>>33694081Old ThreadYou are Sireyi Valyenya, 18 years old, you are on your first quest.You have retrieved the Horn of Alzurad: a legendary artefact that can call dead heroes back to fight for the holder of the Horn. But now you’re lost on another plane, trying to find your way home.You've come to the home of a rebel against the Empire of Drache. “Please stop that” you say, she keeps touching you for a few more seconds then drops her hands.“Well” she says “how kind of you to visit me at least, I have been so excited about meeting you, I’m Ellahi Valyenya” she introduces herself. She has yellow eyes, with octagonal irises and as she speaks you see that she has prominent canines."Hello to you too, interplanar sister of mine" you say.This close to her you can smell her...perfume (?) a heady scent that makes your heart beat faster and things low in your body tighten, a moment later your own powers counter the effect, though you can feel it still assailing you. Whatever she is doing has no power over you, perhaps this is a power of hers, perhaps she’s wearing some sort of lust-perfume; either way, your own abilities protect you against it.>And I’ve been eager to meet you too>Introduce self (with what info?)>Whatever you’re trying to do to me, stop it>I’m told you have a connection with the rebels?>I do hope I wasn’t interrupting...anything important>OtherYour companions are mostly silent, content to let you do the talking, though you hear a small Hmph! Of disgust from Sofia.
>>33698618>Introduce selffull name Sireyi Valyenya>Whatever you’re trying to do to me, just give up, I' far more powerful than you
>>33698618>I do hope I wasn’t interrupting...anything important
>>33698618>>Introduce self (with what info?)Sireyi Valyenya, Paladin of Vela.>>Whatever you’re trying to do to me, stop it
>>33698618>>Introduce self (with what info?)Name. Ancestry.>And I’ve been eager to meet you too..>I’m told you have a connection with the rebels?
>>33698618This seems like a trap but whateverwe've already agreed to run headlong into it as usual after all>Introduce selfFull name and go full angel mode with halo and everything>Whatever you’re trying to do to me, stop it>I do hope I wasn’t interrupting...anything important
>>33698618>And I’ve been eager to meet you too>Introduce self (Full Name)>Whatever you're trying to do to me, stop it.>>33698715No halo, I'd rather not broadcast our position to any sensitive demons that live in the city.
“I’m Sireyi Valyenya, Paladin of Velya” you say “And whatever you’re doing to me, stop it.”“Of course you are” she responds “and I would love to get to know you better” she gives you a smouldering gaze that leaves you in no doubt what she means by that comment “but business must come before pleasure, mores the pity.”“As for what I’m *doing* to you” she shuts her eyes for a moment and the feelings of lust recede, though they’re not truly gone “I left that active, I forget sometimes.”She turns to the elf in the black dress, who is still stood against the wall waiting patiently “Angelique, some of the spiced wine please.”Angelique leaves the room and comes back with two bottles and enough glasses for everyone on a tray and then resumes standing against a wall, making no comment.“I’ve been eager to meet you too” you say “I do hope I wasn’t interrupting anything important.”“Oh no” she says, waving a hand dismissively “I was just killing a little time with my friends, I find it helps, you know?”Moving on “I’m told you have a connection with the rebels?”“Yes” she says “I am a traitor and a rebel, take me prisoner” She holds her hands out to you, presenting her wrists as if waiting for you to put chains on her. She then chuckles and pours herself a drink, swallowing a mouthful of wine she continues “But the truth is that yes, I am one of the leaders of the rebels, though don’t expect me to reveal the others, they don’t have my....immunity.”>Immunity?>House Valyenya?>It helps?>Are the rebels ready to overthrow the government?>Other
>>33698772>>Immunity?>>House Valyenya?>>Are the rebels ready to overthrow the government?
>>33698772>Immunity?>House Valyenya?>It helps?
>>33698772>Immunity?>House Valyenya?>It helps?>Are the rebels ready to overthrow the government?Information is ammunition, or something.
>>33698772>Immunity?>House Valyenya?>It helps?>Are the rebels ready to overthrow the government?>WHAT ARE YOUR FUCKING GOALS, WHATS GOING TO CHANGE,
“Immunity?” you ask“My mother” she says “may she rot in Hell, somehow attracted the interests of the Demon Lord known as the Ruler, and sometime later, I was born.”“My father” she continues “bases his empire on blood primacy, to arrest his own daughter would cast doubt upon that, giving me, hmmm....some protection from his wrath, though perhaps not his attentions.”“Are the rebels ready to overthrow the government?” you ask.She tilts her head to one side and looks at you carefully “No” she says finally “and they won’t be ready for oh, a hundred years or so, though I’m hoping you might be able to help with that.”“The rebellion has a long way to go in terms of recruiting people, forming effective subversion strategies, having a unified message or ethos, and of course, having sufficient weapons, both mundane and arcane. To that end there are two things I need you to make happen.”Angelique coughs but doesn’t move.Ellahi shoots her a frustrated look then turns back to you “Ok, three things I need-“Angelique coughs again“Alright, alright, fine!” says Ellahi “Four things I need from you, but two of them are more urgent.”“And House Valyenya?” you continue.“Ah yes” says Ellahi fondly “The old House, I’m the only member of the main family left now, killing all of my half-siblings took years.”“Murdering your own family!” says Sofia “That’s sort of behaviour I’d expect from the daughter of traitors!”Ellahi looks at her “Have we met?”Sofia draws in a deep breath, ready to go on a tirade.>First Problem>Second Problem>Third Problem>Fourth Problem>Relationship with your father?>Let Sofia talk>Shut Sofia Up>Murdering your old family?>Rebel goals?>Other
>>33699029>First Problem>Second Problem>Third Problem>Fourth Problem>Relationship with your father?>Shut Sofia Up>Murdering your old family?>Rebel goals?
>>33699029>First Problem>Second Problem>Third Problem>Fourth Problem>Relationship with your father?>Shut Sofia Up>Murdering your old family?>Rebel goals?Plenty of time for tirades later. For now, let's see what our gracious host has in store for us.
>>33699029>First Problem>Second Problem>Third Problem>Fourth Problem>Relationship with your father?>Shut Sofia Up>Murdering your old family?>Rebel goals?welp, guess our only chance is to break the world barrier.
>>33699029>>First Problem>>Second Problem>>Third Problem>>Fourth Problem>>Relationship with your father?>Make Sofia shut up (but nice)
>>33699029guess we're down to 4 players.
“Now’s not the time” you tell Sofia, forestalling whatever she was about to say.“How do you get on with your father?” you ask EllahiShe shots a curios glance at Sofia “Truthfully, I’ve never met him, but I know him well, very well indeed. My father is the Demon Lord of Tyranny and Corruption – he understands perfectly the darker side of mortal nature: how our hates and feats can be used to rule us, divide us and conquer us, our hungers and our pride made into chains. He possesses an instinctive, supreme knowledge of these things because that is the nature of his power.”“My powers are not as strong as his, but I understand things he doesn’t, I can understand peoples hopes and dreams, their compassion, their love. It gives me an edge when facing my father. You see, we both ply politics, he and I, and we’ve both fought each other for years, through proxies and catspaws, agents, hidden messages and manipulation. I could tell you how he thinks, how he fights, everything, though I’ve never once met him.”“And House Valyenya?” you ask“Ah yes” she says, sipping her wine “The traitor House, they sought high favour by nurturing me and turning me into one of their own, though they were a treacherous pack of backstabbing snakes. I was a pawn in one plot or another from by very first breath, of course” she muses “as I got older I learned to play the game they taught me, and I mastered it, when I was 13 I convinced my entire family to murder one another amidst a clash of plots, betrayals and schemes.”“And your first 2 problems?” you ask, she seems for focused on these.
>>33699233“A bill is making its way through parliament that would remove certain restrictions upon the money houses, allowing them to lend to, and invest in, a lot of industries and business they are currently forbidden from getting involved in. Many of those business are owned by rebels or those with rebel sympathies – by helping expand their business, we’ll unlock a vast source of funding to buy weapons, bribe government officials and hire mercenaries.”“However, the bill is tied up in committee, and we fall a half-dozen votes short of the numbers required to pass it anyway. I have identified two key members of parliament: one has an anonymous hold on the bill, if he could be convinced to change his mind the bill could be bought up for a vote. The other controls a small bloc of MPs that are opposing the bill for no real reason at all, if he could be persuaded to switch his vote, his allies would follow suit.”“The first MP, Gulkil Fernahcs, is somewhat of a problem: we’ve tried offering him bribes, but he’s not interested, he doesn’t appear to have any ideological opposition to the bill, and yet he has it on hold. About the only lead I can offer you is that some of my agents report he had a wife, who has disappeared, whilst other agents report he never had a wife at all. I suspect the work of Hanandrirac.”“The second MP, Sumin Fallos, is perhaps easier to deal with, he likes to bet upon the arena fights: If you could persuade him to make bad bets he’d lose money and we could help him out of debt. Or, if you prefer a more active route, he has a weakness for successful fighters in the arena, particularly pretty female ones. If you won a lot of fights, and he started winning money betting on you, then he could be talked into switching his vote – though you may actually have to sleep with the creepy slimeball.” She shudders at the possibility “Or maybe not, maybe a kiss on the cheek and a few hints would be enough.”
>>33699255“And your last two problems?” you ask“Oh those, well first of all I have a sorcerer out to kill me, and as for the other...” She grins at you, a predatory gleam in her eyes “I want your body, in the worst possible way.”“Mistress....” says Angelique, in a frustrated tone.“What I mean to say of course” says Ellahi “Is that I’m not doing so well, I’m dying actually, but my doctors and sorcerers think you can help me by lending me a little of yourself for a short time. But” she says holding up a finger “This comes after everything else, it’ll be years before my health truly begins to decline.”>Tell me more about Gulkil Fernahcs>Hanandrirac>Tell me more about Sumin Fallos>Ask something else>Other(Rebel goals on way, 20 minute break for dinner, then back)
>>33699271>>Tell me more about Gulkil Fernahcs>>Hanandrirac>What does she mean with "ledning a little of ourself" ?
>>33699271>Tell me more about Gulkil Fernahcs>Hanandriracsure>What does she mean with "ledning a little of ourself" ?
>>33699271>what the fuck does it mean "lending" and how would it fix you>why are you dieing?>Tell me more about Gulkil Fernahcs>Hanandrirac>Tell me more about Sumin Fallosafter all this we still don't know why she's just randomly trusting us and more importantly we don't know any of the rebels real goals
>>33699271>Tell me more about Gulkil Fernahcs>ask what she means by "lending"
>>33699271>What's in it for me?She drags us all the way here and doesn't tell us whats in it for us...She hasn't even assured us the freedums of all of demonland or/and a way home
>>33699271you know, she should really try worshiping velyait would fit her perfectly
>>33699462>>33699328OP hasn't finished writing the update, he's going to post the goals when he gets back.>(Rebel goals on way, 20 minute break for dinner, then back)
Fucking hell. What a God damned whore. I want nothing to do with this despicable bitch. We can do better than this. This is obviously not the same kind of rebellion we did before. This refuse and her cronies simply want the power, they won't change jack shit. Of course she will lie to us and try use us as a tool.Don't compromise our ideals by working with this obviously evil person. This was a shit idea from the start. I wish you people didn't leave the island of storms to walk into an obvious fucking trap. What a bunch of morons. We need to break the fucking barrier so that we can get support from our plane. We need to improve our own sorcerer level of nothing else.
>>33699475I thought we were trying to get rid of the "Goddess of whores" nickname?
>>33699530Thats a lot of anger there anon. You okay?
>>33699271Guys. I think these should be our "requests" read: demands for our help in getting her power or whatever she wants>equality for all races>bringing back religion with Velya as a focus (since it seems to fit her "lifestyle" of "tasting fruit" i.e. woring)>way back home>breaking of the barrier>banishing/imprisoning the demon lords or just killing works
>>33699530dat RAGEall my kekles>>33699593did I cover everything we want here? or was there something more?
>>33699593you forgot the whole >don't kill frost giantsunless you meant it was covere by the "equality for all races" bullshit part
>>33699271We need a lot more details on the current society.>>33699593taking back the storm isle and killing whatshis name should also be super high prio
>>33699530Shouldn't forget:>“If you find your sister, one with the darkness, then you can hide within the Empire unnoticed, though the purity of your soul will be...tarnished somewhat.”Associating with her will not be good for us.
>>33699593>equality for all races>bringing back religion with Velya as a focus (since it seems to fit her "lifestyle" of "tasting fruit" i.e. woring)>way back home>breaking of the barrier>banishing/imprisoning the demon lords or just killing works>don't kill frost giants>Take back storm isle and kill whathisname
>>33699690Now it only depends on how tarnished we're talking about here.>needing to ignore injustice for the greater goodsure>whoring yourself out and killing/torturing peopleno thanksIf only that 'somewhat' wasn't so vague
>>33699712add>creating a whole new country specifically for humans/etc where they're completely free as opposed to the whole "equality" shit as its more realistic.Make it so within the country, all humans have highest level of rights equal to demons.Also allow all humans to move there if they wish or stay in their current lifestyle if they wish (so GoT situation with Daenerys doesn't repeat)
>>33699690That prophecy has been wrong before, it said we'd have to make a choice to either kill an innocent or let a great evil go free on the island, but we chose differently.Associating with her will only tarnish us if we allow it.>>33699712Ninver, his name was Ninver.
>>33699530>>33699745all this hate for whores. You guys do understand that our god actually likes and wishes to support them right?
>>33699271how much longer you planning on running Pally?
>>33699763As we are currently going the great evil will actually come free, we don't know what happens on the Siland right now.
>>33699786Our goddess has nothing against them, but she isn't all that supportive of it either, she only got that repuation. Clearly there are different opinions on that, seeing as how Seiryi is the opposite of a whore.
>>33699763>let a great evil go free on the islandits already free dofusdid you miss the whole ninver sold his soul to the demons bit?
“And what do the rebels want?” you ask “What will replace the demon lords?”“I’m glad you asked” says Ellahi “Everyone just assumes I want to take my fathers throne for myself, but actually...” she goes over to a cabinet and takes out a rolled up scroll “I found this in a library of one of our conquered provinces, it was catalogued under Extraplanar Artifacts” She unrolls it and begins to read.“We the People ...in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution”“It goes on to describe a government without kings or emperors” she says “replacing the parliamentary system with two houses of elected officials, honestly there’s bits I don’t understand, and even the bits I do I have difficulty explaining to people. But I’ve convinced them that letting all people, bloods and non-bloods alike, vote on their own rulers and representatives is the best option to replace the current system.”Well, at least she has some sort of plan, even if it’s one she didn’t write herself.“Tell me about Gulkil Fernahcs” you say“Fernahcs used to be an ally of the rebellion” she says “then....something happened and he turned away from us, and that’s when the rumours about a wife started, hence my suspicion of Hanandrirac”“Who is Hanandrirac?” you ask“He’s a very powerful Demon” she replies “His power rivals that of my fathers – though he never wanted to rule. He is the Eater of Fates – he can erase a person from existence so thoroughly that they never existed. If Fernahcs wife had her fate eaten by Hanandrirac, it would explain why people are not sure if she existed or not. You should speak to Fernahcs to be sure, but you may have to bargain with Hanandrirac to get his wife back.”1/2
>>33699873“Tell me more about Sumin Fallos” you say, working down your mental list“Ah him” she says “Not the worst MP, but a gambler, he won’t be hard to subvert, since you know his weakness.”“What do you mean by me *lending* you part of myself?” you ask “And why are you dying?”“I’m not sure how it works with....Angels” she says, the word unfamiliar in her mouth “but demon and human flesh don’t always mix well, some of the blood suffer from a wasting disease, one with no cure, as part of their demonic heritage tries to eliminate the human part. I’m starting to show symptoms myself. The sorcerers I’ve hired thinks that a strong anti-demon mystical energy could be used to kill this disease. Though I don’t know the effects it would have on you. When you’ve dealt with the other problems I can have them explain it to you more fully.”>Where do I find Gulkil Fernahcs>Where do I find Hanandrirac>Where do I find Sumin Fallos>I want to know more about this Sorcerer who wants to kill you>You’re putting a lot of trust in someone you’ve just met>Ask something else>Other>>33699790Another 4 hours, roughly
>>33699836>Isn't supportiveExcept for trying to get them recognized as a legitimate business to prevent them from being exploited.>>33699860Evidently, probably because it didn't actually happen.He was confirmed for telling the demons where we were, but nothing else.And the great evil is obviously the Third Duke, who can only be released if Sofia's bloodline ends.
>>33699623>>33699562>durr hurr RageIf you have nothing of value to say don't day anything. Do you really want to work worth this obviously evil piece of shit? Are you this fucking retarded?OP, THIS is the scenario where you make us risk falling as a paladin and not some retarded arbitrary black and white choices you gave before. Paladins are not "end justifies the means" kind of people. And in this case I don't even see any favorable "end" to be indirectly or directly responsible for continuing and allowing more misery and suffering. Fuck this shit. We shouldn't be working with the "rebels". Some of the players obviously think that being a rebel to an evil government makes them automatically a good guy. In reality it is often not so and is very obvious in this case.
>>33699885>Where do I find Gulkil Fernahcs>I want to know more about this Sorcerer who wants to kill you>You’re putting a lot of trust in someone you’ve just met>"Why should I help you, given the very real risk that you are lying to me about wanting to create a better system ?"
>>33699918>If you have nothing of value to say, don't say anythingPlease take your own advice and stop being a paranoid shitposter, most of us are just waiting for more information.
>>33699885Can probably be solved by turning her into a half-angel. I'll wait for that.Obligatory>Where do I find Gulkil Fernahcs>Where do I find Hanandrirac>Where do I find Sumin Fallos>I want to know more about this Sorcerer who wants to kill you>>33699918Please explain your reasoning. So far she has only shown signs of being a scheming slut.
>>33699885>Where do I find Gulkil Fernahcs>Where do I find Hanandrirac>Where do I find Sumin Fallos>I want to know more about this Sorcerer who wants to kill you>You’re putting a lot of trust in someone you’ve just metWell heres hoping I can last another 4 hours lol>>33699918Alright first off. I'm not saying I necessarily disagree with you that joining the rebels is not the best idea. But you are clearly showing that you are quite upset, over something that isn't even set in stone yet.Also, Paladins are totally "end justifies the means" kind of people. Especially Paladins of Konig. Paladin of Veyla maybe not as much, but don't go around waving your absolutes in the ether like a ugly dick no one really wants.
>>33699918lelthe irony get et?
>>33699909>Except for trying to get them recognized as a legitimate business to prevent them from being exploited.That isn't really a sign of being supportive per se. She just doesn't see anything wrong with it, and if there is nothing wrong with it, there is no reason to not recognize them as a legit business. Of course she likes the "pleasure" part of a "willing" prostitute, but I doubt she likes the "selling yourself" part, hence why she wants it somewhat protected.
So, am I the only one who thinks we should give up this "purity virgin" thin and start sleeping with our companions?
>>33699918>hating scheming greedy whores with mostly good intentions
>>33700045Yes. You are the only one.
>>33700045I think that is a terrible idea.
>>33700005Heaven's Rebirth requires 30 GXP and PXP combined, and we have more important things to buy.A blood transfusion is simpler and cheaper.>>33700045Yeah, you are.Some of us want romance, some of us want ecchi, nobody wants to be a slut for no reason.
>>33699918>Paladins are not "end justifies the means" kind of people. And in this case I don't even see any favorable "end" to be indirectly or directly responsible for continuing and allowing more misery and suffering.she is trying to overthrow the demons to give equal rights to everyone and institute a democratic republic.It is very cheesy, but is hardly evil.and her means are "diplomacy"
>>33699873and the black and white continuesPally really needs to work on the shades of grey shtick unless we're getting trolled hard which reminds me>>33699885Can we roll to discern intentions and see if shes sincere?
>>33699885>Where do I find Gulkil Fernahcs>Where do I find Hanandrirac>Where do I find Sumin Fallos>I want to know more about this Sorcerer who wants to kill you>You’re putting a lot of trust in someone you’ve just met
>>33700095Good pointRoll Fellowship 1d20+5 to see if she's lying to you.
>>33699885>ask her if shes heard of velya and tell her that he would get along with her alot
Rolled 17 + 5>>33700117
>>33700093Do you really want to tell me just because she intalls a "democratic system" that makes her automatically good and guarantees she won't rig the system from the start and break it apart with the standart corruption that plaques all democracies ?
Rolled 11 + 5>>33700117letsa goOff to bed soon, GL guys hope tripfags can try and keep angeranon from going full RAGE mode
Rolled 11 + 5>>33700117
>>33700089>Heaven's Rebirth requires 30 GXP and PXP combined, and we have more important things to buy.Heaven's rebirth is also obscenely bad idea for anyone in this world in the short term.It would be vital when the gods return or if we retake that storm nation (we really should)also, what is all this nonsense about escaping? we shouldn't try to escape, we should try to destroy the barrier. The barrier is designed to stop things from entering not leaving, if we escape its a one way trip.If we break the barriers the gods powers return to this world. sure they can erect a new one every 3 months but we can just smash it again and again (easier to destroy then to build)furthermore, if we smash the barrier then the horn starts working, an awesomely powerful artifact that summons an entire army of great warriors? YES PLEASE!If we break the barrier at the right time and blow the horn near the demon lords, we could have the entire army of the horn (most of which are paladins) converge and kill the demon lordsOnce they are dealt with this world would truly be on its way towards healing.And also, for the demon lord trapped in flame, the flame is some sort of relic of a god (whats his name, the one who wanted us to get the horn). I am sure if we break the barrier he could get some of his priests to consecrate it so that this god slays the demon within the flame
>>33700131So what you are saying is, that you are certain that she is evil, is lying about her true goals, and is irredeemable.I think you are wrong.
She’s sincere, as far as you can tell“If” you say “If I was to help you, where can I find Gulkil Fernahcs?”“He has a house in this city” responds Ellahi “He’s not there now, but I believe he’ll be back in a few days.”“I want to know more about this Sorcerer who wants to kill you” you say “Ah, Dravere” she says fondly “He really was fun, unfortunately he was trying to betray me, so I betrayed him first, and now he holds a grudge, I believe he has some history with Mistress Ilveyen as well, though I’ve not inquired as to what that is.”“You’re putting a lot of trust in someone you’ve just met” you say “How do you know I’ll help you and not simply leave”“Because I’ve been scrying on you since you first came here” she says “And I’m a good judge of character.”"Why should I help you, given the very real risk that you are lying to me about wanting to create a better system?"She laughs “If you don’t want to help me, then don’t, one day I’ll be able to topple my father, it would just be quicker with your help. If all you want is a way home, then I can offer you that, I’ll ask only that you get rid of my sorcerer problem, and hear my doctors out on their solution.”“Where do I find Hanandrirac?” you ask “and Sumin Fallos?”“The province of Iakesh” she says “In the city of Falhird – both maintain houses there, Sumin because it has a large gladiator arena, and Hanadrirac...well I’m not sure, but that’s where most of him can be found.”“And how do I get there?” you ask “Oh it’s only a week away by Airship” she says>Why have you been watching me since I arrived? How did you know I had come here?>Where can I find the Sorcerer, Dravire>Other questions (what?)
>>33700175Yes, because pointing out that we don't know if she is saying the truth, means automatically she must be lying scheming whore.Because everything runs on binaries like that.
>>33700045Probably not, but I will vote against it.>>33700089We have years. So far we gain more than that every month.>>33700131Still a better system than most in our home-realm I'll bet. We can read the constitution if you want, though.>Voting to read that constitution>>33700158>Heaven's rebirth is also obscenely bad idea for anyone in this world in the short term.Good thing that this is a long-term project. Years as it were.
>>33700178>Why have you been watching me since I arrived? How did you know I had come here?>Where can I find the Sorcerer, Dravire
>>33700158>If we leave it's a one-way tripWe were straight-up told by our goddess that leaving this dimension will break the barrier.Everything else about your plan is fine, but you missed that little fact.>>33700124Are you...shipping our sister and our divine patron?I can dig it.>>33700131Nobody thinks "Democracy = Good".Do you honestly think everybody that isn't you trusts her completely just because we aren't yelling for her blood?>>33700178>Why have you been watching me since I arrived? How did you know I had come here?>Where can I find the Sorcerer, Dravire
>>33700178holy fuck, she must be pretty powerful to scry on u this long without even us knowing. also our magic reistance was useless against her scrying...
>>33700207Yes, because democracie is automatically better than monarchies, even if run by literal demons and their spawn. Absolutely brilliant. Forcing foreign govermental systems on societys with no cultural background for such thing has never failed before.
>>33700225>Do you honestly think everybody that isn't you trusts her completely just because we aren't yelling for her blood?No and I never said I did. I said we have no reason to trust or believe her, and that is the extent of it.
>>33700202>>>>>You: She evul! you force us to do evul again! Paladins are NOT ends justify the means>>>>Me: She claims to be good>>>She lies, she will subvert her claims to good and do evul!>>Me: I think you are wrong>You: sarcastic accusation of binary thinking.Mate, this is YOUR binary thinking, you are the one who claimed that helping her is an EVIL ACT because she is certain to be EVIL!even though1. she is claiming to be good2. even if she is lying, its easier to deal with her if she betrays us after the fall of the demon lords.3. she is setting up an entire organization on the principles of good which will turn on her if she betrays their value, instead of setting up an organization on evil principles and power lust. (unless she is lying about the nature of her organization, and we can always find that out during our work together).
>>33700227That's because magic resistance doesn't protect against scrying, hence why many of us want to get the spells to detect and thwart scrying attempts.>>33700258You said it in the most combative and alienating way possible, if you are the anon that first brought it up.If you aren't >>33699530, then I assumed you were and I apologize for that.
>>33700178can we read that thing she had?the new governent rules thingy
>>33700284>>33700295Some anon said some stupid overly angry shit, how is that my problem ?You think there is only one anon who advises distrust of the Half-Demon lady ?
>>33700207>Good thing that this is a long-term project. Years as it were.When I say short term I mean years. Long term is centuries. We will live for 2000 years anon.let me rephrase, it has nothing to do with timeHeaven rebirth is an awful idea until the government is toppled and the arch devils are killed or banished from this world. Because until then there are a bunch of evil priests who scry out for angels. Like the ones who sent gendric after usspeaking of. if they scryed on us they might have seen us come into contact with the rebels.
>>33700284>>33700295>>33700296 I assume it was a easy mistake to make, the way I linked into it.I think we can all agree, we can't trust her, even if of course the possibility exists she might be the genuine article.
>>33700225>We were straight-up told by our goddess that leaving this dimension will break the barrier.I do not recall that.That being said, if we could break the barrier without leaving it would be preferable
>>33700311>the quest not being hivemindthis is gloriousyes we know its just one faggot samefagging. still the "mirage" of a shitstorm is awesome
>>33700308Sure you can. It's a partially complete (some water damage) copy of the US Constitution.“Why have you been watching me since I arrived? How did you know I had come here?” You ask, concerned that others may have been tracking you too.“Your arrival caused quite the mystical stir” she says “I made an effort to be the first to scry you, and had my agents work to keep others away from you, though they were not always successful.”“Where can I find the Sorcerer, Dravire?” you ask“Oh I imagine he’s still got a house in the city” she says “He did have one 3 years ago, if not, I’m sure I can track him down.”>Other questions>I need to go away and think about this>I’m not going to help you>I will help you
>>33700331Yes, maintaining a healthy amount of suspicion is perfectly fine.I still do intend to work with her for the time being and hope she proves herself to be the genuine article.If she shows herself to be what we fear, then we should attempt to redeem her, if it's feasible.She is our sister, after all.>>33700371>I need some time to think about this and discuss it with my companions.
>>33700371>US Constitutiontopkek>I need to go away and think about thiswell she seems trustworthy enough and we even did a discerning of intentions and rolled a 23.I think we can trust her but lets brood on this a bit
>>33700371>US ConstitutionOkay, now we know we can't curse the poor people of the world with her reign, I mean demon kings are already bad enough.>I need to go away and think about thisIf she hears about the sorcrer dieing, she knows we at least took up on her help to get out.
>>33700311>Some anon said some stupid overly angry shitWhich I explicitly did NOT refer to.Follow the chain of quotes and you will see quite clearly that no post was skipped and the chain and non linked to the "hurr promiscuity = evil" faggot.Instead it is entirely contained within a few posts that start with the anon claiming that "end doesn't justify the means" applies here
>>33700371>US Constitutionoh good godsWell the world's doomed if she loses, doomed if she wins
>>33700371>I need to go away and think about this
>>33700371She wants to make a world based on the US Contitution... welp
>>33700371Are we aware in character of the possibility of heaven's rebirth or is it OOC knowledge?We can have it as an alternative to a risky and possibly fatal untested solution.Also, if they test it and it works then every powerful demon blooded will be after our blood for similar procedures instead of after our redemption
>>33700441The "hurr ends don't etc. " guy, was clearly the rage anon.
>>33700371>I will help youThere is nothing to think about, we will help her while maintaining a healthy level of distrust, which will manifest in investigating possible treachery on her part.even if she was pure evil, the tasks she has asked of us are NOT evil and would be justified in doing to overthrow the demon lords.
>>33700496>Are we aware in character of the possibility of heaven's rebirth or is it OOC knowledge?You are aware of the possibility in character - though you have no idea how long it would take you to gain this power, or even if you could.“I need to think about this” you say “This is not an easy decision for me to make.”“Of course” she says “Take all the time you need, I’ll have my personal carriage take you back to your hotel.”>Go back to hotel to discuss with companions>Ask more questions first (what?)
>>33700525>You are aware of the possibility in character - though you have no idea how long it would take you to gain this power, or even if you could.But it doesn't have to be us, if we break the barrier it could be the gods or other powerful angels from our world. I am sure one of them could be convinced to do this to save the life of the leader of the rebellion against the arch demons.
>>33700525Speaking of which, are you the one that paid for the hotel?>Go back to hotel to discuss with companions
>>33700523There is still the possibility that she is 100% honest, but her rebell friends aren't.In fact, that is extremely likely.
>>33700525Ask her if she is aware of the dimensional barrier and gods.Maybe the barrier is being maintained by an artifact that can be sabotaged.
>>33700604So what? aiding the rebellion is still not evil and is still very much desirable.Number one goal is to slay or banish the demon lordsShe already found and turn on a traitor in the rebellion (the sorcerer)
>>33700604fuck her goals. we need to take down the demon lords first. her goals and what not are second priority
>>33700652to clarify, yes we know there are going to be some traitors in the rebellionsome are moles trying to ferret it out for executionsome are planning to pull a stalin and take over once the rebellion is done as dictators.etcregardless, working with them to take out the demon lords is justifiable. And in fact, by working with them we could perhaps ferret out traits in the rebellion too. As well as serve as an injection of morality>>33700697That is her goal. To achieve this she needs magical weapons capable of hurting demons. Hence the need for wealth and funding.
“Speaking of which, are you the one that paid for the hotel?” you ask“Not me” Ellahi replies “I don’t know who did, though I certainly could extend your stay there if you want....or you could move in with me for a while” she says, a glint on her eye.“I think we’ll just go back to the hotel” you say.“Before we go” you say “what can you tell me about the dimensional barriers of this plane, is it maintained by an artefact or something?”“The barriers are pure spellwork” she says “There’s no physical component to attack, any dimensional traveling spell cast by a powerful sorcerer can breach the barriers, but knowledge of such magic is highly restricted, luckily, I happen to have a book on such spells.”You and your companions return to your hotel, its midday so you order some lunch. You have some weighty decisions to make.Who do you talk to first, over lunch?Pick one>Gendric>Bokin>Sofia>JalAnd about what?Pick all those you want>Gulkil Fernahcs, MP>Hanandrirac, Eater of Fate>Sumin Fallos, MP>Dravere the Sorcerer>What should I do?>Rebels goals>Other
>>33700697Here is her planStep 1: Bribe / blackmail /whatever to pass a bill that legitimizes industries currently banned and primarily held by rebelsStep 2: use large amount of cash to recruit, bribe, and purchase magic weaponsStep 3: take out the demon lords and seize the governmentEstimated timeframe: over 100 years of effort and lots and details.She claims we can help her accelerate it via some methods.She doesn't know that there are even MORE ways we can accelerate it (namely, break the barrier and summon instant paladin army)
>>33700770>Sofia>Rebels goalsShe would know best how feasible all this is, being the only one with administrative experience.
>>33700770>Sofiawe've kinda been neglecting her
>>33700770>SofiaMainly >Rebels goalsbut these as well>Gulkil Fernahcs, MP>Hanandrirac, Eater of Fate>Sumin Fallos, MP>Dravere the Sorcerer>What should I do?
>>33700770>“I think we’ll just go back to the hotel” you say.wait what? no! stay with her>luckily, I happen to have a book on such spells.”awesome, ask for it.
>>33700732>to clarify, yes we know there are going to be some traitors in the rebellionIts not about traitos. Its about the other rebell leaders wanting to replace the old tyranny with a new one, with themself in charge, which is, pretty mucht he noutcome of 99% of all rebellions ever.If we want her to succeed, we need to ensure she has the power to stand up againstz all the other rebell leaders at once.
>>33700770Guys, you know theres a faster method.What if we just assasinate all the demon lords?It'll be fun too...inb4 claims I'm murderhobo anon I am and proud of it
>>33700770>“I think we’ll just go back to the hotel” you say.What ?? No! We should stay, in that hotel we are basically under surveillance all the time by someone we don't even know and who knows our secret.
>>33700770this seems kinda long and pointless, can't we just go full rambo and kill all the demon lords?
>>33700895That's an option, yes.If the players want to do that, you can give it a try.
>>33700770How powerful are demon lords and do we know the bases of any of them?since>>33700859>>33700895seems to want to go and do a suicide mission
>>33700895>>33700859Im actually agree. They can sort out the politics themself as soon as the Demon Lords are ggone, and we don't need to sully ourself with the ugliness of actual rebellion. Let them take care of it once they have "free reign".
>>33700895>>33700859>Fighting the demon lords directlyIt's like you want to die.They're way too powerful and have literal armies at their command.That path is basically just character death, we were even warned in the prophecy about how stupid that is.
>>33700851you mean like how stalin killed all the other rebel leaders because he was the only one of them who didn't believe in the cause? or how the american rebels actually created the system they proclaimed, washington refused the crown when offered, and there was only 1 single guy in the entire group who actually did that whole "betray the rest and try to become king once we win the rebellion" (and he failed and was hanged for treason)There are countless examples of rebels doing what you said, and counter counter examples. 99% is a bullshit claim. and even if it was true it is not in any way shape or form a counter argument to the plan of "join the rebellion and make sure it happens right">Its not about traitos. Its about the other rebell leaders wanting to replace the old tyranny with a new one, with themself in chargeThat is the very definition of traitors anon.
>>33700926time to walk the path towards the bad endAfter we get some more exp.Lets assassinate all the demon lords. Fuck bothering to spend 100 years (even if sped up) getting a rebellion.Kill the lords, break the barrier and summon an army with horn for anyone who's going to be annoying.
>>33700944The Demon Lords need to die anyway so this can be succesfull, so either its pointless, in which case the rebellion is pointless.So it seems like the best way is to break the barrier and use the Horn to stomp the Demon Lords.
>>33700930The Demon Lords are near-godlike levels of power, and there are two of them, known as the Ruler and the WarriorThe Ruler is often in the capital city of Drache, the Warrior is often found leading the armies of Drache.
>>33700859Anon, that is LITERALLY the rebels planthe difference is that they aren't fucking retards and think they need an entire army armed with the best magic weapons money can buy.If we try to solo them we game over.
>>33700926Okay since people want to go crazy and fight demon lords than...I'll support it too but only after hearing about how powerful the demon lords are and if we know the circumstances/defences they're surrounded by
>>33700959Stalin didn't lerad any rebellions. lenin did, and the bolsheviki waged a several years long war in russia after the the zar was disposed to subdue those rebellion leaders that didn't agree with them. Not to emntion the thousands that got deported because they fought against the collectivist policies.And Washington didn't lead a rebellion, the British govermental system wasn't changed one bit, he lead a secession.>>33700959Traitors would mean they want the rebellion to fail. But they don't, they want to succeed.
>>33700931>Im actually agree. They can sort out the politics themself as soon as the Demon Lords are ggone, and we don't need to sully ourself with the ugliness of actual rebellionwhat ugliness? so far almost every single thing we were told about it is ridiculously squeaky clean.Literally the only thing that wasn't pure and just about this is the suggestion we could barter with the fate eater demon lord or sleep with the sleazy guy. And those were just options for getting shit donealternatively we could just get the sleazeball to lose money and be bailed out by rebels, and to convince the guy that the fate eater ate his wife's fate and that he should get revenge and maybe if we destroy the fate eater we can recover her.
Alright. I'm agree that we need to take out the demon lords but >pic related is not the way to go about it. Not until we at LEAST have Heaven's Rebirth and some major spell upgrades
>>33700976Fuck this shit. We need way more exp before we try assasinating a demon lord
>>33701032>Traitors would mean they want the rebellion to fail. But they don't, they want to succeed.WRONG!Wanting the rebellion to succeed, and planning on murder the other rebels and betraying the explicit goals and ethos of the rebellion is, in fact, an act of treasonThere is more than one possible way to be a traitor
>>33701082All the thousands of people and factions that don't want to join up in the new system afterwrads. What do you expect is gonna happen to those ?Even assuming all the rebellion leaders are 100% percent behind it,. even after toppling the demon lords, there will still be military leaders and aristocrats whos power depends on this system and will fight with all might against this change, there will be war all across this global empire. And there is never clean war, all involved are still demons and only know the kind of warfare the demon lords taught them.
>>33700976Okay. from what I gather we have three main choices1. Support rebels (railroad option, medium difficulty)2. Assassinate demon lords (wtfnigga are you thinking option, high difficulty)3. Break the world's barrier (howdoweeven option, ????? difficulty)
“Sofia” you say “What do you think to the rebels goals?”She takes a while before answering “The Empire of Drache conquered dozens of kingdoms and killed their rulers, shouldn’t each kingdom be allowed to choose its own government?”“And what about this 100 year plan?” you ask“Well” she says, considering “The Empire has perhaps 5 million professional soldiers, the rebellion would need to subvert a lot of the army, or have an army of their own to stand a chance.”Who do you talk to next?Pick one>Gendric>Bokin>Sofia>JalAnd about what?Pick all those you want>Gulkil Fernahcs, MP>Hanandrirac, Eater of Fate>Sumin Fallos, MP>Dravere the Sorcerer>What should I do?>Rebels goals>OtherOtherGoing for direct attack on Demon Lords soon/now?Y/NVoting no doesn't close this option off, just doesn't make it an immediate priority.
>>33700961>Kill the lords, break the barrier and summon an army with horn for anyone who's going to be annoying.this is the most retarded thing i have heard.why the fuck would we not break the barrier, summon the heroes, and then kill the demon lords with the summoned heroes?>Fuck bothering to spend 100 yearsstrawman100 years is how long it would take without our helpwith our help it can be done a lot quickerHere is alternative plan>Get the rebels their financial windfall so they start arming>Help rebels until powerful enough to break barrier (a few months)>Break barrier>Summon army of heroes into throne room. have them gang up the demon lords>Rebels seize government with aid of heroes.Potentially doable in less than a year
>>33701085and near godlike power. we need to level a lot before we can match a demon lord
>>33701195>5 millionholy fuck... guis...the assassination plan looks alot better now
>>337011834. Go home, raise army, come back with army (long-term plan, ??? difficulty)
>>33701195>Gendric>Gulkil Fernahcs, MP>Hanandrirac, Eater of Fate>Sumin Fallos, MP>Dravere the Sorcerer>What should I do?>Rebels goalsGoing for direct attack on Demon Lords soon/now?Y
>>33701195>>Gendric>Gulkil Fernahcs, MP>Hanandrirac, Eater of Fate>Going for direct attack on Demon Lords soon/now? No, of course for now.If we do it, its after felling the barrier and being able to use the horn.Also still>We go back to Ellahis place, we aren't gonna sit around like idiots in a for us pre-prepared trap that this hotel room is.
>>33701217>strawmanning a strawmanoh the ironyanyhow I'm pretty sure it was obvious but I'll state it again. killing the lords auto breaks barrier which gets horn working.
>>33701223>Gendric>Gulkil Fernahcs, MP>Hanandrirac, Eater of Fate>Sumin Fallos, MP>Dravere the Sorcerer>What should I do?>Rebels goalsNWell of course Sofia is a adorable idealist. If there are no rulers theres not really a kingdom anymore girly
>>33701160>All the thousands of people and factions that don't want to join up in the new system afterwrads. What do you expect is gonna happen to those ?>Even assuming all the rebellion leaders are 100% percent behind it,. even after toppling the demon lords, there will still be military leaders and aristocrats whos power depends on this systemthe current system is LITERALLY pure evil. its not designed to be a workable government, its designed to be the most evil thing possible. policies are dictated based on how evil they are, not on how effective.such "dissenters" are either insane or evil or both.there is no ugliness involvedand if there was and someone had a legitimate complaint against the rebellion, then we can mediate or at worst just walk away from it and let the two duke it out in a world free of the demon lords.
>>33701195>>Jal>What should I do?Lets ask our common sense.Also>No staying in the hotel roomI don't get why that weasn't even a choice, I know we like traps here, but come on...
>>337011955 million...Okay lets hope our rebels have a huge ass armyWhich reminds mego back to whatshernames place.>Gendric>Rebels goals>What should I do?Yes for direct attack, soon but not now
>>33701160clean wars happen all the time anon.and its cleaniness has fuck all to do with the idea of helping the rebels kill the demon lordsyou seem to confuse paladin with pussy. paladins MURDER EVIL. that is their JOB. They are a MILITARY order of priests.If we were a pacifist we would be a priestess instead of a paladin
>>33701313Yes, and the system isn't gonna idssappear over night, there are people benefitting from this purely evil system. And they will want to maintain it.The ugliness isn't destroying this terrible regime, its the aftermath thats the problem.Sofia is compeltly right, the rebells can't enforce their political vision on everyone else.And I'm not sure they understand that.
>>33701195NDon't be this stupid.
Ok, whilst I write some responses for Gendric, where are you going to stay?>Hotel>Ellahi's house>Other
>>33701195I'll second this option:>>33701308Gendric seems to be sensible, and he probably is the most knowledgeable person in our group about these sort of people.
>>33701351Sure, they murder evil. But the people who won't wnat to join up with the rebellion aren't necesserily evil.>Clean war happen all the timeToppest of all possibloe keks.Surely you aren't really this retarded ?
>>33701367since when was it stated that the system was "pure evul".Seems like your ordinary dictatorship + racism to me.It's not like they kill babies and put their head on spikes or anything
>>33701298>Being this retardedI know you fucking retardThere was no strawman, you are literally retardedYour plan is>Hurr durr solo the most powerful uber murder machines>Then use our trump card to clean the mooks up afterwardsif we could solo the demon lords we wouldn't even need the hornthe alternative suggestino was>Use magic to make our trump card work without engaging the demon lords>Then use the trump card ON the demon lordsbecause an entire army of horn heroes might actually stand a goddamn chance in hell of killing a demon lord
>>33701373>>Ellahi's houseWe at least know what she wants, and that she is gonna keep us around for a while.
>>33701401It was a response to the anon I quoted, who called it "purely evil", and I saw no point in contesting that, since "evil" arguments aren't really productive, nor the point.
>>33701373>Ellahi's housemight as wellleave note in hotel stating that they (the benefactor) should meet us at _______ location at ____ time.
>>33701373>Ellahi's houseAs long as she doesn't try to jump as at night.And we can still throw her out then. People, I know your proving your intellectual superiority to strangers on the internet is important, but don't forget to vote while your at it.
>>337014011. demon lords2. it was explicitly stated in the fluff conversations. sophie brought it up.3. racism is bad4. demon lords are not ordinary dictatorship5. the rape pits (giant rape camps for pure humans / elfs /etc to make sure get demon blood into their family line ASAP)
>>33701503Except for the demon lords, all that has existed in dictatorships before.
>>33701373>Ellahi's houseProbably safer than the hotel
>>33701394>Sure, they murder evil. But the people who won't wnat to join up with the rebellion aren't necesserily evil.Except that anon (your?) claim was explicitly people who want to maintain the current system, not people who don't want to join the rebellion because they have their own morally righteous alternative.The latter were explicitly addressed as well.
>>33701522Truly, man is the greatest demon of all.
>>33701522>Dictators did pure evil things>Dictators are not pure evil demons>Therefore those pure evil things are not pure evilAre you retarded?Just because dictators have done horrendous atrocities doesn't mean that this empire of evil managed by literal pure evil demons isn't pure evil.
>>33701503I love how innocent /tg/ is
>>33701446>It was a response to the anon I quoted, who called it "purely evil", and I saw no point in contesting that, since "evil" arguments aren't really productive, nor the point.I am sorry,are you stupid or do you just not get what a demon lord is?Also, pure evil is canon in the setting, remember the demon lord trapped in the flame radiated pure evil
>>33701596Hold your strawmans mate.The argument was that these things were not anymore "pure evil" than regular evil. Not the other way around. It may or may not be pure vil, but who knows ? We know pretty much nothing about it, and nothing we do know makes it anymore evil than the run of the mill moretal badness that non-demons can get up to.
>>33701654Sure the demon lords are pure evil. But that doesn't make the nation so, they only rule the system, but its made up from milions of people of varying degrees of evil.
“Gendric” you say “What do you think of the rebels goals?”“I think whatever system of government is used” he replies “depends more on the people running it rather than the rules it works by. As long as there’s some way to curb the power of the ‘bloods who have a lot of magical strength and money, it could work. As for fighting the army....you’d need to subvert the officers, difficult to do when they have the priests watching them, or have an army of your own.”“What do you think I should do?” you say He ponders this “I don’t want to sound like a coward, but maybe this is too big a problem for you right now – you’ve told me about the world you’ve come from, and the churches there, an army of priests and soldiers could really help. The Drache Empire isn’t going away any time soon.”“And if I do want to help” you say “What should I do about Gulkil, Hanandrirac, Sumin Fallos and Dravere?He thinks about it “All of them except Sumin are worth talking to first, Sumin sounds like he doesn’t care, so you’ll have to apply some sort of leverage, maybe trick him into making bad bets, the others you might be able to bargain with. And even if they ask for something unreasonable, at least you’ll know what they want.”After lunch you pack up your gear and go back to the house of Ellahi Valyenya, she is delighted to see you and arranges for some rooms for all of you, as well as keywords to bypass the houses magical defences. Afterwards she leaves you alone for a while, tell you with a wink that she’ll “see you later”You’re alone with your companions, it’s early afternoonWho do you talk to next?Pick one>Bokin>Sofia>Jal>I’ve reached a decision, no more talkingAnd about what?Pick all those you want>Gulkil Fernahcs, MP>Hanandrirac, Eater of Fate>Sumin Fallos, MP>Dravere the Sorcerer>What should I do?>Rebels goals>Other
>>33701596>implying things that the guy wasn't even implyinghes most likely making fun of you for stating that the society is any worse than normal dictatorship societiesIn reality the main issue here is on the definition of what counts as evil.
>>33701665>Strawmanfuck you, its not.You retarded faggots are literally arguing that the current system being instituted by literal pure evil demon lords and stated in character to prioritize evil over effectiveness and further given examples of atrocities is not pure evil because "hurr durr shades of grey and realism and dictatorships did it before"A strawman is a misrepresentation of the opponents argument in order to defeat that misrepresentation. There is no misrepresentation here. some of you retards are literally arguing that the system put in place by beings of pure evil whose only goal is evil is not evil because "muh shades of grey"
>>33701711>>Jal>What should I do?>Rebels goals
>>33701665>The argument was that these things were not anymore "pure evil" than regular evilWRONG!The actual argument was that rebellions are nasty messy business and as a paladin we have no business being in one because "examples of IRL rebellions that do not apply when rebelling against literal demons"
>>33701711This is our first thread in awhile where there's no longer hivemind and I'm loving the shitstorm>>33701733are you legitimately retarded?
>>33701711>Jal>What should I do?>Rebels goalsSounds good.OP, do we know how many Giants there were? We might be able to take them with us if we decide to go back and set in motion an invasion.
>>33701711>Jal>What should I do?>Rebels goals
>>33701733>Just because dictators have done horrendous atrocities doesn't mean that this empire of evil managed by literal pure evil demons isn't pure evil.No one said it was. And hence it is a strawman.You argue it is definitly pure evil because pure evil demons manage it at the top most level. Buit thats wrong. It might be pure evil, but if it is, its because the people that make this society in its day to day activities make it so. Not because of the demons managing it. A society doesn't become pure good if a angel rules over it and yet there is still the occasional murder and crime. Just the same a society doesn't become pure evil just because its two leaders wish it so.
>>33701711Fuck going back.Let's just break the barrier and use the horn
>>33701711I'll second these:>>33701785>>33701798
>>33701771But we won't fight the literal demons. The literal demons are few, and the rebllion will have to fight ordinary non -demons too, if those don't agree with their ideas.
Geeze, I leave for a moment and you're all in arms.This demon lady seems pretty fucking awesome for someone reared among traitors as a political weapon. And even establish a democracy to boot. It's like she was a divine intervention herself.We definitely need to help her. She's great hope for the country.>democracy is evil! US constitution makes it evilthat is pure hogwash. Giving the people some political representation can be nothing but improvement from a despotic tyranny by a literal demon lord. I'd say it would be even preferable to tyranny by a good ruler, but case could be made either way.At any rate, we certainly can't just rush off to meet the demons head on. There are still some things to do to even he odds. Let's help the rebellion for now and see what new opportunities present themselves.We're rescuing the kidnapped wife of the MP first, right?
>>33701733>mfw I started this shitstorm and I'm not even bothering to argue since other people will do it for me
>>33701838>mfw during this whole 'shitstorm'
>>33701831>We're rescuing the kidnapped wife of the MP first, right?That's possibly the only thing we can all agree on.We get exp to get ready for demon lord assasinationWe move forward in our plight to help the rebelsMurderhobo gets his killing of powerful demonsmary sue's get their chance to mary sue
>>33701831>democracy is evil! US constitution makes it evilI think that was mainly meant as a joke. Even though, yes, trying to bring a singular political system to this extremely diverse place invites a balkan sceneario. The Demon Lords do it with tyranny and force, and without that, it will probably fall apart as Sofia said. So letting those distinct realms manage themself would be better for all involved. The singular empire doesn't need to survive, and if Sofias take is correct, it can't without the demon tyranny.
>>33701824The more we subvert to side of rebels, the less bloody it will be. In ideal case it could turn into a palace coup.Maybe starting underground sect of Velya would be a good start.
>>33701831I can just see this world completely collapse once the demon lords are killedWe're either going to need a UN that actually does their job and isn't useless or we're going to need to get some help from the gods.
“Jal you say”, turning to the young elf who is examining the ornaments in the room for value “What do you think of the rebels goals?”She thinks about this, then gives her reply, you cast Tongues on yourself and ask her to repeat herself.(Translated) “The current rulers are evil, the entire system is corrupt, scrapping the whole thing and starting all over again might cause a lot of chaos and confusion, but the end result can’t be any worse than the current system. Also there should be some way to punish town guards who arrest people for no good reason.”“And what do you think I should do?” you ask her(Translated) “Get rid of the demon lords and their closes supporters is a good start, but I don’t know what to do about such a big army.”Who do you talk to next?Pick one>Bokin>Sofia>Jal>I’ve reached a decision, no more talkingAnd about what?Pick all those you want>Gulkil Fernahcs, MP>Hanandrirac, Eater of Fate>Sumin Fallos, MP>Dravere the Sorcerer>What should I do?>Rebels goals>Other
>>33701800>No one said it was.>Hurr durr>>33701082>what ugliness? so far almost every single thing we were told about it is ridiculously squeaky clean.>>33701160>even after toppling the demon lords, there will still be military leaders and aristocrats whos power depends on this system and will fight with all might against this change>>33701313>the current system is LITERALLY pure evil. its not designed to be a workable government, its designed to be the most evil thing possible. policies are dictated based on how evil they are, not on how effective.>such "dissenters" are either insane or evil or both.>there is no ugliness involved>and if there was and someone had a legitimate complaint against the rebellion, then we can mediate or at worst just walk away from it and let the two duke it out in a world free of the demon lords.>>33701401>since when was it stated that the system was "pure evul".>Seems like your ordinary dictatorship + racism to me.>It's not like they kill babies and put their head on spikes or anythingtop kekremember when we say a bunch of people being sacrificed to summon demons?
>>33701785>OP, do we know how many Giants there were?In Wegenthals clan? 50 or soYou don't know about the rest of the world
>>33701958>Bokinhere we go, useless comments time>What should I do?>Rebels goals>will the ice giants support us if we go to war?
>>33701934That I can agree with. Lets bring the teaching of Velya to these people. We get points with our deity, and religions have a way of getting to places where ideology and reason doesn't.
>>33701831he ate her fate, not kidnapped her.i don't even think there is a physical thing to rescue
>>33701958>Bokin>What should I do?>Rebels goals
>>33701995Than we'll just have to use an axe and cut through time and space to get her thanfuck fate. no fate but what you make.
>>33701958>>I’ve reached a decision, no more talkingThe others don't have anything worthwile to say.So. The idea would be. 1.Start spreading the teaching of Velya. 2.Find way to break the Barrier so we can summon help from the gods and use the Horn. 3? Use the Horn to destroy the Demon Lords so we don't need to fight a five milion people army ?
>>33701903Then let it balkanize. There's no reason why the empire should stay in one piece if there will be large enough chunks convinced they can govern themselves better - as long as what remains is solid enough to keep peace between the others and their governors can be deterred from attempting to reforge the empire through conquest.I don't know how much tensions are there at commoner level - aside from demon-non-demon divide, which will bear addressing.Is it really case of balkans, where the tensions were ethnic, or is this more issue of Czechoslovakia, where the division was primarily political while common man did not care at all.
>>33702056Considering its a global empire. It will definitly have ethnic and cultural clash like the balkans.Probably no religion though, as far as we know that has been supplanted, and if we do good, we get to spread Velya to all of them.
>>33702042We really really really really need to start reading about the barrier and how to break it from whatshernames library/book collectionIf worse comes to worse than we either need to suicide attack the demon lords or go back home and raise an army because I seriously doubt the rebels ability to fight 5 milalso>>33701958Ask whatshername how much rebel forces there are currently.We're against 5mil. if its not at least 1:5 ratio than I say fuck this and give up on the rebels
>>33702042sound like a planalso, if the demon lords are gone the armies are likely to be split up between the various generals and nobles who would start fighting each other for dominance, massively reducing the armies in size.And also splitting the world into a bunch of competing nations that are much easier to manage and convert to our side
>>33701995Well, we are a paladin and an angel, there's bound to be something we can do about it.
>>33702042supportedour sister should be our first one to convince to follow Velya since their ideals coincide
>>33702096We might be able to recover it if we kill him.But I am not sure we can solo such a powerful demon at the moment.
“Bokin” you say, wanting to include him “What do you think of the rebels plans?”“I’m not sure” he says “Honestly it sounds very complicated, if we only had some way of forcing the Drache to change, like an army or magic or something, without that, I don’t think it’ll work.”“And what do you think I should do?” you ask himHe shrugs “I dunno, what you think is best?”You try a different tack “Do you think other frost giants would join the war against the Empire?”He thinks about it “Yeah, yeah they would, if you could convince them that fighting and not retreating was the best option.”Who do you talk to next?Pick one>Bokin>Sofia>Jal>Ellahi>I’ve reached a decision, no more talkingAnd about what?Pick all those you want>Gulkil Fernahcs, MP>Hanandrirac, Eater of Fate>Sumin Fallos, MP>Dravere the Sorcerer>What should I do?>Rebels goals>Rebel Military (Ellahi only)>Other
>>33702042Spreading religion should be high prioritygreat way to win points with Velya which reminds me>>33701958pray to fucking velya for guidance
>>33702140>>Ellahi>Rebel Military (Ellahi only)>Also ask her how receptive people could be made to the teachings of Velya (explain them)
>>33702140>Ellahi>Rebel Military>Rebels goals (ask about the other leaders)>What should I do?>Ask for help breaking the barrier>introduce her to velya and also pray to velya as well
>>33702167Our local counterpart.
>>33702092Keep in mind, the ruler is likely incredibly paranoid and capable of magic, so his fortress is a death-trap, and the warrior is leading all those armies, so we'll probably have to fight a significant amount of them anyway.Where did it say that they kept all 5 million trained soldiers in one cohesive army, anyway?>>33702140>Ellahi>Rebel Military>>33702145Goddesses don't work on a point system, anon.She cares about us and wants us to succeed.She'll probably be happy about us converting people to her but that demon barrier means it's irrelevant until it comes down.>>33702167Our sister.Try to keep up.
>>33702140>EllahiTell her about Velya and her supporting people who "spread joy" and how their ideals coincide.
>>33702140>EllahiJust how powerful is that Hanandrirac and what sort of creature is it anyway?What do you think Fallos's game is?Do you have measure of how powerful your father is?
>>33702140I'll support these>>33702181>>33702162>>33702226
>>33702140We need a god's help with this.Pray with Gendric to Velya
>>33702209>> if the demon lords are gone the armies are likely to be split up between the various generals and nobles who would start fighting each other for dominance, massively reducing the armies in size.>Where did it say that they kept all 5 million trained soldiers in one cohesive army, anyway?where did you get the idea that I think they do?>Keep in mind, the ruler is likely incredibly paranoid and capable of magic, so his fortress is a death-trap, and the warrior is leading all those armies, so we'll probably have to fight a significant amount of them anyway.For the warrior: teleport in, blow horn, kill demon, teleport out.For the administrator: go up to fortress, blow horn, undead heroes navigate traps meant to stop mortals, slay arch demon
>>33702145Seconding prayer, but later, once we're in private. Having our goddess's opinion would be nice, among other things how she feels about having worshippers she can't reach until we deal with the barrier.Also maybe we could ask Ellahi if she knows if there are any holy relics or stuff left from happier times. Oh, and if she's familiar with name "Konig".
>>33702260all the ones listed here sound good.
>>33702304Oh and give her a healing touch while we're at it. I want to know how she reacts to healing by divine energy.
>>33702297First plan would involve teleporting into the middle of an army encampment, and having to fight a *fuck-ton* of adds.Better to attack him alongside the rebel army and let them take care of the adds while us+horn summons focus on the demon lord.The second would also involve being in the middle of a city full of demons, rebel army's aid would help a lot.Several people seemed to think that having 5 million trained soldiers in a world-spanning empire meant they have an army of five million ready to stomp us.>>33702355Broadcasting divine energy in the middle of demon city is still a bad idea, whether we're in our sister's house or not.
>>33701800>You argue it is definitly pure evil because pure evil demons manage it at the top most levelI explicitly argued that the SYSTEMS the demons put in place are evil, not that every single person is evilI argued that anyone who fights to preserve those SYSTEMS is evil too.I further said that those who have alternative plan that isn't evil we can mediate between them and the rebellion.
>>33702384Okay, invite her for a midnight flight somewhere far enough from civilization or go to a warded location.
>>33702384>First plan would involve teleporting into the middle of an army encampment, and having to fight a *fuck-ton* of adds.it takes time for those adds to arrive, time during which he can be gang banged by a whole army of horn heroes.to attack with a rebel army + horn heroes would require tradition travel and will give him plenty of time to mobilize his troops and form battle lines, we would be far more outnumbered if we did that.unless the horn heroes AND the rebels can all teleport
>>33702465Do we know exactly how the Heroes arrive ?
>>33702384>The second would also involve being in the middle of a city full of demons, rebel army's aid would help a lot.I never said that the rebels won't assist us. you assumed I did, but I didn't
You excuse yourself to go and speak to Ellahi, you find her reading in the library.“What sort of army do the rebels have?” you ask“About 100.000” she replies, “Only 1 in 5 have professional training, and they’re spread across the whole Empire.”You also spend some time discussing the doctrines of Velya with her, she seems quite receptive to such teachings personally but when asked about converting others she shakes her head and says “It will sound too much like a fairy-tale to most people, unless backed up by tangible effects or action.”“What about the other rebel leaders?” you ask“Well I can’t tell you much about them until you agree to help” she says evasively “but they come from all walks of life and all sorts of backgrounds, rich and poor, blood and non-blood, soldiers, merchants and politicians.”“What can you tell me about Hanandrirac’s powers?” you say“Hanandrirac is a very old demon” she says “He doesn’t even make much sense to other demons, he does love to bargain, and if he has eaten a persons fate, can sometimes be persuaded to give it up, if offered part or all of a more valuable fate.”“Any weaknesses?” you askShe shakes her head “he’s not even fully here, some part of him still exists in Hell, and on other plans, even a magical assault would likely be futile.”“What’s Fallos’ game?” you ask“Him?” she says derisively “He’s an opportunist, only out for number one, I suspect we might be able to buy him off, but he’d drive a hard bargain, best to drive him into debt to make him desperate.”“How powerful is your father?” you ask“As powerful as any demon lord” she replies “his powers are specialised towards politics, manipulation, corruption and mind control, rather than physical might. But because of his intelligence he will have traps and bolt-holes all over the Imperial Palace – fighting him there would be suicide.”
>>33702489that is actually a good point, and HOW MANY heroes are there, and if they can kill a demon lord. and what happens to them when they redie...We need to pray to konig to ask him those questions. And since doing that, we might as well include sophie in said prayer
>>33702523Who do you talk to next?Options as abovePray to Velya?Y/NGendric optionalPray to KonigY/NSofia optionalUse Healing on Ellahi?Y/N+Where?
>>33702558>Pray to Velya. Alone.Gendric is still knew to this, I don't think that would help. Especially if Velya doesn't answer.>Pray to Konig. With Sofia.We kinda need her, she is blessed by him, so it would improve our odds.
>>33702413She'd probably take the opportunity to try and get in our pants.Seriously, look at what you're suggesting from her point-of-view.>Ellahi's mind:>>Midnight flight>Somewhat romantic, possibility of lewd things>>Far enough from civilization, or in a warded location>She's so shy! Possibly also a screamer.>>33702465>It would take the soldiers in the camp we just teleported into the middle of a while to arriveWhat.We can probably move a fair amount of rebels discreetly.Maybe try and get some of his officers to go turncoat or replaced with rebel shapeshifter spies?>>33702506That was my bad, honestly.>>33702558Y, later on, alone.Y, include Sofia.N, warded location if I lose the vote.
>>33702523How often does her father leave the palace?Actually, assassinating him when he next leaves via horn heroes might be the ideal plan. then the empire is ruled by the warrior which can't do management for shit and it will more likely balkanize. also he likely won't hide himself away in such a case.I think we should not deal with the fate eater. It is a shame, but we cannot sell him someone's fate and we cannot hurt him. Maybe one day in the future, for now we should instead try to convince the husband to turn on the demons because of what they did to his wife.
>>33702140>>33702222>>33702282Seconding these.So the plan is to help Evil-Sireyi to the point where we'll break the barrier, then we go to our plane with current party, and then Konig does a big Krusade against the plane, right?It doesn't seem like the rebel government would thrive when invaded by zealots. Whatever we do to help her make Demon America judt seems like it will be fruitless.Also, we have to do the angel thing to Evil-Sireyi, yes?
>>33702523>“It will sound too much like a fairy-tale to most people, unless backed up by tangible effects or action.”Luckily we have a new Paladin in the making that repented from his sins and tries to frind grace in Velyas service.
>>33702523I'm not very thrilled at idea of giving up "fate", whatever that means... yes, actually, what does it entail? Maybe after gods are let back into the world, they could extract whatever the fiend has devoured, but that's in an uncertain future.>fighting him there would be suicideso noted. Does the ruler leave his palace under any circumstances? Perhaps some sort of bait, but what could bait a demon lord to warrant his personal attendance?
Ok, roll 2d20 to pray, first is for Velya, 2nd is for Konig
Rolled 7, 9 = 16>>33702609>Konig's KrusadeI laughed more than I should.Kinda agree about zealots, but Velya is a super-peaceful goddess.Also zealots are less of a problem since Velya would send an angel to bitch-slap them if they get out of hand. Separation of church and state is part of the constitution.The angel thing was kinda agreed to be a bad or mediocre idea.Also expensive, and we have better things to die.>>33702663
Rolled 20, 19 = 39>>33702663
Rolled 15, 15 = 30>>33702663pray power GO
Rolled 4, 1 = 5>>33702663
Rolled 19, 18 = 37>>33702663HOLY POWAAA
>>33702601>What.Soldiers walk, using legs. we are teleporting into the bed chamber of the general. Even if the alarm sounds immediately it takes time to mobilize and they can't mobilize fullythere will be no artillery or battle lines, his soldiers will trickle in over a period of minutes to tens of minutes, plenty of time to kill him and teleport away.And that is assuming we don't do it when he is walking through a castle somewhere where we only need to guard a corridor or two and maybe get off a muffle spellif we move an army of 100,000 rebels then he will send missives to his other generals to come reinforce his position with more troops, form battle lines, and throw artillery at us and summons and fireballs from lines of mages and what not
>>33702588seconding thisplus take Ellahi for a night trip and give her the H
Rolled 17, 18 = 35>>33702708holy fuck, bless you new namefag
Rolled 3, 5 = 8>>33702663
>>33702601Eh, let her try. Her lust aura doesn't work on us (properly), and I don't think she would force herself on us. Some bonding could actually help too.
>>33702725>thinking we can teleport inkekles, you better hope the guy loves open skies.
>>33702684>Better things to DIE!What an odd typo.I meant to say, "better things to buy".>>33702725Oh, I see why we had a misunderstanding.You thought he'd be in a castle or manor, I thought he'd be in a pseudo-medieval war camp, leading the armies.>>33702779Teleport is a rank three spell.
>SuccessDeep in prayer, you hear the voice of your Goddess echoing in your mind."My champion" she says "I am relieved to speak to you, I cannot offer much aid, only advice, what would you ask of me?>Write-in questions
>>33702779remember that we can go through windows. basically, scry on him for a while and look for opporunity>You thought he'd be in a castle or manor, I thought he'd be in a pseudo-medieval war camp, leading the armies.I think he will be in both, most of the time the time in a medieval warcamp. but occasionally he probably walks into a castle (no manor, just castle). surely they have castles?
>>33702725>teleporting into somewhere we don't even know>middle of army>big drop of lightning isn't going to be a huge hint>thinking we can last that long or that the demon lord won't run until he has backup
>>33702808die, buy, homonyms...
>>33702834>what do you think of my "sister">how do you feel about getting a ton more worshippers?>Any suggestions on breaking the barrier?>any suggestions on saving this place
>>33702808Why would we go for teleport?Its a pretty big waste of exp when we have dimension door and lightning tele already. We need every bit of exp right now to buff our char up.
>>33702834>Do you believe I can trust Ellahi?>What would you think of a religion dedicated to you starting in the Lost Prime? Is it a bad idea?>Could my Elemental abilities break the barrier, should I be able to planewalk with them, or do I need to use an arcane source exclusively?>Any suggestions on what to do about all the fracturing that would result from this rebellion and the new government's establishment?>>33702852Teleport is not Ride the Lightning.
>>33702834>my lady, I would like to try and spread your message among the people of your word and beseech you for guidance and blessing
>>33702852>teleporting into somewhere we don't even knowscrying or physical observation from a distance>big drop of lightning isn't going to be a huge hintarcane teleportation doesn't do the lightening thing and we are close to getting italso, i am assuming we will be detected immediately>thinking we can last that long or that the demon lord won't run until he has backupHe is going to be cornered and surrounded by horn heroes. Who need to guard a single corridor against an enemy that has been denied of artillery, been taken by surprise, and can't bring their superior numbers to bear due to the small sizeAlso, if he escape, so will we.
>>33702834give us some fucking advice on how to fucking break the barrier
>>33702962>your wordTHIS WORLD fuck sake, sorry
>>33702953dimension door is heavily limited in range and lightening requires clear sight to sky.
>>33702953>It's a pretty big waste of XPIt's one XP, half an XP if we get AM3 first.
>>33702834>Should we help our sister with her disease ?>Should we aid this rebellion ?>Does she think we can defeat the Demon Lords with the help of the Horn>Has she tips on how to break the Barrier ?>What does she think of Dendrics swearing himself to her ? Can he be her Paladin one day ?
>>33702834consult on methods to break the barrier.
>>33702834How are our friends faring back in our world?Does she know specific angels or other powerful beings we could summon to our aid in retaking this world once we break down the barrier?How does she feel about gendric
>>33703064Oh yeah, totally forgot about that, how terrible. Definitly>How are our firends doing in the other world ?
>>33702996>>33702994It's also alot easier to stop as its arcane instead of divine
>>337028341 hour post begins
>>33703120It's also cheaper, more efficient and better at transporting groups.Our willpower is high enough to overpower most defenses against it, probably.
>>33703120divine magic is not inherently stronger then arcane magic.and demons are actually BETTER at anti divine magic then they are at anti arcane
“What do you think of my "sister"?” you ask“A troubled soul, in need of help” says Velya “I trust you will do the right thing.“How do you feel about getting a ton more worshippers?” You say“Every soul bought into the light is a boon and a blessing” she responds“Any suggestions on breaking the barrier?” you ask hopefully“You hae the tools in front of you” she says “You just need to use them.”“Any suggestions on saving this place?” you ask “A difficult task, and one that may take years” she says “But you were never one to shrink from hard work. I ask you this: Does this rebellion have the support of the common folk? Will they rise against their oppressors, or simply wonder at what has changed?”“Do you believe I can trust Ellahi?” you ask“I believe you can trust in her intentions” she says “Though not every word she utters”“What would you think of a religion dedicated to you starting in the Lost Prime? Is it a bad idea?”“It would be difficult to recruit followers in a place my light cannot shine” she responds“Could my Elemental abilities break the barrier, should I be able to planewalk with them, or do I need to use an arcane source exclusively?”“Your own powers may possibly break the barrier” she responds “though nothing is certain.”“Any suggestions on what to do about all the fracturing that would result from this rebellion and the new government's establishment?” you ask“Ensure that you have the support of the common people” she responds “without them you would break an empire only to found another Hundred Kingdoms.”“Should I help Ellahi with her disease?” you ask“Should you?” she answers “Yes, if you can help a soul in need, you should, but helping another sometimes has a price, I trust in your judgement.”1/2
>>33703258“Should we aid this rebellion?” You ask“A difficult question to answer” She responds “You might usher in an age of peace and freedom, or one of chaos, or a newer, more terrible empire, the future in uncertain.”“Can we defeat the Demon Lords with the help of the Horn?”“Yes” she replies “Though even the Heroes need a day or so to recover if slain, if you slay one demon lord at the cost of the heroes, how long can you evade the other?”“Can Gendric become a paladin?” you ask“He has already chosen another path” she reminds you“How are my friends faring back in our world?” you ask“They fare well” she says “Matthias has his rage under control, and Jianxi is preparing to leave to visit her homeland – if you do not return before she visits there, she may become lost to you.”“Do you know of specific angels or other powerful beings we could summon to our aid in retaking this world once we break down the barrier?” You ask“Summoning such would require a great deal of power” she responds>Further questions>Move on to Konig2/2
>>33703289Oh shit we have a time limit with Jianxi
>>33703289Thank the Lady for her guidance.Hmm... I wonder if Konig would be pissed at us if we gossiped about him before praying to him
>>33703289>Move on to KonigThanks the Goddess for her guidance.
>>33703289I think there's definitely some kind of time dilation between planes, given that we've been here for a few months and Matthias' training was only supposed to take two weeks.Ask Velya about the possibility of time dilation between the planes due to the barrier, then move onto Konig.Also remember to thank Velya for her advice.
>>33703414she already told us before there is time dilationanyhow, onto konig
>>33703289well I'm off, good luck guys and try not to destroy the world while I'm gone.
You and Sofia pray to Konig, at first nothing happens, then you hear a booming male voice, thundering in your skull “So champion of Velya, Hero of the Horn eh? Must be quite an honour for you to-”A pause“THE LINE OF JALWEYEN IS STILL ALIVE?!!!” That’s painfully loud, you can tell by the grimace on Sofia’s face she heard it as well.>Introduce Sofia to Konig>Is Sofia really your descendent?>Other questions (write-in)
>>33703507Guess I'll finish up too>>33703289>Move on to KonigNIGHT guys and good luck
>>33703478I can't recall that.Some people were theorizing that time dilation was a thing, but we've only contacted our goddess successfully twice before, and there was no mention of time dilation in either conversation.Oh well, I guess I'm just misremembering or there was a third time that I'm forgetting.>>33703544>Introduce Sofia to Konig
>>33703544>Introduce Sofia to Konig>Is Sofia really your descendent?>Help us to get your damn horn to work>Explain the specifics about your stupid horn>You owe us a thanks for getting your horn
>>33703289>“Can we defeat the Demon Lords with the help of the Horn?”>“Yes” she replies “Though even the Heroes need a day or so to recover if slain, if you slay one demon lord at the cost of the heroes, how long can you evade the other?”Interesting. So the heroes WILL recover from death at the hands of the demon lord after 24 hours. And CAN be used to assassinate them. the other one is just going to hound our ass if that happens.If we build all our plans on outlasting or evading the remaining demon.Maybe have an entire campaign to neutralize all the enemy's scryers first before taking out a demon lord so we can lay low for the 24 hours needed to recharge the horn
>>33703544Introduce Sofia. Although somehow I think it better for her to do the talking.
>>33703544>Introduce Sofia to Konig>Is Sofia really your descendent?>If we use the horn how many heroes does it summon?
>>33703544>fuckin god of war>not asking for tactics and military help>/tg/ at its finest
>>33703544>Introduce Sofia to Konig>Is Sofia really your descendent?>Does he have insight to offer on ther Demon Lords, since they arrived when he was still involved with this world.
>>33703661that reminds me. if we do go full military and war mode than getting Konig + Sofia combo to lead would probably assure us victory or at least give us a giant advantage.as long as we can maintain contact that is
>>33703544>Introduce Sofia to Konig>Is Sofia really your descendent?alsoask about the everburning flame, what is it exactly?ask how to safely destroy the demon lord trapped within it, burning as fast as he is regenerating.
>>33703593>Cursing and insulting a god and his artifactNo.>>33703603Scrying is a second level spell, we'd need to kill every mage in the empire, more or less.It'd be better to just get False Impression and Detect Scrying.>>33703661What, you just want general advice?We don't have any particular or hypothetical military scenario other than the numbers of guys, I doubt he'll say much we don't already know.
>>33703732hes a god of war.ask him whats the best possible choice to try and assasinate the demon lords and how much men we need to stand at least a small mite of chance
>>33703732There are only two tiers and our growth is massively accelerated thanks to our dragon familiar and eladrin heritage.Surely not all scryers are created equal, if we take out the greatest oracles the empire has, it would be easier to block the scrying of the myriad lowbiesalso, there might be a military school specializing in it where they are all concentrated
>>33703544>let sophia fucking talk biatches
>>33703815Oh, yea, that too.
>>33703782He doesn't know anything about whats going on in this world. So he doesn't know anything about the modern defenses or armies or traps and artifacts they might have. You can't make aa strategy with zero information. We can ask him once we actually have a clear objective and info.
>>33703782Yeah, a god's suggestions on how to fight the demon lords would come in handy, and especially how much assistance would he be willing and able to provide if the barrier was kill. After he's finished with talking to Sofia of course
>>33703799>There are only two tiersDo you mean ranks of magic?There are currently five visible to us, probably more, and we've invested half the XP we need to get the third.>Not all scryers are created equal>Finding the best in a military schoolSome scryers are more powerful than others, but unless we use a spell to ward against scrying it doesn't matter, it'll succeed anyway.Not to mention, most of the powerful demons can probably cast Scry themselves.Personally, my plan is to get Ride the Worldstorm or some other method of planewalking and just leave after we kill whichever demon lord we deem a higher threat.My vote's for killing the ruler first.>>33703835This, basically.
>>33703815>>33703782People with common sensewell thats suprising for /tg/
>>33703835What he CAN do is probably send us some generals if we break the barrierOR raise armies that could come in here once we break the barriershit, if we can break the barrier and make a standing gate he could probably send in an entire army to assist us, it would be glorious!
“Sofia” you say “This is Konig, god of warriors and paladins. Konig, this is Sofia Jalweyen.”“My lord, is Sofia really your descendent?”There’s a pause “Yes” he replies “for a time I lived on a mortal plane, to better understand my worshippers, but when the demon invasion locked the plane, I thought they had all died.”Sofia seems at a loss for words, having just found out she is a descendent of a God.Whilst she tries to reclaim her composure you ask “My Lord, how many heroes does the Horn summon?” “All of them not engaged in other duties” he replies “114 in total serve at the moment.”“How can I get the horn to work?” you ask“Break the planar barrier” he responds “Though young Sofia here could use the lesser powers of the horn on her own.”“Lesser powers?” you ask“Oh yes” he replies “striking fear into the hearts of foes, bolstering your allies courage, the Horns lesser powers.”“What advice do you have regarding defeating the Demon Lords?” you ask“I don’t want you risking my only mortal descendent” he says “Nor do I want the Horn of Alzurad falling into the hands of a Demon Lord, as soon as you breach the planar barrier you are to take the Horn, and young Sofia to the Cathedral in the city of Dornmer” That sounded like an order.“Wait just a moment!” flares up Sofia “Who do you think you are telling me what to do?”“I am your God” responds Konig “You’ll learn to trust in divine wisdom in time, child.”Sofia and Konig are now going ego to ego, it’s difficult to get a word in.>Let them battle it out>Take Konigs side>Take Sofia’s side>Don’t take a side but end the conversationLooks like you won’t get to ask Konig any more questions today.
>>33698618https://archive.foolz.us/tg/thread/33694081/#33694115>XP for Pirate attack and journey-stuff>4GXP>2AXPI am not seeing that we spent this in last thread andhttp://pastebin.com/tsAx3JGT>Sorcerer Magic 3 -5XP spent, 4XP more requiredSo, we just got 4GXP and are 4GXP short to sorcerer level 3.Can we get sorc level 3?
>>33703947>Let them battle it outThis should be interesting
>>33703947>Take Sofia’s sideWe can agree that the safety of the Horn and Sofia is paramount, but both a Paladin and the Horn were meant to fight exactly this kind of evil.He can have his Horn once we are done here, but Sofias way his her own decision.
>>33703947Feeling cheeky today.>Divine powers are strong with her. She is more than a mere mortal.>Do you want to start your relationship with your great-granddaughter this way?
>>33703988>Can we get sorc level 3?If players want to, sure
>>33703947>Take Sofia’s sideIts his Horn, but its her life.She's been Paladin without him just fine, she doesn't owe him anything for being his mortal byblow.
>>33703988There was no real point since we can't get any spells for it yet so nobody wanted to bother spending XP.I wouldn't oppose finishing off Sorc 3.We're saving that 2 AXP for one of the 12 XP angel abilities, though.
>>33704071I am all for itDidn't we have other unspent XP? how much XP do we actually have unspent total right now?>There was no real point since we can't get any spells for it yetgetting it will produce a growth spurt in our dragon familiar
Tell him we'll bring Sofia to safety if he promises to help us in reconquering this plane.
>>33704160No matter what creed or world you hail from, blackmailing a god is always a really fucking bad idea.
>>33704214I agreeIt would be better to appeal to his warlike nature
>>33704160>>33704236I don't want Konig's help in that way, honestly.He's one of those hard-line, 'demons are always bad' kind of gods.Slaughtering thousands of people for no reason other than their blood is something we should avoid like the fucking plague.
>>33704214A lot of the times mortals made Olympians swear an oath on the River Styx, everything did go to shit, so that logic is sound.
>>33704259hm, yeah, after the barrier's gone we might actually have a tiefling genocide to prevent.Unless we're really good at proselytyzing Velya's faih
You decide to intervene “My Lord” you say to Konig “Sofia hasn’t taken any sort of vow to you, so it would be improper for you to give her any orders.”“And I’m not taking any such vow!” chips on Sofia “I’d swear to serve...to serve Jal first!”“You are a Hero of the Horn and as such are a follower of mine!” insists Konig.“I swore to serve Velya before that, my lord” you say “And Velya has given me no specific instructions regarding Sofia.”Silence“Well” says Konig “Speak to me again once you have come to your senses.” And then he is gone.Sofia jumps to her feet and starts pacing back and forth “The nerve! The arrogance!” she fumes. Maybe it runs in the family.And with that we end the thread, next thread will be deciding on a course of action, and embarking on it.Next thread expected 9am Thursday BST. I’ll post on twitter closer to the time.Thank you everyone for playing and I hope you enjoyed it.I’ll hang around for a few minutes to answer any questions. Comments and feedback appreciated.
>>33704326Thanks for running!
>>33704326Thanks for running Pally and good night. I'm going to go pass the fuck out.
>>33704326I like how this Quest is all action, exposition leading to action, and some more action. Part of the reasons why I like the characters is that they're badass and heroic. Characterization is fine and all, but action takes precedence, y'know?
>>33704326wow, what a cunt.Cheers for the thread, OP! Stay awesome.
>>33704409>>33704369>>33704402>>33704457Glad you liked it, hope to see you all next time
>>33704326Alright, so we seem to all have no objections to using those 4 GXP to finish off Sorc 3, right?Also, I feel the need to mention something, apologies in advance if doing the following has violated some protocol I'm unaware of.I'm currently working on compiling this quest and all it's threads into a google doc so that newfriends can catch up easier, and for whatever reasons people normally do these things.However, I've never done this kind of thing before, so if anyone has any kind of advice or knowledge on how to do this, I'm all ears.I'm currently using the HQR e-books as a guideline.I've only gotten up to thread three transcribed currently, with a nonzero amount of error-checking.I should be fully transcribed up to now by Thursday.Error/Question/Suggestion Dump incoming.
Character Sheet error:>Armour: No-So-Heavy ArmourShould be:>Armour: Not-So-Heavy ArmourCharacter sheet errors:>and learned how to turn the system of rules to your advantage >you learned a great deal about magic and made a lot of friends >you found a flaw in his summoning circle, allowing the demon to drag him back to Hell and devour him These three are under 'Training' and need periods after each of them. (I.E. advantage. friends. him.)Rules error:>The pregnancies are normal in almost every respect, they give birth to angel-blooded children.Should be:>The pregnancies are normal in almost every respect, except that they give birth to angel-blooded children.It sounds a little odd, currently.Rules error:Heaven's Rebirth has been removed from under Redeeming Touch.I don't know if this is intentional, but I'm assuming that it's not.Rules error:The formatting on:>Lightning Mastery>Storm Winds>Divine Warrior>Angel's Fire>Angel's Sight>Smite>Redeeming Touch>Healing TouchNeeds correction to the universal format that was agreed upon (Slightly modified):>Ability: Description>Race or External Factor: [Race and External Factor Bonus Description] (I.E. Half-Angel and Virgin Bonuses)>Rank 1 - [R1 Description]>Rank 2 - [R2 Description]>Rank 3 - [R3 Description]>Extrapolative 1: [E1 Description]>List-Type Extrapolative (i.e. Titan Extrapolatives): [Description]> [Capability 1]> [Capability 2]> [Etc.]>Extrapolative 2: [E2 Description]Rules error:Jianxi, Isla and Matthias' special rules for statistic purchasing should be removed and replaced by any unique rules of Sofia, Jal, and Gendric.You could just leave their rules in, of course, so long as you add our other new friends to it.Not that it matters much since OP handles party XP, but I like to be able to double-check that all of OP's math is correct
Rules suggestion:I would appreciate it if every instance of "(already purchased)" appearing after a bought skill level had that skill level removed from the rules sheet, for consistency's sake.Alternatively, a method that may cut down on confusion would be to add back in all purchased levels of every skill but have "[PURCHASED]" displayed before them.Purchased or otherwise unattainable peripherals and extrapolatives should still be removed.Rules suggestion:Please do not write the unique rules for NPC party members in first-person, I.E. every instance of "you're" in Bokin's unique rules would be "he's".Party error:>Bokins mother told him storiesShould be:>Bokin's mother told him storiesParty error(s):>Jals Past>Gendric Past>Bokins Past>Sofias PastShould be:>Jal's Past>Gendric's Past>Bokin's Past>Sofia's PastQuestion:Does the +2 base willpower from the Lightning Core event mean that we now need to spend 3XP per point, or are our next two points still 2XP, as it would've been had we not gotten that bonus?Question:About the specifics of Angel's Lantern:Is it in any way vulnerable to damage?If so, how durable is it; Is it vulnerable to all damage or only magical attacks?Is summoning it a rapid action or does it take a regular action?Is the defensive boost at first rank a +1 or +2? I can understand if you'd rather not say.
>>33704605>>33704637Thank you for spotting those autism anon, I'll get those updated in time for next thread.As always, your hard work is appreciated.
I hope we break through that barrier quickly. I don't want to lose what friendship we had with Jianxi.
>>33704691I was thinking we could get Dream (R3 spell) to talk to her across the planes and try to persuade her not to go until we get back.We could also use it to catch up with our other friends.
>>33704740Using Dream will cause you to appear in that persons dream as they see you.It will be hilariousDo it
>>33704740>>33704772sounds like a plan
>>33704772>implying titty monsterOkay. Although I'd rather just tell her that we haven't forgotten about her and the rest and that once we get back to our homeworld, she can count on our help.
>>33704457He is worried about the safety of his charges and treats them like the children they are (because lets face it, "almost 18" is young even for a human, much less an ancient god)
>>33704326well this could have gone better
So when Velya told us we have tools in front of us, I'm going to assume she meant the Mystery Box.We need to tinker with the Mystery Box. And perhaps look through the library of our sister for information on it.
>>33705862Also could have meant our angelic abilities, which she said was possible, or our arcane ability combined with our sister's tome on trans-dimensional magic.Mystery Box could also be the solution, but we should consider all possibilities.
I apologize for my bitching about Sireyi's height in the previous thread. It's sorta like one of those "Straw that broke the camel's back" type deals.Like, "What else can we do to make this beacon of purity better than everyone? Ooh, I know let's make her TALLER!" I had no problem with it at first, but after a few weeks of "She studied law" and "She knows how to strip well" and "Now she's half-dragon sometimes," it started bugging me to no end.