Welcome to the XXIV installment of "Disney Villains Victorious."Disney Villains Victorious is a new /tg/ homebrew project based on the idea of a world, not entirely unlike our own, in which all the villains from all the Disney animated feature films were not defeated at the ends of their movies but were instead victorious, completing their goals in part or in whole.It is a world in which Ursula rules the seas, defied only by the uncatchable Pirate Lords, the cutthroat merchants of the East India Trading Company and the might of Atlantis and its magitech-toting mercenaries. It is a world where the grasslands and jungles and forests are prowled not only by fearsome primal beasts like Shere Kahn and Scar but also by the ruthless, tireless hunters that stalk them. It is a world where Europe has been divvied up between evil sorcerous monarchs like Maleficent, the Horned King, Grimhilde and Jafar, mad, inquisitorial clergymen like Frollo, and Dark Gods like Hades and Chernobog.It is not, however, a world completely devoid of courage, heroism or hope. Around the world, the PCs' characters and their allies plot and plan, fight and strive and win their own victories against the villains that would rule them. The time to fight and to be free is now.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+Victorioushttp://1d4chan.org/wiki/Disney_villains_victoriousAssembled pastebins:King/Land/Rule: http://pastebin.com/Z8wFJrhhClass roles: http://pastebin.com/fj58NSYMXP: http://pastebin.com/61Je2agNBeast Species: http://pastebin.com/ZNVPBJWjSetting Traits: http://pastebin.com/8RRbwMQTTRAITS: http://pastebin.com/uHCXg4EVPOWERS:http://pastebin.com/pQDDqisUGeneric Traits: http://pastebin.com/MZwvGsyXLore & Fluff: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qj_IIuF_rqh_F2L-SeYn-dBiwDTtwWFpnbcXyfcgeE8DA RULEZ: http://pastebin.com/8zqBfdN2
And we still get the 1d4chan page wrong. Dang it! http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Disney_Villains_Victorious
>>36174088Believe it or not, the capital Vs do actually make a big difference. I'll see if i can get it to automatically redirect.
Repostan' character from last thread, with a few changesErick RalelHuman, MediumSmart GuyROBUSTNESS: 8/12Nimbleness: 9/12Intelligence: 11/12Sensibility: 6/12Charisma: 6/12Will: 4 Pt.Skills:Occult 1Ranged Combat: 2Melee Combat: 1Craft: 3Stealth: 3Prevent Harm 1Traits:-The Laws Of Distant Realms: As any good folklorist can tell you, the fey have /rules/. Nonsense rules, but rules nonetheless. Bonus to Occult Knowledge and diplomacy with the more lawful types of spirits.-Heart of Prometheus+3 to all rolls involving Occult and Crafting simultaneously.-But I Did Not Shoot the Deputy+3 to any checks to judge someone's moral character.Powers:-Hunter's MarkSpend two Will Point and iddentify a target. Gain +5 for the next two combat rolls agains the target. Target cannot hide from or deceive the character for the next two turns.-No More Chinese LaundrySpend a Will point to assemble an explosive from everyday materials. Must have something on hand that could concievably explode -- can't just magic bombs out of thin air. Coconuts okay. At the end of the round you have at least one pound of highly unstable explosive material that will miraculously not go off in your hands. We'll leave it to you as to what to do with it.Equipment:Composite Bow (+2 to Ranged)Hunting Knife (+1 to Melee)Traveling Cloak (+1 to Endure for elements)--Ideals:Preserve history and historical places and objectsA real man shouldn't allow himself to be beaten by magic tricksStealing from those of good heart is not how a real man behaves.--Goals:Personally obtain one treasure and/or weapon from every part of the world Personally halt a Wild HuntMaster combat against mystical foescont.
>>36174266Summary: Rough but idealistic hunter, was taught as a child how important it is to know about what is going on around you, and how to be self-dependable. Very pragmatic, tends to be annoyed at those that let their dreams mess up their actions, but has a soft spot for the more expressive and honest. Reminds him of his mother and sister back home, you see. His father got done in by a Wild Hunt in a unlucky expedition, and so he made a vow to always be prepared for those that would come at him with magic. >>36174088>>36174122Sorry, my bad. I just copy pasted the OP
>>36174266The rules you're using for your skills are outdated. Now the first point, and only the first point, you put into a skill gives you three ranks. Looks good otherwise.
Glad to see that the new thread has been put up! Thank you for posting! Hopefully with the weekend here now I'll be able to get some more writing done and be of better use to the project instead of just posting bits and pieces from my phone at work.>>36174313This is the exact problem that I'd had too.
Reporting for context's sake.>>36173701>Also, would he have still been some kind of day monster without his head, or just died for real?Tl;dr, when the light hits the Nightwalker's form it's corporeal form "dies" as such, but it's general power remains, which is why everything re-grows after it's body evaporates. If it died without the head, the opposite would have likely happened. Everything would have died, nothing would have escaped. More of a natural disaster than anything.>That night was running on movie time.I get that, but I have to ask, will the outcome truly be interesting? This would kill basically the entire cast of Mononoke and result in little left of Mononoke to actually work with, besides the Emperor's faction and Ashitaka's tribe, neither of which are particularly fleshed out or explored in the actual movie.
>>3617436285% of the heroes in this universe are dead and another 5% are UN-dead.
>>36174385And if what he was talking about was what he was writing about is true, then 100% of the heroes are dead, 100% of the villains are dead, 100% of the mooks are dead, and the only people left alive are people who aren't relevant to the story at all,
Okay, so. Do Beasts take ALL of their racial Traits and thus only get one generic Trait, or do they pick two from their racial Traits?
>>36174385One of them may or may not be a Beast roaming the French countryside.And another is a Llama.
>>36174056Okay, about to start a game set in China. I'll report back in a hour or so
>>36174313Hm....I'll go re-read the 1d4chan page. I thought the ranks and the bonuses were different things. A rank 1 skill gives +3, rank 2 +4, rank 3 +5, and rank 4 +6, right?I'm going to go look at the 1d4chan page again but what exactly did I do wrong there? How should it look?
>>36174138I MADE A PROMISE AND I INTEND TO KEEP IT.If you can't tell, I like the Last Five Years quite a bit.Sung to the tune of “Goodbye until Tomorrow” – The Last Five Years, 2002 version. Modified.POPDon’t tell me goodbye againI’ll let you go clean and quietYou want the last wordYou want me to laughBut leave it for nowAll you can sayAll you can feelIs wrapped up inside this submarineLeave it at thatI’ll watch you get onboard and go…And goodbye until tomorrowGoodbye until the next time you come backAnd I’ll be waitingGoodbye until tomorrowGoodbye until you’ve taken the whole worldAnd I’ll be waitingI’ll be waiting here for you.MARYI stand on a precipiceI struggle to keep my balanceBut I’m opening myselfAnd I’m opening one stitch at a time!Finally yes!Finally now!Finally I’m being taken awayFinally free!Finally I can cut my stringsAnd open my wings!So goodbye until tomorrow!Goodbye until the next time I come back!And I’ll be goingI will be going!Goodbye until tomorrow-Goodbye until the rest of my lifeBecause I’m done waitingAnd even though I do love you, I’m finishedWaiting for youWaiting for youThrew this together relatively quickly using one of my favorite showtunes. I don't like the ending much because it makes her seem harsher than I intended, but it works, I suppose. Might revise it a bit. Is it okay?Guess I'm working on stuff for other people if they want it.
>>36174313>>36174266One other thing I noticed: all the character's goals seem pretty high-tier, either by virtue of difficulty and/or by how much time they take. By the time you get to On A Roll, the rest of the party will be well into Heroic.
>>36174438You take as many or as few racial traits as you want. Of course, if you're not taking any racial traits, why bother playing a beast race at all?
>>36174546I just wanted to know so I didn't break anything.
>>36174518True....Shit. I guess I wasn't paying enough attention as to how the character creation process developed, after all. Messing up skills and goals by now is pretty bad.What if insteadZero: Find out about and obtain/craft five weapons to fight mystical beingsOn-a-roll: Obtain five treasures from different regions of the worldHero: Personally halt a Wild Hunt
>>36174488I just went out and found myself the lyric-less karaoke version of the song to play along while I sounded everything out, and it looks real good! It's got that balance of hopefulness and worry that's perfect for a smart-alec kid setting out on her own for the first time. If you do decide to revise it a bit I'll be looking forward to seeing what you come up with, but you might just inspire me to try my hand at song writing here too.
>>36174606Much more reasonable, especially considering that multiple different nations produce weapons specifically for fighting mythical beings. From Hunnic cold Iron to Frollo's Holy Fire, you shouldn't too far away from somebody who has what you want no matter where you are in the world.
Okay, I might write another story in a bit here.Any topic suggestions?
>>36174691Something involving Chernobog.
Finally have something presentable for Japan. Mostly.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gO6mDY7V3kCCAJfCwL7ZM3U7oHrylNcI_sjrE9Uq7BI/edit?usp=sharingLink goes to the fluff I wrote on Japan. Doesn't really focus on Mononoke as much as I would have liked, but them's the breaks. Just some groundwork laid for others to add to.
>>36174691A regular night in a gambling facility located in [your choice here].
>>36174438Beasts are supposed to take all their racial traits (getting only one generic trait) but I suppose there's nothing stopping you from trading them out for regular traits.
>>36174691You could try something for Yzma, or maybe for a new recruit in the Spiritual War meeting Mulan for the first time, there's Belle as a Beast and Alameda Slim's old west or the Hunters could use some love as well.
>>36174673Sweet, thanks.I wish I could come up with all that crazy stuff the other anons seem to be able to pull off like book tigers and greek pugilists, all my characters end up being kinda stereotypey. Not bad but not particularly interesting
>>36174724I think the point of sticking the forest spirits in Japan was to deter weeaboo influence in this project.
>>36174729Okay, that helps. Thanks!
>>36174691Hades messing with Frollo's Inquisitors by speaking to them through the fires they caused
Will write Disney-style showtune about characters if given setting.I can't think of any further specific situations to plan songs for in advance for Sverd.
>>36174794Okay, scratch my Bagheera request. Do this.You have to do this.
>>36174812Go for Frozen since that's pretty much what you're character is based around.
>>36174833Well, yeah, but I've already written something about meeting and pacification, and writing songs about any potential personal arc is pretty unpredictable.I probably will if someone doesn't give me something else to write on in about five minutes. I'm just really up for songwriting today.Also my catchpa is cold anizesa
>>36174727>>36174734Two votes for a night in Slim's Casino>>36174794>>36174812Two votes for Hades fucking with InquisitorsTiebreaker anyone?
>>36174875Actually, my vote's for the casino.
>>36174875Hades fucking with Inquisitors. Neither side has gotten a lot of love compared to Slim
>>36174883Quoted the wrong one. Whoops.>>36174884>>36174891Either way, Hades wins. I'll see what I can come up with after my exercise.
>>36174873Try to come up with something for>>36161809I'm personally biased towards link, but hey, what do I know?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2yf_vlnJl4
>>36174724Not a bad start for Japan, For the EITC, aside from expanding the number of safe ports they have to land at (Always a concern for age of sail ships) and the fact that Japan may give them an in on Hunnic markets, I'd say look into what resources the islands had historically. EITC loves them some pillaging the natural world.Pirates I can't think of anything either. They'd probably just do what is that the pirates do and set up lawless town that they can make port and sell their ill gotten booty at. You could write something involving them being close to Ursula, maybe? They tend to be on her shit list as they laugh at her laws just like everyone else's.
>>36174958I could pretty easily write something here, but I don't know enough about the character to supply a good, reasonable setting. Can you give me a general idea of what you'd want the song to be about/set?
Going to have to call it a night friends. Have a good night and keep up the good work.
>>36175034Long story short, he's based either in the west or in Virginia. In both cases Red Men and White Men fight both amongst themselves and each other. Being half and half, Bruce views cares little for race and views all men as his brothers. His goal is to make all this pointless fighting stop, and to encourage everyone to see their fellow man as he does, not caring for their color. He knows he'll have to be sneaky, hide out in the wilderness and even though he wants to do this as diplomatically as possible, probably put some holes in some skulls, but then, what's a little more blood if it stems the entire tide?
>>36175149>1 AM local timeYeah, me too, see you all in the morning.
>>36175173There should be something that I can take with this. That's quite specific without involving a direct scenario, so it might be pretty tough to find something that really fits the character. There definitely should be something out there, though.
>>36175248Noice, I found a piece. I'm gonna finish writing this one and then go to sleep, but feel free to ask for stuff, I'll be up in about seven hours but my morning run and then dealing with real-life stuff means I won't be on here until 12:00 EST.
Hey, I was just trying my hand at some writefaggotry, and I thought I'd try my hand at our very first team of adventurers:>>36149236What do you guys think? Should I do more?http://pastebin.com/ZYcCbw1P
>>36175325It's vague enough to be interpreted in the way I intended, and I think it fits the character well enough. I quite like this one.Sung to the tune of “The Night that Goldman Spoke at Union Square” – Ragtime, 1998 versionFINELY-DRESSED COWBOYI have just arrived from Kansas City up north where,Eight weeks ago, the Indians attacked their town. They areStarving, their children are dying but they are holding firmAnd we must strike back.BRUCEIt was the summer in the WestAs the sun scorched desert earthAnd the workmen’s hall had not a seat to spareWhen a young man stepped insideJust to judge the people’s worthThe night the Baron spoke at the Sixth street square.FINELY-DRESSED COWBOYWhat is happening in Kansas is happening everywhere.Let us make this the land a land that is ours, not a land where we fear for our lives against the savages. The land of opportunityFor you, sir, and your little girl. We cannot rest!BRUCEHe was speaking loud and fastThrough a haze of noise and heatAnd the smell of sweat and anger in the airThe police were standing withHelping the crowd up to it’s feet The night the Baron spoke at the Sixth street square.FINELY- DRESSED COWBOYYou!BRUCEHe thought he heard him say,FINELY-DRESSED COWBOYWhat brings you here today?COWBOYPoor young burnt boy!FINELY-DRSSED YOUNG COWBOYPeople scalped and killed, my friendFamilies slaughtered and what for?Burned villages, women raped!Leave your small backyard my friendThere are indeed causes to die for!COWBOYSFight!BRUCEIn the gutters of the cityI have tried to find some menaingCOWBOYSFight!BRUCEIn the arms of broken menAnd the thought of black revengeCOWBOYSFight!BRUCELike a firework unexplodedWanting life but neverKnowing howI don’t knowWhat meaning even meansCOWBOYSFight!We’ll show you how!FINALE NEXT POST
>>36175727BRUCETil now!I see that you are indeedNo brother of my own!He was calling out a nameShouting what, he did not knowAnd he found that he was standing on a chairWith a heart as clean and newAs the barren landscape’s glowThe night that the Baron spoke…FINELY-DRESSED COWBOYI’ve been waiting for you.BRUCEAt the sixth street square.
>>36175597Looks good. We really do need more Sensible Guys though.
>>36175597I like it quite a bit, indeed. Please do write more.On that note, I'm off to sleep for six hours and work for five more after that. I expect some cool things when I get back here.
>>36175597I like it! A good mixture of serious and silly... Sillious. It matches the tone well; especially considering how damn goofy that party is.
>>36175727Holy shit, I love it. Not only because it fits and captures the mood, but also because it reminded me of Ragtime. I loved that show.
Okay, time to formulate some ideas for the Hades piece. Might be an hour or so before I finish.
>>36175597I came back to re-read this again because I wasn't all that tired, and god DAMN that is solid writing. You are great at capturing the essence of the group dynamics and the individual members. I'm really looking forward to more writefaggotry.On that note, I'm actually off to sleep. Probably. Maybe.
>>36175761The party was one guy away from being perfectly balanced. I retrofitted Lazarus to be a sensible guy, but he likes punching things too much
>There are people in this thread that aren't making Hades sing this song to the PC's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByqZAowTonQ
>>36175763>>36175778I'll write some more up tomorrow morning!
>>36176006I second this motion
God dammit I'm really not tired.Here, I'll post something from muh personal archives.Sing to the tune of “Is anybody there” – 1776, 1969 versionSVERDIs anybody there?Does anybody care?Does anybody see what I see?They want me to quit; They saySverd, give up the fightStill to everyone I sayI still, I see it, goodness!For I have seen the light of menHad the arms of brothers lift meCome what may, come what mayI swear!The jaded say we’ll rue the dayThere’ll be nothing but failure in our moving stepsThrough all the gloom, through all the gloomI see the burning light in every heart!Is anybody there?! Does anybody care?!Does ANYBODY see what I see?!I see hope! I see the victory ofHonesty and goodnessI hear the bells ringing righteouslyI hear the cannons softenI see humanity – all humans hereStanding defiantly forevermore!How quiet, how quiet the evils of the worldHow silent, how silent the virtue I know is thereIs anybody there? Does anybody care?Does anybody see what I see?
>>36175727>>36175744>>36176194How the fuck does this guy constantly change up songs in a way that actually works? He hasnt made one bad-soundign onr so far.
>>36176655The Disney strong in him is.
Here's the character I plan to use for my first foray into this game (whenever it happens). I don't want to make him a prince necessarily, however I want to make him Disney as fuck even so. Perhaps you guys can help me flesh him out when I'm finished.Argo Starheart (Virginia Colony)Human, MediumNimble Guy (Redcoat)ATTRIBUTESROBUSTNESS:9/12Agility:10/12Intelligence:7/12Sensibility:7/12Charisma:7/12SKILLS(Automatic rank in acrobatics selected)Acrobatics: 4Athletics: 3Melee: 4Ranged:Brawl: 4Prevent Harm: 4Endure:Stealth:Legerdemain:Deceit:Persuasion:Intimidate:Academics:Science:Occult: 3Mechanics:Linguistics:Language:Travel: 3Driving:Insight:Music:Craft:TRAITS-Let Me Show You How It's Really Done:+2 to combat rolls is the foes are using the same type of weapon or combat style-Honorable Challenger+3 to Melee and Prevent Harm while engaged in one-on-one combat.-Like A Coursing RiverGive your allies +2 on their next Acrobatics check after you succeed on an Acrobatics check.POWERS-ProtectorIf an ally has suffered a combat Strike in a battle, you can choose to defend and fight alongside that character. Both characters gain +4 to combat while fighting together-Charge of the Light BrigadeCharacter gets a +4 bonus to combat stats when doing something incredibly foolhardy and unlikely to succeed in combat. Note: trait only activates if it's still foolhardy and unlikely to succeed after figuring in the bonus.EQUIPMENTWell-Maintained Longsword (+1 Melee)Deflecting Gauntlet (+1 Prevent Harm)Light Leather Armor (+1 Prevent Harm)IDEALSProtect friends.Train hard every day without neglect.Do what is right no matter what.GOALSZero: Challenge worthy opponents to single combat.On A Roll: Discover what it truly means to be the best.Hero: Become the greatest swordsman in the world.(cont)
Reposting a tweaked version of my not-paladin from two threads ago, because I'm a shameless attention whore.Name: Tlacel YolotliRole: Big GuyCountry of Origin: EldoradoSize: MediumSpecies: Human--Attributes--Robustness: 10/12Agility: 8/12Intelligence: 7/12Sensibility: 7/12Charisma: 8/12Will: 3--Skills--Athletics: 4Brawl: 3Melee: 5Endure: 3Insight: 3Occult: 3Ranged: 3Withstand: 4--Traits--Not On My Watch!: +2 on Ranged and Melee when fighting those that would hurt the innocent.Chivalry: +2 to all social rolls so long as you follow the warrior code of your culture.Zealous Champion: Pick a cause. You cannot be dissuaded from your cause by Illusions or social skills unless the other party spends a Will point.--Powers--Pick On Someone Your Own Size (or Bigger, Like Me): When an ally is physically attacked by an opponent you can spend a Will point to either A) take a move toward him and attempt to Withstand the attack in his place or B) take a move toward the attacker and (if in range) make a Melee roll against him.By The Power of The Sun!: As long as you are in natural sunlight, you may spend a Will point to add +3 to all Melee and Ranged rolls for a round, +4 if you're fighting an opponent vulnerable to fire.--Ideals--It is the duty of the strong to protect the weak.The gods are always watching you, act accordingly.Sometimes justice requires sacrifices.--Goals--Get the hell out of Eldorado and find help for your cause.Refound the Order of the Eagle Warriors.Bring Tzekel-Kan to justice for his crimes against men and gods.--Equipment--Macuahuitl (one-handed weapon)Atlatl and spears (ranged weapon)Buckler (+1 to Withstand)Copper scale cuirass with decorative feathers (light armor)Fancy eagle-head helmet
>>36174475Well, good newsGood news is, the system works so far. we made a lot of progress in a little amount of time, and most of the characters have played a part. No signing, but most of my players picked more martial routes. Also, the setting played out perfectly. The party was a group of EITC emissaries sent to secure a Hun Port City trade contract. To get the trade contract, the Hun warlord sent them off to go stop a peasant revolt. Shortly afterward, they get a taste of the Rebellion after a Shop keep balls up a honoring to his ancestors, and gets himself possessed. He eventually gets put down by the Alantean merc.Everything went better then expected. The only complaint I might find is that I found players could easily make 10-20 roles very easily, but that might just be because It was test they would be good at. But yeah, things are looking good
>>36177194He's a very competitive person (especially with the other males in the party), and generally has a humorless worldview (which will eventually be changed through character development). Before his parents were hung for heresy, they taught him a bit about how magic worked and how to deal with it should he ever encounter it since his parents were refugees from Prydain. He spent the rest of his young life in Radcliffe's army trying to distinguish himself despite being embittered about his parents' deaths. This urge to reach higher status became an urge to master the sword. As he reached his 17th year he started questioning whether this was his true calling and resolved that he should travel the world to improve himself. He is sure that this monotony would stunt his development otherwise.Eventually he will determine that the only way to do right by his parents would be to defeat the Horned King and his Cauldronborn.
>>36177194You don't have to choose between Acrobatics and Prevent Harm: you get them both
>>36174794>>36174891>>36174935Finished at last, this one was a fun one.http://pastebin.com/yKjMjrbf
>>36177246Players are supposed to make 10-20 rolls very easily -- the average roll, without skills, is 17.5.
So let's talk about buffing using skills other than Singing, be it potion-making, gadget-building or other such things.As long as it is agreed that they are not to be stronger or more effective than Singing, would you allow it? I would.
>>36178058It seems fair, honestly I'd use singing as a boost to those other skills.Sing a merry little tune about concocting the perfect potion or building a nifty device, makes it all the more effective.
Did a K/L/R. First time writing fluff, tell me what needs to be fixed: King: Chernabog, the Wings of Terror, the King of Bald Mountain, but best known as HIM. Chernabog is an ancient, evil thing, a primordial horror from before the earth was forged. Chernabog's power is essentially unlimited, but HE only expresses it via physical might or foul magic that HE must personally use. Demons from places unknown flock to our world, trying to warm themselves around the fire of our reality like an ocean around a candle, and HE picks and chooses the best of them to let into Earth. HE spends the majority of his time on Bald Mountain unless something requires HIS presence, but when HE moves, all tremble in fear at HIS mighty shadow.Land: The land ruled by Chernabog is a broken, scarred land generally referred to as Bald Mountain – though the Mountain itself is only in a small section of it. Nothing grows there. No plants, no fungi, and even animals find themselves stunted in growth. Yet no person starves to death in Bald Mountain. Instead, they grow thinner and hungrier and thinner and hungrier until there is almost nothing left but a suffering shadow of a person who exists only to hunger and be tormented by the Demons. There is no food. There is no water. Life itself is impossible under HIS shadow, but people are kept alive in their tortured half-life so that they may suffer for HIS pleasure. Visitors to Bald Mountain are generally left alone, for the land itself saps at their life. If they are armed or attempt to help the inhabitants, however, the Demons soon set upon them, rending their flesh and tearing them literally limb from limb as their numbers blot out the sun. (cont.)
>>36178163Rule: Chernabog will ignore adventurers and heroes unless they attempt to help the 'citizens' of Bald Mountain, or unless they speak his name. Saying “Chernabog” attracts HIS attention. Saying it once merely informs HIM of who said it. Saying it twice lets HIM know where they are. On the third time, HE may come looking for them himself – and that is something that no one has ever survived. Even saying HIS name once will likely get a swarm of Demons sent after the fool, and the people of Bald Mountain will frequently advise against it.
>>36178163>>36178170I like it: very suitably horrific, which is exactly what we're shooting for with Cherrybomb, but I feel like this needs some expansion. What are these demons like? Where do they come from? What's stopping people from just leaving this hellish place and go end their suffering by going outside his influence?Honestly, by looking at various KLR, you can see that some of them are a fraction of others in lenght. I feel like we need to put them on the same level: either we reduce the longer ones or we expand the shorter ones.
>>36178214Okay, I made the stats for the Headless Horseman. This guy is supposed to be the final boss of the Sleepy Hollow adventure, and they'll be facing him at least three times.Is this good or is he too tough for 1st level characters?The Headless HorsemanROBUSTNESS!: 11Agility: 10Intelligence: 8Sensibility: 5Charm: 5SKILLSAcrobatics 3Athletics 4Brawl 3Endure 5Intimidation 4Melee 6Ranged 5 Travel 5Withstand 5STRIKES2* +1 Finisher. * Every time the Horseman revives, he gains 1 strike, with a cap of 5.POWERSUnconquerable: Every time the Horseman is defeated, he crumbles to dust, and then will rise again in 24 hours.It Only Makes Him Mad: Every time the Horseman revives, he gains 1 strike.Nightmare Tamer: The Horseman can summon an infernal steed at will. (Steed adds +10 to his speed) The Nightmare vanishes if the Horseman dismounts, or he loses all his strikes.Pumpkin Head: The Horseman can summon and throw a flaming Pumpkin at his foes. Pumpkins are treated as a normal Agility+Ranged attack, being on fire gives them a +3. After summoning a pumpkin, the Horseman must wait two rounds before summoning a new one.Can’t Reason With A Headless Man: The Horseman is immune to any form of attack that involves reliance upon seeing, hearing, smelling, or tasting.WEAKNESSSwept Away: If the Horseman is defeated in, or over running water, it remains defeated.EQUIPMENT:Mirrorguard Leather Armor: +2 to WithstandMirrorguard saber: +2 bonus to Melee
>>36178425So how does the Sleepy Hollow Horseman work, anyway? What happened in the DVV version?
>>36178214Nobody can bring themselves to leave. Too tiring
>>36175597>http://pastebin.com/ZYcCbw1PThis is what I wake up to find.This.This is amazing and you should feel amazing for writing it.
>>36178425Withstand = Prevent Harm, I assume? Looks fine to me. Keep in mind that Sensible and intelligent, as well as most Charisma characters will be standing around for the fight. Make sure they have something to do.
>>36178441Do you mean his backstory?He was a member of Queen Grimhilde's Mirrorguard, who went mercenary. He traveled to Virginia to earn a fortune. He was very good at it, then, while in Sleepy Hollow, he fell to sorcery. (Unknown who)He was able to rise up on Oogie's Night, and ran down Ichabod Crane. Then returned to his slumber.In the adventure, a bored Fae revives him so she can have some entertainment. Problem is, she's lost control of him. So now he's riding loose, he chops people's head's off in the thought that if he can reclaim a head, he'll be able to rest.So, the PC's have to stop him, and deal with a few other problems that his revival has caused.
>>36178497Well, hopefully the PCs will have allies with them going into the fight. I'm thinking that the Sensible and Charisma characters could help them, or be support?Should I change the 'Cant Reason With A Headless Man' a bit and make the Horseman vulnerable to being distracted by song?
>>36175761That's part of Mahrikatohka's character development, and one of her goals is "learn responsibility." Her regret at upsetting Sverd was something I was really glad to see at the end of the story.
>>36178517Support is a good choice for the music-oriented Charisma characters. Perhaps suggest to your players that their Sensible character pick up at least one weapon skill?Can't reason with a headless man: it's fine. Running into an enemy that can't be persuaded is common. It's a game balance issue I'll work out when it isnt 6 AM.
>>36178517Make it clear to them that their talents might not work on him and give them PLENTY, and I do mean PLENTY to do before, and you might be okay.
>>36178532I got it. Can’t Reason With A Headless Man: The Horseman is immune to any form of attack that involves persuasion.And two more weaknesses:Hollow Echoes: If a successful Music check is made, the Horseman gets -3 to his next round.Out-Of-Date Textbook Style: If a successful Insight+Sensibility check is made by a character who can speak, all PCs gain +3 bonus to attacking the Horseman, for one round.Of course, the PCs will have to work to discover that he HAS those weaknesses.
>>36178543I understand why you gave him those from a meta point of view, but what's the justification in-game?
>>36177399>http://pastebin.com/yKjMjrbfThis was really fun to read. You've got a real handle on dialogue, and I felt that both the French Inquisitors and Hades himself were really well voiced in this.
>>36177212>Role: Big Guy
>>36178578>Out-Of-Date Textbook Style:He's using the Mirrorguard combat style, only he's using one that's old and out-of-date. It's got open weaknesses and it telegraphs moves, if you know what you're looking for.>Hollow EchoesAs a member of the Mirrorguard, he was forbidden from frivolous things like music, dancing, singing, etc. He became a mercenary so he could indulge in those things, which he did. If he 'hears' those things again, it will distract him as his desires get the better of him.
>>36174757So, you deter weeaboo influence... by letting weeaboos influence it?
>>36176006Yeah, that's Hades right there.
>>36178532>>36178543Why not have him be tauntable? The social PCs can still yell insults to piss him off and distract him.
>>36178671Eh, he's got military discipline. He's above taunting.
>>36178687So, his immunity to taunts comes from his training, huh?>"OH, LOOK! SOMEBODY PRETTIER THAN GRIMHILDE!"
>>36178645More by pigeonholing it into a little corner and sticking a sign over it reading "here be crazy stag things but they're kinda mixed in with all the pirates and shit okay now asia isn't all just huns and animals."
Just woke up gents and glad to see that the thread is still alive. I'll be working to try and finish up my little bit of "Hunting the Beast" nonsense that I started the other day and contributing where I can.>>36178671>>36178687As silly as it sounds, what if the players weren't so much taunting him as arguing with him or presenting arguments as to which of their heads is the best head for him to take?
>>36178718>"MY HAIR IS MORE FABULOUS THAN HIS!"
>>36178728>"MY CHIN IS NOBLER!">"MY FACE IS HE MOST PROPORTUNATE!"
>>36178699He doesn't care about that stuff. He left and became a merc. He wants a head, and he wants to live again and go 'dancing' with Katarina Von Trapp or Nakoma, or both. He's above petty insults. His desire for music and dance though...well...that's a much stronger urge.>>36178718That would work, if it happens before combat starts. Once he's started slashing, it doesn't really matter what head he wants. He'll take what he can get.However, that's a great method for tricking him into ambushes, or getting him onto the Covered Bridge.
>>36178728>>36178734>"I HAVE A BADASS EYE PATCH! BITCHES LOVE THIS EYE PATCH! YOU WANT BITCHES TO LOVE YOU, RIGHT?"
Anyway, I have to crash. I'll make the rest of the stats for the Sleepy Hollow game tomorrow.Thanks everyone, this was a huge help.
>>36178739It also gives something for the smart guys and the sensible guys to do in setting up said trap or ambush.
>>36178764Rest well, Master Ghost GhostMaster.
>>36174266This picture makes me want this character to be one of a set of twins, brother and sister, with the same goals, motivations and wardrobe, apparently.
Still writing, but it's slow going and not something I'm generally incredibly adept at. In the mean time, I'll post that pair of "Beastly Belle" images from the last thread. They're maybe too cutesy, like Anon had said, but they're something and maybe they'll inspire some more brainstorming and fluffing-out.
>>36179232This one is a bit too cute for my purposes, but is still pretty Disney, all things considered.
>>36179244This actually puts me more in mind of a daughter of Belle and the Beast, conceived in a night of wild passion but born after Gaston had slain her father and taken Belle as his bride. Could you imagine Gaston's rage at seeing the child he thought would be his strapping son be born instead the bastard daughter of the Beast?
>>36179308I may actually like this idea better than Belle as the Beast. I may need to look over my story again and do a bit of thinking.
Name: Azriel Amos AshworthRole: Nimble GuyCountry of Origin: Disputed area of Shadowlands/Wild WestSize: MediumSpecies: Human--Attributes--Robustness: 9Agility: 9Intelligence: 7Sensibility: 9Charisma: 6Will: 3--Skills--Travel +3Ranged +3Endure +3Intimidation +3Acrobatics +1Withstand +1--Traits--A Man Pays His Dues: Your word is your bond; your blood flows through every promise you make. When you swear to someone that you will do something, you gain bonuses to everything in the pursuit of it, but fail- and the Other Side will take a part of your soul. Mechanically represented by permanent stat penalties; you lose a level for failure. Strength of effect might vary; a minor commitment brings only minor boosts and temporary penalties for failure, but promising to succeed or die- and you'll succeed or die.Not On My Watch!: +2 on (ranged/melee, choice of) when fighting those that would hurt the innocent.I Shot the Sheriff: +3 to Ranged against any authority figures you deem corrupt.--Powers--Heroic Sights: When fighting with a Revolver, the character may spend a Will point to gain a +5 roll to hit a specific target (i.e, knocking the weapon out of someone's hands.)--Ideals--Justice for all. (See that all who do evil are brought to justice.)No debts. (Free everyone from their debts involving the other side.)A fist full of dollars (Accumulate a small fortune to get away from it all with.)--Goals--Zero: Get rid of the debt with the friends from the other side.On a roll: Bring Alameda Slim to justice.Hero: Bring Doctor Facilier to justice.--Equipment--1x six shooter revolver1x Horse (With no name)1x Lever action repeating rifleNot enough room for his bio. Basic idea is that Alameda Slim and Fecilier both fucked him over and now he's trying to get out of a deal with the friends on the other side.
>>36174724You know, at this point it don't see much point in including Monoke at all.
>>36179616Very nice character generation. I like the flavor he's got as more of a lawman than a cowboy, and can see how he fits really well into that disputed borderlands area between the Shadowlands and the Wild West.Maybe I'll try and remake a few of my old character ideas with the most up to date creation notes
>>36179626I would be happy leaving the Japanese islands as contested between the Huns, the Pirates, Atlantis and Mononoke-esque spirits, but don't think that we need the actual plot of Princess Mononoke made canon in this setting.Can't we just say that the spirits and small gods of the islands, older and wilder than the ancestors on the mainland, have staged their own revolt and made Japan a surreal, mystically-charged warzone?
are we carrying over the idea of a twofold hunnic china campaign?
>>36179748If we're going to include it at all, then we should probably include it so it should be used, preferably making references to the actual characters in it, rather than going full-genocide too.
>>36179748If we use it we should use it all, down to the characters.No point in pussying around: it's either in or out.
>>36179788Oh! Do you mean the idea where the first half of the campaign is the defeat of the Huns, and the second half of the campaign is the actual end of the Spiritual War with the pacification of the spirits and ancestors and the selection of a new Emperor?
>>36179828No we shouldn't. We should give people the OPPORTUNITY to use the characters, same way they have the opportunity to make Belle a Beast, a rebel leader, Gaston's sex slave or some combination of at least two of the above.
>>36179929You're right. Shame that the inly backstory we have kills off 100% of the cast who stay on screen for more than ten minutes.
>>36178110We seem to be putting a lot of focus on singing considering it was originally going to be an optional rule, to allow for us to play via text or in public spaces.
>>36179942Then don't use it. If it's impossible to use, don't try to force it in. I personally liked the idea in >>36179748.
>>36179983It's better to leave something mildly but nicely flavored than try and force it and leave things tasting too salty and unpleasant.
>>36179983Again, if we're going to include it then there's little point in half-assing it. Which is all we're seeming to do.
>>36180008Like I said: Then let's not include it and instead just have cool nature spirits for the sake of cool nature spirits.
>>36180013>Lets just not include it, but include it exactly to the way I'm saying we shouldn't
>>36179839well basically, yes
>>36180052What's wrong with just having cool nature spirits? We're not "half-assing" it, because we're not saying "They're kind of like Ghibli guys", we're saying "They aren't Ghibli guys, they're their own thing."
>well basically, yesmeant to add that I proposed this idea a few threads back
>>36180067Why include it at all at that point? They're basically Mononoke-spirits, but you're just calling them Not-Mononoke spirits to get around doing the backstory for it.
>>36180092Because nature spirits are cool. Not to mention, for the only reason we included them in the first place: What else are we going to put there?
>>36179943You character sings; no one said YOU had to sing.
>>36180110Then why are we bothering to write all these lyrics?
>>36180067What's wrong is that we are doing a Disney setting, so we should use things from Disney movies.Maybe cool nature spirits would be interesting, but so it could be a tribe of steampunk goblins who hunt mammoths in the desert.We can't just add random things because they sound cool on paper, otherwise we would be making Golarion.>>36180117We? One guys likes to write lyrics, so he's writing lyrics.
>>36180140Then why were we using things from Studio Ghibli at all?
>>36180140>We can't just add random things because they sound coolWhy not, who's stopping us? If you think steam punk goblins are cool, just put them in.
>>36180057>>36180075I remember the idea from a few threads back and I'd liked it when you'd proposed it. I like that it shows that there's more to healing the land than just defeating the Villain who happens to be ruling it.How would this campaign be run, do you suppose?I think that the player characters would have to meet up with Mulan the Undying and join her Spiritual Rebellion near the beginning, fighting alongside her soldiers and her undead in what might seem like the setting's most straightforward military campaign. Yes there are spirits and undead, but essentially the story is of a grassroots rebellion fighting against an occupying enemy. Once Shan Yu is killed however, things take a real turn as the allied ancestors no longer have an enemy to unite them, and they start bickering and infighting as to how they believe China ought to be ruled from here on out, turning on each other and themselves.It makes me wonder what's to become of Mulan the Undying in such a scenario, having devoted herself so completely and for so long to killing Shan Yu, but discovering that his death has not succeeded in bringing peace to the land as she had been told and believed it would.
>>36180152I can't give you a reason: I voted against it.>>36180155>So, you see, it's a setting based around the question: "What if the Disney Villains won"?>Oh, cool! And how d. . . wait, are those steampunk goblins?>Yeah, I tought they were cool. And look, this is were I put the elves!
>>36180155I'm the guy advocating nature spirits, and I think that's a bad plan. We can't put in things that are TOO out of place. We're including Eldorado because it fits Disney. Not to mention we have nature spirits anyway, so including them isn't too massive a problem. Ghibli just doesn't fit with the Disney style. We only agreed to include them because Disney was responsible for distribution, I seem to recall, but then why have Eldorado? That was completely unrelated to Disney.
>>36180176Then you and I both want an alternative to Ghibli. What would you suggest?
>>36180176>>36180178>>36180179And again, why not? You can laugh all you want, but if someone wants to have elves and dwarves, we should just put them in. Why are you people so dead set on not giving us what we want?
>>36180196I think you mean not giving YOU what you want. You're the only one advocating elves and dwarves, bro.Not to mention we already have dwarves, and Atlanteans could be elves.
>>36180196>what we want>WEIt's just you. Everyone else is willing to get with the program.
>>36180196But we already have elves and dwarves. Elves are of the "asshole fae" variant and obey Maleficient, while dwarves have been enslaved by Queen Grimhilde and forced to work in her mines and craft superior equipment for her armies. They even have a resistance movement.
>>36174056Can't help but think pic related is relevant
>>36180189I believe that the general consensus is that it's split between the Huns, the EITC, the pirates and Ursula.
>>36180189My main problem is that I just don't see what's so important about Japan that we just HAVE to put something special there.There are no Disney movies set in Nigeria, but we didn't go around searching for animated stuff set there. we just give the place to some one we already had.We should just do the same with Japan: let's say it's a contested land between Shan Yu, Ursula and Captain Hook and David Jones.A war zone with civilians caught in the middle of several armies is something we lack herew, while North American is already filled with cool nature spirits doing whaky nature spirits stuff.>>36180196Because I like steamed trout and I like vanilla ice cream, but I don't want to eat them together.
>>36180210>>36180216>>36180256It's not me, there a lot of people here that want more varied options: just because something is not in a disney movie it doesn't mean we shouldn't put it in. Nature spirits and more traditional fantasy elements would make this setting better, not worse, since that way we could add a lot more classes and options.
>>36180253>>36180256I'm okay with this. Let's do it.>>36180321Dude, I've advocated for tons of things not in Disney movies. We should not have generic traditional fantasy elements. We have the opportunity to make something unique here, don't drag it down with your generic fantasy bullshit.
>>36180321>just because something is not in a disney movie it doesn't mean we shouldn't put it in. With the exception of honorary Disney and elements from the literature upon which the movies were based, I can assure you that you are very, very wrong.>since that way we could add a lot more classes>more classes>pic related
>>36180321I can appreciate your position, but while I had originally said that adding Mononoke's nature spirits might be a good idea, I would really we rather not open a big can of worms by trying to add in "more traditional fantasy elements" as you're suggesting. The overarching theme of this entire project has been "Disney as Fuck," and I'm afraid of diluting that theme or causing the setting and the system to stray too far from the source material.
>>36180321like how the idea of Frollo having a platoon of headless mules because he has a gypsy harem has been joked aboutI still say that giving the option of including random brazillian folklore for shits and giggles is a fantastic idea
>>36180360adding folklore flavor (but flavor only) to fill in any holes that might pop up isn't a bad idea though
>>36180372If you want things that are Disney as Fuck™, why the fuck would you include Ghibli?
>>36180404That's what this entire debate is about.>>36180403>>36180377I did find this back in the HUELAND thread. Has anyone seen it? It looks like it could be honorary Disney material.
>>36180377>>36180403See? people want more options, not this Disney straight jacked you locked us in. Ghibli is good, headless mules are good, we should put in more stuff like that.
>>36180446The "headless mules" thing was a joke. And seriously, only one guy wants Ghibli. You don't count, you just want things that aren't Disney, and as such are playing the wrong system. It's like asking a 40k game to let you play a Jedi.
>>36180404we've been over this at least 8 times already>pidgeonhole weeaboos, give them a tiny place that is guaranteed not to expand and you both make them stop yelling and keep them from going anywhere else>so the Huns don't have ALL of Asia >it makes a clusterfuck of a situation with the rest of the factions that are there, because those are interesting>arguably-neutral nature spirits are not a bad thing to have one or two more of, you need easymode places for characters to start in case they don't want to belong to a faction right off the bat>there really aren't many (or any) other Disney-esque options for that area, and [see note #2]. Hero Team 6 was already considered and discarded as too futuristic
Y'know, for all the complaining about Nob and his WIZARDS, he does a pretty good job of keeping us on track. We tend to actually achieve shit when he's here.
>>36180500I count at least 3 people
>>36180446Go play D&D, dude.The argumebt for Ghibli was that disney helped distribute and even then, we juat left it as a clusterfuck area. There's no K/L/R properly set for it and they don't play a substantital partThis is a DISNEY SETTING, with that one thibg there because, look at this, because nobody elsa knew what to do with JapanIf you and two more guys want elves and dwarves, though shit, there's another 10 that don't want that shit here
>>36180446You want to add elves, wizards and other traditional fantasy elements in your game? Fine, nobody can tell you how to have fun, but don't try to shoehorn them into the core setting just to make it look more varied.
>>36180446Frollo being a lich in the first place is a relic from thread 2 before we agreed that the timeline was going to be a clusterfuck (Frollo needed to be a lich to have survived to the era of Atlantis). The headless donkey thing was just a joke; if we include it, it'll be as an inside joke for everyone who was in the HUELANDER thread. None of that is an invitation to go full Golarion.
>>36180512Yeah, which is why we make fun of him. It's comraderia mockery.Frankly a lot of anons did contribute but Nob was the one that kept kicking us back on track and making most of the crunch
>>36180522I don't think anyone's arguing to make the area bigger, we're just fighting to keep it because it DOES make things interesting
>>36180511>pidgeonhole weeaboos, give them a tiny place that is guaranteed not to expand and you both make them stop yelling and keep them from going anywhere elseAlternatively, just tell them to fuck off and go play something else.>so the Huns don't have ALL of Asia Pirates. Ursula.>it makes a clusterfuck of a situation with the rest of the factions that are there, because those are interestingPirates. Ursula.>arguably-neutral nature spirits are not a bad thing to have one or two more of, you need easymode places for characters to start in case they don't want to belong to a faction right off the batThe nature spirits working with Aurora Borealis.>there really aren't many (or any) other Disney-esque options for that area, and [see note #2]. Hero Team 6 was already considered and discarded as too futuristicPirates. Ursula.In the end, the answers are to add in regular non-Ghibli nature spirits and to include Pirates, the EITC and Ursula. Also, if we're not accommodating wizards we won't accommodate weebs, because those are even worse.
>>36180548thus far I count one or two people who are fighting to get rid of it and two or three that are fighting for it and the rest are just standing by and watching the fightwe took a poll, Shikigame won by a fair margin
>>36180580You count two or three POSTS that are fighting for it. Numbers of people can't be judged by posts on anonymous image boards.
Guess what time it is, kiddies! That's right, it's strawpoll time!http://strawpoll.me/2995317
>>36180594I'm remembering past threads actually, there was more than one personand the same can be said for the posts fighting against it
>>36180621Please note: If you say an option that isn't "all of the above", you're voting we give Japan solely to that thing. Voting for generic nature spirits doesn't just replace Ghibli, voting for all of the above without Ghibli does. Otherwise, it all goes.
I know for a FACT that we pretty much only called that area Ghibli to give it a name and a vague theme. In-game it was basically a big 'HERE BE SPIRITS' on the map>>36180639I'm pretty sure we're only talking about what's currently lavender, the rest will stay as is
>>36180439No one's seen this movie? Shame, I'd like to have put something in Hueland more than just 'tributaries of Yzma'. I don't even mean that from a territory point of view, I'd just to be able to talk about shit that went down there.
>>36180658I know, but there are options on the poll to give it entirely to spirits of either variety, pirates, the EITC or Ursula. I thought it was better to include those options just in case.
>>36180542Plus the fact that we have fewer people posting around this time, and things tend to slow down. Our creative juices just flow more freely later on it seems, and when we run low we tend to get to bickering.
>>36180658>>36180678Should we just count any votes for "generic nature spirits" as votes against Ghibli then?
>>36180542>the one that kept kicking us back on track and making most of the crunchNot really: he kicks us back on track, yes, but he never made a lot of crunch himself. Some traits and stuff, but mostly he gathers stuff other people did.
>>36180724I'd say so.
>>36180729And is that less useful or more useful? Better to keep a lot of people making fluff than be the only one making fluff yourself, I'd say.>>36180735Somebody voted for generic nature spirits. Whoever that was, did you want it to be just nature spirits or instead of ghibli? If the latter, you don't need to say anything, we'll assume it.
>>36180724>>36180742as the voter who took that option, I am more for Ghibli than against it, I mostly did that as a compromise
>>36180742It's very useful to have someone to gather things. I was just pointing out what it is that he does.
>>36180763yes, archive diving is a pain in the ass and having a compiler is wonderful
>>36180742I'm the one that voted for Generic Nature Spirits, but if I have to choose I am more against Ghibli that in favor.
>>36180775shut up liaris there any way to unvote?
>>36180759Well, that's what generic nature spirits are. They're a replacement for Ghibli.>>36180784No, there isn't.
>Vote is a dead tie, flipping back and forth between with and without Ghibli and the draw.Please tell me this isn't two guys who keep changing their IPs to get more votes.
>>36180763Well, he didn't really compile everything himself: I remember clearly that we had one guy putting together the rules and one guy putting together the fluff. Nobody gathered the traits, I guess?
So, assuming that nature spirits mean as a replacement for Ghibli, that gives us 5-6 against with roughly 40 minutes left on the clock.
new concept for Yzma, Suggestibility potion. after all, why go to war with someone when you can have them agreeing with /whatever/ you say after a few drinks.
>>36180802You see, this is why we can't decide things. There's no telling how many people want what.
>>36180808I don't think we are going to get a lot more votes in the next 40 minutes.Unless . . .>>36180802Christ, I hope not.
>>36180808I keep saying >>36180759My vote SHOULD have been 'combination with Ghibli'
>>36180805>Nobody gathered the traitsBut we have a list of traits, so someone must have gathered them.
>>36180841'nobody' means Nob
>>36180724You know, you could just use fantasia's firebird and nature spirit as your 'generic spirits.' Shit, the volcano could even be mt. Fuji if you wanted. You guys already use chernabog, why not make Japan this -> http://vimeo.com/m/36277436
>>36180849we've already got Firebird in Oregon
>>36180849Nah, the Firebird lives in Mt. St. Helens.
>>36180836The fact that you keep insisting it makes me suspicious of if it was actually you. It's like when somebody posts a screencap to prove they aren't samefagging. >>36180849Congratulations! You've realised exactly what we've been doing this whole time!
>>36180784>>36180836Are you shitting me? I'm the one that alway said we should have generic nature spirits. I voted that, you cunt.
>>36174444>One of them may or may not be a Beast roaming the French countryside.Naw, Gaston's win condition pretty much requires he kills Beast. He even has a song entitled "Kill the Beast".Belle, however, is one of the surviving heroes. She's married to Gaston under the effects of Frollo's mind control, and is pumping out Gaston's sons at an alarming rate (sons which may or may not be the super-human result of Gaston's genetics and Frollo's magic). There are currently three sons and a fourth on the way.
>>36180849The forests we saw in the Firebrd's short looked like temperate rainforests, the sort you find in British Columbia.On the other hand, who's to say the Firebird can't just pop out of any volcano anywhere in the world?
>>36180759>>36180784>>36180836>>36180860Look, it's irrelevant. Anti-Ghibli is winning either way. Although personally, I think that vote should just be discounted since we don't know who made it.
>>36180860I have no way to prove otherwise, other than the fact that you're making me want to strangle you for being so low as to lieCould we just do a new poll? Then I could vote the way I meant to, and Dear Liar, please don't be an ass and change your vote to Generic Spirits
>>36180876Yeah. I don't see why he has to stay in mt. St. Helens. He/she seems like a pretty primal force.
>>36180876Also, there was an elk.
>>36180836>>36180860>>36180881Personally I'm starting to think you two are actually the same guy, trying to troll us into not making a poll.Are generic fantasy guy? Is this you revenge for those poor D&D elves we didn't add to the setting?
>>36180881No matter how you voted, not-Ghibli would still come out on top. No point in having another poll.
Half an hour left on the poll. Looks like Ghibli's out, folks. Unless we get a huge and sudden influx of weeaboos.
>>36175597Dino Kissinger's name is Antrodemus Red-Throat.
>>36180911Well, as someone who wanted Ghibli, can we still have nasty spirits? I really liked the mystery there
>>36180848>>36180841Actually, that was meThe problem is that I didn't separate thrm inyo balanced and not quite done traits, I was hoping somebody could take a jab at it since my crunch fu is extremely weak
>>36180922Spirits are a thing. The spirits that we have can still be dicks.
>>36180927Sooner or later we are going to get around to it.I'd help you, but I'm more of a general rules kind of guy, so I never really checked out what kind of Traits, Powers and Species people made.
>>36179308Ooh yeah, that's good
>>36180868I think that Anon was talking about the "Belle as a Beast" rumor, or perhaps the "Belle's bastard daughter with the Beast," which I actually find myself wanting to write about.
The EITC vote in the poll is probably against Ghibli too, since it's voting for a replacement.
>>36180988>>36180961Right? The idea's got legs and could be really fun, providing the PCs with an ally in Frollo/Malificent's lands.
Why does everyone want Ghibli gone again?
>>36180934It could be another branch of Aurora Borealis, maybe. They like their spirits up there.
>>36181029That makes the most sense. Honestly I'd prefer it if we didn't have to fuck around in Japan at all any more.
>>36181025Why would we want Ghibli anyway? It's unfitting, it hasn't been fluffed, and there are so many equal or better replacements.
>>36181045>It's unfitting,How so?> it hasn't been fluffedLike a lot of things.> and there are so many equal or better replacements.Such as?
>>36181025Same reason I only want Disney movies: because it's a setting about Disney movies.
>>36181029This has already been suggested. Filling all of Japan with nature spirits is actually an option on the poll, though I think it's better to have nature spirits, pirates, Huns, EITC and Ursula in the same place, just for the ridiculous clusterfuck of a warzone that would create.>>36181059>How so?Ghibli isn't Disney As Fuck™ at all. It's a lot of things, but it isn't Disney.>Like a lot of things.Fair point.>Such as?Ursula. Pirates. The nature spirits we already have. Huns.
>>36181059>How so?It's not Disney>Such as?A four way between Ursula, the EITC, the pirates and Shan Yu.
>>361810765-way, if we include AB's spirits.
>>36181059Such as it being a small area fought tooth and nail over by the Huns, the EITC, the pirates and Ursula, plus maybe some Aurora Borealis spirits as well.
>>36181069>>36181076>it isn't Disney>It's not DisneySo fucking what? We can still put it in if it's cool and people like it.
Guy that wrote the Japan fluff. Don't feel like getting a name unless i have to.Would 'Generic Nature Spirits' mean that land goes to Aurora Borealis? I'm cool with that, honestly. Missed a lot overnight.>>36181045>it hasn't been fluffedhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1gO6mDY7V3kCCAJfCwL7ZM3U7oHrylNcI_sjrE9Uq7BI/edit?usp=sharingIt's not good, but I wouldn't call it nothing.
>>36181090imo spirits are spirits, and the only difference between shinto spirits and borialis is that one has shrines and the other has dances
>>36181092I'd just give Japan to the Pirates: they need an island base like that.
>>36181069>Ghibli isn't Disney As Fuck™ at all. It's a lot of things, but it isn't Disney.>>36181076>It's not DisneyThought the reason we included it was because Mononoke was bought over by Disney, dubbed by Disney and sold by them too.Unless it's some sort of "It isn't Disney in spirit" thing I'm missing here. I don't agree with >>36181092, that sort of attitude is bad, but there is a reason we included it beyond "It looked and sounded cool at the time.">>36181069>The nature spirits we already have.I feel the Demon/Shishigami/Animal Gods could be a good combo to replace those nature spirits.
>>36181092I'm sorry, did you miss this entire argument, or are you still just bitter about losing it?>>36180536>>36180528>>36180522>>36180500>>36180446>>36180439>>36180404>>36180403>>36180377>>36180360>>36180346>>36180321>>36180256>>36180228>>36180216>>36180210>>36180196>>36180179>>36180178>>36180176>>36180155>>36180140>>36180067
>>36181092No we can't. It has to bare enough of a resemblance to a Disney movie that it will fit in a world made of Disney movies, or it won't fit. Also, >We can still put stuff in if it's cool and people like it.Is it cool? Yes. Do people like it? Look at the poll, genius. There are 6 votes for Ghibli vs 11 votes for something else.>>36181100Yes, it would. All of the above without Ghibli means Ghibli's lands go to AB, but everything else stays as it is.>>36181115Yeah, it's about being Disney in spirit more than being made by Disney. Unfortunately, Ghibli isn't. Also, why would we replace the spirits?
>>36181100Anon, your fluff can be summed up by "Remove everything that made Mononoke Mononoke, just do it instory rather than meta", it adds nothing other than that.
>>36181115Methinks a better approach to take would be>>36181103
>>36181115>the reason we included it was because Mononoke was bought over by Disney, dubbed by Disney and sold by them too.It was a bad reason then and it's a bad reason now: Disnery buys and sells a lot of stuff, but that doesn't mean it's Disney™: only Disney movies are Disney movies.I mean: Kill Bill was distributed by Disnery, but it's not Disney™.
>>36181143You've got me there. At least we came to a (hopefully final) compromise on the topic.
>>36181142>Yeah, it's about being Disney in spirit more than being made by Disney.Well you're certainly right there, that's something I can't argue.>Also, why would we replace the spirits?Meant the spirits planned to replace the Shishigami, rather than all spirits forever.>>36181145I don't know, seems to be kind of a half-assed stopgap to me, I'd prefer EITC themed puppet monarch.>>36181148Eldorado, correct me if I'm wrong, was a Dream works movie, wasn't it?
Can we maybe put the debate to rest for now and concentrate on fluffing and crunching things out? We've still got a lot of great stuff worth doing in these threads without things getting more heated than they already are.>Writing more KLRs>Fluffing and statting some NPC allies>Character creation>Campaign and quest brainstorming>Writing or drawing, if the talent is thereI'm getting ready for thread archival, and it would be nice to start the next one on a positive note.
>>36181167>Eldorado, correct me if I'm wrong, was a Dream works movie, wasn't it?And it was a mistake including it: we should totally take it out.I mean, even if it does fit the theme it still keeps attracting people like you and generic fantasy guy.
Alright, gents, it's been an hour, and the end result is 9 votes for Some combination of the above without Ghibli, 6 votes for Some combination of the above, with Ghibli, 1 vote for Pirates and 1 vote for The EITC. REMOVE GHIBLI it is.>>36181167>Eldorado, correct me if I'm wrong, was a Dream works movie, wasn't it?Like we said: Disney in spirit. Though if you're a purist, just turn Eldorado into the Tributaries.
>>36181183Hmm. This is actually a dilemma. Do we keep Eldorado, knowing it might give people the wrong impression, or do we dump it and thus lose an interesting area? My personal vote is that it exists, but it's merged into the Tributaries.
>>36181175I'm with this guy
>>36181148>>36181167I'm a fan of including El Dorado, but it might be best to save it for the Dreamworks expansion, and give it the temporary boot along with the Mononoke stuff.
>>36181118And now you're turning against eachother. It was inevitable: usign only disney movies is a stupid idea and it goes completely against thew wonder that these threads were originally about. By trying to keep it pure, pure, pure, you're ruining it.
>>36181192Keep it, it's Disney enough. We're not putting any more in from Dreamworks.
>>36181202But we aren't. It's people trying to stop it being pure that are ruining it. You aren't the solution, you're part of the problem.
>>36181183>even if it does fit the theme it still keeps attracting people like you and generic fantasy guy.Not sure what I'm doing wrong here, I was just asking since I didn't remember Eldorado being a Disney film and as such was confused about it's err...Disney spirit in that one Anon's eyes who wanted to remove it, you, I think.>>36181186>Like we said: Disney in spirit.Which is what I thought.
>>36181167Yes, but let's consider a hypothetical situation for a moment: you, initially knowing nothing about the movie, one day see El Dorado without seeing the title cards or credits; you have seen nothing that officially indicates who produced the movie. If someone were to tell you that it were produced by Disney, would you not accept that as the truth at face value?That is our standard for 'honorable Disney', and that's why we included El Dorado.
>>36181200>>36181192I also like Eldorado and it fits the Disney as Fuck theme perfectly, but since the day we included it we started getting people that used it as an excuse for adding everything to the setting.
>>36181227Let's make Eldorado its own territory in the expansions. In the meantime, make an Aztec part of the tributaries. A little blood magic might make Yzma a more threatening villain.
>>36181236Really not the point of Yzma.
>>36181247Well, what is the point? So far, the only evil things we've seen her do are taxes and the occasional generic mad science thing. Who's to say blood magic can't be combined with the latter? Besides, if Yzma herself isn't an Aztec priestess (of course she isn't), couldn't we just have Tzekel-Kan be an important religious official in her empire?Ooh, idea: Yzma destroyed an Aztec-like civilisation, and now the survivors are raiding the surrounding territories and trying to start a rebellion using profane magic and human sacrifices. This gives the players more options of things they can do to ally with Yzma, Facilier or Slim, or perhaps allies to stand against them.
>>36181277I believe that Yzma isn't meant to be the evilest of the Villains by far. Her brand of evil is the cartoony, super-villainous sort of evil that leaves her citizens modestly miserable and jaded to her craziness but not as downtrodden as many cultures across this world.
>>36181247Look at this woman, anon. Do you really think she doesn't deserve more than a continent?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=374xW4zZbZAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhcyeIEBT4I
>>36181202>everyone has a civil discourse about some questionable material>one faggot comes along and demands that the setting include whatever the fuck his whims tell him to include on that particular day>faggot gets denied>"YOU'RE TURNING AGAINST EACH OTHER GUYS!!!11!1! YOU HAVE TO STOP TRYING TO KEEP IT PURE!1!!!11!"
>>36181277You can do that in your game. It's one of the many options possible, as opposed to there being one true canon to play in.>captcha: 7076 solargit
>>36181277The point is that Yzma is fun, loony, and a mad scientist. Her kingdom doesn't cheer or cower when she has a new.evil plan, they simply sigh in unison as a "here we go again".She controls the territory by making armies of crocodile and ox men, she pulls levers and laughs madly. Her point is that she is fun and completely egotistical
>>36181308Then why do we have a map?
>>36181323Because that's the option we use.
I'm in favor of leaving ElDorado, mainly because it's virtually indistinguishable from an actual Disney movie, fills a large and pretty important area and gives us a vile as fuck blood-warlock in a continent where almost everyone is on the line of "eh, he's a greedy asshole but he's not really that bad". But it should be the exception, not the rule. You know what? Maybe we should make a header saying exactly this. El Dorado is a stopgap, not an excuse to turn the setting in a kitchensink clusterfuck..
>>36181323You're right; your idea is stupid. We should forget all about it and carry on as we were before.
>>36181323To give people an idea of who should be where. Not who will be there and will not. Maybe Tzekel-kan rules Eldorado as a tributary of Yzma using their massive gold supplies. It's all options.
>>36181318Then I see no problem with an army of Aztec rebels on her borders, also posing threats to Facilier and Alameda. Take away their territory, but keep them there. No way that faggots like that one guy in this thread can see the map and think they can do what they want, but we still get to include Aztecs. This seems to me like a suitable compromise. Of course, that's just my opinion.
>>36181323The map is so we have an idea of who is where. If in your game you don't like Chernobog existing in the world? You can get rid of him.
>>36181340We should probably do this: call the setting "Disney Villains Victorious (To Say Nothing of Tzekel - Kan)".
>>36181378I like the reference
>>36181378Problem with that is there are some other non-Disney guys who could pass for Disney; lich-Rasputin from Anastasia's true dark purpose to be fulfilled is to cement Churned Up Bog's victory by ensuring that Yahweh never makes a comeback, that one movie with the horse might provide a guideline to what the plains indians might be like, Hexxus would be great if we wanted have the world include a toxic wasteland and so on. Still want to keep the door open for other bits of honorary Disney.
Yo, I'm up.Does anyone want MUSIC?I'll probably just go stat things if no one does.
>>36181470I always want to see more of your stuff, man.
>>36181458So: definite non-disney>Road to El DoradoPossible non-Disney>Anastasia>Prince of Egypt>Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron
>>36181236Yzma already owns more land than any other villain, we can't give her even more.
>>36181500Fern Gully, too. Maybe those Swan Princess movies.Prince of Egypt is a particularly good one, because it resonates with the whole 'Churned Up Bog beat God' thing. What chance did the Hebrews stand without Yahweh's help?
>>36181520https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=374xW4zZbZAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhcyeIEBT4IWe should give her the world, anon.
>>36181470Did you manage to get that Huntsmen song?
>>36181520Size of territory isn't always proportionate to power. Compare the UK to any single state in the US, for instance.
>>36181567Yeah, I wrote it last thread. It's in the doc as 'The Mob Song' (Reprise).Trying to think of something good to write about. Hmm, anyone have a specific character and/or setting they'd like a song about?
>>36181553Swan Princess is a pretty terrible movie, and the villain isn't really that interesting. Do we really want to keep it?I am 100% behind adding Ferngully, even if it does mean breaking up Australia.
>>36181583Hades is alway a crowd pleaser, but all this talking about Yzma is making me wondern if we could get something about her victory upon the Sun.
>>36181616That's why I said MAYBE the Swan Princess movies. I don't remember much of them myself, but they're there in case we need a whack of Russian sorcerers.
>>36181470Maybe you could try a song for:>>36179244>>36179308
>>36181583I made a sensible guy character some threads ago......Used to be a pianist at one of Alameda's bar, got told off by his son for being a wimp, now set off to become a manly man and get respect.Is it too boring for a song? The profile's not updated, but that's the basic idea
>>36181583I have recently discovered the musical Children of Eden, and I very much like this song. Do you think you could do something with it?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwtk3Bjd_xIIf not, consider doing Do You Hear the People Sing from the Miserables, set in the Pontifex's dominion.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYb9sRLUDyM
>>36181641If we need Russians, we'll use Anastasia and include RA RA RASPUTIN.
>>36181628There's definitely something in Sverd's useless portfolio of holding about villainous victories that I could modify.>>36181642Not sure if I have anything that'd fit here- that's a pretty specific scenario, but I'll look through.>>36181643No, that's a fine basis for a song indeed. Link the character.
Christ almighty, what happened? I go to sleep for a few hours and when I come back people are putting areas to the torch! We had Princess Mononoke because we wanted to divide up an otherwise incredibly homogenous area with a roadblock of expansion for the Huns and create a pressure zone that was interesting for the players. Moreover, Studio Ghibli films were distributed by Disney in the US.
>>36181675A whack is plural, anon. Swan Princess is only for when we need 2 or more Russian sorcerers.
>>36181687We seem to have decided that a 5 way free for all would be a better option for Japan.
>>36181687Too late, poll is closed.
>>36181667Oh, wow. This is actually perfect for>>36181642That makes things easier.I've considered doing things from Les Mis before, but I'm afraid of having tomatoes thrown at me as a hack for taking something from such a popular. Give me about thirty minutes to an hour to actually get something up, I have to go bake cupcakes. Not joking.(Oh god everyone in the thread probably thinks I'm a flamboyant gay now)
>>36181687We had a poll with almost 20 poeple and decided that we didn't really want it.Democracy has spoken, Nob.
>>36181713So I get no say in things because you unilaterally held a poll early in the morning when many people weren't awake. Okay then. Opinion discarded.>>36181712Yep. I mean, what's interesting for the players if not five different factions all struggling for a tiny island?
THIS TWENTY-FOURTH THREAD HAS BEEN ARCHIVED ON SUP/TG/! PLEASE FEEL FREE TO OUT DOWN YOUR PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES AND GO AND VOTE IT UP!http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+Victorious
>>36181687Too late, Nob. The people have spoken. We're using Aurora Borealis's spirits instead. Also, it's not whether or not they were made by Disney, it's whether or not they're Disney in spirit, which Mononoke is not.
>>36181725>flamboyantly gayFair ladies love cupcakes and those who make them, Sverd. Not often are you flamboyantly gay for doing things fair ladies love.
>>36181725Never apologize for cupcakes. Never.
>>36181687This is what happens when you sleep, nob. You need to stay awake FOREVER.And come on man, morning's relative. I've made half the threads at four in the morning, but I only complain about it in the most passive-aggressive way possible because no-one asked me to be threadstarting guy
>>36181737No, you don't, because the rest of us are staying up and spending time working on this project. The fact that you were asleep means nothing. So what if you didn't get a say? You're not God. Also, for the record, I'm a britfag. 90% of our decisions have been made when either I was sleeping or I should have been sleeping. We've made our decision. You don't like it? Tough, I dealt with it when you guys decided things in MY sleep.
>>36181769Don't care.>>36181766Fair enough. What the fuck do I know. I'll just go back to writing Villain rules.
>>36181737It 19:00 here, and I don't complain when I have to stay awake until 05:00 to stop someone from adding wizards.
>>36181769> I should have been sleepingI know that feeling, my man from Lewisham
Everyone is so salty here.Yo Sverd, can we get one of those cupcakes in here?
>>36181783Nob, don't complain, you should've been here when we were. Now, let's move on without you dragging us back to that argument.
>>36181677Sweet. I'm on my phone now though, I'll give you the link when I can get on my computer
Let's just all cool down now a little bit. This thread's been archived, and it would be really really nice to start on the next with a minimum of muss or fuss. there's still a lot of work to do and a lot of fun to be had, but if everyone gets all riled up it'll just lead to spun wheels, waste time and irritability.
>>36181923Are we ready to start pushing everything into a pdf yet?
>>36181923Who's that in the middle?
>>36181943I can make a Google Doc.
>>36181943Almost, but not quite.
>>36181828Mmmmm. About 50 miniature choclate-frosted and rainbow-sprinkled cupcakes, made with homemade frosting and sprinkles. I can take pictures if you want.I'm gonna get so much tonight.Anyway, MUSICAL INTERLUDESing to the tune of “Mark of Cain” – Children of Eden, 1991 edition.GATSONBeast! Beast!The voice of my son’s bloodCries to me up from the groundI curse that groundAnd I curse youBe a fugitive and a vagabondAll your wretched lifeElse I’ll slay you on the spotI’ll take your headWoe of this tainted progenyAll my children’s line is cursedEven to the seventh generation!Let the righteous hear:The spawn of Belle with guilt and shame is riddenA beastling is the first of her nameShun her like the scorpion and sharkAnd that you may know thatOn this beast I set my mark.The filthy beast must ever bear this mark!MOBThe wild beast howl and the wild winds blowAnd the seeds of anger and hatred growAnd you know things know you wish you didn’t know
>>36181943Not.... Really? I mean, there's nothing stopping us but we're just into alpha. No play testing has been done yet and only character creation is done
>>36181950Entirely unlike tea.
>>36181956My Old Inquisitor Can't Possibly Be This Cute.
>>36181954Oh fuck, I put 'gatson' instead of 'gaston'.Dammit.
>>36182019It'll be adjusted in the fluff catalogue, don't you worry.
>>36181954Awesome work as always! It makes me feel sorry for this little beastling bastard daughter.
It looks like it's time for a new thread.
>>36182180HEY! THREADSTARTER! YOUR UP!
>>36181923>dat Mickey Mouse behind the counter
>>36182192Not the Threadstarter, sorry Threadstarter, but starter of the next thread all the same.NEXT THREAD UP:>>36182412