grasslands and jungles and forests are prowled not only by fearsome primal beasts like Shere Kahn and Scar but also by the ruthless, tireless hunters that stalk them. It is a world where Europe has been divvied up between evil sorcerous monarchs like Maleficent, the Horned King, Grimhilde and Jafar, mad, inquisitorial clergymen like Frollo, and Dark Gods like Hades and Chernobog.It is not, however, a world completely devoid of courage, heroism or hope. Around the world, the PCs' characters and their allies plot and plan, fight and strive and win their own victories against the villains that would rule them. The time to fight and to be free is now.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+Victorioushttp://1d4chan.org/wiki/Disney_Villains_VictoriousAssembled pastebins:King/Land/Rule: http://pastebin.com/Z8wFJrhhClass roles: http://pastebin.com/fj58NSYMXP: http://pastebin.com/61Je2agNBeast Species: http://pastebin.com/ZNVPBJWjSetting Traits: http://pastebin.com/8RRbwMQTTRAITS: http://pastebin.com/uHCXg4EVPOWERS:http://pastebin.com/pQDDqisUGeneric Traits: http://pastebin.com/MZwvGsyXLore & Fluff: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qj_IIuF_rqh_F2L-SeYn-dBiwDTtwWFpnbcXyfcgeE8DA RULEZ: http://pastebin.com/8zqBfdN2
Okay, what's on the agenda tonight?I might try organizing the catalogue, though it might be a clusterfuck.Writefagging maybe? I'd have to find a good topic.
>>36196425Transcript in a couple minutes, in which Sverd follows chivalry to the letter
TL;DR: We're going to have to give boss characters lots and lots of strikes, and bump up difficulties on hitting minions. The rest of it runs pretty smoothly.
>>36196534Can you write about pirates or the EITC? Anything about the two would be refreshing.
Its really good to have seen this idea come so far
Last time, on Disney Villains Victorious:>Our first official alpha playtest has been held, run by Nobody Important and attended by a number of in-thread players and spectators. Transcripts, analysis and re-crunching to follow.>Many more example characters are created as part of the aforementioned alpha testing and, of course, just for the fun of it.>Contributors brainstorm the possibility of Belle giving birth to a truly Beastly bastard daughter before Gaston's Villainous Victory and subsequent ROBUST baby making with her.>A number of great song adaptations are written by none other than our own Sverd and Plane Crazy, several of which turn out to be true show-stoppers.
>>36196611I can try for it. Any preference between pirates and EITC?
>>36196550That pic expresses so much about it I almost don't need the transcript.
Okay, first of all as a warning this 'bin is massive. If you're on mobile i'd suggest not opening it. Secondly it appears to have stretched out all the rolls. Other than that it's good.http://pastebin.com/Vy1E0sHBGeneral notes: Combat is very quick and highly brutal for mooks. They're gonna need Defense 22 or at least Prevent Harm 22 or whatever because Jeremiah and Svald literally could not miss.Villains and bosses need lots of strikes. Naacha destroyed No One in what would be a single combo except that Svald made it there first. I'm talking like ~6 strikes against a party of three so they're guaranteed at least one hit.We need an actual initiative system.We need to decide whether attacker or defender gets priority.
>>36196744Nah. Writefag as you please.
General consensus as a result of the playtest is that we're going to make combat considerably more difficult (especially for bosses), decide on attacker/defender precedent, make an initiative system and increase the focus and strength of music.
>>36196770Mooks should be easy. The wonder is if they should get more Prevent Harm points or if we should just throw more mooks at the party.
Also I'd like to point out that I created a session solely around the protagonists fucking up a wizard and his minions.>>36196811Either would work, really.
>>36196817FUCK YESFUCK WIZARDS
>>36196770It's 2 a.m. here so I'm going to collapse into a sleeping heap momentarily, but I just wanted to say thank you for all your hard work on this Nob. As a fluff and ideas guy primarily, I really appreciate all the time you've put into the crunch on this project and the direction you've helped give to the threads.The same goes to all the rest of you contributors as well, of course. This has been one of the most fun and creative projects I've worked on in a long while. Good night all!
>>36196770How about each player and npc in comat rolls 1D6 and adds their agility. If they tie, roll again.
>>36196770Also, we should make a Weakness Option.I used it so I could justify giving Hannah 2 powers.Also, Musicians should get an initiative bonus, so that they can be effective sooner.
>>36196873Actually, make it so they can choose either charm or agility
>>36196873Ties go to the person with the higher agilityPerson A: 7 Rolls 1Person B: 6 Rolls 2Person A goes before Person B
>>36196873>>36196896>>36196902Sounds good. We'll try working with that on the buffed playtest on Tues/Thurs.>>36196881Probably a good idea but I'm not sure how ti implement it.
>>36196896I like that.
>>36196873>>36196896>>36196902A solid system. That works.Onto the next topic: If the event of a tie in combat, should it hit or miss? Otherwise known as attacker/defender precedent.
>>36196909>Probably a good idea but I'm not sure how ti implement it.The charm idea, is actually a great solution for that, since a Musician will, probably, have a high Charm.Maybe we make that an option of the 'Charming Guy' role?
>>36196950I'd say make that THE charming power instead of +action. Another action is a LOT, and I'm surprised we didn't see it. Action economy is part of what broke 3.0 horribly, so let's try to avoid that.
>>36196938What if in a tie, we dropped the bonuses, and whomever actually rolled higher gets it?And if THAT'S a tie, then I suppose an odd or even roll?
>>36196984Yeah, we should rethink those +actions. Maybe only give that to the Nimble Guy.
>>36196985Since there's so much reliance on bonuses here, this makes sense. Anyone object to it?
Okay then, guess not. So, music. In an entire session of playing going through as much as we could, we used music out-of-combat twice, once just because and once to pacify a small crowd. That's just not Disney. Music is solid as it is as a support skill for combat, but we should try and figure it into a more prominent role in out-of-combat situations, too.
>>36197010Not really, although that may make combat spike-y at higher tiers. We'll cross that bridge when it comes to it.>>36197006I'm not sure we should give +actions for anything other than Heroic powers. But that's just my opinion.>>36196869T-thanks. >>36196938On a tie: I think whoever rolls higher should win. Just set aside the bonuses.
>>36197010I don't. Having the option of what stat to use for your initiative makes the game more accommodating to social-oriented characters so that combat-oriented characters don't steamroll.
>>36197117Actually, 2 songs in one session sounds just about right. Unless it's a musical, there shouldn't be TOO many songs or players will get burnt out of it.
>>36197153But both of them were sung by me, and I didn't take the effort to actually sing out the song with the ones in my archives. And I didn't have a really good reason to sing either time.
>>36197179Hmm... You had a bard in the party. Maybe you should encourage her use singing for out-of combat situations more to keep in the Disney mood.
>>36197179That's not true. When you guys were destroying the local police force Hannah was singing/playing the lute.
>>36197203Right, but it's DISNEY, so every character should sing to express any kind of emotion. The fact that someone could conceivably go an entire campaign without singing a single song horrifies me.>>36197212But that was in-combat singing.
>>36197130>I'm not sure we should give +actions for anything other than Heroic powers.Spend a Will Point, get a second action.Should that be the big 'reward' for going up a tier? I know we've always debated that.Go up a tier, get +1 will point, and spend 1 will point to get a 2nd action based upon your roll.Thoughts?
>>36197230Maybe they just didn't think it was appropriate at the time.
>>36196770>Sverd gave away a small fortune and all his money to prove a point in a casinooh lawd
>>36197274Don't get Hannah started...Heh, those two are now stuck together, aren't they?
>>36197274Sverd gets the group into a lot of trouble more than once.>>36197239Seems... reasonable, but that would require advanced playtesting. Perhaps a Melee action for a Strong guy, a Ranged or skill action for a Nimble guy, a skill action for an Intelligent guy, and a Social action for Sensible and Charismatic guys.>>36197230More singing is good, but you must remember that Tin Ear is a thing.
>>36197296This could be an interesting dynamic when we eventually get to Arrendelle if we play another campaign together.
are we still undecided on vehicles or other methods of transport
>>36197359There's a Driving skill.
>>36197312Well, I have to crash. I don't know if I'll be able to make the Tuesday playtest, but don't let that stop you.This is such a wonderful experience. I've been having nothing but fun, and I love every bit of fluff that comes out. Night.
>>36197388And Nob? You are amazing, my friend. When this whole thing hits final PDF? Your name should be on this, and high on the list.
>>36197371I meant vehicle stats, because we only seem to have animals as a mode of transportation.
>Nobody Important (GM): It takes you ~15 minutes to ride to the estate around the side.There's about a two minute window if you want to sneak inside.However, the window is locked. Anyone have Mechanics to jimmy it open?>Sverd: ((Is it big enough to jump through?))>Jeremiah: "Alright, before we go in">"We need some base rules">Nobody Important (GM): ((theoretically, but that'd be loud.))>Jeremiah: "Number one, stick together">Nobody Important (GM): ((of course, if you want to wing it...))>Sverd: Sverd curls his body up and jumps through the window.This is a beautiful portrayal of an innocent, insecure knight with something to prove. Also, kek
>>36196771Right... this may take some time, I don't have any ideas right off the bat here.
Here's the song about resisting tyranny from my archives.Sing to the tune of “Till we reach that day” – Ragtime, 1998 versionSVERDThere’s a day of hopeMay I live to seeWhen all hearts are happyAnd all souls are freeLet the new day dawnOh, Lord, I pray.I’ll get us all to heavenI’ll see us reach that day.CROWDWe’ll never have peace!We’ll never have pride!SVERDA day of pride…CROWDWe’ll never have Jusitce!We’ll always be denied!SVERDOr just denied… CROWDWhere can a man live?Where a child play?We’ll never see a heavenWe’ll never reach that day.SVERDWhat they’ve done to youWhat they took from youYou had life in youLord, they had life!Look what they left of you,Left of you,Left of my friends!CROWD AND SVERDNothing and no one to them….SVERDA day of peace…CROWDSee the blood on the ground!SVERDA day of pride….CROWDSee the people that died!SVERDA day of justice….CROWDIt will happen again!SVERDForever denied…CROWDIt will happen againAnd againAnd again!SVERDLet the new day dawnWhy does no one care?CROWDSee the blood in the air!SVERDI see voices and souls!What is wrong with you all?You were somebody’s child!There are people in there!There are people in there!And I swear to the peopleSVERDA day of peace.CROWDA day of pride?SVERDA day of justiceThat you all have been deniedLet the new day dawnCROWDOh Lord, I praySVERDI swear I’ll get you all to heavenI swear we’ll reach that day.
>>36197677Sure is a rousing fella.
>>36197677Excellent.Also, some thoughts on the Shadowlands: booby traps are going to be absolutely ubiquitous. Since thievery is so commonplace, everyone's going to need some way of protecting their valuables while they're gone, and hidey-holes can only do so much. Trap-makers are an odd combination of vital and distrusted; their skills are needed to protect your home properly, but since they set the traps, they'll know how to get past them. The solution to this dilemma, of course, is to lynch any trap-maker who gets a reputation for untrustworthiness. Trustworthy trap-makers, however, would be stupid wealthy. Another thing you'd see a lot of is clans. Clans, and armed compounds. The only people you can really trust is family- if even that- so extended families will stick together. Gangs would also be a major thing among those without an extended family to fall back on. In both cases, the basic principle is simple- fuck with one of us, you fuck with us all. Members have each others' backs- everyone owes everyone else. That's the theory, anyway- practice is something else. Often just ends up as 'everybody owes the boss', but just being part of an organization is better than going it alone. Warfare between clans and gangs would be common, ranging from sporadic feuding to furious genocidal death-spirals. Weakened gangs and clans might be absorbed or simply If you own a person outright, do you inherit his debts? If so, slavery would be nearly nonexistent. If not... Does a child owe a debt to their mother and father? If so, children would be the slaves of their parents practically indefinitely. Having children would effectively pass the debt on to them- a pyramid scheme with human lives. With the Friends everywhere and so many desperate people, minor trades with them would be common. A year off my life, for the speed to escape. A finger off my right hand, for the slots to turn my way just this once. My ability to see the color red
>>36198205>With the Friends everywhere and so many desperate people, minor trades with them would be common. A year off my life, for the speed to escape. A finger off my right hand, for the slots to turn my way just this once. My ability to see the color redof course there is only so much that one person can give before they lose it all and have to start taking, eventually they just become another Friend on the other side
>>36198205Shit, lost the tail end of my post. My ability to see the color red, for a strongbox only I can open. Stuff like that. If a child does not owe its parents, then even if slaves transfer their debt to their owners, children would make ideal slaves since they're immaculate; all the debt incurred by their existence would accrue onto their parents. Selling a child into slavery would be common among the desperate; they might even have children for this purpose. Stealing children would also be common- another impetus towards forming clans and gangs and forting up as much as possible. In short, the Shadowlands- divided between rival gangs, booby-trapped to hell and back, child slavery everywhere. Fun place.
>>36198281I don't think the Friends are human -- they seem to have the ability to grant supernatural powers. It's a good idea for a villain though. Actually, what the hell are the Friends in this universe? Are they like the Demons that Chernobog has under his power, or are they something else entirely? I'd say we need to get a cosmology together but this entire setting is a clusterfuck.Also on boss-villains: They really ought not to be defeatable by Strikes, or they need an absolute boatload of them. Give the players an alternate, tricky means to defeat them. For example, No One in the playtest we just did should really only be defeatable by making him break his promise to the Friends.
>>36198330Yes. I support this.I just wrote a bunch of various love songs for muh archives and I feel mildly creepy now.
>>36198330what I was getting at is that once you have given up everything else you are present with a choice; give up your humanity and act asa servant to the Friends forever, or be dragged into hell. One removes your debts, the other kills you, I think we all know which choice someone is going to make
Here's the stats for No One in case anyone is interested;No One from NowhereCharming VillainHuman, MediumROBUSTNESS: 8/12Agility: 8/12Intelligence: 8/12Sensibility 10/12Charm: 12/12Will: 2Strikes: 4.Skills: Academics; 4Acrobatics; 3Athletics; 3Brawl; 0Craft; 0Deceit; 5Driving: 0Endure: 3Insight: 6Intimidation; 5Legerdemain: 4Linguistics: 4 (English, Atlantean, Reptile, Cats)Mechanics; 3Melee; 4Music; 3 (singing)Occult; 5Persuasion; 6Prevent Harm: 4Ranged; 5Science; 4Stealth; 3Travel: 0Traits:Faceless: +4 to Deceit rolls where No One is in person. Moreover, without an Insight TN25 check, No One will be mistaken for a random person instead of who he really is.I'll take you all on!: +1 to Ranged for every person No One is outnumbered by in combat. (1 person: +0, 2 +1 3 +2 etc)(Villain Trait)Powers:Friendly Assistance: Spend a Will Point to gain +2 to all stats for three rounds, and regenerate all your Strikes. If you do not defeat an enemy by this time, however, you immediately take five strikes.
>>36198405>presentpresented>asa as a
Wrote a third song that you will never get to hear unless you play a campaign with me, and I'm off to sleep for... four hours.Oh boy.
>>36198637Post it for posterity, if you'd like. I'm nearly finished with my story too, if you want to stick around for that.
>>36196611>>36197633Alright, here she be. Not the usual on this one by a longshot.http://pastebin.com/uaqL7vnc
>>36198882Oh yes. This I like. Now to go to bed because it's 5 where I am.
So, did we come to a conclusion regarding Clarisse the Beastling?
>>36199017I think so? She was the kid of the Beast and Belle, conceived under dubious circumstances before she got brainwashed into being Gaston's happy housewife.
>>36199061Bell got brainwashed, that is.
>>36199061>>36199097I'd say that the reason she's still a Beast and hasn't turned human is because, due to having Gaston for a father and a brainwashed zombie for a mother, she's never really felt twoo wuv. As such, curse stays.
What was the general opinion on the KLR fluff that was posted last thread?
>>36199017I liked the idea of Clarisse the Beast, and I think that her character idea works both as Gaston's "family secret" kept locked up in the basement while he and Belle raise up her strapping half-brothers, or as an almost wild or feral child raised by the surviving enchanted objects in the basements and caves below the burnt out ruins if her Father's castle.>>36199231It could be that because she'd never experienced true love she was never made human, but personally I think the more fun option would be to have her BELIEVE that she will be made human through the true love of her parents, friends or romantic interest, but have that not be the case and have her Beastliness be "simple" fairy tale genetics. It sets her up either for a crushing disappointment that the PCs have to deal with, or an uplifting lesson about being proud of yourself that they can reach her.
>>36199425>It could be that because she'd never experienced true love she was never made human, but personally I think the more fun option would be to have her BELIEVE that she will be made human through the true love of her parents, friends or romantic interest, but have that not be the case and have her Beastliness be "simple" fairy tale genetics. It sets her up either for a crushing disappointment that the PCs have to deal with, or an uplifting lesson about being proud of yourself that they can reach her.I think the moral of this campaign should be; no matter who you are, whatever your gender, race religion or sexual preference you will always find someone who cares for you as much as you do for them
Good morning, or evening, or day to anyone here in the thread. Looking forward to reading the transcripts from last night and catching myself up. Been getting a lot less sleep this past week with the breakneck pace of these threads, but it's worth it.
Good morning all, Atlantean Writefag here. Got another bit written out if you guys are interested.
>>36199452Right! It falls into line with what some Anons have been talking about in previous threads, where the different campaigns have different twists on how table top RPGs usually end:>Arendelle: The BBEG you need to defeat is not necessarily evil and doesn't actually need to be killed.>Hun Dynastic China: Just because the evil BBEG needs killing doesn't mean his death immediately restores order.>Clarisse the Beast: The "curse" the character needs to break isn't an actual curse, but the belief that she is cursed.The moral is, as you say, that what you are and what you look like doesn't matter as long as you have a good heart and can give and receive love.
>>36199499I've been hoping to see you come back with more of your story, Atlantean Writer. glad to see you! If you'd like to share what you've got I am more than ready to read it.
>>36197388no ghostbusters this week?
>>36199499Choked on my coffee because of this image.
>>36199566>>36199518Well, I suppose I'll be getting to it!--The situation fared no better as the squad moved room-by-room, hallway-by-hallway. Evidence of animals having entered the castle were everywhere, from torn tapestries and half-eaten furniture to animal droppings. Snow had caused the roof to sag in some locations, in others outright causing the roof to fail—the largest hole the squad located being in the main ballroom.More statues appeared throughout the castle—seemingly concentrated in the main ballroom but dissipating from there. The occasional one or two were found throughout the hallways, but all the statues found seemed to have their faces set in screams of terror or wails of sorrow. “This doesn’t sit right with me—not one bit.” Allyson’s pale blue eyes focused on the power selector on her lightning carbine, reassuring herself it was set to medium strength. Enough to easily rip through ice and snow and flesh, but not enough to explode meatier targets outright. “Why leave the bodies of the citizens standing in place around the castle? You’d have thought she would have the decency to put ‘em in the ground.”
>>36199592“Perhaps there’s something we don’t understand about her situation.” Catherine had done away with the scarf and the thick parka indoors, allowing herself greater mobility. She was admiring the paintings adorning the hallway the squad was moving through as she spoke. “The last flurry of messages that were sent out before Arendelle shut its borders and the ice storm consumed it indicated that the newly anointed queen had gone through an undue amount of stress and trauma—though it was never detailed any further than that. This expedition is as much about solving the mystery of what happened to Arendelle as it is about opening trade routes and securing an ally in this re—”The rhythmic thump of footsteps brought rifles to shoulders and hushed conversation instantly. Zoe, who had taken point after they had searched the lower levels, flattened against the wall to her right, the squad following suit. “Please tell me someone else heard that,” Catherine mouthed out.
>>36199606Thach nodded, placing a finger to her lips. The squad inched forward down the hallway, ready to fire at the slightest provocation. The hallway ended at a corner, turning right. As Zoe crept up to the corner, he swore he heard humming. She dared to peek around the corner, spying the barest trace of a blue woman, bounding down the hall. As she shifted back into position, the floor creaked under her boots. “Hello?” The voice called out from down the hall. Zoe sucked in air between her teeth. Her rifle, too cumbersome for close quarters, was thankfully strapped across her back. “Is someone there?” The sniper quietly clicked the safety off her pistol. Ten feet.“You don’t have to be afraid.” Five feet.She licked her lips in anticipation.“I won’t hurt you.” Two feet.Her grip tightens around the handgun.“I’m a frie—” Now.In a burst of explosive energy, Zoe slammed the full force of her body into the woman who had just turned the corner, carrying her across the hall and into the opposite wall. Her left arm braced against the assailant’s neck, her pistol against the assailant’s face. Though short in stature, her wiry frame failed to give away the strength the woman possessed. The assailant, beyond Zoe’s predictions, didn’t struggle, didn’t squirm.Instead, it chose to smile. “Hi!” The voice that came from the figure was surprisingly human. “I’m Anna. What’s your name?”
>>36199452Might make a good starting campaign for characters tied to the Elite Global Huntsmen Club: Gaston himself tasking you with discreetly putting down a Beast that he ought to have dealt with personally a long time ago. What a surprise for the players when he sends them not to the forest or to some castle ruins, but to the basement of his own manor house.>>36199592>>36199606Following right along with great interest.
>>36199622“You’d best keep quiet right now or I’ll blow away that pretty...blue...face.” Zoe blinked and finally took in the assailant she was holding against the wall. Her hair was braided into neat pigtails, and she appeared to be wearing winter apparel. Zoe could just barely pick up the little dots that could have passed as freckles dusting the girl’s face. She relented in her grip, holstering her pistol. “Son of a bitch, they can walk and talk, too.”“Nope, just me~!” The voice rang out. “Well, and Olaf. And the snowlems. And Elsa—but she never leaves her castle.”“Wait.” Catherine said, walking up to the animated ice statue. “Did you say your name was Anna?”“That’s me!”“Princess Anna of Arendelle—that Anna?”“Well, yes! And no. Kind of?” The ice statue shrugged her shoulders. “It’s complicated. The actual Anna—the living, breathing princess? She’s dead. Frozen into one of those ice statues right there in the harbor. I’m her, but at the same time not her. Get it?”“Saints alive,” Bernadette whispered. “So the rumors were true.”“Rumors?” Womack cocked his eyebrow. “What rumors?”“Rumors that Princess Anna’s death was part of what drove Queen Elsa mad.” Catherine pushed her glasses up the bridge of her nose.“And who are you guys, anyway?” The ice statue looked Catherine up and down. “You don’t look familiar, not one bit.” She eyed the stylized, red “A” patch on the sleeve of the emissary’s uniform.
>>36199636“We’re from across the sea,” Catherine said. “We’re here from the empire of Atlantis to see if your sister, Queen Elsa, would be open to establishing trade with our leader.”“Ooh, you wanna talk to Elsa?” The Anna statue cringed. “She’s not really good with people. Y’see, the last time she had to talk anyone—”“We know.” Thach said, walking to the fore. “She froze the entire country in a new Ice Age.”“Well not just that!” Anna stretched out her arms. “I’ve seen all sorts of people come through there! Adventurers, knights, bounty hunters and mercenaries—all of them wanting to speak with Elsa!”“And I’m assuming she didn’t give them the...warmest response,” Bernadette surmised.“Yeahhh.” The Anna statue twiddled her fingers. “Ice powers and social awkwardness—don’t mix that well.”“We noticed.” Zoe crossed her arms.“Wait—how come you’re the only ice statue that’s moving?” Kavita asked. “We’ve probably run into at least a hundred of the things scattered around the castle and there’s probably even more in town. All of them are about as lively as a Christmas goose.”The Anna statue frowned. “Honestly, I wouldn’t be able to tell you. Power of true love between two sisters? Anyone’s guess, really.”“Right—Love.” Kavita nodded. “Completely reasonable answer.”“Exactly!” Anna exclaimed.“Makes sense to me,” Lahey said.“Ohh, Zeke,” Kavita tutted, patting the man on the back.
>>36199655“Okay, wait.” Allyson cut in. “Anna. The Snow Queen, Elsa—she’s your sister?”“Well duuuuh, little Miss Bossy—haven’t you been paying attention?”“Anna.” The mercenary captain paused, taking a deep breath. “Would you happen to know where her castle is?”“Sure I do!” Anna quipped. “Every so often I go up to the castle doors and ask her if she’d let me in.” Anna’s cast her face downward. “She hasn’t so far. B-but that hasn’t stopped me from trying!”Allyson locked her pale blues on Anna’s transluscent blues. “Would you kindly take us up the mountain?”The ice statue furrowed her brow in thought. “Hmmmmm.”“Anna, we don’t mean your sister any harm.” The emissary tentatively laid a hand on the statue’s shoulder. “We just want to talk with her—no fuss, no strings attached. If she says no to our proposal, we leave—simple as that.”“Or shoot our way out,” Zoe snarked.“Either way, Anna—will you help us?”--I'll be taking a break here to take a shower and maybe grab some food. Be back in around twenty!
>>36199592, >>36199606, >>36199622>>36199636, >>36199655, >>36199704You definitely don't disappoint, Sir. This is living up to the quality of your previous installments, and not only have you nailed Ice Anna's personality, but you've really been making each member of the Atlantean A-Team distinct and memorable.Please take your time and don't rush on our account.
So what are we doing with the other things from Fantasia? It contained stuff besides gods of destruction and evil.
>>36199738Magicians apprentice mickey? MaybeThe creatures from the Nutcracker segment? SureGreek gods are already covered.The fucking ballerina hippos? NoThe death of the dinosaurs? How?
>>36199758Possibly not Mickey. Still, finding the Sorcerer's Tower would be pretty cool.Also, the death of the dinosaurs could be that dinosaur island was once a lot bigger. Then some shit went down, a bunch of dinos got wrecked and now they're stuck on Madagascar with everything shut down.
>>36199783Also, if this is the Bad End, would the tower be all flooded and shit, filled with insane sentient brooms? Would Mickey be kill?
>>36199758>Magicians apprentice mickey? The Magician's sanctuary could be the last safe place in Cherry Bomb's domain and be the final staging area for the heroes and allies to launch their assault from.>The creatures from the Nutcracker segment? I'll have to rewatch Fantasia to remember these guys. If nothing else, these threads have made me rewatch a lot of good movies.>Greek gods?You better believe we've got them in mind.>The fucking ballerina hippos?Should the PCs fall into a drunken or drugged sleep they might dream of ballerina hippos but that's it.>The death of the dinosaurs?Maybe something from the oral traditions of the living dinosaurs? Provided they can speak and sing, of course.
>>36199828>>36199801The tower might be a flooded ruin, or there could simply be evidence that "whatever apprentice was in charge of keeping the place clean made a terrible mess of things once upon a time" but I don't think that Mickey himself ought to be invoked directly.
>>36199840I think Mickey should never be directly referenced.Fun fact. The apprentice was originally going to be Dopey from Snow White.
>>36199855Really! You learn something new every day.
>>36199840I know, we don't reference Mickey. Still, we should make it a wink-wink-nudge-nudge-say-no-more moment. The players know it was Mickey, we know it was Mickey, but neither will directly say it.
>>36199735Well, I'm back--shower took longer than I thought but I think I can wait on eating until after this gets posted.Onward!--Admiral Swearengen sighed. “Now just—just tell me again what you’ve found out, Thach. Nice and slow.”“We found, the, uh, princess sir.” The captain’s voice buzzed over the speakers.“The dead princess.”“Correct, sir.”“But she’s alive now because of—and let me get this right—‘the power of true love between two sisters’?”The mercenary captain hesitated, her face scrunched up in a look of indecision. Allyson looked beside her to see Womack shaving a corner off one of his D-rations and plucking the bits of chocolate into his mouth. He answered Thach’s confused look with a shrug before going back to his snacking. “That’s...really our best guess at this point, Admiral.”
>>36199884Yeah, agreed. That's the way to do it. A fun "I-know-you-know-we-know" moment.
>>36199924The admiral slapped his face with the palm of his free hand, groaning. “Thach, I hope to God you aren’t reporting in from the wine cellar of that castle.”“Surprisingly no, sir. But I do think you and President Rourke will appreciate the bottles of 1872 Chateau Berger we’ve secured.”The admiral’s eyebrows shot up in surprise. “An 1872?”Thach smiled, twisting the aged bottle in her hands before jamming it back down into a pile of snow among several other bottles. “Damn good year if I say so myself—very robust, richly layered flavors of plum and cinnamon, with notes of oak and black cherry.”The admiral paused, mentally tasting the wine before shaking himself from his reverie. “Well thank you for securing a couple bottles for me, Captain, but I must ask you what in the world you’re planning to do with the resurrected princess.”“She’s taking us up the mountain, sir. All the way up to Elsa’s castle.”The admiral stroked his mustache. “And you can trust her to keep her word?”
>>36199940Thach looked back to the rest of her squad, huddled around a fire. Zeke had brought out his harmonica, while Catherine and Anna sang a duet in what she could only guess was Anna’s native language. Kavita sat contentedly, enjoying the music. Zoe had field stripped her pistol, bobbing her head to the music as she oiled down the barrel and slide. Pan, ever watchful, circled around the outer edge of the fire. “She doesn’t exactly seem like the type to lie, Admiral. Pan stared her in the eyes for a good minute before saying ‘her words ring true’.”“Yes, the Chinaman,” Swearengen huffed. “Well I do hope you start your journey up soon. Weather wizards aboard are telling me this break in the storm’s bound to last for two, three days tops. Best start making headway now and keep in touch. Bellerophon out.”“Acknowledged, Bellerophon. Grizzly will keep you posted. Over and out.” Allyson let go of the receiver and clipped it back on the side of the radio backpack.“Where do we go from here, Cap?” Tyreese said, stuffing the rest of his chocolate bar into his pack.
I've seen some pathetic shit on /tg/ in my days...But this fucking shit right here. This shit makes me lose faith in humanity.
>>36199960>>36199940>>36199924Original Villainous Elsa looks like an evil Toph Beifong who's swapped her earth bending for water bending.
>>36200007Don't lose heart Anon.
>>36200007>People being creative makes you lose faith in humanityOkay.
>>36200030>people being creative
>>36199924This exchange had me imagining Admiral Swearengen looking through the sub's periscope toward the castle ruins and seeing Ice Anna in a window, waving excitedly to the Bellerophon with both arms.
>>36200067Wait a minute.If people are never creative... then who and what are the posters in this thread?
>>36199960“I’m not sure,” the captain replied. “I’m getting that same feeling that I got in New Orleans.”“I thought you liked my uncles,” Bernadette pouted.“I said New Orleans—not Courir de Mardi Gras.” Allyson smiled. “And your uncles, food besides, are goddamn creepy. Between the antler crowns and the masks I thought someone was gonna get murdered during the festivities.”“They don’t mean anythin’ by it,” Bernadette chuckled. “They’re good people down there.” She looked toward the ice statue singing by the campfire, the light causing her skin to sparkle in the growing dusk. “There’s good people everywhere, Cap. Sometimes you just need to give’ em a chance.”The two started back to the campire. Allyson craned her neck upwards, watching the steam filter between her lips when she exhaled. “There’s a lot riding on this, Bernadette.”“Then it’s good to know the mission’s in good hands, ma’am.” The French woman nodded.A flash of red illuminates the night sky, catching the squad off guard. The Anna statue gasped. “Oh wow, fireworks? I didn’t know you guys brought fireworks!”“That’s cos it isn’t fireworks,” Ezekiel said.
>>36200107>What do you do as a hobby, anon?>"I write Disney fanfic on a Cantonese image message board"
>>36200107“Must be Jun’s squad signaling the all-clear,” Zoe said, reassembling her pistol and racking the slide.“It was,” Bernadette said, walking up to the group beside Allyson, one of her headset’s earphones cupped against her face. “Traffic on the airwaves is confirming as much.Allyson cleared her throat. “Now I’m pretty sure Womack told you already, but just in case—I want you all to get some rest. We have an early start tomorrow and I’ll need all of you in top condition. Singh, Lahey—you’ve got first watch. Rotate every four hours.” She turned to her demolitions expert. “Womack?”“Yes’m?” He answered.“Answer Jun’s call. Let the admiral know he can start bringing his toys into town.”“Aye aye.” The man nodded, setting down his lightning rifle and unholstering the grenade launcher strapped along his back. He thumbed the locking latch to the right, breaking open the launcher and allowing him to insert a flare round straight into the breech. The launcher locked back into position with a solid “clack”, after which he brought the launcher to his shoulder, aimed upward, and fired.The red flare already in the air was joined by its twin several seconds later, casting the ghost town in pale red and signaling a small army of engineers and drivers to begin mobilizing. The tent city outside of the Bellerophon would be gone by morning, the only indication it was even there being the outlines of tents marked out with stakes.
>>36200098Let's let the matter lie for now. Nothing to be gained from an internet argument about having fun the wrong way.>>36200107>A flash of red illuminates the night sky, catching the squad off guard. The Anna statue gasped. “Oh wow, fireworks? I didn’t know you guys brought fireworks!”>“That’s cos it isn’t fireworks,” Ezekiel said.I suddenly have a very bad feeling about this.
>>36200127>What do you do as a hobby, anon?>"I tell people they're dumb for liking things on a Cantonese image board"
>>36200144>Let's let the matter lie for now.So, as soon as somebody questions whether or not you're a person, you change the subject? YOU CAN'T FOOL ME, ALIEN SQUID GUY! TELL ME YOUR SECRETS!
>>36200129>Tell me a little about yourself, anon.>"Well, I enjoy writing Disney fanfic. I especially like including the recent movies, even though I'm a grown man with no children and should probably have no business watching these things.">"Oh, well -- what is the subject with the Disney characters?">"Glad you asked! They have guns and are at war! It's really violent."
>>36200155Would you rather it was Generic Tolkien Ripoff #4235376?
>>36200155Says the guy on /tg/. How's your collection of children's playing cards and little plastic men going, anon? I bet you've spent several hundred dollars/euros/pounds/buckazoids on it.
>>36200176>implying I play wargames/MTG and spend any money on tabletop>>36200163If it wasn't shit, sure.
>>36200188Then why are you here?
Maybe we oughtn't get ourselves caught up in a board battle about this. There aren't going to be any winners.>>36200129I was a bit premature about my flare-paranoia, but the fact that the Atlanteans are mobilizing in force doesn't bode well for the peace of Arendelle.
>>36200258Well, the obvious troll seems to have left. Is that a win?Still, yeah, we should get back to making the system.What else is there that still needs doing?
>>36196770>We need to decide whether attacker or defender gets priority.From the 1d4chan page:"If the roll of the aggressor is equal to or greater than the roll of the defender, the aggressor deals one Strike to the Defender."Seems pretty clear to me, but we could change it to check who has the highest bonus.
>>36200258Admittedly, what the Atlantean expedition is doing "setting up shop" would probably be considered military invasion by any other modernized nation, so let's just be thankful there isn't a UN in this universe and that the next best modernized nation is only up to leverguns and trains with the rest of the world divided among power hungry monarchs, religious zealouts, wannabe warlords, and literal demons.By the by, Pastebin link for this most recent installment:http://pastebin.com/YYEnt2Pw
Possible initiative method: 3d6 + Dex. If one side is unaware of or not expecting aggression from the other, then the other side automatically gets a round in before initiative is rolled.
>>36200405I do love Atlantis' portrayal in this setting as the lesser of the world's evils, and that legality of their missions across the globe by our modern standards aside, they are a major force for stabilization where they appear.Thanks again for this most recent installment. The whole story thus far has been incredibly enjoyable, and I look forward to reading more if you're thinking of continuing.>>36200299At the moment, it might be good to wait on the crunch-work until the folk who participated in the alpha test last night come back, but there are always things to do in these threads. Off the top of my head, I can think of:>Completing KLRs for the various villains of the world.>Statting and fluffing out NPC allies for the different Lands.>Brainstorming campaigns and individual adventure modules set in the different Lands.>Any and all prose, lyric or illustrative works that spring to mind.
>>36200583Unfortunately, I have nothing to add at this time, but I'm going to keep monitoring the thread to see what I can add once more people return.
All tie-breakers should be solved this way:"In the case of a tie between two Rolls, the highest roll is the one with the highest bonus. If it's still a tie, flip a coin to determine which roll should be considered the highest. "A good rule for Initiative would be:"To decide which character involved in the action gets to act first, everyone rolls 3d6 + Initiative. The Initiative of each character is equal to the sum of his Agility, his Intelligence and his Sensibility. Initiative gets its own spot on the character sheet, since it could be individually raised by Traits or Powers."
>>36201144Sounds good, but why Agility Intelligence and Sensibility? Just make it Agility.
>>36201217I'd presume so smart guys and sensibe guys can act as well.
>>36201217>why Agility Intelligence and Sensibility? Just make it Agility.Because only using Agility would create some problems.First, that would favour only Nimble Guys, while this way we are helping out Smart Guy and Sensible Guy.Second, it would give too much weight to the roll, which is dangerous in a system that relies on mooks being a dime a dozen.Third, it would go against what Agility is in this system: mostly hand - eye coordination. Reflexes and reaction speed are something you get out of Intelligence and Sensibility.
>>36201217>Sounds good, but why Agility Intelligence and Sensibility? Just make it AgilityI like this choice because, like the Anon above says, it allows smart and sensible guys to ac also, and does make a bit of sense.>Agility: Is naturally quick to react first.>Intelligence: Can spot an opening or weakness and exploit it.>Sensibility: Just has a gut feeling that tells him that he needs to react NOW and not later.
>>36201230>>36201282>>36201286Ok, seems reasonable.Do we need something else or are the rules done?
>>36201311Better mooks rules, villains rules and we still are not sure what to add to the Tiers.
>>36201353>>36201311As for the villains, something occured to meI think in order to be defeated, the villains should have A) To run out of strikes and B) To have a certain condition fullfilledThe Headless horseman for example, that anon posted that he could only be defeated over running water, but you still needed to chip away at all its strikesNo One, in Nob's game, in theory needed to be made over-use his powers so the Friends would eat him, not only get beaten up a lotSlap a second, more specific condition for villainsMake the TN for them 25~30
>>36201413Oh... that's an interesting idea. It's almost like the way that ideals/goals work, but in reverse.
>>36201441Well, it makes sense doesn't it? You can rarely defeat the villain in a disney movie in a simple way.Some would be simple enough, like scoring both social strikes and combat strikes. Maybe the social strike has to be directed at a certain nerve in particular, who knows?Others would be trickier and you'd need occult knowledge or maybe a high Sensibility + Insight roll to figure out what to doOf course, you can just wail on the boss until the Smart/Sensible guys figure out how to do it, that's pretty fun too."You stupid--!""Yeah yeah, give us a minute.">Strong Guy punches Jaffar in the face and sends him to sleep for two more rounds>"Did you find anythingalready?!">"Give us three more rounds!"
>>36201413>>36201441You could also have it so that in order to defeat a villain, each of the characters must fulfill one of their own ideals in some way during the fight.For instance, let's say the Atlantean Mechanic Mahrikatohka was fighting one-on-one against a mook or toady. Her ideals are to:1. Experience the world2. Fix broken machines3. Get into trouble.In order to defeat this enemy, she would have to not only get them to run out of strikes, but to do so in a way that incorporates one of her ideals, such as:1. Using a skill or bit of knowledge she'd learned in her world travels.2. Repairing a contraption that captures, banishes or blows up her enemy.3. Uses a roguish trick or prank to catch the mook off guard.
>>36201413>>36201487>>36201489Sounds annoying as shit. Some villains should have secret weanesses, but everyone? Fuck that
>>36201513>>36201489True. Thinking about it a bit more, this sounds more like a campaign end-boss applicable mechanic if anything. It sounded good in my head but in application it really would get annoying. Thanks for pointing it out.
So, I'm thinking of starting to stat some of the Kings. Anybody got any ideas for interesting mechanics I can them? I considered giving Shere Khan a fear thing where players would have to roll a save to not get paralysed with fear on their turn before they could act, but that just sounds boring and irritating because anybody not resistant to that kind of thing just can't do shit.
>>36201513Yeah, we definitely don't need to make every mook and lackey a puzzle boss.
>>36201513>>36201536>>36201636Not EVERYONE, just the bosses and shit. Maybe a mini boss if it is a high-tier campaign>>36201625What if it is a timed thing? In five turns or so, the fear strikes in and the sensible or insightful players can roll to detect that something's wrong?
>>36201625I can see how this will be a challenge seeing as how each king is very different in terms if their powers and the win conditions against them. Was Elsa statted out in a previous thread? I feel like she was. She would be a prime example of a king or queen in this case being more affected by song and social interaction than by brute force.
>>36201625Kings should be annoying as shit to fight for people that got to them unprepared.If you want to fight Shere Kan, Ruler of India, you better research his powers and find a way to counter them before walking up to him.
>>36201657We already have three tiers of PC: Zero, On-A-Roll and Hero. What about three tiers of enemies: Mooks, Lackies, and Bosses?
>>36201625Horned King should fight the players on top of a pile of dead bodies, which he keeps there as a defense mechanism. As soon as the fight begins, roll 3d6 every 6 rounds. If the result is more than 14, roll another 1d6. This is the number of Cauldronborn that spawn in random locations.
>>36201695Actually, make that every 3 rounds. What this means is that the players had better break the Cauldron and kill Horny quickly, before they get zerg rushed by cauldronborn.
Okay, I'm awake, at least until I have to go to work.>>36200405Another splendid part to the story, nicely done.
Just how powerful is maleficiant?
>>36202121I need to really finish my "The Hunt" story.
>>36202297On a scale from 1 to Maleficient?
>>36202311Hammer it out when you can, there's no rush. Write when it feels right.
>>36202350I've been trying to rework the idea a little in my head, because I've jumped on board with the idea that the She-Beast is Belle's daughter and not Belle herself. No major changes made, but it does raise more questions.
>>36197230>Right, but it's DISNEY, so every character should sing to express any kind of emotion.I wouldn't say that at all. Songs either set the stage, establishing a mood for a new location or character, or they serve to set up a critical change in a place or character. Two characters that didn't like each other fall in love? That gets a song. A new character is introduced? That gets a song. A character than used to be silly becomes serious after someone he loves dies? That gets a song.Fights don't usually involve singing in Disney movies.Also, it's important to remember that it's not always the characters that sing: nearly the entire songbook of Tarzan, for example, was sung by a "narrator". Many iconic songs like "The Circle of Life" are sung by a narrator as opposed to a character.
>>36201692Mooks, Lackies, The Inner Circle, Villain.Gives you some wiggle room with both mooks being meatshields only having numbers on their side, lackies being the ones who enforce the villains rule. The Inner Circle are those who are the most trusted servants, lieutenants, and advisers to the villain, like Oogie-Boogie would have Lock, Shock, and Barrel being his inner circle with some corrupted forms of the Halloween town folks. Inner circle would be subject to the weakness system but it would be very easy, like the three I mentioned would both have to sustain strikes and you'd have to break up their ability to work together and cause infighting. Villains of course have the weakness system in place so that you can't just wail on them for a win, Disney don't work like that. Oogie-Boogie for example would require strikes capable of cutting him open and a way to prevent all the bugs from going around and possessing more shit.
>>36202601After Villain, I'd say, should come King, containing all the minor or less powerful kings, like Rourke, Shan Yu, Facilier, Davy Jones, etc. Then there's God - Ursula, Jafar, Maleficent and Hades. Then there's Godslayer, a tier containing only Chernabog and the Firebird. Maybe Aurora Borealis, because he's supposedly pretty powerful, right?(Please note: God tier does not mean "they are literally a god", but it does mean they could stand up to a god. Jafar would be a low-level god, but if you're the mightiest sorcerer in the world then you can probably stand a chance against Hades. Meanwhile, Maleficent is queen of every single Fae. All the shit fae can do? She can do that and then some. Elsa would probably be in between God and King, varying depending on what mood she's in.)
>>36202771Thanks! I only wrote the second one, though. I'd say the classification of each individual villain should be done by the thread. And I'm considering renaming Godslayer - you might kill Hades, Jafar and Ursula but that doesn't mean you can 1v1 Cherno Alpha.
>>36198699Ok, I'm here.Do people actually want to hear the weird personal songs I wrote for specific scenarios? I don't imagine you all would, but I'll post them if there's interest.
From last night:- Self-Delusion: +4 to dealing with uncomfortable truths, so long as you refuse to accept them.
>>36202965ok fineSung to the tune of “Unworthy of your love” – Assassins, 1991SVERDI am nothing,You are wind and water and skyI wonderTell me, ElsaHow is it that one loves?I can swim oceansI can move mountainsI would do anything for youBut I don’t know how to go about loving you.I am unworthy of your loveOf this I can swearI’ll never be worthy of your loveIt is the cross that I must bear.Set me freeHow can I learn to loveI plea.ELSAI feel nothing,Only touch wind and cold and snowYet alsoFrom my blood and warming bonesWhat is love?I can feel fireI can drink poisonBut my heart is who I’m talking toI don’t know how to feel about youMaybe I don’t know how to feel at allLooking at a now unfrozen skyI see that I’ve done nothing but feelMaybe if I could only learn to love,Set me free.SVERDI would come take you from this lifeELSAI would come join you in this lifeSVERDI would live at the edge of a knifeELSAI would come walk with you through hellSVERDI swear I’d die for youELSAI’d never lie to youSVERDEven thoughELSAEven thoughSVERDI will always knowELSAI will always knowSVERDI am unworthy of your loveELSAI can’t be worthy of your love(SIMULTANEOUS SINGNG)SVERDI want to be worthy of your love.ELSAI know that you’re worthy of my love.BOTHWant to find some way to learn to loveWait for meI swear I’ll somehow learn to loveIf you set me free.
>>36203003Sing to the tune of “Out Tonight” – Rent, 2009 version, heavily modifiedSVERDWhat’s the time?Well it’s gotta be close to midnightMy body’s talking to meSaying ‘I can feel the danger’.It says ‘I wanna disrupt a crimeWanna break up some fightWanna put on a robe and helpUp some stranger’I’ve had a knack from way backAt ignoring the rules and trying to fix theGameGet-up life’s too quickI know someplace sickWhere we can just stay by the flamesWe don’t need any moneyI always get in for freeYou can get in tooIf you get in with meLet’s just stop tonightI can’t go out tonightNo time to playLet’s run awayWe won’t be backBefore it’s New Years DayOr else let’s just stay here tonight.Let’s not go tonightI just wanna stay tonightTonight I won’t prowlWon’t be an owlJust take my hand and together we can howl,Out tonightLet’s just stay here tonightDon’t forsake me tonightLet you make me tonightTonight-tonight-tonight!
>>36202917I'd be happy to take a read and a listen. Your contributions to these threads have been great.
>>36203003>>36203015Those aren't creepy or bad at all.thanks based sverd
>>36203003>>36203015I like it, but it seems a little waifu-ish. Then again, the character Sverd is implied to have a thing for Elsa, if I remember correctly. And there is nothing wrong or uncommon about that.
>>36203003>>36203015Good stuff, man, you have a talent for these lyrics.Anyway, time for work. I'll catalogue everything tonight.
>>36203096The entire point of his existence (Before learning about Churned Borg and taking it upon himself to save the world) is to return to and restore Arrendelle, and based off the nature of his character and that of Elsa, it only makes sense to write a couple of love songs.Also, I was out of ideas for songs to write. I have a lot. I'll probably write more later.
>>36203140I know I'd like to hear more whenever you have more available.
>>36203015I think ill try to paraody a songSing to the tune of Low PlacesBlame it all on my roots I showed up in boots And ruined your black occult affair The last one you know The last one to show I was the last one You thought you'd see there And I saw the surprise And the fear in their eyes When I took my gun in handAnd I roasted you Said, honey, we may be through But you'll never see run'Cause I've got friends in dark places Where the debts run wildAnd the friends chase good away But I'll be okay I'm not big on righteous graces But i seem to be the last the oasis Oh, I've got friends in dark places Might try to finish the rest of the song later on
>>36203428That's pretty great. Well done!
>>36203428*See me run
I know everyone likes Les Mis and this is one of the most recognizable showtunes in existence, so I swallowed my pride a little and converted it into something about the PCs convincing Rourke to help them.Sing to the tune of “Do you hear the people sing” – Les Miserables, 1987 versionPARTY LEADDo you hear the people sing?Singing the song of all true menIt is the music of a peopleWho will fight until the end!When the beating of all heartsEcho the beating of the drumsThere is a life about to startWhen tomorrow comes!STRAIGHT MAN/STRONG GUYWill you join in our crusade?Who will be STRONG and stand with me?Somewhere beyond those jaded wallsIs there a world you long you see?SMART/SENSIBLE GUYThen join in the fightThat will give you the right to be free!ALLDo you hear the people sing?Singing the son of all true menIt is the music of the peopleWho will fight right till the end!When the beating of all heartsEcho the beating of the drumsThere is a life about to startWhen tomorrow comes!NIMBLE/CHARISMATIC GUYWill you give all you can giveJust so we can advance a stepSome will fall and some will liveWho will come to take their chance?The blood of the evilWill spell out the steps of the dance!ALL AND ROURKEDo you hear the people sing?Singing the song of all true men.It is the music of a peopleWho will fight right till the end!When the beating of all heartsEcho the beating of the drumsThere is a life about to startWhen tomorrow comes!It hurts. It hurts inside.
>>36203428I always love it when someone other than me writes a song, particularly a good one. NICE.
>>36203140So, just for clarification purposes, is Sverd actually in love with Elsa, or is he just devoted to her?Also to you and Jeremiah, you don't mind if I keep using them for Disney team prime stories, do you?
>>36203596Sverd's never actually seen Elsa in person, and he's not devoted to her in particular - just the fact that she is Queen of Arrendelle makes her worthy of his devotion, in his eyes. The locket is something he bought from a small trinket shop as he was fleeing Arrendelle from the deadly winter, to remind him to return one day. It's just that there's a great potential for CHIVALRY and HONOR upon meeting her.
>>36203596By the way, Cartographer, in light of the recent poll to remove Mononoke, can you give us an updated map? We voted to keep it Ghibli-free.
>>36203596>>36203713Oh yeah, we did that.Gib new map, plz.
>>36203596I've been loving those Disney Team Prime stories, so I really hope that you continue them if you've been enjoying the work.
>>36203640None of that is set solely in stone, of course. That's just my general ideas based around Sverd, as he's actually a year younger than Elsa (Who's 21 in the movies), and since he didn't actually get to come down on Coronation, it wouldn't make much sense for him to have met Elsa or anything. He's just following off his Father's words, much like the rest of his entire ideology and mindset.Also, PLEASE continue the Disney Team Prime stories. It's some top-tier writefaggotry.
>>36203640You know what would actually be really great? A song in which Ice Anna is urging Sverd on in his HEROIC and CHIVALROUS quest to cure his Queen's madness, hinting every few lines that she's actively trying to promote a love connection.
>>36203828That's.... Brilliant.I know what my next song will be.
>>36198330The Friends are the Friends. Do not explain them.
>>36203596Not at all
>>36203713>>36203730I'll see to that as soon as I can. I haven't quite caught up on the threads
>>36203983To summarise the results of what went down: Japan should now be divided up between the Pirates, the EITC, Ursula, the Huns and possibly Aurora Borealis.Also, what kind of ground troops does Ursula have? It's clear that she can turn a mer-person into a human, but can she turn them back, or give them the ability to change on their own?
>>36204029Crabs. Giant Crabs, Tutrles and Squids
>>36204046>SquidsHow do they get on land?
>>36204073They walk on their tentacles.
>>36204073You ever seen Octo-Dad?
>>36204029>Japan should now be divided up between the Pirates, the EITC, Ursula, the Huns and possibly Aurora Borealis.Wait, I thought we were just recoloring Shinto Spirits to Aurora Borealis? I don't want to start up that argument again, but I was under the impression that's what was meant.
>>36204029I don't think breathing is a problem for them on land - Ariel's able to not just breathe and talk, but sing when she's on land. The problem is walking.>>36204094>>36204100She doesn't get much done when she sends her troops on to the land, does she.
>>36204110Pirates, EITC, Huns and Ursula were there before. That's exactly what we're doing.
>>36204100Why would Ursula control a totally ordinary human guy?
>>36204157Surprise effect, I'd guess.
>>36204157Well, she's technically the god of the sea. Maybe she has a cult?
>>36204218>Ia! Ia! Ursula f'taghn!
>>36204029>>36204110Sounds Easy EnoughChanges:>Remove Gibhli
>>36204218>>36204218That's what I was thinking for the larger islands like Sicily and Sardinia. The smaller ones she would just flood over, but on the bigger ones she should have cults
>>36204336Nitpicks: The blue lines in India are unevenly spaced, which triggers my autism something fierce. The border between Frollo's Italy and the Fey Lands should have at least a thin contested buffer zone, as I can't imagine Follo not continually sending troops in.Similarly, Prydain should have a thin contested zone between it and everyone else, to represent the slow creep of the Black Fog.
>>36204046>squids as ground troops in Japan
>>36204959Clearly they are Charm based mooks.
>>36204046Weren't there shark-people and not!deep-ones in the Aladdin and Little Mermaid cartoon series?
>>36205124Not sure but I do remember one episode of The Little Mermaid having a mad scientist who made experiments on crabs and lobsters to turn them into gigantic monsters.
It took me an incredible amount of searching before just giving up and going to the Frozen OST, but I did it, >>36203828Sing to the tune of “Fixer Upper” - FrozenICE ANNAWhat’s the issue, then?Why are you holding back from getting there?Is it the cold and biting snow?Or maybe just your huge ego?Or all the talk aboutThe frozen corpses there?And even though I can tell you careIt doesn’t seem like you’re all thereBut I’ve never met a fellow who’s soTotally incomplete!So you’re a bit of a fixer-upper,So you’ve got a few flaws,Like your peculiar brain dear,That thing with the alligator,That’s a little outside of nature’s laws!So you’re a bit of a fixer-upperBut I’m certain ofI can fix this fixer-upperUp with a little bit of love!SVERDLove? What are youOff on about?We’ve got a real, actual problem here.ICE ANNAI’ll say! So tell me then,Is it how you’re devastatingly scared?Or that you’re socially impaired?But, man have I got just the girl for you!SVERDWhat?ICE ANNAAre you acting so dang causelessBecause of your unmanly blondnessOr the way you try to hideThe fact you’re clearly honest goods?SVERDHey!ICE ANNASo you’re a bit of a fixer-upperAnd you’ve got a couple bugsYour repressed infatuation is confirmationOf your desperation for human loveSo you’re a bit of a fixer-upperBut I know just what to doThe way to fix this fixer-upperIs just with you-know-who!SVERDENOUGH! I just need youTo get us there, okay?(Beat)FINALE NEXT POST
>>36205166ICE ANNASo you’re a bit of a fixer-upperIt’s a minor thingYour lack of patience is just a need for embracementAnd by the way, I don’t see no ring!So you’re a bit of a fixer-upperYou brain’s a bit betwixtShove your need to prove out of the way andThe whole thing will be fixed!I’m not saying you can really change ‘emCause people don’t really changeI’m only saying that love’s a forceThat’s powerful and strangePeople make bad choices if they’re madOr scared, or stressedThrow a little love their wayAnd you’ll bring out their best!True love brings out their best!Everyone’s a bit of a fixer-upper,That’s what it’s all about!We need each other to raiseUs up and round us out.Everyone’s a bit of a fixer-upper,But when push comes to shoveThe only fixer-upper fixerThat can fix a fixer-upper isTrue! True!True, true, true!Love!
>>36205124Sharkanians, Octopids, Manta People and Sea Dragons.
>>36205233Then we know what must be done.
>>36205402Sharkanians, Octopids, Manta People and Sea Dragons.
>>36205471You want to do a Sea Dragon?
>>36205165What if he's now one of Ursula's minions, creating her shock troopers in exchange for all the guinea pigs he wants?
>>36205481We're running a system where you can sing to get better results on any skill check, and you don't expect us to all be Bards?
>>36205513See? This is what we should use the Animated Series for.
>>36205541Does getting your beak wet count as a strike?
>>36205802Not really. Getting out-songed does, though.General results:Initiative is 1d6+Agility. Charming Guys have a power to make it 1d6+Charm.Attacker gets priority over defender on a tie.Defense on mooks needs to be pumped to 22.Villains need to be tougher, either through puzzle-bossness or via having lots of strikes -- players burn through them very quickly -- perhaps come up with some Traits that grant +Prevent Harm or +Endure?
>>36205992>Initiative is 1d6+Agility.I don't like it: it should be like this>>36201144>>36201217>>36201230>>36201282>>36201286>>36201311
>>36206061I'm not sure why we're adding intelligence and sensibility, that seems to remove the entire point of having a Nimble Guy around -- he acts first and fastest. Moreover, Intelligent and Sensible characters aren't really the combat monsters of a party.
>>36206101We already talked about why, it was a good explanation.>>36201282>>36201286Intelligent ans sensible characters should be able toa ct too
>>36205992Villains should just have a ton of strikes, but also have a creative solution that allows the PCs to beat them without getting rekt, like burning No One's paintings, destroying a power source, bringing a weakness learned through their adventures, etc.>>36206061No, I don't like that very much. Agreeing with Nob, initiative should generally go, if people have formatted somewhat generic characters stat-wise, Special circumstance/Player who rushed in first>Nimble Guy>Strong Guy>Charismatic Guy>Sensible or Smart guy
>>36206137That's....Not really a good reason....Combat should be balanced so it's more than one round, not just forcing Intelligent and Sensible characters to the top of the acting list.
>>36206147>>36206137Why nimble guy first? Initiative is not about how fast you are, is about reaction. Sensibility is clearly more important yo it.
>>36206174>why nimble guy first>initiative is about reaction>somehow this is sensibility and not agility
>>36206174Because... that's their entire schtick is being fast and flexible?
>>36206162I don't think we would be forcing Sensible Guy and Intelligent Guy to the top of the acting list: we would just be giving relevance to more than one Attribute.Sorry, but I also prefer the Intelligence plus Sensibility option.>>36206192You are confusing Agility with D&D's Dexterity. Sensibility is about reacting to the world around you.This anon>>36201286explained it best. It's a good concept.
>>36206236I fail to see how knowing where a weakness is and how to exploit it, or knowing that you do indeed need to act now would actually make you physically faster, in comparison to just being fast and having a quick reaction time.
>>36206234>>36206192Pretty stupid reason: running fast doesn't mean being the first to react. not on its own, at least: being quick of mind and perceptive should be just as improtant>>36206236Right, we are not playing D&D. Agility is not dexterity
>>36206236>>36206298>I don't think we would be forcing sensible guy and intelligent guy to the top of the listThen you clearly underestimate the creation system. Sensible and Intelligent guys usually have very high if not maxed Sensibility or Intelligence, but Dextrous characters tend to only get up to ~10. Generally, this would make the characters who are knowledgeable and perceptive quicker on their feet than the person whose entire schtick is being QUICK ON THEIR FEET.
>>36206294Being perceptive to your surroundings means that you can immediately pick up how shit is going down and then react to it first.>>36206319First, that doesn't sound right: Nimble Guys can put everything in Agility and be done with it, since they can do pretty much everything with it. Intelligent and Sensible Guys still need to put something in Robustness of Agility to work with Prevent Harm. Also, Nimble Guys are better in combat than Sensible and Intelligent Guys, so I see no reason to leave the first Initiative spot to them pretty much all the time: 1d6+Agility is just insane.
>>36206236Ehhhhh....not...really? Lemme go at it.>>36201286>opening or a weaknessThat doesn't not necessarily mean that an intelligent person should be able to react because he 'saw an opening'. The way this is phrased brings to mind more an image of the intelligent guy going more last-ish. hanging back and studying. identifying weak points, openings and the like and THEN exploiting it.>gut feeling to react nowOkay cool. What if its wrong though? What if his gut feeling says 'STRIKE NOW' and he botches up everything? Or his instinct is wrong about what to react to? Like instead of jumping away from a bomb underneath him, he ducks?The way I see it, sensible and/or intelligent guys should maybe, if the GM lets them, get a chance to recognize that combat might starting (from stuff like identifying an ambush, getting a feeling that the guys in front of them are leading into a trap, etc) and should optionally provide a check to see if they get a bonus for initiative.
>>36206397>nimble guys better in combat than sensible and intelligent guys.Okay, so you don't know the system. You realize that physical damage isn't everything that deals a strike right?
Calm down boys.Being the one who proposed the 3d6 + Agility + Intelligence + Sensibility system, I personally think it works pretty well.Still, I can also see why someone would want to just go with Agility alone, since it would be more in line with Agility as everything that influences reaction speed.Can we just make a strawpoll for it, instead of going around bickering like headless chickens?
>>36206477The 3d6 system isn't good either. 1d6 makes things less BELL CURVE-y.
>>36206477No. Because you're giving ROBUST and strong and agile characters the axe. Thanks fucker
>>36206421That's why it's Agility AND Sensibility.>>36206445But Strong Guys and Nimble Guys are still better at dealing them, since they get weapons. And since every one uses weapons to attack, Robustness and Agility are better at avoiding Strikes.>>36206484Then why are you playing a system that uses 3d6 FOR EVERYTHING ELSE?!>>36206477No: 1d6 + Agility is quite frankly a terrible idea. I don't want to vote on it.
>>36206528>weapons>better at dealing strikesNigger, are you retarded? Weapons give bonuses because people wear armor. Using Social is much, much better than using weapons, so much that we were considering making it take longer to hit by social.>playing a system that used 3d6 for everything elseIt uses 4d6k3, 5d6k3, 4d6, 2d6, and a lot of other things. It's not just 3d6.>1d6+agility is a terrible ideaAnd thats how we know you're retarded
>>36206484Nob, we are using three dice for ever roll: why should Initiative be any different?I would be okay with 3d6 + Agility, but why only one die? Why would you want to avoid the bell curve now?>>36206528>>36206499Why would you want to avoid a poll? We are making a system together: seeing who wants what would be the best way to decide.
>>36206567What do we use 2d6 for?>Weapons give bonuses because people wear armor. Using Social is much, much better than using weapons, so much that we were considering making it take longer to hit by social.A fine point, but calm down. I'm pretty sure he's not doing it on purpose.
>>36206612There was some power proposed back in like thread ~17 or something that involved using 2d6. But god damn it, after spending so much time balancing this system I'd hope that people wouldn't be so stupid.>>36206569>why would we want to use 1d6Makes things simpler. 'Course, you could do 3d6, I don't really care, but I'm going with what the playtest group said on this one.>why would we want to avoid making a pollBecause if he makes the poll it'll be missing crucial options or obviously biased towards his answer.
>>36206528>But Strong Guys and Nimble Guys are still better at dealing them, since they get weapons. And since every one uses weapons to attack, Robustness and Agility are better at avoiding Strikes.Only physical strikes, which aren't even applicable against all opponents.>Then why are you playing a system that uses 3d6 FOR EVERYTHING ELSE?!Because it serves our purposes to make everything else bellcurvy.
>>36206567>And thats how we know you're retardedFuck you too, namefag.
>>36206651Why is Initiative the only thing you don't on a bellcurve?>>36206650>Makes things simpler.But EVERYTHING ELSE uses more than one dice, why shoul THIS ONE roll be simpler?
>>36206694>not striving for things to be simpleIt's like i'm back in pathfinder general or something.
>>36206651>Because it serves our purposes to make everything else bellcurvy.>>36206650>Makes things simpler.This is something I don't understand: we are indeed using multiple dice for all of our stuff, so why do we want Initiative to be so different?
>>36206694The whole system was made in order to be simple, dudeYour new is showing
>>36206727Nob, don't be a cunt tonight: we are using 3d6 for most of our stuff, so using 1d6 for this one roll would actually make it harder to remember.It's like in WoD, where Initiative is the only roll with a different mechanic from the rest: why? I don't understand it there and I don't understand it here.3d6 + Agility? Sure, I'm on board. 1d6 + Agility? I honestly don't understand why.
>>36206727>>36206782Do you have mental problems?>>36206788Here:>we are using 3d6 for most of our stuff, so using 1d6 for this one roll would actually make it harder to remember.Why do I have to remember a different rules when everything else uses 3d6?
>>36206788I'm not really attached to the 1d6 system, honestly. I think it would make things more balanced in combat, but if people really want 3d6 for it for some reason I guess we could do it.>>36206825There are lots of rules that don't use 3d6. What are you on about?
Things are getting way too heated around here. Can we stop calling each other retard for a moment?I'm sure we can talk about Initiative without being children about it.
>>36206825>>36206788The more dice you roll, the less significant your modifiers become. We roll 1d6 for intitiative and 3d6 for everything else because we want modifiers to be more significant for inititiative than other rolls.
Can't we just make each side roll a d6 and whoever scores higher wins? It's basically flipping a coin
>>36206847>but if people really want 3d6 for it for some reasonBut Nob, I gave you a reason: because it's easier to remember as a rule. It goes along with most of our rolls.
>>36206879>The more dice you roll, the less significant your modifiers become. We roll 1d6 for intitiative and 3d6 for everything else because we want modifiers to be more significant for inititiative than other rolls.Why? Who goes first should always stay the same but who hits and who gets hit should change a lot? It makes no sesne as a reason.>>36206881Even worse idea: now nothing matters.
I still think maybe we should give the option to use another stat instead of Agility for the roll. I just don't want Agility to become the godstat like in so many RPGs.
>>36206881Now this is just being stupid on purpose.
>>36206942Charming characters will get the ability to use Charm so that they can get their Deceit on.>>36206881That make initiative entirely random. Would work in some games but not this one.
>>36206922Because we want initiative to be be consistent and reliable and striking to be inconsistent and only so reliable. It makes for better gameplay.
>>36206942Maybe people should chose between Agility, Intelligence and Sensibility?>>36206972But why Charm? Why only Charm? You have problems with being perceptive allowing you to react faster, but having a strong personality is a great reason to go first?
Hannah: Arrendelle, the city of loversIs shining this eveningTrue, that's because it's frozen solidBut still, there's "l'amour"Somewhere out there in the nightHer Heart also twinkles bright,And I know the guy she just mightBe shining for...A guy like youShe's never known, Sir KnightA guy like youA girl does not meet ev'ry dayYou've got a lookThat's all your own, Sir KnightCould there be two?Like you?No way!Those other guysThat she freezesAll look the sameFrom ev'ry boring point of viewYou're a surpriseYour type always pleasesMy scars and blotches say it must be true She's gotta loveA guy like youSverd:Hannah!Hannah:A guy like youGets extra creditBecause it's trueYou've got a certain some thing moreYou're aces, Sir KnightYou hear this lunkhead talkYou don't forget it Does she want something new?That's you!For sure!She and I have gapedAt the same back-stabbing AdonisBut then we crave a mealMore nourishing to chewAnd since you're as thickAs Last Wednesday's StewNo question ofShe's gotta loveA guy like you!Sverd:Hannah I don't have any fe-Hannah:Call me a hopeless romaticBut Sverd, I feel it.I think she wants you, or your company some more...Any moment she'll walk through that doorFor a guy so swell,A guy who fought Hades in Hell.With all you bring her, I tell you Sir Kniiiight.Even another fool like you could tell...There never was...It's why she fell...for there's other bachelors where?Fell for my favorite dent-head.Ohh, from Slave Master to KingIn every bout.You'll win the fight, they're all lousy wussies.You've got the baddest tushie!When she wants to get a little heatThen she wants you toute sweet!Listen to me, Sir Knight,You shouldn't give up the Fight!Who wouldn't love a guyLike you?Ohhh, You got a burning fireThe rest...(looks around at the frozen people)...don't.So she's gotta loveA guy like you!(I couldn't help it, and I know it's derivative, but it fit so perfectly.)
>>36207006>why only charm?Because charm is the generally offensive social stat? Moreover, because Charm's current power is absolutely what the fuck bonkers and needs to be changed?
>>36207006>One guy starts to go first"Come on, can't you let me go first just this once? Please?">"Oh, all right then.">Charm guy goes firstPerfect!
>>36206998Who says it's better game play? Being the first to react to very different situations should be more up to chance than being good at combat.
>>36207070Well maybe we can have a poll about it, and THEN we'll know who says it's better, hm?http://strawpoll.me/3005924
My computer's been having internet connection issues for the last while, so it's difficult to post, but hopefully I can get this one in:>>36207032FUCKING BEAUTIFUL
>>36207033> Moreover, because Charm's current power is absolutely what the fuck bonkers and needs to be changed?This I wholeheartedly agree with: I made it a long time before we decided that every Attribute should be just as good ad dealing Strikes.And yet, I still don't see why Charming Guys should get this power: is Social Combat is OP, shouldn't we give them something less combat related?And allow Smart Guys, who are less social but who can help the rest of the party, use Intelligence instead?
>>36207132Social combat is not CURRENTLY horrendously overpowered. Moreover, Charming guys, unlike Intelligent and Sensible guys, have little to no use outside of social combat. Sensible guys get to make Medicine checks, can use Sensibility for common sense, etc.
>>36207121>http://strawpoll.me/3005924Thank you: we can finally put an end to this.If more people like 1d6, be it, but going around screaming like this is clearly pointless.
>>36207155What do you mean they have no use outside of social combat?They are the ones with most of Persuasion, Deceit and Music! Those are big fucking deals!
>>36207201As compared to Sensibility's Persuasion, Science, Music, Barter, Driving, and any roll they can use Common Sense on, and Intelligences Persuasion, Deceit, Science, Occult, Academics, Barter, Driving, Craft, Linguistics, and Intimidate?
>>36207201>They are the ones with most of Persuasion, Deceit and Music! Those are big fucking deals!Kinda have a point, there. In a Disney setting, the charismatic guy would always get to do the most out-of-combat activity.
>>36203596Dread, if you need more for your Team Prime, feel free to add in Hannah too.Although, I have changed one of her ideals to 'Make Horrific Puns'
>>36207250I think we are just using the Attributes in a very different way.In my mind, using Sensibility for Music and Persuasion would never be that easy, just like using Intelligence and Intimidate, or Intelligence or Deceit, or Intelligence and Persuasion.I mean: being smart doesn't make you good at lying.Charm, to me, was alway supposed to be the Attribute that would have seen more social play than any one else.
>>36207201Even more physically inclined characters can be of great use out of combat. For traversing obstacles in the environment, for instance. Also, solos in a musical number are rare in Disney. Half of to the whole party ought to participate in the song. If you try to sing it all yourself there should be a penalty to its success.Encourage teamwork. Power of Friendship n' shit.
>>36207121HOw long are you going to keep this open?
>>36207393>Even more physically inclined characters can be of great use out of combatI really hope so!I just think that it's silly to say that Charming Guys get "little to no use outside of social combat".
>>36207368>Hard to use sensibility for persuasionWhat? Appealing to someone's common sense is hard?"Have you considered unionizing" is literally a class power.>Intelligence and persuasionIs logical argument.>Intelligence and deceitIs logical-sounding argument.
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>>36207333Post her stats and I'll add her in the next story arc
>>36207460But Common Sense doesn't have a lot to do with Sensibility.Sensibility is being perceptive about the world around you, but it doesn't make you down to earth.And being Smart doesn't really mean that you can show others the logic behind your ideas.Charm should be the way to convince someone that yeah, your idea is the most logcal one, not the one "that nerd over there" came up way with.I mean, if we let Smart and Sensible Guys do every thing you should do with Charm, then yeah, Charming Guys get left behind.
>>36207333Sounds like she'd get along well with Mahrikatohka.
>>36207614>sensibility doesn't mean down to earthWhat.I. What. Sensible characters are literally supposed to be like Belle, down to earth people who are perceptive.>Being smart>can't make logical argumentsThe inspiration for the Smart characters are multiple characters in Atlantis.
>>36207614Wait, are you using Sensible to indicate someone with good senses?
>>36207649Sensible characters are people that pay attention, that stay in touch with the reality around them, but that doesn' mean Common Sense.Shit, Belle doesn't even have all that Common Sense: she's butting head with everyone around her and dreaming about a different life. If she had Common Sense she would have stopped reading books and found herself a husband.>>36207649Being Smart means you know the truth, not that you can convince peope of it.If Smart people were good at convincing other people, politics would be made up of them and scientists would have no problems getting funds. Instead. . .>>36207651Shit, I think I am. I mean, I'm my language they are the same word.I always meant sensible as someone who senses stuff, not as a synonim for reasonable.
>>36207767Sensible in this case is a synonym for reasonable, especially this is supposed to be Disney. Especially when it comes to common sense.
>>36207767>I always meant sensible as someone who senses stuff, not as a synonim for reasonable.No, it's not wrong, it can also be that, but I'm sure many immediately thought of it as. . . yeah, reasonable. Honest mistake, I guess.
>>36207807Ah, shit.>>36207796Ah, fuck.Yeah, I can see where the problem was born.Eh. I introduced Sensibility as an Attribute and built a lot of mechanics around it, and then it turns out I have been using in a completely different way from the otehr main developer of the system.Sorry Nob, I now see why the confusion.
>>36207864It's pretty funny, yeah.Truly a Disney thread: WACKY MISUNDERSTANDINGS ALL AROUND!
>>36207767Charisma lets you produce flash, Intelligence and Sensibility let you produce substance. Presuming your flash isn't horrendous, you can have an argument become very convincing by virtue of having lots and lots of substance.
>>36207903Wow, lots of fun.>>36207918Well, too late to cry about it now: I guess Sensibility stay as Reasonableness.Back on track: what about Initiative? Because we have been stuck here for a while, now.>>36207940>you can have an argument become very convincing by virtue of having lots and lots of substance.Right: lots and lots of substance. The Smart Guy keeps handing out the truth, the Charming Guy easily smash him down with logical fallacies and feelings.I really think that the Charming Guy being better at Persuasion, Deceit and Music should be a given.I mean, that's his point: if we take that away, what is he left with?
I'm new to this project, so can someone explain; how is there an East India trading company if Britain is eaten by bears? And different periods of time existing simultaneously?
Looks like 3d6 initiative system wins. >>36208060Timelines are fucked due to Chernabog killing god.EITC is from Pirates of the Caribbean.
>>36208060Oh boy, isn't that a good question!We can give you many reasons, since we can't really decide which one is the right one ourselves.Magic? Temporal Fuckery? Multidimensional Collapse?Honestly, take your pick.
>>36208060Britain wasn't eaten by bears, it was overtaken by skellingtons.
>>36208092>Looks like 3d6 initiative system wins. Sorry Nob, the crowd has spoken.As a compromise, should we settle on 3d6 + Agility?>>36208136Yeah, the Bear is in Scotland. Like all bears.
>>36208060Chernabog beat God up for his lunch money and proceeded to take villains from across the universe and plop them into various parts of the world for maximum suffering.
>>36208152Can we make it so that charisma guys can swap agility for charisma?
>>36208152Fuck, I didn't care. 3d6+agility is fine. The Charming power will be to add +charm instead.
>>36208168For free or as their Role's Ability?Because it's sounding like Charming Guys are actually undepowered here.
>>36207999>Right: lots and lots of substance. The Smart Guy keeps handing out the truth, the Charming Guy easily smash him down with logical fallacies and feelings.Maybe that works on the uneducated, unwashed, unthinking masses. But once you start talking to anyone capable of critical thinking, the only bonuses charisma provides is the inherent convincingness that comes from the material being presented with confidence.....which can be substantial, don't get me wrong, but don't think think that flash is the be all end all of persuasion and deceit.
>>36208178>>36208199We were going to exchange the Charismatic Guys +1 action power for "Use Charm instead of Agility for initiative"As for them being underpowered -- we're working on Music, and nobody does music like Charismatic guys.
>>36208208>Maybe that works on the uneducated, unwashed, unthinking masses.Since that political party you hate is getting so many votes, I think that's a lot of people :3Also, how do you do Deceit by being right?Persuasion, yeah, makes sense, but shouldn't Deceit be really, REALLY, about the flash?
>>36208208Being intelligent should make it harder to lie: you know *so much* you are selling bullshit that it undermines your coinfidence in your bullshit.
>>36208288>make it harderNo. That adds unnecessary complexity >>36208251I'd say you could do it but it'd be difficult. Make them really justify how they're doing it.
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>>36208288Let's not go crazy here: we don't do rules that complex.>>36208307I'm just saying: Charm should be the most used Attribute for Persuasion and Deceit.You can (and should) use Intelligence when dealing with people who really know what you're talking about, but otherwise it should be Charm all the way.For example: lying about medicine to a doctor should rely on Smart, because before everything else you need to know about medicine, but lying about medicine to anyone else should be Charm, because you going by with your confidence and you smoothness.
>>36208307>>36208370It seems fair.>>36208370If you want to keep it simple it can work like this, but you relying a lot on DM fiat. Be careful or your going to play mother-may-I.
>>36208251>Since that political party you hate is getting so many votes, I think that's a lot of people :3Cute. But my party is in power, so yes, plenty of the people who vote for my party are uneducated, unwashed and unthinking too.>Also, how do you do Deceit by being right?>Persuasion, yeah, makes sense, but shouldn't Deceit be really, REALLY, about the flash?What is Deceit but persuasion of what is not true?Using Deceit with Charisma is cheating someone by making up a long story about how a worthless piece of garbage is in fact a very valuable ancient relic and you should give them lots of money for it. Using Deceit with Intelligence or Sensibility would be like filling chests with lead slabs, the top slabs being thinly plated in gold, and the using them to make large purchases.
>>36208447>relies heavily on DM fiatYes. That's the entire point. This game relies heavily on GM fiat.>Seems fairIt's also much more complicated in a rules-light system. This isn't pathfinder.
>>36208472>Using Deceit with Intelligence or Sensibility would be like filling chests with lead slabs, the top slabs being thinly plated in gold, and the using them to make large purchases.Yes, perfect example!You can do that with careful planning and by taking the time to fill the chest beforehand, but you can do it on the spot, just by talking.With Charm, instead, you just need to keep a straight face and lie out of your ass: you don't need preparation for that.So, unless you have the time to research and prepare your trick, most of the time Charm should be what you use for Deceit.
>>36208491You know, with all the rules-lightness we have, I think we can afford o have something a little more complex without instantly turning into Pathfinder.
>>36208491Pathfinder doesn't let you swap your stats around based on who your talking with. This seems better, really, even if I still like Pathfinder.
>>36208491Which is exactly why we said "be careful with relying on GM fiat." Force the GM to control everything, and it's impossible for him not to railroad his players.
>>36208626>and it's impossible for him not to railroad his playersIs it, though?Where did you get that information?Because I'm pretty sure you took it out of you ass.>Oh no, the GM should decide if you can use Intelligence to lie to this guy! What is this Mother May I bullshit? RAILROADING!
>>36208577NO. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS GAME. WE'RE NOT ADDING RANDOM PENALTIES BECAUSE YOU WANT TO JUST ADD COMPLEXITY.>>36208594Then under the rules for skills, tell GM's to be careful with what people can be Deceived using Intelligence and who can be Deceived using Charm.>>36208626The game in general is rules-light and relies on deciding which rolls make sense. Specifically we said that we would be allowing any stat for any skill depending on how you were using it.
>>36208663As opposed to where you're getting your information on that not being what happens? Because there've been plenty of occasions where GMs get given control of basically everything in a game and go mad with power.
>>36208666But it wasn't a random penalty. It makes it so the smart guy can't do absolutely everything.Hmm, a smart guy able to do anything he wants. Remind you of anything, Nob?
Maybe it's just because Nob is a good GM, but playing it rules-light worked out quite well with a diverse party over a range of experiences. There was a bit of OOC questioning, but nothing that distracted us from the action.
>>36208710Then he's the best damn GM I've ever heard of.
>>36208666>Then under the rules for skills, tell GM's to be careful with what people can be Deceived using Intelligence and who can be Deceived using Charm.Tomorrow I'll get around to shape up the Skill List a bit, adding an introduction about how the GM should decide what Attributes should be used and about how that decision can deeply alter the balance of the game, so, you tell, give your players some examples on how you are going to handle stuff.>>36208683Really? You give a GM the freedom to be the GM and suddenly he goes crazy with power?
>>36208725The transcript is available for anyone to read.Song coming out in a couple of minutes.Sorry for writing so much about Sverd, but no one's asked me to write anything in specific, so I'm just retracting to the stuff I know best.
>>36208744Okay, I think I phrased that badly. You FORCE a GM to do absolutely everything and he goes crazy with power. Most GMs don't realise they can. In my experience, when they do, it doesn't end well.
>>36208744If you don't mind, I'll make a suggestion real quick; You could also include a suggested attribute for each skill (one or two). For example, Deceit is usually Charm, but out of combat it could be used for long-cons that require logical persuasion to work with Intelligence.>>36208794Then they aren't very good GMs. Half of GMing is improvising on rules.
>>36208813Guess I've just gotten unlucky with my GMs then. If they're the exceptions and not the rule, then ignore me and feel free to call me retarded.
>>36208558Not quite what I was going for. Using Deceit with Intelligence or Sensibility is finding or manufacturing one bit of truth that can be used to cover up/disguise all your bullshit.
>>36208813Probably for the best.
Sing to the tune of “Masculinity” – La Cage aux Folles, 1978I want to pick up this piece of toast like a manI see it asMasculine toast and masculine butterReady for spreading by a masculine handUsing this knife as it were a macheteI’ll have all my strength and all my steady nervesFor hacking my way through the cherry preservesThink of my Father and our Lord aboveOf the highest Legends and of Arthur’s great menSo like a real man I grab my cupAnd if God forbid that I screw that upThen I can climb back up the mountain once againListen to thatAbout that voice of mineI’ll roar like a lion and growl like a tigerWith a roaring and snorting masculine laughAll the best men were basses, not tenorsIf I could talk rough and gruff and lowTalk more like Sir Lodrbrok and less like his squireThink of Ivarrstead and CharlemangeThink like a soldier marching into the denBut I don’t want to be some burly bruteJust get rid of the nylons under my bootsSo I can climb back up the mountain once againBut this time as a man
>>36208927SVERD is supposed to be at the top of that. I don't know how the hell it got cut off.Also, if you have something or someone you want me to write a song about, ESPECIALLY your character, please tell me.
>>36208725Or he's a competent GM and we managed to make a smooth rules-light game.
>>36209080As has been said, >>36208841
Someone needs to start a new thread about now. I can if no one else would like to revise the OP, but I wanted to give warning.
>>36209093Add the playtest transcript to it -- it's at the top of the thread.
New map here >>36204336 remember.
>>36208163I'll be honest, making the world map 100% like IRL kind of bothers me for some reason. I can't really explain why, but I feel it would be better if we had a map that looked vaguely like the real world, perhaps with some largely softer/simplified features.Am I making sense in any way to anyone?
A thought I just had about living in the Mirror Kingdom: on top of the self-mutilation, you get almost none of the benefits of living in a panopticon society and none of the benefits. Grimhilde could, of course, solve every crime and ferret out all corruption with the mirror, but she's not going to because she doesn't give a shit about what the proles do. Presumably there's some sort of petitioning process for access to the mirror for a single question or something of the sort, but the process is doubtless riddled with corruption and nearly inaccessible to all but the nobility. So the mirror wouldn't be just a tool of oppression for Grimhilde, it would also be a tool of oppression for the nobility more generally.
>>36209118Not really, because Disney's films take place in the real world for the vast majority of them.
>>36208794GMs who are antagonistic towards their players are shit GMs. When you're a GM, you can kill all the player characters at any time for any reason. The GM ought to be a fair judge in most games. In a game like this, they should think themselves Walt Disney and use the kind of logic he would employ in a story.
>>36209118... dunno why I responded to this post.Should have linked >>36204336 instead.
>>36209140This guy is right.Especially because it's Disney - the protagonists barely ever die. Even when a character reaches 0 strikes, unless it's extreme circumstance they should just be knocked out for quite some time.
>>36209093>>36209159Here we go
>>36209138I suppose what I'm trying to talk about is the artistic presentation of the map, rather than the composition of the map itself.Again, sorry if I suck at trying to explain this.
>>36209168A defeat should still be a defeat. The penalties for that should vary depending on context.When Eugene was defeated in Rapunzel, he got captured and taken to the gallows. If that happens to a player, they should haul ass over there to rescue him or its curtains for that guy.
>>36209168Taking a hit after the last Strike they can soak is gone is how heroes get their cool looking scars.
>>36207549Hannah ColinwellCharming GirlROBUSTNESS!: 7Agility: 8Intelligence: 8Sensibility: 8Charm: 9SKILLSAcademics 3Craft 3Endure 3Insight 3Intimidation 3Music 4 (5)Persuasion 4Travel 3TRAITSCharming Girl- +1 Move each turn that she can use to roll on Deceit, Music or Persuasion.- She rolls 4d6 and drops the lowest die every time he rolls on Charm.No Time For Panic!: +2 to resist FearHakuna Matata: +2 to resist on any sort of Mental DistressPower of Rock: Music affects characters with the ‘Tin Ear’ trait, but all rolls are halved. STRIKES3WILL POINT3POWERSLullaby: Hannah can spend a Will Point to make a music check against a target’s Endure. If successful, the target will fall asleep, or become groggy, giving him a -2 in combat.Rally Cry: Hannah can spend a Will Point make a music test. Every 10 points is a +1 bonus to the rest of the part,y on top of the usual music bonus. Hannah does NOT get this bonus.WEAKNESSMark of the Mirror Kingdom: Hannah has a large port wine birthmark that covers most of the left half of her face and some of her right. Persuasion rolls are at -4.EQUIPMENT:Traveling leathers: +1 to Prevent HarmWitchwood Lyre: +1 to Music IDEALSHave others hear her musicMake Terrible PunsEat delicious new foodGOALS:Zero: Play a ConcertOn-A-Roll: Free the other children of Zwietracht Academy.Hero: Make it so others can be beautiful in the Mirror Kingdom