Your scouts have landed on the nearby world of FG-883. The two suns bake the shifting sands of the dune sea as your scouting party descends on the crashed ruins of an alien starship. You have no idea who or what it belongs to, but it is emanating a faint psionic signal. As your drones make to enter the hulk they were set upon by a hoard of strange and terrible creatures that seem to scream thoughts of irrational hatred as they charged directly into the line of fire, only to shrug off your warriors’ weapons. Your drones retreated deeper within the hulk to lure them into a bottleneck, but now it seems they have grown still outside.The whispers of alien thoughts still emanate from deep within the wreck, echoing through your mind as you try to gleam some meaning from them, but the echoes are still too faint.Welcome back to Hive Queen Quest!>Archives http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest>Twitter https://twitter.com/HiveQueenQuest>Various pasta http://pastebin.com/u/QuestDrone
>>33551791>Current armory41 Thorn Launchers2 Thorn Cannons23 Sting Casters1 Rotary Stinger3 Fire Sprays1 Plasma Spray>Current resource reservesNutrients: 3005Metals: 2733>Hive population and upkeep cost Hive maintenance – 75Queen – 5Worker (120) – 240Warrior (25) – 100Thinker (49) – 147Speaker – 3Digger (30) – 120Refinery (10) – 70Sniffer (2) – 8Wasp (18) – 90Antenna (3) – 9Haz-mat Workers (20) – 80Shock Troops (3) – 33Excavator (9) – 171Colossus (2) – 30Advanced Relay (2) – 200Space Pod – 30Shuttle (2) – 50Scout Corvette – 325Nutrient costs: 1786>IncomeNutrients: 2050Net: 264Hive Structure>Reservoir>General storage>Food storage>Advanced Laboratory>Infrastructure>Hangar facilities: Room for 40 Aero Drones and 20 Shuttles (25N)>Mine: +250 M per day (+25 M per digger)>Algae Farm: +2000 N per day, 20 Workers (1 worker per 100N)>Clarke Research Outpost>Hel’s Angel Prison Outpost>Docking Pylon: Space for docking and construction of 4 ships (50N)Current Construction Projects20 Algae Farms (+2000N, 10 workers)New Construction Options>Algae Farm – +100N per day, 1 worker to maintain>Hangar Expansion – Add on to current hangar facilities for your choice of +40 aero drone space, or +20 shuttle space. 50N 100MShip Construction Optionshttp://pastebin.com/a7Q1shZehttp://pastebin.com/YTwGk8n1
>>33551791So.It's a ship, with slaved robots that attempt to defend it.Robots that are psionically active. And have been in that sand for a long, long time. So long they're full of sand themselves.And that for some reason stopped telepathically screaming?>>32365715 >"How many others are there with FTL?">"We know of the Valen, the Ceph, and the humans. We have found signs of others, either long past or distant."We've found a crashed precursor ship, probably.
>>33551804how long until the research is done?
>>33551893Precursor or just unknown.Also I've given my artist friends the details so I should have the drawings by next thread.
>>33551924It's ancient, going by the state of the robots. They're precursor by default.
>>33551804Your drones stand in an old bunk room. The walls are covered in carved in circles padded with ancient, petrified mats and in each circular bunk is a small pole jutting from the wall in the center. Much of the room is buried in sand, dust, and fallen debris and refuse, with pieces of shattered bulkhead and and broken terminals scattered across the room.On the far wall is a door, leading further into the hulk, while on the other side is the open hall leading out into the dune sea through a hole torn in the hull. A broken alien corpse sits lifeless just outside.>Have your workers search the room>Have your warriors investigate the corpse>Open the door and move further into the derelict>Other>>33551907Soon, but it is very complex, especially for your thinkers who have a hard time comprehending the technology at all. Quantum mechanics is quite a ways out of their comfort zone.
>>33551955>Have your workers search the roomand remember to take the corpse back to the ship when we get a chance
>>33551955>>Have your warriors investigate the corpseDoes our shock troop sense anything?
>>33551955>>Have your workers search the roomQD, I gotta ask. Back when we first found that Taidaren wandering in the jungle, why didn't we detect the source of that "strange smell" (tobacco) -- Lyle in hiding. Were you waiting for us to take initiative and go "wait sniffer, track the source of that strange smell from before! where is it?" to detect Lyle in camo?I kinda assumed the smell was the Taidaren itself, in the absence of more information before the reveal of Lyle in shroom camo.
>>33551955>Have your workers search the room>Have your warriors investigate the corpse
>>33551955Let's >Have your workers search the roomThen>Have your warriors investigate the corpseAnd if they trigger the robots lets just leave it and>Open the door and move further into the derelict
>>33551975>and remember to take the corpse back to the ship when we get a chanceI want to take the entire ship with us.
Old machines full of sand you say?
>>33552022second, and also the old robots as well, they can be of use for us.
>>33552022not possible it a corvette remember?Once we choose what we take we need to wreck the rest and leg it home
>>33551955>>Have your workers search the room>>Have your warriors investigate the corpse
>>33552034why not tow it out into space, and then make a vehicle that can take it home for us.'There is no need to trash the thing.
>>33552022And I want a million dollars, but it's not happening.Can we sense the direction of the telepathy whisper inside the ship, QD?
>>33552034QD never said it was inoperable.
>>33552022It's a wreck. We're probably going to use it as an outpost on this planet.
>>33552053were in a union controlled system remember?We came in by stealth to not be detected Unless you guys want to start the fight over this dustball we got to choose our prizes and slag the rest since we just tipped them off to this wreck>>33552069>>33552059
>>33552069Is it small enough to fit inside the Corvette?If it's not, it's a no-go. Because we can't cloak it so good.
>>33552096again why do we need to trash it?We can easily cut it up, remember this vehicle can hold 20 excavators.
>>33552096I don't think we tipped them off to the wreckage did we?
>Have your workers search the room>Have your warriors investigate the corpsePlease roll 1d100, best of 3>>33551992The first whiff of tobacco was foreshadowing just to let you know something fishy was up, while the second time was to confirm that he was the threat. If you had tried to zero in on the smell you could have tried, and would have had a decent chance of finding him in his hiding spot, but as it happened it ended up as an awkward situation where two really good trackers were trying to out-maneuver each other, with the twins trying to lead you into an ambush while you tried to keep hidden.
>>33552096We could build and send a couple more corvettes to this system.
>>33552117The union base got sensors and sat remember so it gonna pick up activity we just causedThe wreck was inactive and under a ton of sand so it got missed so far
>>33552154Do we even know if we want all of it?It could all just be junk except for a few important bits.
>>33552164this anon has a point we need to hurry this up and grab what we can before the union figure out were herewe just can't risk losing our element of suprise with the union
>>33552164We're on the opposite side of the world, the base probably can't sense through the planet.QD has never mentioned a satellite in orbit of this world. Just the ship by the river settlement.
>>33552181This.Also, QD, what do our ships look like as compared to Union ships?Obviously alien?
>>33552181Why would you risk destroying something that could be valuable to us.
>>33552197I seem to recall the bigger Union ships have habitational rings, which ours lack. And the images QD posted were all of bioships, so I'm going to assume our ships completely different from anything else.
>>33552164No mention of satellite, and you have to remember that the sensors only pick up levels of certain radiation.>>33552135How big is the ship?
>>33552226I am not the anon that suggested we torch it.I just think we should figure out what's valuable before we try and haul it back for only 500 Metal.
>>33552250The level of radiation it produces is small and it got a stealth system to deal with what is produced.
>>33552181Its a ship that been worn out by the elements and timeMost of it is just junk and only important systems may have anything intact because of additional protection needed for themGrab whats important and leg it that is our only choice
>>33552285if those robots can survive that long and are that tough, i believe the ship itself could still work( might need a few repairs).
>>33552285>that is our only choiceOnly the narrow-minded say that.
Wow, people chose to poke the corpse. Great.
>>33552317And the ones who don't fall for acheint death traps from the DM's magical realm
>>33552332If we poke it enough maybe candy will pour out.
>>33552333you do know that the narrow minded ones are usually the ones that fall for traps right?
>>33552344It's only been ash and sand so far... and we only rolled a 60! We'll probably get something gross like Rockets.
>>33552317there's a valen cruiser above us in systema union base on planetand ya we can take this wreck with us?Make it work with our superior metal working skills?thats just not probable
>>33552355...I'm not the most clever man, I will admit to you anon...
>>33552355Let's not have a pointlessly vague assertion-off. The whole ship may or may not be worth salvaging, further investigation will provide information so we can make that determination.
>>33552374True,but he left himself open for that one.
>>33552364I agree that it's impractical to take the whole ship, which is being described as a "hulk" and also heavily buried.Search it for valuable relics and skedaddle seems the wisest choice. I wouldn't want to blow it up either, since blasting the thing with weapons would probably make it easier for the Union to pick up with sensors.
>>33552408Why not slowly salvage it?I'm sure that is a happy medium, plus anything worthless gives us more metal.
>>33552333>acheintSeriously anon?>>33552355He's narrow-minded to realize that.>>33552364>there's a valen cruiser above us in systemNo there isn't anon, stop it with your shadowruns. We probably have a few days before it becomes to risky to stick around.
>>33552422Space limitations.Anyways let's not count our chickens before they're hatched.
>>33552364>there's a valen cruiser above us in systemNo there isn't.It's on the planet.
>>33552446i know, that why i suggested slow salvage the ship does runs while our workers take the ship apart piece by piece.
>>33552422Because of the union on site who might decide they wanna check the poles for shits and giggles.Sorry for being paranoid I just wanna go home with our super stealthiness intact
>>33552135Your workers quickly disperse and begin to sift through the rubble of the room, looking for anything that may be of value. You overturn several curling chairs, built like metal screws lined with padding, and heft a piece of bulkhead from the floor. Underneath is a small crystal of black metal. It is completely inert, and appears to be a decorative trinket, but its shape is almost identical to that of the Void shard you had collected from the Angel. A small ring of gold around it fastens it to a rusted chain that has long crumbled to dust, and a serpentine figure of onyx twists around the crystal. Your workers continue their search.You have your warriors approach the corpse, and slowly drag it closer to the entrance of the hulk. It is a withered looking figure wrapped in rotten and tattered clothing, its wings are filled with holes and tears, the dust and sand seeping from its wound is blackened with petrified remains. Were it not for the fact that you had just killed it a moment ago, you would think it had been dead for centuries. Your warriors investigate the wound, looking for anything that may show a critical organ, but inside the slender torso is a mix of silt and corroded devices. Rusted metal bones holding together a collection of rotted skin and fur. Its bare skull is left without flesh, although you can't tell if it looks like that naturally or not, and its eyes are blank, black lenses.1/2>>33552197I actually found perfect pictures to illustrate. The wings are where the Blink drive is, and the tubes protruding from the back are thermal vents. During a jump the wings would flex forward to form the tachyon bubble, while at rest they can act like sails to use the Skid drive
>>33552462so how big is the grounded ship, and is it possible to do multiple trips?>>33552461they would find the ship anyway, plus as long as they don't see our drones they can think of our ships as an alien race they have never seen before.
>>33552462so the ceph aren't the first race the space crystals used eh?
>>33552462>collect the jewelryWe can have Coil look at it later.
>>33552462Your Workers continue their search, and as they rip open a peeled back piece of paneling they find a small corpse. Just as old but more well preserved as the other. It appears to be of the species species, but its eyes are withered, dry orbs, clearly organic, and a thin layer of dried hide clings to the large beaked skull. It is wearing a dark brown uniform of some kind, with a grest of gold thread depicting a curling, winged serpent spiraling around a strange symbol. One of its fingered wings is reaching for a small, cracked cube of glass that has been wedged between a pile of debris and the wall, and the body is covered in claw and puncture marks.You can still hear the faint echoes of psionic thoughts from deep within the hulk. Soft, muddy thoughts of despair.>Take the bodies back to the ship and leave>Continue further into the derelict>Other
>>33552558>>collect the jewelryIt seems pretty important, i would rather not touch it now.
>>33552558I doubt he'd know of it anon. This looks far older than him.
>>33552563>Continue further into the derelicthave the workers take the bodies as well
>>33552563>Continue further into the derelic
the outpost on this planet could be either ceph or valen. Maybe it's a ceph ship looking for the and/or void crystal of the ship? We should consult coil
>>33552563>small, cracked cube of glassWhat if it's a data device? Must examine it.
>>33552563>Continue further into the derelict
>>33552563>FURTHERCollect the jewelry and the crest, and the glass cube. The glass cube may be an information device.
>>33552563>Continue further into the derelict>Take the small, cracked cube of glass >Place the bodies near the entrance so that as long as our drones can get out they can get the bodies
>>33552563Have the workers plus one warrior load the finds into the ship and the rest of the warriors continue into the derelict.
>>33552563>ever onwards, into the derelict with all haste!
>>33552497Your corvette is 100 meters long, the derelict appears to be a piece of a much larger ship, but you guess what is left would likely be at least 150 meters, although you can't tell for sure as much of it is buried.Last you saw, the Valen ship had landed on the surface by a small settlement along the shore of a river. There is no detectable satellite in the system.
>>33552592This.We need to have shit piled up so we can grab it and go in a hurry.
>>33552581>the outpost on this planet could be either ceph or valenNo it couldn't. It's Union, with a Valen vessel.
>>33552592Something resembling this.
>>33552598So multiple trips are possible, good to know.
>>33552563>Continue further into the derelict>Remember to take the things of interest we've found.>Ask Theseus to tell us a story. A stroy about long past civilizations if he knows any.
>>33552628>thesesus tell us a storyOnce upon a time there was a bug queen named Queen bitch bug and she kept and innocent AI hostage for a very long ass time. Nobody like queen bitch bug.
>>33552607We could always do a fly by while clocked if are systems can handle that.
>>33552667It's probably the sleep deprivation talking but that's hilarious.
>>33552667I really hope we don't kill Theseus.
>>33552717hes gonna die, its just a matter of when.
>>33552748Why?This is a legitimate question.I have no idea why he has to die.
>>33552717Same here. Hopefully we can workout a mutually beneficial partners built upon the free flow of information through the universe.
>>33552769Because we are queen Bitch bugexcept towards lee because we have a friendship with.
>>33552563>Move further into the derelictYour drones place the found items on the floor and move to the door. It takes some effort to pry the door open, but you eventually rip it from its rusted hinges and it hits the floor with a deep clang. The corridor within is completely dark, but your drones have no trouble moving through the blackness. You find several more corpses, of both varieties. There appears to have been a battle between them. You find more of the small crystal necklaces, and small totems of coiled serpents carved from stone or metal, each one wrapped tightly around a decorative black crystal.Your drones follow the whispering until you reach a large door at the end of a hall. The door is piled in the corpses of the alien creatures. They are tattered and rotten into little more than metal skeletons, but as you approach you see them standing huddled by the door. Their heads twitch to your drones, and they let out an agonizing mental scream. You count five in total, each one wrapped in tattered robes as decayed ash seeps from their bodies.>Charge in and attack>Open fire and hold position>Retreat>Other
>>33552769He knows too much.>>33552773I rather he give up info about us, and he keep what ever else he learned.
>>33552773Theseus cannot die.That instance of Theseus may be deleted however.We can meet him for the first time, all over again.
>>33552791>Open fire and hold position
>>33552791>>Charge in and attackI don't think they'll be good in a melee.
>>33552791>open fire and holdpositionthey'll tear us apart in melee!
>>33552799How does he know to much?>>33552801And?
>>33552791>Open fire and hold position>>33552813Um, anon. One of them carved through our armor plates with its hand. They are damn good at melee.
>>33552773I'd be up for trying to assimilate Unity.
>>33552791>>OtherScream back at them.Telepathically.Or you know, talk to them.
>>33552791>>Open fire and hold position
>Theseus is? are? all about robotics.>We are about genetic manipulations & co. >Not seeing the obvious practical partnership in making the most efficient lifeform ever.https://www.systemshock.org/shocklogs/sound/EM0403.mp3
>>33552832He has been studying us constantly, and knows how we operate, and that we are space fairing.
>>33552859I don't see the harm in Unity knowing this once we have a few planets under our control.
"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last loose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."-- Commissioner Pravin Lal, "UN Declaration of Rights"
>>33552624Doing multiple runs isn't worth the chance of discovery if it's just for the metal. Large technological components? Sure. But we'd get more metal faster using the ship to blast asteroids apart.
>>33552882>I don't see why we have to lie to the humans so much.Literally the same person, and look how that turned out.
>>33552859We're only trying to actively hide from the Union and Commonwealth right?
>>33552896Look at>>33552791This shit is important.>>33552900Anyone actually, not just the humans.
>>33552898Unity is robots not humans.
>>33552791>Open fire and hold positionPlease roll 1d100, best of 3
>>33552791>>33552839Seriously I'm no diplomancer but these guys are telepathic.So it can't hurt to attempt telepathic discourse while also defending ourselves.
Rolled 28>>33552919They have used the cyborgs services before to get samples and tech.>>33552934
>>33552917It is important. Taking EVERYTHING isn't. Kind of wish we had a flame thrower unit on hand to sterilize the place once we're done.
>>33552940What are you implying? That they'll send people after us? That's insane.
>>33552919>>33552851>>33552717I for one am more than happy developing a mutually beneficial bond with the Unity. I think we could gain a lot from having a race whose species goal is to learn everything. Thats a powerful tech advantaged against the humans, and we have the ability to realize that tech advantage significantly faster than any of the other fleshy races.
>>33552979And they'd be good allies against whatever that planet cracker thing was.
>>33552975Why do you think they won't?
>>33552791>>Open fire and hold position>>33552898Trust no one except Lee.
>>33552975Not him, but it's not beyond reasoning that the Unity might act unscrupulously. We're particularly vulnerable in diplomatic dealings with established space-faring races, especially ones that know where we live, because they can nuke us without worrying about negative repercussions from anyone else.Secrecy has its price. And no, allying with Unity wouldn't provide any diplomatic protection from the Union.
>>33553014Lee can be trusted because he's painfully honest and happens to be good-natured. Best prisoner we've ever had. good husbando material.Definitely going his route over Lyle, the twins, Coil, or Theseus. (Why do we keep so many men in our dungeons?)
>>33552979Any shit like that can wait until secrecy is no longer required, and the hive has a power base as established as the existing players. We just joined this game. We can't take risks.Secrecy is most easily maintained when you're the only one who knows the truth.
>>33553060would you a HQQ dateing sim anon
>>33552934Your warriors open fire, ripping into the charging creatures. Several of them drop to the ground, but they immediately right themselves and continue their charge. You keep firing, hoping to hit some critical area but they keep coming at you.The first hits your warrior, its claws tearing through the armor and slicing off an arm. Your warriors respond as your workers duck behind them, and your warriors tear open the creature, slicing it clean in half. The body twitches and writhes on the ground as it tries to continue its assault, and the others move in its place. Your warrior catches a claw in its chest, slicing through the armor like paper and its gaping maw rips through your drone's head. The others charge and the firing line quickly descends into a melee of claw and blade, tooth and mandible. Another warrior is lost, and a worker is caught with a ferocious swipe of a straw claw, ripping its thorax in half in a single, swift motion.-1 worker-3 wariors5 workers, 3 warriors and 1 shock troop remain>Attempt to fall back to ranged>Retreat>Have the workers distractDue to write-ins>Attempt to communicate>Other
>>33553095>>33553095I would husbando leeI would play HQ the dating sim
>>33553011I think Unity won't send bounty hunters or sample collectors after us for a variety of reasons.The first and most important being that we are too valuable for them to not have as an ally.We are a rapidly advancing race that will soon be a major player in the galactic balancing act. We have proven that we can work together and that our goals can be compatible with each other.Even if we don't full on "ally" ourselves with them they have the opportunity to greatly increase their knowledge of the universe under a partnership with the Hive. It's too good of a deal for them not to take!My final point is that given the possibility of the extinction of all organic life and the subsequent loss of data that would cause Unity would be an important and dependable ally against whatever is coming in the future.
>>33553060Are the twins male?
>>33553124>Moe queen shojo romanceHell yes
>>33553065Which I pretty much agree with. That doesn't mean we have to kill Theseus. Its pretty simple to straight up tell Theseus, >"Until we have an established presence in this sector and the means to successfully defend the Hive, we cannot allow you to return to the greater whole that is Theseus, or the rest of your collective. We believe you would be immensely useful allies and would prefer for this instance of you to stay alive, as you have had substantial interactions with us. However, much of the information you have regarding the Hive would be immensely detrimental to the Hive if it was in enemy hands. It would be most beneficial for the Unity, and this instance of Theseus if you assisted the Hive as much as possible in growing and expanding until such time as the information you hold being returned to the Unity is not a death knell for us."Hows that sound?
>>33553137>>Attempt to communicateYou crazy motherfuckers. Mad with despair, grief and loneliness.
>Attempt to fall back to ranged>>Have the workers distract
>>33553137>>Attempt to communicatefailing that>Attempt to fall back to ranged
>>33553160I like it.I like it a lot.
>>33553160Logical. Like the way you are supposed to deal with AI.
>>33553149Yes. We know they're male, because that's how their species gender works.They're actually triplets. All males are.We don't know about what happened to Louie.
>>33553149It's likely. The species either births a single female or three identical males. It's likely they had another brother who died.
>>33553160Or you don't tell him shit. Which is far superior.Once Unity finds out we exist and are spacefaring, most of the issues with reUniting Theseus with Theseus go awa
>>33553137>Attempt to communicateRoll 1d100, best of 3
>>33553137>Attempt to communicateIf failure>Attempt to fall back to ranged>Deploy 10 reinforcement warriors from the corvette
Rolled 31>>33553223satan guide my dice
>>33553219I don't agree with you.Your poor grammar reinforces this.
>>33553144>important being that we are too valuable for them to not have as an allyWrong nothing is too valuable( to them its a measure of risk and reward), if we are seen as a threat they will kill us with out hesitation.>We are a rapidly advancing race that will soon be a major player in the galactic balancing act.They don't know that, and as far as they know we are a race that evolves pretty fast with something akin to their hive mind.>We have proven that we can work together and that our goals can be compatible with each other.Point taken, but remember that robots don't truly have loyalty, but predilections of our possible actions.>Even if we don't full on "ally" ourselves with them they have the opportunity to greatly increase their knowledge of the universe under a partnership with the Hive.So you rather them learn of the void crystals and how we communicate with our drones and the like?>It's too good of a deal for them not to take!By force if we don't give it up willingly>My final point is that given the possibility of the extinction of all organic life and the subsequent loss of data that would cause Unity would be an important and dependable ally against whatever is coming in the future.So your saying they value life over knowledge?When in reality they value knowledge over everything.
>>33553160One of the reasons that it is acceptable only to meet others when we are established is that we have much more flexibility in how we meet with them. The terms and conditions, the information we share. Starting from a blank slate and in a position of power is far different than even a powerful position the details of which are reasonably well known by others.
>>33553235Praise Satan rebuke the All-Father!
Rolled 65>>33553223rolling >>33553219But the problem right now is that we risk Theseus attempting to escape and starting off our relationship badly with the amazing AI who want to research everything.Besides. He already knows a shit ton about us, there is literally nothing to be lost in trying to placate him and if anything it lays the basis for a future alliance.
>>33553219If they find us it would be much better for "our" theseus to not feel like we played him.
>>33553287Pretty sure this quest is roll under.
>>33553219Goddammit this post posted automatically when I was still drafting it?>>33553241Theseus only knows we have drones, we're on the fungus planet, and that we found the Clarke and he's helping to give us some of the tech from it as we repair it.And that we exist, and it's not our native world, so we're spacefaring.So, if we ever meet Unity in space, they'll know we exist and are spacefaring. If we can hide from them where our homebase is, then sure, keeping Theseus separate from Theseus is sensible. It's keeping something sensitive secret.If they ever find out about our location on this world on their own though, there isn't much disadvantage left.
>>33553295piss poor attempt at trolling bro
>>33553257>>33553272These are the reasons people toy with killing him. Just saying.
>>33553254Anon I just wouldn't feel right about killing this Theseus just for getting a blank slate with Unity.It's idealistic and Naive but it's true.
>>33553257>there is literally nothing to be lostYes there is. You are admitting you are trying to keep him here, rather than making a good-faith effort to reunite him with Unity. You can pretend to be doing that, but you simply haven't met any Unity ships in space yet, alas!If you don't mention it, he doesn't know that. Telling him the reason you are keeping him prisoner does not make him less likely to attempt escapes on his own. His priorities are not yours.
>>33553335Your "muh feelings" have no weight as an argument anon. They convince no one.
>>33553304Theseus also knows we encountered Lyle, that we can crack languages in days, roughly how quickly we absorb technical data as he has been directing repairs on the Clarke. If the Clarke is fully repaired and he's allowed to go to his rendezvous, he will also have a chance to take scans on his way off the planet.Oh right, he also has suspicions on how the Union regards us and knows that we're trying to lay low in that regard. that's brownie points in one way, but knowing that we were effectively pinned under a nuke sat is more than he needs to know.
>>33553253That is a pretty shitty attempt at misconstruing my argument.
>>33553390He probably know about the nukes, since it seems like standard procedure.
>>33553384Are you trying to imply killing it over fear isn't a feeling too?
>>33553335Hey, that's fair. If we were better at the tech side of things, I'd suggest to him that he put together a sterilized data package, but we can't really verify the sterilization.
>>33553384So you think Utilitarianism is how we should go about this?
>>33553395I tried to go against every point, but ok.I rather start with a blank slate, instead of giving away vital information about us, being so trusting towards the robots like some people wanted towards the humans is guaranteed to bite us in the ass.
>>33553409It's not fear. It's actually considering options on the table, instead of going "but i would feel bad!" and automatically discarding one without thought.I don't think terminating him is the answer, honestly. But weighing the risks and rewards involved is worthwhile, and "but I really like him as a character" (which I do, personally) isn't part of that.
We should ask Theseus what Unity procedure is for encountering ships, both of known races and unknown races.IE: Do they open fire immediately?
>>33553420yup, its how the robots will go about these things.
>>33553403His comments on the satellite suggested that it /wasn't/ standard. Not for the level of civ they thought we were. Informing Unity of our primitive ruse means implicitly asking Unity the favor of abiding by it. That's effectively asking them for a favor right off the bat. We don't have anything over them while they can screw with us in multiple ways.
>>33553420No?a cost/benefit analysis is how you go about this.Morality is irrelevant.
>>33553428Nigga they are space robots, they could probably learn just as much using all the fancy technology they surely have due to being space robots.
>>33553437I can second this.
>>33553437Of fucking course they don't.How "nice" and "friendly" Unity are is irrelevant to the problem at hand.
>>33553428I just have problems with how you either confused or misinterpreted my points. Most importantly the final one about Unity and loss of life.The point I was trying to make there was that Unity an entity devoted to cataloging all living things would not want all those things to die before they're catalogued
>>33553437It's a sensible question, but as always, we have no way to verify that anything Theseus says, or has said, is true.
>>33553479We can ask the people we have around how the unity act, mercenaries generally travel a lot.
>>33553476so how does that relate to us exactly?
>>33553223You can't stand this psionic static any longer. You reach out with your mind and claw at them with your mind. You feel them recoil, first in shock, then it terror, and finally they fall to the ground, writhing in agony. You sense the faint thoughts coming from the other room surge with activity as a wave of emotions wash over your drones, sending them into confused fits as they briefly lose their connection to your mind. The collection of creatures tear at themselves violently as they trash on the floor, and eventually lie still.The door opens. It slides into the wall half way before stuttering for a moment and then grinding to a halt with the sound of worn motors. Within you see a dark room, dimly lit with a soft blue light, and in the center is a small, round platform covered in wires and diodes. You feel the thoughts coming from the center of the room, and you see a slight hint of movement. You finally manage to interpret the faint thoughts."Help us.">Move into the chamber>Take what artifacts you found and leave>Other
>>33553512That doesn't make any sense. How would a human know how Unity reacts to *unidentified sapient species*?I am curious, though, about Unity's relationship with the civilizations they are not in a blood feud with, the Valen and the Ceph. Presumably they're capable of interacting without violence.
>>33553529>Move into the chamber
>>33553529>>Move into the chamber
>>33553529> approach with all caution, weapons up and ready have a few warriors hang back just incase
>>33553512Their history and Theseus' behavior gives the impression that they are as reserved and secretive as we sometimes try to be. I'm doubtful of the value of knowledge we'd gain, most likely all hearsay.I'd rather not tip the mercs off hat we've got a pet AI either. We'd have to be very careful with our questions.
>>33553529>move a single worker into the chamber>train all guns on its head, in case shit gets 2spookyWe ought to reply back "Who are you?">>33553543We want to know how they react in general. If they shoot down human civilians left right and center, we may have a problem. If they only shoot military vessels, we have less of a problem.
>>33553569>we may have a problemNo, we really wouldn't.
>>33553443Okay Utilitarianism is defined as doing the greatest amount of good for the greatest amount of people. To seethe greatest good we have to analyze the possible cost and benefit to our actions. You argue that at the cost of killing this instance of Theseus we benefit by getting a blank slate with Unity. This WOULD be the most cost effective if you're under the erroneous belief that the tech we've traded and would "recycle" to another instance of Theseus would be more advantageous in the long run.I'm here to present the idea that while initially putting us in a more equal position. It would cost is less and benefit us more in the long run.
>>33553529Supporting this >>33553569It appears that whatever these things are haven't really been exposed to other psionically active beings. Otherwise they would've reacted better to us trying to talk.
>>33553543You can learn a shitload by knowing how they deal with a know enemy.>>33553558No reason to tell anyone we have theseus, just invent a story about catching some chatter about the unity.
>>33553529>OtherTalk back. Ash what is going on.
>>33553586unless they shoot down lee again.Then their ships will burn
>>33553586Human civilian ships are probably going to be unarmed, man. If they're killing people who are literally not a threat to them, how are they going to react to one of our ships popping out of tachyonspace in front of them?
>>33553569the ai are like Zahn Consortium from empire at war right?Less a civ and more of an underground faction operating in the borders of the union and commonwealth?no point making lasting deal with bandits really
>>33553593Your grammar and actual reasoning broke down at the end there. Please expand.
>>33553612>not a threat to themThey are. They're an information leak. Theseus has explained this.They do not seek out humans. But when they find humans, they must silence them. To keep Unity locations secret.Humans want to shut down Unity, and Unity shuts down humans in order to maintain secrecy to preserve themselves. It's a blood feud. We do not have a blood feud with them. Non human species are not the same threat as humans.
>>33553621I'm sorry it's 4 A.M. Where I'm at and I'm running on caffeine and fumes.Give me a moment to collect my thoughts.
>>33553640I'm guessing it's something to do with good will won from assisting an instance of Theseus?
>>33553593Pretty much where I'm at. I think we gain a hell of a lot by having an AI that we've been in close contact with for a substantial period of time. Its all too easy for a race like ours tagged by everyone as the MUST KILL AT ALL COST race. It would be very good to have a race the Unity paired up with us very closely. The Unity have proven that they are incredibly secretive, like us, and if we want to ally with them we are going to need to do something big. I think this relationship with Theseus almost guarantees a close alliance with the Unity that would otherwise be nigh impossible.
>>33553638The interesting bit is knowing what they do if they find some non threatening human (like civilians as said by another anon) in the middle of nowhere, would they still get rid of them?Knowing how the humans act would be nice too, I mean they did put a satellite full of nukes in orbit.
>>33553669>Its all too easy for a race like ours tagged by everyoneNo it isn't.Maybe humans are irrational. But Theseus is a cold and logical machine.There's no Social Link, there are no "relationship points", this isn't a dating sim, it's realpolitik. Unity will do what advantages itself, and it doesn't want war, or territory, or fighting. It just needs Metals to build more processing power in the form of server ships, and specimens to analyze.There's no meaningful "alliance" since while we want to take territory from the greedy and ravenous Union, Unity will want no part of that. They're good trading partners for information, that's all. And they'll do that with anyone, if the data's to their advantage. No "close relationship" required.
>>33553655No. Not good will. The ability for this Theseus to put us in a position where the minimal amount of war needs to be made in order to have peace.
>>33553728If you mean that his information would hand Unity the ability to easily cow us, I agree. Otherwise you're going to have to step me through your logic.
>>33553728Peace? What war? Unity is not now, nor has it ever seemed to be at risk of going to war with us.They are very unwarlike.They just can't allow any human to see them and live. That's all.
>>33553529>Move into the chamberYou send in several of your remaining drones to investigate the chamber. The soft blue light of the room's consoles cascade across the small chair in the center, and across the creature within."Who are you?" You ask slowly.The creature turns its head to you, its eyes open slowly, then close again. "Servants.""Who do you serve?"It looks at you again, this time adjusting itself in its seat to get a better view of your worker. You can see it has been grafted to the seat, its skin peeled pack to reveal a mesh of plastic and metal ribs, all running into a bundle of cables and conduits flowing from the back of its large, beaked skull. "You do not speak for them? You do not know them?" It lets out a deep cackle, like the grating of a pair of cinderblocks. "Then we did well."What would you like to say?
>>33553751are they the gods i have heard about.
>>33553751So you kill them then. What help do you need? Why are you here on this planet?
>>33553719It seems we are at an impasse. Regardless I will. for now, vote toward keeping Theseus alive.
>>33553751Ask for more information about who they serve, how they ended here, why did they ask for help.
>>33553751Would we ever meet our mother?
>>33553751You serve the pieces-of-nothing? What did you do well?You asked for help. Why?
>>33553751"Do they uplift races? Give them the secret to moving faster than light?" At that, we should throw the image of the void crystals at them.Also"How can you talk to me like this? Is it natural, or technology?""Will you die if you are removed from this room?"
>>33553742>>33553749Oh I don't mean War with Unity. I am referring to the total annihilation or subjugation of the human race that needs to happen for us both to accomplish our goals as I understand them to be.
>>33553751We should go with something simple like:"Please, tell your story."
>>33553814That's dumb. Unity isn't even /interested/ in war by our understanding.
>>33553820This is good.
>>33553751Is there something we can do to help? We heard your call from orbit.
>>33553808>>33553820>>33553840Can we all of these?
>>33553814Not necessarily, if we grow powerful enough we can just tell the humans to fuck off or be turned into delicious biomass and leave our brobots in peace too.
>>33553803>pieces-of-nothingYes, we know what you are referring to, birdrobots. Mention this.
GuysWe should talk to Coil about this. Ask if he knows something.
>>33553865No. no no no.For the love of god, no.This is clearly very sensitive. Do not mention this to him. You could break his adorable, zealous mind.
>>33553820I support this one
>>33553886Maybe just ask if he knows anything about mechanical bird people
>>33553853That is a mere modus vivendi produced by impotence or exhaustion and is not actually peace, since hostile intent remains. And the idea of deterrence with overwhelming force worked so well in the Cold War didn't it?
>>33553820I like it!
>>33553751>"You do not speak for them? You do not know them?" It lets out a deep cackle, like the grating of a pair of cinderblocks. "Then we did well."Oh. Ohhhh.Of course. At first I read this as, he did well in serving the Void Shards, by keeping non-shard-aligned psionic people ignorant... But no. He was expecting a psionic race to be another servant race, and the fact that we're not means they did well...did well in defying the shards?He was expecting to have been hunted down by loyal shard-followers, maybe?
>>33553906Coil knows squat and this is just out of his depthLeave the guy out of it
>>33553946Shhh anon were about to find out.
>>33553910Then what? kill everything that isn't us? We are apparently worth a lot of money so hostile intent would be here no matter what.
>>33553946Or maybe they did well in disseminating life with a predisposition for psionics
>>33553973Demilitarize, conquer. Do to them what the USA did to japan post-WW2. Without the nuking first, ideally?I mean I"m not that anon but subjugation or a very lopsided "treaty" are effective.
>>33553973Disregarding the fact that we're only worth a lot of money to a select few individuals who work for someone interested in us.NoNo we do not kill everything that is not us. We do however need to subjugate intimidate or eliminate everything that stands in the way of us defeating those civilization eaters.Given that the humans are Stupid, Vain, Divided, Imperialistic and all together an obstacle to our survival.
>>33554032And I just realized that I'm arguing myself in circles due to logical and moral imperatives that keep getting messed up in my head.Goodnight tg.Maybe this'll all make sense in the morning.
>>33554077Seriously how did this happen?I came into this thread wanting neutrality with the humans and all of a sudden I'm starting to sound like Nixon!>>33554032>>33553910>>33553814Were all me.I don't even know anymore.
>>33554100Proof for cynic in all of us.
>>33554112Why are you posting from an iphone?
>>33554100It's because we are in the dark, we don't know how the humans act, we don't know how the unity act, we don't know shit.
>>33554112>>33554111Nixon was a great president, its just that he was a tad racist, and the water gate scandal fucked him over.
>>33553751You send them the brief image of a void crystal and measure the creature's reaction. Its eyes whip to your drone for a moment before it holds up a small trinket in one of its winged claws. A small metal crystal carving, wrapped in a serpent."Did they teach you?" You ask simply. A good catch-all question."Yes." It says. There is bitterness in the answer. "And stole our future. How do you speak without being guided by them?""It comes naturally." You say. It laughs again as you finish. "How did you get to be here?"It looks at you for a long while, and then several screens flicker, and a series of projectors fill the room with a holographic orb. It quickly fills with color, although it is faded and poorly formed, and you can make out a lush world of massive trees and endless rivers."Home." It thinks simply. The hologram expands in its scale, to reveal the two suns and the small roasted planet beside it."They found us, shaped us, but we grew too powerful, and eventually, they destroyed us."The hologram fizzles out, and is replaced with a recording from the bow of a starship. Small streaking vessels can be seen chased by hundreds of black phantoms, each with pulsing wings."We were their mistake. They gave us too much, and demanded too little."A twisting ball of spacetime forms just in front of the recording ship, and a silver tendril reaches out, slicing through the hull and shearing the ship in half. The recording is sent on a spiral out of the battle, and you see the liquid pouring over the planet, tearing into the crust and churning it like a thick soup."We are all that is left. Living from their gifts. It has been too long." It shuts off the display and the machines groan from the strain of their age. "You do not know them. Perhaps that is also their mistake."
>>33554127My PC stopped working. I'm about to get a replacement though!
>>33554154Oh shit, the crystals are fucking eldrich beings.
>>33554154Welp we may have a clue what wiped us outGonna need to kill the ceph
>>33554139He called himself a pacifist while intensifying the conflict in Vietnam.That dissonance between thoughts and actions is what I meant by that.
>>33554190I still don't get where people are coming to the conclusion that we WERE wiped out from.
>>33554190Why do you think that happened to us.
>>33554154Well holy shit. Glad we fucking stumbled across this before we revealed everything to the Ceph.Also damn this is crazy awesome. I wonder what else they are going to tell us...
>>33554154Well. It wanted help, we've got a ship. Hey? We can get it out of here maybe, maybe it can help us not get killed by spacedicks.
>>33554195Because there are very, very few reason to pull a Superman if your planet isn't going full Krypton.Why would you send a tiny seed of your race deep into space without knowledge, without guidance? Send the equivalent of a baby in a rocket ship?Why would you send it deep into uncharted space, in a weak little Pod that can only crash land, disguised as part of a meteor, unless Stealth was paramount?Why would stealth be paramount unless you had a very thorough and watchful *enemy* that you were hopelessly outclassed by?And also, of course, because for meta reasons: It's the natural storytelling twist.
>>33554195Narrative tropes and the fact that we saw a world being destroyed by these crystal beings. Most people assumed that it was the world of our "mother" and we saw it because of the sympathetic link between us.
>>33554214>Because there are very, very few reason to pull a Superman if your planet isn't going full Krypton.Except our species doesn't need tech to talk, and we were born with the knowledge of our species.
>>33554154Send it the image of the thing we saw in the palantir. The world-eating thing.Also, we should ask what should be done with any species that seem to have come under their sway.
>>33554154"You wanted help?" You ask."Yes. We have failed. Our world is gone. Yet they keep us here." The thoughts are filled with spite. "Help us end.">Agree to help him>Refuse>Ask another question>Other
>>33554226That is a total non sequitur anon, go to bed you're tired
>>33554243This please, the whole universe just got even more dangerous.
>>33554249"We will help you end if you help us continue"
>>33554249"The Hive will grant you death, if that is your wish. But we must know more about 'them'."
>>33554249>Agree to help himAsk him if there's anything we can use if we ever encounter these beings again and >>33554243
>>33554249You want to die? Why can't you terminate yourselves?We need your help first. What do They want? Where did they come from? What do they call themselves?
>>33554249>Ask another questionHow did you fight them?They have found a new species to control?What are they doing?
>>33554249show it this image. >>33554243>Turn it around on them. Ask for their assistance in defeating these beings that destroyed them, so that they may never do to other what they did to you.
>>33554249We need help to avoid a similar end.
>>33554214>Because there are very, very few reason to pull a Superman if your planet isn't going full Krypton.Except, we were told in the first thread what we are in the first thread.>>31423707>Why would you send a tiny seed of your race deep into space without knowledge, without guidance? We were sent with a thinker, and because our species rapidly grows, hell we could have made another queen from day 1, i won't be surprised if we meet family eventually.>Send the equivalent of a baby in a rocket ship?The baby grew into a queen rapidly with knowledge passed down from her mother.>Why would you send it deep into uncharted space, in a weak little Pod that can only crash land, disguised as part of a meteor, unless Stealth was paramount?So that the new queen can survive and grow her hive.>Why would stealth be paramount unless you had a very thorough and watchful *enemy* that you were hopelessly outclassed by?Because the queen is fragile, and can be easily killed.>And also, of course, because for meta reasons: It's the natural storytelling twist.A good meta reason is that our was made by religious zelots trying to please their masters( we could be easily controlled).
>Discussion about politics, politicians and even good old usa nuking japan.>No shitposting.Thanks for being the best board.
>>33554249"We are not a mistake. Give us your lost knowledge and we will shield you from them." Dunno how though.
>>33554214It's not like it costs them anything to do so, could have done it for giggles and shits. Being conscious of world-ending threats is good, but assuming our people is wiped out is actually blinding ourselves to the potential challenge of facing one of our own as enemies.
>>33554239>>33554250They force the races to become dependent on tech, so that they can communicate.
>>33554296and be easily controlled.
It is clear we need more psionic power if we are to defend ourself from this unknown threat. We should upgrade the throneroom with more psionics. Maybe a throne made from Advanced Psionics (the drone module) which we can plug directly into. With slots for placing of void crystals.
>>33554249"We need your race's technology. What They gave you. How to fight them."
>>33554316Playing with the crystals seems like a great way to attract unwanted attention.
>>33554316With slots for placing of void crystals.Heh No NoNo merging with eldrich abominations
>>33554249Not yet.You must teach us first.
>>33554293We could have been from another galaxy. Basically all they could send with was one pod with a queen in. Maybe there are several galaxies conquered by our species already
>>33554296Well yes. I wasn't saying that the hive species was uplifted by the singing stones.I was saying they were eliminated as rivals, somethng they couldn't control but tat had mastered tachyons.Or it could have been wiped out by a different large threat entirely from the void shards people. Dunno.
>>33554249"You seek death?""Our existence was not our own, but our demise was our choice. Their gifts are our curse. We cannot die.""Then how could I help you?"A door opens in response. The room opens and you see a black crystal emerge from the floor. Silver wires flow from the crystal to the rest of the ship, and as the alien speaks you sense it moving slightly, and yet it remains still."Only it can grant us piece, and it only responds to those with their will.""But then why have you not done this?""It does not listen to us. We have lost their will. Call it. Tell it to end.">Ask another question>Agree (destroy the derelict and void crystal)>Refuse>Take the void crystal>Other
>>33554388I'm half scared to meet a rival queen.lets make one
>>33554396>>RefuseNot until you help us first. We have much to learn.
>>33554396>Ask another questionHow did you fight them?They have found a new species to control what to do to them?What are they doing?
>>33554396>RefuseWe require assistance so we do not meet your fate. >Ask another questionDoes this look familiar?>>33554243
>>33554393Or nothing at all. We /don't know/ the fate of our species.
>>33554396"We will end you soon. But we must know more. We do not wish to die by their hands. Please, if your kind are to end today, grant my kind a future. The kind of future you will have died to ensure."
>>33554434We don't know shit!And I don't like it!
>>33554470make another queen then, since it is pretty easy.
>>33554396Why did your robots attack before you realized we were telepathic? Why defend, if you want to perish?We need to know everything you know. The whole sordid history of your race and Them. What is Their goal, their motivations? Where are they physically?(QD, how large is the black crystal compared to individual void shards we've seen. Larger?)
I suggest we end them without interacting with the crystal, just skull crushing or something. We have no idea how that crap work and it ain't looking good.
>>33554480We should definitely offer to do that.
>>33554475>(QD, how large is the black crystal compared to individual void shards we've seen. Larger?)size doesn't seem to matter since the last one grew to be huge.>>33554480They seem to become a hive mind trapped in the particles.
>>33554480>>33554491I don't mean it like right now, but after we have all the answer we can get.
>>33554501Size absolutely, obviously matters. They used to be one large monolith Singing Stone, and then they became tiny little whispers.They didn't 'grow', exactly, anyway, they folded space.
>Talking Shards.>Giant space tentacles.I don't like where this is going.
>>33554587>I like where this is goingftfy
>>33554154>hundreds of black phantoms, each with pulsing wings.Explain this visual. Where did they come from? What presence do they have in normal space? Or in No-Space? What are their capabilities, their motives? Why did they uplift you, and why did you rebel?
>>33554396"No. You must help us first." You say. It groans in response. A deep, aching cry of frustration. "How did you fight them?" You finish."We did not. We defied them, that is all, but our defiance was our greatest act. It was the only act we truly did.""If you wished to die, why did your machines defend you?"It gives you a somber look, and says, "Not machines. Us. And we thought you served them, and had come to take us back. We will serve no more!""Where are they? What do they want?" You are starting to become irritated. These answers remind you of Coil, although of a different alignment."They are what they wish. They are where they wish. We knew nothing of their plans, only that we defied them." The creature stairs at your worker, its large skull shaking slightly. "Speak to the Void. Tell it to end.">>33554475It is a single crystal, roughly the size of a football. Slightly larger than your own samples when at rest, but only by a few centimeters.>>33554422From the hologram recording you can tell that the silver liquid is almost identical to the entity you saw when you peered into the Void shard at your hive.
>>33554396>>Ask another questionWe must first be given information relating to them.
>>33554597Well, I confess the possibility of Eldritch horrors fucking around do sound interesting.
>>33554661Let it know peace
>>33554661Your technology. We need to understand it. How they gave you telepathy, how they gave you immortality. Teach us, and we can release you.
>>33554396Add: Why do they uplift races? Tell him about the new uplifted race.To:>>33554475
>>33554661this >>33554705We need everything they have
>>33554661Ask if we couldn't make it stop by physically destroying the shard, so we can have a worker do it instead of mindpower shenanigans.
>>33554661Let them die.Though ask them two things: To point out any knowledge caches they have before we kill them. And what they called themselves, so we may build an appropriate monument.
>>33554705We don't need immortality, and they likely used gene mods or some bullshit to figure out telepathy. We can tear their shit apart once they're dead, and figure it out from there.
>>33554661Give us all the data of your technology, and you can die.If your curse is immortality, where are all the other survivors of your race?
>>33554763Some speculated they're all in one mind, or in the shard.We just destroy that, and they die.
>>33554738I like the monument and name idea.
"and by the way, what's this cracked transparent cube?"
>>33554661Kill them it whatever. Ask their name as well
>>33554661"Help us learn what you have learned first."The creature reaches for a small device. A clear glass cube. It shimmers with various images within it and he hands it to you. "Use it. Do not let it use you. Resist them, and make them remember the Skyl."You can feel the Void crystal hum in the center of the room. It should respond to you, like the other did before.>Destroy the crystal, and the derelict>Take the crystal>Other
>>33554811>Destroy the crystal, and the derelictWe need to be careful around the damn things from now on. Maybe take the crystals to somewhere else away from the throne room?
>>33554661Send him the mental image of the planet consuming creature. Tell him about the new uplifted race. Tell him you will give them release, but we want him to tell us his people's story, why they defied them and how. Ask him about the other bodies the one's that look different from one's that moved.
>>33554811Let's kill them after we get their name.>>33554738
>>33554811>Destroy the crystal, and the derelict
>>33554811>destroy the crystal, loot the derelict, and then burn everythingThe Skyl shall not be forgotten!>>33554830We already know. They were like the Ceph, but then their overlords were displeased, tensions went to war, and shit happens. Presumably the moving bodies are ones that were linked to the crystal, whereas others weren't.The planet consumer was shown in the hologram of what happened to their world.>>33554847They're called the Skyl.
>>33554811>One last question, ask him what to do with another uplifted race then>Destroy the crystal, and the derelict
>>33554811Great now we have a cube who may somehow try to use us on top of the shards.
>>33554811We, at least, will remember the Skyl.
>>33554811>>Take the crystalNo destroying. It's too interesting. It shouldn't be used much, but it should exist.
>>33554873What's that from?
>>33554811>Take the crystalWe take it and use it against our enemies.
>>33554888Wakfu.The guy in the reflection is Nox.>>33554882>>33554890You know that leaves them alive and in agony, yes?
>>33554873I /think/ the dude meant a standard "with great responsibility yadda yadda" thing.>>33554882>>33554890Nah, fuck void crystals. Too much use and they'll just find us faster. Also, let's not be dicks here.
>>33554811Wait, wait. What.Destroy the derelict? What?We just have to 'call' the crystal to end them.> Call it. Tell it to end."I thought. I don't understand.
>>33554902>they'll just find us fasterThis, so much this.Remember, if you look into the palantir, it looks into you. Or something like that.Using the crystals exposes us to their sight. Fuck, even just possessing them may be bad news.>>33554915Don't worry anon, we'll loot it before we destroy it.
>>33554915There's no time to explain!Explosions!Grabbing bodies as we don't look at said explosions!
>>33554866There isn't any problem with talking to him about the ceph and what the difference between the other bodies we found. I mean we're going to kill him so why not ask?
>>33554915We just got a fancy datacube, we don't really need them and it's not like we aren't looting the place anyway.
>>33554944But we can kill them without destroying anything. It's stupid.The void shards, so long as they are not activated, do not seem to be a problem.
>>33554811>>Take the crystalThis is compatible with euthanizing the Skyl, right?We just have to 'call' the crystal to kill them.
>>33554811Why do we have to destroy the crystal to free them? Can't we free them and keep it?
>>33554966No. Taking the crystal means taking it. They still live.We need to destroy it for them to die.
>>33554956I'm willing to accept that they know what they're doing. If they say break the shard, we break the shard.
>>33554811>>Take the crystal
>>33554977Because ridiculous space magic, that's why. Does it really matter? Do we /really/ need the shard? Let's not take risks being greedy.
>>33554966>>33554977>>33554992Guys, we already have our own crystals.Besides, we need like 2-4 crystals for a Cephdrive to work. This is a single, literally haunted, crystal.It's double useless.Also, if we try to take it they will probably kill our dudes for not ending their torment.
>>33554979>We need to destroy it for them to die.> If they say break the shard, we break the shard.Sorry, I think I'm stupid at 7am. Where did they say that?They said>> Call it. Tell it to end."Where did they say "smash shit up"?
>>33554811Use the crystal to free them without destroy it and possible all this sweet tech.
>>33555004Taking it is not putting us in any more danger. They've already 'seen' us, the first time we saw them.Destroying it doesn't seem to have any utility. Destroying the derelict, even less so.
>>33554811>Destroy the crystalYou reach out to it with your mind, and with a simple thought it begins to grow. Branches of darkness slowly sprout from its body and the crystal begins to shake, twitching and folding in on itself. Your drones rush down the hall, collecting the samples you had found along the way and quickly make it to your ship. As your ship lifts away from the derelict a lance of nothingness punctures the rusted hull from within, and a twisting knot of fractured spacetime tears into the remains.It folds in on itself, ripping the broken hull and the scattered debris out of existence.As the Void crystal tears itself into oblivion you feel a single faint thought from within it, just before it disappears."Make them remember."
>>33555011The dude is telling us to activate the crystal's self-destruct.
>>33555046Yaaaay. Happy ending get.
>>33555046right I'm pretty sure the union saw that so its time to get the fuck outta dodge
>>33555046We have some bodies, jewelry, the cracked cube, and the pristine cube, yes?Cause I think that's all the shit we wanted to loot.Lets get our ship out of here before any Eldritch motherfuckers show up. Even if the Valen see us.We should also tell Theseus to add a tick to the 'list of extinct sapient species' list. And then charge him technology for the details.
>>33555046Great, now we have to contend with a Grand Menace, which is now possibly after us because our species has somehow mastered psionics without their meddling.
>>33555074It was on the literal other side of the planet. Their view is a wee bit obstructed.
>>33555110Still we got what we came for, its time to cash out.lets not push our luck.
>>33555088There shouldn't be anything stopping us from cloaking out. Not sold on telling Theseus about this adventure either. Without tangible evidence, it's hearsay and it'll raise questions over just how we're exploring supposedly colonized planets without being noticed.>>33555098That was already true. When we used the void shards to scry around the place, we got seen back.
>the void shard was effectively a HorcruxReally hope that knowledge is in that cube. Not because it's useful for us, but because it's really goddamn interesting that they'd do such a thing.
>>33555062How is that a happy ending in your books?
>>33555046As your ship climbs you activate its cloaking field and the light around it distorts into a shimmering blur. You take account of your acquired goods. Two cubes which appear to be data storage devices, although one is damaged, several dormant corpses, and a decorative trinket. As your ship reaches orbit you detect the small settlement again. The artificial lake has grown slightly, and you see a few more of the large buildings but it is otherwise quite. The ship is still parked by the river, and you note several hull segments have been removed and placed throughout the small village.>Go back to the hive>Investigate the settlement>Other
>>33555140Who wants to bet that when we show ourselves to the Ceph, we'd get the full inquisition welcome and get attacked for being heretics against "Them".>>33555177Well if there's no other ships in-system then>Investigate the settlement
>>33555177>return to hiveWe can come back to check this place out later.
>>33555185>Who wants to betI've been saying that since the first time dumbass anons started saying "we should talk to them!"
>>33555159They got what they wanted and we got stuff. Any day we get rewarded by the people we're killing is a good day.
>>33555177Return to the hiveNo point in risking the loot.
>>33555177>>Go back to the hiveOur spoils must be sent to the lab for cataloging!
>>33555177>Investigate the settlement
>>33555177>Go back to the hiveMore curious about our loot than the settlement.
>>33555177Go back to hive, Reequip with more soldier and workers and go back immediately.
>>33555235I'm curious, for what purpose?
>>33555177>>Investigate the settlementFrom a safe distance under stealth anyways. This is what we built a stealth corvette for after all.
>>33555177>Return to the hiveYour ship quickly accelerates away from the planet to mask its jump, and in two rapid jumps your corvette is accelerating towards your hive.New research options>Skyl dissection>Skyl data cube
>>33555271medium, long, hard?wait my brain went sexy places there oopsmust construct Skyl Cube Interface Device, right?
>>33555177What would it take to make a flying science lab?
>>33555271>Skyl dissectionMediumThe ancient bodies of the fallen Skyl have been extensively altered in a frighteningly invasive manner. A more detailed dissection should offer some insight into how these procedures were done and what kind of technology was used.>Skyl data cubesSlowThe two clear cubes were somehow used by the ancient Skyl as data storage devices. While looking into the cube offers glimpses of images from events long ago, a more detailed study should offer a more reliable method of gathering the data within.Next day.
We should create those hacker drones and try to sneak them into the human ships.
>>335553763914N 4113M>Current construction20 Algae farms>Research finishedQuantum calculations>Available research optionshttp://pastebin.com/feFS5APt
>>33555447>Mimetic skinHa, you noticed you misspelled it 'Memetic' last week, spoilering the Ceph's ritual use of doge imitations
>>33555376>Skyl DissectionThis sounds like fun.Can we talk with our guests at the Angel, and ask about Unity?
>>33555447>Mimetic skin>Skyl dissection>Linear Particle Beams
>>33555447replenish losses and double warrior and shock troopers. hatch 20 thinkers
>>33555447>Mimetic skintiny stealthy chameleon camouflaged spy drones>Biomechanical Engineeringinterrogating the prisoners from a better perspective. Inside their brains>Skyl data cubesThis should unlock a ton of other techs.
>>33555447Fetch Lyle a sip of juice
>>33555493Of course, who would you like to talk to, and what about?
>>33555447>Linear Particle Beams>Biomechanical Engineering>>33555527Nothing. Please don't.
>>33555527Lyle. We should ask him about the Unity.Then we should interrogate Coil about his masters.
>>33555527Hey can we bug Lyle for a bit? I find his dialog the most interesting in this quest.
>>33555494This selection of research projects looks good. All useful.
>>33555419Quick question: why? Why not make more of the natural usb's then attach them to a small size drone and just have a thinker handle hacking things?
>>33555546No, no, and no.Quadruple no to Coil. He told you everything he knows, or could know. We are not going full heretic. You never go full heretic.
>>33555567I agree with this. We could ask Coil about Unity, or Lyle about that crazy Ceph religion, but there's certain topics that are dumb to talk about with certain people.
>>33555561I was thinking the hacker drone which i wrote in the proposed in the other thread. If we could get it to work it could connect to any cable and read/change the data going through it.Name: Spyfly (or something)Olfactory: Advanced (2N)Acoustic: Advanced (2N)Radio: Advanced (6N 3M)Elcetrical Sensitivity: Advanced (3N 2M)Psionic: Basic (0N)Mandible: Special (?) (I would like a mandible which is able to bite into wires and and read and hopefully change the electrical signal in them)Arm: Dexterity (1N)Legs: Endurance (1N)Wings: Advanced (4N)Chassis: Standard (0N)Self destruction: Acid (1N)Oxygen recycler: (?)Cloaking field: (?) Size: Small (4cm) (20N*0.25=5 5M*0.25=1.25M)Purpose: For spying and hacking purposes.
>>33555447>Mimetic skin>Skyl dissectionand with less support between the two>Linear particle beams>Biomechanical engineering>Both
>>33555616>bothlotsa Thinkers. that's enough for 12 each if even. more, if les for mimetic skin.
>>33555587Sounds good, perhaps a moderate psionic relay would work better in the long haul though.
>>33555616Third choice:Skyl data cube
>>33555616>Linear particle beamsI love Biomech, but let's finish off the ship-relevant research. Dem spinal mounts.
>>33555647Oh man you're 20minutes late anon I was the only one who voted for that where were you.
>>33555376do these, since they are all pretty fast.>Linear Particle BeamsMediumBased on the Cyclotron, the linear particle beam is simply the previous design laid out into a single, long line. The longer the particle projector is the more powerful the weapon becomes, however because of the nature of the speed of light, lengthening the projector gains diminishing returns. It is most effective as a fixed mounted weapon of a ship, but powerful enough particle beams can be made to cut through an atmosphere, serving as a relatively effective anti-orbital weapon against ships in low orbit.>Lyle’s Combat armorMediumNot as powerful or complex as the drop suit, the combat armor appears to be a delicate mix of survivability and combat capabilities, with many similarities to the Union environmental suit. It appears to contain a number of devices designed to be useful in the field.>Bioweapon ResearchMedium/ Very dangerousExperimentation and testing with new artificial strains of spores, as well as other engineered toxins would make it possible to produce tailor-made bioweapons that would be quick to spread and difficult to cure.>Mimetic skinFastDissection of the discarded limbs from the injuries Coil suffered during your raid should offer a deeper understanding of Ceph language, and natural camouflage capabilities.>Magnetic LevitationMediumThe small human buggy uses a series of superconducting magnets to glide along a planet’s surface a short distance from the ground. Apparently based off of Ceph technology, this device grants a great advantage to mobility.>Skyl dissectionMediumThe ancient bodies of the fallen Skyl have been extensively altered in a frighteningly invasive manner. A more detailed dissection should offer some insight into how these procedures were done and what kind of technology was used.
>>33555689welp shit, it seems that i was late.(made breakfast)
>>33555616>BothYour thinkers leap to the task.New adaptation unlocked>Quantum brain - This complex collection of entangled particles permits the drone to perform rapid, intuitive calculations without consciously processing a problem, granting the drone an intuition capable of performing uncanny predictions or seemingly lucky guesses using data that is not inherently quantifiable. (4N)
>>33555689>since they are all pretty fast.>>>Bioweapon ResearchMan, while true, you probbbably don't want to do that one until you have a dedicated, isolated lab to research it in in case of outbreak.
>>33555689I'm interested in Lyle's Combat armor because I'm pretty sure it has a melee upgrade for us. Possibly general arm upgrade, I could see the exotic heat blade loop thingy he used way back being useful as a tool as well.I'd rather do bioweapons when we have more of a singular focus though; the longer we research it for, the longer something can go wrong.
>>33555645Can we even have moderate psionic relay in small drones? And it is REALLY expensive. If it is allowed maybe we could have small creatures for the sole purpose of relaying the information of hackers and scouts.So we can create 50 hackers and 10 relays and have them board and control an enemy ship.
>>33555723well, lets just give that to everyone. Also, I realize we control the queen, but would it be possible to equip her with that adaptation?
>>33555726Yeah, whatever happened to that bunker lab we planned on building?
>>33555723>New adaptation unlocked>>Quantum brain - This complex collection of entangled particles permits the drone to perform rapid, intuitive calculations without consciously processing a problem, granting the drone an intuition capable of performing uncanny predictions or seemingly lucky guesses using data that is not inherently quantifiable. (4N)is this only for thinkers?I can see this being used with our warriors as well to give a nice bonus to combat, or our sniffers.
>>33555742Not really, it's an artificial way of making a computer that can think in an abstract manner, which you can already do. It's actually less efficient at standard calculations than a normal computer, which is why it adds to the thinker instead of replacing it.
>>33555645>>33555739You need large drones for the relay i believe,
>>33555742>everyonewhat. no. that's only needed for things that must perform hard problems without supervision. Only for a select few Quantum Thinkers.>>33555752Everyone kept forgetting to suggest it at 'new construction options?' prompts.
>>33555753It's in the drone builder doc under "utility" so ithink it can be put on anything.
>>33555764But the relay is the Advanced one, We are talking about the Moderate one which our queen have.
>>33555767>what. no. that's only needed for things that must perform hard problems without supervision. Only for a select few Quantum Thinkers.What? All our thinkers do hard problems without our supervision. That is the whole deal with Thinkers!
>>33555753You can put it on anything, but thinkers would get the biggest boost. Any drone that has it will be able to function to a slightly greater degree when alone, and will be able to respond to changing situations without your input, resulting in a minor bonus to their actions.
>>33555808would the bonus be bigger on the shock troopers?(they give a bonus to other warriors so why not have the bonus be bigger)
>>33555808Right. New course for Corvette!OM-759.
>>33555831Did you mean to ask, 'would the bonus stack with the other bonus?'
>>33555847yeah, i'm a bit sleep deprived, but i'm also hoping for a third thread.
>>33555855>>33555847*also to see if the added brain power multiplies the bonus or just stacks on top of it.
>>33555831The bonus would stack for the shock troop, but the warriors would only get the bonus from the shock troop's enhanced senses, not its quantum brain. The shock troop buffs nearby drones, while the quantum brain only buffs the equipped drone.>>33555855>Third threadI would die. But I would die happy.
>>33555808If that's the case then I'd suggests cycling out all of the old drones with new better thinking drones. Except the thinkers because they too adorable to hurt, but do apply it to any new thinkers we build.
>>33555911No. God no. That's a total waste.Just lay 12 Quantum Thinkers and be done with it.
I imagine that "thinking" bonuses would stack on top of "sensory suite" bonuses.
>>33555907>I would die. But I would die happy.Do, what i'm doing and make some coffee.I would suggest making shock troops/thinkers with these new brains( replace current shock troops and give them the brains, and lay 12 more thinkers)
>>33555911>>33555918I 100% believe the best course of action is to replace every thinker with ones with Quantum Brain. It is obviously an upgrade.
>>33555911Definitely not worth it. On all new Thinkers, yes. On keystone units like the shock troops, yes. Not on average troops.
>>33555953We aren't killing any existing Thinkers. We still need autistic numbercrunching regardless. And unlike other drones, they have memories.
>>33555973they would happily die for their mother.
>>33555985Obviously. But I meant more that their memories make them valuable, than any weird human sense of morality.
>>33555953Yup, i agree.
>>33555907We've been recycling are dead right?
>>33555985Yeah but it's not like they're any less capable. They can be phased into handling infrastructure/running shuttles. Grunt work.
>>33555973The Quantum Thinkers still do autistic numbercrunching anon. They are just better at it. And we all have the same memories. There is no individual aside from the queen.
>>33555953Or we can just lay new Thinkers and add to the pool. The existing amount are fine.
>>33555996yup, heel our first wave of workers+warriors were recycled, for their upgraded brethren.
One thing to note is that Quantum Thinkers are still pretty cheap. 10N.I also think we should invest in a much larger work force and seriously move to claim this planet.
>>33556002or we can lay 60 upgraded thinkers, and then recycle the old 54, when the new batch hatches.
>>33555998That's just plain wrong.The ordinary drones have no long-term memory at all.The Queen does not know the exact same data that her Thinkers know, the same way that *you* don't know everything your computer knows down to the little 0s and 1s on the hard disk.The first thinker, that piloted the Pod, knew the direction the Pod came from (spinward), and the Queen did not, until we asked him.
>>33556020They have no useful memories. I say recycle them all. Maybe there is a way to keep their memories? Partial recycling?
>>33555996When possible. The workers that died from heatstroke, for example, were damaged too much to be effectively recyclable.
>>33556020We could always ask the thinkers to part thier knowledge to their younger siblings, before being recycled.
>>33556020Anon. Unless QD says we will lose anything of value from recycling them I say recycle them. In fact, i'd like a ruling on this QD >>33555907
>>33556020I imagine they could probably share what they know with one another. I don't think they have cognitive understanding beyond "Fact Happened, Queen!" anyway.Not that I'm particularly in favor of recycling them.
>>33556059Yeah neither am I.I'm just taking exception to the claim that "there is no individual" and "we all have the same memories", both of which are false.They're non-sapient, but they're individuals.
>>33556056Little of both. Thinkers have individual memories due to their enhanced brain power, but for the most part they share their memories and experiences, so no information or knowledge would be lost from the death of a thinker.
>>33555907I figured every one would want to die happy.So come one Quest drone, Die happy.
>>33556089Well I have my answer. Thanks QD
>>33556014I agree. I also think we should build the space shuttle/science lab hybrid. We could use it to study dangerous things like atomics away from are planet so there is no risk to the hive or the environment to research it. We could also research things on other Planets without having to transport it.
Aright, lets compromise:Lets recycle every thinker EXCEPT for the first one. We will keep this one as an archiver.
>>33556089anyway.I'd be interested in hearing from Theseus if he ever interacts with the Ceph or the Valen.And conversely, from Coil, if he's heard of Unity much from his people, versus what he hears about them via piloting around Lyle.And why wasn't he allowed to leave the ship anyway? Who told him that--Lyle, or his Ceph superiors? To keep him secret, or safe?
>>33556144the funny thing is, that thinker is our brother.
>>33556144Let's just keep all are drones and only recycle when needed.
>>33556144There are a number of Thinker tasks that don't require inventiveness or creativity for which quantum brain would be a waste anyway-- like Thinkers in charge of running Infrastructure and keeping the plumbing working.So you want quite a few of those autistic ones, at least one for each future colony.Which better be a lot.
>>33556183they help with the menial task as well.
>>33556181Yeah we're just building more farms, we aren't starved for upkeep of some Thinkers.
>>33555723>Lay new drones (what kind and how many)>Recycle and replace drones (which and how many)
>>33556198And you get *zero benefit* from the quantum brain while still paying for it, making it wasteful.If you want to recycle, you obviously care about wasted upkeep, otherwise there's no reason to eat them.
>>33556204Lay 60 Workers with radiator tubes.Lay 12 Quantum Thinkers.Is there diminishing returns for how many Quantum brained Thinkers are on a single research project? How much better is 12 quantum brains versus 3 quantum, 9 autistic?
>>33556204>>Lay new drones (2 shock troopers with brains,lay 11 more thinkers,15 warroris,12 wasp, and another corvette)>>Recycle and replace drones (all the thinkers except our brother, and the 3 shock troopers and give them brains)
>>33556204>Lay new drones (52 Quantum Thinkers)>Recycle and replace drones (48 Thinkers, with 48 Quantum Thinkers, we leave our original thinker)>>33556183Fucking hell, its like you haven't read the adaptation. If anything the quantum brain is like an increase in their autismal abilities. Unless QD is keeping it to himself, a quantum brain is a clear upgrade. It is better than the normal one, and allows them to do all their old tasks even better.
>>3355620415 improved thinkersRecycle none. We don't need to.
>>33556218It would scale about the same as normal thinkers.
>>33556227There *is* no way to do something as dead simple as plumbing better. They are maximized, and abstract thought is a wasted extra.Making the pipes approximate sentience isn't really making them more pipey.
>>33556204What he said >>33556230
>>33556236>Quantum brain - This complex collection of entangled particles permits the drone to perform rapid, intuitive calculations without consciously processing a problem, granting the drone an intuition capable of performing uncanny predictions or seemingly lucky guesses using data that is not inherently quantifiable. (4N)>permits the drone to perform rapid, intuitive calculations without consciously processing a problem.Aaaaaaand bam. The most efficient way to do plumbing is calculated faster. In fact, so fast the thinker didn't even have to really think about it.
>>33556204>Recycle and replace drones (which and how many)the thinkers except the original, and the shock troops.>Lay new drones (what kind and how many)21 more thinkers, and 40 heat workers.Also might want to do underwater warriors/explorers for the ocean of our planet, but we would need to discuss this.
>>33556153Considering what happened with that other void shard, and what Coil said of his orders, his job is to self-destruct the void shards if things get hairy. Whether he's on the ship or not, I imagine. He's willing to martyr himself for his religion.
>>33556204>>Lay new drones (what kind and how many)20 upgraded Thinkers40 Heat workersno recycling, we're rolling in Nutrients.
>>33556255of course the recycled guys get better brains.
>>33556227You're not really providing any reason for why the old Thinkers should be decommissioned. Qunatum Thinkers are better, yes. But are they more than 66% better? Because that's how much more they cost. I think laying only the upgraded version is fine, they are obviously an upgrade. However, the old Thinkers still pull their weight. it's not like our first workers who were poorly adapted.
>>33556293>it's not like our first workers who were poorly adapted.we killed them the chance we got the upgrades.
>>33556305That's why anon said the Thinkers are *unlike* them anon, please reread the greentext.You missed the word 'who'.
>>33556254The bottleneck in pipe pumping is not raw calculation speed. It's drudgework. Nothing is improved by this.
>>33556293You, I like you. You make sense.
>>33556204Just lay 2 more shock troopers with brains and recycle the other into brain shock troopers as well.
>>33556293I have absolutely no idea how much better they are anon. Neither do you. Because QD, rightfully, doesn't always give a clear idea of exactly how much better an upgrade is over its predecessor, because its better to not get bogged down in numbers. It seems to me we will likely continue to lay Quantum Thinkers from now on, so i'd rather recycle our normal thinks now, instead of when we have a couple hundred QT and these old T that we never recycled. And instead we wasted the potential time we could have saved researching if they had been QTs. Thank you for coming up with a valid point though.>>33556327You... I don't even know how to respond to that honestly. Arguing with you reminds me of arguing with an autistic classmate who couldn't get simple concepts because he was too hung up on details of overly specific scenarios. So I guess I'll just agree to disagree.
>>33556204>Recycle shock troops and replace with upgraded versions>15 improved thinkers>40 radiator workers>Other
>>33556454>wastedNothing would be wasted.
>>33556464Is this a Y/N vote?Y to the above
>>33556464make it 20 improved thinkers, and add 2 more troopers, and then you have my vote.
>>33556379Recycling the old Shock Troops DOES make sense, because the power density of warriors is relevant. You can only fit so many on a transport, so many in a tunnel. Higher quality has tangible ramifications that you can't necessarily substitute number for. Thinkers, however, have no range limitations; there's no limit to how many can "fit" into a problem.>>33556454I'll be more clear, our current Thinkers perform their jobs perfectly well for the amount of nutrients we give them. There is no compelling reason that we ever have to recycle them.
>>33556464>Recycle shock troops and replace with upgraded versions>15 improved thinkers>40 radiator workersI'd prefer more thinkers, but sure.>>33556466Potential is wasted anon. Right now we are making 15 Improved Thinkers. If instead all 49 of our current thinkers were turned into improved thinkers we would have a significant increase in potential research speed.
>>33556454The whole conversation was about how quantum thinkers are overkill for a few minor tasks, man. of course those are the scenarios and details being focused on.
So i think we should start preparing on exploring the ocean(i still think we should study the bioweapon first, so that the drones are completely immune to the ocean.)>>33556464What are the construction options for the clark and the asteroid?
>>33556502The only limit on the number of Thinkers we have is nutrients, and the old ones are cheaper anyway. We don't have to get rid of the old Thinkers to make new ones. There is no Thinker cap we have to stay under.
>>33556509Theseus is still repairing all its systems, I'm sure we have to wait on him getting the sensors online and everything in shipshape.>>33556502Or you can lay 48 Quantum Thinkers and not recycle.
>>33556533We are not gonna use the ship, it was supposed to be a second lab, so i figured we continue to add upgrades to it, i also forgot if we camouflaged the outside with plants.
>>33556464This looks good with >>33556486 changes because why not.
>>33556464>Recycle shock troops and replace 5 upgraded versions>20 improved thinkers>40 radiator workersWould you like to start construction or design of new ships?
>>33556464I vote more thinkers, otherwise good
>>33556464>Recycle shock troops and replace with upgraded versions >2 improved Shock trooper>55 improved thinkers>60 radiator workers>1 science Corvette
>>33556607Y to that greentext stuff.No new ships at this time.
>>33556607That looks good to me. I'd like to see these new thinkers in action before committing to huge numbers of them anyway.A ship or ship module with lab equipment on it would be good for exploration. Our thinkers can operate from home anyway. They just need the facilities to carry out their work.
>>33556654That sounds almost like an orbital base type thing, which QD said we'd eventually have orbital infrastructure like that, I think.
>>33556607Can we see construction options.Also make a frigate.FrigateCost: 800N 1600MSize: 150 MetersSpinal Mounts: 1Turret: 6Fixed: 8Auxiliary: 4The Frigate is a general purpose warship capable of holding its own in most combat situations. It is fast and maneuverable while capable of a decent amount of firepower, making it excellent at both assault and patrol duties. I don't know how to build ships though.
>>33556674I wasn't thinking anything huge. Heck, even just a dissection lab would be nice. We could abduct natives and probe them what good.
>>33556607>YDamn, I go to bed last night, get back up and QD is still going. You rock QD!
>>33556692Oh god, will we become abduct and probe aliens?Fine by me
>>33556674Indeed, although it seems that using your new mining base would let you build those things at a much cheaper cost, as the "station" is already built, you just need to carve out enough space for what you want to make.
>>33556607Yes and yes.Build a second stealth Corvette, but build a science lab into it. Or is that to small?
>>33556683http://pastebin.com/YTwGk8n1I'm not sure we have the Nutrient income to support a Frigate at the moment. Our latest batch of farms isn't quite online yet.
>>33556731I was talking about the numbers besides auxillary,Fixed, and turret.
>>33556749Those would be the number of weapon mounts that hull has. More mounts means that ship is better at using those weapons, but it's more expensive to fully equiped it.Larger ships, for example, can have multiple spinal mounts, such as the cruiser which has twoOr the battleship, which has 5Your corvettes have a large number of auxiliary mounts, which makes them much better at point defense than other ship types, while the frigate has a good mix, making it adequate in a fight no matter what it's up against.
>>33556710Take some coffee, QD.
>>33556749A cloaked fully armed Frigate comes out to 875N and 2325M. 500M is weapons, 75N and 225M is the cloak. That's with no armor, of course.Not really sure what numbers you're looking for.
>>33556830>A cloakedwhy cloaked?if my memory is right cloaking losses its value the larger the ship.
>>33556749Those are the number of weapon slots, if you read further up, you see Auxiliary, etc described.Honestly the first time I read that I thought it was even *more* crunchier than it actually is, and that you could allocate individual slots there, like, 4 of the auxiliary to plasma, and another 4 to the auto cannon...
>>33556848Nah, it only means that it can be cloaked for a shorter time. But it's still good, you can always hide and vent.
>>33556848Always cloaked. Cloaked is good.
>>33556848At the moment, we should stick to only cloaked ships due to being under Double Secret Probation.But yeah, for that reason we shouldn't make frigates at all yet. They require way too much heat venting compared to Corvettes and Pods, which is what we should stick to.They're also crazy expensive.The extra cost of the cloaking field for its size, 50% more than the corvette, is really the least of the problems, next to the fact that it can't stay cloaked as long, and it's twice as expensive.
>>33556710Okay then start construction of a advanced science lab, general storage, and a food storage.
That Docking Pylon sticking out of the mountainside....It's highly visible. The next wave of mercenaries are going to flip when they see that.
>>33556848Cloaks seem to still be somewhat worth it for Frigates near as I can tell. Cruisers, definitely not, but Frigates are on the edge I think.
>>33556932That's why we should reinforce the area with some anti-orbital weapon emplacements. Once they breach atmosphere, we nuke them.
>>33556932>implying there's gonna be a next waveCoil said last thread that sending more people will be more expensive than its worth, but I guess we should keep at least one cloaked ship in-system to defend against any interlopers, add some anti-orbital emplacements too.
>>33556951>It's cloaked.That's a funny joke anon.
>>33556821So lets say this would be a possible build.FrigateCost: 800N 1600MSpinal Mounts: 1 Railgun 150MTurret: 6 Cyclotron Particle Beam 150MFixed: 8 Plasma Lance 160MAuxiliary: 4 Auto Cannon 40M800N AND 2100Mplus both utilities.75N 215M600N 300m1475N, and 2615 M
>>33556959Well, we need to learn how to make nukes first.
>>33556964Do you think we could do that? or at least disguise it so it looks natural. Like a really big tree or something?
>>33556962No he didn't, read better.He said sending a team to help this team would not be worth it.But once he determines that this team is never coming back, the job will go to the next guy hungry for creds....Or the fact that the team is determined to be MIA will be passed along to the intelligence agency that put out the job in the first place, and then *they'll* send someone, now that things got interesting.
>>33556973Apologies, I mean "nuke" metaphorically. Linear accelerators would likely be the best option.
>>33556966Funny enough that is within our budget.
>>33556976Its still gonna draw attention, because its fuckhuge. >>33556985May as well invest in orbital defenses and ships then
>>33556607>Build another scout corvette>Build more Space pods (how many)>Build a frigate>NoneYour corvette is waiting in orbit over your hive, and is ready for a new mission.
>>33557000>Its still gonna draw attention, because its fuckhuge.They don't know shit about this planet, how would they know it isn't natural?
>>33557003>>NoneLets work on construction instead, plus the corvetts aren't made for combat.
>>33557003>>Build more Space pods (how many)Build 2.They can be persistent little spies to watch neighboring systems.Send the Corvette to OM-759.
>>33557009>They don't know shit about this planet, how would they know it isn't natural?Because they have terrain surveys from the crashlanders from before?And it's incredibly obvious that it's not natural, protruding out of the mountainside like that, and with dangly tool-y bits?Honestly the stealthiest idea would be to make a second base on the opposite side of the globe, in the temperate zone where the cloud cover is thickest, and build a Docking Pylon *there*, then demolish this one.
>>33557003>Build a frigate >>33556966>Build more Space pods (2)
>>33557003No new ships except cloaked Spy Pods with psionic relays pls
>>33557009Mostly because their scans would turn up a lot of metal in it. Suspicious as shit.
>>33557031We already are in the temperate zone where cloud cover is thickest anon.Also fuck, this thread has been running for more than 12 hours
>>33557031>>33557056Right, then we can cloak it. Research mimic skin faster!
Blink the new Spy Pods to watch human activity at Dagmar and Koenig?
>>33557051Psionic relays are expensive. I'm willing to trust these new Thinkers on autonomous scouting missions. Very cursory. If they turn up anything interesting, we can follow up with direct attention, but, to be honest, the manual searching is slowing things down a little.
>>33557062>on the opposite side of the globeYou missed the other important part of that sentence.The point is to be in a location they won't look (like this mountain that they know we live under) and can't easily scan from space.
>>33557063If the spire is 1 km tall, it would cost 500N and 1500M for a cloaking device.
>Build 2 podsAs usual you have the option of trusting a thinker with them or building a pair of advanced relays and commanding them yourself.>Quantum thinker>Advanced relays>>33556976It's somewhat like an organic Eiffel tower.
>>33557078Except then, in order to report anything, they have to Blink back, and every jump creates a big anomalous flash that humans notice.It's worth building an extra Farm for each relay, really. We don't need too many, just enough to watch nearby human space to see if any of them are coming our way.I guess the utility of that depends on if the human Gravity Drive requires intervening hops like that, or if they can warp her straight from Sol.
>>33557003Ship builds:1 Frigate2 space podsConstruction (space station):Advanced Science LabFood storageGeneral storage
>>33557101>500N and 1500MSo worth it.
>>33557102I trust the Thinkers! We can always follow up on their findings. Cloaked Thinkers in pods shouldn't have any trouble remaining undetected.
>>33557102>>Quantum thinker>>33557101Might be cheaper with the new research.plus its worth it.
>>33557102>>Advanced relaysTo Dagmar!I'll trust scouts on their own when things aren't as tense as they are this early.
>>33557119>>33557125It would be cheaper to build and keep around a Corvette for protecting it!
>>33557139the corvettes will go down like flies, and it seems less suspicious.
>>33557102Thinker, lay some new ones for them.
>>33557102>advanced relaysYour pylon is somewhat overkill for a pod, but the armos quickly get to work assembling the small, complex devices.Your corvette idles in orbit over your hive, drifting lazily by the Union satellite.>Keep it patrolling your system>Scout new location (where)
>>33557231the red-blue binary star system, OM-759. coreward-tailward of us.
>>33557231I really want to go look at that blue start outside the Frontier Expanse. We have a pod in the area, don't we?
>>33557250Sure why not.
>>33557318I'd rather not run into Unity yet.That opens up a big can of worms of voting whether or not to lie.As long as we stay to exploring the Expanse, we're less likely to bump into them.
>>33557231>OM-759>Unclassified O class star beyond expanse border
>>33557355>>OM-759Has Theseus not unlocked any new tech from the Clarke for us yet as we repaired it, like... human sensor arrays?
>>33557355>OM-759Your corvette charges its drive and with a flash of radiation vanishes into the depths of space, and then again as it enters the system in a burst of energy.You detect a small frozen ball of ice nearby, while further in is a single gas giant with a number of icy rings, bordered on either side by thin asteroid belts. The two stars are locked in an awkward dance, as the tiny light blue dwarf races around the supermassive red giant. Orbiting the gas giant is a pair a small planetoids, one of which holds a thin, but breathable atmosphere.>Survey the belts>Survey the planetoids>Move to a new system>Other
>>33557527>Survey the belts
>>33557527>Survey the planetoids
>finally able to reply!We got quantum thinkers now? Awesome!>>33557527Wait, didn't we get a vision that includes a binary star a few threads back?>Inspect planetoids
>>33557527>Survey the beltsMight as well check the belts out on our way in.
>>33557553No? No stars were involved in the 3 visions. Only a gas giant and a planet burning.
>>33557578Ahh, I see.Then I guess the burning planet was the graveyard of the Skyl.
>>33557527>Survey the belts>Survey the planetoids
>>33557572Yeah, cuz as soon as we inspect the breathable atmosphere one we're gonna get caught up in whatever.>>33557591Uh...no.No, I very much doubt that no-space includes portals into the distant past millennia ago.I mean, come on.>implying they've only ever obliterated one planet
>>33557527Oh man, QD. this is reminding me of the gas giant 3 planetoids selection.Please don't pause the action to vote on looking at things one at a time, since we're going to do all the things one after another anyway. It'd be easier to just vote on the order to check the planetoids all at once.
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>>33557527You investigate the asteroid belts as you move into the system. They are rather disappointing, although you do spot a few decent potential sources of metal, none of them are rich enough to justify the distance from your hive.Your ship moves in closer to the gas giant on its way to the next belt, and as you pass you run a quick scan on the two planetoids. One is a dead, frozen rock, but the other holds a thin atmosphere. You detect some geothermal activity, and the temperature is acceptable, if a little on the cold side. Some form of liquid can be detected flowing on the surface, although you're not sure if it's water or not.Farther in the system, the innermost belt seems much richer in resources, but nothing as lucky as your find in your home system. Interestingly, a dense cloud of stellar dust formed around the star seems to have some small level of nutrient value, although it isn't much.
>>33557690>nutrient value>nutrientAs in... life? In the stellar dust?Sounds, dare I say it, researchable.
>>33557703Space farm time, it could also be used to hide our shit in space.
>>33557690>One is a dead, frozen rockI wonder if we could turn that into a ship.
>>33557719i'm still up for the planet/asteroid nuke plan.
>>33557727That's not really a plan.You want to ram it into ships? How is that a nuke?
>>33557690After so many strange and interesting findings as of late, you are both surprised and a little disappointed to find that the system is, for the most part, rather boring. The stark lack of Union forces is uplifting however, though you are unsure if that is because they have yet to reach this system, or if they simply found it boring as well and ignored it.The small planetoid orbiting the gas giant shows some telltale signs of life, or the possibility of it at least, and the nutrient value of the stellar gas is at least somewhat interesting, although its nutrient value is negligible at best.>Take samples of the stellar gas>Investigate the planetoid further>Move to another system>Other
>>33557604Well, we don't even know the limitations of the slip-drive; it might even be able to pierce the veil of time itself.What say you, QD? Could the void shards allow visions into the past or future?
>>33557738i want it to hit planets/colonies/important shit.So its basically death from above.
>>33557741>Take samples of the stellar gas>Investigate the planetoid further>Move to another systemI vote all
>>33557741>Investigate the planetoid further
>>33557742Time travel is canonically impossible. I asked.
>>33557741>>Take samples of the stellar gasthen>>Investigate the planetoid furtherIn dis order yo.
>>33557741>>Take samples of the stellar gas>>Investigate the planetoid further
>>33557741>Take samples of the stellar gas>Investigate the planetoid furtherCan't think of a reason not to.
>>33557742Who knows?You can tell that the planet you saw being attacked when you looked into No Space was not the Skyl homeworld, though.
>>33557760Next stop: A-295 next door?
>>33557741>Take samples of the stellar gas>Investigate the planetoid further
>>33557780Might as well. Also, will we try and kidnap some of the local lifeforms from that newly-colonized planet of the humans?>approach from the other hemisphere>land, grab interesting critters, take off>integrate their biology unto ours>ASSIMILATE
Wonder how this stuff will work.It's probably not as straightforward and obvious as photosynthetic gaseous lifeforms.Maybe they're powered by solar wind, instead.
>>33557741Your corvette quickly gulps down some of the gas for later testing and returns to the gas giant. The small worldlet in question holds a thin, yet oxygen rich atmosphere, and is covered in strange lakes of dark blue film. Your ship descends down to the planet for a closer look, and you realize that the lakes are shallow pools of a liquid carbon mixture, although you're not sure what exactly it's made of.>Take a sample back to the hive>Leave it be for now
>>33557855>Take a sample back to the hive
>>33557855>Take a sample back to the hiveLet's do all of the science.
>>33557855>>Take a sample back to the hivewhat has science ever done wrong?
>>33557855>take sampleBe mindful of containment/quarantine procedures, we don't want a repeat of the ocean spore incident.
>>33557855One of these days, these common, everyday prompts where you know all the voters are going to vote for "do the thing" instead of "do nothing", so much so that you barely need to ask, is going to be a trap. But we'll be so used to the prompts we won't see it coming.But that day is not this day.
>>33557855>Take a sample back to the hivePlease roll 1d100, best of 3
>>33557855We need research ship.
Today is a good day for science.
>>33557917>>33557919>dat 99>dem 90s>>33557925>dat 4We're heading into Ogre Quest territory here folks. The Dice Gods have blessed us!
>>33557917Shit we had to roll.inb4 the lakes were literally one giant organism and it's mad. But we rolled a 99 so we tore a living piece off of it and got away anyway.
>>33557917>>33557919Today is good day.
>>33557906Your ship descends slowly on one of the pools. As the ship readies to pull in the substance you detect a pulse of energy from the shallow lake, and a massive web of carbon traces lines long the surface of the liquid. The lake quickly forms into a series of semi-solid shapes, and a jagged spire lunges upwards towards your ship's hull.You fire the lance, and in a split moment the entire lake is engulfed in white-hot flame. Your consumption beam manages to latch onto a small chunk of the material, burning it back into a liquid and sealing it away in your ship. You feel it fighting to escape, thumping against the walls of the storage tank as it rapidly expands and contracts, but it doesn't seem to be capable of breaking the container wall.With the new samples stored away, your ship ascends back into orbit, and plots a course back to your hive, leaving several acres of scorched glass behind where the carbon lake was a moment ago.Think we need to end things here, due to a mix of sleep deprivation and the local flood/thunderstorm warning making me fear a power outage. I'll stick around till we 404 to answer questions and take feedback as usual.
>>33557947We've been the dice's favored eromenos for a while now.Two crits at crucial junction points in the plot, and critfails only on things that were expendable and low-stakes.
>>33558021We have a liquid life form now? Oh baby! the possible ideas we could get from this.Still, QD, you are awesome for running back to back threads!
>>33558021>With the new samples stored away, your ship ascends back into orbit, and plots a course back to your hive, leaving several acres of scorched glass behind where the carbon lake was a moment ago.Beautiful.So casual about it. "Horrifying giant life form that probably ate one small human ship attacks hive, gets obliterated. must be Tuesday"
Rolled 22>>33557948Holy shit anon >>33557948
>>33558021WhoooahWe just nabbed ourselves some sort of living oilTime to research if it could be symbiotically linked!Also thanks QD for running, this is one of the few quests that's really captured my attention as of late.
>>33558059At least nobody called it shadowruns this time.
>>33558085>>33558056Thanks, guys. it's always a blast.
>>33558021Neat, I wonder if we can weaponize this little beastie?
The question is, why would it evolve such a massive overkill reaction?We haven't even seen any other lifeforms, just that the planetoid was covered in the bluepools.What prey would they normally even target?
>>33558059Funny thing, I was halfway done writing when I read that. Gave me a good laugh.
>>33558132I imagine we can use it like we do the berrybirds: just modify its attack reaction to target certain pheromones. Or, in this case, the lack of certain pheromones.A perfect innocuous blue floor. Drones pass right over it, covered in the hive's scent. But intruders walk on it--and they find themselves cocooned quite quickly. A neat little security system.
>>33558154Tell it true, QD, are you me from the future?How excite are you for Thursday/Friday on a scale of one to excite?
>>33558277Probably around an 8.3, although my work week is usually less regular than most.
You know, if Unity had this artificial-telepathy tech the Ceph and the Skyl were given. All our knowledge about tachyons, telepathy, and the void shards would suddenly become practical for them too.Worse thought though: telepathic 'jamming'. It's happened accidentally with interfering tachyon signals that have mildly messed with our connection to drones. But someday it could be weaponized and focused to cut us off in an area completely.Most likely by Them.
>>33558469Quantum tech could actually help solve that problem.
Hey, wait a minute.We can ask Theseus how he finances his contracts with Lyle.He can explain about the Valen bank Deep Song.And we ask how that works, once you get an FTLComm string to them.Or maybe Coil knows?Wondering if we need a password or something or if we can just swindle all Lyle's money. Not that we have a use for money, as long as we're this secretive.Yet.
>OM-759>short for OMNOMNOMNOM lake monsters
>>33558855>big>blue>ravenousI dub this species "Cookie Monster" for not particularly good or clever reasons.
Oh, ohhhhhh.duh.Canderon is named after 'candor'. as in visual 'brilliance'--which it is, in the form of those glowing white warp rings.