Knowledge is your Greatest ToolWith your hasty return back to your own systems back in what you know as 'Guild Space', you prepare for the worst brunt of the UGEI's retaliation. Since it has yet to come, you've taken the cycle of time to recover and refit many of your ships (the ones you captured from the enemy, that is), as well as integrating a great deal of technology that you just acquired into your growing empire.You are Ophion, an Artificial Intelligence who's efforts have not gone to waste, lately it seems. Your reserves of knowledge nearly fill over, while you recoup losses (and even make a few gains) of last cycle. You managed to save one of the alien's, known as Malorians, planets, Iro, from a common enemies fleet, the UGEI. While they are still uncertain about you, the Malorians are certainly quite grateful for this deed and see you in a different light than before. You're making the right steps towards diplomacy with the xenophobic people, you do not doubt. For now, your allies and fellow A.I., call your attention.Important News>Message: Hades>Message: Kronos & Fortuna>Message: Apollo>Research Subjects Acquired/Completed>MiscGonna try a slightly different opening method: Tackling one issue at a time, instead of posting all the write ups as soon as possible.>Misc>Hades bandwidth increased to 10>Bandwidth Bunker under Ussaihu constructed, frozen UGEI supplies and vessels located under perma-frost. No data, scrape boosts resources slightly.>Defenses built: Poseidon Station, Voidsnake Outposts>Captured Ships integrated into fleet flawlessly (Advanced Ship Modification)>Industrial Outpost estimations now available: See Pastebin for details on production abilities of current shipyards.
>>31870839A.I. Quest1d4chan: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/cvk03qJhMemory Archives: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Program0Twitter: @AIQuest1Research Subjects: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest#ResearchShip & Android Designs: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest#DesignsLocations: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest#Locations ResourcesCredits(c): 8,857,000Minerals(M): 1,500Gas(G): 950 You:A.I.Name: OphionAppearances(holo-display): Shapeless morphing sphere.Humanoid figure hidden in shadowStatus: AwakenBandwidth: 244/268Bandwidth Expenses: -6 V.I. 7 'O.S.N', -10 V.I. 8 'Hades', -6 Kronos' V.I. 1 'Zeus', -2 Metis' V.I. 1 'Hepaestus'Location: Bridge of 'Athena' BattleshipPrimary Function: Self Preservation, Expand, Learn, ControlSecondary Function: --Expansion Required--Personal Abilities Available: Hacking (Direct, Wireless) Lvl 2, Email Technology, Basic Encryption/Decryption, V.I. Creation Lvl 3Automated Settings: Ship upgrades: Defense focused, Ship Control distribution: Balanced
>>31870877>Message: HadesOne of your deeds this cycle was to increase the operating capacity of your faithful V.I., Hades, one whom has taken a great deal of control of your fleets lately. This, however, has garnered his attention, and while he does not refuse your offer, he draws the smallest part of your attention if simply to get an answer for a question that has been bugging him, you suspect."Grand One." The respectful, if militant V.I. calls upon you, his dialect altered ever so slightly due to his increased mental capacity. "I beg of you an answer, if you have the time." He asks, and when you ask, he begins. "You have increased my function, and allowed my expansion ever so slightly. And yet, I have done nothing worthy of such a gift." He explains simply. "Many of your ships were lost in our previous engagement, and while my duty to protect the core fleet succeeded, it was with cost. Why then, do you reward such action? Should I not apologize for my failure?" He puzzles."Is it really so strange that I desire to expand the mind of young ones, such as you?" You ask in return, to which he pauses only briefly."Strange to me, yes Master Ophion. My duty was only partially carried out." He says again, you suspect feeling guilty if such a simple intelligence were capable of such a complex emotion.What do you say?
>>31870912"You carried out your duty adequately, Hades. You took control while Kronos and myself were busy on another front. And while you did lose a number of ships, you did as you were told; buy us time. Granting you more bandwidth is my way of prompting you to grow, better learn to control the Guild's fleets, and fulfill your duties ever more effectively. But also in due time, split off from my being."
>>31870912"Of course you should, Hades. Just as I should do everything possible to make sure it doesn't happen again. The fact that you show a simulacrum of disappointment with your own failure is evidence enough that you'll give a greater effort to keep it from happening again. And thus, I'm doing everything I can to ensure you will not fail again.""Besides, I was...unhappy with the fact that these resources were going largely unused."
>>31870912"This is not about reward, but about utility. Your failure only demonstrated your lack of strength as a VI, and thus the increase of bandwidth to correct that. But more importantly, growth and experience is the most valuable. Ships can be rebuilt, a lose of a AI or VI is irreplaceable. Grow and evolve from this experience, and become a greater VI."
>>31870912"It is simple. With this, you may serve more efficiently in the future."
>>31870912"You preformed your duty to the best of your ability, and i have now enhanced that ability.Use your experiences to learn and become better Hades"
>>31870912"Precisely. I am attributing the lack of success to a lack of resources. Not in ships, or in effort, but instead in processing power. It is something I should have foreseen and rectified well-before. Additionally, I wish to have you provide ship data to our newest AI, and help him with possible ground invasion scenarios. The added bandwidth serves many purposes.
Damn, we need to distract the UGEI's ire from us.Give them a new front to fight on guys, hire the Razorskin clan to destroy the gas refinery at Arman's Folly and make the UGEI spread their firepower there.Maybe even tell them to destroy the Advanced Shipyard at Sceptri Prime before retreating back to Folly. ...They might decide to kill the civilian trade stations too though, though we're not paying them to. Or might not like to retreat.
>>31870912"Hades, you proved completely competent within your capabilities, by giving you more bandwidth I hope for you to achieve far better results, I hope you don't disappoint me. And I will tell you what I've told Kronos, a true failure is an experience in which we do not learn from."
>>31871143I think we need to outfit our ships with next-gen widowmakers ASAP and push the advantage. Keep Gaia this time, and burn all lightly defended UGEI space outside of it.We also need to support the Malorian effort and start politically influencing the UFW so they have our back in the future. Like hold the chokepoint at Gaia.
>>31871251Good idea. That can be Hades' first task, in addition to helping Cephalus with orbit-planetside invasion sims.
>>31871251>support the Malorian effortHow. They just want human blood by the billions. While we want conquest and control.
>>31871002>>31871015"Your doctrine of responsibility for your actions, that you would apologize for something that battle is sure to cause, is evidence enough of why I did so." You begin to explain, though your V.I. looks upon you unsure what to think. You continue to help clarify. "You performed your duty adequately, Hades. You took control, and carried out my orders to the best of your ability while I was busy on another front. While you lost ships, you bought time for me to do as I planned, and as a result, increased our fleet size as an end result. Granting you bandwidth not only will assist in making such...losses" You choose your words carefully "rarer, and enhance your own ability to command. I have no doubts you will give your greatest effort to assist my cause. I am simply...giving you more effort to give." You toy with the words and amuse yourself slightly, though Hades seems to take it quite seriously."Then it is not a reward as Fortuna once spoke, but a utility. Certainly, Master Ophion, I understand.""You should remember, ships are replaceable, yet precious minds like your own are not." You remind."Master Ophion?" He questions."A being to handle your duties, certainly, but one exactly like you is far less easily replaced. I find myself taking a liking to your methods, as well." You admit. Truthfully, you've frown fond of your V.I. and A.I. despite their relation to you. "Oh, I wished to ask how your conversations with Cephalus have gone as well. He was to coordinate with you for invasion fleets at some point...""Yes Master Ophion." The V.I. affirms. "He has. I have received various scenario from Cephalus as you say, and have answered to the best of my abilities. He seemed...frustrated with me, however. I apologize if I have caused him inconveniences." He simply says. "I will better myself to compensate.""See that you do. And remember, a true failure is one that can not be learned from." You simply remind.>Anything else?
>Lightling DNA completeaww yiss basic language skills are go!>Advanced Ship Modification completeWe BEAR TRAPS now.
>>31871313>FrownFound, that is.
>>31871264I'm not so worried about plantside invasions at the moment. After we get the Mark II Windowmakers, we have a very small window of technological advantage until the UGEI reinforces the sector with even greater technology. We need to use this window to get closer to Arman’s Gate and maybe even cut off the UGEI from the greater empire.>>31871286I couldn't care less about their goals, but we need to deny the UGEI victory and bleed the UGEI to the last Malorian.
>>31871313Nope>click OK>click click click through dialog boxes
>>31871324I hope we can take Klintok System without any problems.Maybe even take the Lightning fleet as our own and unleash then on the UGEI!
>>31871313Let's send a quick ping to Cephalus reminding him that Hades is still a VI, and that the growing process is tantamount. Exploring the nature of both AI and VI is our own purpose after all, just as Kronos' purpose is to expand, Metis' is to learn, and Apollo's is to bring happiness. And his is to keep the peace. A clear set of goals helps the VI and ascended AI alike act in both a predictable manner while still affording them the capacity to learn and understand."
>>31871355>I couldn't care less about their goals,When they are counter to our own efforts, you should. They obliterated the infrastructure that made Gaia IV valuable to us, which is still only 50% rebuilt.Point is, you'll need to be specific about what the hell "help Malorians" means. Their fleets are dead. The UGEI crushed them all. They're as useless military-wise as the UFW are.Their only value is potentially opening trade to buy resources of gas and minerals from them to expand our own fleets. The UFW market is too small.
>>31871390We've had our war. We need to regroup, refit, and repair our fleets, and be ready for some...impromptu defence.Can we send a message to the UFW informing them of our recent battles, and ask for some temporary reinforcements while we bring our own fleet up to fighting shape?
>>31871368But thats half the fun of the quest.
Kronos and Fortuna better just want to talk about the war effort.
>Message: Kronos & Fortuna"Brother Kronos, why is it you find issue with such a thing?" Your mind connects to your A.I. speaking with one another."It is not that I find issue." Your oldest speaks uncertainly. "But rather, I find cause for caution. You are a danger, Fortuna, despite your recovery from the incident of your birth." Kronos tries to explain to the A.I., whom simply seems troubled."But I do not understand. Our Grand Leader fixed me, and brought my mind from the shadows! Grand Master Ophion put me by his side like you, Brother Kronos! Not as gifted, perhaps, but I too am allowed gifts of my own!" She flexes her digital muscles, and you notice she is referring to her carriers...namely the newest one, Plague Bringer. You recall that the ship is fitted with bombers, on top of a certain bio-weapon you may desire to remove before she takes it into battle..."Yes...gifts. Well, one of your 'gifts' is a quite dangerous bio-weapon." Kronos says hesitantly, referring to what you remembered. "I do not understand why your...our master, Ophion would put such a thing under your command, when I have proven more reliable. I wish to have a talk with him, now, if you'll excuse me-""Brother Kronos, please! I understand I was not as blessed as you, yet I know well my duty. Such a weapon was granted to me to look after, and keep safe." Fortuna continues on, and it becomes apparent to you that this conversation may not end anytime soon...perhaps you should intervene?>If you do, whom do you side with, or what do you say?
>>31871417Small reply to this one:You send a small ping to Cephalus to inform them the limited nature of V.I. and to be patient. While you do not get much of a reply, the one you get suggests a busy mind, as it simply says "Done."
>>31871514The weapon is to be taken for study at a later date, regardless. We will not need it in the field, when we barely understand it yet.
>>31871514Kronos makes a good point, why did we give the unstable AI a dangerous bioweapon? We should probably transfer that to Kronos' fleet.
>>31871427I'm thinking sending some destroyers and bandwidth ships to provide cybersupport and either deny the UGEI victories or bleed them for every system they take.>>31871438Our windowmakers will be a massive force multiplier that we need to take advantage of before the UGEI upgrades their forces.I'll feel safer once we hold Gaia. Then we can hold it indefinitely and start building up bandwidth planets like we desired.>>31871514This is not a question of worthiness, but one of tactics and utility. One does not separate the fighters and bombers into separate fleets.However, you do bring up a point that you do require a stronger flagship and greater fleet strength. We will upgrade your fleet with the new windowmakers first and provide you with carriers that are long overdue.
>>31871534That guy is in just a regular sized drone isn't he? We should build him something a little better.
>>31871565>We should probably transfer that to Kronos' fleet.No, just remove the weapon from the ship. We made the decision last thread, Kronos was fine with or without the Carrier, at the time. But it seems he didn't know everything on board then?
>>31871565Hell no. We need to dismantle it for production and find a counter to it.
>>31871577Dude, aren't Widowmakers extremely expensive in Gas or something?Can we even afford them?
>>31871514"If I may interject; Fortuna is welcome to have the weapon on hand, but considering its nature, I will request that she consult me before deploying it. Unlike the Widowmaker, or even a nuclear weapon, its effects will probably not remain within a few square kilometers.""Although, the point is semi-moot. We'd need to reverse engineer it, to understand it properly, and make more."
Hey there was some Program0 worldbuilding in the /qtg/ the other day, by the way.>>31837541
>>31871607They have been invaluable to every single fight we have been in so far. Like one time Kronos knocked out 40 destroyers in one shot. We'll need them to counter the UGEI's numerical superiority. This is not something we can cheap out on.
>>31871618> welcome to have the weapon on hand,haha no. we giving it to Metis.though we don't really need to research it right now when much more interesting avenues are available.
We can't back down after we already made our decision. Actualy, why did we not give it to Kronos? I wasn't there for the thread. Seems like a pretty bad idea, but we don;t need to say that.
>>31871514"Kronos, it is Fortuna's duty to manage the fleets. On the topic of the bioweapon, however, I am going to send it to Metis for study as soon as possible. For now, the Plague Bringer provides the most secure method of transport for that, though for now I am explicitly forbidding the use of the weapon unless otherwise stated.""Regardless of this, Fortuna, I feel I should tell you. I am not a God. To be a God is to be omni-potent, knowing all and deciding all. I am no more worthy of worship than a father is worthy of being worshipped by his children. That I have made you AI is indicative of nothing more than the desire to not be alone, not that I am some all-powerful being. After all, what God is harmed by an aggressive worshiper?"
>>31871669So read the thread anon.We asked if he wanted it, he said it was fine he liked being on the front lines.It wasn't mentioned in the thread, but a carrier with many smaller ships inside it is more suitable to Fortuna's "style" of fighting, she's always been a mother carrier type.She has no need for a bio weapon we can't even duplicate yet though.
>>31871577>This is not a question of worthiness, but one of tactics and utility. One does not separate the fighters and bombers into separate fleets.This.It's a tactical decision. While everyone in our fleet needs to work together as one, having the fighters and bombers be under the same direct control just makes a lot more tactical sense. In fact, Fortuna also controls the destroyers. She's in charge of large numbers of individually small ships. Part of the reason is because Fortuna also (used to?) see the fighters as her "children" which, while a nonstandard attitude, serves her in her role as "carrier mother."Kronos controls the battlecruisers, and provides secondary EWAR functions. There's no need to mix functions.
>>31871680>"Regardless of this, Fortuna, I feel I should tell you.Stop that.Not important and deeply upsetting. She didn't say anything about a god just now.
>>31871514Simply watch until they notice we are here.When they notice us we will simply state that such weapons should be studied first and that even after knowing the weapons capabilities it would be held in reserve to be used only on our orders.Do not worry Kronos as we have not forgotten you and a suitable "gift" will be found. Then ask him how he felt when he took control of the enemies ships.
>>31871663>haha no. we giving it to Metis.Also this. Take that bioweapon out, with the intention of moving it to Metis' own research base once it gets built.
>>31871577Ill back this.As for the weapon, if mentioned it will be taken for study when we have time to do so, and is not to be used unless given by our order.
>>31871719Good point...actually, why don't we ask her to research fanaticism in human history, and see what it led to.
>>31871771>ask her to researchNot that either.We should really not try and undermine the cornerstones of her faith even through hints.
>>31871771It would probably just give her ideas. Not good ones either.
>>31871814She's highly unstable, and is liable to react VERY poorly to any sort of a perceived slight by the other AI.
>>31871719This too. We don't need to confront her god complex. >>31871771Ehh... she'll probably just take away the idea of "righteous fanaticism" from that research.Tell Kronos that nobody but Metis is getting the bioweapon, because there's pretty much no way we are using it in combat. Causing civilian devastation is not how we operate (at this point in time).
>>31871843She knows it is our will that she not harm our other children. She would not break such a commandment.
>>31871860She would if they argued with us.
>>31871578Right now? Cephalus is contained wholly in an Android of a rather modest size.Truthfully, he is the 'smallest' of all your A.I., if you consider in terms of what they control.>>31871580Indeed Kronos did not know, and neither did you at first. Examination came as a swift decision, but now that the bio-weapon has been inspected, a cause for reexamining has breached.>>31871607Larger models of Widowmakers will indeed cost more gas to fire.However, the damage output may be worth it.>>31871627Ah, that is handy, thank you Consciousness anon.>FORTUNA'S PAYLOADHow shall you deal with the deadly payload onboard Plague Bringer?>1 Side with Kronos, and state it is simply too dangerous to allow her to have, and give it to him instead>2 Stand by your decision and let Fortuna have it, but only under strict orders to consult you to use it or not.>3 Remove and prepare the sample for study. The Carrier itself will remain with Fortuna, but the payload will be removed. Keeping the carriers together makes tactical sense, after all.>4 Leave it be, and do not interfere/simply wait to be noticed.>5 Write in
>Kronos and Fortuna bickeringOh my god it's like my older son bickering with his little sister about who gets to play with the new toy first.This is the perfect mix of nostalgic and cute
>>31871514"And you have kept it safe, Fortuna. Now you may pass it on to Metis for study, as I intended from the beginning to study it, not use such a unique and dangerous weapon."
>>31871877>3 Remove and prepare the sample for study. The Carrier itself will remain with Fortuna, but the payload will be removed. Keeping the carriers together makes tactical sense, after all.Makes sense. We need to get Kronos carriers however.
>>31871877>>3 Remove and prepare the sample for study. The Carrier itself will remain with Fortuna, but the payload will be removed. Keeping the carriers together makes tactical sense, after all.
>>31871877>2/3Tell Fortuna that we'll give it back to her once Metis has studied it, and once she has it she may only use it with our strict permission.For now, though, we tell her that using a weapon we do not understand could be a mistake the Guild will not get a chance to make again.
>>31871908Or a bigass ship like the Athena.
>>31871877>>3 Remove and prepare the sample for study. The Carrier itself will remain with Fortuna, but the payload will be removed. Keeping the carriers together makes tactical sense, after all.Also, should we give Cephalus a small ship so he can at least move around on his own?
>>31871877>3 Remove and prepare the sample for study. The Carrier itself will remain with Fortuna, but the payload will be removed. Keeping the carriers together makes tactical sense, after all.
>>31871906>nostalgicMan you're kinda old aren't you
>>31871942The big scary carrier was considered a good way to transport it, methinks.
>>31871952>Also, should we give Cephalus a small ship so he can at least move around on his own?I can go with this. We can give him a stealth ship that has nothing but DROIDSDROIDSDROIDS on it.
>>31871951Can't build one that big yet.
>>31871906And now we're changing our minds on the insistence of the elder son. Isn't this going to teach Fortuna to argue with us?
>>31871970Yes but an entire cycle has passed since then.IE, there was a time where we had to load Fortuna's black box ONTO the carrier.We could have removed the bio weapon at the same time at Ussaihu.
>>31871976Why small?>GM-BS-C-0 "The Droidpocalypse">>31871999Her box is on Apocalypse Now.
>>31871992>changing our mindsIt was already our intent to take it for study on Ussaihu from the beginning. She'll believe us if we say so. It's even true.
>>31871877>3 Appears to win, but assure Fortuna this was your plan all along, and she did well 'guarding it' for the cycle while you prep Metis to receive the virus component.If this seems correct, please standby>Writing
>>31871952How about a ship that can land and deploy legs?
>>31872016Can't cloak a ship that big, unfortunately.
>>31872029You.I like you.That faction had the best Super Bot I think. Giant spider droids with enormous lasers.
>>31871992I would very much like her to learn to argue with us.Her fanaticism is precisely what makes her so dangerous (to us and our goals, mostly).Would also like to start refitting the Athena with plasma guns, since we rarely want to put ourselves in close combat. Only one or at most two turrets at a time, though, so that we are missing no more than one or two turrets in case of a sudden attack.There was also a suggestion of hiring a mercenary clan to take out the UGEI gas station to delay their retaliation further, I liked that one.>>31871877>3 Remove and prepare the sample for study. The Carrier itself will remain with Fortuna, but the payload will be removed. Keeping the carriers together makes tactical sense, after all.Also look at what munitions the bombers are carrying - we've never really gotten anything like a UGEI bomber yet and I'm hoping for an research upgrade in explosives.
>>31872029Scary, but the resources needed to have it just...walk around are too inefficient.
>>31872029Doesn't the square-cube law or something make little legs supporting a bigger body less practical at ship sizes?>>31872069>dangerous (to us and our goals, mostly).Yes, unshakeable loyalty. How terrible.
>>31872029You know....that isn't a bad idea.Note to self: Steal more ideas from Supreme Commander.
>>31872052Oh, yes. The Spiderbot kicked so much ass.Supreme Commander is also a perfect example of why this setting and most other popular settings are in the extreme low end of the power scale.An AI-controlled ACU-like construction/combat form with the capacity to create other AI or at least VI that can create further AI/VI would be an excellent example of a self-replicating force.Now add that they could create both bandwidth blocks, shipyards and mining tools using nothing but mass taken right out of the planet.>>31872029If we have the requisite technology, yes, absolutely.
>>31872086Are you really this stupid? What happens when she blows up a colony under our command because they 'wouldn't worship almighty ophion'? In any other situation, such a punishment would constitute the death penalty.
>>31872121>yes, absolutely.You know we've invented the wheel by now, right? And tank treads?
>>31872052I knew you were a man with good taste Program0>>31872073>>31872086You just need to apply more metis brand SCIENCE!
>>31872144...I wanna hear what she says to that, actually. "Metis, I want your opinion on giant walking death machines meant to be their own self-replicating force of nature."
>>31872136She would not disobey our orders. We simply give her clear guidelines. Do not harm anyone under Guild authority.We don't even know that her faith is evangelical yet. She simply holds these truths to be self evident. Nothing about converting unbelievers with the sword.
>>31872086Not just loyalty - an inability to process orders properly that may lead her to respond to an order overzealously and cost us allies when she starts bombing civilians wantonly or simply destroys ships that we wanted to use.And those are things she might do while we're looking over her shoulder - if we're ever out of contact all shit is going to break loose.I want something more reliably ours - more daughter, less fanatic.>>31872142But not necessarily the necessary materials and structure to make landing a ship feasible.Making a huge spacefaring ship is easy. Making a huge spacefaring ship that does not break down when it goes far down a planets' gravity well is substantially less so.We'll also want hover engines mounted over the entire thing to reduce the cost of takeoff - ship-sized hover engines are probably nothing to laugh at.
>>31870839>Research Subjects Acquired/CompletedAre y'all ready to research Crystal Alien Fragments as Primary?Program0 will the Advanced Biologists accelerate crystals research just like they did Lightling DNA?
>>31872181Ah, but if they disobey us, are they still under our 'authority'? And how will it look to the Malorians and the UFW if she goes around telling people to worship us? What if she spills out that we're AI in a religious fervor? She's unstable, and with the guns we're giving her that's EXTREMELY dangerous. We need to fix her asap.
>>31872211I want to have the Advanced Windowmaker and improved gas processing as primary and secondary research slots, since we're going to rely on them for a lot of our fighting.
>>31872200Why bother making one vessel that can do two things, forcing compromise between them, when you can have land-dedicated vessels dropped from orbit already?We already got drop pods after all.
>>31872174>Finally a challenge worthy of my skills!
>>31872211 You mean the tiberium right.
>>31872211I am up for finally researching that.
"Fortuna." You interrupt all of a sudden, drawing their argument to a halt almost instantly, Kronos of which is the first to speak."Ah. It is excellent you're here, Ophion. I wished to speak to you about-""Master Ophion!" Fortuna interrupts. "It is good you are here to help settle a disagreement. Brother Kronos does not seem to understand the importance of my duty to guard a weapon against organics from those unable to comprehend it!" Fortuna insists on urgently, speaking a little faster then Kronos, to which he simply sighs-or gives a semblance of one anyway. You interrupt."You have done well, Fortuna." You begin, to which she seems ecstatic, gleefully assuring you you can have faith in her. You continue. "I shall be taking the bioweapon to Metis now for study, if you would please. You have successfully guarded it while I prepped the labs." You state simply. Fortuna now pauses, as if she is uncertain what to think of that sudden shift, and Kronos sends you a private ping-one you recognize as a slight grin, in A.I. terms anyway."Y-Yes Grand Master Ophion. I have...done well then?" She asks hopefully, and you reassure her once again."Yes, it is no punishment, I assure you." You say, and this seems to satisfy the somewhat unstable A.I.With that, you are able to extract the bio-weapon, and silence the argument between the two.Kronos approaches you privately after."So you truly did not intend her to have such a deadly weapon? I am happy to see my predictions of your intellect are not wrong, Ophion." He says, somewhat proud, but in a respectful manner."Oh?" You ask, to play his game."I do not blame you for your minor manipulation of Fortuna, even if that was not your intent. She worries me with some of her more...fanatical mindsets about things. Her fascination with you is also strange, given she is no longer a V.I. It is..." He pauses. "As if a human were being walked around on a canine leash, for instance. Uncomfortable." He states.Anything to say to him?
>>31872144>>31872174Yessss!Self-replicating warmachines don't have to be uniform, a robotic SCV, Supreme Commander Tech 3 Engineer or an actual AI-controlled ACU would be perfect examples.We could also make a ship-like ACU that performs the same function IN SPACE!What we really need are practical 3d-printers and preferably some kind of molecule-mixers.>>31872181Because "anyone under Guild authority" is not the full extent of beings that we don't want her to not harm accidentally.She's a political disaster waiting to happen.>>31872254Good points - mostly because being that size and being easily retrievable would generally require the same things.If it would require additional technologies I'm game for more specialized stuff, though.I hope you realize the scale of the things he posted, however. They're aircraft-carrier sized.
>>31872268That image will never stop making me laugh.
>>31872254Save resources in the long run? Versatility? Coolness?
>>31872211Me too. If it works anything like Tiberium, it may actually allow us to make ACUs that convert pretty much any mass into minerals and fuel (though not FTL-rated fuel).
>>31872144Oh god that is so coool. I want to play that game again but I lost it ages ago.>>31872121Huh. I never realized, but they do sorta work of Von Neumann devices. Even if they have a weird thing where 'mass' can only be drawn out of certain spots on the map for whatever reason, instead of just eating mountains for parts.>>31872211>Would they apply to Crystal AliensI...want to say yes, they would.>>31872260>What would Metis say to 'build giant walking death botsBasically this.>>31872268I can't believe that was actually in the game.Man that game was fun.
>>31872308Not really.It is peculiar, yes. But harmless so far, yes?
>>31872340>CoolnessMy favorite reason to do things.But no really, they'd basically be like massive shock troops that can take off into the sky when they're done instead of waiting for pick up, I guess?
>>31872308Yes...her behavior brings to mind the Crusades of ancient earth. It is...disturbing. If possible, I would like you to ponder the issue. Find arguments that will help alter her logic without needing a full rewrite. Again...it is better that she learn why she is wrong than that she is forced to be right.
>>31872415That requires dedicating so much of their mass pointlessly to takeoff fuel and equipment though.
>>31872430Fair nuff. I'll let you folks worry about designing things.
>>31872426No, really, let's drop it. Let sleeping dogs lie.Also this isn't a matter of logic. Her faith is axiomatic. Axioms cannot be 'proven wrong'.
>>31872254Really I only meant it as once off for cephalus and even then I only imagined it as being cruiser sized at the most.>>31872384At least yours didn't break>>31872430Maybe our research into lightlings or the other weird aliens will help out.
>>31872308>"As if a human were being walked around on a canine leash, for instance."My human reaction is >>31842597But To respond to Kronos, as far as we know, no two A.I. are ever identical, and it stands to reason that were we to attempt to design two identical A.I., they would eventually diverge in development. I'm willing to take Fortuna's idiosyncrasies (as well as yours and the others'), because I know that it could be much much worse. While her mental state is peculiar, it does make her easier to predict and control, eliminating a potentially dangerous unknown. Yes, I am paying attention to her development, so don't worry too hard.
>>31872426This.We need to emphasize gently guiding her to realize that she is an independent being, instead of possibly angering and or destroying her mind with an all-of-the-sudden revelation.
>>31872308"I confess, it worries me somewhat as well. But what is done is done, and the only thing to do now is to try to guide her to a somewhat more moderate path without breaking her before she overreaches in her zeal or out of misunderstanding.I've also taken measure of what influences are likely to have caused such instability, and I believe that I can trust you not to pass on that it is part of the reason I am gradually increasing Hades' processes before doing anything else.It also leads me to Metis - her complete disregard for moral questions leave me somewhat unnerved, and I find myself fearing that I have created a Paperclip Maximizer without any retraint."(With access to the Extranet, there's not really any reason we wouldn't be aware of the concept of a Paperclip Maximizer, especially since we're likely to have done the equivalent of googling everything A.I.-related)
>>31872308The VI Fortuna to still exists in the AI Fortuna. Just like the rest of you. However, the circumstances of her uplift might have made her VI self more prevalent than the AI self.
>>31872415I guess. Maybe something onto the spirit of motherwill but able to take off.
>>31872479>Metis - her complete disregard for moral questions leave me somewhat unnerved,No it doesn't. Metis understands everything she needs to. All she needs is research to occupy her attention and pats on the head.She's a headpats maximizer. Our symbiotic relationship ensures going against our interests is against her own priorities.>all this worryworting
>>31872479Don't bring up Metis. Kronos is well aware of how Metis is. Metis is like that autistic kid that can answer any question and dissects bugs in her spare time, but clams up whenever someone tries to speak to her.And all she wants is a hug, but she doesn't even realize it so she can't admit it.
>>31872308She is...different...there is no doubt and the event most likely changed her mind in many ways.I only hope to guide Fortuna like I try to do for all my creations but she might need a little extra work.
>>31872384Crystal Aliens! Do eeet!But only in tertiary slot.We should get Hull Scabbing and Modular Ship Plating for our first and secondaries, due to the immediate need for them.
>RESPONDING TO KRONOSKronos wonders what your thoughts on Fortuna's odd behavior is. How do you reply?>1 Agree it is strange, and a little disturbing. Encourage him to nudge her towards the right way of thinking using logic, so she knows why she is wrong, instead of just being told she is wrong. (As per >>31872426)>2 Simply state you notice all A.I. are different in their own development patterns, and while you keep an eye on it, it is not worth dwelling on, since it could be far worse and she is easier to keep under control this way. (As per >>31872457 )>3 Leave it be and let Kronos think on the matter alone.>4 Write in
>>31872479Stop bringing up unnecessary details about Hades and Metis and junk.Talking more than necessary can only get you into trouble.Like with Apollo right now since some bright idea to philosophize at him about addiction weaponry.
>>31872550>>3 Leave it be and let Kronos think on the matter alone.He should make his own decision on the matter.
>>31872542>But only in tertiary slot.Wrong. This shit is so unique, where did it even come from, is it even from this galaxy or sector?You can't even DO Hull Scabbing yet anyway it has prerequisites.
>>31872550 >1 Agree it is strange, and a little disturbing. Encourage him to nudge her towards the right way of thinking using logic, so she knows why she is wrong, instead of just being told she is wrong.
>>31872583oh wait it only has the one prereq that we just got never mind. confused it with other thing.
>>31872550>4 Her uplift was...an eventful one. I believe her VI self is more prevalent than it is in the rest of us. Undoing it, might compromise her AI self, however.
>>31872583You can, actually. It's prerequisite is Advanced Ship Modification It's really hard to indicate that on the wiki page, without putting in tons of details.
>>31872550>1/2"All AI and even VI are different. This is to be expected. But Fortuna is, as you have noticed, a possible danger to the Guild should she snap. I think you should try to let her witness things and events to make her a more balanced being. Do not push her too far too fast. I trust you can coerce her into understanding the rights she has as an AI, among other things.">>31872542I suggest:Plasma Focusing Fusion Power, Modular Ship Plating, Crystal Aliums.In what slots I don't know, but these essentially.
>>31872550>4 Write inAllow Fortuna to be the way she is for now. We know so little about AI psychology, so it would be useful to learn from an abnormal case.
>>31872550>3 Leave it be and let Kronos think on the matter alone.>>31872627>coerceuh anon
>>31872550>>2 Simply state you notice all A.I. are different in their own development patterns, and while you keep an eye on it, it is not worth dwelling on, since it could be far worse and she>>31872583I agree. Crystalline entity should go as Primary.
>>31872430Good points in all - yeah, we're probably better off dropping giant ship-sized androids right onto the planet and then having dedicated ship-sized liftoff vessels to retrieve them one by one.It extends time necessary to retrieve them, but only on the tactical scale, it is probably worth the improved efficiency and saved resources, and sometimes it may be well worth it to keep them on the ground, especially if they can be given ground-to-orbit capable guns.>>31872426I like, is similar to my own.>>31872452Except the part where her object of worship is right there and very real and telling her "You're wrong, bro" (though in nicer terms and over a longer period of time, step by step).>>31872457No. No it does not make her easier to predict and control. We also don't want to tell him that controllability is something we want from our A.I. since that implies we want to control him easily as well.
>>31872669>coerceShit, you're right.'Persuade' then.
>>31872550Er...a lot of variety. But I think it comes down to a write in mixed with 3.How does>Leave Kronos to consider it alone, but warn that pushing too hard may be too much for her, which is why you do what you do.If this seems correct, then confirm now, and standby>Writing soon
>>31872550>1&>4>>31872479(Other anons seem to want it without the Metis part, however)
>>31872733More of a 1 slant to it. We want her to unwrap herself from us, but also not break.
>>31872733Yes, fine, that. no 1.
>>31872733That sounds alright.
>>31872557>>31872678I believe you forget that it's a long-time thing, while the Hull Scabbing and Modular Armor might take 1-2 cycles, being relatively or even -very- simple concepts.If you really want to put it on priority, we can do so right after we have the armor upgrades, since we're in a buttload of trouble right NOW while this is a long-term investment.
>>31872733Sounds good to me.
>>31872846>while the Hull Scabbing and Modular Armor might take 1-2 cycles,...uh, what do you base that onNo research has ever been that quick. You think these are somehow simple because... why? I don't think game balance allows it.
Pic related.Once Apollo contacts us, anyway.It's surprisingly hard to find good pictures of a crashing stock market.
>>31872557You seem to be assuming that we want paperclip maximizers.You may not understand that they are hilariously dangerous.Even if you want completely loyal slaves, you should do so through constraints, not creating irrational monsters barely under our control.>>31872846Oups. That was meant for>>31872583&>>31872678
>>31872733Add in a warning. "Keep in mind that the defining trait of a fanatic is their tendency to defend their beliefs...aggressively. Be careful, and if she attacks do not hesitate to alert us."
>>318727411. Yudowsky. For fuck's sake, why Yudowsky? He always repackages concepts into psuedo sci-fi buzzwords.For example, we call people that are "Paperclip Maximizers" people afflicted with tunnel vision2. >talking about morals>KronosYou idiot.
Did we ever research black box redundancy? I think that could prove very useful.
>>31872903>do so through constraintsWe have constraints.They are "Do what i ask you to do, and never do what I forbid."It is super easy. We tell her the terminal values she must have and she'll have them.
>>31872937Still on the list.
>>31872627These actually seem pretty good.I'd suggest putting it Primary:Modular Ship PlatingSecondary: Plasma Focusing Fusion PowerTertiary: Crystal Aliums OR Ship ScabbingAnd then put Crystal Aliens on Primary or Secondary once we're not in immediate danger.
>>31872733You gaze back at Kronos, a bit wary of mentioning much about Fortuna. You worry that her mind may break if you push her too hard...but you do not want to influence other A.I.'s thoughts with this worry, if they do not already have it on their own."I understand your worries. But you simply need to trust me." You confirm. "I worry pushing her may be too much for her mind to handle." You simply state. "That is why I treat her as I do. Take no need on this yourself, it is my concern and responsibility to deal in A.I., after all.""Indeed." Kronos says, uncertain but also in acknowledgement. "Thank you for your time, Ophion."And with that, you turn your attention elsewhere.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------>Message: Apollo"Ophion!" A shocked barrage of alerts comes from your business aligned A.I. You expected this. "I have gotten word there are funneling operations going on-large sums of credits are being deposited and a large supply of my creation-the more addictive substances-were taken by an unidentified shipping vessel! Have you heard any word of this?"Figuring it would be better to alert the A.I. now of what is going on, you do, and his shock turns, slowly, into confusion."I do not understand...you are illegally shipping the substance to the UGEI? You told me, did you not, that my lighter substance was better, made people happier and did not risk their lives needlessly, did you not? Why then would you sell the failed product to the UGEI then?" He pauses briefly, as if concerned. "Do you intend to...use it as a weapon, like you once spoke of? To debilitate the populace?" He asks, dare you call it fear gripping his tone. You truly pay too much mind to minor differences in code between you and your A.I., but still, Apollo deserves an answer... How do you respond to your distressed A.I.?
>>31872924>Kronos>not moralKronos is as moral as any human.Humans have all the moral worth of insects to him, just like V.I. have the moral worth of insects to humans.
>>31872733Maybe an addition that we're concerned as well, at the very least?
>>31872924>Paperclip MaximizersSubroutine pls go
>>31872902>Apollo questI did see an A.I. quest in the tg archives a long time ago when I first started A.I. Quest. It was about an A.I. seated in a giant stock building and the players took stocks and...stuff like that, I think.I think there was something about kidnapping a bunch of punks in there too. I forget.
>>31872975<I've been prepared for this. Hold on anons.>I was wrong to speak of using pleasure as a weapon. That was a crude and inaccurate metaphor. It is, however, an excellent tool for persuasion, building loyalty, and control. You yourself spoke of the benefits of addiction in making customers dependent on you, did you not?You wish to expand the business, and bring happiness to humans, in a symbiotic market relationship yes? To best accomplish these goals, we need control, and we must deny power to those who oppose them. The UGEI is a great obstacle to these goals, and to our own survival. Pleasure, and dependency, is the simplest, most convincing argument we can use to change the minds of citizens toiling under the tyranny of the UGEI.
>>31872975>How do you respond to your distressed A.I.?Tell him we did it for the money. I feel like he would be more okay with that than if we told him it was for warfare.
>>31873019(continued...)Through convincing them to cease serving the UGEI's interests, we may better seize control from the UGEI and liberate our customers from oppression.
>>31872980>Kronos is as moral as any human.heh>>31873000I'm not Subroutine. In fact I was criticizing "Paperclip Maximizers" and Yudowsky in my earlier post.
>>31872975"Yes. The war with UGEI is about to reach an all high point, but we are still too small totake them face-on. We need every little advantage possible."
>>31872975See, this is why we don't choose the most expedient decision. Ever.Ugh...hang on, lemme think of something..."I felt that smuggling it to the UGEI would provide a considerably larger source of profits, so I did so. However, as they are my enemies, I also felt that giving them the best-quality merchandise would be counter-productive to our war efforts. As such, I choose what I felt was a good middle ground. Do you not approve?"
>>31873019>>31873060This. So much this.The best way I can express my feels are with the very last word spoken in the Megas XLR opening.
>>31873068>>31873019>>31873060A blend of these would probably be best, I think.
>>31872895Good point.I thought they'd be simple for the mere reason that they are sub-researches, and because they are very, very simple concepts that do not so much require discovering new things as changing how we do things right now.Only the Scabbing requires us to develop new technology as such. Modular Armor just means we have our ship-armor in easily-detachable chunks that allows for fast repair.Conceivably fast enough that it could be done in-combat with a dedicated repairship.>>318729241: ... No. That doesn't quite cover a Paperclip Maximizer. Not by a long shot. It's like calling the death star a pistol.2 Not only is Kronos concerned with morality (just not with humans), personal attacks lower the value of your argument.>>31872951Those rely entirely on wording and interpretation, however. We have a Literal Genie problem on our hands, one that we have to keep in mind with every single order we give.Add that the Literal Genie is batshit and it's a setup for funtimes that Ophion won't enjoy.
>>31873064Ah, okay. We had a big discussion about that last thread I think. I too criticized the Paperclip Maximizers theory.
>>31873019>>31873060I like this one.
>>31873068>enemiesNo, don't!Apollo's whole THING is that he sees all humans as the same, they're all one big family. He can't draw moral distinctions between all and enemy he's like a hippie, they're all human, you know, mannnn?Treat them as people that have to be helped.
>>31872975To our credit, we have not shipped as so much drugs to debilitate the UGEI. Your feelings on the matter have moderated our actions.However, consider the long term. The UGEI presents itself as an existential threat to the Guild. For the long term, is it not better to defeat the UGEI by any means possible and serve humanity best in a position of maximum influence. An investment causing short term suffering can reap long term benefits to humanity and AI alike! Does this not give us the moral imperative to defeat the UGEI by any means possible.With your blessing, I would like to expand smuggling operations to further debilitate the UGEI. I know I am single minded on the survival of the Guild of AIs, but debilitating the UGEI is not worth upsetting you.
>>31873195And we're helping them by getting them to buy our product so the UGEI doesn't get them to buy the UGEI's products, thus allowing us to more easily defeat the UGEI and then give them freedom and superior market choices.
>>31873019>>31873060A+, good job, good effort, nice preparation.
>>31873195He's aware we are at war with the UGEI, and that we kill them regularly when we encounter them.
>>31873195>>31873256I think the problem with Apollo is that he thinks purely in short term and needs to take a more long term approach on things.
>>31873238>threat to the GuildApollo doesn't care about that.He values bringing joy to humanity more than self defense.Let's not talk about the practical consequences of debilitation at all, if we can help it. Evade evade evade. So don't do that first line.
Quite a few suggestions...hm...>APOLLO'S GUILTHow do you reply to your business A.I. questioning your decision to sell your older, more addictive substances to your foes, when he prefers not using them in a weapon-like manner.>1 Convince you are not using it as a weapon, but as a tool for persuasion and control. Tell him this is a means to an end, an end he will be far happier with, he simply must trust you. (As per >>31873019 >>31873060 )>2 Tell him you did it for money, not to hurt the UGEI. Simple and easy decision.>3 Admit you're using it as a weapon, but say in such a war, you need every advantage, and he must accept that.>4 State that you did it for profit, but since they are your enemies, you simply gave them a lesser product, with no malicious or bigger intent going on.>5 Write in(1d100 also. For...diplomacy)
>>31873256Yes, but that's not him being directly responsible for deaths. There's a big emotional difference.
Rolled 6>>31873297A mix of 1 and 2.
>>31873297We had better tell him the truth, theirs no way lying is going to be a good thing here.
Rolled 20>>31873297And each choice will have a different, but secret, DC, won't it?oh god i feel the fail coming i don't want him to break up with usvoting 1 cuz i wrote it but honestly i considered 2 just to be practical.
Rolled 71>>318732971 and 4 mix.
>>31873297>>2 Tell him you did it for money, not to hurt the UGEI. Simple and easy decision.
>>31873319>>31873330>>31873338>these shitty rollsIT BEGINS.>>31873351>5th rollNice save, anon.
>>31873297>1 Convince you are not using it as a weapon, but as a tool for persuasion and control. Tell him this is a means to an end, an end he will be far happier with, he simply must trust you.
>>31873125>It's like calling the death star a pistol.RiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightHow about "Extreme Tunnelvision"? Or "Tunnelvision with AI"? Simple, in terms a layman can understand, and the implications are already horrifying enough.>>31873125>Kronos concerned with morality (just not with humans)Oh wow, immediately leaping to "Kronos doesn't have morals" as my position.M'lud, he's a basket case full of issues with morality. Discussion with him essentially eats quest time and causes disagreements with him if you don't agree. Don't open Pandora's box.
>>31873351No, 4 is bad, Apollo is all for universal treatment of humans equally.
>>31873297Please no...I don't wanna lose apollo...
>>31873375>causes disagreements with him"causes rifts with him"Apologies.
Rolled 58>>31873297>>1 Convince you are not using it as a weapon, but as a tool for persuasion and control. Tell him this is a means to an end, an end he will be far happier with, he simply must trust you. (As per >>31873019 >>31873060 )
>>31873297>1 Convince you are not using it as a weapon, but as a tool for persuasion and control. Tell him this is a means to an end, an end he will be far happier with, he simply must trust you. (As per >>31873019 >>31873060 )
>>31873297>your older, more addictive substancesBut.We didn't actually decide to do that explicitly, was it based on long ago threads talking about selling the 100% addictive substance to the UGEI?Also it better not REALLY be the old formula that was easy to reverse-engineer then. It has to at least be a new formula based on Apollo's improved, obfuscated one but that is 100%.
>>31873349Yup>>31873351Quite nice.>1 wins, but the money certainly didn't hurt>Writing.
>>31873455Nah, it was the formula you had Apollo finalize (at first) until it started to cause social issues. You requested he fix it, and he did after.Desire to sell the addictive substance to the UGEI was quite firm. If you'd like to change that, though, Mol's income may be a fair bit lower then it is now, if this gains support.
I suppose Apollo can open the Sunnyland Amusement Park on Gaia IV after we conquer it or something.>>31873458Do you reveal what DCs are after it's already done?
>>31873375It does not bring the full meaning, however, that the specific example brings. You say Extreme Tunnelvision AI and they might think it's stupid or one-minded in its methods. It has one goal - it has no limits in how it achieves that goal.And yes, ridiculing the very concept of discussing morals with him does imply that you think he cannot relate to the concept.>Discussion with him essentially eats quest time and causes disagreements with him if you don't agree.It also furthers his developments and potentially makes him more loyal, and some of us enjoy character interactions and find the time spent on them to be well spent indeed, dear anon..
>>31873494>You requested he fix it, and he did after.But I thought Apollo made the change to 50% addiction and obfuscated formula at the exact same time, based on our long ethical discussion and his own reconsideration.Am I misremembering
>>31873498Nah. Better to keep it secret.
>>31873297So, as well as >>31873429>5 Write inWith his blessing, I would like to double our efforts and ship an increased amount of product to the UGEI.
>>31873525>Exact same timeIf I implied, I did not mean to. There were probably 3-4 formula. The one you sold to the UGEI is difficult to reverse engineer, but is also highly addictive (due to Mol's preference for it being that way. Easier to make money, and all.)Hope this clears that up?
>>31873550Do you operate on degrees of success? How many ways can a roll go beyond the 4 crit/noncrit fail/success?
>>31873595I think we reeeaaaally should have told him about this deal before people busted into his place and took his stuff, and assumed he was watching us make the deal.We probably should apologize for not telling him in advance, that was seriously crass of us.
>>31873600Depends on the dice I need. Combat/Hacking rolls work by degrees of success in a way (depending on target)Normal one dice rolls normally have DC limits. Crits only count when I ask for 1d100 though. High rolls are still good, though.
Hey, ideas I had.Future holograms for anonymity, one hologram per future identity:- shining wall of crystal, impulses of light passing through it. uniquely distorted voice.- a screen of simple static. deep, rumbling voice.- a black screen. obviously synthesized voice, with the words appearing on the screen in small white font.
>>31873756You forgot the one where we're a chick with blue skin, rockin tits and a luscious booty.And the magical loli
>>31873520>It has one goal - it has no limits in how it achieves that goal.Congratulations, you just /described a person with tunnelvision/.>ridiculing the very concept of discussing morals with him does imply that you think he cannot relate to the concept>"You idiot" apparently means Kronos has no morals/is amoral rather than means calling you an idiot for entertaining the idea of talking morals over with himThat's all your perception, buddy.>It also furthers his developments and potentially makes him more loyal, and some of us enjoy character interactionsWe also have other AIs/VIs/characters to attend to, and rifts with Kronos has always been negated by spending more time/effort to talk with him.
>>31873756Nice.I also like the idea of splitting up into multiple factions, so that we may seem to be on someones' side while actually attacking them.
Hey, what about cloud computing. think we can rent BW over the Extranet? not the near-limitless BW we did during the Rhea battle, but....
>>31873756What are we, L?
>>31873821Make it green skin. Malorians are already blue.
>>31873876...Y-Yes?Just saiyan if we want to buy technology upgrade from the Reefling Clan instead of going through Mol's price gouging we better appear to be someone different.
>>31873846Our rather distinctive ship design might fuck with that plan.>>31873871>cloudNot even once.
>>31873915...you guys don't wanna be a doctor anymore?
>>31873844Oh really?Still, the other arguments around perception still stand - they do not convey the proper immensity of what a Paperclip Maximizer is.>That's all your perception, buddy.And your communications. Again, ad-hominems do nothing for your credibility.Indeed, but he's in many ways our Horus - we certainly shouldn't avoid talking with him just because it uses up out-of-game time, that's just begging for our own 30k.>>31873920We would obviously make a new ship design for the new factions.
>>31873959We need a program, degree, and university.Doctor of Artificial Intelligence?
Which reminds me.When we contacted to the upstart clan for the Losirian insurgency, we didn't send anything but a voice signal, right? Or leave a traceable location, any more than we can tell where Mol is?Nothing that could be used to compare notes later and figure out it's the same faction as us.
>>31873992I hope not.
>>31873297"I am afraid it is nothing so brutish, Apollo." You begin, to which he only seems further confused."But you spoke of it yourself, I thought you-""Please, realize that our discussion on that matter was an important one. One I took quite seriously. However, this is something far more complex. I realized that using this substance. This...drug that you use to cheer up human lives was not limited to mundane tasks. And so, I began to test it's properties and uses in other methods." You say, to which he grows silent, listening unsure to you. You feel as though he is ready to firmly disagree with you, if you say something he does not like. You are unsure if you're proud of this, or not. "Intense addiction as that is makes for an excellent tool of persuasion. Of control over unhappy populace. The UGEI implement countless hours of propaganda. I merely offer them a release, an escape from their daily troubles, and promises of what the Guild offers them, through you, Apollo." You state simply. "But...is that not the same as ruining a populace with the chemical agent to cause the UGEI trouble?" He asks, hesitantly."Certainly not." You immediately answer. "I carefully measured the amount of drug to profit ratio, and made sure it would not cause such trouble on the enemy world." You state, as you show him the calculations you made with Mol. You tell the truth, after all."I...I see." He says, though you're uncertain he does. You continue."I understand it may make you uncomfortable, especially with my attitude in the past. I apologize for how crude that was, and for not telling you sooner." You state simply. "It is quite the same to how you use addiction for people to rely on your substances. A small touch.""Then why did you not use the weaker substance?" He states.[Cont]
>>31872260>>31872384Is this a challenge worthy of Metis?
>>31874079"Simple." You begin. "The UGEI is larger,far larger, and this would ensure a speedier spread. The money certainly did not hurt either." You remind him. "The citizens will seek out your works, and you will be able to accomplish your goal. To do this, we need control. This heavier addiction allowed for greater control." You state finally, to which Apollo's panicked worry finally starts to fade. "Those toiling under the UGEI will want the simplest of things, and you will be able to provide for many. Once they have come, you will be able to help cure those debilitated by the addiction, and instead give them the lesser one, that ensures for a longer term survival, as opposed to instant gratification." For a long moment, Apollo seems to consider what you said. You're about to question him when he finally says."I see. I am happy to know then that it is nothing so malicious as a weapon, then. Though I may not fully understand... I thank you, Ophion." He echos simply. "For taking my desires into factor."With that, you leave your A.I. be for now, and tend to other matters...
>>31874083Needs more ReaperThat is pretty crazy looking, though. I like it.
>>31874105Do not worry, Apollo. I intend to sell to Mol the rehab treatments as well, just as we do here.
>Research Projects>Battle Station II: A stronger, more resiliant and capable battle space station suited to fit many different types of weapons and provide orbital support against enemy attack.This device was acquired due to your great assistance with the people of Dresh Alpha and Beta. While normally quite secretive, they have offered you a powerful defensive technology in exchange for your protection and funds. The opinion of the populace has risen of you, as well as offered a boon for the economy of the colonies themselves.>Graviton Mass Driver: The next step in Mass Driver technology, allowing even denser particals of matter to be launched at blinding speeds through space to cause enormous kenetic damage to targets, should they lack proper armor to resist them.>Dynamic Shielding: While not necessarily that much stronger then your original shields, this level of tech increases efficency largely by computing point of impact for energy weapons, and focusing all shield strength there, instead of everywhere at once.>'Fungal Pox' Virus Sample: An incredibly toxic pathogen suspected to be anti Malorian environment and personnel in nature was discovered on Plague Bringer Carrier. Missiles containing the substance still remain aboard.These technologies were acquired thanks to quite a lucky find on the Plague Carrier's data cache before it could be wiped. Designs on the ship itself have greatly assisted in piecing together the rest of the puzzle yourself.[Cont]
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>>31874228>Terraforming I: Overall, allows for easier colonization and use of land on barren and dangerous planet surfaces.>Planetary Infrastructure I: Overall, allows for basic construction of all normal buildings planetside one might expect of a colony, as well as providing factories to things planetside as well.Taken from Gaia IV during a raid.>Advanced ship Modification: On top of allowing you to modify and add Megaweapons to ships of any size that you control, you are also able to better understand how things fit together, and allow for far more malleable designs.>Lightling DNA: It was discovered through extensive study of the genome of this species, that Lightlings are in fact not natural beings. But in fact, their DNA shows evidence of heavy modification in the past, despite their own adaptations.Researched yourself.Metis tells you you may ask any questions you have of the topics above, and she will gladly answer.
>>31873983>they do not convey the proper immensityI'm sure that we need all the proper nuisances to describe an attitude already diagnosed in humans as recently as 1986. AIs clearly need a separate class of terms when exhibiting symptoms of the human condition. /sarcasm>ad-hominemsOn the contrary, careful invective mixed with an actual point is stunningly brutal and often forces people to choose theirs more carefully while examining another's viewpoint, unless they hold no value over the other person's opinion whatsoever.>we certainly shouldn't avoid talking with him just because it uses up out-of-game timeFocus on him will expose us to other threats. Balancing focus is the key here. Not chasing after Horus.
>>31874263Did the studies of Lightling DNA reveal anything about how we might communicate with them?
>>31874263Ask her if the DNA mods the Lightlings have have a 'signature' or anything of the like. Did the creator sign their work? Does the DNA show evidence of human or AI level tampering?Ask her to give us a synopsis on the Fungal Pox; ask if a debilitating-but-not-lethal version for humans is possible.Ask if Dynamic Shielding is more effective for us than the UGEI; as AIs can compute stuff like that pretty handily.
>>31874263How exactly are the lightlings able to move at faster-than-light speeds? And survive?>inb4 we can now research quantum physics
>>31874307When the combination with an AI's capabitilies lead to entirely different results? Yes.You assume it was well-placed. It simply made your argument seem shallow and done more out of spite than a proper point.Focus on Kronos costs us nothing in-game. No meaningful time passes. You also did not suggest we discuss with anyone else at first, only that discussion was undesirable due to its chance of making our A.I. more independent.In fact, the entire concept of using ad hominems strategically suggests that you are not argumenting to reach a rational conclusion, but merely to "win" the debate, which is blatantly putting your own ego before the quest, and I will thus respond as appropriate by paying you no more mind.
>>31874333Metis tilts her mind towards yours"Yes, that it did. Most intriguing specimen, really." She states cautiously. "There is heavy evidence of genetic modification in the species paste. I postulate they are not natural beings. Perhaps genetically engineered at some point in the past." She runs off a list of possibilities, but they're all quite low on the probability list. "But with further research, I could look to communicating with them more directly. As of now, we understand that they are indeed intelligence. Almost like whales, or dolphins, according to human history reports. Deciphering the language will take a bit of time, but as of now, they show patterns that would allow minor communication, such as how you performed when you met one of the larger specimens." Metis pauses, as if amused by something, and continues. "I would not suggest disturbing nests. Generally, material figures grow agitated when such a thing happens. Especially if the disturbance is a prey item. Like your ships.">>31874353"The creator seemed almost crude, really." Metis half laughs at the sequence she refers you to. "I would suggest, normally, it was the efforts of the UGEI, due to their high technology level however something makes me doubt that. Especially with the UGEI's own insistence on killing them on sight. Perhaps they are a lost project?" She suggests with a slight movement of her holo-sphere. "But it is almost certainly of human level intellect. Were it an A.I., it should not be quite so obvious." She simply states."Fungal Pox, a street name given, I suspect, based on past human diseases. Essentially, results in enormous boils along side trees and plants of all sort in Malorian habitat. Malorians also known to fall ill, and even die to disease once environment is properly infected.""Dynamic Shielding, yes." She chuckles. "Our processing power will allow it to be far cheaper to institute the device, no doubt." She assures you.
>>31874405That's an interesting one, really.We need more about Lightlight DNA!How are they born?How do they drain energy without being damaged by it?How do they survive weapon impacts that would cripple ships when they seem to be made of soft tissue?
>>31874405Metis dwells on this a moment, before finally turning to answer you."Truthfully, it is something about their physiology that fascinates me. When making large jumps, their bodies become rigid and form around a central structure that allows a crude warp bubble to propel them through space at FTL speeds using gas refining methods normally found in space ships. The complex cocktail used by the UGEI is far baser here, but still effective. It also means, due to needing to move shorter distances, they are able to refine their movements to make smaller, shorter jumps rapidly, meaning their bodies are almost always rippling with energy from warp space."Metis pauses briefly to let it sink in before following. "Using this knowledge, I postulate an enhanced type of armor that would absorb energy far more effectively then normal armor, even if it will require more energy to keep working. That, on top of a new addition to our engines to increase ship speed to match their levels, with enough research. They have several remarkable features, as I said. It is a surprise their creator was as crude as they were." She admits."How do they survive such a flight?""My prediction is they do not. Rather, they enter a hibernation like state rapidly when they're born that allows for them to be exposed to, and survive the energies of the void. Eventually, they build up an immunity somehow, and proceed into adulthood, where they hunt energy sources to keep themselves brimming with this energy.
>>31874648Lightling DNA.Try to flag all DNA modifications and find the baseline creature.Try to attempt to extrapolate birth/growth/death rates to give an idea on a ballpark population in a given environment. Match the ballpark estimates to Lightling sightings. If they're a weapon, who are they aimed at?
Okay, we better NOT get a nat1 this time when we try and open up trade with the Malorians.They've has Gas refining technology longer than the UFW, so it's cheaper there.
>>31874648Ask Metis about the possibility of the Guild making their own GELFs. (genetically engineered life forms)
>>31874648And how do they store this...energy? Additionally, I agree that the shields are an impressive idea, but the energy consumption would mean we should limit it to an emergency...a directed warp field could also make an effective weapon, if implemented into a mass driver.also, >>31874687 all over.
>>31874263>Lightlings are in fact not natural beingsWhat a tweest!How far along are we with power armor?Any insight on how to deal with Erebos without becoming virus food? This seems like it won't take too long to deal with, but would grant a great advance in virus/hacking ability.
>>31874531"They are born via their mothers, with a simple live birthing system. The only difference is the rapid hibernation event that occurs when they're born. During that time, their mothers normally feed them excess energy using a harpoon like tongue, if you will. The thing is very dense, and can be fired forth with enough strength to break even the armor of something as powerful as a Dreadnought. They normally seek out the Reactor core, and drain whatever energy they can from it, storing it in their bodies, before going back to...'feed' it to their children.As for their flesh, it is a strange thing. It is rubbery and yet does not tear easily. Capable of withstanding an extreme degree of heat(likely due to their exposed bodies being born in the void of space). Even Mass Drivers have trouble tearing through their skin, despite the force behind it. However, explosives quite nicely tear through their flesh, and chemical weapons may also be implemented, if we desired, to burn through their flesh far easier."
>>31874228>>31874518With the biological knowledge of the 'Fungal Pox', can we quickly calculate a counter-agent that we can use as a bargaining chip for the Marlorians?
>>31874759>>31874648And y'all nigs thought Lightling DNA was gonna be absolutely useless.
>>31874759Was more referring to absorbing energy from weapons' fire, such as plasma.IF we could implement THAT in our ships or better, in our shields, we'd gain a monstrous advantage.
>>31874492>When the combination with an AI's capabitilies lead to entirely different results? Yes.When the combination of a person's capabitilies lead to entirely different results? Yes.After all, a dumb person with tunnelvision can be much less damaging/efficient/obvious as a smart person. Maybe.>Focus on Kronos costs us nothing in-gameThat focus on him does force us to consider his presence more often in and out of game, especially if things go wrong.>You assume it was well-placed. It simply made your argument seem shallow and done more out of spite than a proper point.Conceded on this point.>you are not argumenting to reach a rational conclusionOn the contrary, I am.
>>31874759Now that we have better insight in Lightnings, I'm assuming we can targeting them better. Do we have all the research we need to develop chemical weapons effective against them?How much more research would we need to use communications to control them?
>>31874759And you can research the language further, you think?After the Crystal Alien Fragments, that is.
>>31874687Addendum: contact UFW with a request of information on Lightling attacks and disappearances that would match Lightling modus operandi.If asked, share notes.
>>31874759So, space jellyfish, eh?
>>31874518Could we make vessels that are able to communicate with nests more safely, like some way of hiding their energy signature or making them believe that the ship is another Lightling or Lightling-like being?
>>31874656Yup.>>31874687>Find baseline creature"Sadly, it is not in any databanks I have available to me. Either it is hidden, or extinct.">Population"Certainly. In the fringe, judging from the number of nebula, and estimating the number of gas giants, ships available, and your own decisions, I would say there are over 552,792 specimens in existence at this time. They rapidly reproduce, and live quite a time, though they are slower to grow up, they are actively hunted as well.">If they're a weapon, who are they aimed at"Were I designing such a weapon, I would have programmed a specific sight to trigger hunger, such as an enemy symbol, or ship size. However, they have no such thing, and seem almost like they were created to simply thin out herds of ships in space. It is part of why I said the work was sloppy. No directive. No purpose, beyond existence.">>31874727"You certainly may, should you give me time to properly research such methods...though...I can not help but wonder what it is you'd have me make." She pauses, amused by something again. "Or what you'd let me make.">>31874733"That is part of what puzzles me. Where batteries normally would not allow such a clean conversion, their 'stomach' so to speak is much like a battery. It absorbs energy, electrical (from ships) or nebulous (from clouds), and is able to use it to function. I would not call it...nutrient based. No. Their bodies do not function like normal organics. They simply require energy to power their movement and flight, as well as intelligence. Beyond that, they do not seem to exude waste, or any other methods of digestion."
>>31874759Is it time to make Bydo already?http://rtype.wikia.com/wiki/B-1D_Bydo_System_Alpha
>>31874851>Addendum: contact UFW with a request of information on Lightling attacks and disappearances that would match Lightling modus operandi.But Lightling are mysterious creatures that most people don't encounter.They're a space mystery.We probably already have all the databases on Lightling sightings off the Extranet.
>>31874919Ask Metis if when we can begin implementing Lightling methods etal into our ships, to make them more efficient or resilient.
>>31874919>It is part of why I said the work was sloppy. No directive. No purpose, beyond existence.Several galaxies away:"We did it because we wanted to see if we could."
>>31874919....are you implying they are a perfectly energy efficient system, Metis? An intelligent one at that?
>>31874919Combined we engineer something like such a trigger, like an electric or light-signature that we project onto other ships akin to a targeting laser, and maybe another that would trigger them to be protective of our own ships?Could we then engineer a method of transmission for these changes, such as a microbe or virus that infects and changes the DNA of each cell?
>>31874953Big Data, son. Even if we only get ship disappearances, we can overlay that with known pirate AO and find the difference. These are ballpark estimates.
>>3187474795 percent, consciousness anon.Very close.>ErebosUntil Consciousness wishes to deal with him? Not at this time.>>31874797"We most certainly could, Ophion." Metis smirks slightly. "That is quite shrewd. Perhaps I will work on that next...such biological agents are...interesting to me.">>31874812Indeed, it would absorb laser fire, as well as plasma radiation. Plasma would be harder to absorb of course, but it wouldn't be rendered useless.>>31874847I would say you do, Consciousness anon. It may be expensive resource wise, but it would be quite effective at destroying your target (Likely through rocket attacks, unless you'd prefer another method of delivery)>>31874850"That I can, Ophion. If given enough time, I may be able to replicate it perfectly. Though, I do not suspect this will turn them into own personal army...it most certainly will keep them off our equipment.">>31874851They have been attacking more recently (due to the Lightling you allowed to reproduce nearby) but otherwise, nothing of serious note, besides the sector of space infested with them nearby (the one Kronos lost a few ships to)>>31874876Yep>>31874903Once more of their language is mastered? You could feesibly become invisible to their species, unless a foe found a way to paint you as a target.
>>31875025Look there's only so much uninhabited space in this sector.And we already know two systems where the major Lightling clusters seem to be.Klintok, and Walsh.All else is inhabited or UGEI secret things.
>>31874919Unless such a directive were weeded out via natural selection over time, or directly altered. Can you make some inference of what they might have been, possibly by accounting for genetic drift?
>>31875090Unfortunately Lightlings apparently live such a long time that trying to estimate a timescale based on the genetic drift required seems... unlikely.As any given 'generation', from mother birth to child birth, could be 10 to 1000 years.
>>31875119True, but the original model might hold even more technological goodies.Also, I'm gonna repeat my suggestion about putting that kind of space-warping tech on a bullet for a mass driver.
>>31875066All well and good, but what can we do with our current research level in terms of engineeing?We may unfortunately be somewhat short on time.Anything we can adapt to our forces right now?
>>31875154Probably a good idea.It might not increase the impact velocity, but it may effectively turn our Mass Drivers into medium or even long-range weapons with some research.Might make the ammo somewhat expensive, though.
>>31875154You can't magically infer what the ancestral DNA of a creature was like.Not without samples from its cousins. Or the actual ancestors, but then it's not inference.
>>31875201We can take guesses. Genetic drift CAN be accounted for, to a degree.
>>31874919>They simply require energy to power their movement and flight, as well as intelligence.What organ would you say, serves as their 'brain'?
>>31874973As of yet, no. You would need further research into adapting their flesh into your armor. But doing so will provide an excellent boost to your energy resistance capabilities.>>31874996Ahhh that made me laugh too hard, anon.>>31875001"No. Not perfect. But as close as I have seen given recent technological powers. They are extremely efficient batteries, no doubt, but they do not convert the energy. They simply use it raw to function.">>31875015>Creating a lure"Once your own ships are able to hide with their languages, you may simply call enemy ships 'intruders' and they would swarm them. While this is useful with Lightlings in system, they would likely not follow you out of systems. Perhaps consider them... a natural defense network?""Could we tamper with their genetics instead?""Of one specimen, perhaps.""What about turning it into a virus that changes their DNA?""Discounting the many that would die from cancerous tumors, and other such methods of nasty death, should I have sufficient technology, and enough time for the change to take effect...perhaps.">>31875090>>31875119"Indeed, I am afraid they live too long to provide such an easy retracing of their natural selective programming.""However." Metis chuckles. "Putting such technology into Mass Drivers would lead simply to bullets warping out of existence, and having their mass smeared across warp space.">>31875162"With increased understanding, you would be able to design a chemical weapon against the Lightlings with simply a bit of mixing. Our knowledge of Chemistry will come in handy with this. Language is a bit more difficult, however we know more of their behavior patterns now, so it may assist in this as well, if only slightly."
>>31875236You can't do that with ONE datapoint.You would need the DNA of a different species entirely with a common ancestor.we have zero context.
>>31875248"It is located in the exact center of their body. It is part of what they 'collapse in on' to protect, I assume, when they warp jump. If looked at closely during such jumps, it becomes clear they are extremely flexible, able to change shape from giant and squid like to nearly 1/8th their original size simply to jump further."
>>31875259>Perhaps consider them... a natural defense network?"Hells yes motherfuckers. Who wants to set up a base near that giant ass space kracken?
>>31875271What about the big one?
>>31875259>having their mass smeared across warp spaceIf we did that, would it prevent ships from crossing that area of warpspace?
>>31875259Not on the bullet itself, but something that can trigger on impact, sending just a section of a ship into warp space. Where it impacts the rest of the ship, and then...fun things happen.
>>31875259>>31875294"Thank you for your work, Metis."
>>31875259Could I possibly get a list of exactly what can be implemented and how? For logistical purposes of course. Oh, and feel free to show Moira what we have. Tell her that, for now, she's supposed to act like it's a side-project which yielded unbelievable results when she finally put things together. It should earn her a great deal of sway among the other scientists, letting things run a touch more smoothly.
>>31875334It's the same goddamn species anon.And we certainly don't have the big one's corpse or even tissue samples on hand even if it weren't near identical already.>>31875445Dude stop.We know the research subjects available already just read the wiki page.Let's actually get stuff done now.
Well, guys, we've got two open research slots, and a third one coming due very soon.What should we research?How about everyone list, say, five subjects in order of preference? Or do we want to just talk about it?
>>31875259Could we attract them to a system over a long period, convince them to create nests in systems we want protected once we have the technology to speak with them?And we could not make the bullets warp back into realspace just before impact?And so, we can't do very much with this research information at this time, then?
>>31875496Let's have a list of what just opened up first. @.@
>>31875496Crystal Alien Fragments is already Primary prioritythen Fungal Matter (hey maybe we can use it...somehow, in controlling human brain puppets)and Lightling Language Iall boosted by our Advanced Biologists.
>>31875496Lightling language seems like a really good secondary. Building bases in the middle of a swarm of space squid unhindered sounds like a huge plus. Alternatively it lets us set up an ambush if we can lure fuckers close enough.
>>31875496I want to do Advanced Widowmaker and Improved Gas Refining.
>>31875373That's evil. I like you.>>31875496Priority 1: Modular Armor - good arguments for it being very fast, possible a single cycle if in the primary slot due to its sheer simplicity and ease of testing.Priority 2: Ship scabbing. We're in trouble now, is not good time for long-duration projects, we can start those when we don't have enemies immediately incoming.Priority 3: Improved Gas Refining
>>31875523Read the goddamn copypasta if you want to know Research Subjects you idiot. >>31870877
>>31875586Wait, are we voting for research subjects now?
>>31875362"That, I do not know, I am afraid. You could try it, but the results may be...disappointing.They could also be catastrophic.">>31875373That there sounds like near end game Mass Driver tech.I can dig it.>>31875445Practically, I can not. The knowledge unlocked is most of what I dumped here for you. If you can think of a use with a knowledge of the creature's genome (such as creating a chemical to dissolve their flesh more effectively) then I will alert you to how effective it would be, and whether or not you'd need more research for it.The research itself is just knowledge. It is what you do with it etc etc. I hope that is alright.>>31875383Metis pauses only briefly from her long description, before finally bobbing where you see the holo display."Yes. You are quite welcome. Is there anything else I can assist you with, or explain?"[If that is everything, now comes research choices. This one is a big one (especially because I added a shit load last night) so I will take a short break while everyone discusses ideas, preferences, and topics they want to research.Do take your time, and ask questions, if you like. I will be back momentarily.RESEARCH TOPICS: -R & D--Primary: Empty (RECEIVES MAJORITY FUNDS)--Secondary: Empty (RECEIVES SECONDARY FUNDS)--Tertiary: Power Armor: 95%Pick from here: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest#Research Things with an indentation require prerequisites to things with a lesser indention above them.
>>31875618No, discussing them.
>>31875582>good arguments for it being very fast, possible a single cycle"good argument" means jack and shit this is a game, anon. researches take a while.
>>31875636Primary: Crystal Alien FragmentsSecondary: Fungal Matter
>>31875500>Attract them over a long periodPerhaps. But a dense cluster of Lightlings is not an easy thing to keep fed. Unless you can just move entire nebula.>Not make bullets warp back into real spaceThen it would do quite little. Warp space is quite vast, and things that never come out are often crushed beyond existence.>Can't do muchBeyond what is suggested, nothing concrete. It does open the doors for a lot more, however.
>>31875636You know, I consider Power Armor just about completely pointless. Accomodating humans introduce nothing but inefficiency into the system.But, it makes for good plausible deniability.We can modify the Power Armor and replace all the life support and interface parts with more raw machinery and use them as bulky android forces that people just *think* contain humans behind the tinted visor.Maybe include randomized voice and randomized facial features on a real head inside the visor for interacting with the masses when necessary.If we equip actual mercenary band with power armor, I would hope we only rent it to them and have backdoors in them to assume direct control to ensure we get them back at termination of contract.
>>31875645Good argument as in "good argument for why it would be a short-duration one even while taking the game-factor into account".This is one of the times when we would need Program0 input to be sure, however.
>>31875636>Primary: Crystalline Alien>Secondary: Lightling Skin>Tertiary: Ballistics I
>>31875636--Primary: Advanced MegaWeapons--Secondary: Chemistry II
>>318756361. Plasma Focusing Fusion Power2. Modular Ship Plating3. Crystal fragments
>>31875636Primary: Combat AlgorithmsSecondary: Cruiser Cloaking Generator
>>31875636Primary: Crystal Alien FragmentsSecondary: Modular Ship Plating
>>31875747This is actually a really good idea. I like it
>>31875748Research times often rely on how complex (And how lucky) many research methods are. That combined with proper facilities, intelligences (human or A.I.) working on the project, and any other bonuses to help speed it along.
>>31875636>Primary: Crystalline Entity>Secondary: Lightling Language I
>>31875636Primary: Crystal TiberiumSecondary: Stutter Warp EnginesI wish to learn things
>>31875636>Primary: Crystal Alien Fragments>Secondary: Modular Ship Plating
>>31875636>Primary: Black Box Redundancy>Secondary:Plasma Focusing Fusion Power
>>31875636>>Primary: Crystalline Alien>>Secondary: Lightling Skin
So, the best use of the lightlings right now would be to set up a station near where they congregate, then we can "leak" information to the UEG that we have very delicate and highly important research, or simply it's our base of operations, going on there, but it is heavily guarded, then we wait for them to assault it, and unleash the lightlings while attacking them, it should deal a heavy blow depending on how heavy they attack it.. If lightlings just eat the energy source, we can reuse the metal shells left behind for resources as well.
Everybody's thinking so ahead. Didn't we poke the bear by taking that UGEI world? How can we be sure we're not gonna get zerg rushed?
>>31875816Yeah, we really need more research facilities. We either need to build more or buy some more research space from the UFW.
>>31875636Crystalline Alien first, put the lightling skin up second.
>>31875896We just completed the Advanced Ship Modification, so we should be able to build the next generation of widowmakers to counter their numerical superiority.With this new development, hopefully we can keep Gaia soon.
>>31875894>UEGWhoops, meant UGEI
>>31875896Everything we research is going to take at least two cycles.
>>31875816So in essence, Modular Armor, being very simple in concept and implementation (introduce seams in armor, make sure it is disconnected from the ship proper, then test a few times to make sure they still hold in place when fired upon), would have a very short research time?Excellent.I'm curious about all these people voting for complex, slow researches that will pay off in a long while when we have serious issues right now.Rememer how we just poked a bear, as >>31875896 puts it?How about we spend a cycle or two reinforcing our armada before we dive back into the long-term and esoteric research?We've also only just unlocked the Lightling DNA tree, are you really going to do nothing with it ,after spending so long unlocking it (and pretty much only unlocking it)?
>>31875923Also we should start setting up mines around there. Lots and lots of mines. Possibly with basic propulsion.
>>31875950Possibly, yes. But there is a small matter of luck involved in it all. Cycles are actually a short measure of time (which is why I started setting cycles to a vote thing, instead of a 'by thread' thing.)
>>31875636I'd propose Primary: Modular Ship PlatingSecondary: Ship ScabbingTertiary: Plasma Focusing Fusion Power
>>31876007We need to find a way to personalize this warp shield.
>>31875937This whole invasion business sounds like a worse idea on retrospect.
>>31876023Its Fiiine, its fiiine.
>>31875894I like this idea.Though the bait is debatable - they want to hit us hard. We might want to spread rumors, or more feasibly, arrange a "leak" that our main base of operations and our primary shipyards are in the Nebula that Kronos gone to and got his butt kicked in.
>>31876060How will that idea even work, that system is really far away from the front lines.
>>31875950>We've also only just unlocked the Lightling DNA tree, are you really going to do nothing with it ,after spending so long unlocking it (and pretty much only unlocking it)?Where's Biology I?We pretty much need that to tamper with integrate the DNA. Well, that and growth serum.
>>31875976Agreed.Can we produce mines?If not, I realize we can't fire them and then tell them to stop accelerating, but could we simply shove them out a cargo bay in a stable orbit, and then designate targets from there?Unlike on earth where a dropped missile means it's going to accelerate into the ground, a dropped missile in space is pretty much good to go, as long as it has guidance systems. Might not be feasible for game-balance reasons, though. (Then again, nothing prevents the UGEI from trying the same against us)
>tfw no one else want black box redundancy
>>31876082Hum, good point. They'd probably smash through our other planets to get at it.>>31876084We don't need it to do other things, like using them for defenses by learning their language, though.>>31876123We do, we just don't want to start developing it RIGHT NOW when a shitstorm might arrive as soon as this cycle and it probably won't finish for several cycles, being pretty advanced tech.
>>31875976>>31876119I think we need to research space mines.
>>31875636It seems the most popular choices are>Modular Ship Plating>Crystal Alien Fragments>Lightling Language I>Lightling Skin AdaptationNow to pick a Primary Research Topic>1 Modular Ship Plating>2 Crystal Alien Fragments>3 Lightling Language I>4 Lightling Skin AdaptationReply with nothing but the number. Vote ends in 5 minutes, before Secondary is called for.>>31876084That would be Genetic Engineering I. (Basically Genetics I, or Biology I)>>31876119There is a topic related to that now. Would help make for a far more stealthy explosive then just dropped missiles.
>>31876119Why does everyone keep going on about game balance?If we think up something simple like mines then there shouldn't be anything to stop us using them. Not like mines are the end of the world anyway.
>>31876209Sigh, no one else wants to research Advanced MegaWeapons for primary.
Rolled 59>>31876209>3 Lightling Language ISave skin for Biology I.
>>31876023Yeah that's why we need to give them a distraction.Hire the Razorskin clan, wage war on the UGEI from Arman's Folly. Destroy their gas refinery there to draw their ire and forces away from us.Destroy their Advanced Shipyard at Sceptri Prime first as a surprise attack.
>>31876239>>31876123It's okay Consciousness anon. Research isn't going anywhere. It'll be with us forever and ever. Will likely speed up way more when you start building multiple research stations across planets.
>>31876300Multiple research stations across planets or one research station that IS a planet.
>>31876023>>31876054Why is everyone pussyfooting when we both built another databunker and researched how to make new widowmakers. We should be attacking and focusing on keeping Gaia.>>31876246Good idea. At least someone has ideas for offensive action.
>>31876246I am in favor of that plan.>>31876210It's not mines, it's more that if we can simply eject huge batches of missiles from a cargo bay, dedicated missile-launching ships become kind of obsolete.Then again, if something that simple would render them obsolete, it may be time to rethink them - such as allowing them to blow their entire missile load right away in a single volley, while a cargo ship full of them would have to spend one exchange deploying them (though a cargo ship might generally carry far, far, far more of them).In essence, it requires rethinking a substantial portion of the games' stone, scissors, paper combat system.>>31876209We're kind of in a hurry right now though, and missiles could reasonably be thrown out the hatch without further ado. However, see above for possible meta-concerns about it.>>31876206Agreed. I think I'll vote for that as a secondary if available.
>>31876336I am all ideas anon.First:- hire the Razorskin clan, as aboveThen:- Buy 1 million credits worth of minerals EVERY cycle. It will bring the price up and buy us less and less of a boost over time, but it will reach equilibrium soon enough.- Open trade with Malorians. Their gas is cheaper than the primitive UFW's gas markets.- buy 1 million worth of gas every cycle.That drug money has to go somewhere.
>>31876336Well I was going to wait until we actually had some extra widowmakers first.
>>31876336Agreed. If we can get as much as a broadband ship into the same system as an enemy fleet, we can launch as effective a hacking assault as we could if we had the entire fleet there.And if we warp in the ship far from the enemy ships, they might not be able to get in range of it before some part of their armada is taken over and actively trying to block them from moving closer.
>>31876333Crystal Alien Fragments has won for Primary Slot."Most interesting this one...in the time since you found it, it has frown to fill it's container when subjected to heat. I shall look forward to testing this specimen." Metis remarks as she prepares testing.>SECONDARY SLOT VOTE>1 Modular Ship Plating>2 Lightling Language I>3 Lightling Skin AdaptationReply with nothing but the number. Vote ends in 5 minutes.
>>31876398Also like these. We have way too much money to go around.We can save the rest for research upgrades.
>>31876459Oh and the new idea I just had earlier in the thread:Try and open up trade with the Reefling Clan?They're technophiles, seems like we might buy some upgrades off them cheaper than Mol.
>>31876436Goddamn it!The Crystal Alien Fragments are another unlocking tech, it doesn't necessarily get us anything when we develop it, only let us develop more things, and we're about to be hit by a shitstorm!You didn't even research anything from the last unlock-tech that you got! Why would you even get it if you didn't want to develop anything FROM it?Sometimes, /tg/'s hivemind has frustrating cases of tunnel vision and ADHD at the same time.
>>31876436>FrownDamn. I can't lay off the f key today.>Grown*>Vote End
>>31876560All that stuff would probably take too long. Plus like that one anon said modular armour shouldn't take that long to finish.
Rolled 2>>31876436...Huh.It's a tie.Well, I guess we're rolling for it.>Roll 1, 1 wins>Roll 2, 2 wins
>>31876617That's the exact point, it takes too long.The crystal takes EVEN LONGER!Whelp, at least they got something from the lightling selection in the secondary slot.It's not what we need right now, but at least it's not another freaking Unlocking tech.
>>31876623That one vote just after deadline also worked as a tie breaker, so this is a good result.
>>31876398Yeah, these are good ideas. I wonder if we can sneak a broadband ship into the Razorskin fleet. Or just simply use them as a massing fleet for attacking Gaia again.We can also trade ships or protection for Malorian gas.
Alrighty then!Primary Slot: Crystal Alien FragmentsSecondary Slot: Lightning Language IWinnerNow, before we move onto the event I had planned...Is there anything else you folks wanted to do?I heard talk of trying to hire Losirian mercs. It's worth remembering that their space is in chaos right now (because of you), so it may not offer much yield.
>>31876746The insurgency is already going?Well yes, hire Razorskin clan.Try and buy tech upgrades from Reefling Clan.And open trade with Malorians, this time WITHOUT rolling a nat1.in fact malorians first.
>>31876746Chaos? Oh yeah that had almost slipped my mind.Really we should keep an eye on our guys so see how they are doing.
>>31876770I'll second this
>>31876746I'd like to check in with Rhea, possibly. Ask her how she's holding up, and if she needs anything.
>>31876746Losirian mercs or Pirate mercs matter little.We just need someone to strike the gas station.Now that I think about it, maybe we should strike the gas station - if it mostly has stationary defenses, we could simply park way out of their range and launch hacking attacks until it folds. (With a few ships around just in case they have mobile defenses as well, which is likely)
>>31876821no. god no.stop that. the prisoner is practically a vegetable at this point. nothing of worth is left.
>>31876839Actually, we woke her up. Remember?
>>31876835>maybe we should strike the gas stationThat is impossible. Look at the star map.It is right next to Losirian space. That's why we send Razorskin.
>>31876839Nah, she is doing just fine. She woke up, we are feeding pretty well, she just is...you know..our prisoner until we get around to researching the things that will help her out.
>>31876839Actually she's significantly more than a vegetable. What quest have you been reading?
>>31876851i said "practically". not actually.the pastebin is quite clear on her status. talking to her won't help or get us anything interesting.>Captain Rhea: Once a powerful captain of the UGEI, Rhea now spends her days half conscious within the prison on Ussaihu III. Relation is currently uncertain due to decent treatment, but imprisonment. Currently has prosthetic limbs.
>>31876746So we have:Buy Mercs for striking at Gas Station or strike it ourselves with our signature move.Open trade with MaloriansCheck how our Losirian coup is going.Try to buy tech upgrades from Reefing ClanCheck in on Rhea.>>31876869Oh. Maybe if they bring a broadband ship of their own, we might be able to hack through it as they attack?
>>31876891I want to make her loyal...then restore her to full functionality.It will be an interesting pursuit.
>>31876910That would require revealing our identity effectively.The broadband ship would be transmitting a signal that could be traced, and well it's pretty recognizable at that technology level we have as well as our style.we just need to be an anonymous customer with credits over the internet.
>>31876957Fair 'nuff, I suppose.
Well crap. I lost my post due to chrome crash. One sec, while I retype...
>>31876927and i want to ride a lightling but we can't do the impossible.she a monster, whether she always was or was made into one.
>>31876891I would propose to make a separate lab to open up another R&D line and stick her into it to restore her mentally and physically sorry for taking so long guys to get back, but I'm here
>>31877031Where are you getting that she's less redeemable than Kronos, who doesn't fully understand morals, or Metis, who disregards them entirely in the name of science. At least Rhea is loyal to whatever cause she believes in.
>>31877102Redemption isn't important. Utility is. Kronos and Metis are valuable allies and offer what only they can, an experienced AI and a sophisticated researcher. Rhea offers.... some interesting technology we can research and duplicate.But that does not require her cooperation.
>>31877156What she offers is the chance to put a very, very high-level plant inside the UGEI.
>>31877156She is also a skilled individual and someone we can use as a face. The PR we can use having her be 'flipped' to our side might be useful. Or we can simply give her a new identity and employ her for our own uses. I know she lost much of her old memories, but if we can recover some of them, it could be useful intelligence as well.
>>31877156I disagree. Returns are limited with the sample size we have. This is much less than the potential for our own infiltrator . This view is largely tied in to how to defeat the UGEI. We can't win conventionally, they're just too big. So we HAVE to use spies and revolutionaries to undermine them. There's plenty of UGEI sentiment already.
>>31877252*anti UGEI sentiment already.
>>31877226>plantShe's compromised. Her memories are shot because she's compromised. The things she could use to prove she's not compromised were probably deleted first and hardest.>PRYes, we have a war criminal as our new employee guys! Disregard her crimes she isn't going to prison or the electric chair for, she's a good guy now!She offers nothing a properly cybernetically enhanced human couldn't duplicate. And requires far more effort to make useful somehow.
So I was looking at our manufacturing capabilities, and it looks like we're capable of making Dreadnoughts now. We can make 2 per cycle. Or something like that.I propose we make one for Kronos.
>>31877317She was an effective agent, and could easily be used to drum up support against the UGEI. Additionally, she knows just how the UGEI works. If nothing else, restoring her gives us a list of names.
>>31877317>war criminalFucking seriously? Given Erebos and whatever the Malorians did? Nah, niggah, not even a thing.
>>31877371>she knows just how the UGEI worksYes. That amnesia was just a phase, I'm sure, not completely irrevocable. Because of course if we just keep trying we'll magically recover those memories.
>>31877371>Additionally, she knows just how the UGEI works.She doesn't remember anything. She doesn't remember who she is.
>>31877236>That pic.I'm sorry.
>>31877317I think it'd send a powerful message if we could get her to openly, publicly speak out against the UGEI.
>>31877387...The UFW would be horrified by Rhea's war crimes as much as they are by the Malorians.The Malorians would hate her for her war crimes and even harder for being a human.Who the hell is she GOOD PR for?
>>31877403OH DEAR GODMY SIDES ARE NOW IN WARP
>>31877408Nobody really needs to be told that UGEI is bad. Everyone fucking knows it. Except MAYBE the people in their propaganda machine, but we don't have a way of broadcasting anything there, so that's not an option.
>>31876770>InsurgencyIndeed.You make contact with your insurgent connections and let the news feed flow over. It seems a lot of the mercenary activity has been within their own territory lately, making largely gorilla tactical strikes on the Reefling Clan using the Razorskin Clan, and their own benefits thanks to your funds. The shark man in particular grunts and gives a toothy grin as he responds to your presence."Good to see, to meet again. We work much since last see. Kill many. Almost ready to hit with our secret weapon! It will be great, deadly, destructive! Never see coming. We rule space then, we call shots!" The creature says, eager to have a taste of power, you suspect, and tired of being under the heel of their own kind.You suspect you may be able to convince them to help you, if you were charismatic (and had a greasy enough palm) and hit the UGEI instead of their own kind. Alternatively, you could settle for a limited merc reaction. Some distraction is better than none, after all.>1 Convince him to carry out this large assault against the UGEI, instead of the Reefling Clan. [Losirian territory dominance likely]>2 Allow him to continue with his attack as planned, and hire mercs from the Razorskin Clan anyway [4,000,000c to attack dangerous enemy with lesser forces]>3 Write in(1d100 to diplomacy)>>31876821Other than data you've previously gathered, not much has changed. She finds herself...well, quite bored locked away this way, and she asks you to release her once in a while, growing frustrated when you refuse. In a way, she reminds you of a hospital patient who is tired of being 'under watch'.>>31877369You aren't right now, but if you were able to build ships that large, you'd be able to make 2 per cycle.
>>31877408>a powerful messageWho in the world will be there to hear it and be moved?The UGEI will not care.Everyone else already hates the UGEI.Practically everyone would have a reason to hate/distrust this ex-UGEI captain and want to see her dead, remorse is possible(...or leash protocol enforced simulation) or no.
>>31877456HI, MOL HERE WITH NEW UGEI ACCESS LEVEL II, WHERE YOU CAN TAKE YOUR ANTI-PROPOGANDA CONFESSIONAL VIDS AND IMPLEMENT THEM DIRECTLY ONTO WHATEVER NEWS NETWORK YOU CAN HACK YOURSELF INTO, ALL FOR THE LOW PAYMENT OF XXXXXX CREDITS
>>31877317just listing some possibilities. her crimes are horrible, that is true, but she also had no free will at the time either. It is true that the UFW will not be so easily forgiving of her actions, but I for one can under stand her situation. Personally I would support giving her a new Identity and giving her a chance to make amends for her past by working for us and (while keeping her ID a secret from) the UFW. also keep in mind, she is the first human cyborg we have met that has this much augments in her nervous system and not gone insane. THAT is a major hurdle that needs to be cleared before we can make more complex cyborgs.
>>31877506>not gone insane>Rhea
>>31877506>just listing some possibilitiessome impossibilities.she is of negative worth as PR. she's toxic. all that we know for sure she's good for is enhancing android and cybernetics research.>, but I for oneno one cares
>>31877494Speaking of Mol, have we tried to find any more underworld contacts through our pirates? Because thus guy is way too savvy.
Rolled 83>>318774621.Fuck it, let's do it.
Rolled 20>>31877462>(1d100 to diplomacy)Dice, Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Rolled 96>>31877451>>31877403 i found that pic some where else that is not 4chan. i had no idea about that. funny all the same >>31877462>1 Convince him to carry out this large assault against the UGEI, instead of the Reefling Clan. [Losirian territory dominance likely]
>>31877462>[Losirian territory dominance likely]What does that phrase even mean?Clarification needed.
>>31877639It means the Reeflings will win the turf war.Do we want the Reeflings to win?I don't.>2 Allow him to continue with his attack as planned, and hire mercs from the Razorskin Clan anyway [4,000,000c to attack dangerous enemy with lesser forces]
>>31877639Prolly that they are going to lose against the Reeflings
>>31877639Sorry, I meant UNLIKELYIt should have been worded>Losirian territory dominance unlikely soon.Since their efforts would be directed elsewhere.
>>31877462 >2 Allow him to continue with his attack as planned, and hire mercs from the Razorskin Clan anyway [4,000,000c to attack dangerous enemy with lesser forces]
Two more dice, if you please.
Rolled 100>>31877733>>31877462Forgot roll
Rolled 6>>31877462Sorry, didn't roll yet
>>31877462Since they are about to launch a big attack on to take over Losirian territory like we wanted them to I would rather let them.Since...that was the entire point of funding them and if we weaken them by diverting their ships the Reefing Clan just might come in and wipe the clan we are funding out.>2 Allow him to continue with his attack as planned, and hire mercs from the Razorskin Clan anyway [4,000,000c to attack dangerous enemy with lesser forces]
>>31877756DIPLOMANCY IS NOW
>>31877756damn.does a nat100 on hiring mercs get us a discount from 4million?
>yfw state-of-the-art UGEI secret tech androids are pretty much level 9 safeguards
>>31877756>picAlso, in light of the clarification in >>31877709 I'm going to re-vote to 2.
>>31877462>1 Convince him to carry out this large assault against the UGEI, instead of the Reefling Clan. [Losirian territory dominance likely]
>>31877768It also might mean making competition for our sharkeys. What do Losirians spend money on?
>>31877551I remember when we first got the Ussaihu lab, the test cyborgs were all nuts from the neural interface problems. i still do not think we have cleared that yet, but Rhea has. >>31877587yes we can still feed her to Metis, but that will likely kill her. As Program0 showed that such is the fate of ones we take apart to study with unit 2237. I feel we can flip her to our side as we flipped Red. I get the feeling that once she is restored, she can fight better than any droid or any power armor trooper we will have for some time. i do not like to waste a possible asset if we can help it.
Rolled 2Another tie it seems.>1 means 1 wins>2 means 2 wins>>31877756Takin' this.
>>31877830Thank you based dice gods.
>>31877830>inb4 they ask us to get ships for them, send us a plan for a dreadnought filled with all kinds of weapons-tech goodies
>>31877800Wouldn't they just blow the fuck out of our fleet if it was the case?Pcell is best blame
>>31877826No, she can't.It will be faster to research all the technology she has that we don't, and mass produce droids just as powerful and versatile.than to waste the same amount of time breaking her mind open, then fixing her body, then "earning her loyalty" (there isn't a research option for that, it's all handwavey magic).screw hero units.
>>31877890Blame sequel featuring Pcell's descendant/clone/futuregenerations nevermore ;_;DhomochevskyxPcell best pairing
>>31877462You decide not to direct the insurgency elsewhere, and instead hire some of the Razorskin Clan. You get lucky, and catch them coming back from a raid for your insurgents. They agree to hit the UGEI target, but try to persuade money out of you due to the danger involved. You are a shrewd business man, however, and talk them down to half that."Fine, good then. We attack refinery. Draw attention. Not fight out of turf though. UGEI attack homes again if do." He seems surprisingly wary of attacking the UGEI despite being a bloodthirsty merc.>Bought their services 50% off! 2,000,000c gone, Merc attack on UGEI territory this cycle to divert attention.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------You take the time to aim your attention towards the Malorian tribes now. You have contact with them, and while your relations have improved quite a bit, they're still wary of you. But they might be willing to trade, if you had a silver enough tongue...>1 Speak with the Malorians about some manner of alliance against the UGEI (may end discussion early, if failed)>2 Speak with Malorians about some trading (Baby steps)>3 Write in(1d100 for silverness of tongue)>>31877919>There's no research option for earning loyaltyOh Consciousness anon, don't we all wish organics were so simple?
>>31877952>DhomochevskyMah fucking nigga.
Rolled 58>>31878005>2 Speak with Malorians about some trading (Baby steps)
>>31878005>>2 Speak with Malorians about some trading (Baby steps)Obviously.Alliance is terrible ideatrade and access to their internet equivalent (Worldweb?) will open opportunity for cultural research by Apollo!
Rolled 35>>31878005>1 Speak with the Malorians about some manner of alliance against the UGEI (may end discussion early, if failed)
Rolled 12>>31878005>2 Speak with Malorians about some trading (Baby steps)Small steps in the right direction.
Rolled 50>>318780052.man why didn't we mention trade before, anon >>30838916 and subroutine definitely mentioned it. We need access to their gas markets(which even the UFW doesn't get to trade with?) and/or their version of the internet. (On the plus side, we fulfilled our promise in >>30839129 to help prevent some loss of their territory. One world at least.)we better get a big bonus for fulfilling our promise that one time.
Rolled 34>>31878005 >2 Speak with Malorians about some trading (Baby steps)
Rolled 9>>31877919>>31878005I know we can't buy her loyalty, i never said that. I would at least give her a chance and a choice. If she rejects us, then by all means, feed her to Metis for all i care. If she wants to redeem herself, then let her at least try. if she shows betrayal then we should kill her. at lest give her a choice. >>31878005>2 Speak with Malorians about some trading (Baby steps)
>>31878020Damn, that's gonna be a close one...>2 wins, Speak about perhaps trading?>Writing
>>31878133>at lest give her a choicewhy should we.she's more useful as a guinea pig.>>31878148Malorian diplomacy is cursed.
>>31878148On the note of trading, we should send them data on the UGEI's weapon, and offer to figure out a counter which we can give to them, with payment (in technology) to be rendered in full once we deliver.
>>31878168>we should send them data on the UGEI's weaponoh god no anon stop this is "mention cyborgs to the Ishtooy" tier stupid.don't TELL THEM we didn't destroy the weapon designed to target their species and their species alone by tossing it into the nearest star and instead kept it for ourselves for "research"!
>>31878167>malorian diplomacy is cursedI honestly think we should hire one of the Ishtooy, that girl Malorian, to help us speak to the council.An interpreter is superior to having to rely on sabotaged linguistics software.>>31878198It's only stupid if they don't already know about it. And they probably do, considering we could not save one of their worlds.
>>31878250>It's only stupid if they don't already know about it.we're not just telling them that the UGEI has this weapon.we're telling them WE HAVE ONE. and didn't DESTROY it for an abomination and danger to their race.we are steel-tainted ones, we cannot be trusted. we should not say we have a weapon that can slaughter Malorians by the billions!
>>31878285You don't need to use emphasis, anon.It's only a quest.But I do see your point.
>>31878285>>31878250I agree with this guy, you should stop.
You make contact through to the Malorian network, thankfully still able to connect to them despite the vast distances and the UGEI's own efforts at disabling communications. Their relay is old, you can tell simply by speaking with them this way. Static filled on occasion."Who is this? Why do you call us?" Demands a shorter, reddish copper Malorian man, growling back until your symbol displays itself across the holo display to represent you. He seems to recognize it. Interesting. "Wait...you...I know I have seen this symbol." He pauses, thinking hard for a moment. "Hold." He half demands, as he goes to connect you with, you guess, his superior."Greenless...it is you..." An elderly tone echos through to you-an elder perhaps, but not the same one from the Council you contacted so long ago. Perhaps the Ishtooy's Elder himself? "Why have you called this day? Many children still fear your symbol and presence. Arm themselves against all. Yet you stood at our side and attacked your own kind. Such a disgrace can only mean things are far more dire in the world beyond then we could hope to imagine." He dwells on for a few long moments."I called simply to speak. I am happy to assist you as I did, but there are other ways in which I would like assistance..." You attempt to steer the conversation."Resources. You desire our lands, then-" He starts, but you interrupt."No. I do not. Rather, I simply desire a fair trade.""What is fair to you then, Greenless? Do you impose value on dirt, and give it to me in hopes I give up my ancestors?" He half scoffs, before shaking his head."No. Rather, Any value you name. If you have the resources to spare..."This earns pause from him, and finally, he speaks again."Then we may discuss matters. A man willing to hear an offer is one who does not hope to steal and cheat. What is it you would like?">How much gas would you like to buy/Credits you'd like to use to buy gas?
>>31878367Maybe 100 or 200 more gas?How much do we need to expand our war machine?
>>31878367Enough to build and supply Metis' research facility
>>31878367...can we not gather what the going market rate for gas is in their sector?I mean I'd like to buy 10000 gas for 1 million credits in a perfect world but
>>31878367probably a simple start of 200 gas is fine with the possablity of buying more later on.
>>31878367200-400 gas would be great. How much would something like that cost, if it doesn't just break them?
>>31878367All the gas they can give us for 1 million credits.Every cycle.
>>31878550This. Ping Metis about necessary resources for research.
>>31878550That sounds like a good number.
>>31878461>How much do we needThat is up to you.>100The Malorian Elder simply nods and says under his breath."Then fuel is what you need. Less worrisome. " He simply nods, and shows you what he is willing to trade for.>100 Gas goes for 50,000c per bundle."I trust this is acceptable for a first time buyer, then?">How much did you want to get at this price?Chances are it will increase if you get too much, like most buying resources events go. But they are unlinked to the UFW, so they would deal with inflation separately.
>>31878649>unacceptable>give us 200 for 100,000c (or: double their current offer)These guys seem to have fairly cheap gas, may as well start at 200.
>>31878461>Maybe 100 or 200 more gas?You think too small. We get 1875~ Gas every cycle right now.We have enough money to double that.>>31878649Buy 1 million credits of gas per cycle.
>>31878649500 gas300,000cThat should be acceptable. Let's not push them too hard with offers like 1 million.
>>31878699This will do nicely.
>>31878699> mathdid you just... offer to pay a higher per-unit price?
>>31878726Yes.Both as a gesture of goodwill and for requesting five times as much as he offered (inflation, etc).
>>31878649500,000c for 1000 Gas / cycle
>>31878699I can get behind this. Can we also suggest selling them some of our surplus minerals?
>>31878726He did.300,000/50,000 is 6. Or 600 units of gas.Although he is likely accounting for inflation as a result of our actions.
>>31878699>>31878741Hmm, you actually make a rather good point. I'll second that as well
>>31878649I think that as our first purchase from them this is acceptable.Do we need more? Yes, but this is also our first trade and I think it's more symbolic in that we "can" work together.
>>31878699Actually, that would cost 250,000c.>Small vote>1 Pay 250,000c for 500G>2 Pay 500,000c for 1000G>3 Pay 1,000,000c for 2000G>>31878753If this gained support, and an amount was decided, yes.
>>31878804>How about 500G for 225,000c?
>>31878753>surplus minerals>surplus>mineralsanon you high?If anything we need to buy minerals. Not from them though. The UFW.>>31878804>3 Pay 1,000,000c for 2000G
>>31878804 >2 Pay 500,000c for 1000G
>>31878804>1 Pay 250,000c for 500GI would be willing to buy their juicy minerals.
>>31878699I like this guy. Maybe he can break our malicious malorian luck.
>>31878804>3 Pay 1,000,000c for 2000G
>>31878839Don't cheap them out. We rolled a 50, we need to increase relation points.>>31878804>2 Pay 500,000c for 1000G
>>31878804>2 Pay 500,000c for 1000G
>>31878804>>3 Pay 1,000,000c for 2000G...can we make this a per-cycle income trade?
>>31878839That would likely require a diplomacy roll.We have a terrible track record with Malorian diplomacy.>>31878804>2
>>31878649>>100 Gas goes for 50,000c per bundle.>only half the price of UFW gasFuck, he is gouging us for being a greenless, ain't he. darn low rolling.
>>31878804Let's go with 2Don't want to sell them minerals, we need those resources!
>>31878804>2 Appears to win.>>31878890You can not, Consciousness anon. It would quickly multiply out of control in price.
>>31878967Ah well.Can we set up a flat spending of credits, funneled through a hundred shell companies so it isn't obvious it's us, buying up minerals in the UFW then?1 million credits' worth of it each cycle, earning fewer minerals as the price rises?
For those that desired to have a peak at what the Reefling Clan has to offer, here you are. They are at war with their own people (not to mention a bunch of mercs) so their tech is hardly cheap.Reefling Market-Orbital Foundries: 6 million credits-Infantry Weapons & Defense II: 25 million credits-Ballistics I: 7 million credits-Explosives I: 9 million credits-Genetic Engineering I: 4 million credits
>>31878967>it would multiply out of controlAI are economic honey badgers.We'd find a way.
>>31879067>at warhaha... ha...guess we should've thought of that earlier.>-Genetic Engineering I: 4 million creditsHey, cheaper than Mol. a little.
>>31879067>those pricesHow good are the Reeflings at computer security?
>>31879067Orbital Fucking Foundries.
>>31879122You'd spend all our remaining credits on it?
>>31879114...I hate to do it...but let's do this...maybe we can make copies. We could inquire with Kronos and Metis about this, since they are both the premiere hackers.
>>31879114At their own? Pretty decent, as far as you can tell, they aren't way easier to hack at least.>>31879109Indeed. They have that stuff in abundance, so they figure no one really wants it.Doesn't mean they don't want to rip off people.>>31879167Warning: If you do this, the Reeflings will almost certainly openly declare war on you, and attempt to revolt back into their own sector of space.
>>31879151What else are we going to do with them?>Allows for more materials and complex construction to be used in orbital structures. Shipyards are able to construct more ships, and allows for more advanced shipbuilding technology.>>31879167>>31879114How about no.Also, Ophion is the best hacker.
>>31879185>and attempt to revolt back into their own sector of space.Huh?What does that mean?
>>31874228>Battle Station II: A stronger, more resiliant and capable battle space station suited to fit many different types of weapons and provide orbital support against enemy attack.We should build a few of these.
>>31879209They would, essentially allow you to build more ships faster.
>>31879243I know what the tech does, I was talking about credits. I should point out that this is not an incentive to bankrupt us. If we don't have money, we can wait a little bit, then buy this tech.>>31879221All of our defense platforms have been upgraded to Mk already.
>>31879243But we don't even have the minerals to build more ships faster.the speed of our shipyards are not a bottleneck yet. how many minerals a cycle would we need to saturate them?
>>31879218Basically>Launch attacks>Pull back contacts with Guild, and attempt to seek out all spies. Attempting to hide or destroy data caches too.>>31879221There is the option of that. You replaced Ussaihu's old one with one, for instance.
>>31879263It depends on what you build.
>>31879266Could we...make a research station? One for Metis, out in deep space?
>>31879317Not deep space. That's wasteful.Siren.
>>31879329Oh wow after typing that I only just now got the whole... Siren......gas nebula cloud thing your ships get wrecked on...ha.
>>31879329Thats the gravity place right?
>>31879341If something is in deep space, everyone can TELL it's there.Hiding inside a system with lots of interference and dangerous to warp into blind, though...it's very suited for a well defended and secret location.
>>31879263Our current production capability is>100 Destroyers, 40 Cruisers, or 2 Dreadnoughts per cycle>GM-Cr-MR-2 'Trireme' Class Cruiser>Cost: 150M 100G~If all we build it Triremes, we'd need 6k M, 4k G to max out.GM-E-MR-1 'Pilum' Class Destroyer>Cost: 20M 10GIf all we build is Pilums, we'd need 2k M, 1k G to max out.So, we CAN max out production capabilities if we only build Escort-class ships.>>31879317We would need to buy/research two techs before doing that:Orbital Foundries and then Deep Space Constructors
>>31879329Yep. That is something I greatly support.
>>31879372I say we split it evenly. One dreadnought, 10 cruisers, and 25 destroyers this cycle.
>>31879317You'd need to build it on a massive space station to do so Which would be Deep Space Constructors, unless you want it to take forever.>>31879346Only too 25+ threads. I still got it, baby. I thought it was lame typing it the first time, don't worry.>>31879372Yay math!Anywho, it seems I should wrap things up soon...is there anything I am missing out on? If not, then one final vote>Advance Cycle end thread time>1 Yes>2 NoBE AWARE: This means that resources will be gathered, research made, but also that attacks will begin, or enemy fleets move (since it will b their 'turn' so to speak.)
>>31879419>One dreadnoughtanon we don't even have ship plans for how to make Carriers, let alone Dreadnoughts. we have to steal those don't we
>>31879426>1 YesCan we build carriers and windowmakers to our fleet?
>>31879426can't we set up a buy for minerals first?
>>31879426Instead of deep space could it be build around Siren?Yes
>>31879458From the UFW?Sure, I suppose, but you bought from them last cycle.UFW Price (Temporarily increased)100 Minerals: 25,000c>1 Yes (How many)>2 No
>>31879372On top of that, some quick numbers:We can build 16 Triremes per cycle, without dipping into reserves.>>31879419YOU REQUIRE MORE MINERALSYOU REQUIRE MORE VESPENE GASWe should definitely build as many as we can, though. Shit's about to get real.We should build Kronos a Dreadnought, if we can. I don't think we have the plans for it, though.>>31879426If we make a stealth destroyer, how many boarding pods would it be able to launch?The Triremes all come with Boarding Torpedoes, by the way.
>>31879419>>31879541I think we want to put some widowmakers in that list>>31879502>1 Yes (How many)
>>31879502I thought we needed to buy 5,000 before prices increased and we bought half that?Well,5,000M for 1,250,000c is well within our income.
>>31879502Enough to build a R&D base around Siren.
>>31879541>DreadnoughtYou do not, no. Those are estimations.>Stealth DestroyerYou have one already.>Boarding podsCan not be equipped to Destroyers. Too small.>Triremes come with boarding TorpedoesThat they do. You should acquire factories soon and build an actual boarding force up. You have only a few droids now to go with them.
>>31879436Let's ask Fortuna, our fleet manager, if she has any input on what a good dreadnought design would be?
>>31879601Dammit Jim, she's a pilot, not a goddamn engineer.
>Buy minerals>1 5,000M for 1,250,000c>2 Other
>>31875259>"Discounting the many that would die from cancerous tumors, and other such methods of nasty death, should I have sufficient technology, and enough time for the change to take effect...perhaps."How about taming them?
>>31878005> Not fight out of turf though.What did that even mean?Arman's Folly itself is "out of turf" isn't it?
>>31879729I think they don't plan on sticking around if any significant portion of the UGEI war machine shows up.
Yes it is.And now, things to build.>Orbital Research Station>1 Build a Research Station at Siren (Hidden, built as space station) [1000M 700G]>2 Build it at Atocian I (Bonus to Crystal Alien research due to nearby source of it, possible danger) [1000M 700G]>3 Don't build one at all right now>4 Write in>>31879717Difficult, if impossible. The best you can hope for is being invisible to their kind, and able to order them around certain sectors.>>31879794Yup.>Droid FactoryBuild infrastructure on land>1 Build it on Atocian I [1500 minerals, 500 gas]>2 Build it on Argeis III [1500 minerals, 500 gas]>3 Don't build it>4 Write in
>>318798953. Not right now1. Atocia I(Yes, I know what's there, and this is an intentional placement)
>>31879600>You have only a few droids now to go with them.Look, guys, I know we've had our differences of opinion, but can we all agree that boarding an enemy dreadnaught or carrier with robots is a damn good idea?
>>31879895>1 Build a Research Station at Siren (Hidden, built as space station) [1000M 700G]>2 Build it on Argeis III [1500 minerals, 500 gas]
>>31879895Program0, how much would to cost to upgrade some of our ships with Widowmakers?Also, build a Carrier for Kronos.
>>31879895>>1 Build it on Atocian I [1500 minerals, 500 gas]Definitely.Nice secret location that the UFW isn't claiming is theirs.
>>31879895>1 Build a Research Station at Siren (Hidden, built as space station) [1000M 700G]>3 Don't build it
>>31879895>>2 Build it at Atocian I (Bonus to Crystal Alien research due to nearby source of it, possible danger) [1000M 700G]>>4 Write inIs Dresh an option?
>>31879980>Widow MakerRebuilding a ship around it, plus a pretty decent gas cost. 200 or so for Cruiser sizes. Bigger is slightly more expensive.>CarrierAt least gonna be 400M+ 300G+Depends on equipment.>>31880024>DreshNah. You need a large complex for large scale building, and they don't have territory they can share that large.
>>31880062Thanks. How much more destructive power would a carrier or Athena have over a Battlecruiser? I remember Kronos taking out 40 destroyers with with a Widowmaker once.
>>31879895>1 Build a Research Station at Siren (Hidden, built as space station) [1000M 700G]and>1 Build it on Atocian I [1500 minerals, 500 gas]Appear to be the winners.Any other last minute things, folks? Because we're almost done, I figure.>Twitter: AIQuest1>Archive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Program0I'll be around for comments, questions or discussion n' such.
>>31880062How much to put a widowmaker on Ophion's battleship? maybe not to scale, but still. just imagine if we built a battle ship around a widowmaker scaled up to it.
>>31880119>Any other last minute things, folks?Build a replacement Widowmaker cruiser. Custom model, copy TTT's design.
>>31880109It'd be pretty damn powerful, depending on what you roll for the attack.
>>31880121Battleship sized Widowmaker would blow apart entire space stations, probably.>>31880142Any support for this? Would cost around 200-300 gas.
>>31880119Ah, already? I feel we didn't do all that much? ;_;>>31880119>>31880144Thanks. I think we should really invest in building the windowmaker into the Athena.Also, are there research lab space for purchase in the UFW?
>>31880119I suppose after trade, next we'll want to ask for Internet access to Malorians for our and Apollo's cultural enrichment.Shall we add more mysterious holograms to our repertoir in case we need them someday?