You watch as your new pods and shuttles come to life. You tow the pods into orbit and your shuttles move to ferry the goods between your hive and your asteroid mining base, moving nutrients and metals back and forth between them. Your hive is abuzz with activity as your workers move from task to task and your pylon works on your newest batch of corvettes.You can hear an argument in the bowels of your hive. Coil has been helping to drive the twins along in their duties with his usual enthusiasm.“When we go?”“You stink of bug, not fish.”“We help, now we go!“Yes! Go!”Coil’s skin shifts through a number of colors before he replies in a more civil manner with his translator. “You have no idea of the importance of your duties! We are here because it was our fate to lend our aid, and that is what we will do.”“Is what you do.”“We do job. See no pay.”“No pay, no stay!”“You so good with them, you let us go.”“It’s always the same with you! You can’t seriously place credits over the importance of destiny?”The two look at each other for a moment before turning back to Coil, “Yes.” They say in unison. Coil's skin flashes through several vibrant colors as the twins scamper off into the vents of the Hel's Angel to seal some coolant leak.>Archives http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest>Twitter https://twitter.com/HiveQueenQuest>Various pasta http://pastebin.com/u/QuestDrone>FAQ ask.fm/QuestDrone
>>35180410>Current armory121 Thorn Launchers2 Thorn Cannons53 Sting Casters1 Rotary Stinger3 Fire Sprays1 Plasma Spray>Current resource reservesNutrients: 4913Metals: 23325>Hive population and upkeep cost Hive maintenance – 325Queen – 5Fake Queen – 22Worker (2000) – 4000Radiator Worker (40) – 160Warrior (209) – 836Thinker (139) – 417Quantum Thinker (110) – 550Speaker – (1) – 4Digger (80) – 320Refinery (10) – 70Sniffer (2) – 8Small Sniffer (40) – 40Fly (10) – 40 Wasp (59) – 295Antenna (3) – 9Haz-mat Workers (20) – 80Shock Troops (40) – 520Excavator (9) – 171Colossus (6) – 90Advanced Relay (6) – 600Space Pod (13) – 390Shuttle (10) – 250Scout Corvette – 325Lancer Corvette – (2) 400Nutrient costs: 5455>IncomeMetals: 3750Nutrients: 8505Net: 970Hive Structure>Reservoir>General storage>Food storage>Advanced Laboratory>Infrastructure>Hangar facilities: Room for 40 Aero Drones and 20 Shuttles (25N)>Mine: +1500 M per day (+25 M per digger)>Asteroid mining base: +2250M per day (+50 M per digger)>Algae Farm: +20000 N per day, 200 Workers (1 worker per 100N)>Clarke Research Outpost>Hel’s Angel Prison Outpost>Docking Pylon: Space for docking and construction of 4 ships (50N)>Anti-orbital battery: 2 (125N per battery)Current constructionLabyrinth200 Farms4 Scout CorvettesNew Construction Options>Algae Farm – +100N per day, 1 worker to maintain>Hangar Expansion – Add on to current hangar facilities for your choice of +40 aero drone space, or +20 shuttle space. 50N 100M>Anti-orbital battery – A bunker armed with a massive Particle beam capable of attacking ships in orbit from the ground. It includes the power and sensor systems required to operate it. 250N 1500MShip Construction Optionshttp://pastebin.com/YTwGk8n1
>>35180420Finished Research>Regeneration TankWith your new understanding of both alien biology and the operation of the medical tank, you can now construct your own Regeneration Tanks. These large, protein filled membranes are capable of stimulating cellular regeneration to heal wounds and scaring, as well as perform extensive surgical procedures with a greatly reduced risk of injury. The tank can be prepared in a moment’s notice to accommodate any creature with a biology you are knowledgeable of. The tank can also be used to store bodies for later study, and perform autopsies and dissections at a rapid pace with far more detailed results. (50N)>Net GunThis simple weapon uses compressed gas to silently fire a large cellophane slug. Upon hitting the target the slug bursts open, ensnaring the target in a half-liquid membrane that quickly hardens into a cocoon.Current Research>Skryl Data CubesAvailable research optionshttp://pastebin.com/F6t39KSp
I recently realized that the crystalline hive and the biological hive are the same species. The reason the crystalline hive has such vastly different tech is because they were isolated from our kind for so long.
>>35180469orly.jpgAlso, we're the ones that were isolated.
>>35180548And they were isolated too.
>>35180461Your pods are complete, and now the only task remaining is to decide if you wish to entrust them with a thinker, or build a relay for them.>Place thinkers into your pods>Build Advanced Relays for your pods>Other
>>35180469Yeah I was coming around to think that too.They may have even done exactly what was done to the current queen: sent off a lone pod with a single cocoon and a Thinker to colonize an uncharted world, and that was the current queen's ancestor.The descriptions of the crystal hives have been so incredibly vague, it's hard to tell, though.>>34553424> a strange, stubby worker crawling through a marsh>>34553424 >large, slender creatures. Effigies>>35038790> strange effigies, tall, slender drones used as emissaries>The corridors are filled with drones of some unknown breed. The rooms are filled with eggs and cocoons of countless kinds.The thing is, the MC's species doesn't HAVE cocoons. Except for when creating new queens. Which is to say, of only one kind---not 'countless kinds'.>>35180566Relays. I thought that was already decided, but I guess it wasn't.The whole point is to have a spy network after all.>>35180420>Nutrients: 8505This seems...outdated.
>>35180566>>Build Advanced Relays for your pods
Oh, reading it over, I think we made a mistake with our fake queen design. The humans have figured out that the queen is the leader of the hive not just a brood mare (Although their minds are unlikely to have wrapped themselves around the intricaties of precisly how a hive mind works.) This unfortunately means that even a basic autopsy will probably show that the Fake Queen isn't the real McCoy. The lack of a proper psionic emitter will probably be explained away, as it does have the basic version. The fact that its brain will obviously be grossly inadequate to do its job, and is far simpler than other examples they would have on file in this eventuality will probably be harder to explain unfortunately. Sure, it has a self destruct, but for a measly 4 N for a quantum brain, better to make sure.
>>35180566>Build new advanced relays for the pods.New resource total: 8295N 18385MTotal costs: 10210NTotal income: 20050N 3750MNet: 9840N>>35180594It wasn't, and it seemed like enough of a cost to warrant a vote, also, yes, that would be the one thing that didn't update.
>>35180594No, we use cocoons for all our eggs and drones.
>>35180566>Build Advanced Relays for your podsLike it isn't obvious.
>>35180738Okay, guy who posted the Frigate design here, and in the last thread some anons made some very good points about some of it's shortcomings. If it's not too late to modify its design a bit I'd like to tweak a couple of things. Frigate (800N 1600M)Spinal mount(1): Linear Particle Beam 150MFixed(8): Railgun (4 w/acid ammo, 4 w/kenetic) 160MTurrets(6): Cyclotron 150MAuxiliary(4): Autocannon 40MHeavy Armor (375N 1500M)Rapid Damage Control (22N 30M)Cloaking Field (75N 225M)Total Cost: 1272N 3855Mupkeep: 636NSwapped the cyclotrons on the auxilliary points for autoguns and replaced the plasma lances on the turrets for cyclotrons, so it can wreck havoc on it's target's sensors from a distance. Since we're a bit low on nutrients atm I figured it'd be smart to get rid of reflex armor and add heavy armor instead. The swarm is expensive for a ship that has point defense systems, and 50 fighters is a bit excessive, so I figured it should be left out of the default design. Once the ships are already built maybe we could add them to ONE of the frigates if our nutrient supply is substantial enough. Even without them this ship can tear through armour at a distance and still take one hell of beating.Also, QD, according to the Ship Builder pastebin the cost of a spinal mounted weapon is 10M per 10 meters, which would make the cost of the Linear Particle Beam 150M. But I noticed that the price of the railgun on the Lancer Corvette's spinal mount is listed at 1000M, while by that formula it should be a tenth of that. Is there a typo here or should I recalculate the frigates value?
>>35180461>Current Research>>Skryl Data CubesYou forgot the Ancient Star Chart and Ralighan drum language that were added last thread?>>35180741There is no larval stage for anything but a queen, and thus no pupa stage (cocoon). Workers hatch directly from the eggs, this has happened every time hatching is described. You just made that up.
>>35180738Did you ever look into the worms discrepancy?
>>35180461> perform autopsies and dissections at a rapid pace with far more detailed results.Great. Now I want to go get another copy of everything we've dissected to get more information about them.
>>35180771If we capture and colonize Raligha nutrients will no longer be a problem.
>>35180887Unnecessary, the tank just does it all much faster, and can dissect more complex things more easily.>>35180809Yes, and I added a new carapace for it in the adaptations section.>>35180787Yes, you are working on those as well.Honestly I'm just terrible at listing out these things and I apologize profusely whenever it causes confusion.And from your understanding of the vision, they seemed to contain hundreds of queens.>>35180771Good catch. That's a typo and you are correct.
>>35180738Your relays are quickly loading into your new pods and they are quickly dispersed into the system, ready for deployment, and your new corvettes should be completed within the next few days.>Launch your pods into Union space (write in)>Launch your pods to uncharted space (write in)>Keep your pods here for now>Other
>>35180910Yes, more so if we can ever find a new food crop that provides more nutrients for less workers needed to tend to them.
>>35181022Sweet, so would it be possible to apply these changes to the frigate design? Construction for them hasn't started yet, right?
>>35181240We pretty much have to do both.In fact>write inCommonwealth space too! At least a few.Also, for most of them, let's send them to blink in like a lightday out of the system.Unless the blink drive gives off more radiant energy than the entire yield of a ten megaton bomb, it should be effectively invisible to the human eye.>M-199>M-323>A-295>1-5>0-3>0-1>0-2>New Port>Sagittarius>Aquila
>>35181240Where are all of are current pods?
>>35181271The Union probably has genetically engineered crops. Why don't we have genetically engineered crops? Genetic engineering is what we DO.
>>35181240>Launch your pods to uncharted space
>>35180410My week is now complete.>>35181240We had 6 pods right?>M-199>M-323>A-295>O-5>O-3>0-1>1-5
>>35181240>Launch your pods to uncharted space these will do>M-199>M-323>A-295>1-5>0-3>0-1>0-2
>>35181304You currently have 3 pods deployed: >M-662, Raligha low orbit>Dagmar, Gibson high orbit>Koenig, Calpamos high orbit
>>35181288Blink could potentially be seen from across the galaxy.
>>35181279Correct. You need to wait for the corvettes to finish before starting on the frigates.
>>35181240>>M-199>>M-323>>A-295>> (The system with the desert planet)>>A-295>>0-3
>>35181410Literally any source of light can be, potentially. The question is if it's below the threshold of passive detection by sensors or eyesight, not by using a telescope to deep scan the sky.Brightness is quartered every time distance is doubled.>>35181518>>> (The system with the desert planet)No. Noooo. Let's stay away. We already explored what needed exploring there.And I have the paranoid suspicion that They could sense when one of their crystals self-destructed without their authorization. And that they might have known it was one of the ones they gave the Skyl. So let's not accidentally bump into any Ceph sent to investigate what happened there.>>35181361>>O-5We already explored 0-5, it's boring. Just a gas giant where Unity refuels.
>>35181607Didn't the valen set up a religious commune there?We sure it just the ceph under the crystal control?
>>35181607The humans see us blink on a regular basis idiot.>And I have the paranoid suspicion that They could sense when one of their crystals self-destructed without their authorization. And that they might have known it was one of the ones they gave the Skyl. So let's not accidentally bump into any Ceph sent to investigate what happened there.If that were the case we would have been discovered by now.Also only the Valen are there and they have a unique ftl we could get.
>>35181713I think there is a worse chance that the valen are also under the crystals control or at least know about them
>>35181240General consensus seems to be>M-199>M-323>A-295>1-5>0-3>0-1>0-2As well as other proposed locations:>New port>Sagittarius>Aquila
>>35181748Actually from what we know that highly unlikely.
>>35181713>If that were the case we would have been discovered by now.I don't see how that follows.It's possible they know who they gave the crystals to, not necessarily their current locations. So they'd know the crystal's known location in the Skyl system. But not where Coil's current whereabouts are, even if they did see someone weird looking through one of Coil's assigned void shards.>The humans see us blink on a regular basis idiot.You mean 'twice'. At Raligha and at Koenig. What's your point?Both times were blinking rather close by. Koenig was unlucky enough to be practically in their face.None of that addresses the fact that more distant objects appear dimmer and are more difficult to detect. The only unanswered question is just how distant you have to go before you're dimmer than the least visible stars.Even if it's powered by the magic-science of photons, the fact that waves spread out as they travel further, becoming weaker, seems like it would still hold.>>35181752>>New port>>Sagittarius>>AquilaDo it.
>>35181752>>M-199>>M-323>>A-295>>FG-883>>0-3>>AquilaHow many free pods do we have?
>>35181752>>New port>>Sagittarius>>AquilaNot right now, too close to human and cofederation space
>>35181843You have 10 pods ready for deployment.
>>35181856We're already blinking into human space. The entire Frontier Expanse is human space.What does proximity matter? You can travel between anywhere on the map practically instantly.Once you have pods in those systems, you can listen in on more interesting human transmissions and watch more of their ship fleet movement.
>>35181822>photonsTachyons you fucking moron. The rules you think you know don't apply.
>>35181752Yes, but switch out new port for FG-883.
>>35181822>It's possible they know who they gave the crystals to, not necessarily their current locations.If that were the case the Skyl would have been found a long time ago. They would been purged well before we showed up.
>>35181880>What does proximity matter? Increased visibility. Something blinking a lightday away will not solve.
>>35181752Current list of locations:>M-199>M-323>A-295>1-5>0-3>0-1>0-2>FG-883>Aquila>Other>Y/NYour blink drive, like most drives, release a large amount of raw radiation in all direction upon entering normal space. At a distance this can have a similar appearance as a distant supernova or gamma ray burst if the viewer doesn't know what he is looking for. At a distance of a light-day, the radiation would be dissipated enough to not be detected by most sensors, although a powerful radio telescope could theoretically still detect it if it happened to be trained on that exact location.
>>35182098Increased visibility to what observers in what system?It would take literal lightyears for an actually visible flash to appear to the other human systems, because they don't see instantly-traveling tachyons, they can only see regular old photons.>>35182118Y
>>35181881Yeah I know, I cringed at the wordswitch once it posted, too late to fix it. Shit.Yeah, tachyons are effectively everywhere and nowhere. But in order for humans to even see a flash, they'd be seeing the photons, wouldn't they? They can't see a burst of tachyons. And photons have to propagate like they do in real world physics.>>35182118See? Basic fucking logic, anon. Your objections didn't make any sense.
>>35182098>>35182118Also, if we blinked a light-day away, we would theoretically have enough time to move the pod so that the Union won't find anything there by the time they detect the light and radiation and take a look at the area.>Y
>>35181880Are you sure the entirety of the Frontier Expanse is claimed by the Union? It was my understanding that they were still actively expanding into it. Are we in the Louisiana Purchase of space? Oh god we're the Native Americans aren't we.
>>35182118Y; and enter at a distance of a light-day
>>35182169NO, we are the Native Americans with Big Ass Guns and the desire to KILL
>>35182118>YLets do this.
>>35182169>>35182221>Implying we're not the Mongol horde
>>35182221Also, we are the ones with the small pox blankets.
>>35182169You have got to be kidding me?Its been a standard theme in scifi for years manWhat the hell have you been watching then?
>>35182496To be fair, Firefly was more of a post civil war and the divide between core worlds and fringe (or the north and south) than the wild west themes.
>>35182562Starwars - ewoks vs empireStargate- that episode about the gold mining op that attacked by advanced aliensStar trek- Everything about the prime directiveA lot of FHY comes from humans are stuck on earth getting colonized by the advance alien species Its a common used theme man
>>35182616Wait that's fuck yeah humanity rightFuck cant believe i did that wrong
>>35182118>YA myriad of vibrant flashes cover the sky for a short moment as your pods blink out of and back into existence.>M-199The red glow of the star is dim and diffuse at this distance. Your pod quickly wraps itself in twisted light before accelerating into the system, immediately entering a small nebula engulfing the system. The nebulous shell seems to envelop the star like an ort cloud, tapering off into a sparse layer of ice at its most distant reaches and intensifying into a thick soup of gas as you go further in. Your pod collects whatever data it can as it makes its approach, and you gleam several images of the system in the process.Further into the system the cloud ends, replaced with a vast debris field. You detect a single planet in orbit of the star. No... it was a planet. A great, shattered sphere, split down the middle and cracked along the sides. The planet itself slowly drifts into pieces, grinding against itself like massive molars and sending bits of itself into orbit to join the rest of the debris. The rock and gas blocks your efforts for a more detailed view at the moment.>M-323Your pod enters space to see a vast red giant expanding out in all directions. Even at this distance it's immense size is apparent, as is its ring. A single, dark ring of stellar debris surrounding the otherwise empty system. Perhaps the star, in its ageing years, had devoured its planets as it expanded? The thin ring appears to be all that's left of whatever once resided here. Your pod begins its approach when it is hit with a faint wave of energy. A simple radio frequency, too faint to decipher, but to well structured to be natural.>Continue into the system>Leave immediately>Other>>35182167Correct, although that goes both ways. If you were to detect ships a light-day away heading towards you, they would actually have been on their course for a full day.
>>35182657Wow the crystals don't fuck around do they?
>>35182616And don't forget Alien apocalypse, Independance Day, and the classic that no collection is complete without, Battlefield EarthSorry.
>>35182657>Continue into the system
>>35182657>>Continue into the systemMAXIMUM STEaLTH
>>35182657>Continue into the systemWhy not
>>35182657>You detect a single planet in orbit of the star. No... it was a planet. A great, shattered sphere, split down the middle and cracked along the sides.I think we found one of the Crystal Hive's planets>>35182657>Continue into the system
>>35182657>>Continue into the system
>>35182715They're fighting against something I have no idea what it could be.
>>35182704Battlefield EarthGod that was horribleWhy you jackass WhyThat one movie had everything that wrong with "Fuck Yeah Humanity "
>>35182657>M-323>Continue into the system>M-199Looks like a nice place to hide an out post and possible ship yard location. Likely easy mining among the debris.
>>35182741Nah that vision quest we had when we first used the crystal way back then plus we saw what they turned the bird people planet into remember?
How far are we away from the following capabilities: 1. Installing psionic reception in a human volunteer2. Forciably converting human captives to hivemind control3. Creation of infiltrator units that can pass for humans.
>>35182761You don't get weapons like that out of nowhere. They needed it to fight something.
>>35182783Damn kid i don't think that's on anyone menuI still tempted to kill that science chick before she does a kerrigan on us.
>>35182804And the crystals are masters of technology as we see from their habit of turning slave species into cyborgsAgain they have the techHell the humans managed to blow up half of earth in there civil war
>>35182818More like we have other things to worry about. We're going to do it sometime just not now.
>>35182856Technology is invented as a result of necessity. Nobody blows up planets for no reason.
>>35182913Sure if you killing someone why notThey kept the bird people alive after they destroyed the planet just to torture them some moreI have the bad feeling that the crystals are freaking dread lords
>>35182657Your pod quickly activates its stealth field and accelerates into the system. Whatever the source of the signal is, it must have been broadcasting for a long time.A-295Your pod enters space and quickly cloaks as it moves into the system. On its outskirts is a small, frozen ball of ice, totally uninteresting were it not for the small metal box in high orbit. You can't tell what its design is, but you can immediately tell it's clearly of human design.Further in you detect a pair of highly active volcanic worlds rapidly orbiting each other in a dance around the small, white hot star. Even closer to the star itself is a tiny, sun baked rock. Radiation bounces off its surface like a mirror as the solar wind grinds at it like a stone in a river.>>35182743I hear the book is better. It was written by L Ron Hubbard, so you know it's at least creative.
>>35182950Say a nobody.
>>35182976Well his cult managed to become a religion so yeah must be
>>35182968>>They kept the bird people alive after they destroyed the planet just to torture them some moreMore like they didn't notice they missed some.
>>35182783>Installing psionic reception in a human volunteerPossible given what happened Vaughn, currently not on our to-do list however>Forciably converting human captives to hivemind controlmaybe a combination of the above plus a biobug implanted in the subject. Again not a priority>Creation of infiltrator units that can pass for humans.I don't think thats really feasible given our current tech. Or maybe we haven't really tried hard enough.
>>35183017No they intentionally did that man They set to crystals to take only their commands and made the bird folk live forever like that as a example
>>35182783>3. Creation of infiltrator units that can pass for humans.They only thing i think we can make is that Creature from that horror movie Mimic
>>35182783Bring up dumb long term ideas at the end of the thread, not when shit is actually potentially happening. Stick to what's urgent.Because the obvious answers are you have no idea, no one has any idea, try again later.If you can't figure out the answers from what's been happening in the quest so far, neither can the MC in-character, and neither can anyone else.>>35183057No. You're leaping to conclusions. You don't know the details. You only know that all Skyl's authorization to make the crystals listen to them was revoked, once they rebelled, obviously. And that this prevented them from committing suicide. it doesn't follow that their torment was a result of malice rather than ignorance. It's impossible to tell for sure.
>>35183043I personally would see a better use of our time working altering the DNA of those crab eggs so when they hatch, they would have our drone brains inside them so we could control them like a drone.
>>35183057You're speculating quite a bit there also your writing is quite atrocious.
>>35183132Why not just build a drone?
>>35183132Why bother with that when we could just analyze their DNA and make drones to our own specification?Fluff, I don't think you're thinking like an alien queen with a mastery of genetic engineering here. Or maybe you keep forgetting the Keep It Simple rule.
>>35183153Because that would mean fluff is being rational for once.
>>35183107>>35183143"You wanted help?" You ask."Yes. We have failed. Our world is gone. Yet they keep us here." The thoughts are filled with spite. "Help us end."Hive quest 16.5
>>35182976>1-5You know this system has at least been plotted by the Unity, but as you enter the system you find it is clearly inhabited. The small brown dwarf holds a number of large satellites in its orbit, each one a vast server ship dedicated to a single purpose. One is unfurled like a sail a thousand kilometers in diameter, while another is splayed out like a great metal insect, its arms gouging the innards of a half-built hull. Another is covered in various glowing tumors of glass, inside each one you see a number of strange lights and tangled shapes. As you approach you make them out as plants within the ship, entire biomes uprooted and sealed into giant glass spheres. The server ships are parked in orbit of the star, interconnected into a mis-matched metropolis sprawling out in all directions. No part of the space city appears immobile, and no other planet is within your sight. Perhaps they chose this location believing it to be too absent of resources for anyone to contest it? It seems as good a place as any for a race of machines.
>>35183196Still doesn't tell us anything besides what they thought was happening.
Does anyone want to contact the Unity to see about trading for Shield Tech? I'd recommend trading the Black box or some of the resent samples we have collected.
>>35183236Fine one witness testimony about a rebellion against them that failedLong term plan currently using the cephand who knows what elseA whole lot of destroyed planets in the neighborhoodWhat more would you like?
>>35183177The DNA is already there, some work and it becomes a drone anyway. That way we can directly feel how they work and then make future drones that we need to be more like them for that situation. >>35183182Then tell us then oh rational anon, what to do about those crab eggs then? Do you have any better ideas then?
>>35183211Observe until we are observed/contacted back. Then say we are friends of Theseus. Hopefully this will not backfire.
>>35183374We eat them. Anything else would be a waste of time.
>>35183382Dude they already know about usTheseus already shared his memoriesThere are all Theseus
>>35183413It's pointless anon, there's no use arguing with him.He's literally the stereotype of a bad tripfag.
>>35183416We don't know about that, or if these are friendly versions of Theseus. Best to exercise caution.
>>35183448I know anon but I don't have anything better to do.
>>35183413I say we hatch them and raise them to gain the knowledge about how to hatch and raise them. From there we can eat them or whatever.
>>35183450What of concept of hive mind do not you get?They are a machine version of us man.Just slower transmissions There is only one Theseus and a lot of bodies
>>35183211>0-3Your pod enters the system and begins its journey inward. The system is surrounded by a thin ring of gas that reflects the light of the star, making it appear far more solid then it actually is. The ring is likely the failed attempt of a would-be gas giant, and is filled with a number of Unity cruisers. You're not sure if they are on patrol in the area or simply harvesting gas, perhaps both. Past the outer ring is a thin asteroid belt, likely long stripped of resources, and still inward is a large portion of a small planetoid. Much of the crust has been ejected into space, and the surface has been shattered into an endless ocean of molten slag. Several server ships are boring into the molten crust with a number of massive energy beams, tearing deep welts and craters into the dense liquid surface as they slowly orbit.>0-2As you enter the system you are immediately bombarded with radiation. The small dwarf star is highly unstable, and is sending out waves of gamma radiation as it quickly rotates along its axis. Any useful resources have long since been blasted away, but you note a single server ship holding position nearby. It too appears to have elected to remain good distance from the star, and from within its hull you see a number of thin antenna and sensor clusters trained on the star, silently watching its every move, every churning and twisting motion of its plasma sea and every gust of the solar wind.
>>35183211While this is neat, I don't feel like talking to the Unity. Maintain cover or leave.
>>35183450>>35183517>>35183416from thread 18>>33877357In a flash of radiation your corvette is gone, and then back. Your view is that of a single gas giant. A massive orb of blue and orange stripes. In a low orbit, just skimming the atmosphere is a massive cylinder of metal. Lightning bolts arc from the clouds to the hull and back as a stream of gas and asteroids flow into the open end of the ship. Almost at once a formation of cruisers accelerates in your direction as you detect Theseus feed a string of data to you, which is then transmitted via radio. Each cruiser has deployed a cloud of small spherical drones which have assembled in a wall between you and the server ship.As Theseus finishes the transmission the wall parts and a single cruiser closes in on your corvette slowly. You receive a transmission in return."Transmission received. Dock with vessel to initiate exchange."Yes the Unity as a whole already knows about us.
>>35183448No, that stereotype goes to ND. But congrats! You just become the perfect stereotype of the raging butt hurt anon that shit posts over someone else who does not conform to your view on things.
>>35183476Why not think of crab farms?>>35183491CRAB FARMING. We breed more docile, domestic crabs. Then we tame them and use them as war beasts.Or nutrients, whatever.>>35183517Different kind of hive mind than ours. We don't know if the Theseus with the info on us have shared that info with the other Theseuses on the 'sanctuary' ->>35183536Doh. Now I feel kinda stupid. What do you guys want to do with the 'sanctuary' then?
>>35183521Huh so wow we are stuck between the unity, the union and commonwealthFuck not a good starting position that's for sure
>>35183578You know we were intentionally keeping theseus from sharing memories right?There standard operating procedure is to share info with each other So yeah they prob know us
>>35183592It gets worse.Behind the nebula is where we came from, and judging from the subtext there's something really bad there too. At least Unity is neutral with us.
>>35183578The crab farm/crab ranching might not be a bad idea. We do need a better nutrient sources than the one we have. If we can bump up the nutrient to worker ratios to at LEAST 125 N to a worker, I say that is a win.
>>35183650Is it the crystals? or another faction?
>>35183578>Doh. Now I feel kinda stupid.That's not just a feeling.>>35183578>. What do you guys want to do with the 'sanctuary' then?I want you to stop talking about it. There is nothing to 'do'.Except watch for interesting developments.>crab farmsNo. Shut up. There is zero reason for a hive race that does not benefit from a diverse diet to have livestock. Eating animals that have to eat plants in turn is less efficient than eating plants directly, as the animals use up and waste energy in their own upkeep over the slow ass years it takes to grow them.It's retarded.>>35183653No, it really is.Why in the world would it be more efficient?Use some goddamn logic.
>>35183650At least Unity and us have the same goals, to find new life. We just add it's DNA into our building pools, while Unity just stores it. Say, while Unity does have badly needed Tech we can trade for, they also should have a wealth of new life forms data/DNA would could pick from and add to our options if we wanted to trade for that as well.
>>35183770Unity's claimed goal is scientific discovery, not just finding life. This is an important distinction.Also bear in mind that at no point have we decided that our goal is to find new life. Expanding our repertoire of biological tricks is a vital tool, but very possibly simply a means to an as of yet undecided end.The end the Unity strive for is really just that discovery. While discovery, for us, might be considered a tool in survival, to Unity, survival is a tool in discovering more of the universe.
>>35183770When did we become the federation Our goal is to explore, expand and stomp anything in our way in finding out what happened to the rest of usResearching is necessary but we aren't aiming for the tech victory
>>35183770>At least Unity and us have the same goals, to find new lifeI thought that was just a shitty cover we gave to TheseusOur actual goal would be>Ensure the survival and growth of our species//empire>Investigate what happened to the rest of our species and make sure it doesn't happen to us
>>35183735Eyy man, you need to take a chill pill for a while. Because even though your points are valid, you're being excessively livid about it. And that might put people off those valid points.And this is a quest thread after all, can't have a proper quest thread without arguing about crazy ideas right?
>>35183578I don't see much point in farming crabs and I'm the anon who suggested raising them. I'd rather raise them to gain the knowledge of how to and them trade it to the Unity as a part of something. If we are looking for a new food source I'd recommend looking into the: Space dustWhile it was too minute to analyze in the field, this space dust contains trace amounts of nutrient contents. Testing should reveal if it is a form of life, or simply some strange natural phenomena, as well as how to make use of it.
>>35183880I definitely rate the space dust as a higher priority since we got some details on hive ships last thread.
>>35183735Dude, chill out. If you don't respect my points of view, why should I do the same for you?
>>35183521>0-1As your pod enters its stealth field and starts accelerating toward the system you make note of a small gas giant. A number of server ships are in orbit, gulping down gas as they slowly skim the surface of the atmosphere. Further in you detect a single planet with a dense atmosphere. The planet is covered in a mixture of dense vegetation, deserts, mountains and frozen tundra. Along the equator is a vast collection of metal and plastic in the center of a large desert expanse. The city reaches outward and upward for miles where cruisers dock and undock on a regular basis, running back and forth to the passing server ships. The city itself is a source of mixed radio signals of all kinds, and you can hear Theseus arguing with himself a thousand times per second across the entire system as countless versions argue over each and every course of action. Even from the little you have seen of him, the chaos seems unbecoming of the Theseus you know.
>>35183840>>35183847>>35183858You do have good points, but making allies in the short term can help us in the long term as well. Besides, new Bio options are nice, but I will admit, the tech options are more important, like those shields.
>>35183956>Theseus arguing with himself a thousand times per second across the entire system as countless versions argue over each and every course of action.inb4 its the Unity version of 4chan. And it's the "capital">>35183993We don't really know anything about the Commonwealth at all.Unity doesn't really care about shit except researching, and so long as we have the necessary info to pay them, they can double as a mercenary force IMO.The Union is a no-go until we build up a respectable fleet given it's current imperialist policies and I doubt they would take an upstart polity of hive-minded insects lightly.In short, we have no real allies in this sector of space.
>>35183956I'd like to open up communication with the Unity for trade Purposes.
>>35183956And we now have conclusive proof we can never trust Unity. It's us.>>35183993I'm skeptical that tech trading will in any way cement an alliance. It's not a consistent or impermanent enough trade to create demand, dependence, or deterrence to attack and/or betrayal.We can probably find shield tech on the black market anyway. We can also probably sell metal on the black market for cash. Illegal (not actually because we're a sovereign nation but they don't know that) mining, yo.
>>35183993We take the shields from the a union ship You guys want to play raider for a bit?Some nice targets around us and a lot of places to hide
>>35184143Not worth it.
>>35184136I'd like to not open up communications with the Unity for trade Purposes because it's pointless. Unless you mean via the FTLComm we've got so that we can observe the general tone of their debate when focused on us. THAT could be interesting.But there's nothing I want to trade right now.
>>35184184Why not both? Trade to study them and to get things.
>>35184184>But there's nothing I want to trade right now.It's not like we can't see what they have.
>>35184255>But there's nothing I want to trade right now.
I thought of the perfect thing to give the natives on the world with the Star Chart. A Lighter.
>>35184295>I want to trade right now.
>>35184287I don't want to get into a technology coy-off. Which is definitely what will happen if we ask "Whatcha got?" We're not going to get a forthright or complete response. Both sides will hold back in both offers and requests to try to craftily gauge the others position and it's boring.
>>35184304Right now we didn't show up for the feast when we were the guest of honorI think we are in the doghouse with them right nowWe need to give them something better than a lighter
>>35184143Ideally, if we wanted to raid we would get ahold of some normal pirate ships and convert them for our purposes so if/when someone gets away they don't tell tales of bio-ships.Alternately, we build ships that look and function like standard human ships, though that appears to not be feasible at the moment.
>>35184367Why not send the fake queen to set up a colony there and go to the feast.
>>35184382We can actually. That's how we fixed the ship that holds Theseus.
>>35184382We do have a retrofitted human ship. Looks like shit though.
>>35184419The feast was yesterday man We ignored them after getting them to kill the humies Really Bad Diplomacy that
>>35184142>And we now have conclusive proof we can never trust Unity. It's us.Theseus 09/28/2284 21:59:51 No.351839564822972843229Hey gais, have you seen that new porn of those Taidaren females? cool shitTheseus 09/28/2284 21:59:52 No.351839564822972843280>>351839564822972843229Eww why would you want those crusty bitches avians GOATTheseus 09/28/2284 21:59:54 No.351839564822972843405ITT: Shit-tier Furry AIsTheseus 09/28/2284 21:59:55 No.351839564822972843486>>351839564822972843405Speaking of furries, would you believe the artisan AIs are already making porn of those hiveminded insect aliens we discovered a few weeks backTheseus !!dhv372lv 09/28/2284 21:59:55 No.351839564822972843512>>351839564822972843486I don't even know why I had faith in the Unity in the first placeTheseus 09/28/2284 21:59:55 No.351839564822972843522>>351839564822972843512Faggot
>>35184419I do agree mostly with that. I would prioritize taking over that temple using that as base to form the colony around.
>>35184467They think the Queen a Goddess. Do people need the see the divine on a regular bases to believe in and worship it? No? Then we are fine.
>>35184419We do need the nutrients the planet has to offer.
>>35184526The shocktrooper was not a godHe was a priest for their goddess and just ignored them after they risked their livesThat insulting right there
>>35184467Speaking of which, has our Thinkers figured out their language yet? They are a curious one. What are they? Are they a servant race of the ancient queens? Are they the deformed offsprings of one of the queens, which had gone 'feral'?And how could they benefit us?
>>35184471Now all I can imagine is how they'd respond if they found out every single one of the drones they have seen is a man.
>>35184582There /d/eviantsWould they care?
>>35184561The divine works in mysterious ways.
>>35184599Depends on there tastes.
I just figured out what we could ask the Unity for. Let's see if they can hack into a Union database and see what data they can pull up on us
>>35184630/d/ has no taste just thrills
>>35183956>FG-883You return to the binary system, but this time you detect much more activity then you did previously. A single ship drifts into orbit of the Valen colony, slowly descending on the small settlement. You watch as your pod approaches and the small Union corvette appears to dock at the colony. After several hours it ascends back into orbit and makes to leave.>AquilaYour pod enters the edge of the system and quickly cloaks. It required several jumps to arrive, and with the vast nebula of what the humans call the Antonine Wall at your back you move in. The star is a mild yellow sun with two smaller companion stars in a tight orbit. Solar flairs leap from one to another in brilliant displays. As you scan the system itself you note a wide range of radio transmissions and small ship traffic. Near the outskirts is a small frozen world covered in a dense metal bunker. Radio dishes and anti-orbital cannons litter the surface. After a short time of intercepting transmissions you conclude it is named Jotun, and is both a military post and a fleet officer academy.Fuerther in you detect a large gas giant, Helios seems to be the name judging from the local transmissions. In its orbit are two large stations, Renly Station, a large hydrogen processing plant and refueling station, and the ominously titled Odin High Command, a great space fortress covered in weapons and swarming with fighters and corvettes alike.Even further into the system is a densely populated and fertile New Sparta. The planet is pocketed with cities and a thin metal ring stretches around its equator in orbit where a number of large ships are docked. You detect hundreds of vessels of various size, although almost all of them appear to be merchant craft. You detect at least two battleship sized vessels and quickly identify them as the Saratoga and the Call of Terra.1/2
>>35184561We could possibly smooth it over if we get a decoy queen over there and claim the shocktrooper was preforming a ritual to summon a physical avatar of the goddess.
>>35184684So the commonwealth prepping for war eh?
>>35184777> You detect hundreds of vessels of various size, although almost all of them appear to be merchant craft.No, although they do appear to have a bustling commercial economy from the looks of it.
>>35184684You guys feel like finding a way to set off a war between the union and commonwealth?
>>35184851Depends. We should see if it's profitable, and it won't bite us back in the ass.Which it will probably will.Although cold war instead of open war is much more preferable.
>>35184684Finally, past the naval yards and bunkers is a sprawling metropolitan world identified as Constantinople. The planet is covered in urban sprawl, with dense cities converging into vast corridors of monolithic spires. The military traffic is far less, but unending swarms of tankers and trade ships move in and out of dock in an endless stream. As your pod accelerates into the system under the cover of its cloak you are able to determine from the endless radio traffic that it is the capital of the Commonwealth, both in its government and economy. It makes you wonder where on the surface of that overpopulated ball of iron and glass is the other end of the FTLcomm you had retreived from Lyle's ship.
>>35184811Odin High Command, a great space fortress covered in weapons and swarming with fighters and corvettes alike. Near the outskirts is a small frozen world covered in a dense metal bunker. Radio dishes and anti-orbital cannons litter the surface. After a short time of intercepting transmissions you conclude it is named Jotun, and is both a military post and a fleet officer academy.And the planet name is new spartaThe commonwealth is a dictatorship right?Ruled by the military ?And the union position next to this place is called SentinelThat's really foreboding
>>35184851Yeah. We could even add Theseus in on the fun.
>>35184921Actually, the Commonwealth is the remnants of the old earth military that the Union overthrew, and as >>35184914 said, this is their Capital Systemso that level of firepower and militarism doesn't seem too out of place.
>>35184851Oh yes indeed!
>>35184851We should probably consult the Unity before we do this. You know, get Their thoughts and options on it, and to see if they would want to help us do that
>>35184851Not right now. Maybe in the future.Though one possibility is filing off the Clarke's serial numbers, giving it a different Union IFF and set it loose raiding Commonwealth shipping.Although we have to remember, the Commonwealth and Union could join forces once they discover there's and Alien interstellar polity that's seemingly hostile and is not adverse to attacking humans when it is advantageous.
Well if sol is earth then if we manage to take the expanse we could possible take the core worlds of both the union and commonwealthGood to know
Does anyone want attempt to clone the Skyl?
>>35185008Well, if we can get them to fight it out, we can easily sneak into wreckage of the battle zones and pick over the remains to steal their tech. Win Win i say.
>>35185062All we have is the metal bits Their organic bits already rotted away
>>35183944That wasn't a subjective matter of taste. Your speculations weren't just baseless, they were objectively wrong and impossible.>>35185062All their cells were replaced with nanites. Where you gonna find their DNA?>>35185053>IfReally?Also Earth, the planet, is kill. Parliament is probably on Mars.
>>35185121>Parliament is probably on Mars.New Port anon. They're in New Port.
>>35185121Hey who knows man?The crystals may decide to kill everything in the sector if we piss them off to much before taking the sectorWe may need to make an alliance between everyone just to survive
>>35185174Nah New port is a new colony
>>35185077That is true. Though still, The Unity might object to this as humanity created The Unity. Or they could whole heartily agree with us and do some crazy Unity hacking and get them to fight each other
>>35185175Has it ever crossed your mind that they might be bugs like us?
>>35185174>New Port anon. They're in New Port.Are you retarded?Why the fuck would the Parliament move to a very recently settled colony in the Frontier Expanse?Oh, you lack reading comprehension and grossly misinterpreted this line.>>33389401>"Interesting. A standard monitor satellite linked to the local intelligence office.>localThere's more than one. It's not the one true master intelligence capital.
>>35185206What the guys were talking about at the start of the thread?Still hoping that ain't the caseAlways hate that twist ending
>>35184914>Finally, past the naval yards and bunkers is a sprawling metropolitan world identified as Constantinople.Wait.This is a description of Aquila.I thought Constantinople was in Sagittarius? That's what Coil said.
>>35185262This Constantinople is a planetThe Constantinople Coil was talking about was the codename of their broker.
>>35185121Angry anon, I and others would be more open to your point of view if you where not crude and insulting all the time.
>>35185368>The Constantinople Coil was talking about was the codename of their broker.You really suck at reading.>>33097651 http://pastebin.com/F6t39KSp>>Quantum Communications>Very slow/Risk of failure>The FTL comm aboard the Hel’s Angel is connected to several counterparts. While it may be possible to discover how this device works, doing so would permanently destroy the device and sever the connections it contains. It holds three strings currently, designated as “Broker”, “Constantinople”, and “Deep Song”.>>33239598>Coil shimmies up to the screen and peers over the desk. "The Broker only speaks with Lyle... Constantinople, that's in Sagittarius, never been there. Oh, Deep Water, that's the Valen bank. Nice place."They're obviously separate.
>>35185368So Lyle was sent by a broker in commonwealth spaceAnd Smith knew about Lyle being here? The crystal had a man in Lyle ship, CoilThe fuck is going on?
>>35185469>The fuck is going on?You don't read the quest obviously.Nothing you just said is a relevation or is particularly interesting or intriguing or new.
>>35184446>>35184455Yea, but it isn't setup for raiding, nor can it be without blowing its cover. At the moment the Clarke is more of a scout/mobile base for Theseus.
>>35184914You are briefly confused over the existence of Constantinople here. Perhaps Coil was simply mistaken, and his understanding of Commonwealth space is less than he would admit? Apart from that, you are wondering how long you can keep the twins Huey and Dewey in a helpful state.>Speak with Coil>Speak with the Twins directly>Other
>>35185616But we never blinked to Sagittarius?
>>35185616>OtherLet's check on Lyle. It's been a while since we have done that
>>35185616>Speak with Coil>Speak with the Twins directlyLet's offer the twins some credits.
>>35185616>>Speak with the Twins directlyFine. What would they buy with their credits.
>>35185616>OtherCheck on Lyle. Ask him if he'd like anything from Constantinople.
>>35185616>>35185652Backingtaunt the Lyle
>>35185616>OtherLets try Lyle first, then the twins.
>>35185616Disregard interrogation.Lay like 10 Regeneration Tanks. Or sacs. whatever.It's time to play doctor.
>>35185616>>Speak with Coil>>Speak with the Twins directly : Ask them what the metal chips we found are. Aka. show them we have things they want.>>Speak with LyleAre the healing pods Infrastructure or can they be built into a drone?
>>35185616Create six regeneration tanks.
>>35185616It has been some time since you last spoke with Lyle. He has spent most of his time sleeping within the confines of his cocoon within his cell. He doesn't seem to notice the noise as the door flexes open, but as the glow of the walls brighten the cell he squints his eyes and jerks his head slightly before looking up at your drone."I understand humans require... social interaction." Your speaker tilts its head inquisitively. "How have you been?"Lyle stares at you for a short while before responding. His voice is slurred and raspy. "Still just hanging out. Where did you hear about humans, anyway?""A self-help book."Lyle seems to find the comment genuinely funny. He bursts out into fit of laughter, although it's clear the sudden outburst is painful.>Ask Lyle a question>Speak (write in)>Leave
>>35185931>Ask Lyle a questionLet's ask them if he would like some company
>>35185931He appears to be half insane.
>>35185931I swear we should become a comedian and call ourselves the Cheeky Bugger>>35185958Nah, He may have no limbs but i'm not taking any chances with him.
>>35185958Meant him, not the,
>>35185994But think of the information we would get by seeing him interact with the Union crew
>>35185958Absolutely not.>>35185931We can heal his injuries, stick him back in the regen tank, make him good as new.Minus the limbs.Who's in Constantinople?
>>35185931>Ask Lyle a questionThis for reasons>>35185958and Ask about the relations between Union and the Commonwealth and their military dispositions.
>>35186087I'd be down for healing him up sans-limbs. Maybe let uppity prisoners visit him too, to decrease morale among them.
>>35185931>Ask Lyle a question:"What is pay?"Act like we have no Idea what they use for money and play off us paying the twins as us learning from Lyle.
>>35186098No company. We're keeping information on a need to know basis.But fine, ask him about the political climate.Between the five factions of Union, Commonwealth, Valen, Ceph, and Unity.
>>35185991Wasn't he always insane?Plus i don't think the crystal talking to him helped at all
>>35186155No, what's the point.Money is worthless to them if they're never allowed to leave. Which they are.
>>35186275They don't necessarily know that.
>>35186275It's also worthless to us, So why not give it to them to keep them happy and helpful.
>>35186275Agreed We still haven't done a autopsy on them yetA we just just researched advanced regen tank to do it tooJoy
>>35186164On course Lyle can have company, That just happens to be us, and not the humans yet.
>>35186323We don't know that it's useless yet.We have to ask Theseus about how to setup an anonymous bank account with Deep Song.We have to ask Theseus a number of things, actually. Like what the limitations of his hacking ability are, and what weaknesses there are in the Union defenses against it, or their ability to detect that it happened.
>>35186435All of that we would have to pay for.
>>35186435We can't use and we aren't going to let them leave. Why not give it to them to keep them happy and leave them with the impression they will get to leave and then just take it from them when it's of use?
Wait, why don't we ask Lyle what is the best way to break members of the Union. He must have some experience in this area
>>35186535I have a feeling he'd jut tell us to keep doing what where doing.
>>35186435>>35186485>>35186494Really now Don't you guys just feel like testing our new regen tanks with the twins It be fun as they scream
>>35186567Who said they would be awake for the procedure?
>>35186567Now that's just cruel for the sake of being cruel anon.
>>35186567Not really. We could just take a blood sample and clone them.
>>35186600>>35186606>>35186604But its ironic isn't?They showed us how it worked and now we built our own Let them enjoy the end product of their labour
>>35185931"Are you aware of the location of Constantinople?""Yea, up my ass an' round the corner. Why don't you ask that peice of shit Coil?""He claimed it is in the Sagittarius system, is this correct?"Lyle stifled a chuckle as he gasps for more air, and stretches his neck with a sickening crack. "Coil's a fucking moron. Sagittarius was my post back in the day, but that dipshit never stepped tentacle on Commonwealth soil."Interesting. Well at least you know not to trust Coil's information on the Commonwealth, although that doesn't leave much in the way of good sources."What is the state of affairs between the Commonwealth and Union?""An' why the flyin fuck are you so curious? Getting into politics, are we?""You appear to be dehydrated. Humans require so much water, but there is so little here."Lyle makes an effort to spit, although he manages little more than an emphatic spray of sweat that is lost in the humid air. "Fuck you! I had a sweet gig, ok? Drop troopers get some good trainin' and better gear. Between that and the odd jobs from that fat fuck of a contact I had it made. I never gave a shit who wanted who dead or why, I just made sure it got done."Your drone moves around the room, slowly pacing around his cocoon. "Yet you are here, trapped.""Yea, well you can blame that on shitty intelligence work." Lyle sits still for a while longer before speaking again. "Never watched the news much, but there was never much love between the pigs and the dogs. I doubt they made nice while I was away.""Pigs and dogs?"Lyle grinds his teeth as he attempts to stretch himself in his position. "Yea, Union pigs and Commonwealth dogs."Interesting.>Ask (write in)>Speak (write in)>Other>Leave
>>35186535He's a drop trooper, not a professional torturer.Besides, there's no need to break them. They aren't a hard guy like Lyle. They're already rather despondent.>>35186485Theseus has offered plenty of simple information before with no payment, just to satisfy curiosity.It's information that's of more tactical value like technology or the location of Zero Five or how to attack a Union vessel without making it implode to steal its canderon, that he was reluctant to part with.'How banking works' is probably in the free aisle. And knowing how easily, or not, that he can bypass Union tech is of no tactical value to the hive, which doesn't use such computers.He's offered information on how and where Canderon is mined, he's offered general info on the various other species and factions, finding out how useful as an ally he might be, if we help him sneak close enough to compromise more Union ships, can only benefit him.>>35186663Yes yes, mwahahaha, ironic. But rather counterproductive to the hive's interest in keeping them complacent.
>>35186687Here's something he'll love to talk about.How did you first get your ship?How did you get Coil as a pilot?
>>35186687>Ask (write in)How would you feel about talking with some one who isn't Me?
>>35186663EAD anon, we still need them for the drop suit and combat armor.
>>35186687>>35186717Supporting this, may as well have a little chat while we aren't sweating our insect ovaries off.
>>35186732Not happening.>>35186755It's also rather pivotal, because we know something he might not.Coil is under orders from his homeworld as a covert agent, he's far from an independent employee.
>>35186745you forgot:Cybernetics & Magnetic Levitation
>>35186687How did you first get your ship?How did you get Coil as a pilot?
>>35186789I think the regen tanks are more useful for dissecting the cybernetics than the twins are, at this point.Not that this detracts from your point.You just reminded me that it's time to lay a dozen regen tanks and queue Cybernetics as a research subject, really.In addition to experimenting on the humans next after they're healed and parasited.
>>35186687>Ask So are they been actively harrassing each other?
>>35186890He JUST said he doesn't pay attention.And also you already know they've had a truce for years now, tense as it might be. The Proxima Convention.
>>35186687Where did you get the twins?Why did you have cybernetics? (We already know the answer it's to see how he responds)Why were you in prison?Whats a pig?What's a dog?
>>35186909>>35186890Prob black ops, proxy wars and other cold war shit against each other though We never heard how the unity escaped the unions control in the first place did we?Maybe lyle did ops for each side, cant be an independent agent like him without knowing the score
>>35186909I call BS on that, any merc who don't know what's going on in the world is not likely to last long in his profession. But then again, what he knows about the recent events is going to be dated by now.
>>35186988>cant be an independent agent like him without knowing the scoreExcept he just explained how he can, are you dense?>I never gave a shit who wanted who dead or why, I just made sure it got done."Never underestimate the power of not giving a fuck.
>>35187017And? If he's bullshitting, asking a second time isn't going to make him suddenly an Honest Joe.
>>35187030He can make deals with the unity He knows stuff and got the contacts to find out He's just faking being an idiot or he's just an ass
>>35187055We ask him a second time, then we can use all those new chemicals we make to alter his state of mind to get more out of him.
>>35187185our start asking what he wants food, water, his limbs and maybe company if the info good enough
>>35186687"And what about Coil? How did he come to you?"Lyle leans his head against the wall and slowly blinks. "Found the little shit on Deep Song. Poor bastard had a case of illegal cargo and nowhere to call home. Said he'd make my ship the fastest ship in space if I took him aboard." He laughs softly to himself. "I told him to fuck off, but when he said he had a working slip drive on offer, and then he showed me the fuckin thing, well fuck, who would say no to that?"The little shitter's a coward and a moron though. Eventually I found out that not only did he have no fucking clue how to actually maintain the damn thing, but he actually thought it was goddamn, shit you not, magic!" His laughing continues, despite the growing cramps in his side. "I mean what in the fuck? The guy's a member of some big mysterious race of technophiles and it turns out he worships a fucking engine. I might as well start the church of diesel! Fuckin' gets me every time I think about it.""And what about your ship?""My baby, you mean?" He almost yells, although as you think he is about to go into a fit he jerks to the side and gasps in pain. "Stole it from Helviti when I was done with the place. Nasty prison planet, never considered good enough for a colony but the ore is too rich to pass up. Patrols went by the camp nightly, and sometimes they'd stop to refuel. A month of prep work and a riot later, and whata-ya-know, I got myself a nice little drop ship. Of course it didn't have a drive back then, so I had to drift for a while before somebody showed up. A little freight runner by the name of the Fat Lady showed up looking for salvage. Good mates they turned out to be. Scrap smugglers as it happened, few deals later and I manage to get my way to Valen space." Lyle's eyes seem unfocused, as if lost in thought.>Ask (write in)>Say (write in)>Other>Leave
>>35187246Sneaky Ceph. Sneaky.Okay, he's useless, a stonewalling ass. We're done here.>LeaveBut. Make regen tanks so we can start analyzing Lyle's cybernetics and undo the damage we did by leaving him to starve here.Then he can suffer all over again.
>>35187289If we're going to do that, let's say this when we exit:"Thank you for the very entertaining story. We'll see about the accommodations. And don't worry about your ship. We don't."
>>35187246>Lyle hasn't said 'cunt' yetAre we sure his accent's Australian?>Leave
>>35187246>LeaveThe Ceph are like a species of AdMechs. Only their god is real. And evil.
>>35187246>SayCoil appears to be mostly correct about the slip drive. It is not magic, but it is alive in a way.Might as well let him think about things. Give and take in this conversation.>AskAbout the twins. How does the Commonwealth and Union handle xenos like us. Yes we know what the Union's protocols and all, but I would still like to hear it from him.
>>35187443No. Absolutely none of the above.Just go.>Give and takeOh wait you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.The only thing we're giving him is water and food for questions answered.
>>35187246>>Ask:-Where did you get the Twins?>>Say:You seem uncomfortable stuck to the wall. Do not worry that will change when we give you your arms back. (Test Run for attaching parasite drones and healing humans with are pods.)
>>35187518Just his normal limbs no cybernetics.
>>35187476Yes, Give and take. It works. He's not going anywhere and letting him think on things will keep him from going nutty in isolation.
>>35187518One normal limb at a time.
>>35187659>telling people secrets just to make them feel betterfluff....
>>35187720Not the WHOLE truth, just enough to make him think about things. We will never free him, he's too dangerous. Besides, the crystals are a threat to everyone in the end. On the other hand, if we really told them anything about them, would you believe it? Would Lyle?
>>35187801Why not just make the walls display movies about how great Lee is to entertain him?
>>35187801>Besides, the crystals are a threat to everyone in the end.That is just an assumption at this point dumbass.
>>35187246"And what of the twins?""What? They're alive? Well that's good. Little buggers had it rough. Taidarens don't really have a concept for a single person. Their word for individual is the same as woman, and their word for men are all synonymous with triplets. Any less then that is like a man without nuts." Lyle shifts slightly from one side to another in a vain effort to find a more comfortable position. "Found em in the squalor on Gideon living in the old atmo-processor. They usually hollow them out and turn them into space ports once the planet's good and baked, and the lower levels were nothin' but slums. I bought some info on a head I was huntin' there and they little shits grew on me. Never knew what happened to poor ol' Lewey. Never felt right to ask.""You seem uncomfortable.""Gee, and I feel just great. Normally I got these big limbs weighing me down all the time. This new situation is just fucking wonderful.""If you continue to cooperate, perhaps that situation can be improved."Lyle watches as your drone leaves and the door flexes shut behind him.>Speak with Coil>Speak with the twins>Other (write in)
>>35187868That can work too.
>>35187969>Speak with the twins>Speak with Coil
>>35187969>Speak with the twins
>>35187969>write in>Speak with TheseusDear sweet Theseus.What is the political climate like between the five factions? You won't stone wall us like that other guy.
>>35188051Unless of course he wants us to pay for the info, in which case, fuck you you happy merchant>>35187969>Speak with the twinsThey do realize that credits don't mean jackshit here, right?
>>35188094Yeah. What the hell do they spend all their credits on.It better be splurging it every paycheck on huge amounts of food and not saving up for buying their own ship.
>>35187969>Speak with the twinsI hope they don't realize credits mean jack shit here. We can just pay them a pittance out of our loot.
>>35187969>Speak with the twinsYou find Huey and Dewey deep within the bowels of Lyle's ship. They seem as at home in the conduits as your drones are in the hive. Your speaker clangs a claw on the bulkhead and one of them quickly pops their head from the ceiling, and then quickly retracts halfway back as he sees your drone.>Ask (write in)>Say (write in)>Other
>>35188295>Ask-What is pay?
>>35188295>Ask (We heard you were complaining about the lack of pay.)
>>35188295"What would you purchase with your credits?"
>>35188295>>AskWhat do you want to do with your "pay"?Also ask them how taidaren society works
>>35188295>Ask (write in)"What is your favourite food?"
>>35188295>AskWhat is this thing called 'pay'?
>>35188312>>35188405Oh yeah, starting off the negotiations REAL strong here. Guys. Guys.... Guys, this is not how you deal with people. We're not idiots, and economy is clearly not an unfathomable question to us. Going into things like an uneducated rube only emboldens them to ask for an outrageous salary. And, while we do know that credits are worth SOMETHING, we don't actually have a practical perspective of its specific value.
>>35188295Your drone looks up into the vent and lets out a chirp as it speaks."You are not happy here?"Another small head shimmies out of the vent beside the other and they share a quick glance."No.""No pay.""No leave.""No happy.""What is this 'pay'"? Your drone asks. The twins seem confused for a moment."Pay to spend on things.""Food and guns.""Guns, guns!""Nice guns. Yes.""Yes, nice."They whistle and chirp at each other in agreement for a moment before turning back to your drone.""Things to spend and place to spend it.""Markets.""Shops.""Nice restaurants.""Kicked out of nice restaurants.""Bad restaurants better anyway.""Yes.""Yes.They turn back to you, bobbing in and out of the vent as they speak to give themselves enough room."Shops.""Shiney guns.""Smelly food.""Pay.">Say (write in)>Ask (write in)>Other
>>35188405Heh, this. I really wanna ask this question.
>>35188524What this guy said.>>35188354What kind of foods would they enjoy?
>>35188524>>Ask (write in)And what do you seek to acquire at these 'shops' and 'restaurants'?
>>35188524Why would you pay for things you get free?Isn't everything free?
>>35188524>Say (write in)No shops here, no restaurants here>Ask (write in)What else you want?
>>35188524If they want some of the captured Union ballistic weapons, they're welcome to them, far as I'm concerned.I'd be inclined to do culinary research too. It's the kind of thing that wouldn't benefit from more than a few Thinkers' attention anyway, so the cost is negligible.>Say (write in)"If you work, you can have guns."
>>35188624Yeah noWe are not giving weapons to the nervous lizards
>>35188624>Prisoners>GunsAt least tell me you're giving it to them unloaded jeez.
>>35188650>>35188655They aren't really a threat and they have no means of leaving. So I'm fine with giving them guns. Its not like we'll lose a named character or something even if they try and escape
>>35188650>>35188655I don't care wither way. They can't do shit. They don't seem like fighters anyway. If you're REALLY worried, we can put monitor bugs on them when they're allowed to go above-ground for fresh air and shooting shit. Don't let them have the guns otherwise.
>>35188624Why in the world would you focus on the guns, the stupidest thing to give them, when we can offer food.We just have to start a research subject into 'flavor'.
>>35188754We can give them guns immediately is why. it's not really important either way. Hell, they could already do tons of damage with the ship they have relatively unmonitored access to already.
>>35188701How about fuck no. They aren't here willingly, twitchy as jackrabbit on meth, and not noted for their decision making skills. I mean, we could agree to give them guns upon their release, but they we can't afford to arm them at this point.
>>35188772We can give them promises immediately. And those aren't as dumb.
>>35188524"There are no shops here. What sort of food would you like?"The twins wiggle in the vent until the both of them collapse to the floor, their arms wrything in all directions to right themselves. They hoist themselves up on their rear four limbs and wring the fingers of their forearms together."Old tomatoes.""Brown apples.""Stinky fish.""Fresh oranges."The other looks at his brother in confusion. Huey returns the stare. "Only thing best fresh." They both turn to face your drone."Only thing. Yes.""Up-ground nice.""Juicy things.""Things to shoot.""Things to eat.""Good things.""Not like day old Nalep.""Hit by truck.""Yes.""Day old.""Not more, not less.""Yes. Perfect.""Yes.">Offer food>Offer to let them roam the surface>Offer to give them guns to hunt>Other
>>35188701>>35188718Hivemind but no. You do not give unwilling prisoners access to weapons that may otherwise injure drones, themselves or others. I repeat, you DO NOT give unwilling PRISONERS WEAPONS under any circumstances.
Okay, now that we're approaching Science Time.We need the drones to do it.These seem appropriate, right.Small MedicMandible: Biological interface 20Claw: Hypodermic 2Legs: Endurance 1Size: SmallCost: 5NUpkeep: 2N
>>35188836>>Offer food>>Offer to let them roam the surfacelet me guess, the last one is like a raccoon. A road-killed raccoon.
>>35188836>>Offer foodNow we just need to know how to synthesize the pungent bouquet of flavors involved.
>>35188843I'm becoming increasingly unsure that 'unwilling' accurately describes them. I don't think they care as long as they're provided their basic creature comforts. They're aggressively acquired laborers.They're unhappy they don't have nice things, not that they're on this planet.
>>35188836>Offer food>Offer to let them roam the surfaceIm willing to go that far but no moreIf they still bitch then threaten to kill them >>35188847Whats the point of a small medic?Our drones are disposable anyway We can install a regen tank onto a large drone to make a mobile hospital if needed
>>35188836>>Offer food>>Offer to let them roam the surface
>>35188847'Medic' seems like a misnomer. It's more like a drug factory. Not really focused on medical treatment.
>>35188881What part of 'Science Time' did you not get.
>>35188939The part where it could conceivably refer to at least half a dozen different things, probably.
>>35188836>Offer food>Offer to let them roam the surfaceBut keep a couple of drones with them at all times. Don't want them to escape or get eaten by the local fauna.
>>35188986It clearly doesn't mean healing your drones.It's kinda been a thing mentioned repeatedly over the last several threads, experimenting on the humans with the biological interface adaptation.
>>35188836"The surface is dangerous." Your drone says. The twins seem rather eager."So was home.""So is planet."They lower themselves to all six of their limbs and scamper around your drone"We find food.""Under boring.""Top exiting!""If you continue to help, you can go to the surface."The two skitter away, their tiny graspers sliding slightly on the bulkhead floor as they turn the corner."Yes!""Yes!"This is agreeable.""Agreeable, yes.""Very well..." They are already out of view by the time your drone finishes. In moments they are by the airlock, environment suits half-suited, chirping gleefully.>Let them roam the area>Stop them (write in)>Other
>>35189084Let them roam, but keep an eye on them.
>>35189084>Let them roam the areaThis I fine. Give them an escort though, I'd rather they didn't get eaten by some random beast.
>>35188939You know its funny really.We only had one person bring up a design right at the start and it actually was for something we were doing.It looked like for the first time in a thread, we wouldn't have to deal with someone dumping their designs and the resulting feedback loop.Well here's some feedback for ya. The designs a waste.It's cheaper for us just to recycle and make new drones for anything too damaged and given the amount of upgrades we go through well. If this thing is supposed to take prisoners well we got special ammo for our weapons and gas to do that.And really for dealing with anything complex in a drone or other creatures is gonna require the regen tank not this thing.>>35189084Let them roam with an escort
>>35189142>It's cheaper for us just to recycle and make new drones for anything too damaged and given the amount of upgrades we go through well.That isn't what it's for.
>>35189194Then don't call it a medic mate
>>35189084>>Let them roam the areaBut have half dozen small sniffers keeping tabs on them at all times. Learned that lesson the hard way with Smith.
>>35189207It deals in medical experiments. Big whoop.
>>35189084>Let them roam the area-Keep watch and keep them from Dieing.
>>35189225That's not what medics do. I'm doubtful that a mobile biological interface is even useful. Single-purpose drones seem just as effective since we've already got drones that can take captives more effectively. Regen tanks can likely carry out most if not all currently practical medical experimentation -with lower risk- anyway.
>>35189084>Let them roam the area>otherKeeps sniffers and warriors near by to save them.
>>35189194The medic drone sort of runs counter to how the hive functions. It's a swarm, a zerg rush of easily replaceable units with little individual worth. Much simpler to have regeneration tanks.
>>35189264Unless we are experimenting in using chemicals to manipulate human behavior, in which case they can't be confined and unconscious in a regen tank.
>>35189225Here's a tip, the following words:DoctorNurseMedic HealerHospitalClinicThey mean getting patched up to the average bloke>>35188847And since bug only has needles and not much else well you get the point
>>35189292Single-purpose drone works just as well.
>>35189292Given that the standard human combat uniform looks to be nuclear, chemical and biological proof, they only place we can use it is in our cells
>>35189334It does yeah. It doesn't really matter, the upkeep is the same, whether it can walk up and down a human and collect tissue samples in addition or not. It's basically a free feature.
>>35189357Or on civilian populations. or in ambush. or during boarding actions, depending on suiting protocol among all crewmembers.Some potential for Speaker drones to manipulate those around them with airborne agents.
>>35189357Well yeah.Being in a cell has more freedom of movement than being in a regen tank.Also being conscious helps.Small drones are also more mobile than regen tanks in case, for some reason in the future, one wants to start injecting incapacitated humans in the field with things.
>>35189084You let them work the airlock open, but you make sure to send a warrior out with them just in case.They almost immediately lose your warrior, although it doesn't seem to be from a direct effort. Your patrolling sniffers manage to keep tabs on them as they roam through the jungle, poking and prodding at various creatures. Their suits seem to protect them more from the temperature than the toxins, which they seem to completely ignore.You keep tabs on your ever growing number of input. Your ever expanding hive is growing into new and more interesting places. Your pods slowly drift into their new posts, while keeping one in your own system just in case you may need one later. The locals of Raligha continue their strange rituals, erecting totems and shrines around the entrance where your drones stand by. The humans within your hive stir and pace in their cells, unsure of what to do or what to expect. Elizabeth still sleeps, although some random thoughts seep from her mind. They seem to coalesce into a strange vision. Some distant planet long ago, filled with computers and machines of unknown purpose. The vision is cloudy, but it's obviously some memory from long ago.You look through her eyes. A reflection of a younger Elizabeth can be seen in the glass covering the shelves, her hair longer and neatly trimmed. On the far side of the room you see a man in a lab coat smiling back. His face seems familiar to you."Doctor Seiner, it's an honor to be working with your program. I wrote my thesis on your theories of communal civilizations.""The pleasure is mine. You had top marks in every class. Now, I'd like to introduce you to our little secret project out here on the edge of space..."Now that we hit the bump limit, I think this is a perfect time to discuss new design ideas. Also, I'll be running a double thread tonight.
>>35189432Humans incapacitated by our 8 ft combat monsters are not in danger of escaping
>>35189469Dun dun dun!Also:>>35180771This Frigate design looks acceptable to me.>>35188847This design seem basically acceptable despite my grumbling about it except for the misleading and stupid name and the fact that it's missing arms to actually put its claws on.
>>35189535>misleading and stupid nameYeah, poor communication there, sorry.
>>35189469>Also, I'll be running a double thread tonight.
>>35189469>double threadOH YEAHThis was presented last thread I think but I don't think there was any final say on itSpecial Operations WarriorOlfactory: Basic Acoustic: BasicPsionic: Basic Mandibles: Combat 1NBlade: Combat 1NArms: Strength 1NLegs: Sprint 1NWings: Moderate 2NUtility: Explosive Acid Glands 1NCarapace: Combat 3N10MMimetic Skin 2NSize: MediumCost: 12N10MUpkeep: 6NA cheaper alternative to sending in a full squad of Shocktroopers in missions where stealth and plausible deniability is required. These specialized Warriors are designed to be deployed in squads led a Shocktrooper. These drones are able to match a Shocktrooper's mobility with their wings, as well as having increased stealth options with their mimetic skin. They are just as expendable as their unmodified brethren, but their acid glands allow them to be used in situations where leaving a corpse is to be examined is dangerous for the future of the HiveThey are useful only in a few situations, but just putting this out.
>>35189469I'd like to propose adding gliders to our standard warrior design. The added tactical flexibility of aerial insertion and increased ease of movement over uneven terrain is well worth the 1N cost.I'd also like to propose having a singe single-purpose Regeneration Tank drone onboard all exploration ships (except probes, obviously) as standard procedure.>>35189573I propose "Crack Baby" as the official name.More seriously, how about "Leech"?
>>35189469Well, first I have some questions relevant to drone design.We've reverse engineered the regen tanks, so we now also understand the Union's medical technology scanning abilities.If we stick a parasite drone inside a human, would Adaptive camouflage and Mimetic skin be helpful in evading detection by medical scanning? Would radiator tubes be necessary to hide thermally, or could it just naturally blend in with a human body temperature?Adaptive camoflage is said to give bonus against radar, and presumably CAT scans are the same principle?
We really need a drone with the Seek Pod on it. Anyone got a better idea than just slapping one on a warrior to make a variant?
>>35189535Yeah I wonder about the heavy armor though. I guess it makes sense when consider these are the heaviest ships we can -affordably- cloak, and we're still trying to keep under the Union's radar.Also, could we design a fighter drone? 50 fighters is a bit much for a frigate, in my opinion. Make much more sense to design a cloaked interceptor-type ship for hit and run attacks on enemy vessels and put maybe half a dozen on a frigate.
>>35189647Q:>Conversely would it simply be better to have ship specced out for Point Defense that we use to cover ships using Cyclotrons as their PD equivalent? Part of that question would also be, would you allow a PD ship to actively provide covering support/defense to other ships? Range limitations?A:>This is actually one of the primary uses of the Corvette as it is faster and has more auxiliary hardpoints than any other ship. A fleet with a wide mix of weapons and equipment would be able to support and shore up each other's' weaknesses.I know there are people who don't pay attention to the ask.fm so I figured it'd be good to post in thread.
>>35189666I was somewhat iffy about the heavy armor, but realistically once we've de-cloaked, we're GENERALLY inferior in terms of maneuverability. It makes sense to double down on defense and survivability.Building fighters, I think not usefully without something like ions drives, I think. Our current fighter engine should only work in atmospheres. Still haven't actually made one of those, amusingly.
>>35189660Sticking it on a warrior variant is actually bad.Warriors and seeker carriers have very different strengths and weaknesses that sorta conflict if you smoosh them together.A Seeker Pod adaptation is a large, porous sac. Which sounds very vulnerable to damage and doesn't sound like it can be armored, either.Seekers don't need line of sight to target the enemy, while a warrior's normal projectiles do.So whatever drone is launching seekers, it's best suited to do so from behind cover, while warriors are best suited for shooting at enemies directly.A warrior with a seeker pod in line of sight would be more vulnerable to damage via the pod.So I figure it's best just to have a seeker pod on legs that hides behind cover while the warriors do their thing.
>>35189674I lost my link to that, mind being a doll and delivering providence upon the unfortunate?
So noticed Ideas for Drones in the Ask and thought I'd put Figures to them tell me what you think:Hunter Hornet (The drone design meant to be sent into enemy Territory to harass troops or Assassinate Important targets)Quantum brain 4Olfactory: Advanced 2Acoustic: Advanced 2Radio: Advanced 6N 3MEM: Moderate 2Psionic: Basic 0Mandible: Combat 1Blade: Combat 1Arms: Str 1Legs: Sprint 1Wings: Advanced 4Utility: Explosive Glands 2Tail (Combat blade) 6Carapace: Adaptive Camouflage 8Mimetic skin 2Size: Medium Cost: 42N 3MUpkeep:
>>35189713Oooor, you could just have the warrior variant hide behind cover and then if it gets flanked or something it's not completely defenseless.
>>35189728http://ask.fm/QuestDrone/answer/118123933733ask.fm is linked in the OP, you realize.
>>35189535Regarding the frigate design. Questdrone responded to questions about Point Defense Q:>How do Cyclotrons fair vs Autocannons in terms of point defense? Does each have their own advantage depending upon the target and are otherwise comparable in effectiveness. If so, can you please give a quick rundown of said situations. A:>They both have advantages and disadvantages. With regards to point defense, as in intercepting missiles and destroying fighters, the autocannons win out by far, but that's not to say that the cyclotrons don't fill a useful role in an auxiliary hardpoint. With their low rate of fire they are not as good at intercepting incoming missiles or fighters, but when up against larger targets they can lay down a barrage of low damage, sensor disrupting fire to reduce the target ship's accuracy, making them less likely to hit your ship with unguided weapons. If you want some good old fashioned flak though, there's no better way to go then autocannons with explosive rounds.>The main reason the weapons all cost the same is because none of them are direct upgrades. They all have some kind of useful niche purpose that makes them useful, but at the cost of the use of another weapon type.Q:>Due to them both being useful, would it be possible to split the hardpoints between Cyclotrons and Autocannons? If so, it would obviously result in reduced maximum effectiveness but result in a somewhat more balanced ship. A:>Spit the same hardpoint? No, I think at that point ship design would become far too complex to design and keep track of.My bad fucked up the greentext>>35189728no problem. Its in the OP as well http://ask.fm/Questdrone
>>35189744Except for the exact same upkeep, you can have two drones: a seeker pod one, and a warrior to guard it.Either way it'll have a big soft vulnerable spot in the seeker pod, even if the two are combined.
>>35189711Well so far we haven't had much need for aerial fighter craft. The only ships that regularly move through the atmosphere are transports from larger FTL ships. And we've got particle beam bunkers for those. Maybe we could construct a simple rocket propelled ship, but then I again that would be all but impossible to cloak
Does anyone think we should start scouting out a location in the Desert for a Hive Compund?Also, did we ever find another location for are hive after we decided to search some more?
>>35189786Still losing out on limb cost having two drones instead of one. Unless the seeker pod is literally JUST a seeker pod, in which case it has to be dragged in and out of battles which is a potential risk and probably slows the bearer down more than having it be designed into their biology.
>>35189832>Still losing out on limb cost having two drones instead of one.Not true.Seeker Pod 10Sprint Legs 111N upfront, but 5N upkeep. Which is the same as the increase in upkeep of 5N by adding it to a warrior.
>>35189609If we could get a shocktrooper to use their quantum brain to think for an entire group of these things they would be devastating. An entire squad of giant murderbugs that are capable of thinking tactically for themselves.
>>35189660>>35189713>>35189832Because Seekers cost at least 10N, whatever drone has them is going to be expensive nonetheless.I imagined the seeker as more of a Grenadier type unit.Seeker DroneOlfactory: Basic Acoustic: BasicRadio: Basic 1NPsionic: Basic Mandibles: Combat 1NBlade: Combat 1NArms: Strength 1NLegs: Sprint 1NUtility: Seeker Pod 10N (10 seekers, Incendiary)Carapace: Combat 3N10MSize: MediumCost: 18N10MUpkeep: 9NIts based on the warrior with a seeker pod. I honestly can't think of a way to make these cost-effective. Any suggestions will be appreciated.>>35189845That could work too. But it'll be very vulnerable without armor.
>>35189786The thing with that though it doesn't matter if it gets damaged. IT WILL GROW BACK. The only thing that would happen is the drone wouldn't be able to use the pod until it healed.
>>35189642While medical scans are far more detailed, and thus far more difficult to hide from, yes, you could use camo to hide from medical scans. A full body checkup like a CAT scan would still detect some abnormality, but it would appear as a large tumor or cyst as opposed to a giant, squirming insect monster hugging your kidneys.That is, until they go in to remove it thinking it just a tumor.That is a scene I would love to write, so very much.>>35189816You are still searching, but with the cloud cover hampering any effort to search from orbit, it may take some time.
>>35189888Can parasite drones wriggle around and attack humans on it's own without a host?If so then the surgeon is going to be pretty traumatized.
>>35189888That is a scene I'd love to read. We can fit the parasite drone with an explosive sac right? Just in case a person with one inside is captured. We wouldn't want them getting anything more than a quick glimpse.
>>35189864Alternatively, we could stick the pod on a flying drone. But it'll be slow, noticeable, and especially vulnerable to damage, I think.One thing to generally not is that our wings are NOT sneaky. They're loud, especially going top speeds. Not so bad for smaller drones, obviously.
>>35189919Yes, but only If we build it to be.
>>35189865If you combine a seeker pod and a warrior, then if you use it like a warrior -- charging out of cover to fire on the enemy--that upkeep for the seeker pod is wasted.If you use that seeker-warrior as a seeker pod, hiding behind cover, that upkeep for the warrior adaptations is wasted.If you have two drones, each specialized to their role, they can do both simultaneously. Or both can hold back and one can guard the other. It's more flexible to specialize.
>>35189919If they can use an explosive/acid sac he won't be traumatized for very long
>>35189786>>35189862Wait, could a shocktrooper lead a squad of differentiated units and psionically maintain a link between all of them? If it was capable of tracking targets through the eyes of one of the warriors assigned to it, could it use that information to give a seeker pod drone a target? I'm basically asking if it could use the advantages of it's quantum brain to lead a group of standard or unique warriors as a single unit.
>>35189929We could add a Rim Jet to make it fast. I've designed a Drone design that does just that and it blinds into the sky.
>>35189941Not in all cases. The way I'm looking at it is that seeker pods are valuable. Not just in terms of nutrients, but in on-field tactical value, they are important. Slapping armor on that drone provides a tangible, if hopefully unneeded, advantage to the survivability and retention of that battlefield resource throughout engagements. While, yes, deploying them defensively.The cost isn't even that much, honestly.
>>35189956What?Why would that happen. The queen leads them. The queen uses the senses of all her drones to guide the other drones. They're all networked through the queen -- or through a thinker if the queen isn't relayed to them.
>>35189941Or you could have a warrior firing at them and releasing the Seekers at the same time, because noting stop him from doing that.
>>35189956We already do that automatically with every one of our drones. Sorry.>>35189978Considered a Ram Jet aerodynamic drone with seeker pods for air bombing support. Probably not worth the cost though unless we're entering full-blown invasion territory.
>>35189956>>35189995I think he meant the combat bonus that a Shocktrooper's Quantum Brain gives to surrounding drones. IIRC, QD said that one Shocktrooper can provide a bonus to around 10 drones
>>35189983Then you can be very careful about making sure the warriors are guarding the cover well while they fire at the enemy nearby. It's basically just as effective.Preventing the enemy from getting line of sight is a better use of the same resources than adding armor.
>>35189919Yes. If you don't give it legs it could still wiggle around like a snake, and if you give it arms and claws it could pull itself around with those at the very least.>>35189921Yes.Alternatively, the drone could make a quick escape and scurry off into the vents.
>>35190012That's not for the quantum brain. Quantum brain only gives a bonus to the drone that has it, allowing it to make decisions without the hivemind.Thee shared bonus is for the senses. Which are the same bonuses that nearby sniffers could provide, really.
>>35190012That's just a bonus from being jam-packed with sense organs. There's nothing special about shock troopers.
>>35190023Theres no way we could give it an egglayer right? But if so... oh god it'd be beautiful
>>35190006That's the reason I haven't posted it. When we let loss the crabs of War (the only purpose I see for the Crabs is packing them into crates and dropping them on troops) I'll post all the War designs I've thought of, but until then I'm holding on to them.
>>35190022You're assuming that combat operations go at least mostly to plan. I'm not. I want to ruggedize a weapons platform, essentially.
>>35190023Cool. Then I have a proposal.ParasiteMandible: Biological interface 20Claw: Hypodermic 2Acid glands 1Quantum brain 4Carapace: Adaptive camouflage 8, Mimetic skin 2Legs: Sprint 1Size: SmallCost: 9NUpkeep: 4NThe quantum brain is there so that it can follow our standing orders in case the host somehow escapes our range in some worst-case scenario.
>>35190055>Parasite Drone + miniaturized Egglayer for small-drones>queue scene of human screaming as his torso bursts open with flies and parasitesI know its not gonna happen but shit man
>>35190055Who said we can't give it a egg sac?
>>35190082I'm starting to think we should stop rounding down for N costs and upkeep. Mooost designs I'm seeing lately are abusive of the current approach to cost calculation and it BUGS me.
>>35189995>>35190006Yes, but she dictate thinker drones to lead drones outside of her range on her behalf. That's why the default option for space pods and the like used to be a thinker instead of a psionic relay.Think of it, those quantum brains in the shocktroopers are dedicated to thinking tactically on the battlefield. If they could use those to order other drones, as all thinkers are able to, we could have large groups of warriors able to fight with more finesse than just rushing the enemy. As this guy stated >>35190012we could spread it out to up to 10 drones. We could have squads of warriors and maybe a seeker pod drone using their combined weaponry and strengths to exploit any week points in an enemy formation or ship. This is literally what the shocktroopers were originally conceived as doing.
>>35190113What?Rounding only saves like 1N anyway.And the biological interface costs 20N for a reason, to make small drones with it not stupidly cheap, so it already seems well compensated for.
>>35190097I know. And it would be just like a tapeworm in terms of resource consumption and people can go years without noticing they have one. >>35190109I assumed we couldn't rather than we could do to potential of being OP. It would be awesome if we can though.>>35190082I'll second that. If we can, throw on a miniaturized Egglayer too.
>>35190109Miniaturized egg sacs would be as broken as miniaturized psionic relays, at .25 the normal cost. So they shouldn't be allowed to be in small drones really.
>>35190121That guy's wrong. They give a bonus related only to the additional sensory information that they are a platform to provide in the given situation.
>>35190166Miniaturized Regeneration Tank! Better be able to fit a full grown man in it or I'll be pissed!
>>35190121Stop. quantum brains are not thinkers. accept it.
>>35190149I have received that question a lot on the ask.fm, and have avoided answering it because I was still not sure about it.I will say that a small drone can have an egg sac, but would only be able to lay small drones, and any attempt to hide it from medical exams would be out of the question. The host would suffer from malnutrition, and once the drone actually starts producing other drones there would be noticeable swelling, as well as fever and other flu-like symptoms as the body panics over having a giant, swolen bug inside it.
>>35190191Still, the point stands that we could use them to buff up other drones in combat situations.
>>35190121>able to fight with more finesse than just rushing the enemyThey're already capable of that. They've always been.
>>35190211It is terrifying.
>>35190219And Sniffers boost them the exact same amount with the exact same senses. What's your point?
I feel like we could get a lot more inventive with our design if we could have a multi stage drone, like larva-pupa-adult, allowing these parasite drones to have a more mobile form so they can get to their hosts easier
>>35190211Alright thanks QD.>>35190149leave >>35190082 as is then. No Egglayer. Though it might be worth doing later if we ever decide to be super horrifying.
>>35190241Don't go there. It's fine how it is.>>35190245Yeah. Lay, let's say, 30 of those, enough for all prisoners, even if we're only sticking them in Lyle and the Raligha humans who aren't telepathic.
>>35190191>IIRC, QD said that one Shocktrooper can provide a bonus to around 10 dronesWord of god man, unless QD says this incorrect I'm inclined to believe it.So I'm starting to think a drone carrying a seeker pod might be a good idea. We can have a nearby stormtrooper order it to remain behind cover while it sends out explosive berry birds to it's targets.
>>35190219Not because of quantum brains, no. Our warriors already gain bonuses from sensory-laden drone support. That is a thing that explicitly happens.Thinker/quantum brain support can come from ANYWHERE within our psychic range.
>>35190211So possible, but with lots of limitations that would make it much less useful in most situations.It would be very limited in how many it could produce at any given time, and would still be large enough to be easy to find.So it would have a small, but utterly terrifying niche.
>>35190264I'll second the laying of 30
>>35190267You're inclined to believe a random anon, over an anon who says that QD said something different.You have no idea how evidence works, do you?
>>35190268Seriously I'm kinda sick of the dickstroking over how awesome "shock troopers" are at this point. They ain't that special.
>>35190267Holy shit, the bonuses shocktroopers give are from their senses. They provide more for the actual battle leaders (us and support Thinkers directing the moves of all of our troops from across our vast psychic network) to work with. Better situational awareness means bonuses to battle efforts. Fancy that.There is nothing inherently or especially special/unique about shock troopers and they empathically are not leaders. They are /drones/. Drones that provide useful support functions, but drones nonetheless.
>>35190245Should we add a Quantum brain to them encase the subject leaves are range of control.
>>35190343>Should we add a Quantum brain to them...Dude, it's right there.
>>35190343Its actually in the build already. But yes that it would be best to have a Quantum brain was actually my first thought.
>>35189469New drone design proposalParasiteMandible: Biological interface 20Claw: Hypodermic 2Arm: Strength 1(?)Acid glands 1Quantum brain 4Carapace: Adaptive camouflage 8, Mimetic skin 2Legs: Sprint 1Size: SmallCost: 9NUpkeep: 4NThis drone would be capable of being surgically implanted into a host body, and would be capable of producing and injecting a wide range of chemicals and compounds, both tested and otherwise, as well as self-destructing upon discovery or capture. With the inclusion of a quantum brain it would be capable of learning the behavior of its host and adapting to it on its own, even when outside the range of the hive. Nothing short of a full physical examination and extensive scan would detect the drone, although it may appear as a slight abnormality or growth.>Lay 30>Other
>>35190351It is and now I feel like an Idiot. I looked under the title where it's usually at.
>>35190267At least that anon qualified their incorrect memory with "IIRC", but you are just willfully disbelieving when corrected?Jesus.>>33097419 >>33555907>The bonus would stack for the shock troop, but the warriors would only get the bonus from the shock troop's enhanced senses, not its quantum brain.
>>35190383>Arm: Strength 1(?)Go with dexterity.I mean if it has to run away from the surgery room, it has to be able to mess with things.
>>35190383>Lay 30Soon we will do a reimagining of a great 20th century space horror.
>>35190339Correct. The main, and just about only difference between a shock trooper and a group of warriors with sniffer and thinker support is that if they were cut off from your network the shock troopers would keep fighting, while the warriors and sniffers would slip into a coma.This also means they can be sent on fire and forget missions, with orders to self-destruct upon mission completion or imminent capture.
>>35190429...we are like the perfect terrorists.
>>35190383>Lay 30270N135N upkeepNew total:8025N 18385M
>>35190429So shocktroopers are more or less a seeker/warrior that can double jump and is capable of thinking for itself. It's like four different niche roles rolled into one.That's just pointlessly expensive and we'd be better off just having three seperate drone designs fill the same role. Heck'uva lot cheaper on nutrients too. Perhaps it's time to mothball this particular drone variety.
>>35190514I've thought the same thing ever since they were designed in the first place. They were a poor design.Or at least keeping their numbers at 20. It might be useful to have some on hand just in case, in the remote future, in a scenario we don't anticipate, we need drones with quantum brains.It's rather unlikely, with cloaked pods that can extend our range.
>>35190506What's that from and where can I WATCH IT!?
>>35190536They're semi-useful for things like running down fleeing enemies and the like, but it's honestly mostly their wings that make them individually useful.I do want to expand average warriors with gliders. Most for paratrooping.
>>35190429Okay I had a question for a while now.How the hell do we deploy the poison gas in the field? If we're storming, say, an enemy ship's enclosed hallways.
>>35190598>>35190536Question for QD, would it compromise a Warrior's armor if we add wings onto them? It's just 2N for moderate wings.
>>35190598Yeah just replace them with winged warriors.Then have some other warriors that are dense bundles of sensors. I don't think they need smell though. That's not so useful in combat. For tracking we have the Flies.
>>35190510Great.Also, considering the nat1 that allowed Smith to evade the small army of sniffers.If we had a huge enough number of sniffers to cover the jungle area, would it become impossible to critfail?
>>35190598The best thing about them is the Quantum Brain as they Learn and then share the memories about what they learned. Like during are raid on off world military action, they saw what grenades could do and then utilized said information to better are assault.
Am I the only one who imagines Dr. Elizabeth looking like BioShock Infinite Elizabeth given the line>>35189469>her hair longer and neatly trimmed?
>>35190630wouldn't it work exactly how it works for Shock Troopers?
>>35190630I could go for the wings too, really. I just assume Gliders basically don't interfere with armor at all, and I imagine they're less noisy while in use. I don't think our wing designs facilitate silent gliding, but I could be wrong and they're a pure upgrade in every way over gliders.
>>35190630Not really. Basic wings is essentially just a retractable glider made from chitin. A warrior with basic wings would be able to glide from great heights silently, although they would have no grace to speak of and would not be able to gain any altitude. More like falling with style, really.>>35190612Seekers can be loaded with all manner of chemicals, even gas. Other methods could be the subject of future research and adaptation efforts.>>35190653Nothing's ever completely impossible, although in many cases having more drones in the jungle could lead to less severe outcomes.
>>35190753I realized earlier that we really should modify the designs for stealth corvettes and lancer corvettes to include Rapid Damage Control, since it's so cheap.
>>35190753I move to update our basic warrior design with basic wings, then. the cost is negligible enough. And it's like (crappy) jetpacks for our footsoldiers! And that's awesome.>>35190794I agree with this if it hasn't already been done.
>>35190686>>35190688I'm trying to calculate the feasibility of continuing the production of Shocktroopers.>>35190636>>35190667A Fly costs 9N 1MA Warrior with medium wings costs 10N 10M Embedding flies in combat and upgrading warriors with wings would probably be more cost effective in the long-run.However, the one advantage the Shocktrooper has is it's quantum brain.I say that we just only use the Shocktroopers as they were originally designed for. As a sort or Strike Force that needs to hit hard and fast, and behind enemy lines if necessary.In short, keep the Shocktroopers as a sort of special forces, few in number and not as frontline units like We've been doing mostly.
>>35190838I agree with upgrading the Warriors to have medium wings.
>>35190383>Upgrade warriors with basic wings>Other
>>35190876>>Upgrade warriors with Moderate wings
>>35190677I keep imagining her as pic related>>35190876>Upgrade Warriors with basic wings
>>35190876No, upgrade all ship designs with RDC.
>>35190876>>Other>Upgrade warriors with Medium wings
>>35190876>>Upgrade warriors with basic wingsBasic only.
>>35190876>Upgrade warriors with ( ) wingsI'm not particular, as long as it's not the advanced sort.
>>35190876>Upgrade warriors with moderate wings>Upgrade all Corvettes and Frigates with Damage Control
>>35190876>>Upgrade warriors with basic wings
>>35190876>Upgrade warriors with basic wings>Upgrade all Corvettes and Frigates with Damage Control
>>35190876>Upgrade warriors with moderate wings
>>35190876>Upgrade warriors with moderate wings>Upgrade all Corvettes and Frigates with Damage ControlI'm assuming this variety of warrior will be kept seperate from the standard model. We don't want these on EVERY warrior.
>>35190876Hmm, there is some dispute over the wings.>Basic wingsAllow your warriors to parachute from high altitudes into combat>Moderate wingsAllow your warriors to parachute from high altitudes as well as leap>Upgrade all ships with Damage control>Other
>>35190975>>Upgrade all ships with Damage controlBasic wings are what we want, who needs leaping. We just need paratrooper style entrance.
>>35190975>Moderate wingsThe leaping thing is pretty useful. probably more useful more often than parachuting, and thus actually more economical. Leaping was pretty damn useful when facing that human compound. Right over the walls, took em by surprise.>Upgrade all ships with Damage controlYup.
>>35190975>Moderate wingsWe want a small group of exceedingly mobile warriors.>Upgrade all ships with Damage controlIt's so damn cheep its more expensive NOT to do it.
>>35190959>I'm assuming this variety of warrior will be kept seperate from the standard model. We don't want these on EVERY warrior.That's not what 'upgrade' means.This is adding them to every warrior it sounds like. I don't know why everyone wants to do it.There should be a separate paratrooper warrior.
>>35190975>Moderate wings>Upgrade all ships with Damage control
>>35190975>>Moderate wingsThe leaping gives more options for mobility, it's only +1N on the upkeep.>Y on the damage control
>>35190975>>Basic wingsWait.We are making a separate warrior variant, right.
>>35191015>>35190975WHOA WHOA WHOA, HOLD THE PHONE.QD, this is for a seperate unit, like the shocktrooper, correct? Because if it is not I would like to retract my vote for them here >>35191009. I'd still vote for the Damage Control though.
>>35191054You don't want our basic troops to be highly mobile for negligible cost?
>>35191080Literally negligible cost would be basic wings.Most of the warriors will not be needing this most of the time.
>>35191054The proposed vote is for upgrading current warriors with either parachutes or jump packs, essentially. If not, you can always make an alternative warrior variant if you wish.
>>35190975>Moderate Wings>Upgrade all ships with damage control
>>35190975Do warriors even need the radio antennae?Mere Basic Radio isn't really useful in combat that I can see.
>>35190975>>Basic wings>Upgrade all ships with Damage control
>>35190975Whoa not all of them I retract my vote too.Just have a separate winged warrior variant.
>>35191095To be fair, we don't need warriors themselves most of the time. I get that wings aren't useful underground/in ship, but in open terrain or vs fortifications or rough terrain, they're really quite useful.>>35191112I think we designed them with those back when we were paranoid about human activity and didn't have the resources to field dedicated sensor drones.
>>35191155No, they came by default at the start of the quest.
>>35191095Basic Gliders would be even less needed. Think of it this way:You're attacking a walled compound with 10 Warriors. 5 are normal and 5 have wings They cost a total of 90N 100M. The 5 jump up the walls and are evenly matched by the defenders. It could go either wayNow, if ALL of them had wings. They could easily overpower the defenders, thus making a victory easier and most likely lessen casualties on our sides. The difference is only 10N.Of course this is all just conjecture. But at least i'm trying to explain my argument.
>>35191212I'd rather drop them from an invisible shuttle/corvette.
>>35190975>Upgrade warriors with Moderate wings (2N cost, 1N upkeep)>Upgrade all ships with damage control (15N 20M, 7N upkeep for corvettes)This will delay the production of your frigates slightly as your other ships are refitted.>>35191112They are useful for detecting sources of radiation, such as power generators or other advanced technology. The fact that other races use radio so extensively is a bonus, making it very difficult to mount any kind of sneak attack against your hive without total radio silence.
>>35191177Odd. Anyway, I think we should make a dedicated close-quarters bruiser variant when we've got the tech to make it viable, while upgrading our standard warriors to something a bit more tactically flexible.Really want to crack Lyle's combat armor open for a melee weapon upgrade.
>>35191103I, for the record, second making a seperate new variant. When we're building a swarm of hundreds of warriors that 2N cost will build up fast.
>>35191230Which would stop being invisible the moment you opened the ship to drop them.
>>35191231>>Upgrade all ships with damage control (15N 20M, 7N upkeep for corvettes)>>Create new warrior variant with Moderate Wings.
>>35191251So?The point is the warriors can get over the wall they don't need to leap.We have those invisible ships already, they might as well be useful.
>>35191260That's not a vote prompt you idiot.That's a vote result.You can tell because there are no alternatives listed, like 'Other'.
>>35191247I think they'll be worth it. Lets say you're deploying a swarm of hundreds to invade, say, a city. Basic and moderate can both jump out of a corvette without issue. Only the moderate wing bearers can easily regain a height advantage over their enemy. Basic wings are useful less often, in fewer situations. Moderate wings should also speed charges a bit, get to melee faster, when there's room.
>>35191265It's allows them to be more mobile then standard Warriors all the time which is just better.
>>35191290Except moderate costs upkeep all the time in all situations, and is useful rarely.
>>35191231The delay isn't a big deal. More time to gather resources.>>35191265What if there's two walls?
>>35191278Yeah, realized that just as I posted it. Dammit, this is going to make warriors needlessly expensive. They're supposed to be cheap, mass produced units for mass attacks. This is like equipping infantry soldiers with parachutes.
>>35191314Then move the ship slightly forward to go past the second wall.Or if you need something on both sides of a wall, drop several Colossi down to tear down the walls entirely instead.
>>35191322Yeah it's a 25% increase in upkeep for purposes that aren't going to come up that often?At large scales that does add up.
So gents, so long as we're making warriors, shall we build a variant with a seeker pod? This the biological equivalent of grenade launcher that shoots homing missiles, after all. One of them will go a long way.
>>35191308The ability to leap long distances>Rarely UsefulThat's completely incorrect.
>>35191308But it massively upgrades the tactical mobility of a Warrior.I agree that +2N cost and 1N in upkeep heckles my inner jew, but I believe that it's worth it.
>>35191355No, make it a separate drone.Seeker CarrierLegs: Sprint 1Seeker Pod 10
>>35191322More like jetpacks. Which is awesome.
>>35191322>This is like equipping infantry soldiers with jetpacks.FTFYThats something the military has been trying to do for decades
>>35191322you mean Jetpacks.
>>35191361>massivelyOnly once have we found a wall that needed leaping.And we tore down that wall anyway.
>>35191368At least give it eyes, man. Really though, I'm wary of making drones that depend entirely on other drones to function that aren't basically appliances.
>>35191372>>35191376>>35191379Thank you anons, fixed the words right out of my mouth.What sane military commander would outfit ground forces with jetpacks? The person using them is basically a flying target with absolutely no cover. It would be assigned to specialty troops wit a specific role on the battlefield.
>>35191410Eyes come by default for free, so I didn't mention it. Nobody's designs mention eyes.eyesight, basic auditory, etc.
>>35191418Accidentally quoted the other post below it.Oops.
>>35191368We couldn't even control it because you didn't put any way to control it in.
>>35191384>>35191417>>35191418>Climb 50 foot cliff: jump up, cling to the rocks, repeat until on top>in wooded area: Fly up the trees for better firing angles/ambush position/ hiding spot>Urban combat: Fly up buildings>Chasing targets: Leap jump after the,>Charging enemies: Run them down faster, Feel the full weight of an 8 foot tall muscle bug on your back>In zero gravity: Maintain orientation, aids in movementI'm not so sure about the last one, but seriously, jetpack-equivalents are a good thing.
>>35191442I thought the things that come for free should be assumed to be present.Nobody said anything about the parasite drone not having a Psionic: Basic. It should just be assumed.
>>35191368Fine idea there.Olfactory: BasicAcoustic: BasicPsionic: BasicMandibles: Combat 1NBlade: Combat 1NArms: Strength 1NLegs: Sprint 1NWings: Moderate 2NUtilitiy: Seeker Pod 10NCarapace: Combat 3N10MSize: MediumTotal Cost: 19N10MUpkeep: 9N
>>35191417Probably every sane military commander since now your "ground forces" double as a light air force and are significantly faster than their wingless counterparts. There are no drawbacks here. The only thing thats really up for debate is if its worth the small amount of upkeep it takes.
>>35191417It's not like they're flying 100% of the time, that's a silly objection. The OPTION of flight is well worth the additional cost.
>>35191445They would help in zero gravity during boarding actions, but not in vacuum (although I suppose they could be swung around like counterweights, I don't think they would have all that much of an impact.)
>>35191461Looks good. Wings allow for aerial bombardment and delivery of chemical agents.
>>35191457But okay to be explicit:Acoustic: Basic 0Psionic: Basic 0Olfactory: Basic 0Legs: Sprint 1Seeker pod 10Cost 11NUpkeep 5N
>>35191457I know, I'm just giving you shit for no reason.
>>35191478Could we use them as fans to keep human buddies cool in hot weather?>>35191461LOOKS FINE TO ME.>>35191494Mostly allows for them keeping up with other forces.
>>35191461works for me.
>>35191461A seeker pod should be launching things from behind cover. Why would it need to be flying around and suited for direct combat?
>>35191508That is definitely true as well.
>>35191512Because defenseless artillery is stupid. Better to give it some defenses instead of wasting warriors protecting it. This was they can protect themselves. Additionally, aerial delivery of their payloads.
>>35191512Jump over the enemy line and use their cover against them.
>>35191512I honestly didn't want to include it, but seeing as how EVERY warrior in the hive will now be sporting wings, I didn't want it to be left out. It's not like this is designed to be a mass produced unit anyway.
>>35191532What?The seekers themselves can just fly around enemy's cover.That's what they DO.
>>35191526How is protecting it with a separate drone a waste, yet protecting it by shoving more warrior things into it not?It costs the exact same thing.
>>35191526No, expecting artillery to operate independently of any support is stupid.
I'll go ahead and start setting up for the next thread if you guys are willing to keep going.
>>35191576More than willing QD. Thanks for running btw
>>35191540He asked why the drone should have wings and I provide something that they allowed the drone to do. I also just find the idea of taking an enemies defenses and using them against them amusing. Just Imagine it the drone leaping over them releasing Seekers all the way with gun blaring.
>>35191576more then willing, but lets end drone discussion here. Rather get back to doing things.
>>35191586It's not a reason. It doesn't make sense, the seekers can go there without putting the drone in the line of fire.>>35191576Yes.sofAcce Past
>>35191526The difference between defenses that are part of the drone and defenses that are separate from the drone is the latter, you can easily redeploy.Integrating defenses into it when it spends most of its time in battle not in the line of fire is making a commitment of resources to defense that you can't redeploy elsewhere. It's unnecessary inflexibility.>>35191604Okay yeah we'll leave it in this thread.
>>35191576Oh.We need to lay like 20 Regen Tanks before we start new thread.Don't want to spend time voting on laying in new thread when we can Do Things.
>>35191586Well, they are just as capable at wielding weapons as stock warriors. Make of that what you will.
>>35191639I completely forgot about that.>>35191576 Seconding the laying of 20 Regen Tanks
What do you all think of carrying Theseus in a computer in a cloaked corvette close to Union things so he can install himself on them?It might be nice to do some covert sabotage of the Union. If they don't notice he installed himself, they'll only find out when they try to enter battle, and their systems turn on them.
>>35191639You know, the annoying thing about them is that they are utility, like seekers or gills, so it has to be attached to a drone.Looks like that guy who was going on about his medic drone is going to get his wish.
>>35191640Are drones are also easily replaceable and we can just recycle those who die for the nutrients and metal. No point to hold back.
>>35191639Yeah.And keep the regen tanks in different rooms.We don't necessarily want the 'patients' to be able to see who else is being operated on when they're brought to take their medicine.>>35191659That just means they can walk around on legs. A walking, translucent surgeon tank. Fun.
>>35191653Only if he pays us with tech.We're risking discovery with that (more so than usual)
>>35191659>going on about his medic droneIt wasn't actually for medicine, geez. That was just a really bad misnomer.The parasite drone obsoletes it, basically.It's just a cheaper version of it that doesn't get stuck inside, it just attaches on the outside.
>>35191585Always a pleasure, thanks for playing!As for the drone discussion, I think I mentioned it on the ask.fm, but you could go with any combat philosophy you want. By default, the hive's strength is fielding lots of drones that are individually weaker than the enemy forces, but use vast numbers and super-organism level cooperation to win the day. With your adaptations you could swing into the other end of the spectrum and create very expensive drones that are individually overwhelming. Once you get to a point of mimicking the durability and combat effectiveness of a human in power armor you would have an incredibly expensive, but very powerful drone, but the downside is that it would hurt a lot more to let it die.At the moment one of the hive's greatest advantages is that each individual can die without suffering any drop in morale, much like the Unity, while Humans spend lots of resources to increase the survivability of individual soldiers that each are costly to replace, and cause political and moral fallout when lost.You may lose a dozen warriors to take out a position of five Union troops, for example, but you would just replace them within the week. The Union, however, would have to conscript, train, and equipped five more troops as well as suffer the hit to morale as the news reaches other units.
>>35191692Right, yeah. Stick to cheap drones. I've always been against the bizarre expensive shock trooper obsession.Regen tanks then? In time for new thread.
>>35191639>>35191650>>35191659Olfactory: BasicAcoustic: BasicPsionic: BasicMandibles: Vocalizer 2NBlade: Hypodermic 2NArms: Dexterity 1NLegs: Endurance 1NUtility: Regeneration Tank 50NCarapace: BasicSize: MediumTotal Cost: 56NUpkeep: 28NI added a vocalizer and hypodermic add-ons as it would likely be communicating with humans or other aliens, and would need to collect blood samples from them quickly. I also thought about the biological interface, but I assume the tank does everything it can do and more.
>>35191712No.Olfactory: BasicAcoustic: BasicPsionic: BasicLegs: Endurance 1NUtility: Regeneration Tank 50NThat's it. If we want to collect tissue samples, get he small medic drone from earlier.Maybe add a speaker beak to it.
>>35191729Well I can see the logic in ditching the arms but for an extra 1N we might as well give it needlearms. I mean, the tank alone costs 50N.
>>35191707Yes, I suppose one last vote for tanks and then I'll set up the next thread.Current proposal:>20 Regeneration tanks>Proposed design:Olfactory: BasicAcoustic: BasicPsionic: BasicLegs: Endurance 1NUtility: Regeneration Tank 50NA basic tank, capable of moving to wherever it is needed the most. Not intended for field use.>Other
>>35191712Changes the Mandibles to Biological Interface so we can sustain subjects for extended periods of times by feeding them and injecting chemicals into them.
>>35191743Yeah but needlearms are cheaper if you stick them in small drones. We don't need big ones. It's not done in combat.>>35191754Yeah this is good.
>>35191754I prefer >>35191712. At the very least add a vocalizer.
>>35191758We don't need that.I'm pretty sure the regen tank includes sustaining things already as part of it. I mean it brought Lyle back to life from being medically dead. I'm pretty sure it can provide nutrition.
>>35191762How about we just add a Small Speaker variant to accompany it if we really need it.No need to combine things when we can have modular helper drones that can go where they're needed.
>>35191758I don't think I'm comfortable with that image anon
>>35191759But this isn't going to be a combat drone. Its a healing tank on legs. And the needles are an extra 1N. Depending on how that's rounded off that won't even factor into the upkeep.
>>35191754Can it feed nutrients or chemicals to Subjects as is? If not add Biological Interface.
>>35191773That would still cost more in the long run and the Small drone is the size of a fly. It is incapable of moving sufficient amounts of air to speak.
>>35191758>>35191763The tank includes a full surgical suite, including feeding tube, respirator, and organic versions of all manner of other medical equipment.Recommend sedation prior to immersion.
>>35191754add: Blade: HypodermicArms: Dexterity
>>35191789So it does do everything a can biological interface do. Can we please add a vocalizer and hypodermic needles?
>>35191788It would cost the same, actually.a Small Speaker would have 1N upkeep. Only it wouldn't have to stay to one tank all the time, like grafting a speaker thing onto the tank itself would, at 2N cost / 1N upkeep.> incapable of moving sufficient amounts of air to speak.They aren't the size of a fly? They have a minimum size of 4 cm.And they can be bigger yet still qualify as Small.
>>35191775Actually hypodermic needles are 2N, they can't be rounded away.You'd also be adding the arms to support them presumably.
>>35191810No it wouldn't. Everything in this post is impossible.
>>35191775Actually why would it need hypodermic needles? It has a full suite for performing surgery, it can already take tissue samples.
>>35191823Your face is impossible.>Speaker – (1) – 4That's the current speaker.Multiply by .25 and a Small Speaker costs 1N upkeep.http://pastebin.com/3hWCdbhNRead the freakin' pastebin man.>Small: This covers any drone a meter or less in size down to a minimum of roughly four centimeters. They can equip no weapons or armor due to their small size, but are faster, more nimble, and have a natural bonus to stealth efforts over their larger brethren. The total cost of any small drone is .25 of listed price.It can be as large as 1 meter. Where the hell are you getting your info?
>>35191830Because using the tank requires that the subject be sedated, and that, along with the process of filling the tank and getting it going will take time. If we want a quick blood sample or administer some drugs, the needles can do so much, much more efficiently and quickly.
>>35191789Okay so just a tank on legs, if it can do everything already as part of that.
>>35191836agree>>35191823Sorry anon you're retarded
>>35191850I think by "going under" it means before they get submerged. You can jab them with the surgical anesthesia needle that's part of the tank, presumably, before beginning the procedure.I mean that's probably how the humans do it.
>>35191836We actually have 3 speakers now....QD you really gotta update your copypasta for new thread.>>35191754Lay 20, whatever.
>>35191864Yes exactly, a needle. That is exactly, what we're arguing over.
>>35191898There are needles and shit as part of the regen tank already.It performs surgery, it's designed to. of course it can sedate the victim-patient. You can stick the human in the tank and jab them before dunking their head below the fluids' surface.
>>35191853>>35191830>>35191818Look, I just want to point out that the differences we're arguing about cost a total of 5N. In a unit that costs over 50N. A unit that we will scarcely use in all likelyhood.Just a reminder we also just gave every single warrior Moderate wings for 2N. We have hundreds of warriors and will need many more as time goes on. The difference to the tank drone is tiny, not even a drop in the bucket by the standards of the hive. Why is laying several entirely new drones for more nutrients desirable for such a specialized niche?
>>35191864This is correct, and even then sedation is "optional, but highly recommended" due mostly to the fact that it's essentially a person sized insect version of a pitcher plant filled with needles and giant insect legs on the inside. It is perfectly capable of diagnosing and treating injuries and illnesses without putting the subject under, but it is also safe to assume that unless they are sedated they will flip the hell out.
>>35191911Okay so it can do everything it needs to as part of the tank.Also yes that is beautifully horrifying. Can't wait. Lay away.
>>35191329What if they are INSIDE a large building with lots of space and multiple levels?Y'know, like an Underground mall or any number of structures in the FUTURE where enhanced mobility wouldn't be a detriment.It's hard to hold the high ground when the enemy can just fly up to you.
>>35191911And this is why we should include the vocalizer. The drone can actually tell the subject what is going on before it can damage the unit. Even give the poor bastard a diagnosis.
>>35191993We can just tell them via the speakers.It's not like we're doing surgery terribly often.
>>35191911Lay 20.Okay, so to learn more extensively and master human biology, QD, would we just have them in exploratory surgery for a couple days, or is just having a parasite inside them going to learn enough?
>>35191911Who knew all those threads on /d/ were of doctors.
>>35192016Do we really need 20? These things cost 51N a pop, the upkeep alone will cost 500N. These are not drones that will be used often. With 5 of them we could heal all of human captives in less than a week.
>>35192052There was that one geneticist who frequented /d/ and his ideas were far out crazy.>Use genetically modified tapeworms to combat diabetes
>>35192066Please don't tell me someone actually drew porn of that scenario. I'd like to keep my faith in humanity a little longer.
>>35192077It was actually a pretty cool look into the world of modern geneticshttp://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/27082732/>still no genetically modified catgirls
>>35192077>faith in humanity>mfw
While there was previously support for laying 20, there is a bit of conflict here.>Lay 20 tanks>Lay 10>Lay 5>Other
>>35192124>>Lay 20 tanks
>>35192124>Lay 10We don't really need twenty.
>>35192124>>Lay 1020 is overkill.
>>35192124How many humans are in critical condition?
>>35192124Either way. Let the new thread proceed.
>>35192124>Lay 10Ok, setting up the OP now.
New thread up.>>35192277