You lean back in your chair, as much to put less pressure on your still-distended stomach as to appear relaxed and totally not trying to get as much information as you can from Anchovy and her team in order to absolutely wreck her team in your coming bout. Unfortunately, however, you haven't gotten much.You are Commander Russells, of the M26E1 Pershing Heavy Tank "Black Jack" and Anchovy clearly knows what's up. But what she might not know is that you know she knows what's up. And now you have to do everything you can to keep her from realizing that you know that she knows what's up. And now you have a headache to go with that stomachache.Other than the razor-thin tightrope walk around trying to avoid giving her any information while trying to get some small amount of information yourself, the night has gone pleasantly. Anchovy has been an incredibly friendly host for you and Miho, constantly letting you try some new Italian delicacy, usually with a Japanese twist all the while inquisitively trying to dig information about your tank out of you. Its kind of flattering- she couldn't care less about the rest of the team."Another cannolli, Commander?" She asks, sliding the plate of the things across the table towards you. Those things are practically weaponised. You've got a feeling she's trying to get you food-drowsy; as close to plying you and Miho with drinks as a sixteen year old Japanese schoolgirl is going to get. "Blueberry Mochi! They're delicious.">Cry and eat more.>"So, you guys must have some big guns hidden somewhere...">Give her something small- see if she'll take the bait.>Other.
>>35120111>>Give her something small- see if she'll take the bait.
>>35120111>Give her something small- see if she'll take the bait.
>>35120111>[x] Cry and eat more. But reveal nothing.Honestly, what kind of American would get food-drunk at any meal that's not Thanksgiving?
Hey BlackJack, 'nother Episode has been fully read, edited, and posted to pastebin (http://pastebin.com/1xhVvwZJ). However, there are some editing questions that have been raised.>"I mean, I could probably have any of them if I didn't think it could..." You bloat the moment while you think. "Complicate team relations. Still, it's got to be hard for you, seeing me and Richard with girls all over us." You smile sadly at him. "And then you- with nothing to show for nearly a week of school besides a slightly longer and more disheveled beard."How long have we been on the ship by this point? One week, two?>Miho nods politely. "Pepperoni is an excellent cook! I don't think I've ever eaten that much in my life!" Thank you Miho- rescuing you from making an ass of yourself since forever.How long have we actually been a couple now?>"Alright, take us around, Cavatelli..." You say down to your driver. "Let's go have fun with their main force?" You slip another 20mm round into the chamber, getting ready for the attack- they can't be too far off, either.I know this is really nitpicky, but she’s using the Solothurn S-18/1000, right? The same one in the pic? If so, it takes 10 round Magazines, with the ability to use the 20 round magazines from the 2 cm Flak 30. So shouldn’t the passage say something like ‘You load another 10 round magazine into the feed’?
>>35120672>How long have we been on the ship by this point? One week, two?I think we'd been on the ship about a week and a half at that point? It was during the paintball fight, right?>>How long have we actually been a couple now?Roughly a month? That was mostly just a bit of literary overstatement to imply that Miho was always pulling our asses out of the fire.>I know this is really nitpicky, but she’s using the Solothurn S-18/1000, right? The same one in the pic? If so, it takes 10 round Magazines, with the ability to use the 20 round magazines from the 2 cm Flak 30. So shouldn’t the passage say something like ‘You load another 10 round magazine into the feed’?Yeah, I thought the Solothurn was roughly like the Allies' Boys Anti-Tank gun, which was a bolt-action weapon. The Solothurn actually seems closer to an auto-cannon with that description.
>>35120672Just now realized I forgot my name. Time to crack open another 5 hour energy.>>351212271. Yes, it was in between the water fights, Reader and I weren't sure if we were on ship for any length of time before the schoolyear.2. Just double checking. Time skips can make it a bit difficult to gage things.3. You are correct in that comparison. The S-18/1000 was semi-automatic, but there were also fully automatic versions made, so if you want Pepparioni to hose us with a 20mm, you can do that. It'l be no problem to retcon. Follow up questions: 1. Have you decided whether the Semovente's mentioned earlier are 75/18's or 75/46s and how many there are?2. Was the Anzio battle against Maginot told to us and Miho on the drive over?
>>351214111. Leaning towards the 75/46s- Black jack is effectively fronally immune to the 75mm howitzers.2. It was more of a flashback- Russells and Miho don't know much about it.
>>351214951. OK, editing. 2. Will make sure that's clear.>mfw I forgot my own name AGAIN!
>>35121591I am weak. I am ashamed.
>>35121495It's a shame about the Semovente 75/46 not being under Carpaccio's command. The potential match-up between her and Caesar would be dead close in that instance.Now that she's using the 105, it'll be a whole different approach on Carpaccio's part. Less competing with reloading speed, and more trying to maximize each shot's usage. Oh well, give unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's.
>>35121774Still going to be fun as hell.
You reach over and help yourself a cannolli, glancing over at Miho who ceased being amazed at your ability to pack food into your stomach some time ago. "So, you guys must have an ace up your sleeve..." You say, being friendly. "I mean, assuming you beat us you've got something to deal with the big dogs like Pravda and Black Forest..." You shrug. "We've got, well, Black Jack, of course... And a few things we're still getting running."Anchovy leans a bit- perplexed. "What makes you think we need some secret weapon?" She shrugs. "We've done pretty well so far..."Miho jumps in. "Strategy is important- but senshado ultimately comes down to knocking out their flag tank..." She looks at you and back to Anchovy. "Black Forest uses a Tiger for their flag tank- short-barrel 75mms and machinegun tankettes wouldn't be able to knock it out, even from short range."Anchovy looks caught, looking from Miho to you. "They've got something that'll hunt a Tiger." You say to Miho. The trap is set- she thinks you think you have the advantage. Which means she thinks- Ow, goddammit. Stop you need to stop going all meta.>Hint at the Porche.>Hint at the B1.>We've got what we need.>Other.
>>35122056>metaI find this way more funny that I should. and on that note:>Hint at the Porche.
>>35122056>>Hint at the Porche.>Porche
BlackJack's gone, post porches!
>>35122056>Hint at the Porche.>Other>"... Please tell me that you didn't actually acquire that 90mm Semovente. That's neither legal nor safe for senshado use."
>>35122238>as far as you know. We here at Anzio wouldn't have gotten to where we are today if we didn't utilize... creative solutions.
>>35122056>Hint at the Porche.
>>35122284>creative solutionsStill won't make 'em legal. Whether they'd enclose it or kitbash the gun onto another chassis, it will still betray the spirit of trying to work on a historical basis. It could still be used to practice their gunnery, but that's it. It won't be taken to the field.At best, it's a novelty tank. At worst, a waste of resources.
>>35122502>enclose ityeah, that's what I'm hinting at. However, since the rules on Senshado are really loose, we could argue this point till this time tomorrow and get nowhere. With that in mind, let's just agree that it's a grey area, open to author/personal interpretation, and that BlackJack has final say in the matter, OK?>for the record, he's in the same boat with you, he's made similar statements in the past.
>>35122620>90mm SemoventeI've always been of the idea that any tank which, by design, exposes its crew from any angle isn't Senshado legal.As much as I'd love Hellcats and GMCs, they're just not safe.
>>35122824If I may respectfully object, >Exhibit A. Pic related states that there are enclosed--crew compartment conversion kits for open-topped vehicles that can be purchased.>Exhibit B. Our very own Sentinel's Shielas and Sentinels. I admit as writefagging, it open to interpretation, but there is a precedent for ordering custom parts for a tank, like the featured Sentinels. >In conclusionI'd say it would be easy to find a armored roof for a Hell Cat, a Hummel or a SU-76... but something like the Semovente 90mm or a Marder, that's open on three sides, would be a big custom job, and would probably involve getting a very open minded judge to approve it.
>>35123026Well, IMO if it just roof then we should able to purchase custom room, and Senshado League will put special device for them.If it open on several place like Marder, then maybe not. Too unhistorical on one side, and may lead to decreased performance.
>>35123114That's actually another big reason, too. Many open-topped vehicles are quite light- to a certain extent, many were open-topped to save weight. By putting an enclosed crew compartment on it you could cause a steep drop in performance.It might be that its technically legal, but that its expensive and generally not worth the extra costs, risks and material.
>>35123114like I said, it's open writer/judge interpretation. Myself, If the Anzio girl came to me with the blueprints for an enclosed Semovente 90, that kept the same historical performance despite the extra weight, I'd allow it. It shows effort, creativity, and dedication to both safety and historical accuracy.Although, I am the guy whose first choice for a tank is a ISU-152, with the second being a Nashhorn, so I have a bit of a bias.
Oh mighty and wise tank wizards!Where my a lowly anon learn more about weapons and how well they do against thicknesses of armour?I need it for reasons
>>35123183well, if the engine was sightly more powerful to compensate for the extra weight, while keeping the same overall speed and handling, that could be a solution.>mfw I break my own advice on not prolonging a debate.
>>35123265https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5d1jffptfdyfgfj/AAAK_1XdIVwaH7fMUW-WBRaWa?dl=0 Not a direct answer, but here.
>>35123290Hey we do need to kill some time. And why not make it tank related while we are at it?>>35123265The Way did provide a pdf dump— >>35123321Oh... yeah, that. I haven't even gotten around to reading any of those yet.
>>35123265I have not found a specific site for that, but assuming that Wikipedia has nothing, just put '(weapon/ammo name) penetration characteristics' or a variant thereof into google and start checking. >>35123321Or just start going through that, that works too.>>35123349That you for being understanding. Have a sloth hug. and I haven't read any of that either, College is killing me this semester.
>>35123321Is there a simpler version? Like a rough comparison of x gun will mess up y armour z times out of 10?I just don't want to shit all over physics should I choose the path of writefaggotry.
>>35123394That google I shall attempt. Thanks.Oh, and since it hasn't been posted, pic related.
>>35123405http://www.wwiiequipment.com/pencalc/ give this a shot?
>>35123405The question you ask is physics related, so here's the first three links for 'physics of armor penetration'http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/16817/penetration-of-armor-platehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloped_armourhttp://www.swri.org/4org/d18/engdyn/penemech/
>>35123463You have no idea how much I want to find and hug you right now. If I have money, I'd give you $20 right now for that.
>>35123529aw shucks, t'weren't nothin'
"Well, of course!" Anchovy says. "We've made upgrades to our tank team this year! A Tiger won't be a problem." Interesting- if she isn't bluffing, that means that they've got more than one new tank. You need a bit more though. "Same for us- we've actually got our mechanics working on a project right now..." You say, leaning forward conspiratorially. "Black Jack's not going to have the only big gun on our team anymore..." You lean back again before glancing at Miho, who looks worried. "We might even have it ready for your match."You doubt that, but it can't hurt to psyche her out a bit.Anchovy's open her mouth to respond, but instead all you hear is the loud blaring of the fire alarms going off. Anchovy blinks, looking over at Pepperoni and the long-hair blond girl you assume is another lieutinant who's looking out down the hall. "What's going on?""Somethings on fire! There's a lot of smoke in the hanger!">Oh god... Where's Yukari?>Get Miho and go.>Volunteer to help with the fire!>Other.
>>35123557>>Volunteer to help with the fire!>>Oh god... Where's Yukari?...i doubt we can move but thought still count.
>>35123557>Volunteer to help with (the evacuation)It just so happens that we'll evacuate ourselves along with Miho too!
>>35123557This >>35123591 while thinking Oh God! What has Yukari done?
>>35123557>SmokeDAMMIT YUKARI! I TOLD YOU TO LEAVE THAT FLAREGUN AT HOME! >MFW almost get people killed.>Oh god... Where's Yukari?>Volunteer to help with the fire!>>35123572we can puke on her shoes when we find her.
>>35123463I think I understand the pretty flower of death that it generates. Thanks for this.>>35123476Thank you, sir. You truly live up to your trip.
I just realize that this may be Yukari's doing.You know, smoke bombs....But if this is not Yukari...>>35123608Thats really undignified as proper American Gentleman (...lol).
>>35123557>>Volunteer to help with the fire!Would we do anything less?
>>35123557>Oh god... Where's Yukari?>Volunteer to help with the fire!>Other. PTSD over the tanks being burned back on the old quest Schteel ran. All those tanks RUINED
>>351236261. she knew we wern't feeling2. we told her to leave that at home3. she's making us run.Conclusion: its a lesson for Yukari.>>35123619Thanks anon, look forward to what you write. On the WWIIEquipment sites pen chart, just remember, Green is good news for the target. It means the incoming round will never pen it. Red is bad for the target, since the round will likely penetrate. >the color key is kinda small. and yes, it is a pretty flower.
>>35123713I will try not to shit all over everything. Right now its pre-writing and research.
>>35123736Just take your time, plan it all out, read drafts aloud and to your friends, but above all, Have Fun with it.
>>35123767I will show it here, eventually. And I totally agree, if its not fun, I'm doing it wrong.
Quick question: What model of Panther do you all think Black Forest Peak uses? I ask because I'm screwing around on http://www.wwiiequipment.com/pencalc/# and I'm evaluating how useful Russian equipment might be against the Kuro line-up. Preliminary results: don't be in front of any heavies.
>>35120111>Blueberry Mochi cannolisCan you say "diabetic coma?"
>>35123907Before I check, I seem to remember the panther's mantlets had the chin, indicating they are Ausf. G, but I'm gonna go make sure.
>>35123938>implying we won't have to get our stomach pumped when we get back.
>>35123953Yes, here's a pic.
>>35123953>>35123995>using most advanced, and expensive model.Of course they are. Ok people, Rule of thumb: When fighting late-war German tanks, flank everything.
>>35124048And bring nothing smaller than long-barreled 75mm guns, unless you're firing HEAT or APBC. also, why aren't you just firing APBC anyway?
>>35124048Except if you have 122mm D25T.
>>35124092Good point: bring heavy, 100mm+ calibur Howitzers, and you don't have to worry about armor. That and I have a bit of a fond history with ISU-122s.
>>35123557BJ ded. But I know somethng that'll bring him back: 90mm HVAP can pen a Tiger II at 1.7 km.
>>35124411Pow. Right in the kisser.
>>35124466but, here's something scary: remember the Duel with Erika, the 1.8km first shot she took at us? it could still Pen us* while we were just out of our effective range. CQC urban environment was a good idea.*turret yes. Hull might weather, if hit at a 30 degree angle.
>>35124513The L/71 was a fucking hell of a drug
>>35124788Best AT gun of the war. That's why I ride a JagdPanther. When I'm not with my two ISU-122 friends.
You jump to your feet. "Fire?" You look worriedly over to Miho. Fires and boats are generally one of the least wanted match-ups in the world. Granted schoolships are island-size ships, but fires have a way of getting out of control if not taken seriously.Anchovy is already on her way to the door. "Stay here-" She says, before turning to Pepperoni. "Do we know where-" You get before the two disappear out the door. You look back at Miho, the only other person left in the room."You think...?" She starts to say."It's gotta be Yukari..." You say. Yukari had a tendency to get notions and run with them- seeing her coming to rescue you two is completely within the realm of possibility. "So, we're not going to stay in here, right?"Miho is already standing up. "I don't think that's the best course of action...">Help evacuate people.>Go find the fire and fight it.>Find Yukari and get her out before things hit other things.>Other.
>>35124843>Go find the fire and fight it.Yukari's gotta be looking for us, best not zig while she zags. Plus, brownie points with Anzio.
>>35124843>Help evacuate people.>Find Yukari and get her out before things hit other things.>>35124822Remind me to this.
>>35124843>Other.Wait outside and watch the smoke like any normal person would.We don't know how to deal with a fire, and their emergency services should have this under control
>>35124872Is that the D-25m gun on a T-44 chassis? bit of a mislabeling then.>>35124883basic tank training includes how to put out a fire. So we do know how to deal with it.
>>35124890My point still stands
>>35124890Su-122-44.Premium tank on WoT. Better than most TD on its tier.And i just grab it on chan. Maybe on GuP thread...maybe from this quest...
>>35124843>Find Yukari and get her out before things hit other things.I have a feeling they've got the other two choices under control.
>>35124916I know, I know. I'm just a stickler from proper designations. Also... I posted that image, way back when.
>>35124944Ah.here virtual handshake then.
>>35124087Well, technically, if you into English tanks, you coud risk APDS since they started to hit the field somewhere in '44.Less precise and herder to hit with, but a solid hit is a kill even at long range.
>>35124982I respond with this.
>>35124987I hope we spam APCR through the match with BFP. Something like 300mm penetration, lol.
>>35125108Well, BlackJack has HVAP, which is APCR, but let me go check to see who can do that.
>>35125125I know he does, which is why I mentioned it :D
>>35125108>>35125125inb4 GOLD NOOB YOU ********* WALLET WARRIOR or such.
>>35125141Knew that was coming. It's especially hilarious when you get to tanks that shoot APCR by default (like the Cent7/1 with the 105mm)
>>35125108We'll have to be very cautious against Kuromorimine. Sure, our 90mm L/53 can take out any of them, but the reverse is also true: even their weakest gun can take a Pershing out, especially if they have access to the Pzgr.40/42.
>>35125125Panzer IV, StuG, Porche Tiger, Hetzer... so just the Germans... We need to get some Russian tanks before the finals.>>35125141Hey, you want to call someone a Wallet warrior, look across the field. BFP has the Maus. And two KTs... and just about every late-war German tank design. Shiho's the pay-to-win asshat here. That or she's got secret Nishizumi negotiation techniques. golf ball through garden hose blowjobs
>>35125198Which is why we and our team will be anywhere but in front of them. Can you say guerrilla tanks?
>>35125204See if we can get Su-122-44 for Anzu. The trolling will be... monumental.>BFP has the Maus. And two KTs... and just about every late-war German tank design.Inb4 she acquire the only E-100 hull and modding it into JP E-100.
>>35125222you sadistic bastard.
>>35125228On which part?
>>35125222I've suggested this before, but P-1000 Ratte?
>>351252221. wait, wait, wait. Hetzer+StuG III+Su122-M=Troll platoon2. If she's going full blueprint, why not just pull a Wargaming and make it a Waffenträger auf E 100? >>35125245BJ wrote a while back that someone in the States tried that, didn't work out so well. Engine trouble and maneuverability.
>>35125269>BJ wrote a while back that someone in the States tried that, didn't work out so well. Engine trouble and maneuverability.Ah, I missed that one. Tanks! Typo intentional.On the other hand, how about some heavy arty support?
>>35125245Not worth the cost and Fluffy can dismount and sabotage it.>>35125269>1. wait, wait, wait. Hetzer+StuG III+Su122-M=Troll platoonNow we only need new crews for Hetzer.....>2. If she's going full blueprint, why not just pull a Wargaming and make it a Waffenträger auf E 100? Open top, for one. And Waffle E-100 historicity really dubious at best, outright fake if we want to honest. At least JPz E-100 has some basis on reality.
>>35125297>arty supportObligatory Arty is OP and Nerf the Arty post. ...I'll settle with brumbar. SturmTiger is too... excessive for Ooarai.
>>35125297Now you're speaking my language. Reminds me, there's an image of the Gloriana girls talking of getting a Churchill AVRE.>>351253031. we have one: Wargaming Girls. Neko-chan tries to volunteer pre-Anzio. If not them, we recruit OCs.2. My point is, I'd rather stick to War Thunder's idea of 'acceptable' tanks rather than World of Tanks. >>35125342>implying Glorious ISUs are not good enough for Best Girl to command.Care to amend that statement, Comrade?
>>35125342fucking clickers.http://imgur.com/a/DQDXl semi-related to thread at hand.
>>35125358Oh that's lovely. I can hear Yukari schlicking away already... no, wait, that's the room above me.
>>35124843BJ ded. feed him T-34-85s.
>>35125269Its not that anyone has tried it, so much that its nearly impossible to try. Considering that the P.1000 just barely even made it to the drawing board, that would mean that they'd have to have the complete designs themselves, as well as the ability to fabricate literally thousands of tons of armor and components to WWII standards. And that's just to see if the thing is even possible to use.Really, all you have to do is look at the failures of the Maus- a tank a tenth of the Ratte's size- and the fact that they literally could not find engines powerful enough to move it at more than a jogging pace. I'd say the Maus and E-100 were probably at the very limits of how big you could make a tank and still have it be operationally effective.
Dum de do... http://imgur.com/a/oCzBV
>>35125428Ok, now I'm hearing moaning. Either the roommates above me are lesbians, or I'm sharing a dorm with The Fluffy.
>>35125454...Let's find out!http://imgur.com/a/1Qw16http://imgur.com/a/TB7rC
>>35125428Oh hey, yet another picture that shows the middle plate on the Super Pershing not stopping halfway up the glacis plate.
>>35125426Good points, however a Howard Hughes-like madman with way too much time and money on his hands could try it, just to prove it was feasible.And considering the giant carrier ships of the GuP-verse, the industry for that kind of mad project exists and is thriving.
>>35125462yep, That took them over the edge. now I have to hear that in my sleep for the rest of the year. Be glad we're such good internet friends.>>35125465Is it supposed to stop halfway?
>>35125507I suspect not. But someone over at Wargaming seems to be of the idea that the second plate stops halfway up the hull, leaving upper half of the hull plate penetrable by Tier VI heavies. (ARL 44 and KV-1S, as well as the M6 with premium rounds.)
"Alright, let's start getting people out of here..." You say heading for the door, all indigestion forgotten as you go to see to the Great American Passtime: Going out and sticking yourself into situations that you probably don't need to stick yourself into. As American as Apple Pie!"Let's try to find Yukari as well..." Miho says as she follows you. "I think once we find her it might be a good idea to get out of here." She pauses. "Y'know, before they find out she started a fire in their hanger..."You look back at her. "Hey, we don't know that Yukari has anything to do with-" You stop. "Okay, yeah. Let's find Yukari and get out of here." You actually notice that there's a distinctly chemical smell. You really hope that Yukari's rescue mission isn't responsible for burning down Anzio's tank hanger.You really would like to come back here to each yourself sick at some point in the future.
NEXT TIME ON GIRLS UND PANZER QUEST.>Yukari needs rescuing.>Or do we need rescuing?>Seriously, who's rescuing who now?Girls und Panzer Quest will return tomorrow at 4-5PM PST!Follow me on Twitter for schedule updates and to find out when the thread goes live.https://twitter.com/BlackJackGuPQ
>>35125661>come back here to eat yourself sick at some point in the future.shouldn't that be 'again'?
>>35125426While I agree with you, I must say that motorisation wouldn't have been a problem for the Ratte. Maybach naval engines powerful enough to move it were readily available, and the Ratte (unlike the Maus) was envisioned with room to spare.The real nightmare would have been to develop a working drive train and transmisson for a thousand-tonnes weighing land vehicle,
>>35125670>>Yukari needs rescuing.>>Or do we need rescuing?>>Seriously, who's rescuing who now?Yo dawg, i heard you like rescuing people so we make them rescue you when you rescue them so you can rescued while rescue.
>>35125684>Maybach naval engines.Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nurnberg naval engines, sorry. Maybach was the tank engines producer.
>>35125723MAN co. Why am I not surprised?
>>35125684>working drive train and transmisson for a thousand-tonnes weighing land vehicle,Well, the Germans managed it for a 13,000 tonne vehicle.>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagger_288
>>35125738Modern engineering.ITL would have some lengthy session to determine if modern parts can be used for Ratte.
>>35125744>>35125738Welp.If we ever need to build a Gundam, we'll call Krupp on the speed dial.
and we're archived, remember to vote!
>>35125777In context of Ratte, please. Ratte was planned during 1940s, and Bagger 288 in comparison feels like it come from future.
>>35125810The basic structural and motive principles are mostly the same.Building machines that big has never really been all that problematic, from an engineering perspective. The primary problems are cost and the practicality of it's application.Also, Bagger 281, a slightly smaller but similarly absurd vehicle was built as early as 1958. So yeah.
>>35125837You are right, however the main difference between the Ratte and the Bagger (and the american mobile crawler for rockets/space shuttle for the matter) is top speed. The Bagger and MLP can hit a couple of kph top, the Ratte was envisioned with a much higher combat speed. Which would have meant a much more intricate "gearbox".
>>35125890Mmm. Transmissions have always been the bane of the Germans.Then again, this might be a possible application for Porche's Diesel-electric drive fetish. Not like they can't crib the electric motors from the last generation of U-boats, either. Just like the Diesel engines.
>>35120636Do you not understand murderous Italian hospitality? Look up Kevin James's standup routine bit on going to Italy.
>>35127506Oh god! Miho! She's skinny! We must eat to save her.