Black Jack is rocked backwards under the sheer force of the 90mm T54 main gun firing. The distance is too short and the velocity is too great for you to see the HVAP shell reaching out- from your periscope you only see a great cloud of flame and smoke and, as the smoke clears, a great cloud of smoke floating up from the rear of Erika's Tiger II.You are Commander Russells of the M26E1 Pershing Heavy Tank "Black Jack" and you immediately whoop with joy. "Direct hit! Gunner, confirm?" Rose still hasn't come back from her little world yet. "Confirmed, hit." She says. "Target is still active." You blink."What?" You ask, a bit confused- generally a hit from 'Jack is enough to put down anything. You put your eye on the periscope again and a tingling sensation of panic creeps down your spine- the Tiger II's turret is still rotating back around towards you, without a white flag in sight.>"Reload! AP!">Back around the corner- she's still immobilized.>Other.
>>33116278>>"Reload! AP!"JAM IT IN AGAIN
>>33116278>Back around the corner- she's still immobilized.Hit and fade.
>>33116278>Back around the corner- she's still immobilized.
>>33116278>Back around the corner- she's still immobilized.There is no way we can reload and fire before their turret is fixed on us
>>33116278>Back around the corner- she's still immobilized.Also, bullshit! 90mm HVAP from behind that close and it's still running?
>>33116278>Back around the corner- she's still immobilized.Also, what the fuck? Did we just fail to kill them with a shot up their ass from 30 yards? The same gun that blew clear through a jagdtiger and deep into a hillside from 100 yards?
>>33116278>"Reload! AP!"Also I call bullshit since GuP has any penetrating hit as a kill
>>33116521>>33116544>>33116594It has happened, see training battle. Presumably the shot hit but failed to hit anything important so the vehicle is still combat effective.Maybe.
>>33116521>>33116544Guess we hit shallow off part of the chasiss and just grased the engine
>>33116278>"Reload! AP!">Back around the corner- she's still immobilized.I Thought we ended this last thread! Damn you BJ!
>>33116645it was a 90mm HVAP shot in the ASS at 30m, that will smash a hole through the armor, and probably go through the entire tank whatever is behind it, or with magic bullshit lining deform structure and push the damn tank a couple meters.
Does degree refer to the slope of the armor? According to wikipedia a Tiger II has 80mm @ 60 degrees on the rear hull, and 80mm @ 70 degrees on the rear turret. Do we even know if we penetrated? If so that would surely count as a kill, if this were real the crew would've been torn to ribbons by shrapnel even if the tank remained technically operational.
>>33116734Ok. What's your rebuttal or point?
>>33116776As in they should be dead and its obvious given how knocking out tanks works in tankery and how much energy a 90mm HVAP is pushing at literally point blank.
>>33116875Again, that's very nice and pretty and I love some fireworks as much as the next guy but if the shot doesn't hit anything important and the tank is combat effective then bad luck.
>>33116747Penetration of 90mm HVAP at 1000 yards is 300mm at 30 degrees. We were at 30 yds
>>33116278>Back around the corner- she's still immobilized.Also, just finished this this morning, figured I'd share http://youtu.be/8j9dEXl3bvQ
>>33116954Except for 1 we hit it from behind which is where the drivetrain engine and exhaust are. Moreover the amount of energy being put out at point blank is more than enough for it to smash through the engine into the fighting compartment. In addition, the fact that any penetration in Tankery is a kill outside of an isolated incident involving main character shields (which are bullshit anyway). Therefore bullshit on this and bullshit on your "didn't hit anything important" malarkey
>>33116954With that much kinetic energy being transferred by the projectile, Any hit at all will utterly fuck the tank in some way or another."Not hitting anything important" is WoT "Track ate the shell" bollocks.
>>33117080>>33117116I'm just giving a possible explanation that fits the information we have. I don't really have any other idea why that Tiger 2 is still moving other than maybe we loaded HE by accident or something. I suppose Erika could be cheating but that seems unlikely.
>>33117187>a possible explanationAnd we're saying it's Impossible.So we're going to need a new explanation.
>>33116278>"Reload! AP!"give no fucks and fire again
>>33117187I was going to ask about cheating, and whether it was possible. It seems pretty out of character for Kuro and for someone like Erika who believes in their own inherent superiority. Also, I think the explosion and black smoke indicates that we hit the engine. I don't see how a tank is "combat effective" when its engine is destroyed, could you even rotate the turret without a battery set-up like we've got? Is that what a Tiger II has?
>>33117284All Tigers had manual geared cranks for their turrets.So an engine going offline won't completely remove the ability to traverse, just making it *really* slow.
>>33117191Eerie, I just watched that episode last night.
>>33117331given that the hydralic took a while to turn 180 we probably have 40+ seconds to kill it with hand crank, easily more.owered turret traverse was provided by the variable speed Boehringer-Sturm L4S hydraulic motor which was driven from the main engine by a secondary drive shaft. A high and a low speed setting was available to the gunner via a lever on his right. The turret could be rotated 360 degrees in 60 seconds in low gear independent of engine rpm, in 19 seconds in high gear at idle engine speed, and within 10 seconds at the maximum allowable engine speed. The direction and speed of traverse was controlled by the gunner through pedals, or a control lever near his left arm. The system was smooth and accurate enough to be used for final gun laying without the gunner needing to use his traverse hand wheel for fine adjustments — which was needed by most other tanks of the period. If power was lost, the turret could be slowly traversed by hand, assisted by the loader who had an additional wheel
>>33117331As in, manual hand-cranks; geared down to all fuck so that madly pumping a small hand-wheel would move the huge multi-ton turret.Go read the Tigers in the Mud comic for a practical example.
>>33116278>"Reload! AP!"dead engine+ no hydralics= we have forever to lay into them
>>33117331>>33117388Well, I still stand by my vote of backing around the corner. Perhaps if we'd had more a clue as to where we hit the Tiger or the speed at which its turret is traversing we could have tried to reload and fire again, but we don't.
>>33117465Yeah, but a dead engine should mean a white flag.
>>33117489No, it just means a Mobility Kill. The tank can still fight, it's just fucked.
>>33117489any hit from us at 30yds should make it dead but Black Jack is milking it for drama, just hit it again
>>33117518forgot vote>>33116278>"Reload! AP!"
>>33117489>>33117465This.Also it would be MUCH more fun to show a tiger what its like to be stalked like wounded prey
>>33117518Except that's not how GuP's tankery rules work from what we see in the manga and show. Mobility kill = white flag, with the exception of track separation for some reason.Honestly I'm not one to argue with QMs pointlessly but I'm curious how it's even possible this isn't over.
not a vote, but an amusing dick move.They're hand cranking their turret, ours is motorized, that means its time for Turret Fencing!
>>33117593It's only gay if the barrels touch
>>33116278>"Reload! AP!"Kill the cheating cunt
>>33117632We use Viking Rules:its only gay if you're on the bottom.Foward, Richard! Mount the Tiger!
>>33117678And a pic is taken of BlackJack climbing up on the back of that Tiger. Use it to forever prove the point Who's on top!
>>Back around the corner- she's still immobilized.Something's fishy, let's get our bearings. I have a feeling we may panic and I don't want Roy to fumble this up under pressure.
>>33117584But you're wrong. In the practice match, Miho's tank takes a shell to the rear, likely fucking up the engine and gearbox, no white flag.In the Gloriana match the Pz. 38(t) has the track completely fall off, still no flag.In the Pravda match, the StuG has the track and the rear idler wheel blown off. No flag.At the end of the Pravda match, the I-Go has basically it's entire suspension taken off by a 122mm shell. Surprise, surprise, no flag.Final battle, Erika's Tiger II throws a track and takes off a road wheel. Still no flag.And that's just the ones I can come up with off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more.I'd say it's pretty clear that MKs do not count as a white flag
Calling bs.Under normal GuP rules, that's a kill shot.There's no way we didn't pen.
>>33117882Agreed. Look at what happened to Leopon in the last episode. That tank was a wreck (mobility wise) and they still had to blast it to hell to white-flag it.
>>33117882The Practice match was weird all-round; not sure if we should count it.The rest were all tracking/wheels.
>>33117926this is all MC character shields though, and Erika throwing a track was not enemy inflicted
You calm yourself slightly- the Tiger II's not alive, just not quite dead- the turret is moving in a slow, jerking motion that betrays the fact that its engine is out- they're actually cranking the turret by hand! "Roy, load AP. We're finishing this." You're actually a bit pissed that the one shot you made didn't instantly knock her out."How is it even alive?" Patrick says- just as incredulous as you. "90mm HVAP skewered jadgpanzers from front to rear!" You shake your head- you don't have a good answer- maybe the round shattered on the engine block, or got deflected down out of the bottom of the tank. There's more important questions than "Why"."AP Up!" Roy calls. You stare at the Tiger II, still desperately attempting to bring its gun to bear- it wouldn't even come close. "Finish it, Rose." She doesn't say a word, just depresses the trigger, sending a heavier armor piercing shell into the rear of the Tiger II.>Confirm kill, congratulate Erika.>Pull around and drive past them.>Other.
>>33118072>>OtherPull back around the corner and then dismount to check on foot. No sense in not being careful.
>>33118105Agreed with him.
>>33118072>Confirm kill, congratulate Erika.See if she's up for a date with Patrick.
So does >Confirm kill, congratulate Erika. Mean we get to cover, make sure they're down, and then congratulate her? If so then >Confirm kill, congratulate Erika.
>>33118072>Confirm kill, congratulate Erika.
>>33118072>Other-Load Another AP Round>Confirm kill, congratulate Erika.No chances. we will not have a repeat of Duck vs St. Teaaboo.We shall have tank stomping victory.
>>33118072>Confirm kill, congratulate Erika.worst comes to worst we plant another AP in the turret
>>Confirm kill, congratulate Erika.We can't buck our trend of "kill em with kindness".Smirk and praise their doggedness in hand cranking to try and kill us?We are American, let the charisma flow.
>>33118072>OtherSuper Annihilation Battle rules!To arms! Prepare to board!I kid, serious vote's in the e-mail field.
>>33118072>Confirm kill, congratulate Erika.>Other.Get a pic of the kill. Have it painted on the side of BlackJack as a kill mark.
>>33118072>otherPop open their hatch, drop grenade.And by grenade, we have Patrick drop a deuce through their hatch
>>33118297Super Elimination Battle?
>>33118105Might as well. Never count them chickens, etc etc...
>>33118072>Confirm kill, congratulate Erika.Also bring an extinguisher for the smouldering oil fire that was their engine goddamn
>>33118072>Confirm kill, congratulate Erika.Russels is bot a gentleman and a scholar
I'mma just leave this here.
did the thread suddenly die?
>>33119193Oh hush, it hasn't even been a full hour yet.
I know I get like Pic Related when a quest thread goes quiet for 30 minutes.
You should've let it drop off the board to teach him a lesson.
>>33118105Lets be cautious, something strange may be afoot.
>>33119369I've only been paying attention lately because I want to see if that bitch Erika gets served some roast crow with crow cake, crow pudding, and crow tea.After that I'll go back to only reading the occasional OP post, secure in the knowledge that I'm still getting 40% of the content.
"Alright, pull back around the corner, Richard." You're pretty sure that the Tiger is finished now- no chances this time, though. You straight the turret out as he reverses back into the alleyway you'd emerged from. As Black Jack returns to the safety of the alley, you unbutton the commander's hatch before turning leaning down to remove Black Jack's fire extinguisher."Where are you going?" Roy says as you begin climbing out of the turret."Just going to go be magnanimous and stuff." You say with a wry smile. "Richard, keep the engine running."As you peek back around the corner you finally see the the Tiger II has indeed finally given up- a small white flag having appeared from a hatch on its turret. You calmly, but quickly walk up towards it, pulling the ring on the fire extinguisher and pointing the nozzle at the still-smouldering oil fire.As you let loose with the Flame-Retardant foam the Tiger's Commander's hatch pops open. "What are you doing?!">"Saving your tank.">"Your crew okay?">"Good fight!">Other.
>>33119848>"Your crew okay?"We nice friendly round-eye.
>>33119848>"Good fight!"then>"Your crew okay?"
>>33119848>>Other.>"Would you prefer that I pee on it instead?"
>>33119848>"Your crew okay?">"Good fight!"
>>33119848>"Your crew okay?">"Good fight!">OtherEntertain thoughts of hosing her with a burst from the extinguisher. Because it seems that she's still being a hot head.
>>33119848>"Good fight!"gg no re
>>33119919ahaha, that'd be mean, though...
>>33119958Hence why I worded it into "Entertain thoughts" and not suggest outright pursuing said action because it's still pretty crass.
>>33119848>Other. "u got fukn rekd" actually say this >>33119909
Can we use bits from Erika's Tiger II to make ourselves into a Super Pershing?
>>33119868I'ma second this option.
>>33119909yes, this is good
>>33120050Even if we could, which we probably can't, we shouldn't, because the SP's cons far outweigh the pros.
>>33119848>"Saving your tank.">"Your crew okay?">"Good fight!"all the above
What's the point in having dialogue options when people pick all of them.
>>33120182He gets to go jack off for an hour.
I don't remember, do the rounds shatter or not in this? I know in mine they do and it's all simulated.
>>33120147I know, it was a joke. The real SPershing used bits from a Jagdpanther (IIRC) and boiler plate...Still would be hilarious though, us running at the tank, an acetylene torch rolling behind us...'DIBS ON THE GLACIS!'
>>33120187>for an hourThat's actually pretty painful
>>33120182Well normally the dialogue options would be polarizing enough that they would make a difference. In this particular case "Saving your tank" is the smartass option, "crew ok?" is roughly neutral and "good fight!" is positive.
>>33120194Not if you use lube.
>>33120188I'm pretty sure its the same as in yours.
>>33120194Jack it 'till it's black
>>33120216Ironically, the "Saving your tank" dialogue option actually acknowledges Erika's question.Unless, the option of "Your crew okay?" tacks in an extra "I'm making sure your crew is okay," the other options beside #1 seem rather dismissive of Erika's line of questioning.To demonstrate...>"What are you doing?!>"Saving your tank.">"What are you doing?!">"Your crew okay?">"What are you doing?!">"Good fight!"
>>33119848>"Saving your tank."
"Saving your tank." You say, putting another blast into the smokey remains of the Tiger's rear armor plate- now that the smoke had mostly stopped bellowing from every hole and vent in its engine compartment you can see the damage Black Jack had inflicted- first a smallish whole that had probably been the HVAP round- it had hit low on the plate. Slightly higher you can see the kill shot. The APCBC round had shoved through the plate with all the delicacy of a wrecking ball before exploding inside the compartment.Erika just stares at you, and you can practically feel the radiated anger. "You fought well." You comment politely as you empty the rest of the canister for good measure before tossing it aside. "I don't think I've ever seen a tank take a shot from the T54 and not immediately be knocked out...""You..." Erika says. "You shouldn't have won! It wasn't possible!" She sputters. "You cheated... You knew where I was! You had someone directing you.">Let her fume.>Explain.>Other.
>>33120471>>Let her fume.Allow her to flip her shit. It is completely unbecoming, and will add to her humiliation.
>>33120471>>Other."Watch your goddamn mouth or I will turn this extinguisher on you. I bushwacked you fair and square. These steel treads are loud as shit on hard ground."
>>33120471>Let her fume.then>Other.tell her she gets cute when she get angry JUST to throw her off.then>Explain.
>>33120471>Explainto her that she's a moron.
>>33120471>Let her fume."Whatever you say, cupcake."
>>33120471>Let her fume.>Explain."Two words, babe: 'steel treads'"
>>33120471>>You had someone directing you.>Other. "(Yeah. Her name is Erika Itsumi.")>Let her fume.Also, you ignored the majority votes, beej.
>>33120471>Other. "(Yeah. Her name is Erika Itsumi, and her loud ass tank.")>Let her fume.
>>33120471>Let her fume>shit-eating grin
>>33120471>>Explain.We have more experience fighting duels, but all we really had to do was wait for your extremely loud tank to come into range, its quite easy when there is only one enemy to focus all your efforts on.
>>33120471>>Other"You mad, bro?"
>>33120471>Let her fume.And once she runs out of breath>Explain.
>>33120471>induce Erika to hatesex on her own cooling tankits inevitable, like gravity.
>>33120234Well in mine it just fragments upon contact with the armour and any damage is simulated. Like the radio shutting off theone time the turret took a glancing blow to the side.
You shrug. Well, if she's going to be like that.You turn and start heading back for your tank- You aren't surprised, really. Some people just can't take a loss; they start cursing and gnashing and accusing people of cheating- a loss is never their fault and there's not a thing you can do to convince them otherwise. You could tell her why she lost- but she'd never listen and never believe it. So it's best to just let them fume and rage- you'd already done your more than your part by congratulating her on commanding her tank as well as she did. YOu turn the corner and see Patrick with the assistant driver's hatch open. "So, how'd that go?">"Let's just go.">"Not well- let her cool down for a while.">Other.
>>33120525THIS. OH PLEASE TELL HER THIS. +1
>>33120987>"Let's just go."
>>33120987>"Not well- let her cool down for a while."
>>33120996Too late, Anon. BlackJack has spoken
>>33120987>"Not well- let her cool down for a while."Pst
>>33120987>>"Let's just go."Dude, blackjack. That must have taken 5 minutes to type. Not fourty something. This quest is ridiculous.
>>33120987"Not well- let her cool down for a while."
>>33121085Welcome to the quest. Enjoy your stay.
>>33120987>>"Let's just go."We tried.
>>33120987>"Not well- let her cool down for a while.">>33121085Let the writefag take as long as he wants.
>>33121103That was just a moronic extreme. He normally gives us more than that pathetic post. Shit.
>>33120987>>"Not well- let her cool down for a while."
>>33120987>>"Not well- let her cool down for a while."Spray her with a hose, of water or fire retardant foam.
"I think we might've put her in a bad mood." You comment as you climb back onto the tank. "I think it might be best to just let her get it out of her system." You check your watch- the entire fight had only taken about an hour and a half. You'd actually expected it to take quite a bit longer, with a Rattenkrieg through the city as you each attempted to stalk and outmaneuver the other.Fortunately Erika had been much more aggressive than you'd expected- you'd actually be back in time for a late lunch at this rate! You drop down into the commander's hatch before banging on top of the turret. "Alright, Richard- take us home." You say with a grin. "Great job, guys- I think we've proven our point."Its another half an hour before you pull into the staging point, everyone with a hatch riding unbuttoned as you pass the cheering crowd. You look over at Roy, on the other ride of the turret. "Damn- I don't remember getting a welcome like this back in the states..." He says with a grin, waving at the crowd.>Find Miho. Get hugs.>Find Judges. Get awards.>Find Maho. Look her in the eyes.>Other.
>>33121596>>Find Miho. Get hugs.>>Find Judges. Get awards.>>Find Maho. Look her in the eyes.In that order.
>>33121596>Other.Find liquor. Get smashed.
>>33121596>Find Miho. Get hugs.That habit of Miho frequently unbuttoning is rubbing on Russells, which sealed his team's victory. She deserves the hug for that.Everything else can still be done, but takes a backseat as far as I'm concerned.
>>33121663>Miho frequently unbuttoning and rubbing on RussellsLewd
>>33121644The Erika of disapproval looks in your direction.
>>33121663>>33121738?text basically says 'Load it into Nishizumi-dono' and heavy breathing SFX.
>>33121914Yukari has the right idea, but her choice toy is rather... disproportioned.
>>33122023By that look on her face, she isn't all there at the moment.
>>33122023>>33122050she's besides herself with lust.Or blown out of her mind on cordite fumes or something.
>>33122023Bah.The Nishizumi style involves training extensively on all German shells, including the 128mm but most commonly the 88.A little 75mm is easy business for a Nishizumi.
>>33122102With the Sturmtiger's 380mm shell as ultimate challenge, I assume?
>>33122152Only Shiho can handle it.
>>33122152Why do you think everyone calls Shiho a massive cunt?
>>33122152Technically, it's a naval rocket.
>>33122260True, true, it was just the widest SPW projectile that came to mind.Now that I think on it, IIRC, the "Karl-Gerat" had even bigger shells.
>>33122301800mm was the biggest IIRC.
Oh god what have I done...I'm still laughing my ass off, though.
>>33122317Secret Nishizumi Technique: Dislocating hips like a snake's jaws to take large loads.
As Richard coasts Black Jack to a stop in front of the temporary hanger that was Oorai's foreward base, so to speak. Miho and most of the rest of Oorai's tank team are already waiting. You practically hop out of the hatch, pushing yourself up and out before sliding down the side of the turret. Practically the moment your feet touch the ground, Miho is already on you- grappling you for a huge hug. You give her your best wry, American grin. "Make it look easy enough?" You ask, returning her hug in kind. She doesn't say anything, she just keeps hugging you- you're happy to let it happen. Behind you, the rest of your crew is disembarking to the cheers, and occasional hug of Oorai's tank team. As Miho starts to loosen her grip, Yukari comes running up and envelopes both of you. "You did it, Russells!" She yells. "This is one for the books! This is history! Oh man, I can't believe I was here for something like this..."After Yukari's hug, you take a step back and look over your tank. Miho keeps an arm around you as you do. "So how'd you do it?" She finally askes. "It's like you knew exactly where she was..."You laugh a bit- the truth seems so tiny and trivial. "Steel tracks." You say, smiling up at Black Jack. "I was listening to every move she made..."
>>33122600NEXT TIME ON DRAGONBALL Z!
NEXT TIME ON GIRLS UND PANZER QUEST.>Awards.>We look Maho and Shiho in the eye.>We see who blinks first.Girls und Panzer Quest will return Thursday at 4-5PM PST.Follow me on Twitter for schedule updates and to find out when the thread goes live!https://twitter.com/BlackJackGuPQ
>>33122616Nya-HAR! I'm here at the last second!If Erika persists with her questioning, say this:"You're right, I did get a helping hand. From YOU. Those steel treads of yours are so loud, all I needed to do was go to my backup motor, and I knew exactly where you were."
>>33123716Whoops, forgot my tripcode.
>>33122152Wait...what if Erika upgrades to a Sturmtiger to try and take revenge on us?
>>33124522>Sturmtiger>UpgradeUnless she's challenging us to a "How much ordnance you can fit in your body cavities" contest, I don't think she'll be winning if she tries using 380mm Naval Charges against us.
>>33124897Dunno, on one hand, the Sturmtiger's rate of fire is so pathetically low that she'd get one chance to take us out.On the other hand, "380 mm of rocket-propelled FUCK YOU!" With such massive ordnance, even a 'glancing hit' will take anything out.
>>33125325Good luck hitting anywhere near a moving target though.It was designed to bring down buildings. It doesn't have the level of control needed to realistically hit a moving target.
>>33125354Indeed, it would be a terrible choice for one-on-one duels.However, in a regular match, with teammates running/baiting the opponent into position... Yummy!
>>33125354>Implying you don't want to bring down a building on top of your foes.
>>33125577In war certainly!In sensha-do, not so much. Kindly remember someone gotta pay for the damage don by a match. They would look down on tactics based flattening a couple of buildings just to flush opponents out of hiding.
>>33126071Not if the team pays for the damages themselves. XCom anyone?