11. Fenrir Lokisson’s imprisonment by the Aesir has been controversial, to say the least. Thor, spokesman for the Aesir, claims that this was necessary to secure the safety of many people, not least the All-Father of the Aesir, Odin, and that Fenrir’s violent nature was proven when he bit off Tyr’s hand. Amnesty International and other sophont rights organizations, however, hold that his imprisonment was carried out on the basis of racial profiling and family relation, and not on any action on his part. They also note that Tyr was a principal participant in Fenrir’s illegal incarceration and that his wounds were received only in the course of these events, which involved no small amount of deception on the part of the Aesir. How do you feel about these events? #FreeFenrir#OdinLied
The Aesir are bitches, except not in a good way. As soon as we start locking up people because they *might* eat the sun, and they *might* bite the All-Father's ugly mug off, then we no longer have a society based on values of freedom and justice - but on fear instead. The Fear-mongering has to stop. It is only a tool with which to put a chain around our necks.
>>32783682You mean ribbon, right?
>>32783735Surely you jest. Oh whatever... Certainly! A ribbon of woman's beard and fish's breath. (Where do these simians get their unhinged ideas from?)
Odin's a goddamned liar. Listen, I know Fenrir personally. Great guy. Gets a little bit in your personal space sometimes, but we've all got our quirks and that's, like, some giant thing anyway, so not his fault, right?What really makes me worried is what's going to happen next. Sure they say that he'll be treated well, but don't tell me you haven't heard what they're doing to his dad. Fuckin' snake venom dripping in his face. I can feel the earth shake all the way in my living room!
>>32784218>snake venom dripping in his faceThat's Loki, not Fenris.
>>32784298>don't tell me you haven't heard what they're doing to his dad. >Fuckin' snake venom dripping in his face. I can feel the earth shake all the way in my living room!Obviously talking about Loki
>>32782045>Fenrir is going to kill Odin>The Aesir lock him up>Locking Fenrir up makes him angry enough to kill Odin
>>32784218Exactly. Besides given the kids role models he turned out about as well as can be expected anyway. Kid just needs a positive role model, Maybe put him up for adoption?I'm sure Frigg would be interested
>>32784218James Woods Hades makes a good argument, I gotta admit.
>>32784501Who's the poet-witch that supposedly made that prophecy anyway? The Aesir haven't so much as given us her name, which tells us one of two things: 1. She doesn't have a prophecy license that would verify that she's telling the truth2. She doesn't even exist. I smell a rat, and it's not the one I'm most familiar with. This is all too convenient for the Aesir.
>>32784754Frankly this entire ordeal is even starting to make me sympathize with Loki of all people.
>>32784846What has Loki done wrong? Honestly, he was the one who solved that giant debacle.I mean, sure, he also created that giant debacle...
>>32783928...From the Eddas.
>>32784877Please refer to >>32784180
I would like to point out that Tyr swore to Fenrir there would be no treachery. Tyr is an oath-breaker, and, according to the Aesir's own law, deserve to be punished by Niddhog.But did Odin respect his own law? No, my friends. No. The so-called All-Father made Tyr the god of Justice!An oath-breaker in charge of Justice! Is this a goverment, or a parody?
>>32784962Yeah, but then he fixes it! Even the flow chart shows that.Hell, it's thanks to Loki that Asgard's mighty wall was built for free, in but two days!
>>32784975Tyr swore on his hand that there would be no treachery.The oath was broken and Tyr lost his hand.Fair's fair. Fenris is not evil for taking that which he was owed.
>>32785053Sure credit where credit is due. But I am fairly sure that the free wall was a bonus to the whole endeavor for Loki there. I'm sure you have heard what they say about his ...tastes
>>32785131That is a base and vile accusation, and even if it WAS true, Odin got a free horse out of the deal!
>>32785053Let's not forget that Loki, as Odin's Blood Brother, did also have his share of "favorable ruling" in his legal troubles. Evidence A: when he bet his head in this Dwarven competition.
>>32784877>>32784846Woah, woah, let's not get crazy here. Fenrir got a raw deal, but Loki is basically the god of dicking people over. He's an asshole.
>>32785086I would call it fair. But the Aesir's legal code explicitly says that all oath-breakers are to be punished by Niddhog
>>32785239It wasn't an absolute oath, it was swearing on something and then losing the something.It wasn't an oath of honor.
>>32785214Not more than the Aesir, my friend.
>>32784754Supposedly, the prophecies of Ragnarok come from Mimir's severed heard.>>32784846Further, much of the Ragnarok mythos arose after Christian monks decided to make Loki less "Trickster God of the Aesir" and more "The Norse Satan."
>>32785168See that right there is the problem. The Aesir pretend to be above such things and all honorable and shit.You know unless Odin gets something out of it
The All-Father has been responsible for keeping Midgard safe from jotunns for thousands of years! Jotunns have proven themselves to be a vicious, merciless race that would like nothing more than to set the World Tree afire, and you want to give them that chance because of a couple of technicalities? When have the jotunns ever proven themselves to be more than monsters?If you ask me, they exterminate all the jotunns right this instant! Imprisonment is too good for Fenrir and his ilk!
>>32785277No, Loki is to the Aesir as the Aesir are to regular folk.He's like the ur-asshole.
>>32785357You could say he's the Ur-anus.
>>32785168How old is that horse anyway? I mean, should Sophont Rights Watch be checking into, I dunno, child labor or abuse or something? How deep does this shit go?
>>32785357Yeah lets rip you out of chaos, Promise to be fair and just with you, and then turn on you and see how happy and cheerful you are about the situationFucking Odin apologists.
>>32782045Aesir did nothing wrong! Fenrir was a turerist.
>>32785320And I am sure Mimir is just a completely unbiased source about this whole thing
>>32785469Exactly. You'd think these fuckers would need Valhalla blown up and the bastards responsible to sign a confession in triplicate before we should be allowed to stop them.Stop crimes before they happen.
>>32785475His head was cut off by Odin.If he is biased, I don't think it's FOR the Aesir.Though Sotckholm syndrome does exist..
>>32785340Really, Commissar? What did the Jotunns ever did ? I do not disagree on the fact than Surt self-acknowledgedly wants to destroy the world, but you cannot judge species from the acts of a few.Or should you be executed for your father's rather dubious conduct, too?
>>32784403Oh, right, sorry.Reading comprehension isn't a big thing here in Niflheim.
>>32785532The facts are>Mimir is killed by Odin>Mimir's head tell Odin Fenrir will kill him>Odin emprison Fenrir, pissing him off>The pissed off Fenrir kills OdinI'd call that a clever gambit. Mimir tricked Odin into creating his own murderer
>>32785687Does this mean Mimir's responsible? Like, if he intentionally arranged for Fenrir to be taken in like that, does he need to stand for trial for this thing like Odin should? Or was the whole "decapitated and trapped by his murderer" thing an extenuating circumstance. Truly wondering.
>>32785803You don't do norse justice do you? It'd have to be a holmgang to prove his innocence.Who'd champion for Mimir you think? He's basically automatically guilty.
>>32785803If you told me my brother was going to kill me, and I killed my brother because of that, I'd still be the one responsible.Odin is the one who did the deed.
>>32785858>holmgangI don't think court duels are permitted under international law anymore. Or are we going to avenge crimes with more crimes?
>>32785981What about a duel of word? Isn't it what most lawyer does?
>>32785981>international law>like Odin gives a fuckDid you not get the memo on law when Thor wiped his ass with the UN charter and smashed Durao Baroso with his hammer arguing "He was their champion"
>>32785687Nope. These are the real facts>Tyr was chief of the Aesir first>Tyr's gig was justice and honor and shit and that was why he was the chief, because he never lied>There's a "prophecy" that Fenrir would kill Odin and do a bunch of other bad shit>They tried to avert that without imprisoning Fenrir, by raising him among themselves>Only Tyr was brave enough to feed him>Fenrir got too big. They worried and worried and worried and decide to ensnare Fenrir>Gleipnir gambit>Only Tyr was brave enough to put his arm in Fenrir's mouth>Tyr broke his oath>Tyr abandoned his position because he felt untrustworthy>Odin stepped inThis was a fucking coup. Had nothing to do with Fenrir, really. He was just a piece of the game. Mimir's just a red herring.
>>32785396Child labour you say? what about Odins son Thor? I heard from a reasonable source that he went to Midgard and stole two human children from their father, because they ate the bones of his dead ram. The children have been working without pay for him ever since. I am beginning to think that, that whole family is morally rotten.
>>32786141I say we go in to Asser Land and do a little Democracy Introducing, if you know what I mean. There's only one God, and He sure as hell don't dress like them Assers. They're an offense against freedom and the Bible.
>>32786187Fuck yeah!Lets get zen up in this bitch
>>32784754Hey hey, Poet-Witches have rights to anonymity and the Aesir still at least respect that.I mean shit, if her name was public she'd be lynched within the week.
>>32786259Right. I'm so totally sure that the Aesir have her best interests at heart. If she even exists. Fuck. Real poet-witches at least give out their ident numbers so concerned citizens can run them by the relevant government agency.
>>32786309>Real poet-witches at least give out their ident numbers so concerned citizens can run them by the relevant government agency.Yeah and then they get lynched by these concerned citizens when they make unpopular prophecies.
>>32786394Witchin is against the Bible, man. If they don't like it they can git somewhere else. I hear those poet-witches eat kids to fuel their powers. Why do you think God hates them?
>>32786070All the more reason for the UN to do something about them. I heard that mjollnir is comparable to a nuclear weapon, but hey we just let them have it, right? What happens if they decide to muscle in on some other country? Forget about North Korea. The Aesir are a rogue state with a magic nuke and an army of the dead.
>>32786825And they're just constantly pillaging everyone. They hit newfoundland last year.
>>32786921LIESThe Aesir haven't done nothing to nobody who didn't deserve it
>>32786225Zen is anti-capitalist though.
Can't you just wait until fate takes it course, frees the stupid dog and kills everyone?
>>32787110And I suppose we should let genocide go unpunished because heat death will kill the whole universe eventually, right?
>>32787186Ragnarök is not quite the same as the heat death, I'm fairly sure.
>>32787274Well, he's got the basic gist of it.
I heard that the Aesir collaborated with the Nazis. I mean, if they hadn't been hip deep with the bastards then what was all that Thule stuff about? And why did the Aesir never stop Hitler if they didn't approve?
>Loki's stupid mutt>Not a mass murdering fiendI shiggy diggy doo, it's like you want Fenrir to eat the sun and cause Fimbulvetr
>>32787350Show me one time that he actually killed anybodyTyr doesn't count. That was self-defense and everybody knows that Odin's a liar for trying to make it look otherwise.
>>32787395B-but fate says that he will kill Odin, it is known
>>32787395Oh and Jormundgandr, the venomous, billowing sea snake who disrupts our shipping lanes is just an innocent cutie pie because he's never murder anyone right?Damn modern legalists.. To the holmgang I say! Draw your sword
>>32787498"It was fate" is not an acceptable defense under the UN Charter. And I have had enough of the Aesir doing as they pleased and giving the middle finger to the rest of the world.
>>32787395>Implying the Norn haven't already decided everyones fate
>>32787568confirmed for Aesir sympathizerI bet you wear Thor's hammer around your neck, dontcha?Worshiping foreign gods should still be treason.
>>32787576POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!
>>32787576>>32787628>>32787683>>32787612I bet Loki did this.
>>32783682Your nice words fall apart when it was a confirmed pre-ordained destiny anyway.Because Ragnarok is past tense nigga, always past tense.
The war in Alfheim needs to end. The Dark Elves are a peace loving people who just want independence from Valhallan Imperialism!
>>32788148Hear hear! What's it like in Alfheim, do you know?
>>32788148Those are (a shitty take on) svartfallar, they'd be from svartfallheim, not Alfheim anon...
>>32788142On whose word?Of course the Aesir are going to say that this was all inevitable.
>>32785629B-bullshit! The situations are nothing alike! J-jotunns aren't even human!
>>32790492That, and they're the infernal children of Ymir the Ur-troll, and thus far have only demonstrated absurd malice to the Aesir in particular and all non-Jotunns in general.
>>32790692its us or them, amirite?burn up alla them, i sez, make em fryants, amiirite?
>>32790692So you haven't read the latest Scandal? Turns out Ymir fucking fathered the Aesir, including that scoundrel Odin, before his untimely assassination.WHAT ELSE IS THE ONE-EYE HIDING?!
>>32790492Because the Aesir are, Commissar?Now, the question is, are they xeno, or are they extra-powerful unsanctioned psykers?
>>32788061I'll take that and raise you one
>>32786187You claim there is but one god but then you take Lady Hel's name in vain.
>>32796223Wait, Nidhogg and Hel are a couple?Also, this picture is too lewd for a blue board
>>32796305It's just nudity with no explicit sex, that's tolerated on /tg/ you sick puritan.
>>32796305No, they're relatives. Not brother and sister though.
archive this shit!
>>32797319Doesn't really change anything. "When the gods mate, it is always incest." -- S. P. Somtow>>32797754It has been more than archived. This is being turned into a blog-based writefaggotry thing.
>>32795459Sanctioned psykers. Sanctioned. The All-Father acts only under the direction of the Emperor, and the other Aesir under his direction. To say otherwise is heresy.
Who are the bigger dicks? the Norse gods or the Greek Gods?
>>32798039Probably about equal when you get down to it.Greek gods have plenty of stories about them being dicks, but there are also quite a few about nice things happening.
>>32797941>blog-based writefaggotry thing.Link?
>>32798049Demeter starved the world because she couldn't get her daughter back.
>>32798090Yes, hence the "plenty of stories about them being dicks" part.
>>32798057https://odinlied.wordpress.com/First post will be up on Monday. Right now there's definitely two writers on board, and there are another four that I'm talking with right now. And I plan to start threads like this every now and then so that /tg/ can contribute and, by making comments like this or that, essentially say "Hey, we want this to happen," so that we'll make it happen. Kind of like a roundabout Quest kind of thing, I guess.
>>32798225What's the general idea for the outline of the story?
I've wanted to run a Norse themed Percy Jackson sort of thing but eh, I've never been sure the group I'm in would go with it. And the Thor movies.
>>32798381I've heard that is an unplayable mess
>>32798417Not more so than a lot of other games /tg/ loves. And as always being a good GM helps a lot with cutting through a bunch of the cruft.
>>32798253Hardboiled (and not-so-hardboiled) bloggers trying to expose the corruption behind Odin's administration. Through blogging about it. Analogous to, say, the anti-Putin bloggers, if I'm going to quickly shoot for a comparison. Most of the storyline is external to the bloggers: they're essentially just a kind of narrator, commenting on the war in Alfheim, allegations of Aesir/Nazi collaboration in WWII. The ongoing struggle over Fenrir's imprisonment is a big part of it but not the only thing that's going on. Not sure how much personal life stuff will be in there. You'd definitely get some hints, and maybe a little something dropped here and there, but their focus is on trying to dig up secrets and spread awareness of all this other shit. And I seriously have no idea what's going to happen. Will Odin's administration fall? Will there be some kind of horrendous magi-nuclear war, mjollnir striking down on London and Valhalla burning in nuclear fire in response? I imagine that /tg/ is going to send this down some interesting roads. It already has-- one of the writers may be "James Woods Hades" (that's his full name), there's a war in Alfheim, and Asgard already has a tenuous relationship with the UN.**That said, while most, if not all, of the stuff in these threads will be used in one way or another, not all of it will be used *immediately.*
>>32785629Jotunn are frost giants right?Surt is a fire giant, Zwart
>>32798449But I have no experience with the system.
>>32798591No such thing as frost giants. Jotunn just live in a really fucking cold place. Well, there was one frost giant, Rhyme.Surtr's fire giants are called Muspel Jotunn
>>32783682>we no longer have a society based on values of freedom and justice - but on fear instead.Wait, we have a society based on freedom and justice? No one told me. I thought we based our society on might maked right.
>>32798454Alternately, it's a mythic remix (remyths?) of Transmetropolitan. Except less Warren Ellis.
>>32798454What about the controversial decision by Odin that being slain and slaying others with guns don't allow you to fulfill the requirements for going to Valhalla?
>>32800238Controversial? He obviously didn't want you Americans soiling his glorious valhalla with your fat arses.Yes, Odin be fat shamming. And he's right too.
>>32797319Nidhogg and Hel aren't related, dude.
>>32798454>https://odinlied.wordpress.com/Definitively interested. How would one participate?
>>32800273Yes but when was the last time a Valkyrie took someone to Valhalla, Its been a few centuries.
>>32798591Like >>32798769 said, Jotunn are not frost giants. Not all of them are even portrayed as being that big, compared to the Aesir.
>>32800405I believe they still take any Nordics who die in battle....But when was the last time the Nordics went to war, huh?
>>32800465Yeah, all there's been over the last century has basically been some violent Bikers.
>>32798225Do you accept contributors?
>>32800238I love it. That will definitely be included.
>>32800390If you want to participate long-term, send me an email or something (check the Anon label up here or just post a comment on the site) and we'll work stuff out. It will also be useful to have people who just make comments here and there on stuff, though, to make the halls look a little more alive (either way it shouldn't be too intensive: I'm hoping for ~8 writers so we can have at least two posts a week but nobody NEEDS to write more than once)Thanks for the interest
>>32801623Yes. Accepting contributors both long-term and short-term, and writers for both posts and comments.* Shoot me an email and we'll figure out what's best for you. *Because the world is the story, comments are just as important as the posts in order to establish the verisimilitude of Odin Lied. Writers making comments to their own posts, though, seems a little masturbatory to me, so right now I'd like to separate the two roles.
>>32804406Oh, and there will be /tg/ threads, too. This'll be a back and forth kind of thing, /tg/ coming together to make stuff that's interpreted and transformed by Odin Lied, which then feeds this back to /tg/ so the process can start all over again. Like, well, like a roundabout kind of Quest where most of the writefaggotry was happening off of /tg/ and "let's get your input" time came around less often (essentially once per thread rather than several times per thread). I've got to find some other term for it, tho, because I don't know if it really qualifies as a Quest, even a roundabout one. /shrug
>>32804492>term for itMeta-textual writefaggotry
>>32804406I accidentaly sent the message twice. Sorryfrigging faulty internet connection
>>32804743No problem man. Writing a reply now. Kind of rambly but I'm trying to spit it out quickly so I can get to some other stuff I have to do (AND WHY I AM ON 4CHAN THEN?)
>>32786120>TFW Tyr has to lie to what has become like a son to him for the greater good of Asgard.>TFW Fenris realises the only person who's ever been good to him is the one who fools him into confinement>TFW their teary eyes meet after Fenris injured his adoptive father, both realising that this world will never let them be like father and son, again.>TFW Tyr now lives with the burden of a traitor until Ragnarök.
>>32805800OMFG yes. so much, so much. That is EXACTLY what I was thinking back when I read that (forget about possibly doing a treatment of it in Odin Lied, I'm doing a straight up flash story in the classic verse on this)Also? yfw the myths talk about how Tyr would still visit Fenrir on occasion, out of guilt.
>>32805988And all would have been solved if Tyr had said "Fuck you, Odin">>32805800I don't see Tyr and Fenrir in a father-son relationship. Loki is actualy here for his children, so Fenrir would have a father figure.No, I see more Fenrir as the deliquent who's ready to drop school and Tyr as the teacher who's the only one to still believe in his student.
>>32805988>Tyr would still visit Fenrir on occasion, out of guilt>YFW Tyr goes back to Fenrir every year>Watching him get angrier>More vicious>Practically feral>Trying to convince himself Fenrir's not right to hate the Asgardians>Trying to convince himself Fenrir doesn't deserve to hate him
>>32806309>No, I see more Fenrir as the deliquent who's ready to drop school and Tyr as the teacher who's the only one to still believe in his student.I like that. >>32806354Pic related
>>32806354>One day, Tyr hugs him>The Wolf stops growling>the Aesir is so tiny now, by comparison>Fenrir whispers Tyr's name>They both begin to cry
>>32806537>Slowly, the guilt consumes Tyr>He looks at the Aesir, at Odin's Machiavellian ploys and betrayals>The pain grows worse, no less because Tyr could have prevented it if he hadn't stepped down from his position>The decision is made>And Tyr releases Fenrir from his bounds, ushering in Ragnarok at last
>>32782045Fenrir is a dog, a smart and giant dog yes, but a dogDog's don't have rights, humans do, gods who are human-like do.This is animal cruelty at worst, not "illegal incarceration"
>>32807232Speciesist son of a bitch!
>>32808340>son of a bitchI'm a human and have rights, not a dogTherefore my mother can't be a bitch
>>32808584>Therefore my mother can't be a bitchYour daddy never told you why your mom wasn't around, did he? Hint: There's a reason Fido was so affectionate with you.
>>32809472You know I could reply to that and point out how it's wrongBut fuck it, I laughed. Good one anon
FENRIR! HE'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL!
>>32809861Haha! Did you know that they called him Andre the Giant before he was told that was a racist epithet for Jotunns? Andre was great, he changed his name in a flash (I guess it was kind of weird still that he named himself after another species, but my buddy says he had a little Jotunn in him anyway and that's how he was so tall, so I dunno). >Captcha: what ovmendsYes, Andre made ovmends with the Jotunn people and made sure they knew that he didn't intend any offense