Welcome to the XI installment of "Disney Villains Victorious."Disney Villains Victorious is a new /tg/ homebrew project based on the idea of a world, not entirely unlike our own, in which all the villains from all the Disney animated feature films were not defeated at the ends of their movies but were instead victorious, completing their goals in part or in whole.It is a world in which Ursula rules the seas, defied only by the uncatchable Pirate Lords, the cutthroat merchants of the East India Trading Company and the might of Atlantis and its magitech-toting mercenaries. It is a world where the grasslands and jungles and forests are prowled not only by fearsome primal beasts like Shere Kahn and Scar but also by the ruthless, tireless hunters that stalk them. It is a world where Europe has been divvied up between evil sorcerous monarchs like Maleficent, the Horned King, Grimhilde and Jafar, mad, inquisitorial clergymen like Frollo, and Dark Gods like Hades and Chernobog.It is not, however, a world completely devoid of courage, heroism or hope. Around the world, the PCs' characters and their allies plot and plan, fight and strive and win their own victories against the villains that would rule them. The time to fight and to be free is now.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+Victorioushttp://1d4chan.org/wiki/Disney_villains_victorious
All right, this is going great!So, let's see if we finally got the basic mechanics down.>The most common roll is 3d6 + Attribute + Skill. The Target Number for something a hero would consider to be challenging is 20.>Attributes are:>ROBUSTNESS! (muscles and stamina);>Agility (dexterity and hand to eye coordination);>Intelligence (memory and learning speed);>Sensibility (situational awareness and empathy);>Charm (force of personality and pleasantness).>An average guy has 7 in every Attribute. A PC begins with 6 in every Attribute and has 10 points to spread around. 12 is the highest you can reach in an Attribute without moving to another Tier of play.
If we've got more Pixar, it would be amusing to have Stromboli in control of the toys from Toy Story. More of a cameo/easter egg than a plot, but it could work.
>>36080030>The Skills are:>Acrobatics>Athletics>Melee>Ranged>Brawl>Withstand (to avoid getting shanked)>Endure (to resist poisons, diseases, heat, cold, starvation, mind control, social pressure and shit)>Stealth>Legerdemain (to steal, to get out of a pair of manacles, to hide something)>Deceit>Persuasion>Intimidation>Academics>Linguistics (to decipher ancient hieroglyphics, to speak in code, to learn new languages) >Mechanics>Occult>Science>Craft>Driving (to drive cars, boats, airplanes)>Travel (to ride animals, to avoid getting lost, to feed off the land, to find shelter, to follow tracks)>Insight (Perception, Insight and Search, all rolled in one)>Music>An average guy has 3 in the Skills that most relate to his everyday life. PCs begin with 0 in every Skill and have 10 points to spread around. The first point you put in a Skill raises it to 3. Every following points raises it by 1. 6 is the highest you can reach in a Skill without moving to another Tier of play.
>>36080038Toys aren't here in this thing. For a start, nobody ever built them. Also, the plots of the films don't change the fact that the toys don't talk in front of humans.Also, which Pixar film did we include?
>>36080052>To attack someone you roll 3d6 + Attribute + Skill. Attribute and Skill can be ROBUSTNESS! and Melee, or Agility and Ranged, or Charm and Deceit, or Sensibility and Persuasion, or anything else you can use to hurt someone.>To avoid an attack you roll 3d6 + Attribute + Skill. Attribute and Skill depend on how you are being attacked: ROBUSTNESS! or Agility + Withstand to avoid pshysical attacks, Charisma + Resistance to avoid social pressure, Sensibility + Resistance to avoid being hurt by your opponent's lies, Intelligence + Resistance to avoid being hurt by mind attacks.>Serious enemies do the same, while mooks, instead of rolling, add 3 to their Attribute and Skill.>If the roll of the aggressor is equal to or greater than the roll of the defender, the aggressor deals one Strike to the Defender. If the margin of success of the aggressor is 10 or more, he deals two Strikes instead. 20, three Strikes instead.>Strikes are an abstraction: you blocked the sword, you dodged the arrow, you landed gracefully, you resisted the social pressure, you didn't let yourself get hurt by your enemy's lies.>Important people, like PCs and serious villains, can get up to three Strikes before getting actually hurt: every Strike after the third is a real injury. Mooks and normal people don't have this kind of protection: one Strike is always enought to take them down.>Armor works by decreasing by one Strike the physical attacks that get to you.
well first thing first lets get some of the stuff from the old thread onto this one before the old thread dies
>>36080038I'm sure Stromboli has a nice show in Pleasure Island
>>36080052Talking to Animals, Animal Handling should fall under its own category and not Travel, Survival, Focus (Or determination of what base stat this would fall under)Just a short list of suggestions that we should weigh.
>>36080080I think Charles Muntz from Up is the only one so far.
>>36080126>>36080038Merida from Brave, too.
>>36080080Mor'du from Brave has scotland, Muntz from up is a part of the hunter's club. I think that's about it as far as Pixar goes.
>>36080126>>36080138Ah, right. And I think somebody suggested a Boo from Monsters Inc cameo last thread, but I don't see her doing anything important.
>>36080080Maybe Monster's Inc. and maybe Finding Nemo. Brave is included because demonic Bear in Scotland is rad.
>>36080101>Weapons give you a small bonus to your Melee or Ranged rolls. They are the only reason Melee and Ranged are marginally better at dealing damage than Brawl, Diplmacy or Music, Skills that can be used to do a lot of other stuff.>Shields give you a small bonus to your Withstand rolls.>Will is a pool of points that can be used to:>Get a bonus to one roll you're about to make;>Reroll one roll you just made;>Resist a magical effect that's affecting you;>Add some details to the scene (very narrativistic).
>>36080110We got that shit archived, its alright.
>>36080119Talking to Animals and Hanimal Handling are Linguistics. Animal is a perfectly normal language, you specieist.
>>36080119The skills are meant to be more generalized than specific
Thank you for taking the time to summarize the mechanics. I am pretty sure I missed a thread or two in my reading over the weekend.
glad to see this idea hasn't died and is still going strong
>>36080187Nob and I spent a lot of time on this. It had to be done.Now, the question is: how often do you recharge the Strikes you can take? After every combat? After a couple of minutes of rest? After an hour?And how many Will Points should a PC get? Also, how often should they recharge?
>>36080179>Animal is a perfectly normal language, you specieist.You win this round.
I'm going to post the most recent Official Map again, since it hasn't been put up on 1d4chan yet.
I think that to motivate Players to get into the 'Disney' mindset that songwriting should be optional, but encouraged.Player writes & performs a good Heroic 'I want' song or (If playing an evil campaign) a good villain song, they'll get a roll bonus for that adventure/session/whatever time period the GM rules appropriate.It doesn't have to be long, just a verse and a chorus, and it's fine to crib from existing tunes.If it's a group song, then the whole group gets a bonus, more if each PC has their own individual verse.If it's really REALLY good, completely original, or they use their own instruments, or just really impress the GM, then they should get a skill point.This is just to add to the table feel. Totally optional.
>>36080030>Sensibility>Charm>Agility>RobustnessCan anyone think of a good synonym for Intelligence that begins with an 'E'? We've got the makings of a thematically fitting acronym in SCARE if we can pull it off.Education springs to mind but doesn't really fit properly and we definitely shouldn't force it.
>>36080218Will points could be a culmination of all the other stats. Think modifiers in DnD and Pathfinder, maybe half of the other skill points is the amount of will points until next level up.As for strikes, it may make sense that they are recharged after a determined period of rest. Otherwise, it might make combat become unimportant which could be a negative for many players.
>>36080280Firstly: What is it with us and acronyms?Secondly: Erudition.
>>36079994Character data List is now updated!And yes, it is comparable to d20station spaghetticode. I'm sorry, it's just that i haven't had time to properly organize and format it.Also, if we're having Heffalumps, woozles and Acrewooders in the game, how do we deal with the fact that they're essentially living plushtoys?Also, maybe i could stat out the 100 Acre Wood races, if that's okay...
>>36080280Stop right there.We keep doing this almost every thread: no more acronyms. We started with PRINCE and HERO and then decide to just let it go.
>>36080280acronyms... We tried acronyms once...<War Flashbacks>
>>36080306That would be fine, have at it.
>>36080299>>36080315>>36080318Oh fair enough. I literally just saw SCARE jump out at me and thought it would be neat. We can do without.
>>36080321Right then. I'll have them done sometime tomorrow.
So how do we deal with the obvious chronological inconsistencies in this setting?Temporal anomaly? Dimensional Flux? Handwave?
>>36080248The map says Maleficent's lands are green, but marked with purple, and that Grimhilde's lands are purple, but marked with green. Which is it supposed to be?Also Dr. Facilier's name is misspelled.
>>36080248Hm, is Blue Fairy a villain?
>>36080306Since the 100 Acre Woods are supposedly just in Christopher Robin's imagination, I propose we make them optional and not part of the main map.
>The Basic Roles are 5, one for each Attribute. They are very general concepts, easily customizable thanks to Traits, choice of Skills and Powers.>Strong Guy:>Gets a rank in Athletic and Withstand>Can take 4 Strikes instead of 3.>Rolls 4d6 and drops the lowest die every time he rolls on ROBUSTNESS!>A Power based on his specialization: something for Knights, something for Brawlers, something for Duelists, et cetera.>With his character growth he gets new Powers.
>>36080218Maybe instead of restoring strikes resting, you regenerate them by doing something related to your character's ideals? So as to encourage more cinematic play?For instance, say that Atlantean mechanic Mahrikatoka is down to one strike, but manages to get some floodlights working, making half the shadows the PCs are fighting melt away. Because one of her ideals is to fix things, this would help replenish her strikes.
>>36080372This. This sounds great. Everyone agree with this guys idea.
>>36080349Which inconsistencies? I was pretty sure we had everything worked out so that this was all in the right place. The most advance tech we have is WW1 - WW2 stuff and maybe Atlantean stuff. Other than that most places are medieval or lower level.
>>36080349Handwave. DOOMtown is modern, next to the Old West, next to Jazz Era Shadowlands, next to Colonial Virgina.Things just are.And bringing technologically advanced items to places like Europe in order to help the Resistances there is a great plot hook.
>>36080349I figure that it works at least in part by the biggest bads being immortal or damn near close to it, and inkling to run their lands a certain way only let thugs change begrudgingly. The North American based nations, the Old West, New York City, Rourke's influence on Atlantis are possible because without ancient evils in the Americas present at the time of colonization, things could progress more freely.
>>36080349Things happened at different times. America was still populated with pilgrims from Europe initially, it's just that they were fleeing from the Horned King, Maleficent etc. The USA was mostly normal up except for the Atlantis expedition until the 20's, when the Friends came. Meanwhile, China just got conquered by the Huns, and has been conquered for the past few hundred years.
>>36080350Well, it's more easily fixed than other errors, at least. Maleficent is Green, Grimhilde is purpleWhile I'm at the map, there was talk of transferring control of the spirit realm to the Firebird from Fantasia 2000, thoughts?
>>36080372I am in favor of this idea. Also, we should make a 'last gasp' rule.Say, Mahrikatoka has used all of her three strikes and is down, but she's just within arm's reach of the floodlight switch to help save her companions. She can use her 'Last Gasp' and flip on the switch, right before she passes out.Also, because this is Disney, we need to come up with something that represents the Power of Love.
>>36080483Maybe have a burnt-out area within the spirit realm, centered on somewhere like Mt. St. Helena due to the volcanic devastation.
>>36080390>>36080406>>36080412Okay... in that case, how about Disney settings beyond Earth? Like Treasure Planet. Or...Star Wars.
>>36080406i think he means that stuff like brave and TPATF are from completly different timezones>>36080349there is no time paradox as all the films slyly reference each other
>>36080477And don't forget all the immortal rulers.
>>36080518Saving those for sci-fi splat
>>36080360>Nimble Guy:>Gets a rank in Acrobatics and Withstand.>Moves faster than normal and ignores the speed penalties you normaly get when climbing or moving furtively.>Rolls 4d6 and drops the lowest die every time he rolls on Agility.>A Power based on his specialization: something for Street Rats, something for Rogues, something for Circus Performers, et cetera.>With his character growth he gets new Powers. >Smart Guy:>Gets a rank in Academic, Science, Mechanic or Occult.>Gets one more Will Point than normal.>Rolls 4d6 and drops the lowest die every time he rolls on Intelligence.>A Power based on his specialization: something for Professors, something for Alchemists, something for Mechanics, et cetera.>With his character growth he gets new Powers.>Sensible Guy:>Gets a rank in Insight.>Never gets Strikes from Deceit or illusions.>Rolls 4d6 and drops the lowest die every time he rolls on Sensibility.>A Power based on his specialization: something for Healers, something for Explorers, something for Artisans, et cetera.>With his character growth he gets new Powers. >Charming Guy:>Gets a rank in Deceit, Music or Persuasion.>Gets a bonus Action each Round that he can use to roll on Deceit, Music or Persuasion.>Rolls 4d6 and drops the lowest die every time he rolls on Charm.>A Power based on his specialization: something for Con Men, something for Poets, something for Merchants, et cetera.>With his character growth he gets new Powers.
>>36080352If i'd recall, we agreed on Chrisopher being captured by another King (general consensus seems to favor Kaa) who's trying to get him to make the 100 Acre Woods real and conquer them. Therefore, it's not unreasonable that some 100 Acre Wooders would end up in real life, with territories getting ripped from the dream realm and into the real one. That, and it follows the rule of three we have going on, what with the other dream realm kingdoms being Wonderland and Never-Never Land, the three comprising the Mirror side of the Dream Realm.So we'd need two more places comparable to The Other Side to fill out the Shadow side.
>>36080477I thought Virginia was established at the Horned King's whim so he has an eventual foothold on the Americas? Also that Cauldron-Born had rifles because HK hoards tech.
>>36080483Maybe the Firebird is the Spirit Realm's guard dog.If a human settlement gets too big, or too destructive, or violates some long forgotten law, the Firebird comes and cleanses the area. So there are little tribes of people, maybe native refugees from Virginia and the West, who live there, always moving. Desperately trying not to call down the wrath of Nature.
>>36080518Space stuff is in a future expansion. Right now we're dealing with core rules and setting
>>36080545>the three comprising the Mirror side of the Dream Realm.I love you for remembering my idea and my names.
>>36080545The three Dreamers are Wendy, Christopher Robin and AliceWendy is somewhere in Ursula's clutches after being forced to walk the plank, maybe on Davy Jones' ship.Christopher Robin is in Kaa's hypnotic realm(?)Alice hadn't been talked about yet, MIA>>36080565Speaking of Mirror sides of things, should Grimhilde's magic mirror be pivotal to any of it?
>>36080509>>36080372Uh uh, uh uh, very good, very good. A good possibility.What if the Strikes you can take automatically recharge during long time periods (like, by the next day) but you can also use this rule to recover them faster?
>>36080555Villains Victorious: Wishing Upon Unfeeling Stars (The space stuff)Villains Victorious: Dark Dreams (Adding in more DreamWorks stuff)
>>36080248Hey, where did you get that map? I know it's Europa but how did you get such a pretty geometric version.
>>36080621>Villains Victorious: Second Star on the LeftDark Dreams is good
>>36080372>>36080509I think it might be more fun than simply having your character rest or waiting for the strikes to recharge because this way, the player might be inclined to think:"I'm down to one strike. I better do something in-character and awesome."Rather than:"I'm down to one strike. I better wait the rest if this fight out."Maybe, strikes can regenerated both ways, by waiting and by fulfilling ideals, giving characters the chance to both be injured/play dead and go full hero.
>>36080607She's close to Maleficient and very faeish herself, so yeah, why not? Her mirror could totally be connected to the Dream Realm, which is how it knows all that stuff.She also deals in eternal sleep, so that's perfect for a connection the Dream Realm.
>>36080030>>36080052>>36080101>>36080158>>36080360>>36080544ROBUSTNESS! guy, you're back!
>>36080621So in the event that we make the DreamWorks expansion, we'd need to think of a way for Ramses II to literally win against YHWH.
>>36080728God doesn't interfere with Moses. Simple.
>>36080719I'm too ROBUST! to be kept down, Anon!>>36080654>>36080729So you both like the idea of recharging the Strikes you can take (SYCT from now on) in both ways: with time and with in character cool actions?
>>36080728Egyptian gods are real and Moses was playing with the Big Boys
>>36080551>>36080515How's this look?
>>36080607Alice is somewhere in Wonderland. Probably. Maybe. Look, nobody knows, but the damn place is nigh-on infinite and completely nonsensical, so it's completely possible. Plus, there's that bloody cat that always seems to have the answers but never tells.
>>36080607Idea I liked from last thread.>Kaa and Winnie the Pooh sound exactly the same>Kaa lured Christopher Robin into his magical realm and hypnotized him into believing he's Pooh>Christopher Robin keeps imagining creatures which Kaa eagerly devours, an endless source of food
>>36080786But then were are the Egyptian Gods? Are they still around? And how powerful are they compared to Hades?
>>36080811>>36080786>>36080728Easier answer: YHWH was already beat down during the Fall. Chernabog is an interpretation of the devil, you know.
>>36080545>So we'd need two more places comparable to The Other Side to fill out the Shadow side.Hades' Underworld and Davy Jones' Locker?
>>36080797Good, but Facilier's name is still typo'd.
>>36080797Not so hot. I'd rather its realm was more centred around a specific point. With a fringe empire like that, it looks far more intentional instead of the wild, uncontrollable destruction that it should be. North-West is a good spot to centre it.
>>36080828Good, very good: they are both creepy, mysterious and a possible source of epic adventures.
>>36080828The Other Side, I think was the third one.
>>36080842So is Ursula's
>>36080820Yeah, that's right. Chernabog killed God in this setting. Maybe God's last message was to Moses, to free the Jews, then the world. We could work this into the Gods and Religions splatbook
>>36080870So what power is talking to Frollo and Jafar?
>>36080775>>36080654Right. I think now that allowing for both methods gives the player some good options. Letting them restore over time allows a player to play it safe and their characters get injured or play dead without punishment. Letting them have an active, character-driven means to regenerate strikes promotes active, character-driven gameplay, that is to say, let them be big damn Disney heroes.
>>36080899Good, good.Now, what about Will Point? The PCs should never get too many of them, but enough to use them somewhat often.How many? And how often should they recharge?
>>36080545>>36080607>>36080809>>36080828>>36080844I can try to spearhead the work on the other worlds. Should I bother taking up a name, or are there already too many in the thread?
>>36080895Frollo worships Chernabog now since he entered lichdom. Jafar is the world's most powerful sorcerer, he listens to no higher power.
>>36080895Also Chernabog. Ooh, idea!>Chernabog has a piece of the soul of everyone who turns to villainy. As such, just as they can hear His voice and feel His will for power and domination, He knows what they know, and can do exactly what they can do. As such, when Chernabog is fought, he can gain the powers of any King not killed or converted to good.
>>36080841>not so hotKekI was thinking the same thing though. Here's the alternate version
>>36080895Could be Chernabog manipulating them.
>>36080933Eh, just go ahead and take a trip if you feel you need it.
>>36080940Interesting. What if Hades had the inverted version? The more villains you kill, the more souls he has to draw power from?
>>36080946Much better. I like that a lot.Any chance that Charles Muntz could gain some land in South America for the Global Huntsman Club?
>>36080940Excellent idea! It would make it a good reason to travel the world and battle minor villains before trying to take down the Gof of Evil.
Any sign of Frankenweenie's undead beasts roaming around America?
>>36080999>Gof of Evil>I read it as Goof of Evil
>>36081019>No, Dad, no!
>>36080927I'd say that after some especially difficult task or meaningful event. Like saving someone, hearing their story and finding even more motivation to kick Evil in the nads would earn you one
>>36081049your derailing the thread. stop.
>>36081049>>36081019Where do Goofy/Mickey/Donald etc. fit in our world? Is Pete just a fat mook somewhere?
>>36081073Should they also recharge over time?
>>36081082I think most of those guys are in Doomtown fighting against Judge Doom's anti-toon reign.
>>36081082They don't.>>36081088Nor do they.
>>36081082We are trying to keep that part out for the simple reason that Scrooge would just solo the whole settingHe has 50 Levels of McDuck.
>>36080940I'm... not sure about this. I prefer the idea of Chernobog being utterly distant, simply not interacting with the world outside his realm at all.
>>36080988Here we are
>>36081115Legend tells of a vicious duck who single handedly fought off Mor'du and now resides quite comfortably in a spacious Scottish castle. Please, No Solicitors.
>>36081115It'd be the reason Chernobog has been stuck on Bald Mountain all this time: he's still fighting Scrooge.
>>36081093Nah. Let them burn away, but be ready to give some extras if the narrative would benefit from itIt'd give the players a sense to be carefull with the Power of Disney
>>36081088Well...Long John Silver is most likely a Pirate Lord.As for the rest, I'd put them in DOOMtown. Trying to make their way through life by way of their run-down theater that's underneath a DOOMway overpass. A good plot hook, trying to help them put together a big show to raise money for a worthy cause! (Or to just stay in business.)
>>36081132Well, he's the incarnation of evil, isn't he? I really don't think there are enough incarnations of evil where they just whisper evil thoughts into peoples' minds, rather than just being a big guy. For you. Somebody had to say it.
>>36081136>That Hun Empire just shits all over the entire Eastern WorldJesus christ, who came up with that?
>>36081157Long John Silver is in space, m8
>>36081171Don't fuck with the huns, Anon.Seriously thoigh it's not nearly that bad, Jaffar's empire is almost the same
>>36081171The villain from Big Hero 6 originally had Japan, Korea and the Chinese coast, but we decided that the tech level was too high for the setting. We didn't have any good substitute for Japan, though
>>36081186I was going with the Tim Curry version with the Muppets.But if we're going with Treasure Planet LJS, then sure, save him for VV:SSR.
>>36081171Do you know of anything else we could put there?
>>36081136I'm not sure what the word is for the colour of the Pridelands, but orange it ain't. That needs fixing.
>>36081220I think there might be one or two people from Aladdin the series who were Asian.However, we're trying to be as series light as possible.
>>36081211I've said it before and I'll say it again: Pirates.Then again, the EITC works as well.
>>36081226It was originally orange, but there was concern that it was too similar to the Sher Khanate, especially since Scar and Sher Khan are big time rivals.
>>36081247Then why does it still say orange?
>>36081205Yeah but the Caliphate is (presumably) the united Islamic world. They're already culturally fairly similar and certainly not prone to cultural genocide in the same way that the Hun were. Giving them that huge, diverse region means we lose Korea, Japan and Imperial China (just to name the big ones) as distinct cultural identities.Or are we messing with the time line so that the Hun haven't controlled this areas for 1000 odd years?
>>36081274Unfortunately, Disney never really made any films set in Korea or Japan, and we still have Imperial China. Why do you think Mulan hasn't been allowed to die yet?
>>36081274Timeline is handwavedAlso, the majority of China and probably japan too is in a civil war because of angry ancestor spirits, who are led by undead wight Mulan
>>36081274>distinct cultural identitiesThis is Disney. Countries don't have identities, Movies do. The cultures that exist are the ones that come from Disney movies.
>>36081321>>36081319Oh ok, that's a bit better.>>36081318I like this idea though. Singapore and some surrounding coast. Japan and other islands. Maybe South Korea? Fierce rivals with Beckett. Kraken keeps Ursula at bay which she hates.
>>36081321I'm thinking Japan should be a contested area.The EITC, the Pirates, and the Hun are all fighting over it. No one has a strong claim to it, yet.The poor people who live there are caught in the crossfire.
>>36081171>>36081205>>36081220>>36081243>>36081274Could we shift Chernobog's domain east toward the center of Euro-Asia, eating up that excess Hun Dynastic territory and giving more land to, say, Hades?
>>36081335So absence of movie means absence of culture?>>36081264Beautiful. Thank you.Shame it's not AoW.
>>36081350>Fight between Ursula and the KrakenFUND IT
>>36081270Cause I'm a dingus
>>36081355The Huns are dealing with their own civil war, I doubt they would be able to deal with additional, outside conflict. They would follow the oldest rule: Never get involved in a land war is Asia.
>>36081364This makes a lot of sense. Very good idea.
>>36081371What would we base their culture on? Real life? This is a setting made up of Disney movies. It we are dealing with real world Japan or Korea then should we have real world America?
>>36081355>Time for a 4-way Shogun Mamba
Okay, let's get these magical realms rolling.The Good/Fair:>Neverland>Wonderland>Hunded Acre WoodThe Bad>The Underworld>The Locker>The Other SideThe Three Dreamers are Wendy, Alice and Christopher Robin, who are links to their respective worlds.The Underworld is controlled/linked by Hades, the Locker by Davy Jones, and the Other Side by Dr. Facilier.Hades is sitting comfortably in his realm, being bolster by the massive loss of souls from the Villains' reign.Davy Jones (is he controlled by/partnered with Ursula right now?) is cruising around the seas looking for lost souls.Dr. Facilier at least is looking to collect the Dreamers to give their realms to his Friends in exchange for massive power.Wendy is somewhere in the seas after being forced to walk the plank by Hook, whether Davy Jones, Ursula or some other player has her, we don't know.Alice is MIA, possibly deep in Wonderland, but the Cheshire Cat is Wonderland's only link to the outside world at the moment, but as a totally neutral player, he only cares about messing with people right now. He'd need some convincing/bargaining to be of any use.Christopher Robin is in Kaa's clutches, hypnotized into believing the snake is Pooh, who in turn feeds off of the friends/animals Christopher Robin creates.Should Davy Jones and Hades have a more proactive role in the other realms? Any thoughts on Wendy or Alice's situations?
>>36081442No because we have replacement culture for America.It's just lame to wash over the entire East with a generic Hun (by far one of the worst Disney villains). Jafar having a tonne of land is fine because he's a fun character. Shen Yu is the capitol of bland.
>Ursula getting stopped by the Kraken>Can't sink Atlantis>Can't catch the pirate lords>Hasn't been discussedUrsula is just one of those villains that is gonna stay inconpetent no matter their victory, isn't sheI like to think that everybody kinda snickers at her from the back because she tries to play the part of ultimate ruler of the sea but fails
Possible expansion or added tension to DOOMtown incoming.In recent times, DOOMtown has had fissures open up all over, revealing a town deep beneath the surface; a town from before toontown was created. A town from the beginning.The town underneath leaks out onto the suface fighting Judge DOOM's control of his domain with ancient black and white toons breaking forth, uneffected by the Judge's dip. The have been tales of a darkness behind this discovery of the town-underneath, a Blot on DOOMtown's landscape sucking the color away. There has also been rumors of an ancient ally slumbering in the oldtown, one known as Oswald. Perhaps this will resolve itself, or perhaps a phantom will released onto the land.
>>36081469Davy Jones, being the biggest villain from PotC, should be free and back with his heart. He's probably on good terms with Captain Hook and his Pirate Lords, since they keep feeding him souls, but he's locked in a ferocious battle with Ursula.Wendy disappeared at sea, but Facilier doesn't know if she's with Ursula, Jones or some one else. Maybe she's actually still a prisoner of Hook, who doesn't want Never Land,his perfect hiding place, to vanish.
>>36081441>>36081364>gib land for chiboborg
>>36081461>EIC and Atlantis share a direct land borderMan, Ursula's ban on trade between the two gets more irrelevant by the day. Also, I admit I'm not familiar with Fantasia 2000, but it strikes me as odd that the Firebird- a force of nature- would occupy a defined territory. It seems more to me like it would just roam wherever, probably staying more within the spirit lands. If there is a region that you can point to and say, 'that's the Charred Lands,' it makes more sense to me that it would be along the borders with other polities, where the sorts of things that offend it are more likely to happen. That's my impression, at least.
>>36081581>chiboborg can into space
Will Alice be in the process of slowly going down the American McGee's route?I imagine being hunted by power-hungry maniacs would wear on the sanity meter.
>>36081581>gib map for people>dingus level intensifies
>>36081514... Have you read what we're doing with China? The constant civil war since he took control? The Ancestors causing all manner of problems? Undying Mulan, Her mind full of the voices of her ancestors, driving her mad and pushing her to bring honor to her family?
>>36081609That's cool but it still sucks that there's nothing specific to Japan.Can we not wrest some land from the EIC and give Davy Jones Malysia and islands leading up towards Japan? Have a Pirate Alliance between him and Hook.
>>36081603Maybe due to all the shit Alice has been through, Wonderland's become a much darker, more dangerous place. Cheshire left and came to Earth for a reason, after all. Could it be that he just decided fuck that shit because of how messed up it got?
>>36081622Official EUIV mod when?
>>36081596The charred lands are technically a part of the spirit realm. The border just shows the area that has been devastated by the firebird's activity.
>>36081652Yes. Pirates. I have been suggesting this for two days.
>>36081652Yeah, Japan's been a problem spot for a long time. There's a reason BH6 lasted for so long in there.
>>36081671Well done.>>36081693Pirate plox
>>36081693P i r a t e sirates
>>36081572>>36081652Alright, Davy Jones is allied with Hook and the other pirates.Hook made Wendy walk the plank without realizing her significance, and can't return to Neverland without her as the link. Ursula has Wendy somewhere in her clutches, so Hook allied with Davy Jones to help reclaim the girl. How's that sound?>>36081603Possibly, we're not sure what the Queen of Hearts, mad tea party or anybody else in Wonderland is doing. Some might be trying to help her escape, some might be trying to imprison her to keep Wonderland from being connected with the real world now that there's evil everywhere.
>>36081693Fuck it: Hooks's got it.
>>36081537>>36081537>>36081537Shamelessly bumping my own idea for some feedback.
>>36081364from the last thread>>36080201>>36080010>And Tai Lung wouldn't remove the Huns, just take some of their land. They've got plenty of it. I mean, Shan Yu is kind of a bland villain and his presence makes Imperial China a thing of the past. Giving Tai Lung a chunk of South China will add some diversity and give Beast player's another area to occupy outside of Africa and India.
>>36081779Tai Lung is Dreamworks. Save it for Dark Dreams. We're only including Eldorado because there's no aztec shit in Disney.
>>36081729>Ursula has WendyI like it. It's her one trump card but she doesn't even realise it.Hook doesn't dare push against her rule of the sea for fear of losing Wendy. His uneasy alliance with Jones is enforcing the same non-aggressive stance on the Pirate King but Jones is chafing and is determined to expand. He's got the Kraken and Calypso serving him and sees himself as the rightful King of the Seas, not Ursula. Beckett operates in Indonesia and detests both pirates but can't strike against either while they work together. He and Ursula have an uneasy truce that lets him travel across her waves and lets her dictate his trading policies.At any point, this complex arrangement could come crashing down.
>>36081775Maybe have the Blot as a third party in Doomtown, hates Judge Doom for what he's done to toons, but hates the modern toons for leaving him to be forgotten.
>>36081729It sounds fucking amazing!Also, it somewhat reestablishes Ursula as a serious threat: sure, Jones and Hook keep escaping her, but she's got Wendy prisoner and, with her, an escape route to Never Land.
>>36081808Ursula might know Wendy is something. The Shadow Man wants the Dreamers for his Friends and might make a deal with her.
>>36081855>Not StrawpollCartographer plz
>>36081855Strawpoll is a thing you know.
>>36081808>>36081822Ursula's always been more of a manipulator than a tyrant, so enforcing her rule of the seas is problematic.She probably knows Wendy's worth, and is waiting for Facilier to get more desperate for a better trade from him. Facilier is also waiting for Ursula to do the same, with the pirates and Atlantis pressing her hold on the seas.With Davy Jones' connection to the Locker, he probably suspects Hook is trying to get back to Neverland, but he's overlooking it at least until Wendy has been reclaimed.
>>36081883>>36081883I am not a clever man>>36081855NEW POLL: I will not look at the results of the last poll. Please vote in this polehttp://strawpoll.me/2967300
>Villains Victorious: Bad Bluth>Rasputin in Russia>Drake and an army of Penguins in the Arctic>Gnorga's Kingdom of Trolls>The Hellhound serves Chernobog>Warren T. Rat is a rival for Professor Ratigan>Jenner is Ratigan's super intelligent bodyguardThis series has legs
>>36081921Facilier providing his own kind of help to the pirates and to Atlantis sounds just like his sort of game.
>>36081855A poll! I feel fancy now!I voted for a Warring States sort of deal, because while I still think that the Huns are going to want a piece of those islands, its more fun to make them borderlands being caught over by a number of different parties: Huns, Pirates, Spirits etc. You might even e able to throw in the slightest bit of Princess Mononoke in there with gunsmiths, basic industry and enraged nature spirits.
>>36081934Hurry Hurry! Poll will close at quarter past the next hour!
All this fussing over Japan and we're missing the really fucking obvious one here. We did it for El Dorado, why not Japan?
>>36081956Facilier is helping pressure Ursula through the pirates and Atlantis as discreetly as he can.However, with Virginia pressing in on the Shadowlands, Facilier has to directly oppose them.But with the help Rourke gets against Ursula, he's split between helping Ratcliffe for more mineral wealth vs. continued support against the Ursula.Damn, this is getting complicated.
>>36081953I think we had something with Rasputin acting like Chernabog's voice to the other nations or something like that>>36081969I like the EITC and Pirates fighting for Japan with the Huns coming up and trying to make it theirs. The Pirates don't want them cause they don't like pirates and EITC doesn't want them cause EITC has little land and wants to keep some for themselves but still want a good trade relationship with the Huns
>>36082016it's Facilier, of COURSE it's complicated
>>36082016Someone needs to do a character web to lay out all the relationships
>>36082005Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away were mentioned in a previous thread and dismissed, but it may be the right time to revisit the idea, so long as we're careful.
>>36082005Already talked about it. We said no.
>>36082016>Damn, this is getting complicated.That's good: players should be go full Diplomacy here.
>>36082036we had him running Cherrybod's kingdom on a day to day basis IIRCYes there's people there, but they're basically immune to fear because it's been burnt out of them
>>36082005We ultimately decided that Studio Ghibli is just to thematically and visually distinct from Disney to fit together well.
>>36082016Facilier lives for this type of game though. Helping his enemies get at each others throats in just the right amount while keeping his own hands clean and staying in control.
>>36082080Japan is thematically and visually distinct from the rest of the world, so it kinda fits
>>36082048On what grounds?>>36082045Mononoke would give us a hyper-industrial Japan. Spirited Away would be a far more magical one. So Lady Eboshi and Yubaba are fierce rivals dueling for control of Japan?
Disney Villains victorious?
>>36082039>>36082073>>36082081I guess that's one of the reasons why the PCs don't get opposition all the time, other villains want as many advantages they can get, and the PCs in their neighbor/enemies' lands could be very beneficial.>>36082042I can work on one after I get back from class, have to leave in about half an hour.
>>36082080That's a bit weak. Pirates is live action and that franchise dominates all of Indonesia.
>>36082005El Dorado is very Disney in style and tone. Heck, there's even a couple musical numbers.I love studio Ghibli, but it's too distinct to fit into the universe
Wendy is probably turned into a zombie thing by the Horned King. Or we could say that she fled to the Land of The Bear upon his rise to power.
I think that people are overplaying how much Ursula is getting shafted by various groups.In previous threads we mentioned that the EITC pays a toll for use of specific ocean routes, meaning that they respect her authority at least, and before people mention the Kraken again, don't forget that with the Trident she has dominion over all sea creatures. That includes the Kraken.For Atlantis, the way I see it their subs are dangerous and hard to find, but they have limited numbers and a large enough investment of sea life (or throwing a kraken at it, maybe?) can still sink them. The only reason they get away with as much as they do is the fact that Ursula can't fill the seas with Sub-hunting fish teams and still maintain dominion over the merpeople.As for the land border in Japan between Atlantis and the EITC. She may not realize the Virginia through-trade going on but she's not a complete idiot. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she watches that border like a hawk, much like somebody mentioned she does with the Panama canal. (EITC are forbidden from using it, after all)
>>36082100I don't remember: I'm more of a crunch guy.
Wizards! Wizards everywhere!Oh. It's just another thread.Okay then. Let's get to work. We need a Power for every nationality and three different powers to choose from for each Class. Additionally, we need to decide on the thorny issue of stat floors for each species. On top of that, I've been hearing rumblings about a new Skill, and a need to stay out equipment properly. We also need a pile of generic traits that consist of "+2 to this skill roll" for non-combat skills. Just be careful out there, guys.
>>36082125Thematically, though, it's not too far from Disney. Magical adventures, broing it up for victory, Big Damn Heroes at the last moment, it's all there.>>36082100If you must put Ghibli in this, make it a separate splat. We're making one for Dreamworks, I'm sure we can make one for Ghibli eventually. For now, focus on Disney.
>>36082148I meant Alice. Fuck.
>>36082154SHIT HIDE THE WANDS... Hey Bod, nice to see you again... How are you?
>>36082149If Ursula had a leash on Calypso too, that'd give her more power, plus Davy Jones incentive to both attack and fear Ursula.
>>36082165Right but we're worried about Japan not having much going on. So by the same logic that we included El Dorado, we could certainly include Spirited Away in Japan and expand with other Ghibli films in an expansion.
>>36082165Who are the villains in Ghibli films? Are there defined, through and through, evil guys? Cause most people who are the bad guys in Ghibli are a bit morally ambiguous. At worst they are doing bad things for the right reasons. At best they are heroes who failed.
>>36082045>DVV: Ghibli emones pls.
>>36082188Why would she have Calypso? If anyone would, it would be Beckett.>>36082220Well, it's decided
>>36082148>>36082174Ok, also nice. Not the zombie thing, of course: the escaped to the Land of the Bear part.Maybe she left Wonder land when she realized it was getting darker than it used to be. But why is that? What's creeping into the once silly land of Wonder Land?
>>36082226She's allied with Beckett, isn't she?
>>36082148Wendy came into exist waaaaay after the Horned King rose to power.
>>36082154Nob, check out the beginning of the thread and tell me if the rules as they are now are fine with you.
>>36081274Taking a page from the Ilkhanate, mongols didn't really give much of a shit about the culture of the people they ruled. They also collapsed because they didn't give much of a shit about agriculture or beuaracracy, so it can be assumed that if they've managed to endure it's because Shan Yu was smart enough to let the locals do what they knew how to keep things running
>>36082211In some, yes. In others, no. For example, the West is the villain in Grave of the Fireflies. Or the abusive aunt and uncle. Although, of all Ghibli movies, that one fits least, as not only were nukes never developed in this world (or were they?), there was never a WWI, let alone a WWII. Also it's already more depressing than most of the shit in this setting
>>36082188I like working with Calypso as still bound. When she gets released she plays at the same level of Ursula in control of the oceans and makes things harder for everyone to use the water.>Captcha: confirmed assingfryup, Calypso is a confirmed assing
>>36082211That's an interesting point. There's certainly a lot that wouldn't make the cut. Fujimoto from Ponyo for example is the villain of the film but would have no place in our world as a benevolent sea sorcerer. Similarly, Lady Eboshi from Mononoke isn't evil, just misguided.And then there's something like Totoro which out and out doesn't have any villains, unless you count illness and missing children as 'villains'.
>>36082278Fuck missing children: they are the worst.
>>36082154I had come up with a couple powers for Atlanteans:>Speaking the Mother Tongue: Fluency in the ancient Atlantean language aids in the deciphering of other foreign, eldritch and encoded languages. >Healing Crystals: The power of Kidagakash, the Heart of Atlantis resides within the character and within the crystal hanging around her neck. This power may be used once a day to heal minor wounds and once a campaign to heal a life threatening wound.Is having one Power enough per nation? Should three be offered to choose between?
>>36082302Worse than Cherno.
>>36082278Elsa is insane but not evil, so we could use Lady Eboshi...?
>>36082154We laid some of this stuff out last thread. I heard humans were already basically done, so myself and some other anons worked out some stats for Beasts and Pixies/Fae.Beasts:Beasts will always have a -2 penalty on any Linguistics/Communication roll towards non-beast characters.>Big Cats:Size: Medium (No idea how size can play into anything right now, but its there when we figure it out.)Natural Weapons: Slash (No idea on stats for weapons), biteRacial Traits: Pounce (Something with first attack, but I don't know how its been decided that something of that sort would work.)Camouflage- +2 or some other value on Stealth rolls in environments with tall grass or of similar color scheme to the character. Any factors that influence appearance make this bonus go away.>Bear:Size: LargeNatural Weapons: Slash, BiteRacial Traits:Bear Hug- +2 on Sensibility based rolls with a friendly character.Hibernation- Can sleep for a to-be-determined period of time to remove a strikeThick-Hide- +2 on defensive rolls. Replaces HibernationBear Necessities- Halves score required for any Survival based roll.>Ape/Monkey:Size: Small to LargeNatural Weapons: Punch, grappleRacial Traits:Wanna Be Like You- +2 on communication rolls with friendly charactersMonkeyin' Around- An ape or monkey of size small or smaller gets +2 on a roll that involves disruption if it is ever determined there will be one; replaces Wanna Be Like YouKnowledge of the Red-Flower- Replaces Wanna Be Like You and Monkeyin' Around. Character can light a fire with one required material as opposed to all of the prerequisites. +2 on rolls relating to fire.Tail- Requires size small and tail. +2 Agility, +1 Charisma, and -2 Robustness. Bonus to movement if climbing.No-Tail- Requires size medium or above and character must not have a tail. +2 Robustness, +1 Will, +1 Sensibility.
>>36082302One time missing children beat me up and stole my wallet. jokes on them, I just left Louisiana. HA!
>>36082310Always at least three.
>>36082326Pixies:Size: Tiny (About the size as tall as the distance from the heel of your palm to the tip of your middle finger, varying depending on hand size and pixie height, and with human proportionsRacial Traits:Tiny - Can fit through small spaces (GM's discretion), +10 to Avoid Harm when using dexterity, only 2 strikesFlight: Can flyPixie Dust: No strength modifiers from size, but still suffers normal penalties for objects of a different size category
Reminder that our motto is Disney as fuck, not Ghibli as fuck.
>>36082326I did Crocodiles. Odd I know, but with Louis, Tick Tock, Brutus, and Nero. There's precedent. Maybe also snakes, that can take venom, constriction, lesser hypnotism and manipulator-tails>CrocodilianSize: Small to LargeNatural Weapons: Bite, Tail Racial Traits:Rivergoer - No penalty to movement in water, slowed movement on landAll-Natural Armour - +2 on defensive rolls.Tick-tock, feed the Croc - +2 to intimidate PiratesCrocodile Tears - +1 to BluffProbably some more traits.Can't think of any more.
>>36082370Reminder that the moment we decided to include El Dorado, we opened ourselves up to properties outside of Disney
>>36082395El Dorado is, however, Disney As Fuck.
>>36082395Reminder that your waifu a shit.
>>36082395El Dorado is the exception rather than the rule.
>>36082392Yeah, I forgot that one. The fact is, however, that there are simply too many animals in Disney and its going to be hard to come up with stats for a majority of them.
>>36082343If this is the case, I'll include the other I made for that character. It's still Atlantean, seeing as how technological they are, but other suggestions are really welcome.>Speaking the Mother Tongue: Fluency in the ancient Atlantean language aids in the deciphering of other foreign, eldritch and encoded languages. >Percussive Maintenance: If a mechanics check is failed, the mechanic may once per day use Percussive Maintenance, striking the device hard with a fist, foot or wrench, fixing, disarming or manipulating it as needed.>Healing Crystals: The power of Kidagakash, the Heart of Atlantis resides within the character and within the crystal hanging around her neck. This power may be used once a day to heal minor wounds and once a campaign to heal a life threatening wound.
>>36082323Again, the state of Arendelle is a result of Hans being victorious. Anna saved Elsa, but wasn't unfrozen afterwords. Elsa went mad with grief and made the icy clusterfuck that is Scandinavia, while Hans escaped to the Mirror Kingdom.
>>36082230 Tim Burton
>>36082416Maybe they could be broken up thematically instead of by species?
>>36082416Bears, Big Cats, Crocodilians, Snakes, Primates, Canines, maybe some birds and insects. Limit it to that.
>>36082417Percussive Maintenance is perfect. Shit, that's even how Milo got the digger working again.
>>36082230Perhaps Alice is plagued by the beasts and monsters of Wonderland and has taken refuge with the Hunters' Club out of desperation. They gladly let her in because of all the strange and wondrous creatures they get to shoot in defending her.
>>36082416>>36082392What species should we absolutely make stats for?I am thinking, including the ones already compiled, big cats, domestic cats, canines, bear, crocodile, snake, lizard, dinosaurs, birds, primates, elephants, crickets, mice, and others that can be added.
>>36082413Yeah, we made an exception because there was a big hole in our map and a fun film with an interesting mythology that fit well into that slot. It happened to be Dreamworks.Spirited Away serves a similar purpose for Japan but has the added benefit of being distributed by Disney. It also has a great world, another villainous witch and plenty of character with which to flesh out Japan. It's worth considering and shouldn't just be written off because 'muh dusnee'
>>36082429And now Hans spends his days ruling over Corona, satisfied with his success in finally being king of something rather than just the 12th in line to the throne for the Southern Isles
should we make so that players can experience what happens if they attack the King of an area without due preparation on their part
>>36082448Or maybe by size?>Tiny: Bugs, mice, Small birds>Small: Cats, Rabbits, Snakes/Lizards, Large birds>Medium: Dogs, Wolves, Monkeys,>Large: Apes, Big Cats, Horses, Crocodiles>Huge: Bears, Elephants, Rhinos/Hippoes
>>36080351No, and it's dumb as shit she has a realm to herself. Pleasure Island should be a thing off the coast of Italy someplace, and the enormous fucking whale should be a thing as a primal beast of the sea, one of the only sea creatures with the power to tell Ursula to just fuck off.
>>36082521humans would be med-large then?
>>36082395No, because El Dorado is Disney as fuck as well. Ghibli isn't. If it looks and feels like Disney, and it meshes well with the rest of our setting, it fits. Ghibli doesn't look or feel remotely Disney-esque most of the time.
>>36082473Ah, this is even better: I love the idea of the sweet girl staying with the big bag hunters, hiding from the once colorful and now creepy beasts that keep finding her. It also gives some more pnch to the hunters.
>>36082521>>36082448Wonderful ideas. I can take charge in statting out these species/categories.
>>36082527Who would win in a fight between Ursula, Monstro and the Kraken?
Wasn't there some talk about giving part of S America to the Hunters because of the guy from Up?
>>36082539Yeah, something like that. Dinosaurs could also be huge
>>36082565Ursula since she can control both of them with the Trident.
>>36082565Ursula's the only one of the three who can hurt from a distance. With the Trident she can just swim around zapping them from a distance
>>36082565Ursula. She's got a pointy stick, and 50,000 years of human history indicates that pointy stick > any animal.
>>36080607Alice is still in the Queen of Heart's court, and has become quite mad. She fits in very well in Wonderland and appears to be being groomed as the Queen of Heart's successor.
>>36082573Yeah, I gave inland Venezuela to the hunters. It should be on the more recent maps
>>36082547Alice would need some heavy convincing to reclaim Wonderland, being as frightened as she is.Of course, the Big Game Hunters wouldn't like the PCs spoiling their fun, so that's a good source of conflict for the non-beast groups.
>>36082527The place in South America is where all the good fairies and fae went when the evil took over. as for Pleasure Island sure that sounds good. I don't know about the whale because Ursula has control over the Kraken.
>>36082521Not for players, but if we're noting sizes in general then there should be one more.>Mythic: Chernobog, The Leviathan, The Titans
>>36082540>yfw Cats Don't Dance has more of a chance of getting in than fucking Spirited Away
Trying to lay out the relationship between the four-way Jungle Book area in Asia.>King Louis is, as previously established, a Caligula-like figure, prone to arson. He is still obsessed with becoming more human, and often has members of his court act out the roles of various world leaders so he can play at defeating them. He has designs on expanding his territory, emulating the wars in Europe, but fear of Sher Khan keeps him in place for now.>Kaa stands in firm contrast to this. He has no interest in expansion, and with Christopher Robin under his thrall he possesses a theoretically-unlimited supply of food. Life under Kaa is hedonistic to a fault, and the great snake goes from idle intellectual pursuits to mindlessly devouring his eager subjects at the drop of a hat. >While actually expanding his borders doesn't interest him, Kaa has discovered a certain pleasure in having humans under his control, and thus a strange trade exists between him and Louis. Humans who show up in either of the King's terrirtory (usually EITC ships straying too far from the routes permitted by Ursula) are hypnotized, made to share their knowledge with Louis to increase his knowledge of Man, and are then kept by Kaa for his amusement. Lately Sher Khan has made a habit of intercepting these trades to assert his superiority over the other two Kings, and now they both share an interest in overthrowing him.>Khan keeps the land around him in check; no-one wants to deal with the tiger, not even the humans on his borders, and the knowledge of what would happen to those who cross him ensures his neighbours don't forget their place. His land is more of a hunting ground than a kingdom, inhabitants too terrified to attempt escape. The King has no real notion of diplomacy, seeing it beneath him, and simply demands tribute of the other beast-kings when it suits him.Then there's Bagheera I guess.
>>36082596That may be another reason for Alice fleeing Wonderland, the Queen of Hearts wants to keep her as mad as possible to continue her reign of terror, and the instant Alice sets foot back in Wonderland, she will stop at nothing to reclaim the girl.
>>36080811>But then were are the Egyptian Gods? Are they still around?Sure.>And how powerful are they compared to Hades?Comparable, but they don't directly interfere with the mortal world much. Ramses II is a living God himself though, and his priests can call on the pantheon for favors.>>36080820That too.
>>36082609If it fits then we shall add it but Ghibli has such a unique feel to their films that it doesn't feel like it meshes well with the Disney world we're crafting here
>>36080030Entirely correct. (except, Robustness isn't usually in all-caps because it looks out of place.)>>36080052Mostly correct. Putting one point in a skill doesn't raise it to three, it raises it to one. However, that one point gives a +3 bonus. Trust me, this makes skillpoint math simpler later. The skill bonus is between +3 and +8.>>36080101Correct as it stands, but I was considering allowing Robustness to be used for ranged weapons in close quarters -- shotguns, blunderbuss, hunting rifles by the Hunters Guild, etc. Also: Once your three strikes are out, you aren't down yet. Once you take one more 'strike' you are defeated by whatever hit you.>>36080158Correct.>>36080349We just ignore it, basically.>>36080360>>36080544Seems to be in accord with what we've written so far.>>36080927I think two to start is a good beginning limit.>>36080954Trips are different from namefagging, I'll point out. and much worse>>36081115I'll be statting out the heroic titans of this setting later, and I guess Scrooge has to be one now.>>36082179Doing good, thanks. Can't stick around for long though, this paper won't write itself. Y'all will be on your own tonight.>>36082255See above. >>36082310I think three choices is for the best.>>36082326These seem to have a lot of bonuses without penalties to make them like humans. Perhaps they only get eight skill points to start, or something? Or is their... beast-ness enough to be a disadvantage, especially in civilized areas?>>36082355Good. Allows punchfaeires ATATATATATATATATATATAT without breaking suspension of disbelief. Keep in mind that Strikes are social as well, so pixies are weak to social pressure.>>36082392Change Armor to +2 withstand, and that should work just fine. Possibly a bit UP, up that bonus on intimidate to +3 or even +4.(cont.)
>>36082527Pleasure Island is actually in Venice. It's just kinda hard to see from a world map.I don't think we ever fleshed out the refuge of the fair, though. What is the Blue fairy doing during all of this?
>>36079994gaston, prince john, hades and ursula are the best, jafar just loks like a glass dildo
>>36081082Killed with the rest of the Toons by Judge Doom. Maybe living in squalor in the shanytowns beneath the sprawling overpasses of Doomtown.
Well, class calls, I'll be back in 4 hours, more or less.I'll try to start a villain relationship chart during the slow points.
>>36082264I think we decided that Calypso was still bound in human form, and that finding the Pieces of Eight and deciding to release her, bind her, or keep her human was to be a good example of an adventure.
>>36082417Powers seem interesting. Players should really only have two powers starting off though.Speak the Mother Tongue seems kind of.. weak? I'm not sure how it'd be used frequently compared to the other two.Healing Crystals is a nice power, but due to how the Strikes System works should probably be clarified to remove a Strike instead of 'healing minor wounds'. Saving someone's life is perfectly in character for the power and balanced if you lose it afterwards.>>36082476I think that's a lot, but we'll probably need it for the million animal species out there. At least they just need to be variations on humans stat-wise.>>36082485I'm not sure why we're really bothering with Japan. Just give it to the forest spirits from Princess Mononoke -- they kill people who come there, and it wards off the weaboos.>>36082512Clarify.>>36082521This gives a good set of size categories as well. Nice, Dread. May want to include "Strange" as a small animal type as well, for something like Stitch.That's all for now.
>>36082728Sounds like some fun that could be had but I question why the players would do it. Sure, it makes things for difficult for Ursula but outside of that what help would it be?
>>36082664>Once your three strikes are out, you aren't down yet. Once you take one more 'strike' you are defeated by whatever hit you.That's what it says, if you read it carefully.>Putting one point in a skill doesn't raise it to three, it raises it to one. However, that one point gives a +3 bonus. Trust me, this makes skillpoint math simpler later. The skill bonus is between +3 and +8.Same thing, so no problem there.>I think two to start is a good beginning limit.You mean three, right?
ATTENTION EVERYONE, POLL FOR JAPAN IS NOW CLOSEDResults: http://strawpoll.me/2967300/rI will be posting the most up to date map shortly. Pirates will now have a portion of Japan, but the other factions will continue to have some too.
>>36082763>Just give it to the forest spirits from Princess Mononoke -- they kill people who come there, and it wards off the weaboos.I can dig it. Hell, it doesn't even need to be specific. Just reference to Ghostly Wolves serving a vast God-like Stag with the face of a human.Expand on them in a future expansion if necessary.
>>36082765It could also be seen as a blow to the EITC, Atlantis, and the Pirates.Or someone has come up with a NEW binding spell, it's one thing to have a Goddess locked as a human, but to have one under your control?Lots of possibilities, both for Good, Good-ish, and Evil campaigns.
>>36082782>>36082791So how can we make these 2 ideas work together? Pirates respecting the spirits? EITC trying to wipe them out? Huns not giving fucks?captcha: ngestivr mankindDigesting mankind? oh dear
>>36082836capcha has spoken!in all seriousness, give the pirates the coastal areas, the spirits get the inland
>>36082768Two or three willpower points are fine. Bit reminiscent of Dark Heresy in that way.Yeah, like I said, you got 95% of it entirely correct, and what was left was grammar nitpicks and minor corrections.
So I've been considering the defenses of Atlantis itself, and I think I've come up with an interesting idea.The Shield of the city is powerful, and can stop an endless attack by sea creatures, but Ursula herself could eventually batter it down with the power of the Trident.What keeps her at bay is not the passive defense of the city but the active defense that is the Leviathan. It is is massive enough to be able to overpower her if it came to blows and its weaponry can hurt her while its thick armor can shrug off multiple trident hits before it takes damage.What keeps Leviathan from giving Atlantis complete dominance over the seas is the fact that it is appears to be damaged. The Imperial Republic has managed to uncover a handful of the old commands, but it does not respond; remaining in passive City Defense mode.The only thing that it does appear to recognize is a sound signal that Atlantean subs and airships can broadcast, a sort of sonic IFF identifying them as friendly. The downside to this system is that it takes time to warm up and tune properly, meaning that the process should be started before entering Leviathan's range. The other down-side is that sea creatures can hear the pulses for miles around, so any Atlantean vehicle approaching the city loses the advantage of stealth.It is not uncommon, then, for Ursula to send some of her most dangerous creatures to wait just outside the Leviathan's territory and try to ambush returning Submarines. This had lead to the return home actually being considered the most dangerous part of any voyage, as more subs have been lost this way than any other.
Adventure Idea: PCs are members of the Elite Global Huntsman Club, assigned with taking out the Beast-Kings. Rival hunters are the enemies and allies are McLeah, Clayton and Gaston.
>>36082862Pirates can't into inland expansion because of ambiguous Forest Spirits? Cool
>>36082900more specifically, the eastern coasts, the western coasts are probably dangerous because the huns are also probing Japan, looking for anything they might want
Is there a place where we can organize racial stats and such? Just so a more organized effort can be made to compare them on a power-level basis.
>>36082935Make a pastebin.
I'm not going to make a new poll, but I like the Ghibli spirit idea. Yes, no?
>>36082935>racial statsNips get +2 INT
>>36082960Yes. Keep them very ambiguous. We're basically putting a sign down that says 'Do Not Go Here'.
>>36082988Nips are all food for the wolves.>>36082960Yes. Make it like Chernabog, in that the villains (pirates and Huns) just don't send people into the forests anymore. The wolves are especially hungry there. >>36082880Good idea.
>>36082863Point of order: we shouldn't allow ROBUSTNESS! to be used for guns and rifles. Javelins, rocks and throwing knives, sure, but being more precise with a shotgun thanks to your muscles breaks the narrative.Let's talk about bows and crossbows. I think they should both rely on Agility, but that bows would need a minimum ROBUSTNESS! to be used, while crossbows would be slower. Like, it would take one action or two to recharge them.Weapons should give a small bonus to Melee or Ranged, but nothing more complex like reach: a fighter should be able to switch between weapons without thinking too much about it (unless of course he specialized in a specific weapon).
>>36082960Actually, a new poll would probably be fairesthttp://strawpoll.me/2967767Poll closes at the end of the hour
>>36082960No, no Ghibli. We Disney here.
And we are at bump limit. That was fast. >>36083052Fair enough. I just wanted Strong Men to be able to use guns, much like Gaston, etc.>>36083099It'll get the people whining about no Spirited Away to STFU, and there'll be no reason for heroes to ever go there.
we're on autosage
>>36082573He's part of the Elite Global Hunter's Guild.>>36082575TheorisingCarnosaurSize: Large to HugeNatural Weapons: Bite, ChargeRacial Traits:Lizard King: +2 to Persuasion of reptiliansTyrant's Roar - Can force an enemy to skip an action in place of the player attacking, perhaps? Kind of a support power, wouldn't work on bosses.Slicing Teeth: +2 to Strike unarmoured foesORBonecruncher: Ignores ArmourBull Charge: May charge into combatORGo the Distance: (Not sure, some sort of stamina thing.)
>>36079994>>36079994Perhaps for fun, we could talk about how each hero failed, and their fate?>Miguel and Tulio: after denying the human sacrifices, they are found out, and sacrificed them selves along with Chel. They are all interred into giant statues alive, each depicting their likeness. These statues are eventually animated and serve as Tzekel-tans personal guards Anna: After stopping Hans from killing Elsa and getting frozen, Anna remains frozen for quite some time, before being rediscovered by Elsa. In desperation(not love), she animates statue ala Olaf in a hope to return her sister, but insteads only creates a faux version of her made up of the bits and scraps of their interaction. Horrified by what she did, she fled and began to spiral even deeper into her madness. The now sentient Anna statue wanders around the ruins of Arendelle castle, looking for the memories that might make her perfect in her creators eyesMowgli: After teaching King Louie nature of the Red flower, he flees into the wasteland. Baloo tries to rescue him from Sher Khan, but by the time Bagheera arrives, both are corpses and Sher khan is feasting on Mowgli. Over come with rage, Baheera and Sher Khan clash through the wasteland. Although weaker then him, Bagheera is able to bite off one of Sher khans ears and disfigure Khans's face. Now angry and Tired of this sharade, Shere Khan goes in for the kill. Bagheera expects the worse and accepts his fate, but is saved by the timely intervention of the Vultures.Belle: after fleeing from the burning and ruined castle of the beast, she wanders deep into the faelands where she meets the enchantress who originally placed the curse upon the beast. Telling her that beast had found love, but died from the foolishness and cruelty of Gaston and the villagers, the Enchantress bestowed upon Belle what she desired most: Revenge. As the green mist envolped her, Belle faded away, and with the twisted laughing of the fae, a new beast emerged.
On the subject of Ghibli spirits:As long as I can pretend they're just regular ancestor spirits, I'm fine with it. Use a generic Spirit template, and let me keep it or refluff it as I please. That way, both the Ghiblifags AND the Disneyfags get what they want. Compromise, ladies and gents.
>>36082872I can dig itI do, in fact, dig it. A lot.You are deserving of twenty internets and one level of McDuck by now, my friend, seeing all the cool things you've done
>>36083116Strong Guys like Gaston alway use shotguns, yes, but we never see them actually hit something with them.Still, we should probably make a connection between them. Maybe shotguns give a very high bonus to hit, but they also need a very high ROBUSTNESS! to be used.This way the result is still pretty much the same, but it's conceptually more acceptable. It also rewards Strong Guys that didn't dump Agility, so that's good.
>>36083201Ooh, idea regarding Anna:People resurrected by Elsa after she uses her powers have parts of their personality for a while. However, their minds deteriorate just as hers did. Those who are aware of this typically seek to kill Elsa, or force her to destroy them - it's her power that animates them, so if she dies then they can die as well. However, if they're too late, what's left goes as well, and they basically go hollow and become Frostwights. (Alternate names will be considered.)
>>36083210Well they're nature spirits that resemble Wolves. If you can make that work as ancestor crap, then go for it.(What Mulan's Chinese Ancestors are doing in Japan, I have no idea, but such is the way of the Disneyfag)
'sup guys I'm finally back here to help-- Aww, hell, we're on autosage.Well, before the new thread starts, Imperial Houses anon here. I was thinking about making some characterization for each sucessor of the Twleve Imperial Houses in China, just so the politics game can actually be applied better. The spirits can come in too many forms, so I'll let the GMs decide what kind of spirits they want to be the ancestors.I was thinking about dividing the ancestors into good and evil just so it will be easier for the parties to decide; twelve options is a whole lot.Anybody got ideas?
>>36083201I think we should leave hero's fates to the games DM. Let them decide what happened to the heroes and how that works into the story
>>36083210The way I see it, Ghibli stuff, especially the Princess Mononoke stuff, already is regular Japanese mythology. Hell, call them Spirits of the Land or something, make it non-specific in order to open the possibility of other mythologies in other areas. That way, there'll always be something for the Hunters to hunt, and for the PCs to fight without interfering in politics (if they don't want to for whatever reason).
>>36082596I like that
>>36082417>>36082763Two thoughts driving home:Healing Crystals could also be used also to passively prevent strikes from being accrued by disease in general, can remove strikes caused by light wounds, and prevent a character death by heavy wounds or disease.Speaking the Mother Tongue's name should be changed to Atlantean Omniglot because it sounds funnier. The idea behind it would be that an Atlantean character could conceivably speak any language and read any language if familiarized with the alphabet. It might be more of a flavor power, but is one specifically from the movie that I feel strongly could be a lot of fun.
>>36083292I'm with this. There's way too many varied fates that can happen to them. I'd still like to do something with the Power of Love, since this is Disney.Special buffs? Allow for re-rolls? Grant a temporary bonus strike?
>>36083224You don't need to be strong to use them but if you aren't strong enough, recoil is gonna be a fucking bitch. Big Weapons have a minimum ROB threshold. If you're below that threshold you roll 1D6. Subtract one from your roll for every point below the threshold you are. And the there's some sort of chart that shows you what happened.6: (Unobtainable)5: You manage to control the recoil without incident.4: The weapon slips from your hands delaying the time until you can make another shot3: The recoil throws your shot off completely adding a negative effect on your chance to hit2: You fumble and drop the weapon. It takes much longer before you can next fire, the weapon is damaged (if we have a way to model that) and your shot goes wide.1: The weapon smacks you in the face. Deduct one strike.Or something like that.
>>36082609>Doom has a daughter>Guess who
>>36083389I like this because we should avoid Hard Caps wherever possible. Your skills should never stop you from trying something, they just stack negative effects on you if you're below the required skill level.
>>36083389Workable and flavorful. I like it. Should Atlantean LASER GUNS suffer the same effects?
>>36083402Actually kind of genius.>She hates the Beast Kingdoms with a passion and is escorted by her vast butler
>>36083272The same thing Ghibli's spirits are doing in Disney, I should think. Besides, the Huns are going after Japan, right? Where the Huns go, the Ancestors follow, because that's the only way they'll wipe out all of them.
>>36083389Already too complex for this sytem. A Penalty, yes, but the table is too much: we don't want people checking tables during the game.
Archiving the thread!http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Disney+Villains+VictoriousPlease remember to vote!
>>36083426Bazookas, probably. Smaller rifles and stuff probably not
>>36083450Nob, put your name back on.
>>36083426Less about how the recoil messes you up, and more about how the Crystals are finicky pieces of tech. Overloads, recharging, and so on.
>>36083450Yeah, I worried it was too complex. Maybe just reduce it to something more simple. If you're not ROBUST! enough to use a weapon then you always suffer a strike unless you can roll a 6?
>>36083482I already agreed to it! Guns aren't magical or anything.
>>36083210>>36083272>>36083447>>36083304In conclusion, there are generic nature spirits that may or may not be Ghibli-related. Do what you will with them.>>36083500We're just teasing, Nob.What if the crystals are magic? What if they were put there by a wizard?
>>36083498>Weakling with a Shotgun is confronted by three enemies>He fires on all three, fuck the recoil>Smashes himself in the face three times>Spitting teeth everywhere, he goes to sleep
>>36083526Don't stress the poor fellow.
>>36083482No, it's me, ROBUSTNESS! guy.I just think that, if we make a narrativist game with very few rules, tables for shotguns are a bad way to go.A - 2 penalty to hit for every point you're under the ROBUSTNESS! required is okay, but tables are not. Just leave that to the GM if the attack misses by a lot.Fuck, we need Critical Failures rules!
>>36080518>Treasure Planet.My nigger, btw, who'se the actual Antagonist in it? Scroop?
>>36083532>He takes one Strike for each shot>Took it for the team
>>36083242I don't see why that would happen. My idea is that she just uses the statues to make entirely new beings, like Olaf. Shes not summoning up the old minds, shes patch working what she knows about the person into a new one
>>36083546I've been meaning to give you this
>>36083578But he turns good at the end.
>>36083561He's been pushed to the Second Star splat.
Gents, we need to be very, very careful what we do with this project and where we use it. You know what Disney can be like with its C&Ds.>>36083580She gives them patchwork personalities, yes, and then those start to deteriorate. Ice melts, and you can't make a mind out of ice unless you're constantly freezing it, like she effectively does by attaching herself to her Snowlems.
>>36083613I'm flattered.Flattered and ROBUST!
>>36083630So the Snow people would be fine as long as they stay in the parts of Arendelle that are below freezing?
>>36083630Dude, Arrendelle is in constant sub zero temperature.They ARE constantly freezingHell, she could do that without going mad. Remember how she prevent Olaf from melting at the end of the movie by making him his own snow cloud?
>>36083630I'd be honored if we actually got a C&D, though. Who are they going to send it to? Anon? Also, this project isn't making any money so as long as we try to avoid monetizing it I'm pretty sure we'll be fine.
>>36083630The most we can do to keep Disney off our asses is not make money off of it.
Also, talking about ROBUSTNESS!Here, have a punch fairy.
>>36083630Why woulld Disney be bothered by this if we are just having some fun? We aren't going to try to sell this and it'll just be free for anyone to see on the 1d4 page>>36083700I knew I would one day be able to use this image outside of /vp/
>>36083580I agree. I like the idea of an animated Ice Anna being like Olaf in that she is bumbling and goofy, and think that she ought to be very much aware that she isn't the real Anna but a golem playing the roe of her. I think that it could possibly have some pretty great black humor potential:>"How was my performance? Was I convincing? There are just so few people around these days who remember what Anna was like, and you knooooooooooooooooooooooow I can't just ask Elsa for pointers on being her sister 'cause then she'll just frump and grump and sulk and drop the temperature another few degrees. Snow Queen? More like Draaaaaaaaaaaama Queen!"
Poll results are in!http://strawpoll.me/2967767/rGhibli spirits are victorious, they will get inland Japan. I will post the map in the new thread when it is made.
>>36083650>>36083658Okay, take out the analogy for freezing. Let's just put it this way: Magical constructs deteriorate. You can prevent this by keeping them in a non-deteriorating environment. Elsa does this with Olaf's body with his own snow cloud, and with her Snowlems by attaching them to herself mentally. Minds and personalities created solely by magic will deteriorate over time. Olaf hadn't started decaying by the end of the film, but you create a creature that can live forever with the mind of a human (or most of the mind of a human) and they'll go nuts eventually.>>36083700>dat second one from the leftOh damn
>>36083748Elsa just controls ice, dudeLet's not make her powers too complex, there's no need for that. The snow monsters and people she creates come to life but that's pretty much it.Wasn't there an old movie about two kids making a snowman that came to life, anyway?
>>36083630But the snowlems and the true ice people are basically the same. I guess the people who are just frozen over would eventually fall apart mentally, but for beings like Olaf or the Fake Anna, I see no reason for them to deteriorate, especially when they have little of a mind to begin with. Perhaps thats the difference, True Snolems like Marshmallow, Olaf and Ice Anna need to have a part of Elsa activelly keeping them alive and sentient, while the Hallowed can remain sentient without Elsas magic, but eventually they fade out and become mindless like te cauldron born
>>36083745Can we not make it obvious that it's Ghibli? As said, not all of us want Ghibli in our Disney, but we're happy as long as we keep it vague and keep it fluffable. Well, I am, anyway.
>>36083748But that takes hundreds and hundreds of years. If were going by Hans still being alive, they should be stable enough by the time the players get there
>>36083845>I know we just voted on it but remember, some people voted the other way so we should ignore the pollwutYou can fluff them out however you like. Don't worry, anon.
>>36083845I have the land labeled as "Shinto Spirits" with the leader and film as Shishigami and Princess Mononoke. The exact nature of the place could be DM discretion, especially since the spirits are pretty isolationist
>>36083845see this guy >>36083210
>>36083739>Fake Anna playing pretend with the frozon corpses of Arendelle, posing them at tables, walking about and partying. Shes also one of the few friends that Olaf has to play with
>>36083837>he's voiced by Mowgli
>>36083739>>36083934>Bubbly always optimist Anna golemIt's not Anna per se, but still, m-muh heart
>>36083739>"I know that I'm not reeeeeeeeeeeally the Snow Queen's sister, Princess Anna of Arendelle, but I look like her.">"And I'm kiiiiiinda made out of her.">"So that's alllllllllllllllmost as good, and you should proooooooooobably listen to my advice before you try and go in there and confront Elsa."
>>36083847meh, in a setting where immortality is a thing hundred of years could not matter much. Hans, being a capable leader and rather handsome, might be kept alive by Grimhilda so she doesn't have to deal with getting a new governor for her territories.
Can someone explain Frollo's distribution? Why does he randomly have Paris way out in the middle of the Faerie? Why does he have a few nothing realms around the coast? Why is Rome at the edge of his realm instead of its heart?
>>36083978Hans is alive because his ruler is LAZY?
>>36083837SILLY OLD BEAR
>>36083991and cause he's pretty. those chops
>>36083977I read it in her voice.>>36083991Less lazy and more the fact that Hans has kissed ass like he has never kissed ass before to get where he is. If he died of old age Grimhilde would have to look far and wide to find a noble halfway as sycophantic as he is.
>>36083989because he's Parisian, but also the Pope
>>36083991The best kind of immortality: laziness is reliable.
>>36083991I think it's because he kissed arse like no other, and Grimhilde does love her sycophants.
>>36083989Europe needs some improvements, especially Frollo's lands.There needs to be a major Catholic/Islam border for a start and it doesn't make much sense for the Germanic/Frankish Faerie to be anywhere in Hispania.
>>36083989Frollo owns all of France and Northern Italy de jure, but outside of Paris and the italian coast, the land is controlled by Maleficent
One thing that occured to me. Two, actually.One, when is the next thread?Two, how is Frollo keeping up with all the magicm umbo jumbo LITERALLY in every direction from him? I know his Inquisition is badass, but without some anti-magical crap they are going to just get fucked.Is their Fire magical in some way and just fucks over magic things? At least Maleficent, since iron and fire were said to be the weaknesses of spirits and fae?
>>36083989He's the Anti Pope Victorious, of course.Read a book, anon.
>>36084029>>36084038Frollo's a Chibibug worshiping litch, who keeps the trappings of catholocism
>>36084021It's noted that Frollo claims dominion over all of France, but outside of the major cities the Fey have far more day-to-day control than he does.An inquisitor possibly coming to MAYBE visit your village once a year is far less scary than the spirits that you know live in the woods just outside of town year round, after all.I agree with >>36084029 partially though. He should definitely have uncontested control over the south of France and Northern Iberia
>>36084038Chernobog is secretly controlly him under the guise of God.
>>36084029It's just where the faerie are roaming around now. There are no good fey keeping the nasties in check.>>36084038Next Thread ready to launch at page 7.Fey don't like fire or the cauldron-mist in northern france.
>>36084021Right but how the hell can he afford to maintain control of Paris when he has to haul ass through inhospitable faerie realms just to communicate with it. Either Paris is taken by the Fae or at least it goes independent of Frollo simply because he can't communicate with the people there.I get that he's French but it makes no sense just to randomly hand him Paris.
>>36084031>de jureParadaox pls go
>>36084069New Thread here>>36084081
>>36083991Why not Catholic-looking Satanism?All the big golden bling, only with pentagrams instead of crucifixes.
>>36084038He's a lich devoted to the Cult of Chernobog, but also a powerful alchemist on his own.He was one in the Animated Series, right? I'm not the only one to remember that, right?
Are we really having Frollo worship Chernabog? Really?I feel like that's kinda crapping on his character. IN the movie he was incredibly zealous of his faith and even as he was about ot sword Quasimodo he was quoting the bible.I think it's a cheap way out to just say "eh, he swiched sides"I mean, come on, the guy's a Lich. Maybe he IS a lich because of a gypsy curse, and now he employs counter-runes in all of his Inquisition's weapons?
>>36083671Send it to moot himself, 1d4chan, suptg, the moe archive. Get the pages taken down, wiped from the archive, new threads deleted.
>>36084116The guy's lost his faith in God. It happened after he realized no ammount of praying would deal with his lust. He cried out for help from anybody, he was so desperate. Somebody answered. Somebody as sick of God as he was. That somebody was Chernabog.
>>36084116He just realized that Chernobog was the real God all along. The God of Bible keeps killing people with fire and plague, after all.
>>36084116Yeah, fuck Devil worship. Frollo is the only thing stopping Jafar from raping Europe.Butthurt Christians can't handle a religious villain and are desperate to turn him into a Satanist.
>>36084116from suptg, a bit of writefagging about Frollo's Fallhttp://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/36070014/#p36074283
>>36084193Actually, no. It's just that having Frollo as a Chernabog-worshipping Lich is really cool. Not to mention he was already losing his faith, so he'd have lost it completely after a while. You know he would have.
So....Do we have rules for breaking out into song? If this is the Disneyverse, singing has to be a thing?
>>36084230>He was losing his faith>Then he became Pope>Then he became a lich>Most powerful Catholic in the world>Faith restored
>>36084236Ask it in the new thread.
>>36084236Same as regular social combat, only you can sing if you want.>>36084265Wrong order.>Faith restored>He became Pope>Most powerful Catholic in the world>Then he was losing his Faith, because he still lusted for Esmerelda>Then he became a Lich>Faith lost
>>36084116Actually, Frollo being cursed by Gypsy Necromancers sounds pretty cool.
So, has anyone had any thoughts regarding size differences and what they cause? This is important if pixies are a race.
>>36084653Post it in the new thread.