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OPENING
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F468us4qCUE

Previously: Cerulean arrived upon a mysterious island after a mission to rescue shipwrecked personnel had gone awry due to mysterious humanoid monsters.

Meeting the natives, Cerulean found aid in the form of a humanoid monster by the name of Kurojo, a tusked Kahkori of Kakarkiko island.

With his and his uncle's help, she had been reunited with Marine, her friend from training and childhood.

After killing a fierce foe reviled by Kahkori, Cerulean fell ill, and was given a cure by Kurojo. In the village, she learned of a strange ability and found herself able to utilize "Aura."

Journeying with Kurojo, Cerulean and Marine make it to the joint city of races amongst the island chain. It is there in Raguna city that she fights to the death with a rambunctious Smolderan.
Slipping out of her right mind, she executes her foe with absolute certainty, earning her some recognition with a Smolderan leader and the right to engage in a hunting exam at his request.

Cerulran takes a test with another species known as the Araraki, an infallibly polite and timid representative of her people.
Upon completing the hunt, they are put through a naming ceremony and engage in some festivities, taking a somewhat heavier turn as Akabaron, Vi-Smohkan of the Smolderan, goes over his deal with Cerulean.

A ship made through the efforts of the three great races...


Known characters
>http://pastebin.com/k2xnqqvB

Monster Index
>http://pastebin.com/wxwgrCqb

Character Sheet
>http://pastebin.com/7CJx3gq1

Twitter:
>https://twitter.com/AoPHquest

Lore
>http://pastebin.com/vy0a6Z9r
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>>33757139
>Season Finale

Ah well, its been fun.
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Cannons erupt from the broadside of the ship, the shells delivering a punishing payload that forces the beast's beam up, grazing over the deck and through one of the masts on the forward deck, The entire sail comes down onto the ship with a slow fall like a lumberjack's tree. Onto the deck it falls, and the residual beam singes the air with electricity, causing those caught in range to suffer severe electrical birds. The screaming of Khakori can be heard even from your end of the ship down in the mid.

The smolders manning the cannon below deck unleash a cry of victory in battle, a decisive blow on their part.

The echo of lightning lingers in the air, jumping and sparking across the moisture, the Leviathan's own body glowing with a similarly violent charge. As the monster dips back into the water with a slow methodical churn, suddenly turning and smashing its side into the ship, splintering wood and knocking more water on deck. Seems it didn't like the cannons below.

The thing's ram sends you and the others sprawling from the sudden jolt. Jojo grabs your and Sera's hands and steadies the two of you to your feet. Marine makes do by breaking a handhold into the deck to give herself something to grab.

“This thing is just too big!” She yells out with a wicked grin on her face. Something's ignited in Marine, something fierce. Her eyes scan over the injured on the deck, the fallen mast, the progressively worsening state of the ship.

“We can't keep getting hit like this!” You cry out, “If this keeps up, the whole ship's going down!”

“We must go on offensive! Eyes, ears, and where else we can hit.” Seralana hisses, letting go of Kurojo's hand and drawing in a storm of natural energy to her claw. “Come, we fight!”
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>>33757175
yeah, I'll meet you guys again in like, I dunno, months.
A few months I guess.
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The beast's back crackles haphazardly, the damage done leaking out the electric charge at an alarming rate, yet it still shines brighter than before. Its entire body, in fact, has taken on a considerable charge since that beam was fired.
The Araraki hunters throw another volley of natural energy at the beast, giving it cause to dive to rid itself of the irritation.

“I don't like the look of that.” Jojo glares at the thing's crystalline back as it slithers around the ship, only its back partially exposed. “Does it seem brighter than before?”

An electric field engulfs the beast as it dives, leaving only its crackling back exposed as it circles around, made wary by the damage done by that last cannon offensive.

Up high on the ship, the captain calls down to a Khakori that's stayed resolutely by the hunting gong, “Is it ready yet!? It's going back under!”

The Gong Player holds a small metal mallet, standing by a similarly metal device, the one used to call the beast out in the first place. “Not yet cap'n! The Gong's vibrations haven't stopped yet!”

They told you about that device before. When chimed with absolutely no vibrations it sends out a shockwave effect that can summon faraway monsters due to the irritation they feel, or stun them when they've come up close. If they hit it while its still vibrating though, the monsters will be adjusted to it and it'll only irritate them more.

This means you'll have to deal with drawing the monster out manually.And with how cautious it's being since that last bit of cannonfire, it'll be wary of surfacing. It almost had you all after it wet the deck's cannons, but the ones within the walls of the ship had remained dry.
At this point, the ship won't hold up to a drawn out confrontation with this monster. What you need is the impaler.
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Marine steadies herself to her feet, eyeing the thing from around the shaking deck and turbulent sea “The electricity doesn't bother me.” She grins a dangerous grin, one that tells you she has a bad idea. “But I'm thinking we need to hit it with something big...” Her gaze lingers on the fallen mast..

Jojo draws his spear from the deck, the thing crackles with his own determination. “If it comes out of the water, I can get one of its eyes.”

>Whats the plan?

>Marine seems to have some crazy idea about the broken mast.
>Jojo's ready to drive his spear through the monster's eye at the next chance he gets.
>Seralana is ready to attack a weakpoint.
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>>33757342
>Marine seems to have some crazy idea about the broken mast.

Marine is immune to its electricity
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>>33757342

Seduce the beast.

Or lure it somehow.
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>>33757298
Im going to at least try and follow the other quests, just in case something bad happens to Dran while they go on.

Just like with Gobble.
;_;
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>>33757342
What was the effect of having attacked the blue crystals? Or did you forget that we did that?

>Marine seems to have some crazy idea about the broken mast.
Let's do this. Get close, have Marine drive in the mast through its eye. We can distract it.
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>>33757342
why not all three start with johobto distract it then sera an finally marine to finish
(if not just the crazy mast plan
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>>33757342
Marine, I thought you were in the water already. I was about to jump out and join ya!
Your plan about hitting it with the mast sounds like exactly what we need though.
Unless I'm reading this prompt wrong, in which case upon re-reading it my plan is
>give jojo handholds to climb up to the beast with ice-spike shooting
>assist marine in making the mast hit with frost slicks to reduce friction and cutting leftover ropes holding it down
>toss seralana at weak point with perfect accuracy
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If the Dome's tech is so advanced, why don't they clone Monsters for their grafts? Or use artificial insemination/breeding?
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>>33757342
>Marine seems to have some crazy idea about the broken mast.
(Help with this one.)

>Jojo's ready to drive his spear through the monster's eye at the next chance he gets.
>Seralana is ready to attack a weakpoint.
(Let them go fucking nuts.)
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>>33757413
Because cloning is bad. After all look at Mewtwo.
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>>33757397
>What was the effect of having attacked the blue crystals? Or did you forget that we did that?

>>33757317
>The beast's back crackles haphazardly, the damage done leaking out the electric charge at an alarming rate

No, I didn't, though I did mess up this part in editing.

>The Beast's back crackled haphazardly, the damage done to the blue crystals(etc)

>>33757412
She got brought out with the wave the monster laid out on the ship.
To touch on it a bit more, the monster specifically wetted the ship before using an electrically charged beam.
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>>33757342
>>Marine seems to have some crazy idea about the broken mast.

Go crazy or go home.
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>>33757342
Freeze the water into little sharp scales. Hopefully we can stick the fuckers into the beast to impede its movement. Have you guys ever crawled on broken glass?
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>>33757510
Hey, how does the 3DMG work? We just shoot stuff and then press a button to get reeled in?
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>>33757654
The beast is in the ocean...?

Unless you mean to try freezing the ocean...
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>Frost Wave still rank 5
It should be 7
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>>33757688
now that we're on the topic, how much seawater can we freeze mid-combat?

We could create effective single-fin restraints if we have a fair bulk of water we can freeze. It might take him a while to break out.
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>>33757685
There are two harpoons located on your side. And yeah, pretty much. In the ocean it can give you extra propulsion and reel in while simultaneously bringing you closer.
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>>33757688
I want icicles sticking out of the fucker and I'm not picky how it happens.
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>>33757654
That won't really be effective since it's easy to displace them. It's....in the water, you know?

>>33757716
What's the range? If we got tired after using something like Blizzard, would we be able to manipulate it?
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>>33757715
A good portion, it'll require some focus and effort, but it can be done.

>>33757731
Range is pretty decent. Mid-range at 20M
And yes.
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>>33757821
well, after marine tries her stupid/great plan, when the thing starts running, let's try using the 3d gera to follow the creatures while we freeze sections of its' movement apparatus
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>>33757342
Jojo throws Seralana at eye/weakpoint

We do the mast thing with Marine
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>>33757715
>>33757821
Now I'm all for this, but you realize that the electric aura thing is still crackling, right? If we don't this, I'm not sure Ceru will be up for actually damaging the beast.
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>>33758034
This is a thing we're doing later, not right now.
When the thing starts to want to dive deeper, or flee.
Or after the marine plan.
basically, whatever time we are forced into the water with it.
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“Marine, what are you thinking?” You follow her eyes to the mast, it weighs heavily into the ship, rocking and still just barely holding up with the presence of ropes.

She smiles back at you dangerously, the whites of her teeth flashing with the thundering sea's light, “I think we need a bigger harpoon.”

Considering your options, you smile and seek Jojo and Sera for approval, they seem to like the idea. “Hey, if you can lift it, lets do it.” You give her a nod of confirmation and run across the boat with the others, calling out for them to cut the ropes of the mast.

With the leeway you've been given by way of a cannon cross counter, you take the time to give the mast a sharp ice-capped point. Freed of the ropes save for one secured to a winch and manned by a Smolder that's returned to the upper deck.

The grace period is interrupted by a sudden thrashing upon the ship as the beast tears into the rear with all of its fury shining like a great white star at the peaks of its charge, falling rapidly into its normal hues due to the electrical leakage.

“Its tearing into the rutter! Get this thing off!” The helmsman shouts down, rear mounted ballista firing thick bolts to fend off the monster. With a crunch and the splintering of wood, it shakes off, disappearing into the sea, streaks of pink trailing from its head in clouds amongst the white electrified waters.

You give Marine a pat on the back. “Time to get to it, we're backing you up.”

“Alright!” Marine grabs the colossal mast, hoisting it up with all of her muscles in full flex, the sheer cut of her muscles rippling through the exposed portions of her shell armor. With a final grunt and a yell, the entire thing is over her shoulders, a great metal, wood and ice lance mounted upon the back of the strongest girl among the islands. The Khakori witnessing the spectacle stare on with wide eyes. You run to the broken railing of the deck and wave her over.
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“C'mon Marine, it's coming around starboard!”

“Right...” She takes a sing firm step that cracks the wood as she presses down, then another, and another faster still, in the next she breaks out into a full sprint, teetering the already rocking ship as she bellows out a wordless warcry, leaping through the air, sailing with the weight of her spear.
With a single taut motion she forces the entire thing to change direction, pointing it down into the crackling water, digging her fingernails deep into the slick wood for grip, she throws the entire thing with all of her strength.

From where you stand, the ocean accepts the weapon, suddenly finding resistance, and then the whole thing dips down from the force. The sea darkens and the point of impact reverts to red before flashing again with a pink static.

The Beast's head explodes out of the water with a roar of agony, unleashing a charged beam wildly into the mutual darkness of sea and sky, alighting abyss and space alike with its pain.

A cheer rings out from the upper deck, but your eyes are on Marine as she slides down onto the mast transferring herself atop it at an angle, she slicks it with muddy water and slides down, riding the wave of her attack into the drink, all the while firing Mud bombs at the thing's head and slowly exposed back from where the mast made contact.

In a blur of red, Kurojo leaps out for the beast's head, the determination of his spear crackling like a raijin straight into the eye of the beast. This time the cheer is a round of cannonfire from those unbroken below deck. A pitiful squander from the first attack, yet welcome nonetheless.

Seralana leaps out for the mast, sending a vine out to swing for the back of the beast's head just as Kurojo makes first contact, she sends out the delayed orb of energy. Causing the thing to shudder in even more pain.
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>>33758378
>mounted upon the back of the strongest girl among the islands
Considering Nala beat her at arm-wrestling, I wouldn't say she was the strongest.
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>>33758456
Before the evos and more training.
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>>33758456
Nala beat her by burning the shit out of her.
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The monster's body crackles brighter from the beam it released...

>[] Shoot out Icicles to be used as footholds.
>[] Use Blizzard to encase a part of its body in ice.
>[] Yell for them to come back.
>[] Press your own attack, dive and strike the underbelly.
>[] (Other)
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>>33758399
Shoot it with harpoons or cannons or ice spears or something.
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>>33758511
>[] Use Blizzard to encase a part of its body in ice.
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>>33758511
>[x] Use Blizzard to encase a part of its body in ice.
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>>33758511
Can we ice it's head?
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>>33758511
>[] Use Blizzard to encase a part of its body in ice.
Go ahead, I guess.
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>>33758511
>[] Use Blizzard to encase a part of its body in ice.
Can we try to freeze the mouth shut or something?

Shut down that hyper beam.
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>>33758511
>>[] Use Blizzard to encase a part of its body in ice.
The fins. We don't have time for anything else.
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>>33758511
>[X] Use Blizzard to encase a part of its body in ice.
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>>33758576
>tfw it hasn't even used HYPER BEAM yet.
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>>33758511
>>[] Yell for them to come back.
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>>33757413
Why haven't the espers made a dome-to-dome delivery service via teleportation?

Why doesn't the dome clone nothing but the Elite 4?
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>>33758627
>Why haven't the espers made a dome-to-dome delivery service via teleportation?
Prof still hasn't made an Esper/Aura powerlevel chart
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>>33758607
It used SOME kind of beam
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>>33758686
>TFW only charge beam.
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Blizzard time?
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>>33758709
I still want to use three Charge Beams at once for three large chances of increasing Special Attack.
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>>33758750
Blizzard time.
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>>33758750
Is that our best method of freezing large portions of salt water?
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>>33758750
When did we get blizzard again?
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>>33758750
Won't the blizzard also hit our allies?
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>>33758750
Keep it away from Jojo who's at the head.

>>33758787
If it follows game rules, no. We've been able to use Icy Wind around our allies without them getting affected negatively, so presumably, we're capable of keeping the worst of it away from them.
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>>33758783
yeah, actually, this is a good question.
Are we getting a super cool mid-combat upgrade?
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>>33758823
During the montage, I suppose. It was actually mentioned last time.
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>>33758783
>>33758823
It was in the training before we went on this hunt.
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>>33758870
>>33758861
So this isn't Rank 10 Icy Wind or anything, just a variant that we unlocked earlier than expected?
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>>33758911
No, we also got rank 10 icy wind.
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>>33758750
It's Blizzard Time.
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>>33758911
We've got rank 10(+2) Icy Wind already.

Just consider it having been unlocked through the two hunt options we took.
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>>33758750
If Rank 10 Snarl is enough to scare a Legendary, you're going to have to make this real special, Prof. I-I-It's our first time, after all.
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>>33759020
It IS the season finale after all.
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>>33758963
>>33758992
Where are you getting-
>checks pastebin
Well, well. Prof actually updated it.

....is Icy Wind the ONLY thing Ceru's been doing for the past month?
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>>33759020
im expecting something like a frost dragons breath attack, not insta kill but still Powerful
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>>33759162
It's pretty much the only skill that's improved, yes. We also got Energy Ball and Gunner. So, all in all, it's been very productive.
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With Kurojo taking out an eye, he begins to try to wrench his weapon free as the beast thrashes, threatening to send him flying. Seralana runs over the head and lassos him with a vine, before leaping back to the ship, sending out a flurry of small energy spheres to cover their departure, the thing turning to get away as Marine smashes into the crystals on its back with her bare hands, throwing out her overwhelming strength.

With the damage done, the beast's crackling charge that'd been spread throughout the ocean has dissipated, and it dips down, preparing to dive.

You won't let that happen. With a shuddering breath you tap deep into the cold within you, the air crystallizing at your respiration. The cold is good. You are the cold. You are winter.

The warm air of the sea plummets in temperature, the ocean spray as it hurtles itself onto the boat turning into a hard glitter. Seralana lands with Jojo, the two of them rolling onto the deck of the ship, sliding due to creeping ice, forcing them to create footholds much to the Araraki's dismay.

“Ceru?”

“Shhh...” You quiet him and the atmosphere drops from hot and humid into a cold howling wind whisking away at the sea, surrounding the leviathan at your command. The cold creeps in and wraps around it, layering the surface of its body with a slick ice from the accrued moisture. Soon it creeps deeper, dragging at the beast's movements, slowing it down as it struggles to free itself of the mast impaling it.

“Marine! Get out of there!” Jojo yells over the blast of the wind, shouting down at your friend. You continue the technique, the air snapping and the wind finally blowing on strong with the moisture in the air transforming into snowflakes, harassing and battering the monster.
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With a death roll and a flick of its tail it snaps the mast out of its body, struggling and writhing in pain for a moment as its armored belly is up in an attempt to shake off the cold, Marine submerged underwater...

>[] Stop the blizzard and dive in for marine.
>[] Continue the blizzard, Marine can take care of herself.
>[] Shoot ice into its underbelly.
>[] (other)
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>>33759409
>Stop the blizzard and dive in for marine.
Must save friend.
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>>33759449
>[] Shoot ice into its underbelly.
FIRE THE HARPOONS

then hit the gong

then use the impaler
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>>33759449
>[] Stop the blizzard and dive in for marine.
Welp someone is going to die here. Taking all bets on who it is.
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>>33759449
>[] Shoot ice into its underbelly.
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>>33759449
Can we just sort of snag marine with our water maneuvering gear and continue the blizzard?

Or chill the thing from inside the water while looking for marine?
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>>33759449
>[] Stop the blizzard and dive in for marine.
Doesn't Marine have the 3DMG?
>[] (other)
Anyway, tell them to fire the cannons at its belly. There's, uh, really no reason why they can't continue punishing it.
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>>33759449
>>[] Stop the blizzard and dive in for marine.

We ain't risking any sacrifices.
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>>33759524
I don't even care anymore.
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Marine has gills. This thing drives away all other monsters.

If we freeze it, even if she's trapped under for a little bit, is it really a problem?
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>>33759555
Our Blizzard probably broke the weaponry because of course it did.

And Marine should probably be able to take care of herself, but fuck if I'm going to trust Ygg to handle that.
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>>33759409
>forcing them to create footholds much to the Araraki's dismay.
Why would the Araraki be upset? Is it because they're damaging the wood or something?
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>>33759601
He'll make it a problem.

She might get caught in the ice or something.
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>>33759601
These choices are more about predicting what Prof will do rather than basing it on any coherent logic.
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>>33759449
>>[X] Continue the blizzard, Marine can take care of herself.

She can take care of herself.
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>>33759449
>>[X] Continue the blizzard, Marine can take care of herself.
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>>33759568
Why are you here then?
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>>33759702
There's only one thread to go until it takes an indefinite hiatus, and I meant more I don't really care who Prof is gonna kill for drama points.
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We got our indexes back right?

And they work underwater right?

Can we try contacting Marine on the walky-talky function?
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>>33759735
>this level of detachment
Why are you even here then? You didn't really answer.
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>>33759768
Pretty aggressive there, anon. As if you were an idiot.
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>>33759449
>>[X] Shoot ice into its underbelly.
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>>33759764
Yeah, can we do this and avoid this decision entirely?
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>>33759768
Because on the whole I still like the quest, I just have little interest for cheap drama like this.
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>>33759449
>[X] Continue the blizzard, Marine can take care of herself.
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>>33759449
>[X] Shoot ice into its underbelly.
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>>33759449
>[] Shoot ice into its underbelly.
>[] Stop the blizzard and dive in for marine.
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>>33759449
>Stop the blizzard and dive in for marine.
Because regardless of QM mindgames, I think Ceru is the kind of softie who would insist on doing this.
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>>33759449
>>[] Continue the blizzard, Marine can take care of herself.

Dran's gonna do this anyway. For cheap drama. So i dont know why you people are even trying to save her at this point.
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>>33760035
>Cheap Drama
Get that attitude out of here.
I don't need your pessimism in the middle of my soaps!
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>>33759449
>[X] Shoot ice into its underbelly.
>[X] Continue the blizzard, Marine can take care of herself.

I think we should focus on actually killing this thing as all it takes is a few good hits to the ship and we are done for.
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>>33759449
Linking >>33759484
In case it didn't count previously.

That being >Stop the blizzard and dive in for marine
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>>33759449
>>[X] Continue the blizzard, Marine can take care of herself.
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>>33759449
>Stop the blizzard and dive in for marine.
X can never take care of themselves. Thinking they can take care of themselves is never a valid move.
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>>33760068
>Its the point in the fight where we have pulled out all of the stop.
>Critically weakened the beast to the point of near death.
>Dran suddenly puts in Marine, a fish that can breathe underwater, being in severe trouble for having the beast roll onto her while trying to not be frozen.

Yeah this just screams, "I WANT TO KILL SOMEONE! CUZ REASONS!" to me.
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>>33760199
Well look, either Marine dies because we didn't save her or Jojo/Seralana die because we were too busy saving Marine.

I like Marine more.
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So how would Marine die exactly?
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>>33760251
When we don't freeze the monster, it wheels around and tears her in half.
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>>33760068
>>33760199
Yeah...they're also underwater. Marine has her 3DMG. And she's a fucking Mudkip. Even if it turns out she's in no danger, Prof is obviously manipulating the guys who don't want to let there be any chance of her being in danger/the guys who don't trust Prof to actually act reasonably (since he doesn't have a good track record) into voting to stop the attack to save her.
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>>33760251
Getting frozen in our Blizzard?
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>>33760240
Marine can breathe underwater. And yet Dran used language to indicate she was in trouble, Just like describing the ship crew as "Hostages" when they were merely food for the Esper thing leading the Dagons.

>>33760251
According to Dran, "REASONS!!!!"
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>>33760285
But that's not fair to manipulate us based on his own missteps in the past.
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>>33760320
The problem is that he hasn't actually done anything to prove that he's changing. He's continued to make the same mistakes. So the same things will be assumed of him.

Like this fight. He's really killed the momentum by throwing in that cheap "Marine might be in trouble" flag in. He just doesn't understand how to write a good fight. This is the "season finale" and he's already made the thread this weak so early in the thread. He's killed any hope for excitement in this fight. It's just not enough to say "Oh, the monster is hurt and also close to death". His descriptions of the fight are just too sparse and unengaging.
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>>33760442
ugh thats a bit harsh I'm enjoying the fight don't see why everyones getting worked up. if were worried about marine we can stop blizzard but we don have to stop attacking and don't forget about the rest of the crew, ceru is not alone here she dosent have to micromanage things, pluse the beast is close to death if i read the las few posts right so even if we let up on the blizzard the cannons, bell, and impailer along with the araki and kakori should pick up the slack. to cut things short just chill.
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>>33760763
>Sudden second wind from the beast.
>Either LAZORZ the boat or kills Marine dead.

Is probs what Dran's next post is.
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He didn't even do anything yet, and you guys are all just speculating if marine will die or not because of QM fiat. Jesus christ, you guys are terrible.

Marine is underwater, big deal. Doesn't mean she will die. because of it or now.

Also,the ship being destroyed is to be expected, since, you know...this is an Epic Boss, not a silly nar kage.
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>>33760763
Heres the thing. Something the players actually give a shit about is suddenly under threat, for a pretty nonsensical reason. Marine can swim away from the beast before it does whatever bullshit its inevitably going to pull out of its ass.
However, the way Dran wrote it, Marine is now in trouble. The other times he has done this have resulted in shitstorms. I have seen no reason that it wont happen again here.
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>>33760763
>pluse the beast is close to death
Which is part of my complaint against Dran and his inability to write a good fight.

I know WE don't have to be the ones to keep attacking. We've got cannons on the ship. The problem here is this; why is Marine in danger? There's no logical reason why she'd be in any danger. She's even better capable of escaping than Kurojo or Seralana are. So either she's in no danger and Dran is manipulating guys like you or she's in actual danger because of bad luck (otherwise known as, because Dran wrote it so).

Dran doesn't know what it takes to write a good fight. What he's written so far hasn't even been that good and somehow he thought putting Marine in some possible danger would make things better.
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Just saying this to confirm, Ceru is shooting at its belly and diving.

Almost done.
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>>33759449
>>[x] Continue the blizzard, Marine can take care of herself.

Marine would be disappointed if we stopped because she fell into the water, she'll be fine.
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>>33760876
Eh i dont come to Dran's quests to read the fights. He IS actually pretty decent, IMHO of course, at writing character dialogue.
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>>33760970
Even if she wasn't hurt, Prof would probably just write something like "Aw, but you really care for your friends" or some cheap sentiment like that to try and make it sound like it was "okay".
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You abruptly end the blizzard for fear of Marine's safety. More harpoons are fired and you run yourself to the end of the deck, leaping off into the dark waters amid the missiles as they fly, unleashing a flurry of your own icicles into the beast's underbelly, green power igniting against the thing's armored scales and forcing out more thrashing.

With hands angled forward, second eyelids sliding into place, ears and nose plugging up, you enter the water, initiating your A3PMG's jets and angling your own guns back to speed through the dark blue waters. Just as you get close, the thing's body sinks down, the charge from its crystals earlier becomes all the more apparent as it once more lights the sea.

You try to scream as the electricity tickles over your body, a precursor of what's to come. In the very next moment your body is wracked with pain, seizing up as the stored electricity explodes throughout the ocean.

Everything goes white, and for a moment you lose consciousness before struggling back into a fragment of what your awareness should be. Your hands spasm and your gear fires off randomly, forcing you to unclip it from your equipment and let it speed off into the unknown.

>Hydration activated!

The water begins to soothe your senses, fending off the inevitable paralysis from severe electric shock You move your tail, arms and legs to find that some faculty's returned to them.

The water surges past you, and before you realize what's going on, you realize that you're staring right into the the crimson reptilian orbs of the leviathan. Without a moment wasted, it opens its jaws, charging up another beam, one different than before... This one bears a golden light that reaches all the way down to the sea floor and above, into the sky.
Staring into its maw is like staring into the sun itself.

This is its last attack. The dying breath. And it blames you for everything.
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You try to move, to attack, to get away, but the paralysis isn't out of your limbs yet. You can't quite move fast enough to escape the awful glare of what's to come.

Then suddenly, you feel something hit you, sending you on a mini-current away from the epicenter of the blast.

You look back, curiosity your first reflex.

In the golden light, you can see Marine, gritting her teeth, ready to boost her own self out of the way.

But it's too late. The light engulfs her, a blinding stream shooting down into the sea and up into the far reaches of the sky's heavens, as though she were sent right up to Arceus...

You feel your skin draining, turning an ice cold as the fatigue from the blizzard's ignored by the surging mix of despair and adrenaline. In your rage, you fire at the Lord of White Waves again and again as its eyes go dark, its blood filling the sea.

It takes you some time before you realize as the residual golden energy fades that the monster's already dead. That was its last wish. To take something from you. Something important. You keep shooting until you can't feel your hands anymore.
Each shot gives you next to no satisfaction. Alone in the dark blue slowly filling with red, you take everything out on it.

...


Eventually you make it back up on the ship when they finally pull it in. Some of the other hunters wonder why its face is so mutilated. Some try to ask you, but your desolate aura holds their questions at bay.
Jojo and Seralana put it together themselves. Everyone saw the last attack. Because of your 3PMG spazzing out, you went to the other side of the monster causing it to shoot away from the boat.
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>>33760864
fair enough
>>33760876
the fight looks fine to me marine we under and ceru got worried simple enough
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>>33760999
He's made empty promises to improve his fights before. He's made small steps, but he's slid back a whole lot more. Especially ever since he stopped using dice, because now what happens is based (even more) on what he wants to happen. I mean, it's not as if he didn't stack the odds on either side when he wanted to (although almost always with the enemy), but he's gotten even worse since he's effectively removed any limiting shackles for himself.

His character dialogue IS better than his fight scenes. But they can be really cringey sometimes too.
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>>33761090
Wow seriously Dran. FUCK YOU!
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You're given a blanket by Kurojo. It's wet and it heavy upon your shoulders. You're not sure why he'd give you a blanket, even if it is a waterlogged one. You don't really understand until he escorts you below deck and you start crying into it.

He and Seralana stand by your side in silence. Above deck they clean up the wreckage, help the injured, reel in the kill and gather the dead from that initial beam.
Below deck you have a moment of silence for your own lost, Seralana seems to consider something and leaves the room quietly.

Jojo puts an arm around you for comfort. Still he says nothing.

Meant to post this image earlier.
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>>33761090
fuuuuUUUUUUUCK
FOLLOW THE TRAJECTORY OF THAT BEAM
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>>33761100
There we go, just like I said.
>>33761090
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>>33761070
>>33761090
>>33761113
Yeah see this?

This is why we hate you.
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>>33761117
>Marine took a hyper beam to the face.
>Surviving.

Can we get the whole crying thing out of the way now? This was destined to happen anyway.
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>>33761152
Marine is part of team rocket AND a heavily armored turtle projectile.

The chances of her blasting off again in an incredible beam are enormous.
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>>33761139
i dont im just sad and a little annoyed not at dran mind you just at the situation
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>>33761169
plus blastoids had the highest defense of the starter mons so they can take a hit or to....i hope
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>>33761169
This isnt the anime anon. Team Rocket doesnt blast off again here. They just die.

>>33761113
So that's it then? Whatever, i guess i have to be glad Marine is gone. Its not like anything i could have voted for would have saved her anyway.
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>>33761176
Why are you not annoyed at Dran?

We got played and now we lost both Marine and our gear.

Even if Marine is gonna miraculously survive, it'd still be an annoying waste of time.
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>>33761152
Oh, no, because apparently Marine only died because Ceru was there.

And the ship only survived because Ceru was there.

Prof is crappy at this. He's written a bad fight. Not only that, he manipulated people into this situation, gave it a horrible consequence, then some "consolation prize". He does this ALL the time. He's been told to cut it out. He said he would. And then he doesn't.

Fuck, this is the LAST THREAD and he couldn't even make it enjoyable.
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>>33761204
If -anyone- is going to be surviving a hyper beam, it's marine.

We need to find her landing crater.
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I wonder what her hang time will be?
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>>33761204
>Hyper Beam
>Physical Defense

Anon i have REALLY bad news for you.
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>>33761152
If you think about it if we didn't dive in to electrified waters she wouldn't need to have saved us (just a complaint no need to start shit storms,)
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I knew it.

Dran loves his faggoty pet birds too much, so he just kills off the childhood friend who's a million times more interesting and fun instead. Complete with every option being a trap option.

Who's ready to jump ship to AoPH 2?
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>>33761251
Rather large.
I hope she lands within the island ranges.
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>>33761113
This is why we should have just continued on with Blizzard.

We might have frozen it to the point where it couldn't have gotten off it's final attack.
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>>33761264
don't worry, she would have died of freezing otherwise.
Or died of mauling if we did the spikes.
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>>33761264
>We continue to freeze the beast.
>It wheels around with it "last burst of strength", ie GM bullshit, and snaps Marine in Half.

Would not have helped Anon.
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>>33761264
Yes, that is why we're upset.

He boxed us into this situation due to our fear of him using his bad writing to make contrived consequences, so he then proceeded to do exactly what we didn't want him to do in the first place.
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>>33761304
yeah, this pretty much.
Any choice we made would have resulted in marinedeath. Or just any character death, really.

Gotta have an important character die in a fight or it wasn't a real good one, don'tchaknow.
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>>33761251
she could be halfway to the dome by now.
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>>33761269
Its not his pet birds thing. He wanted to create drama. Just like every other time something important comes up.
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>>33761222
im not annoyed at dran because the players chose to jump in and save marine knowing she had the 3dmg and was immune to electric attacks while ceru was was not immune, dran wrote a outcome that was expected so though I'm miffed I'm not gonna blame the writer for writing the story. (this is not meant to be taken as argumentative, just a anon stating his opinion)
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>>33761264
>>33761361
See
>>33761226
Prof knew what he was writing. People POINTED IT OUT multiple times. People knew Prof was manipulating everyone else into jumping into the water. And Prof did the same thing as he always does. You can't really defend Prof here.

In fact, it's so typical of Prof to do shit like this that no one can really trust him not to have somehow caused the same thing to happen no matter what.

Prof wants to make this fight memorable? He can't write a fight for shit? Better kill someone. That's SOOOOO dramatic. The fact that Marine got killed because Prof thought it would make this SEASON FINALE better makes it all so much worse.
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>>33761361
Do you honestly have any confidence that things would have gone better had we just kept up the freezing?
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>>33761361
be annoyed at him because all the options are deathly ones.
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>>33761383
those are both me
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>>33761385
Honestly, if people actually trusted dran, pretty much everyone would vote for either freeze or shoot the thing.

but everyone expected him to take any chance he could to get rid of a character here.
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Rolled 8

way to go and kill you're best character Prof. would any of the options have saved her? because it all looks like shit.
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>>33761436
none of the options would have saved her.
All of them COULD have saved her though, theoretically, though. which means any one we didn't pick becomes the right one retroactively.
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>>33761429
But here's the thing, he took advantage of that distrust to do the thing everyone wanted to stop him from doing.

That's not good QMing. That's being a douchebag.
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>Marine dead
>Kurojo alive

Literally the worst outcome.
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>>33761361
I'm with this guy. (I think?)

I mean the only foreseeable alternative to Marine dying after the choice you all made to jump in was Ceru dying to hyper beam, which is probably how it would have gone had we kept up the blizzard, or at least having had the hyper beam aimed at our MC and having had a chance, however low, to dodge it.

Personally, I'm just glad the choices we made kept Ceru alive as a result, and we should be able to track Marine's gear and index to find what's left of her if it survived, if she didn't ditch it like we did.
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>>33761454

Staying on the boat would have killed Kurojo or the araraki, both options better than Marine to die.
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>>33761113
Anyone else feeling a lack of player agency around here?
It seems we were set up to lose Marine regardless of which option we chose.
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SO who's up for Jojo Dying? What about Seralana?

Hell why should we go back to the Dome if Dran is just going to continue to kill all of our friends? Honestly, im willing to bet money at this point, when we get back Devon will be dead, Lilac utterly enslaved by Sabrina whom is slowly being tortured to death and just as we get to her she dies in our arms.
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>>33761480
marine's gear is fucking fried homie.
We need to do a visual tracking of where the beam went, and bust out some quick index calculations if available.
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>>33761385
no i didn't wich was why i voted to just ice spike him from the ship and not dive. i wanted to trust in marine to get herself out of trouble but not endanger her with our blizzard. im normally a pessimist but i had faith in marine simple as that. (again not meant to be an argument)
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>>33761480
I'm pretty sure if we didn't stop the Blizzard, either Marine would have died a different way, or Jojo would have taken the blast for us.
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>>33761506
Why on EARTH would we stay here?
Every town we've been in we've been ambushed in, and our best friend died here.
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>>33761466
that sounds more like people are jumping at chances to blame the qm for things that they did not like and simply stating that you believe dran is just gonna kill a person off for lols or to just be a dick is unfair, if people left most of the shadowruns behind we would probably not be
having this conversation
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>>33761558
Not saying stay here either. Just go fucking elsewhere. Because Dran will probs start the next season off with us arriving at the Dome to all of our friends being dead, because Dran.
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>>33761584
Nah. Freezing would have meant frozen marine. Spikes would have meant maimed marine.
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>>33761412
Yeah. So I linked both your posts that kept asserting the same thing, since apparently you just went and ignored the first few people who said what I said and replied to your first post.

>>33761480
See
>>33761429
>>33761454
>>33761466
Ceru would never die. It's obvious Prof planned for her to survive no matter what. Don't you delude yourself into thinking otherwise. The prophetic dream that Seralana experienced notwithstanding, it's pretty obvious that Prof has removed any possible tension at all from the story by removing the dice. Anything that happens, happens because he says so.

>after the choice you all made
And it's awful convenient of you to ignore all the posts saying that Prof manipulated people.

You do know people were saying that ever since the vote came up, right? And are saying it right now?
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You guys are gonna be still salty after the hiatus ends, ain't ya?
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>>33761584
Except he wrote Marine as being in peril even though she logically shouldn't be.

He engineered this whole situation, and we've both been aware and bitching about it the whole time.
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>>33761506

There is a chance of the Dome being destroyed, even if only partially.

Also, I'm up for jojo dieing.
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>>33761499
wheres your proof the beast was in its death throws and giving a last attack jojo and sen had a much better chance avoiding the attack out of the water then ceru did in the water
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>>33761633
Hiatus aint ending, anon.
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Welp. I'm going to refrain from talking about marine and just point out that at least we get some more Overhuman now.
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>>33761633
Of course. Especially since Prof will refuse to answer any criticism against him like always. He's completely shameless. Like the kind of guy who crashes into your car then drives off.
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>>33761658
I don't even read that.
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>>33761503
i don't think so
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Rolled 71

>>33761658
just wait till he kills all our allies and forces us to work for the government, didn't we leave off sitting in a magical prison?
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>>33761503
honestly, it seems to be the case.
Especially since we chose the [x]save marine option. The one least likely to kill marine.
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>>33761503
That's what everyone has been complaining about, so yes I would say you're not alone in feeling that way.
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>Everyone still bitching about bad things happening.
>Attack on Titan/Death World is still in the tags.

Are you guys real?
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>>33761357
Pet birds is definitely one of the contributing factors here. He would never, EVER make his favorite, forced love interest get into a deadly situation, but the second closest character? Definitely.

He's gonna force Jojo into every scene when this quest comes back and make him butt in on every character interaction.

>everyone's faces when he punches out Devon
>everyone's faces when he becomes Lilac's new tease toy
>everyone's faces when he heroically saves us from every danger possible while we're cradled in his arms
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>>33761506
thats just morbid and incredibly unlikely to happen drans not a demon that just does that for shits and giggles.
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Anyways, marine totally didn't die and just got launched.

This is canon now. If prof says otherwise, he is simply lying.
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>>33761722
characters actually die incredibly infrequently in that after they become part of the core cast.
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>>33761722
>Dran Defense Force comes in, ignoring logic and reason yet again
I see it's business as usual.
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>>33761503
I would say no.

>>33761696
>Especially since we chose the [x]save marine option. The one least likely to kill marine.

That just happens to also be the "Jump into the electrically charged water" option.
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>>33761722
Son do you fucking know what a contrived death means? Because that is exactly what this is, him contriving Drama to make the season finale "memorable".
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>>33761769
yep. The other options were to freeze our friend to death or piss off a monster our friend is riding on so it breaks her in two.
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Yeah, nah. Prof as ungrateful as it mskes me sound for the time you spend entertaining us as the QM, this move right here? Nigga that's uncool, making every option sound like a trap and inb4 your reasoning is BUT TEENAGE GIRL PANICS EASILY ABOUT HER FRIENDS or some shit, you're a cunt. You could have just had us sail into the sunset with a job well done and ending the thread with everyone feeling good instead of going for cheap drama of needing someone to die to make the finale memorable, shit son, that's barely less cheap than rape for drama.
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>>33761507
I was kind of hoping it had at least a blackbox style bit with a signal built into it, you know, to recover data from errant rangers indexes who were eaten by monsters away from the dome. It's mainly wishful thinking I admit.

>>33761515
There's no way to confirm that unless Dran chimes in to the effect. I mean really anyone -could- die for any number of reasons, who knows? Maybe a legendary will just happen by to fuck us over or maybe celebi will do us a solid for helping our her chosen people, pattern recognition is one thing, but if all of the options presented seem like they'll kill someone, use the [] other to propose a way around that.

I got a little ranty there, sorry. If he's just bloodthirsty [entirely possible] that's one thing.

>>33761628
Gotta be honest, I can see where you're coming from when you feel manipulated because things didn't work out as you'd hoped, I really can, Ultramarine was a true bro right to the end. But her death, to me at least, really seems to be more the fault of the setting and people playing the metagame against itself, if you really want to get the best outcome, getting creative with that []other options is the only way I can think of to do it.
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>>33761651
>>33761663

so which one is it?
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>>33761802
there's a reason everyone was CERTAIN someone was going to die this hunt.
And it's not because it's a dangerous hunt.
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>>33761628
why do you think people were manipulated, dran wrote that marine looked to be in danger and that was it just saying that doesn't mean that dran is a mastermind puppet master bending the strings of the players. people were scared that dran was going to pull something and panicked wich led to marine saving us and taking a hyperbeam for us. im not ignoring anyone im just arguing in favor of the qm and trying to talk things over if i was ignoring people id just call them faggegts which i didn't
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>>33761658
Dont speak of overhuman in this place, the less whiny players that transfer over the better.
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>>33761815
Here's the thing, the whole
>playing the metagame against itself
Is completely on Dran.
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>>33761839
people didn't panic.
They calmly made the decision "dran will probably have marine killed off if we don't jump into the electric water for his drama"

We've gotten to the point where predicting what dran will do is way more important than any kind of in character thought.
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I wonder if that Johto spinoff will end up being a crtl+f quest too...
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>>33761796
The freeze option was to actually trust in Marine to get away before that happened.

People didn't and look what happened.
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>>33761815
>Gotta be honest, I can see where you're coming from when you feel manipulated because things didn't work out as you'd hoped, I really can, Ultramarine was a true bro right to the end. But her death, to me at least, really seems to be more the fault of the setting and people playing the metagame against itself, if you really want to get the best outcome, getting creative with that []other options is the only way I can think of to do it.
You're blinding yourself to the truth of the situation to defend Prof.

He manipulated people. There's nothing I could do about that. There's nothing you can say to make that any less true. Prof refused to even post about how everyone was right about Marine being perfectly able to swim out of the way or that she had her 3DMG. Which makes it even more obvious that he had planned to kill her no matter what we did. And offer the consolation prize of us somehow saving the ship and crew somehow. You CANNOT argue against this. Do you know why? Because Prof has done this before. He doesn't have the trust of the people.
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>>33761873
No the freeze option was to trust DRAN not to kill off Marine. The players dont trust Dran, not even a little bit.
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>>33761839
Yeah nah. We were already frustrated and exasperated that Prof was going to pull some kind of bullshit.

The only thing that was really up for debate was if it would be caused by us being a bad friend or a good one.
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>>33761873
The save marine option was actually to pull her out of the water quickly and efficiently before the hyperbeam went off. With use of radios, even.

There's a reason he included three trap options that ALL kill marine. Because the other two, theoretically, COULD work if he wrote it slightly cheerier, but would actually kill marine.
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>>33761640
it was what ceru saw she saw her friend fall into the water and she was worried for her. when someone you care about looks to be in danger even when she is not you normally assume the worst until proven otherwise. we could have had ceru remain calm and remember that marine is a tough girl and can take care of herself but instead we jumped panicked. (not argumentative)
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>>33761900
Can you blame players for not trusting dran to not kill off characters?
>>33761901
yeah, some friend dying was a foregone conclusion.
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>>33761922
We didn't panic.

We knew Prof was a jackass who decided Marine had to die.

We were right.
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>>33761663
....not even gona touch that one
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>>33761922
OR he could have us kill marine ourselves, and hammer on the YOU ARE THE MONSTER plotpoint. Again.
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This is the future you people chose when you decided to abandon the dice gods in favor of "puzzle battles".
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>>33761963
I don't recall us ever choosing that.
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Anyway, that's enough bitching from me.
I fully expect marine is entirely alive and landing somewhere now.
I fully expect dran to claim this is untrue.
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>>33761723
again not touching this one
but we had quiet a few chances to back out of the jojo interest but they chose to ask him to come with
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>>33761972
I acknowledge that Marine's inexplicable survival is indeed a possibility, but it would still just be an annoying bait and switch.
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>>33761992
we had several NO JOJO votes that went through.
It's just
>jojo or no jojo?
kept coming up and coming up, until we got to the point marine insisted on
>jojo
or she would pick it for us.
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>>33761763
and the angry guys fill the thread with hate same as usual
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Rolled 2

well I think that's it for me. I've been here since the beginning and sat through the shitstorms caused by the boating incident and many others but this right here ends it for me.
Prof, as good as you are at creating interesting settings and characters youre insistence on pointless drama and shadowruns has killed your quest.

There are much better writers questing on /tg/ right now and I will go spend my time with the kind of people who know how to handle player agency.
I hope you learn from you're mistake but we all know you won't change a thing.
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>>33761873
>The freeze option was to actually trust in Marine to get away before that happened.
Oh wow, really, do you have any reason to think Marine would be fine? Any at all? Or are we just supposed to trust you?

It's not about trusting Marine to survive. She only survives if Dran writes she survives. So, like everyone has been saying (and which you have been ignoring), it's about trusting that Dran didn't have plans to kill Marine no matter what. Which is hard, given his track record.

>>33761963
That was Dran.
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>>33761869
We'll have to find out what the QM is like.

Also, we might as well start making our gameplan for it now.
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>>33761922
Cerulean is a soldier, albeit child soldier. You can't expect her to not have been trained to keep calm in conditions far worse than these, especially when Rocket Mode is brought up. The problem here isn't that everyone is paranoid, every quest has that. The problem is that Prof is actively fueling the paranoia every thread, then punishing us for listening. Noone could trust him to not pull some bullshit where the Blizzard freezes Marine to death, monster killing her, or anything else even against all the evidence pointing that she was perfectly fine BECAUSE Prof refuses to word anything in a way that isn't ominous and signals impending doom. He's made it so that none of the players trust him and if you can't even trust the QM, what the fuck are you supposed to believe?
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>>33762028
Way to be melodramatic.
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>>33762026
just crtfl+f Dran's tripcode, update the page occasionally and wait.
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>>33762050
It just won't have the same magic, I feel. Probably pessimism talking.
>>33762058
QM trust breakdown is a sad hazard of quests. When audiences start making decisions based on narrative and what they think the QM will do rather than the actual situation, it's reached a dangerous point.
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>>33761862
....so your distrust for the qm made you do something dangerous and risky so when it backfired you blame the qm for being a dick. thats what i got from that
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>>33762050
My biggest concern (besides the QM turning out to be a flake) is that the playerbase will be as shitty as this one.
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>>33761890
well you seem like a lost cause but come on a guys sating his opinion and you say he's blinding himself to defend a qm. kinda rude don't you think (not the guy to quoted)
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>>33762121
It will take largely from this one. So yeah, of course it will be as shit as this one.
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>>33761928
how do you know that tho your currently just assuming that dran was going to kill someone no matter what
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>>33762109
No, the distrust for the QM made every option dangerous and risky.

We blame the QM for making it so marine would freeze in her own stupidity if we chose freeze, get maimed in her own stupidity if we chose spikes, and get blasted if we chose save her.

This is what happens when QM trust is in question.
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>>33762182
>how can you know?
He killed off a character for dumb plot reasons, thus confirming the "he will kill marine off for dumb plot reasons" people were right.

now you have to let them rub it in your faces.
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>>33762150
Yes? What does that have anything to do with the situation? The situation being Prof's horrible policies and decisions?
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>>33761943
but your not your saying that no matter wha dran just to be a dick was going to kill marine so instead of trusting her and by proxy dran you jumped into a dangerous situation which led to us being save by marine. this distrust is just going to piss more people off then it needs to
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>>33762182
Its because of the way that Dran wrote the "MARINE'S IN TROUBLE!!!" bit. Every single time he has done this, it has resulted in a fucking shitstorm.
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>>33762223
Actually, they were right. No matter the choice, marine would have died.

And look at that,
>save marine
got marine killed.
They were right.
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>>33762109
Except every choice was 'dangerous and risky'
They were essentially:
>Freeze your friend to death
>Get your friend killed saving you
>Get your friend killed by the monster

There wasn't a right option, because Prof would have just twisted the result into being the same.
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>>33762223
This is just proof that we have no reason to trust Dran in such matters.

Because he wrote her being in trouble, knowing what we would do.
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>>33761950
rocket mode recognizes marine as a rocket so that would not happen the way you think. and id like to point out that your just grasping at straws to probe that you think dran is evil (an opinion)
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This reminds me of those Japanese authors who listen to the fans talk about who they DON'T want dead and then immediately kill them off while leaving the shitty characters behind.

Dran's a real weeaboo, so he absolutely must be taking a page from that book.
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>>33762250
yep, this pretty much.
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>>33761890
>He doesn't have the trust of the people.
>of the people
Nigger, who do you think you are? Do you have some kind of insane pathetic belief that you are the "voice of the people" in this quest? Ewww. I just want you to know that even when I agree with you (I always know it's you because you always act exactly the same.) I still think you're an odious douche, and I really don't want to be associated with you in any way.
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>>33762259
At this point you're just doing exactly what people called earlier, when they said dran was doing three dangerous options that COULD work, and picking whichever one that wasn't chosen as the correct one.

You are doing the exact argument they said would prove he was a bullshit artist.
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>>33762223
And you're ignoring all the possible explanations given for why Marine may have died?

Or the fact that Prof refused to comment on people being right about Marine capable of swimming away? Because if he actually said she was capable of saving herself, he wouldn't be able to write about all the ways she could die from any of the other options.
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>>33762019
and we still had the option for no jojo at that point to
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>>33762250
[] other
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Morning comes and the ship floats, on, derelict at sea. You haven't slept yet, tears dryed and salty as the remains cling to your fur along with the salt of the sea. Jojo's stayed beside you, though he fell asleep.

Seralana comes in, bringing food, setting it down beside you.
“They say that we will return to current soon.”

You nod distantly, not much caring about anything anymore. For what awaits you at Kanto, Marine gone... You just...

“We... thought that one may still live...” Seralana whispers, your ears perking up a little, the slightest glimmer of hope beating in your heart.
“But... We spoke to that one. From the other side.” She lowers her head apologetically, she had last words to you, from her. And to this one,” She gestures to Jojo.

You look up, eyes dead tired in more ways than one. A medium. You consider, you hadn't known that Sera could do that. If it was Lilac, you'd be able to hug Marine one last time. You feel the sting of tears, but they don't come out.

“For you...” Seralana crouches before you, clasping her hands over one of yours the green scales shimmering from a ray of light streaming through a bit of damage in the hull.
When she speaks, there's a strange flange and it's in Marine's voice. For the moment, her eyes shine white to deliver the dying message.
“Ceru. You're strong, stronger than me. I know you can't do anything without me, but that's just because you're always looking out for me. I tried to look out for you too. I'm sorry I didn't make it. But she told me that you're okay. And that's good enough for me to move on.”
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>>33762299
she said she'd do it for us otherwise.
And that nojo option was still an "I like him" option.
>>33762312
[x]other was suggested, radios and repel gear tethers. It was not picked up on by dran or explained whether it was possible or not.
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>>33762270
>arguing about a general phrase
What am I supposed to say? A number of people? But I suppose that's the only thing you can complain about at this point since you're unable to come up with any justifications for Prof at this point. Look at all that blind loyalty.
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“When you get back, don't tell them that I died, okay? It'd be better if I didn't die on everyone a second time... Take care of yourself, okay?”

With a sniffle, you nod and put your arms around Sera. “I will Marine. I will... I'm so sorry...”

Sera's shocked out of her trance for a moment, taken aback, but then she holds you gently. Patting your back. “It's okay.” She says in her own voice for your comfort.
She looks to Jojo while she still holds you, “That one said for you to take care of This one. If not, That one will haunt you.”

Jojo sniffles back his own tears and nods, putting his arms around you and the lizard, “Of course. I'll stay by her side, it's a promise.”

The three of you mourn together in the lonely cabin, the mirth that was Marine claimed by the distortion.

You aren't sure if she's in a better place, but your world lost a lot of light with her absence...
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>>33762058
point
and i trust the qm but still the paranoia is what lead us to this situation and now people are just spouting hate for the qm mixed with a few honest criticisms
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>>33762326
Fuck this place, I'm going home and never coming back.
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>>33762326
Oh look. More cheap drama. Well worth her death, Dran. Yep. Really was worth it. It's really improved the story.
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>>33762326
Go fuck yourself Dranule.
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>>33762094
On my phone >>33762189
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>>33762362
Sorry, but player paranoia is entirely on the QM at this point, as he confirms it at every single turn.
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>>33762326
>>33762352
This isn't good writing you know.

Hell, Marine even points out how fucking pointless it was.
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>>33762362
It's not paranoia. Especially because it's completely justified. If all you're capable of doing is ignoring what everyone's saying and telling them it's their fault that this happened, then all you're doing is trying to defend Prof's "honor".

You don't have anything reasonable to say. You don't have any convincing argument. All you're doing is stroking Prof's ego after it gets bruised by people calling him out on his shit.
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>>33762326
>>33762352
I get it, you're wanting us to decide to get our memory erased because we can't deal with the pain or something.
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>>33762326
>>33762352
So who is up for not going back home? Or do you people really want Dran doing this to our other friends?
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>>33762452
Fuck that. Let's just go home and be super fucking loyal because fuck outside the dome, it kills your friends.
>>33762453
DOUBLE fuck that.
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>>33762453
The only way to avoid going home is killing ourselves.
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>>33762109
>>33762182
>>33762223
>>33762259
>>33762299
Stop posting already you shitlord, if you're going to not prove any of out reasoning is wrong at the very least stop openly sucking Prof's cock and using the grammar of a fucking 12 year old. It's not even worth arguing with you anymore because you'll just say 'it's like, my opinion man stop being so rude' and continue to ignore all the evidence while expecting all your 'but trust in dran' when doing that is exactly what caused this.

You sir are a king of faggots upon a throne of dicks and I don't wish to see you use your instead of you're one more time.
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>>33762471
I agree, fuck the outside.
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>>33762471
You really want him to kill off Devon, or Lilac? Be my guest then.
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>>33762241
>>33762189
your saying dran would
have killed her anyway no matter the choice because you knew beforehand that no mater the choice dran is a dick and will kill marine to prove that the is one.....your arguments don't have a lot of weight other then you don't trust dran an think he's out to kill everyone Which when it actually happens do to a panicked or rushed decision to counter the supposed death you get angry....(don't know why I'm bothering at this rate)
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>>33762493
Yep. Fuck the outside. It's a goddamn hellhole.
I apologize all you various poke-people, but this place is a fucking hellhole.
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>>33762506
This wasn't panicked or rushed.

It was irritated.
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>>33762506
you're arguing because you have no actual argument, but just can't stand being wrong.

They predicted with unerring accuracy prof would kill marine. They were correct. Deal with it.
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>>33762326
>>33762352
Congratulations Prof, you managed to kill the MC's best friend, and conveyed no real sentiment beyond us being pissed at you for being a hack.

That takes real skill.
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>>33762506
>your arguments don't have a lot of weight
Past evidence.

We know from the Boat debacle that Prof intended for us to get lost in the waves no matter what. That it was completely irrelevant whether or not we fought those monsters because the Tentacruel would come crashing in anyway. He even said that the leader of those monsters didn't summon it and that he just sensed it coming, so we know that he's not above coming up with excuses for his plot twists.

Then there are his other quests. He's very partial to cheap twists.
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>>33762575
well, I'm sort of sad marine's dead. I wanted to do so much with her.
But, you know, the quest's ending and he was going to kill SOMEone.

Sort of wish we chose the araki or jojo choice though.
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>>33762326
>>33762352
Dran if you dont want to run the quest anymore, just fucking say so. Why even bother with something so utterly fucking pointless?
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>>33762491
im not sucking any cock or shit posting and there is no need to insult me or belittle me. I'm free to post my opinion's (which your free to ignore) if i wish. if you wish for me to stop posting then your out of luck
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>get snorunt graft
>evolve it to froslass
>get medium training
>talk to dead friends
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>>33762627
>Dran has that summon evil ghosts that murder more of our friends.
>Because REASONS!
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>>33762610
Technically it was just supposed to be a hiatus, though I wouldn't mind if he never picks it back up if he's gonna do amateur hour drama like this.
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>>33762657
I'll believe it's a hiatus when it's back.
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>>33762625
>because you'll just say 'it's like, my opinion man stop being so rude' and continue to ignore all the evidence

lma0
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>>33762491
and if the grammar errors bug you im sorry but typing on a phone doesn't leave a lot of room for spellchecking during an argument.
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>>33762610
I want to be sad, but the whole thing is just so contrived I can't.

It honestly feels like Dran is just going through the motions because he thinks that this is what has to happen in season finales.
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>>33762657
Honestly he wants to kill this off. But he isnt man enough to just come out and say it. So he drives his players away instead. Which is sad, because his other quests are full of shit tier writing and characters compared to this one.
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>>33762705
Yes, that is exactly my complaint. You got it on the nose.
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>>33762701
I'm on a phone too bruh not my fault you're shit at typing as well as thinking
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>>33762536
i will admit when I'm wrong but in this case its mostly people giving different opinions. and most of
your proof of
dran being a dick also revolves around shit dice bad tactics decisions players made, not everything is the gm's fault
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>>33762765
he's submitted numerous proofs, you've submitted none.
He wins by default, as you've not disproven or successfully disputed a single one of his proofs.
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>>33762604
we had an option to escape before shit hit the fan.
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>>33762625
The point of him telling you to stop posting is because you're incoherent. You've got nothing legitimate to try and defend Dran. You're just sucking his cock.
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I really fucking miss Gobble. He wasnt a shit tier writer like this hack is.
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>>33762810
the playerbase was just as shitty as this one though.
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>>33762810
Eh, POKEMON quest/Always Sunny in Kanto is pretty good.
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>>33762810
>implying pokelesbians quest wasn't shit tier
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>>33762677
....sigh.....fine you win im a shit lord for trying to be civil instead of calling him a fag right back and tossing insults
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>>33762828
At least the QM wasnt a fucking hack. He was far better than this piece of shit at writing quests. And dealt with this players idiocy really well.

>>33762842
It just started. Give it time, it will turn to shit too, or OAK with just give up on it.
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>>33762869
>Saying that THIS was any better.

Anon, really? Are you fucking kidding me?
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I like how the only non-metagame fueled response at this point is
"Fuck this place I'm going home"
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>>33762734
you know what never mind you win Congratulations, your the prick of the week. your mother must be very proud.
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Eventually, the ship finds a tied and the Lord Of White Waves is looted, all the important pieces carved out by the Araraki and Smolder and stored in the cargo hold, extra parts such as bones and scales saved for extra profit and possible equipment.

A funeral service is held, rolling off the deceased into the sea with a special honor made of Ultramarine, the strongest, mightiest hunter of the Empire come from a distant land to open the way to one entirely new to the three great races.

This honor is repeated by Hao back at Raguna City, and a statue is commissioned in your honor. You know that Marine would've liked that. Even if only in memory, she'll live on forever.


A few months later, the Arc is built, a thundering juggernaut built with the help of Araraki and Smolder, most of them from the guild and thus less affiliated working together. It is a ship powered by the Lord of White Waves, invisible to anything below with a persistent electric field for anything that dares come too close.

You're amazed that the Smolder managed to reverse engineer the Repel tech, when you asked Akabaron about it, he simply claimed that they found new uses for previously useless materials. Yet the Arc wouldn't have been this successful without the Lord Of White Waves.

Standing upon the deck risen high out of the water, with Jojo beside you the wind rolls past, fluttering through your hair. The salt of the sea carried upon it as the ship goes against the wind in complete and utter defiance of the elements.

Akabaron walks beside you, leaning upon the railing, gripping firm with his claws as a smile is traced upon his maw.

A lingering thought from you as you head home finally after months of preparation, you look to him.
“Was she one less hungry mouth?” You say out of the blue, seemingly coming completely out of context.
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>>33762810
At least Dran doesn't always try to combine every player choice, or include crazy amounts of character-development situations.

But I really did appreciate Gobble's work for what he did with it. Dran, not so much.
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>>33762965
If he says yes, we are required to bitch him out.
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Akabaron looks to you with his one good eye, shaking his head, the smile fading.
“No. She was the one that fed them all.” His claw taps upon the railing, as though to point down.

Pounded proudly onto the starboard bow of the ship in great iron plates against white steel...
“S.S. UltraMarine”
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>>33762970
>Implying that wasnt one of Gobbles greatest strengths.

>>33763017
Fuck you you cunt. Go and die in a fire.
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>>33762878
compromise 24/7 and an inability to put his footdown were his greatest flaws

he had the patience of saint though. a little polish and a spine and he'd had been great.
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>>33762965
>>33763017
We don't care.

I know you're trying to make us really feel something from Marine's sacrifice, but it's not gonna happen.
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>>33763043
Gobble was a quitter and I don't blame him.
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>>33763009
>“No. She was the one that fed them all.”

I bet he just couldn't wait to use that line.
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>>33763082
I still feel like bitching him out. Hao too.
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>>33763082
Yeah... this really isn't challenging the idea that he was planning on having Marine die from the start.
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>>33763017
I still dont feel sad about Marine dying. Just angry, at you specifically, you fucking piece of shit.
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>>33762944
id just like people to stop being so paranoid that every actions going to fuck them over, but apparently I'm a dick sucker so my opinions don't mater.
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>>33763017
Oh wow. So fucking poignant. That really changed my mind about Marine's death. Really worth it. It did so much for the story. So god damn amazing. I think I'm crying a little from how amazing this is.
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>>33763124
they won't stop until prof actually has actions result in ways that make sense, and not purely in whatever way makes things most narratively convenient for him.

and he has to do that for a WHILE, too.
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>>33762946
She's proud I know the difference between your and you're
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>>33763136
can we just drop the rage till he's done with the fucking quest
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>>33763017
>No. She was the one that fed them all.
You're just cementing in the idea that you were always going to kill Marine. God. You killed her off just so that you could do this cheesy one-liner.
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>>33763172
(slow clap)
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>>33763173
That's not how this playerbase works anon.

cursing and empty threats are a natural part of the quest, like the seasons. It will end when the quest ends.
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>>33763124
Oh, that can definitely happen. All Prof has to do is actually return the dice. Then actually use the ideas and input of his players instead of presenting them with HIS options.
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>>33763173
No.

This is just blatantly contrived, and it's not even fucking worth it.
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>>33763173
No. Im not. This is shitty writing, on the fucking finale no gods damn less. What about this makes me want to come back after the hiatus, if he even starts the quest again at this point? He is just going to do this to more of our friends.

How fucking long until he kills Lilac, Bruise or Devon? How much do you want to bet we get mindwiped when we get back BECAUSE REASONS? Ugh this is a shit season finale.
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Eh, she was YOLO retard anyways.

bye stronk funtard girl!

she's doing bodyshots off Oscar in pokeheaven
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>>33763281
True. I liked Marine, but I didn't like her that much. But I hate the fact that she died like this. All so that Dran could get out one corny quip about her death. I just don't understand what could have made him think that was, in any way, a good idea.
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>>33763281
There is no Pokeheaven.

Only Giratina's wonderful Reverse World.

Though I'm pretty sure Marine isn't the kind of girl to stick around long, probably got herself reincarnated fast, probably into the freshest Misty clone.
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>>33763017
not even close to making it up to us prof. you shot yourself in the foot today and no amount of statues or boats will make it better
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>>33763420
hell, the statue just makes me mad.
I wanted to yell at hao.
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I'm actually rather enjoying this quest.

The sheer amount of asspaining is great entertainment.
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Weeks pass and you eventually see land on the horizon. The starcharts courtesy of Hao worked wonders in leading back home...

The Smolder, Araraki, and Khakori tuskless representative(Lord Hrozai volunteered, a gentle one he's been) have been getting wrestless, some wondering if the trek would end, Akabaron putting down any hint of revolt.

But here it is, the first spot of land and the closest you've been to dome in what feels like a year... Everyone gathers up on deck to witness it. A burnt land in the distance, yet a range of impossibly large mountains from there and further green lands from there.

You point at the burnt fields, “Jojo, that's where it is.” His eyes stare out into the horizon. Neither of you see anything, but you know it's there. Just a few more days...

“Mrow. Sow that'sh ware it eesh.”

Your ears twitch, and you look at the bow, beyond the railing. The White Cat is there, the ferrine leader... Why... There were no ferrines on the boat. You haven't SEEN a ferrine on this boat, what-

The cat turns around, grinning wide, showing its teeth as an apparent facade glimmers away, a long tail with a bulbous end, a softly furred pink body, and a distinct alien nature emanating from it as even light seems to bend around it.

In your next blink, it's in front of you, smiling a mad, toothless smiles, <I've been looking for it for quite some time. How you humans deceive us with tricks of technology. A shame that we are not omniscient... How quickly this would end, this long cat and...>
It's speaking into your mind... A playful, yet childish voice. With a single nubby little finger, it touches your nose, sending a tingle through your body, harmless, just a playful touch.
<Mouse!>

Before you open your mouth to say a thing, the monster disappears. Jojo seems confused, startled even as much as you. “What... was that?” You whisper with a sense of impending doom.
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>>33763484
We know, Ygg.
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Looks like Dran was trying to get into the Overlimit mindset. I look forward to the return of Everyone Dies: The Quest
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>>33763490
...Fuck you Mew.

And fuck you Dran.
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>>33763490
yes ferrines, we knew you were sinister all along.
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>>33763490
Gear up for war?

Froslass graft just became an even higher priority
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>It was esper bullshit the entire time
Oh my god.

I can't even be mad at this. This is fucking hilarious.
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>>33763490
Welp, that isn't good.
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>>33763408
Dran Seems to operate exactly like the anime directors that introduce a character, give them names, back-stories, hopes, ambitions, and even dreams. Then kill them off in a pointless way to create drama.

I should have seen this shit coming, right from he fucking start. But no i let myself get suckered in by Dran and his writing. I will admit it took him longer than it takes most of those fucks to do that. So he got me. He got me good.
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>>33763526
I think it was just specifically that Ferrine.

But yeah he was obviously sinister.
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>>33763490
Hah. Fuck Dran. Fuck you.
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>>33763558
yeah.
I -said- that guy was onto us.
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>>33763490
...Y'know what Mew, go on ahead and find Arceus and tell him where we live and shit. And let him come and kill everything. Because honestly, at this point, i don't even care anymore. Kill everything we ever cared about. Because the GM says you are going to anyways.
So fuck it.
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Okay, so.
What is COMPLETELY IMMUNE to psychic?
Anything?
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>>33763490
Now have Jojo give Ceru the bird dick. At least kiss!

Do it Dran!
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Ho man, did I pick a fine time to leave and come back.

I don't mind that Marine died. Part of the story, this is a quest where lots of people die(looks at smolders), etc.

I DO mind how the situation was forced to make it "Ceru's fault". It could easily have spun to have Marine incased in ice, or stopping the blizzard without doing anything would free the beast, etc. Weren't we supposed to use the impaler AND the gong at least once before it died?

>>33763490
suuuuure. Sorry, not feeling it. I mean, it makes sense that the only non-humanoid race is, well, not humanoid, and that's cool. I just can't feel the malice.
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>>33763611
Nothing is. Technically, Evil is, but nothing is stopping Psychic types from controlling Fighting and Fairy types into corralling Evil types.
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>>33763611
Small problem with your logic. Mew summons Arceus, whom has a personal vendetta against humans, Arceus is all types. And is a God. Spo the Dome is now utterly fucked.
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>>33763611
Dark/Evil.

But unless you have a Dark/Evil graft and are trained to get it under control, you only get pseudo-evil mode, which has the added risk of losing control of it, thus allowing Dran to fuck you in the ass whichever way he pleases.
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>>33763611
Bug is good against them, and unlike Gen 1 there are actually moves for attacking with it now. A Scyther graft would do wonders for the bug corps.
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>>33763652
obviously, all we have to do is lure arceus into attacking the red mountains.

PROBLEM FUCKING SOLVED
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So next we're gonna kill God with the power friendship?

I can dig it
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>>33763688
>the power of friendship
I imagined we were going to use the power of spooky highly secretive conspiratory military forces.
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>>33763676
This is Dran we are talking about. The Dome is fucked. So to all of those people, whom i have stated over and over against we should NOT go home, congrats you just killed EVERYONE we cared about. Good job guys, high fives all around.
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[KANTO-CITY]


Another day of training with Team Rocket. The days have been going by quickly. A low-level mission here and there, the expedition past the Veridian-Pewter fissure. It took around a month and a half. Kitty called it something of a “tour.” At least. That's what it had been up until the divide. From beyond there lie monsters that only get stronger and wilder as you delve into the unknown lands.

Bruise and I got in a fight again, I mentioned queenie again. I swear that he's in on it too. The fucker was always so close to her too. Thought they were friends at least, but it makes sense that it's a damn lie. Or maybe Goldie played with everyone's heads, or that mother of his. Sabrina.
She stays away from me because she knows I'm onto her. I'm onto her but no one will believe me because of the way I am.
They're all liars. I know that she existed. That fatass is real. My brain might be fucked but I'm not delusional, just paranoid.

Training goes on and no one asks me to hang out or anything. Even Sanna won't look at me anymore. Not after the ruckus I made at first. They took away that girl that smelled like death too. Who knows where she is. She went on crying “Ceru, Ceru! Where is Ceru!?” When Sanna came back from that rescue call. I heard they didn't bring anyone back and that Ceru was gone.
But when everyone just forgot about her and her friend one day, I threw a fit. Nearly got that faggot Goldenrod in my teeth.

Wanted to show him how I deal with Espers.

Boss himself told me not to talk about her anymore but it just comes out now and then. Can't really help it, I just can't think a thickheaded bitch like her could die so easily.

I'm restricted to the dorms. They don't want me going anywhere with the way I've been behaving. They want to watch me, control me. Sure, I'll let them for now but... When I see my chance, I'll rip them a new hole.
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>>33763497
Not ygg.

The ass-pain on both sides is hilarious. Much better than ygg's mediocre-at-best writing
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>>33763706
yeah, nah, I still feel pretty confident in saying fuck off with your not wanting to go to the dome thing.
It was obviously just another extension of your core "I don't wanna go home, need juntaaaa" stuff you've been doing for weeks.
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So what would have happened if we never did the electro-therapy? Would nothing have changed?

Or did we just not do it to begin with?
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Closing my eyes, meditation is the only thing that quiets the mania of my brain. Sorting out what is real, what is not, and reminding myself of who's friend and foe. Boss is a traitor, Bruise is a traitor, Goldenrod is a traitor... All of them are traitor except for that death chick. If I could find her... Yeah.

Leaving my room, I walk around the Dorms, a fuming sentry. None of the other Rockets try to stop me or ask me where I'm going. So long as I don't try to leave anyway.

I notice something, like a strange wave's washed over the place. Looking back at a Rocket I passed by, they're just standing there rigid, silent, and stunned. Keeping on like it's nothing, the worm of panic creeps back up into my mind as I find another, and another, and another just standing there blankly.

“What the hell is going on...” A stunned growl. At first there's surprise, and then I abandon my hesitation. I can leave while this is happening. Whatever it is.

Once I open the door to the dome, I notice that there's something wrong with the color of the ground, and look up to see two conflicting halves of sky. A snow-white blizard frosting up one end of the glass, the other, a raging electrical storm. In the middle, there's something flying around... and I can feel its voice just at the tip of my ears.
A psychic echo, this must be what's got the others acting all stiff, I figure... Then I think of the sky and I realize what's happening.

With a smile that could only be worn by someone in full realization that he's about to lose everything, I watch... and listen.

“... And so- those that hide from Arceus shall receive his wrath. From the most ancient elder to the youngest babe. Feel the cold of the Heavens and the storm of the Earth!”
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From the mutual cloud-fronts, I see the blue of the sky emerge, a frosty blu- No. It draws itself further and sheds the cloud it's hidden within to reveal the body of a bird, great, frozen, and of a terrible crystalline beauty beyond words. From beyond the dome, it screeches and frost forms over the glass, the breath of winter itself touching the wall of your city and steadily obliterating it.
From the black clouds, a great avatar clad in powerful, erratic lightning pours out, the charge skittering over the glass like countless legged spiders searching and hunting for a target.
I recognize the lightning one. It flew by after the Rocket test a few years back... It knocked out the central systems and left everyone powerless until everything was back on line.

I don't recognize the other one. And there's fucking TWO of these things?

Sweat drips from my brow and I can't help but laugh, slipping off into my own psychosis, a coping mechanism.

“Well if that's how it's going to be!” I yell at the sky like a man with nothing good left to say, a dog with a worse bark than his bite, “Then I'll just take you down to the reverse with me!”

“Bring it on you pink sunnabitch!” Flipping the thing off.

Distort this world and everything in it. If I'm going down, I'm taking everything else with me. Anything I can sink my teeth into.

Anything that I can blame.

>[Season End]
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>>33763720
Really?

Are you just being terrible on purpose now?

That seems like a dramatically irresponsible use of psychic power.
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>>33763747
Devon, you know what to do.
Shoot that bitch pink thing with a sniper rifle it never saw coming.
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>>33763720
they erased us from our friends minds? the cunts
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>>33763747
>>33763769
So Mew just teleported the Three Legendary Birds to that location?

Sure. That works.

You have fallen to depths I've never thought possible, Dranule.

Go eat a million dicks in hell.
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>>33763769
thanks for running prof.
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>>33763769
>Dome destroyed
>Status quo ended
>Most of friends probably survived
That's not actually half bad for Ceru. Terrible for the civvies and Ceru's conscience, but not bad for Ceru.
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>>33763769
Did we seriously only get two prompts all quest today?
>>33763842
It's going to make all the next threads (which there won't be) whinefests, though.
God forbid we even get a single happy slice of life episode in the dome.
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>>33763769
Oooh, woooow, sooooo exciiiitiiiiiing. Maaaaaan. I caaaaan't waaaaait fooooor neeeext tiiiiime.
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>>33763769
>>33763747
I like it. Looking forward to the sequel.
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>>33763842
I'm not entirely sure why MEW couldn't have just read our mind whenever it wanted because it is an obscenely powerful psychic, unless it was enough of an asshole to make sure Ceru knew it was her fault.

Which is the case, because Dran is an unimaginable douchebag.
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>>33763860
>Did we seriously only get two prompts all quest today?
Yes.
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>>33763727
LOOK AT THE FUCKING POSTS! ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING I HAVE BITCHED ABOUT FOR MONTHS HAS HAPPENED!

>Brainwashing away our memories?
Check.
>Acting like nothing ever fucking happened?
Check.
>Fucking everyone in the Domes being doomed because reasons?
Check.
>All of that effort being wasted, all of those threads of character development being erased for no good fucking reason?
Fucking check.

Fuck you Dran. Go and die in hell.
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>>33763886
yeah, if it's psychic enough to do all... that, you'd think it would be able to read our mind easy peasy.
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>>33763902
Technically our memories weren't erased.

The alternative was even dumber.
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>>33763860
Dran wanted to kill of Marine, and he wanted to kill of this quest. Id say he succeeded.
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>>33763905
Read our mind, steal our gear, teleport to the Dome's general location, transform itself to our appearance, etc.

Our decision to go home played no role in the Dome's fate, it was doomed the moment Mew met us.
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>>33763940
yeah, pretty much.
There is absolutely no reason for it to have stuck around other than to be cruel to us specifically.
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>>33763912
We dont remember Jojo, the smolders, or ANYONE else from our trip. PERIOD! Id say we had our minds wiped.
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>>33763769
Do you honestly think that what you've wrought today is good writing?

You know it's possible to drop a quest with a good end right?
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>>33763886
It probably did, but that doesn't help it find the Dome. It WAS kinda stupid to point it out for everyone to see, though. You'd think someone would have the foresight to lockdown information like that.

>>33763902
>Fucking everyone in the Domes being doomed because reasons?
>All of that effort being wasted, all of those threads of character development being erased for no good fucking reason?
at this point, it's just boring, I have to agree.

>>33763860
or a single Dome hunt. Just more drama.
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Why-... why would you purposely do the exact doomsday end of the world thing that everyone specifically said they would hate not only you, but the quest for? Prof are you honestly just truly tired of it, I can't even begin to understand why you just right after pissing the whole thread off decided to unbelievably go completely all the way?

I don't even, the fuck is wrong with you?
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>>33763747
Fuck you Prof. Just pandering with Devon isn't going to make everyone forget all your other screw-ups. God. Did you even THINK any of this through? This is the worst and most thoughtless you've ever been Prof. Blows out all those other times you've been a bitch out of the fucking water. Oh! Just like Marine! Wow! So poetic! See! I can do this shit too!
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>>33763968
Yes. All I wanted this ENTIRE jungle arc was to get back and have an episode of slice of life in the dome, and a real dome hunt.
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>>33763769
>we bring destruction to the dome
>no foreseeable way of realizing it other than a tiny little plot thread we spontaneously dismissed because of how unimportant it was
>this entire situation would have never happened if Dran didn't decide to railroad us on that boat

Oh, okay then.

>>33763886
All legendaries are automatically level 100, and we had no reason to go into evil mode at any point on the islands.

So there's pretty much no way we could have possibly made a roll that could have contested Mew trying to read our minds.

Ceru also didn't actually know WHERE we were or where the dome was, so when we finally pointed to our mainland, it finally knew where the dome was.
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>>33763962
We switched to Devon. It's still bullshit though.
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see you guys when the hiatus ends.
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>>33763982
all the mew needed was the charts and our memories.
That's it.
It could have gone in the direction we planned on going and found the mainland in a fraction of the time with no hazard to itself.

USING the information we gathered on how to get home.
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>>33763902
The Kanto City perspective was from the viewpoint of Devon, you know.
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>>33763982
It could have read our memories. It could have read Hao's memories.

It can fucking teleport anywhere. It's not as if it would have to wait for us to return to the Dome.
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This quest is based on Attack On Titan right? So why is everyone so surprised that the last stronghold of humanity is being destroyed by fucking huge monsters?
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>>33764049
they want moecatgirl SOL on deathworld.
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>>33764043
Hell, it didn't even have to wait for us to get past the repel grid, it just somehow KNEW where it was.
>>33764049
We expected the dome to fall this entire time.
We also expected dran to have the common decency to let us get back to the dome and have one happy thread before more bullshit happened.
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>>33764049
Because it was done in a way that the QM promised he wouldn't do.
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>>33764049
>Hey, I'm not even gonna bother reading the posts. I'm just gonna act like a smartass.
>I won't even talk about how forced, cheesy, or convoluted any of these twists are because I know I can't defend Prof at all
>Which reminds me, gotta keep sucking that cock
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>>33764049
Nobody is surprised? Everyone is just pissed at Dran for being a faggot.
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All this pure vitriol over losing a character really shows how awful his writing is, right? Totally terrible that he made you feel things.
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>>33764015
Don't forget astronomy

>>33764049
because the "huge monsters" deliberately did things slowly and stupidly just to increase SUFFERRING levels. Just Ceru/Marine's memories and some astronomy charts would be enough to find the Dome.
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>>33764096
If he made us feel things, we'd be sad, or angry marine is dead.
Instead of being angry his writing is contrived.
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>>33764049
We're upset about how it happened, like Marine's death.

It's a cavalcade of shitty writing and forced drama.

And I will haunt Dran throughout all his quests, warning everyone from participating in his next couple failures.
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>>33764049
The potential is being wasted in favor of Ygg wanking himself off.

He also wants to end the quest quicker since everyone is so fucking against him.
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>>33764049
Who's surprised? No one.

Who's angry? Quite a lot of people, I guess.

>>33764096
See
>>33763408
>>33763551
Marine isn't an incredible character. She was likable enough that we didn't want to get away from her (like, say, a certain Araraki). And then she died for cheap drama and a quip from Akabaron about her death.
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I think it's pretty obvious that Prof is trolling the fuck out of everyone here.

He literally took every single thing that has been complained about most over the life of the thread and made sure to hit every single one of them like a checklist and it was fucking brilliant.

Bravo, Prof, bravo.
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>>33764096
I'm angry that I can't feel anything. She was Cerulean's best friend, but I can do nothing but roll my eyes and groan at how trite the whole thing was.
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>>33764149
>over the life of the thread
over the life of the quest*
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Cracking open the can of worms now.

Comments, Questions, Concerns.

>The Good.
>the Bad.
>The Weird.


Also, thank you all for playing this. I know I haven't been the best, I've tried to improve and consistently fallen into the same conventions as before.

I'm also sorry that the early threads have been misleading to the point that you misconstrued this quest for the two leading contributors of for the basis of this quest.

Attack on Titan and Pokemon.

In any case, you guys have been great to a point.

Sometime in the future then Rangers.
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>>33764096
He writes like shit and Marine's death was fucking pointless and BAD. AND FORCED. He did the characters no favor and she went out like a bitch. YOU DONT DO THAT TO A FAN FAVORITE. I mean come the fuck on, prof could have at least made her death awesome, or cool. Not oh this thing gets a wish and it wants to fuck you, in whatever way possible.
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>>33764149
Oh yeah. There's no way he could have ever thought that anything that happened this thread was actually cool or interesting. No, he's just a spiteful bastard. God, such a spiteful bastard.

But I'd fucking take that over him just being THIS legitimately incompetent. Because if he's dumb enough to actually pat himself over the back for all this, he's never ever going to admit he's done anything wrong at all.
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>>33764149
Yeah, that's pretty much why people don't trust him as a QM.
>>33764178
>concerns
BUILD SOME PLAYER TRUST YOU FUCK
START WORKING WITH THEM WHILE THEY GIVE SUGGESTIONS AND STOP ACTIVELY DOING EVERY SINGLE THING THEY ARE PARANOID ABOUT EVERY TIME
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>>33764178
Son. Why the fuck did Marine have to die? You really couldn't have ended this on a happier note?
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>>33764178
>I've tried to improve
How? Answer this simple question Prof. Tell me if you've actually ever considered any criticism at all.
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>>33764178
I think the mistake was rolling up a moe cat girl.
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>>33764178
Sasuga Yggdrasil.
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>>33764178
>the good, NOTHING COMES TO MIND
>the bad, WHY THE FUCK DID YOU THINK KILLING MARINE WAS A GOOD IDEA!
>the weird, that you think a statue, boat and stupid oneliner makes up for it
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>>33764178
Don't give me that shit.

Attack on Titan hasn't had a major character die in quite some time. Nor has it had all the walls be blown up by gods.

You can't be so blind as to think people are just objecting as to what happened, and not how it happened.

I pray that in time you will become less stupid and realize what an atrocity this thread was, and have Celebi just go "you know what? Fuck all this biz." But you won't.

And that's why you have no place being a QM.
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>>33764178
>I'm also sorry that the early threads have been misleading to the point that you misconstrued this quest for the two leading contributors of for the basis of this quest.
No. Fuck you. Shut the fuck up, Prof. That's not the fucking problem. What the hell is wrong with you. You ALWAYS do this.

God. Why do you always ignore us.
>I've tried to improve
No you haven't.

Fuck you Prof. Fuck you and your holier-than-thou attitude. You'll never fucking change. You'll never feel any fucking shame.
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>>33764228
There was nothing wrong with Marine dieing. The problem is with HOW she died, because it was a joke.

>>33764235
stop it, what exactly do you want him to say?

>>33764178
So what happened to Monster Hunter? Not a leading contributor? You bastard that was the entire reason I followed this quest.
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>>33764178
you're the polar opposite of Gobble

you have a spine and aren't a quitter. Looking forward to season 2
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>>33764178
You haven't tried to improve.

I bet you think you did a good job with this thread.

You will pay for this.
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>>33764178
In all the time I've followed you, you've never admitted to doing anything wrong at all. Are you capable of answering this accusation at all? Or are you just going to give another snarky one liner?

>I'm also sorry that the early threads have been misleading to the point that you misconstrued this quest for the two leading contributors of for the basis of this quest.

And miss the point entirely? Why can't you ever be graceful about admitting your mistakes?
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the funny part is all the mad anons will be back for season 2.
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>>33764298
>You will pay for this.
how exactly?
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>>33764178
>Hey guys
>Wow
>Why are you all so angry
>This was always a grimdark world anon
>Wow
>What's that?
>You're complaining about my shitty writing?
>No way
>You're just mad you didn't get a happy ending
>Lulz
>kthxbye
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>>33764313
He will answer for his crimes one day
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>>33764313
we've actually had rather steep and continuous playerbase loss over the course of this entire island arc, which seems not to be stopping.
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>>33764313
THE REASON WE ARE ANGRY IS BECAUSE WE ARE INVESTED IN THE QUEST YOU CUNT.
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>/tg/ Quest "Attack on Pokemon Hunter" inspires rash of hate crimes! Angry neckbeards take to the streets asking African American men if they consider themselves white and then beating them to death when they say yes.
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>>33764285
>stop it, what exactly do you want him to say?
I want him to say what he thinks he's been trying to improve on, obviously? I don't know how I could be any clearer.

>>33764313
>Look at me being smart and witty and savvy and better than everyone else
>>33764338
>>33764339
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>>33764339
That anger is the feeling of becoming less invested in the quest.
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>>33764339
Just let it go, anon. The time to allow yourself to remain invested long since passed.
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Well, considering everything that's happened at this point, I'm not going to incorporate a whole lot from Attack on Titan, so I think I'll name my spinoff Pokemon Hunter instead.

>>33764178
Don't forget you said you had something to inform me of, and I still have a couple of questions about the domes I'd like to ask in private, so if there's anything else you'd like for us to discuss together, feel free to contact me.
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>>33764178
I've seen you do this before. You get off one line that's supposed to somehow prove you're in the right, then you proceed to ignore everything else. I've seen people tear into your arguments again and again. And you're just as shameless as ever about ignoring all of that. It's like you're completely incapable of responding to criticism positively and actually applying it to improve yourself.
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>>33764321
By making sure that Overhuman and Dead Last Ninja die from lack of participation before he can drag them to contrived cliffhangers as well?

Even though it seems like that stuff is pretty expected in Overhuman and I'm perfectly fine with terrible things happening to the cast of Dead Last Ninja.
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>>33764338
Not unsurprising, considering Prof says shit like this
>I'm also sorry that the early threads have been misleading to the point that you misconstrued this quest for the two leading contributors of for the basis of this quest.
I mean, wow. How smarmy can you get? It's just unbelievable to think that he might really, sincerely think this.
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>>33764178
Would it be possible to play as Devon in the next season? I miss his perspective.
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>>33764434
The worst part is that Attack on Titan really cooled off on the "kill everything" once the author got a solid cast established.
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>>33764178
Ygg, why do you not give us the slice of life that is your strong suit.
Why do you always place obstacles between us and it?
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>>33764377
I actually liked the characters and how they interacted together a LOT. My heart went out to Marine and her trials and tribulations. Her interactions with Ceru were amazing and it was a lot of fun to play in this quest and watch them go on awesome adventures together.
SO i was invested in Marine as a character. Dran proceeds to kill her off like a bitch. All of that character development and emotional investment from me was utterly wasted.

Gods damn i have felt this pissed in a long time.
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>>33764468
He wants to be hardcore and edgy, but just doesn't get that he's awful at it.

This entire thread failed to make me feel anything but irritation and maybe some disappointment.
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>>33764361
I just don't get why people would play with somebody they don't like or trust.

I was invested in Bleach too but it got to the point where it wasn't' worth it anymore. I dropped that manga during the Quincy invasion and haven't looked back. Should have done it a lot sooner to be honest.

Prof isn't changing how he does things. You guys are just raising your blood pressure and getting bitter.
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>>33764409
Overlimit is already pretty out there. I swear the mc must have the grim reaper living in his cock or something because fucking someone is the only thing that makes them die faster than liking them.

Asher's mild affection is more deadly than his pyromancy.
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>>33764497
>He wants to be hardcore and edgy, but just doesn't get that he's awful at it.
God. He already admitted that once and said he'd do a brighter tone. Then completely shits on that. He makes a lot of promises, but he never follows up on them.
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>>33764504
Dude. You dropped Bleach right when it got its game back.

The Vandenreich arc has been great.
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>>33764489
>>33764497
Basically, I turn off whenever combat starts.
This quest's draw is the character interaction, and combat is basically just a time for us to lose characters and have less fun in the future.
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>>33764527
Mayuri is great because of how crazy he is.
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>>33764527
eh, its not like I can't pick back up down the road or when its over. See if anything changed.
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>>33764209
The problem is that when I've engaged in the past I was told that I was directing and influencing decisions. People didn't like it and so I stopped.

Now I'm being told the opposite. I just can't find a proper medium with you guys I guess. Besides that, ever anon has a personal preference.

>>33764228
For Ceru to grow up. And she would've been fine if you trusted her.

Also, the electric conditioning allowed Ceru to retain consciousness. I explicitly stated that it wouldn't make her immune to the damage, just some of the effects.

>>33764235
Hard to say with everything that I've been told. Some things already being established in the story...

I'll say though, i did try to increase the quality of prose to make combat a bit more engaging though I think I've gone off on the wrong definition. My thought of "engaging" must've been more to the point of being more spectacular or sensational, heart pounding. Though it seems what you're all going by has to do with more player economy.

There's a problem with the last fight though, and the problem is that it was an epic level that couldn't necessarily be taken by just a quartet.
And thus limiting the real amount of influence Ceru had up until she brought out her blizzard.

There's a lot wrong, and I have to read more books. I've also been procrastinating hellblazer. That charges up my prose a lot more than anything else though.

>>33764271
If I act cranky, you all yell at me. If I act patient I'm holier-than-thou.
I'll just keep trying to improve I guess.

>>33764285
It was, just not the one inherently worth pointing out on this disparity. I love me some MH.

I've also barely killed anyone in this quest.
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>>33764563
Wait for it to end. Reading Bleach weekly fucking sucks. It's paced like you have the entire thing to read in one sitting, which makes it feel so much worse if you read it as it's released.
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>>33764589
>And she would've been fine if you trusted her.
No.
Flat out no.
You don't get to lie through your teeth like this.
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>>33764589
>she would've been fine if you trusted her.
Hahahaha. Fuck you Prof. You don't ever get to say shit like this.
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>>33764589
explosion in T minus..
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>>33764589
>And she would've been fine if you trusted her.
You're just outright lying here. I knew you were going to say this the second you killed her, but I had hoped you wouldn't.
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>>33764589
>>33764612
>>33764609
>>33764630

Well, here we have it.
Prof BOLD FACED lying to the audience. Directly. As damage control.
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>>33764302
I do wrong by not knowing what I can do right and thus fuck everything up even if I think I'm doing alright.
That's kind of circular, but yeah. I know I'm kind of a cheese at plots, and my combat sucks because I've most certainly not read a lot of action books outside of Snow Crash and my only other fallback are action movies, anime, and manga.

I'm going to try to improve it in the future. Prose isn't quite enough.

Also, admitting mistakes in the middle of a quest is hard.

I'm DMing without an actual rulebook here so if what I say goes I need to stick to my guns. So when challenged I've always had to deflect it.
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>>33764589
>If I act cranky, you all yell at me. If I act patient I'm holier-than-thou.
You know what you need to do?

List down your mistakes. Admit you made mistakes. Fuck. Rewrite all this.

>The problem is that when I've engaged in the past I was told that I was directing and influencing decisions. People didn't like it and so I stopped.
Do you know why people said that? Because you made them paranoid and scared to say anything.

You know what people are fine with? Having you confirm their thoughts and worries.
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>>33764589
>just some of the effects.
Like? Did it prevent the 3D gear from dragging us into an unknown BAD END? Because wow, that was a useless set of SP to spend.
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>>33764589
Dude, are you literally autistic?

We had no reason to trust Marine, because we had no reason to trust you. And still don't.

Because you're an awful QM.

It wasn't deep, it wasn't meaningful, no one learned anything, it was you realizing how much everyone justifiably mistrusted you, and you deliberately decided to take advantage of that mistrust to make us hate you more.
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>>33764589
>i did try to increase the quality of prose to make combat a bit more engaging
That's not the problem. You don't need "pretty words" to make combat actually enjoyable. You just have to make it smart.
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>>33764589
>For Ceru to grow up. And she would've been fine if you trusted her.
Are.....ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME YOU FUCKING SACK OF SHIT!?!??!?!?!?! OH NO, OH NO NO NO NO.

It isn't HER we didn't trust. IT WAS YOU. WE DIDN'T FUCKING TRUST YOU AT ALL! And we were proven right. HORRIBLY RIGHT. YOU FUCKING GODS DAMN CUNT!!!!!! HOW FUCKING DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>33764589
>she would've been fine if you trusted her.
NO. FUCK YOU. you are NOT allowed to bring this up.

EVERYONE trusts marine. NOBODY trusted -you-.

Because we knew -you- would kill her off even if we chose to save her.
And look at that, we were right.

-you- are the one people don't trust. We can't trust the characters until we can trust -you-.

You must address this, or admit you were going to kill marine all along regardless.
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You know what this really reminds me of? When Eshe died in Overlim-
>>33764589
>And she would've been fine if you trusted her.
AND NOW IT'S EXACTLY LIKE THAT!

Oh man. I'm not even mad, Prof. I didn't yell about Eshe when that happened, but this is just hilarious. Utterly hilarious.
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>>33764672
I agree with you, Conspiracy Anon.

I agree with you.
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>>33764638
But we've been telling you what you've been doing wrong, as you've been doing it.

This is literally the worst thing you've ever done, and if I had my way, it'd be the last thing, because you have systemically destroyed any confidence in my part of doing anything but getting worse and worse.
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>>33764589
Prof. I could forgive you if you just admitted that you were wrong and that you regret what you did in this thread. You don't even need to do more than that. Just a heartfelt apology with you owning up to all the accusations people have hurled against you. All you need to do is show that you understand you did a crappy job by killing Marine and that you promise that you'll try and learn from this mistake. I won't even get angry if you screw up again. All you need to do is apologize and show you've got a little humility in you.
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>>33764589
I'm screencapping this as eternal proof ygg is a horrible liar.
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>>33764589
>whatever option you didn't choose is the right one
CALLED IT
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This is the shittiest playerbase I've been a part of.

How many times have this shitfit happened?
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>>33764589
>For Ceru to grow up. And she would've been fine if you trusted her.
you just wanted her name on that fucking boat you asshole. you would have killed her off even if we had voted to trust her, nobody here belives that you would have actualy saved her.
YOU WOULD HAVE JUST USED IT TO MAKE CERU FEEL SAD AND THEN WE WOULD BE RIGHT HERE WITH YOU TELLING US THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO HELP HER!
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>>33764638
Prof. Just retcon the thread then. Think of it as an olive branch. Do another thread. No need to rewrite anything. Just retcon all the mistakes that people pointed out to you.

>Also, admitting mistakes in the middle of a quest is hard.
And this is the end of the quest. So go and admit it. Admit that killing Marine was a dumb idea.
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>>33764589
>That whole post
Straight into the trash.
Nice bullshit, nice lies, etc, etc.
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>>33764733
Half a dozen?
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>>33764733
the funny part is you people keep going on about how shitty the playerbase is, while being even shittier than the playerbase.
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>>33764748
hm.. thought it would be higher than that.

and once again, paranoia kills a good NPC
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>>33764743
Yeah, either have Celebi go nope, or have it just be a bad dream due to Cerulean passing out while trying to save Marine.

You literally cannot sink any lower than you already have.
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>>33764589
Ygg.
What is the thought process you think the people who voted to save marine had?
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>>33764733
This
>>33764755

You know what Prof just did?
>>33764729
He ACTUALLY just did this and, god help him, expected it would actually pass.
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>>33764589
>And she would've been fine if you trusted her.

FUCKING CALLED IT!

It's all because people didn't chose to trust her.

If people would have voted to not being idiots and forget a whole pile of information she would still be alive.
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>>33764766
This isn't paranoia. This is deception and manipulation.

People weren't panicked because they knew Marine was already dead.
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>>33764778
Yep. We fucking called that prof would do this.

>>33764766
what paranoia?
All the options were dead marine. Prof confirmed it.
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>>33764638
>>33764743
Dran. Retcon it. Retcon this entire battle. Redo it from the beginning.

That's pretty close to what
>>33764708
is asking for. For the sake of not ending things on a shitty note, just rewrite everything you did this thread.
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>>33764785
Stop trolling Dranule.

We knew Marine could breath underwater, had the gear, and was immune to electricity.

What we also knew was that the QM was a hack who had decided that Marine must die.

And he did not disappoint.
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>>33764688
I was the one that brought it up, i said, a whole 40 mins before hand that prof was fucking with our emotions. I voted to blizzard the beast to death three times. I fucking Gods Damned knew Dran was going to do this and say what he is saying now.

YOU WANTED TO KILL MARINE YOU BASTARD!

Fuck you!
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>>33764589
>For Ceru to grow up.
people dieing does not make people grow up. It just creates an emotional reaction that they have to deal with. There was plenty of emotional reactions to go through just with Marine's refusal to return.

>And she would've been fine if you trusted her.
I didn't vote to save her, but I'm on the fence about believing you on this. Considering the "death throes" bullshit you pulled, anyway. Death throes are random spasms of the body. No intention in aiming, no focus or direction. More importantly, THE MORE COMPLEX THE CREATURE, THE LESS LIKELY THEY WILL UNDERGO DEATH THROES. It's a biological thing. Check out a youtube video of a snake head that still bites or something.

Point is, it requires coordination to use the various organs needed to produce the beam AND aim, it's nowhere near as simple as a bite, and even then, that's nigh impossible for a beast of that size.
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>>33764589
I don't think I would have been nearly as mad if Marine was just doomed to die as
>For Ceru to grow up.
seems to indicate. But then you had to go and post
>And she would've been fine if you trusted her.
which is just rage bait. People are mad because it's impossible to trust the characters when the QM is untrustworthy. They're going to be madder because the way you said it makes it sound like you're lying through your teeth.

I have to wonder if you're doing this on purpose, because this is almost formulaic at this point. I can't even be mad. This is just so much that it's overloading me and I'm giggling. I can feel the acid in my stomach and I'm light-headed like I'm mad, but I don't feel mad emotionally. I'm amused, laughing like a child, with only a couple physical symptoms of anger.

This is like going to a show that you'd been really hyped for and then watching your favorite actor shit his pants on stage. It's like getting on a huge roller coaster and then having it break down and make fart sounds while it did it. There's just no way to respond to this but to look at it and crack up and wonder if it's all a bad joke.
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>>33764729
>>33764799
>Yep. We fucking called that prof would do this.
We ACTUALLY did call this. As soon as that vote came up, there were people already calling this.
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>>33764823
This.

HOW THE HELL can we trust marine if we don't trust you, ygg?

How can we make ANY decisions when we know for a fact YGG will make it go whichever way he wants for drama?
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I think I'm going to be sick, Prof I'm feeling physically ill from your blatant lies.

Why can't I have italics on the word lies to properly convey the feelings I'm experiencing because, just, fuck man. This isn't what a normal person does, what's wrong with you?
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>>33764589
Prof. Please redo the entire thread. Just put this behind you and retcon it. I don't ever want to insult you, but I just can't hold my tongue here. This has been pretty horrible and you really need to retcon it.
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>>33764832
yes. We called it in a literal sense.
This is EXACTLY what people said prof would do before the vote even finished.
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In short, AoPH is a stellar example of QMs having complete lack of trust from their players for good reason, and how it can be damaging to roleplay and thread chatter.
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>>33764823
>>I have to wonder if you're doing this on purpose, because this is almost formulaic at this point. I can't even be mad. This is just so much that it's overloading me and I'm giggling. I can feel the acid in my stomach and I'm light-headed like I'm mad, but I don't feel mad emotionally. I'm amused, laughing like a child, with only a couple physical symptoms of anger.
>
>This is like going to a show that you'd been really hyped for and then watching your favorite actor shit his pants on stage. It's like getting on a huge roller coaster and then having it break down and make fart sounds while it did it. There's just no way to respond to this but to look at it and crack up and wonder if it's all a bad joke.
Yep. I'm sitting here jerkily laughing because this is just so surreal. It's not even tragic. I was more upset by the death of the Azumaril ranger whose name I don't even remember. This is just hilariously bad in the worst way possible.
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The funny thing is, I suggested [other] that would have entirely avoided this as a question, and withheld my vote hoping for an answer from ygg here
>>33759543
and was never responded to by him.

He didn't respond to the radio thing either.
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>>33764589
I'm happy to follow you Prof, but you've just really made it hard to trust you. Please retcon this entire thread. Rewrite everything, please.

I've always upvoted your threads before because of courtesy, but for the last dozen sessions, I just couldn't do that. I can't lie about how I haven't been enjoying your threads for a while. And this has really been really crushing.
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>>33764918
If he doesn't want to retcon everything, I'd settle for him never coming back.
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>>33764916
He already gave his excuse that
>we don't like him doing that
Which is pretty pathetic since he's CONTINUED doing that for a while now. He only ever brings this up when it's convenient for him. Just like the times when he says
>the other option would have been better
He CONSTANTLY does that and expects us to believe him after all this time.
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>>33764638
>I do wrong by not knowing what I can do right
Then please. Retcon this entire thread. That's how you can do right by everyone. You just gotta rewrite everything you did today. Please.
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>>33764982
He won't.

And it won't solve anything because the trust is still destroyed. We know that he could do shit like this at literally any time and not even know that he's fucking up.
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>>33765018
It'll show that he's willing to admit a mistake.
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>>33764589
All I know is I enjoy your writing, but some of your players suck all the enjoyment out.
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At least her death was quick. unlike Oliver
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Really, marine dying seemed like a tremendous asspull.

Hell, that entire situation seemed like a tremendous asspull. we already gave our order to do the blizzard, and prof threw in a second prompt to undo the previous prompt.
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>>33764643
>Having you confirm their thoughts and worries.
But then I'm blatantly railroading their decision.
That's what makes this so hard. I can't win. It's why I stop talking.

>>33764650
You went over the SP on the things offered and the purchase of blizzard. I figured that you'd need both at a point so I didn't mind it especially with the time involved.

Also, it got off two charge beams before using discharge and then the Hyper Beam.
Special Atk up stage 2.

>>33764656
I didn't realize how bad the distrust was for me. But what am I going to do?
Say that trying to save her would kill her? When she was in that water perfectly fine from last thread?
Not something I can really do unless you all just want spark notes for every decision and what happens next.

If it'd please you, I could list the outcome of every single decision next to the option so that no one is surprised. You could pick the exact way that you'd like the story to go.

>>33764669
I think I should read Joker Quest then and take some notes because I haven't been too smart about that apparently.

>>33764821
Ah, this concern about death throes. THe Lagiacrus kind of looks like an alligator, when I wrote "Death Roll" I meant that it was doing that horridly powerful roll that they do. It did this to detach the hapoons and the mast stuck to it, though the mast made the wound worse.

When it realized that it was going to die, it discharged and used hyperbeam on the first thing it saw.
The hyperbream used up the last of its vitality and put it past the critical condition.

>>33764636
I kind of expected that. I guess I was foolish to think that anyone wouldn't call me a liar.
Feels bad when I'm trying to be honest.
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You guys realize that the retcon could start with the Hyper Beam blowing up the ship, right?
>hundreds more die, but not the important characters.
>Kurojo swims over to the gong and Ceru help him sound it.
>Marine still does the Mast thing while Seralana keeps the beast busy.
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>>33765047
Stop trolling.

No one could enjoy this.
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>>33765047
this. this is a crtl+f quest
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>>33765072
Please retcon this thread, Prof.
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>>33764638
Y'know, you can keep you shitty Attack on Titan ending. I dont care. Retcon Marine's death you fucking prick. It was horrible, AND UTTERLY pointless. It served NO purpose, was UTTERLY useless and a waste of a good character. Marine would have been better served actually making it fucking home with us to help us overthrow the Dome tyrants. Maybe to die a meaningful death there, instead of being a fucking throw-away character.

Seriously fuck you Dran.
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>>33765072
>what can I do?
Make it so that when we are all "Oh, he's going to kill someone off here, because he was planning on killing someone off all along", you DON'T KILL ANYONE OFF.

Players will be surprised that you didn't kill anyone off, and start to trust you more.

And then continue doing that.

No, don't mindrape or remove limbs instead.
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>>33765072
>feels bad
Yes. Yes it should. You made your players feel bad, and they no longer trust you at all.

Then you went and LIED about it.
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>>33765072
>I didn't realize how bad the distrust was for me. But what am I going to do?
I guess explicitly say that there IS a way for her not to die? Not a whole lot better, I confess.

>discharge
hold up, gotta look up bulbapedia for all this pokemon crap
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>>33765072
why did you even bring up a second "stop blizzard" prompt after we voted to blizzard the thing in the first place?

Why do you add "MARINE IS IN DANGER" segments when we know she's not in danger, and the only reason to include one is a meta-game "I'm going to kill marine now" reason?

Why do you give us only two prompts the entire thread, and make one to cancel out the other one?
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>>33765090
Exactly. I just skip over all the talk now days.
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>>33764816
You knew all that but enough of you voted the other way.

>>33764916
I'm sorry that I didn't answer. The radio only works underwater when it's connected to that rebreather that was lost back during the initial wrecking of the ship. That's why Cery had it despite the fact that she had gills.
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>>33765072
...Stop. Fucking. Lying.
>I didn't realize how bad the distrust was for me.
The only way that could possibly be true was if you weren't actually reading anything but the prompts, which is shit QMing. It was explicitely stated multiple times.

It was also stated that we knew Marine should be fine, but we figured that due to you being a hack, the combination of our own Blizzard trapping her, as well as the monster pulling some bullshit, would have resulted in a contrived situation that would have meant her demise.

Again, this was said, multiple times.

You disingenuous smug shitlord.
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>>33765072
>But what am I going to do?
Retcon the thread. Don't kill off Marine.

>That's what makes this so hard. I can't win. It's why I stop talking.
And stop this. You still do this, Prof. And you only ever use this as an excuse for situations like this.

>If it'd please you, I could list the outcome of every single decision next to the option so that no one is surprised. You could pick the exact way that you'd like the story to go.
>Not something I can really do unless you all just want spark notes for every decision and what happens next.
>Feels bad when I'm trying to be honest.
Why do you have to act like this every time you're criticized? Stop acting like the victim and stop acting like you haven't been manipulating people.
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>>33765047
At least I'm doing something right. This means a lot and helps encourage whatever improvement I may be able to do.
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>>33765182
>you all knew that but enough of you voted the other way
they did this because they didn't trust -you-.
And you proved them right.

The way to gain player trust is to prove them wrong when they say "The QM is going to do (x bad thing) for no reason, just watch".

Not prove them right EVERY SINGLE TIME YOUR ENTIRE QUEST
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>>33765072
>But what am I going to do?
Build up trust again. Start by retconning this thread.
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>>33765182
FUCK YOU I VOTED TO BLIZZARD THE BASTARD 5 FUCKING TIMES!!!!!! I EVEN STARTED THE CONVO OF HOW YOU WERE GOING TO USE PLAYER PARANOIA AGAINST THEM TO FUCK THEM OVER!!!! BEFORE YOU POSTED YOUR DECISION TO KILL OF MARINE!!!!!!!!
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>>33765182
They also knew you were a jackass who was going to kill Marine regardless.

No one thought that Marine had a chance at surviving because she didn't.

Because you're a manipulative and deceptive liar and you if anything deserve far more scorn than you're receiving.
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>>33765207
Prof, the entire reason I come here is for the few happy fun times we have with friends, and the occasional fun problem solving.

The fights are boring, and more importantly, only serve as a vehicle for removing characters permanently from fun sections.

And we didn't even GET a fun section in the festival, we cut that out entirely for political mindfucking.

We never got the fucking ringtoss.
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>>33765207
He's a troll.

He doesn't actually have anything nice to say about your quest, because there is nothing nice to say about it.

Because you're either a liar or a fool. Probably both.
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>>33765182
>You knew all that but enough of you voted the other way.
And we discussed that heavily and IMMEDIATELY right after the vote came up, Prof.

Prof, please remember. This isn't the first time this has happened. Sometimes you've piped up and you got people to revote. Other times, you didn't say anything at all. And I can only guess that, at those times, you WANTED shit to happen.
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>>33765207
have you considered a slice of life quest? A lot people seem to want that.

also, You get to Dangerous Habits yet?
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>>33765182
Dran. Can you actually reply to all the people telling you to retcon the thread?
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>>33765259
He's a liar. He knows what he is doing.

>>33765264
>>33765182
Why did you not pipe up with a "I won't kill her just because you didn't chose the "save her" prompt", ygg?

it was an obviously meta-based decision people were making off of what they RIGHTLY PREDICTED you would do. If you gave a SINGLE meta-word on how you wouldn't do that, the entire vote would have changed.
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>>33765207
>Prof wades past all the shit and criticism that he refuses to scarf down to understand what the players are going through and reaches out to the single beacon of light that immediately bends down to suck his dick

Thanks for being condescending as fuck the moment you got called out too bruh, I can do it too.
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>>33765207
>latching on to a dicksucker

This further solidifies that you're fucking with the playerbase now.


Know what?

I'm going to latch on to Over(human)Limit and fucking derail it.

If I derail it, you have to put it back on the rails, and if you do that, you're railroading and continue to be bitched at by your other playerbase.

You either fix AoPH with a retcon or get shat on everywhere you go.

You could even just leave /tg/ and drop everything like you know you want to.

Your move, asshole.
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>>33765072
Ok. I'm seeing a few possibilities for this mess.

>You genuinely don't understand the state of your players and how they think of you and how that influences choices, even when they're saying it in thread, and accidentally constructed the perfect option to bait Marine's death
I don't think it's possible for someone to be this stupid and simultaneously run the quests you have. Maybe it's possible that this is aspergers or something, I'm not a specialist, but just god damn. I hope it's not this because I'll feel bad that everyone is screaming at a mentally deficient person.
>You understand perfectly and were going to kill off Marine no matter what, but don't want people to be mad so you're trying to lie about it.
You're a dick. You want people to like you and you might not even realize just how much of a dick you're being because you think it's for our benefit or the good of the story or something, but you're being a dick.
>You are purposefully constructed the worst thing possible here and responded to player anger in the worst possible way in attempting to piss off as many people as possible before the hiatus in order to kull the population for some reason
If it's this one, you're a cock. Just grade A monolithic chode. more of a dick than the previous option.
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>>33765207
I know i'll be coming back to read more and at the very least I still trust you.

Kinda sad to see how everything played out and how people are reacting.

Really need to catch up on Overlimit.
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>>33765182
Assuming you're not a liar, why would you trick your players into getting a beloved NPC killed?

How could you possibly think that would be necessary to include, and would end well regardless of how it happened?

Quit QMing. It's clearly not your thing.
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>>33765182
>You knew all that but enough of you voted the other way.
See
>>33765264
>>33765234
This leads back to the problem of people not trusting you. There were other times where, logically, nothing should have gone wrong. And people voted for that and you still made things go wrong. No one can trust "logic" anymore. The majority want to play it safe by taking the safest looking options. Anons like
>>33765234
believe you already had it planned out from the beginning. There were many ways you could have had Marine killed. You always talk about how strong this opponent is, so it can't be helped that we can't do much against it on our own. But the same holds true for Marine, in this case; even near death, we can't be sure she'd have survived without help. You could spin it any way you want after the vote takes place. You have the ability to do that. And that's why there's so much distrust for you.
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>>33765072
>>33765146
Alright then:

>Discharge
>Paralysis
It says 30% chance. Factoring the sea water, I can see why you made it 100%, but shouldn't the electro-therapy help against that? Special Attack only affects damage, not Status Ailment chance, not to mention that the blue things were broken.

>Hyper Beam
I hope you mean that after it used it, someone on the surface killed it.

I don't mean that nothing bad should happen: I'm just surprised that it was already dying. I thought it could go another round, even after getting rid of the mast.

Some people would climb on and carve place bombs or something, while others would ring the gong. The wasted effort saving Marine would mean that the Lag would free itself from the blizzard and the fight would continue from there, instead of it ending already.
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Really, every time things are about to get cool and fun, prof adds a
>do you want to do cool and fun thing, or HELP YOUR FRIEND WHO IS SUDDENLY IN PERIL FOR NO REASON?

He KEEPS DOING THIS.
>>33765072
Prof, why do you KEEP DOING THAT?
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>LOCAL QM RUINS EVERYTHING
>DOES NOTHING TO APOLOGISE AND FIX HIS MISTAKE
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Anyway, this is all moot because he's never taking this quest out of hiatus.
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>>33765402
Good.

Now only thing left is to chase him off /tg/ altogether.
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>>33765072
>I didn't realize how bad the distrust was for me. But what am I going to do?
What you did in the post was contextually portray Marine in a bad position by having Jojo suddenly get worried and confused. Going by all the other times you've done this, it's never been a good idea to continue (despite the number of reasons against that).
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This is the biggest example for QM/Playerbase disconnect I've ever seen.
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>>33765363
Going from there, we enter the pursuit phase, with only Ceru and Marine being able to swim deep enough to fight it.

then we kill it, probably with Marine dying in the process. I could accept that.
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>>33765412
I can't accept it. Not anymore. Not after all this.
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>>33765182
Serious Question though.

Would it be possible to switch to Devon's perspective for the new season? That last part really made me want to play as him again.
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>>33765182
Can you reply to the posts asking for a retcon?
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>>33765441
everything we have said about Dran needing to own up to his vile lies has been serious. don't try to devalue that by acting all innocent
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>>33765441
his paranoia would fit the playerbase like a glove...
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>>33765457
He won't. He will not ever even acknowledge the possibility of this.
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>>33765480
Then he's got to go.
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>>33765182

RETCON,RETCON,RETCON,RETCON
how many times does it need to be said before you say something about it you bastard?
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>>33765491
He won't do it because he thinks it'll damage his reputation.

Even though that is literally impossible after what he's just committed.
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I feel like I want to cry about marine, but I'm too mad at ygg for being a liar to do that.

Do you understand this, ygg? Your meta-game bullshit is SO INTENSE it is actively blocking my reactions to whatever you are writing.
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also, this archive score is laughably low.
probably downbotted, but still.
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>>33765491
The sad bit is, if Marine was suddenly not dead the thread would literally be no different. Marine's death was entirely pointless and added NOTHING to the quest, other than drama. That is the WORST way to kill of a fan favorite character.
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>>33764289
>Gobble is a quitter

You are scum. Good day, sir.
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>>33765546
Probably?
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>>33765551
The worst bit is we got TWO WHOLE PROMPTS this thread.

One: DO BLIZZARD
two: NO DON'T DO BLIZZARD
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>>33764289
Do you even know what happened to Gobble you fucking asshole?
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>>33765552
but he is a quitter anon.
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>>33765551
>would literally be no different
Well, for one, no one would be pissed off but that one anon who kept screaming about how returning to the Dome would destroy it.
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>>33765569
I actualy don't know, he just disapered from tg, what happened? nobody has an answer for me
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>>33765207
I am quite angry and feel like my day has been entirely ruined by your thread.
Good work, dran. You used my investment in your writing to thoroughly troll me. Now I have a headache and don't want to play games with you any more.
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>>33765595
I heard, rumors and all, that he actually got fucking hospitalized for something.
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>>33765134
I'm not lying though.

>>33765146
>I guess explicitly say that there IS a way for her not to die? Not a whole lot better, I confess.
Sounds like you'd all be just as paranoid. But it might mean something as a matter of sentiment.

>>33765160
Economy of action. The rest of the "troopers" doing what they do, the [Kanto-City] part -was- pre-written. The essence of that part wouldn't have changed whether or not Marine was alive and I wanted Ceru and whoever else accompanying her there by this [Season End]

A lot was rushed to meet the deadline for Overhuman, admittedly. Wish called for the lack of prompts and the multiple skips.

>>33765183
I saw that, and after the decision was made I stuck to my guns and wrote what was going to happen.
Should I throw an arbitrary twist to what I was going to right to avoid being predicted?
Sometimes I do. But this is something that was going to happen if you went into the water against better judgement.

>>33765278
Not yet, ~ #20-30 Just finished the fear dragon thing.
Fucking feminism man.

As for SoL. I don't know. That's probably the type of thing that I find the dullest. I got pretty bored of it in the earlier AoPH.

>>33765336
IC, Marine would've chosen any of those proposed options. from an IC perspective, Marine did just fine in electrified water before and being put back in shouldn't phase her.
Part of the issue is the meta, another part the setting, and the last part splitting up the fight - again.

>>33765441
That could be arranged. I rather like him and his perspective. It was fun writing that last part in the last couple of days.

>>33765491
I can't do it. Not now anyway. I've got Overhuman coming up next week and I have to do some prewriting and mash out some new characters while preparing to flesh out the old ones more and fix Asher's generally polar attitude.
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>>33765569
he quit.

>>33765596
Probably job stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if just decided it wasn't worth it anymore though
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>>33765577
I don't know, I'd be pretty pissed at having the Dome decide the best solution was to make everyone forget about us, since that just seems like a tremendous waste of energy for no real gain that couldn't be gotten from making Cerulean and Marine symbols or whatever.

And the way the Dome really was destroyed, with Mew going into maximum overdouche would also have been irritating.
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>>33765618
>I can't do it. Not now anyway.
Then does that mean you'll do it when you start up again? It'd be a weight off my heart if you'd just straight out say that you will.
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>>33765570
>implying that he quit voluntarily
Proof or get out.
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>>33765618
>economy of action
That doesn't answer the question at all.
WHY do a prompt that is
>no wait, cancel previous prompt
?

There's no reason for this, and all it does is give the players more chance to fuck up their original plan.
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>>33765618
>I can't do it. Not now anyway.
Can we ACTUALLY discuss what will happen?

Prof. Bring back the dice and stop using the monster's level as an excuse. Just start giving bonuses for Cerulean's natural strengths and circumstantial bonuses (like having a boat and a full team). And rewrite the entire fight. Actually get all those other hunters involved in the action.
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>>33765618
>I'm not lying though
Yes, yes you are. And because you lie like this, people do not trust you.

IF PEOPLE ARE MAKING META-DECISIONS BECAUSE THEY THINK YOU WILL KILL THE CHARACTER, FUCKING ASSUAGE THEIR FEARS SO THEY MAKE IN CHARACTER DECISIONS.
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>>33765182
You want to know what would make people not think you're a liar? Not making important decisions that are blatantly able to generate any

This is like if you pulled out a weird coin; on one side is an ass with a face drawn on it and on the other side is a head with a tail pinned to it, and then you proceeded to say that we need to flip heads to not lose Marine. Everyone sits down and discusses which side they think is heads. Some say that that the assface is heads because it's a face. Some think that the tailhead is heads because it's got a head. Others think that assface is tails because it's got an ass and that's the tailend and others think that the tailface is tails because it has a literal tail on it.

So then you flip the coin and it lands on tailhead and you say it's tails and kill Marine. Everyone flips their shit and you say that if we'd picked assface, then she'd have totally lived and we can totally trust you to not lie to us about the results of a coinflip with a coin that had ambiguous sides tailor made for swindling.
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>>33765618
Yes, yes you should have.

Because what we predicted was that you're a hack.

Because you are one. And still a liar.
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>>33765618
>As for SoL. I don't know. That's probably the type of thing that I find the dullest. I got pretty bored of it in the earlier AoPH.

Yeah, SoL bores me after a bit too. But a lot anons here like your SoL. Maybe you just need a setting/premise that can hold your interest. Rosario vampire maybe? Monster boarding school where the MC or husbando/waifu npc is a human that got sent there by mistake?
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>>33765618
>>33765630
>>33765662
This as well. Please remove the "everyone had their memories erased" part. That's just so illogical. Everyone knows Rangers die on missions. We even had cadets die on the Viridian Wood test. This just doesn't make any sense.
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>>33765705
yeah what the fuck is up with that

there's huge plotholes with the mew and memory erasing things we didn't even START to get into because of outrage over marine.
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>>33765618
Prof, can you just address these posts?
>>33765640
>>33765662
>>33765705
Please just do it quickly and STAY on the screen to discuss thins.
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>>33765618
>That could be arranged. I rather like him and his perspective. It was fun writing that last part in the last couple of days.

Not the same guy but I would be interested in that change. It would be interesting to see what happens after all of this.
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>>33765618
>>33765705
Yeah, there wasn't any reason why the Dome would erase their memories. It's already happened before? Why would anyone need to forget that Rangers can die on missions?
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>>33765596
To be honest? I've had several headaches from you guys too.

I'm actually kind of lucid right now even as this is all breaking my heart. Which I'm sure you guys assume is pitch black.

>>33765640
I'll see about writing up an alternative ending on some of my free time. Hopefully one that's a bit more compelling.

>>33765695
I watched one episode of that and immediately noped out of it.
Reminded me of some weird inverse twilight.
I did like the hell out of Clannad though. Still need to watch the second part.

>>33765705
They were erased... Because the next batch of clones are getting readied. They lost a leader and an Elite Four candidate that they need to replace without questions asked by the others and the naturals.
They've had mind to erase Devon too but Giovanni's been resilient about that point.
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>>33765618
Prof, please don't reply with an excuse for these things
>>33765705
>>33765757
Just retcon it out entirely. Okay? Please trust the playerbase to know what makes a good story.

Also, bring back the dice.

>>33765776
Damn, too late. Retcon it out anyway.
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>>33765618
The thing is, Cerulean had in-character knowledge that Marine would be fine. But you deceptively wrote it as if Marine was in danger, and ignored all of that.

You set out to deceive your own audience and were aided by their own lack of trust in you.

This is quite possibly the worst thing a QM can do.
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>>33765705
>>33765727
Mediums can't contact us, which means we aren't dead.

The question is, why do they want to make our friends think we're non-existent?
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>>33765776
>I'll see about writing up an alternative ending on some of my free time. Hopefully one that's a bit more compelling.
Mmm.....please Prof, just forget about it? Just remove Marine's death entirely. Please. It's just so hard to actually like this again. Please Prof. I really need you to do this. Just take it out completely.

>I'm actually kind of lucid right now even as this is all breaking my heart.
Because it really does hurt, Prof. I've always thought of you as a friend, even if I'm just some random guy. And I just can't take this. Please.
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>>33765776
>rewriting things
>admitting fault
This can't be true. I don't believe it.

Anyway, I hope we get marine back for all these fucking dome psyker shenanigans we'll be having. Also, some explanation on why the hell the thing needed to wait for us to boat it there, when it had all our information about how to get to the dome from the start of our voyage.
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>>33765776
An alternate ending isn't good enough, since the biggest problem is Marine, which was just slimey on your part, even in the unlikely event that you're not lying.
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>>33765776
>I'll see about writing up an alternative ending on some of my free time. Hopefully one that's a bit more compelling.
Well I've given my piece on what you could do for the rewrite.
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>>33765776
>>33765822
Same here. It's really tearing me up inside to read all this. Please, for the sake of helping everything get better again, just retcon the death out entirely.

>Because the next batch of clones are getting readied. They lost a leader and an Elite Four candidate that they need to replace without questions asked by the others and the naturals.
>They've had mind to erase Devon too but Giovanni's been resilient about that point.

I actually like this plot point, Prof. It's reasonable and it's smart. But I really need you to remove Marine's death completely. It doesn't matter if you write it better now because it already hurts as a reminder of this thread.
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>>33765842
http://pastebin.com/mfGdFaca

I'll put it here, and tweet when it's updated.
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>>33765618
>I'm not lying though.
What >>33765681 said.

If you don't want people to think you're a liar, don't set up votes where either option can easily generate whatever outcome you want.

You could have EASILY killed her off if we'd trusted her.
>Oh, she got knocked out by the mast when the monster spun and drifted into your blizzard which encased her mouth and gills in Ice and she suffocated. If you'd stopped the blizzard, you wouldn't have killed Marine.
or
>Marine got her legs ripped off by the shit falling into the water or the monster slashing and biting around like crazy. She could have totally been gotten out of there, but you didn't dive in so she got finished off
or any number of other things. They're all just as likely as the monster suddenly deciding Ceru is PRIORITY TARGET and hyper beaming at her, forcing Marine to push her out of the way.

People didn't trust you and believed that you would make all the options result in death. There were zero meaningful indicators one way or the other which one was right and they were all equally likely to kill off Marine. People voted for the one that would make Ceru less of an uncaring asshole, and you made that one result in death.
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>>33765776
>I'll see about writing up an alternative ending on some of my free time. Hopefully one that's a bit more compelling.
YES THANK YOU! make marine survive and honestly try to improve your relation with us payers and I will forgive you, maybe the others will too
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>>33765776
Prof, here are the major issues that need to be fixed.
1: marine's death. She died because of blatant failures of QM trust, and would never have died if you allowed us to act on in-character information or answered our questions about "Wouldn't she be entirely OK since she has gills?".

2. dome plotholes. Why did the psychic need us to take them there? why didn't they just read our mind? why didn't they just teleport all the way to the dome? How can they teleport all the mythical birds but not themselves? How did they skip straight into the dome before we even breached the repel barrier?

3. actually 1 and 2 were the major ones.
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>>33765776
I hate to say it, but I really miss the dice.
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>>33765776
>I'll see about writing up an alternative ending on some of my free time. Hopefully one that's a bit more compelling.
You can't have Marine die, Prof. Please understand why without having us need to spell it out for you.

And the dice. PLEASE. Bring them back, okay? Just. Please PLEASE bring them back.
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>>33765909
I wish ygg knew how to do fair dice.

All the DCs were retarded high and relied upon 10 people rolling and hopefully getting a nat 20.
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>>33765776
>Hopefully one that's a bit more compelling.
Does that mean you still intend for Marine to die? That's not the point of a retcon, Dran. Please just tell us you won't have Marine killed. Please.
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>>33765891
>Serebyi's intervention

Sounds promising.

Alright, fine. I won't haunt you in Overlimit and Dead Last and try to kill both quests.

I'm still disappointed in all of this.
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>>33765905
>2. dome plotholes
The birds would be arriving just as the S.S. UltraMarine is nearing.

As for the need of the boat...
Mew is maliciously playful to a fault. It's not a perfect being, it only THINKS it is.

>>33765925
I'll rework the skillsystem to streamline on my part and then use the dice to count for the core stats with effectiveness and environmental bonuses.

>>33765935
I really don't know how to dice though.
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>>33765776
Prof, please don't leave us in the dark about this. Don't let Marine die, okay? Just don't. Can you reply and say it?
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>>33765895
Exactly.
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>>33765968
>I really don't know how to do dice though
I know, ygg. I know. I'm not actually mad about you on this point, I just wish you did.

My criticism based on what I remember of your dice systems: way too high a DC, way too many rolls to compensate on a die that was way too large.
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>>33765968
Prof, this.
>>33765972
Really need you to put this to rest, okay? It's been frustrating enough as is. Are you just rewriting things to make Marine's death "cooler" or are you taking it out entirely? The former is only acceptable the first time around, but never as a replacement for a screw-up.
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>>33765891
>http://pastebin.com/mfGdFaca
really? You need to Deus ex Machina this with Celebi telling Ceru/Seralana what to do? Just...careful with the implications that WHATEVER HAPPENS NEXT IS PURELY TO MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER AND COULD NO WAY HAVE HAPPENED FOR REAL.

I'm saying it now, because someone might say it later.
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>>33765972
>>33765950
It's called Serebyi's Intervention.

It doesn't really make sense to stop Marine dying one way and change that to her dying in a different way.
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>This Thread
>Expecting Sayaka NOT to die

Whelp, Serebyi's gonna do some
>Pic Related
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Honestly, the best way for marine to survive is for things to go exactly as they did before... except without the araki death confirmation.

We find marine on an island halfway to the dome.

Rockets blasting off again.
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>>33765776
>Which I'm sure you guys assume is pitch black.
I assume it's non-existent and this entire thread, or rather the entire quest, has been one big stream of troll threads designed to enrage people who like pokemon, SnK, Monhun, and questers in general because you hate them.

Nobody is fucking stupid enough to do this by accident. It's like some kind of internet Rube Goldberg machine of hate.
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>>33766002
He's gotta know that that wouldn't actually make anyone feel better right?
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>>33765968
>I really don't know how to dice though.
Return to the former system of rolling multiple dice. Contested dice would have a gap of 10 or more counted as a crit.

Use only ONE dice for the enemy. Have the players roll multiple dice. 7? Maybe increase that when tenacity reaches 20+ (add another dice for every additional 10 above 10 tenacity). The old system was fine.
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>>33766026
no the best way would be for her crash right into the boss' office
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>>33766026
I honestly don't know why so many people are immediately going for serebi, when things like this are available.

Or heck, just doing the original plan of "freeze the mouth hyperbeam shut"

>>33766058
That would only work, plotwise, if she landed RIGHT as we got there.
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>>33765968
>Mew is maliciously playful to a fault. It's not a perfect being, it only THINKS it is.
riiight. Well, if you deliberately decided on this beforehand...that's cheesy as fuck. Like, the most cheese you've ever done in this quest, and that's saying something.

If you're just backtracking, well...everyone probably thinks you're backtracking.
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>>33766072
naturally
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>>33766047
I would be perfectly fine if this happened.
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>>33766058
And breach the dome? That could be better than Mew sticking his nose in our biz?
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>>33766078
Of course he's backtracking. He does retarded shit and lies about it because that's what he does.
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>>33765968
This is good enough, Prof
>>33766047
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>>33766072
It's called Serebyi's Intervention, so logically, Serebyi is going to intervene.
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>>33766101
>>33766047
I'm not a fan of contested rolls, myself.

I like set DCs with a small die pool.
And sane DCs, not ones that require absolute high teir rolls.

Hell, ygg, do you know about "degrees of success"?

They're PERFECT for quests.
>>33765968
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>>33765968
You don't need to over-complicate the dice, Prof.

>>33766047
This. Just use this, alright? It's simple and quick. Remove dice when we'd just succeed anyway (so non-contested rolls), but otherwise, stick with this, okay?
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>>33766123
>I'm not a fan of contested rolls, myself.
It got especially worse when Dran started rolling MORE dice for the opponent. He should have just stuck to one dice.
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>>33766151
>>33766124
I have a hard time agreeing after Devon rolled a goddamn 19 at being an uncooperative bitch
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>>33766116
Well, I'm just here to remind that there are many ways marine could totally have survived.
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>>33765968
Try reading some light novels centered around fighting and adventure to improve your ability to write a fight.

Also, if you're still here, it would be good if you could just confirm whether or not Marine will die.
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>>33766078
I decided Mew's persona from thread ~5.

There was a plot thread that had him fucking with everyone pretty bad on a top secret rocket mission that could've happened.
Then nobody wanted to see espers ever again and I decided to switch directions some.

So, to spoil out a plot thread that can no longer occur...
Ceru, Goldie, and two others find an abandoned lab on some island off of the old cinnabar. Mew's lingering around there for shits as the team looks for some scraps of its genetic code for boss.

Goldie's head gets fucked with and starts to slowly go (more) insane.

The team finds a sample after fighting off the delusions and some real monsters, returning to the dome with Mew in tow.

Goldie breaks away from his mom and evolves into Alakazam, threatening dome security at once as an out of control esper. Mew's behind it all along. Just as daage control is completed and Goldie's sane again and Sabrina dead/alive. Mew summons up the harbingers of kanto's end-times.

>>33766200
Serebyi is pretty nice, even if she's trying not to pick a side.
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>>33766183
Like I said, I'm not a fan of contested rolls.
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>>33766183
We rolled close. What brought us down was the critical 1, which wouldn't be a critical anymore given the new system.

Then there's the idea of increasing the number of dice we can roll when our Tenacity is up. Although, we don't need to limit it to that. Have Charm increase the number of dice we can roll for Charm related acts and Tenacity for actions related to battle.
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>>33766212
damnit ygg, you could have had us get home fine and THEN did this. You would have had a much more satisfying end to the island arc -and- you would hold true to your "no more psychic bullshit on the islands" promise.
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>>33766212
>Serebyi is pretty nice, even if she's trying not to pick a side.
Could you just give a straight answer?

I've enjoyed being coy and fruity with you in the past, but the mood right now doesn't really allow for it. Just give a simple statement, okay? There's a lot of personal meaning in having someone be frank with you when you ask them to be.
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>>33766212
>no solid confirmation on marine, just a bit of a wink about how she COULD come out of it
You fill me with dread every time you make a post.
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>>33766212
>I decided Mew's persona from thread ~5.
First reaction was to call bullshit, but I can actually believe this somewhat.

...

Oh who am I kidding? You're just spewing more bullshit try to convince everybody that you didn't fuck things up as badly as you really did. Business as usual.

>There was a plot thread that had him fucking with everyone pretty bad on a top secret rocket mission that could've happened.
>Then nobody wanted to see espers ever again and I decided to switch directions some.
Did a genuine fucking spit-take. That you don't seem to understand what you just did is astounding.
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>>33766212
well, if mew's fucking with us, then mew's fucking with us.

Hopefully ceru is intelligent enough to recognize the major plotholes like "wait, why did it need to come all the way out here, couldn't it have just read my mind?" and "why did it even need me if it could just find the city repel or not?"

Ceru doesn't seem to be to blame here, even from her own perspective, and I don't want her blaming herself for this.
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>>33766212
That's a good plot thread.

What people were angry about was getting messed around with so much with Ni'Abras. He rolled a lot of criticals, he disabled our Evil moves, and our first attack did no notable damage to him (Crossroad Killing and he wasn't affected at all even after getting hit).

Then there's the mind reading. You should have allowed for us to roll to resist it.
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>>33766212
So Serebyi self-identifies as female, and Mew as male?

How about Jirachi, Manaphy, and Victini?
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>>33766212
so...you never intended to have Dome hunts. Ever. Now that's just disappointing.

As for the plot itself...it's actually okay, if you just had the goddamn Esper powerlevel chart before such a thing happens.
The problem with "espers are bullshit" is that we never knew how strong any fresh esper could be. Special case for Goldie, who would have gone from literally teleport and telepathy only to a goddamn Alakazam.

This frustrates the players in a way that is not IC at all, because THEY should know, either from common knowledge or ranger classes against esper pokemon.
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>>33766212
Go read the last half of HQR. Make sure to read all of the player posts, they're important to this lesson.

Once you've done that, you should be absolutely exasperated by how paranoid everyone is about Loki.

It's going to be a million times worse than that with Mew. You have no idea what you did to yourself by making this kind of character a central antagonist in a quest.
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>>33766319
it was really refreshing when he got hammered down though.
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>>33766319
I hope there is a plot thread to help seraph develop psy-blockers at some point.

Because goddamn, we need brain implants to interrupt psychic control so bad.
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>>33766338
He's not dead yet and even if he did die for real, everyone would think it was just a ruse.

Even the last thread had people freaking out about how a thing that happened must have been Loki fucking with us and they adamantly voted against attacking the moon guy when he was the only thing we could have reasonably done at the time.
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>>33766212
>>33766319
Yeah....you also don't really know how to handle mind reading very well, Prof. You should have just relegated it to surface thoughts (like with Aura) or having in-depth readings only possible when someone is tired and defeated. Don't bring it up otherwise.

Don't introduce complicated mechanics like mind reading unless you're smart enough to use it well. A story's depth is limited by the writer's ability.
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>>33766319
If he should take anything away from HQR its how to both write a great fight and incorporate player ideas into those fights
>>33766212
can we please get a simple yes/no about whether marine will survive. please
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>>33766212
Look i don't give a fuck. I haven't given a fuck about anything you posted since you killed Marine off. I cant get invested again after something like that. That was horrible.

I cannot get invested in any of your characters because i cannot trust that they will be there in the next thread. All you had to do to end the Islands arc was get everyone to Kanto intact. THEN you could have Mew pull whatever psychic bullshit you wanted it to. Hell if you are going to kill off a main character, then AT LEAST MAKE THE DEATH SOMETHING THAT WILL STICK WITH THE QUEST!! MAKE IT MEANINGFUL. If you off them like candy your player wont trust or care about anything you do in the future.

What makes it worse is the fact that you actually killed her off when we were trying to save her. I was heavily invested in Marines story. I enjoyed her as a character, she was a good best friend. MAKE HER DEATH NEVER HAVE HAPPENED, YOU PRICK! I really don't care whatever else you do. Do fucking not kill off the only reasons i have for following this quest, ESPECIALLY not in such a horribly worthless manner Dran.
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>>33766319
the fuck are you talking about their is no one named loki in HQR
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>>33766396
The other HQR.
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>>33766367
>If he should take anything away from HQR its how to both write a great fight and incorporate player ideas into those fights
There are times when Prof really should have just forgotten about how he'd think an action would play out and met the players' expectations, yeah. Fun and keeping the excitement going is important for writing battles, in lieu of writing a "puzzle fight". Since "puzzle fights" require a lot more effort and Prof just doesn't seem to be up to it.
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>>33766367
>>33766254
>>33766257
>Marine still dies
>Seralana communes with her
>fusion dance
>Seralana gets a third personality
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>>33766396
Are you one of the people who still think HQR stands for Hero Quest or are you one making a joke about Loki being in jail now in Hollow Quest?
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>>33766212
Well, it's not like I think
>>33766411
would happen, but I do have other scenarios in my mind. It would be good to have an honest confirmation of whether or not Marine lives, Dran.
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>>33766411
I'd prefer a living marine, myself.
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>>33766200
What light novels would you recommend?
Tried out my local library but I couldn't find anything suitably adventury and actiony with wither modern fantasy or anything else that had some parallels.

And even so, I still need to work on the engagement of decisions.

>>33766257
>>33766254
You're getting your sayaka back

>>33766313
>>33766308
>>33766282
Well if you guys'd want to play it despite knowing, I could try to figure out a way to angle it in the retcon.

Though the biggest problem would probably the reaction of the dome after what they're doing along with the arrival of "Outsiders." Well, could be fun to write.

And so the Island arc would end without any additional esper BS.

But- then it would be the occasional Mew antics and so forth and an astronomical possibility of finding Eubrana and getting them involved.

>>33766312
Kind of dipped out a bit on gen 4, but Jirachi wouldn't really have a gender identity considering how long it sleeps between wishes.
Manaphy, i'll need to look up its relevance.
Victini... I'm not even sure where it'd fit in all this yet.
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>>33766408
Prof writes puzzle fights like the puzzle is a massive polkadot blanket and there's wrong pieces that still fit mixed in with it but you can't tell because it's all just fucking dots everywhere.
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>>33766420
never heard of hollow quest before
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>>33766439
No no no, you can't do the same scenario now that we know.

You have to change it enough that we don't know! Also you already blew your mew load!

Have something entirely unrelated when we visit cinnibar labs. Like paras zombies.
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>>33766450
Hollow Quest Redux is older than Hero Quest and was being called HQR before HQ came around.
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>>33766439
>Though the biggest problem would probably the reaction of the dome after what they're doing along with the arrival of "Outsiders." Well, could be fun to write.
....Prof. Dude. What. That's the whole goddamn POINT. That's what people want to read about, damnit, not legendaries fucking everything up.
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>>33766465
>Like paras zombies.
That's possibly even worse than mew.
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>>33766465
Oh FUCK no. If there's one thing I want to see less than espers, it's paras.
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>>33766485
that's why I picked them, ygg.
They're an absolutely horrible thing.

Hopefully, though, we can wear masks or something to not get infected. As otherwise that would just be quest end right there.
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>>33766439
>You're getting your sayaka back
THANK YOU FOR FINALY BEING DIRECT WITH US and for admitting to a mistake and fixing it. That took a lot of guts as a QM to own up to that mistake and give the players what they deserved to see happen. Progress Dran, you might have just made some about getting that trust back.
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>>33766485
How about fossilized pokemon?

Though maybe have someone other than Ceru and Marine be in charge because all the ancient pokemon are part rock.
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>>33766498
>>33766439
yeah, I actually feel really good about prof agreeing to a small retcon, and thus admitting some mistake.

My headache is still here, but emotionally I feel better.

The headache won't leave for like 12 hours regardless of what I do.
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>>33766439
Jirachi was gen 3
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>>33766506
>>33766485
>>33766494
I was actually pretty psyched about paras, but the idea of getting into fossilized pokemon and JURRASSIC PARK STYLE RAPTOR/KABUTOPS CHASES just really gets me hard.
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>>33766439
>You're getting your sayaka back
Alright. Good. Still a pretty fruity response, but it's straight and clear enough for me.

>Eubrana
I always thought Eubrana would become relevant again.

>But- then it would be the occasional Mew antics
As long as there are ways to avoid simply getting our mind fucked, that's good.

There's no real problem about revealing plot points. I personally enjoy the reactions and interactions of the characters.

>What light novels would you recommend?
To be honest, I can't really recommend any right at this moment since most of the CURRENT LNs I read are untranslated. So unless you can read Japanese, I can't really bring to mind anything appropriately recent.
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>>33766439
not the same guy and I can't really vouch for the series but I can cough up some links for Raildex LN/mango/etc if you'd like


http://www.mediafire.com/raildexstuff
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>>33766485
>>Though the biggest problem would probably the reaction of the dome after what they're doing along with the arrival of "Outsiders." Well, could be fun to write.
THIS! I've been running this scenario through my head for weeks and it's such a great plot point. So much more interesting than mew bringing down heaven's wrath on the dome. Although the wrath thing is cool I really think It should have come into play after we get to the dome so we can have those reunions.
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>>33766439
>You're getting your sayaka back

Well i feel significantly better Dran. Thank you. Please do not kill off a fan favorite like that again.

Also a tip. If you really feel that a character that people love and hang out with all of the time needs to die, then please make the death WORTH something to the overall plot. Like make it a part of a heroic sacrifice that helps us win the day and destroy the bad guys.

Don't just have them get axed for no reason.
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>>33766482
I didn't know. I heard a lot of screaming about not having them at the dome and dropping them off elsewhere and there's still the fact that Ceru might know too much at this point for the Silph President' satisfaction.

I honestly read almost every one of your posts and it's hard to sift through absolutely everything coherently. It's why at a point I start filtering, tuning out, picking out parts of what I can do, and so forth.

There's a lot to take in and the oversaturation is hard to work through, run the quest, and keep up with my actual life.

>>33766521
I know. But Jirachi is also asleep for 500~ years or so. Can't think anything like that has much of a personality.

>>33766550
Well the outsiders suddenly showing up on a fuckhuge repel-tech enabled ship would actually have a pretty good reception if it saved them from disaster.
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>>33766584
Well, it was to save Ceru.

But I see what you're saying.
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Here's one way that would make the Dome Breaking okay to me.

After shattering the Dome, Mew and the Legendary Birds just straight up leave, leaving the Repel generators strong enough to keep the wildlife at bay.

Because their goal wasn't to kill everyone, but to make sure no one could hide from the judgment of Arceus.

By which I mean, "making sure everyone gets mutated into an inhuman state by the M-Virus"

That puts things at more of a slow burn than outright devastation.
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>>33766591
I'm not so into either the legendaries OR the outsiders meeting the dome myself.

I've been waiting for reunions. That's my hot ticket. Whether before or after the dome is destroyed doesn't matter a huge amount.

I would hammer on about slice of life and days off, but apparently you don't like writing that so I can't really suggest it any more.
It -is- one of your strengths though.
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>>33766591
Eh, I'll actually trust your judgment about what to do with the Dome and stuff.

>>33766604
I'm just gonna trust you get the differences.
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>Fuck up so bad it looks like the entire 60 threads is trolling.
>Damage control after and everything gets civil. The mad vitriolic playerbase is gone.

It's like watching live art.
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>>33766546
>Raildex
Look, I like Mikoto and all, but is Raildex really what he needs?

>>33766591
>I didn't know. I heard a lot of screaming about not having them at the dome and dropping them off elsewhere and there's still the fact that Ceru might know too much at this point for the Silph President' satisfaction.
In this case, it's discussed because it is a relevant thing and something to work around, instead of destiny conspiring to never have us deal with the issue.

alright, fine. Like >>33766618 said, I'm really in this for the Ranger life and Dome hunts. We'd deal with the Silph conspiracies just for that.
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>>33766439
Alright. Now that things are settling. I like that you're being more open right now, Prof. I didn't enjoy the QM vs Players mentality these past threads. It's better to try and get into the mindset of being a collaborator in the story. As players, we respond to the situations you set up, but as the QM, you also need to respond to the desires and expectations the readers have set up.
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>>33766644
but I'm one of the guys who was mad, and I'm civil now because of the damage control.

It's actually quite easy to make me not mad.
Much harder to remove the headache.
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>>33766644
>The mad vitriolic playerbase is gone.
Yes, because they've given up, and rightly so.
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>>33766546
Other guy who brought it up initially here.

>>33766645
Agreeing with this guy. I like Index and its side-series, buuuuut....I wouldn't put it up as an example. For THIS kind of story, anyway.
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>>33766498
>>33766514
I don't feel better because I know he's just going to lie to us about something again.

We all know that Marine having any chance of survival was an outright falsehood. Prof was going to kill her and say the other option was right no matter what we did.

He's a malicious manipulator and he's only caving on this because of this outpouring of hate was probably one of the largest in quest history and could have gotten worse and killed his other quests if he didn't cave. Mark my words, he will lie and twist and wheedle situations into bullshit conclusions and if he thinks he can get away with it then, you will see no concessions or admittance of wrongdoing. Hell, he still hasn't even admitted that he did wrong. All he's done is begrudgingly agree to give Marine back while staring at an angry mob.

His post >>33766604 shows that he still doesn't get it at all and is trying to make excuses. He's like a snake wearing a suit. There's nothing in there.
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>>33766645
hey, its the only light novels I have links of. he doesn't have to read 'em if he doesn't want to.

the franchise has a habit of sharkjumping but there are cool ideas here and there between the BS
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>>33766609
THAT...would be cool too. The problem is that Ceru would still angst about THIS IS ALL MY FAULT, while Devon goes NOT IMPORTANT EVERYONE IS A TRAITOR, and everyone will want to play Devon until Ceru gets over it.
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>>33766644
We'll be back to our old state of mind if he fucks up again.
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>>33766687
Ceru should just not fall for mew's troll.
that would avoid all the "this is all my fault" plotpoints if someone points out, and she understands, that it was doing all that to fuck with her and didn't need to at all.
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>>33766680
It's....a small step, for sure. A really small step since he's not writing it out, but just having some other character intervene to change it all. But I'm a little hopeful. Even if Dran is still too prideful to say he's made a mistake, he's starting to respond more to what people are asking of him.
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>>33766706
>>33766687
I just don't really want to see Ceru get into a "angsty MC" phase. It's almost never done satisfactorily; current writers are just too heavy-handed and disconnected with their readers. It's like, fucking tsunderes. The first time they came up? I liked them. But too many writers think that it's okay to raise up the "tsun" to abusive levels.
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>>33766746
we've got enough to angst about with the dome falling, without thinking we're to blame.
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>>33766644
That's the magic of a retcon, anon.
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>>33766746
Cerulean isn't angsty but I'm pretty sure she's legit depressed.

Also so traumatized she's developed a hostile splinter personality.
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>>33766774
yeah, that's not the best.
I think our ranger training is falling apart without regular psychic maintenance.
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>>33766644
He waited until we were already tired and most had left.

And I think some of us are still wary.

But yeah, I don't think anyone is going to chase him across his other quests like the furies of yore, so you can count that as a win in his book.
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>>33766651
I lost my way at some point. I used to always believe that I knew who I was writing for and worked with that.

I've been a bit selfish and withdrawn lately to be honest. And indeed, there's been a player-QM disconnect. Started with my fucking up on numerous point. But then it continued with the incessant outcry at every further hint of it making me more withdrawn to the point that I put up a wall of silence and just keep droning on writing with you guys making decisions with hardly any word from my point.

I still don't want to hold hands, 'cause that's 2lewd4me.
But I do want to talk to you guys. I used to have fun doing that.

But then I'm told to shut up and I do it. Then I'm told to talk and I'm just not willing to open up my heart again.
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>>33766678
morally questionable science and leaders, keikaku everywhere, action teens with powers.

I think Prof could probably get something out of it.
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>>33766714
It's not about pride. This is all about control. A person who is prideful would not produce something like this. They would take pride in their work and not write this trash.

He set out to make everyone upset, got them way more pissed than he'd planned, and realized that he needs to make some small concessions if he wants to continue to hurt them in the future.
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>>33766774
>>33766788
>Also so traumatized she's developed a hostile splinter personality.
>I think our ranger training is falling apart without regular psychic maintenance.
I don't think you understand. Giovanni DELIBERATELY creates Rocket Mode, and you're considered graduated from trainee status when Rocket Mode is permanently on(or in Devon's case, when Giovanni says he's ready).
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>>33766796
it's a simple lack of trust/ outcry and resentment feedback loop. It's got to be broken on both sides.
I'll try to provide in-character tactically sound choices, but you have to make it not seem like you are going to use them as a trap option.

That's the only reason I wasn't hammering on blizzard and arguing hard for it, for instance.
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>>33766796
Don't bother. You're scum. Just go write a fucking novel or something.
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>>33766796
>But then I'm told to shut up and I do it. Then I'm told to talk and I'm just not willing to open up my heart again.
Why were you told to "shut up"? If you're talking about the times when people have told you to shut up and write the update, then they were probably being playful about their impatience. That or they were feeling terse with you, depending on how stressful the situation was.

No one wants you to confuse people. No one wants to feel scared to make any decisions. It's alright to talk and just chat in general, but if you're going to make a comment about the current situation, it's better to try and be reassuring. Don't try to act antagonistic.

At this point, it still doesn't seem like you're willing to completely own up to any mistakes, but let's just put that aside for now. Just try to be diplomatic about criticisms and show that you're willing to accept and try to change from them.
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>>33766838
nah. Rocket mode is pretty blatantly faulty and unable to complete simple objectives outside of basic survival, and even then fails enormously due to lacking simple tactics.

It's an error in rocket training, not the goal.
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>>33766838
No, I don't think you understand. Marine doesn't have anything like that going on in her head.

The reason Rocket Mode Cerulean is insane and makes no sense is because it's not supposed to exist.

It was created to deal with the vast trauma and strain that comes from the Cadet training process, and then it absorbed the memories that Sabrina erased, and probably Ni'Aras's programming, compounded with the vicious insincts we got from Crytten, which is really just a nasty beast.
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>>33766857
I'm working off what Prof vaguely confirmed back in the Q&A session, which was directly after Nar-kage. I could be outdated, and Prof may not have been specific enough.

It's also possible that Rocket Mode isn't complete, which is why its an idiot.
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>>33766796
People became terse with you the more liberties you took with the story. Stop trying to control every action and thought our character has. No one wants you to use "but it's IC" as an excuse after you manhandle us to get to that point. Stop "stacking the odds" against us all the time. All that does is let you control the flow of battle and prevent us from actually acting until you decide to bring in a deus ex machina.
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>>33766796
thanks for opening up and noticing the growing gap Dran, now things actualy have the chance to improve, the story could get more fun, we as players could feel like players again instead of spectators. and you can be our friend instead of the liar that many of us were afraid you had become.
I was thinking that I had had enough with this quest after losing marine but it looks like you finaly listened to your playerbase when shit hit the fan.
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>>33766855
Anon, I've been saying that I fucked up.
How is that not admitting to fault?

That said, I was told to shut up and accused of influencing decisions in the way that I wanted them to go.

So I stopped talking.

>>33766879
Marine wasn't in the program long enough.
It's a mix of dealing with trauma and becoming Gio's lapdog.
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>>33766799
Which is why I don't recommend it for him. I don't think he can handle it himself.
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>>33766879
yeah. It seems like a ceru-unique package of trauma, mental programming from psykers, and pokemon instincts.

>>33766886
The reason rocket mode isn't complete is because it is supposed to be a -part- of us. That's why it fails at all higher reasoning, tactical, and judgement issues.

We're supposed to be able to do all the rocket mode stuff at the drop of a hat without interfering with our base personality. That it cordoned off into a separate thing means it is malfunctioning.
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>>33766898
There's influencing decisions how you want them to go, and then there's clearing up player apprehensions and questions.

Besides, people got angry this thread about you influencing decisions. That's what they claim the second
>wait, don't blizzard?
prompt was about.
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>>33766796
Dran let me say this. You are a good writer. I loved every single moment we had adventuring with Marine, even if your combat writing could use a bit of work, the character interactions are clearly your strongest point, because they are made of solid gold. The characters that you have written keep me invested in this quest. Its why i am so angry about Marine's pointless death.

Like i said earlier, if you want to continue to pull this Esper horseshit over on us, Honestly as long as awesome stuff happened i really wouldn't care. I was only mildly irritated with the CRITS HAX in the Ni'Aras fight, but that's the dice and shit happens. I didn't care during the Tentacruel fight because well, we tried something stupid based upon our own faulty understanding of the situation.

Killing off MArine like that was just mean spirited. If she really had to die, or has to die at some point because the universe hates her, then make her death meaningful.
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>>33766898
>Anon, I've been saying that I fucked up.
You actually haven't said that. There's a difference between saying you'll do something and directly saying that you've made a mistake.

>So I stopped talking.
Well, if this any indication
>>33766892
People still think you're manipulative.

Just remember what I said
>No one wants you to confuse people. No one wants to feel scared to make any decisions. It's alright to talk and just chat in general, but if you're going to make a comment about the current situation, it's better to try and be reassuring. Don't try to act antagonistic.
Stop making comments or prompts that would make people doubt their decisions. You're free to comment to help out and reinforce ideas, but no one wants you breaking down their ideas.
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>>33766952
well, you're allowed to break down ideas that factually won't work.

Like that radio thing. "can we radio?" should be immediately responded to with "no, it was in the mouthpiece you lost"
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>>33766939
>I didn't care during the Tentacruel fight because well, we tried something stupid based upon our own faulty understanding of the situation.
Okay, if you're going to open up that can of worms again...

>>33766796
Prof. That Tentacruel thing was retarded. Not SHOOTING the leader was retarded. You took away too much player agency there. You can't defend yourself at all since you admitted that you were just initially going to drop everyone down below so that they'd be forced to fight all the monsters in close combat.
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>>33766898
>trauma and lapdogness
Yep. It seems like our heavy duty training fucked up and made a splinter personality.

We were already super devoted to giovanni, it's just the horrible training that got locked away in our repression vault formed its own idea of how to be devoted to him.
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>>33766898
>Anon, I've been saying that I fucked up.
No, you haven't. You've begrudgingly agreed to retcon something that pissed off people so badly that several were swearing vengeance upon your other quests and many more were just pissed off.

You didn't admit fault. You didn't say you did something wrong. You played this like a kid who is only apologizing because he got caught and it all came off as INCREDIBLY ingenuine and nearly as manipulative as your actions that led to this point.
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>>33766972
That's called nitpicking, anon.

>>33766939
>>33766986
I agree with this. You can't really excuse the Tentacruel scenario either. It's the same kind of mistake as this one was.
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>>33766893
I'm still not lying about Marine though.
I had in mind for her to die but I included two options that had her living to be fair.

>>33766931
Like many times before, I put prompts up when something significant in the situation changes, or at least when I feel that they're more significant.

Suddenly the thing is on its back and out of primary Blizzard targetting with most of its body underwater along with marine.
I'd feel weird if I didn't do that.

>>33766939
It's nice of you to say that, and I'll make sure a death is more memorable.

Now where to put that atomic-powered Godzilla-grade hyperbeam...

>>33766915
Another eloquent way of putting it.
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>>33766986
can we not talk about that again. we might have finaly made some progress today in improving the quality of our QM, we don't need to dredge that up again, there are already like three threads dedicated to that
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>>33767000
>that's called nitpicking
How so?
I think it's kind of super important for my dumb ideas to be told "no, you don't have 10 ft rope" when I suggest tying them up with our handy rope. So I can vote for something else.
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>>33767004
>I had in mind for her to die but I included two options that had her living to be fair.
Prof, please stop defending yourself here. Look. You're not going to win. No one trusted you to not twist some way for her to die in the other options. You can't even SAY that there's a 100% that there's no scenario where she'd die in those other options.

You wrote the scene. You also should have known people begrudged you. Please stop trying to defend yourself right after everyone has calmed down. PLEASE admit you fucked up instead of defending your decisions.
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>>33767014
I actually agree that it's kind of nitpicking. I'd rather reinforce ideas that work rather than damage control the ones that don't. That can become tedious.
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>>33767010
Yeah I'm good with letting bygones be bygones, since I will admit that on some level it's impressive he hasn't given up under the weight of our discontent.
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>>33767004
>I included two options that had her living to be fair
which options were those? Not mad just curious how the rewrite will turn out I guess
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>>33767004
Prof. Don't EVER reply to anons like
>>33766939
If you ever intend to let things settle down. No one likes the Tentacruel thing. It was a dumb idea in the first place and your first huge fuck-up.

>Anon, I've been saying that I fucked up.
It's even counter-intuitive to this statement you just said. PLEASE don't act like you've actually apologized and go back to defending all your horrible ideas. God. Stop being so fucking frustrating.
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>>33767004
yeah, but adjusting combat granularity and prompts is a way of influencing players. It can greatly change their decisionmaking.
Be aware of this, and consider the effects your prompts and the situation you describe will have on the players and their battleplans. Having more prompts in combats for smaller actions is a good thing, sometimes, but at other times just opens the players for additional mistakes.

If this sounds kind of nebulous, it is. There's significant room for shooshy-wooshy I-like-you-don't preference nonsense here.

Entirely unrelated
>Another eloquent way of putting it.
Hah, I knew I was right with my mad theories
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Its beautiful when civility wins out
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>>33767061
Only because the vitriol is waiting.
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>>33766898
I know it's silly and it's been voted on for god knows how many times but can we just be friends with the bird? We have only been gone for about a month or so so I still find it hard to believe that a person can be swayed that way when they are thinking about all their friends back home.

It's just annoyed me this entire time.
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>>33767039
He's taking it back. The best we can do is just accept it and be ready to remind him what happened last time should he seem to do something similar.
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>>33767010
>can we not talk about that again.
Sure. If
>>33766939
hadn't brought it up and tried to defend it. It was god damn awful. WHY was it stupid not to shoot the leader immediately? Huh? When the humans were being used as hostages?

Fuck Prof for ever thinking that "the monsters would go berserk without their leader and target us first instead of the nearby hostages" is actually a reasonable excuse. Fuck you for continuing to defend him. Fuck HIM for never apologizing.
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>>33767042
While I feel telling people with ideas that factually are impossible they won't work is important, I agree reinforcing ideas and thought paths that would work is more important.
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>>33767086
It's nitpicking because that's not what I was talking about at all. It's irrelevant.
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>>33767004
>>33767056
See
>>33765301
Stop replying to people who defend your mistakes. It's horrible, especially right after you were admitting that you fucked up (without ever saying you fucked up before that point).
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>>33767004
>I'm still not lying about Marine though.
>I had in mind for her to die but I included two options that had her living to be fair.
This is exactly what people are talking about when they say you aren't admitting fault and saying what you fucked up.

You haven't learned shit. This was your biggest fuckup yet and you still assert that you did nothing wrong.

Your "options that had her living" are meaningless because they could have easily resulted in her death and there was not any indication that they wouldn't. You haven't even listed a single reason as to how it wasn't just a guessing game, because you can't, which makes it look worse and worse for you every time you try to say that you weren't lying.
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>>33767004
And now you've gone back to how you were before.
>>33767115
STOP DEFENDING YOURSELF.

Do you know what the entire premise of your statement is? That we TRUSTED you at that point to actually be fair and logical. When, TIME after TIME, you betrayed that expectation and forced people into playing safe. No one can guess what YOU want to happen, so all anyone can do is hope for the best and try not to overextend.

LEARN WHAT THE FUCK YOU DID WRONG AND ADMIT THAT YOU DID IT.
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>>33767136
Pretty much every time we've overextended, we've gotten punished for it, now that I think of it.
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>>33767004
>I had in mind for her to die but I included two options that had her living to be fair.
Well....as
>>33767115
Put it, that's not reassuring at all. You know that con trick where a guy puts a coin under one of 3 cups? The one where they can switch the coin out to any other cup they want? That's this exact situation. But you're making the absurd claim that there were coins under 2 of the 3 cups.

>>33767151
Which is why creativity has died and no one really suggests any actions anymore. Prof needs to learn how to read the mood and remove all these "trap" choices.
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>>33767004
FUCK YOU PROF. I'm TRYING to fucking forgive you, but you KEEP making these shitty and conceited statements. When will you actually learn?
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>>33767193
Should i just shut up again?
Because it's catch 22 again.
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>>33767004
>I totally wasn't trying to force her death because the only option I tied her death to was the "Abandon your friends" option!
Seriously, Prof, you're not stupid enough for us to believe that you didn't know exactly what you're doing.

>Person A asks Person B to guess what number he's thinking, it's 1 through 3
>Person A has a history of lying about shit and kicking people in the nuts because they think it's awesome
>Person B guesses 1
>Person A kicks B in the nuts and says that he was thinking about 2 and 3 and saying either would have resulted in not kicking nuts
>Person B accuses A of bullshit
>Person A says he's totally not lying!
What do you think of person A, Prof? Do you think they're telling the truth?
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>>33767220
Prof.
>I'm still not lying about Marine though.
Shut up when you're thinking of defending yourself. That's all you need to do. You can have pleasant talks with your players, but if they call you out on a mistake, stop trying to lie to them.

Especially since you said you were apologizing for your fuck ups right here.
>>33766898
>Anon, I've been saying that I fucked up.
The fact that you said
>I'm still not lying about Marine though.
Shows that you were insincere about saying that you've fucked up (which you haven't actually said).
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>>33767220
Lines of communication are important.
he's just angry because you claim you were planning for marine to die, but had two living options.
It requires quite a lot of the already tenuous trust to not think you might be running a shellgame on us.
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>>33767220
You could always calm him down by admitting your mistakes another time or so. Y'know, actually give him a straight answer.

Another opportunity to build player trust, Ygg.
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>>33767169
>You know that con trick where a guy puts a coin under one of 3 cups? The one where they can switch the coin out to any other cup they want? That's this exact situation. But you're making the absurd claim that there were coins under 2 of the 3 cups.
This is exactly what it's like.
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>>33767220
Prof, can you reply to this?
>>33767250
What EXACTLY did you think you were "apologizing" for?

Look, it's great that you've made an effort to make up for your mistake, but you're just committing a back step right here. You admit you made a mistake? And then you defend that it was reasonable and logical?
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>>33767220
Prof. Before this thread 404s, just apologize. Okay? If you really want to solidify any peace between you and the players, please apologize for saying
>I'm still not lying about Marine though.
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this fucking playerbase man...
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>>33767220
How do I say this?
>I'm still not lying about Marine though
means that you don't think you did anything wrong.

What everyone is trying to say is that the way you wrote it feels as if it manipulates us into abandoning our friends. So the point is: It doesn't matter whether you were lying or not, you fucked up on delivery.
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>>33767220
Yeah, okay.
>>33767300
I'm good with this. Apologize and I'll drop it. Just don't ever try and rationalize your decisions to us.

>>33767169
>You know that con trick where a guy puts a coin under one of 3 cups? The one where they can switch the coin out to any other cup they want? That's this exact situation. But you're making the absurd claim that there were coins under 2 of the 3 cups.
Since this is the exact claim you've kept making to us for a while now.
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>>33767319
it's amazing how consistently you manage to be both more vitriolic AND more passive aggressive than them.
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>>33767300
I can't because I'm not.
If I was I'd own up to it.
But I could say that I'm a half-black male right now and you guys wouldn't believe me.

I'm shutting up. Going to bed. I'll try to update the retcon sometime in the next 2 weeks. I'll post it on the AoPH twitter.
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>>33767335
Oh, and forgot to include
>and ashamed of my nigger blood.
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>>33767335
See you eventually, I hope, then.
A lot can happen in a few months. Hopefully nothing that severely interrupts your life and questing habits.

And don't think you should always clam up. It's important that you talk with players.
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>>33767335
>You know that con trick where a guy puts a coin under one of 3 cups? The one where they can switch the coin out to any other cup they want? That's this exact situation. But you're making the absurd claim that there were coins under 2 of the 3 cups.
Does this not actually make sense to you? Or apply to your situation?

Do you have ANY reply to it?

If you were honest about what you're saying, then apologize for the way you set up the situation. Okay? Apologize for all your actions that caused us to lose trust in you.
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>>33767335
>>33767350
and the cycle continues. This is the problem with text-only conversations
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>>33767335
g'night, hopefully things get less salty over hiatus
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>>33767357
A retcon is enough of an apology for me.
A guy can say he's sorry without outright flat apologizing, and save a large degree of pride.
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>>33767335
Then if you're not going to apologize for it, APOLOGIZE for all the shit you've put us through. APOLOGIZE ONCE. Because you haven't actually admitted that you made a mistake.
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>>33767370
He tried, and then some anons failed to break it.
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>>33767379
The retcon is his apology.

I'd rather not get him defensive to the point where he takes it back.

He's not going to admit he made missteps in the past, we just have to pay attention to when it looks like he's going to make a similar misstep in the future, and make sure he's aware of it.
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>>33767386
Keep sucking that cock, anon. So dignified.

Especially right after he said
>Anon, I've been saying that I fucked up.
>How is that not admitting to fault?
>I'm still not lying about Marine though.
>I had in mind for her to die but I included two options that had her living to be fair.
And ignored
>You know that con trick where a guy puts a coin under one of 3 cups? The one where they can switch the coin out to any other cup they want? That's this exact situation. But you're making the absurd claim that there were coins under 2 of the 3 cups.

He hasn't admitted to any fault at all and is still lying barefaced to everyone.
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>>33767335
If you weren't lying, tell us what we were supposed to see at the time of the vote that indicate that saving Marine was the death option. Tell us what you could point to after the fact and say "this thing right here. See this? This showed that she had it.". Point to the thing that showed the other two would have resulted in living.

POINT TO THE THING THAT SHOWS IT WASN'T POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO LIE, BE CAUSE JUST REPEATING "TRUST ME!" LIKE A FUCKING PARROT DOESN'T WORK.
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>>33767386
He didn't try at all if he just immediately went back to it.
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>>33767418
what the fuck would she have died from in the water?

she has gills
she was shock proof

tell me
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>>33767335
All you're doing is telling us to "trust" you. Which is one of the major issues here that you seem to have forgotten about. We CAN'T trust you until you start being more open. Until you STOP punishing our logical, rational decisions.

If all you ever do is listen to the people who reassure you that you're right, then this is going to repeat itself again and again. Read the players' posts. Read their reasoning. Apply it to the story and forget about how you think the situation would play out.
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>>33767432
the giant monster.
Or freezing.
Which is what option A and B left her open to.
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>>33767432
The ice from our Blizzard could have trapped her. The monster in its death throes could have bitten her in half or something.

We didn't really have any plausible reason to think she was in danger, but more a lot of implausible ones, which means that this whole thing is impossible to settle.
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>>33767432
One option would have her die from our Blizzard. The other would have her die from the monster's thrashing.

This was ALREADY stated before. That you're asking for it shows that you never actually read any of the posts. Is the only thing that registers in your mind the complaints against Prof?
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>>33767432
Maybe the giant monster flailing around? Or all of the projectiles getting shot from the boat into the water? Or maybe the huge mast? Or maybe the monster decided it wanted to be spiteful when it put its head under and had bitten down on Marine and we needed to shoot it to get her out before it broke the shell? Or maybe the waves from the monster diving again pushed her into our Blizzard area of effect and started freezing her? Or maybe any number of things?
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and now we're back to the shitstorm, right when we were making some progress too. I really hope Prof has already gone to bed because if he sees shit like this we might loose our marine retcon
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are we gonna hit 900 posts?
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>>33767432
Do you really think Ygg couldn't have fabricated a reason? All of the things listed by
>>33767445
>>33767456
>>33767457
>>33767462
were just as plausible as the "final fuck you" hyper beam that she died to when we tried to save her.
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>>33767469
Even though I agree, I'm gonna have to second this.

We need to just let it go, we've already got more than expected, so we shouldn't be greedy.
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>>33767469
>>33767492
No chance of that happening. At all. So feel free to continue chewing Ygg out.
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>>33767492
Dran is just going to keep doing this if he doesn't understand what he did.
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>>33767511
Nah, he might not understand what he did wrong, but he knows people didn't like it, so he's going to avoid doing it in the future.

That's the best we're gonna get.

Bullying him at this point will only risk losing what we've won.
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>>33767556
It's impossible to lose anything except to have him drop it all entirely. Which I'm fine with at this point. The prospect of a retcon is nice and all, but if Prof is going to continue to make an ass of himself, people will continue to treat him that way.
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>>33767575
Eh, I'd say a retcon is actually a pretty big concession on his part, and it's worth holding off until we see how it is.
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>>33767575
Or prof's making an ass of himself because people treat him that way.
You get what you give.
He used to be pretty cool.
Remember when he was pretty cool? It's been a while.
The vitriol has been here a while.
I wouldn't be surprised if he really did articulate all this just to get us to not want AoPH to return.
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>>33767614
>He used to be pretty cool.
Then he fucked up. Starting at the boat. Then that's when people started treating him like an ass. Because he was an ass.

I remember when he was cool. And I remember when he became an ass.
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>>33767614
>sucky sucky
Oh wow, anon, you really love the taste of that cock.

>Or prof's making an ass of himself because people treat him that way.
Oh? Really? He started acting like an idiot because people treated him like one? God. The amount of circular reasoning idiots like you come up with is disgusting. The lengths you'd go to defend Prof....you're grasping at straws.
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