OPENING>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F468us4qCUEPreviously: Cerulean arrived upon a mysterious island after a mission to rescue shipwrecked personnel had gone awry due to mysterious humanoid monsters.Meeting the natives, Cerulean found aid in the form of a humanoid monster by the name of Kurojo, a tusked Kahkori of Kakarkiko island. With his and his uncle's help, she had been reunited with Marine, her friend from training and childhood.After killing a fierce foe reviled by Kahkori, Cerulean fell ill, and was given a cure by Kurojo. In the village, she learned of a strange ability and found herself able to utilize "Aura."Journeying with Kurojo, Cerulean and Marine make it to the joint city of races amongst the island chain. It is there in Raguna city that she fights to the death with a rambunctious Smolderan.Slipping out of her right mind, she executes her foe with absolute certainty, earning her some recognition with a Smolderan leader and the right to engage in a hunting exam at his request.Cerulran takes a test with another species known as the Araraki, an infallibly polite and timid representative of her people. Upon completing the hunt, they are put through a naming ceremony and engage in some festivities, taking a somewhat heavier turn as Akabaron, Vi-Smohkan of the Smolderan, goes over his deal with Cerulean.Charter the construction of a boat with Kurojo's aid...Known characters>http://pastebin.com/k2xnqqvBMonster Index>http://pastebin.com/wxwgrCqbCharacter Sheet>http://pastebin.com/7CJx3gq1Twitter:>https://twitter.com/AoPHquestLore>http://pastebin.com/vy0a6Z9r
Outside, the Araraki's not all that far away, sitting at the entrance with her back turned in protest.“What want?” She's a fair bit more direct than usual, likely a result of being choked. It's strange for her to be so defensive though.“Wanted to make sure you were okay... And you didn't run, did you?”She doesn't respond to that. “Still want to go home? Glass City?”“I... Don't know anymore...” Marine looks at you with surprise in her eyes, you return with a painful smile, a disarming giggle.The Araraki's head inclines a bit,”Better if know. We would like it... If you could be friends...”“Thought were before?” Marine's Raguna is even worse than the Araraki's.She doesn't reply, only a tilt of her head, and her tail wrapping around her seated body. You decide to put this back on topic, “What did you bring back?” You can see the alarm in her body and spirit as you say that. Slowly, but surely, she looks in your general direction.“Nothing. Go away.” She cuts you off, looking forward again, or rather, away from the two of you.The Araraki is hiding something... And it's likely that she won't give it up easily.(Posting the last part of the last tread since noting would really move from here without an input.)> Push questioning.> Talk to her about the dome.> Go and rest, you need to recover.> Try to get to know her better.> (other)
>>33072387> Talk to her about the dome.> Try to get to know her better.Cultural exchange. Start from childhood.
>>33072387>> Try to get to know her better.Talk about trust, and teamwork. We can poke around other venues before suspecting her of stealing the Index.
>>33072442We can ask her about why her dress is bloody after she becomes less tense.>>33072387What does the blood smell like?
>>33072442>What does the blood smell like?Iron, dirt, bacteria, death(although dying is the correct term)so if it smells like anything other than that...POKESCIENCE, and a clue.
>>33072553messed up the link, damnit. >>33072468
>>33072387> Push questioning.She stole our stuff!
>>33072553Someone raised up the idea last thread that the Araraki went to killl the Narga-kage's cubs. So if the blood smells like the Narga-kage...
>>33072387>> Talk to her about the dome.
>>33072387> Try to get to know her better.> Talk to her about the dome.Tell her a bit about our friends, in a generalistic sense. And our mom.We really don't want them to worry about us.
>>33072678>We really don't want them to worry about us.What do you mean by that?
>>33072734oh, that we went missing in the middle of a mission, and that they are probably worrying about us a lot.We don't want them to worry about us, hence our desire to get back so badly.
>>33072734We(Ceru and Marine) don't want them(Dome people, mom, friends) to worry about us.
>>33072442yeah, start with just getting to know her better.Move onto talking about the dome if the conversation shifts that way, but don't force it.
>>33072239Hooray! On time again!>[x] Push questioning
>>33072239>Push QuestioningBitch, where is our gear? Did you want us to die in this fight, is that why you ran away?
Marine did super great last time around.We should inform her of this before finally going unconscious.
>>33073060Oops. >>33072932 revoting now >>33072387> Push questioning
>>33072933>>33073060[x] Push questioningBetter now?
>>33073060Don't tell me you didn't even start writing after close to half an hour had passed?
>>33072387> Push questioning.> Talk to her about the dome.
“Marine, help me down,” You pat your friend with your good arm, and she assists you with slinking down upon a support of the dugout's entrance. The Araraki looks to you from a side-hole of her skeletal mask, closes her eyes and begins to rise.“Wait.” You say, reaching out with your good arm and nearly losing your balance, “I just want to talk.”She hesitates, “What to say?”“Well.” You hold back any accusations for now. She's not in the mood, and you're not in a good condition to chase her if she decides to leave. “Do you want to know about where we're from? The Glass city?””“Why?”“Because you might understand why... Well... Why we need to go back.” That stabs you in the heart a little bit. The part of you that wants to go back, that's the part that hurt Jojo... You swallow and she seems to take notice of your hesitation.She sets herself before you, squatting, a deal of her shyness gone, that surreal politeness evaporated. “What change?”“I'm sorry?”“Tell later. Speak of dome.”You tell the Araraki about your childhood. About your mother and how you grew up in Cerulean. You explain to her how the quarters are separated and that Cerulean handled the water, caught fish, and worked on boats.Marine adds in the lake, and how fun it was to go swimming.“Oh, one day. Monster get in... Shoot our friend Aqua with water. He lose eye. He okay now, he get staryu put in.” Marine gives a bittersweet smile as she recollects the memory, thinking of home now, it turns into a frown.The Araraki leers at you and Marine, not making eye contact persay, but staring at you just as intently,”Put... in?”
>>33073485It's a good thing Marine is still bad at speaking the language. Easily recoverable.
>>33073552What? no don't lie!
>>33073598She's an Araraki. She can't detect lies.
>>33073485Eh, we want to go back ourselves. Not just the rocket mode.Rocket mode doesn't give a shit about our friends.
>>33073485Damnit guys...we're supposed to keep the dome as secret as possible. Refealing our repel tech, then how rangers are made...
>>33073640Yes, I know this. But don't lie please. lying is bad.
>>33073710That was Marine.
You get a bad feeling, and cut of the tangent, “Yeah, he survived. Really scared though. Oh, and we are hunters there. We're trained to protect our people, it's part of why we need to go back.The Araraki blinks, yet nods to that, “Yes, not all people can protect themselves... But you.” She looks away, hoisting herself up to standing and shaking her body limber like an animal. “You protect bad people. Protect bad, bad guardian. Protect good, good guardian...” She looks back to you,”White, you good guardian, or bad guardian?”Your head drop as much as your heart. Even though you don't know her that well... even though she should know barely anything about the dome... She keeps trying. Is it because she's right and you're wrong? Or is she just trying to turn you away from the dome?The other girl was going to kill Kurojo before because he was a monster, right?Why do you feel like the bad guy? Are you the bad guy?> “I'm a good guardian... You're wrong.” She needs to be wrong.> “I... don't know.” What if she's right?> (other)
>>33073730Talking about the dome led to this.
>>33073797>] “I'm a good guardian... You're wrong.” She is wrongThis bitch is so fucking annoying. Being fro the dome does not make people bad, ffs. Even if Silph or so eone powerful is bad, mostpeople there are innocent and good.
>>33073797>>OtherI'm a guardian. There are good and bad people in the dome.
>>33073797> “I'm a good guardian... You're wrong.” She needs to be wrong.>I protect my people; all of them. I don't pick or choose who to guard. My friends and loved ones and all the civilians whose faces I've never seen. There might be bad people there, but there are also many good people. You can't just call them all bad, especially if you've never seen or spoken to them yourself. Please trust me on this.
>>33073797>>33073797[x] (other)"Good or bad, I'm still Cerulean. Is that not enough?"I'm not so good with the clever wording but you get the sentiment.
>>33073797>> “I'm a good guardian... You're wrong.”No doubting the people in the dome, Ceru. Lots of good folk there.The araraki bad mouthing the dome is like bad mouthing the germans born todaybecause of Hitler. Don't blame people who was born now for the deeds of those long gone.
>>33073797changing >>33073878 to >>33073888
>>33073797>>33073882This. A little assertion there. Capitalize on her just blanketing everyone with the same label.Tell her what she's doing is no different than what the Smolder or Kahkori think about the Araraki. She's making assumptions of an entire group of people without even trying to understand who the people are in that group.That's racism, yo.
>>33073797> “I'm a good guardian... You're wrong.”She won't ever stop this, will she?I too dislike the rest of the writing. "Needs" to be wrong? Ceru, get a hold of yourself. You of all people know how good the people there is.
>>33073797>>[X] “I'm a good guardian... You're wrong.” She needs to be wrong.
>>33073797>>33073931>without even trying to understand who the people are in that group.Or understanding their traditions and culture. Everyone looks down on the Araraki for building with bones and respecting nature. But they have their reasons for it, don't they? But no one wants to try and understand, so they live as second class citizens.
>>33073797> (other)There's lots of people in the domes, good and bad.
>>33073931This man has my sword.
>>33073797Seconding the whole RACISM angle here.>>33073892PLUS this. Ask her how long ago her people know of the Dome people. Is all they know about the Domes from the past? If so, how can she say with confidence that ALL the people are "bad" without even knowing who the people are NOW?
>>33073797>>33073882>>33073931>>33073993>>33074061Oh. Adding an idea to this. Visual presentations! Point out how different Marine and Ceru look. Just like how the two of them look real different from each other, the people of the Dome are all so very different too. Maybe not physically (civilians), but everyone has their own wills and personalities.
>>33074161how about a crudely made slide show? or a one act play describing Araraki's foibles?
>>33074161Let's not. Marine may get the wrong idea and accidentally blurt out more information we don't want getting spread.
>>33074190Yes! Excellent! And a show on PBS! I do not know if PBS is still a thing in America or not. They haven't shown it in my country for a long time.
>>33074204it still isgovernment funded IIRC
>>33074201Honestly I think we should get our monster biology explanation out of the way sooner rather than later, where we have more control over how it comes out. It's liable to blow up in our face if we try to conceal it for too long.
>>33073797Let's ask her if she's ever done anything bad while guarding the plants.
>>33074398Not up to us to decide, anon. That's a major information leak.
>>33074398And what if we don't convince the Araraki that we aren't horrible abominations?Then she'll tell everybody available that we're skinwalkers, and we'll either have to convince the entire village and our acquaintances here that we're not bad, or we'll have to kill everybody on the island to keep it down.
“There are good and bad people from where I'm from... Why- how could you call them all bad if you don't even know them? That's like what the smolder and Kahkori do to Araraki, isn't it?” You speak the words, but your heart isn't all there with them. Between your doubts, and your pain, you're still uncertain.“Good can kill. Bad know not to stop. Elder say glass city people did bad things.”“What like?” Marine asks, finally feeling a part of the conversation.“They make animal fight animal. Kill whole forest, mountain, ocean. Fight each other like Smolder, drive away the world Serebyi.”“You keep mentioning Serebyi, but how could anything drive away a god?” You ask.She turns fully, her tail brushing away loose earth in its low hang. The eyes beneath her mask are sad and passionate, “Serebyi peace. Ones like Smolder war and burn. Tales of glass the same. What it like... Outside city?”You recall the fields of ash. The area outside the dome where the land is regularly burned back by the Cinnabar. It's just for safety though... But, yeah. Nothing lives there. Not for a couple miles around the perimeter of the dome.You don't say anything and she takes it as admission. “Glass City... It is bad. Bad for the world. Smolder bad. Even Tuskless Kahkori try to keep balance. It why we live in Raguna. It why Smolder live on bad land.” She looks over into the night, a breeze passing the residual scent of burnt wood. “Smolder destroy. Elder say glass destroy too.”“Wait. Wait second.” Marine holds her hands up for a pause. She turns to you, “Hey Ceru, this is getting pretty heavy. Want me to help you just get to bed?”> “Yeah, Marine... I'm tired.”> “No, I want to understand why she's saying this.”> (Other)
>>33074594>>[X] “Yeah, Marine... I'm tired.”
>>33074594>You recall the fields of ash. The area outside the dome where the land is regularly burned back by the Cinnabar. It's just for safety though... But, yeah. Nothing lives there. Not for a couple miles around the perimeter of the dome.Uh, it was totally a jungle right outside the Dome, Prof. Don't you remember our first mission?
>>33074594> No, I want our indexes back.> What were you hiding?Enough of this. Talking to gain trust...yeah, awesome work there. Brush the araraki's words aside and press her again on what she was hiding. Bitch.
>>33074594eh, I don't mind > “Yeah, Marine... I'm tired.”Though, do tell the araki that we don't live with nature, but we don't destroy the whole thing either.There -are- great and terrible wildlands outside of the safe areas of the dome. Most everything is poison.And anything we burn, grows back almost immediately.
>>33074670You had to cross the field before you hit the Veridian forest. It's a couple miles of burned land as written.
>>33074594>> “No, I want to understand why she's saying this.”
>>33074691She will be PISSED if she knew we regularly burned the forest. Nature priestess and all that.
>>33074721well, we should mention the forest.It's lush, thick, full of life and doubly full of dangers.
How about we talk about the strongest people in the dome and how they're all pretty progressive?Bruno and his peaceful encounter with the Machop, Agatha and how she doesn't abuse.her massive power, but instead makes sure the dead don't become Lost.And finally our mother, the message she trusted us with and the reason we have to go home, to help it change and grow.
>>33074796That would be a pretty interesting detail to bring up with her.
>>33074594>You recall the fields of ash. The area outside the dome where the land is regularly burned back by the Cinnabar. It's just for safety though... But, yeah. Nothing lives there. Not for a couple miles around the perimeter of the dome.This happens in real life too. Nothing wrong with it, but there's nothing we can tell the Araraki since they worship the plants.
>>33074823well, I don't mind bringing up a few of the influential good people.Also, while we're on the topic, maybe ask if she's ever heard of machops.
>>33074796Those aren't the people we're protecting.
>>33074594>>33074823Yeah, sure. Not sure about Bruno, since who knows how much the Araraki would know of races outside of the 3 in the Hunters' guild, but Agatha and mom are good topics to bring up.
>>33074885They are of the Dome and influential leaders within it, however.
>>33074594I just thought of it, but we should ask how she lives with the wild without hurting it.Because, you know, living with the wild is a recipe to get murdered by poison bugs as far as we know, so that would be handy information.
It annoys me that we won't discover what she was hiding now. Whenever talk about the dome happens, she takes control of the talking and whatever Ceru has to say falls on deaf ears. She doesn't care that the Dome does what is hecessary for survival.Next time, can we please stop trying to be friends with her and just press her to reveal what she's hiding? Because fuck, now we won't know what she was doing in the fight.
>[X] “Yeah, Marine... I'm tired...but let me talk with her first."Yeah, you know what? Fuck that noise. If all you're gonna argument is "But it's bad! M-Muh Elders said so!" then you can go back to find "Serebyi"'s dick to suck. We do not possess the authority to make judgement calls representing our culture and homeland, morality discussions are not of our concern, which is getting back to the Dome. Don't like it, glad to know you don't, but we don't need your approval to go back. Now, I swear to Arceus, I swear by my mum Lorelei, if what you're hiding are our indexes because you stole them, things are gonna get ugly.
>>33074594>You recall the fields of ash. The area outside the dome where the land is regularly burned back by the Cinnabar. It's just for safety though... But, yeah. Nothing lives there. Not for a couple miles around the perimeter of the dome.>You don't say anything and she takes it as admission. “Glass City... It is bad. Bad for the world. Smolder bad. Even Tuskless Kahkori try to keep balance. It why we live in Raguna. It why Smolder live on bad land.” She looks over into the night, a breeze passing the residual scent of burnt wood. “Smolder destroy. Elder say glass destroy too.”>>33074836Like what this anon said, there's nothing wrong with clearing the area around the Dome. It's not as if the area is destroyed without reason; it's just to stop monsters from settling nearby. There's a balance of life within the Dome and destruction around it. Of course, none of this really matters to the Araraki since they seem to be complete fanatics.It's really annoying how you write Cerulean's thoughts in these scenes, Prof, when NO ONE here actually agrees or is convinced by the Araraki. There's a limit to how much you can force away the MC's thoughts from the thoughts everyone else has. Especially when no one shares it.
>>33075003I like this guy, seconding this guy.
>>33074594>>33075021This, Prof. All you're really doing is making people pissed off at the Araraki. It's like SJW strawmanning arguments. It's annoying and it doesn't endear people to the character, especially if you make the character we control nod in agreement to everything they say.
>>33075039>>33075021Ceru's got her own personality. this isn't really anything new. Remember her thoughts last night? She's having some serious doubts about home.This is why I had been considering the switch to third person.
>>33075084Eh, try it next time you want to try to expose Ceru's thoughts better, then.
>>33075084Yes, yes, but you're doing it too hard lately. No one will go along with it. And all you're doing is preventing Ceru from thinking anything else.When we suggested that you could take more control of Ceru's thoughts, we didn't say you could take all control of Ceru's character. We still have a say in how she develops and all you've been doing is denying anything we have to say. You need to give back more control over the character, because you've taken too much.
>>33075084She's also still only 12 (or is she older now?).
>>33075084Because you've been controlling Ceru's thoughts. You haven't let her think anything else except what you approve. It's been becoming worse and worse lately, Prof.
>>33075084Eh, some doubts sure, but this place is no better, and I don't see why she'd think it was.I mean, imagine non-mutated humans even trying to survive out here without massive amounts of repel tech and monster support.
>>33075084I've always liked the way Aspiring Emperor Quest did it.>players make a choice or write-in>QM puts the action through a personality filter to make it in-character>the action also adds to the character himselfYou're really using AoPH as a testing ground, y'know.
>>33075084She's got her own personality. But WE also have a say in that personality's development. Something which you've been hogging all for yourself. It wasn't so bad when you started, but you're pushing your limits, Ygg.
>>33075084What about third person interaction, but first person choices?Make it clear what Ceru is thinking in the choices you give, don't just put choices so they're there.
>>33075084No one wants 3rd person, Prof. Stop pushing for it.No one wants to give you complete control over her personality either. Stop trying to take it all for yourself.
I wonder how Wanderer's pastebin smut is coming along?
Eh, doubts over the dome are something we've been having, just not to the point where we'll accept everything said against it.
>>33075084Ceru's a sweet and nice girl, I know and accep that but by Arceus, no onle likes hearing the Araraki's constant stream of bullshit on a loop. They say even Buddha gets mad if you push him eough. Ceru's no saint, but we've used perfectly justified arguments against her doubts of our "duty" and "cause" to turn her down, if she keeps trying to bruteforce her opinions then we'll bruteforce through her thick mask that we dont give a shit what she, orher race, thinks. And if she took our shit, then we'll take it back by any means necessary.
Okay. New votes for a modest 12 year old based on what I'm seeing so far.> Accuse the Araraki of stealing your indexes.> Defend the Dome's ethics, the araraki has no right to question that.> Call out the Araraki on not thinking for herself.> Retire to bed, you're tired of this> (Other)
>>33075298It's still early.
>>33072239Fuck yeah, AopHLet's all argue and call each-other stupid and call Prof shit.
>>33075328> Defend the Dome's ethics, the araraki has no right to question that.May as well bring up our Domes' leaders too, like that one other anon suggested.
>>33075084While everyone's criticizing you, I may as well bring up Kurojo; you explicitly promised that you wouldn't be forcing him on us. But your tone of voice here seems like you'd force it now. You need to learn to be consistent and keep to your word.
>>33075328> Retire to bed, you're tired of this
>>33075328> Retire to bed, you're tired of thisWe're far too tired to go on and on about what's right and what's not.Also maybe, maaaybe ask her how her people manage to live in the wild without dying.At least that might get us on the right track.And for the record, the dome is well in its rights burning away a bit of the forest. But I don't want to argue with the araki about this.
>>33075328> Retire to bed, you're tired of thisThere's no convincing her at this point.But like everyone else has said, stop forcing us to be convinced by anything she's said. Stop that Prof. All she's said have just been dumb blanket statements.
>>33075328>[x] Retire to bed, you're tired of this
>>33075328>> Defend the Dome's ethics, the araraki has no right to question that.THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS!>> Call out the Araraki on not thinking for herself.
Really we need to have this talk with her when we're NOT mentally unbalanced due to recent trauma and exhaustion and injury.
>>33075328>>33075328>[x]All of the abov.Yes, I mad. Stop trying to feed your godsdamned propaganda, and I have a good reason to suspect you stealing our shit, being more skittish than usual, not joining the fight, and regardless of it being our indexes or not, what the hell do you have hidden in your cunt? Fuck this, I just wanna go sleep and get back home, my REAL home, but you wouldn't understand since you got culturally enriched by the Kahkoris, toiling as slaves and despised by others races. Go suck on a branch, cunt.
>>33075328> Retire to bed, you're tired of this>>33075392This too.It's like you've been acting out an SJW fantasy, Prof. It's annoying to read.We've seen the Dome ourselves. We know there's nothing "unbalanced" at all about the people's lifestyle. Burning the perimeter is completely fine and the only reason the Araraki is upset is because the plants are getting hurt.
>>33075328We're too tired for much more of this. Our home isn't bad though, araki. We just have a lot of weak people, who can't live in the wild like you want.
>>33075469No need to mention that a lot of our people are "weak". We don't want that piece of information going around.
>>33075486well, how do you want to say it then?
>>33075494Just say that we protect our weak.
Yes...let's go to bed and do nothing to change her mind, or improve the situation, while letting Ceru's doubts worsen. Surely that will acco plish so much.> Accuse the Araraki of stealing your indexes.
>>33075501well, the point remains the same. The woods are dangerous, and people die in them semi-regularly.
>>33075434>>33075328Pretty much this. We can't let her go with the last word, and wanting to talk things over later will result in nothing. Because there won't be another chance for this.
Let's plan to ask araki in plain monsterish with kurojo nearby if she had anything to do with the indexes dissapearing, once we're better.We'll use our full aura powers to hopefully see if she's lying.
>>33075328Go to sleep but say we'll talk later.This isn't over.
>>33075328> Accuse the Araraki of stealing your indexes.> Defend the Dome's ethics, the araraki has no right to question that.Fuck going to sleep, that is the same thing as admitting defeat and achieving nothing.
>>33075595>talk laterAnd then, the araraki runs away or hides the indexes (if she has them).If there is one thing I've learned in quests, is that the QM only gives one chance to do something important at the time. Specially QMs of Ygg's caliber (not saying its bad, prof)>>33075328> Accuse the Araraki of stealing your indexes.
>>33075328> (Other)At least throw in mention of the better leaders.
>>33075641>Accus the araraki of stealing uour indexes>defend the dome's ethics, the araraki has no right to question thatI'm getting really angry at her.
If the Araraki stole it, then we'll be thrown a moral choice to kill her, won't we?It's also still possible Jojo stole it for the tuskless. But we don't have evidence or testimonies or anything.I say that we learn how to detect lies to discover the truth of the matter.
>>33075328> Accuse the Araraki of stealing your indexes.> Defend the Dome's ethics, the araraki has no right to question that.> Call out the Araraki on not thinking for herself.No time for bed, Ceru. You have RESPONSIBILITIES.
>>33075641That'd be pretty shitty of him to do. Especially since we can't argue with her without seeming childish.
>>33075697Oops, quoted the wrong post. Somehow.>>33075328>Accuse the araraki of stealing your indexes>Defend the Dome's ethics, the araraki has no right to question that
>>33075716I kinda hope we have to kill her. Most annoying character ever, she's like tumblr's SJW.
>>33075328Go to bed otherwise Prof will make us look like a cunt.
>>33075765> Retire to bed, you're tired of this>>33075772 is right, it's literally impossible to win here because we're written as tired and upset.wait till later, but have suspicions.
>>33075733Eh, it's how things work in quests, anon. You should know that now.And besides, there was opportunity to address the matters we wanted to, but noooooo, let's reveal information about the dome and get in another childish argument and end up not talking about what we wanted to.
>>33075328>Press on what the Araraki were doing during the hunt>Particularly if she was going to let us get killed.Confront her about the index after.
>>33075765It's because of Prof, really. He's really mucking it up by not even letting Ceru have a word in and controlling her thoughts. Seriously, this is pretty scummy of him. It's no wonder why so many people want to cut ties off with the Araraki now, since Prof just keeps forcing more and more "character development" no one wants onto us.
>>33075328>Accuse the araraki of stealing your indexes>question her on what she was doing during the fight.Let's try to salvage this situation, it's not too late yet.
>>33075811>implying that Ceru can't have any thoughts other than what the players mandateThat's the number one cause of why so many quest character's schizophrenia.
>>33075328This is stupid, we're not gonna convince her by talking so we should just sleep.Or at least wait until we're not so frazzled.
>>33075792Hah, no, anon. No other chances will come. And every, every fucking talk with this character goes in the same direction and is about the same thing now.
>>33075848But that's not even the issue here. Lots of people agree that Prof doesn't let anyone else have a say in her character. EVEN when we're all united on it.
>>33075811See >>33075848And well, should have picked a better option than talk about the dome then. You know, try to bond using something she doesn't fanatically considers evil?
>>33075848No one said Prof couldn't have some control over her personality to keep in consistent.The problem, however, is that Prof won't let anyone else influence the character. This isn't a matter of being a schizo. The majority here are united in character direction except for Prof.Defend him as much as you wish, but that won't change this fact. Prof is just masturbating to his own literary prose at this point.
>>33075844I'd rather question about the fight first and hear her response before bringing up the index and cutting all bridges.
>>33075915I, too, am curious about the fight.I'm also tired.
>>33075848That's irrelevant because no one is divided on this point. Prof is essentially masturbating, just as this guy said>>33075908
Don't ask about the indexes, maybe ask about the blood on her dress.
>>33075848I'm sure you're so proud for coming up with that reply, so it makes me feel guilty to tell you how irrelevant and useless it is in this situation.
>>33075908>>33075934Stop fixating so much on Prof and try to fix things up in cahracter instead. If a certaind evelopment seems to be being forced upon Ceru, then vote as hard as you can in the opposite direction.
>>33075908>>33075934>implying that a united /tg/ still won't cause schizophrenia>The problem, however, is that Prof won't let anyone else influence the character.No, the problem is that /tg/ built a moeblob with a spine of steel that has a critical weakpoint in her friends.We call the Araraki a friend. Her lectures hits us hard without Giovanni or Rockets as backup. To ignore how much the lecture hurts is schizophrenia.
>>33075970Not with the way Prof has been doing things. Even here>>33074594He still forced it. There's no solution except to either avoid the Araraki and cutting off all ties with her or telling Prof he's being retarded about character development.
>>33075934Well I think we can agree that the dome has flaws, but not as unilaterally as the Araraki says.
>>33075328>Ask her what she was doing during the battle>Ask her about the indexes (without sounding accusatory)Can we at least agree on enver talking with her about the dome again? Please?
>>33076000It hurts. That's it. But he keeps forcing us to keep buying into her crap. He doesn't let us have any say. He's talking to himself at this point. This isn't like early on in the quest at all.No, we did not need him to have so much control over Ceru's character. It was so minor when we started out and we were still consistent. The problem is that he's become too selfish.
anybody else uses crtl+f for this quest?
>>33076033>someone is agreeing with me, therefore I'm completely in the right and never have to admit anything wrong
>>33076043>But he keeps forcing us to keep buying into her crap.FRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIENDCeru would have shot her by now if she wasn't a friend. The thread asked for SJW when we befriended her.
>>33076033Except we've already provided reasons why Ceru has no reason to think that way.The Araraki is obsessed with plants to a fanatical level.There's nothing wrong with burning the area around the dome. Why would we think there was something wrong just because she said it was bad?The Dome is not destroying everything like the Smolder, after all. It's to keep monsters away.
>>33076033You're an asshole, Prof. You've always been an asshole when no one agrees with you.
>>33076101>provided reasonsLogical reasons. Lizard is using emotional appeal. +5 modifier to persuasion, +10 for being Ceru's friend.
>>33076033People have already provided arguments for why Ceru shouldn't have to be forced to think that way. So why do you think that's some sort of absolute? You're railroading, Prof.
>>33076119Yeah, stop this, you're not helping. Go away and vent your frustrations on something else. Now, can we please move on and continue the quest? This quest always has the worst shitstorms.
>>33076063can we drop the qm hate for this thread at least? please
>>33076138If we're putting Charm into this, Ceru would automatically succeed at not getting Charmed.
>>33076119It's not like the other guy isn't right though.We can start to move away from that though, at least here. vote for ceru to go to sleep, but have growing reservations over Araraki's fanaticism.In character.
>>33076033Such a jackass, Prof. Such a jackass.Oh wait, no. You're never wrong. You're always in the right.
>>33076167>It's not like the other guy isn't right though.He's not right, though.>>33076141This is the truth. There's no one way that Ceru should have been forced to take this information. Prof is railroading, this time in character development. He won't let anyone control the character anymore.
>>33076159>implying that moelizard doesn't have nice Tenacity and Charm>implying that moelizard isn't burning Charm and Tenacity right now to confront us.I want to burn bridges with the lizard right now, unless she gives a good reason for the fight abandonment.
>Everybody mad as hellSauciest playerbase going today
>>33076138Then we play the ultimate emotional card and talk about our mom.
>>33076154The arguments only started to get harsher when Prof started refusing to be blamed for anything. Like usual.
>>33076219>There's no one way that Ceru should have been forced to take this information>>33076000>a critical weakpoint in her friendsShe's hitting super effective.Either accept her, continue using her until usefulness runs out, or drop her like a hot potato.>>33076280This will do very, very nicely. Nobody beats us at emotional. Therefore answer her appeal with one of our own.
>>33076224>moelizardMaybe when we first met her...but she's not moe anymore.
>>33076273I guess there's an advantage to only running once a week. It gives the playerbase time to depressurize.Running multiple times seems to make AoPH go full frothing assmad.
>>33076219Both are kind of right.We have reasons to distrust her, but we have been making ourselves closer to her.
Hey whats going on in this threadI have an application on my desktop programed to ping me and link me to a post every time someone on /tg/ mentions the word "SJW" so I can derail the thread, but this isn't a politics thread at all. It's a quest. Someone explain to me very briefly what everyone's complaining about and how SJWs are involved so I can figure out whether or not I need to troll future threats.
>>33076306>a critical weakpoint in her friendsYes, what of them? The Araraki is accusing all of her friends at the Dome of being 'bad'. The reasoning being that she doesn't know any of them. Which is a major point against the Araraki, who is not a friend. Just someone Ceru has known for two days in total.
>>33076323>Both are kind of right.That is true. But the decision for how to think was taken away from us by the Prof, which is what people are getting angry about. He's been doing this for a while and he's becoming more and more blatant.>>33074594This here was the last straw that forced so many people to start calling Prof out on his antics.
>>33076330Someone called a fictional character an SJW.
>>33076330A few people are insulting Prof's character who thrives on poorly made arguments and who can't be argued against because Prof doesn't want anyone to argue against his character.
>>33076368Well, compared them to; the agendas aren't really that similar.
While everyone's shitting on Ygg again, I'm still bothered by Rocket Mode.Prof, what makes RM Ceru recognize something as a monster?
>>33076313To us, no.To Ceru, yes. And that's a disconnect between jaded players and the idealistic MC. To make the MC take the jaded players view without sufficient leading (ie. asking her about the fight again) is schizophrenia. We need a bigger reason to cut ties.>The Araraki is accusing all of her friends at the Dome of being 'bad'.ceru.exe attempting to understand arguments of friends arguing against friends...fatal exception has occurred please reboot>Which is a major point against the Araraki, who is not a friend. Just someone Ceru has known for two days in total.Ceru called her a friend in-game.
>>33076415I don't think he can actually tell us that since it's not something Ceru is cognizant of.
>>33076033People shit on you because you don't want to think you're ever wrong.
>>33076330Can you share that application?
>>33076335We'veknown the Araraki a bit longer than that, and haven't seen our Dome friends for a while.And with our dome friends, we know they can be a bit dodgy like Devon and Lilac
Here's the issue I'm having with 75% of the "What dos" for Ceru.None of it is in context with who she is and what she thinks.Ceru is>Soft>Friendly>Dutiful>CaringAnd currently>Shellshocked>Is in constant pain.>Suffering from recent trauma from nearly shooting someone who's only ever been good to her, and is a newly dear friend.In any case, next post is almost done. I'm going to have to start minimizing the window so I can write faster.
>>33076422We've only known the Araraki for two days. There's no reason to have a strong emotional attachment to her. We approached her because she looked like she needed help. Possibly because we felt sorry for her race getting discriminated at too.There's no reason why she should have any extra power in convincing Ceru of anything.We also called her a friend IC because that's what we wanted to be with her. That does not mean she's suddenly more important to us than anyone else in our life or that she becomes more convincing.
>>33076282the blame game solves nothing so just drop it
>>33076463What do you think the "what do's" are?Simply put, the core of the issue is how easily she's following whatever the Araraki has to say. Why? None of the things you've listed are reasons for why we should believe her.I know you want to push hard for Ceru feeling bad about her "Rocket mode", but that has nothing to do with how she feels towards the people of the Dome.
>>33076463I've been wondering why she doesn't seem to care much that she's been separated from her closest friends in the dome.
>>33076432We have enough information to know what makes it tick.The problem is that the information contains a lot of contradictions and stupid implications I want sorted out.Is Prof willing to help clear this up for me?
>>33076463Shellshocked and in pain? Yes? What does that even mean in regards to Ceru feeling any doubts against the Dome? Rocket Mode? And she automatically believes the entire Dome is evil? Why she can't defend any of the people inside it?You're being a huge bigot, Prof.
>>33076491>There's no reason to have a strong emotional attachment to her.Since when was emotional attachments logical? Ceru's all about forming attachments. This was a flaw chosen by /tg/ at character gen.>That does not mean she's suddenly more important to us than anyone else in our lifeYes.>or that she becomes more convincing.No.>>33076551The obvious solution is to fire back with an emotional appeal of our own.>>33076601It means her brain is tired of making logical arguments. Use emotional ones or go to bed.
>>33076463Prof. Don't be a douche. That doesn't justify you forcing all of these 'developments'. You cannot honestly tell us that you're completely right and that Ceru can't ever think of anything else aside from what you've written without recognizing how horribly you're strangling the character, can you?
>>33076463Lashing out violently is a possible reaction to so much stress. Remember Prof, the nicest people can be the worst people when they have a breakdown.
>>33076625To clarify, I agree with >That does not mean she's suddenly more important to us than anyone else in our lifeand disagree with>or that she becomes more convincing.
>>33076625>Since when was emotional attachments logical? Ceru's all about forming attachments. This was a flaw chosen by /tg/ at character gen.Our flaw is that we try to be peaceful at first.That does not relate to the Araraki's ability to convince us of anything, but to her ability to hurt Ceru's feelings. You're not forced to believe everything your friends say, after all.
>>33076463>Prof continuing to be a faggot
>>33076463The thing is, that shouldn't make us willing to condemn EVERY person from the Dome, and the more you deny that, the angrier the players get as backlash because they feel they're being ignored.
>>33076463Here's the issue I'm having with 100% of your justifications.You keep acting like you're the only one ever allowed to interpret them.Prof, there have been many times where I thought your characters were awkward or acting inappropriately. I overlooked them because I just enjoy the adventure. So let me tell you that you're not a perfect judge for characters.
>>33076463Sure. Continue to ignore everyone's arguments. You ALWAYS do that. Every time you do something wrong, you never admit to making any mistake.You never learn, Prof. Not even when people tell you as nicely as possible what you're doing wrong. All you ever think about is replying to the guys who shout and get angry at you with a stonewall face and a "reasons" that are supposed to justify everything you do.
>>33076659Moelizard has the zeal of a person believing that they're doing this for Ceru's own good while being a friend to Ceru. That nets her a lot of points when mentally fatigued. We must strike back with an emotional appeal of our own.>>33076691>that shouldn't make us willing to condemn EVERY person from the DomeWhen have we considered that? We're having trouble thinking of ways to tell her she's wrong while being tired. Logic won't do it, therefore bring out an emotional appeal with the work Bruce and our mother are doing.
>>33076463We've told her multiple times why we need to get back to the Dome, all she does is repeat her little mantra of the "glass city being evulz", at this point, you're just using her to inject your forced opinions on the playerbase. Also, on the previous fight, why the fuck include Rocket Mode as an option if you're just gonna make us burn Tenacity and back out after picking it? Did you just do it because "m-muh shounen super powered evil mode"? Fuck this bullshit.Also, notice how he inconspicuously doesn't include >in love with Jojoon that post? Next comes his "justified" excuse of "he's the only native Ceru trusts ever since she's washed up on the island, also a foreigner, of course little teenage Ceru will fall heads over heels for him!" Fuck off with your forced pairing. First you try to railroad us into staying on your islands instead of advancing plot and getting back to the Dome and now this?
>>33076751WHY would it net her lots of points?Again, all she can do is hurt Ceru's feelings. She can't convince her of anything. Especially not with how stupid all her arguments have been.
>>33076771>why the fuck include Rocket Mode as an option if you're just gonna make us burn Tenacity>Why include options that will get players killed in any game ever?>>33076816>Again, all she can do is hurt Ceru's feelings.MUH FEELINGS is the main way to convince Ceru of anything, and she was built that way. This is why I stayed away from AOPH so long.
>>33076816So how about we start crying because she's calling our Mom and friends evil and won't stop and we're too tired and in pain to form an argument?
>>33076852>MUH FEELINGS is the main way to convince Ceru of anything, and she was built that way. This is why I stayed away from AOPH so long.It's never been that way. All it does is net some sympathy, but no one has ever convinced Ceru to think of anything with just FEELINGS. In fact, it's only the Araraki who's been trying to convince us to think of anything.
>>33076771You know we could simply have excluded JoJo and Nala from RM Ceru's vision, instead of wasting tenacity and cancel Rocket Mode.Or, you know...not have slipped into Rocket Mode at all. That was an option too.
oh, hey look. we had a nice little streak there of actually thought out posts, and then back to people caling prof a shit and raging. wheee.
>>33076889The argument that's getting people angry is that Ceru's being forced to think a certain way. FORCED. There is no reason why Ceru should have only thought that way, except that Prof FORCED it and is acting as if he's a perfect judge of character.
>>33076893She came in after we nearly killed Jojo thanks to training from the Dome. MUH FEELINGS always helps people to convince or manipulate Ceru. To fight MUH FEELINGS, we must counter with MUH FEELINGS.
>>33076463God. You can be such a shithead, Prof. Such a whiny asshole.
>>33076918Prof didn't give us an option to erase both Jojo AND Nala.Unless there actually was an (Other) choice that I had forgotten.
>>33076938No? No it doesn't? Saying that it's "always" been a thing doesn't actually make it true.
>>33076918>>33076955People assumed we could pay 4 and do both. Probably would have just ended with us out of commission for even longer, not that people were thinking of that at the time.
>>33076463You really don't know how to gracefully accept when you're wrong, do you?Everything was fine until you started "stonewalling" us. Gawd.
>>33076920The worst part is in the last thread, no one fucking acknowledged that we had no business fighting the Nargacuga in the first place.
>>33077028Because that was something you were forcing.No, we had "business". Prof totally approved of it and considered it reasonable, if we "planned" well. Which we couldn't. Because he's shitty at fights.
>>33076984>Boss every time>DevonPretty sure I can come up with more. Anyhow, moelizard is using Rocket Mode and emotional appeal to prove the dome is bad when we're tired and emotionally vulnerable, doing it with utmost efficiency. We need to counter that with emotional appeal of our own.
>>33076463>>33077019The worst thing about him is that he always runs away from arguments. All he can do is just post periodically to talk about how right he is and repost the same things people have already argued against and torn down. He's an ass.
>>33077064We choose to follow Boss loyally.I don't know why you brought up Devon. He's never convinced us to think of anything. Are you talking about going out of the Dome? We chose that ourselves.Why are you so proud of yourself for coming up with such half-assed answers?
>>33077051You're retarded. We made a plan, and it worked, because he had Nala hanging around out of pity.You're just bitching that it wasn't flashy enough for you when we're lucky to be alive.In this specific case, you're totally in the wrong.
>>33077130You're retarded. We made a plan and it worked because we took advantage of what we were given. And Prof didn't give us much to begin with. And he was surprised that we didn't do much. You cannot keep ignoring Prof's own posts to suit your own needs. He fucked up.
>>33077130It's not about flash, anon. It's about how poorly the fight progressed.Prof never gave an opportunity for the fight to actually 'advance'. All his fights are like that, with 99% of the text basically portraying the monster as being completely fine and the last 1% having them be completely taken down from a perfect condition.Multiple "new" readers here have commented on how bad Prof's fights are even before people started criticizing his writing harder.
>>33077110>implying that we don't live in constant yearning of approval and dread of rejection from boss>implying that Devon didn't play on our fears of him disrespecting our authoritahI'm sure.
>>33077209Those were our decisions, anon. We chose to think and act that way ourselves. We weren't forced into it.Unlike what Prof has done now, taking the issue entirely out of everyone else's hands.
>>33077162We got way more advantages than we deserved, considering the quality of our opponent.I agree that he shouldn't have.expected us to do more, but that doesn't mean he should nerf our enemies.
>>33077288No one was asking him to nerf our enemies. Everyone was telling him how bad his writing was for the battle that only simple decisions could be made.>I agree that he shouldn't have.expected us to do moreWhich relates to this. He did think we should have done more. We couldn't have done more because of his writing.
“Yeah, I'm tired Marine... But there is something I'd like to ask first...” You look to the Araraki, the dark of night penetrated by your feline eyes and the low light pouring out of the dugout.“How do you live without harming the land? You have to do something to make a living right? Like the Kahkori and Smolder?”The Araraki appears thoughtful to the question, her eyes focusing a bit hard, “We return. Give back. Only take what need. Some Araraki forget. We listen to elder.”“But what if your elder's wrong? What if things have changed since those stories?”“Have they?” The Araraki begins to leave, for the woods, threatening to disappearing into the same shadows that a narga-kage now burned and bloodied once crept within.“Wait! I wanted to ask you where you went. What's that blood?”The Araraki doesn't turn around, “We return in morning. We sorry.” As usual, her words are sincere. And again she's apologizing, but you don't know what for.“If you don't tell me why you ran away, I don't think we can hunt anymore.”The Araraki stops, “That fine. We find our own way home.”She leaves into the wood alone, yet you feel like the bad guy. Why does she make you feel like the bad guy? You haven't done anything wrong... But you almost killed Jojo. You squeeze your left hand, biting your lip. What would you have done if you killed one of your friends again... Wait, again?You feel Marine's hands move to pick you up, startling you out of your thoughts, “C'mon Ceru, you should get to bed. I'll stay up for her. I want to know why she left too but I can't really blame her.”“But...” You protest with a whimper.“But nothing Ceru! C'mon.” Marine helps you inside, the pain and exhaustion wearing on you. Nala nods, acknowledging your presence, Kurojo's already asleep.
>>33077255>We chose to think and act that way ourselves.And thus you railroaded yourselves into making that a standard Ceru action, until something came along that would convince the character to never do that again.Like, say, this incident.
Next hunt, when we're not going for an assassin monster, I propose we spend a while watching the thing, learning how it lives, and figuring out its weaknesses with probing attacks.
>>33077288Why is it "more than we deserved"?You keep ignoring the fact that it was Prof who said it was a battle that could be won. We didn't even know Nala would be with us.
You slide carefully into bed beside him, your eyes already pretty heavy as you lie down, staring up at Kurojo as he sleeps upright, sleeping soundly with a slight whistle carrying out from his breath.If you'd shot him, he wouldn't be here right now.Cerulean wants to curl up beside him, to get a bit closer. But guilt stops her action. No, she has no right to... Not without begging his forgiveness. He saw what she was about to do... He hasn't said anything to Nala or Marine either.Her eyes close with pangs of regret, and she slips off into the world of dreams...
>>33077351People have given multiple reasons why we wouldn't think the way Ceru did in this conversation. So no, we couldn't be forced
>>33077351Anon, that doesn't have anything to do with the arguments here.We chose to act that way. But it has no relation to why the Araraki should convince us to think of anything.
>>33077322>>33077202I feel as if the quality of the enemy makes our inability to do much perfectly logical.You really think we should have been able to go toe to toe with the Nargacuga?
>>33077373You're gonna take a lot of shit for thrid person. Even more...Press on, Prod.
>>33077414But that's irrelevant.Prof said it was a winnable fight before Nala came.Prof was also surprised that we didn't do much.So both of your arguments have been contradicted.
>>33077373Stop doing 3rd person, Prof. God. Even if no one supported you on that, you still went with it. You're just proving what people are saying about you not caring about anyone else's opinion.
>>33077427Winnable isn't the same as "easy" or even "without casualties"and by the point we were at, we should have known that prof does tend to slip into false reassurance when we're heading into things like this.
>>33077373I suggest sticking a divider of some sort to signal perspective change.>>33077377>multiple reasons>Logical reasons vs. an emotional appeal lovingly built on flimsy evidence>which one has greater effect on a tired PTSD emotionally vulnerable teenage girl?If you say the former, you are dense.>>33077406Our past behaviors were built on allowing emotional appeals to affect us. Past behaviors, future consequences.
>>33077373>>33077452Unless they kiss your ass.
>>33077452more than a few people said to do it sparingly, just not all the time.
>>33077347Okay, this part right here is unjustifiable. Making it so we don't have a chance to talk to the Araraki in the future, leaving her the winner?And nice third person jackass.
>>33077457>Our past behaviors were built on allowing emotional appeals to affect us. Past behaviors, future consequences.Except this isn't true at all. You're just forcing it.
>>33077452Might be RM Ceru surfacing.
>>33077491One guy said that. But only now. Previously, no one supported it except when Prof brought it up again in this thread and stated his "reasons". And, obviously, someone has got to support his "reasons", otherwise he'll be undefended.
>>33077501Woop de doo, that's what happens in a lot of quests. The araraki will disappear in the night and we won't be able to find her. This is no surprise.But if we do meet her again, we push the bitch against the wall and don't let her speak back.
>>33077457You're playing it up too hard. She's shaky and nervous, but that doesn't mean she can be made to believe some retarded argument. All you're doing is wording everything to be as biased as possible.
>>33077519you know, if he just wants to do 3rd person, you can't really stop him short of just crashing the quest.
>>33077549Nah. People can complain.It works so well, considering how horribly it seems to affect his attitude.
>>33077373I'm already thinking of reasons for why there's a switch to 3rd person here. God help me if I'm right, because it'd prove how much of a faggot you are, Prof. I don't want to see what lengths you'd go to just to justify your own improper behavior.
>>33077504Hah.The only times emotional appeal doesn't work is when we have utmost certainty in what we are doing is right, and launch an emotional appeal ourselves.>>33077542>but that doesn't mean she can be made to believe some retarded argumentYes.But what it does mean is that is that Ceru will sit down and listen to bitching that strikes her in one of her lowest moments. This is usually the part where the paladin falls.>wording everything to be as biased as possibleBiased as what? Biased as in the fact that I'm bringing up teenagers and bad decisions?
>>33077541Shut up. You stupid cunt , responding to her flawed arguments with violence is such an awful.response that I'd think you a troll.That's pretty much guaranteeing she's right about everything.
>>33077584Oh, please, enlighten us on what you think it is and how it's so evil for Prof to do it. Amuse us, please.
>>33077680"Meta" is all I'll say.
>>33077426Stick with the prod. Prod with the prod.
>>33077668Wow, so angry and violent. Why don't you go and cool your head off for a few hours, bro? I don't give a shit about the araraki's arguments anymore, I actually want her to die now. All I want is to know what the fuck she was doing during the fight and if she did steal the indexes, and she can fuck off (or die) and never show up again. I really want her dead, but I won't pursue that, unless there is good reason for that.
>>33077584What the fuck is your problem? These past two threads literally every post Ygg makes has some douche like you giving him shit. I understand criticism is important, but if you don't want to alienate both the qm and everybody else, you have to tone it down. He's clearly trying to be as gracious as possible, but how the fuck do you think someone's gonna act when you carry on like that? You accuse him of "improper behavior" ONE sentence after you call him a faggot?Fuck.
>>33077687What do rogue partial AI's in the equipment of one insane person have to do with this?
>>33077725Shut the fuck up Devon.Killing someone for saying things you don't like is retarded.
>>33077748>clearly trying to be as gracious as possibleBarely. He's always like this.>improper behaviorThe insults escalated because of him.
>>33077839Prof is a fucking prideful douche. He's NEVER admitted to making any mistake he's been accused of. No matter how many people are against him. He just ignores it all and retreats into himself like an asshole. His solution for anything is to forget it all and hope no one else brings it up.And no one does bring it up. Until he makes a mistake again. And the process repeats because he's an idiot.
>>33077836Ok, you didn't even read the entire post, did you?>I really want her dead, but I won't pursue that, unless there is good reason for that.>>33077839>>33077854And you just keep on and on about how bad he is, and just clutter the thread with hostile posts and etc. If he will ignore you anyway, then stop shitting the thread for those who don't have a stick int heir ass as big as yours.
>>33077899Nah.I can ignore Prof's fuck ups after the thread. But in the thread itself, there's no way. He'll be constantly told he's a shithead because he deserves it.
I've really lost the drive to participate. There's more than enough people to defend Ygg, and more than enough to give him shit. Nothing ever gets done because the arguements are poorly thought out and the main points are quickly forgotten in favor of vague claims and poor counter-arguements.There IS a problem, but clearly, it's not going to be solved this way. Prof needs to discuss some things, but there's too many meaningless posts to find the ones to actually answer to.If there's a point you agree to, do so, but don't add in things without thinking about what you're implying.
>>33077946It's useless for Prof to "discuss" anything. He's "discussed" things before. The only thing left to do is for him to actually change.
>>33077921It doesn't matter, you're just shitting the thread up because you're bitter now. Been 5 hours and we've had so little content because of all of this anger and spite.I just want to continue the quest, but you guys just want to bully Prof.
Q&A thread some day maybe?>implying it wouldn't just make things worse
>>33077946just use ctrl+f on prof's secure trip jibble jabble
“You killed her.” A voice echoes from the dark, a silver room coming into view. A sparring circle like the one back in the dome. You don't think you've been here before... Pillars float with the pulse of psionic energy, fragmented and pulsing, revolving around an inner rod.As the room lights up, the silver dust of the battle circle shimmering underfoot, you hear the voice again, “You killed her. You are dangerous, don't you see?”You look down, and you see Alexis, young and pale hanging limp in your arms, frost forming at her mouth, eyes an icy blue. No pulse.With a start, Cerulean nearly drops the body, only to clumsily catch it, her hands shaking with dread. “No... No... I... I didn't...”“You killed her.” The voice echoes again.Cerulean shakes her head, “No, no, no! She's still alive... Alexis is still alive.” She lays her down, and begin to perform life recovery procedures, yet as she pushes against her chest, her hands sink down, penetrating cold flesh with colder claws. Her blood beads and freezes, crackling as Cerulean pulls away with a panic.“No... I didn't mean...” Cerulean begs tries to reason with the dream, yet she feels trapped under the weight of her own guilt.“You are a monster. I'd have you remember that.” A hand touches her shoulder, and Cerulean spins around, tears falling from her face.“No!” She screams, and there she sees Sabrina there with her always deadpan glare. An alabaster mask of human perfection, long purple hair falling over her shoulders in a hime cut.
>>33077969Of course. Because he's a shithead. And he deserves it.No one wanted to "bully" him until he made a mistake and refused to own up to it. Like always. It's happened enough times that it's just going to get worse since he doesn't understand how to accept his mistakes.
Sabrina slowly shakes her head to Cerulean, “Yes, you are the one that did this.” The woman places a hand on Alexis's chest, a psychic pulse sent through the girl's small frail body, bringing her back to life.“You were made into a monster to destroy monsters. You are no longer a person, and you're better off not acting like it. It is no different from my son.”Alexis takes a breath, a haggard cough to expel the cold. Cerulean breathes relief. Alexis is alive... Alexis is alive... Alexis is...Her hands find your throat, anger painted across her naked face,”You killed me... Monster... You...Mmmonster!”No. No, I'm not... You gasps for breath...> Accept your fate, you killed Alexis.> Make her stop, she's hurting you.> (Other)
>>33077990Then just stop, your efforts won't matter at all.>>33077986AW SHIT
>>33078000> Make her stop, she's hurting you.
>>33077969It's because to them, there is no quest unless Prof acknowledged and concedes to their objections. Like the core argument is whether or not our suggestions actually mean anything, or if Prof is just writing a book.
>>33078000> Accept your fate, you killed Alexis.Because it happened.This is really a damatic thread now.
>>33078015>Then just stop, your efforts won't matter at all.Nah. They matter. They obviously hurt your feelings. Really, so few people actually tried to defend Prof. And now you're just begging for people to stop.
>>33078000Deep Breaths.>"I chose this path, and it up to me to keep myself in check. A monster is just someone who doesn't know who they are and what they do. Maybe, Maybe I if I can figure that out, I won't be a monster anymore..."
>>33078000> Accept your fate, you killed AlexisPolemic!
>>33078000> (Other)Embrace her. Tightly.
>>33078000> Accept your fate, you killed Alexis.Finally, time to make Ceru the perfect and cold killing machine.
>>33078000>>33078050>>33078054These. Embrace her. Be tender with her. And explain yourself.
>>33078000> Accept your fate, you killed Alexis.
>>33078000> Make her stop, she's hurting you.Zombie!
>>33078000Ooh. Seconding both of these.>>33078050>>33078054
>>33078000>> (Other)>"Sabrina made you try to kill me... Sabrina made me kill you... and I'm sorry..."We apologize for killing her. We had no choice, it was circumstance.
>>33078000 Accept your fate, you killed Alexis.RESPONSABILITIES.
who gives a fuck about all this namby pamby emotion shit? when we gonna get back to butchering mofos and fucking shit up?
>>33078054>>33078050One of these.Maybe start saying we're sorry.
>>33078000>>33078050Go.And hug her.
>>33078000> Accept your fate, you killed AlexisOnly good option. Grow strong (and jaded) Ceru.
>>33078000> (Other)Hug and>>33078050
>>33078000> Make her stop, she's hurting you.knock it off lexi
>>33078000> Accept your fate, you killed Alexis> Embracing is optional.Actions have consequences, Ceru. Even if you want to be tender, you need to face what you did.
>>33078091we just did that
>>33078000> Accept your fate, you killed Alexis.Did we kill Alexis? Coulda sworn I remember her being 100% alive.Eh, if it turns out we were hallucinating or some shit, I want to get it out in the open instead of living in denial.
>>33078085Yeah this. Maybe bring up what Sabrina has done to Goldenrod back when he was human? And how she had her Espers kill a helpless child who did nothing but sleep and teleport, just to make her son less of a disappointment in her eyes.I think now we learn some monsters wear human skin.
>>33078050That's autistic as fuck. You know prof's going to ignore that gor being out of character right?Her emotional state and shit. She's not damn coherent to pull out a speech like that.
>>33078000> Accept your fate, you killed Alexis.Hmm, not exactly sure what this option does, but I think that acknowledging her own actions and powers is always a good thing.>>33078050Hmm, what are you trying to say here?
>>33078151The part before Alexis started strangling us is pretty much a faithful replay. We lethally attacked her and she would have died if Sabrina didn't revive her.
>>33078151We briefly killed her in a heavily railroaded encounter, but Alexis wasn't such a bitch about it.
>>33078085But that's wrong. Cerulean could very well not have killed Alexis, but we decided to use an Evil move and Frost Breath at point blank range. We could have pulled our punches, but we didn't.That's just a poor attempt at shifting the blame to Sabrina.
>>33078000> Accept your fate, you killed AlexisDid not expect this.
>>33078000>> Accept your fate, you killed Alexis.Cerulean, you evil, evil monster.Uh...wait...is the araraki pulling some dickass dream shenanigans on Ceru?
>>33078244They were ranked low and bought in the middle of the fight.It was the same with our Water Gun, which barely phased our opponents at the same rank.The assumption was that they were controllable moves. So it's Prof's fault. And Sabrina's fault.
>>33078186>We chose to become a ranger>We didn't mean to, but we "killed" Alexis>We own up to our actions>Ceru feels shit enough to consider herself a monster>Ceru does not feel that there is no hope for her>We need to grow upshould I have included this in the original choice?
>>33078000>>33078050This and a hug.Question what a "monster" is.
>>33078303It's a buzz word in-setting. It's got all sorts of meanings.
>>33078000> Accept your fate, you killed Alexis.But hug her anyway.
>>33078319the hug vote is basically a modified "let her kill you" vote anyhow.
>>33078050>>33078054Just a hug. And resolve. What's a monster and all that shit.
>>33078288But everyone was weaker, back then, and Alexis was fairly more human than Cerulean.>>33078289Hmm, fairly better than the write-in itself. Though it does sound like >Accept your fate; but with something more.
>>33078375That's the thing. Prof made all of our actions weak. Except for that one moment when we finally got something "useful". Which Prof has made useless afterward (both Frost and Crossroad).
>>33078201Alexis seemed to be trying to kill us after being tortured by Sabrina for the crime ofbeing hugged by a ranger.This is a narrative that Sabrina has been forcing, because she has nothing left but her own lack.of mods.
>This threadI'm agreeing with the critics on this one, the MC's personality is being railroaded.
Accept your fate>>33078034>>33078053>>33078064>>33078074>>33078086>>33078112>>33078133>>33078151>>33078186>>33078259>>33078283Make her stop>>33078017>>33078078>>33078096>>33078123Hug her(I'm going to make this an action regardless.)Accept your fate wins.
>>33078419Unfortunately, this is a narrative Prof is forcing as well, by making the protagonist unable to see the truth, which makes our presence here useless.
>>33078375>Though it does sound like >Accept your fate; but with something more.In essence, it sums up a couple of things about the QM vs. Player debacle.Not everyone enjoys sufferring, but they know it's something that needs to happen. Still, the players don't trust Prof not to turn Ceru into some self-loathing prick, so the write-in includes a note of hope. When it goes too far/is poorly written, Prof needs to go and add some caveats or change it a bit to be more inline with Ceru as an emotionally vulnerable little girl.
>>33078440It's partially people not realizing how they were shaping the character, and partially prof taking the starts of things too far.>>33078459Include this >>33078050 at least if you're going purely binary.
>>33078476and then PROF goes too far and people cry railroading.
>>33078489I'm not including that. In no way does it coincide with Cerulean's current emotional state, the fact that she's being strangled in this nightmare allow it.Like with the Araraki, there's a disconnect here between you guys as players and the character.See, it's like this. You're trying to rationalize emotion and traumas. It doesn't work like that. There is no place for something like that.She is being affected. She's having a really hard time right now. That kind of rationale is evasive.
>>33078624>state, nor does the fact that she's being strangled in this nightmare allow it.
>>33078624It's because of the Araraki that people are trying harder to disconnect themselves from what you're trying to railroad us into.No. I realized it when I voted for it that it didn't fit. But I voted for it anyway because I want to show you how little I think of your decisions in the story.
>>33078624Same here>>33078644You've been a douche about character development the entire thread.I don't care if doesn't fit because it's clear you no longer care about any input at all, you railroading bastard.
>>33078624I figured as much. I don't mind, but I suppose the danger is what happens next, with what you do with Ceru's personality afterwards.Like I said here >>33078476, as long as >>33078289 gets fulfilled ANYTIME AFTER the dream, I don't think a lot of people will have a problem.
>>33078624You're a faggot, Prof.Yeah. That's obvious what you're saying about it not fitting. But I voted for it anyway since you're a jackass.Go. Edit it. Make it fit. Actually try to incorporate our suggestions instead of just ignoring it. You create the problem. You prove everyone right by acting like this.
>>33078624Ok, here's the thing. Acknowledge intent, or at least a motion towards the desired thing.Obviously people can't just say "I overcome my mental problems and win", but efforts (or at least actions seen as efforts) should be steered towards even if they cannot be reasonably reached in a single step.
Ok, so let me understand.We fought the Nargacuga, but people felt the fight was weak.We entered Rocket Mode, and it acted very dis-similar to how it was expected.We're discussing with the Araraki now, and people feel they have no control over the MC's personality.Professor asks questions about how to be better, but does not seem to be listening to the responses.Is this correct?
>>33078624I voted for it to show you what direction we want to take this character in.Away from whatever you're forcing on us.
>>33078644>>33078659>>33078687At this point it's useless talking to you, so I'm just gonna say I hate you so god damn much. I pray to the lord that you're just one asshole samefag, there can't really be 3 jackasses in this thread so disgusting.
>>33078624Professor, two things you can do to make your players happier:1. Say "I was wrong, and I am sorry" about some matter important to Ceru's character or the story.2. Ask the players what direction they'd like Ceru's character or the story to take, and then implement the player's wishes.Admitting you are wrong is OK. Asking how to be right is OK. It'll resolve a lot of the drama.
>>33078693tagging on that we -were- fairly adequately warned of the dangers of rocket mode, something people seem very eager to shout down as "irrelevant to the discussion"
>>33078624Nobody cares what you think. What matters is what you do.So you going to keep acting like the boogeyman everyone has set you up to be? Or are you actually going to use your brain here and incorporate the suggestion to fit and go in the direction that's desired?
>>33078718well, they all are over a minute apart. it is feasible
>>33078721Unless people start going full moron after asking for agency ala Jaeger.
>>33078718After reading I highly suspect that its the same dude
>>33078624As much as ceru -can- reach for that, try. An afterthought, maybe. Something that can be moved toward in later "encounters".Flat out "No" is never a good thing as a G/QM. It's far more diplomatic to work along Yes but... (it will be a drawn out process) (it will be a goal) (you won't get the full effect)
>>33078624You're being foolish again. When will you ever learn?
always nice to see yet another shit quest go down in flames.how long now until faggot op leaves in tears?
>>33078832Ygg is stronger than tears.If anything, the guy that can't hide the samefagging is flustered.
>>33078832He won't cry because he's an emotionless bastard.
>>33078850Hah. You're completely outnumbered by the people shitting on Prof, so all you can do is accuse people of samefagging. You can't even address any of the arguments. This happens so much, it's laughable whatever the defense force has to come up with to protect their precious QM's dignity.
>>33078884The greatest real extent of "defense" I've seen over the last few threads has been people pointing out that the playerbase hasn't been flawless angels who've done everything they could know of.We did drop the ball a few times, something Ygg grabbed and promptly ran out of the field with.
>>33078884for real though, you're getting actively annoying.
>>33078925stop taking the bait anon
>>33078884Shitting on Ygg does nothing though, he doesn't care.The only thing it does is make it harder for the people who are trying to make a pointed argument for why he's wrong, in slim hope of changing something.
>>33078884I'm quite certain there's at least 4 people arguing against Ygg, and 2 of 4 is a samefag.And if you've been following the entire thread, you'd note that Ceru going nu-uh and attempting to use anon's reasoning to argue is well OOC.>next you'll say, muh logic works fine with teenage girls
>>33078922>We did drop the ball a few times, something Ygg grabbed and promptly ran out of the field with.Drop the ball how?The ones defending him couldn't even defend the fact that his 'clues' in the fight were shitty. They either admitted that or used it as justification that we shouldn't have taken the fight. All poorly made arguments to excuse Prof.
>>33078948>does nothing thoughHardly.>>33078958mug logic works fine with teenage girlsespecially since it's totally appropriateStop sucking his cock since only shit is coming out of your mouth now.
>>33078961the rocket mode catastrophe, mostly. and general audience arrogance.things that have been blown out of proportion.
>>33079011How is that related to how shitty the fight was?
>>33079011Actually, people were saying the fight was shitty even before yesterday's thread. You can check it out right in the archive. People were already complaining about how bad the fight was at the end of thread 49.
oh fo the love of god will you guys shut up and quit bitching you said your opinions now quit hanging on to them and focus on playing the quest. also quit calling ygg a asshole it serves no purpose but to annoy the person supplying a well written source if entertainment, if you have complaints its ok to say them but throwing insults and calling other people names is just childish and serves no purpose. to end this rant id like to say that if a person doesn't like how things are going they are free to leave and view another quest, but they could at least be polite enough to not spam hate posts. side note fuck the captcha
>>33079020>>33079037It's not, but the fight being shitty isn't the only thing being discussed here.ah, but you're both (assumption) going back to the very thing mentioned earlier, narrowing things down to the point where contradictory arguments become invalid.I'll stop talking now.
>>33079042I agree whole heatedly with this guy.
>>33079037Yeah, I'll have to agree, the fight was somewhat shitty. Either /tg/ can't parse prose, or Ygg's hints are too buried in prose.Meet halfway?>>33079042They're not really interested in doing that. Pointless sniping and bitching has been a pastime for questers.
>>33079042That's idiotic. The one reason people stay to complain is to shit on the QM. This is the internet. This is 4chan. Plus, Prof's never shat on this hard normally. Only when he does something stupid. It wasn't even that bad the first time, but it just keeps getting worst since people are getting more used to Prof ignoring any advice. That was what drove the argument last thread too. Prof asked for advice in the past and just ignored it all.
>>33079042> a well written source if entertainment>well writtenHaIf he'd listen to suggestions, it would be.
>>33079054Hey, I'm a different guy. No need to blow me off with that other guy.
>>33079042It's not that well-written. It's tolerable, mostly. People came for the adventures he promised. Which he failed to deliver. And he's shitting everything up worse.
>>33079117It could be good though, we just need to give him advice rather than insults.And he needs to read, understand, agree with and then implement the advice.
Gettin' pretty sick of these righteously indignant anons.If they spent maybe an hour going on about how prof was awful, fine. But now they've gone for like six hours straight, and another like six hours in the last thread, and it delegitimizes any point they were trying to make by painting them as madmen or whiners.
>>33079132>adviceHow long have you even been here? The insults have escalated BECAUSE he refuses to act civilly. He never takes any advice.
This quest works better when its once a week or at least spaced out a day in between threads.tempers need a' settling
>>33079132The problem is that Prof never implements advice.>>33079151We were actually good early on. Then Prof screwed up again.
>>33079151that doesn't actually help. It makes people forget key elements as well, leading to more fuckups and less competent choices.
>>33079159lingering butthurt from yesterday was destined to happen.its just 6 hours of bitching and counterbitching
>>33079186No, go ahead and read the posts. Nothing from yesterday was even mentioned until someone brought it up as a reason why Prof was being treated "unfairly".Everything was golden until Prof started railroading the character and refused to own up to it.
>>33079146They have valid complaints, but it's mixed in with anger and insults.>>33079159How do we get Prof to implement advice?How do we make him say "I'm sorry, I was wrong, what should the MC have done instead? how should that conversation / fight have gone?"
>>33079203>How do we get Prof to implement advice?He said he would in the past. But then he didn't. So all that's left is to shit on him because he's shitting on everyone else.
Cerulean struggles for a moment as her airways are blocked, the psychic girl's fingers curled around her throat with unusual strength, her fingers like vice grips refusing to let go. Alexis's face is painted with anger, accusations and fury.But Cerulean understands that this is her fault, as the tears of stress bead from her eyes, as the fingers affixed to her throat squeeze tighter, robbing her of voice or breath. She's sorry. She's sorry for what she's done.Sabrina's head hangs over your shoulder as you relax to accept judgement. “That's a good little monster. You hurt someone. When you hurt someone you need to beg forgiveness. Now tell her that you're sorry.”You mouth the words, but only a squeak comes out. The fingers tighten at your throat. How are you supposed to apologize like this?“Go on. What are you waiting for?” Sabrina's words pester you, tickling your ears like mocking children. She knows you can't. How could you apologize when she's doing this to you?You try again, harder now and barely wheezing out the words, “I...m... soh....ree.”The fingers let go, and Alexis drops you, suddenly towering over you, looking down on you.Her face has become emotionless, neither truly forgiving or judging, “Say that to him.” She points beyond you, over your shoulder.Your eyes follow and you see red feathers, Kurojo resting with an icicle lodged in his head.“No... I didn't! He's okay. No, he's okay.” You turn back to Alexis, her and Sabrina looking down at you. You shake your head, “No, he's okay. I didn't do that. I didn't do that. I'm a monster but... But I didn't hurt Jojo!”
>>33079221You.You've been doing this for about six hours, two threads in a row, because you are very angry he didn't take your advice.That's a really shitty thing to do.
>>33079201Well if the railroading is obvious, it doesn't need to be stated.As a player, we didn't have agency in the Nar-kage fight, we didn't have agency when we were talking to the Araraki, and we didn't have agency in the dream sequence.What is our role as players, if all the decisions are being made for us by the QM?Or, do we have no role as players, and are instead spectators to the story?
>>33079203>How do we get Prof to implement advice?Get him to admit his mistakes first. Which is never, since he's a prideful guy.
Tears run down Cerulean's face as she denies the phantasms. She balls, up rocking and sobbing,”No, no... I didn't hurt Kurojo...”“Then who would?” Sabrina asks.“Someone did it.” Alexis's face unflinching.“I don't know. It wasn't me, I wouldn't...”“Then who.”There's a dull thud from behind you, and you turn to see Kurojo's body fall to the floor, limp with a fresh shard of ice lodged in his brain, dark blood staining his ruby feathers. A girl of white, the other girl walks up, in the regalia of the rockets.With a trembling hand, you point, catching the culprit, the killer red handed. “She did it!” You shout, passing the blame from you.“Oh?” Sabrina sounds unbelieving, and somewhat confused. “But Cerulean... You're pointing to yourself.”It's then that you realize that you're looking into a mirror, Kurojo bleeding out on the floor next to you. “No. No. No. No. No!”“I don't want that! I just wanted to protect people! To make mom happy! Why is this happening?” You begin to run, leaving Alexis and Sabrina behind in the glass.It feels like you've been running forever, when your feet finally grow heavy, your legs tired. You stop to catch your breath, a white blur working its way across your vision. “What?” Catching it, you find that it remains upon your cold hands. A snowflake, pristine and beautiful.“If you want to protect them... Then you need to choose Ceru.” A familiar voice calls out from beyond a gentle snowblind. The outline of her red hair all you can see as thick soundless flurries separate you two.“Choose what?”“You need to choose... What makes a human. And what makes a monster. If not all monsters are bad, then doesn't that mean not all people are good? My dear daughter...”“Mom...” You reach out for her outline, yet it disappears in the flurry, leaving you alone once more.
>>33079221Can we get Prof to admit and understand that he's ignoring the players' inputs and wishes?If he does that, then he can say "I'm sorry for ignoring you, what should I have written instead?">>33079243By mistakes I assume you mean how the players aren't influencing the story, and how the QM is auto-ing our character?Because that is too obvious for him to miss, he must have admitted that already.If you mean some other mistake, then what mistake do you mean?You're right, though. I don't recall getting an "I'm sorry for being bad" out of Prof.
>>33079295>he must have admitted that already.Never. Not even with the wrecked ship mission. The most he's ever done to admit he's done wrong there is say "it's something that the majority didn't like". It's galling because it shows how little he cares about everyone.
>>33079245Well, we already realized not all people were good. Bad people happen.We still think most of 'em are though.
>>33079245>then doesn't that mean not all people are goodObviously.
>>33079245>“You need to choose... What makes a human. And what makes a monster."But I did that.Then rocket training ignored it, and went off doing its own thing.The point is, it doesn't matter WHAT I decide here, or HOW I behave - because my decisions and behaviour are out of my control.
>>33079245so are we going to get a choice or is ceru just gonna define those two very important choices on her own without any input from the players?
>>33079319>The most he's ever done to admit he's done wrong there is say "it's something that the majority didn't like"Well that's almost saying "I'm sorry for upsetting the majority".That's good, he should do that more often.And maybe he could ask what the majority would like instead, and then do that. It'll make a lot of people happy.>>33079343Ceru's emotional state prevents the spectators from making a decision.
>>33079245I didn't think we had a problem seeing Sabrina as a bad person? Like we were never in denial that there were bad people in the dome, the objections were for the Araraki tarring us all with the same brush.What revelation are you trying to convey?
>>33079384Prof did not see the objections; canonically they have not happened. Anon wrote the words but the thoughts didn't go into Ceru's head, because we're not controlling Ceru. Prof is controlling Ceru.
>>33079245Sabrina hated Bruise because he wasn't a pure human. Why wouldn't we have thought she was bad from that point?We can accept that she's Goldie's mom and that we hope he cares for her in some way. We can say she's bad for hating Bruise too. Really, all we can say is that people are complex and can't be purely called good or evil.The faster you get us to this conclusion, the less of an ass you are.
>>33079245God. Less drama from you, Prof. It's always been one of your worst skills because of how hamfisted and dense you are.
>>33079340Actually I think the secret here is that "Rocket Mode" isn't something Giovanni inserted.in every Rocket. It came from inside, with our own predatory grafts, trauma from training, suppressed memories and shit.Marine doesn't have one, it's just the result of our crazy.
>>33079474How can we determine if this is true or not?If it is true, how can we change it?It's an interesting theory but I think it's irrelevant - regardless of the why or the how, we HAVE rocket mode, and it's not going to change.
Has Bruise been in charge of Lilac this the entire time ?
>>33079527We don't know.
>>33079539Its a sitcom waiting to happen
>>33079527Sanna was put in charge of Lilac, not Bruise.
>>33079637I guess Lilac will just have to be the Whacky neighbor
>>33079559That's assuming we ever get back to the dome.It's best not to hope for it.>>33079647Conjecture is fun tho.
>>33079654Actually, it's very likely we'll get back to the Dome. It's really distinctive, so there's no way we can miss it. If you saw the map made of Kanto, the search area for it is also small.
>>33079654saucy anon pls
>>33079676Well, it's either Inevitable or Impossible.
>>33079699It's impossible for it to be impossible, then.
>>33079654Why would we go there? Its filled with evil people. Let's just live out here in a mud hut and start a catbird family with our soulmate
>>33079713Fuck yeah, guaranteed dome!
>>33079724Yeah. Come here anon. Let me hold you in your excitement!
>>33079723No, because Muh Conditions, Muh Feels, Muh Emotions, it's not IN CHARACTEER>>33079735You. Stop being homosexual.
“I'm sorry Jojo. I'm sorry...” Cerulean repeats this over and over again as she walks alone through a frozen wasteland... >What will her choice be?> Find the other girl. She needs to go away. She needs to stop.> Wake up.(Sorry about the wait. Had a whole other thing typed and tossed it because it didn't seem right to bring it up right now. Big choice for the future though.)
>>33079746I want to talk to the other girl and try to convince her of things.Who Friend is.Who Enemy is.Can I do this? Because I should be able to do this.
>>33079746> Find the other girl. She needs to go away. She needs to stop.there might be fight scene
>>33079746>>33079767Yeah. Let's do this. Assert control. That's all.
>>33079746> Find the other girl. She needs to go away. She needs to stop.I'm not saying she should go away, but we definitely need to have a heart to heart.
>>33079746> Find the other girl. She needs to go away. She needs to stop.Can we at least go yell at her shit for a while?I don't necessarily need rocket mode gone, or some big admonation of the dome or anything, but you almost shot our allies in the back, you idiot rocket mode.If you shot them in the back, we would have ALL DIED.This is BAD.
>>33079746Finding the other girl is the trap option. She's stronger than us, and losing here means rocket mode permanently when we wake up.
>>33079746>>33079767> Find the other girl. She needs to go away. She needs to stop.Seconding.
>>33079746> Find the other girl. She needs to go away. She needs to stop.
>>33079746> Find the other girl. She needs to go away. She needs to stop
are we going to hug her?
>>33079746> Find the other girl. She needs to go away. She needs to stop.Dominate Rocket Mode properly. Take full control of it.
>>33079785If it's a trap option it'll be railroaded regardless, so let's keep going and see what happens
>>33079817He's dangling obvious bait so he can point to our vote and say we chose this.
>>33079746> Find the other girl. She needs to go away. She needs to stop.Let's fucking hurry up. There's no need at all to wait half an hour before you even start writing.
>>33079746> Find the other girl. She needs to go away. She needs to stop.>>33079829His fault. Everyone wants it out of the way already. No one wants to prolong it because it's dumb.
>>33079829>>33079785Oy prof:>>33079746I suggest you set a trap for the other girl, to immobilize her. A pit trap. Like for a tiger. Real deep.She can't think of plans, and that is the reason we can beat her easily.
>>33079746I'm gonna pick calling you a jackass who is just throwing vague trap options at us to justify fucking with us.
>>33079746What I want to happen:>We talk to the girl and convince her to upgrade her IFFWhat is no doubt going to happen:>We meet her, immediately get into a fight, get #rekt and get our shit taken over
fight or we beat her by hugging
You begin to move, to seek out the other girl, your other self. Walking across a desolate dreamscape of tundra, the sky beginning to whiten with cloudcover and snowfall increasing, until you can barely see more than a few feet ahead.You feel that the more you seek out the other self, the harder it'll be to find her as this place, this dream resists.You walk into something solid, smashing your nose against it, and recoiling back before you get a good look at what you ran into... The snow parts, wrapping around you some to flurry and whip at your back. There you see your own reflection, a girl staring back at you in rocket blacks, her eyes crimson and her posture stoic.“Weakling.” Is the first thing that she says, a crude curl of her upper lip, revealing her teeth.The word bites Cerulean hard than she'd expect it to, flinching at that word alone. With a gathering of her courage though, she screams back,”I am not!”“You are.” The crimson-eyed girl stares back, unphased. Her stance a picture-perfect example of Rocket “at attention.”“You are a weakling, a coward, and Alexis died because of you.”The girl in the mirror's accusations cut, but Cerulean's already heard it, “And I'm sorry for it! I didn't mean to... But you're the one that was going to hurt Jojo! Why would you do that?”“Because I'm the rocket that boss wants. I'm the good girl, you're the bad girl. You conspire with monsters. You're forgetting about the dome.”“But boss never said that they were bad! I'd remember something like-”“-You'd FORGET something like that.” The girl paces apart fron you, the wind howling across the snowdrifts in a silent dance, “A rocket's duty is to exterminate all threats to the dome and promote the welfare of the people.”“I know but-”
>>33080042we could do the accepting her as part of us thing and find inner peace thing ir sum such bs......
>>33080104anyway goodnight and hopefully you calm down eventually
>>33080090Yell at her shit.She almost got us all killed.This is our ONLY plan for getting home.
“And until recently you've had no reason to suspect the monster of acting against the dome.” The girl in the mirror raising her hand, “Until our index was taken. One of them has done it, and conspires against us- and Rocket Leader. All of these nonhumans are suspect until it is recovered, do I make myself clear?”> “Ma'am, yes ma'am!”> “No! You're crazy!”> Wake up.> (Other)
>>33080090Remember the Rocket Motto.>To unite all peoples within our nation!
>>33080150> “No! You're crazy!”Shoot first ask questions later is not proper investigative method
>>33080150> (Other)>>33080153Remember this. They are not non-humans. They are part of our people. If one of them stole it, it's not because they're a monster. It's because they're a criminal. And we will deal with them fairly, as we would anyone else in the Dome.
>>33080150> Yes, but you're crazy!
>>33080150> (Other)How would shooting him in the middle of a pitched battle get us our index back OR help us in a fight, you crazy idiot?
>>33080150> “No! You're crazy!”
>>33080150Ooh>>33080153Yes. Remember our motto. We're not going to act like savages. We're THE LAW.>You're not the one leading this mission to return to the Dome. I am. And I won't even tolerate your insubordination.
>>33080150>Other>If one of them has taken it, it's because they're trying to force their ideas on me. I won't have them OR you choose the way for me. I MAKE my own decisions. Do I make myself clear?
>>33080150"You don't shoot suspects!"And can we hold off on the murderkill AT LEAST until we get the index back?
>>33080150>OtherIf they're suspects, then they should be treated as suspects. Not monsters or wild animals.>>33080153Repeat the Rocket oath. Emphasize>To unite all peoples within our nation!
>>33080150>All of these nonhumans are suspect until it is recovered, do I make myself clear?”oh god, I just realized.It's marine. she's the one who took the indices. She wants to stay here, she's been throwing herself headfirst into it, more and more so every day. She's tried to convince us to stay too.But it is impossible for us to suspect this, so -> (Other)>>33080153Rocket motto may or may not help, but at least put in something along the lines of "not making too much of a scene about it so we don't scare away the thief"
>>33080279Yeah, that could be it. I can't remember if we recovered at the exact same time, though.
>>33080090>A rocket's duty is to exterminate all threats to the dome and promote the welfare of the people.Yes, but Jojo's more useful to that alive than dead. He helps me fight against monsters, and will help me get home, where I can be of better use to the dome.... Unless you know something I don't?
>>33080279>"not making too much of a scene about it so we don't scare away the thief">>33080298That part is kind of dumb, though. Too kitschy to roleplay with yourself.
>>33080150> “No! You're crazy!”And listen to these other Anons explaining -why-.Even if it can't convince Rocket!Ceru, I want Player!Ceru to at least express the players' complaints, clearly, using words.
>>33080150"...Do you think you're an Esper?I ASKED YOU A QUESTION MAGGOT.Because it sounds to me, like you've forgotten the Boss's voice, and at are hearing Sabrina instead. Last I checked, we're a Rocket, not one of those high and mighty Saffrons, so excuse me for not putting up with your treasonous insubordination.And I see you clearly forgot the Indigo Reports that Boss trusted us with, where we saw how one of the Elite Four handled these people, and they ARE people, Boss was quite specific on that. Did you forget that he took Bruise in and treated him just like the rest of us? Did you forget he explicitly told us that all these monsters are human? That.was privileged information so I certainly hope not.And more than that, have you forgotten what it means to be a Rocket altogether? It means accomplishing the mission no matter what, which means not getting killed by the locals you Esper's pet."
>>33080361Can't write a speech on a cell phone, but the gist is that that Giovanni never demonstrated what RM is raving about. Even though he's crooked and shady, he wasn't a racist, too much of an opportunist for that.Most of this comes straight from Medusa, and she's a cunt.
>>33080150> (Other)Even though she sees them all as a threat, she has to understand that the only way we're going to get our index back is if we prioritize our search by likely suspects, instead of just throwing out all evidence and suspecting everyone equally (which puts us further behind than before)>>33080361The exact tone isn't going to fly, but maybe when we actually have an opening we can use the Indigo Reports as leverage to change her mind.
>>33080150while true we need to find the one who took our index, her methods are awful.
>>33080150We're not going to be winning her over with any argument right now, our best bet is to work with her while holding our position of keeping the allies that we have while trying to take ground through topical arguments each time this comes up.as it stands, we should probably agree on the urgency of finding the index while pushing discretion as a focus in the investigation.
“To protect the world from devastation.To unite all peoples with our nation.To denounce the evils of truth and love.To extend our reach to the stars above.” It's the other girl that recites it back to you, and she leers at you cold and hard,” They are not our people, and our world is the dome. “No, you're wrong! Killing them isn't the answer! This isn't what I was trained-”“It's what I was trained to do.” The girl stares at you, her gun still raised. “Weakling.” That word cuts deep once more, “You couldn't handle the training. You're a bad girl. Kill the monsters and recover the index.” She snipes, and you've had enough.“What are you, Sabrina?!” That quiets her. “I don't care anymore. I don't care who's a human and who's not. And if it's like that I don't care about the index either, it's not going to help us get home! Kurojo is! Kurojo, and Nala, and the other 'momsters' that you want to kill so much! They're people too!”Your other self stares at you for a moment, without saying a word. You huff and puff, breathing hard from your yelling. “It doesn't matter.” You say again, stressing that point.“Boss said-”“Boss said from the indigo reports, that they're not bad. We can work with them, right?”The girl in the mirror seems to get touchier at that, “You really are a bad girl. Boss will be mad about this.”“What do you mean by that?” You ask, and yet the girl fires on you without another word, blacking out your vision with an icicle.
Awakening with a start, you find yourself in the Hunter's camp. Your arm still feels like it's been stabbed with a thousand needles and then crushed. You wince, as it continues to throb, the pain more than a little bit blinding. You still have to be careful with it.. and your insides still feel messed to bits. Not as raw as yesterday though.You push up and yawn, carefully stretching your back and flexing your tail a bit before you rub the sleepiness from your eyes. You feel like you had a really weird dream... And that you should apologize to Alexis when you see her again. And Jojo- You look up, and find him staring down at you, a smile ath the corners of his mouth. “Hey, good to see you awake. You kept saying my name, are you okay?”>[End Thread]
>>33080599mental problems usually aren't deal in sitting sadly.thanks for running
First priority, get the index back without acting like a prick, preferably though diplomacy and -after- Ceru has time to rest and clear her head so there are no filters between what we type and what she says.We have control, use it to achieve things that undermine RM's statements.
>>33080599We need to rid ourselves of RM, period. I dont give a fuck people think.
>>33080580>“To protect the world from devastation.>To unite all peoples with our nation.>To denounce the evils of truth and love.>To extend our reach to the stars above.” >It's the other girl that recites it back to you, and she leers at you cold and hard,” They are not our people, and our world is the dome.This better be set in the works for a reversal, Prof, after dealing with all this angst.
>>33080599So if we go back, we will tell Boss everything, and are therefore damned. So there is no turning back, ever. Going back is now a death sentence, or at least being completely rewritten out of being a character.
>>33080599Since you aren't going to run it for a really long time anyway, I may as well ask in here.You re-did the hydrokinesis/Ice/Steam in Overlimit. The way it worked out means that now we have effective Adept rank when using Ice.Does this mean Asher could form Ice from nothing and start getting into the more abstract uses of the element?
>>33080690I agree. she's trigger happy and a distraction.
>>33080725>that one guy still going on about thatIt must get pretty lonely supporting your cause all alone.
>>33080731No she is a traitor and a monster, she will tell Boss or whomever holds her keywords hostage absolutely everything down to the last little detail. RM is a monster that undermines our ability to be a MC in a quest period. She is a lethal and hateful threat to the quest itself.
>>33080752When its the truth, loneliness doesn't matter. We can hide nothing from the boss in our current state, that much has been made blatantly fucking clear. RM will tell the boss everything, boss will, seeing that Ceru doesnt trust him and sees through his deceptions and lies, have Ceru be completely overwritten and probably be replaced by RM. And suddenly we are no longer an MC.
>>33080790>seeing that Ceru doesnt trust himSo lonely that you start getting delusional.
>>33080580>“Boss said from the indigo reports, that they're not bad. We can work with them, right?”>The girl in the mirror seems to get touchier at that, “You really are a bad girl. Boss will be mad about this.”>“What do you mean by that?” You ask, and yet the girl fires on you without another word, blacking out your vision with an icicle.God damnit, is RM meant to be seen as defective, or did you suddenly disagree on what kind of bad guy you wanted Giovanni to be?Because I saw him as the one who would gladly sell out the Dome and work with the poke-races if it meant being on top.
>>33080790Haha, oh wow.
>>33080759Thats a bit much
>>33080759She's also something that's not going to be dealt with in one sitting, or by yelling our morals at her, or, most likely, by any actual fighting.Going to have to work this out over a long time, break that side's willpower by defying expectations, and assume control.
>>33080790But we do trust him. What we're objecting to is that RM isn't actually Rocket Mode, but has been completely compromised by Sabrina.
So we all agree? Other Ceru has got to go.
>>33080795Ok so theres a personality in your head that threatens to kill your friends, murders acquaintances and in general ruin you, your life and everything you ever loved or ever REMOTELY cared about. This personality worship the boss as a god. So would you trust boss after that?>>33080816>>33080813For weeks i told people that we were a brainwashed wreck, a timebomb waiting to fucking go off. And no one believed me. You all told me to shut the fuck up and go crawl off into a hole and die. Now that i have been so clearly proven right, you all are putting your denial games on. FUCK OFF!>>33080834Sabrina hasnt come up in quest since we left the Dome. Why the hell would she have corrupted the mental condition/brainwashing the Boss put in us, and why wouldn't we have noticed it before?
>>33080580We do totally care about the index though.Just, you know, not enough to sabotage our entire chance of getting home.We'll get it back. Without killing them. You watch, shadow-me.
>>33080901Yes. Of course.
>>33080812Like it seems as if RM is hinting that she knows the Boss better than us, and he really would get us programmed with such a suicidal instinct, which frankly makes him a disappointment as a future antagonist.
>>33080901>For weeks i told people that we were a brainwashed wreck, a timebomb waiting to fucking go off. And no one believed me. You all told me to shut the fuck up and go crawl off into a hole and die. Now that i have been so clearly proven right, you all are putting your denial games on. FUCK OFF!No. For close to a year, people have known we were following Giovanni like a zealot.You're being a retard. Worse than that, you're a retard who images himself to be some kind of martyr.No one has a problem with following the Boss. What people have a problem with is not following on our own terms. So shut the fuck up and stop trying to twist history.
>>33080932Its not like there's a shortage of Rockets
>>33080901If you had provided evidence that Rocket Mode was going to backfire like THIS, we would've believed you more. But you were extremely emotional and completely irrational while you were warning us, and because of that, we did not believe you.Please compose yourself in the future.
The boss is fine. Our rocket training is just programmed into us PRE indigo reports.Which means it doesn't care about the indigo reports.
>>33080901No. "For weeks" is you backpedaling and trying to come up with an argument to defend yourself with. But you're still a dumbass.
>>33080941Actually I'm pretty sure there are, and Giovanni is more concerned with quality than quantity.It's why there isn't thousands of Ratata and Zubat rockets.
>>33080901Are you retarded?The Boss said it himself. The reason why not everyone knows the Indigo Reports is so that people won't hesitate if we're ever forced into a war with the outside races. We're soldiers.
>>33080941There is a massive shortage of ones with as good genes as Cerulian, daughter of one of the elite four.He wouldn't just up and waste a resource like that.
>>33080968True, but we're not currently at war with them.If anything, our goal should be to gather intel and assess whether or not they're useful to the Dome.
>>33080941There's a shortage of people with the Elite 4's capacity for power.And yes, there's a "shortage" of Rockets. They're the Elite.
>>33080982Our goals are 1. get the fuck back to the dome2. bring as much information as we can carry.
A little teaser for what may be the eventual future...You stand before an iceberg towering higher than anything you've ever known.You peer inside and for a moment, you think that you see an ancient beast trapped within, old, decrepit and frozen in time. Yet in the next instant the ice glazes over, becoming Rocket Black... and Snowy White.
>>33080982Except we were never intended for that sort of task as a cadet. We were granted special knowledge of them because of extenuating circumstances. As such, we're still just meant to be soldiers. Not ambassadors.
>>33080580>our world is the DomeIt's nice how she just completely ignored what >to extend our reach to the stars aboveMEANS.You can't grab the stars and drag them out of the sky with a glass ceiling in the way.
>>33081005Huh...so we are going to have that encounter eh?
>>33081012Which is why it's so ripe for a reversal next time.
>>33081007as soldiers, our goal is to report back by any means necessary.as ELITEs, our goal is to report back by any means necessary without causing an interraccial war and with as much info as possible.
>>33080949or they didn't bother putting indigo reports in.unlike frothing at the mouth anon, I'm not going to advocate turning our back on the Dome at this juncture. But after these last two sessioins, I am not a fan of Rocket mode and would rather it be removed completely from Ceru. Its a detriment to getting home by being irrational, misplacing priorities,prone to violence, and a danger to our non dome allies.
>>33081035And? Do you even remember where this reply chain started?
>>33081042>they didn't bother putting indigo reports inThat's exactly what I said. Indigo reports are secret, so they weren't included in the standard rocket programming.Which is a big liability out here when knowledge of the indigo reports and friendly monsters is keeping us alive.
>>33081005duel of the mind(s)?
>>33081042Look i just want to know. Why do you people want to go back to the Dome?
>>33081005...Kyurem? Oh dear.Also if I recall correctly, the central divide between Zekrom and Reshiram, between Black and White, was between Ideals and Truth.So. That'll be fun.
>>33081073Reshiram/Zekrom And Kyurem. We may meet the three dragons of Yin, Yang and Wu.
>>33081075No one answer this guy.
>>33081075Our friends are there, our only contact to our parent is there, there are numerous people living safe lives, our standing orders to report back to the dome if we ever stray for the sake of survival, the inferior aura-based healthcare...
>>33081075...Our Mom, our friends? Any of which could be dead by now due to the dangerous life we live?
>>33081073Covered in ice. Black and White 2.
>>33081075friends and family mostly.Mom specifically shows that the Rocket Mentality is not the only mentality in the Dome.I still hold hope that a peaceful option can be reached and will continue thinking so until proven otherwise.
>>33081116Yeah. I think we can get the index back without hurting anyone.Though we might have to search someone's shit.
>>33081116>>33081098>>33081096How can you people believe that when we get back that life will even return back to a semblance of what it once was? We have had time to see the darkness that lies within the Dome, within the human society made of survivors of the wrath of the gods, within the monstrosity of what was done to us to get us into this state? If we go back they will try and restore the level of control they had before we were washed away. You would really accept that? You would really want that?
>>33081144Long as we're still loyal, and we report to rockets first, we don't have to worry about mind tampering.Giovanni is really cool about shit like that.
>>33081144Stop being so delusional, anon. Obviously, you force your way through and deal with problems as they come up.
>>33081144We could just quit the Rockets if need be, their influence is not absolute.I understand your concerns but we do not have all the information and I prefer not to act rashly.we have to remain calm and react accordingly. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
>>33081160Giovanni is the one whom did the tampering in the first place. So what reasons do i have to trust the man?>>33081161Problem with that is as soon as we go back we will be reprocessed and RM will give the Rocket Execs "her" report. They will know we were becoming aware of what Rocket Mode actually entails. They will then forcibly stop this by any means necessary. We wont have a chance to "force our way through it".>>33081186I honestly WANT to know if Marine has a RM in her brain as well. Because if she doesnt, i suspect this might have been forced upon us because of whom our mother is. Giovanni wants to keep her out of his hair, basically holding us hostage is a good way to do that. I highly suspect thats why we have this "Rocket Mode" in the first place. Just so the boss can keep a check on Mom and her power over him.
>>33081254Rocket mode is just our emotional damage at going through stupid intense training. Deal with it.
>>33081270Ice Queen makes sense now, doesn't it?
>>33081270Then please explain why it is so mission focused and "knows" that apparently everyone is a threat, even fucking Jojo for some reason due to our index being missing and demands we kill everyone whom isnt Marine. Because im sure Jojo, whom we have told alot of our story to, would steal our index to sell of to the tuskless whom he is utterly scared shitless of and doesn't want their attention or whomever the fuck. Because that makes sense if its just emotional damage right?
>>33081254a distinct possibility. But assumptions aren't enough, proof is needed.We haven't seen the last of other Ceru, hopefully we'll be able to glean more information from her and get a concrete idea of the situation at hand.>>33081296It was Other Ceru's nickname?
>>33081299Because it's not very mission focused at all and is just clinging to whatever it can to assume authority.It gave not a shit about indexes or missions when it was shooting at kurojo.
>>33081296It made sense before too, ygg.
>>33081296I still have a problem that RM Ceru saw everyone in the bar as targets, presumably including Jojo.
Anyone else want Rocket mode gone?
>>33081311>Kill all the monster.>Return to the Dorms.>Return to Boss.Sounds like a standing order to me if ever there was one. Yknow a Mission for it to follow just in case its ever separated from other orders/authority figures in the Rocket organization.
>>33081336It's really fucking up parts two and three of that, then.Because it's not mission focused at all, has no long term planning, and is a function of emotional trauma.
>>33081335Yeah, it seems to be a problem.We should probably get a rocket esper to help remove it and re-integrate the training.
>>33081296Well yeah. Predicted this a long time ago too. Except with Evil mode, which you've shuttled off.
>>33081347Because it doesn't have total control. If it DID it would probably have murdered anything that we made friends with. And just kept killing and killing until it reached the second and third parts. Or died in the process.What im saying is, RM needs to go before it becomes US. Before Ceru is a distant and fading memory in her own fucking head. And going back to the Dome isnt going to help us with that. The Rocket Execs would just speed up the process of doing this.
>>33081335after the last thread, I just can't advocate keeping it. We can be a ranger without it.
>>33081407The rockets would probably actually help to remove rocket mode, as it proved to be wildly unhelpful and self destructive in this expedition. Give us some therapy time, and whatnot.
>>33081407Rather, we want it to become US. We don't want to become IT.
>>33081270In short, it knows nothing. It tries to command us around, but it has no idea what to do at all.
>>33081407Dude, Yggdrasil pretty much confirmed the idea that this wasn't part of Giovanni's plan, Marine doesn't have this in her head, it's more that a: we endured some unbelievably harsh training, b: have some traumatizing memories we suppressed, and c: got grafted to something really nasty, pretty sure we got it added to our -brain-. All that shit added up to what you see before you.We're mentally unwell, and our coping mechanism has now gone haywire.
>>33081430I'd rather have it removed all together
>>33081423RM doesn't have clear orders to follow and little actual proceed for independent thought. The Rocket Execs want it this way. They want their little adorable genocide machine to follow their orders blindly. The fact that it doesnt have anything other than RETURN, pasted into its brain bin right now would explain why it is acting so impractically and erratically.
>>33081447This pretty much. We're having an incredibly stressful situation, and we're only having this "rocket mode" stuff now, when we're away from the rest of our people, suffering culture shock, and feeling enormous general apprehension.
>>33081447Link me to where he said this then.
>>33081455It's failing real bad at RETURN then.What with not using any of the information available to it.Almost as though it wasn't a cleverly programmed genocide program at all, and instead some kind of terrible monster phobia compulsion.
>>33081490If you can't be bothered to look up some posts in the same thread...