Welcome to the XXII installment of "Disney Villains Victorious."Disney Villains Victorious is a new /tg/ homebrew project based on the idea of a world, not entirely unlike our own, in which all the villains from all the Disney animated feature films were not defeated at the ends of their movies but were instead victorious, completing their goals in part or in whole.It is a world in which Ursula rules the seas, defied only by the uncatchable Pirate Lords, the cutthroat merchants of the East India Trading Company and the might of Atlantis and its magitech-toting mercenaries. It is a world where the grasslands and jungles and forests are prowled not only by fearsome primal beasts like Shere Kahn and Scar but also by the ruthless, tireless hunters that stalk them. It is a world where Europe has been divvied up between evil sorcerous monarchs like Maleficent, the Horned King, Grimhilde and Jafar, mad, inquisitorial clergymen like Frollo, and Dark Gods like Hades and Chernobog.It is not, however, a world completely devoid of courage, heroism or hope. Around the world, the PCs' characters and their allies plot and plan, fight and strive and win their own victories against the villains that would rule them. The time to fight and to be free is now.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+Victorioushttp://1d4chan.org/wiki/Disney_villains_victoriousAssembled pastebins:King/Land/Rule: http://pastebin.com/p6UzetYh (Needs to be updated)Class roles: http://pastebin.com/fj58NSYMXP: http://pastebin.com/61Je2agNBeast Species: http://pastebin.com/ZNVPBJWjSetting Traits: http://pastebin.com/8RRbwMQTGeneric Traits: http://pastebin.com/MZwvGsyXLore & Fluff: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qj_IIuF_rqh_F2L-SeYn-dBiwDTtwWFpnbcXyfcgeE8DA RULEZ: http://pastebin.com/8zqBfdN2
>>36156847But Maleficent was just a nice girl scorned by a greedy little shit of a man.
>>36156877That may be true, but not necessarily what has happened in this setting.
>>36156926I would still bang her.
>>36154233>>36154456>there is a small band still free, waiting for the opportune time to strike.Grimhilde Mirrorfetish, queen: The Fairest Queen rules the Mirror Kingdoms. I am queen. We are in the right in all matters. PC, Adventurer: I am here to discuss serving your cause. Grimhilde Mirrorfetish, queen: A particular outlaw has been causing us much hardship. Grimhilde Mirrorfetish, queen: Appleeaten is a short walk to the southwest.Grimhilde Mirrorfetish, queen: Seek this place and kill Urist Grumpydigging the Miner.
>>36156877She was a psycho bitch.>You didn't invite me to your party? THEN I KILL YOUR NEWBORN DAUGHTER!That's exactly how a fae queen should be though.
I think I might try to stat out a Hunnic Chinese Campaign character for fun. Just your standard, run of the mill human, but out of curiosity, was there ever any discussion about the possibility of playing an undead character within the context of Mulan's Spiritual War? Personally, I think that within this specific context an undead character would work nicely, but that it might not be entirely appropriate for this setting, and that many posters might not be in favor of it.
Sample Character:>John Littlefinger>Nimble Guy>Attributes:Robustness:8Agility:10Intelligence:7Sensibility:8Charm:7>Skills:Withstand:3Acrobatics:1Travel:3Persuasion:2Ranged:3>Powers:An Impressive Performance: Spend a will point. Gain +5 bonus to Acrobatics or Athletics during this turn. Your movement speed doubles.Eagle-eye Shot: Spend a will point. You can target two enemies during a turn. Get a +3 bonus to Ranged skill.>Traits:Feeling Lucky, Punk?: Gain a +3 bonus to Persuasion if you fight an enemy on one-on-one combat.Mexican Standoff: Gain a +2 bonus to Ranged if you face two enemies in a duel.>Ideals:Here's how you lasso: Teach someone how to lasso. Law and Order, folks: Impose law on a small settlement. >Goals:Law is Justice: Impose law around the territory of Alameda Slim.Lasso em' boys!: Make lasso-ing a countrywide sport.>Equipment:448. Godwyn Revolver (two-handed weapon)Juegos Traditionales' brand armor (light armor)Nob, an old horse.>fluff: <Just make him a once Deputy Sheriff that went into hiding when Alameda SLim took over. Has an affinity for lasso's and wants to make it into a sport.>
>>36156847Updated KLR. I actually posted these some four threads ago, but apparently nobody noticed.http://pastebin.com/Z8wFJrhhContains Hades, Facilier, Frollo and what little there was regarding Yzma
>>36156877We're ignoring Maleficent apart from the fairie designs.
Loving it so far, but I have a question: what about the Princesses? Are they the same ones as in the movies, or are there new and different ones? What relations would they have with the villains: would they be evil too, or would it be a disturbing and smoking hot "master/slave" thing?
>>36157248This is up to the discretion and/or perversion of the GMs.
>>36157248I think the only real answer I can give to these questions is 'Yes'.
So people were going to re-make the Mononoke lore last thread or something?
>>36157280I thought so. I just wasn't sure how magical our realm would be, ifyannowhatImean.
I really hope i can GM this with some friends. They are professional actors working and composing musicals. They also make improv music and musicals.Can you imagine how awesome this would be?
>>36156847Gaston is only a villain if you're a beta-bitch boy.So what would have happened if Gaston had won? He kills a fucking kidnapping monster, and puts an objectively crazy old man in a place where they can give him the care he needs.The Beast is like a metaphor for abusive relationships, and teaches young girls a terrible lesson: "Deep down beyond that raging, plate smashing shouting asshole monster is really a hurt little child that you can fix." It's like page one of the abused womans handbook. What's Gastons biggest crime? That he's not really into Books? Who cares? Don't be elitist. He's a hunter, he actually contributes to the society by putting food on the table. He's got a lot of chicks into him? Does that make him bad? He could fuck any girl in town, he's looking for a smart interesting woman for a WIFE. Usually women consider that a GOOD thing.
>>36157248Of all the Princesses, I believe that we've only come to a consensus on three:>Kidagakash of Atlantis has completely merged with the Heart of Atlantis, but has retained her consciousness and acts as a sort of guardian deity for all Atlanteans, coming to them in their dreams and protecting them through the crystal pendants they wear.>Princess Anna of Arendelle was frozen solid and killed by her sister ice powers, causing Elsa to fall into the deep despair that doomed their country to suffer a permanent winter. That despair then animated her body, transforming it into a friendly but ditzy construct of blue ice.>Mulan was killed by the Huns some time during their invasion and Shan Yu was able to take over all of China, executing the Emperor and usurping his throne. Unable to let this transgression stand, the Honored Ancestors raised Mulan as an unkillable, undead Joan of Arc figure to lead a Spiritual War against the Huns.
>>36157087Maybe a downgrade to agility in favour of one for ROBUSTNESS?
Does anyone feel like writing up rules for playing different raptors, from Velociraptors up to Utahraptors?
>>36157622I'll have a crack.
>>36157394Or if you're Belle.As her father is insane and she is a woman and therefore doo dumb to run her own life she'll be married off for her own best, and it's not rape if they're married.
>>36157581That might actually work. An agility cap with a boost to ROBUSTNESS. Or perhaps an intelligence cap? I don't know. I think it might be able to work out in a Chinese Campaign, seeing as the theme of that Land is good(ish) undead and spirits against the Huns.Still working in my Chinese character.
>>36157644Can't think of more powers/traitsRaptorSize - Small to LargeNatural Weapons - Bite, Sickle Claw+2 to Agility, -2 to RobustnessRacial Traits-Clever Girl - +2 on Brawl rolls against an enemy already engaging another character-Thief Species - +3 on Legerdemain rollsRacial Powers-Fastest Thief- Spend a Will point for +10 on any Acrobatics or Athletics roll
Should any of the "villains" be actually not evil in this setting? Not necessarily good or kind, but just not as vile and malicious as they are depicted in their respected animated films? More like neutral forces that people don't understand and are afraid of, but who don't want to just destroy or rule humanity for the sake of ruling or destroying it? Maybe PC could ally with some of them if they behave a certain way or turn the neutrals against themselves if they do it wrong.What do you think?
>>36157836Elsa, the Firebird (sort of), the Aurora Borealis, Alameda Slim, Radcliffe all sort of fit those criteria.
>>36157828Eh, I'd say only the smaller raptors get the stat adjustments. Good work though.
>>36157864don't forget President Rourke that glorious bastard
>>36157836I mean, it's not different then how he's depicted in the films, but Louie isn't malicious.He's reckless and dangerous but he doesn't go out of his way to harm people, and can be quite helpful and friendly.
>>36157864>the Firebird>The Firebird has no alliances; he serves no one, he cannot distinguish friend from foe - he is a primal living force of destruction. He lives only to destroy and despises all that brings life and creation. His only weakness is that he only destroys - he cannot create nor can he persist, as he returned to his slumber when there is nothing left for him to destroy.Yeah, no.
The Right Honorable Judge Dread>"20 years in the slammer, creep.">Human Sensible GuyRobustness 10Agility 7Intelligence 7Sensibility 10Charisma 6>SkillsInsight 5Travel 3Ranged 3 (9 with Shotgun)Prevent Harm 3 (5 with Leather Vest and Shield-Badge)Endure 3Brawl 3Persuasion 3Intimidate 4>Powers:- I AM THE LAW!: Cannot be dissuaded from the cause of law enforcement by illusions or social skills unless the other party spends a will point.- My Word is as Good as Law: When swearing any sort of oath or making any sort of promise, you may spend a heart point to gain a +5 bonus to any checks you need to directly fulfill the oath or promise.>Traits:- STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM!: +2 to Intimidate, Melee, Ranged and Prevent Harm against the criminal element.- I Shot the Sheriff: +3 to Ranged against any authority figures you deem corrupt.- But I Did Not Shoot the Deputy: +3 to any checks to judge someone's moral character.Ideals- LLLLLAAAAAAAWWWWWW!- No one breaks the law and gets away with it.- No one.Goals- Bring some semblance of law to the Old West- Bring genuine Law to the Old West- Take down Alameda SlimEquipment- Shotgun (+6 Ranged)- Leather Vest (+1 Prevent Harm)- Shield-Badge (+1 Prevent Harm)- Trusty Steed (Halves travel times)
>>36157929Well, it doesn't want to destroy humanity for the sake of destroying it, it seeks to destroy everything because that is the only thing it can do in any way, shape or form.Hence why I said 'sort of'.
A'ight you glorious bunch of faggotsroll20 testrun when? Or are we just going to wait for based Sleepy Hollow adventure anon to report back?Fuck that, let's go punch some villains guys
I just realized somethingOur shotguns give a huge bonus to ranged, right?I'm not sure if that's how it works but by now we can probably have people sniping at each other with shotguns
>>36156871You guys know these lists are also full on the really early not balanced stuff right?
>>36157864>ElsaYes.>the FirebirdNo. It is the force of nature and nothing else, if we don't change it in this universe. There's no way PC's would be able to communicate or ally with it. Lure a villian so it eats him|her? Sure, but that's not really the same thing, they could as well use an avalanche or a volcano.>the Aurora BorealisYes.>Alameda Slim, Ratcliffe Not really. These two are pretty much self-centred and egoistic bastards and don't really care for anything else but their miserable goals. They minor and pretty much powerless but would hop in place of the present big guys if given the power.>>36157887>RourkeI guess so.However, I was talking about other villains. What do those who don't strife for world domination want? Do any of them regret what they done, wish the past was different? Maybe the present state of the world irritates some and they are ready to help bring the most annoying rulers down just to so noone would ever bother them?Like, should Queen Grimhilde even try to take down the players? Should Maleficent be as malicious?
>>36157976As a fellow Dredd fan, I approve of this.
>>36158141If they threaten her power, Grimhilde will try to take them down. If one's them beautiful, she'll do her damn best to kill her. She's a narcissistic control freak.Yes, Maleficent should be as malicious as she is. She tried to kill a child because her parents didn't invite her to the christening - and when that doesn't stick she tries her hardest to make sure the girl will never be woken. She's a fey, she calls herself the Mistress of All Evils and calls upon ALL THE POWERS OF HELL. Why on Chairman Bob's blackened earth would she not be as malicious?
>>36158186*one of them is
>>36158183Ditto, but wouldn't he work better as a charming/intimidating or big guy?
>CoC session ended badly last night>Ithaqua summoned, Vermont is fucked, we barely get out alive>I take the moment to suggest that we give our always-gm a break and try a new system>everyone in my group is reading the pastebins today>I have never gm'd beforeIt's do or die time, for me and the systemI'll report back a week from today and we'll see how things go IRL
>>36158321You're doing the Mouse's work, anon. I hope it goes well.
>>36158321We have faith in you, AnonMay the McDuck bless your attempts.Also, remember:DISNEYASFUCK.
>>36158321What campaign are you planning?
>>36158367Writing up a oneshot to start out, something simple (I know people in my group browse /tg/, so now is a good time for you to leave). I haven't seen much fluff for the gargoyles from hunchback, so I'm planning on using a crazed one as the main enemy. I figured Frollo might order them removed from any church when he comes to power, so they all come to life and flee, some becoming feral without the church binding them. This one ends up terrorizing a small town, not important enough for the Inquisition to get involved, but a difficult encounter for a low-level party.
>>36158403>a narcissistic, manipulative, anti-intellectual egomaniac driven by greed for the unobtainable>Not a highly unpleasant person at the very least
>Huo Zhi>Medium Sized Chinese Farmer (Strong Guy)>"Ohhhhh I can't be having with this..."Huo Zhi is a farmer with modest desires and ambitions: all she really, truly wants to raise her children, farm her land and honor her ancestors in peace. She is also, however, a farmer with a temper who doesn't tolerate tomfoolery and who refuses to be pushed around. When the new Hunnic governor of her province began levying higher taxes and making examples of the farmers who couldn't afford to pay them, Zhi decided it might be time to find out more about this whole "Spiritual Rebellion" mess that her neighbors keep whispering about, and just who this "Ping Mulan" thinks she is.- ROBUSTNESS: 10- Agility: 6- Intelligence: 7- Sensibility: 10- Charm: 7- Athletic 2- Brawl 1- Endure 1- Insight 2- Intimidate 1- Melee 2- Persuasion 2- Withstand 1>Traits:-This man is obviously a Charlatan +2 on Insight checks against people who are obviously villains. - Don't You Disrespect Me, Little Man! + 3 to Intimidate if the character has taken a Social strike in this Situation- Not On My Watch!+ 2 on combat rolls against those that would hurt the innocent.>Powers:- Force Of Will:Spend a Will point to gain +10 to Endure for one minute- Let's Get Down To Business:Spend a will point to scold, harangue and inspire your allies, temporarily improving their highest primary stats by 3 and each of their others by 1.>Equipment:- Momma's Farming Clothes (Light Armor)- The Huo Family Hoe (+ 2 Melee)- Portable Chest of Drawers (+ 1 to Party Crafting and Medical Science checks)
>>36158141>There's no way PC's would be able to communicate or ally with it.>He doesn't know about Linguistics: Bird
>>36158481That's utterly ridiculousYou'd need at least rank 4
>>36158474 >Ideals:- Find out just what's going on. Who's in charge around here anyway?- Find out how to improve the situation at hand in the most straightforward manner possible.- Find out where to find a good meal around here. You're famished.>Goals:- Zero - Meet this "Ping Mulan" and find out who she is. What she stands for, and if she's capable.- On a Roll - Free her village and her province from the Huns- Hero - See peace restored to the Chinese countryside and and both the Hun Regine and the Spiritual War ended.My idea was for a momma bear, strinf and shrews support character, but I'm not sure I pulled it off.
Churned up Bog help me, /tg/. I've created a T-rex who seeks to emulate King Arthur. THE MADNESS HAS CLAIMED ME!Rex-Arthur>T-Rex Strong GuyRobustness 16Agility 10 (9 with Heavy Armor)Intelligence 4Sensibility 7Charisma 7>T-rexnessGiant Size (+4 when charging into combat)+2 Brawl with biteStat AdjustmentsBeast penalties+10 Beast Speed>SkillsAthletics 4Prevent Harm 4 (7 with Heavy Armor)Brawl 4 (9 with natural weapons and Excalifangs)Intimidate 5Endure 4Travel 3>Powers:- Tyrant's Roar: Spend a Will Point to gain +10 to an Intimidate roll, and it affects everyone within a hundred meters instead of one target.- My Enemies Are Delicious: After having defeated a foe in physical combat, you may eat him and gain a strike back. Medium and smaller creatures can be eaten in a single round, large ones 2 rounds and giant ones can generally only be eaten outside of combat. >Traits:- Slicing Teeth: +2 on Brawl and Melee rolls using natural weapons.- Impossible Strength: +2 to Robustness Cap- Lizard King: +3 on all Social rolls against Lizards and other cold-blooded landdwellers.Ideals:- Violence is not the answer; violence is the question, and the answer is yes.- Next to violence, honesty is the best policy.- The noblest of human kings should be used as role models.Goals- Construct his own Camelot and royal court.- Assemble his own Knight of the Round Table.- Rule all of Dinosaur Island.Equipment- Heavy Armor: +3 to Prevent Harm, -1 Agility, -4 movement- Exaclifangs: +3 to BrawlNo one ask me to justify this. It can never be justified.
>>36158551Tyrannosaurs would really have Bonecruncher as opposed to Slicing Teeth. The latter's an allosaur trait, really.
>>36158574Eh, true. My minmaxing demons tell me that he'll never get to use it though. Well, good thing being sub-optimal isn't fatal in this game.
>>36158551It doesn't need to be justified, Anon. It's an Arthursaurus Rex. It justifies its own existence.
>>36158590>minmaxing demonsKnight, for fuck's sake, we already have enough trouble keeping Nob from setting this whole thing on fire out of fear of wizardsMust you REALLY risk bringing the underworld minions in here too? If he starts throwing holy fire, it'll be your ass
>>36158474>>36158509You're not using the most updated chargen rules, but otherwise it looks great.
>>36158623>yfw when Nob is Frollo and Frollo is NobHELLFIREDARK FIRENOW WIZARDS IT'S YOUR TURNCHOOSE NARRATIVE ORYOUR PYREBY RULES-LIGHT OR YOU WILL BUUUUUUUUUURN
>>36158607(Please note: I call everyone anon because anon is our age, species and gender here on 4chins, whether or not we use a name.)
>>36158141Rourke is a Villain or "Villain" in flux, because he is surrounded by good people, and could easily have his balance tipped toward good as much as evil.Elsa is emphatically NOT evil, just mad with grief and isolation.
>>36158642Fucking fund itWrite the whole song, Anon."Beata MariahYou know I strive for narrativeAnd of that I am justly proud"
>>36158642>>36158685ALL HAIL PONTIFEX IMMORTALIS NOB
>>36157427Here are all the scattered rumors for the others, then.Part 1Ariel—>ded—>The Voiceless Mermaid is a legend beneath the seas. Living in the thrall of the sea witch, this broken and beaten young woman lives in constant fear of her life.Aurora—>still in permasleep>This mythical Princess has long been lost to the world. Supposedly she still lives on, sealed behind the vast briars of the Faerie. Few have seen her prison. Less still have escaped Malificent's evil clutches.Belle—>Gaston’s stepford babymama waifu—>getting revenge on Gaston by getting herself turned into a Beast>after fleeing from the burning and ruined castle of the beast, she wanders deep into the faelands where she meets the enchantress who originally placed the curse upon the beast. Telling her that beast had found love, but died from the foolishness and cruelty of Gaston and the villagers, the Enchantress bestowed upon Belle what she desired most: Revenge. As the green mist envolped her, Belle faded away, and with the twisted laughing of the fae, a new beast emerged.—>Nobody knows what happened to Belle when her love, the Beast, was shot and killed by Gaston. Fanciful stories place her in Australia, seeking revenge against the Hunters but the validity of these stories is unknown.Cinderella—>probably starved under a bridge—>This former serving girl is now a nun in Catholic France. She has been linked to an underground revolutionary movement known as the Glass Slipper but she maintains that she is absolutely loyal to Pope Pierre II.
>>36158737Disney Princess Rumor Mill Part 2Jasmine—>offing Abys Mal and taking his group of bandits as her own and being an eternal thorn in Jafar's side—>sex slave>The unwilling bride of Jafar, Jasmine finds herself locked away in the palace. With her loyal ally, Rajah, driven from the realm and lurking in India, Jasmine is seemingly alone. However, the plucky Princess is plotting an escape disguised as a lowly peasant girl while Rajah attempts to rally the Indian Beasts against the encroaching Caliphate.Merida—>ded—>rebel working to free her people—>Savaged and torn apart by Mor’du, Merida persists as a mystical Wisp and has resolved to lend what help she can to all those who challenge Mor’du.Pocahontas—>ded>in England>ohsnap.jpg—>Slaughtered during Ratcliffe's attack on her tribe, Pocahontas became a matyr for those who resented Ratcliffe's totalitarian rule.Rapunzel>trapped by Gothel and forced to produce eternal life potion or whatnot>is still in her tower, but getting weaker every day and her hair shines less and less.>Rapunzel remains sealed with Gothel’s tower, her magical hair providing eternal life to any willing to pay. She longs for freedom but with the Mirror watching her night and day, she knows there is little hope.Snow White—>better believe she ded>Killed by Queen Grimhilde long before the villain's victories. Rumours persist that a rag tag group of Dwarves have preserved her corpse and desperately search for a way to restore her to life. Dealings with Hades, Lord of the Underworld, are one such avenue of resurrection.Tiana—>not ded>Wedding breaks curse>Good ending with Naveen>fled to Maldonia—>Many are those small beasts who claim to have met a weeping frog in Ratigan’s Under Empire. Supposedly, her lover was taken from her and she was forced to flee her homeland, but the truth of the matter is unknown. Any who approach her find her unwelcoming, lost in her own depression.
Beata MariaYou know I am a rules-light manOf my virtue I am justly proudBeata MariaYou know I'm so much purer thanThe common, vulgar, weak, min-maxing crowdThen tell me, MariaWhy I see them playing thereWhy their complex rules still scorch my soulI feel them, I see themThe fun caught in magic spellsIs blazing in me out of all controlLike fireHellfireThis fire in my skinThis burningDesireIs turning me to sinIt's not my faultI'm not to blameIt is the anons thereThe wizards sent this flameIt's not my faultIf in God's planHe made the magic so muchStronger than a manProtect me, MariaDon't let these siren casts their spellDon't let their rules ruin my perfect gameDestroy all the wizardsAnd let them taste the fires of hellAnd let these rules be mine and mine aloneHellfireDark fireNow wizard, it's your turnChoose me orYour pyreRules-light or you will burnGod have mercy on themGod have mercy on meBut this will be mineOr it will burn!
>>36158685Twisted Threadstarter,You know I am a story manOf my rules-light I am justly proud(Et tibet Knightfag)>>36158834I love it!
>>36158706>>36158685>>36158642>It's not my fault>MEA CULPA>I'm not to blame>MEA CULPA>It is Monte Cook, the douche who sent this flame>MEA MAXIMA CULPA>It's not my fault>MEA CULPA>If in Walt's plan>MEA CULPA>He made the wizard so much stronger than the swordsman>MEA MAXIMA CULPA
>>36158834Change Maria to Dungeon World and we're good.
>>36158858Wrong number of syllables.
>>36158872Like >>36158885 said, the syllable count isn't wrong, but it has its own problem. I just don't think it flows very well if you try saying it instead of Maria in the same places.
>>36158834Thank you based anon
I made this to give an idea of worship. Obviously it's not hard and fast rules but it gives an idea of religious distribution.
Trying to think of how Ghibli fits into this, specifically what would happen if Laputa waged war on the worldbut I'm pretty sure that just leads to nausicaa of the valley of the wind
>>36158930Should differentiate between Voodoo and Demonic for added flavor
>>36158930The white areas of North America should be striped with light green to represent the remaining indigenous populations. Also, I don't think Queen La is Muslim.
>>36158987>indigenous population colorAlso in Australia and the Arctic too.
>>36158737I like the idea of Belle the Beast, if only to give the PCs more allies around the world. Besides, it would fun to fluff and crunch out Belle Beast as an NPC hero, and it gets REALLY fun imagining her like Beast from the X-Men, hulking and monstrous but super eloquent and well read.
>>36159006Oh yeah, the Aborigines are alright. Probably more than happy to go along with the Hunter's Club, given their own tendencies.Goddammit, now I want to make an Aboriginal hunter guy.>>36159023Well, the fates of the various princes and princesses are up to the GM.
>>36159030When I'm done compiling the Hero and Heroine rumor mill (need to go through the fluff still) what should I do with it?
>>36158987>>36159006I sort of figured that Ratcliffe would have utterly removed any trace of native belief in Virginia. I could see it persisting in the Old West though. It should definitely bleed into Elsa's realm a bit.Aboriginals, yeah, and maybe some persistant Incan beliefs in the Hunter's South American territories.
>>36157019PC, Adventurer: I found Urist Grumpydigging dead at the Pregnant Swallows two days ago.Grimhilde Mirrorfetish, queen: It was inevitable.
>>36159050Definitely post it on the 1d4chan page if you'd like. It will be a great resource.>>36159030I agree wholeheartedly that final say as to what happens to the Princes and Princesses in-game ought to be up to the GM's discretion, but its always fun and helpful to work out different options and possibilities even if the GMs aren't obligated to use them.
Threadstarter, are you here?Could you please post this as the new KLR pastebin? It's the updated version.http://pastebin.com/Z8wFJrhh
So how would Ice Anna react if she met Hans? Or if the players decided they wanted to kill Elsa rather than redeem her? Should the players be given a choice between helping Anna and helping Hans, if Hans is involved here?
>>36159242Don't forget about this one.King: Captain Hook - Pixie Dust. Thanks to the captive Tinkerbell, Hook has outfitted himself and his allies with flying ships to best evade the wrath of the sea witch Ursula. With the pirates constantly thinking happy thoughts about pirating as much as they could ever want, the majority of the captains and their crews are capable of individual flight as well, making them formidable foes. (They are, however, prone to depression. Songs about mothers seem to cripple morale).Lands: The Islands and the Cloud Sea. The islands controlled by the pirate alliance are constantly under siege from the sea, and so are largely unused on a day-to-day basis. Shore leave is a joyous occasion for the pirates, though very brief. PCs without flight must risk traversing the seas and catching one of the crews during their brief shore leaves before Ursula catches wind of the party and whips up a storm. The skies are where the pirates reign supreme, however, and any airborne group is a potential target for the loot-hungry pirate fleet. Walking the plank is nearly a mile down to the treacherous seas below.Rule: Good Form. The crews of Hook, Davy Jones and the Pirate Lords abide by the strict laws of the Pirate's Code. The Code dictates everything of piratical life: rules of hierarchy, manners, fashion, engagement, combat etiquette, loot and just about every other aspect of life. The Code is to be strictly adhered to, and the pirates' views on the PCs will relate directly to it. A pirate PC would know the Code by heart, but any other would have to ask around or guess as to whether an question or action would possibly go against the Code. Violating the Code is a serious offense, one that could merit death if severe enough, though the rules can be skirted fairly easily since they're more of guidelines than actual rules.Also hey all, I'm awake again.
>>36158450I like this a lot. It shows that there is something wrong both spiritually and politically in the Archdiocese, in a way that has a lot of promise without height too much for low level characters to handle.
>>36158930I found a problem with your map. It appears to imply that Yzma would allow worship of anything aside from Yzma.
>>36159252The players should ALWAYS be given a choice. They may have even been sent into Adendelle at Hans' behest. It's up to the characters and the players to decide what the best course of action is in dealing with the Snow Queen given the information they learn from Hans, from their own investigation and from what Ice Anna tells them.I feel if Hans met Ice Anna, he would probably be taken aback momentarily by the thought that Elsa had raised an "abomination" before attempting to shatter her. Which might not work out too well for him seeing as she's made of magical ice with only a hazy understanding of human mortality. Ice Anna herself would probably just be thrilled to meet someone new who also knew the Old Anna.
>>36159378What if she knew that he killed the old Anna? And was also the one responsible for Elsa being the way she is?
>>36159410This hypothetical meeting makes me want to try and stat Ice Anna out as an NPC hero in the same way Mulan the Undying was statted out in a precious thread.I think that as a REALLY sophisticated construct wrought from intense emotion and the body of a dead Princess, Ice Anna might have some access to the same frost magic that her "sister" has, albeit much less powerful and perhaps comically inept. At the very least she'd be able to keep herself from melting away, and at most? Perhaps some sort of freeze-on-touch and ice-bolt abilities.Fulffwise... What Ice Anna would actually do if she had the knowledge of Hans' actions is a good question. I feel like she would probably ask a lot of questions, innocently and confusedly at first, starting off referring to "The Queen" and "Princess Anna." The more answers she got the more confused and upset she would become, transitioning to saying "Elsa" and "Anna" before finally becoming distraught and desperate and using the word "my sister" and "me," maybe not outright attacking Hans but trying to hold on to him or go to him seeking more answers to the questions that are hurting her.
>>36159410The answer is probably 'not very happy.'
>>36158627I must not have had the most recent edits. Thanks for looking it over though!
>>36158551The madness continues....Harold the Herald>Velociraptor Charismatic GuyRobustness 4Agility 10Intelligence 9Sensibility 9Charisma 12>SkillsPersuasion 4Deceit 3Insight 3Brawl 3Prevent Harm 3Travel 3Endure 3Music 3Academics 3Linguistics 3>Powers:- Fastest Thief: Spend a Will point for +10 on any Acrobatics or Athletics roll- I'm Not Very Nutritious: +5 to all Persuasion and Deceit checks to avoid being eaten.>Traits- Etiquette: Gains a +3 to social situations among the nobility.- Refined: +3 to Academics related to art and culture.- Time for Panic: +5 to any roll used to escape a dangerous situation while on one Strike or no StrikesIdeals- Try not to get eaten- Life is short, eat dessert first.- Always watch your back.Goals- Don't get eaten.- Secure a long term means of not getting eaten.- Enjoy life now that you don't have to worry about being eaten.
>>36159629Random thought. So you need the original body to bring a Soul from Hades back to life, right?What would happen if you crammed Anna's soul into Ice Anna? Is it still intact enough to be used? If it is, what about the fact that there's already somebody using it?
>>36159629Would she end up fighting the PCs if they try to fight Elsa? Hell, would SHE fight Elsa, if she thinks it'd put her out of her misery? Maybe Elsa worries that she will, and might be tempted to use her powers to assert complete dominance over Ice Anna's will. I could see her resisting that temptation, and probably going "what the fuck have I done" if she actually did it, but it might work for making her a little more morally grey.Arendelle: The Land of Depressing Moral Dilemmas.
>>36159709>Arendelle: The Land of Depressing Moral Dilemmas.That about sums it upOf course, we kind of start rulling out the usual disney way of Power of Love/Friendship just solving the mental scars OH WELL
>>36159683That's a question best suited to Hades, and you'd better be prepared to trade your nuts for something that could unfreeze the north third of Europe.
>>36156847Burnum PurunguAustralian AboriginalMedium Human Sensible Guy-Attributes-Robustness: 7/12Agility: 8/12Intelligence: 8/12Sensibility: 10/12Charm: 7/12-Skills-Acrobatics: 3Athletics: 3Melee: 3Ranged: 3Prevent Harm: 3Endure: 3Stealth: 3Travel: 4Insight 4 (1 from Sensible Guy)Traits:-Line-Singer: +4 to travel in previously-visited areas-Big Game Hunter-Paint With All The Colours of The WindPowers:-Shaman-Pierce the TruthGoals-Bag me a big'un-Bag me a beast-king-Bag me a god!Ideals-Pay your respects-Always be wary-Dreams are worth more than you think
>>36159755Rule number one of Disney is that the power of Love, and occasionally friendship, can best ANYTHING.
>>36159755>>36159785Well, can power, love and friendship prevail in a world where Cherno Alpha exists? Maybe it's him that's preventing the standard Laws of Disney from taking effect. With him around, the world becomes a little worse. Heroes aren't as lucky, people don't miraculously survive things that will kill you 99% of the time, and friendship won't let you overcome absolutely everything. I like the sound of that - our BBEG is so evil and powerful, the entire universe is objectively worse just because he exists.
>>36159683I really don't know how this scenario would play out. I believe but am not entirely sure that the current line of thought is that the process that made Ice Anna transformed her from a frozen flesh and blood body into a construct of pure blue and white ice.
>>36159819>Chernyroberson makes the Power of Love/Friendship uselessTHAT FUCKER IS TRULY THE ANTI-DISNEY
>>36159832That makes a lot more sense. Otherwise, Ice Anna would be pretty terrifying. Imagine an inanimate corpse being dragged around like a puppet by the ice that coats it.
>>36159875Not totally useless, because then it's just shitty musical DnD. Just not all-powerful.
>>36159819Wait.....Does that mean that he sucked all the supernatural Power of Love/Friendship from our world before moving on to Disney? Did sucking out our power give him enough strenght to kill God in that setting??DID WE ALLOW OR CAUSE IT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE THIS TABLETOP?!
>>36159897Yeah, Ice Anna isn't a corpse. Shes a statue made of ice formally known as the artist Anna
Hey everyone, just reposting the latest official map, no changes have been made since yesterday.
>>36159819Makes sense, since he killed God.
>>36159785>>36159755>>36159709I believe that LOVE AND FRIENDSHIP are probably the recipe for Arendelle's best case scenario, and that players and characters that choose this option ought to feel rewarded for having not just beaten the Snow Queen but having healed her as well. That being said, I can see three possible endings for Ice Anna in my head already: Bad, Bittersweet, and Good:>Bad>Elsa the Snow Queen is attacked by the party or is completely unmoved by their overtures of friendship, and does battle with them, bringing her full power and all her madness and grief to bear against them. As they fight, Ice Anna is stuck on the sidelines, desperately trying to stop them from fighting, and just before the killing blow is struck by either side, she leaps between them in an attempt to stop the battle. Ice Anna is struck, shattering into a thousand pieces, causing the Snow Queen to scream "SISTER!" and immediate stop fighting, dropping to her knees before Ice Anna's deliriously smiling and quickly fracturing head. "You called me sister..." She says before falling to pieces, leaving the once terrible Snow Queen a sobbing wreck, unable to do anything else to stop the party in their task.
>>36160126Why would you make me feel this pain, anon.
>>36160126>As Ice Anna cracks away, Elsa wails in absolute despair as the storm rages more and more>The PCs can't even stand up or do anything anymore; they are trapped in a hurricane of ice and grief, the wind carrying Elsa's cries everywhere>Until it suddenly....Stops.>The PCs slowly crawl out of the snow to look at what happened, and then they see>Glinting in the light, kneeled in the snow, lies the frozen form of Elsa. Her face is buried in her hands, and her whole body simply....Froze in place.>She will never hurt anyone again. But even as they leave the statue behind, they can hear in the snow and the wind, the soft sobs of the Crying Queen
>>36159819What ifGuysWhat if cherno is so powerful in this universe because he comprehended the power of love and friendship
>>36160126>>36160236You'd better get to posting the Good ending soon, I gotta get these feels off of me.
>>36160126>Bittersweet>Elsa, the Ice Queen, is not entirely convinced by the party's negotiation techniques, and may as before begin to fight the adventurers in her throne room, with the party and Ice Anna working together to try and get the frosty monarch to see that things can still get better and that she is not a bad person at heart and can still do what's right, even if it won't fix all the problems she's caused all at once. Through the impassioned speech of the party leader and the heartfelt encouragement of Ice Anna, Snow Queen Elsa finally manages to wrestle control of her powers once again, causing the blizzard to break and summer to return in full force. Seeming relieved and in so tired after it's all over, both the party and Snow Queen Elsa turn and look for Ice Anna to congratulate her in her help. They find her, settled down peacefully by the open window, a balmy breeze blowing in. She has thawed out and once more is no more and no less than the flesh and blood body of Princess Anna, but she is smiling and looks happy in her rest at long last.
>>36160270Wait a minute.He comprehended the idea of love and friendship...and he was still evil....My god.
>>36160317Perhaps... he's got friends on the other side.
>>36160317>Charnabog isn't only the reason Love and Friendship have lost so much power>He is, in fact, the true master of both>And he disregarded their powers like one would an used napkin
Hey, hey guys.What is instead of trying to fight or banish cerny bing bongWe explode Bald Mountain? Make it erupt. Shove some magic in that bitch and watch it go boom.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1YcJkYBAxQ
Is Scar still running the pridelands like he was when he was in power in the movies? Because really, that shit was not sustainable. Heroes or no, he'd end up ruling over a wasteland then eaten by his hyenas regardless. Unless he worked something else out for food, I guess?Also, Gaston needs to have some darker dealings than just being the local violent meathead.
>>36159339It's quite a problem, yes.
Gotta run to work, I'll be back later tonight to add the fluff to the catalogue.
>>36157394>care he needs>In 1700's France
>>36160444>Ring a lot of bells to make Chernicho weaker and unable to bend too much reality with his magic>Banish Cherno Chrono into space by causing a giantic explosion using genies, an outrageous ammount of Holy Fire and balls-to-the-wal luck>As he is launched away, Cherningo shouts into the night>"WAS THIS ALL PART OF YOUR PLAN, WALT?!"You might be on to something
>>36160447>Unless he worked something else out for food, I guess?Domestication and slavery of the smaller herbivores and omnivores. For example, humans.
I swear, ONE more character, and then I'm going to start working away at real-world shit.A note to whomever runs the traits pastebins: the 'Cree' trait should actually be 'Half-blood'.
>>36160281>Good>There is no battle, no flinging of frost and arrows, no clashing of ice and steel. The party, along with Ice Anna, confront Queen Elsa not as enemies but as people who care and who understand the pain and the guilt the young monarch has suffered alone with for so long. They speak to her not as a squad of would be conquerors but as a group of new friends, as well as two very old, if peculiar friends. Ever so slowly, the fears stop falling from Queen Elsa's eyes, and she can bear to face these people, can bear to face Ice Anna, and can bear to face herself. Ever so slowly, the wind stops howling outside, and the great blizzard dissipates, leaving only sunny skies and quickly thawing snow outside. Rushing to the throne room's balcony the party sees that not only has Arendelle begun to thaw, but so has its people. All those flash frozen in the streets far below have begun to revive, as life and spring return. The party knows their job is done, but tell Queen Elsa that they need her to come with them, to bring her power and her might and her heart to help defeat The Lord of Bald Mountain. To this she agrees, though reluctantly, determined to go out and do good in the world to help make up for her mistakes of the past. She smiles to herself at the idea, mistakes off he past, and calls Ice Anna and Olaf out into the balcony as well, conjuring snow squalls above their heads to keep them frozen in the growing heat. Smiling to Ice Anna in a painfully shy way, she tells the construct that, while she is away adventuring, she is going to need someone to help the people of Arendelle recover and rule in her place. She says that the people of Arendelle could use a kind and familiar face on the throne, even if that face does belong now to a new friend.
Hey guys, you know the thing about Belle possibly having moved to France?Can she be at least partially a Beast anyway? Like, maybe a werebeast?
>>36160533That would require forethought, and not immediately eating all resources available outright. Which is not out of the question or even out of character, but it sure as hell isn't what he did in the movies. Maybe he got some brains to help him out with planning? That or he has a policy of ever encroaching on others territory in order to feed his subjects. Maybe both.
>>36160581Up to the DM of the game.
>>36160579You know, in this case the bittersweet ending is actually the best ending for Anna. If you can keep the body fresh long enough you could mount a raid to the underworld and get her soul back into it, after all.
So, if Cinderella is leading a resistance as seems to be the general idea, then should we go into more detail on how that works? For such a famous character, we really haven't gone into detail about her backstory.
>>36160581>>36160606Though it is up to the DM's final call, if you want to stat Beast Belle up or write some fluff, go ahead on! I'd love to see it.
>>36160619The best for Anna maybe, but Ice Anna is fine forever, and even getting Anna's soul back isn't a sure thing, even if she is in Hades' Underworld.
>>36160581*moved to Paris
>>36156877If she hadn't stolen Stephan's ruby and thrown it in the river, he wouldn't have had to work in the castle in the first place.She's a cunt in either version.
What's our rules on various firearms? I assumed pistols would be +1 and longarms would be +2 like one handed and two handed melee weapons, but then greatswords are only +3 while shotguns are +6, even though they have the same Robustness requirements. Do shotguns have a higher bonus than greatswords because you wield a greatsword with Robustness anyways, or do guns just give higher bonuses than their melee counterparts?
>>36160864>Do shotguns have a higher bonus than greatswords because you wield a greatsword with Robustness anywaysYes, exactly, but you can also explain it by saying that a shotgun is a far more advanced weapon that a great sword.But balance wise, it's totally because you need Agility to use a Shotgun, while in Disney movies Shotguns are for people like Gaston.
Should we put the capitals on the map?
>>36160864In general, shotguns aside, firearms should juyst be considered to be very good weapons.Guns, this way, would give a +2, while Riffles would give a +3.Shotguns are just over the top weapons.
>>36160932We'd have to settle where they are, first. Places like Atlantis would be particularly problematic.
>>36158403he is the official villain in the film, get over it
Yo, have we got a one-stop chargen page yet?
>>36161016You've got a 6 in every Attribute and 10 points to spread around. You can't go higher than 12.You've got a +0 in every Skill and 10 points to spread around. First point raises a Skill to +3, each following point raises it by one. You can't go higher than +6.You have 3 Will Points.You pick a Race and get its bonuses.You pick a Basic Role and get its bonuses. Pick a Power from that Role's list.You get 3 Traits. You can pick them from the Generic Traits List or from some other Traits List open only to your Race or Role.You get one extra Power. You can pick it from the Generic Powers List or from your Role's Powers List.Your starting equipment is up to the GM, I guess. It really depends from campaign to campaign.
>>36161153Oh, and you Speed is equal to your ROBUSTNESS! + your Agility.Nimble Guys get a bonus to it. I guess there are Races that get you a Speed Bonus as well, but I didn't pay attention to those so I can't really tell.
>>36161016I could make a quick char sheet-------Starting Character Sheet---------Name:Role:Country of Origin:Size:Species:---Attributes---Robustness: /12Agility: /12Intelligence: /12Sensibility: /12Charisma: /12Will: /12---Skills---Acrobatics:Athletics: Melee: Ranged: Brawl: Prevent Harm: Endure: Stealth: Legerdemain:Deceive: Persuasion:Intimidate: Academics:Science : Occult: Mechanics: Linguistics: Travel:Driving: Insight: Music: Craft: ---Traits------Powers------Ideals------Goals---Zero:On-a-Roll:Hero:
>>36161201>>36161153>>36161172Thanks, you guys are the best.
>>36161235No kidding. I was struggling to patch together my last test character from a bunch of different resources. Thank you!
>>36161279Here you have the Rules pastebin.http://pastebin.com/PRgqe3pFI never put Tiers, Goals and Ideals in it because I never worked on them, but the point is: pick three Ideals and three Goals for you character.Here you have the Races, Traits and Powers pastebins.http://pastebin.com/ZNVPBJWjhttp://pastebin.com/uHCXg4EVhttp://pastebin.com/MZwvGsyXhttp://pastebin.com/8RRbwMQThttp://pastebin.com/pQDDqisU
>>36160581>You are a member of the Elite Global Hunstmen's Club.>You are tasked by Gaston himself to go to the Grand Archdiocese and hunt down the Beast that gave him those wicked scars across his manly face.>The way he talks about the creature confuses you, treating his pursuit of it almost like a courtship and the attack that had disfigured him almost like a man being spurned for his advances.>You are too intimidated to ask why he doesn't hunt the Beast down himself.
Why does NO ONE know that you take TWO goals for on a roll and TWO goals for hero. YOU HAVE FIVE FUCKING GOALS NOT THREE GOD DAMN
>>36161683But don't you get those new Ideals after you reach the new Tier? I'm pretty sure you begin with three Goals.
Bruce "Dances With Antelope" Smith>Human Sensible GuyRobustness 8Agility 8Intelligence 7Sensibility 10Charisma 7>SkillsInsight 4Athletics 3Melee 3 (4 with Hunting Knife)Ranged 3 (6 with Rifle)Prevent Harm 3 (4 with Buckskin)Endure 3Persuasion 3Travel 3Linguistics 3Stealth 3>Powers- Quick Draw King: You may always make one attack in the surprise round, and never suffer penalties in the surprise round.- Protector: If an ally has suffered a combat Strike in a battle, you can choose to defend and fight alongside that character. Both characters gain +4 to combat while fighting together>Traits:- Half-Blood: With a foot in both worlds, you are equally comfortable among both your parent's ethnic groups. Because you can pass for either, you never suffer from racial discrimination so long as you assume the racial identity that will not be discriminated against at the time.- That's Why He Asks You How: There are many, many tribes out there, but you know all their customs and what dumb questions you shouldn't ask; they tend to appreciate this. +3 to social skills with any Injun leader.- Paint With All The Colors of The Wind: +4 to survival-based Travel so long as you always show the natural world its due respect.Ideals- Most bloodshed is pointless.- Who your parents are doesn't determine who you are.- The son should not be punished for the sins of the father.Goals- Stop the Red Men from fighting each other.- Stop the White Men from fighting each other.- Stop the Red Men and the White Men from fighting each other.Equipment- Rifle: +3 Ranged- Hunting Knife: +1 Melee- Buckskin: +1 Prevent Harm- Trusty Steed: Halves travel time.Written as a Wild West character, but could work for Virginia too.And now I'm checking out.
>>36161776Yes, exactly. So FIVE GOALS
>>36161818But I thought the point of this is that you'd start with 3 and the other 2 would arise during gameplay.
>>36161846Yeah, you have three starting goals and gain two as your character adventures and realises other things they need to do.
>>36161818Five Goals when you get to Hero Tier. We just explained character creation rules here.>>36161809Beautiful. A great character and a truly perfect use of the Rules.You're a good man, Knightfag.
>>36161846>>36161862Exactly: three Goals in the beginning.Honestly, starting with 5 Goals would be too fucking much: you'd basically have to plan your character's entire history since the beginning, instead of letting it grow naturally during the game.
>>36161683>>36161818See? Calm you tits, bro, we got this.
>>36161682>You procure transportation to the Grand Archdiocese and trek alone, as is your way, through the French countryside, tracking the Beast.>At least a few peasants in every little village and hamlet you pass through seem to have some sort of story or other about the Beast you hunt, which is encouraging news.>The stories of dangerous beasts of the forests like bears and wolves and more Eldritch things from the Briarwoods being ripped to shreds are interesting.>The stories of gifts being left on the doorsteps of poor families and destitute farmers, mostly enchanted antiques and well-read books are rather puzzling.>The stories of stranded hunters and lost children being rescued from certain death in the deep woods by a great and mysterious She-Beast are completely unbelievable.>You hunt on.
>>36162065I like the concept of beginning as mooks of the area's villain until you realize all the propaganda you've been fed is a load of bullshit and assume the role of rebel hero.
>>36161201Name: Tlacel YolotliRole: Big GuyCountry of Origin: EldoradoSize: MediumSpecies: Human--Attributes--Robustness: 10/12Agility: 8/12Intelligence: 7/12Sensibility: 7/12Charisma: 8/12Will: 3--Skills--Athletics: 4Brawl: 3Melee: 5Endure: 3Insight: 3Occult: 3Withstand: 5--Traits--Not On My Watch!: +2 on (ranged/melee, choice of) when fighting those that would hurt the innocent.But It Is Not This Day!: Can make speeches to render the party immune to fear.Chivalry: +2 to all social rolls so long as you follow the warrior code of your culture.(We really need some traits for Tzekel-Kan)--Powers--Zealous Champion: Pick a cause. You cannot be dissuaded from your cause by Illusions or social skills unless the other party spends a Will point.By The Power of The Sun!: As long as you are natural sunlight, you may spend a Will point to add +3 to all Melee and Ranged rolls for a round, +4 if you're fighting an opponent vulnerable to fire.--Ideals--It is the duty of the strong to protect the weak.The gods are always watching you, act accordingly.Sometimes justice requires sacrifices.--Goals--Get the hell out of Eldorado and find help for your quest.Refound the Order of the Eagle Warriors.Take Tzekel-Kan to justice for his crimes and blasphemous practices.--Equipment--Spear (one-handed weapon)Buckler (small bonus to Withstand?)Copper Scale Cuirass (light armor, decorative feathers optional)Fancy eagle-head helmetMy crappy attempt at a mesoamerican paladin. Make of it what you will.
>>36161809Very, very well done! This is a good character by any game's standards.
>>36162263Zealous champion sounds more like a trait than a power, it's completely passive once you pick your cause.Aside from that though, it looks good.
>>36162255A big part of the PC's origin stories can be this great realization that what they've believed may not be True or Right, like discovering that the She-Beast you're hunting is more noble than the man who tasked you to hunt her.
>>36161809>those skillsThis isn't a starting PC, right ? Cause your skills are like three or four times as high as allowed.
>>36162523First point you put into any skill raises it to +3. Point after that only raise that skill by +1. Put two points into Drive and you'll get +4. He gets a free insight point from being a Sensible Guy.
>>36162523God damn it.The first time you take a Skill, that Skill goes from +0 to +3. Every point after that raises it by 1.Every skill you buy should be at least 3. Then 4, then 5, then 6.
>>36158834>>36158852God damn it guys, I come back and see that somebody has turned me into Frollo.I approve.>>36160444REMOVE MAGICChallenging him to a rock-off is better.>>36160864I don't know, I was just writing down what people said. Generally, I would say that bonus only applies if you're shooting at point-blank range, and decreases by 1 for every five meters.>>36161374Or you could go to the 1d4chan page, painstakingly updated for character creation. >>36162263Keep in mind you can make up your own traits, m8. Still; good. Zealous Champion is strong but villains still have a means to overcome it so it's fine.>>36162581no.no no no no no nowe are not having this argument againEVERY SKILL GOES FROM ONE TO SIX. THE BONUS YOU GET FROM THE SKILL JUST HAPPENS TO BE +3 AT LEVEL ONE. LET ME USE AN EXAMPLE FROM THE FORBIDDEN GAME; PATHFINDER GIVES YOU A +3 MISCELLANEOUS BONUS TO A SKILL THE FIRST TIME YOU PUT A POINT IN IT.THERE, HOW MANY TIMES AM I GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS?Genies and faeries will be in my next post.
>>36162579>>36162581Oh, ok. Should have paid more attention to the rules
Name: Boxin' LazarusRole: Sensible GuyCountry of Origin: OlympiaSize: MediumSpecies: Human"Cunning is to know when to strike your foe, wisdom is to have him share his wine before the match."---Attributes---Robustness: 11/12Agility: /12Intelligence: 7/12Sensibility: 11/12Charisma: 5/12Will: 7/12---Skills---Acrobatics:Athletics: Melee: Ranged: Brawl: 4 (5)Prevent Harm: 3 Endure: 4Stealth: Legerdemain:Deceive: Persuasion: 3Intimidate: Academics: 3Science : Occult: Mechanics: Linguistics: Travel: 3Driving: Insight: 4 (5) Music: Craft: ---Traits---The Rum is Never Gone: Being a pirateis a hard lifestyle, oftentimes needing a hard drink to make it a little more tolerable. A Man or Woman of the Sea is able at any moment to find or produce from their person a flask or bottle of alcohol upon need.Whispers of Tartarus: In Hades' realm, the lands of the living and the dead intermingle oddly. If you tilt your ear just right, you can hear the mutters of the long dead- and if you pitch your voice just right, you can ask them questions. Bonus to Occult and Academics.Hakuna Matataa!: +2 to resist on any sort of mental distress---Powers---Iron Liver: This character can drink one dose of any liquid with no effect, good or badComforts of Philosophy: This character is well versed in Philosophy, and can outwit any arguement. He gains a +4 to resist Sensibility or Charm attacks---Ideals---Self Sufficiency: Lazarus regards self sufficiency to be the highest ideal, and despises bonds or debts (official or otherwise)Virtue is its own reward: Lazarus strives to his ideals of Strength, Wisdom and StraightforwardnessMy Favorite Wine is Someone Elses: Lazarus enjoys feasting and drinking with friends---Goals---Zero: Become completely self sufficientOn-a-Roll: Release each stranger he meets from their debtSteal a goblet of nectarHero:Free the gods from TartarusBeat Hades in a boxing matchEquipmentCesti (+1 to Brawl)
>>36162644>genies and faeries will be my next postYeah we all know that your next post is gonna be more wizard and magic hate, so don't lie.
>>36162644Okay, shove some Atlantean technology in the volcano. There, is your autism calmed down now?
>>36162644>THERE, HOW MANY TIMES AM I GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS?A lot of times, because it's retarded and you're the only one thart wants that.Why should we use an idiotic mechanic from Pathfinder when we can just put the +2 directly into the Skill?The Skills go from +0 to +3. Done. No need to write 1 into the character sheet and then remember to add +2 every time you use it.
>>36162669Retooling Lazarus to fit the proper format Someone make a game I just want to punch something [/spoiler
>>36162644How come you're okay with magic when it's crazy atlantean technology but not with magic when we call it magic?
>>36162644>PATHFINDER GIVES YOU A +3Who cares about Pathfinder?>>36162688I also think we should just go from 0 to 3. Easier to remember
>>36162644>Nob recommending we use features from Pathfinder, after 90% of his points against anything magical are "B-b-but Pathfinder magic is bad!"Both ironic and hypocritical.
>>36162644>I would say that bonus only applies if you're shooting at point-blank range, and decreases by 1 for every five meters.Like hell I'm gonna use that: first you're all autistic about keeping it rules-light, then you want me to "decreas a bonus by 1 for every five meters"?
>>36162644Cool your autism, namefag, we were doing great without you here. Go back to burning a Harry Potter book.
>>36162688If we do that, we'll have to change the math to skills going from 0 to 8 instead to keep the TN balanced and by extension traits and powers. Feel free, but keep in mind that means that it makes things need to be edited heavily. Go for it, remember to edit the tiers to have skill cap go from 6 to 7 instead of 4 to 5, etc.>>36162682Why would I hate Atlantean technology? >>36162730Because crazy Atlantean technology doesn't break games in half over it's knee like magic does in 80% of the games it's in.>>36162757Hey, we came up with it back in thread 6. It's a long-runner.>>36162767Christ almighty, you're like vultures. I just made that up in 10 seconds, I'm sure you have a better suggestion for how to balance shotguns.>>36162794No.anyway, back to business:Genies:GenieSize Medium (But usually larger than equivalent humans)Traits:Genie magicks!: Manipulate 1kg of living matter as you see fit. This requires one minute to actually operate, and has no offensive capabilities. This translates to a +2 bonus to Craft if you use it for anything other than comedic relief.Attribute Bonuses: +2 Robustness.Faeries:Size TinyFaith, trust, and faerie dust: +3 to Acrobatics and Athletics while not under any sort of pressure other than the task at hand.+2 to AgilityNot sure if they should be mute or not -- tinkerbell is, but the fae in sleeping beauty aren't.
>>36156847planning on making a character right now, which is the most underused class?
>>36162794He's been here before, you know. He's one of the founding members.Then again, we have been taking a lot of what he says as granted. Nob, respectable you may be, but anonymous is the leader of this project. We lead the namefags, not the other way round.>>36162806And in the other games, they just don't call it magic. There isn't some supernatural curse on the concept of magic that makes it unbalance absolutely everything.
>>36162757To be fair, pathfinder magic and skills are entirely separate. He wasn't even promoting it either, just making a comparison. Be fractionally less mad, man.
>>36162815Smart Guy, I think.
>>36162806>If we do that, we'll have to change the mathNob, for the love of God, it's the exact same thing, nothing changes: we are just calling it>3, 4, 5 and 6.instead of>1 + 2; 2 + 2, 3 + 2 and 4 + 2.It's just so that the number you have written on you sheet is the number you add to you rolls, without having to remember an extra bonus.With Drive: 1, you have to had 1 and then 2.With Drive: 3 you had +3.
>>36162821>He's been here beforeAnd he sucked since day one.>NO WIZARDS, LEL I'M SU FUNNY, HUEHUEHUEHUEFuck this namefag, he's just holding us back.>>36162806>Hey, we came up with it back in thread 6.We nothing, I remember it wasn't you who made that rule. You have never done anything but complain and fuck shit around. Stop acting like you're some kind of 4chan superstar, mister "thanks page"
>>36162867>you have to hadYou mean add, right?
>>36162934Wizards are used exclusively for support roles or villainous roles Disney. They're never the main character nor are they ever the ones who save the world.
>>36162065>You've met a peculiar ally in your last foray into town, one of those irritating fairy folk with the silly names like Ginny-Rummy or Margherita.>You'd never before seen a fat fairy before but this one is threatening to strain your stock-resting shoulder if she continues sitting there much longer.>She claims to know where the She-Beast, the name you've come to hear it referred to as most often, makes its lair, and is willing to lead you there for access to the flask you keep in your bandolier.>You hate the waste Muntz' good old brandy on the bottle fairy, but you fear you may be reaching the limits of your tracking skills without her assistance.>You make the bargain and, after drinking more deeply from your flask than you would have thought possible, the pudgy pixie directs you onward.>The hunt continues.
>>36162934No bully plz.Also, fuck you: Nob is a cool namefag and he made a shitload of Traits and Species. Maybe YOU should calm down a bit, son.. . . of course, I also wish he would stop changing the PERFECT way I explain the Skill system.>>36162965Shit, yeah, add.>With Drive: 1 you have to add 1 and then 2.>With Drive 3 you just add +3.Thanks.
>>36162867Well then, let's just do it if it's that easy to change.I've got no particular care for the mechanic.
>>36162644Fuuuuck, this guy again. Go away, Anti-Mage, we don't want you here.
>>36162995Which is exactly why, in our discussions on magic, we concluded that spells, or technology or alchemy (we might give players a choice), should be mostly support abilities. Setting an ally's sword on fire, brewing potions the whole party can use, creating force fields using Atlantean tech to protect your bros, channel an ancient spirit to give strength to your friends, that kind of thing. This is why some systems make magic a game-breaker: They don't know what wizards are supposed to do. They just let them teleport and throw fireballs and do whatever they want. We have a role for Sages. We have a purpose for magic/tech/alchemy/spirit channelling. They're there to make everyone else better. And most importantly, we know OUR magic is not PATHFINDER'S magic, and SOME PEOPLE should stop assuming it is.
>>36163086Except given a micrometer, the bastards known as wizards will take an astronomical unit. NO QUARTER! Burn the witch! Punish the wizard! Purge the unclean!
>>36163086I like it. Let's start statting up some wizards.
>>36163073What kind of mage do you support a OC using?If you say anything remotely similar to towing fireballs, teleporting, stopping time, flying at will, etc. , your opinion is disregarded because that is the only kind of magic user Nob disapproves of.
>>36163086What character aspect should incorporate magic? Powers, skills, traits ... ?If anyone has the skill, they should consider making a model magical character. There was a genie a thread or two ago that wasn't horrible, but needed improvement.
>>36162263Yep, I should probably make Zealous Champion a trait instead of But It Is Not This Day!. How's this for a replacement power?>Pick On Someone Your Own Size (or Bigger, Like Me): When an ally is physically attacked by an opponent you can spend a Will point to either A) take a move toward him and attempt to Withstand the attack in his place or B) take a move toward the attacker and (if in range) make a Melee roll against him.
>>36163086Then make some powers for it that emulate magic. It shouldn't fit under traits, those bonuses are too good for +2 or whatever. You need to keep it under tight control though, want to avoid magic buffs running rampant as the only real means to support.Do we have a skill for alchemy yet, or does that fit under Science/Occult/Craft?Anyway; game mastery.Mooks: Mooks is a generic term for enemies the player characters will encounter that aren't generally important enough to have their own name or even last out the encounter. Mooks are defeated on receiving even a single Strike, and generally have a 7 in every statistic. They tend to only have 3 in any skill unless they're highly skilled, in which case it may be 4. Use liberally -- it makes the players feel powerful to run over crowds of Mooks. Villains should have at least a handful at all times!>>36163181The Genie was something I came up with on the fly. Any suggestions are appreciated, at the moment all I have is minor magicks for released Genies.
>>36163154Oh, for fuck's sake, will you stop it with this "LE ANTI-WIZURD INKWISISHUN ECKS DEE DEE" ebin may-may. It's not funny, it's not clever and it's holding back the project.>>36163163>>36163181I was thinking we give the Sage class abilities at level 1 like being able to detect if an enemy is lying, or giving a friendly character they touch +1 defense.By the way, a mechanic I've thought of to go with the Strikes system:>Second Wind: By calling on their own determination, their devotion to their friends or some other source of energy, a character can roll 3d6 to regain 1 strike. More than 9 means that a strike is regained. Second Wind can be used (X) times per day.If this is implemented, Sages might get a healing spell at level 1 that gives a bonus to Second Wind or an extra usage. Wouldn't directly restore a strike, since I think we should save those powers for later, but it'd help.
>>36163220Also, Mooks don't roll to avoid attacks: they just add 3 to their Attribute + Skill.This means the TN you need to reach to hit a mook is usually 13.I think it's a nice TN, since it means a skilled hero can automatically hit a mook, but maybe we should upp it a bit. Maybe they could add 6?Still, they shouldn't roll: it's too much work for they GM if every mook is rolling to avoid being hit and there's dozens of them.What do you guys think?
>>36163298>I was thinking we give the Sage class abilities at level 1 like being able to detect if an enemy is lyingThat's rather impeding on the niche of the sensible guy.
>>36163220>>36163321Sounds good for me.
>>36163298If you want, I can detail some games that are completely imbalanced by the presence of magician characters or equivalent.>>3616332117 would be a better TN to hit a mook. 20 is the average for attribute+skill+roll, but it's a bit too high for a starting character to reliably hit.
>>36163338Hmm, good point. Maybe he gives the ability to somebody else?I don't want magic to JUST be "Make somebody else better", though. Then Sages would be no fun to play.>>36163358I've played Pathfinder, thanks.
>>36163321A small squad of mooks should be easy for a party of 3-5 to take out, but yeah 13 seems rather low. It should still be possible for a mook to actually hit a PC without extraordinary luck.
>>36163338Boy, do I agree: that's totally a Sensible Guy thing.>>36163358Yeah, 20 it's just too high for a simple mook: Player Characters should be able to hit them a lot more reliably.Since an average Player Character is going to have at least 10 in his main Attribute and +3 in the Skill he uses to deal Strikes, that means he can't go lower than 16.Let's say 18? So, Attribute + Skill + 8? It would mean mooks always roll lower than average, but not too much. Sounds fitting for a mook.
>>36163298No. Specifically because fuck you and fuck magic.
>>36163387A magic user could do something like produce a flash of light in front of an enemy's eyes to force them to take a -2 on prevent harm checks for the next round or something.
>>36163298>Second WindD&D fags go home.
>>36163444I've acknowledged that it's a bad idea to give that ability. Idea withdrawn.Still, what about the other suggestions? I'm particularly interested in peoples' opinions on Second Wind.>>36163462Okay, from now on I'm just going to ignore people who hate magic due to it being magic. We're in a Disney esetting. There's magic. Deal with it.>>36163470I like that idea. We should make that a thing.
>>36163482>I'm particularly interested in peoples' opinions on Second Wind.It sucks. D&D fag go away
>>36163481>A thing has the same name as another thing, therefore it's a thingIf you meet a man called Adolf, will you accuse him of killing 6 million people?>>36163499And you're not even pretending not to samefag. Okay then. Troll acknowledged. Good job.
>>36163444Mooks roll +8 to Strike on 3d6? Sounds good to me, it should be below the average person's Prevent Harm score. Their Defense (pre-rolled Prevent Harm) should also be 18.>>36163470Something like that, sure. Just... keep it in check, okay?>>36163482There is magic.It's usually evil.This is a setting in which the villains won.Magic is usually evil in this universe. Moreover, most characters are the heroes, not the fairy godmother or stern teacher type that usually has magic.>>36163515Mate, Second Wind is already really, really edging in on the Science skill's utility. Why does it need to exist?
>>36163481>>36163499Put you name back on, Nobody.
>>36156847Saw this a few days a go, I really am impressed with all you guys have gotten done.I want to make a character but I'm uncreative as fuck, anybody have suggestions?
>>36163551>2 posts within 40 seconds of each otherTotally me.
>>36163538What does the Science skill do again? Haven't really seen it. And it's mostly so everyone gets the chance to heal up during a particularly tough fight even if there's nobody with healing abilities in the party. Not to mention I thought being able to recover by reminding yourself of your friends and what you were fighting for definitely qualified as Disney As Fuck™.
>>36163482I would also like for magic users to mainly have utility spells. Spells for combat should be very sparse, even at hero level.Example: producing light from a smooth river stone for a couple hours, but after the spell wears off, the river stone crumbles.Another example: Creating a bubble of breathable air around the head of one person in order to foil noxious gas or underwater areas. Higher level versions of this spell would grant a longer duration and the ability to cast it on the whole party at once.
>>36163565A former member of the Catholic Inquisition - possibly a novice.
>>36163565Saxophone playing alligator. Faerie pugilist. Trader from the Shadowlands who's cut off more than he can chew with the Friends. Sharpshooter from the Hunters Club who thinks the sport should be noble.>>36163582Science skill is detailed in full on 1d4chan, but basically you test Science against TN20 to remove one strike from an ally over a couple seconds.>>36163597>light from a river stonethis has the problem that the Light spell did in WHFRPG; It literally destroys the stone. Cast it on a stone wall and it crumbles after a few hours.>Creating a bubble of air: Clever. I like it, but we'd need to balance it against the Cauldron mist or whatever.
>>36163538>Mooks roll +8 to Strike on 3d6? Sounds good to me, it should be below the average person's Prevent Harm score. Their Defense (pre-rolled Prevent Harm) should also be 18.No, I meant they add 8 to their Attribute + Skill when they Dod. . . when they Prevent Harm.I think they should still roll when they attack, or a Player Character with enough defences could be literally immune to mooks.>>36163582Since Science includes Medicine, you can roll Science to make people regain Strikes while they are resting.Remember that you can already recover Strikes by doing something cool and in character.
>>36163482And what has magic done for the populous in the setting? Subjugated them to A THOUUUUUUUUSAND YEARS OF DAAAAAAARKNESS. Even though there's plenty of things that are magic, the wizards and witches and people who use magic should be feared and have the light of suspicion cast ever upon them. Because the last time magic users got strong, all this shit happened. Its not how it actually is from an OOC perspective but its easy to see why people in setting would treat magic users like radioactive leper cannibals who shoot lasers from their eyes. So, less a crunch problem more a fluff problem of why anyone would let magicky guys fix their obviously magicky guy problem.
>>36163551Nah, Nobody isn't as much of a fag as the other guy. Don't get me wrong, he's a fag, but not THAT much of a fag.>>36163597Glad to see you and I agree.
>>36163597Additionally, we should not punish people who choose to use their Smart Guy archetype for alchemy or tech use. They should all be perfectly viable but different in a few ways.
>>36163635That's... literally exactly what I said. They have an automatic Prevent Harm score of 18 (the number to Strike them) and to strike the heroes they roll 3d6+8.>>36163644Gee, thanks for calling me a fag.>>36163653This is rapidly going to lead towards that, you realize. As one section of the class gets more options, it's inevitable that it becomes a better pick than the others.
>>36163635Well, Science doesn't work in Combat, so I guess it works. Second Wind is partially intended for being the squishy one in a boss fight or a big encounter.>>36163700You're welcome. Fag.
>>36163620Good point.okay, then the spell requires a smooth stone from a river, but the stone turns rough after the spell has concluded. And on the air bubble, it has a chance of failing if exposed to magical gasses.
>>36163700You made it sound as if I said that they should attack with 3d6 + 8, which is not what I said.Mooks should attack with 3d6 + Attribute (7) + Skill (3). So, 3d6 + 10.Remember that mooks don't usually get good shields, armors or weapons, so they don't get the physical bonuses a Player Character can get.
>>36163642Right. If people get wind that you're a spellcaster it's possible you'll be lynched.
>>36163642So people in the setting are all clones of Nob? I can dig it.
>>36163824You're extremely bitter about this. Why do PCs need to be capable of magic? Alchemy is just fine.
>>36163821Certain areas would probably be more tolerant of magic. For example, areas like the Shadowlands don't care and in Arendelle you do what you have to do to survive, but in the Grand Diocese you could get lynched for anything. They'll hang a guy if he coughs too loudly in public.
>>36163856I'm not being bitter, dude. That was a joke.Also, fluff it as alchemy if you want. I won't come over to your house and beat you until you call it magic, I promise. Beating won't be punishment enough to convince you.
>>36163860Only if he does it heretically.
Hey guys, what's going on in this....Fucking. Hell.Stop feeding the fucking troll wizard, guys.The system is done already, for fuck's sake. This one faggot comes in, starts some shit by insulting Nob and now look at thisFor fuck's sake /tg/, you were supposed to be untrollable
>>36163824Funny. But no seriously, look at the setting. Jafar, Grimbitch, Faciliter, La, Tzekel-Kan , Ymza. Big name human assholes who are known for three things: Evil, ruling, MAGIC. Its not like its not obvious that the average joe-schmoe is gonna think 'ALL MAGIC = EVIL!!!!'>>36163821Possibly. Like a peril of the warp, only is the peril of getting lynched by the mob.
>>36163898Look, alchemy is magic. It's just magic that requires a lot of reagents to get working AND it can directly benefit anyone in the party. Can we just leave it at alchemy and make the potions do cool things?
>>36163910You are sorely mistaken. Conventional troll techniques are slightly ablated by our cynicism and love for fantastic worlds but all that does is open up a whole new category of specialized trolling.
>>36163910How is including magic and laughing at Nob a troll? We've been laughing at Nob for ages. For Cherrybomb's sake, we made a parody of Hellfire about him. Besides, if the system is done, shouldn't we start working on the expansions? Like the one where we were going to add magic?>>36163956Then make alchemy a thing the Sage can do. Sounds good to me.Ooh, maybe that's the only way a Sage can get blasty abilities: By taking about an hour to brew them in his downtime, and then sharing them among the party because he probably can't throw a firebomb for shit.
>>36163938>Possibly. Like a peril of the warp, only is the peril of getting lynched by the mob.>At the bottom of the sea, the PC's are in dire straits fighting against flotsam and jetsam>Wizard rolls to maintain breathing bubbles on everyone because fuckers are too stuck up to be turned into mer-people/sea creatures>Fails>Suddenly diving bells drop all around the wizard with pitchforks and extinguished torches out>Stab wizard then zip up back to the surface>Full party wipe because no breathing
>>36164033If you wanted to make it sound like a bad thing, you failed: that sounds awsome.
>>36164033As is right. Using magic to survive at the bottom of the ocean as opposed to superior Atlantean sub-oceanic powered suits? What fools.
>>36163715Also, I wanted Second Wind because otherwise we can't fit in healing without it turning into Strike removal/restoration, which is something we want to keep for later because getting a Strike should be a big deal, not something you can solve by chugging a health potion.
>>36164072Yeah, Magic should definitely be worse than its alternatives. The Sage is around to give you a slightly inferior version of all the things you can't have, and to improve the things that you do have. If you don't have any money, he'll give you a dollar/euro/pound. Give him 20 pounds/dollars/euros, and he'll give you 50 back.
>>36158954Laputa.Shit now we know who Atlantis was fighting in the Antediluvian Period.
>>36164026Laughing at him is one thing, in good fun alright. Some idiot up there though comes in and says h the guy that made 60% of the whole crunch is holding the project back, that's a troll if I've ever seeb one.Besides, seriously, magic was ruled out before. By fucking pools, too. Heroes don't use magic in Disney, and Elsa was a villain originally
>>36164144>Including Studio Ghibli any more than we already havePls no
>>36164033Frollo is always watching. Never doubt his reach, leas he strangle you while you sleep
>>36164170Fortunately, I am not that guy. Also, fuck that guy.>>36164170Still, after the poll, a significant number of people said they wanted to change their minds. It seemed to me like most of the votes came in while people still thought DVV magic would be D&D magic.
>>36164174Might be an interesting hook for the Ghibli book when we start working on those. Trawling the seafloor for ancient Laputian/Atlantean battle sites and settlements to find powerful ancient technology.
>>36164170>>36164207Also, heroes generally aren't part of adventuring parties of more than one or two guys in Disney either, with exceptions. They almost always have a single clear protagonist and his sidekicks, which is not the kind of party dynamic we want to encourage. It's already clear that our characters won't be exactly like the protagonists of Disney movies. Besides, why shouldn't the wise old man who gives the hero his magic items and tells him to trust in his heart or something go along with him?
>>36164141> Give him 20 pounds/dollars/euros, and he'll give you 50 back.See? MAGIC IS RUINING OUR ECONOMY!
>>36163017>The directions provided by your new friend the fat fairy, Whisky or Mar-Teeny or whatever her name is, seem to prove accurate despite the magical creature's constant state of inebriation.>You once more pick up the She-Beast's trail, a careful path with much subtler tells than a creature of its size should have left through a forest this dense.>The tales of the villagers you'd collected along your trip come back to you that night as you sit beside the campfire, the fairy already snoring louder than you thought possible.>This whole expedition has troubled you from the beginning. Gaston's insistence in you hunting the Beast that had scarred him, all those stories, the trail you followed now.>Deep in your but, you know this is no mere animal you're hunting. There's intelligence there, and a game being played that you don't yet understand.>But you will soon. You're getting close.>Tomorrow, the hunt continues.
>>36156847so, just checking, is the game in fact ready to go right now?
>>36164340Yes, except it turns back into a twenty either when he dies or after a certain time. Or when he loses concentration. Or when you get too far away from him.
>>36164376It's in alpha. You could feasibly play a game with it, though we really ought to stat the various bosses and mooks before we ship, so to speak.
We need anything else written up, fluffwise/ mild crunchwise? I'm kinda motivated to do a KLR for The Firebird, if no one else has addressed it.
>>36164376Pretty much. We don't have anything more than generic mook stats for enemies, so you'll have to do some statting if you want anything more impressive than that to show up. It should be ready for playtesting, at least
>>36164376It's an alpha, but in theory yes. We just need some playtesting to be done to see if it really is balanced
>>36164418Sure, but I can't imagine that the Firebird's KLR would be that that complex.>King: It's made of fire>Land: Shit's on fire>Rule: You're on fire
>>36164376Ask back later; we're having an 'engineering dispute'.
>>36164418I feel like any additional fluff is probably welcome, KLRs especially. I've just been puttering around with this "Hunting Belle the Beast" nonsense, which I'll finish up tonight and move onto another bit of fluff.
>>36164473He doesn't really rule so much as exist as a force of nature.
So, to compile a list of all the spells (I'll treat them as class powers for the Sage) we've come up with so far:>Give +1 defense on touch (Nobody said it was a bad idea)>The second wind thing, if we implement that>Blind an enemy with light to give them a -2 on Prevent Harm checks>Create light from a stone, said stone is then destroyed>Create bubbles of oxygen for underwater areasNobody, do these sound okay to you? I'll let you help with statting them since that way you can keep an eye on us suspicious wizard types.
>>36164690>Nobody, do these sound okay to you? I'll let you help with statting them since that way you can keep an eye on us suspicious wizard types.Well ain't you just a smarmy little bitch.
So what's the status on the IRC/roll20 playtest game we planned?By the way, I'm writing a fuckton of songs for general usage. None of them are based off of current Disney songs. I've gotta walk my dog and attend to real life, but I'll have them posted before the end of the night.
>>36164718Well, it's that or we just let everyone complain about how magic is unbalanced. If the biggest magic-hater in the thread is helping us balance it, you know it won't be OP. If anything, it could be UP.
>>36164690Somewhere in Frollo's Paris, preferably after its suspicion towards magic is made clear, the players should find a book"How to Cast Spells so that Nobody Dissapproves"
Have we made a decision on Skill Check levels?10 - Easy15 - Average20 - Tricky25 - Hard30 - ImpossibleIs that good, or do we need to par it down?
>>36164174Well, since we can probably assume Muska's expedition never happened, Laputa is just sitting there doing fuck all like it has since the War of the Flood. Roarke kind of fills in Muska's character motivations anyway. And besides, it makes sense. One power with absolute dominance of the sea fights a purely air power. Their folly wakes up something…dark.But yeah, probably a splat problem.
>>36164784The word 'Don't' is printed in size 72 type on every page in a wide and interesting variety of fonts.
>>36164784Better that than we don't get anything done because nobody will stop yelling about magic being unbalanced. Not to mention, it's not getting added if nobody else wants it anyway. Which is why opinions on these spells/powers/whatever you want to call them would be useful.
>>36164473Come now, things can be so much more interesting:King: The Firebird is the living (though some contest that the beast truly lives) avatar of nature's fury and power. A great bird, formed of lava, smoke, ash, and flame, it serves one purpose: the destruction of all it can reach. When it has spent its fury and power, it slumbers, for weeks, months, decades some times. But it always awakens again.Some characterize the beast as evil, but this is a flawed judgment: destruction is the first basis for creation, as many young heroes would be wise to note. How else can good grow in this world if the Evil is not laid low? All things in nature grow, and all things in nature die. The Firebird is the bringer of that death.Some theorize that this mission is the reason the Firebird's awakenings grow more frequent and violent over time: In a land filled with sorcerors, gods, and undead, the Earth is screaming in fury that these beings will not lay dead, as is the natural order. Savvy (and incredibly brave heroes) might be able to direct the Firebird's fury at such powers.Lands: Many think of the Firebird's lands as a scorched, burning wasteland. And that is true, for a time. But those who think they STAY that way forget the old maxim: nature abhors a vacuum. Indeed, there are a wide variety of plants who only grow after they are burned, and wood ash is a strong fertilizer. Within months of the Firebird returning to sleep, his lands are verdant and rich again. There are a very few foolhardy souls who live in these lands, and some that seek to profit from them: That same ash is a powerful alchemical regeant. Ash-Rakers spend their lives living as close to the 'burn zone' as they dare, and rushing in when things seem calm to make their fortune. (cont)
>>36164690Second wind still horns in on Science. Not sure if it should be included or not.+1 defense on touch is okay.Blinding an enemy is likely okay.Bubbles of oxygen is okay but it needs a chance of failing before magical gases, cauldron mist, etc.Light is actually a bit underpowered. Just enchanting a held object to glow for a few hours should be okay.But I do have to agree with >>36164718; I'm not the sole arbitrator of what's fair. Don't cast off everyone else's opinions just because I think it's fair. I've been wrong before. Also; we need to be very, very careful about how we implement magic; we don't want the technician and alchemist subclasses to never get picked because Sages have so many potential options. >>36164814>splat problemsMy god, my head is hurting thinking about how many splats we're gonna need to write. So far we have at least:>Magic, good and bad>Villains of the future>High seas villainy>Ghibli madness>Dreamworks madnessand that's off the top of my head.
>>36164880You forgot Don Bluth.
>>36164800Target Number 20: an average problem for a Player Character. Challenging.Target Number 25: something that would give a Player Character pause. Tough.Target Number 30: a big ducking deal, even for a Player Character. Hard.
>>36164814Maybe the dark thing was the giant walking nuclear allegories from Naussica? Or if we didn't want to bring in a third thing they could've just woken up Chernobyl with the fighting and Atlantis attempting to crystal-nuke him was what cause the flood
>>36164859All the stuff but Second Wind are ok.
>>36164800I think there are enough bonuses available to characters that those numbers don't need to be brought down. It's impossible to do anything over average with just 3d6 and no skill bonuses, which makes sense. Should be good for alpha.
>>36164880Why make them subclasses? We could just refluff spells.>+1 Defense: Force field>Blinding: Flashbang>Bubbles: Temporary gas masksAlso, remember that you still need to roll for Second Wind to work. Science is a lot more reliable at doing what it does, but can't be done in combat, I think.
>>36158811>offing Abys Mal and taking his group of bandits as her own and being an eternal thorn in Jafar's sideI'll take sex slave for 300 pls.
>>3616480010 - Chump-tier15: Doable for an average person, 80% of the time.20: Challenging.25: Difficult.30: Extremely hard.35: Impossible.40: Only possible via HEROIC POWERS.
>>36164880Just kindle for the fire. We just need to finish the current system.
1d4chan is updated to the latest decisions, including Skills. I'm also updating class powers for the Strong Guy to remove CLANG CLANG CLANG for Steel Drivin' Man -- I think it fits better.
>>36164880Nob, a starting character gets two Powers (leaving aside species Powers).Now, one Power comes from his Basic Role, but is the other one Country related or can it be whatever the Player decides to take?Because I don't think it should necessarily be country related.
>>36164922Looking for ideas here: How else would you do healing that didn't involve Strike removal? That's the one thing I want to avoid.
>>36164996Nah, I think we decided against country powers -- you can take one if you want, but it's not required. You do need to take one from your Role, though.
>>36164873However, there are no true forest in the land: the Firebird's touch comes too frequently for that. And few beasts call the region home, for the same reason. And at all times, the threat lies heavy in the air, in the strangely soft and gritty earth you tread, in the burnt finger-bones of once mighty trees, in the occasional skeleton found embedded in the earth, blasted their by the scorching fury of this land's master.One of the more intimidating factors of the Firebird's lands is this: his coming and power is heralded by the eruption of a volcano, and is related to the strength and size of the volcano in question. And all the Ash-rakers agree, there is one mountain that has not blown yet, and it is the largest they've ever seen. They call the mountain "Rain-less", and some Sages predict that if it ever serves as the Firebird's host, the ash could reach as far as the Virginia Colonies. RULE: The Rule of the Firebird is: All Things End. In this land, life is cheap, bonds of friendship stutter and fail, and trusty tools break and erode. Nothing can endure forever in the Lands of The Firebird, and nothing should. Some say this power can be harnessed for good: that rubbing one's self in Firebird Ash while in his lands can end curses and enchantments. Some posit that obsidian from the area may make a powerful weapon against Gods and Cauldron Born. Unfortunately, to harvest such obsidian would bring one to the mountains and valleys most imbued with the Firebird's fury, and therefore is most likely to provoke him to waking. So far, no Ash-Raker has had the nerve to risk it.
>>36164941If you roll 10 over it's a Great Success and you get a better result than normal. 20 over is a Heroic Success and you get the best possible result and then some.Rolling 10 under is a Big Failure, which means something bad happens instead. Rolling 20 under is a Bald Mountain Failure, which means something VERY bad happens.Should we make rolling a 3 or an 18 crits?
>>36156847Wouldn't Gaston be a great hero? I mean, the Beast was a cursed prince turned beastman by a gypsy. By all accounts Gaston was just as right as Belle. Belle just had a different approach to dealing with the haunted castle and the cursed prince.
>>36165020In combat or out
>>36164995Nob, would you be offended if I made some changes to the 1d4chan page?I think I could improve some points and I don't want you to think it was wizards.
>>36165124Gaston's a villain, stop trying to tell us he's the real hero of the story.
Just a question, did we agree on what we'd do for Hero tier traits?I liked the idea of doubling the existing traits and unlocking some that revolve around heroic situations. That +8 bonus when facing a villain with no strikes left was pretty good.Can I still vote for that?
>>36165106Crits should generally be avoided, as while interesting they tend to make gameplay even more spike-y than a game relying on large amounts of dice already is.Nothing's stopping you from making a power that gives bonuses when you roll multiple sixes and penalties when you roll multiple ones or whatever. >>36165162Go for it. I can see the history of the page anyway.>>36165168Nothing's decided yet, but if you want to write up some stuff and 'bin it we'll add it to the OP.
>>36165152In combat, since out is what Science is for.
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>>36164880>Also; we need to be very, very careful about how we implement magic; we don't want the technician and alchemist subclasses to never get picked because Sages have so many potential options. Easy solution: have the Sage class include those people, too. Wheter by casting a spell on a rock, covering it with a luminescent substance or using a chemical light, the end result is that you still make a small, portable light source.
>>36165202Fake strike that vanish from any new damage? Some method to remove some penalties accumulated? Most field medicine doesn't focus on getting you better but getting you back into the fight after all.
>>36165266Then what penalties do you get from losing a Strike, besides getting closer to death? As far as I can tell, the only penalty that can be removed is the penalty of missing a strike.
On 1d4chan, I saw things talking about social strikes or magic strikes. Do we have multiple strike groupings? Because that sounds pretty cool to me.
>>36165308Meant for any other kind of thing that mgith cause one not just strike Also because just saying the first one seemed too small to say.
>>36165308There are no penalties to having more strikes. Being closer to defeat in this grim world is punishment enough.Multiple strikes are caused by two means; Rolling >10 over a target's Prevent Harm/Endure roll, or by certain villains that hit hard. For example, an ogre causes two strikes per successful hit, and on the far end of the scale Carnie Blag causes eight. >>36165327Nah, all strikes are the same. It's not you getting closer to death, it's you getting closer to giving up the fight or being defeated. This is disney after all, there's not a lot of 'stab stab stab you're dead'.
>>36165258Nah, I don't agree with that. Alchemy is fundamentally different. Alchemy is equations, Sages use invoking. Make Alchemy should be more potent, but be very short in duration
>>36165401Wait, so what exactly happens when you run out of strikes? This all seems a little too vague.
>>36165430You are defeated. Depending on the enemy, you could be dead (cauldronborn, unfeeling horrors from beyond space and time, the Friends stealing your soul) Defeated (most living enemies, knocking you out or imprisoning you) or just having a mental breakdown or being shamed so much that you can't continue (defeated Socially or Mentally)It's intentionally vague so that the GM can improvise depending on the enemy.
>>36165401Then that's that possible use of healing magic removed. Only other possibilities I can see are Second Wind, which everyone seems against, Strike restoration, which I personally hate as an easy low-level thing because it seems OP, or just don't include healing magic, in which case a decent part of the role a Sage would be filling needs to be rethought. >>36165429Alchemy should be part of what Sages do. They're the Smart Guys. As such, it's their job to do Smart Things, be they invoking or equations.
>>36165185One thing, about Lessons.I think we should use these Progressions:Fast ProgressionSkill: 2 Lessons; Trait: 4 Lessons; Attribute: 6 Lessons; New Power every 10 Lessons.Medium ProgressionSkill: 2 Lessons; Trait: 4 Lessons; Attribute: 8 Lessons; New Power every 10 Lessons.Slow ProgressionSkill: 3 Lessons; Trait: 6 Lessons; Attribute: 9 Lessons; New Power every 15 Lessons.It's a very minor difference from what you decided, but I think it looks better.>>36165327Kinda, but we never really codified them. I think a GM should just wing it.But yes, armors and shields only protect you from physical attacks, not from music or lies.What counts as a physical attacks is something you should figure out using your Common Sense.>>36165308>>36165430Strikes are an abstraction.
>>36165460In that case, I'd say that when you get to no strikes, you're Incapacitated. If somebody wants to drag you off to a dungeon or finish you, then you can't stop them. Even if they don't, you probably won't be fighting any more.
>>36165494Okay, mate, sages were not originally magicians. The basis for that subclass is Milo Thatch, from Atlantis. He's a linguist and has a doctorate. Magic should not be a necessary part of the Sage. The Sage heals outside of combat (inside combat healing is almost never good in any game) via using Science. Whether that means voodoo mumbo-jumbo to make you feel better, or a quick checkup to tell you you're fine, you big pansy, it removes strikes. >>36165527You could do that, but that runs counter to a lot of things we've done and to the game's theme. Once you're out of strikes, the next hit defeats you. There's no reason to add more levels of granularity to an already working system.
>>36165527Forgot to add: When incapacitated, your friends can restore you to fighting condition. If it's Social Incapacitation, an inspiring speech will do it. Physical or Magical Incapacitation can be a little trickier. Magical Incapacitation would be, for example, when Anna is iced-up enough in the film that she can barely do anything on her own. Olaf's able to restore her back up to a couple of strikes, but then she gets Incapacitated again later when she becomes an ice statue, but then Elsa's act of love restores her again.
Would just like to pop in and put a word in on magic; I cannot recall a Disney character that could be called a 'caster' that wasn't a villain or support character (which includes mentors and plot devices). Rapunzel had ONE single magical ability, Elsa had no control over her powers, the genie was a plot device, etc, etc. 'Casters' are unsuitable for Disney protagonists, which is exactly what we're trying to play here.I think that we can satisfy all needs for magical support between singing (enhanced with traits and powers, if need be), Will-point spending Powers and applications of the Occult skill.>>36162328>>36162644The reason I originally wrote Zealous Champion as a power instead of a trait is two fold: one, it involves will points, and two, it can make a character a class and a half/third.
>>36165510Lessons: We've had a lot of arguments about these so the 1d4chan page is a compromise. the Powers thing is a reasonabl echange, but the Slow Progression skills should still be 2 because you want someone like they've improved every session if they want to.
>>36165494Not every smart guy is a sage though
>>36165591But the Rule of 3, Nob!
>>36165596Wait, I thought Sage was what we were calling the Smart Guy class? We agreed that in one of the earlier threads, I think.
>>36165611I don't remember ever agreeing to that: the names of the Roles are abstractions, not what the characters call themselves.Smart Guy is good.
>>36165588Completely true. Let's cut back on the magic talk and finish up numbers and lore. Please.
>>36165611It was one of the original names, yes.But we divided every class into three 'subclasses' that each one would generally cover. You call yourself whatever your character would call themselves.
>>36165579Actualy that was Anna's act of love.
>>36165611Let me guess: either you only participated the first five or so threads and just popped back in now, OR you only read the first five or so threads and think that'll get you anywhere in thread 22. Shit changes fast, especially at the rate we've been going.
>>36165588Seconded, as I mentioned in a much less concise post here: >>36163642
>>36165634Rename Sage Smart Guy, then.>>36165588Smart Guy means playing the support character. After all, no Disney hero was ever part of an adventuring party. It was always the hero and his sidekicks. So why not make the sidekicks PCs, give them more important roles?>>36165640>Implying magic doesn't involve both numbers and lore>Implying the Smart Guy isn't one of the Least numbers'd character, as far as I can tell>>36165659It's up for interpretation. Still, it being Elsa would be how it works in the system.>>36165671I've been here for most of the threads, but I go outside occasionally.
>>36165640>>36165678Have we yet agreed on EXACTLY what bonuses singing provides? Even if we were to say it was just equal to your charisma bonus, that means we're getting a bonus anywhere between 4 and 12 for starting characters. Half the charisma bonus, and that goes to 2 to 6.
>>36165753There's something on 1d4chan, but I don't remember ever seeeing that in the threads
>>36165185I made some changes to the page and I think I found a compromise we can agree on for the Lessons Progressions.We should really make a better list for the Skills: something with examples and TNs for every skill.But not now because I'm getting kind of sleepy.>>36165753>>36165787We really, really need to work on them a bit.
>>36164752(Sing to the tune of Tonight - 1961 Ensemble. Slightly modified.)MALEFICENT Those fools are gonna learn to fearTonight.FROLLOThe Inquisition won’t be stoppedTonight.MALEFICENTThe Red Robes mumble of God’s MightBut when they try to rumbleWe’ll rumble ‘em right.FROLLO AND INQUISITORSWe’re gonna purge the landTonight.MALEFICENT AND FEYWe’re gonna break their handTonight.FROLLO AND INQUISITORSWe said “No more Fey,No tricks.”But when they try and jump us,We’re ready to mixTonight.ALL SO FARWe’re gonna do it tonight,Gonna claim this land for us once and for all!They’re gonna get it tonight,And the more they attack us the harder they’ll fall!MALEFICENT AND FEY:And they began it!FROLLO AND INQUISITORSAnd they began it!ALL SO FARAnd we’re the ones to stop ‘em once and for all,Tonight!GRIMHILDEGrimhilde’s gonna get her kicksTonight.I’ll take it all from those stupid hicksTonight.Laugh as all their plans backfiredOf course!Don’t matter who first firedAs long as I’m lastTonight!HORNED KINGTonight, tonightWon’t just be any nightTonight there will be no morning star.Tonight, tonight, I’ll end it all tonightAnd I’ll burn every star where they are.TodayThe minutes drag eternally,The hours last a year,And still the sky is far too light,I swear on my bonesThat I’ll make this endless day endless night!FROLLOI’m counting on you to serve your lordTonight.When we set the final pyreTonight.That dirty heretic’llGo down.And when she’s a burning corpseWe’ll purge the towns!(FROLLO, HANS AND ELSA SING SIMULTANEOUSLY)FROLLOSo I can count on you, boy?HANSAll right.FROLLOWe’re gonna finish this endless brawl.HANSAll right.FROLLOWomb to tomb!HANSCursh the worms!FROLLOI’ll count on you to wait.HANSTonight….ELSATonight, TonightJust another long night,Tonight with all the frozen stars,FINALE NEXT POST
>>36165894>18(INQUISITORS, FEY, ELSA, HORNED KING AND GRIMHILDE ALL SING SIMULTANEOUSLY)INQUISITORSWe’re gonna end it tonight,They’re gonna get it tonight,They began it,They began it,They began it,We’ll stop ‘em once and for all.The Inquisition won’t be stopped today,The Inquisition will show the way,We’re gonna purge it tonight.Tonight!FEYWe’re gonna rock it tonight!Tonight!They began it,And we’re the ones to stop ‘em once and for all!The Fey always get their wayEvery day is our dayWe’re gonna show them tonight.Tonight!GRIMHILDETonight, tonight,Late tonight,They’ll see the error of their ways.I swear I’ll have my day,I swear I’ll have my day,They’ll see I’ll make my wayTonight, tonight,Tonight, this very night,I’m gonna end it tonight!ELSATonight, tonight,Only the snow tonightAnd for me time’s frozen in place.HORNED KING AND ELSAToday the minutes drag eternally And the hours last a yearAnd still the sky is far too bright,HORNED KINGI swear on my bonesI’ll make this endless day endless night!ELSAOh moon, grow bright,And save me from this never-ending night,ALLTONIGHT!
>>36165894OHOHOH, NICE ONE!
>>36165894Horned King's verse really fits Yzma more. She wants to get rid of the sun and he is the anti-song.
>>36165692Really? And you never noticed that no one was calling their characters by the class names introduced in the earlier threads?In any event, yes, in the movies there was always only one or two protagonists, but parties of protagonists is just one of those hiccups you get when transferring medias. True support characters, like mentors and plot devices, should stay NPCs.
Is anyone prepared to create a new thread? This one is nearing the seventh and eighth pages in the catalog and has already been archived.>>36164362>The rising sun brings with it warmth and clarity of purpose, banishing the doubt that had clouded your mind the previous night as well as your pudgy pixie's snoring.>The morning light also reveals the sight of a burnt-out ruin, perched on a crag roughly half a day's walk away, towering majestically but forlornly over the dark boughs of the forest.>You are told by Brandy, her real name and one you really should have guessed given her fondness for the contents of your flask, that you have nearly reached the She-Beast's lair.>You are told that it is there, in the basements and caverns beneath the castle ruins, and something stirs at the back of your memory. Something about a castle and a fire.>Something about Gaston.>You shake the discomforting thoughts out of your head and take extra care in preparing your rifle and ammunition for the day, knowing that today is the day that you will face this She-Beast.>Today you will kill it, or you will be killed by it.>The hunt will come to its conclusion.
>>36165865You changed ROBUSTNESS to Robustness. I don't like that.
>>36165971Alternatively, we let people play as all the non-evil Disney characters, not just as the Disney protagonists. Because let's face it, Disney protagonists tend to be a little archetypal. Not every female protagonist will have a song about how they want more.
>>36166046ROBUSTNESS! will always live on in my heart, but I thought (and still think) that keeping it that way in the actual rules just because I liked to write it ROBUSTLY! was kind of silly.>>36166107>Player Character>not wanting moreCome on, man, step it up.
Shall I start a new thread? I feel there are Crunchmeisters here better equipped than I.
>>36166107And playing Merlin, a classic mentor, won't be archetypal too?Besides, let's face it: pretty much every tabletop system out there is about playing the protagonists.
>>36166159I'm currently starting one. Just going over the pastebins.
>>36166192Thank you kindly!
>>36166213Aaaand heeere weee go.>>36166222
>>36166107Not every female protagonist will have a song about how they want more.>>36166136>Player Character>not wanting more>female protagonist's song occurs mid-coitus
>>36166184Even if your magic user character is a protagonist, their abilities should mainly be about support and utility.Again I stress that alchemy should really be the only kind of magic employable by the PCs barring magic items.
>>36166282Hey.Keep it PG, mister. This here's Disney. If any sex happens, it should only be implied rather than directly stated.
Name: Azriel Amos AshworthRole: Nimble GuyCountry of Origin: Disputed area of Shadowlands/Wild WestSize: MediumSpecies: Human--Attributes--Robustness: 9Agility: 9Intelligence: 7Sensibility: 9Charisma: 6Will: 3--Skills--Travel +3Ranged +3Endure +3Intimidation +3Acrobatics +1Withstand +1--Traits--A Man Pays His Dues: Your word is your bond; your blood flows through every promise you make. When you swear to someone that you will do something, you gain bonuses to everything in the pursuit of it, but fail- and the Other Side will take a part of your soul. Mechanically represented by permanent stat penalties; you lose a level for failure. Strength of effect might vary; a minor commitment brings only minor boosts and temporary penalties for failure, but promising to succeed or die- and you'll succeed or die.Not On My Watch!: +2 on (ranged/melee, choice of) when fighting those that would hurt the innocent.I Shot the Sheriff: +3 to Ranged against any authority figures you deem corrupt.--Powers--Heroic Sights: When fighting with a Revolver, the character may spend a Will point to gain a +5 roll to hit a specific target (i.e, knocking the weapon out of someone's hands.)--Ideals--Justice for all. (See that all who do evil are brought to justice.)No debts. (Free everyone from their debts involving the other side.)A fist full of dollars (Accumulate a small fortune to get away from it all with.)--Goals--Zero: Get rid of the debt with the friends from the other side.On a roll: Bring Alameda Slim to justice.Hero: Bring Doctor Facilier to justice.--Equipment--1x six shooter revolver1x Horse (With no name)1x Lever action repeating rifleImagine the pic with a duster and cowboy hat.Shoddily written bio coming soon.
>>36166972Azriel Ashworth worked for Alameda Slim in the disputed zone on the border the Wild West and the Shadowlands as one of Alameda's rough riders. Facilier's minions came to take the town Azriel was stationed at beating the rough riders handily. Azriel quit after Alameda commanded his rough riders to retreat, leaving the town's inhabitants at the mercy of Facilier and his friends on the other side. Azriel stayed behind to trade his soul for those of the townsfolk, but the friend on the other side took his soul, and the townsfolk anyway. Azriel rides now to first wipe away his debt and get his soul, and bring Alameda and Facilier to justice.
>>36165163Nobody does nothing wrong like Gaston.
>>36158737>Belle Beast>not a terrifying werewolfCome on guys seriously, Gaston did nothing wrong except for be big for his britches, and that's mostly just cus he's a big fish in a small pond. >Gaston, after killing the beast and setting fire to the castle, goes back to the township and becomes a local hero>he quickly becomes consumed by his glory and delves deeper into narcissism, eventually being able to afford a fiefdom>if he's not treated like a king he resorts to beating up/ humiliating townsfolk who he feels have done wrong by Gaston
>>36165163He's only a villain because of the plot though. We're making a setting here, and setting > plot. There's a lot more interesting things to be done with Gaston as a hero than with Gaston as a villain, anyway.Yes, he was the villain in the story, but really there weren't any heroes or villains in that story. Part of why I love that movie is how morally gray all of the characters are.
>>36167706He's the villain of the story, thus he is victorious.
>>36167754And he gets his waifu.
>>36167754But if we're going for a grimdark disney here, gaston's victory could only really lead to good things, unless Belle turns evil via beastification, or unless Gaston becomes a corrupt leader of some kind after his victory (as narcissistic people tend to do).
>>36167706I really think someone of his nature in this setting would find himself swept up in some dire plot or another.
>>36167894He's one of the Hunters' League with Clayton, McLeach and some others.
>>36167780Alternately he don't get his waifu, which made him bitter and lead to him becoming genuinely evil.