Continued from >>34441884 Google Doc info: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TAl_Rh3q0UR3cqX6Pbn-4TnB87BS-GrFrax-ErtOL2E/edit1d4chan Page: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_HeresyIf I am not mistaken, we are full on 1st Founding Legions, though successor chapter are welcome.We are currently fleshing out the homeworlds of the Alternate Univer legions, what they did during the Heresy and what happened after.Also, to those here: Since it seems to be agreed that the Primarch of the Scions of Europa (Kleisthenes) took the place of Sanguinus during the final battle and was then put in stasis like Guilleman, should the duty of writing the Codex Astartes fall to another legion, such as the Knights of Justice or Steel Marshals?
>>34442576Who are the NotWordBearers for the Traitor Side?And some of the Primarchs need names.Silver Spears: Maranthos Egille, Charismatic leader, likes flashy weaponsBulwark: NONAME, Cautious and cynical but otherwise averageBlack Augurs: Visios the Voidwatcher, Fast reflexes, quick to make decisions. Far-signted, divination psyker.Life Bringers: Johannes, extremely skilled apothecary, prefers to purge problems and build anewMastodontii: NONAME, Optimistic, weak psykerCouncil of Iron: NONAME, Short temper, physically strong, absolutely no fear.Argent Legion: Malphas, Irreverant.Iron Rangers: Rogerius Merrill, Obsessively seeks knowledge regarding techWolves of Dawn: Hektor, Horus analogue, Friendly, great leader.Sons of Fire: The Burned King , Ruthless, willing to make utilitarian sacrifices. Loves fire. A cold soul who only seems to take pleasure in purging worlds to the crust.Children of Armok: Urist Starikov, Charismatic, political and espionage genius.Everyone likes him, but kind of distrusts him because of his spymaster reputation. You can guarantee that if theres a secret , no matter how buried it is, Starikov knows it. Is obsessed with getting into the Black Library. [So he’s not!Ahriman?]
War Scribes seem to be the perfect authors for the Codex Astartes. Might not be influential or numerous enough to push it on their own, but everybody will probably look up to them as the most knowledgeable and analytic, so if anyone is writing a huge doctrine on how space marines could work best, it's their primarch.
>>34442576The Sons of Fire, ready to burn the Galaxy to the ground. Eternal foes of the Life Bringers and Mechanist Warriors.
>>34442618Children of Armok initiate the Heresy, Eternal Zealots are the faithful Chaos worshipers.
So yeah. i dont mind having psychers but id rather not be psychics that the thousand sons are.
>>34442670They ARE who I originally envisaged as the Codex writers, the Scions just kind of seemed more likely replacements for the Ultras.
>>34442670Yeah, I could do that. It does make a certain degree of sense, though the way I envisioned my Legion, they wouldn't be the go-to guys for tactical combat. If you want to build an empire, sure, but don't count on them to tell you how to slay a Helbrute properly, you know? Maybe I dug up some lore that was useful to a different Primarch for making the Codex?
>>34442698Eternal Zealots aren't in the lists sadly. Who made them, and what are their MO?
>>34442711The Codex authors and not!Ultras don't have to be the same legion. One writes the codex, another just happened to be the most numerous and has the most descendents.>>34442717Could be a collaborative effort, written by several primarchs. War Scribes have the data gathered and collate it, somebody like Crusaders or Thunder Kings propose most of the tactics.
>>34442576>>34442735 we should include all the legions apart from the Lizard feet which got cut. We were originally making a /tg/ heresy - lets not limit ourselves to 20 legion or we end up only having 20 people in the thread...
>>34442784Yeah but if we end up with like 100+ legions it's gonna get stupid.
>>34442735http://archive.moe/tg/thread/34414189/#q34426949http://archive.moe/tg/thread/34414189/#q34427205http://archive.moe/tg/thread/34414189/#q34427507>>34442784But I like Lizard Feet...
>>34442698I imagine I come running when news finally reaches my little corner of the galaxy, but end up doing relatively little until after the Battle of Terra.Damn shame if that's how it turns out, but I did run into some trouble on the way.
>>34442805make a seperate thing for active legions and inactive legions maybe? seperate the people that come into the thread make a legion half assed and dont do anything again with the people that stick around.
>>34442784I'm still here, even though my legion got cut... Maybe we can replace someone who doesn't show...
>>34442784We had 30ish, that was fine, we shouldnt cut any really - if the creators come back and their gone and we rewrote them out its more difficult to write back in - like the Eternal Zealots are meant to be the Word Bearers more directly - but they seem to have been cut - causing a plot hole in the Timeline.We won't get 100 legions cos we seem to have pissed off most people ny not including them too - lets not alienate those we do have...
>>34442784Sadly I'm not sticking around because it's after midnight and I have to be up at 6.Happy hunting to everyone.
>>34442865I think you got temporarily cut because you werent around? idk
>>34442865We should replace a few, and cut a couple of the more jokey ones out. 12 Legions aside seems fine, if the casualties sees them cut down heavily over the course of the heresy.
>>34442865See thats what I mean - everyone else voted to cut a legion when you were just away for sleep/work/life w.e. I'm going to be soon, I don't want to wake up and find myself cut from the whole thing... besides the 30ish legions we did have were so /tg/. We had a more down to earth but still balls to the wall crazy 40k universe.. lets not lower our standard to GW levels...
>>34442784I am in no way the leader of this project, so if people want to add or remove legions or their own, I've no problem with that. my apologies if I conveyed anything suggesting otherwise.
>>34442576Since I saw no-one else touching them, here is some fluff for the Primarch of the Eternal Zealots.Gilamenshe Maccabias, the God-King of Urak, the Herald of the Gods. His objective is to become the God-King once more, as he was on his Home World. In a primitive way, the ancient religions of his home world were reflections of the True Gods, the belief in which he never relinquished, even when he was claimed by the Emperor. His ultimate desire is to become a living divinity, the Chosen of the Gods among the mortal realm.
>>34442962Na its cool I started the last thread, but had life get in the way so I couldnt give it my full attention, so I gave up organising everything cohesively. But we should make this inclusive not exclusive.
I think the only reason we should cut them is if the creator hasn't said shit since he made the post about his legion.
>>34443016Yes that seems like a good idea. Besides, what's a few more legions? There are hundreds if not thousands of chapters in regular 40k and this makes more sense from a galaxy conquering standpoint.
We should create a list of the legions we have currently and try to get that to a even number. Then, after we've all decided on that list we should stick to it. This far into it when we're doing stuff about the timeline and what comes after we can't really have people adding legions to it or it'll get confusing.
>>34443016I'm inclined to agree but I'm only back thanks to reprieve. I had an update for them done and was working on a second when I was cut.
>>34443016Agreed. Cutting a legion out should only be done with really good reason. We have a lot of good legions, leaving them out would be a shame.
>>34443033>>34443016The problem with that is it seems only maybe half of the legions are still posting actively - so we'd not only lose half of the universe, but a lot of the roles that stopped us all being IronWarriors/ImperialFists siegey or AlphaLegion/Nightlords sneaky. Leave them in, but if new people show interest swap them in instead.That way its inclusive but we dont lose anything
>>34443056>>34443016Agreed to both.
What's going on with the Crusaders? I thought they were on Terra for the battle but so far nobody has really mentioned them.
>>34443059But you aren't cut. Mechanist Warriors are still in the 1d4chan article and googledoc.
>>34443087I had to put them in back in the former.
>>34443066That sounds like the best idea I've heard so far.
>>34443087They GOT cut because he didnt post in a few hours or so. Thats my point. At this point we wont get any new blood - so keep what we have and run with it ourselves.Cutting is pointless - this is /tg/ does the Horus Heresy - not some GW circlejerk with balancing and cumstained statlines.Leave them in and use them - if their creators return great. If not, we have fodder for story/plot.
>>34443097Do you have a better name for them? Mechanist Warriors sounds a bit bland.
>>34443085They aren't defensive. I'd make them take the place as the AU Ultras, in the sense that most chapters stem from their gene stock.
I wonder how many people out there have multiple legions posted.
>>34443154I did think that, but in my head I kept unconsciously shortening it to Mechwarriors anyway and getting nostalgic lol
>>34443154>>34443197Not really but it's not much more than placeholder right now. I'm open to ideas.
>>34443179Yeah if you look back at my posts at the early sections of the last thread - they were the Imperial Fists/Ultramarines. I went with Scions as Ultras, but Scions wanted to be at Terra - so make the Crusaders the Ultramarines in terms of role and power/strength.
>>34442780I'd be fine with that, seems to make sense. In the last thread, someone mentioned the Silver Spears as a potential rival for the Thunder Kings. I reckon that to be a fine idea as well, and perhaps the Silver Spears could have been responsible for some grave defeat of the loyalist Thunder Kings--perhaps in defense of the traitorous ones? I wonder if the Wolves of Dawn, much like the Black Legion, would take into itself members from other Space Marine legions following the Heresy? If so, I reckon that Selioax, the great traitor of the Thunder Kings, might perhaps have chosen to throw his lot in with Agamemnon rather than go it alone.
>>34442576Holy shit, some one actually used the legion I made last night? Thats rather unexpected.
The Entombed will slay the servants of Nurgle, wherever they are found.
Do the Zealouts have a color scheme yet? If not, I could make one.
>>34443301woah woah woah. whered you make that?
>Primarch Name.Kranios>Describe your primarch's defining talent.Kranios and his legion were seemingly Immune to the dangers of falling and sudden collisions. Falls or impacts that would kill even Astartes could be shrugged off. They are also resistant to blunt force weapons, making even Power Weapons that are not meant for cutting or piercing less effective against them.>What is the name of your legion?Battle Rams (Open to a name change)>What are the legions main tactics/characteristics?Battle Rams function best as both Shock and Anti Shock troops. They excel at both charging the enemy to break them as well as a sudden impact from an enemy force. They also excel at the use of drop pods, their extreme resilience meaning the pod barely has to slow down making the impact craters far more devastating at no harm to it's inhabitants.>As a primarch, what is your opinion about the use of psychic power, particularly within your Legion?Kranios had little understanding of Psykers. Those few who were interrupted by their strange powers and unable to focus on the task at hand on his mountainous home world tended to fall to a clumsy and painful death. The use of Librarians were never integrated into his legion as he could not find a place to use them in his straightforward battle plans.
>>34443330I googled terminator painter and it was the first hit
>>34443289WHat Legion is that?>>34443319I also have an idea for them. Their armor is the darkest onyx, covered in flowing script written in small, barely visible lines of crimson, lending them a dark red look from afar.
Oh yeah since I won't be able to post it soon, the Mech Warriors colour scheme.
>>34443332>who do you side with, Chaos or Emperor?Let's say his legion was tricked into being turned to chaos.>What's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed (if any) or traditions?Battle Rams suffer from a simple mindset. Leaders lead. Individual low ranked members are usually horrible at making tactical decisions, it is not until they reach higher ranks that they are expected to understand how each action contributes to a grand battle plan. Regardless, even the highest ranked Longhorn struggles to understand the influence of their actions on a galactic scale.>What is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?Battle Rams enjoy the use of blunt force weapons such as Thunder Hammers and Power fists as well any vehicles or weapons that allow them to crack open enemy fortifications.>After the Heresy, what is your former Legion's major deviation from the Codex - or what unique gift does your dark god give your Legion, now?Kranios was possessed by countless daemons of every Chaos God constantly commanding him to perform tasks for their patron deities within the warp. so much as being in his presence left those around him at an extreme risk of possession. The Battle Rams turned into a melancholy group, making camps in the Formless Wastes of the Warp until one for their leaders to become possessed and give them some purpose to follow.>What is your legions motivation? What do they ultimately want?Getting whatever task they have been assigned finished.> Where was your legion during the siege on Terra?On their home world of Bovis and it's neighboring worlds, unaware of what they were meant to be doing due to scrambled messages and unclear orders being received from both Traitors and Loyalists until they were finally deceived by a traitor legion to give themselves to Chaos.
>>34442576War Scribes here. I noticed you guys were looking for a place to set up a Shadow Crusade type deal. Pretty much everything about my Legion encourages them to create their own sort of Ultramar, a place that they can build, lock down, and then methodically search for the Dark Age relics they love so much. They're Grand Strategists, somewhat standoffish, and love empire building. They're also somewhat prone to trusting people they shouldn't, if they act like they're friendly and trustworthy, so they'd be in prime position to be betrayed in some fashion.
>>34443347I made the Eyes of the Emperor, the ranged and cowardly legion.
>>34443330Bolter and Chainsword SM Painter.
>>34443319Holy shit.People are using the Legion I created?VERY WELL!I SHALL CONTRIBUTE!Here you are Anon, I posted this in the original thread where this was created
>>34443266>Thunder Kings are rumored to be related to the thunder warriors, which would make them the oldest of Emperor's servants>You'd think they'd be seen with more respect for that.>Nah, all the glory goes to some flashy poster boys who aren't anywhere as tough.
The 1d4chan needs some serious work. It needs:>An opening blurb, explaining what it is (a /tg/-made alternate horus heresy) and a basic timeline for the Hektor Heresy>Formatting seperating the Traitor and Loyalist legions>Updated blurbs for each legion>Pictures of each legion's color scheme
>>34443373I liked them a lot. Very different from the common chapter.
Are we going to list and number the primarchs and legions? So we know which legion is I with is II and so on.
>>34443409>>34443407I believe it also needs to stress the Xenos and Medicae focused side of my legion.
>>34443385Your Legion are the Arch-Traitors.What's the Primarch's Name though? Someone put it down as Gilamenshe Maccabias, the God-King of Urak, the Herald of the Gods. His objective is to become the God-King once more, as he was on his Home World. In a primitive way, the ancient religions of his home world were reflections of the True Gods, the belief in which he never relinquished, even when he was claimed by the Emperor. His ultimate desire is to become a living divinity, the Chosen of the Gods among the mortal realm. He is manipulated into turning Hektor by Starikov.
>>34443373are you okay with how they stand at the moment? anything to add/modify?>>34443224machine warriors, machine guard, war machines, the automatons, + variations along those lines + add colours where desired?>>34443385welcome back my traitor brother.
>>34443447When I posted, I went under this name, Aubrey the Grey.My legion was based around Medicae and Xenos Auxiliary.I hate to step over established canon.However, If we are to fall, let it be on our terms.Xenos betrayal probably contributed to the falling.
Anybody have suggestions on how to make The Entombed more interesting?
>>34443399The angle I'm playing is that the "modern" Astartes view them as either obsolete or as a perversion or "imperfect" variant of what they themselves are, though there aren't practically all that many differences between other legions' geneseed and the Thunder Kings'.
>>34443450Yes, Machine Guard I like. That is a good name.
>>34443498From what we've talked about, the Zealots were turned by the Children of Armok, who in turn turned Hektor and started the Heresy. The Zealots are the NotWordBearers, the champions of the Gods.Or at least, that was what we were discussing.
>>34443016I am waiting in the darkness of space for the universe's time of need
>>34443501Give them a gene seen mutation where they can't breathe without a special gas or something. So they can only take off their helmets on their ships. They have to have special cannisters fitted to their armour with that gas in. Meaning they can't be deployed for a super long time.
>>34443498Hi, it would make sense that the Children had regular dealings with Xenos for the spy network and use in plotting/scheming. So we could have corrupted the Zealots through the Xenos and we don't have to change a whole bunch of tg/canon that way?If you are okay with that?captcha: the cyfecti - sounds like agood name for a corrupted Xenos for you Aubrey the Grey, or the Eternal Zealots..
>>34443549Well, I thought maybe they don't take off their armour at all. After the chemical attack on Istvaan V, they decided to remain permanently sealed in their Armour, safe from the vile poisons of the Life Bringers.
>>34443548Holy shit - put the stone men in already - I missed them on my initial count up, I didn't mean to. Apart from a 20ft primarch I thought they were pretty good!
>>34443595Also>They decorate their armour with the skulls of their fallen battlebrothers, which sometimes gains them scorn from the Inquisition. Entombed Centurions opt for grizzlier decorations: they decorate their Armour with the skulls of the enemy.The front of an Ossuary-Pattery Dreadnought looks like pic related.
>>34443534I could see that.General time line.Contact with the Interex happened - Possibly my chapter, or some other, either way the Chapter Studied the technology and started to design its own technologies.Betrayal of the Tarellians - This may be the causing factor of their fall, rework it abit perhaps, but the miscommunication needs to stay.Children of Armok cause their Heresy.>>34443587I believe that they may have instigated the coup, letting things fall into place that Aubrey would be away from his planet, giving the Tarellians the appropriate tools to be able to cause this massive cluster fuck of a miscommunication, causing another loyalist legion to be beset upon them, of course the children would know the Zealots were hardy enough to with-stand it.This drove the Zealots into the arms of Chaos.I wouldn't say nurgle, they are the opposite to him, either Khorne or Tzeentch, though I'd say leaning towards Tzeentch or simply un-divided.
>>34443548Write yourself in, the Stone Men are cool. >>34443332>>34443365Do that as well please. >>34443595Doesn't make much sense, they need to eat, after all. Could just be a cultural thing though, like the Life Bringers never go close to a battle zone without a sealed helmet on due to their combat style, the Entombed do the same because they know how to deal with Life Bringers.
>>34443679>Doesn't make much sense, they need to eat, after all.Not if you know their terrible secret: They're spooky scary skeletons.
>>34443706Loyalist Rubric Marines? Sounds cool.
I did a bit of cleaning up on the id4chan page to make it look a bit better. I'll keep at it.
>>34443661Ok, I am really fucking confused. Do we need a different NotWordbearers? Because these guys don't feel like fanatical worshippers of Chaos.
>>34443661Oh and Aubrey and his legion are not immortal.They can heal faster than other astartes, but not Immortal.
Should probably write some more backstory, eh.I wrote about the homeworld here: >>34433518 if you guys are compiling that information. For most intents and purposes, many of the Marines remained among those same tribes which they grew up on while still on Alessia, not separated from their original tribes. This was likely to be part of the reason why so many rebelled with such ease, and the tribal custom was revoked following the Heresy in favor of a diversified recruitment and training scheme.Also, new colors.
anyone remember what marine color scheme i posted with the council of iron lol? i have too many that ive been experimenting with that i dont remember what one i used
>>34443439I believe we should consider doing that at some point fairly soon. It would be good to mark the official "OK guys, this is how many Legions we have" point. Beyond whatever that number happens to be, no more Primarchs would be added. It'd also let the 1d4chan writers organize things better. Are we having any Missing Primarchs in this AU, or are they all going to be known, just because there's a lot of them already?
>>34443735We don't have fanatical worshipers of Chaos, at least not undivided. Currently it's mostly Children of Armok tzeentchy dickery nudging most others against the Imperium. >>34443758
>>34443731I don't know much about wikis or the terminology, but you should have a contents header with a line break for loyalist and traitor legions, instead of just one for "legions," and then a bold header for each legion.
>>34443735we don't NEED to make an expy of a GW legion - we have our own takes on how it goes down you know?This makes the notWordBearers stand in - the Zealots, far more interesting than just lolweareevilbecausereligionisbad.jpg>>34443758look here http://archive.moe/tg/thread/34414189/ its the original thread.>>34443788have them all known cos primarchs going missing just seemed fucking weird tbh. Like GW ran out of ideas and thought fuck it lets just say they are lost.
>>34443788All known.Now, since the Zealots seem to be a Xenos-loving Legion and not a Chaos-Worshipping Legion, I've made a dedicated Chaos legion who can be manipulated by the Children to start the Heresy.Sanctified Host: Hailing from the world of Urak, the Legion were always those who craved belief ion powers beyond human comprehension. Gilamenshe Maccabias, the God-King of Urak was the Herald of the Gods. His objective is to become the God-King once more, as he was on his Home World, where he was seen as the servant of the Gods, who came from the heavens to deliver the true word. In a primitive way, the ancient religions of his home world were reflections of the True Gods, the belief in which he never relinquished, even when he was claimed by the Emperor. His ultimate desire is to become a living divinity, the Chosen of the Gods among the mortal realm. He is manipulated into turning Hektor by Starikov.
>>34443848Needs legion tactics, geneseed/culture and specialist equipment, if any. Please not be Word Bearer 2: Electric Boogaloo
>>34443838>>34443848Sounds good. Now that more Legions have been made and different people have been in and out, do we have a firm count of how many Legions we have, and how many went Chaos or stayed Imperial?
>>34443848I don't see why it can't just be instigated by xeno-lovers, manipulated by the chaos-loving children to start the heresy.Our heresy can be different.
>>34443922>>34443848I second this - we don't need a wordbearers expy I dont think. They were always the most boring legion anyway because they were reduced to nothing more than an expy of Christian religious zealotry and demagoguery. We can be different - we're /tg/.
Gotta go have dinner; this is all looking great, guys, and I'm really happy to be a part of this with you all!
>>34443991Why be Christian? Why can't we have something like Muslim, or Hindu? I was thinking along the lines of the initial jihads of Muhammad's early followers, the ones what took the Muslims from Mecca to Tours.
>>34443735>>34443848>>34443838>>34443805>>34443991That would come later I suppose, I originally had them strike out as independent.Aubrey seeked knowledge, his research into the potential of "healing magicks" as an alternative to practical medicae.The heresy happens...Aubrey becomes very mad...He had been mocked for his use of xenos, mocked for his "barbaric" and "superstitious" research into these magicks....But he was right...he was fucking right.After the betrayal, he threw himself into these studies...he was approached by the children, showing him the proof of these magicks, giving Aubrey the deal he could never refuse, in the name of medicine.Tzeentch, fitting that the Children corrupted him and his legion, they would fly his flag of sorcery.The Zealots were filled with rage, how dare [INSERT LEGION HERE] cause such death and destruction to their brothers, they would pay, ALL of the Imperium would pay for their bigotry and closed minded ways.Aubrey wanted an Imperium, a better Imperium, where men and xenos could live in prosperity, this was his vision and no one could get in his way now he had a god on his side.
>>34443679we beat up everyone during the crusades indiscriminately. this includes;3 alien races (to extinction)an ork warbossan entire craftworldand a warp incursiononce the heresy began, we became confused over who to fight. not like we considered becoming traitorous, we just literally couldn't tell who was with the right emperor (we're kind of dumb)so we set our navigators for the farthest deep space object we could find, and went in search of new discoveries (and things to punch)we're only a rumor now. reports come into the administratum of encounters with tyranids where what looks like giant armored marines come out of nowhere riding falling meteorites, bombarding the swarms.then we disappear into the blackness of spacewe're pretty much a loyalist alpha legion
>>34443243Alright, that makes sense since the Crusaders and Ultras are fairly comparable. So if the Crusaders are not on Terra, where are they? I think them being bogged down in an a large scale land war with another Traitor Legion would be a good way to stop them.
>>34444084Who starts the betrayal then? The Zealots corrupt the Warmaster Hektor and kick-start the entire Heresy.
>>34444022I think we shouldn't do much with references to IRL religions. That's gonna be a touchy subject, full of trolls, fedoras, and fundamentalism. Best to steer clear.
>>34444022not a bad idea, but it'd have to be authentic. I do like the idea of Arabic or Rajput/Mughal marines though - bright gaudy colours etc. Real midle eastern/indian features too, instead of salamanders white guys with black guy skin pigment cos fuck black people.But the problem we have now is that we have a really unique link with the Zealots and the Children via Xenos. The Sanctified Host (would need a new name)is just a copy of the GW legion... we could make the religious nuts NOT be the first to fall/play the word bearers, and just be a cool legion?They can;t be malal obviously, but i can't stop thinking ''Malal Hu Akbar!''
>>34444146True. How about extinct Religions then?
I just realized my legion name kind of..contradicts itself..so i might rename it..
>>34444187Nigga you best not be stealing my terminatory spotlight.
>>34444095OR a Legion of the Damned!Badasses who swoop in and save those in need of saving. Silently guarding the galaxy as best they can.
>>34444177Could be. >>34444165I kinda like the idea of the religious Legion (if any) staying loyalist, even if it does bring to mind the Dornian Heresy a bit much. They did the whole "Lorgar stays loyal, so the Imperial Creed is much stronger and more useful to the Imperium" bit. Or, they could become a Lost Legion, having crusaded all the way out of the galaxy, lost to the Imperium in shrouds of mythology and half remembered records.
>>34444095Or rather, Legion of the Damned. So you're fighting some xenos or traitors and it goes bad, then suddenly, super-tough stone marines show up and wreck everything.
>>34444216but mostly punching stuff outside of the galaxy that the imperium doesn't know about it
>>34444187Nah, it makes about as much sense as anything GW's put out.Also,>Not Dragos Mokou, Primarch of the Immortal PheonixesA missed opportunity.
>>34444084You know, there are Xenos who worship Chaos, like the Laer. How would the Zealots take a Chaos-Worshipping Xenos race? Would that help set them down the path to damnation and corrupting the Warmaster?
>>34444216Legion of the Damned is too cool to have our OC grab ahold of them. Let them be their own thing, I'd say, it's good as it is. Having the Stone Men be the first Imperials to encounter the Tyranids is a cool idea though. No Kryptmann here, it's been known since 30k that the Nids are coming. Plenty of time for people to panic, surrender, go insane, forget about it, and betray those who will be hit first, in a grimdark orgy of "You could have stopped it!" Delicious, delicious bureaucratic gridlock.
Those legion names are utterly terrible.> Silver Cataphrats> Lizard Feet> Omegon Annihilators (OMG OMEGA AND ANNIHILATION ^ ^)Like really?!!
So have the Lizard legion been cut out now or not? Because if the Lizard's stay then the Loyalists have two more legions than the traitors.
I'm uploading the various pictures to the 1d4chan page
>>34444084His legion believed now, fully, that they would be the ones to lead a NEW IMPERIUM.A perfect Imperium and they believed the loyalists were beneath them and should therefore, die.>>34444132Zealots were corrupted by the Children of Armok, after their Xeno friends betrayed them, likely instigated BY the Children of Armok.Now we have a legion who are now the Arch Traitors, therefore, it was likely them or the Zealots who corrupted them.Likely during a deployment, using un-holy magicks to heal the warmaster and his legion.>>34444269Yes, YES, THIS!Shall we find one or create a Xenos race?
>>34444285Side note, I may change my chapter's color scheme. Black and Bronze is very similar to the Sons of Fire, maybe too similar.
>>34444297Lizards have been cut.
>>34444297The lizard guys are pretty cool, cutting them would be a shame. Just leave it as is. Considering that we have quite a few legions that didn't pick sides at first and were only eventually pressed into fighting, it's not as unbalanced as it seems.
>>34444114Well the Iron Rangers are the literal Alpha Legion of our setting, so maybe them? They are on their way to Mars and Terra, when you bump into them, and the guerilla war thing begins>>34444132>Who starts the betrayal then? The Children of Armok orchestrate it all. But they don't openly do anything. All covert, and ruthlessly leave no survivors to tell any tales.We could get this new Arabic/Rajput/Mughal Marines to start the actual betrayal?In the confusion we trick a loyalist legion into attacking the Zealots turning them traitor openly too. >>34444269Thats exactly as the Children plan it. Introducing a helpful xenos quietly to the Zealots, who quietly give us thanks for being understanding and helpful, not realising we had sealed their fate.>>34444297I believe the Lizards did get cut, but I'm against cutting anything really.
Who are the Not!World Eaters in this?And please don't tell me it's the Sons of Fire.A flame-focus Khorne legion...? If you are going to dedicate a Khorne legion to fire you should at least put another one that can get the whole "AXES, GUTS, BLOOD!!" thingy in.
>>34444329The Laer are the first, but how about another, undivided worshipping race with a higher level of tech, who can induct the Zealots into the mysteries of Chaos.An Anon sugested an awesome name last thread or so. Use that name.
>>34444404It is the Sons of Fire. Instead of simply drowning planets in blood, they drown them in fire. And we have plenty of close-combat oriented legions on both sides.
>>34444404There aren't any. We don't need a copy of every canon legion.
>>34444370>>34444390Any Legion that's inactive can be slated for bearing the brunt of the Dropsite Massacre or its analog. That way they can still be included, but they don't have to play a major role in the history overall.If they remain inactive in perpetuity, we could consider changing their names eventually.
>>34444406the cyfecti?if that haha technically captcha contribute that
>>34444370>>34444392Only from the googledoc, not 1d4chan. Just leave them, I see no need to start cutting things and arguing about which should or shouldn't get axed.
>>34444287Mines freaking Battle Rams.Be useful and instead of saying names suck think up some good ones. At least for me.Try to incorporate Rams or Horns in some way though.
So any suggestions for the Machine Guard before I leave for the night.?
>>34444486Reckon our primarchs could be at odds, what with the extremely differing tactics. Brennus ain't too cool with recklessness, and all that. Perhaps some disagreements over the conduct of a particular frontline or whatever lead to the Warmaster forcing them apart and assigning them elsewhere?
Eyes of the Emperor, Reporting for duty
>>34444436It's not about getting a copy of each legion, it's that you still need to respect what each Chaos God is about. Khorne prefer hand-to-hand, swords and axes, combat and the Sons of Fire are nothing like that.
>>34444249I literally got my name through a warhammer generator lol.
>>34444464The Cyfecti were a race close to the Eye of Terror, who worshipped the Great Eye and the mighty beings that dwelt within.When contacted by the Zealots, they invited them down and Aubrey was witness to a summoning of a Daemon, which spoke to him. Thus was his eyes opened.
>>34444470>Battle RamsYeaaahh........You put some thoughts into that one huh.Whatever putting a name in this, like "Rams of X", the name would it sound less boring and unimaginative.
>>34444519It's excellent to see you've gotten your marines painted up for us. I updated some stuff about my Legion in the google doc. Could someone add it to the 1d4chan page?
>>34444516"Dad, Brennus is being a fag and not letting my legion work" Also yes.
>>34444567The Pre-Primarch Salamanders were known as the 'Saturnine Rams' in canon.
>>34444524They are - they just use flamers legionwide instead of standard bolters/boltpistols.Kharn the betrayers fluff had him go into a fit of rage and start burning shit down, his own team iirc, And Khorne is about close combat, but they don't have to be mad berzerkers, he likes discipline and martial prowess too. The Sons of Fire bring all that. And burn the rest away. Leaving only Skulls.
>>34444519You know, since my legion was a traitor that turned loyalist halfway through the war, how would the other Legions look upon the Emperors eyes?Also, since Leman russ no longer exists, I guess my primarch is still alive?
>>34444406Yes, could have been Children of Armoks little secret...Aubrey would have been introduced to them, the Laer greeted Aubrey with great fashion, appealing to his now dwindling ego.They inducted him with a ritual, further cementing him into the side of Chaos.
>>34444636Your primarch can still die. I bet many of the Primarchs in this 'verse were killed during the Heresy and afterwards.
>>34444567>You put some thoughts into that one huh.I did not. The name was why I made my Primarch a simpleton. Stupid name, stupid Primarch.
>>34442784The alternative to "everyone gets a legion" is to allow folks to claim minor characters in the already developed legions. I mean, you're still planning a Second Founding, right?
>>34444590Horns of X thenI don't see anything about that legion in the 1d4chan, but I'd say the legion sound brutish so something really harsh and hard sounding> Kross> Dozz> Bardun
>>34444664The Laer couldn't communicate with men, and didn't try to. However the Cyfecti can speak and do try to communicate, as the Gods have told them that they can help in spreading the True Word to the Humans.
This is the current list as far as I can gather.Loyal I: Knights of JusticeLoyal II: War ScribesTraitor III: Silver SpearsTraitor IV: Sons of FireLoyal V: Void PrivateersLoyal VI: The EntombedLoyal VII: Scions of EuropaTraitor VIII: Children of ArmokLoyal IX: Machine GuardLoyal X: The CrusadersTraitor XI: Wolves of DawnTraitor XII: Life BringersLoyal XIII: Lizard FleetTraitor XIV: Black AugursTraitor XIV: Argent LegionTraitor XVI: Eternal ZealotsTraitor XVII: BulwarkLoyal XVIII: Omegon AnnihilatorsLoyal XIX: Eyes of the EmperorTraitor XX: Iron RangersTraitor XXI: Council of IronLoyal XXII: Thunder KingsLoyal XXIII: Silver CataphractsTraitor XXIV: MastodontiiLoyal XXV: Falcus CobaltLoyal XXVI: Steel Marshalls
>>34444668Good point. Eventually, we need to consider if we want to have any living Primarchs, Chaos or Loyalist. They'd have a massive impact on the setting's history after the Heresy, of course. Having many living Primarchs could significantly reduce the stagnation of the setting, if not the grimdarkness.
>>34444636Oh by the way, my Primarch is Octullus Tyran>>34444668I suppose that is true, but I figure it will have to be different then the original one. Perhaps he could die during his betrayal of the traitors, and is personally hung up by Hektor?
>>34444731So this 'Verse's Ferrus? The first Primarch to die? Gutsy.
>>34444547the eye of terror opened after the heresy didnt it?And that would be a bit too open and obviously bad.The chaos gods corrupted humanity slowly and subtly at first.Thats why they chose the Children of Armok to start the gods great plan.I see it more that the Children quietly introduced the Cyfecti to the Zealots, who secretly used Xenos. The Zealots felt like the Children were being understanding and helpful, but they were really subtly introducing the Zealots to the whims of Chaos. Then when the Tarellian shit goes down, again orchestrated by the Children, the Zealots know who to turn to = the Dark Gods.>>34444680as a poster pointed out in the other thread - people want their own stuff - i dont mind people claiming whatever if they stay true to the legions fluff/vibe, but people want to make their own. Not pick other peoples.
>>34444596The age-old debate about Khorne being an honorable, disciplined knight warrior or whatever. Somehow he can be all that and still violently desire to drown in blood till the end of times.I'm sorry but the World Eaters do a better job being a Khorne legion, and I would think this thing would be about doing better than what we currently have from GW.
>>34444748>the eye of terror opened after the heresy didnt it?No it was open before that.
>>34444713So the Sons of Fire are the IVth Legion? I can get behind that.And Inferox is the seventeenth Primarch found, later on in the Crusade.
>>34444748It was open waaaay before
>>34444748No, the Eye opened at the death of the Eldar Empire, well before the current timeline. Its opening was what calmed the warp storms enough that the Great Crusade could begin, IIRC, so it would have opened very recently, as far as our Primarchs are concerned.
>>34444748It was open before the Heresy. It was opened by the Birth of Slaanesh.
>>34444713the Children are only technically a traitor legion. Post Heresy, both sides think they are working with them. in other words, the traitors believe them to be traitors, while the Loyalist think they are still loyal, although some are starting to get suspicious.So the Children are more somewhere in the neutral zone I guess - but they work both sides against eachother.
>>34444769> people who don't know about 40k lore in charge of refluffing it.
>>34444748To be honest, I'd be pretty happy developing the minor twists on a larger story. Plus, signing on to be a Captain in a Legion probably means getting your own Chapter, so "own stuff" is satisfied.
>>34444761Chaos is contradiction. Always has been. And blood doesn't just flow from axe wounds. There are countless ways in which it can flow, and that includes being turned to vapour from the searing kiss of fire.
Please edit your legion's 1d4chan entry to have as much information as possible.http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_Heresy
>>34444817It's a big set of lore to learn. That's why you should have multiple people on a project like this, to draw from the collective knowledge. Also, god forbid someone, you know... just go look it up, when it becomes relevant, and not get bent out of shape about it. Try harder, bro.
>>34444817It was wan't it? It's one of the reasons Pertuabo had a a huge persecution complex. His world was close to it and he constantly felt it looking at him. Or was that Kurze? I don't remember. It made one of the primarchs crazy is all.
>>34444867You can try to turn that one any way you want.Stills seems odd.
>>34444747I suppose that could fit, but I guess that would mean no one would die on Istvaan V then, as my Primarch would die during the siege of Terra as his paranoia gets the best of him and his mounting fear of what would become of him and his legion if they won.
>>34444761how do you out do guys who do nothing but rage and behead things with axes?You can't top that because that is the logical end on that ideological definition. The sons of fire can be the exact same thing, but with flamers too. Minus the endless rage.They still scream and get mad in battle, but they arent mindless idiots who charge at everything because bloodforthebloodgod.And the WE would use flamers to - how do you think you get flesh off of the bone underneath? you burn it off. The Sons of Fire just take it further and burn worlds down to the crust too.I think overkill in any way is pretty Khornate... >>34444769>>34444776>>34444778>>34444810my bad - thanks for the correction. Yeah i forgot about all that bit...
Someone updated the wiki page with images of the marines. You actually got mine wrong whoever did it. I updated the scheme during the first thread later on. It's attached here in the last thread>>34436784
>>34444547>>34444697Both interesting.The Daemon needs to stay.Perhaps they can only communicate through telepathy, due to their closeness to the eye, all are psykers of some kind.I have some images of either Captains or Aubrey himself in armour.I use Chapter Generator for abit more customisation.
>>34444956We need at least one Primarch Deaths on Isstvan V. Your Guy is the self-sacrifice, he deliberately sacrificed himself to let his sons get away.
>>34444968Generally, "overkill/excess" is more Slanneshi than anything else, but Chaos isn't something you can easily delineate, by definition. >>34445027What program made that?
>>34444823thats a fair point well made - if you wanna join up with someone then go for it - I think only the notSonsofHorus have a second in command as a notAbaddon (Agamemnon)
>>34444968You really can't top endlessly raging berzekers as a Khorne legion?Lemme see, after 5 seconds of reflexion -> Cannibals.You have melee in it (they have to get up close to eat you), you have extreme violence, they eat you, domination/predation (they hunt you), they don't rage endlessly because they actually want to get you and thus have to think a little.Now give a minute and I can give you a name.
So far this is my list of primarchs.Silver Spears: Maranthos EgilleBulwark: NONAMEBlack Augurs: Visios the VoidwatcherLife Bringers: JohannesMastodontii: NONAMECouncil of Iron: NONAMEArgent Legion: MalphasIron Rangers: Rogerius MerrillWolves of Dawn: HektorSons of Fire: The Burned KingBattle Rams: KranosKnights of Justice: BohemondSteel Marshalls: Roman AlbrechtMachine Guard: Fjordous MachenisSilver Cataphracts: NONAMEOmegon Annihilators: NONAMEThe Crusaders: Thomas GaudinVoid Privateers: NONAMEWar Scribes: NONAMEThunder Kings: BrennusEyes of the Emperor: NONAMEScions of Europa: KleisthenesLizard Feet: NONAMEThe Entombed: GolgothosChildren of Armok: Urist StarikovObviously there's some missing. If your's isn't on their tell me and I'll change it.
>>34444984update it yourself ye lazy cunt
>>34445142There's a LOT of stuff that's been added to the Google doc, at least. Might wanna check there. At the very least, my Primarch has a name now.
Right /tg/ I'm want to write more about the Crusaders, but I don't know what direction to take them. Warrior Monks? Stoic Soldiers? Peacekeepers? Any help will be gratefully accepted.
>>34445142We need more names and more details.We know roughly what several legions do, but others have nothing on them. What do the Mastodontii do during the Heresy? How about the Silver Spears?
>>34445188Thanks. I'm making a chart.
>>34445044Golgothos was wounded badly enough on Istvaan V to be placed in a Dreadnought
>>34445190The 40k world could use some peacekeepers.Ala, "try to not kill them" pacification.Now how to have that fit in 40k... That should get your brain running.
>>34445217Yeah, but at least one other Primarch should be the Ferrus and die completely.
>>34445044We also need one Legion for the Eternal Zealots Betrayal.Simply put, during a miscommuncation during the coup of the Tarellians, a Legion came to eradicate the Tarellians, however, the Zealots on the planet believed their primarch was wounded by the legion incoming due to communications from their Tarellian allies.The fight broke out and then the Tarellians began to stealthfully eliminate Captains and important members of staff, as well as ambushing others.Aubrey came to the planet, Urist in tow and He was furious with the Legions Primarch.I shall dump another possible Captain/Aubrey
>>34445238Well the War Scribes primarch needs to live long enough afterward to write/compile/whatever the Codex Astartes
>>34445054http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282304-chapter-generator/Link for you, dumping another image.
the stone men are forever immortalized in dataslates.now I am off to drawfag
>>34445115that is fair. I like it. But why can't we just add cannibalism to the Sons of Fire? That one act is all the differentiates WE from your superWE. I mean the SonsofFire anon would have to agree - but why not? He is Khornes chosen... >>34445079>>34444823out of all of the legions, the Children have the most need to control and have incredibly close ties with our chapters - while we are technically traitors, we are still actively posing as loyalists so would have to adhere to the Codex,However, we could always have a chapter kept completely in the dark as to the parent legions real secrets, and use them as a way to make our legion/successors look like we are loyal when we aren't. Same with the Traitor legions - we make a chapter that 'turns to chaos' then we use as a tool for keeping the Trators on our side. Shit we in a pinch could make it look like we are dealing with the Chaos Legions, when all we really do is glass a world so no pesky witnesses, and then fake a battle with the traitor chapters so we look truly active to suspicous watchers. That fits with the Espionage/ColdWar spymaster theme, and lets us play politics in the middle.I'll update and clean the wiki entry tomorrow, I don't know how people want to organise the legions info, but it is a bit of a mess at the moment. I dont mind cleaning it, but first - sleep.
>>34445257Who else was on the planet? We have more then three Legions decimated at the Dropsite, I know that.Also a map of the Isstvan Dropside from Massacre to use.
>>34445257I also wondered if my Primarch, beyond seeking out other Primarchs to compile their wisdom into the Codex, wouldn't have been the one to set up the High Lords of Terra/Administratum, and try to reorganize the Imperium after the Emperor's interment on the Throne, since Grand Strategy is the only thing he's really good at aside from hunting relics. After that massive ordeal, he would pretty much engage in a shadow war with the Mechanicus, attempting to force them to give over the tech that he believed could have saved the Imperium (whether it exists or not). Eventually, he could either be killed by the Mechanicus, or simply devote so much of his time to countering their tendency to hoard shit and not talk to anyone else, that the rest of the Imperium doesn't even know he's around anymore. Or, some 3rd option, if anyone has a good idea. >>34445269Fucking sweet, thanks.
>>34445190>joint operations and unconventional tactics, unmatched flexibilityDoesn't sound like it fits strict warrior monks, though I can see peacekeepers acting like that. Either way, Crusaders are the smart tactical guys who outmaneuvered Life Bringer forces and detonated their labs on Rai at the start of the Heresy with an infiltration team, resulting in the whole planet biosphere being completely fucked up beyond any repair and the planet getting exterminatus'd so it doesn't spread further. 10000 years after the Heresy and Johannes is still butthurt about that.
>>34445356The Entombed, the War Scribes, and the Scions are the only ones firmly there.
Right so these are the legions we need primarchs for.Void PrivateersLizard FleetBulwarkOmegon AnnihilatorsEyes of the EmperorCouncil of IronSilver CataphractsMastodontii
OK, a suggestion for developing/splitting the War Scribes:At the moment, they're at Istvaan V in a "yep, we were here, too" way. Now, being the sensible, cautious types they are, I suspect that the War Scribes had "tactical differences" with Golgothos and there was probably some acrimony after the battle.But honestly, "our legion hates your legion" is a bit dull and The Entombed aren't really capable of pursuing a grudge anyway. So, let's have the War Scribes detach a moderately important figure (call him "Captain Galilei") as liason officer to The Entombed. Galilei is Right There as The Entombed get cut to pieces and gets badly wounded in the fighting, putting him out of action for the rest of the Heresy.While recovering, Galilei throws the War Scribe equivalent of a tantrum. He lays out a logical argument indicating that, while his Primarch's strategy was the correct one, the War Scribes neither demanded that the other legions take their lead nor took an appropriate supporting role. Galilei's conclusion is very mildly worded and merely suggests that the legion should "learn from this experience" - fighting words in War Scribe speak.>>34445365 - this might give you more of a cue for writing Arelex Orannis out of the story.
>>34445142The nam efor the Eyes of the Emperor is Octullus Tyran
>>34445115Prototype nameThe Gorges.Trying to find some derivations but that's the core of what the name would be.Theme: Endless hunt. Seek the strong to devour them in the most direct manner and then absorb their strength. Have a genetic deviation in that their mouth can extend enough to devour a regular human.They could be a mistake of the Emperor, their ability to absorb the strength of what they consume seen as an asset to him, but then Khorne influence the Legion by making them crave more for the feeding process. The rest is to be determined.
>>34445365Yes, I think Primarch Orannis would definitely be the one to step up and establish the Administratum.Also, while a shadow war with the Mechanicus is a good idea, I don't think the AdMech would go so far as to kill him. May I suggest that Primarch Orannis went missing while searching for Archeotech in deep space?
>>34445370Alright then and in retaliation the Life Bringers bio bomb a recruitment world of the Crusaders? Turning it into a Death World that both Legions battle still battle over.
Oh and the Falcus Cobalt, I need their primarch aswell.
>>34445445Oh hey, they could have a Not!Maoi theme, with huge obsidian power saws
>>34445321I thought the Sons of Fire were about disciplined Cleansing Through Fire? Hard to have them then eat the... ashes... yeah no it doesnt work.
>>34445142Oh yeah, throwing the updated picture here because I can't into 1d4chan image uploads.
>>34445356The War Scribes have always been trusting sorts, even when it's wrong for them to do so. If the other Legions being sent to fight on Isstvan were their friends, they would certainly have walked right into the trap and been blasted to shit.All that would be left would be the hundreds of relic hunter squads across the galaxy, plus a handful of Isstvan survivors. Rebuilding the Legion would take many decades, just to contact the stragglers. When re-assembled, they'd be not much larger than the Black Templars, probably, and would either split into Successors, or maybe even split into a single Chapter + a lot of ten man squads, carrying on business as usual. >>34445399Yes, that's what I was proposing, giving options to be written out, if it was determined that I should be. >>34445454Could be, I was just trying to think of something more than the usual "And he was never heard from again, but he could totally be coming back, guys!" I just liked the idea of a Primarch really giving the Admech a lot of shit for their methodologies. It'd cause a lot of tension with the Admech not wanting to appear weak in public, but also needing to keep a lid on this Primarch in private.
Right, there's the table so we can keep track.
>>34445365Well the mechanicus thing is good, and speaks of the corruption and stagnation the Imperium faces after the Heresy.Could even fluff it that the Mechanicum is after you to get the relics you've been hoarding = you both love to hoard tech/relics, but for different agendas.The Children would have a vested interest in helping/hindering you too - your legion is a literal boon of information, so Uriel would undoubtedly do his very best to be your best friend, in order to share in your discoveries of all kinds, tech and seemingly useless data.but the Shadow War thing makes sense - you vs the Mechanicus with the Children keeping both sides balanced for our own aims.Possibly involved with the mechanicus backed plot to kill your primarch because you were too powerful a force?>>34445454they wouldnt go that far on their own accord. But with subtle nudging and suggestion they might... The going missing in deep space might be how they get rid of him without being so obvious...
There's not enough colour schemes for the traitor Legions.
>>34445142An updated design for the Crusaders that I'd like to see on the 1d4chan since I can't into image embedding either.
>>34445490it does if they eat seared flesh of off charred bones... Look you argue a good point about their link with Khorne, but this *is* an AU. we don't need to make each official legions expy. We have just used them where we have as frameworks for a measuring stick of power and position vis-a-vis loyalty and legion strength etc.
>>34445495Well, if the War Scribes are conservative, by-the-book guys, they were probably going through procedures as The Entombed got slaughtered. It could be a bit of a feel-good moment for Orannis, as his ability to rapidly analyse data and determine the right course really comes into its own.But I still think this kind of pivotal, traumatic moment is a good time to start dissent within the legion. Perhaps Galilei's critique provokes Orannis' loyalists, but not the primarch himself? That way you could have Orannis go off into space, sickened by the faction-fighting.
>>34445454I should explain further, come to think of it. The shadow war would come out of a difference of opinion about sharing technology, but it doesn't become a true *conflict* until after the Heresy, when Arelex is despondent in his own way about his Legion's losses, and about the state the Emperor's in.Rightly or wrongly, Arelex would believe that technology could have saved the Imperium, and blame the Admech's hoarding for the Imperium's defeat. And then, he would go to war in his own way. Depending on how things went, the High Lords might even have him killed, if they feared that he would cause the Mechanicus to abandon the Imperium and leave everyone else high and dry. Arelex would believe that he could take their place, but others would see that as hubris. Or, he might continue fighting into the "present day".Or, the Mechanicus might have found a way to kill him behind the scenes. Whatever you guys think is more interesting.
>>34445474Who is that Maoi you speak of?I would say they would eschew the use of weapons, as it could destroy what is to be their food to come. I could see them using oversized nails as weapons, but they could use a signature melee weapon...Gonna see if I can come up with a Primarch.
How come there is no kriegish legion yet?
>>34445142My legion is the Nova Defenders. I'm about to get to a computer, and dump some fluff.
>>34445580> seared fleshSo yes, ashes... this 40k I doubt you are going to get your meat well-done with those flamers.I would be more than fine with them if they were not the Khorne aligned legion.They do NOT fit as a Khorne legion.
>>34442576GENTLEMEN!Shall we discuss Primarch relations.However, once again, I need a legion to assist in the Betrayal.That being said.Aubreys Personality.He grew up around xenos whose caste system had Medicine at the bottom and Warriors on top.He made his way up the caste system and became a general.He is a kind but very proud man.He prefers the scalpel over the sword and he sees himself as an intellectual and takes pride in that, as it is how he made his way up the caste system.He hates narrow minded people.He cares for the general people, the non-astartes, as well as the standard troops of the astartes, as much as his primarch brothers.
>>34445492>>34445573Done these two.
Anyone want something on the id4chan page edited or an image of their Legionaries done? I'm feeling generous.
>>34445653They fit as a Khorne Legion. Khorne isn't just about shedding blood with a chainaxe. Don;t have so narrow a definition of what makes a Legion Khornate.
>>34445653That is true, but who says they burn them before they eat them?They might not embody everything the WE do about Khorne, but they are Khornate. As I pointed out dude, they can engage in close combat too, and just not use bolters.They could just be the goddamn WE with flamers instead of bolters for christ sake. Still using axes etc.Besides flamers have a short reach - it makes sense if you obsess over flamers you have close combat weapons too. but w.e you have your opinion and thats great.Have a good night.
Hmmm..i need a home planet for my legion..
Currently the Traitors have 12 legions and the Loyalists have 15. Maybe we should balance it out?
>>34445529Well, if we go that route, probably the way Arelex dies/disappears/leaves is that he sets up this grand clockwork machine of the Imperium, but he's not the Emperor, and he goes nuts trying to keep it all from breaking. And it breaks quickly. And try as he might, he can't really come to grips with why people can't just do what they're supposed to, for the good of the Imperium, because at a fundamental level, he doesn't really understand *ambition*. He can't of course, because grimdark, so he picks the Mechanicus as his target, his reason for why things are going to shit, and escalates things with them to the point where ___________ happens. Some of the Primarchs support him for what he can offer. Some support him for what he's done. Some don't give a shit, some are dead, and some oppose his attempts to maintain centralized control, when it's clear that no one but the Emperor could. How long it all lasts, I couldn't say. In keeping with the grimdark, I'd figure that his death is nigh-inevitable, but he did at least give the Imperium a political structure to work with, and if he hadn't fought so strenuously against the Admech, they would have taken the power away from the Imperium, and the center of the Imperium would have been Mars, not Terra. To the Mechanicus, Arelex is the man who kept them from their ascendancy and dominance. To the Imperium, Arelex is the one who kept knowledge in the hands of the people. Seem logical?
Didn't read this thread all the way yet, so I don't know if you guys got this, but the Bulwark's Primarch's name was Sebastian, since he posted under the name "Sebastian the Bulwark"
>>34445269>http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282304-chapter-generator/Too bad that shit is in russian >_>
>>34445593I think a mysterious disappearance of him, one way or another, is most fitting for him. Having him directly being around in M.41 ... eh, I don't know about that. And as for outright death? Too ignominious for such a learned man of knowledge.Which makes me think ... should any of the Primarchs still be around by M.41? It'd be cool if they were, but if the Primarchs were around helping people, things may not be grimdark enough for the setting of 40K.....or, perhaps, they could be around, but fighting wars or something.Ugh, writing fluff is hard.
>>34445768See,You ahve to that length to justify them being a Khorne legion> they use flamers BUT they still use axes> they char things to ashes BUT they can still eat them before....> they are disciplined BUT can still be favored legion of the most undisciplined Chaos GodIt feels bloated to me, bloated. You are going to put all those things to make them fit in, but in the end it will just make them feel unfocused or with a weak theme.They would fare better as a undivided legion, there they could focus on fire and never have to worry about if they represent such or such god well.
>>34445462No, they didn't have enough manpower and were busy on Istvaan and Terra during the Heresy. Likely to try something like that during a Black Crusade though.
>>34445839I know...It is usable with the translation google doc however.
>>34445399>The Entombed aren't really capable of pursuing a grudge
>>34445900Yeah but i cant seem to change the signs on the right shoulder though..
>>34445904Sorry, I mean _another_ grudge. You seemed to have a pretty full dance card.
>>34445924Go to the shoulders option and click the x next to it.
>>34445794I like this!
>>34445794yeah that works - his legacy is the fact the Imperium still stands after being decimated during the Heresy. The Mechanicus were manipulated into going after Arelex, and vice versa maybe?It'd make sense as the Children have a vested interest in both parties stores of knowledge. He leaves behind infrastructure and a working poltical system the Children used their friendship with the Scribes to abuse and set up sleeper agents etc. so on Arelex's eventual ''death'', the Mechanicus, via the Children, engineer a situation where Arelex is lost in space/the warp to get rid of him without being 'messy'. >>34445853it would be too ignominious for him to just get assassinated - and it would raise too many questions. So being lost makes sense.
>>34445878You seem to have a very, very narrow definition of what it means to be Khornante. To you, being a servant of Khorne is being a World Eater, an uncontrolled berzerker who cares only for spilling blood with a Chainaxe. That may be true now, but I take my inspiration from old edition material on Khorne, before he was Bowderized by GW.
>>34445941I think, if you're going with what you posted, which you should, The Entombed would declare the War Scribes to be incommunicado: The Entombed will not even acknowledge the War Scribes existence. If the Entombed were deployed on the same battlefield as the War Scribes, they would plan their strategies as if the War Scribes were literally not there. They'd place artillery blasts indiscriminately, march right past the Scribes as they were torn apart by daemons, and not even respond to them on Vox.As far as the Entombed are concerned, the War Scribes do not exist.
>>34445853>>34446013Well, the death would be well and truly dead, Ferrus style, but it would have taken place behind the scenes. Only the Chapter would know about it, and their successors, and a few Imperials very good at reading between the lines. The Mechanicus would have to REALLY THOROUGHLY cover up the fact that they had directly killed a loyal Primarch, after all, and if the War Scribes Chapter *could* ever prove it, it'd be a big deal. Of course, controlling all the cogitators helps a lot.To everyone else, it's a mysterious disappearance, and the War Scribes of the 40th millennium basically operate independently of the Mechanicus, delving for relics and re-engineering their own stuff from them, as do their successors. They'd be doing everything they could to break the Admech's stranglehold, and buying favor of other Imperial forces with their technology (though on such a small scale the 40k Admech has largely dismissed them).They'd be a bit like really well equipped conspiracy theorists, seeing Admech sabotage in every broken piece of equipment (again, grimdark). Many would appreciate them bringing STC fragments to the masses, but just as many would be like "Goddamnit here come the War Scribes again. Just take what they have to offer, but don't listen to their rants about how a Titan Legion "mysteriously" crushed their Primarch or whatever the story is today..." Seem good?
Are we going to have a post-heresy Grey Knights type of chapter?
>>34446073I see no reason why the Emperor would not have created them in this AU just as he did in the canon timeline.
>>34446030Do you think The Entombed would accept an apology from a successor chapter led/inspired by Galilei? I think all possible answers are entertaining in their own way.
>>34445594Found a title for the Primarch of the Gorges.> X, the Endless Mouth.I can see him being a legendary monster on his home planet, one that haunted the woods/savannah and devored the strongest beasts, ignoring other humans for he considered them weak, growing stronger with each hunt.And then a disease on his planet would cause all animals to go dire and mutate into monsters.The Endless Mouth would then lead the humans into a battle for survival against the Monsters, despite his mouth which could extend and distort his normally handsome face, the humans would accept him for he was the only one who managed to kill one.BUT he would force them all to consume the beasts after they fell them.Over the years of hunts, the humans would go strong, but The Mouth would always be the strongest.Thus he would start conquering other continents or other planets. Always devouring conquests after conquests, the weak joining him with the hope of becoming strong...But one day he would run out of enemies to hunt. And then the Catastrophe would happen, the Mouth would turn on his own, his hunger for strong enemies to devour only satisfied by those he had raised to strength.And this is when the Emperor arrived.Saving his Son from the hate of his fellows, the first thing that could calm his hunger.The Mouth would pledge allegiance to the Emperor if he promised him new grounds to hunt and new enemies to devour.The Emperor seeing his son achievements would gladly oblige.
>>34446143How can you accept what you cannot hear?How can you accept an apology from someone who does not exist?
>>34446143Do the Entombed blame the other loyalists on Isstvan V for crippling their Primarch like the IHs blame the Sallies and Ravens for failing them on Isstvan V?
>>34446018See the Gorges.>>34446169They fit what being aligned to Khorne means without being the equivalent of "Endlessly raging Berzekers".They fit better than "FIRE! FIRE!!!"
>>34446195Only the War Scribes.
>>34445783Half my boys went over to the traitors, if that counts.
So guys, Im trying to figure out where Octullus should fit into with the other legions, and how he would interact after the heresy, assuming he makes it. How would the other legions feel
So I guess my Legion just roams the Formless Wastes not really do anything. I imagine the Gods don't like my legion, but just use them as work mules to punish each others Legions when they get to headstrong or do something to piss a God off. So we're shitty Chaos Minotaurs? I guess?On a side note if your good with names, for the love of Malal please come up with something better then "Battle Rams"
>>34446169See i'm down with that You'd naturally hate the Sons of Fire because you compete for Khornes favour and disagree on how best to serve him.Welcome to the maybe call The Mouth the Maw though? The Mouth does sound a bit odd. And the Legion the GorgeRs so as not to be confused with the geographical meaning. But thats great - add it to the list on the wiki.,>>34446065So long as the Children were involved, I'm cool with whatever. Arelex is too important to the Childrens interests for them to ignore him.
>>34445783The Emperors Eyes were originally traitors, but then betrayed them after seeing the fate of their allegiance to the Chaos Gods.
>>34446065if its good for you, it's good for us!
Lokking at the wiki, what happened to the Dragon Riders/X-mas Rangers?
>>34442576>There are rumors that during the darkest days of the Heresy, not even the Steel Marshall's were immune to the taint that Hektor has spread so far. A company of Steel Marshall's, the Umbral Blades, were in the thick of fighting traitorous brethren on some long dead world. The Steel Marshall's present, led by the now thrice-cursed Death-Knight Ghalahad Avent, were outnumbered by a contingent of Silver Spears, who danced in the combat and delighted in the pain they caused. So enraged was Ghalahad that he swore that no Silver Spear would best him, and against reason called for any power to guide his blade. The Blood God answered his plea, empowering him and his now fallen brothers to slay the Silver Spears. Their martial prowess enhanced with the Blood God's favour, the heretics pushed the Silver Spears off the planet and used the skulls of the fallen (friend or foe) to build a pyramid as tribute to the Blood God. After the battle, they fled the system, word of their treachery soon reaching their Primarch. Embodying the martial honor aspect of Khorne, the Blood Knights are a mockery of their Primarch's roots and a stain upon the Legion's honor.Idea I had for a small amount of Steel Marshall Traitors. Yes no?
>>34446294Yeah, that's fine. It's as good a way as any to show how the Scribes often choose their friends poorly.>>34446299In that case, it's canon.
>>34446172I am now imagining Galilei delivering his apology in person and getting that as a response - actually a huge sign of respect, all things considered.That would send his successor chapter off Orannis' apparent ideal that the Imperium can work if we all just pull together - because, really, we can't. Hmm.
>>34446222The Sons of Fire aren't just "FIRE! FIRE!!!". They're about purging, cleansing worlds to the crust, and they have a berserk desire within them to just burn everything, including themselves. Indeed, their version of the 'Red Butchers' are the 'Igniax Terminators', who have burned themselves down to a point where their faces are almost skeltal, and who bathe themselves in Ashes and probably do that cannibalism thing you talked about as well.The World Eaters have a madness for blood within them. The sons of fire have a madness for fire within them, and as the heresy goes on, their disciplined side fades away as they delight in just burning everything and giving khorne mountains of ash-blasted skulls.
>>34446294The Maw sounds too beastly, he is supposed to hunt the beasts, would be weird if people dubbed him the same as a beast. Mouth sounds more human, plus it emphasizes his mutation, his mouth, extensible and incredibly strong, ect...>>34446169Now for the name I'm stuck.I was thinking about something French, insinuating that he enjoy his food...
>>34446303The green dragons were the xmas rangers. but the guy hasnt been around since he did his intro so we might as well cut them
>>34446357> they are disciplined and then they become not!disciplined.Doing the same thing as > they use flamers BUT they use axes?To put it simply so you might understand, what's the focus here? The Flamers or the Axes?
>>34446357If anything fire screams Tzeentch to me...What about making them about burning books, burning knowledge...Nevermind they would need psykers to do that but they use flamers only.... too bad.
>>34446357An obsession with shedding blood is very Khornate.An obsession with pyromania sounds more Slanneshi to me, personally. Khorne has the monopoly on obsessions with war, blood, slaughter, etc, but Slannesh has all the rest, I'm pretty sure.
>>34446291the horns of x (Skarradon, Vexis, etc)the Sanguine Rams?the Blood RamsRams of Cordon etc?Battering Rams?Blood Hornsminotaurs,,,,, ? lol the Ram Bows hehe>>34446420why not both?both require you to be close, and you do need a ranged weapon. why not both? Marines can fire bolters one handed with ccw's why not flamers too?
>>34446466>war, blood, slaughter, etcThese are things the Sons of Fire are all about.
>>34446291>legion led by possessedThat sounds more like a heavy spearhead for demon warhosts. They create a breach in realspace, demons come out and that's when the actual attack begins. Battle Rams warbands tend to be small, but give them a chance to open a Warp portal and you might as well start writing the petition to reclassify the planet as a Demon World. Essentially Word Bearer tactics, heavy use of demons and possessed, non-possessed marines worshiping Chaos hoping to become possessed.
>>34446481Horns of X or Blood Rams, IMO
>>34446420Axe-Flamers.The focus would be on the desire to just burn everything, and how that ends up being twisted to burning everything as a sacrifice for Khorne.Khorne's realm is one of fire and blood. Fire is one of his elements.>>34446444Tzeentch is about change, and schemes. And they don't care for burning books or burning knowledge. Just burning everything.>>34446466Fire can be slaughter, can be boiling blood, can be war. How many talk about 'The Fires of War'?Nice quads, by the way.
Right I'm going bed cause it's almost 2am here. Don't get rid of my legion or I'll knife you.
>>34446291Ravagers?Space Rams?Void Rams?Astral Rams?Murder Rams?The Herd?Sons of Kranios?Ramesses II?Death Rams?Blood Rams?Rams of Blood?Goatboys?Color? RamsCrimson RamsBlack ramsSo these are all shit so I looked at rams in latin which is aries. Which comes from aris meaning altar. Cause gutting rams makes gods happy.Astral Aries Blood AriesDark Ariesfuck it man. I dunno how to make rams good.
>>34446536Same - goodnight guys
>>34446536Your Legion is the Legion of the Warmaster. You're the most vital of all. You're not going anywhere.
So the Crusaders are now contributing to the Codex Astartes now?
>>34446481Horned Warriors?Horns of Kranos?
>>34446517The wiki says they are utilitarians, which is kinda not Khorne at all... plus not they are about burning everything when not too long ago they were 'disciplined'.And now Khorne is going to end gorging on Ashes instead of Blood....Yeaaaahhhh..... You are trying too hard to make this work.
Reminder to put as much info as you can under your Legion on 1d4chan
Any one think of a Good place for my Primarch to actually die? I Was thinking either the Siege of Terra or on Mars. Could one of the Traitor Primarchs possibly killing him, kind of linking him to Ferrus Manus?
>>34446624Well, he needs to pick a direction and focus on it, is the problem. That'll remove a lot of the confusing conflicts.
>>34445632I've been trying to get to a computer for a day now, and I'm kinda bummed you guys ran through so many threads so fast while I was away.Primarch Rook North is one of the few Primarchs with a sense of humor. He's an adamant believer of Mind over Body and this shows in his fighting style. He is a skinnier Primarch (in comparison) and his children share the same physique.The Nova Defenders are a legion dedicated to defensive combat on the field as opposed to fortifications like the Imperial fists. They use Land Raiders, and custom Riot Shields to create blockades and slowly advance on the enemy. Their entire existence is wrapped up in defending a relic known as the Lighthouse (secretly a warp gate, and almost a direct link to Terra) from all who try to claim it. Upon first being deployed to their oceanic home world they faced two Tyranid hive fleets, and received grievous casualties, nearly cutting their forces in half. This battle is known as The Battle of the First Night.They never quite returned to full strength and are forever a small legion, although they never suffered a blow quite like the first night. They defend the Lighthouse from the Tyranids which are drawn to it, and have begun adapting their fighting style to combat their favored enemy.When the Horus Heresy began, they tried to avoid conflict for as long as possible. North did not like the idea of a civil war and wanted no part of it. That is until his sons cried out to assist their Brothers, the Imperial Fists. North fought alongside Dorn, and the Nova Defenders were regarded as Imperial from that point on. However Russ has his suspicions, since it took North so long to pick a side.Pic related is a standard Nova Defender.(cont.)
>>34446624It works, you're just trying very hard to make it not work.This is our own heresy, we don't need another clone of the World Eaters who are all about skills and blood.What's wrong with serving Khorne by purging with fire? Why must ot always be chainaxes and blades? Does he care how skulls are delivered to him?
>>34446657This is no Horus Heresy. There is no Horus. There is Hektor, the Arch Traaitor, Inferox the Burned King, and many others.
>>34446655And he would be in a way easier spot if he didn't to have to make it a Khorne Legion at any price.He would then be able to focus on that Fire theme, that plus the -> interesting <- dichotomy between discipline and flame could be used and harnessed.But hey...
>>34446703Last time I was in the thread we we just adding more legions to cannon, becuase missing primarchs. Anyone want to give me the short version of what I missed?
>>34446712>the -> interesting <- dichotomy between discipline and flame could be used and harnessed.Sounds pretty khornate to me
>>34446712I though the lack of discipline was kind of the point there. Fire can't be controlled, it burns and destroys everything it touches, and the Sons of Fire act the same.
>>34446776Now you are just trying to rustle my jimmies.
>>34446798I thought the lack of discipline came with the fall to Khorne. That Khorne caused them to become unbound fire that burned all.
>>34446798They don't, they are utilitarians and disciplined.They become undisciplined through the heresy because their creator noticed that they couldn't really be about discipline and Khorne. Sole reason.
>>34446771Thread legions are the only legions, we've replaced the canon legions entirely. Some legions have filled canon roles, like the Scions primarch defending the emperor as Sanguinius did (and being crippled and put in stasis like rowboat was.) Other Legions are doing new stuff.
>>34446835I never said they were Utilitarian, That was the fluff compiler. To me, they were about fire. There's not much utility in fire.And I had them trying to mask and control their pyromania before the Heresy, like the World Eaters tried to suppress their Blood Lust.
Black Augurs are back after a short hiatus. Any new developments that I should be notified about?
>>34446882Mask their pyromania through their discipline.And now they are just pyromaniacs.No longer cold, no longer calm, and ruthless (after all those kinda go hand to hand with military discipline).Again you are just making it harder for you.Would be -> liberating <- if you weren't tied to making them a Khornate legion.
>>34446333OK. So after the events of >>34445399, pulling himself together, and attempting to make good with Golgothos only to be told >>34446172, Galilei has drawn definite conclusions. The Imperium's basic flaw is the flawed nature of mankind. Even with the Emperor at its head, a relatively free and open society only invited ambition and treachery. He greets the Inquisition like a long-lost friend and sets the Knights Draconian on an unending crusade.Of course, Galilei is still Orannis' son. He has that knack for understanding patterns in the data and tendency to ignore the feelings of people. That makes the Knights Draconian the chapter of the pre-emptive strike and deeply, deeply unpopular - basically the only imperial institution that has time for them are the Inquisition, but that's more than enough. The typical Knight Draconian says little but gladly expresses himself in writing. Their tactics are Codex-compliant although slightly skewed due to being fleet-based and typically deployed in orbital drops. The Chapter has a reputation for poor siegeworks.Arelex Orannis, do you want to veto any of this?
>>34446929I don't understand how BURN, KILL, MAIM isn't khornate
>>34446929I always saw them as a Khrone Legion, from the get-go. That's who they are, who they fell to, and who they serve. They are the Fire's of Khorne's hatred, the all consuming Inferno of his Realm made manifest.
>>34446979>>34446998All good.Khorne's favorite legion will provide him Ashes for all of eternity. Fitting.
>>34446844So just disregard my last paragraph then?>>34446657Nova Defender sergeants can be identified by white helmets, and captains by orange (pic related). The Nova Defenders are also home to a unique unit known as a Blockade Marine. They have black helmets and carry large Riot Shields. They usually deploy with the assault squads, but prove useful just about anywhere on the battle field.Nova Defenders take after their primarch in appearance, and have gaunt facial features. Defined cheekbones, sunken eyes, and thin faces. They have tan Caucasian skin, similar to Italians, and they usually have brown wavy or curly hair.Legion culture heavily surrounds the relic they guard. They talk about it like it is a beacon for all the good in the universe.
>>34446970Sounds all right. I'm sure Johannes would tell himself that he's seen what Arelex failed to understand, the fact that humanity is incapable of working together because of its clashing ambitions and goals. The other successors of the War Scribes probably wouldn't like the Knights Draconian all that much, but in a universe where the Admech wishes to erase Arelex's legacy from the galaxy, better a black sheep than no brothers at all. Who knows, perhaps the Knights will uncover something after all. Arelex would have supported exploration in all its forms, even those that seem strange or incorrect. Bear in mind though, that the Admech will probably want your Chapter as dead as all the others who carry Arelex's gene-seed. Tread carefully.
Anyone want to help me with some fluff. im not too good with fluffing things.
>>34446970I suppose the Eyes of the Emperor would also be very intrested with knocking off your chapter master, as he wishes to expose the Admech conspiracy, and my legion has incredibly close ties to the Ad mech (The Ad Mech is really the only reason they weren't declared Heretics after the heresy due to them saving Mars)
Hey guys, including the Nova Defenders, that's 16 loyalists to 12 traitors, so it's a little bit onesided
>>34447162I am still waiting for a volunteer to step up to be my general nemesis, a legion who attacked my homeworld during the Betrayal.
>>34447231I could possibly do that, and that be the place where the Eyes of the Emperor decided to turn against the Traitors
>>34447228If we're still doing this tomorrow, I'll make a traitor legion too. Assuming we don't have more legions by then.Then again, the Traitors are super sneaky, maybe they SHOULD be outnumbered?
>>34447162I'd also be happy to help you
>>34447244This was pre-heresy.It was the move that ultimately led to their turning.
Did anyone save my actual legion post? i cant seem to find the one i saved.
>>34447274If we really need to I can make a traitor legion as well, but I'd rather give other anons the opportunity before any of us make two.
>>34447293Ah I see, your looking for somes ones wolves to your prospero
>>34447131I think Johannes really admired Arelex, and he's not angrily striking out against his "father". His critique of the Istvaan V campaign was meant to move the War Scribes forward, but the Primarch was busy with the AdMech and never really replied. So, at least for the Knights Draconian, they might see themselves as the rightful inheritors of Arelex's mission.>>34447210I think Johannes dies pretty soon after the Second Founding, which only makes the Knights Draconian more extremist. The Eyes being responsible would turn that up to 12.
>>34447274Well, we do have 26 Legions at this time. That's kind of a strange number, although having a 13/13 split is kinda cool for the numerology aspects of 13. We could go for 30 Legions, perhaps.And nothing says we have to have a half and half split. Some Legions might have simply been ground down and destroyed *during* the Crusade, others might have been Missing Legionned. In this case, we'd know the nature of those Missing Legions, which might be cool. It would also be easier to add in 4 more Legions, if we knew that they were destined to be annihilated and removed from the canon. Might even be a fun experiment for people, to know before you start writing that you're signing up to be BLAMMED.
>>34447353That I am sir, that I am.
>>34447379That's workable, too. It'll cause friction with the other successors, but hey, someone's gotta try to be the best kid.
>>34447379That sounds like something they would do. The Ad Mech tells them that Johannes has been acting hectically and building new and dangerous prototypes of technology that could destroy the Imperium. Scared of what could happen, some "Ork" Snipers kill Johannes, and the Eyes of the Emperor walk/drive away in some new land raiders and relic Terminator armor, along with a new battle barge, curtesy of the Ad Mech. Also fits with the Paranoia aspect as well
>>34446657>When the Horus Heresy began, they tried to avoid conflict for as long as possible. North did not like the idea of a civil war and wanted no part of it. That is until his sons cried out to assist their Brothers, the Imperial Fists. North fought alongside Dorn, and the Nova Defenders were regarded as Imperial from that point on. However Russ has his suspicions, since it took North so long to pick a side.Since there is no Imperial Fists, I need someone else to play the roll as my Primarchs friend, and my legions close ally, in order to swing the Nova Defenders to the loyalist side. I looked through the loyal chapters and the Scions of Europa seem pretty perfect, considering they're tactical and Greco-Roman inspired. Is than anon still here?
>tfw no friends
>>34447593hey, at least you get remembered
Ok. So I've gone over all the lore so far and it seems solid but I feel like my Augurs and I are about as useless as the Raven Guard. Does anyone have a need for a villain in any of their loyalist backgrounds? I'd be more than willing to antagonize.
>>34447593>>34447498>Close Combat siege specialistsOur chapters would work well together, you want to be my reason to join the loyalists?
Thinking Nathanog as the name for the Primarch of the Gorges. But it kinda fails on the Epic part, any suggestions?
>>34447471All the more amusing because the Knights Draconian are in some ways Not!Black Templars - probably not what Arelex had in mind! But lots of Successor chapters say that they're really the ones who are the legitimate heirs.>>34447492Done deal. The Knights Draconian have been taking revenge under the cover of their general spread of mayhem ever since.>>34447498Scions are already doing a lot in the fluff. You might want to pick a less "busy" legion.
>>34447682I picked up on that after posting.
>>34442576Whose character here would have some affection for a Primarch whose more of a simple kind of guy, no interest in artistry or intrigue? I have a feeling all these manipulators on the Chaos end of things are going to dislike him for not being up to speed or being to plain him but all the close combat warrior guys are going to be a bit more lenient on that.
>>34447629You could develop more of how you rekt the Machine Guard and/or War Scribes on Istvaan V. At the moment, the story there is mainly The Entombed getting blown up by the Lifebringers.
>>34447642Sure! We can bro it up during the Greatest Crusade. My guys are pretty much Blood and Iron, but maybe more Middle-Eastern than German, not quite sure on that yet. Might have themes from both to reflect different cultures in the legion.I am planning on my Primarch to die, by the way. Not sure how, maybe at Terra or something?
>>34447747Roman could have been killed by Sebastian Rex as part of The Crucible. Seeing as the Nova Defenders weren't there, it could be a big thing for Rook North.
>>34447715Well, my guy appreciates a drama-free life. Partly because he's really shitty at telling the difference between lies and truth, and partly because once he trusts someone, it's really hard for him to let go that trust.So when Arelex finds someone who's actually an honest friend, it's one of the few things that he'll give a shit about beyond hunting relics, looking for ancient lore, and trying to plan the Great Crusade/Imperium's overall strategy.
>>34447789>Kranios seems like a trustworthy fellow... damn it, Arelex.(This is good, though, go with it.)
>>34447786>Roman could have been killed by Sebastian Rex as part of The Crucible. Seeing as the Nova Defenders weren't there, it could be a big thing for Rook North.I like this. Rook could then swing way into the loyalist side trying to find retribution, and die because he wasn't thinking straight for the first time in his life.
>>34447786Oh that sounds cool. RIP my primarch.You weren't there, Rook. YOU WEREN'T THERE.
>>34447789It sounds like we could be good friends, seekers of knowledge and the like.So...who is the most likely to be the ones to have been dragged into the Betrayal?
>>34447717Two legions for the price of one? That sounds like a good time. I think the Machine Guard wouldn't do so well with my legion dropping down literally on top of their vehicles. The War Scribes likewise wouldn't fair so well with being ambushed out of no where from several directions due to them being so based on preplanned tactics and logic. Their Primarchs should hop in here so we can establish the exact fluff of it.
>>34447889Also is there a Fulgrim vs Ferrus Manus type of thing already? A primarch killing another primarch in personal combat during the Dropsite Massacre?
>>34447970I guess my guy could probably be told to kill a Primarch for being a horrible guy, and if the guy seemed like a big enough ass, even if he was loyalist, he probably wouldn't question it.Anyone's Primarch got an attitude problem?
>>34447889Being ambushed is like the worst thing for my Legion, short of being overwhelmed by Chaos magic and what not. Also, Arelex wouldn't deal well with being betrayed, that would wound him very deeply on a personal level. A lot of the War Scribes survival would come down to their exceptional equipment, not their fighting skill. Seeing their Primarch come close to a mental breakdown would severely demoralize them, and they'd essentially try to grab Arelex, blast their way out, and GTFO on their best ship. Come to think of it, they might have been the ones to tell the Emperor of the disaster in person, seeking him to help rebuild their worldview. After the Isstvan Massacre, the War Scribes would become almost pathologically uncaring of civilian casualties. Anything they have from the Dark Age that says "Danger: Do not point at planets", they're going to drag out and wield indiscriminately. It would probably fall to another Primarch to get Arelex to come out of Exterminatus-mode. Once they do, he'd pull a Corvus Corax, retreating to his home base to regather the scattered relic-hunter squads, and desperately try to put something resembling a Legion back together. >>34447856You mean, which one of us dragged the other into something? I'm not quite sure what you mean. And yeah, we might have been friends... for a time.
>>34448087being ambushed is the worst thing for any legion. thats a pussy way to fight.
>>34448129Not honorable, perhaps, but effective.
>>34448087Simply put.Xenos Betrayed Aubrey.Aubrey sought out another Primarch and told him.Primarch went to Zealots world.Zealots were lied to and communications intercepted from Aubrey.Astartes on Astartes ground war errupts.Uriel and Aubrey come back to the world to see a third of his forces destroyed in the betrayal and miscommunication.Aubrey is pissed at the Primarch.I would love to write up that conversation afterwards.
>>34448226Is this the 'Night of the Wolf' analogue? As there was no lost Primarchs here, or any great war before the corruption of Hektor.
>>34448255Rather a less tragic Prospero, brought on by Uriels manipulations.
>>34448087I've added the Knights Draconian as a "Notable Successor" to the War Scribes, amend/expand/delete as suits. Feel free to have Johannes propose the Full Exterminatus plan, if it helps to have Arelex going along with something stupid rather than come up with it.
>>34448087Flawless. Maybe by the time of the dropsite massacre my legion has gotten it's hands on a few Eldar weapons. Whole new levels of confusion bring completely unknown weapons to the field. Would that make our legions arch-nemeses now? The careful strategists versus the jack in the box ambushers? That's an interesting dynamic, constantly forcing your legion to think out of the box.
>>34448303But this happens well before the corruption of Hektor and the start of the wider Heresy, right?
>>34448332Visios!My trusted ally and friend!>>34448349Yes, this is what pushed Aubrey into Uriels hands and where he manipulated him to turn them to Chaos.
>>34448087I'm wondering if perhaps my Legion's homeworld might have been destroyed in a manner similar to Prospero, but instead of the Wolves, it was the Admech taking advantage of carefully edited commands from the Emperor regarding the sudden appearance of a lot of dead planets in his Legion's wake. The Emperor wanted Arelex to pull back and rejoin the defense closer to Terra, but Arelex was too busy going apeshit on everything that even remotely looked like betrayal of the Imperium, so the Emperor told someone to go reel him in. The Mechanicus intercept the message so it's never delivered, forge the Emperor's signature, and take a couple Titan Legions and an assload of Skitarii to go wipe the War Scribes from existence. It doesn't succeed, because reasons, but their homeworld is destroyed and they're forced to become fleet-based, riding around in presumably some big, Dark Age relic vessel. The battle is apocalyptic in the most literal sense, epitomizing everything terrible about total war, backed up by the deadliest weapons humanity has available, because the War Scribes have nothing to lose, and the Mechanicus has everything to gain, and neither side is going to hold back. Thoughts? Too melodramatic, or is this ok?
>>34448332As a Second Founding bonus: the Knights Draconian are War Scribes successors who have adopted a drop-based style of warfighting themselves. No doubt the Black Augurs enjoy taunting the KD about this!
>>34448332Yeah, there's definitely echoes of Alpha Legion vs Ultramarines there. I could live with that.
>>34448403Grimdark/10, love it
>>34448403I'm down. Makes Johannes' claim to be keeping it real that much more plausible.
>>34448332May I get your opinion on this?
>>34448389Aubrey! It's been too long.It seems like a lot a of the traitor legions aren't actually chaos aligned. Do they become chaos aligned farther down the road or is this whole universe a lot less chaosy? How does Hektor himself get fully turned into a servant of the Chaotic Powers? These are the things that confuse me. Does anyone have an explanation?
>>34448332>>34448463http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_Heresy#Cult_Of_the_JuggernautForgot the link.
>>34448480We have a Legion for each of the four gods, and the Zealots and Sons of Hektor as well.
>>34448480I do believe I turn him.I believe that I turned him, after using my healing magicks to plant the seed of corruption within him, when all seems lost, they bring in the Medic, Aubrey.I also seem to the be the Arch Traitor, as the Children of Armok pushed us to Chaos, before we began spreading its influence, sorcery and such things...so how did you turn?
>>34448480I think eventually we may want more of the Traitor Legions to turn to full Chaos worship, since there's a good number more than there are in canon, at least 4 or 5 extra.Also, nothing says they have to be evenly balanced between the gods. Chaos isn't fair, after all, and the gods always need new things to fight about, like who has more toys.
>>34448534So was Hektor turned on Davin? Wounded by the Anatheme, and Aubrey was called in to save him?
Visios.He is named like this because he has visions or because you have no imagination whatsoever?
>>34448606I would say that is so, after all, who better to call the Primarch of the most medically equipped Legion, when there had been whisperings of him mastering arcane magic that could heal the sickest of men.Who better?
>>34448534You need to correct where your Legion stand in the wiki, it seems like you put it on the Traitor side when it's a loyalist legion...
>>34448084Maybe Kranios killed Rook North after >>34447837? It would kinda fit to have the two of them end up in a duel.Speaking of killing Primarchs - who pulls things together for the Nova Defenders? Who gets to utter the Steel Marshall's catchphrase in >>34447839?
>>34448484That sounds like sick shit Aubrey. I think a thunderous charge of chaotic mechanical centaurs is a fucking kickass idea and khorne always needs more demon engines. It's something that feels both incredibly 40k-y and hasn't been done before.>>34448499Ah alright. It just seemed like a lot were kinda middling about it when I surveyed the list.>>34448534Hektor was shown dark secrets of some of his legions to try and turn them. He revealed to me that he knew of my dealings with Eldar and how I'd stewarded some of them out of the way of the crusades. He also claimed that the empire would continue to house regular humans forever and that the Emperor didn't want to alter them as he had altered the Space Marines. This put me at great unease because I've always considered baseline humans inferior and that we should always strive for perfection (in my mind basically a mix between an Eldar and a Primarch.) So I left because I thought I would be rejected and the empire would stagnate as a bunch of unevolved savages.(I'm trying to a push a major flaw for my legion here as being really elitist because they felt Mary-Sue-y)
>>34448629Has visions. I'm probably gonna change the name. I just wanted to have a name like all the cool well fleshed out Primarchs
>>34448534They are zealots and they heal.Kinda... weird.What's more about them?
>>34448650>highly resistant to physical trama vs the physically weakest primarchgg errybodyRook is ded.
Do we need a New Thread?
>>34448714I suggested it because Rook has a sense of humour and maybe joked around with Kranios. But poor old K didn't quite get the jokes and always thought Rook was laughing at him (rather than with him). Murdering one of his brothers would open up Kranios to demonic possession, right?
>>34448652They duel people instead of tricking, and that to gain the favor of... TZEENTCH??And they heal? And they have Xenos (I'm SURE the Emperor would have been okay with that :) :D :P )? And they heal.If anything you need to either cut on the whole healing or the whole Xenos thing, feels like a mess right now. If the Xenos are important, make the Legion about openess to knowledge and cut the healing crap, if it is about healing have them be dedicated to Nurgle.Right now this Legion is a mess.
>>34448736Yeah probably>>34448764Yeah probably
>>34448764Fair enough, I'm ok with it. Sarcastic til the end.
>>34448780I thought they were Undivided.
>>34448780Wait who are you talking to?I'm honestly confused right now dude.
>>34448810I have no idea what they are since a couple paragraphs later you read that they fall to... KHORNE.Like really???>>34448828I'm talking about the Eternal Zealots.
Shitty writefaggortry inbound. I have not forgotten you Stone men. (You don't appear in the table on 1d4chan though.)Valdiron stood with his honour guard, his armour's shine dulled by the weak dust storm all around him. He held his scimitar aloft. As first captain of the Argent Legion it was his duty now. He looked to his primarch Malphas his silent daemonic form immobile. So changed. Greater yet lesser. ++Enemies in range lord++The Stone Men had reached the precipice. Valdiron dropped his arm, his scimitar cutting the air.++Execute++ he ordered.As one the Argent Legion reveled themselves and opened fire. Malphas took off in a sprint, his chrome form reflecting the battle around them. Valdiron ordered his armoured reserves to encircle the Stone Men formation. He watched as Malphas crashed into their lines and cut down scores of them, quickly outdistancing his own legion, searching for his brother.+++“For the Emperor!”He cursed, how long had he been transfixed on his primarch, only for the Stone men's own genesire to be before him. His squad barely had time to react as they melta struck them. Power fists crushed them. The Stone Men's primarch took Valdiron in his enormous fist and crushed him slowly, before tossing him aside like an Adminstratum reciept. Maimed, Valdiron watched as the Stone men broke through his lines. As his life ebbed away he could only think of how he had failed. His last vision was the reflective glare of Malphas giving chase.
>>34448828And of course I linked the wrong post.Sorry about that, those posts were not targeted toward you.
>>34448652Thank you, I do try.I believe we share the same vision of a perfect Imperium, where men and xenos live in a perfect society.>>34448697They were based on the Order of Saint Lazarus, a crusader order with the purpose of to uphold and defend the Christian faith, to assist and help the sick and vulnerable, in their words.I moved from there and added the question, what if a Primarch landed on a Xenos world.The men heal very fast, all Sargents are trained by an apothecary.They also were inspired by the interex with their centaur like suits, equipping it with a pair of heavy weapons, turning their slow devastators into swift heavy support.They also use a Xenos Auxiliary, which when Aubrey was born, he was allowed only into the lowest caste of the race, the doctors and medicine men and made his way to the top caste, the warriors, becoming a general and remembering the little people who helped him make his way up.So, they rush to the front, with modified rhinos and land raiders that act as mobile hospitals, to get to the wounded and fight the enemy.
>>34448846From what I can tell, the Zealots were Xenos-Friendly, but then a betrayal happened to them. So they found a bunch of Chaos-Xenos, and were turned that way.
We need to hammer out a timeline, who was where, and what they were doing when.I'll start it next thread.
>>34448789Also, I was checking the backstory and I think you have the Tyrannids turning up too early. The thing about the Nova Defenders ending up on the front line against the hive fleets is sweet, but that would only mean they're beat up for the 40k period.And actually, there are a lot of Legions that are screwed and depleted, so maybe the Nova Defenders are relatively OK, just missing their Primarch at the end of it? You could amp that up by having their main showdown with the Rams of Slaughter defined by Rook baiting Kranios - yeah, he knows he's going to die, but that's a sacrifice that Rook is willing to make.
>>34448866Waaaayyy too many things in one Legion.You have the whole "Black Templar" cato-crusaders feels.Coupled with "We are Xenos-influenced and Xenos-friendly".Coupled with "Somehow the Xenos influenced with the concept of the Centaur, a human concept."Coupled with "We heal and do something that directly belong to Nurgle's domain"Again, its a mess, you are going everywhere with this.Oh and of course those aliens get to corrupt Hektor....Every-freaking-where.
>>34448780>>34448874>>34448866Correction to last post "Landed" on the planet.The Tzeentchian situation came from some fluff I have yet to write down.After said betrayal he sought to experiment with more weird healing techniques, sorcery and the like.He was pushed into Chaos worship and so he sought knowledge from Tzeentch.Nurgle is the anti-thesis of everything his chapter stands for, rot and decay is not his bag.
>>34448961Oh and now they dabble with Psykers too.............You know what, at this point we only need to have your Legion to represent the Traitor side.Also, Nurgle is also the patron of rebirth and healing. He is about the cycle <--- life to death, death to life, in an entropic descent, but still a cycle, and still healing.
New Thread Here:>>34449065
>>34448933Templar Crusade feel.Once again, they are based from Order of Saint Lazarus, they storm the fronts because it is the easiest way tot he wounded, make themselves the targets.The Centaur thing, have you read Horus Rising, look up the Interex, the fact a civilsation existed where humans and xenos lived together would already interest a xenos friendly primarch.The aliens do not get to corrupt hektor, Aubrey uses sorcery much like what happened to Horus on Davin, it is an odd coincidence as I was picked to be the Arch Traitor.
>>34448915>I think you have the Tyrannids turning up too earlyI didn't even think about that. >You could amp that up by having their main showdown with the Rams of Slaughter defined by Rook baiting Kranios - yeah, he knows he's going to die, but that's a sacrifice that Rook is willing to make.I actually really like this. The Rams would have probably put a large dent in Nova forces though. That's a pretty gnarly legion for us to fight.One condition. I don't want to die without leaving some sort of mark. Maybe a scar on Kranios somewhere? This is more between he and I.
>>34449075The Aliens show them the path, but they themselves decide to embrace Chaos.
Thinking of rebooting my guy to a much more Rip and Tear, but with buildings kind of thing. Less of a thoughtless guy but still way to blunt and straightforward. If he's not into Chaos why would he be so prone to possession? Just a dislike for cities and technology that doesn't involve breaking things.Does Chaos have a Siege Legion?How does Horns of Ruin sound for a Legion name? I think it's much better.
>>34449028I will give you that one, I need to brush up on my Nurgle.When this was created he was meant to be on the loyalist side however I kind of got stuck with traitor, in that train of thought, Librarians were going to be more focused on defence, shields of energy, healing, that sort of thing.But, just because war is Khornes domain, does not mean he is the only one who goes to war.Tzeentch is not the only one to have sorcerers. Healers dedicated to Tzeentch is not necessarily bad.Undivided would probably work better, other than the Cult of the Juggernaut.
>>34449075I fully understand they are based on the Order of Saint Lazarus.What YOU don't understand is that you are losing the focus of this legion because of that alien thing, and now that alien thing happen to be important because they set the heresy into motion.You should have focused your Legion on the whole healing and battle-crusader, Hospitaliers, feel and left the Alien thing to a legion properly aligned with Tzeenth and one that would use their thrist for knowledge as an excuse for their acceptance.Again your Legion seems like a mismatch.
>>34449174You need to change that name,Kranios -> Cranial -> Headbutts -> RamsWay too scripted, people will roll up their eyes to the back of their heads when they will see that name.
>>34449174I have suggestions about Kranios and co in the new thread, at >>34449268
>>34449264Listen man I am aware of that. But at the same time in the official setting.Iron Hands has Iron Hands and leads a Legion called the Iron HandsSkull can a have legion of Rams that head butt buildings, and no ones going to notice because they're going to be busy trying to understand all the crap the Xenos/Chaos/Knights of Lazarus shit the Zealots guy is trying to pull.Forget you and I'm making Siege Masters
>>34449347>because they're going to be busy trying to understand all the crap the Xenos/Chaos/Knights of Lazarus shit the Zealots guy is trying to pull.On this one we are in agreement.Anyway, I guess it won't kill to have straightforward Legion.What about giving him a name like "Head-Butt", "Strong-Face", ect... would make it simple and would make it sophistaticated in that the lack nof complexity is an assumed aspect of the Primarch and his Legion.
>>34442576I posted most of the fluff behind my Primarch and Legion. Let me know if any of it is nonsensical, or doesn't flow properly.
>>34449228True, two legions could be formed.I think it would be best to pull out the Tzeentch worship in favour of an undivided approach.Healing Crusaders backed by Xenos.I mean, a lot of the stuff could be pulled, but ultimately it would end up with a bland loyalist legion [which we have too many of.] and a xenos loving sorcerors legion. [Which we already have our thousands styled legion]You could say give the crusaders to nurgle, but that would make them too slow, Nurgle armies aren't known for their swift nature.Right, re-fluffing.Pulling the solely Tzeetch shit.Undivided Healing Crusaders who are friendly to Xenos.I'd rather use friendly relations then lose it entirely, he doesn't use them in auxiliaries but allies with them.Probably due to the betrayal, doesn't want that shit to happen again.
>>34449611Infact, fuck the Xenos.Non-Chaos ones at least.Like I said, I wrote this originally loyalist.They now live on the planet that the chaos xenos are, however, doesn't bother with them in battle.
>>34449611Also I just noticed, you have some competition in the healing/hospitalier thing as the Life Bringers are essentially the definition of Chaos healers.And they are aligned to Nurgle.If anything you might be better off going the Alien route, seems it seems to be deeply engrained in the story anyway.
>>34449674Hmn, true.So, Use xenos.Undivided Close Combat specialists.After the heresy, they don't bother with traditional healing any more, leaving it to sorcerers, not enough time to chop and heal people anymore.