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You are Zhu Xing, from the city of Xu Chang. You've finished your Southern Campaign against Wang Lang, but are now beset by Yuan Shu's force attacking. Fortunately for you, Chen Gong has arranged for your force to meet with Liu Biao's army to face Yuan Shu.

Character Profile: http://pastebin.com/UTDjnUuX
Past threads: http://archive.foolz.us/tg/search/subject/three%20kingdoms%20quest/
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In a week after you receive instructions from Chen Gong, you finally set out with five thousand of your troops to rendezvous with Liu Biao's army to face Yuan Shu's force led by Ji Ling. You are informed that you will meet Liu Biao's army at Jing, and set out to face Ji Ling on the Chang Jiang River. Unfortunately, your forces are small and you have no sizable warships. It would be wise to make good use of your ally.

Before you set out, you have to time to buy some items.

>Stalwart's Spear: 300 gold (Spear, +3 War)
>Killing Edge: 300 gold (Sword, +3 War)
>Reinforced Iron Armor: 150 gold (+2 War)
>Rattan Armor: 150 gold (+1 War, Very strong and light against blades and arrows. More injuries from fire however, and you look like a barbarian)
>Black Blaze: 100 gold (Horse, slightly fast and strong)
>Champion: 150 gold (Horse, +1 Lead, slightly fast and strong)
>White Mark 200 (Horse, +1 War, fast and strong)
>Family Banner: 100 gold (+2 Pol, People recognize your clan better and your fame grows slight better)
>Treaties on the State: 250 gold (+5 Pol)
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>On Stratagems: 150 gold (Int +2)
>Trickery and Deceit: 200 gold (10% roll when doing plots and ploys)
>Public Works: 100 gold (Pol +1, better city improvement)
>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
>General's Fan: 75 gold (Lea +1)
>Silk Robes: 150 gold (+3 Cha)
>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
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>>33570642
Awww yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbk65A8gOj4&list=PLA57AF5CEA0F8D4E7&index=2
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>>33570651
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)

Boosting 3 important stats. Charisma has proven itself to be important, but we also need to be boosting Leadership and Intelligence at the same time.
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>>33570651
>better city improvement)
Could you expand upon this?
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>>33570651
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
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>>33570651
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)

Sun tzu we are not but we need leadership & Int

also I think if we have the chance we should recruit people who have a history with the south namely Wu
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>>33570651
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
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>>33570642
>Trickery and Deceit: 200 gold (10% roll when doing plots and ploys)
>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
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>>33570651
>Silk Robes: 150 gold (+3 Cha)
Need more charisma.
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Ah yeah, time for Three Kingdoms!

>>33570686
Seconding this.
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>>33570651
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
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>>33570642
>Silk Robes: 150 gold (+3 Cha)
>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
>Black Blaze: 100 gold (Horse, slightly fast and strong)
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>>33570651

>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
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>>33570651
>>33570686
Boost as many stats as we can.
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>>33570651
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
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>>33570701
There will be kingdom building later on. Kingdom will have stats like in the Civilization threads that pop up. The item will make it more effective.
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>>33570651
This
>>33570707
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>>33570791
That'd probably be a good thing to grab then.
But I suppose we'll have to wait since 90% of the votes have already been done.
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>>33570791
How much do we get for selling items?
We need a better horse.
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>>33570651
>>On Stratagems: 150 gold (Int +2)
>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
>Reinforced Iron Armor: 150 gold (+2 War)

Sell our old armor to get to 400.
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>>33570651
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
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>>33570813
>>33570791
>tfw being the minority
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Brothers, let's do this.
>>33570651
>art of war
>army banner
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>>33570651
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
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>>33570651
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
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>>33570651
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
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>>33570651
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)

As we've seen, cha is important in making sure our interactions work.
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>>33570651
>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
>Silk Robes: 150 gold (+3 Cha)
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>>33570651
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
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>>33570651
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
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>>33570651
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
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>>33570791

Do we have a map?
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>>33570651
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
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>>33570813

I want to know if it boosts our subordinates as well.

If we leave the city improvement to Yu Fan or Yan Jun as I predict we will, then the item would be useless unless it boosts them as well.
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>>33570977

I think that it might actually be a boost to our income.
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>>33570878
Plus you know, the whole we will be working closely with our ally. That's going to be a Charisma (and maybe Intelligence) check for sure.
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>>33570651
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
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>>33570651
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
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>>33570651
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
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>>33570651
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
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>>33570651
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
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>>33571003

That might be useful, but a confirmation from Raian would be needed.

The Pol bonus alone wouldn't be worth it considering our various needs and wants (LDR, INT, CHA, Faster Horse, Better Armor)
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>>33571007

Also, the cha upgrades have the cheapest cost to stat point increases:
50 credits for 1 stat point.
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>>33570651
200 for the art of war
that leaves us with 185. If selling our old horse gets us 15, we should buy White Mark. If not, Champion. It's like the banner, but better.
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>>33570791
Hey Raian just a suggestion but maybe put a time cap on voting say 10 minutes?
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>>33571071

Well, the way I see it, its pumping money into making our city a better place. I think such an investment is worth it, on its own and should be looked into.

>Also, raian clarifying.
>laughing cow cows
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>>33571105

He probably already does that, he just doesn't say "Voting Over"
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>>33570651
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
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>>33570651
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
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>>33570651
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
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>>33570651
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
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>>33570651
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
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>>33570651

>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
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Let me tell you a story from Romance of how Zhuge Liang got 130k arrows.

Zhou Yu was intent on humiliating Zhuge Liang, and so asked him an impossible feat, gaining 100k arrows on his own, within ten days.

Zhuge Liang laughed, and say he could do it in three, and pledged his life to the order.

Lu Su was asked by Zhuge Liang if he may borrow boats and straw.

Moving forwards with the boats, covered with bales of straw, he calmly sat drinking tea as his non-combatant troops challenged the might of a million of Cao Cao's troops.

However it was foggy on that day, and Cao Cao suspected it was a Wu trap, to lure his forces out. So he simply ordered to have his troops shoot arrows at the enemy, as well as order more troops to aid in the shooting.

Calmly drinking tea, Zhuge Liang's ships accepted the arrows with no casualties, as they all were stuck in the straw. He turned his ships around to gain another side filled with arrows, and then reported back to Zhou Yu.

This mother fucker is the best strategist in the three kingdoms by far. If his prowess was martial instead of strategic, he would easily rival Lu Bu, perhaps even surpass him.
He can also read into people like a mother fucker, as shown exactly by the actions leading up to this incident, he would have no problem controlling Lu Bu's anger, he would most likely be able to tame him, and make sure he becomes a proper commander.

We need this man. Cheng Gong is good, but he is not Zhou Yu or Guo Jia.
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>Be top Sinaboo.
>Wank endlessly over Chinese history/lit.
>Live in China for like a year even though I was absolute shit at the language and fucking hate rice.
>Pine endlessly for a good san guo quest.
>Closest I ever get is Kongming's Sangoku quest or Stratocumulous' Retainer Quest.
>Finally drift off /tg/ for a few months.
>Miss ten threads of this.
FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU-

>>33570642
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
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>>33570651
>>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)

We have a battle to fight
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>>33570651
>Art of War: 250 gold (Lea +2, Int +2)
>Army Banner: 75 gold (Lea +1)
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>>33570651
>>Silk Robes: 150 gold (+3 Cha)
>>Gold Medallion: 100 gold (+2 Cha)
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>>33571201
We'd need to sit on his front lawn for like a fucking week in order to just talk to him. that's time we can spend on other things than an overblown strategist.
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inb4 folks get salty when interactions with other characters dont go well because of a lack of cha

Also, Raian, final destination?
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>>33571201
your specially if we're going hard mode Wei soon.
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Guys, you can stop voting now. The winners pretty much been decided a while ago.
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>>33571201

Historical Zhuge Liang wasn't the best strategist. His Northern Expeditions were counterproductive and easily stopped. Liu Bei and Zhang Fei were superior battlefield commanders.

Lu Su, Lu Meng, and Lu Xun are our native strategists and Zhuge Liang isn't going to want to serve Lu Bu anyway.

Better to get a Pang Tong and Xu Shu instead.
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>>33571251
inb4 folks get mad when we lose this giant fight because we wasted money on shit we don't need right now
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>>33571251
>>33571282

We know for certain that our LDR and INT will go up by +2.

We are squabbling over whether our LDR goes up +1 or our CHA goes up +2.

This isn't a huge fucking deal. CHA is important for talking with our allies, convincing enemy generals to defect, and quickly placating captured enemy cities.

LDR is an important base stat, but we are fairly strong at it and getting a +2 bonus. A +2 CHA bonus will serve us better than a +1 LDR I suspect.
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>>33571317
>deliberatly going MAD when not required

You people are bad at this.
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>>33571244
>an overblown strategist.
Thanks to Zhuge Liang and Zhou Yu's forces, Cao Cao's forces of a million were crushed.
If we are to stay in Wu territory, we must act as Wu does towards Wei, especially now that Wei has lost the thorn in it's side that was Lu Bu.

Either we must go on an offensive after taking Yuan Shu, or we must use Wu's natural moat as a defense against Wei's assault. After he takes Yuan Shao, we will have little chance to defeat him unless we immediately take up the attack.
And even that is unlikely considering he absorbs Yuan Shao's dying force into himself, and we will be exhausted troop-wise after Yuan Shu unless we pull some strategic bullshit.

>>33571281
>attempting to follow an RPG-style of the novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel by Luo Guangzhong.
Zhuge Liang in Romance, is an absurd bastard with almost super natural abilities, much like Lu Bu.
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>>33571201
he also started shu down the road to ruin
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>>33571282
We're going on campaign against.

If we go by the previous one, this is probably a year long affair with multiple battles and character interactions.

With large pitched battles and multiple generals on our side, 1 point in leadership will have a minuscule effect.

However, in character interaction, there is only our cha stat and its a little abysmal right now.
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>>33571201
Problem is that Zhuge Liang, while smart, also stuck with the three kingdoms plan which was 'civil war forever'. Honestly, I'd go for Pang Tong than Zhuge, or the strategist Liu Bei had before Zhuge. They are both pretty smart and lack the cockyness of Zhuge or Sima Yi.

Besides, if he is Lu Bu of the mind, do you REALLY want him near Lu Bu to manipulate to his whim?
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>>33571343
No, that was BENEVOLENCE

>this is what shufags want us to be
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>>33571343
>Zhuge liang
>leading shu to ruin

Nigga he was the only thing stopping Sima yi from curb stomping Shu.
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>>33571352
>also stuck with the three kingdoms plan which was 'civil war forever'.
But we are in a world where Two Kingdoms seems more likely.
Liu Biao and us, VS Wei, is most likely.

And in such a case, Zhuge Liang's strategies will be needed.
>I'd go for Pang Tong than Zhuge, or the strategist Liu Bei had before Zhuge
Xu Shu and Pang Tong will be essential in the long run. We cannot have simply one strategist after all.
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(Art of War and Gold Medallion bought. -300 gold. Also, 75 gold every 3 months has been much too generous and overpowering. Will be reduced to 50 gold for balance.)

You set on early morning with your army in tow. To your side, Lingqi grumbles slightly.

"It feels as though we are relying on Liu Biao for the next battle. What are the people to say when we cannot defend our own kingdom by ourselves?"

"We are using Liu Biao as he is using us. Liu Biao needs us in order to compete with both Yuan Shu and Cao Cao. In the grand scheme of things and the bigger picture, we should use Liu Biao's reinforcements to our content," you reply." Besides, you may have a chance to see your sister now."

"There is merit to Lady Lingqi's words, however," Zhang Liao says intervening. "If we rely too heavily on Liu Biao, he may use this to debt us in the future. It would be wise to show our strength in the next battle as well."

You nod to Zhang Liao. The army travels for a few days, before arriving at the Chang Jian river where boats are prepared. You traverse the waters to Liu Biao's territory, and after another few days, you see Liu Biao's grand army at the coast. Unlike your forces, Liu Biao's navy is much larger and had bigger warships on command. You make a note that in the future, you should improve your navy if you want to have a stronger standing in the South.

You anchor your ship at the coast, move out to meet with the commander in charge. A number of Liu Biao soldiers whisper and remark about your force, having heard of Lu Bu and yourself who has been his second most helping hand. At the beach, a man comes to greet you. He is a lanky man, with a wispy mustache and a small beard.

"Greetings," he says with a smile. "I am Cai Mao, General of the Waves and commanding this force. A pleasure to meet you, General Zhu."

>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect
>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
>Greet Cai Mao in a friendly fashion
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>>33571352

Fa Zheng? I prefer him to Zhuge Liang as well, but he's in Yi province.

Pang Tong is who I want to go for, along with all of Wu's strategists except Zhou Yu
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
Let's impress them with our martial nature.
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao in a friendly fashion

Do not piss of the admiral.
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>>33571358
That Webm needs some context.
Zhao Yun had literally fought against 10000+ of Cao Cao's warriors, dived around the front lines to grab a fucking infant, and surviving all of that, as well as being an absurdly good leader of troops and warrior.
It's no surprise a baby wasn't higher on the priority
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect

Oh shit, it's Cai Mao
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect

They are our allies in this battle no need to be stern nor too friendly besides that 15000 is a great contribution to our cause
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect
>>Greet Cai Mao in a friendly fashion

As a capable admiral, we should know of his powress.

Greet him respectfully and thank him for coming to our aid.
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao in a friendly fashion
This man is a traitorous and ambitious bastard, we need to be careful but not be cold.
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao in a friendly fashion
He's all smiles and pleasant. Might as well reciprocate.
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao in a friendly fashion
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
Let's not have them think we're a chummy push over.
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>>33571457

Hes less likely to attempt to defect this time, since Lady Cai will not initiate a takeover of the liu household.
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>>33571394
Zhuge Liang was the one initiating the campaigns north into wei, Wei was in a defensive stance for every one of them. Sima Yi did a grand job of repelling him at every opportunity. Sleepy Dragon was under the assumption that Shu was a naturally weaker state than Wei was and Shu would eventually be overpowered and swallowed up by Wei.

>>33571400
Cai Mao is a villainous cocksucker, treat him professionally and sternly. Let's not get too buddy buddy.
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect

For someone self-centered like Cai Mao, this is definitely the best way.
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect
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>>33571400
Hmmm... honestly? I'd say be professional at first, followed up with some respect for his position. He is a great admiral, but he should understand that we can be more pleasant once Yuan's forces are repelled. Besides, we don't want to seem weak since it will look bad with our forces.. and we really don't want that as Zhang said.
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Are we still planning on marrying our sister to Zhang Liao?
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect
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>>33571394
Zhuge Liang's Northern Expeditions basically set the Shu in a decline. Although it was Jiang Wei who went full retard in trying to follow his mentor's example.

You also overrate Sima Yi tremendously. Cao Zhen, Hao Zao, and Zhange He were all arguably more successful than Sima Yi in fending off Zhuge Liang.

Besides, Cao Wei and Sun Wu were the real contenders of that era. The Northern Expeditions were a sideshow in comparison.
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>>33571550

I'd say Gao Shun.

Zhang liao does already have a wife.
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao in a friendly fashion
Really don't want to be this guy's friend
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
All business until we win. We don't want people thinking we depend on Liu Biao.
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly

This guy is a snake
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect

>>33571515
>See possible traitor
>Treat him coldly

You can't fail a social interaction this hard.
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>>33571550

Yes, or Gao Shun.

Sister would be Zhang Liao's second wife, but that wouldn't really matter. Gao Shun is unmarried.

>>33571457
>>33571513

Hmm, if we befriend him, do you think we might be able to use him when Liu Biao dies?
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect

I'd prefer friendly, but sternly is the wrong way to go.

I don't care what the meta knowledge says, you don't want to alienate the leader of the allied forces.
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>>33571515
>Cai Mao is a villainous cocksucker, treat him professionally and sternly. Let's not get too buddy buddy.

We can turn him into OUR snake

>>33571589

Possibly but not too likely. Ma
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly

We're here to win a war
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect
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>>33571620
No, we can't. We can waste time and then get backstabbed anyway. You people are stupid. Your fucking moronic +2 cha item will not let us use our second lowest stat to any effect.
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>>33571621

Not just that, this is an opportunity to build ties with our allies so that we don't turn on each other when cao cao comes.
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>>33571515
and he wasn't wrong from essentially day one the Shu/Wu alliance was the only thing holding off Wei when that broke it was all over in the grand scheme of things, Zhuge liang was trying to be preemptive in gaining the upper hand with his northern expeditions unfortunately they almost always completely failed thanks to Sima yi.

>>33571558
Fair point but I think we're forgetting that the Initial contention is that Zhuge liang is a massive asset to our faction which he is considering we're sorely lacking strategists at the moment.
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
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>>33571668

Zhuge liang isn't going to join lu bu anytime.

If you think he will, I think you misread his personality. Even Yu Fan had misgivings about joining and he joined Sun Ce happily.
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
Fucking shufags trying to turn us away from being a fighting general
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
Backstabbers are kept at arms length, thanks.
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>>33571703
Go ahead, why wouldn't Zhuge Liang, a man who wished to shape his lord to his own wills and ways, not wish for a master with the intelligence of a child?

>>33571738
Even Lu Bu greets people warmly friend.
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly

We're a general, not an asskisser.
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
this please
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>>33571400
greet cai mao in a friendly fashion
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>>33571721
>>33571717
>>33571711
>>33571697
>>33571695
This surely doesn't look like any sort of proxy faggotry here.
Christ, we've already gone to 128 posts and we've only done two actions.
What the fucking hell?
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly

so much samefag in this thread
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>>33571753
Because Sleepy Dragon wanted to restore the Han? Who knows what Lu Bu even wants at this point.
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly

why are people falling over themselves trying to be an asskisser?
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>>33571668
>Zhuge liang was trying to be preemptive in gaining the upper hand with his northern expeditions unfortunately they almost always completely failed thanks to Sima yi.

You are giving Sima Yi too much credit.

Zhuge Liang launched 5 expeditions, the first 3 failed with Cao Zhen as the Wei commander in chief. (Zhang He and Hao Zhao playing major roles)

Sima Yi was only in charge for the last two. Shitty supply lines was what really made Zhuge Liang turn back, which probably means the Northern Expeditions weren't viable in the first place.

Sima Yi also got Zhange He killed as well.
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>>33571703
Why don't we just capture him and break one of his fingers every time one of his strategies doesn't work?
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>>33571400
>Greet Cai Mao with praises and respect
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>>33571703
no I realise that Lu bu is too contrasting to Zhuge liang in Ideology for him to join but he would be an asset regardless.
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>>33571726
>>33571734
>>33571759
>>33571771

And this isn't proxy faggotry?
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>>33571789
So Sleeping Dragon makes sure that Lu Bu thinks the han is a good thing.
There we go.

You're seriously underestimating how gullible Lu Bu is here.
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So, it seems this has once again become samefag central.. My body wasn't ready for this
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>>33571827
>a quest on /tg/ plagued by samefags

who would've forseen this
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>>33571703
no I realise that Lu bu is too contrasting to Zhuge liang in Ideology for him to join but he would be an asset regardless.

>>33571798
right Thanks for the history lesson anon!

Raian for the love of god put a cap on voting.
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>>33571827

This would be mitigated if only Raian would post at the top of the thread:

"Only votes in the first 10 minutes count"

It wouldn't stop the samefagging, but at least the thread wouldn't be overwhelmed by samefags 20-30 minutes in.
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
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>>33571400
>>Greet Cai Mao professionally and sternly
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>>33571753

Because fundamentally, what Lu Bu wants is not very reconcilable with what Zhuge Liang hopes to achieve.

Zhuge Liang wishes for a three kingdom system to ensure peace. Lu Bu just wants to fight. Even in such a stalemate, he will choose to attack. That is not sugoi for such a system to work.
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You clasp your hands together, and bow to Cai Mao. You have heard that this man is the brother to Lady Cai, the mother of Liu Biao's second son who has married Lu Bu's daughter. You have also heard that this man has many schemes under his belt, and does his very best to retain high position within Liu Biao's retinue. You dislike his character, and decode to not act too friendly towards him.

"An honor to meet you General," you say sternly. "I hope that we will repel Yuan Shu's forces together."

"Hmph, yet, you bring an army so small and without even any warships," another voice says coming to the side of Cai Mao. An older man, with a bushy beard and sullen eyes rubs his beard as he looks over your forces.

"Come now, General Huang Zu. War is not always about numbers and weapons. The forces of Governor Lu Bu have proven themselves capable at the Southlands," Cai Mao says with a laugh and wave of his hand.

"Hmph, let us hope so," Huang Zu repletes back with a scoff. An unpleasant, and somewhat rude man.

>Ignore Huang Zu
>Throw a small slight against him
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>>33571814
bitch did you just call me a fucking samefag. I'm 33571771 and fuck you for accusing me.
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>>33571884
>>Ignore Huang Zu

Raian, please clarify what your voting time limit is. This thread gets taken to the bump limit so fast because of samefags voting 20-30 minutes in.
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>>33571884
>>Ignore Huang Zu
who is this faggot and why should we care about him
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Sure, so 10 minute voting cap then.
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>>33571884
>other
>Greet him with proper decorum as the situation demands

We are not as petty.
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>>33571811
>>33571861
>Lu bu is too contrasting to Zhuge liang in Ideology
Lu Bu's ideology in the novels was
"I want two things in life."
"Diaochan and power."
With slight hints of Might Makes Right.

But even in that he did not hold onto it very well.

>>33571878
Zhuge Liang once objected to saving the peasantry that Liu Bei wished to bring along with him.
But he knows how to manipulate people, how they feel, how they think and work. And Lu Bu, despite his low intelligence, is perfectly capable of reasoning.
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>>33571884
>Ignore Huang Zu
We can smirk his way when we prove him wrong.
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>>33571884
>Ignore Huang Zu
Why should we care? We'll prove ourselves in battle.
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>>33571913

Killed Sun Jian, one of Liu Biao's most influential and high ranked generals.
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>>33571884
>>Ignore Huang Zu
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>>33571827
Hey I just got here. If I wanted to same fag I wouldn't know where to start. Speaking of which why the hell do we work for Lu Bu? What year is it? Who are we really?

Aw fuck it.

>Abandon current lord and apprentice our self to Zuo Ci.
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>>33571906
I feel sad that I lack the proper copypasta gif for this occasion.
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>>33571923
This.
No need to do anything rude.
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>>33571923
THIS
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>>33571884
>Ignore Huang Zu

For God's sake why bother slighting an ally of ours.
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>>33571884
ignore huang Zu
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>>33571946
You might want to read the previous threads before jumping in with stupid suggestions.

Then again, considering the samefags in this thread it doesn't really matter.
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>>33571884
>ignore Huan Zu
Don't want to start an alliance out on the wrong foot
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>>33571923
Supporting this.
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>>33571884
>Other, "Well fuck you too faggot."
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>>33571923
Do this please
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>>33571884
>Ignore Huang Zu

>>33571924
It's evident in his actions that he was of the Might makes right mindset
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>>33571884
>>33571923

>Greet him with proper decorum as the situation demands
Better than you in every way.
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>>33571946

It's year 195. We are serving Lu Bu because we decided to work under Dong Zhuo and rolled a 92 at the start.

We started as a Lt, worked our way up to Guard Captain in Chang'an and planned Dong Zhuo's assassination with Lu Bu.

We became Lu Bu's second in command, but Jia Xu kicked us out of Chang'an and we met up with Chen Gong.

We headed South and took over most of Yangzhou in a series of campaign.

It's the year 195, read the archives before voting on important decisions.
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>>33571884
>Ignore Huang Zu
Fuck this scrub.

What is the barking of a dog to a tiger?
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>>33571990
>>33571923
changing to this
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>>33571884
>>33571923
This.
And why not throw some praises his way. He did beat Sun Jian after all.
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>>33571923
Best option
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>>33571990
>It's evident in his actions that he was of the Might makes right mindset
Indeed he was.

But it was also evident in his actions in Romance that he was a self-indulgent asshole who didn't really stick to any ideology or person unless it suited him.
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>>33572004
Nah man, we're a relocated northerner. Trying to take the Sun tiger schtick won't end well.
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>>33571884
>>33571923
Supporting
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>>33571861

Read up on Siege of Chencang when you get the chance.

It's like Zhang Liao 2.0 except Hao Zhao was up against Zhuge Liang himself.

He fended off an army of 100,000 with just 1,000 men.

>However, Zhuge Liang was outwitted by Hao Zhao that when the former laid his hand on the entrenchment, the latter had already seen through his intention and started building interior walls within the boundaries of the original walls.[5] As long as the siege towers could not pass the first walls, the soldiers on top of the towers who managed to overcome the outer walls could not climb the second inner walls. Trapped inside the two gates of walls, those soldiers who descended from the towers became easy target for archery practice.
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>>33571923
Do this
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>>33572045
Remember, we're going Romance, not historical.
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>>33572076

Really? Where is that stated?
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>>33572076

Did the second Northern Expedition not happen in Romance?
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>>33572089
>attempting to follow an RPG-style of the novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel by Luo Guangzhong.
Very first thread, very first post.
http://archive.foolz.us/tg/thread/32664983/#32664983

>>33572090
I'm not saying it didn't, it's simply that a lot of things are changed.
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Are most anons still down with this?

>If we can't marry Lingqi by 25-26, then we have to move on generics or easy waifus for the purpose of having heirs

>Marry off sister to Zhang Liao or Gao Shun asap

>>33572114

Sorry, didn't mean to sound snide. I'm genuinely curious as to whether they included that defeat in Romance given how much Zhuge Liang is hyped up in the novel.
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>>33572141
>>If we can't marry Lingqi by 25-26, then we have to move on generics or easy waifus for the purpose of having heirs

No.

No we cannot.

We absolutely have to marry Lingqi.

Because if we don't, succession for our side is fucked and Liu Biao's side has a claim to our faction.
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>>33572141
I think we should hold off on our sister for now.
Personally I would like to save her for Sun Ce/Quan, if we can manage to get them to defect.
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>>33572141
No. Lingqi is a lost cause, and I personally have no interest in trying to waifu someone we need high average rolls to get.

Drop her like a bad habit.
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>>33572164

Ah, shit, I completely forgot about that. Never mind, Lingqi for political reasons then.

We'll have to marry off both brother and sister soon then. We are going to need new family members.
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>>33572180
I don't care for Lingqi, but I want Zhu Xing's sons to have a claim to Lu Bu's empire and not Liu Cong's whelps.

I don't want to have fucking Cai Mao and Huang Zu as our bosses.
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>>33572210
So marry lingqi off to someone who'll deal with her bullshit and get a harem of nice generics for ourselves.
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>>33572223
Why have both?
Sima Yan had over 3000 Concubine.
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>>33572180
No she fucking isn't fuck we just can't do the Typical wine & dine Romance to her, Raian clearly stated we have to pay attention to her character & since she is a Tomboy archetype we fight & bleed alongside her or alternatively forciablly have our way with her or someshit and take responsability.

fuck their a whole bunch of alternatives but if we intend to give Linqi the kettle at least listen to Raians advice.
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>>33572247
Because Lingqi is 'hard mode' which means frigid cunt and thus just a waste of turns
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>>33572269
We'd probably get a spouse-combat bonus if we fight with her though, which will happen. A lot.
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>>33572256
We could just, you know, ask Lu Bu since its ultimately his decision. tell him that we're the best son he's going to get.
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>>33572223

That means handing the keys to the kingdom to someone else.

Do you not want to be the regent for our faction?
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>>33571884

>>33571923
Supporting this. We're here to kick ass, not deal in petty shenanigans.
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>>33572256
And then we roll badly and the turn we used trying to seduce her is wasted. Repeatedly

Great plan, anon.
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>>33572180
>>Lost cause

The pastebin clearly states she's our second highest relationship. Also, we need to marry her if we're to become Emperor and Empress.
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>>33572223
The question is who?

Zhu Xing is pretty much the default option because they would be scared off by Lingqi.

Marrying Lingqi off to the wrong person would also have negative consequences as we might become subordinate to them.

Lingqi is honestly the best option for continuation.
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>>33572300

Hey.

+2 cha
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>>33572300
That's were our skill comes in.
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>>33572289
>implying a figurehead was never controlled from the shadows
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>>33572323

Dude, the heir lineage would be the Lu Bu -> Lingqi -> our son

We'd be the ones controlling and directing until our son is of age.
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>>33572316
Such a waste of money.
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>>33572300

How many turns have we actually wasted on Lingqi without getting a tangible relationship bonus?

Honest question before I go archive hunting.
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>>33572300
see this is why we need Cha

>>33572283
Fair point but where's the fun in that?
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>>33572344
4 or so. We only got boosts in 2 interactions.
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>>33572344

1 turn.
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>>33572344
1. Every other time we've talked to her we've had a relationship boost.
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"I assure you General, our forces will contribute to the war effort," you reply to Huang Zu who looks at you in a slightly annoyed expression. "You have experience in fighting Yuan Shu. I should hope under that we may find victory in the field."

Huang Zu looks away, apparently placated. Cai Mao laughs once again, and speaks up with a smile to overturn the slightly awkward situation. The man has a way with words, if nothing else.

"Come, let us discuss plans for the next battle," he says gesturing to you and Huang Zu in to the command office. Inside, maidens are quick to set up some wine and cups as you sit down with the other two officers of Liu Biao.

"We are meeting Yuan Shu's armies at the Chang Jian," Cai Mao states as he takes a sip of his wine. "The winds blow south during this time of the day, so Yuan Shu has that going for him. We are informed that Ji Ling is leading the troops along with Chen Lan, Lei Bao, and the young Sun Ce."

Huang Zu scoffs.

"The little pup is coming out to? I shall grant him a grave in these waters and see to it that he sees his father soon. It is I that defeated Sun Jian and killed Yuan Shu's best general," Huang Zu boasts.

"In any case, I have already developed a plan to defeat these inexperienced men who have never seen naval war," Cai Mao states. "We will begin with a swift attack at the center of their formation, feign defeat, and retreat luring most of their forces to attack. Those men who know nothing of naval warfare will smell victory, and sally forth their sails. We will keep our best warships in station, and make a counterattack once we draw them in."

The movements of the ships and next few details are slightly complicated as Cai Mao indicates them with toy pieces on the table. A petty snake or not, it seems Cai Mao knows his thing when it comes to naval warfare.

"Where shall you take command?" Cai Mao asks, turning to look at you.

>Participate as the lure force
>Take the right side
>Take the rear and reserves
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By the way.
Zhuge Liang in romance also knows sorcery.
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>>33572344
One, and that was because we rolled badly.
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>>33572344
Just once.
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>>33572344
Well the last time we tried didn't seem to yield much results. That and I think the very first time didn't turn out too well.

All In all I think we've interacted with her 4-5 times and her status is she "Appreciates" us, which is about the same as how several of our officers feel about us
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>>33572339

I don't see why anyone would be against boosting CHA when its useful in so many ways.

CHA isn't just for waifu or shufags. CHA is for recruiting generals and strategists, convincing others to adopt your plan, and governing our territory.
Raian already said that we aren't exclusively a fighting general, CHA is an essential stat since we can't use advisors to make p.
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>>33572368
>Participate as the lure force
"I have been reading Sun Tzu's art of war, I could also try to create dissent within their ranks by asking for a meeting with Sun Ce."
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>>33572368
>>Take the right side

Guys, our men have little to no experience in naval combat. Participating as the lure force is going to be extremely dangerous against fucking Sun Ce.
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>>33572368
>>Take the right side

Our forces is a fast heavy hitting unit.

Us acting as the lure would not work well, since I believe they would not expect me and my generals to so quickly attempt to retire from the field.
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>>33572402
This.
LIVE ON THE EDGE
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>>33572368
>Participate as the lure force
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>>33572368
>>Participate as the lure force
We can't have them take all the glory, as Zhang Liao pointed out.
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>>33572368
>>Take the right side
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Remember that Sun Ce's mother lives in captured territory.
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>>33572368
>Take the right side
We don't have the men to lose to be the lure force.
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>>33572441
On second thought, take the right side: >>33572368
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>>33572368
>Participate as the lure force
It seems the most risky (I think anyway), therefore it will earn our considerably small force much more glory and prove ourselves in the eyes of our allies
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>>33572368
>Take the right side
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>>33572394
They'll realize this only when it's too late
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>>33572368
>>Participate as the lure force

we should take this opportunity to try & net the Sun family, their history with the South would help us sooth our ruling of the south.
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>Take the right side.
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>>33572394
Yeah, but since /tg/ is filled with min/maxing retards, anything that doesn't help out WAR or LEAD stat is deemed as useless.

The only stat that I would say is useless to our character is POL, and even then I can see a few situations where knowledge of the political climate would be a very handy thing to have.
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>>33572368
>Take the right side
Lure force is what our allies would want, but it could weaken us too badly.
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>>33572368
>>Take the right side

Moderation is key here
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>>33572456
Wei expedition soon friend
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>>33572368
>Participate as the lure force
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>>33572368
We will take the right side.


Also, everybody. I have a great plan. We find a way to kill Huang Zu and present his head to Sun Ce and tell him his homeland is waiting for him if he joins with the invincible Lu Bu. It could totally backfire and get everybody we know and love killed but it sounds metal as fuck.
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>>33572368
>Take the right side
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>>33572368
>Take the right side

Less casualties is better at the moment imo.

Also as a side note, we should totally give up Huang Zu to Sun Ce sometime in exchange for his loyalty and a place on his father's birthplace.
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>>33572488

We can make up for POL by having keen political advisers like Yu Fan.

We can make up for intelligence somewhat with strategist, but it's useful to have high intelligence for obvious reasons.

LDR, WAR, and CHA are individual stats.
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>>33572517
That's a terrible plan. Kill the Suns and be done with it.
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>>33572517
We're in a great position to do so actually.
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>>33572443
>>33572463
I don't think we'd get that much glory with being the lure force. All it'll do is deplete our already small force.

I say we
> Take the right side
We can still earn glory without stupidly getting our soldiers killed
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>>33572517
Oh shit I like you

changing my vote to
>Take the right side
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>>33572517
>>33572526

Are you fuckers serious? Don't betray Liu Biao like an ingrate.

Sun Ce's going to just Lu Bu the Lu Bu anyway.
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>>33572533
By doing that you lose:
Sun Ce - Expert War general
Zhou Yu - Expert War strategist (Beats Cheng Gong by far)
Sun Quan - Expert leader
Every single other Wu General in Shu.
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>>33572368
>Take the right side
Right side fits as way to get glory without needlessly getting our men killed.
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>>33572368
>>Take the right side
We are good ground fighters. After this we will need to work on navel troops.
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>>33572368
> Take the right side

We should let the forces with Naval experience take the key task, but we don't want to look like we're not putting ourselves in danger either.
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>>33572508
I think he's still occupied with Yuan Shao.

>>33572531
Yeah, advisers can help with that, but if someone asks us during a private conversation about what we think of *insert political issue here*, than we'll be shit out of luck.
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>>33572517
>>33572538
>>33572552

>The campaign went good for the most part, besides some ridiculous and bizarre plans being sent out there. As a note, doing really complicated plans that you would see in anime or something will likely not work in these situations

This is the exactly the type of thing Raian was talking about.

Don't propose "metal as fuck" plans because Raian will make sure you fall flat on your case.
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>>33572517
Your plan is bad and you should feel bad also.
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>>33572568
No, by taking him in we are guaranteed to lose everyone in Wu when he turns on us. This plan is utter idiocy.
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>>33572568

No, the only Wu generals with Sun Ce are Huang Gai, Cheng Pu (who we want to kill anyway), Han Dang, and Lu Fan.

The famous Wu generals like Lu Meng, Gan Ning, Lu Xun, Lu Su, Ling Cao/Tong are all in our territories.

We harbor Sun Ce and we might lose those famous generals. Sun Ce will never submit to a Lu Bu. He is far too ambitious.
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>>33572568
Not to mention Ce was an officer magnet, and we'd be sacrificing a ton of naval commanders too.
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>>33572583
who cares if we fail. I'd rather do something cool that gets us killed than something boring that gets us 5 more china points in the game, emphasis game, we are playing.
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>>33572517
Do you want us to become like Shu and backstab our allies?
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>>33572607

And Zhou Yu as well, but we are not going to recruit fucking Zhou Yu when he's Sun Ce's sworn brother.
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>>33572581
yeah but if we Intend to even stand a chance we need to get up in his shit as soon as possible.

>>33572583
oh you're still here?
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>>33572613
>he wasn't around at chang an

Yeah, newfags should be silent.
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>>33572368
>>Take the right side

We have absolutely no naval experience, we'd most likely just end up having our own troops wrekt by taking the most dangerous jobs.
Leave this to Cai Mao, he has soldiers to spare. We don't.
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>>33572616
Yup it's the other kind of shufag.
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>>33572555
>>33572583
We don't need to openly betray Liu Biao.
First of all, we simply need to make it so Sun Ce knows where Huang Zu is, he can take that from there. Second, under implied threat of his mother being killed, and the direct threat of Yuan Shu's inferior forces being crushed by ours, we give him a chance to escape.
Finally, we tempt him with an offer of being back in the Southlands. This isn't some sort of "Anime-style" plan, this can actually work.
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>>33572630
Bitch i was at chang an. We lost a battle.Oh no. I didnt cry like a bitch. We learned that Lu Bu does not have good plans and ended up getting Taishi Ci.
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>>33572641
Nah, it's the same kind of shufag.
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>>33572648
Your plan is terrible. How could you come up with something so bad?
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>>33572650
Xiahou Dun told me there are more than 79 distinct species of Shufag. You're going to have to be more specific.
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>>33572667
Mind pointing out some of the flaws?
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>>33572628
What are you talking about? Look, I've seen you follow Sominus quests. Raian has a similar approach when it comes to failures.

He wants realistic plans and he's going to penalize people if they do really elaborate, unrealistic plans.

He's not going to make sure something goes right just because it's cool.

I mean, that's been very clear throughout these 10 threads and his own Q&A. Another quest might make these plans work, but this isn't it.


>>33572613

I can handle failure, but I'm not going to intentionally choose failure because it might be cool.
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>>33572673
Xiahou Dun has a hateboner for Guan Yu so of course he has that kind of shit classification. Over here in not-crazy land there are just shufags who lie, cheat, betray and then try to talk their way out of it by screaming BENEVOLENCE
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>>33572682
It's overly complex. It requires everyone to do the things you want instead of something else. It points a giant fucking dagger at our own heart for no gain whatsoever.

You're bad at this. You should feel bad.
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>>33572613
>>33572613
That is the play style that I normally enjoy, but there is Badassery in employing even the most simple of plans m80.

A simple pincer movement or a well-placed ambush can be extremely gratifying
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>>33572689
It might not fail. Maybe not this battle. maybe not brazenly or in a way that tells Liu Biao we are totaly shitheads. But the plan could work. Our plan to get Taishi Ci could have failed too and it was, while not complicated, risky. We rolled high. I'm not saying we should do it if most people don't want to. But if enough people want to get Sun Ce we have possibilities. At the end of the day, its up to the group though. We can at least try to make Sun Ce defect.
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>>33572689
and how is this not a realistic plan?

he could easily drown or take an arrow/sword to the back in the thick of combat, hell he's a glory hound that makes it even more likely to happen, we're merely helping the natural process a little.
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>>33572713
It requires a single audience with Sun Ce, which would prove no danger to us.

Whether he chooses to act upon it and defect, is his choice.

No danger, aside from that Huang Zu may have a tiger after him.
But is that trouble really?
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>>33572682
Not him, but here goes.

1. Sun Clan's powerbase is in the Southlands, he's historically more popular than us there.

2. Zhou Yu is his strategist and Sun Ce harbors great ambitions, we won't be able to control him. We are basically another Yuan Shu to him.

3. If we fuck up Huang Zu, the Liu Biao forces will be greatly diminished and we might easily lose the battle. This gives Yuan Shu the chance to roll up our territory.

4. If our treason is exposed, the Liu-Lu alliance is broken and Lu Bu should rightfully have our head.

5. It's overly complex and if any single part fails, it's going to collapse spectactularly.

6. There's basically no benefits here. Sun Ce is another Wang Lang in terms of trustworthiness, except 1000x more dangerous.
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>>33572735
It requires Sun Ce to not rip apart our army after we present a giant weakness to him. It requires our own commanders to not try and reinforce said weakness. It requires Sun Ce to actually have a shot at killing this guy and not just routing his forces while he runs away. It requires Sun Ce to retreat after he rips apart one of our divisions.

No, your plan is terrible.
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>>33572735
>A single audience with Sun Ce would prove no danger to us.

This is not true at all, if anyone sees us it could rupture our alliance, and there's no reason to think Sun Ce wouldn't just kick our ass.
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>>33572730

The Taishi Ci ploy was relatively simple, and it was a Raian given option, not a write-in.

The penalty for failing the ploy was that we'd have to fight our way into the city.

The penalty for this ploy going wrong is Liu Biao turning on us and ensuring the end of Wu-Bu.

Sun Ce could also leak the meeting to Liu Biao's forces to divide our forces. He would then take us piecemeal by piecemeal and conquer both Jing and Yangzhou for Yuan Shu.

Even if the ploy works, Sun Ce is an ambitious warlord who wants his fatherland as his powerbase. The land that we are occupying.

Taishi Ci was just a different story altogether.
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>>33572772
Yeah, we're likely to lose our head faster than Zhang Fei if we get caught telling Sun Ce where Huang Zu is.
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>>33572772
Disguise it as a challenge then, we should prove am atch for him.
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>>33572811

Or Sun Ce could just tell Liu Biao's forces to break our alliance.

He could take everyone's heads then.
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>>33572825

Sun Ce is stronger than us
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>>33572758
1. True you are correct. Which is why he and his family will be placed in Shochun, Yuan Shu's conquered territory.

2. Indeed you may be correct here, but this is also why we will be deployed along with him, and attempt to keep him pinned down to us through brotherhood, if it fails, then we can subtly kill Ce, and raise Quan by having him marry our sister.

3. One General can be worth a lot, but Cai Mao is just a worthy a one as he.

4. Treason? We simply told Sun Ce the name of the generals about to take his head, as well as how he would be welcome if he defected.

5. That's the beauty, after the audience it essentially isn't in our hands, it's in Sun Ce's. And if he dies failing it, there'll be Civil war in Yuan Shu's camp as those loyal to the Sun Clan try to protect or save Quan/Ce.

6. Aside from being being curbstomped by the superior forces of Liu Biao and Lu Bu, re-joining into the place of his ancestors, keeping the Imperial Seal, and having a safe place for Quan.
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>>33572811
>>33572830

Indeed. Too much risk for very little gain.
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>>33572840
B-but we need to spread our points around to every stat, anon
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>>33572804
What if we just gave him the Southlands but asked to borrow Jing Province and then never give it back. That plan couldn't possibly backfire.
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>>33572844
>4. Treason? We simply told Sun Ce the name of the generals about to take his head, as well as how he would be welcome if he defected.

Go back to Shu with that shitty justification.
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>>33572860
Shufags would cream themselves, for one.
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Your men are lacking experience in naval battles, and as of now, you only command a third of the total forces on your side. Remembering Zhang Liao's words, you think it best to take one of the wings of the formation, where you give results but not be in the thickest of the fighting.

"We will command the right wind," you say to Cai Mao. Once the enemy is lured, we will envelop them from the side."

"So be it. I shall lead the center, and General Huang Zu at the left. I will order Lieutenant General Wen Ping to act as the main task force in luring the enemy. Wen Ping is strong and brave, and I believe him to be up to the task."

You nod in reply. In a brief moment, you look to see Huang Zu who also nods but also looks slightly annoyed. It may be that Huang Zu and Cai Mao do not truly get along well, and the former wants the center. Regardless, you give pleasantries to the others and walk out to prepare for the next day.

On the morrow, you set out with your ships toward the designated battlefield along with Liu Biao's force. Along the way, you notice Lingqi near the ramparts of the main ship, holding her mouth and looking sullen. It seems she is seasick. You move to her side, as she groans in pain.

>Poke fun at her
>Pat her back and help help her down
>Tell her to rest instead of fighting for her safety
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>>33572854
Sun Ce's one of the strongest generals of ROTK is my point.

Having all WAR would make us Dian Wei, not a commander in chief.

Raian also said don't expect to use duels to solve everything, so a more balanced approach is necessary.
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>>33572869
There can be little pinned on us by simply saying the names of the Generals who are about to crush Yuan Shu's forces.
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>>33572854
B-but we need to be an idiot warrior like Lu Bu, anon.
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>>33572878
>>Tell her to rest instead of fighting for her safety
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>>33572878
>Poke fun at her
then
>Pat her back and help help her down
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>>33572878
pat her back and help her down.

ASK if she wants to sit this one out. Don't tell her like we're a concerned father. Ask.
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>>33572878
>Pat her back and help help her down
Poor Lingqi
Ah, shit, that's a point, none of our troops are fit for naval combat...
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>>33572878
>>Pat her back and help help her down

Would she take well to telling her to rest instead of fighting? Insulting her is obviously out of the question. Would patting her back be seen as condescending?

Fuck it
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>>33572904
No, we just need to keep throwing points at our two worst stats and hope that'll matter in the near future. That way we can be equally terrible at everything.
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>>33572878
>>Pat her back and help her down
We gentleman.
Les go.
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>>33572914
This
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>>33572878
>Poke fun at her
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>>33572878
>Poke fun at her
Chin up Linqi.
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>>33572878
>>Poke fun at her
>>Pat her back and help help her down

Get her a little riled up.

Then remind her that shes is one of our strongest. We need her well rested and at her strongest for the coming battle
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>>33572921
>>33572908
Do not ask to do that.
Under no circumstances are we to ask if she doesn't want to fight. Unless she's pregnant.

Seriously guys, that is literally anti-Lu words.
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>>33572922
>Ah, shit, that's a point, none of our troops are fit for naval combat...

Thankfully the lure option didn't win
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>>33572878
>>Poke fun at her
You people are dumb. She's spent her entire life trying to be one of the guys. If you saw a bro being a little seasick, you'd poke fun at him. Then you'd probably help him out, but poking fun is essential.
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>>33572878
>>33572945
This.
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>>33572878
Yell at her and tell her that she can hardly expect to fight if she can't even stand up.
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>>33572878
>Poke fun at her
>Pat her back and help help her down.
She'll probably puke on us but we'll shrug it off.

>>33572908
Really? This is the only obviously wrong option.
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>>33572945
This. I like this.

We dON'T tell her to skip the battle.
Knowing her personality, she'll either take offense or just get mad at us and participate anyway.
We just, watch her back.
But we don't tell her that, or else she might think we're looking down on her.
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>>33572878
>Poke fun at her
and then
>Pat her back and help help her down
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>>33572965
I like this anon.
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>>33572878
>>33572945

Supporting
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>>33572878
>Pat her back and help help her down
I don't think poking fun is necessarily the best option, remember last time we were tried to take a jab at her it pissed her off.
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>>33572945
>>33572962
This.
But still help her
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People keep treating her like a delicate waif instead of one of our top generals.
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>>33572878
>>Pat her back and help help her down
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>>33572993
It'll be a good lesson for the ones that think continued pursuit of her will end well.
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>>33572844
Someone mind countering my plan here?

As it stands it only holds to fracture Yuan Shu's best generals, and recruit us a large amount of generals, and an excellent strategist
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>>33572878
>Poke fun at her (lightly)

Linqqi is proud of her fighting abilities, there's no way she'd except not fighting. She's obviously not the type to take uninvited physical contact well, given that we've never touched her like this before. However, her pride means she'll respond well if we goad her into overcoming her weakness.
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>>33572878
>Poke fun at her
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>>33572878
>>33572914
Seconding this.
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>>33572878
>Pat her back and help help her down
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>>33573018
Your plan has been countered repeatedly. Stop.
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>>33573018

Any unauthorized communication on the battlefield will lead us to be suspected of treason.

Furthermore, Sun Ce is a headstrong and confident commander who believes he's too good to serve under another. With Zhou Yu's unshakeable loyality, the two of them will be impossible to keep under control.

I say this as a full-on supporter of Wu, there's no way they'd be content serving with us. We should try to force him away from us so he can be a thorn in Cao Cao's side.
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>>33573018
Sun Ce is more charismatic and likable than Lu Bu.

If Sun Ce is brought into our territory, people will naturally flock to him, and depose the guy they see as a warmongering invader in favour of their beloved native son.

It is a shit plan.
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>>33572878
>>Poke fun at her
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So wait, if we're on the ramparts and helping her down, isn't that basically telling her not to fight?
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>>33573018
Your plan hinges on everything going the way you expect it to.

The first thing about making plans is to assume that it is going to fail from the get-go.
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>>33573084

We're helping her to rest till its time to charge above deck.
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>>33573046
Countered with what?
We aren't revealing huge weaknesses in our army, we aren't letting him hold a sword to our neck as we talk, and if he does join our side then we can control him by having him garrison Yuan Shu's land with us.
Future ambition? Kill him while we're fighting against Cao Cao, or simply befriend him hard enough. Or prove we're enough of a lord for him to respect.
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>>33572878
>I will order Lieutenant General Wen Ping to act as the main task force in luring the enemy. Wen Ping is strong and brave, and I believe him to be up to the task."

Wen Ping's better than Cai Mao and Huang Zu, good pick.

>>33573018

I'm tired of it. My basic premise is that Sun Ce will inevitably rebel against us and a Zhou Yu, Ce, and Quan is not worth the headache.

I want all the Wu generals except those 3 and old Sun guard. All the Wu generals are in OUR TERRITORY. Just recruit them, jesus.

Quan was also an asshole anyway.
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>>33572945
>>33572878
Yeah change my vote to this.
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>>33573108
This isn't Nanonha, anon
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>>33573108
I'm the guy that proposed presenting the head of Huang Zu to Sun Ce because it would be cool and I'm telling you, the plan has pretty much been vetoed. We've moved on. Its time to talk about Lu Lingqi's sea sickness. It doesnt mattter if your plan is shit or not, the group has spoken. Its time to move on to the next part of the quest
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>>33573111
We should totally turn SSX into our sex slave, though.
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>>33572945

This.

Poke at her lightly, banter like we sometimes do.

Then help her anyways. Because thats what comrades and friends do.
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>>33573073
>Any unauthorized communication on the battlefield will lead us to be suspected of treason.
So we ask if we can attempt to sow discord in the enemy lines.
>I say this as a full-on supporter of Wu, there's no way they'd be content serving with us
Which would be most easily achieved if he stole a hunk of units and provisions from Yuan Shu.

>>33573074
As I said, he will be put in Yuan Shu's former territory, along with ourselves.

>>33573099
Lets say it fails at the very start then.
Yuan Shu now knows which generals he is fighting, that is it.
Lets say it fails when Sun Ce defects, and he does not gain support, we have created discord in the enemy ranks and killed off Sun Ce, without being blamed for it.
Lets say it fails at the later stages, that is where we do have a problem, I will admit.
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>>33572878
>>Poke fun at her
Payback for the time where she laughed at our arrow wound.
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>>33573150
>wanting an a Shu transmitted disease

Liu bei pls go
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>>33573111
This is no longer simply about the Sun Family, it's about waking Yuan Shu's forces, Sun Ce is an extra bonus, which does not have to be permanent.
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>>33573185
>As I said, he will be put in Yuan Shu's former territory, along with ourselves.
Why would he stay there? Why wouldn't his supporters want to see him depose the bloody tyrant Lu Bu?

> without being blamed for it.

Unlikely.
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Whatever happens, we need to claim Chen Lan's hat for ourselves.
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>>33573217

Taking a dead man's sister is more Cao Cao style.

Based Cao Cao
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>>33573235
Weakening Yuan Shu's forces, sorry.
>Why wouldn't his supporters want to see him depose the bloody tyrant Lu Bu?
And Sun Ce would have then fallen into a trap, with no forces, and very little land, against Liu Biao and Lu Bu.
Not to mention, he would have also betrayed Yuan Shu, and then Lu Bu, making him shown to have been an unloyal man, which no one could trust.
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>>33573272

More friends for Window Boy and Yumi the Helmet?
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>>33573286
Forgot to link to >>33573240

>>33573281
Don't you mean a Dead man's wife?
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>>33573286
>making him shown to have been an unloyal man, which no one could trust.

Slave of Three Names

>>33573302

He prefers dem MILFs, but he'll take what he can get
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>>33573297
At the rate we're going, our accessories will have kids before we do.
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>>33573272
priority number one
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>>33573286
>And Sun Ce would have then fallen into a trap, with no forces, and very little land, against Liu Biao and Lu Bu.
Who says Liu Biao would side with Lu Bu? Who says our supporters won't be won over by Sun Ce? There are far too many variables here that you are dismissing.
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>>33573315

Yumi and Window Boy are far too young for that kind of nonsense!
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>>33573322
>>33573286
Guys look if we have an Opportunity I say we go for it then but until we bid our time because this is going to be a long campaign by the sounds of it & we won't be lacking for time.
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>>33573185
No, you tit, Yuan Shu would know which generals are fighting where, and can send messages to the rest of the army, saying that we were basically offering one of our general's head for Sun Ce, creating discord in our army.

Besides, Sun Ce knows that Yuan Shu is a warlord that earned his position through money and not through personal ability and therefore easier to topple at any time compared to our position where we are expanding rapidly, but still pretty vulnerable to external fuckery.
It would be trivial for him to fuck us over and ask for the southlands as a reward compared to fucking Yuan Shu over and have a harder time getting the southlands.

Seriously, stop being a retard.
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>>33572390
>>(Linqi's) status is she "Appreciates" us,

I'd like to go back and point out that this isn't true, her status is "Friendly". She's actually our second closest relationship.
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>>33573322
>Who says Liu Biao would side with Lu Bu?
Liu Biao killed Sun Jian. It's the other way around, Sun Ce would not want to ally with Liu Biao.

>Who says our supporters won't be won over by Sun Ce?
And join an untrustworthy man with no land and no name? Sun Ce is no little conquerer now, remember.
Sure, he may gain forces, but this is why we marry Quan off to our sister, making sure we have a hostage, and ontop of that we already have his mother as insurance.
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>>33573373
also if need be we need to weigh the values of Risk/reward.
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>>33573373
The only opportunity is to fair spectacularly. Which would be amusing for all the tears it causes. Even if everything goes as you want (it won't), all you'll have is Sun Ce's dagger in your back at some point in the future.
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>>33573388

We've done pretty well on officer relationship raising front,

Everyone appreciates us except Yu Fan, but that's okay he's an asshole anyway.

Our asshole.
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You casually move to the ramparts of the ship next to Lingqi, and place your elbows on the rails. With a smile, you look across the sea. Even with the warships, the Chang Jiang looks grand and beautiful. The birds flying overhead and their noises add to the serenity.

"What a grand day to enjoy, and a sight before we see battle. Would you not agree?"

Lingqi looks up at you with sharp eyes and a grunt.

"Sh-Shut u-"

She quickly gulps her mouth again and makes a lurching noise With a laugh, you move to help her by patting her back and then slowly setting her down to sit.

"The sickness is worse if you are standing. Have a seat for now, and just look over at the sky."

"Tsk... Why in the world do we have to be in the water? Makes fighting all the more difficult and cumbersome. I hate the weather here as well. Of all the places to have chosen for our kingdom... Bah, I can't wait till we take back the Central Plains."

Lingqi wipes sweat from her brows, and seems to have calmed down after you helped her.

"We may need to conduct some naval exercises in the near future. This river acts as a natural barrier from the enemy forces, but also acts as a deterrent to us. The northmen who came with us no doubt are experiencing some problems as well. We will need to get used to the waters for our future endeavors."

Lingqi groans.

>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her
>Return to your duties as commander of your forces
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>>33573388
It is?
In that case, my bad
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>>33573429
>>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her
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>>33573429
>>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her
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>>33573429
>Return to your duties as commander of your forces
No rest for the wicked.
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>>33573429
>>Return to your duties as commander of your forces

Enough wasting time.
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>>33573429
>>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her

We've got time
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>>33573429
>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her
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>>33573429
>>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her

You know we'll have to take the waifu route.

You just know.
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>>33573429
>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her
Cuuuuuutie
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>>33573429
>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her
No harm in spending some time with her here.
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>>33573385
>No, you tit, Yuan Shu would know which generals are fighting where, and can send messages to the rest of the army, saying that we were basically offering one of our general's head for Sun Ce, creating discord in our army.
So we send a secret message, but we alert our generals to what we have sent beforehand, so they know what we wrote, and won't get suspicious.

Sun Ce also knows Yuan Shu isn't as well established as Liu Biao, and the fact that Yuan Shu is fighting 2vs1 counts for a lot, especially with the amount of soldiers and provisions Liu Biao has.
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>>33573429
>>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her
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>>33573429
>>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her
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>>33573429
>>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her
Can't have our general out of it before an engagement.
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>>33573412
Then he betrays us and we kill the shit out of him. Or he doesnt betray us and we marry Lu Lingqi to Sun Ce while marrying SSX to ourselves, thus fully establishing Wu Bu while also getting our children in the proper position to be the da du dos that die so often.
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>>33573487
....but let's not stick around for so long that we neglect our duties.
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>>33573429
>>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her.
Then we should check on every one else if there is time.
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>>33573429
>Return to your duties as commander of your forces.
Check out how the rest of our generals/forces are holding up.
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>>33573509
>we marry Lu Lingqi to Sun Ce while marrying SSX to ourselves

Fuck off Zhou Yu
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>>33573429
>>Return to your duties as commander of your forces
Now is not the time for flirting
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I can see this totally backfiring, but at the same time, fuck bitches get money
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>>33573536
Actually, are the Qiao's married by now?
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>>33573498
an alternative is we have a bout in which we a) let him know where Huang Zu is in exchange for b) either pull back from the fight or c) Join us & marry our sister in which our clan is binded to his while we aim for Lingqi.
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>>33573429
>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her
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>>33573429
>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her

We have some time.
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>>33573555
At this point I'm going to just vote against anything you want because you're an incredibly stupid and annoying namefag.
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>>33573429
>Return to your duties as commander of your forces
Don't overstay our visit, we have an important job to do as General
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>>33573555

Gao Shun is 100x the bro that Sun Ce will ever be, he gets first dibs on the sister.
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>>33573429
>>Keep Lingqi company for a little longer and sit with her

>>Not conquering China with Lingqi as the Emperor/Empress combo.

I shigetcetc.
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GAIS GAIS I HAVE A CUNNING PLAN
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>>33573412
All we need to do is send a message or have a meeting.
There's plenty of time for that. Either way, it comes at no cost if it fails, but if it succeeds, we can utilise Sun Ce.
If indeed his ambition stretches further than being in our service, then Zhou Yu would most likely factor this in, and have Sun Ce leave our forces, considering the position he would be in if he defected

>>33573555
>Bout
>Against Sun Ce
Haha, hell no. I'd rather give up my plan than try that.

>>33573509
That would be a poor move, I'd rather marry our brother to SSX, and Quan to our sister, while he finds his own wife
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>>33573580
This nigga
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>>33573429
Morale may be low since we are doing a naval battle and Linqi probably isn't the only one puking out her guts. We should lead and raise morale. I already voted but we should do this. I'm a waifu-fag too but there's a time and place for everything
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>>33573580
I have a feeling he's already married anon.
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>>33573608
Nope, but Zhang Liao is.
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>>33573608

Gao shun is not, Raian confirmed last thread. Zhang Liao is the one with the waifu.
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>>33573608

Raian confirmed that Gao Shun is unmarried and Zhang Liao is married.

Raian also said Zhang Liao can have a second waifu.

Gotta read the Q&A, anon.
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>>33573580
>marrying off our sister to Gao "Lawful Average" Shun

Let's at least aim for a Xiahou.
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>>33573580
This guy knows what's up
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>>33573608
Nah man, Zhang Liao's the one with the wife, Gao Shun's not taken yet.

Besides, you can have multiple wives in this setting
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>>33573614
>>33573615
>>33573623
I'd rather find them both Qiaos.
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We should get this seasickness deal worked out before it becomes detrimental to our potential wife in this battle. For non-waifu fags, if she dies, Lu Bu's gonna have our head.
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>>33573635
Fuck forgot to take my name off
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>>33573623

The Q&A also talked about that massive shitstorm last thread over whether to execute or exile Wang Lang.

Unsurprisingly, the shitstorm was for nothing since both options were functionally identical.
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>>33573555
How will we have a bout with him in the middle of the river. Besides, he's on par, I think, with Zhang Fei. We'd get our asses handed to us.
>>33573498
They would get suspicious because Yuan Shu will send them a message detailing our secret meeting, and when Sun Ce moves towards Huang Zu, that's confirmation that we've betrayed the alliance.
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>>33573663
>How will we have a bout with him in the middle of the river. Besides, he's on par, I think, with Zhang Fei. We'd get our asses handed to us.
Would we? Our WAR stat's in the 90's now
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>>33573580
cmon man think of the legacy we could build if we bind the Bu clan & the Sun clan to ours.

Their is a surprising lack of Ambition when it comes to this quest

>>33573663
that is a fair point about how exactly we would duel but our 91 war suggests otherwise in terms of getting our ass kicked.
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>>33573663
>Sun Ce moves towards Huang Zu,
But he simply could have been ordered to do so. And if he's breaking orders then he'd have to face execution, by military law.
Which means he would have to defect first if he was going to act on his own. Which means discord, enough for us to make use of and attack.
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>>33573681
Only when you're deliberately being deceitful. It's 91 out of 104. He will likely have equipment as good or better than ours.
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>>33573628
>Lawful Average

You shittalking my main man Gao "Formation Breaker" Shun?

Historically, Gao Shun was probably Lu Bu's best general anyway. Zhang Liao was still developing as a general under Lu Bu. Gao Shun blew both Xiahous out of the water in term of achievement.
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>>33573681

His base beats our war by 1. And his Ldr is 90+
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>>33573681
Zhang Fei has a 99 in WAR.

The power curve here is in relation to a pyramid; the stronger you are, the fewer there are in comparison to you. Also, the closer you are to the top, the more ass you've kicked in your respective area of expertise.

That said, we're still a fledgling in comparison to any of the notable generals in the Late Han period.
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>>33573693
Please keep proving the rule that namefags are fucking retarded.
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>>33573681
If duals are anything like they are in RoTK X, than dueling anyone with 5 more WAR than you is a bad idea.
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>>33573681
his war stat is 90 ours is 91 with items
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>>33573725
and please keep providing evidence to support your claim.
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>>33573722
>fledgling

No anon, we're still a mook.
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>>33573701
>>33573722
>>33573721
>>33573731
Where are you guys getting these stats from? and I thought the Max was 100, and breakable with items
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>>33573681
>>33573722

Realistically, we'd lose, but we might be able to a decent showing before being forced to retreat.

Raian indicated that we could still win against Taishi Ci and Zhang Liao when our WAR was lower than it was now.

Still not a good idea to duel them however.

>That said, we're still a fledgling in comparison to any of the notable generals in the Late Han period.

This isn't really true. We are stronger than most of Cao Cao's best generals. I believe we are on par with Zhang He.
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>>33573751
Rot3k 10. Most of Raian's rules are based on it.
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>>33573739
Actually we're an average general, just about to fly up into our peak.
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>>33573756
>stronger than most of Cao Cao's best generals
Who radically outclass us in LDR and INT. Our stats are shitty, end of story.
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>>33573768
At this rate we'll 'peak' in our 50's. and still have never waifu'd lingqi
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>>33573767
Seriously? Damn it, that one isn't even translated!
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>>33573751

http://kongming.net/
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>>33573793
Cao Cao's best period was in his 30-40s you know.
Zhao Yun was also fighting when he was senile.
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>>33573767
>>33573801
Thank you
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>>33573796
...Yes it is? I was playing it while waiting for this thread to show up.
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>>33573796
The PS2 version is translated. Why Koei thinks the west wants these games on consoles and not PCs I'll never know.
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>>33573844
Because PC's are only for porn
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So are we all in agreement that we should attempt to play the defection ploy with Sun Ce if we get the chance?
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>>33573772

That's incorrect though.

Of Cao Cao's 5 generals and his prominent relatives, only Zhang Liao and Xu Huang have higher intelligence than us. Even then, it's not by much.

We "outsmart" most of Cao Cao's generals by good 20 points.

We fall behind a little in terms of leadership, but the difference between mid 70s and low 80s can be made up when we are so young and on campaign all the time. (remember leadership went up by +7 in the campaign)

Also these were Cao Cao's best generals, not good generals, but elite.
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>>33573858
No. Please shut up about it for now.
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>>33573858
We're all in agreement you should kill yourself with a rusty spoon.
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>>33573858
No
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>>33573858
Pffft, no. You're plain mad and crazy.
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>>33573858
Stahp
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>>33573858

Fuck No, what makes you think we were "all in agreement" anyway
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>>33573858
No, we're all in agreement that it is a terrible plan.
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>>33573858
No, we don't need him. Besides, he's kinda like a mirror image, isn't he? Head of his clan, two younger siblings, out to make a name for himself...

We must fight him.
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You sit down next to Lingqi, and you take out a small peach from your shirt to munch on.

"...You don't have to keep my company, I'm fine," Lingqi says with a frown. "You're suppose to be in command of the army."

"Relax. It will be a long more time before we see the enemy. I' will be here to help you out if you throw up again. I cannot have one of my generals dying before the battle even starts, can I? Want a bite?" you ask motioning to your peach.

"No thanks, as if I'm not in bad enough of a condition already. But... thank you anyway," Lingqi replies, saying the last part with some great effort on her part and an embarrassed tone.

You spend an hour with Lingqi, and you begin to understand her better. It seems she has issues opening up with others, but you've strengthened your bond with her nonetheless.

On the other hand... Some of the soldiers frown at their commander chatting and sitting casually instead of being in command of the fleet. Your reputation slightly goes down as a womanizer.
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>>33573864
I wonder whatever happened to muh nigga Dian Wei?
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>>33573868
>>33573874
>>33573876
>>33573877
>>33573881
>>33573882
>>33573908
>>33573917

Hahaha
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>>33573882
The part where no one started making any arguments, and seemed to give up.
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>>33573918
>Your reputation slightly goes down as a womanizer.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

oh, you waifufags.
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The moment of battle soon comes, as a soldier shouts to you that the enemy can be seen. Lingqi gets up and returns to her own command ship, her sickness almost disappearing as signs of battle appears. You quickly move to the command position, and order your ships to move in formation. It takes an hour, your men and ships take some more extra time than the Liu Biao forces. You can hear some of the Liu Biao men shouting and making fun of your men, to which they angrily curse and shout back. You are quick to shut your men up, though Cai Mao simply laughs it off on his side.

The drums begin to roll, and on the center, you see the vanguard ships moving forward. Arrows are exchanged on both sides. You observe the vanguard leader, Wen Ping as Cai Mao called him. A large and stout man, you notice that his command and stature in leading his men are excellent. When one of the enemy ship collides with his, you see Wen Ping being the first to jump in and board the enemy ship, killing a dozen or so men before the enemy ship is taken. An hour long in to the fighting, Wen Ping quickly orders his ships to retreat.

The enemy falls for the bait. Horns are blown, as the enemy ships charge forward to take down Wen Ping. Cai Mao raises his hand when the enemy is sufficiency lured in and your ships begin to move. Your force's task is to hit them from the right while Cai Mao takes the front and Huang Zu takes the left

>Keep the distance, and fire arrows in to the enemy
>Strike strong and hard at the enemy, engage in boarding and ramming
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>>33573858
No, it's a terrible plan that can screw us over in several ways with minimal immediate benefit and several long term pains. It's the equivalent of Cao Cao not killing Liu Bei and Guan Yu when he had the chance.
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>>33573918
>On the other hand... Some of the soldiers frown at their commander chatting and sitting casually instead of being in command of the fleet. Your reputation slightly goes down as a womanizer.

All great men are.

No regrets.

Any reputation hits will be restored once we take heads.
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>>33573918
>On the other hand... Some of the soldiers frown at their commander chatting and sitting casually instead of being in command of the fleet. Your reputation slightly goes down as a womanizer.
waifufaggots ruin everything
women are like clothing, brothers in arms are like limbs

which can be replaced
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>>33573918
>Your reputation slightly goes down as a womanizer.
TOPLEL
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>>33573944
>Strike strong and hard at the enemy, engage in boarding and ramming

We can't leave our allies out in the dark, flank them now.
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>>33573944
>>Strike strong and hard at the enemy, engage in boarding and ramming

We are strong, small in number, veteran and highly motivated.

XAAAAA
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>>33573772

Our combined LDR+WAR+INT stat is 229. That isn't shit. A score in the seventies makes us skilled, and a score in the eighties means we're exceptional.

There are only twenty-four officers with a WAR of 90 or higher in RTKXI, and a few of them are already dead.
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>>33573918
Is it really womanizing if its been really only one girl?
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>>33573944
>Keep the distance, and fire arrows in to the enemy

Our forces have not yet acclimated to water fighting. Best to stay at range and prepare to close the net while keeping an eye out for errant enemy boarders.

We have a big fat ghost negative since we're Northerners who are used to fighting on land.
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>>33573918
>Your reputation slightly goes down as a womanizer.
Why is that a going down?

>>33573944
>Keep the distance, and fire arrows in to the enemy
Our troops aren't Lingqi, they won't all shape up in the face of battle.
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>>33573944
>Strike strong and hard at the enemy, engage in boarding and ramming

Striking hard is what we are best at.
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>>33573928
We gave up because it is useless to give sagacious advice to a fatuous lord.
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>>33573944
>Strike strong and hard at the enemy, engage in boarding and ramming
They are the Anvil
We are the Hammer
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>>33573944
strike strong and hard at the enemy, engage in boarding and ramming
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>>33573944
>>Strike strong and hard at the enemy, engage in boarding and ramming

Let's show these motherfuckers not to invade us.
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>>33573944
>>Strike strong and hard at the enemy, engage in boarding and ramming
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>>33573944
>>Strike strong and hard at the enemy, engage in boarding and ramming

I smell something amiss but onwards regardless.
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>>33573944
>>Strike strong and hard at the enemy, engage in boarding and ramming

As flankers we need to hit hard and fast to break up morale. Firing arrows would give them time to figure out what is happening and form a plan.
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>>33573989
Xu You, you dare insult me? Ten lashes!
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>>33573944
>>Strike strong and hard at the enemy, engage in boarding and ramming

We keep getting fucked because we are too cautious.

We need to be aggressive here for the plan to work. Trust in Cai Mao's judgement, he's a good naval commander.
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>>33574008
Oh shit, changing my vote to
>>33573944
>Keep the distance, and fire arrows in to the enemy

this fucker is a canary in a coal mine. Abort the attack.
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>>33573944
>>Keep the distance, and fire arrows in to the enemy
Thin them out a bit then go in for the kill.
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>All the officers and soldiers know we have the hots for Lu Linqi
>She has no idea
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>>33573944
>Strike strong and hard at the enemy, engage in boarding and ramming
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>>33573944
>Strike strong and hard at the enemy, engage in boarding and ramming
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Roll 1d100, avg of four, lowest dropped.
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Anyone saying firing arrows is retarded. When you fucking pincer attack you don't pussyfoot. The pussyfooting part of the attack is done by the center you stupid fucking shits.
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>>33574050
We already talked about this. We need to have a lingqi conquest strategy meeting with all our top generals.

Then fail spectacularly at the plan they come up with. It'll be great.
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Rolled 18

>>33574064

Zhu Xing, Naval Expert?
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Rolled 68

>>33574064
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Rolled 52

>>33574064
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Rolled 21

>>33574064
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Rolled 33

>>33574064
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>>33574074
apparently not.
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>>33573951
But this piece of clothing just screams to me, "WAY UP IN THE LINE OF SUCCESSION BARRING THE BIRTHS OF SHITTY BABIES."

Lu Lingqi will be one of our most difficult, impressive, and fruitful conquests. We just gotta assassinate a whole bunch of babies and frame it on Cao Cao.
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>>33574074
Looks like that's a no.
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>>33573944
>Strike strong and hard at the enemy, engage in boarding and ramming

Keeping at range will not eliminate our disadvantage in naval warfare, only minimize it. Besides, this kind of plan relies on shock, not fire. Finally, we must be scene to do our fair share by our allies.
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>>33574074

Looks like we need to go recruit some pirates
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>>33574064
Average of 47 shouldn't fuck us too hard.
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>Avg 47
Come on Leadership Bonus!
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>>33573944
>Keep the distance, and fire arrows in to the enemy

Our men are not suited to naval warfare and we'll suffer massive casualties because the enemy is used to fighting on a ship, while we can't say the same for our forces.
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>>33574123
It will when we find out we're facing sun ce.
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Below average roll.
So we're probably going to be caught in an enemy trap, due to our stupid an reckless choice, while our troops suffer from their sea sickness.
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Lets look back at what just happened.
What would Lu Bu have done in that situation? He would have charged straight in and tried to smash his opponents as best as he could.
What did we just do?
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>>33574069
>>33574118

These guys are correct. You cannot afford to be cautious when you are doing a double envelopment.
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>>33574167
Roll badly. You can see that if you just look up a few posts.
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>>33574136
>because the enemy is used to fighting on a ship
According to Cai Mao they aren't used to it either.
It's probably just going to devolve into glorious chaos while the ship sinks or something.
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>>33574167
stop bitching. It was the best strategy. You would sit back and fire arrows like a little pussy and be an armchair general.
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>>33574167

Lu Bu would have also charged and finished off Wang Lang instead of allowing him to escape to his city.

As it turns out, being aggressive is not always a bad idea.

This was the correct strategy here as other anons mentioned. Being cautious for caution's sake would let our allies down.
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>>33574142
How does the rolling work again? I thought it was like, 1-33 is low, 34-67 is average, 68-100 is high?

Besides, one error isn't going to lose the battle. We just gotta fight harder.
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>>33574198
This. We missed two good opportunities to finish Wang Lang off. We won't always get those extra chances.
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>>33574216

Rolling is

Average+Modifier=Final Result,

I am guessing the benchmark for success is likely determined by our tactics.

Modifier is likely our WAR and LDR in this situation.
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>>33573944
>You observe the vanguard leader, Wen Ping as Cai Mao called him. A large and stout man, you notice that his command and stature in leading his men are excellent. When one of the enemy ship collides with his, you see Wen Ping being the first to jump in and board the enemy ship, killing a dozen or so men before the enemy ship is taken.

Goddamn, I wish there was a way to recruit this man into our army. We need a fierce naval commander like him.
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>>33574270
We just need to capture him anon.
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Rolled 20

>>33574289
I think he''s on our side
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>>33574270
Unfortunately, it will be quite a while before we will want to risk alienating Liu Biao.

>>33574289
>>Capture an allied officer.
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"All ships forward! I want an enemy general's head on the pike of my ship before the day is done!"

Your ships surge forward, exchanging volleys of arrows before colliding. Men begin to board ships from both side. Because there is a lack of naval training in both sides, some of the battles become clumsy. Your side does slightly better, with Zhang Liao, Lingqi, and Song Xian taking the command of the front and pushing the soldiers.

As the battle rages on, you spot an enemy command ship. The other ships and men are occupied, but you have a chance to attack one of the enemy general command ships.

>Charge forward, and board the enemy ship
>Shoot fire arrows, and attempt to burn the ship down
>Forget the enemy command ship, and focus on aiding allied ships on your side
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>>33574297
We should rename our faction Blood Ravens.
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>>33574289

But he's our vanguard leader.

>Zhu Xing leaps onto Wen Ping's boat and sucker punches him while he's fighting Sun Ce
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>>33574308
>>Charge forward, and board the enemy ship
Blood and glory
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>>33574308
>>Charge forward, and board the enemy ship

GLORY
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>>33574308
>Charge forward, and board the enemy ship
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>>33574308
charge forward and board the enemy ship
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>>33574308
>>Charge forward, and board the enemy ship
FULL LU BUUUU
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>>33574308
>Charge forward, and board the enemy ship
Let's put our High WAR stat to good use!
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>>33574308
>Charge forward, and board the enemy ship

Either it's Sun Ce or it isn't. If it isn't, we'll win. If it is, we could still win anyway. And I really want to see what Sun Ce is like.
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>>33574308
>Charge forward, and board the enemy ship

Let's take Sun Ce or Zhou Yu's head!
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>>33574308
>>Shoot fire arrows, and attempt to burn the ship down

Charging is absolutely the worse thing we could do right now.
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>>33574308
>>Shoot fire arrows, and attempt to burn the ship down

Are you people fucking stupid? Do you even see how much this looks like a trap?
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>>33574308
>Charge forward, and board the enemy ship
Let's take a scalp.
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>>33574376
Give reasons why
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>>33574308
>>Charge forward, and board the enemy ship
Lets do this
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>>33574317
"Zhu Xing, what in the name of the Heavens are you doing!?!?"
"BENEVOLENCE!!!!!"
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>>33574308
>Charge forward, and board the enemy ship.
Chicks dig bravery. Besides, if we die, we'll at least have a death that brings much honor to the Zhu clan while being seen as reckless by those scrubs on the opposing side.
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>>33574308
>Charge forward, and board the enemy ship
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>>33574308
>Charge forward, and board the enemy ship
Fire arrows would be too hesitant. Our allies are experienced enough, they hopefully won't need our help. Let's charge.
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>>33574308
do we really want to set a ship on fire when the wind is blowing TOWARDS US. YOU COULD LIGHT OUR ENTIRE FACTION ON FIRE. DONT SET FIRE TO SHIPS THAT WILL CATCH OUR SHIPS ON FIRE.
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>>33574380

Explain precisely how this looks like a trap.

The other side has inexperienced man, Zhu Xing spotted an enemy command ship and has a chance to attack it.

No other information was given. How did you deduce that this was a trap?
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>>33574380
It's the Lu Bu fever anon, it happens whenever they get a mildly successful action, and they're not reminded of Chang an
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>>33574308
>>Forget the enemy command ship, and focus on aiding allied ships on your side
get some allies freed up to attack.
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Roll 1d100, avg of 4, lowest dropped.
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>>33574398
>Zhu clan

... yeah, about that. We haven't done jack-diddly in clan building. We're unmarried, our younger brother and sister are also unmarried.

For a family of minor nobles from Xuchang, we're slow to the breeding grounds.
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>>33574404
It'd be Chi BI except Cao Cao deliberately fired his own ships.

Cunning plan, indeed.
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Rolled 54

>>33574416
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Rolled 43

>>33574390
I kekd
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Rolled 68

>>33574416
god dammit
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Rolled 8

>>33574416

Zhu Xing is going to take the enemy general's head
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>>33574376
>Shooting Fire Arrows at ships we are currently engaged in close quarters combat with
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>>33574376
>>33574380
>you spot an enemy command ship. The other ships and men are occupied
>The other ships and men are occupied

not likely
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Rolled 10

>>33574416
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Rolled 41

>>33574416
Power!
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>>33574426
>>33574431
>>33574432
At least we're over 50 this time.
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>>33574426
>>33574431
>>33574432
Average of 55.

Eh, beats the usual shit rolls we've been getting for the last 3 threads.
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>>33574422

Get on the Gao Shun, Zhang Liao train, anon.

Actually aren't the Qiaos from a very wealthy Southerlands family? We should marry our brother to one of them to consolidate our hold over the South.
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>>33574426
>>33574431
>>33574432

Eh, not too bad.
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>>33574457
Wait what? Our shit rolls are mostly restricted to waifus. Our battle rolls have been fuckawesome. Mostly.
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>>33574416
average of 55. Not bad. not good.
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>>33574405
It's always a trap until we find out it's not
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>>33574432
Part of me wished I hadn't rolled this so anon would suffer for their total disregard of tactics.

The rest of me realizes that would just make me an asshole like the rest of you though.
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>>33574476

George McClellan please go and stay go
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>>33574461
Zhang liao is not a good candidate considering his already married.
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It's not a 55 average. One of the first 4 rolls linked a different post. It's a 44 average.
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>>33574461
I wanted to save him for Empress Himiko, though.
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>>33574480
>The rest of me realizes that would just make me an asshole like the rest of you though.

Spoken like a true asshole
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>>33574461
I'm in favor of Gao Shun getting hitched to our sister. Zhang Liao's already married so that's a moot point.

The Qiao Family is considered a scion of the Southlands; more or less like the Kennedys or Rockefellers of the US. To marry any of their kinsfolk would be a great boost to our family's prospects, especially in both wealth and fame.
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>>33574480
disregard of tactics, eh?

Our options were set the other ships on fire, with a southerly wind that could possibly set our ships on fire.

Capture a command ship.

Or help our allies.

The latter two is a toss up with the former of the two having a higher chance for glory. Aggressive isnt stupid. Its aggressive. It works in poker and war.
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>>33574497
Is it the first 4 rolls period, or the first 4 rolls linked to Raian's post?
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>>33574495

Raian said that sister would be fine with being his second wife.

I prefer Gao Shun as well though, he's my main man.

>>33574502

Sorry, anon, I don't think Glorious Wa is going to be a thing in this game.
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>>33574521
First 4 linked as far as i know.
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>>33574497
Well shit, we're a bit screwed then.

Oh how a 10 point difference makes between victory and defeat.
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>>33574532
yes but it wouldn't be such a great connection for our clan considering how small we are now & that she would be a secondary wife.
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>>33574510

So marrying our brother to a Qiao seems like an excellent idea then.

That'll also leave a spare Qiao as well.
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>>33574555
Marry both of them to the brother.
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>>33574555

...That really means us.
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>>33574532
Aw, but I heard Himiko had a deity minister named Takenouchi no Sukune who possessed a robot who could transform into a mechanical gauntlet that shoots laser fists.
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>>33574574

Gonna bypass the waifu debate. There are two Qiaos, at least one will be available for our brother.
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>>33574574
Actually we should encourage Lu Bu to take one.
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>>33574626
He has his waifu though, besides we need to into clan building.
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>>33574636
The tears when we find out lu bu knocked up Diaochan while on campaign and has a bright new baby boy will be hilarious.
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>>33574626

Isn't he infatuated with Diao Chan? We need the Qiaos more than he does.
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>>33574636
I was just thinking that a wife might do him good, until I remembered Diao Chan existed
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>>33574636
We marry Lingqi.
Lu Bu marries a Qiao, while our brother marries one too.
This means we are connected through two threads, one between the Lu family, and the other in our own family.
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>>33574626
Doesn't he have Diao Chan, the prettiest babe in all the land? He could at least save some for the rest of us.
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>>33574655

Ideally we need a second wife.

One to help with the household managing.

Because leaving lingqi at home to do that is asking for hell on earth.
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>>33574649
It'd be a political marriage than anything else.
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>>33574675
Our little brother runs the household with more authority than any wife.
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>>33574675

Well, she needs to pop out a son at the very least.

But yes, Zhu Xing needs a second wife or at least concubines.
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>>33574648
And the tears that Diao Chan will shed when she discovers that "Cao Cao" assassinated the "pup of the mad dog Lu Bu" will be 10 times as delicious.
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>>33574689

But dont we eventually want to get him to manage a city?
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>>33574698
>implying lingqi would tolerate such

you guys really don't get her, do you?
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>>33574655
see >>33574648 we need to maximize our odds of our clan inheriting the Bu name.

speaking of the Qiao's didn't Zhou yu & Sun ce have to woo their clan in order to gain the marriage?
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>>33574664
If we take a Qiao we'll be making a mistake, as the families are already connected through our little brother.
Ideally we should have a political marriage with someone else more powerful. Perhaps someone in Liu Biao's lands? Maybe someone a little higher in China, we'll see.
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>>33574675
Would Lingqi still want to be with us if we tried to take up a second wife?

I know its normal for this setting, but Lingqi is very unconventional. I'm not sure how she would react
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>>33574708
Only if we survive long enough for Lu Bu to give us one. And that seems a long way off right now.
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>>33574719

Raian mentioned previously in a previous thread that Lingqi would not care very much.
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>>33574731

We are going to get one by default if we survive this campaign.

We are likely to get Huiji, the city we just conquered and left Yu Fan, Gao Shun, and Fan Neng to run
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>>33574736
You're gonna have to provide a link for that. Cause that seems to go against everything we know about her.
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You charge your ship forward, and catch the enemy command ship by surprise. Jumping over to the enemy ship with your elite men, you slay the guards there. The enemy general, with a terrified expression, quickly orders for a lifeboat to save him as you and your men start taking over the ship.

"Coward!" you yell as you slay an enemy soldier and begin running toward him. "Stay and fight like a warrior!"

"General! Run! We will hold the enemy off!"

The enemy soldiers move to the guard the enemy general as he gets on his boat. You grunt as you fight the enemy guards, overpowering them after some minutes of fighting. The enemy general is long gone by then however. You learn later that the enemy general was Lei Bo.

The rest of the battle continues, with your side pushing the enemy back after hours of fighting through the efforts of the generals on your side. Liu Biao's side fares better with their naval experience and warships, crushing the center as the enemy forces begin to retreat. The battle ends in victory with the enemy vanguard demolishes.

The battle goes on for a few more days. The engagements are the same results; with yours and Liu Biao's forces winning engagements. At the end of the week, the enemy is destroyed to a third of its size. You yourself have lost about a thousand and a half men, but still retain strong.

"See the power of my navy?" Cai Mao boasts. "The enemy are nothing to me in the waters."

The sound of horns blow once again, and Yuan Shu's forces come to make another attack.

"What foolish enemies! Engage them directly, and rout them!"

With confidence, Cai Mao orders your side to attack and crush the enemy. You think it's only a matter of time before the entire enemy fleet is wiped out. However...
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>>33574736

Did he? I don't remember seeing that in the Q&A.

We can ask him in the Q&A after this thread if he didn't say that explicitly.
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This time the enemy ships are swift and powerful. They glide like sea monsters, overwhelming the front lines of your side. Cai Mao is surprised.

“What!? Since when did the enemy gain such valor and strength! Push them back, men! They are but remnants of a tired and defeated army!”

The battles goes on, and the allied side takes some losses. You look with gritted teeth as you an enemy command ship move forward to Huang Zu's ship and board.

“Huang Zu! I am Sun Ce, son of the Tiger! I will take your head!”

The young and bold enemy leader slaughters troops on Huang Zu's side, and the frightened Huang Zu has no choice but to flee. (Un)Fortunately, Huang Zu manages to escape, though Sun Ce takes his command ship and morale falls on your side. Cai Mao still pushes the allied ships to counter.

Things are looking slightly bad. You need to stop this man.

>Focus and regroup your formation on a counterattack
>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)
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We should pick up a few Concubine after this battle and start sewing our seed for political power, Waiting for Lingqi to be the first is a poor idea.
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>>33574716
see this is why I suggested trying to get Sun ce on side because while dangerous the clan has a good base of Strategists & Generals, a good history with the south & marrying our sister into that clan would possibly dull the potential betrayal and bind the Sun clan to our own & if we do end up marrying Linqui it would bind the three families together.
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>>33574779
>>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)
This is our chance to make it big.
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>>33574779
>>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)
Zhang Liao

We need to send him packing
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>>33574736
I said it depends on the woman, with your average generic daughters and wives not caring.

I'll leave it up to you to decide if you think Lingqi would care or not.
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>>33574779
>>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)

Zhang Liao, the strongest of us
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>>33574779
>>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)

Send in the Liao.
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>>33574779
>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)
Ourself
"Son of the Tiger, long have I heard your name! I have wished to see your prowess with my own eyes!"
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Is Zhang Liao even strong enough to beat him? I thought Ce had crazy stats.
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>>33574779
>>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)

Zhang Liao

I really want us to challenge Sun Ce, but we are likely to lose and that's going to break our army's morale.
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>>33574779
>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)
We'll personally fight him.
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>>33574779
READ BEFORE DECIDING

Sun Ce WAR: 90
Our WAR: 91
Zhang Liao:92
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>>33574794
You mean our chance to DIE and basically shit on all the progress we've made thus far.
>>33574779
>Focus and regroup your formation on a counterattack
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>>33574808
>>33574805
>>33574795
Zhang Liao will get raped, you have my word.
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>>33574779
challenge sun ce to a duel. We should duel him.
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>>33574779
>>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)
I believe our drinking buddy side he's got this. But if he is not with us we shall do it.
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>>33574779
>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel while Zhang Liao organizes our forces into a counterattack.
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>>33574819

They have identical WAR in ROTK 11
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>>33574779
Challenge him personally
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>>33574779
>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)
We have a lot of equipment specifically for wounding in duels. We may not win, but as long as we stay alive we may disable him.
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>>33574793
Liu Bei and Lady Sun is all you need to know for how well that will turn out.
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>>33574794
>>33574795
>>33574805
>>33574805
>>33574808
>>33574809
>>33574820
>>33574824

so what happened to thinking we'd get raped by Sun ce in PvP? not that Im complaining.
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>>33574825
Bear in mind that our WAR is after items are calculated but I don't know if the other generals have the same advantages.
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>>33574779
>>33574805

Changing it to Zhu Xing
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>>33574838
This this this this.
Jesus Christ this.
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>>33574804
Just my personal take on Lingqi:

She's a tomboy, she's full of tsun-tsun attitude, and she's more than likely a woman who chose to discard most of her womanhood so that she could be recognized as Lu Bu's best warrior instead of his daughter.

So yeah. Kid gloves required for Lingqi.


>>33574779
>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)
OURSELF.

And we need to pray that the combat rolls aren't shit.
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>>33574779
>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)
Us
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>>33574779
>>33574838

This!
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>>33574860

So isn't it better we send zhang liao?
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>>33574794
>>33574809
>>33574847
>>33574829
>>33574852

>as long as we stay alive

we won't

GUYS KEEP IN MIND
Yeah we have bitchin items, but he probably does too.
Y'all getting way too excited and over confident.
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>>33574779
>Focus and regroup your formation on a counterattack

Seriously guys, we just talked about how Sun Ce would fuck us hard if we fought against him.
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You guys realize we did already have a duel once, right? Our officers will want chances for glory.
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>>33574820
Do not think about what happens if we die, only think about what happens if we win.
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>>33574779
Let's do this.
>>33574838
Best of both worlds since we have great subordinates.
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>>33574893
no, we are war guy. We fight battle good. Impress brother Lu Bu. shut up
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>>33574779
>>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Ourselves)

Our Whispering Blade and Window Boy should give us decent odds.
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>>33574779
>>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)
Send Zhang Liao

We organise a counter attack ourselves.

For goodness sake guys.

Our base War is 87.

Sun Ce is the leader of his faction with base War 90. THERE IS NO WAY HE HAS NO ITEM.
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>>33574838
Supporting this
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>>33574914
People have deluded themselves into thinking our items matter more than our base scores.
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>>33574779
>>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)

Let's send Zhang Liao while we organize a counterattack ourselves.

It's reckless for the commander of an army to go under these circumstances; it's much harder to escape when you fight on ships.
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>>33574896
If we defeat Sun Ce, Lu Lingqi is gonna give us the V.
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>>33574901
Oh look, it's the retard spirit come to bless this thread like all the other ones!
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>>33574779
>>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)
Send in the liao
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>>33574901
He won't be very impressed hearing about how we lost/died against Sun Ce.

And the morale loss that our troops will take after we inevitably lose this duel, and there's no nice old man soldier-kun to save us this time.
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>>33574838
I'm down with this
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>>33574779
>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)
Zhang Liao
While we
>Focus and regroup your formation on a counterattack
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>>33574914
>Sun Ce is the leader of his faction
No he isnt.
And the only item of proper mention is the jade seal, which if we steal could prove incredibly useful.
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>>33574931
Our salary is likely higher than Sun Ce's, given that we have a higher position in Lu Bu's army than he has in Yuan Shu's.

However, we'll still be at a disadvantage.
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>>33574941
If you want to play a strategist instead of a duelist, let us die to sun ce then play our brother and make him a strategist. Stop pulling the character in different directions. he's always been fight guy. Its time to fight.
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>>33574825
Sun Ce WAR: 90
Our WAR: 87
Zhang Liao:92

Let's be honest, here. We have no idea what item modifiers the other two have.
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>>33574779
>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel: Zhang Liao
We'd need some pretty good luck to beat Sun Ce and it's probably more demoralizing if your general loses a duel.
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>>33574936

Hopefully when we lose this duel badly, they will realize the error of their ways and this will be our new Chang An.
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Remember that we can fight at full capacity until we hit about 60 health.

After 60 health, we start taking wounds that limit our battle effectiveness.

If a duel starts going badly, don't wait too long to escape.
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Goddamnit guys we picked WAR as our biggest stat for a reason. If you guys wanted to be safe and send other people to fight you should made a strategist in the first thread.
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>>33574779
Challenge personally.
We're not into the 10-20 difference like with Cheng Pu
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>>33574958
>Stop pulling the character in different directions.

Welcome to quest threads. Or in this case Shufags.
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>>33574979
>/tg/ questfags
>ever learning
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>>33574988
Stop scapegoating the people who wanted to win popular support back 2 threads ago. It's stupid and it solves nothing.
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>>33574779
>>Challenge Sun Ce to a duel (Choose)
Lingqi
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>Zhang Liao Led-94 War-92 Int-77 Pol-64 Cha-79

>Led-94

Oddly it might make more sense to send us while Zhang Liao leads the counter attack.
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Guise, Zhang Liao is still developing. He hasn't reached his full potential yet..
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>>33574979
after we lose this duel we can play a character that is a pussy like you.
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>>33574984
A fight guy doesn't have to duel all the time. Even Zhao Yun and Zhang Fei used tactics that didn't involve duels.
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>>33575021

Zhang Liao is 26 years old right now, 4 years older than us.
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>>33575021
Can't wait to see Hefei Liao
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>>33575009
What items did we pick at the start of this thread? That's right, the charisma one. Shufags are cancer. They're always here.
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You spit at the water. Turning around, you raise your spear in the air.

"Why do you cower at the sight of this pup!? He is nothing compared to his father. Watch me take his head!"

You move your ship closes to Sun Ce's ship as the other ships fight on. Take a large raft, you jump off your ship.

"Sun Ce! I am Zhu Xing, General Who Manifests Might! Face me in single combat if you are not a coward!"

Sun Ce looks down from his command ship. Enemy archers notch their arrows to kill you, but Sun Ce raises his hand to put them down.

"Very well! I accept your challenge!"

Sun Ce moves down, and jumps to your boat. With a twist and flurry of move with his sword, he circles around you as you do the same. You can see throwing daggers on his belt; he has a ranged weapon just like yourself.

"The Tiger comes!"

>Strike > Slash > Sweep, 5 rounds
>roll 2d100
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Rolled 77, 75 = 152

>>33575040

SLASH
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Rolled 45, 41 = 86

>>33575040

Strike!
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Rolled 64, 83 = 147

>>33575040
> Slash
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Rolled 34, 90 = 124

>>33575040
Strike
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Rolled 100, 8 = 108

>>33575040
Sweep
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Rolled 24, 74 = 98

>>33575040
>STRIKE!
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Rolled 50, 17 = 67

>>33575040
SWEEP
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>>33575040
>pup
>we're barely any older
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>>33575072
haha goddamnit nice try
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Rolled 89, 62 = 151

>>33575040
Slash motherfucker

proposing betrayal when?
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>>33575072
Oh my
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>>33575040
4 out of our five attacks were above average. Thank you tg dice for sticking up for fight guy.
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Rolled 7, 89 = 96

>>33575072
Is... is that Crit success?
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Rolled 30, 82 = 112

>>33575072

>100
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>>33575093

2 years older. Well, I guess it could make a difference.
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>>33575101
You spoke too soon. We still have to see how the counter rolls go.
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>>33575119
even if we lose, we fought well enough for big brother lu bu.
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>>33575097

Presumably when we take his head or he takes ours.
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Rolled 3, 2, 1, 2, 3 = 11

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>>33575050
>>33575059
>>33575061
>>33575071
>>33575072

617/1000

Pretty good.
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>>33575155
>3, 2, 1, 2, 3
3 wins, 1 loss 1 tie
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>>33575140
We take each other's head at the same time?
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>>33575050
>>33575059
>>33575061
>>33575071
>>33575072

Slash > Sweep
Strike > Slash
Slash < Strike
Strike > Slash
Sweep =Sweep

3-1-1 if I did it correctly.
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>>33575040
>"Why do you cower at the sight of this pup!? He is nothing compared to his father. Watch me take his head!
Is there a way we can be polite and accept a duel?
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Rolled 81, 49 = 130

>Strike > Slash > Sweep

Slash 77,75 v sweep (Win)

strike 45,41 v slash (win)

slash 64,83 v strike (lose)

strike 34,90 v slash (win)

sweep 100, 8 v sweep (crit draw)

Eat your fucking heart out, sun ce.
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>>33575155
shu fags can suck it.

Get fucked kongming.
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>>33575181
4 win is with a low roll, it'll probably count as a tie.
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Lets not make this a fatal match, shall we?
It'll be best to capture him at the moment.
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>>33575178
We're in the middle of a raging battle with our men dying around us and the enemy general before us.

I think we are justified in our outrage
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>>33575200

Nope

FINISH HIM
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>>33575200
You are insane. We need to kill the Sun family, not capture it.
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>>33575155
D-d-d-did we trigger Musou Mode?
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>>33575155
SNAAAAAAAKE
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>>33575200
>not wanting to personally slay one of the most important people in China

Wow bro. Next you'll be saying we should have just put Dong Zhuo in prison.
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>>33575200

I want Sun Ce's head on a pike
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>>33575178
We've gotta keep the morale up.
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>>33575178
A better question is why we keep making knee jerk declarations to kill people.
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>>33575200
I'd rather wipe them out
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>>33575220

We can always execute Sun Ce after capturing him. Let's hear what he has to say, recruiting and killing aren't are only options.

Also he's not that important a person right now.
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>>33575238
if you go into a duel saying "i'm going to capture you once i win and treat you nice with a nice bowl of rice" it doesnt have the same effect
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Rolled 22

>>33575178
"I-I suppose we could g-go a few bouts"

Not our character. Plus it'd hurt morale.
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>>33575250
This
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>>33575229
>>33575227
>>33575220
>>33575213
This means the Sun family, and Zhou Yu go to Cao Cao, and that is not good.

All we need to do is release him, this will work for our image as well as keeping us from having more enemies in the future.
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Rolled 92

>>33575200

I want to kill him.

Hes too dangerous.
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>>33575250
Leaving the Sun clan alive gives us literally no benefits at all. We already own their land. All their good generals are IN that land. Ce is ambitious and would never remain loyal.
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>>33575250

to be fair, ic ly we have no reason to spare him
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>>33575250

Capturing a dangerous enemy general in the middle of a floating raft is pretty dangerous in itself.

Taking his head is probably the safer option to be honest.

>>33575264

No, they are going to stick with Yuan Shu. We are not releasing him, what the fuck.
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>>33575260
>S-Sun Ce! I am G-General Zhu Xing, General Who Manifests Spaghetti!
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>>33575267
out of character information. Our character has no idea what this guy would have done in the real historical route
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Rolled 87, 53 = 140

>>33575200
while I'd rather be with you majority rules that we kill Sun ce & make enemies out the Sun family rather than allies.

lets see where that takes us regardless.
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>>33575288
>General Who Manifests Spaghetti
God dammit, that should've been our name.
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>>33575269
Letting Cao Cao literally gain some of the best naval commanders in the three kingdoms era is worse.
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>>33575264

>>33573858

Are you this guy?
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Rolled 25

>>33575289

We should have at least heard that the suns are the traditional peotectors of this land.

This isnt a hard conclusion to come to.
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>>33575303
>implying we won't kill them all

yuan shu is our next target anyway
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>>33575289
>>33575310

Yeah, everyone knows about Sun Jian and Sun Clan.

We fucking battled Sun Jian before. Cheng Pu, that asshole, insulted us for refusing to duel him.

Now we are going to take his young master's head or die trying.
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>>33575288
>Sun Ce slips on Marinara sauce
>Cracks head on ship's siderail
>"OH FUCK I'M SORRY I'M SORRY"
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>>33575310
no we shouldnt have. Stop coming up with bullshit for your metagaming. it is a hard conclusion to come to.
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>>33575287
It will sow discontent and distrust in their ranks, they're more likely to die if we return him anyway

Not to mention, Sun Ce isn't dangerous on his own, Zhou Yu and Ce together is dangerous.
Zhou Yu, Quan and the other generals are the most dangerous
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>>33575303
>Metagaming this hard
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>>33575288
We did invent, after all. The peasants love it because they finally found a way to use up all their shitty grain.
>"We hate grain! What do we need all this grain for? There's too much grain. Throw it away, throw it in the garbaaage!!!"
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>>33575341

No, he's more likely to die if we cut off his head and give it to Lingqi as a gift.

Quan's not dangerous, he was a fucking terrible general. Zhang Liao soloed him with 800 guys. Quan's an administrator.
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Rolled 89, 48 = 137

>>33575264
>>33575303
This is a good point actually if the Sun family doesn't build the state of Wu & we make enemies out of them who will they join?

seriously we need to consider this because it could fuck us up majorly in the long run & we can't afford that.
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>>33575325
Yeah, gee.
It's not as if they could all run away and petition Cao Cao to aid them or anything.
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>>33575368
The Sun family now is not the mighty army it was later. They have no one but hard core loyalists. We can still recruit the real warriors of merit like Gan Ning and Lu Meng.
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>>33575361
Quan is an attractor for good generals, and combined with good generals he's a force to be feared.
Now imagine dumping him and Wu's generals in Cao Cao's abundant land, resources and troops.
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>>33575368
I honestly think Sun Ce will never be content serving another. If we send him packing to Cao Cao, the two will eventually start fighting.
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>>33575361
>cut off his head and give it to Lingqi as a gift.

Implying we won't keep it and mummify it and put it next to our rustic kettle for +5 to officer visits.
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>>33575368
All the good Wu generals are in our lands. We just need to kill Ce and Quan and the Suns are dead as a threat.
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>>33575368

It's literally just Zhou Yu. Sun Quan's a 13 year old brat who will fuck everything up if you give him military command.

>>33575383

Speaking of, Gan Ning is a subordinate of Huang Zu right now I believe.
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>>33575396
C-can we either recruit or bisect Zhou Yu. Please.
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>>33575387

What makes you think they go to wei instead of biao? Or yuan shao, or zhang xiu, or liu zhang
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>>33575391
Ewww.
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>>33575396
Sun Quan holds the name, and can rally Wu's generals to his cause.
That's fear enough. Not to mention, what if he grows up differently due to our actions?
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>>33575387
>Quan is an attractor for good generals, and combined with good generals he's a force to be feared.
Only because he controlled the Southlands.
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Rolled 1, 2, 2, 1, 3 = 9

1. Sun Ce -10 HP
2. Sun Ce -8 HP
3. Zhu Xing -10 HP, Sun Ce -5 HP
4. Sun Ce -6 HP, Sun Ce -5 HP
5. Sun Ce -8 HP, Zhu Xing -5 HP

You both charge and fly at each other. Sun Ce whirls his sword towards your neck, but you manage to parry and drive him back. With a large leap, you surge forward and begin a flurry of attacks on Sun Ce. He is caught in surprise by your ferocious attacks, and is pushed back.

"Not bad. Why does a man like you serve together with the likes of Liu Biao?"

"And why would you serve a lord like Yuan Shu?" you state back.

"Tch... Fair enough."

You both clash once again, you faring much better despite Sun Ce being stronger than you. As he makes a swing, you give your greatest attack with all your strength and power that breaks his guard.

"Shit!"

Your sword manages to cut across Sun Ce's face. He only manages to survive by jumping back and throwing on his daggers at you, which you manage to parry. Blood streaks across Sun Ce's face.

"...I am the son of the Tiger. I will not back down, until I have taken my vengeance upon Huang Zu."

He wipes the blood of his face, and readies another attack.

>>Zhu Xhing: 85 HP
>>Sun Ce: 58 HP
>last 5 rounds
>1d100
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>>33575420
Probably bisect. He won't take kindly to us killing his bro.
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Can everyone stop being metagaming shits? If you want to kill Sun Ce because you know he'll betray us or because you know about zhou yu or you want to recruit him because of things he does later you are metagaming. I want to recruit him because he seems cool, competent and is related to sun tzu. This is all our character knows. If you want to kill him because he pissed off Zhu Xing, fine. But dont fucking cheat.
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Rolled 43

>>33575435

STRIKE
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>>33575420
Can't recruit Zhou Yu, he's already sworn brotherhood with Sun Ce.

If we kill Ce, we're going to have to kill Yu.
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Rolled 20, 17 = 37

>>33575435
Slash
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>>33575430

Which wu generals? Lu meng and lu xun hasnt swore fealty to suns
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Rolled 46

>>33575435
Slice
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>>33575425
Because Cao Cao would accept Zhou Yu and competent generals in a heart beat, especially after what happened with Sun Jian in romance.

Liu Biao KILLED SUN JIAN, Sun Quan and any generals hate his guts.
Yuan Shao is too far away, and inbetween them is Cao Cao.
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Rolled 2, 62 = 64

>>33575435
>Slash
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>>33575456
>>33575470

Wrong dice system
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Rolled 69

>>33575435
sweep
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>>33575470
>>33575456
> 1d100
Read the thread you dunces.

We're fucked.
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Rolled 39

>>33575435
SLASH
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Rolled 58

>>33575383
It's not the army that is the concern it's the potential talent we could have fighting against us on an already stacked Wei side.

>>33575389
potentially but if we kill him now that ends too

>>33575435
Strike but for the love of all that isn't wei stop short of killing the fucker he's more useful alive then dead regardless of if he joins us.
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Rolled 55

>>33575435
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>>33575445
This, holy shit.
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>>33575435
>1d100

And now we die
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Rolled 94

>>33575445
Christ this
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>>33575445
I want to kill him because he's a powerful warrior and it would boost our prestige as the tiger-killer.
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>>33575445
Holy shit this
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>>33575445
We want to kill him because it's a war, he's on the other side and we could easily die sooner rather than later then if we don't. That is reason enough.
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>>33575445
>>33575495

I agree, but how do we determine what our character should know. Raian hasn't written anything about Sun Ce's capabilities outside this battle. Surely we should know something else.
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>>33575518
Too bad we just spaghetti'd over ourselves
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>>33575518

I'm on the "Kill Him" team because it's likely easier than capturing him.

But the prestige booster is probably the same as when we capture him and kill him.
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Rolled 1, 3, 1, 2, 3 = 10

>>33575464
Not counting this because I don't know what Slice is.
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>>33575200
I'd rather not have Sun Ce live to wreck us and take our troops and best wu officers.
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>>33575435
God I love our bow and it's extra damage. Window boy never leave us.
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Rolled 93

>>33575533

But then there are only 4 valid rolls with actions.

Whats the last one you are taking?

Because you shouldnt be taking rolls of the wrong format.
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>>33575534
Sun Ce doesn't have a name, a land to call his own, and he's actually less well known than us.
Tl;dr, stop treating him like he's the little conquerer, he's not. We are.
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>>33575533

Goddamn it, I can't even predict the outcomes because of the idiots who rolled 2d100s.
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>>33575533
Same as Slash. Sorry.
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Rolled 40

>>33575518
he's a kid with a decent amount of tactical acum & connections to the south adopting him into our faction will net us good shit with the south and a potentially great general who if we marry into our clan will pose lesss of a direct threat.
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>>33575533

>>33575556
>Because you shouldnt be taking rolls of the wrong format.

Has a point.

Otherwise, why specify the format.
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>>33575580
you're only saying this because our rolls were shit
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>>33575513
our savior
save us
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>>33575580
Mechanically, it makes no difference if he just takes the first roll. Specifying just lets us know that the second roll is superfluous.
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>>33575594

I'd say it either way but I doubt you'll believe me.
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I like how we got two 90 rolls but they weren't even for the fight
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>>33575445
It's not really metagaming to figure out that he will eventually go after our head. We know in character that the southlands is the home of the Sun family. We just got back from a campaign to subjugate the southlands. Our int stat is average and I'm pretty sure with our stats we can put two and two together in character.
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>>33575561

Okay, so I'm assuming Raian took the actions of the people who rolled 2d100 because there's only 4 valid actions otherwise.

Strike=Strike
Slash>Sweep
Slash<Strike
Sweep<Slash
Slash>Sweep

2-2-1 with generally low rolls.
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Lets assume for a moment that Sun Ce was ready and willing to join us, and he does so.

Now, do you know how to rest if he's being serious? Marriage.
If we marry into his family, then we can tell with 90% certainty that we'll be holding up together well.
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>>33575533
ROTK X's basic dual commands are [Strike, Stab], [Slash, Slice], and [Sweep, Swing]. The former being the stronger version.
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>>33575613
just because he lives there doesnt mean you know he will concoct a crazy scheme to become the Wu faction with his intelligent advisor Zhou Yu. For all you know, Sun Ce would appreciate us for letting him come home and see his mom.
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>>33575619
Good thing we hit him hard in the beginning
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>>33575634

It gets worse because the middle loss is vs our 2.
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>>33575624

I believe this. Most people won't betray a marriage alliance under extreme circumstances, and there's no reason to believe Sun Ce's any different.
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>>33575619
>>33575634

We have a 27 HP advantage and Sun Ce's wounded so he'll be less effective since he's at less than 60 HP.

Let's hope that's enough
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>>33575624
>If we marry into his family, then we can tell with 90% certainty that we'll be holding up together well.

Liu Bei tried that.
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>>33575653

Thing is, Sun Ce wants Huang Zu's head.

So he won't join us unless we promise to offer it to him.

And that means betraying Liu Biao.
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>>33575649
We had a 100 and it didn't do anything crazy, so I don't think there are crits.
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>>33575653
That should read, "except under extreme circumstances,"
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>>33575678

That was because it was against a draw.

This is against our loss.
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>>33575664
And it worked for years and years and years.
Then Wu decided Guan Yu was being an asshole for not giving them back Jing after a decade or so and worked with Wei to kill him.
It's a completely different situation, but it shows how much strength there used to be in that bond
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>>33575664
And then was the one to betray him. Funny how that didn't work out for him.
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>>33575678
Well the 100 let us deal 10 damage on a draw
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>>33575631
Wait, I thought we knew in character that his dad ruled the southlands? If so, that's exactly what we would conclude he would do in character because that's his birthright as the elder son. Primogeniture is totally a thing in China.
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>>33575649

No, because that was an idiot rolling 2d100 when the asked for dice roll was 1d100.

The actual rolls were 43, 46 (?), 69, 39, 58, 55

The 46 may or may not count since it was that Slice Guy
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>>33575700
No it didn't. 8 damage.
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>>33575704

Look again.

55 has no action.

How can it count?

We have 4 correct rolls with actions.

Since Raian is going ahead, hes using the 2d100 rolls.
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>>33575671
Maybe get Sun Ce in a position where he can duel Huang Zoemthing. Maybe when he's captured.
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>>33575704
He's going with the 2, bud. Deal with it.
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>>33575703
Sun Jian didn't rule the southlands. He had like some territory. Otherwise why did we have to fight wang Lang and Taishi Ci's master. Did they just take over when sun Jian left or died? Sun Jian had like maybe 1/3rd of the territory we have. For Sun Ce to act like we have his rightful Wu would be ludicrous. We are obviously just a successful conqueror.
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>>33575703

We just need to speak with Chen Gong and we'll know all the details.
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>>33575729
To be fucking honest, as it is, we're pretty limited in what we can do.
Even if we take all of Yuan Shu's land, we're going to end up against a solid block of Wei.
Our best action would be to usurp Liu Biao and put Lu Bu in charge all both provinces, that combined with Yuan Shu's land will mean we're more than a match for Cao Cao, even after Yuan Shao.
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>>33575726
>>33575730

Fucking idiots who can't read the goddamn dice roll system. Our dice pool is shit then.
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>>33575763
1. This is metagaming.
2. This isn't true.
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>>33575763

Or we commence a campaign against Cao Cao to liberate the Emperor.

That'll drag in Liu Bei and maybe Gongsun Zan.
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>>33575763
>>33575773

What he said.

It's also a stupid fucking idea to betray Liu Biao. If you want Lu Bu to lose all credibility in the world and be denounced as an alliance-breaker and someone who fights against the Imperial Clan, sure.
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>>33575769
>being this mad about two extra dice that are discounted trivially

You'd be raging just as hard if they rolled 1d100.
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>>33575773
Why isn't it true?
And it's not really.

>>33575784
What happens if Liu Bei sides with Cao Cao?
That will give him the chance to overtake Yuan Shao, and then turn his attention to the south with all of Yuan Shao's powerr
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>>33575784
Or a campaign to avenge the loss of Diao Chan and/or Lu Bu's son.
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>>33575784

Ma Teng, not Gongsun Zan. Gongsung's about to get exterminated by Yuan Shao.

Ma Teng is much more powerful anyway.

>>33575813

>What happens if Liu Bei sides with Cao Cao?

Wait 6 months, Liu Bei will have betrayed Cao Cao by then
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>>33575813

Aren't Liu Bei and Cao Cao warring right now?

I highly doubt that he'll want to side with him.
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>>33575795
We wouldn't do it openly, what sort of retard would do that?
We'd poison him, and feign it was illness in his old age.
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>>33575824
BENEVOLENCE
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>>33575824
muh benevolence!
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>>33575832
No, Liu Bei has kept his province, and Cao Cao is up against Yuan Shao.
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>>33575834
Yes, because our stats and behavior up to this point are totally that of a guy who poisons people, backstabs others and is generally a horrible human being.
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>>33575852

Half of his province.
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>>33575834
Our character isn't some huge dickwad like you.
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>>33575854
I should laugh at your post more than I have done.
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>>33575834

What part of Zhu Xing's personality makes you think he's interesting in doing something like that?

>I try and make Zhu Xing's personality on how you guys make him decide and try to portray him as (Which is so far an ambitious guy who wants to see himself grow, can be cocky at times but usually mannered, honorable for the most part, indecisive and pressured at times)
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>>33575834
>Wanting Zhu Xing to be some eunuch bastard

The Yellow Turbans were right all along
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>>33575879
don't forget that one time in the very first thread when we told lu bu that all we want to do is have a good fight instead of pillaging and raping the countryside. This is that good fight.
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>>33575889
We're going to feel it in the morning after that last exchange.
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Are we ending soon or new thread?
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>>33575889
>tfw living the ancient Chinese dream
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>>33575899

I hope part 2, we haven't even ran for 5 hours yet.
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>>33575897
so is he
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>>33575854
We must do it for our clan!
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>>33575889

YES, WE ESTABLISHED OURSELVES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE RIGHTS BY OUR SWORD

DOESNT MEAN WE HAVE NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT THOUGH, BUT YES, I PREFER THE SWORD SAINT ZHU XING
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>>33575899
Raian has never done a new thread.
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>>33575879
The part where he realises that Cao Cao after he has annexed Yuan Shao will be able to crush us exceedingly easily.
So to unify our power we take Liu Biao's land. The how then appears, in which we cannot kill him openly, so we must kill him discretely. And as such poison comes to mind.
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>>33575897
>>33575903

>Both of us in cots beside each other. quarreling over who won
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Rolled 2, 3, 3, 3, 2 = 13

1.
2. Sun Ce -5 HP
3. Zhu Xing -8 HP
4. Zhu Xing -8 HP
5. Sun Ce -6 HP

Sun Ce, despite his injury, attacks on again and you exchange even blows. As if his spirit his heightened in the face of defeat, his attacks grown stronger and swifter. One of his attacks makes a slash against you stomach, but your armor protects you from an injury. You struggle to push him off, but manage to strike him across the face at the lost moment when he makes an aim for your legs.

Sun Ce now has a bruised eye and blood continues to drop across his face. He readies for another round, but enemy troops come and interrupt your fight.

"Commander! Our troops are being pushed back now! We need to retreat, or we will be doomed here!"

Archers aim their arrows at you.

"Stop!" Sun Ce yells. "Do not stop our fight. Do you dare interrupt a warrior's combat? Back away from us, and let us finish!"

"We will die and be executed if need be! But we must get the Commander so safety!"

"Tsk..." Sun Ce sighs. "Zhu Xing is it? I must act the coward and retreat. But this duel is yours, my congratulations to you."

You grit your teeth, wanting to move forward and kill the man, but the enemy troops present will stop you.

"Fight me again, Zhu Xing, the next time we meet. This scar on my face will remind me to never let such a worthy opponent go."

Sun Ce and the enemy troops begin to retreat. On your side, your own troops come forward and arrive to protect you.

"The enemy commander has been defeated! Forward!" your soldiers shout.

You return to your command ship. The enemy forces do an orderly retreat. Your side suffered some causalities, but it is an enemy defeat nonetheless. The tired men on the allied side manage a cheer.
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>>33575889
>Zhu Xing meets an honorable death at the hands of Sun Ce, who proved to be the worthy opponenet he had searched all his life
>Half the Quest Thread Ragequits in their impotence
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>>33575907
>SWORD SAINT ZHU XING

What's our WAR again? 87?
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After the battle's end, you meet with your generals.

“Well fought General. I was awe-struck by your might,” Zhang Liao says with a bow.

“Hmph... I would have taken the enemy's head, you know,” Lingqi says with a smile, but a pleased one.

“The General is truly from the heavens!” Song Xian declares with a nod. “Cheers for the general!”

The soldiers on your side cheer, and you nod in acceptance. Though you did not kill Sun Ce, you managed to wound him and had him sent back. Soon enough the cheers fall as Cai Mao's ship comes nears yours.

“Bah... That whelp is more powerful than we imagined...” Cai Mao says with a frown. “But well done, General Zhu. Your forces contributed to our navy's victory.”

Cai Mao smiles.

“The enemy has been defeated, and our waters are secured for now. General Zhu, may we return to Jing to celebrate? We have the finest foods and wine, and I am certain Lord Liu Biao would be gracious to meet you. Please, accept Jing's hospitality and thanks, and stay for a month or so.”

You are slightly surprised by the offer. You think on the issue. It is highly unlikely that this is some kind of trap; killing you or taking you hostage would serve little benefit to their force should an angry Lu Bu come back to attack Jing with an army while making a truce with Yuan Shu. Staying and getting to know Jing's officers and Liu Biao might prove fruitful in the future for your force's relationship with theirs. At Jian Ye, Yan Jun is taking care of things fine and you can leave matters to him. What do you choose to do?

>Accept and go to Jing
>Refuse and return to Jian Ye
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>>33575939

87 Base.

>>33575930

We should do this with sun ce more often
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>>33575946
>>Accept and go to Jing

TIME TO PARTY
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>>33575946
GET FUCKED KONGMING
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