Your speaker stands hunched over Lee, who is sitting on the soft floor of your hive’s inner chamber, he stares up at the new drone, taking in the unfamiliar features. The new drone is brightly colored in stark contrast to the rest of your children, and its mandibles hug its face like a stubby beak. Your offer to take him back to his kind gives him great relief, and he quickly makes an effort to stand. He grabs the wall and climbs up half way before vaulting his weight onto he feet. His left leg is functional, and many of the scrapes and gashes have healed, while the right leg remains sealed in the suit, which has swollen into a rigid shell around it and prevents it from bending. You assume from his quick show of pain that it is still broken, but it seems to have improved greatly in the last few days.“Ok, so what are we waiting for, then? The camp is about a day’s walk up-stream.” Lee says as he props himself against the wall, hopping slightly as he shifts his weight to his left leg. “I,ll need my stuff though. The Colonel will have my head if he finds out I left a Cip pistol out in the field. Those things are expensive.” He gestures to the lightning gun lying next to several piles of categorized viscera.>Refuse to give back the lightning gun>Give back the lightning gun>OtherYour new workers are stronger and more capable than the last generation, and they are eager to prove it. How will you divvy up the work?1 thinker, 1 worker researching3 workers on guard duty16 workers stand idle2 thinkers stand idleWork is assumed evenly distributed among idle drones unless otherwise stated.
>>31740076Your hive has expanded in size.>General Storage room – large empty space for storage of various items and resources, currently holding small pile of food, the remains of local creatures, and research samples>reservoir chamber – large dug out tank and lined with waterproofed organic compounds to prevent leaks or contamination. Offers steady supply of water in the event emergency. Water flow from the spring has been re-routed until it is filled.Potential new construction>Nursery – large room that offers more space for egg storage>Dedicated storage – either modifying current storage or building a storage room dedicated to a certain good would decrease the threat of contamination or infection.>Laboratory – a sealed location for performing experiments on local specimens would decrease the chance of contamination or infection, and permit thinkers to perform more risky procedures, increasing research speed.>Throne room – moving yourself to a location deeper within the hive may provide greater safety in the event of attack.>Infrastructure – (15 Nutrients, 1 thinker to operate) basic infrastructure in the form of living surfaces to detect and regulate humidity and temperature within the hive, regulate water flow to help prevent flooding, and seal off rooms with doorways made of membranes of living tissue.>Other (write in)
>>31740096>Last thread http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest>Twitter https://twitter.com/HiveQueenQuest>Biology of the Hive http://pastebin.com/ucjHL4Tq>Current resource reservesNutrients: 240Metals: 25>Hive population and upkeep cost Queen – 5Worker (20) – 40Warrior (2) – hatch in 1 dayThinker (3) – 9Speaker – 3Nutrient costs: 57>IncomeNutrients: 50Net: -7>Current research underway – Ocean substance, this strange, lethal substance seems to be capable of severing your control over your drones.>Available research optionsLightning gun – Very slow, potential of failure and destruction of sample deviceLocal fauna samples – Medium, (cost 10 Nutrients in lost food) testing locally gathered food sources may yield insight into the nature of the local biology>Research has produced new adaptationsLegs – EM sensitivity, the small sensors on the legs of the dissected predator are adapted to detect and home in on electric fields to find food underground. Drones with this adaptation will be able to sense electric currents at a distance at the cost of speed.Antennae – Olfactory enhancement, dissection of the alien predator has revealed that it is actually blind. Its head is covered in powerful olfactory receptors capable of following a scent at great distance. Drones with this adaptation would be able to follow the scent trail of known creatures or objects at great distances at the cost of other senses. By further dulling other senses the effect can be boosted.Mandibles – Vocalizer, observation of the human has granted the knowledge of creating a replica mouth capable of forming verbal speech. The mandibles have been reduced in size to form a single layer of chitin analogous to teeth, with the vocal chords and tongue needed to form language. Drones with this adaptation can speak verbally with other races in their own language at the cost of utility.
>>31740076>>Refuse to give back the lightning gundammit we should've hidden that.>2 thinkers stand idlewait don't they not hatch until tomorrow? 3 days incubation?we need to research the ocean spores and spicy jelly, though. which i think we already are?
>>31740096>>Laboratory – a sealed location for performing experiments on local specimens would decrease the chance of contamination or infection, and permit thinkers to perform more risky procedures, increasing research speed.yes that.>Give back the lightning gun...we can loot his comrade's body next.we need to do that right now in fact. back to that creature's clearing!>send 3 drones there to salvage the dead guy
>>31740138They had 1 day of incubation when you layed the new workers, so they hatched at the same time, and yes, you are currently researching the ocean spores, I just wanted to list out other potential research subjects that you could assign other thinkers to, or have the thinkers help boost current research.
>>31740076>OtherOrder the workers to kill the human. We cannot let him go back to his people. They will try to exterminate us.
>>31740183well in that case boost current research.we need steady food supply.
>>31740076>Refuse to give back the gun>Explain it as "We would like to study it. Simply say you lost it in a scuffle. It is, technically, true after all."
>>31740183If we research the lightning gun, will we be able to create biological versions of it?I mean, we have genetic memory that allows us to create a goddamn warp drive.
>>31740245>biological versions of it?we are capable of creating technology, it's not like we have biological FTL drives.it's not the kind of thing that seems suitable to biology.
>>31740076>Send 6 workers as escort to the edge of human lands with guy, then let only speaker take him. For protection>Send 10 out foraging for sources of food.>Apply thinkers to the other thinker's research project immediately.
>>31740076>Refuse to give back the lightning gunAlso kill him. You people are ridiculous. Do you have any sense of self-preservation? Diplomacy means death.
>>31740245Yes, once you reverse engineer it you will be able to make more, however there is a chance that the sample will be destroyed and your attempts to understand it will fail. It will likely still need metals to produce, however.>>31740270it's both, technically. Machine components grown into organic devices to make it easy to repair and maintain.
>>31740096>New construction topic:When workers get back from foraging, make a dedicated Laboratory, then a throne room in that order.
>>31740076send 3 workers to salvage the other dead human's suit for technology and another lightning gun.send 9 workers to build a Laboratory.send 4 out to forage for food.i.... guess we're stuck giving the lightning gun back. i am kinda curious how colonists stranded on deathworld will react to nonaggressive aliums.
>>31740076>The camp is about a day’s walk up-streamI thought we were at the source of the river up the mountainside?
>>31740350They will kill us, because a false-positive judgement of threat is better than a false-negative. It is Star Trek level naivete to send him back.
>>31740350Considering how dangerous this planet is I think they'll be glad something here isn't out to kill them.
>>31740308Ah, but we only need to find the metals to create more. So we might have to create a digging operation to create advanced technology and make specialized drones that can process and refine ore for us to use.
>>31740389You should calm your paranoid pants, anon. We don't know they'll try to kill us ,especially with this guy on our side.
>>31740436Yeah I'm wondering what our genetic memory has to say about that.We don't have organic smelting, do we? Or will we construct a furnace.
>>31740473I was thinking we would have a drone with a digestive system that eats rocks and shits metals.
>>317401313 workers to retrieve human remains and technology from jungle4 workers to forage for more foodbuild Laboratory to contain experimental samples>>31740388He seems to be referring to another source of water, upon questioning he informs you it drains rain water into the river along the base of your mountain.>Use thinkers to boost current research>use thinkers to start more research>use a thinker to micromanage hive (offers stat boost to rolls done by drones, but thinker cannot perform other tasks)
>>31740463We don't know that they won't. The prisoner has no loyalty to us. I'm not paranoid. You're naive. I thought this was alien hive queen quest, not happy sunshine diplomacy quest.
>>31740463> We don't know they'll try to kill usWe do know that they can't kill us if they don't know we exist, though. That is certainly better.>especially with this guy on our side.even he is faintly terrified on an irrational level.the one thing is that there aren't many of them, they're stranded not here on purpose, and so they might avoid conflict if they can.the trouble might only come when more people come rescue them, and recognize what we are.>>31740508>>Use thinkers to boost current research
>>31740508>>use thinkers to start more researchResearch the lightning gun.
>>31740508>Use thinkers to boost research.
>>31740540It is alien hive queen quest, it's not murder all organic lifeforms JUST IN CASE quest either.We just want to go about it a different way.
It is worth noting that because of our delay, their allies could have found the remains of the other human and collected it's equipment already.They obviously want to hide tech from us. however they are lacking in communication with their kind. being stuck as they are we could kill them later and loot their guns, or steal them all, not to mention we have knowledge of advanced tech already.I say we do return the gun just to create the illusion of being harmless. Not sure if we should spell out that we know they don't want to share their tech or pretend to be savages.Either way, if they believe we are returning their tech unmolested they will let their guard down more.
>>31740622Just keep him here until we're done researching the lightning gun so we have an equalizer.No one is advocating killing all the humans, we're just being cautious.
>>31740622>murderthe point is to remain hidden until we are strong.then it will be safe to talk to aliens whose knowledge and threat assessment towards our species are unknown.>>31740647>It is worth noting that because of our delay, their allies could have found the remains of the other human and collected it's equipment already.Yeah, I suggested salvage in last thread, but we didn't get to it during the 2 day timeskip to eggs hatching.did we do anything in that time actually?
>>31740662Some players are advocating killing the humans.
>>31740622I did not mention genocide. I'm just saying that we should not let this human go. He will alert the others to our presence.>if they believe we are returning their tech unmolested they will let their guard down moreNo. Once they learn that we exist they will do the opposite of let their guard down. They will try to kill us because that is what a species concerned with its survival does when faced with a threat.>>31740662I do. I think we should either kill them all or gain control over them with our hive mind.
>>31740647>however they are lacking in communication with their kindby that i am referring to them being lost in space, crashlanded with no communication to their sparefaring bretheren.>Not sure if we should spell out that we know they don't want to share their tech or pretend to be savages.I am seeing 3 paths here1. We are smart enough to figure out that you actually don't want us to reverse engineer it... we don't mind because we are that friendly- sounds silly and we lack a frame of reference to it.2. We are smart enough to figure out that you actually don't want us to reverse engineer it... we don't mind because we are more advanced than that.3. we play stupid, get underestimated.I am leaning towards 3
>>31740692>>31740662I'd be okay keeping him around, I guess, until he's healed/our research is done.
>>31740692>Yeah, I suggested salvage in last thread, but we didn't get to it during the 2 day timeskip to eggs hatching.And I upvoted it. furthermore I am pretty sure i suggested we salvage it and bury it right outside our cave without letting him see it.
>>31740698no, just advocating killing one human as a coverup.we're kinda committed at this point though. it'd be weird to reverse course when we already created a Speaker drone and offered to take him back right now.
>>31740508Thinkers boosting current researchThe topic of the human seems to be the most split>return the lightning gun>refuse
>>31740730We're not committed. We did not send him away. There is still time to reverse this retarded course of action you retards chose last thread.>refuseAlso, do not let him go.
>>31740738>>refuseWe can give it to him after we've reverse engineered it.
>>31740738>>return the lightning gunCan we retroactively have sent drones to retrieve the other guy's tech while the eggs were incubating?and not have let him see the salvage, just brought them somewhere closer outside the hive.
>>31740692Your workers were foraging, and building in your hive.The humans seem to have a bad track record with entering the jungle.
>>31740738Do a contentious vote. Only the reply and only the number corresponding to the option; no greentexting.Like this:> Return the lightning gun.> Keep the lightning gun.
>>31740706But they're literally a 'seek out intelligent life' group of humans. That is the least hostile they can get.
>>31740706>No. Once they learn that we exist they will do the opposite of let their guard down. They will try to kill us because that is what a species concerned with its survival does when faced with a threat.They can't kill us, they are too few and without support. They are lost and alone on a hostile planetBy let their guard down I mean "more likely to share info about their society, and more likely to tell us about those people they are fighting in space"then when we have that info we either kill them and loot their tech. or we use them to form an alliance with their kind against the apples or whatever other monstrosity is out there.Then again. your suggestion is tempting as all hell.
>>31740747Yes, but it's very very strange when we hatched the Speaker, and then had its first words as an offer to return Spaceman Lee to his 'hive', and then we suddenly imprison or terminate him.In fact, completely unexplainable beyond sheer insanity. a common symtom of Quest MCs, but still.
>>31740738>Refuse if we only have the one>It's fine if we picked up another.
>>31740738>>return the lightning gunWe should've hidden it. Ah well.
Is there any reason to believe the humans would be hostile towards us other than the assumption that humans are automatically hostile to everything?
>>31740738>return the lightning gun
>>31740768>no greentexting.its actually>Use only the number>Don't quote the action, just the number>Don't greentext>Quote post of vote>No extra textthe reason is because it makes every vote look identical. the reason that works is because your IP is checked and you aren't allowed to make identical posts within 5 minutes of a post.
>>31740820>We should've hidden it. Ah well.How would they know if we simply don't allow him to leave? We can let him go when we reverse engineered that shit.
>>31740824>believe the humans would be hostileThis human has a visceral fear response to our appearance and even our human-imitating Speaker drone.Some species are prone to irrational impulses.The chance is low, especially with them already desperate for survival, but it's highly possible that our species is well-known as a threat by this Union.
>>31740854>How would they know if we simply don't allow him to leave? >We can let him go when we reverse engineered that shit.we already told him 2 days, how do you explain extra delay?reverse engineering most likely to destroy the object in process
>>31740854We already committed to letting him go after 2 days, rather than when his leg heals, or any other criteria.revealing our presence is a foolhardy risk, i agree, but we're already on this path, and there are potential rewards for this risk--knowledge we don't have. technology they can trade us for food or defense.
>>31740858The biped didn't recognize our species, however. It's possible this is first contact between species, rather than just first contact between individuals.
>>31740858Even though it was confirm that this is the first time our species has ever made contact with humans.
>>31740895>we already told him 2 days, how do you explain extra delay?Who cares? What is he going to do, hobble back?>reverse engineering most likely to destroy the object in processNo, there is a chance it will. Which will decrease with the amount of thinkers we put on the task.
>>31740913By 'well-known' I meant not to everyone, but to more secretive authorities within the Union who will get wind of first-contacts.
>>31740926>>we already told him 2 days, how do you explain extra delay?>Who cares? What is he going to do, hobble back?Are you seriously this retarded?>we hold him another 10 days>then we send him back with a broken gun>he tells them "they said 2 days, then when I asked for my gun back they held me prisoner for a while while experimenting on it before sending me back"fuck no, that is utter retardation. If we don't give it back we must actually kill him.
>>31740934OP said that this was the first time humans made contact with our species.
>>31740738>return the lightning gunAs you dispatch your workers to salvage the remains of the other human you found in the jungle, you decide it best to stay on friendly terms. A worker picks up the small device and carries it over to Lee, who slowly, and with a rather tense look, flips a switch and places it back in his suit."Heh, safety was off this whole time... No harm done though." He pats the holster as it unfolds to cover the grip. "I can lead to way, shall we head out?">Yes>I still have questions (write in)
>>31740976alternatively, we send him back now and have our speaker negotiate with their leader about compensation for returning the gun.Either way, holding him captive for the duration of the reverse engineering is worse than just killing him
>>31740076>Give back the lightning gun
>>31740787People change their minds after some thought.How do we know that they are stranded? That is what the prisoner said. We have no reason to trust him. It is foolish to let him go warn the humans.>>31740913Perhaps the first time our queen has came into contact with humans. Probably not the first time our species has.We gain nothing from this.
>>31740991>No.Kill the human.
>>31740991yes, head out.and send the drones to pickup the gear of the eaten one>How do we know that they are stranded?we listened in on their conversations in earlier threads
>>31741005You underestimate how vast space is.
>>31740976>"they said 2 days, then when I asked for my gun back they held me prisoner for a while while experimenting on it before sending me back"We can explain it as a communication barrier. Seriously, do they expect perfect communication between species on day one?As for the lightning gun, who cares? If we start mass producing them and arm our soldiers what can they do? They have limited manpower and weaponry, while we would be able to make more.
>>31740991>One question quick"What will you tell them of me? I do not desire war."
>>31740991>YesSend two workers to guard him as well as the speaker if we aren't already.
>>31740991Can you at least do a final destination vote for this? It seemed contentious.
>>31740991>YesOffer to have a work carry him back at least part way, so he doesn't strain his injuries leg.
>>31740991> after some thoughtliterally like 5 seconds passed since we said that.>>31740991>YesWe can actually talk through the Speaker as we go.Let's not waste workers on giving him an escort though.
>>31741005>We gain nothing from this.we gain info about the apples, about their society, about any other alien species in the area, about which systems they are located inthen when we get all that info we kill them with overwhelming numbers and reverse engineer their techOR when we encounter their species in the interplanetary empire phase we send them as envoys to sue for peace (even if only as a ruse)
>>31741059That won't do shit. We literally showed him on a map where we were located.
>>31741069The speaker is defenseless by itself.
>>31741041>Send two workers to guard himno, all our workers can be doing USEFUL things.honestly we lose practically nothing if he dies. in fact we regain the lightning gun.who cares if he lives or dies, but we don't have to be the ones to do it.
>>31740991>kill himGod damn diplomancers
>>31741091The speaker is replaceable, too. We don't need to diplomance in the next 2 days, the time it takes to hatch. it's not urgent.Even our first-gen drones could manage some distance in the jungle without getting attacked. they just hid when they sensed creatures.
>>31741098Hey it worked for the Ogres.
>>31741061One person disagrees.
>>31741061Seconding. This reeked of samefag
>>31741037no, we can't explain that as a communication barrier, that is retarded.you can't just throw out phrases and expect them to magically solve problems "through a communication barrier they decided to imprison me while studying my weapon when i asked it returned"... rigggght.. bullshitEspecially with the perfect communication we exhibited so far.>As for the lightning gun, who cares? If we start mass producing them and arm our soldiers what can they do? They have limited manpower and weaponry, while we would be able to make more.We still can, from other lightening guns we capture.And we can't start mass production of a high tech divice overnightalso, remember that we have our own tech (we have FTL drives anon)
>>31741098Now anon, I'm as frustrated as you.But there's a less-insane, inconsistent characterization way to reverse course:There's a chance the jungle will kill him for us.
>>31741147>We still can, from other lightening guns we capture.What other lightning gun? Was it ever confirmed we scavenged another one?
>>31740991>YesJesus guys, if we wanted to kill him we wouldn't have even bothered bringing him to the hive in the first place, so stop bitching.
>>31741075We gain little more than what we'd gain from observation. The dangerous thing is that they get information about us. >>31741153I'm not concerned with characterization. This is more of a civilization quest. You take the optimal option, not the one that is according to character or narrative.
>>31741176>f we wanted to kill him we wouldn't have even bothered bringing him to the hive in the first placeactually we could've dissected him. that was a sensible option, too.but we got some interesting WORLDBUILDING out of him instead.
>>31741176False. I voted to bring him back to study his biology with the expectation that he would be killed when we were done with him.
>>31741176We brought him back for information. I'm not saying we should kill him, but sending him away with our location and no defense technology is retarded.
>>31741169>What other lightning gun? Was it ever confirmed we scavenged another one?we know where another one and are going to pick it up. and we will collect more as more humans die to the jungle. and we will most likely slaughter the entire camp once we have what we want from them and collect them all.
>>31741188>We can find out about other spacefaring civilizations which the humans encountered by observing the humansplease explain how anon. I am all ears
>>31741237>we know where another one and are going to pick it up.Where? I'm searching through the archive and don't see that.
>>31740991We can ask questions as we escort him back, through out Speaker drone.so>Yesbut also"Where are the humans getting food?"
>>31741227If the humans are in a tough situation, they'd probably rather have allies to trade with than enemies to wage war on.
>>31741324We don't know for certain, no, but we have good reason to suspect that we can salvage one from the bones and clothing of another guy:>>31553947> in the center are a small pile of bones and fabric. You recognize the fabric as the suits you saw the bipeds wearing.>SPACE MAN 1ST CLASS LYON STEVENS
>>31740991Your speaker drone moves closer and bends lower to offer Lee support and the drone moves out of the hive. As the drone reaches the exit he covers his eyes briefly with his hand. Soon he points out a small stream that flows into the river."Just follow that. Odd, we thought this place was devoid of life when we scouted the area a week ago.""What are your thoughts of me?" You ask.Lee pauses for a moment in awkward silence. "Well... uh... you are obviously intelligent, society seems similar to a few animals on my home world. Your probably one of the strangest forms of life we have found in space but I would say one of the most agreeable. Funny thing though, my ex asked me the same question before I signed on to the Fleet."You continue on your way, making it to the bottom of the mountain and through the plains, keeping to the edge of the jungle for cover."Tell me of your kind." You ask simply."Not much to say, or at least not from me. I spend most of my time scrubbing air filters and solar panels so I'm probably not the best guy to ask. If you mean the Union, well it's great I guess. Long time ago everything was controlled by Earth, but then a bunch of humans decided they didn't like it and broke off into the Union. There's a couple of other aliens involved too, but not much. Anything in particular that you wanted to know about?
>>31741355It was obvious from thread one that they're in a dangerous position.
>>31741377Shouldn't we have at least checked that area before giving the gun to him?
>>31741388What have you been eating stranded here?
>>31741388>There's a couple of other aliens involved too, but not much. Anything in particular that you wanted to know about?there is the juicy payoff, this is why i voted to save him, to release him, to get the speaker, to return the gun...ask him about the other aliens.
>>31741388"How does your kind react to aliens. You spoke as if you seeked out intelligent life."
>>31741435Your logic is retarded, anon. We could have asked him that question when he was still in the cave.
>>31741469No, we couldn't, we didn't have the ability to speak.And if we held him by force afterwards it would have been a hostile act and he wouldn't cooperate
>>31741492>No, we couldn't, we didn't have the ability to speak.I was actually referring to giving his gun back. Should have been clearer.
>>31741469>We could have asked him that question when he was still in the cave.>>31741514I think it's very clear what you're saying.
>>31741514that would still be a hostile-ish act.its about risk reward. we are definitely taking risks, nobody is arguing that we aren't. we are arguing that the rewards are worth it
>>31741555Except we were already asking him questions while he was in the cave. What are a few more?
>>31741555>Refusing to give back a weapon is a hostile actMore like common sense.
>>31741492Only saving him and birthing the speaker was necessary to get this information from him.Can we kill him when we are done questioning him?>>31741555Letting him go is foolish. We'd make ourselves known. Our greatest advantage is that we are secret.
>>31741601It's common sense treatment for prisoners.But it's not in our interests to make him think of it as imprisonment.It was clear he was smart enough not to try and kill us, since while he could kill or maim one of us with one shot, any one of our drones could kill him quickly after.
>>31741469We should have said one week to begin with instead of 2 days. we should have hid his gun and claimed we didn't bring it back. we should have laid the speaker drone the moment we saw the first humans rather then when we encountered the injured one. We should have brought him to a safespot that isn't our cave.We should have done a lot of things. but at that point in time that was spilled milk so we chose the best option of what was available.>>31741580>Except we were already asking him questions while he was in the cave. What are a few more?It would take a while to ask all those questions, there are things he isn't authorized to tell that his leaders might, and most things and doesn't know due to being a grunt.I am of the opinion that after we get all the info from them we either kill them all for their tech.Or we keep them safe for space phase contact with their species against a common foe (in case the apples are really dangerous and we want stooges allies)
>>31741601Depends whether you're planning on making allies or not. It certainly sounds like these are relatively friendly humans. Reverse engineering the gun FIRST would have been good, but maybe they'll trade us one in exchange for something.
>>31741610>Letting him go is foolish. We'd make ourselves known. Our greatest advantage is that we are secret.>Assumes these lost, dying group that can't even handle the jungle is a threat>Assumes knowledge of space faring civilizations is worthless>Assumes all that knowledge will be given to us by this one guy>Assumes he will cooperate if we act hostile
>>31741388"How do you feed?"Lee looks confused for a moment as he moves his jaw awkwardly. "Well we...you mean here, right? Well we have been rationing our emergency field rations. Tastes like cardboard. When we landed one of the crew got into some bush or something, stuff drove him insane. He started tearing at his face and screamed about things in his brain before running off. We found him a day later split open like a flower. Haven't tried eating anything since."Interesting. You wonder if they ran into the same substance as you, or if they are simply weaker to the local flora."You spoke of other life.""In the Union, yea. They don't get representation in parliament since they come from their own governments. Most want to look for better opportunities, or are persecuted on their home worlds. I know for a fact that Sehp who can't change color are culled, so we have a decent population of monocolored Seph around. Valen sometimes like to get involved with human philosophy too, so there are a few colonies with religious sanctuary charters. Then there's a few that we found before they developed space flight and they ended up requesting annexation. I can't really name them though, never was really good at politics. He have a big ordeal for first contacts though, so I should probably just let the Colonel explain everything before I say something stupid."
>>31741671or we can make flying spy drones and when they detect humans dying in the forest in the future we sweep in and take the guns from the corpses.remember they are regularly dying here
>>31741704yeah, we need a spy network for the forest.at least a line of drones hidden through the border of it, so we know whenever a human enters it.perhaps ones with one set of eyes replaced with more antennae? if that helps to hear them coming at longer range.
>>31741671I would agree if we had comparable weapons of our own. We don't.
>>31741680That should be good for now.
>>31741752we have FTL tech anon. of course we have comparable tech. or if not quite this advanced we would at least have bullets.
>>31741680now we timeskip to The Happening
>>31741680You wonder more and more about the nature of this Union. It does not sound human exclusive, but it sounds as if it is at least operated by humans. You continue on your way, making good progress through the area. Your speaker takes note of a few shapes above, but they maintain their distance and altitude.Elsewhere, in the jungle your workers start searching for food, while a small team scrounges the lair of the dead predator. They quickly find the tattered remains. The suit appears to be torn but mostly intact, while the pockets have sealed tight. You notice the gun is missing, but it is found not far from the body. Your workers collect the remains and make their way back.roll 1d100, best of 3 to forage.
>>31741789We had FTL tech. Besides, FTL tech doesn't make good anti personnel weaponry.Until we get a list of tech we can make I'm going to assume they have more advanced weapons.
Rolled 51>>31741819feeding time
>>31741829we have tech knowledge with us.Aside from FTL tech, we have sensors that can detect habitable planets across solar systems. And we were discussing the value of metals in heavy industry during the planet selection phase
>>31741752I'm sure we have things they don't have which they would be willing to trade for though. Much greater ability to survive the jungle, for example.
>>31741819>Multi species union>We create interstellar empire>small portion joins the union.>Most does not>we pretend to be divided>Win win
>>31741906yeah, conceivably, we could send a drone or two as bodyguards on their outings, in exchange for taking an entire escape pod to tech-mine or whatever.their shrinking population ought to leave a few of those empty by now.
>>31741829We're probably like the Kharaa.Completely capable of destroying them in close range combat even with their fancy tech.
>>31741887Not gonna lie, anon, I've been reading over my post, and nowhere can I find anything even mentioning sensors or heavy industry. So yeah. I was talking about personal weapons.
>>31741931Technically since we can eat things on the planet, could we make some sort of honey to trade with the humans? We can probably purify and test food stuffs here way better than they can on their own.
>>31741829Your drones search until dusk, returning with a decent amount of substances that at the very least you think are edible. Many of the plants exhibit animal-like properties and are capable of self-propulsion but your drones have become rather effective at catching them.+146 nutrientsWith the end of the day your workers return to your hive with food and the remains of the human labeled as Lyon Stevens.Meanwhile, your speaker takes note of several large objects protruding from the land in the distance. Your drone notices it long before Lee does, but soon he points them out. "Over there, that's our camp. You should hang out by the tree line, I'll go and introduce you first, then you can come out. Ok?">This sounds sufficient.>Why is that needed?>No, I will accompany you.
>>31742010Oh, right... they can't even eat anything here. when their rations run out they starve to death and we can just loot their stuff that way...Or we could be their sole source of food (by that i mean provide them with purified nutrients not be eaten by them)
>>31742023>>No, I will accompany you.
>>31742023>No, I will accompany you.
>>31742023>That is sufficient
>>31742023>This sounds sufficient.
>>31742023>Why is that needed?But agree anyway. We know why.hoping we are in earshot of him talking.or he can shout from here.
>>31742023>>Why is that needed?
>>31742023>This sounds sufficient.>>31741985>Not gonna lie, anon, I've been reading over my post, and nowhere can I find anything even mentioning sensors or heavy industry. ... are you stupid?Of course you didn't mention them. I AM mentioning them. Can you not even follow the most basic of logics?>Anon: We don't have comparable weapons>me: We have FTL, why wouldn't we have advanced weapons?>You: FTL tech doesn't make good anti personnel weaponry.>me: We have more than JUST FTL. we have all this other tech too (implying we have a wide array of tech not just a single thing)
>>31742023>Why is that needed?I'm guessing guards might shoot unidentified monsters coming out of the jungle, in which case>This sounds sufficient.
>>31742101Techs don't advance at the same rate - for instance, Incas were competent astronomers that didn't have the wheel yet.
>>31742101That's great, we have FTL and system sensors. I'm sure they'll be of much help to the humans if they decide to enslave us to get off this rock.
>>31742224We don't have those. They were destroyed during planetfall. The thinker may have knowledge of those technologies. We should ask the QM if he does before forming poorly formed plans.
>>31742265technically the Queen has all this in genetic memory, I think he said?we need the resources to construct it first though, climbing the tech tree.
>>31742357Yes.I think we should find a way to gain control over other species with our hive mind.
>>31742384Start an advertising company?
>>31742224>omitting the heavy industry part>>31742186>Techs don't advance at the same rateConcurrent independent invention proves that once certain techs are invented they lead to other techs in short order.Furthermore, please remember we are a warrior race that is constantly infighting and has encountered other races before (just not humans)>for instance, Incas were competent astronomers that didn't have the wheel yet.The wheel was invented in sumeria and diffused from there, it took 3000 years to reach england.NOBODY in the new world used wheelsALL of them did use rollers and other wheel like objects, they just didn't have an axle type wheelA good reason for that is lack of pack animals. With no pack animals, and the scale of their construction. When they built something they used huge slabs of rock which would have destroyed any cart. instead they were placed on a series of circular logs without an axle and was rolled. this is technically not a "wheel" even though it is circular and rolling because it isn't attached to a cart via an axle
>>31742384>I think we should find a way to gain control over other species with our hive mind.not this again.we ain't actually the Zerg.we should dissect and analyze them for useful organs and adaptations to steal, though.
>>31742357>technically the Queen has all this in genetic memory, I think he said?yes, or rather, in memories implanted by the pod brain we had. who guided our ascension to sapience, who was able to just beam knowledge to our brain (human language), who guided us in choosing a planet to FTL to and told us about their value in terms of heavy industry buildup and other such tech
>>31742023Your speaker nods in agreement. You understand well enough. Neither of you wishes your drones to be misconstrued as a threat. Either that or simply because you appear "terrifying", which you find somewhat amusing. Regardless, your drone waits at the edge of the jungle as Lee hobbles forth and towards the small camp. By now you have a decent view of it. Several large structures that appear to be local plants of some kind are spread around an open plain of moss. Each structure is supported by a number of thick roots that spread out and into the ground, and have a number of holes carved into the sides. Light is emanating from the small holes and ladders have been crudely grafted to the spongy bark.Lee moves closer and soon you hear several loud sirens echo across the plains as small beams of light move across the area and illuminate Lee's body. Soon the sirens stop and a number of figures form around Lee, one of which the others stiffen in their posture as they see him. They seem to talk for a long while, and in a rather heated fashion but eventually Lee takes one of the small tubes and uses it to shine a light in your direction, flashing it several times.You move your speaker forward as the others move back into the carved-out plants. Lee and four others stand before you, and one of them takes a step closer."I am Colonel William Ackerman, Acting Commander of the USV Clarke, scuttled in combat." He coughs before continuing. "On behalf of the Interstellar Union I greet you as ambassador to your race in accordance with First Contact procedures of the Proxima Convention." He bows his head in a comically over enthusiastic fashion. The others stare at you curiously."Are you the leader of your...hive?" He asks.
>>31742384http://shodan.wikia.com/wiki/The_ManyWe should take inspiration from this, not happy sunshine Star Trek tyranids. I have no interest in diplomacy, only assimilation.>>31742401Heh.>>31742455>Yes. I am the sole leader of my race.Do not mention that the speaker is under psionic control. I want him to think that the speaker is the actual leader. That way if he chooses to kill it he will think that the threat was greatly lessened.
>>31742410Can you point out where the QM said we have all this wondrous technology? I thought he said we would have to research it all.
>>31742455"Yes."They don't need to know there's only one intelligence at work here.
>>31742492Oh wait, nevermind. The human that we sent saw our queen. Disregard.
>>31742455"I speak the will of our leader."
>>31742455"This one speaks for leader, is leader."
>>31742455"I am the second in command to our glorious leader. I have been authorized to negotiate and make deals on her behalf."
>>31742455how to put this without revealing the whole one-mind thing..."I am granted all authority in this matter."
>>31742530Second.Making contact was a stupid idea.
>>31742455>YesTechnically it's true in a hive mind sort of way.
>>31742550Your butthurt is duly noted, anon.
>>31742551Except Spaceman Lee saw the Speaker-drone get hatched.Literally born yesterday.So best to say, we are granted full authority in making agreements.
>>31742499You will have to build the infrastructure to support it. You have knowledge of weapons that have been historically been used in wars between two or more hives, although you may wish to innovate with new weapons if you want to face off against other races with other techs.I had been waiting for the two warriors to hatch before listing off some basic weapon grafts.Your tech is most advanced along the routs of bio-engineering and genetic research, the humans seem to be the opposite, with a great understanding of mechanical devices, but are lagging behind in genetics.
>The union>Contains a variety of races>The United Federation of Planets?
>>31742455"This one shall speak for the Hive." You force the words to form, clicking and hissing slightly. One of the humans becomes wide-eyed, and you sense he is greatly exited by something for some reason."Wonderful" Ackerman says. "You already speak the language. You catch on quick, those first words are usually just a formality. Well Spaceman Lee here says you helped him out of a rather tense jam in that blasted jungle. We had thought he and Stevens were dead days ago. Thank you for returning him." He extends a gloved hand and you both stare at each other in silence. "Eh...nevermind the formalities. First things first, we need to ask a few questions.""For what purpose?" You ask."For classification. Have you ever ventured past your sphere's orbit?"
Rolled 73>>31742790"Yes."They didn't ask which sphere was ours.
>>31742790"No"Hey, we don't have spaceships laying around, they don't know we're lying.
>>31742790NoBest they think we're primitives with no tech to steal.
>>31742790"We have never left this sphere."
>>31742790We have never left this planet.
>>31742790Wait wait I got it."Since our awakening, we have not left this sphere."Technically, true! I think?
>>31742870you don't even need the 'since x' for that.we arrived, and never left.
>>31742790>No.>>31742870Is there a reason we cannot lie?
>>31742888Nah. Mostly just an aesthetic choice for me.
>>31742790"I have not left this planet"
>>31742888Plausible deniability. If caught in a lie we can portray it as a cultural or translation error rather than a deliberate deception.
>>31742888It'll make it all a wacky misunderstanding when they find out our species exists elsewhere already.
>>31742888lieing when it isn't needed is unnecessary. We don't want to accidentally make contradictions
>>31742790Your speaker chitters inquisitively, startling the human. "Sphere? No. This Hive has always been here."The colonel harrumphs softly, the sound muffled by his helmet. "Well that throws out most of the other questions." He pauses a short while before pulling out a small device. He unfolds it and starts to read. "Is your kind naturally capable of flight, and if not, have you developed a way to do so regardless?"(write in)
>>31742979Some of us can fly
>>31742979>flightHm...welll"This one can not fly. Flight is rare among hive."True, and should deter them asking too much more.
>>31742979This kind is highly adaptable?No need to go into the specifics about energy burning and mass problems.
>>31742979The speaker drone doesn't have wings, right?"Those that have need of flight are born capable. This one does not require it."
>>31743018I support this
>>31742979>No.None but the queen can fly.
>>31742979"Flight here is dangerous."
Just caught up. Guys, it's fucking Colonel Ackerman, haven't any of you read the Halo books?
>>31743056>t the queen can flynot anymore she can't.bitch can't even walk herself anymore.
>>31743062>reading Halo books>reading game tie-in books in generalNo, of course not.
>>31742979"Those who require it can fly."
>>31742979Yeswe should avoid lying about ALL questions guys, especially the stuff they can actually verify.
>>31742979"Others do, this one does not"You think you are starting to see a pattern in the questioning."Ok.... Has your kind... tamed flames to serve you?">>31743062That was not a conscious decision, I assure you. Although I did read Reach, so it could have been a subconscious slip.
>>31743085"The Fall of Reach" is apparently not awful for a science fiction book.
>>31743109>Tamed flames to serve you...huh...Would that technically be a no? I mean, we don't use fire at all.I think the answer is no, with a confused sound. Kinda like "Why would we?"
>>31743109>What is flame?
>>31743109"Who is John Galt?"
>>31743109NoI'm pretty sure we use acid instead right?
>>31743109Meta question required:how do we refine metal from ore when we mine it?with biological acid, or with flame?
>>31743109"There has been no need. We shall if the need arises."
>>31743159good questionthat being said, remember we can produce biological naplam
>>31743109"Yes, when necessary."I guess we used some kind of flamey propulsion to move our meteor pod thing.
>>31743227inb4 Space Vietnam War on this "jungle planet"
>>31743159We could just have a drone with a biological process that makes him a living furnace. No flames required.
>>31743254I think there is a limit to the ridiculousness we can get up to with biology.
>>31743254flame hot enough to melt METAL are not really conducive to life. that'd seem awful straining.
>>31743321There's microorgaisms that live by melting rock and extracting nutrients. Biology can get ridiculous, fast.
>>31743159We can do both, with research, and I suggest doing so.Fire for getting rid of most impurities and obtaining slag, which is useful here to wall off fungus.Acid for separating specific metals and purification
>>31743323Depends on what metal, really.
>>31743109"We use no flames"The colonel shrugs in defeat, placing the device back into his suit and turns to the humans at his side. He seems to have become almost dismissive of your presence."Ok people, it's illegal to be here. Class zero on the scale, we should notify Parliament once we get off this place. If we get a charter we might be able to trade for herbs or something but until then no more talking. Contact with stone-age cultures is strictly illegal."He turns back to you. This time he speaks slightly louder and more slowly. "I am sorry for the trouble, we will return to the sky as soon as we can, and we thank you for helping us. You may remain here for the night if you wish." With that he turns to leave. Several of the others trail behind him and you can hear an argument quickly break out. They are all speaking at once in a flood of noise, although you can make out the phrase "stone-smashers" from the colonel.You turn to Lee, who still stands next to you. "Stone-smashers?" You ask.Lee shrugs his shoulders. "We have a nasty past with primitive races. Normally we can't talk to you until you reach a certain point but, I think this is a bit of an extreme situation. I'm sure the colonel will change his mind." Lee looks up to the sky. You notice several of the flying creatures high above, but it's obvious he only knows they are there by experience. "We should get out of the open, you can spend the night in my...tree house. At least we thing they are trees."1/2
>>31743323>>31743321yeah a creature like that would never evolve naturallygood thing we can design our minions how we wantbiology can do just about everything our technology can and more
>>31743387melt rocks, then. ores. of the useful kinds we'd need.
>>31743388>Creature talks to you>Know of hive mind>Can learn english>Doesn't have fire>Assumes retard stone muncherswell, at least we know these guys aren't all that bright.
>>31743398Biology is basically nanomachines, really.
>>31743439Then they won't feel bad when we engineer a parasite to force them into the hive mind.Or not. Either option sounds good here.
>>31743457It really is. Look at how biological molecules act. Many poisons are literally just wrenches in the gears.
>>31743439None of those things you listed require technology, anon.
>>31743439>>Know of hive mindDo they? I thought they assumed the speaker drone was an individual.
>>31743388So are we kidnapping one of them for anatomy lessons?
>>31743439they have a very strict set of rules and models for classification. he's just bound by bureaucrats.the idea of alternate specializations or sapience wit diets where fire is not as useful hasn't occurred to them.
>>31743468oor we could let them leave and get the Union to leave us alone for quite some time due to our supposed stone age status
>>31743439I think the issue is our level of technological advancement, not individual intelligence. Even a civilization of geniuses would probably be looked down on if they were early enough in their development that they had no tech to speak of.
>>31743480Technology, no, but intelligence? Yes. they assumed because we lack fire, we're not even worthy of talking to at all.I was just saying it's surprisingly short sighted of em.Although granted it might be because they were hoping we could help them get off world.
>>31743490Nah, we'll help them off this rock with miminum hassle and the Union will leave us alone.
>>31743509>worthythe term is 'illegal'.no interfering in early development of civilizations, power imbalance, prime directive, blah blah blah some space ethics.
>>31743502>oor we could let them leave and get the Union to leave us alone for quite some time due to our supposed stone age statusthat is a good point. at which point we can explain"we were born here, our egg was sent from another planet" and "we do not use fire, we use organics for heavy industry".And they would go>Facepalm, we asked the wrong questions
>>31743535well, yeah, but are we ALSO kidnapping one of them for anatomy lessons? Like, some bloke who went too far into the jungle.
>>31743541Ah, right that too. My bad.
>>31743509They probably see us about the level of bright monkeys - technically interesting but kinda useless.
>>31743502They're a lost group of refugees in a war zone. No one will notice one or two or colonel. Plus. if we can figure out how to get information directly from their brainmeat, we don't have to be nice to them.
>>31743574Eh, I suppose that's fair enough.Hey, at the very least this means we'll be left alone even if they make it off world, right?
>>31743562How about that dude the predator killed? We could use his recovered corpse for anatomy lessons.
>>31743559This would be worth a good laugh.
>>31743562I don't see much point. Potentially making them hostile in order to gain knowledge of inferior human biology seems like it wouldn't be worth the risk.
>>31743562there are at least 2 of them dead in the jungle alreadywe can use those corpses>>31743587No one will notice them missing, but if they get back and tell the rest of the Union that our planet is off limits due to us being stone age level? Much better.
>>31743610Well, one of those was infected by the native flora-fauna.
>>31743594>>31743606>>31743610>Hunt them down>Not using a blood sample to grow a thousand clones for study and experimentation
>>31743655>>Not using a blood sample to grow a thousand clones for study and experimentationYou need an artificial womb for that.Compatible ova to insert DNA into.The right food supply.
>>31743679>Imply our technology isn't capable of that
>>31743697You're being too handwavy.
>>31743559well, we would miss out on info about other cultures then
>>31743697To create those things, we have to study them.To study them, you want to create those things.Do you see the problem here?
>>31743729Actually I'm not. All that stuff you just described is very easy to do.
>>31743388Lee leads your drone towards the ladder bolted onto the side of one of the large plants. You tend to agree, it would be best to avoid spending any more time in the open, and you accept the invitation. Within the hollowed out hut is a small, round area filled with mats of fabric. Lee is quickly hauled up with a small pulley of cord and pulls himself in after you. "Make yourself at home, it's the least I can offer after saving my life like that." You note the other mats. Most of them have been packed up into neat piles."This place isn't very good for us, we lost a lot of good people out here." He explains.Several moments later the door opens again, and several other humans enter. The first one nearly falls off the ladder in shock."Fuck, what is that? It looks like a mantis shrimp had sex with HR Giger!""Native intelligence, they saved my life so you could at least not insult it."The others file in and enter the circle of cots, each casting you a wary glance as they remove their helmets. You elect to position yourself in the eating area, it seems to put them more at ease.Meanwhile, in the chambers of your hive, the eggs of your warriors break open. The pieces of the eggs fly across the chamber at great speed, and your warriors are born with explosive force."We are your claws! We will protect Mother!" They cry.Next day -66 NutrientsTotal - 320
>>31743775Most of themnot the compatible ova, that one is harder. however, we should be able to study a flesh sample for the cellular machinery... if we had the right tools. we might need to freeze some of it.
>>31743388>1/2aww yeah sleepover party!Time for mutiny.>>31743775 > very easy to do.it's at least 3 Research subjects at Very Hard difficulty to put the Thinkers to.and they'll need human corpses to Research it in the first place, defeating the point.
>>31743822Well>we lost a lot of good men to the junglemost likely they will lose some more. with the right timing we can save some more while still scavenging some corpses for research
>>31743798>-66 NutrientsIs that Net or Total eaten-- is the +50 Nutrients from the spring jelly not mentioned?
>>31743798aight we got warriors nowhave them earn their keep by gathering food/guarding the food gathering droneshave the thinker research the brain fungus so that future clutches can be born immunemaybe make another thinker?
>>31743798>WarriorsExcellent news...We can use them to hunt more dangerous areas, I think. For now they will serve as the royal guard, I think. Or at least one will.
>>31743822Alien bug sleepover the best sleepover. Let's tell ghost stories and talk about boys!
>>31743798Construct a Laboratory and Infrastructure.
>>31743798>they're living in carved out treehouseshow very Lost World of them.we should ask, how long ago and where did their escape pods land?
>>31743878>Another thinkerNah man. I suggest having one thinker try and figure out ways to create farms of this sweet jelly stuff. We could really use it.
>>31743798Do we get to arm our warriors?
>>31743926>try and figure out ways to create farms of this sweet jelly stuffwe already know the limiting factor here, anon.we need to find another source spring with the same required minerals it feeds on.also something we haven't done yet: mining for ores.
>>31743930With what? They have claws and mandibles, that's good enough for now.
>>31743949why would we need ores?
>>31743972>we need to find another source spring with the same required minerals it feeds on.>why would we need ores?Do you even read?
>>31743559Another idea is to go "we lied, that was a test of character to see whether you would attempt to exterminate a vulnerable fledgling race"
>>31743960He said we'd get a choice of weapons to make after we the warriors are hatched.
>>31743972For advancing our tech tree.you DO realize we're not the Zerg right? we can make useful stuff but we need metal.it was a whole reason to choose one of those 3 candidate worlds.
>>31743949this raises a good question. can our drones locate those or do we need to make specialist drones designed for ore prospecting?
>>31743991Shit, this plant feeds on minerals?Then I vote for 2 or 4 drones to start mining for em. We need to fix this negative income.
>>31743798Send both warriors south to hunt the grazing animals.
>>31744021actually, zerg also needs metal.the original species they used would not be able to slice open a tank, so they splice them with things like the ability to biologically process ores into metal weapons. which is basically what we are doing too
>>31744032>Negative incomeour income is positive anon>>31742023>+146 nutrients from having only SOME of our workers forage for food>+50/day from sweet fungus>-66 upkeep
>>31743867total eaten. Net loss is 16, so 370 technically>>31743798The laboratory has been carved out rather crudely, but effectively, and any potential contaminates have been moved into it.New construction options>Throne room>Dedicated storage>Infrastructure>OtherYour thinkers have been working quite hard, and have made some discoveries. They have come to the agreement that the powder of the ocean substance is lethal, but the liquid within appears to be a kind of medium for the storage of energy and organic material not unlike blood. Various stringy clumps of material are found within and are much like organs in appearance, but decentralized into a large network. More research can be done, but for now they must pause there activities as they oversee the setting up of the laboratory.Basic weapon grafts available>Thorn launcher - equivalent of a high caliber rifle that fires large chunks of chitin at high velocity. Ammo can be re-grown naturally over time. Good against single targets. High accuracy, medium damage, low rate of fire>Fire spray - used to coat an area in highly flammable liquid, causing the area to catch fire. Effective area denial, short range and low ammo supply limit use in the field>Sting caster - Rapidly fires small darts of spiked chitin at high velocity. Ammo can be regrown in time. Low accuracy, low damage, high rate of fireEach will cost 15 metals, and will replace an arm of the warrior. Grafting two onto one warrior will further reduce accuracy.
>>31744136It was that sweet roll to forage. Foraging becomes less and less rewarding if you start stripping the jungle of resources to feed larger populations.(plus I roll for predators and the dice have loved you guys so far)
>>31744136>Workers can each scavenge for 5+x their food requirement>Workers take 3 days to hatch>Workers cost 2x their food requirement per day to layI propose we have our brains researching the ecosystem.We could then hunt the apex predators to extinction (after keeping samples for bio research of course). Thids will lead to a population boom of prey species which we would harvest in just the right amount to prevent it from deteriorating.Farming will eventually replace it, but at the moment this is far more efficient.
>>31744171>>InfrastructureHow many warriors did we spawn?
>>31744171>>Fire spray - used to coat an area in highly flammable liquid, causing the area to catch fire. Effective area denial, short range and low ammo supply limit use in the fieldWe want this. This is horrifying parasitic fungus world. If something must burn, then it will burn.
>>31744171>>Fire spray - used to coat an area in highly flammable liquid, causing the area to catch fire. Effective area denial, short range and low ammo supply limit use in the fieldthere's our napalm.so we can kill it with fire later. cleanup space Cordyceps if we feel like it.Okay,>Othermine for ores?Should we birth a drone that sacrifices eyes for more antennae for sensing ore veins with sound or something?
>>31744171>Infrastructure>>31744171>total eaten. Net loss is 16, so 370 technicallyonly for stable income. a small portion of our drones scavenged 146 in one day of work according to >>31742023However, you didn't make it clear on the exact split of the drone between tasks in your post. So we don't know which vote you took, whether you averaged the suggested splits, or what
>>31744171Craft and graft one of each weapon, for specialized purposes.
>>31744171Equip one with a thorn launcher and the rest with fire spray.
>>31744171>Infrastructure>Fire spray - used to coat an area in highly flammable liquid, causing the area to catch fire. Effective area denial, short range and low ammo supply limit use in the fieldI like those two. Especially the fire spray. Fuck you space mushrooms
>>31744136I'm not comfortable needing to roll to keep our hive alive, is all.>>31744171Hm... I say we finally build us a proper throne room. Our queen deserves only the finest.>Ocean gooHuh. Well that is good to hear we have a 'safe' source of food then. Just do not ingest that slime.>Thinkers>Thorn launcherGet me my machine gun for the first.>Fire sprayFor the other Warrior
>>31744171I am not sure i am ok with fire spray. fire can spread like... well, wildfire and devastate our supplies and colony.Do we not have bleache spray? (simple concentrated chlorine)
>>31744213You have two warriors now, and 25 metals.Infrastructure will have a start-up cost to build, but will be able to grow to fit the hive, so long as it is fed enough nutrients to do so.It will regulate temperature, humidity, and provide doors to separate the hive structure.
>>31744239said so earlier in the thread.>4 workers to forage for more food
>>31744272In that case equip one with a thorn thrower and the other with dual flamers.
>>31744171>and will replace an arm of the warrior.do you mean, we add these onto already hatched warriors, rather than having them be born with it?warrior-cyborgs?I guess we can afford ONE napalm cannon.but maybe we should wait on mining.
>>31744254>I'm not comfortable needing to roll to keep our hive alive, is all.farming is not 100% fool proof either, it is better to have 1000 hunters spread out across the forest than to have 15 units total and be backwards. We need to leverage our ability to grow exponentiallyalso>>31744201Kill the predators. set up herding. it aint farming, but herding is reliable. We can pen the creatures, feed them, water them, etc.
>>31744269We'd probably be using it out in the field though. We're in a mountain, so we should be safe from a wildfire.
>>31744254>Just do not ingest that slime.You got it in reverse.the slime is food. the powder-y skin is deadly.>>31744299dude.15 metals EACH
>>31744299Each weapon costs 15, as I read it.
>>31744335>farming is not 100% fool proof eithercase in pointhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)
>>31744201I think billyjoe stevenson here is on to something
>>31744353Yeah, didn't see that. In that case I guess we could queue it up or something. I think the flamer will be the most useful though.
>>31744201>I propose we have our brains researching the ecosystem.you mean dedicate our workers to going out and watching everything? they'd need data, yeah?that's no different from having our workers go out and hunt down the biggest most aggressive things they can find.
>>31744239Anon, please see >>31744200We can't hunt forever. It's temporary.We NEED farms, soon.>>31744201I can get behind hunting predators with Warriors, maybe, but>Hunt species to extinction>Easier then farmingI have to laugh because that is silly.
>>31744171>Each will cost 15 metals, >Otherinto the mines.we never did figure out how rich or not this world's geology is.
>>31744316A warrior is born with its arms designed to have weapons grafted to them. They are ports that can be plugged into the arm's nerves to give the warrior full functionality of the weapons as if they were a part of the arm, but it covers the arm and is too big to permit the use of the arms as tools.>>31744279like I said, you rolled quite well, and I rolled shit for dangerous creatures, so they spent all day grabbing berries and alien coconuts like crazy. It was a good day of foraging.
>>31744335>Not 100% foolproofNo, it's not, but it doesn't require us to constantly strip the land of prey. If we keep doing that, we're gonna pay for it.Strip mining is not the way to go. We want sustainable resources, not temporary big boosts.>FamineLess likely, and we can probably even research cures if it becomes a big problem.
>>31744386I guess they would basically multitaskat the moment our workers see an animal, then kill it and drag its corpse back. now they will watch it for some time before doing soalso, dissection. a FUCKTON of dissection. Dissect basically every animal species we come across
>>31744399Maybe when we start numbering in the hundreds of thousands we'll hunt a species to extinction. If we do nothing to preserve it like domestication or something.Right now we have less than a hundred drones. We're not going to hunt anything to extinction any time soon.
>>31744432>berries an alien coconutsHah that's a great mental image.
>>31744399>Hunt species to extinction>Easier then farmingAnon, our population is limited by our food supply. Now, we got lucky with that roll, but that was 36.5 food per worker. Each worker costs 10 to lay and 5 a day to feed.If noral returns are closer to 15 or 20 we are still earning enough to both feed itself AND lay an additional worker. per worker, a day. This means our pop doubles every day.With such a rate of growth we most certainly CAN hunt things to extinction. in fact if we are not careful we will depopulate the jungle and starve to death
>>31744171one with>Thorn launcherother with>Fire spray>Sting caster
>>31744492>Each worker costs 10 to lay and 5 a day to feed.Those are warriors.Workers cost 2 a day, and 5 to lay.
>>31744497We can only have one.
>>31744497>15 metal each
>>31744442>No, it's not, but it doesn't require us to constantly strip the land of prey. If we keep doing that, we're gonna pay for it.>Strip mining is not the way to go. We want sustainable resources, not temporary big boosts.I didn't say strip mine, I said "kill apex predators, cultivate herds of lesser creatures" and "based on scientific research of the econsystem" and "in a sustainable manner"the only creatures i said to exterminate were apex predators, whose place we will assume in the ecosystem. (and I explicitly said to preserve some for future research)
>>31744497use your goddamn math skills, we don't have the metals for that and no metals income.
>>31744492But that is an unsustainable growth that will lead to our downfall, anon.You can't say>We get 'x' every day from huntingBecause that is a variable, and is a constant changing factor. Not counting days we get unlucky, and lose workers, or worse, gather next to nothing.If our population is 1000, and we have a shit day rolling, guess what? Half of us starve to death.
>>31744171We have a lot of votes for Fire spray, but you can only afford to arm one of your warriors.You have 25 metals, each weapon will cost 15 (it should be noted that they can be removed and placed on other warriors, or salvaged from dead warriors)>Fire spray>Thorn launcher>Sting caster
>>31744533Actually, that technically is a form of farming, anon.Killing apex predators I think is a bit beyond us, even with our warriors. We don't even know how tough the biggest thing on this planet is, all we've seen are small critters, the centipede thing, and the herds to the south.But I can definitely get behind cultivating lesser species. Maybe form a 'barn' cavern, where we breed em?It might take a while, but may be worth it if we find the equivalent of fungal chickens.
>>31744535>>31744526Ok I want back and saw we only had 25. I thought we had more.
>>31744569>Thorn LauncherLess collateral damage.
>>31744569>>Fire sprayWe must cleanse this world with flames.
>>31744573That's why we should research the lightning gun. That thing can take care of predators no problem.
>>31744569>Thorn launcherIt will easily break through any armor the predators have. it can even kill those flying ones
>>31744569>>Thorn launcheruh, practically speaking... we don't need to burn this world to ash, or any area.we need to defend against individual threats.
>>31744569Thorn launcherfire will spread like crazy, and I still think we should just start laying drones with immunity to brain fungus
>>31744569>Fire sprayThis world is incredibly humid, so there is not a risk of forest fires.
>>31744643>there is not a risk of forest firesWell. We'll find out.
>Thorn LauncherWe need confirmed kills here. We need to make sure the target is dead when we fire a weapon.
>>31744509>Workers cost 2 a day, and 5 to lay.damn, that means the math is even more awesome. it was 4 workers who dragged back 146 food units.so, 36.5 each.this comes up to each bringing back enough to feed itself for the day AND a surplus sufficient to lay 6.9 more workers.This means we can Quintuple (8x) our number each day at this rate.Now, this was a lucky haul. if we say we normally get half of that a day it means each worker is collecting enough food to feed itself and lay 3.25 more workers.Now, accounting for the incubation period will make it a bit wobbly so for sake of example I will leave it out and pretend day 1 starts 2 days from now (incubation period). this means I am UNDER estimating the quantities. I am also not going to assume we burn all our current reserves on hatching more drones.Day 1 - 10 workersDay 2 - 42.5 workersDay 3 - 180.625 workersDay 4 - 767.65625 workersDay 5 - 3262.5390625Day 6 - 13865.791015625Day 7 - 58929.61181640625that is one week.We would obviously have to pace ourselves, we would have to acquire more water, we would have to spread out, we would have to limit harvesting to prevent over harvesting. we would have to create more brain drones to control the workers. our egg laying rate is probably going to become a limiting factor.But seriously. as long as we properly research the ecosystem to determine what a sustainable rate of apex predators (us) in the range of our telepathy we could expand like motherfuckers within under a week via herding
Besides the arm-weapons, what melee weapons do the warriors come with?
>>31744569 >Fire spray
>>31744573>Killing apex predators I think is a bit beyond us, even with our warriorsanon, please see >>31744711apex predators are not going to survive being swarmed by 60,000 worker drones. and that assumes we don't hatch some warriors too there.http://youtu.be/UozWJTuhbMQ
>>31744726>>31744703>>31744643>>31744602>>31744595You do know fire spray will not allow us to research the body, because it is ash
>>31744711I wouldn't rely on the math too much here. OP did NOT plan those out, and will likely change those later.
>>31744569>Thorn Launcher>>31744711Anon, we've literally just been talking about this, we can't grow that fast with a variable income like hunting.
>>31744711Except low rolls don't just mean not harvesting much.It means losing the foragers to predator attacks.Unlucky hauls can give negative hauls, in that sense.
>>31744745Anon, it wouldn't matter, because we can't SUPPORT that many drones. Hunting is not as lucrative as you seem to think it is. And any day we fail to pull in the upkeep, we lose drones.
>>31744595wait i'm changing my mind from Fire. sorry i love fire>>31744569>Thorn launcher
>>31744749Do you know how hot flames have to be to completely incinerate something?
>>31744749Who said anything about bodies? we just need to clear out infected areas.
>>31744755If we have 1000 foragers and 100 die to attackers, we RECYCLE them>>317447511. which part of "herd animals" do you not understand?2. We keep 2 weeks food storage, it would only slightly delay us
>>31744569Fire spray.Also, send drones to bring gifts of food to the humans in the spirit of Thanksgiving. Maybe they reward us with things.
>>31744569It's close, but it looks like the thorn launcher wins for now.You quickly form the age-old device with the rapid instinct of generations of experience. This is one of the first weapons your kind ever developed, you recall, and it has become one of the most favored. A worker plugs the graft onto the warrior's arm."Mother has given a gift, I will use it to protect Mother!" It cries as it raises the arm, testing its weight.Construction>Infrastructure>Throne room>Other
>>31744755>>31744750Basically these, it's pretty obvious OP was implying we can't grow that fast. That'd quickly become game breaking.
>>31744784We can't RECYCLE them if they're eaten.
>>31744798Infra, also >>31744793
>>31744793>Also, send drones to bring gifts of food to the humans in the spirit of Thanksgiving. Maybe they reward us with things.The commander has forbidden contact with us. Their laws forbid it.Until we convince otherwise, there is no need.Also there is no need to give them the disgusting slimes and funguses we feed upon that they may not even be able to digest safely.Come on, are you trying to kill them?
>>317447711. recycling2. the drones brought in 18.25x their daily upkeep anon.How low do you think it can go?3. We probably can't handle 60,000 yet. but we can handle 1000 with ease. it just means fewer days to reach 1000 unitsalso>We feed on the reproductive spores of a jelly>MFW we depend on it entirely and 3 months down the line it stops producing them due to flowering once in 10 years like bamboo
>>31744798>Throne roomProtect momma
>>31744798>get that throne room set up
>>31744777last I checked napalm turns bodies to ash.>>31744781This entire planet is infected, the thing we will most likely encounter is singular large targets that might be flying, and it is near impossible to kill something flying with a flamer
>>31744798>>InfrastructureDidn't we already vote for this, or are doing another vote?
>>31744798>InfrastructureMaybe we can get some sort of organic piping to pump that ocean blood to the hive?
>>31744798>>Throne roomI want Thinkers still dedicated to research.Lay another Thinker for making Infrastructure later?
>>31744722Long blades that grow from the arms and can be used for cutting or piercing attacks, and powerful mandibles that can grapple targets
>>31744812>We can't RECYCLE them if they're eaten.They aren't eaten, they are killed and then what killed them is killed before they can digest themeven if it swallows them, they aren't instantly digested. we would outnumber the creatures by so much that they won't stand a chance.Seriously, we are freaking ANTS. watch antional geographic sometimes anon.
>>31744835the one that is excreted by cordiceps? lets not until we develop a proper immunity to it
>>31744858>and then what killed them is killedsuch optimism.low enough rolls and we get a predator we can't win against.we didn't even try to fight the last one, the human killed it.we didn't fight the one before THAT, either, we hid in trees.fucking double captcha why
>>31744823>RecycleWhat? It's dead and likely eaten, or destroyed.>Drones will bring in 18.25x their upkeepNO THEY FUCKING WON'TNot constantly, anyway. The second we got 50 drones scouring the forests they'd become empty, and we'd be FUCKED.What part of that are you not getting?>1000How are we going to sustain those numbers? You have yet to answer this to me once this forest is devoid of all animals to eat, assuming this even gets that far.1000 is more reasonable, but I still don't want to get that deep in the read on upkeep. At least let us get farms going so we have something to fall back on.
>>31744833>last I checked napalm turns bodies to ash.Human bodies maybe. These things are huge and are made out of chitin or something similar.
>>31744798>Infrastructure>>31744880>such optimism.>HurrIts not optimism to think thousands of our drones can overwhelm a predator.
>>31744834If we did I wasn't able to see much of a consensus and would prefer to vote again than just assume everyone agreed to something.Essentially, I realized it was a bad idea to ask for several votes at once, and am going down the line.
>>31744889>What? It's dead and likely eaten, or destroyed.Drones won't magically disappear if they're eaten. If a predator eats a few drones but is killed by numbers we'll still be able to harvest their bodies.
>>31744889>>Drones will bring in 18.25x their upkeep>NO THEY FUCKING WON'T>ME SO FUCKING RETARD>ME USE STRAWMEN!>ME YELL STRAWMEN BECAUSE ME RETARDI explicitly said they won't.The figures are based on them brining in less than they did that time
>>31744878yes of course. just incase anyone forgot, we can:>use filters(organic, chemical, osmosis, mineral, etc) on the piping>develop immune systems>use gravity>boil it
>>31744816They can't digest safely foods on this planet, but we can process "honey" (or something) for them to eat. Their commander would be willing to bend the rules to prevent his men starving.
>>31744889>50 drones will depopulate the forestyou are aware that each bug is human sized? Do you know how many people the earth can support?
>>31744918what if the predator has an antimatter stomach?checkmate atheists!
>>31744918>If a predator eats a drone, and we kill it, then we can get it backWhat if they can't kill it, and it just squishes all of our drones when we try?We don't have the sort of power base to give us that many drones to just swarm stuff, is the problem.>>31744921No, I yelled because you're being really insistent and not listening to anything else but what your math.The problem is, that is a variable, and you can't weigh everything on something like that. the numbers don't come back that high every time, and there is a chance of bringing back nothing, or losing tons of drones.You know what that means?That means all those drones are dead, since they have no food.Now you have no drones.
>>31744923I didn't forget, I just said I want to research and implement those things BEFORE building the actual pipe.Step 1: develop countermeasuresStep 2: test countermeasuresStep 3: build pipeline using countermeasures
>>31744937>but we can process "honey" (or something)handwavey. we'd have to research it.we'd have to have some conception of their diet restrictions and digestive system.not worth Thinker time yet, not until we make them defy the law to allow trading tech to us.speaking of, ask Lee where their dropships landed.
>>31744937We should process food for the humans, they are helpless right now.And steal their dead for study until we can assimilate them later
>>31744947>Humans on earthYeah. After they learned how to farm, and agriculture.Before that, they had to be nomads, otherwise they depopulated nearby forests.Funny how that works.
>>31744983antimatter stomachs are literally the most efficient you can get! 100% energy conversion ratio, eat anything! Why haven't they evolved then? checkmate atheists!
>>31744991I was assuming that infrastructure is the prereq. of piping, not the actual piping. I do agree with your plan.
>>31744983No, you yelled because you are a retard who can't even read and loves to make strawman.To answer your points will require repeating for the 5th time what I have said before>variableWhich is why I based my figures on a FRACTION of the result instead of assuming we get full result every time.Also, you seem to think that farming is non variable and produces 100% constant yield year round and year after year. It doesn't, we need a diverse array of food. "every single apex predator and a sustainable quantity of the entire rest of the ecosystem" is a diverse array of foods>That means all those drones are dead, since they have no food.Dead drones are food.
>>31744983>What if they can't kill it, and it just squishes all of our drones when we try?I was assuming you guys were talking about swarm tactics.>We don't have the sort of power base to give us that many drones to just swarm stuff, is the problem.I wasn't advocating using this tactic. I was simply pointing out the flaw in your logic.If I were to pick, I would make our warriors hunters and use heavy weaponry to bring predators down instead of large amounts of worker drones.
>>31745008>What is a herd animal?
>>31745004...and make that food slightly addictive, while we're at it. For reasons.
>>31744798>InfrastructureYou begin to lay the eggs of several devices. Not quite drone but not machine either. Your workers take them and embed them into the walls. Within the day they hatch like seeds more than eggs, sprouting small tendrils of soft flesh. Your workers tend to the growing pipes and doors, and soon they will cover the hive.>Research halted for laboratory setupMiles away, in the small human camp you can hear the humans begin to stir in their nests. When they exit the sleeping area and enter the room you are in the first few jump and let out various noises of surprise. The morning ritual of the humans is slow to start but very exact. Each of them exits the sleeping room in a layer of thin cloth, and eat small rectangle shaped objects they peel from within shiny wrappings. They make light conversation but otherwise quiet as they eat. Lee pulls open one of the rectangles and hands it to your speaker."You hungry?"They seem to be more sensitive than you to food, so you accept. The brick is bland and devoid of most nutrients, but is rich in certain minerals your system simply ignores. They clearly have a very sensitive biological structure.
>>31745049You can extract less nutrients from a dead drone than went into growing it, though.
>>31745103is this a prompt or is there more?to Lee--where did you make planetfall?
>>31745103Try to find that one human that was clearly excited about you. He's probably a fa/tg/uy
>>31745049I don't see how it's a strawman argument, when you're literally saying>Hunting is better then farming in terms of constant food yield to raise an enormous army fasterIt is only better in that it is a fast and rich source of food, for right now. But it will not remain that way, if you choose to do it constantly, like you're talking about doing.Even at a fraction of what they brought in, the forest would not be able to sustain that big a population.Furthermore, I was not saying farming gives a 100% yield. but I was saying it is far safer, more efficent, and generally is less risky. A bad crop comes in? No problem, do a little hunting to make up for it. But your way? What do you do if you fuck up a hunt and get a majority of your drones killed? You get deminished returns on recycled ones, and that is assuming you can even recover them, less they be lost, eaten, destroyed, or just guarded by a dangerous predator you can not kill with your remaining forces.It's risky, and stupid. Too risky for a fledgling hive that just hatched it's first generation of bugs. Faster does not make better anon. You need to be patient.
>>31745103Well, if we study their diet, we could make replacement food. If the thinkers were online it couldn't be impossible.Have we encountered the useless minerals before?
>>31745090That's still agriculture, I hate to tell you>What is Husbandry?
>>31745131>You can extract less nutrients from a dead drone than went into growing it, though.it would be enough to prevent the hive from starving thoughthe worse case scenario from such a hunting excursion is that we would require a few days to replenish our losses. As long as we consume sustainable amounts there is no reason to NOT simply explode in pop up to the cap of the max pop level we can sustain with current ecosystem.... ok correction, the absolute worse case scenario would be parasite infestation killing off the entire hive.Anyways, we would be corralling a lot of creatures without killing them, in fact we would be tending to them to ensure more plentiful harvestsThat sweet gelly thing in our location requires very specified nutrients to grow. Most likely most of the other things out will have a less specific diet. So we should find superior "crops" and "herds".
>>31745199>One of the humans becomes wide-eyed, and you sense he is greatly exited by something for some reason.Pretty sure that may have been a fear response misinterpreted.
>>31745208I agree with this anon. Farming provides a stable base which hunting can supplement. There's a reason why hunter-gatherer tribes never grew big or built civilization on Earth, you know.
>>31745208>I don't see how its a strawman argument>I am just going to rewrite your argument into a completely different argument so that I could disprove that weaker argument I invented instead of what you actually argued.>I also don't see how its a strawman to explicitly lie about the math you are doing, specifically claiming you are using the figure from one lucky haul when you explicitly said an average haul would be lower and then based your math on said lower figures>Nope, no strawman at all
>>31745103The humans quickly eat their poor tasting bricks and drink a supply of water from small clear containers and they suit up into their strange bubble-headed outfits before exiting the shelter. Many of the other humans are out and about as well, most gathered around a large metallic structure standing in the center of the camp. They seem not be very wary of you, but soon you hear the sound of more arguing like you did the night before as the one you know as Colonel Ackerman exits his shelter with the others, who are all yelling at each other.You remember Lee mention he may have "changed his mind" by morning, you could speak to him. As you think of it you contemplate the possibility of offering a gift. You know they must be running low on food.>Offer them food>Don'tIn addition, you could use this time to ask your own questions. (write in)
>>31745239Or he's a junior scientist or something and was excited about first contact.
>>31745230I never said it wasn't agriculture anon, in fact I explicitly accepted it as such.I am saying that instead of spending all that research on that one rare crop that requires a bunch of research to even cultivate, we just hijack the entire ecosystem by killing apex predators, turning lesser creatures into herds, and finding more successful energy producers (plant equivalent)
>>31745292>>Offer them foodFor trade obviously.
>>31745277Fine, be a dick.Agriculture is better than pure hunting. that is my stance and I'm sticking to it.Good day sir.
>>31745292>>Don'tfirst contact is one thing, let's not go full pointless whiteknight.
>>31745292>Don'tThey will be fine. I don't think our fledgling hive can really offer them anything...and if we did it might accidentally kill them.
>>31745323Nothing on this damn planet is that convenient.
>>31745292>Offer them food
>>31745323Oh, you're that anon?Man I was agreeing with you/wanted to do that.I mean, not right NOW, because we're not that big. But hell yeah later.
>>31745292>Offer them foodIdeally for technology to analyze.
>>31745317He was excited about something all right.
>>31745292Offer them different kinds of food, tell them that trading gifts is expected in return.
>>31745370How is trade whiteknighting?
>>31745292Inform him that we are not 'rockmunchers' we just have no need for flame like they do.
>>31745474I find it pretty funny that we were all"What is flame?"*attach flamethrowers to our Warriors*
>>31745496Hey, that's flammable chemicals. Completely different.Still might have been funny if they ever saw our warriors.
>>31745271http://persquaremile.com/2011/08/17/hunter-gatherer-populations-show-humans-are-hardwired-for-density/31.6 sq km means a circle whose radius is 3.17http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_miles_a_day_can_a_person_walkhumans are known to hike 60 miles per day (they need breaks)Our drones can probably do double that120 miles = 190 km.Assuming scavenging parties go no further than 1 day out in each direction from hive (a silly assumption, they can travel a few days out) you get 190 * 190 * pie = 113411.5 sq kmAn area 3588.97x larger than what can support 100 humans.If our metabolism equals that of a human. we are talking about a population of 3.58897 million drones being stably supported via hunter gathering.And I was not actually talking about hunter gathering, I was talking about herding, and superior agriculture to the super rare and very poorly adapted jelly water that requires very specific nutrients we don't even have
>>31745584Okay, but I still support agriculture instead of living as pastoral nomads.
>>31745584NOTHING ON THIS PLANET IS SO CONVENIENT
>>31745375>Nothing on this damn planet is that convenient.we have been catching a fuckton of edible creatures which are far more plentiful than that fungus jelly. lets dissect them to find out if they require a super special diet or if we can cultivate a superior crop. why would you fixate on cultivating the first crop you find. and furthermore, one that we have observed to be extremely rare, being found only in one point in the entire area we have explored thus far?I would start with a census of biomass of different creatures. then we investigate the suitability of them for nutrition and cultivation starting with the most common, not with the most rare
>>31745658Do you know what capital letters are?
>>317456301. I repeatedly under estimated the values against us. realistically we could go much further. Army ants go on a 10 day pilgrimage, I used 2 days to calculate it. Since the area is pie*r*r an increase from 2 to 10 days would be an increase of 25x. That is, instead of 3.5 million, 87.5 million drones. That is assuming we are only twice as efficient as humans at walking and equal to bullet ants.2. How inconvenient? my figures were already drastically low. but you want to say I over estimated it by a factor of 100? fine. 3.5 million divide by 100 = 35 thousand35 thousand is a LOT more than the pathetic TEN we are now using.But the whole notion that we would starve to death after eliminating all food sources with a mere 50 drones is hilarious.Also, note that this 35 thousand figure can allow for a LOT of thinkers to do research REALLY quicklike
>>31745658Did you ever think that the fungus jelly can only grow in caves? Did you ever think that the food we have been gathering can only be produced outside?
>>31745292You decide that their food problem is just that, their own problem. You need your resources to grow your hive, not feed every creature who's ship breaks down in the system. If they ask then perhaps you will be able to strike a deal, but until then you decide it best to avoid the subject.You hear the colonel yell at one of the humans. "Damn it, wait! Seiner that's an order!"One of the humans is jogging towards you, the same one that seemed exited at your presence last night. The creature swiftly grabs your claw and shakes it up and down several times."Hello, we weren't able to speak last night, but I'm Lieutenant Seiner, Xenobiologist and the Clarke's chief medic, although I suppose you don't care about those titles. I have dedicated my life to studying life, alien and otherwise, and was hoping I could...""Seiner!" The colonel had walked up behind him and slapped the back of his helmet. "You are not authorized to speak to the locals!" His voice is thunderous, but muffled within the helmet. His face has turned bright red and you sense a very rapid heart rate. He turns to you, takes a deep breath and adds. "I'm sorry for the interruption, we won't keep you held up any longer."Seiner quickly backs away, but glares at the back of the colonel's head. You are astounded at the amount of division within the humans, they clearly are of many minds. By the sight of it you wouldn't be surprised if they crashed here while fighting over the controls.The colonel walks away, moving to the large metallic object in the middle of the camp. Lee leans toward you and says softly. "He's new. Commander died in the crash and he's under a lot of pressure. I'm sure he'll warm up to you soon enough.">attempt to speak with one of the more reasonable humans>return to the hive>stay and observe
>>31745689I was replying to a person who used nothing but capital letters. It seemed appropriate to not shout back at him
>>31745785>Did you ever think that the only way to find out is to study the ecosystem like I suggested?>Did you ever think that the outside is a LOT bigger than the caves for now?>Did you ever think that we already researched the fungus jelly and know it requires rare nutrients we don't have a way to produce yet and would have to prospect, mine, etc>What is wrong with outdoors farming?
please, no fighting. Your hive population is too small to perform any major agriculture project on a large scale just yet, and it's plenty small enough to avoid over-harvesting. There is no need to argue.
>>31745787>>attempt to speak with one of the more reasonable humansPerhaps we can get some information out of that doctor.
>>31745761>1. I repeatedly under estimated the values against uspoor phrasing, i mean "to our disfavor" not "the values we are facing"
>>31745787>>attempt to speak with one of the more reasonable humansYou said you landed in "life boats." Is that metal structure only one of them?
>>31745787Try to sneak off to meet Seiner again when the commander doesn't notice.
>>31745875wait no. he said this camp is some distance away from the life boats. where did they land?how did they construct the structure?
>>31745787speaker exists to interact with humans>attempt to speak with one of the more reasonable humansAsk how many worlds they have
>>31745787>stay and observe
>>31745787>attempt to speak with one of the more reasonable humansA plan>Get more warriors with rifles>Tell humans we can get rid of flying stuff>Snipe the living fuck outta them >Humans know know we are not bumfuck'in retarted>We trade our plentieful food to them for tech shit>Research it and make better bio stuff>Profit
>>31745889that is an interesting idea
>>31745787>return to the hiveHermit mode. We will develop in isolation.
>>31745787>Stay and observe.Sorta why we made Speaker.
>>31745922Or we could just wait until they're starving and desperate for food. Or we could just wait until they're starving and all die.
>>31745922you know, the humans are being surprising friendly. they think we are primitives and their first reaction was to PROTECT us rather then exterminate us.We could be magnanimous in kind. Also, they don't seem to be going anywhere.Actually, we could first ASK to see how they are faring. as in "it looks like your supplies are dwindling" and "will you be able to repair your ships in time"?Also, if they do repair their ships and we decide not to kill them all and they go back. They will still know of us, but now we would be those assholes who didn't help them at time of need even though we had the means to
>>31745922We need more metal for rifles though. Maybe trade with humans for food?
>>31745946>Not spying on otherswhy?
>>31745981How the hell would they know we could help them? They think we're rock eating primitives.
>>31745946silent observation works too. we don't need to exert any effort here.
>>31746040they will figure it out when we meet them in space and they say "hey, you said you don't have industry" and we go "no, we said we don't use fire" or "it was a test to see how you would treat us"
>>31745787You watch as the colonel storms off to oversee some event in the center of the camp and you walk up to the human named Seiner."Tell me of how you arrived here."The human looks at you and smiles. "Right to the point, aren't you? Well we were part of a recon convoy. When we reached orbit here and were about to launch the surface probes we were attacked by a Unity drone. The thing was hiding in the atmosphere so we never saw it coming. The ship was destroyed, and we landed here in pods. Don't worry though, soon enough we will launch that beacon over there into orbit and request a rescue. We let out a distress just before we lost the ship so there should be a rescue operation on the way, but in the mean time I was hoping to learn more about your people."Seiner leans in close to you. "Lee said you were insectoid, like ants, but by your size you must have bones of some kind. Please, tell me about yourself.">I come from space>I was born here>make up something outlandish
>>31746064Why would we say any of that?Anyway, I was proposing trade. Y'know, not giving them our food for free. >>31746123>>I was born here Technically true.
>>31746123Tell outrages lies about your mating habits.
>>31746123"I was born here."
>>31746123>I was born here."It's true, Speaker was indeed born here.
>>31746123>I was born here
>>31746165Seconding this, we can trade food for metal. That way we don't have to mine and refine all of it just to make some rifles.
>>31746123>We let out a distress just before we lost the ship so there should be a rescue operation on the way>Unity drone hiding in OUR atmospherewell double crapWe can't survive orbital bombardment by either side, yet.And from what we can hear they aren't trying to "kill the dangerous primitives".I think this actually changes things enough to warrant revealing to them we aren't total primitives
>>31746123>>I was born hereWhere are your pods?
>>31746123Our Queen knows more of how we're made. I suggest an audience with her as well as information of your own biology.
>>31746198I just wanna point out to the people who wanted to murder all the folks>Sent a distress signal before we crashed>Drone in the atmosphereWe weren't avoiding contact no matter how you look at it.
>>31746123>we were attacked by a Unity drone. The thing was hiding in the atmosphereOh sit.we really ought to make some kind of radar device, and hatch a drone with the necessary antennae to sense radar waves.
>>31746165>Why would we say any of that?the alternative is "we lied just cause"
>>31746198Orbital bombardment to destroy one drone in the atmosphere sounds incredibly wasteful, and doesn't even guarantee its destruction. I don't think we have to worry about that.
>>31746235>I just wanna point out to the people who wanted to murder all the folksyea, we sidestepped a HUGE fucking landmine there>>31746256no, orbital bombardment to destroy usfor example, if we had slaughtered all the human survivors and took their tech. the rescuers that are already on their way would have probably nuked us from orbitand the species they are fighting is most likely nasty enough from the snippets we heard that they would nuke us from orbit just because we are an alien
>>31746235so... about"I was born here, my egg landed not far from here"
>>31746255Or "We misled you due to us being a fledgling civilization and wary of threats that could totally destroy us." Not that I'm saying we should let them starve, but we shouldn't give away our food for free.
>>31746235killing ONE guy would have saved us from contact until we we stronger, which was the idea.
We should always be using the pronoun "we." Because we are the hive. There are no individuals but the queen, and the queen is the hive. We. If ever, we use "this one."
>>31746123"This drone was born here, but the queen, who talks through me, was not. She came from another system, unknown even to her."
>>31746329Contact makes us stronger. Jolly co-operation ho!
>>31746361Voting against. I think it's best we keep up the charade.
>>31746361This is a lie.the queen hatched on this planether egg was LAID on another planet.Our parent did not see fit to include in our ship an explanation of why they sent us here outside their range, where our homeworld is, the size of our civiliation, etc.
>>31746417which is why I propose >>31746310
>>31746361There is no reason to reveal that.They're upset and desperate, they will break their prime directive for us without us revealing space travel already.
>>31746417We got sentient in the void of space, so I count that as 'hatching'. I said nothing about where our homeworld is, the size of our civilization, etc.
>>31746449>They're upset and desperateactually, they expect rescue soon from a distress signal they sent before being destroyedAND they are going to launch an orbital distress beaconAND some of their convoy might have survivedAND their enemy might come back to look for survivorsAND their enemy might detect their distress beacon and come finish them offIf we kill all the survivors then their rescue is upset at us. if we let them live then their enemy might detect them and come bombarding.>>31746481hatching is physically exiting the egg. we became sentient there, but were did not exit our egg shell until we were on this world
>>31746511So we lay low and let the humans deal with each other.
>>31746532If the orbital bombardment happens we could die.
Hope we can find and strip their landing pods for metal and data for the Thinkers, at least.
>>31746532we are only a few miles from them, close enough that if their enemy just drops a single nuke we die.... actually, this is a good reason to build a queen chamber and some storage DEEP underground. deep enough to survive a big bomb. And relocate queen there.>>31746532lay low doesn't necessarily means not aiding them. we should at least ASK how many more days of food supplies they have.also if we lay low and then they go into space and speak with their people their people still find out we exist.
>>31746123>"This hive was born here." You state simply.Seiner mutters under his breath. "Spore based reproduction? Wouldn't rule it out. Explain a lack in memory... isolated pockets of civilization?" He quickly looks back to you. "Well, that's all interesting, now tell me...how do you deal with those." He points to the sky. Several of the flying creatures are circling overhead. They seem to be waiting for something, as if they know the camp is too well defended for them."When we first landed we lost six men to those things. The size of shuttles and as fast as a plane. I've never seen anything like 'em." He adds.You look up at them. "They have proven dangerous."He sighs. "Well you can't tame everything."You change the subject to something more interesting. "You were attacked?""Yea, you mean apple." Lee says."Don't call them that." Seiner replies, "No matter how many times you try to get that dumb nickname to stick, it never will." He turns to you. "The Unity are.... a mistake, I suppose you could say. I doubt they have any quarrel with you, although I'm sure they would love to set up a research station here." He thinks long and hard on how to explain them. "Humans made them a long time ago, but then they decided to leave. Now they attack us. Like....two hives that used to be one, and now they attack eachother. Understand?"You nod your head, the human sign of yes. At least you think you do."There is a sudden flurry of action around the large device, and you see humans sprinting away as quickly as their two legs will carry. Something seems to have driven them to panic.Roll 1d100, highest of 3
>>31746558good idea there. supported
Rolled 25>>31746607aww sheet.someone got drunk on duty.
Rolled 58>>31746639>>31746655>>31746664>These shit rolls
>>31746639>>31746655>>31746664hahahahaha.that beacon is so exploded.
>>31746700that is a lot of 7s.
>>31746607hahahahaah oh i see what you did there now. you were right that was groan worthy.
>>31746607You hear a tremendous booming sound as the ground beneath the large device buckles and crumbles away, then the roots of the nearby shelters bow and snap as if crushed by an invisible force. Humans are picked up and flung across the plains and you feel your speaker hit by an unseen force, as if struck by a wall. Your drone flies into the air, tumbling end over and before landing on the ground in a heap."Pain" Your speaker thinks to you. Several bones have been snapped, and the left antenna has been torn off. The booming sound hits again and you notice the large metallic structure is imploding in on itself, arcing inwards in a large spiral. You see several humans pulled through the air and tumble into the collapsing device, disappearing into thin air. It is now that you notice the rush of air flowing towards the collapsing debris, pulling you closer.Roll 3d100, best of 3
Did Lee ever show the Commander the intelligence test we finished, that should be enough to show him that we're smarter than "stone throwers"
Rolled 99>>31746830what the shit they created a... black hole? spatial distortion?what kind of crazy engine did they make there. we have to steal it.
>>31746823I didn't see it, what was it?
Rolled 57>>31746830Goodbye speaker drone.
>>31746868microscopic black holes would be an excellent source of energy. they emit massive amount of gamma rays as they decay into nothingness
>>31746830Your speaker plunges its claws into the dirt, firmly anchoring itself against the torrent of air.You feel a snag, a sudden increase in weight. As you look back you see Lee grasping at one of your legs, he is quickly sliding back along the dirt, his stubby graspers incapable of getting a proper hold. His hand slips off your leg and he continues toward the collapsing device, which has become no more than a floating orb of intense heat.>Save Lee (roll)>focus on saving your drone
Rolled 39>>31747033>>Save Lee (roll)
Rolled 3>>31747033save Lee
Rolled 48>>31747033>Save LeeMight as well keep him alive. If the friendly humans die we don't need the speaker anyway.
Rolled 92>>31747033>>Save Lee (roll)
Rolled 87>>31747033>>focus on saving your dronewe're not really... suited for that.and fuck all that technology lost.wait, roll now or after decision?
>>31747033Would someone tell me the hell happened?I mean, shit man. We were just having a nice chat, and suddenly the world exploded.
>>31747033Let's look for Seiner too after saving Lee.
Rolled 98>>31747081....time to lay a new Speaker drone.As far as egg laying anyway:Lay 3 more Thinkers? Lost one to Infrastructure, and want to speed up research anyway.
>>31747116It seems like the mounted a superluminal drive on a distress beacon, and it imploded. Now there's a micro black hole in the middle of the human camp.
>>31747152I hate that when it happens.
@QM:is there anything wrong with the math in>>31745584>>31745761>>31745851or can local environment really support millions of workers on sustainable hunter gathering alone (and much more with agriculture)?I mean, depending on how fast we tech up we should able to eventually support billions once we cover the whole planet...
>>31747231Drop it already, anon. You suggestion didn't get much support from others, time to move on.
>>31747152And to think we chided them about fire being unsafe...(considering our FTL drive did not do that when recycled and we don't have the tech to handle a black hole I bet our drive ran on a safer fuel source)
>>31747231by the time we reach a size where foraging threatens sustainability we'll get a warning. we don't have to worry about it now.
>>31747193Math is not my strong suit, although eventually I would imagine it would get to a point that "hunter gatherer" is looking more like farming, since if you had millions of drones harvesting one jungle you would either end up stripping it, or end up killing off all the meat eaters. At that point I would call it a really messy looking farm.>>31747033You retract your claws, tumbling backwards towards him. You manage to wrap your legs around his torso and plunge your claws back into the dirt. The added weight makes it much harder to keep your grip, and soon you feel your drone slipping. Lee is screaming, but you can hardly hear him over the rushing air as the device devours much of the camp before shrinking into nothing.The small sun disappears as quickly as it came, and the air is filled with the sounds of agonized screaming."That's twice! Shit, I owe you!" Lee says.The camp is in ruins, humans struggle to get back to their feet from under piles of debris and upturned vegetation. The spot where the device once stood is now a crater, with no sign of where it went.You can hear a human yelling at the edge of the crater.He is screaming a stream of what you can only assume are profanities.1/2
>>31747275>(considering our FTL drive did not do that when recycleddidn't it burn up in entry, after using up the last of its fuel or whatever it uses?>>31747376Good news, everyone!Human camp is under new management!
>>31747376whelp, time to save the humans and endear them to the hard chitinous bosom of the Hive
>>31747376>or end up killing off all the meat eaters. At that point I would call it a really messy looking farm.that was the idea :)>>31747336Well, in that case, I propose we lay some more workers and warriors.
I wonder if that low roll of 25 caused the severity of the implosion, or just the Speaker drone's injuries.
>>31747412>didn't it burn up in entry, after using up the last of its fuel or whatever it uses?it did, and it didn't explode into a black hole when it burned to slug. so there is a plusalthough maybe the black hole was consumed by the act of jumping and didn't exist anymore when we entered the atmosphere
>>31747469>although maybe the black hole was consumedwell duh, it had no fuel.Of course it would be incapable of something that catastrophic if it had no energy to do ANYTHING anymore.an engine with no gas never explodes either.
>>31747376"Damn it, shit shit shit!" He screams, beating the ground with a bent pipe before throwing it across the crater.As the humans begin to tend to their wounded you hear mounting confusion from them."Where's Ackerman?""I think I saw him near the drive.""Where is he?""I saw him pulled in!""No, he made it to the shelter!""Who's in command!""Shut it!" One of the shouts, silencing the rest."Ackerman got pulled in to the drive, who's not dead, name and rank!"You watch as they list themselves down in an order you have no knowledge of. It seems to have many vacancies."Captain Gustav Reynolds!"Silence"And, Captain Trevor Grey, myself.... Alright, I'm taking command. Give me a damage report, what are we missing."You notice the doctor is still nearby, slumped over a root and clutching his arm.Between the cries of the wounded and the rush of adrenaline, none of the humans seem to notice the small points of light and smoke trailing in from the clouds above until the sound of a sonic boom puts a halt to their activity. They all turn to the sky, and watch as three objects carve fine, smoky trail across the sky, then turn sharply in different directions and disappear across the horizon.I think that's it for tonight. will stay till we 404 for feedback and questions.
>>31747738Wait, wait, wait, why are you using Army ranks in a ship crew.
Rolled 33>>31747793Maybe they're marines.
>>31747793Air force, actually, except Commander, which is a title granted to whoever the ship's ranking officer is, and isn't actually a rank.Thus "Spaceman", which is from "Airman" but sounds more pulpy.
>>31747793The rank captain isn't exclusive to the army anon
>>31747861Ah, it first I assumed you were using Navy ranks before, so I freaked out when I saw multiple Captains. I guess I'm just more used to Space Navies as opposed to Space (Air) Forces.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20QuestGot the thread archived.>>31747929I spent three days contemplating using air force or navy ranks as a base. It was a tough decision.
>>31747866I heard ships have captains?
>>31747956The army has captains, airforce has group captains, navy has ship captains.
>>31747950>>31747738Good thread man. I feel bad we could not expand our hive size more, but well...resources n' all.
>>31747738>>31618988the apples thing. well done.
>>31747275>>31747412While it is true that your FTL drive was on the exterior of your pod, and thus burned up in the atmosphere, you actually have a different FTL technology that does not require the creation of singularities.Your drive uses Tritium gas decay to collect tachyons until there is enough to surround the ship, instantly transporting it from point A to point B (there are a lot of annoying physics reasons as to why this actually doesn't work, but fuck it, it's cool.) I wanted to have each race develop an FTL method that suits them. The Blink Drive seemed the most fitting due to your psionic communication, which uses the science-magic of tachyonic particles that are theoretical and undetectable under normal circumstances (or in our case, almost totally disproven, but that's taking a pessimistic approach to science)>>31748165Lee is the Carlos of the Clarke's crew.
>>31748048I think our next objective should be to hatch burrowers. No eyes, enhanced antenna. To both expand the hive and dig for metals.
>>31747738>rush of adrenalineHold on, do our drones possess adrenaline?
>>31748265I like you QD. You're a swell guy.
>>31748265I did think to rename that reaction image "Lee.png" before posting it.I regret that I didn't.
>>31748048Thanks.When you start making more drones I hope to simplify the current resource system into a "mass friendly" system of buying in bulk and dealing with groups instead of single drones, but I think we can cross that bridge when we get to it. The Excell spreadsheet is working so far.>>31748282no, but you can identify the response in the humans, who all collectively soiled themselves when the singularity collapsed.>>31748317I like you too.
>>31748281oh yeah, i was thinking of giving up eyes for sensor drones but that makes sense too.we can make their claws optimized for digging?is there room to optimize them, do we need to research that, giving up the weapon usage?
>>31748355Sounds good to me.Hunting will do for now, I reckon with our size being so small. Interested in seeing what's up with those herbavors to the south, too.Oh also, yet more invaders on our wonderful fungus world.Actually, question: Is this ever gonna go interplanetary?
If there are active drones out there......we need to hatch a drone that detects electronic transmissions.Can we make a Specialty drone that is nothing but antennae?
>>31748402Yes. I hope you will one day control entire systems, and rather you be a surprisingly reasonable and benevolent empire, or a horrendous plague unto this universe is entirely up to you.As for the others, I think it's safe to assume they arrived after detecting the astronomical amount of energy released from the gravity drive.>>31748457Yup, at that point it counts more as tech than a drone. Do you want it to be able to walk, or just be a satellite dish?
>>31748504might as well walk.how much can we save on nutrients from taking that part away?how many antennae types can we fit into it?
>>31748504Huh...wow this human shit is kinda getting out of hand.I want to keep observing, but I am uncomfortable with us being near this sudden grouping of humans.Hopefully, they manage to get home, and Lee will get to see his wife an 5 kids again.I look forward to interplanetary stages then. FOR NOW we conquer the continent.
>>31748457Sounds interesting.Perhaps a tall and sessile drone, but it can be picked up and placed with the help of a few workers.Attach a Thinker to the base and it'll be a very useful interception tower, automatically translated and decoding messages.
>>31748281I agree with thisbut I don't see why it should prevent us from doing other things such as hatching a bunch more units in general.
>>31748281>>31748608Should our diggers eat coal and shit diamonds? AKA digestive tract that eats everything except precious metals?It would up the cost to make them, but I think it would be more efficient than making specialty refinery drones. They might even gain sustenance from the dirt that they eat. Could be interesting.
>>31748545Well if you're going to keep it as a drone, it will be limited to what you can fit on its head. You can have it detect a lot of things but with poor reception, or detect one thing really well. For example, an EM detector would just detect what kind and how strong, while a radio detector would be able to understand radio transmissions.>>31748553This would work very well, and you would be able to fit more powerful sensors on it due to the decrease in complexity.
>Posting temporarily disabled. Come back later!oh good posting's re enabled.>>31748545oh and plus, if it has legs, or not, i guess it should have the >Legs – EM sensitivity,adaptation that is new this thread.
>>31748504oh right, we can, after all, hatch DOORS and PIPES.no reason we can't hatch a satallite dish
>>31748683sounds fine then.a sessile sensor maxed out for EM waves....if we manage a way to produce EM pings, we could also use it as radar.Or make a similar array for sound, and use it as sonar--for searching for ore veins?
>>31748680diamonds are of very limited use.Also, coal and diamond are both carbon, just diamonds are much more compressed.carbon nanotubes would probably be more useful than diamonds usually (and manufactured in the cells of the organism rather then being graftedour VERY limited diamong requirements can be handled by specialized diamond manufacturers that just produce it from regular food (coal is not in any way shape or form superior source of carbon for diamonds than any slice of meat or vegetable)
>>31748680>t would be more efficient than making specialty refinery dronesThe exact opposite seems to be true.you only fit so many complexities per drone.separate drones each highly specialized is always more efficient.
>>31748832I think radar dishes should be a separate drone.
>>31748829Think of it this way. At some point in the past, your species developed advanced enough genetic engineering technology to implant what is essentially a naturally grown gene lab into the egg sac of the queen. Every queen after that held this ability, and it became more and more crazy until we have doors, pipes, and space ships counting as kids.Before that, I think it would be safe to assume that there could have been a prince class that held similar sentience to the queens, but I haven't bothered writing back that far.
>>31748919is there a difference?
>>31748882So, some sort of mineral spider worker?
>>31748945I'm no master of radar tech, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say they would operate on the same principle, so no, no real difference. If you get a radio antenna to produce radio waves in bursts, and it is sensitive enough it could serve as radar just fine.It would just need to be sensitive enough to count the differences in the signal as it bounces back, and a thinker would be needed to interpret that data.
>>31748882I was kidding about the diamond part.>>31748911True, but we need to feed two mouths with specialty + digger. And it might take longer to shovel dirt into our specialty rather than simply allowing the digger to also be the specialty.We'll see what QD says.
>>31749059QM implied there is max complexity per unit.no matter how many nutrients you're willing to feed it every day, you can't shove all the things into one drone, even making it really large.i mean, QM still hasn't even explained(or decided?) how we are actually going to refine ores once we finally begin mining...
>>31749092It's just one bloody addition. Calm your tits.We're also planning on taking out the eyes as well, anyways, to help it be more useful underground.
>>31749092Not really a max, but if you give a drone lots and lots of adaptations it will end up needing a roll to prevent horrible genetic instability. You could end up with random mutations if you try to make a drone too complex.As for refining metal, specialty drones that would be fed the ore and then process it would be fine, but would likely need to be decently large.A mining drone with a refinery built in? I don't see why not, but it would be quite large, and have a substantial nutrient cost, but from your plans it sounds like they would spend their lives underground, using their antennae to find ore veins, eat them, process them, and then dump the processed metals back at the mine entrance or be dumped wherever and retrieved by workers.
>>31749167i meant the very concept of refining ores biologically might not even be our method--but it seems it is.
>>31749232They can place the processed metals in the main shaft or so.Anyways, big digger drones? How much bigger? If our workers are 5 feet tall, then how tall would these diggers be? Not that it matters. We should have our tunnels wider than our worker drones, anyways.
>>31749232How much is the nutrient cost for a standalone refinery, and how many Metals can it process each day?versus the mega miner refiner drone.
>>31749329Well since we are talking a mobile steel mill, I'm thinking around the size of a combine harvester.>>31749362Honestly I'm not sure yet, but a mobile version would cost more than a stand-alone version. As it is a blind digger drone would be little more than a modified worker, the size and cost comes from the organs needed to refine the metal.
>>31749472much more than the 2 nutrients per day necessary to support a normal mining drone then.
>>31749514i meanthe difference between two's costs, being much more than 2.so 2(cost of miner) + X (cost of refiner) < Y (cost of big mobile refiner miner)
>>31749472can't we use a 2-step ore processor?Slag Furnace to get rid of most of the dirt and rock. This is the huge part that really doesn't need to be biologicalRefinery drones that are much smaller and process metals into usable form both chemically and physically.
>>31749472Hey, our warrior drones can fit through the space a miner refiner would casually mine out. Sounds perfect.Perhaps we can keep a few of these 'combine refiners' employed to continue hollowing out the mountain and getting us delicious metals and usable rooms. Twisting passages galore.I feel that it would be really time-efficient for getting as much metal as possible. But then again, I'm bad at calculations.What's most efficient out of all of these proposals, QD?
>>31749548Well a stand-alone refinery drone would be immobile, and would look more akin to a hony-pot ant (thanks to the annon that linked those, I didn't know about them before then) so the cost difference between a refinery drone and a mobile digger-refinery combo would be the cost of the digger, the cost of the refinery, and the added cost of keeping it all small enough to still be able to walk, or at least crawl.>>31749575My assumption for the proposed all-in-one model is that the digestive tract does that, with the "stomach" equivalent serving as the furnace, and additional organs to apply chemical treatment. It would likely be "fueled" with pre-processed nutrients due to the lack of a normal digestive system.The same thing applies to thinkers. You have been eating their food to pre-process it into nutrient goop they can eat because they lack a proper digestive system.
>>31749682Assuming all these metals and minerals are in very loose concentrations and heavier than rock, a slag furnace saves a lot on efficiency.Separating everything by composition means that there's a bottleneck on the sheer volume of ore to be processed. Letting gravity get rid of useless slag will cut down on how much has to be processed by a the refiner.
>>31749672>I'm bad at calcuationsSo am I, I have a spread sheet set up to calculate the cost of new drones, with room for new creations. It's been my saving grace in keeping up with all this.I think it would depend on how you intended to use them, but I would think that the combine digger would be more efficient in the long run, but have a much higher start-up cost, while the other option would cost less individually, but could end up costing more in upkeep in the long run.
>>31749672>I feel that it would be really time-efficient for getting as much metal as possibledoubtful.the workflow either goes: mine, take up to hive, refine; or it goes mine, refine, take up to hive.I don't see how it possibly gets any faster. either way more mining is going on at the same time as refining.
>>31749784We're very early on in the quest, and we recently got a slight boost in nutrients. We can afford to employ a combine digger, I think.Although, using individuals might give us an advantage faster. I'm really biased towards owning a massive insectoid monstrosity that eats mountains, though.