Your workers have finished resealing the hive and repairing the damage and have returned to their regular duties throughout the hive. The damage has caused a number of aggravating delays in your construction efforts, and even worse, you now have a rather discomforting feeling of paranoia and have been contemplating altering the entire layout of your tunnels, which would cause even more delays. The continuous efforts of the Union to firmly place themselves into your business are becoming more and more annoying.You watch as your guests sit in their cells. The common area is much less crowded now that the officers have been isolated, and you think you can detect a stark drop in morale among them. The twins are buried deep within the bowls of a half disassembled regeneration tank as they attempt to explain its workings to an attentive worker, tossing bits and pieces to the side as they do so. You can still sense the faint echo of thought from Elizabeth as she sits in her own cell. She is staring intently at the floor, carefully running her hands along the membrane of the hive wall as she attempts to deduce its composition and design.Your drones deep within the strange ruins of Raligha continue to look over the starmap, which remains an enigma to you. The map itself goes into extreme detail, but the information is indecipherable for the moment, its language a strange string of odd symbols and tiny carvings.Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!>Archives http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest>Twitter https://twitter.com/HiveQueenQuest>Various pasta http://pastebin.com/u/QuestDrone>FAQ ask.fm/QuestDrone
>>35028025>Current armory121 Thorn Launchers2 Thorn Cannons53 Sting Casters1 Rotary Stinger3 Fire Sprays1 Plasma Spray>Current resource reservesNutrients: 4913Metals: 23325>Hive population and upkeep cost Hive maintenance – 325Queen – 5Worker (1200) – 2400Radiator Worker (40) – 160Warrior (209) – 836Thinker (139) – 417Quantum Thinker (110) – 550Speaker – (1) – 4Digger (80) – 320Refinery (10) – 70Sniffer (2) – 8Small Sniffer (40) – 40Fly (10) – 40 Wasp (59) – 295Antenna (3) – 9Haz-mat Workers (20) – 80Shock Troops (40) – 520Excavator (9) – 171Colossus (6) – 90Advanced Relay (6) – 600Space Pod (3) – 90Shuttle (2) – 50Scout Corvette – 325Lancer Corvette – (2) 400Nutrient costs: 5455>IncomeMetals: 3750Nutrients: 8505Net: 970Hive Structure>Reservoir>General storage>Food storage>Advanced Laboratory>Infrastructure>Hangar facilities: Room for 40 Aero Drones and 20 Shuttles (25N)>Mine: +1500 M per day (+25 M per digger)>Asteroid mining base: +2250M per day (+50 M per digger)>Algae Farm: +8000 N per day, 80 Workers (1 worker per 100N)>Clarke Research Outpost>Hel’s Angel Prison Outpost>Docking Pylon: Space for docking and construction of 4 ships (50N)>Anti-orbital battery: 2 (125N per battery)Current construction120 FarmsNew Construction Options>Algae Farm – +100N per day, 1 worker to maintain>Hangar Expansion – Add on to current hangar facilities for your choice of +40 aero drone space, or +20 shuttle space. 50N 100M>Anti-orbital battery – A bunker armed with a massive Particle beam capable of attacking ships in orbit from the ground. It includes the power and sensor systems required to operate it. 250N 1500MShip Construction Optionshttp://pastebin.com/YTwGk8n1
>>35028047Finished Research>Panic gasThis potent gas directly triggers a sense of overwhelming danger and dread in the subject to create a mind numbing desire to flee the area as quickly as possible. While your current research shows that it should be quite effective against a variety of life forms, you are unsure exactly how they would respond without first hand field testing. Results may vary widely depending on the targets state of mind, psychology, or training.>Hallucinogenic sporesThis fungus is similar in nature to the deadly sea spores, but is far less lethal. While there may be some danger in overdose, the spores seem to cause a variety of vivid hallucinations from visions of nightmarish horrors to perceived visions of the future and everything in between. The spores are short lived, but are small enough to be invisible to the vision of most creatures, or appear as little more than dust.>Paralytic barbThe powerful toxin of this flower is fired from a small barb like a dart gun. While the barb itself is useless against even basic protection, the toxin can be loaded into a projectile or hypodermic blade with ease. The toxin itself is fast acting and long lasting, knocking out the victim long enough for the plant to digest the prey, or in the case of your hive, long enough to retrieve and capture safely. The toxin is a venom, and must be injected directly into the blood stream for it to have any effect.Current Research>Net Gun>Regeneration Tank>Skryl Data Cubes
Yes. I miss you Queenie!
I think we should focus on expanding our industry, then constructing a large fleet effectively all at once. Basically sink all of our nuetrients and metal into more algae farms and mines this turn.Oh, and what R&D would we need to make a Cerebrate to our overmind? A duchess if you will.
>>35028083"Grid ten clear.""Hey, shh, you hear that?"Your drones pick up the radio of a small foot patrol nearby. There is a long pause."No, no I don't""Yea... something's up. This place just got real quiet real fast. Something's up.""Local predator, maybe?""Maybe... Just keep an eye open. Let's keep moving.">>35028138I missed you too.
>>35028235the queen already the overmind mate just net to set up relay links that it but yeah 10 workers can make 1 farm a dayso 100 workers on construction detail can make 10 a day
>>35028235What we need is additional bases.
>>35028293>the queen already the overmind mateWell yes, I just think it might be useful to have minions with more individuality and initiative than quantum thinkers to serve as our chief lieutenants.
>>35028327it is a good idea if we can make sure they can not backstab us
>>35028293>>so 100 workers on construction detail can make 10 a dayActually it takes longer than that because of diminishing returns.
>>35028327No, everything that needs to be micromanaged already is by our Thinkers and by our drones themselves. We're fine, quit bringing this up every thread.
>>35028345Not that guy but that would but the easiest part.
>>35028352What diminishing return?We are running out of space to set up farms now?Or a hard limit on water??the only upkeep for the farm is the 1 worker we spawn to man it?So what is decreasing our returnWe playing supreme commander mate
>>35028253Speaking of sneaky shit I have a possible drone design here.Special Operations WarriorOlfactory: Basic Acoustic: BasicRadio: Basic 1NPsionic: Basic Mandibles: Combat 1NBlade: Combat 1NArms: Strength 1NLegs: Sprint 1NWings: Moderate 2NUtility: Explosive Acid Glands 1NCarapace: Combat 3N10MMimetic Skin 2NSize: MediumCost: 13N10MUpkeep: 7NIts basically a Warrior that can keep up with a Shocktrooper, has some slight stealth abilities and can use its acid glands to remove any trace of its body in case of shit getting fucked. You put 5-10 of these in a squad with one Shocktrooper as their commander.I figured these would be useful in operations where we don't want to leave any incriminating evidence behind and their cheaper than a full squad of shocktroopers. Although I admit we're probably only going to use them in rare situations.
>>35028293>but yeah 10 workers can make 1 farm a dayNeither of you seem to have been paying attention at all. The farm construction is already underway, and takes multiple days, we are literally already doing that shit. Number of farms and quantity of nutrients stored are the current bottleneck.It's happening already as fast as it possibly can. And because laying drones requires upfront laying costs, we will need to *not* start wasting the upkeep immediately, we have to let the nest egg grow, in order to be able to lay large numbers of starships. The corvette alone is 400N upfront costs each. At the current resource reserves, you can barely lay 12 of them. And then you won't be able to lay any more at all, unless you wait days to build up more excess net nutrients income to add to the reserves.>>35028235And independent minds are completely unnecessary, the queen has absolutely no mechanic that limits her capacity for control with enough psionic relays. If you're completely desperate for more NPCs to boss around, you have Quantum Thinkers.
>>35028468I'm down for keeping it on the books. Do they need the radio sensing if they're going to be stationed with Shock Troopers though?
>>35028253As your workers return to their duties and the finishing touches are made on your farms, you once again look to your hive tunnels.>Have the tunnels altered and rebuilt (will take several days)>Leave them for now>Other
>>35028532>Have the tunnels altered and rebuilt>OtherAlso fortify them further. We don't want this shit to happen again. I don't care what the metal cost is.
>>35028532>Have the tunnels altered and rebuilt (will take several days)>Other - Move the queen to another site
>>35028573>>35028555I'd support both of these.
>>35028532>Leave them for nowWait until farms are complete. I don't suppose there's an ETA for that.>>35028468Pls save specialization sperging for the end of the thread pls let's stay focused pls>>35028467I don't know about any diminishing returns. But the claim that you can build a farm with 10 drones in a day is wrong. That has never happened. Farms have always taken multiple days to build no matter how many drones are on the job.In fact right now, we are building 120 farms, and have 1200 workers for the job, and they're still not done yet, after several days of work. I forget how many.
>>35028532>>Have the tunnels altered and rebuilt (will take several days)Better to be safe than sorry and good to have you back!
>>35028467Worker labor does not scale linearly. Bigger project take exponentially longer amounts of time.>>35028555We could attempt to synthesize Lonsdaleite.
>>35028516Now that you mention it, not really.>>35028532>Have the tunnels altered and rebuilt
>>35028573>>Other - Move the queen to another sitehow about we work on our underwater tech and move under the sea?
>>35028532>Have the tunnels altered and rebuilt>Other-fortify them further. We don't want this shit to happen again. I don't care what the metal cost is.-Move the queen to another site after laying a fake queen with an egg sack and acid glands. Also, put acid glands on the advanced relays.
>>35028555>>35028654Simply fortifying the walls won't stop this from happening. We base defenses for counterattacking.
>>35028532>Alter the tunnelsYour spare workers start work at once. The process is slow, but you will soon weave an even more labyrinthine network beneath the surface. You briefly contemplate moving yourself to a new location entirely, or even creating a decoy to take up residence in your throne room.>Move yourself to a new location (where)>Create a decoy to take your place>NeitherI should also mention that the farms don't so much as have diminishing returns as have a hard cap on the number of drones that can work in the same space at once. If you have a thousand workers and you start making a farm, only a small number can squeeze into the work area at the same time, so you end up with a boost in speed going from one to five, but not when going from one hundred to five hundred.>>35028621Good to be back!
>>35028770>Move yourself to a new location (where)That artic mountain range or the desert i guessand yeah lay a egg layer to take our place here
>>35028735Forget reinforcing the walls.Adapt the cloaking technology to hide the walls from radar and sonar, maybe. Make it appear as just more ground and dirt. Although I suppose that would be costly too.Still, at least the Hel's Angel should have its cloaking devices re attached and used to make it invisible to radar and sonar. That 'hard contact' was troubling.>>35028770We don't have a new location yet. Scout for one. A mountain on the opposite side of the world.
>>35028419>>35028419No we really do need some more thinking minions to two reasons:1. We're a massive logistical bottleneck, due to us being the only person making new workers, which must be physically transported to wherever we need them. This somehow hasn't bitten us on the ass yet, but the instant we expand beyond the system it will.2. We are a single point of failure, the queen dies, the host is leaderless
>>35028770>NeitherWe need to make a proper base to move too first before we do any of this.
>>35028770>Move yourself to a new locationWhat are our options?
>>35028871The desert or that mountain range on the other side of the planet
>>35028770>Move yourself to a new location (The Mountain, for now)>Create a decoy to take your place
>>35028816We're really not at a logistical bottleneck, though your bitching has almost gotten to the point where I'd vote for making an egg layer just to shut you up. Also we'll still be the single point of failure even with lieutenants, so get over it.
>>35028770>>35028871At the moment>Mountain base (still being dug out, scouted, and set up properly, intended as research base for dangerous things)>Asteroid mining base>Hollowed out mountain that previously held the Clarke>Search for new location>Other
>>35028889We don't have a desert base yet though. Though I'd support going there. It's the next best thing to an underwater base.
>>35028770>Move yourself to a new location (Issolatied mountain facility after it has been made self reliant )>Create a decoy to take your place
>>35028954>Search for new location
>>35028932Uh, no we won't. Having lieutenants capable of truly independent action would be definition make us not a single point of failure. Also, since this is my first time playing this particular quest your hatred is rather unfounded. I am not the anon you are looking for
>>35028954>>Hollowed out mountain that previously held the Clarke
>>35029017No, you're being retarded enough in just this thread alone. Jesus christ shut up.>>35028816>1. We can make egg sacs as soon as they're needed. They aren't needed yet. We will literally lay them as soon as we need them. That has jack and shit to do with needing one that's actually sapient.>2. We are a single point of failure, the queen dies, the host is leaderlessThe queen dies, the quest ends. You'll never get to see what happens after game over anyway.The hive's a superorganism. It's like saying "we need a second person's brain in our ass---if the brain in our head dies, our body is leaderless!" Please, just stop posting and let's not waste posts about this any further.
>>35029017Fine fine, we'll lay a fucking egg layer as long as you'll shut up. The civ still ends if we, the queen, dies whether we have lieutenants or not.
>>35028954>>Search for new locationWe need to get away from the main base.
>>35028770> create a decoy to take our place.We could use a daughter anyway.>>35028932I sense much anger in you
>>35029066>We need a second person's brain in our ass---if the brain in our head dies, our body is leaderless!
>>35028954>>Otherpreviously stated possible advantages to a base burrowed under the rock in the oceanmore access to interesting samples (most of earths life if underwater it should be the same here),less concerned about the planets / hot cold cycle,easier to hide from outsiders,if someone does come to remove us i'd think we'd get a bit of a defensive advantage (we would be suited to the environment they would not be, even more so if we are very deep),would also give us options for setting up bases on other planets with oceans.
>>35029147That would require the queen grow gills though.
>>35028954>Mountain base (still being dug out, scouted, and set up properly, intended as research base for dangerous things)After it has been finished. Start looking for more locations to construct hidden bases.
>>35029183It shouldn't be too hard to slap a set of gills on ourselves. Or we could just have the Throne Room be dry.
>>35028954>Start construction of a bunker beneath the ocean>Scout for a new mountain dig site>Start construction of a bunker under the desert>None>Other
>>35029066You do realize that there have been references to feats a single queen could not do alone? There are advantages to having multiple queens
>>35029238>Start construction of a bunker under the desertBest placeHostile and very useful against shit union
>>35029238>>Start construction of a bunker beneath the oceani'm fairly sure we have gill tech, have we put that on our workers or will we have to make them first?
>>35029238>Start construction of a bunker beneath the ocean
>>35029238>Scout for a new mountain dig site
>>35029238>>Scout for a new mountain dig site
>>35029266i don't think the desert give much advantage on the surface, it will clear firing lanes and any hostile union forces will likely be in power armor so they will not care about the heat
>>35029238>Start construction of a bunker under the desertgonna have to find a water source first though for any of the new locations >>35029335yeah but the heat will mess with there scanners i think and hide us better
>>35029238>Scout for a new mountain dig siteHaving 'a' base under the ocean, fine. Having the queen there, pfah.Better to have the tons of rock of a mountain between you and orbital bombardment.
>>35029335Better than ocean though. It would not be very hard to just do a bunker bomb through the roof of the bunker and flood the entire shit.
>>35029364If everyone gills why would it matter?
>>35029364How are they going to locate it? It's under and ocean and then some, and any thermal signatures will be very effectively masked.
>>35029085Not necessarily. The hive could be operated by a thinker who could run the civilization until a related Queen was born or found. All the queen would have to do is designate a thinker to preform the actions and tell the others to listen to him. I'd recommend giving him the orders to have a new queen be born if we die and feed all of the information we've gathered to her so she can continue knowing what we know.
how about we find an underwater mountain range?
>>35029363Better to be on a different planet entirely really
>>35029277I assume it would be accessible via collapsible tunnel, which could be flooded and sealed in an emergency, while access to the ocean itself could be through moon pool access.The desert would require extensive labor to build, with a need for radiator vents to avoid overheating. It would be very difficult to find via thermal imaging due to the radiant heat of the region, and even more difficult to approach on foot.
>>35029238>Scout for a new mountain dig site>>35029400The same logic goes for mountain bases. Replace 'water' with 'rock', which is even denser.The desert is the worst choice for multiple reasons. Not least is the much less cloud cover obscuring it from orbit.
if we do move can we make sure to leave a decoy queen at our old location, ant pretend its were we are headquartered at?
>>35029238Do all of these. Best to have multiple locations to fall back to, store are queen (and thinkersl and create new launch points for colonies.
>>35029459Yeah i am inclined to retract my vote from desert to mountain
>>35029238Withdrawing this >>35029266 in favor of mountain
>>35029459>The same logic goes for mountain bases. Replace 'water' with 'rock', which is even denser.The reason it is harder to detect underwater than under a mountain is partly because water is less dense and scatters heat.
>>35029409This isn't a video game. The queen dies, we die. Just get used to it.
>>35029238>Start construction of a bunker beneath the oceanor>>Start construction of a bunker under the desertHell, make both just because we can.
>>35029238>Search for a new mountain dig site.With a quick thought you reroute a shuttle and it dives beneath the clouds in search of a suitably defensible location.>Roll 1d100 for search efforts.
Rolled 53 (1d100)>>35029662ROLLING
Rolled 55 (1d100)>>35029656
Rolled 6 (1d100)>>35029656
well regardless can we all agree to keep the new hq low profile? ie no space docks are anything that will give it away near it?
Rolled 64 (1d100)>>35029656here we go
Rolled 24 (1d100)>>35029656
>>35028253>"Yea... something's up. This place just got real quiet real fast. Something's up."Right, Raligha.I was pondering this.I'm worried they'll find the temple before they leave. And the best way to get them to leave is to give them a dose of First Contact with local Class 0 sapient life.Unfortunately we don't know the local drum language so we can't incite them to attack the invader bipeds.So I'm not sure what to even attempt to do here, that won't risk exposing the presence of non-radial-symmetric (and therefore obviously non native) drones to the humans.I mean the narration said they seemed to be winding down their search before, but they're still here. It's a gamble.
>>35029636What stops the quest from becoming Quantum Thinker Quest if the queen dies? Absolutely Nothing.
>>35029916The GM does, have you ever actually played a tabletop game?
>>35029916Because even quantum thinkers are dumb, that's why. Stop being like a quantum thinker.
>>35029936Have you? Because a game can continue after characters die.
Anyone else wanna lay some reinforcements for the troops on Raligha something like 50 warriors maybe.
>>35029656Your shuttle cruises over the landscape in a regular pattern, slowly plotting out the areas you have yet to scout in much detail. It may take some time for it to find a proper location."This is team six, I think we found something. Bit of charred ash and a small ditch. Looks like a foxhole.""Bit of ash and a hole? That isn't a very solid lead.""It's a lot more than we had a minute ago. Hold on... looks like some scratch marks on the trees. I think it leads off this way.""Yea, and into some giant rotary bear's chop shop. These things could shit napalm for all we know. Let's head back, we're done with this sector.""Let's just look at this real quick first."You hear the response from the lead ship in orbit."We're packing up already, be quick about it and don't spend more than an hour. It's looking like a standard Unity raid so far."
>>35030026The whole point of Raligha drones is maintaining secrecy and checking out the temple. More forces aren't gonna help hiding in the temple.>>35030030Well shit. Time to triangulate where exactly those transmissions were coming from(I'm guessing the trail leads to the temple cave), and maybe rouse up the natives to distract them.Time to become insect gods.
>>35029636Just wanted to mention, but in addition to that being remarkably meta of you, creating more queens/duchesses/whatever does actually help keep Queeny alive, because making her less essential to the hive's survivial makes her less of a target.>>35029954This seems like an argument in favor of making a minion smarter than a quantum thinker.
>>35030196No, we're still just as essential. Now there's just another hive somewhere else that's subservient to a different queen.
>>35029954Set quantum thinker to run shit if queen dies and make new queen. Then when new queen finished she takes over. Quantum Thinkers aren't the ideal for running, but would keep the civilization alive until the optimum alternative becomes available. That's all I was saying.
>>35030030If we make our new throne room be set up to mimic space (no gravity), then can we escape FTW with a pod from it?
>>35030235From the perspective of our enemies, that would be an academic difference. There would still be buggs trying to kill them with basically no disruption in command.
>>35030196You know what else is meta?Assuming you're going to get an extra life by changing perspective to an NPC.>>35030030Panic.That ash is from the missile they launched at us. They're following the chase sequence we had with Malek and his buddy.Which, yeah, leads to the temple.They have to be thrown off somehow without giving anything away.
>>35030316>Assuming you're going to get an extra life by changing perspective to an NPC.Yeah, see I'm not assuming that.
>>35030030Your orbiting pod swivels its sensors and gazes downward to the planet. You already have a decent idea of where they are, but the jungle is too dense to get a fix on the scouts."Hold on, looks like dried blood. More scratch marks, and look at this, it's like a giant barb of some kind. It's organic.""Great, a rotary porcupine. My guess is they survived the raid, ran off this way and were attacked by some kinda living, tooth filled tilt-a-whirl. If they had made it they would have responded to radio.""Maybe the radio died, you know, in the aforementioned tilt-a-whirl attack?""Can we just go now? Something is watching us, I can feel it. Jungles this dense don't just go silent like this."
>>35030355Really? Because that's what it looks like to everyone else.
>>35030383You seem to be of the opinion there is only one person who disagrees with you. You might want to rethink that one.
>>35030377pls just go already
>>35030377We can play, like. Charades. I guess. to communicate the direction we want the drummers to swarm in and make lots of noise. IE, humanward.
Rolled 10 (1d100)>>35030377Lets have our drones make jungle noises badly.
>>35030196Extra queens are not subservient to Queen.Only drones are subservient to Queen.
>>35030377"You reading this?"You hear the lead ship respond again, " Roger. Doesn't sound consistent with Unity weapons tech. Local predator attack isn't far fetched of an idea. We have been here for days now, if someone was still there they would have seen the air patrols.""Requesting permission to follow the trail?"There is a short pause. "Granted, but be quick about it."Your drones are still in the map chamber of the ruins, and you contemplate what to do.>Wait and hope for the best>Move out and search for the scouts>Find the local life forms and attempt to instigate them (how)>Other (write in)
>>35030316No ones assuming anything. Just stating something we can fuck do. How hard is that for you to grasp? The hive has the potential to survive without the queen and can create a new one. Kinda like how the Zerg could rebuild the Overmind and the Tyranids form splinter hives.
>>35030577>Wait and hope for the bestwe only got enough resources to hide
>>35030577>Find the local life forms and attempt to instigate themCould try using one of them like a drum to communicate?
>>35030577>>Find the local life forms and attempt to instigate them (how)Back to communicating with Lee pre speaker.Diagram on the ground of two bipedal humans.Ritualistically destroy the effigies, and go off in the humanward direction, gesturing for them to lead ahead of the warriors.
>>35030547This is true. Which was why some people suggested making Cerberate equivelents. Really the analogy isn't that hard to understand. They're stratigic commanders who can function as lesser versions of a queen, providing alternative viewpoints while still being subservient, and serving as potential backup, as although they are not queens themselves, they can create new queens if the original dies. Sure, that last bit might not help the players much, but I can't really understand why the Queen would make no contingency's for her death.
>>35030577>Other (write in)Bury/cover up the access tunnel to the temple, plan an ambush for the scouts near the temple.
>>35030602>>35030658Both of you shut up and save your pointless debate for after bump limit. It's not exactly an urgent concern.>>35030619Rather hard you don't even know the language in the first place. Also might seem a little rude and that wouldn't help.>>35030577>>Find the local life forms and attempt to instigate them (how)But also>>Move out and search for the scoutsBecause you need to know the direction to instigate them towards, I guess.
>>35030658Of course. I'm not saying more birth-sacs are a bad idea. Just pointing out that queens are not automatically loyal to their mother.Although I think the Thinkers would spawn a queen if Queen died, and they had the birth-sacs to do so.
>>35030577>Find local life and instigate themDo: >>35030632
>>35030577Split the troopers and send some to kill and eat the scouts leaving some remains to indicate what happened. While, the ones who remain should guard the "temple"
>>35030795This is probably best. We have several shock troopers (we ought to figure out some way so that they can jam enemy communications) they can probably overwhelm the enemy, or at least be mistaken for local predators.
>>35030795No. They'll report on the radio about their attackers before they go down. You can't be sure you'll kill them fast enough.It's a big risk.
>>35030869>or at least be mistaken for local predators.Which is impossible.
>>35030577>Find the local life forms and attempt to instigate them (how)>Move out and search for the scoutsMy idea is we split our troopers. Some go to find the locals and rile them up. Approach them and skitter side to side maybe, I dunno they seem pretty excited about us on their own. The goal is to get them drumming.The others go to find the enemy scouts but don't do anything unless they don't break off their approach. Even then, rustle bushes angrily or something rather than attack, if at all possible.
I only we had that sphere, communication wouldn't be an issue.
>>35031025There's no reason to think the temple archives that Vaughn absorbed contain the language of the local lifeforms, because that assumes their language remained the same after, like, a million years.
>>35031041The one that possessed Elizabeth.
>>35031082We could have put that thing in the locals.
>>35031114That seems a waste, honestly.
>>35030577Your drones quickly make their way back to the small camp on the far side of the mountain where you first found the native creatures. You can hear the sound of drumming as your reach the mouth of the cave.They appear to have been quite busy. A large collection of branches and vines has been assembled into a massive sculpture in the center of the village. A large, six limbed winged figure. A netting of wicker covers the eyes and blooming vines and lilies hang from the frame of the wings like a great cape. At the base of the effigy is a collection of items. Tightly woven wreaths, small carved totems, freshly fashioned tools and various meals set on small plates of smoothed stones.A blast of air from the hollow trees echoes through the village with a deep bellow and the creatures scatter to the edge of the village, hugging the small boubous huts that dangle from the canopy.>Attempt to communicate with them directly>Attempt to draw instructions into the dirt>Other (write in)
>>35031186Because we could have studied it and then place it in everyone.
>>35031208>Attempt to communicate with them directlyIf that fails, then try the dirt drawings.
>>35031208>Attempt to communicate with them directlyWait, what would that entail?Gestures?I guess:>Attempt to draw instructions into the dirtThough the former can't hurt. Multiple drones after all.
>>35031186We could have put it in us/a drone of ours? For direct access to the information held within? Much less complicated research project than digging it out of a frail human's head.
>>35031208>Attempt to communicate with them directly
>>35031208>Attempt to draw instructions into the dirtWhat would direct communication involve?
>>35031208>>Attempt to communicate with them directlyWe should probably reroute some thinkers for translation duties. Doubt we'll figure out anything useful for this situation from it, but this has demonstrated a need.Also, I feel a little bad for the primitive buggers. All worshipping us and shit.
>>35031208>freshly fashioned tools...Hmm. If one of those is a hunting weapon. We could use it in our demonstration.
Rolled 8 (1d100)>>35031208>Attempt to draw instructions into the dirtwelp give it a go
>>35031208Your drones slowly move into the village and examine the various items. You quickly make note of what you could only assume is some manner of weapon or hunting tool. You briefly picture one of the locals wielding a dozen of the freakish blades, spinning across the ground like a tornado of knifes. A number of strange spears are there as well, their shafts slightly curved and their ends built into delicate slings of knotted rope, as if the blade was intended to be slung from the spear like a catapult, or break off in the wound of an animal. Your drone picks one up, holding it awkwardly in its claw. The others start to move closer.Please roll 1d100 to attempt to mime your orders.
Rolled 80 (1d100)>>35031769The bipeds must fall.
Rolled 79 (1d100)>>35031769
Rolled 57 (1d100)>>35031769
>>35031769Your drone raises the weapon as if to display it. The creatures of the village hoist their own into the air, pulling them from small bags and straps along their bodies. They move forward, surrounding your drone and slowly begin to drum out a deep, rhythmic pattern. They don't know where, but they seem to understand that you want them to kill something, somewhere, and they seem more than willing to do so.>Lead them on a hunt for the approaching scouts>Point them in the right direction and watch>Other
>>35032001>Lead them on a hunt>BUT>Don't let the scouts get the opportunity to get a close look at our drones.
>>35032001>Point them in the right direction and watchBut do so by leading them a ways.Hmm. We should probably work out some kind of reward/gift to give these things.
>>35032001>Point them in the right direction and watch
>>35032001>Lead them on a hunt for the approaching scouts
>>35032001>>Lead them on a hunt for the approaching scoutsWe need to direct them until we're reasonably close.We just need to get close enough to have a more precise location for the scouts. No need to get spotted.
>>35032055>>35032105I'm worried that if you just point them, they'll target something big, juicy and tasty, well before they see the humans.
>>35032001Your drones leap into the air and the creatures spin in the dirt like living, blade covered tires. You note how the blunt end of the blades hook into the soil and bark of the trees for extra grip, sending dirt and wood chips flying behind them. Your initial estimation was quite accurate, and they keep pace with your drones like a swarm of meat grinders.Please roll 1d100, best of 3
Rolled 49 (1d100)>>35032327for the swarm
Rolled 75 (1d100)>>35032327
Rolled 55 (1d100)>>35032327
I was thinking about what the locals are using for weapons. Blades that brake off in the wounds. But for us, we can make blades that can regrow. Think, Bio-Chainsword, but with shark like teeth! When the teeth break off, they vibrate and keep digging in for awhile.
>>35032402and fill it with paralytic toxin for extra kick!
>>35032402Ideally we'd come back, figure out how to communicate with them, and then give them biotech, to set them onto the path we've taken.
>>35032402>Think, Bio-Chainsword, but with shark like teeth!No one in their right mind would use a chainsword since it is one of the single most backward ass ideas in existence.
>>35032531Or for that matter, any toxin, drug, or acid we want!
>>35032724Just let the retard parade run its route, it's pointless to try to stop them.
>>35032724It's not meant to be a real chain, but a row of teeth that has mussels that make it move back and forth so fast that it might look like a chain saw.
>>35032797Still retarded and pointless.
>>35032821>>35032786Are you qtg shit posters going to contribute to this thread or you going to crap all over the place here?
>>35032797That actually possible. look at snails that how their eat things
>>35032966*that's how they eat things.
If we want a better cutting blade, we can just finally research Lyle's combat armor that had some kind of super-heated cutting blade/wire.
>>35032966And Mantis Shrimps can generate plasma with punches.Your point?
>>35033049Or use fucking acid swords, there is no need to make a chain sword.
>>35032966Yes, snails do that, but so did this shark. This is kinda what I was thinking.
>>35032327Your drones quickly make it across the overgrown mountain, the locals leaping from tree to tree with a natural grace."Some more blood here, and some scrap of cloth."Your drones quickly close in, hunting party in tow. The local creatures scatter in all directions as you close in to surround the small scouting team and your drones hang back out of view."Shit, what was that?" You can hear the humans now, your drones slowly creep into a position and the locals roll into the trees with their knives planted into the trunks.The marines move in, three humans clad in armor, rifles at the ready. The one in the front is holding a small scrap of cloth and a chitin slug in one hand and a CIP pistol in the other. As the humans move forward you watch as the creatures pull their knives from the bark of the trees and drop to the shrubs below."The hell was- Get down!"One of the humans turns, bringing his rifle up to face the coming blade laden wagon wheel. He lets off a quick burst of fire as it rolls over him, taking his arm with it into the brush beyond. Another swings from above on a snapped vine, spinning like a top. Its knives scrape against the marine's armor until one finds a mark in a joint and sinks into the cloth. The blade breaks against the fabric but the marine is sent spinning into the dirt. The lead marine spins around and brings up his pistol. A bolt of lighting lashes out and seers the creature where it stands.You can hardly make out what they are saying as they scream a mix of orders and shocked yelps, and before they can regroup you see another creature spin itself into a frenzy with a small sling in each arm. Stones and sharp bits of flint fly at the scouting party in a haze of shrapnel like machine guns. Their armor seems to deflect the attacks, but several lucky shots knock the marines off balance as another wave of the tribal creatures charge."Team six? Team six! Report!""We're under attack! Native life is hostile!"
>>35033075No real point. I just like to learn and talk about animals and their biology.
>>35033075I still find that ridiculous.Like, where the fuck do you even come up with that idea nature, why would something so small need to punch as hard as the fury of a star.
>>35033230Some of earth's own life forms are the most damn weird and scary shit around. Pic related.
>>35033299Because Fist of the North Star. That's why.
>>35033345>www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLec58Z1Q3kBehold, the true face of fear.
>>35032899Hey. I'm not from /qtg/.I'm from AI Quest.>>35033125>>35033125>"Team six? Team six! Report!">"We're under attack! Native life is hostile!"Knew they'd be able to radio a report in before dying.Might want to withdraw the drones further back now that contact is made. Hopefully they'll retreat in a direction the drones are not in.
>>35033349>not fish of the north starYou had one job anon.
>>35033447Or we could finish them off.
>>35033431FUCK! FUCKTY FUCK! Get that thing away from me! >>35033447Well, that radio call will help pin the attack on the natives and not us at least.
>>35033491Is there any fish from tg worthy of that title?
>>35033125The locals roll over the marines with their knives out. A spray of bullets puts one of them down just as it tears into the facemask of one of the marines."Kenly's down! Fall back! Get the fuck out of here!"The two left turn to run, spraying the jungle behind them for good measure. Another local is fried with a bolt of lighting as they continue their barrage of stones and small spears. You watch as several knives find their way into the dense fabric of the marines' armor, most bounce off harmlessly, but several manage to plane themselves in the gaps between the plates and woven micro-fibres. They are meant to stop bullets, but just about anything can break if it's hit hard enough."Team six, move to evac now, a gunship is moving on your location, get to the landing site."The marines sprint across the small bridge of roots as the contents of a sling slams into the back of one of them, sending him tumbling into the river and down the cliff to the valley below. The natives finally start to slow down as the last of the scouting team moves through the brush on the far side of the river.>Pursue with your drones>Recover the bodies and let them retreat>Other>>35033431May his passing cleanse this world.
>>35033431Bobbit worms are for the most part misunderstood.
>>35033491LEE!>>35033523Spears and knives are unlikely to take out 3, or, well, 2 and a half now, marines.Maybe they can disarm another one though.
>>35033592>Recover the bodies and let them retreat
>>35033592>Recover the bodies and let them retreatMaybe we can get some tech loot from them?
>>35033592question is the scout with are barb still alive? Did he drop it? >Retrieved the bodies
>>35033595So are sting rays but look at what they did to Steve Irwin.
>>35033589What about this fellow? For those that don't know, pic related is a still living critter, they are about 2 to 3 feet long and amphibious. They can come and get you while you are sleeping on the shore
>>35033724Yes, he managed to get away through the shrubs. You are not sure if he dropped it or not.
>>35033746You know damn well that Steve Irwin held not a single drop of malice towards that sting ray. It was afraid and struck out, nothing more.
>>35033772It's good, but I was thinking more along the lines of an actual fish, which was involved in a tg quest. Can you guess it?
>>35033807My post:>>35033724Changing my vote to hunting him down, but leaving a drone or two attempt to locate the Barb. Do the barbs have a distinctive smell we could attempt to locate?
>>35033834Angler fish? I'm drawing a blank here.
>>35033953It's name contains trout.>>35033772Also an after thought: I'm praying to any and all gods that I never encounter this thing
>>35033592>Recover the bodies and let them retreatWe WANT them to get away so they can report about the crazy primitive arm-sphere things. Then the planet gets a 'no colonization!' flag and suspicion of us is deflected.I don't think the chitin slug is that big of a deal.
>>35034008Well those things live around the shores of Australia.
>>35034091Thank god I live in America, and shall never visit Australia
>>35034041It's a fairly big deal, mang.
>>35034194They don't have anything to compare it against. It's entirely inconclusive.
>>35033592>Pursue with your dronesYeah the slugs can be traced back to us.
>>35034233To are knowledge.
>>35033592Two of your drones leap off the cliff into the valley below, their wings beating like propeller engines as they land in a cloud of kicked up debris, your others inspect the dismembered marine on the ground. The body is still and the blood has stopped gushing from the shoulder, his weapon still clutched into the discarded arm. The marine at the bottom of the ravine is found in the branches of a tree. The limbs are twisted into gnarled tangles and the neck is limp at a right angle. You quickly cut the body down and carry it back to the cave entrance.You hear the engines of a gunship whine as it dips down and lifts off in a hurry, although you can't see it through the canopy."All forces, fall back at once. Repeat, fall back to the landing zone and prepare for evac."It appears that the Union has ended their search, and will be going home empty handed.>Assign thinkers to learn the native language and attempt further communication>Return to continue to guard the ruins>Offer the locals a reward (write in)>Other
>>35034233There is the first attack, when we met unity anon we used our slugs alot in that fight and i doubt the good doctor would ignore the shells in the ground.
>>35034304>Assign thinkers to learn the native language and attempt further communication
>>35034304>Assign the thinkers to learn the native language and attempt further communication>Offer the locals a rewardOne of our guns. Spike rifle, probably.
>>35034304>>Assign thinkers to learn the native language and attempt further communication
>>35034304>Assign thinkers to learn the native language and attempt further communication>Return to continue to guard the ruinsI wonder if it takes to get a thinker over to the ruins to study the place better?
>>35034304No reward, simply because we don't understand jack shit about their culture about what would be appropriate.And we can't have them appearing non-primitive when the Union inevitably sends someone back, anyway. Lyle said they often took bounties on recently found primitive species, after all.
>>35034377If they had a spike rifle then that would explain the chitin slug, should the humans investigate more.
>>35034330All instances of ranged weaponry used on Leeland were apart from Union notice. Also, I'm not confident our slugs have corresponding shells.
>>35034304>Assign thinkers to learn the native language and attempt further communication>Return to continue to guard the ruins>Offer the natives a reward (the respect they are due and Knowledge, but save that for when we can speak to them)
>>35034304>Assign thinkers to learn the native language and attempt further communication>Return to continue to guard the ruinsI want to reward them, but we've not got much on hand to do so with.Once the Union move out, we could build them shelters or something. Give them pretty metals? Beads? Blankets?
>>35034304>Assign thinkers to learn the native language and attempt further communication>Return to continue to guard the ruins>Offer the locals a reward (Spike Rifle)
>>35034530I wouldn't give them trinkets. Give them something practical.These natives could easily be our version of the Kroot, or the Skinnies (which if you're a fucking illiterate, were the allies of the Bugs in the Starship Troopers book).The natives should be given a fair deal politically as well. We are not the Union.
>>35034665Of course. It's just that our tech is fairly... focused. It's not as easily handed out as the Union's is. On the other hand, these guys might actually consent to highly invasive bio experimentation.
>>35034665Agreed. I'm all for incorporating other races, preferably peacefully, into the Hive Collective. Spreading peace though the unification of all life into one consciousness that we control.
>>35034665>>35034790>>35034835So we Phyrexian now?
>>35034909Eh. I said experimentation is an option, but I'd honestly prefer to just... let them do their thing while giving them some swag. I'm not looking to recruit them or anything, beyond cohabitation on this planet. Nor do I really want to govern them.Apathetic benevolence is my style.
>>35034304You quickly call several thinkers to your attention and have them look through your drones as they return to the village. There appears to be some manner of meal being prepared. You note several trees have been chopped down and the massive trunks have been hacked into. The trees are hollow, with twisting and tangled tubes running through the center. Your drones remain near the cave and observe the creatures as they seem to begin some celebration. Strings covered in small totems are hung from the branches of the trees and pyres are set up around the village. Their numbers appear to have increased as well.Your pod watches in silence as the small fleet pulls into a high orbit and slowly accelerates out of the system.The day on Raligha is finally ending, and as it grows dark the creatures light the bonfires and fill the air with the strange drumming language and the sound of the hollow tree horns. They seem to start a feast, although after a while you notice they appear to be covering a large wooden table in food, meat and plants of all kinds as well as more bowls of mushy paste. The massive table cut from the trunk of the local trees is places almost directly in front of the cave entrance.You tend to your hive in other places. Your shuttle finds a massive mountain many miles from your hive. The mountain appears worn smooth from wind and rain, and is covered in a layer of limestone. Small clusters of growths cling to the rocky mountainside like parasites and several large mushrooms sprout from the sides at odd angles.>Que your workers to settle the mountain and construct a bunker>Continue to search the planet>Other
>>35035021>>Continue to search the planetWe can go further than 'many miles'.
>>35035021>Que your workers to settle the mountain and construct a bunkerAnd we also should send an egglayer with some drones to Raligha.
>>35035021>>Continue to search the planet
>>35035021>Continue to search the planet
>>35035021>Que your workers to settle the mountain and construct a bunkerLimestone and water means there is likely a huge cave network here to use. Easy to set up hive layout. Lets take a look here.
>>35035002>Apathetic benevolenceI like you anon
>>35035021At a guess, the locals are expecting a queen to come out of the ruins. Unless this is a different cave, which is possible.
>>35035021>Que your workers to settle the mountain and construct a bunker>Continue to search the planet (with a free shuttle and if we don't have any lay some (I'd say 18 so we can fill the empty spaces we have in are hanger for them.)
>>35035002I support this 100 percent.
>>35035212Hum, I am starting to think that the temple, once we clear it and such, could be a good place to move the Queen over too.
>>35035021>>35035236Actually, you only have 2 shuttles at the moment, which mostly serve as cargo transport for the metal and nutrients moving to and from the asteroid outpost.>Continue to search the planetYou make note of the mountain, but continue your search in hopes of finding an even better site.>Lay more shuttles>Lay new drones/ships (write in)>Neither>Other
>>35035348We need an egglayer to send to Raligha.
>>35035348>Lay more shuttles4 more. Also give them cloaks. The cost is negligible and being able to carry out tasks while enemies are in the system is necessary.
>>35035348>Lay more shuttles>Lay new drones/ships at least one more shuttle to move stuff around the planet. Lay more warriors, workers and the new quantum thinkers to replace lost ones at the temple and the extra to be sent to the Temple to work on it to be a new base. 25 workers and maybe 2 thinkers.
>>35035348>Lay more shuttles8 of them. They, and all existing shuttles, should have cloaks on them.That one shuttle that had the Hel's Angel's cloaking field attached should give it back to the Angel so it can use it in case someone tries to radar and sonar the ground again.>Lay new drones/ships (write in)Four more spy pods, to spy on the systems we haven't visited yet.Blinking in at a great distance, like a lightday or two, to decrease chance of being noticed, at the cost of taking a day to actually arrive.
>>35035348>Lay more shuttles18; to fill up the empty hangers (use them to map the planet when free)>Lay new drones/ships (A fake Queen or two and 30 gilled workers to explore the ocean)
>>35035348Current consensus seems to be>Add cloaks to all shuttlesAnd split between>Lay 8 shuttles>Lay 4 shuttles>Lay 18 shuttles>Other
>>35035348I'd say 2 more shuttles should do it. We don't need all that many, especially with idling corvettes.
>>35035021>send our drones to go enjoy the feast they preparedWe don't want to be rude.
>>35035630>Lay 8 shuttles
>>35035630We need an egg sac.
>>35035348>>35035630>Lay 8 shuttles>Lay an egglayer and some drones; take them to the tribalalien planet so we can have a base there, to interact with themI say we call the little buggers either:Tasmanian Devils, orDervishes.Thoughts?
>>35035630>Lay 4 shuttles
>>35035630>>Lay 4 shuttles
>>35035606Adding to my post;4 stealth pods with add acid glands able to destroy the Advanced relays if needed.As well as one more fake queen.
>>35035630>Lay 8 shuttles>Lay two egglayer (does this come with 20 stunted workers like the queens did?)
>>35035630>>Lay 8 shuttles>>35035752Yeah. 4 stealth pods like that. deniable.Though you really need an explosion to destroy the rest of it. Since it's got a lot of metal in it.
>>35035630You running multiple threads tonight?
>>35035630>8 stealth shuttlesThe arms of your docking pylon goes to work assembling the small collections of chitin and thrusters.600N 760MAdditional supported options>Lay 4 stealth pods>None>Other
>>35035348>lay a new corvette unarmed for now
Guys i have an idea. the Union has no idea we have spacecraft right? so why dont we start to make our ships appear to be like giant space whales.
>>35035846I'd be up for adding a self destruct to are pods makes itbless worrisome to send them into enemy territory knowing that they can't be captured.
>>35035889>Lay 4 stealth podsI hope we have enough hanger space for all of this.
>>350358894 stealth pods with self-destructTwo fake queens5 mini sniffers with moth like fur.
>>35035889>OtherA egg-laying thing.
>>35035889>>Lay 4 stealth podsAlso>600NWait what.Shouldn't it be 520N?Each one is 65N laying cost. 50 + 5*3. (5N per 10 meters of ship for cloaking field).
>>35035889>Lay 4 stealth pods>Egg Sac
>>35035889>Design a fake queen (write in)>Lay 4 stealth pods (260N 260M)>Other>>35036053Shuttles are 30 meters, while pods are 10.
>>35036203>Design a fake queenA dolled-up Egg-Layer with moving parts, put it in out old chambers.
>>35036253>, put it in out old chambers.Nope we're putting it on Raligha.
>>35035933no, sudden giant whales will make someone curious, less curious less chance of them finding out what our true intentions and abilitys are
>>35036203Yes, that's... why I said "50 + 5*3"? aka 50 + 15. 5N for each 10 meters.>>35036284Wait until you actually know what the drummers' expectations are of what's in the temple before you start trying to make assumptions.A fake queen where the Union will actually look is of tactical value. One on Raligha isn't.
>>35036253>>35036284Gentlemen we can lay two.
>>35036203Just give an egg sac already.
>>35036330I agree with this. No point plopping down a decoy on a planet we're not expected. It's possible the natives could appreciate it, but let's not be hasty.
>>35036330>>A fake queen where the Union will actually look is of tactical value. One on Raligha isn't.An egg sac on Raligha is more valuable. Especially with how expensive they are.
>>35036203Fake QueenOlfactory: Basic 0Acoustic: Advanced 2Psionic: Advanced: (200N 250M)Radio: basic 1Mandible: ?Blade: combat 1Arms: Dex 1Legs: Endurance 1Wings: Moderate 2Utility:Acid glands 1NEgg Sac: 100NCarapace: Majestic ? Size: MediumCost: ?Upkeep: ?
>>35036387Combat Mandibles.Carapace and wings should be Regal/Majestic. More function than form.We want to pretend that these dolled up things are the real queen(s).
>>35036370>>35036330You guys want to waste a shit ton of res on making a decoy. Which has no tactical value.
>>35036337why are you so intent on making a second eggsac? What do we stand to gain besides more eggs at once by making one and is it currently worth the cost to upkeep and make such a thing on a world we have not fully entrenched on or even at all? I do agree we should put some kind of base on Raligha but making a possible obvious link to us would be rather dangerous no?
>>35036387>Psionic: Advanced: (200N 250M)No.There is no reason to have an actual psionic relay embedded in any drone, ever, when it can just be nearby.We'll already have a psionic relay on whatever planet we plop it on.
>>35036430Not if we put some kind of kamikaze self-destruct on her!
>>35036424>more form than functionFTFMGoddamn my ability to into English is going down the shitter.
>>35036452We gain by being able to expand on Raligha. That, and it's far easier for us to have an eggsac shitting out eggs than to have to risk discovery by flying in drones anytime we need to expand our operations there.
>>35036460 can we attached acid glands to it so we can prevent it from ever being captured.
>>35036452>obvious link to us would be rather dangerous noThe entire planet is a fucking link to us.>>35036461Using it as a decoy is pointless and expensive no matter what you say.
>>35036203>current proposed fake queen designOlfactory: Basic 0Acoustic: Advanced 2Psionic: basic 0Radio: basic 1Mandible: combat 1Blade: combat 1Arms: Dex 1Legs: Endurance 1Wings: Moderate 2Utility:Acid glands 1NEgg Sac: 100NCarapace: Majestic (peacock) 0 Size: MediumCost: 110NUpkeep: 55N>>35036330Ah, yes you're right. Had a typo there, thanks.
>>35036536I, personally, think a decoy is worthwhile. Making a /functional/ decoy is pointless. Having an empty sack of chitin sitting on our throne on Leeland costs a handful of nutrients and can possibly be useful if another scenario like Smith pops up. It's harmless paranoia.Making a fully-capable egg-laying 'decoy' is dumb.
>>35036517Decentralization of operations is a valid tactical and intelligence motivation for laying an eggsack even for capital world use. It's honestly not that expensive.
>>35036536It's of marginal value, yeah.The labyrinth reconfiguration is also costing us in construction time.But they're both for the sake of paranoid preparation for the next John Smith. They're too interested, now.They'll want to force us to communicate by threatening the queen, probably. I assume that was what John Smith was going to do. Hold queen hostage and demand real answers.The decoy allows them to believe they've succeeded in that when they haven't. But admittedly this is all speculation for a future scenario.
>>35036588>Mandible: combat 1I'd rather this match the queen's canonical, delicate royal mandibles suitable only for eating and not labor or fighting, which Lee saw.We don't want any mismatch with his description.
>>35036588Add:The advance relay back to it.
>>35036686No.That literally triples the cost pointlessly when there are psionic relays nearby.
>>35036675Seconding this. It needs to match up perfectly.
>>35036591That's exactly what I was saying. It's a waste to spend so much on something that's suppose to be disposable.
>>35036591I'd normally agree with you.But being especially paranoid, we may be asked to lay eggs in front of them to confirm queen status.It's a completely ridiculous notion that they might do that in the hypothetical mexican standoff, that they'd harbor any doubts this is the real queen in the first place, but it's sort of a nagging idea.
>>35036588Could we make one that just looks like a queen? With a nonfunctional egg sac?
>>35036738At the same time, whatever. Egg sack isn't a totally waste in general (decentralizing activity would make infiltration more difficult for future John Smiths) and the 'decoy' bits are only 10N on top. I basically don't care as long as there's no Advanced Relays in it.
>>35036794You do realize we could design a Nydus network?
>>35036706How many relays do we currently have in the sector? I'd rather we have direct communication with the fake queens so that we can give them the self destruct order if thing are really bad. We could give it a quantum brain and have it capable of operating if cut of from us with the orders of self-destructing if capture is unavoidable.
>>35036794Gonna agree with this. We should keep our Advanced Relays off the thing.The REAL queen doesn't even have an advanced relay! She has a Moderate relay. Which is MORE than enough for our purposes.
>>35036837We can just hide Advanced Relays underneath her chamber.Or get the fake queen to lay a thinker with orders to have the queen suicide if capture seems imminent.
>>35036588>Lay a fake queen with above specifications>Lay fake queen with minimum specifications (basic everything apart from the self destruct and egg sac, 108N cost)>NoneThe drone would look virtually identical to you in every way>>35036837You have an advanced relay in the space pod in orbit of Raligha, but it would be rather easy to simply send another one along with a fake queen if you wanted to make a more permanent settlement there.This is quite the contested vote...
>>35036901>Lay a fake queen with above specifications
>>35036901>Lay fake queen with minimum specifications (basic everything apart from the self destruct and egg sac, 108N cost)
>>35036837>I'd rather we have direct communicationYou do, you dense fuck.You have that with every single drone within range of the advanced relays. The relay in the pod in low orbit of Raligha can reach the drones down on the surface, even.Advanced relays have a range as large as moderate relays for reaching regular drones, because it'd be pretty stupid of them not to.
>>35036901>Lay a fake queen with above specificationsBut, save the second design for a later date.
>>35036901>>Lay a fake queen with above specificationsThe minimal would only save...2N in laying cost. The distinction is silly.
>>35036901>>Lay fake queen with minimum specifications
>>35036901>Lay a fake queen with above specificationsIt's a freaking 2N difference! I doooon't caaaaare.The votes contested because some posters are dedicated to suboptimal drone design/logistics. It's an ongoing debate.
>>35036901>This is quite the contested vote...Seriously. We've been talking about the fake queen for 30 minutes, and talking about laying drones in general for ONE AND A HALF HOURS.A necessary bit of micromanagement, I guess, but goddamn.
>>35036901>Lay Fake Queen with minimum specifications.
>>35036980We're sticking the most valuable tech in a decoy.You should expect this.
>>35036940Go suck a dick. I don't want to rely on a Relay We can't, currently, self-destruct to keep out of enemy hands.
>>35037027You don't want our Real Doll to have real birthing action™?>>35037036It's being guarded by guys who can violently explode and melt stuff around them. This was a deliberate choice. There's been support in previous threads to include acid glands with all future advanced relays, but not enough to call a vote on it.
>>35037087>>You don't want our Real Doll to have real birthing action™?No. It's pointless since they can't actually watch us.
>>35037036>I don't want to rely on a Relay We can't, currently, self-destructSo then change that. That has nothing to do with the fact that combining things into one drone that work just as well separated is folly.Keep a damn warrior stationed next to the relay who can napalm the fuck out of everything if necessary.
>>35037027how hard is it to replicate this and how much of a disadvantageous/advantage does it net us if it falls into the hands of potential enemies?>>35037036is it not possible to alter the current one?
Ha, okay, now that laying debates are done.Which systems will we spy on when pods are finished?Note that once we commit to a system with humans in it, we can't take the pod back without giving up a valuable stealth position, forcing us to take an additional risk of being spotted if we try to return.
>>35036901>Lay fake queen (110N cost - 55N upkeep)The new drone should be your complete twin in appearance, able to stand in as either you, or your daughter if the need to interact with another ever arise again, whether or not you wish to. In addition, it will permit you to expand your hive elsewhere without the need to shuttle drones and materials back and forth continuously.As you oversee your hives continued expansion you note some of your guests have becomes restless. You watch as several of the officers pace impatiently back and forth, and one of the lower ranking crew in the common area appears to be attempting to pick open the door. He has managed to dig a small hole in the wall membrane, although all he has found is chitinous struts and a net of scabbing capillaries that quickly undoes whatever progress he manages to make. Elizabeth appears to have become intrigued by the nature of the cell's interior, and the small boubous sensor clusters that coat the ceiling.>Speak with Doctor Vaughn>Speak with the officers>Speak with the enlisted crew>None>Other
>>35037192I'd rather wait until we finish obtaining our own regen tanks technology before interacting with prisoners.So>NonePut it off till tomorrow.
So I'm kind of new to this quest.What are we planning on doing with all these prisoners? I get that Elizabeth is of some kind of plot importance, but we can't really return the prisoners back to the Union.Why are we keeping them around?
>>35037192>Speak with Doctor Vaughn>Speak with the officers>Speak with the enlisted crew
>>35037192>Speak with Doctor Vaughn>Speak with the officers>Speak with the enlisted crewone after another, in this order.
>>35037192>Speak with Doctor VaughnMight as well tell her why we captured them.
>>35037221>>Why are we keeping them around?Tech reasons.
>>35037192>Speak with Doctor Vaughn>Speak with Officers>Speak with enlistedLets goooo!
>>35037221To do whatever the hell we feel like to, in the cause of Science.>>35037192Okay, I guess if everyone is going to insist on doing something...>>Speak with Doctor VaughnHere's an idea.Take note of the symbols of the starmap on Raligha.Not their actual appearance as a physical carving, but the abstract shape of the symbols.And ask Vaughn if she can look at these symbols and see what her brain transmits when she sees them.Put some Thinkers on the new starmap research subject and accelerate it with Vaughn checking.
>>35037228>>35037229>>35037270What the hell would you have to talk about with the non-Vaughn humans?Oh. wait.>>35037192>>Speak with the officersOne of the tech sergeants. Please, step into our shuttle.We have an atomic bomb we need you to disarm....I guess we still have to visit the satellite and get the nukes back, but still.
>>35037183We could attempt to jump a pod further away from the systems with humans and then move into it. I'd like to dedicate some pods to sectors without human populations so we can potentially set up bases before humans arrive.
>>35037277It might be less upsetting to her developing telepathy if the symbols were conveyed via Speaker color-shifting carapace, rather than beamed into her head.
>>35037277Seconding this. We also need to know more about what the fuck got into her head.
>>35037221Original vague plant was human experimentation. Lately, I'm inclined to put them under Vaughn's authority. Hinges on her being cooperative.>Speak with Doctor VaughnWanna talk shop with her.
>>35037307Ehhhhh... not trusting humans to not do dumb shit like nuke themselves out of spite. It's what I'd do.
>>35037192>Talk to Doctor Vaughn firstShe is reaching up to the ceiling in an effort to poke at the sensor clusters, the only things in the cell she has yet to investigate for a good hour.>Send a speaker to speak with her (write in)>Speak directly with her mentally (write in)>Other>>35037221Well, having live test subjects can help increase the effectiveness of some bioweapons and fine tune their effects. Which you could do, since none of your currently developed bioweapons have been tested in any way other than through basic blood tests and theory.
>>35037408Once we get Regen Tanks, everyone but Vaughn is getting a Biological Interface parasite drone stuck inside them surgically.And then it's pheromone experimentation time.
>>35037408hmmmmm but what are the diplomatic implications of testing bioweapons on these poor folk here?
>>35037408>>Send a speaker to speak with her (write in)"We wish to test how your memories are developing. Would you be willing to look at these symbols?"On its carapace, of course.>>35037443The implications are nobody gets to know they happen.
>>35037307>We have an atomic bomb we need you to disarm.Didn't we have Theseus for that?
>>35037458Theseus doesn't help disarm them.He just refuses to launch them from the satellite.Disarm is probably the wrong word. Disable. disassemble. Decommission.Make researchable without blowing up.
>>35037408I'm cool with answering basic questions of Vaughn's on her cell. Talk shop. have some girl time.Also, I'll be more up for experimentation once we've got the healing tank research done. No point /wasting/ test subjects if we can help it.>>35037429They can be attached externally you know.>>35037458Theseus'll charge for actual tech dissemination.
>>35037443If they die we can just clone them and potentially give them the memories of the original just altered to are purposes.
>>35037452"The implications are nobody gets to know they happen" eh good enough
>>35037473Yes, but if they're inside them on a permanent basis, then we don't have to tie them down to stop them from ripping the parasite off.
>>35037473Bah. Vaughn doesn't need to know too much about the hive.The memories of the ancient crystal hive megacivilization we're going to dig up with her should be more than interesting enough to occupy her mind.
>>35037307We can talk to them to see if they will let slip anything useful, if not, entertainment value.>>35037408>Send a speaker to speak with her Talk to her about the symbols.
>>35037493If they try to rip them off, hit them with the paralytic agent to stop them. With that drone conveniently attached to them that can do that.>>35037533She seems to be interested in fairly inconsequential details. There's no real harm in fostering good will with her. It's also possible that furnishing her with a broader context will allow the memories inside of her to be more easily coaxed to the surface.
>>35037408Send a speaker to speak with her (write in)She seems curious about the walls. Ask what does she think about them?I'm actually interested in seeing if she might would freely work with us.
>>35037581They also won't know they have parasites in them at all, if they just go into the biosac, get knocked out, then wakeup after surgery.
Why is everyone so fixated on showing her the symbols? Wouldn't it reveal that we didn't know anything about what she must assume is are culture? I'd rather focus on mental exercises.
>>35037606No. It's a test.Like an eyechart.Also it'll provoke interesting memories if she sees the names of star systems.
>>35037591This. We should pick her brain and figure out her position on the hive. And maybe symbols.
>>35037601I think tiny bugs on their necks that can dose them with shit are actually LESS informative than creepy sacs we shove them into that they pass out in and wake up later suddenly spontaneously having various effects occur without seemingly any cause.
>>35037650Well okay, we can also knock them out ahead of time before they leave their cells and see the sacs.
>>35037637>>35037591This! This so much!
>>35037591Look, this isn't something you say first thing.No.You build up stockholm syndrome more gradually.Cooperate on little things like research first. Jeez don't rush into it.
For some reason I really want to rename some of the drones. For example are warriors I really want to call them knight and are workers I want to refer to them as serfs. Not important just something I want to see if anyone else would want to do
>>35037408>Speak with her mentally
>>35037591>Ask what does she think about them?Not this again.This is practically "does this dress make me look fat?" tier of trap questions.It's really awkward to ask. I mean, imagine your friend asking you that. Or your jailer, for that matter.
>>35037787I dunno. She's a huge nerd. Getting her to sperg out might be the best way of getting to know her and putting ourselves in a positive light.Interestingly, she doesn't seem THAT torn up about the whole killing members of her expedition thing. Understanding why would be neat.
>>35037787It's all about how you phrase it."I see you've taken an interest in your cell. I take it you like my craftsmanship?"
>>35037762Yeah we shouldn't say "that" exactly but something to that effect/heading in that direction.I blame my lack of sleep for not coming up with something concrete.
>>35037408As your speaker moves to the door it flexes open. You could swear the doctor seems to notice just a moment before the door opens, and as the speaker enters she moves back slightly to give the drone space."You are curious of the hive?"She clears her throat before answering. "Yes... yes of course, who wouldn't be? I'm still not sure what's happening here. To me, I mean.""What are your current theories?"You mean about you?""Yes."She pauses for a moment to collect her thoughts, glancing around the cell periodically. "Bio-mechanical infrastructure, although I'm not sure how much. Similar appearance to insectoid life, but too big for just an exoskeleton. You have remarkably similar vocal organs as a human, which could be either coincidence or a form of... extremely rapid and highly adaptive genetic engineering or some form of natural adaptive evolution. I would love to witness some of your culture, or perhaps-""Would you be willing to attempt a translation?"She seems surprised at the request. "Erm, well, the circumstances are rather strange, but I don't suppose I have anything better to do. Very well."Your speaker forms the symbols along its carapace between its antennae. Her eyes grow wide."My god! An adaptive camouflage, and such an extraordinary level of sophistication! Is that a result of technological advancement or is it a natural ability?""That is not the issue. The symbols.""Yes. Yes of course." She calms herself and walks closer to your speaker to get a better view. "It's... not any language I've seen before. They seem to be very intricate, mathematical even." She leans in closer and reaches out to your speaker. "Hold still for a moment, I-"You feel a bolt of shock run through her mind as a series of memories washes over her consciousness, this one even stronger than before.You only catch of momentary glimpse, planets engulfed in fire, entire star systems reduced to clouds of vapor. She reels back out of reflex."Hurensohn!"
>>35037869well I just picked this up 3 threads back, from what I understand these people are not here by choice nor do they want to be here. That being said I think we should interact with them cautiously first, talking using a different drone then the rest of the hive, and taking things slow with them. If they get too restless then I could see the need to go with the parasite thing people seem to want but until it is "necessary" I dont think we should.
>>35037408>Send a speaker to speak with her (write in)Question her about the symbols and memories.she knew about the hive mind right?
>>35037920>"Hurensohn!"Well that's one star's name I guess.Also, disturbing. Not sure how that image relates to entire star systems' destruction, though. It looks more... organic.> even stronger than before.Hope the human brain is fully compatible with this tech and she just needs time to mature.
>>35037920>planets engulfed in fire, entire star systems reduced to clouds of vaporWhatever happened to them must've been rough. Though honestly I don't think we're closely related, seeing as we came from a different direction altogether. We'll have to see though.>>35037930Not that anon, but personally I wanted to give them some comforts, like fresh air. But I'm still sorta sore about the whole imperialism policy thing so they can stew all they want in the meantime.
>>35037920What is she translating?Also we should bug her to tell us what she saw.
>>35037998I'm also somewhat in favor of more comfortable digs for the humies. Possibly with monitoring parasites.
>>35037930The parasite thing is not a response to anything.It's a means for scientific experiments. Their happiness is irrelevant to the hive's interests.
>>35037920She falls back to the floor, her eyes closed shut and her hands pressing against her head."What did you see?"It takes a long moment for her to recover. She slowly rises back to her feet, her fingers pressed against her temples. "I'm not sure. Some kind of war... I think. Or maybe some cataclysm. I'm not even sure. Maybe we should keep at arms length for now."Can you translate the symbols?She rubs her eyes as she responds. "I'm sorry, I've never seen it... Hold on." She leans in closer again, this time careful to avoid contact as she points out the symbols. "This one. It means 'Enemy' in the center here, and that one... I think it means 'home', or something to that effect, maybe 'family'? They seem synonymous.... I have no idea how I know that. This is too strange.">Ask question (write in)>Speak (write in)>Other>>35037988Actually, it's just a curse word.
>>35038012Above write-in posts said to show the symbols on the ancient starmap.
>>35038049I'm thinking whoreson
>>35038049>Speak"Please translate the passage if possible."
>>35038049Well that settles it. Definitely a war. Marking who controls which territory.>write in"You suspect physical proximity triggers your flashbacks?""If you wish, this one may remain here, and you may study other symbols.">initiate starmap research subject
>>35038019Eh fair enough, I wonder if we can make clones of em using the originals, kinda like the thorian creeper in ME, I figured willing subjects would be easyer to keep cloning. Could also use spores and alter the hallucinogen spores to be more subtle and have a conditioning effect. Either way I think we should hold off on invasive test untill we can heal them and catalog their biometrics data as we hurtheal them.
>>35038049>Speak (write in)"As much as your condition frustrates me, I sympathize. Trust me when I say I seek the same answers you do."
>>35038019But, I really want to see if we can build the display walls in to the cells and play them movies based off how we envisioned the books. With Lee being the hero E.v.e.r.y.t.i.m.e.
>>35038099A war between the beings who are now Them, and the extinct crystal hives?Or did the crystal queens become Them? A fall from grace?
>>35038115pffhehehehehehehe thats just a silly waste of resources, or possible side story insperation.
>>35038138Its hard to piece together the facts we have without a timeline. We have no idea if the this particular Hive came before or after the fall of the Skyl.>>35038115That sounds like an overly elaborate way to troll people.
>>35038158Or a way to keep our human prisoners from going mad with boredom.
>>35038049"Do you suspect proximity causes them?""I'm not sure. I still don't fully remember how I got here, or what happened , or where I am, or why I can mind meld with an insectoid alien humanity has never even had contact with before now, and it's all a little frustrating!""The hive... understands your frustration. Can you complete the translation?"Elizabeth folds her arms and glares at your drone. At You. "What is the translation for? I'll need proper context. I'm a xenologist, not an network translator program.">Explain the starchart (write in)>Refuse>Other
>>35038224"A starmap."Simple enough.> folds her arms and glares at your drone. At You.She's picking up so many things subconsciously, now.
>>35038158I don't know why, but I just imagined the entire war the human's had being played out and every person, including the women and children, was played by Lee.
>>35038224>>Explain the starchartUmm, I don't think we even have that. Compare the charts with the constellations and stars our Original Thinker remembers
>>35038224"The Hive discovered a star chart within the vessel. The vessel is clearly of another Hive's manufacture. We wish to know what they knew. Before it's too late."
>>35038224>Explain the starchart (write in)"Context risks further events, does it not? The translation is for a map of... family."
>>35038262That is way too much detail."A starmap from the age of war," at most.
>>35038262I support this just change vessel to ruins.
>>35038298>a map of... family."What do you mean by this, a family tree?It's pretty clearly a map of a war, with territory marked.
>>35038224"It is from a map.""A map? And what kind of map, exactly?""That is what needs to be translated. It was found in the ruins."She seems at least somewhat satisfied with the answer. "I could use a photo of the chart. That should definitely help." The symbols on your speaker's carapace shift to a new sequence as she leans in to look. "Ok. I still don't know how I keep getting this information thought, so I can't claim it's anything more than a feeling. This one seems to indicate an origin, and this one a destination. This one is weird. 'Safety'? 'Egg'... It's not a direct translation but, 'arc', maybe? This one is 'children', none of these make any sense without the map itself. Are these supposed to be locations or notes? I need the map to help any further with what it means.">Offer to take her to the ruins>Offer to project an image of the map to her>Attempt to copy the chart with your drone>Other
>35038397Too bad we haven't figured out holographic tech yet!
>>35038397>Offer to project an image of the map to her
>>35038397project an image of the map i say, but then again I was not here for when the ruins where found so I dont know what origins they are, I dont know if humans might trigger something we didnt. Unless I missed it.
>>35038397>>Offer to project an image of the map to herVery well. Prepare your brainus.It's not really privileged information....Though considering the star configurations were unfamiliar, and the reference to star systems being destroyed...I'm wondering what it meant by "destroyed". If it included the star itself, and not just its planets.And the reason we don't recognize the configuration, is that there used to be a lot more stars in this sector.
>>35038416That book the thinkers read really should have unlocked holographic tech on the tech pastebin.Odd that it isn't added....Same with the bioweapons finished research at the start of this thread. >>35028083
>>35038424The humans did trigger a thing. Some glowy sphere thingy was mysterious and glowy and now appears to be inside the Xnologist lady's noggin. It's near-certain the ruins are of our species' designed and highly likely it is in fact a ship.
>>35038424>I was not here for when the ruins where foundBut you read the archives of it, right.Anyway we don't even know what the starmap says yet, so we don't know if anything in it should be kept secret.
>>35038466yet it interacted with a human, so mabey they had some connection to the old bugs? I am assuming that we took or found these humans there? if not then making a clone of them and sending it there would be interesting to watch, might spark something new or do nothing.
http://pastebin.com/z4yZdEbKYou know what I found weird.All the projectile weapons have three tiers: warrior size, Large drone size, and ship size...Except for Cyclotron and LPB. That skips the Large drone upgrade size entirely. Only comes in warrior size, Cyclotron, and ship size, LPB.
>>35038473She'll probably learn our species used to be wide-spread and starfaring. Nothing she couldn't guess at with out use of spaceships.What I want to know is what the starmap says about The Enemy.
>>35038493>I am assuming that we took or found these humans there?Why don't you just actually read the quest instead of making ignorant input in a game where you don't seem to understand what's going on?https://archive.moe/tg/search/username/QuestDrone/type/op/order/asc/
>>35038509I was waiting for some one to add that, thank you for your the link. Though you did sound condescending about it.
>>35038495Something I'm curious about is why a research topic about capturing and dissecting the worms hasn't opened up.
>>35038559This is 4chan anon, it could've been worse.
>>35038559It's present in the OP, anon.It's right there.It's labeled>ArchivesCome ON.
>>35038565They were even listed in the survey as something of interest, yet they never got brought back up.
>>35038495Preeeetty sure the Cyclotron just scales as the Cyclotron at all sizes. The LPB is only available at ship scale because of its nature. It's important to note that they are NOT the same weapon at different scales. The Cyclotron is a different design founded on the same basic principles as the LPB, but configured quite distinctly.Basically, I assume there's Large-sized Cyclotrons and they just haven't been specifically noted.>>35038565Heeeeey yeah.
>>35038602see statement >>35038569 that and the times in the past I try to get into this it is usualy late for me so I dont get to input often.
>>35038397"If you wish, it could be projected to you.""You mean in my mind?""Yes."She thinks for a moment before sitting back down on the floor. "I might as well get used to it. Sure, let's do it."One of your drones on Raligha stands over the podium. You quickly rout the image from the drone and direct it to the doctor's mind. Her face tenses and she shuts her eyes as the image washes over her, but the discomfort seems to pass in a moment."This is... amazing! It's as if I'm in two places at once... is this how you-""The chart.""Sorry. Of course."As she focuses on the image you feel a sensation of memories slowly seeping into clarity, becoming focused."It's... not a map at all, really. It's more like a chronicle."You see a hive queen. Thousands of them, all together, speaking through their strange effigies, tall, slender drones used as emissaries. They are arranged around a strange device of moving crystal. You feel them think to the device, projecting their will all at once, and the crystal turns inwards on itself and expands into unnatural shapes. The crystal twists and controls, twitching into knots of spacetime.The memory flashes again, and you see another crystal, this time a twisted black monolith, branching out like an ancient tree's gnarled branches. It's... consuming a planet, spreading along the surface like a cancer."Oh my god!" The doctor opens her eyes again, shaking the visions from her head. She looks up at your drone again. "Did you... did you see it too? What was that?"
>>35038790>You see a hive queen. Thousands of them, all together, speaking through their strange effigies, tall, slender drones used as emissaries. They are arranged around a strange device of moving crystal. You feel them think to the device, projecting their will all at once, and the crystal turns inwards on itself and expands into unnatural shapes. The crystal twists and controls, twitching into knots of spacetime.>The memory flashes again, and you see another crystal, this time a twisted black monolith, branching out like an ancient tree's gnarled branches. It's... consuming a planet, spreading along the surface like a cancer.You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!Well, there's no longer any doubt as to the nature of the crystals
>>35038790"We are trying to learn exactly that."
>>35038790"What did you see?" You wonder if you missed some of the information."It's a chronicle of a mass exodus. Something... alien, attacking everything, and you!" She points to your drone. "These are your memories, but they weren't meant for you.""What do you mean?""I mean... It's a legacy. I'm not sure how I know any of this, but I think that that arc was intended for... anyone but you, but it was made by your own species. It doesn't make sense. I just get the feeling that it's like a time capsule, or a message in a bottle.""A what?"You receive a small burst of knowledge. A concept. A small glass bottle drifting for years in a stormy ocean, sealed with a letter inside. You're not sure if she intended to respond directly like that..."I'm sorry... This is all very, very tiring. Maybe we can try again in the morning?"
>>35038867"Very well."It seems it was left by a rebel queen who didn't like the direction their species was going.So they left a message for non networked life to fight them.
>>35038867sure we can call it a day. Maybe give her something as thanks?> "These are your memories, but they weren't meant for you.">"I mean... It's a legacy. I'm not sure how I know any of this, but I think that that arc was intended for... anyone but you, but it was made by your own species. It doesn't make sense.And the rabbit hole gets deeper.
>>35038867Interesting, it would seem our ancestors sought to protect us from the truth. Perhaps they believed we would be safer from the dark ones if we were unaware of their existence?Either that or it was the dark ones themselves who left that message in the sphere...
>>35038898>our ancestorsShe's making a mistake.She's assuming the crystal hives are genetically related to the organic hive queens. They're probably not.But she doesn't realize that yet. Because we misled her to believe it was 'our' temple.
>>35038911I'm sorry, but when did we find evidence for a distinction between crystal and organic hives? By crystal I assume you mean under the thrall of whatever the fuck the Ceph worship.
>>35038867Alright theorycrafting time.Vaughn's statements of the message not being for us may mean that whoever these crystal hives were, they weren't our ancestors.>You see a hive queen. Thousands of them, all together, speaking through their strange effigies, tall, slender drones used as emissaries. They are arranged around a strange device of moving crystal.I don't really know what they were doing here. Were they communicating with Them or were they trying to subjugate it?Either way, the crystal hives ended up dead and the destruction seems to match the visions that we saw when we were tapping into the Crystals we found on the Hel's Angle.
>>35038867Elizabeth gets up from her spot on the floor and walks over to the wall. She presses against her eyelids as she slides down the wall."It's been a rough few days.""Very well." Your drone says, and it backs out of the cell. Every answer seems to beg another question. You rarely dwell on a subject for too long with your mind spread across such vast distances, but this troubles you. Between whatever this is and the Union expansion you're not sure what to expect. You look back into the cell. She is already fast asleep against the soft membrane wall.You add the symbol translations to your thinkers' workload. You hope to get something less arcane eventually, but between the visions of the human and the religious dogma of the ceph you're not sure how to actually make sense of it.A patrolling worker is moving past the chamber and you look in for a moment. It's still there. The small, black crystal array of the Ceph Slip Drive. The shape always seems to be different, even though you know it never moves. They emit no sound, but whenever you look at them you feel as if you can hear a faint whisper.You seal the door and leave them in the dark once more.
>>35038957>that whoever these crystal hives were, they weren't our ancestors.That's the most obvious thing in the world.They have completely different biology. Completely different methods. They have weird crystal technology that we simply do not have. And the queen was born with all the technological advancements of her species in her brain.>>35038949You assume spectacularly stupidly then.The difference is they're obviously not the same species at all, and don't even seem close. They could even be silicon based from all we've seen at this point.
>>35038971Dun dun dun.Man, I was thinking of having the crystals under watchful eyes at all times to make sure they don't change again...But maybe it's best not to look at them at all, after all. Never mind me.
So, a research subject that's a bit missing:The 'scrambler' that the humans on Raligha used, when they thought it would be Unity they'd be firing a missile at.I wonder if it'd be as effective against Union technology too.
>>35039004I don't think they can do anything without someone touching them psionically, but personally I'd want them locked up tight on a remote station somewhere out in space.>>35038975Anon pls, I was half-asleep when the crystal hives were first described so forgive me if I only just now noticed the difference.
Oh yeah, fun thing I had to share.Back in hqq22.>>34542209>Smith, as well as three of the drop troopers remain behind.>>34543191>Back at the command vehicle you spot two of the drop troopers flanking the shelter and the marines quickly begin digging what the sergeant calls a fire pit.If any anon had been paying very close attention, they could have noted Smith and one other guy's absence before Lee did.Love the little opportunities left in this quest. This, eavesdropping on the command tent back then, attacking at Raligha while they can't FTLComm, sniffing for the strange scent of tobacco to find Lyle... Sometimes you catch it, sometimes you don't.
>>35038971Yes, yesss, WORLDBUILDING.Now to explore new star systems to get more of that fix.
>>35038971Your workers finish your farm expansion and begin more in depth alterations to your hive tunnels, altering every curve and twist to be unrecognizable.You keep thinking on how to find another source of answers. Your thinker still recalls the first few moments of its own existence, just prior to your own. A short record of stars and a brief number of jumps. Wherever your pod was launched from it shouldn't be too far away, but then again, maybe that isn't such a good thing.You take account of your forces. Your ships lurking in the asteroid field of your system. You doubt it would be enough to stop any fully equipped attack, but of course the element of surprise can count for a lot.>Construction finished120 farms>Current constructionlabyrinth alterations>Add new construction>Construct new ships>Other
>>35039142>>Add new construction200 new farms.Bring worker count up to 2000 to keep things brisk.>shipsAnother 6 pods.We have an ever increasing need for a large spy network.
>>35039142>Construct new shipsMore stealth pods to explore other systems.6 or soAlso, I suggest we scout for a location of an off-world shipyard, preferebly in a location where the Union has yet to reach.
>>35039164>>35039169For clarification, is this on top of the 4 already being built?
>>35039142>altering every curve and twist to be unrecognizable.I hope this includes creating traps and hidden Rotary Stinger turrets that can fill corridors with slugs.And traps that can flood a chamber with acid.And traps that can flood a chamber with plasma spray.And traps based on that blue lake organism maybe? Might require research.
>>35039179I meant on top of that, yeah.So 10 total.
>>35028047>Speaker – (1) – 4I think the number of these was increased to 3, right? >>34542651This >>35039164 sounds good, but add some corvettes, with no relay inside them.4 Stealth Corvettes, like the scout corvette only without a relay. Since they can be controlled by the corvette that does have a relay, or a nearby pod.
>>35039204Just making sure.>>35039191Maybe not to that extent, but with your discovery of new bioweapons you can reliably assume that you can fill any location within your hive with any kind of gas or spore based bioweapon or pheromone, as well as full vision and the ability to seal off areas at will.You have a tremendous advantage within your hive.>>35039233You do have 3. I thought I did that too. I was in a rush to set things up I guess. Such a busy week it's been. Sorry.
>>35039233I take it the relay-less corvettes are for system defense?
>>35039233>4 cloaked corvettes gangbanging the union ships with combined plasma lance attack ambush
>>35039142Lay 20 gilled workersLay 20 gilled warriorsLay 1 More fake queenConstruct:200 Farms1 Deep Space shipyardBuild:6 stealth pods with self-destructs.4 stealth corvettes
>>35039266And then the Dice God's laugh at us as we roll a 1
>>35039164>>35039169Yeah pods are good.Because QD said, earlier, that it's easier to aim your Blinks into a system when you already have a ship in the target system, allowing further ships to blink in hidden behind a gas giant or something.So once a pod is in a system, it's a foothold, as well as a source of the scarcest resource of all, information.
>>35039142>Stealth corvettes, no relay>200 farms>6 stealth podsItems with less support for confirmation>Orbital docking pylon (grants access to capital ship construction)>increase worker pop to 2000>20 gilled workers>20 gilled warriors>Other
>>35039313>>increase worker pop to 2000This.Not the other things.We'll send one of the pods to explore Unity space and maybe find a place to build a spaceport in one of those systems.Probably star 1-5.
>>35039313Add all of them.
>>35039313>increase worker pop to 2000>20 gilled workersI didn't mean an Orbital pylon in in-system, I meant looking for an abandoned system and then shuttling workers and supplies there to make a shipyard.
>>35039313>>Orbital docking pylon (grants access to capital ship construction)Supporting this. If we are to defend this world we need heavy hitters.
>>35039338You're putting the cart before the horse then.You do things one step at a time you don't blurt out your plan. The first step is exploring star systems.So suggest that, then do what comes next.
>>35039313Exactly HOW BIG is that huge fucker?Those two huge frontal nodes look like they could crack a planet.
>>35039313Supporting>Stealth corvettes, no relay>200 farms>6 stealth pods>Orbital docking pylon (grants access to capital ship construction)>increase worker pop to 2000>20 gilled workers>20 gilled warriors
>>35039313>>Orbital docking pylon (grants access to capital ship construction)This is the worst idea.We can't afford heavy firepower right now. Stealth is our priority at this phase of development.And cloaking the capital ships is basically impossible, they'd have to vent heat so often.
>>35039313Well if we're gonna make a highly visible orbital pylon the first things we make better be cruisers to actually defend them instead of relying on stealth like we used to.
>>35039313I would like to propose building a couple frigates as well. The stealth corvettes are great for ambushes but we need something that can take a hit as well as dish it out. Heres what I'm thinking of.Frigate (800N 1600M)Spinal mount (1): Linear Particle Beam 750 MFixed(8): Railgun 160 MTurrets(6): Plasma Lance 150 MAuxiliary(4): Cyclotron 40 MReflexive Armor (750 N)Swarm (600N 300M)Rapid Damage Control (22N 30M)Total Cost 2172N 3000M
>>35039354Good thing we shouldn't build anything highly visible, then.
>>35039338Why build at a system at all? why not put it in the middle of nowhere in deep space?
Alright, a compromise, have the orbital pylon be built near the asteroid base, so it woukldn't be TOO obvious at first glance?
>>35039313So, could we get some details on how visible these orbital shipyards will be? Could partially conceal them in the asteroid we're mining out? That was one of our reasons for starting that operation after all.
>>35039313>Increase worker pop to 2000>Build frigates (how many)Frigate (800N 1600M)Spinal mount (1): Linear Particle Beam 750 MFixed(8): Railgun 160 MTurrets(6): Plasma Lance 150 MAuxiliary(4): Cyclotron 40 MReflexive Armor (750 N)Swarm (600N 300M)Rapid Damage Control (22N 30M)>>35039341They are very expensive, and are the antithesis of stealth. The battleship has 5 spinal mounts, though.>>35039350The big one is a Hive ship, essentially the entire mountain hive, but in space and with engines. It can build other ships, mine resources, refine materials, and do pretty much anything a stationary colony can do. Its size, poor maneuverability and relatively weak armor makes it a big target though.Size 6200 MetersSpinal Mounts: 2Turrets: 12Fixed: 18Auxiliary: 20
>>35039313I don't care as long as no docking pylon is built... in this star system.Build it in some other system's asteroid field.>>35039375What? What positions is that compromise between?
>>35039334Shit. Wait change the orbital shipyard to a deep space ship yard out of the union expansion zone.
>>35039374In-system>most likely placed near a source of metals i.e. planets or asteroids and logistics can be serviced by conventional shuttlesDeep-space>have to ferry construction materials via FTL-capable ships, when they could be used for more useful things
>>35039385>Size 6200 MetersSo that's like the size of one of Unity server ships then.>>35039385Zero for now? Would rather rake in the nutrients income, that thing is like... 1000N upkeep a day ish?
>>35039385I was wondering. Can the hive ship even Blink?Just how long does it take to calculate its jump?
>>35039385Okay, I'm changing my vote for the orbital station if its that conspicuous. If building it out in deep space or another system, maybe, but it is too soon to blow our cover juussst yet.Also, could we cloak the frigates for an extra 75 N and 225 M? I'd build two if we can.
>>35039407Speaking of nutrients, maybe that nutrient powder we found in that barren system could allow us to make an alternative nutrient source that "could" allow big ships like that to be self-sufficient nutrient-wise. We need to research it to find out for sure though. Wait, did we even research that?
>>350393854 frigatesAdd: The gilled units and the space pods.
>>35039441The pods were already added in the previous post.>>35039431It may be worth researching, yeah.It was such a trace amount of nutrients out there in its natural habitat though, so I'm not too hopeful.
>>35039385>4 frigates>20 gilled workers>20 gilled warriors>>35039407Just about, and it fills a similar role as a mobile base. The Unity just rely on them a lot more heavily for their logistics.>>35039416Yes it can, and it does take a while.I think we should conclude for tonight. I'll try to stick around for a while for questions, comments and and anything else.
>>35039385None, let's get exploring uncharted space baby.>>35039471Nooo dammit too late?
>>35039441>4That is like 4000N upkeep a day. That's using up a third of the new farm capacity already.Please no. Let the nest egg build. We need the reserves.
>>35039471Will we ever get Dreadnaught / Titan Construction?As in, Viable fuckhueg space combat craft?If we do, do you already have an image of them?We would probably need to somehow improve the ever-loving fuck out of BestFTL to make them truly viable though
>>35039471So any concensus on this drone design >>35028468?
>>35039492>As in, Viable fuckhueg space combat craft?You mean capital ships.>>35039471>I think we should conclude for tonight.Aw what. I thought it would be double feature.
>>35039471Whatever happen to the worms research?
>>35039471So can we add cloaking fields to those frigates? It would really round out their operational capacity, even if used for brief moments when closing in/retreating from an enemy craft.
>>35039501Capital Ships are only HUGE and not HUEG.Get it right anon.
>>35039471Dammit, the frigate vote was tied.
>>35039479Yea, that's why I wanted to get as much of the ship and drone production out of the way before we ended for the night, so we could start next week with a fresh fleet ready to launch.>>35039492The battleship fills the "fuckhuge combat craft" role rather well, I think.Size: 2060 MetersSpinal Mounts: 5Turrets: 12Fixed: 18Auxiliary: 22>>35039514Yes, you can add a cloaking field to any space craft in theory, the cost just starts becoming silly for the bigger ships.
>>35039471Yeah, let's keep em at two. We straight up do not have enough nutrients to build 4 right now. Also, cloaks?
>>35039542Please cancel the frigates mate.They cost way the hell too much, there aren't even enough nutrients in the bank to cover their upfront costs.
>>35039471Bump the four to a two in regards to the frigates and add clocking.
>>35039542Unless I crunched the numbers wrong adding cloaking fields increases the cost by 75 N 225 M, to a total of 2247N 3225M. It seems reasonable enough to me.
>>35039528>>35039554>>35039581Sorry about that. Yea, you can add cloaks to them if you want. Technically you could cloak a Hive ship, the limit is only how much nutrients you're willing to spend on it.>2 frigates with cloaking.>>35039507I'll go back and double check it this week to make sure it's not missing or got deleted or something.
>>35039542>so we could start next week with a fresh fleet ready to launch.Well exploration involves a solitary scout corvette going into mysterious Unity numbered star systems, not fleets, really.The invasions come later.
>>35039542One must always ask the question whether or not we can make something Bigger.Honestly, I truly doubt we are going to even have that many Battleships for the forseeable future, too big, not resource viable enough.Would be fun to watch people shit themselves over a fleet of them though.What's the biggest Union ship in comparison?
>>35039605>What's the biggest Union ship in comparison?I imagine it's also called a Battleship and is of similar size.Considering they also call their smallest ships Corvettes, of a similar size to the hive's.
>>35039581Just a reminder, our current nutrient income is at 8505, that's more than triple the cost of one of these things. We took similar risks when we were starting up, and these will provide much more leverage in a space battle, an area we are currently sorely lacking in.
>>35039542Hey what ever happened to the worms from the survey? Are they still something we can look or have we done all we can?
>>35039626There is a vast difference between the start and current state of affairs.There isn't a jungle big enough to go out and find a big boost 8x your current natural income of farmable nutrients.The only way to build up more nutrients is to actually show some self control and wait several days before laying shit.
>>35039605The biggest Union ship you have seen would be the Texas, which is about 3 kilometers long.>>35039627I thought I had added something in for them, but I'll double check this week to make sure it wasn't messed up or lost from the list. I seem to be having bad luck with editing the pastebins today.
>>35039626Game-mechanically, it's impossible to lay them after laying the others.Literally.So we should really be laying zero frigates until later when more nutrients are in reserves.
>>35039640Aren't we currently expanding the algae farms? That's going to further increase our income.Think of it like this, it's a calculated investment. Yes we're spending most of our reserves but its for something we urgently need. Unless something goes horribly, horribly awry before the next thread, we will have rebuilt those reserves and added to them, and have two deadly new ships to show for it.
>>35039679You aren't listening properly.It's impossible to proceed without a buildup of nutrients. You tie your own hands, or mandibles, as it were, and become completely unable to lay more things until you wait, and wait, until you have nutrients reserve built up again.You completely lose the ability to respond to new threats and situation.>>35028047>Nutrients: 4913Also, we are already out of nutrients. We have to wait a few days to build up more again.We spent over 4000 Nutrients.... *before* someone decided they wanted to suggest a frigate design. Which was then completely unaffordable.It literally has to wait.
>>35039679Wait, what I meant is:You could obtain a quick boost of nutrients in a single day of foraging in the jungle in early threads. It was big compared to the upkeep of the hive and currently farmed fungus.We have no equivalent of that anymore, because absolutely no jungle is big enough to provide a boost big enough to matter.
>>35039357>Auxiliary(4): Cyclotron 40 MThat seems like a terrible idea.This thing needs point defense. Surely auxiliary should be Autocannon.
>>35039605>One must always ask the question whether or not we can make something Bigger.Sorry to ruin your 'fun', but one must always ask to what purpose you could possibly want that.
>>35039702But isn't the upkeep cost of 5455 N subtracted from the income of 8505? If so than the cost of 2 frigates is well within bounds, even if that comes exclusively out of saved nutrient reserves. By the next thread the approximately 3000 N that go into the reserve will nearly completely replenish it.
>>35039594>>2 frigates with cloaking.With what nutrients?They were all spent on pods and corvettes to the tune of like 4450N by my math.
>>35039733Cyclotrons are point defense weapons, that's why I recommended them. Quest said himself they are superior at the role compared to autoguns in nearly every way.
>>35039796No he didn't? Where? I recall him saying the literal exact opposite of that. Auto Cannons being better.
>>35039780Oh hell that's right, I forgot about those things. Guess we won't be getting those frigates started this thread then.
>>35039777What?The upfront laying costs, which is double daily upkeep, have to be taken out of the reserves at laying time.And the reserves are bone dry.
>>35039647QD, cancel the frigates down to zero? Lay zero of them? We can't afford them for a while.
>>35039807That's not how I remember that discussion, and the way it's described makes it sound as if it's designed to blow up incoming missiles from afar.>Rapid Pulse – This weapon directly interferes with electronic transmission, making it more difficult for the target to maintain a target lock, and decreasing the target’s accuracy temporarily.I mean, if I'm wrong on this I'd say go for autoguns but I'm fairly certain cyclotrons are suited for defensive action.
>>35039796Cyclotrons were never mentioned. The discussion was about Linear Particle Beams. You remembered wrong.>>34383912>Technically yes, but autocannons receive a bonus to targeting smaller craft or missiles, especially with explosive ammunition, while Particle beams suffer a large penalty if used in a such a small weapon mount.And autocannons still get a bonus that they don't.C-beams are along the worst point defense weapons, because they have a low rate of fire.The LPB can fire continuously, just as the autocannon can fire slugs continuously.
>>35039839Why not cancel the corvettes and build the frigates instead? The frigates are far better suited to ship to ship combat, the corvettes lack the integrity to do so.
>>35039109Yeah, John Smith debriefing.Actual mistakes made:- Not having the Flies watching the camp at all times as soon as it touched down.- Not tracking every human on the planet with them at all times. This should be new policy. Although it's a bit late, they won't be this 'friendly' again.- Not leaving all, or one of, the worker drones behind while Speaker goes with Lee on the hunting trip. Staying behind with Smith.Any of the above would have kept Smith within earshot and eyesight at the camp, and noted his leaving into the jungle.One can learn from this, and refine the art of paranoia.
>>35039884Because they actually fit with the current need for stealth and ambush attacks.We may encounter another Raligha situation at any time, and we can't afford to keep paying off Unity to do this shit for us.A combo attack of roasting the enemy to death before they can fight back is our best weapon.
>>35039796>>35039807>>35039852>>35039878Random anon here. Just went ahead and threw it on the ask.fm."How do Cyclotrons fair vs Autocannons in terms of point defense? Does each have their own advantage depending upon the target and are otherwise comparable in effectiveness. If so, can you please give a quick rundown of said situations."
>>35039938You don't need to ask for something that has already been asked, and is clearly based upon game stats you can review yourself:http://pastebin.com/YTwGk8n1It's perfectly clear. High RoF is the hallmark of point defense. A bonus to hitting smaller targets, since missiles are usually smaller than the ship, is also clearly in its favor.The evidence is right there. There's no evidence that Cyclotrons are suitable at all except a discussion that has been linked already and it was nothing like anon remembered.
>>35039938Cheers anon. That should help clear things up a bit.
>>35039852>That's not how I remember that discussionThen link it?Because it sounds like you're talking about >>35039878 otherwise.
>>35039974Anon, its pretty clear as a point defense weapon the cycoltrons suck, but as a general capacity defense weapon they might be more versatile.Their accuracy is much higher so they might be able to shoot missiles from further out than the autoguns. It's pretty clear from their listed special that they have some kind of capacity to do so.
QD is kill
So we just implanted the memories of Queen Serenity from the Silver Millennium into a human, who is now transforming into the Moon Princess.Basically.
>>35040006Yeah I conceed that autoguns are the better point defense system here, would've put them on the auxiliary points on the frigates had I remembered that little exchange better. I'd say we should swap the cyclotrons out right now but as argued here>>35040012 they might actually be useful for blowing up missiles while they're still far out. We don't know a whole lot about cyclotrons applicability in space warfare unfortunately. I was hoping QD could shed a bit of light on the matter before we started building the things.
>>35028047Okay now where do we send the pods next week?>M-199>M-323>A-295>1-5>0-3>0-1>0-2>New PortAnd hey, because it's within range...>Sagittarius>Aquila
Oh, and I guess next week we should finally start synthesizing human diet....So we can slip experimental drugs into their food too.