How would someone do a Pacific Rim game?Also Romeo Blue is best Jaeger
Refluffing Adeptus Evangelion would probably work really well
>>31736311I'm sorry but that is not Cherno
>>31736794Cherno is good, but fucking Coyote Tango is my answer. Why? Because it has those fuckhueg guns that give it a bitchin profile.
>>31736762fuck NOAdEva is not good for what it was intended, never mind a re-fluff
My big question is how to handle drifting, obviously it will require two players but knowing how players act>That Guy and This Guy end up as drift partners
>>31737048AdEva is fun. Not the best thing ever, but fun. I'd like to see a game with some kind of rivalry between the Eva Corps and the Jaeger Corps. I think that would be fun.
>>31737166mechanic wise?have them have a synch stat, only people that can into drift (drift compatible) have it, so non-Pilot PCs and NPCs do not have itthen they roll whenever dice whenever they want to do something more complicated than say walk, get up, etc... if two characters have a lot of drift comptatibility and are piloting a jaeger maybe basic brawling and minor athletics does no longer require them to roll dice, and if they max the stat, well then they can Jackie Chan flawlesslymaybe have things like stress, bonds with the other pilot, sleep deprivation, trauma, phobias temporarily affect the potency of drift compatibility
>>31736311BRP Mecha.>>31737286I would run this.
>>31737316>>31737286Set it in alt reality where the sequel idea of the Jaeger Kaiju mix happened and they still have to fight off Kaiju.
>>31737360I wouldn't run it in actual movie canon.
>>31737384That's why I said alt reality. I'm sorry I did not make it clearer.
>>31737286Eva. Jaeger. Both built to counter the Kaiju threat, but both fundamentally different. When the governments of the world came together to fight the Kaiju, there were essentially two weapons platforms that were considered. The first was the Jaeger, fully mechanical, with two synchronized human pilots. The second was Eva. Although covered with ablative armour plating, under the sheets of re-enforced metal, an Eva was a living creature that the lone pilot would synchronize with. Disagreements over which research and development path to follow lead to both being adopted. Some nations, such as Japan, focused more on Eva development, whilst others like Australia turned to Jaegers. Typically, Evas and Jaegers are not deployed together, as no nation has tried to build both. This has lead to a certain level of rivalry between the two corps. Eva pilots tend to dismiss Jaeger pilots as uncaring brutes, callous and harsh like the metal monsters they command. Jaeger pilots on the other hand often see Evas as biological monstrosities not far removed from Kaiju, and unconfirmed reports of "berserk" Evas tearing Kaiju apart do little to stem these beliefs.
>>31736311>not Chrome Brutus
>>31737422I mean I wouldn't use any of the canon, just the basic ideas.
If it's not Gypsy Danger it's not the best Jaeger.
okay I would just like to put this interesting note from some pathfinder theorycrafting I did. So I made up an item(following the rules for magic item creation of course) called the helm of possess object. its a useactivated helmet the casts possess object. the funny thing about it is at best by yourself you can possess up 17 units of object equaling just over a gargantuan sized creature. if that object you were looking to possess were say a gargantuan sized mech it'd be about the same as a g gundam style piloting. but if you wanted to possess something say the size of a jaeger you would need two people both controlling half the creature. so ya know even in pathfinder a jaeger needs two pilots.
I think you could actually do it pretty good using the Shadowrun rules. You just need to work out the wonky scaling issues, but after that it's just a matter of working out what stats are Jaeger inferred and what would be pilot inferred. Then create Kaiju using the summonings rules. So, like a Cat 4 could be a Magnitude 8 beast and so on.
I just want to know what Diablo Intercept looked like.
>>31737286 EVA/Pacific Rim in the world of Leviathan
>>31736311>romeo blueMy nigga.>bridge uppercutEvery time.
>>31737632They did have mechas in that didn't they?
Cthulutech. Just Cthulutech. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CthulhuTech
>>31737606here are the related spell texts:This spell functions as magic jar, except you transfer your mind to a single object, animating it as if using animate objects, except your mind controls the object as if it were your own body.An animated object can be of any non-magical material. You may animate one Small or smaller object or a corresponding number of larger objects as follows: A Medium object counts as two Small or smaller objects, a Large object as four, a Huge object as eight, a Gargantuan object as 16, and a Colossal object as 32.
>>31737681derp the first one is possess object the second one is animate objects and animate objects is one small object per caster level
>>31737539I would do a cold war style game where everyone is ostensibly building Jaegers to fight the kaiju, but the Jaegers are starting to look a little bit too much like Ace Combat superweapons for anyone's liking.>Lancer Wildfire is armed with a set of twelve large-bore hydrogen cannons. These guns were adapted from prototype satellite launchers and are each capable of firing 24-ton shells at muzzle velocities up to 15 kilometers per second.>In normal operation, the shells follow a low suborbital trajectory. They are equipped with rocket boosters and highly accurate terminal guidance allowing Wildfire to engage a kaiju-sized target at intercontinental ranges with a high kill rate.>This same capability allows it to function as a highly effective ABM, ASAT and nuclear launch platform, which is our real concern. Russia's conventional military has suffered badly and they'd be foolish not to leverage this weapon in future conflicts.>The kaiju are a sideshow, gentlemen. We need a Jager that can stop Wildfire.
>>31737987By the time you sortied anything against that it will have leveled half your country
>>31738108Which is what everyone will have concluded once they see it action. The Russians insist that it's purely for fighting kaiju even though it's obviously not, which gives everyone else an opportunity to build their own superweapons.Purely for fighting the kaiju, of course.
>>31737669Cthulhutech has a terribad system, anon.
>>31737456Are the Angels somehow linked to the Kaiju, or was Second Impact a failed attempt to open the portal in Antarctica instead of under the Pacific Ocean?And what about the fact Eva pilots are teenagers while jaeger Pilots are fully-grown adults?I so want this to be a thing now.
>>31740846Jaeger Pilots see the Eva pilots as immature and childish, not taking the scale of the threat seriously.
>>31740876Eva pilots see Rangers as militaristic bullies who take far too much glee in punching first then asking questions later
>>31737456One of the few times in which both Evas and Jaegers saw service side by side was when a double Kaiju event hit Tokyo. Eva unit 00 and Jaeger Coyote Tango were both deployed. It is noted that the Eva engaged the Kaiju in the centre of Tokyo, causing major collateral damage while Coyote Tango lured the other Kaiju away from the city to minimise damage. Criticsm was levelled at the Eva pilot for the damage caused, further souring relations between the Evas and the Jaegers.
>>31737987>>31738295>The Kaiju are a side show.I like this concept. I want the fighting to stop long enough for earth to war again. When they finally assault again, humanity turns its collective heads to them and remembers "oh yeah, that's a thing" and unite once again in glorious brother hood.
>>31741166Proponents of the EVA program often point to the relative efficiency of the biomechanical walkers, as EVA pilots almost universally defeat Kaiju faster than Jaeger crewsHowever EVA detractors are equally fast to mention the recklessness of such actions, as well the extremely long recovery time of EVA pilots due to extreme physical exhaustion due to over aggressive action in the field. For every minute saved in the field, an EVA pilot requires an extra hour of rest compared to equivalent Ranger teams
>>31740876>>31741066Tsundere-on-smartass Ranger/EVA Pilot love story?
>>31741344This is all I want.
>>31741291A further point of contention is in the mental strain. While Jaeger pilots have the dangers of chasing the RABIT and sharing memories with their partners, this also spreads the load between the two pilots, who operate as a team. Eva pilots however are young adults with an underdeveloped brain, piloting their war machines singlehandedly, who suffer far more mental and emotional strain compared to Jaeger Pilots, and are more likely to crack under the pressure.
>>31741344We need a writefag pronto. Should Asuka be the Eva Pilot, and which Jaeger Ranger should it be? The Aussie?
>>31741424I was thinking an original duo, actually. A mashup like this screams for a mostly new cast, so as to free it from the stations of canon.
Cthulhutech is my first answer- hell, when PR came out, my first response was 'the Cthulhutech movie!'- but the system isn't the best, and it has a reputation as being kind of rapey.I'd go with Shadowrun.
>>31741466I agree with this.Also given all the Eva pilots are younger teens and the Jaeger pilots are in their 20s-30s, that makes an interesting dynamic.
>>31741405In a strange contradiction EVA pilots break faster but Rangers break harder. While over all a Ranger suffers less mental strain through the drift, when this link is overwhelmed (most often through the loss of the drift partner) the Ranger breaks completely, and it is very rare for them to ever drift againConversely all EVA pilots suffer from a degree of psychological instability after any real length of deployment. As they run themselves closer and closer to breaking point they drift better and better with their EVA's. EVA unit commanders are forced into a delicate balancing act between the health of their pilots and the security of the cities in their AO
>>31736311Mekton Zeta or the d20 Mecha systemAdeptus Evangelion is good too.
>>31736311Cool Lou tech or Gurps Mechs.
>>31741495Ooh, thought. Former EVA pilot, has reached the cutoff and can no longer sync with an EVA, but they're Drift capable, and have no useful skills, so the Ranger program (at the urging of some researchers who want to see if it can work) came a-knockin'. Now we have the reason they're forced to work together, and rid ourselves of the weird vibes.
>>31741504Another point is in the durability of their engines. Evas damage more easily, but conversely Evas have been observed to be easier to repair and can function despite taking large amounts of damage. Jaegers are physically tougher and better armoured, but once they start taking damage their effectiveness degrades drastically, and badly damaged Jaegers cannot be repaired the way Evas are and are usually sent to Oblivion Bay.
Wouldn't it be easier to make Eva pilots than Jaeger pilots? It's been a long time since I've watched NGE, so forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't the only requirement for an Eva pilot that they have a parent or sibling to be chopped up and made part of an Eva? To drift, Jaeger pilots have to be on the level of twins who complete each others sentences even before they start training.
>>31741737Well, Eva Pilots have to have a specific level of psycosis and have to be in the right age bracket, whereas Jaeger Pilots only need someone who can drift with them and can be of any age. We have 20-40 year olds who are Jaeger Pilots, and all Eva Pilots are between 14-17.
>>31741737It depends where the EVA's come from. If its just Earth grown Kaiju parts than chopping up parents is fine, but for obvious reasons they have to keep that shit low key. If nothing else the world hasn't been literally blown off its axis so the conspiracy has far less leewayAs for Rangers there are less of them but they work better for longer. Its an elite brotherhood compared to the massively unstable ranks of EVA pilots
>>31741587>A ranger drifting with an Eva pilot.This can only end horribly. But I want to see it happen.
>>31741782>Well, Eva Pilots have to have a specific level of psycosis and have to be in the right age bracketI swear to god, I don't remember anything about the pilots needing to be a special kind of crazy to synch with an Eva, and I don't remember anything about them needing to be teenagers, either. I thought them being kids was just because the creator was deconstructing the old mecha anime.
>>31741782An Eva pilot is also only good for about two years or so before they are just mentally done for.
>>31741865We never saw or heard of any non-teen pilots, either in the original NGE nor in any of the remakes, so I assumed all pilots had to be teenagers.
I would say Jaeger pilots and Eva pilots would be about even in number. Finding and training Jaeger pilots is harder, but Eva pilots burn out a whole lot faster and require a specific set of circumstances
Would you see ex-Eva pilots volunteering to be Jaeger Rangers because they still hunger for the taste of combat?
>>31741933EVA pilots could be split between an 'active' and 'recovering' roster as their conditions deteriorate or improve. The numbers on the active roster stay roughly static, but the names change damn near every day
>>31741737The use of the parents was a way of creating certainty and ease. Don't forget, all of Shinjis classmates were possible pilots.I think overall the requirements amounted to a specific level of mental instability, certain genetic traits, and certain age range. Reducing final number of available pilots at the time to about 10 post second impact.
We need to see if there are any folks on /m/ who can weigh in on what a combined eva/jaeger world would be like, and how the two would interact.Also we need that wriefag for >>31741344
>>31741975Volunteering yes but I'd doubt they'd be accepted unless they somehow turned up with a drift partner. Which could be interesting actually, twins who reunited after they washed out of the EVA program join up to pilot a Jaeger
>>31742014Well the movie shows that two people who have never met can prove to be perfect drift partners. So the best bet would be getting large numbers of people together for a basic training type of program, which is mainly just to try and find working drift pairs. They would probably let anyone in for that, and move any working pairs on to the real training
>>31742063Its the psychological and physical screening that poses a problem. Rangers have the raw potential to be Olympians, but EVA pilots never seemed very physical Unless it was with Shinji's dadHEYO!And psychologically EVA pilots bring a metric fuck ton of baggage into the drift. Mako's PTSD was enough to over ride the drift, the degree of damage done to an EVA pilot is far worse. But if they could find a candidate either equally damaged (perhaps another former EVA pilot) or someone who can act as a calming influence it could work
>>31740846Personally, I'd probably ignore a lot of Eva canon for such a game, the age limit included.
>>31737456>>31741166>>31741291What if the biological nature of the Evas wasn't widely known? Evas only require one pilot, can soak up tons of damage, have that whole AT field thing, and are quick to put back into action once damaged, but the pilots tend to be batshit fucking looney teenagers, and NERV's typical response to people wanting more information on the Evas is a suggestion for them to go fuck themselves. The Jaeger creators, meanwhile, are pretty content (and correct) to say, "we built a giant punchy robot.">>31742376The typical ages of the Eva and Jaeger pilots could be another good point of tension, though.
>>31737036>Only managed to kill 2 Kaiju before it got rekt>Got put out of commission for a year by Onibaba, a fucking Category II>Needed Striker Eureka to help it get its 2nd killNah, it's a shit.
>>31742466It killed 6
>>31742466It's Cherno that killed 6 Kaiju. Coyote Tango only killed Onibaba and Ceramander.
>NECA recently confirmed they're making figures of Romeo Blue, Tacit Ronin and Horizon BraveFuck yes, can't wait to get my hands on the sexiest Jaeger.
>>31742437The EVA projects attitude to operational security is....weird to say the least. They freely plaster the pictures of their famous pilots on any old shit that pays for the rights, but actual interviews with pilots are few and far between and always heavily micro managed.The general insanity of EVA crew is downplayed as the nerves of youth, but its an open secret that EVA pilots aren't quite right
>>31742547Shit, meant to reply to >>31742521
>>31742612So Eva Pilots are less the rock stars that the Jaeger Rangers are. They'e known of, but you don't see them on TV the way Jaeger pilots are.I like the idea of Evas being introverted and Jaegers extroverted. Honestly I wonder why no-one has put Evas and Jaegers together before this, the comparisons are amazing and rich for writing fluff/stories/artwork.
>>31742679I know of at least one story from a few weeks after Pacific Rim hit theaters of a group running Evas and Jaegers together, so it has happened.
Would a Pacific Rim/Eva crossover incopropate the size differences between an Eva Unit and a Jaeger? Because if I recall correctly, Jaegers are on average twice as tall as Evas.
>>31742745I thought they were roughly the same size, except Evas are slimmer then Jaegers.
>>31742745There's no real consistent size for EVAs
>>31736311>Also Romeo Blue is best JaegerI agree on the stipulation that it is the two legged version in the film and not the three legged version in the concept art.
>>31742745I'd say make them the same size, after all EVA's never had a consistent size to begin withThe difference is stance and width. EVA's are all lanky, matching the gangly nature of their pilots. If they stood up straight they might be a bit taller then most JaegersIn comparison Jaegers have a sense of fighters charm to them, be it the cool confidence of Striker to the cowboy swagger of Gipsy Danger
>>31742767>>31742770I just did a quick search, and the generally agreed height for Eva Unit-01 is 40m, thought it varied in the show. The shortest known Jaeger is Horizon Brave at 72.5m, and the tallest is Cherno Alpha at 85m.
I could imagine the kids of that generation taking sides on whose better and which side they would enroll in.>Me and my best friend Tommy are gonna be Rangers and fight the Kaiju when we grow up!Ya, well my dad works for NERV and he promised me I could pilot an EVA when I turn 12! I'm gonna be fighting the Kaiju first>Nuh uh!Ya huh!
I've spent a while planning this. Something I'm gonna do when my game design skills improve.I think the ideal game (while not TECHNICALLY a pacific rimjob game) would essentially be based around Xcom.Worldwide bases where you can develop and construct jaegers and deploy them when kaiju appear. Resource management can be a thing as you juggle staff, construction, repairs, detection, RnD, additional base building etc.In the version I've planned which will be loosely based around PR and just as much around kaiju in general, you'll start with real weapons - infantry and tanks and stuff - in taking down small kaiju. After a while larger ones will come, and of course by then you'll be working on superior weaponry to deal, mostly giving tanks railguns and stuff like that. Then you develop giant robots.I'd also say it needs a Dwarf Fortress style damage system based on limbs, organs and stuff. Fits neatly in with a randomly generated kaiju and makes the melee combat feel messy and dirty. Turnbased cos making that shit realtime is impossible.
>>31737456It's scary how well that works.
>>31742905oh wait this is /tg/ not /v/same idea could apply I guess
>>31742905>>31742921I would buy it
>>31742866I always liked how they showed Kaiju and Jaegers influencing popular culture in Pacific Rim. I love the idea that here with two different sets of mecha you'd get a whole nother boardgame, and fights and debates on the internet and IRL over what is better, Eva or Jaegers.
>>31742866>Eva vs. Jaeger action figure fights>Guys on /k/ having vs. threads about various combinations of Evas, Jaegers, and Kaiju
>>31742861TV series, EVAs are 70 meters tall. In Rebuild they're 40.
>>31742971In the TV series the Evas never had a consistent height, it varied between 40 and 200 meters
>>31742953>>31742970Pop. culture mind.
>>31742593>tfw we'll never get Onibaba/Otachi/Slattern figures because NECA are too busy rehashing the Knifehead torso as much as possible>The only Kaiju they've released without the Knifehead torso is Leatherback>Meanwhile we've had 2 different Knifeheads, Trespasser, Scunner and "Axehead" (A piece of Trespasser concept art, not Mutavore or Hardship), all with the same torso
>>31742989To be fair the actual movie rehashed the Knifehead torso as well, and there's an actual in universe explanation for it>>31742953So, which countries would have EVA's?My vote is Japan and America. The Japanese create them, and after Trespasser needed three nukes to stop the Americans really don't give a shit what it takes to stop a Kaiju threat fast
>>31743046Germany also makes EVAs, and I can imagine America has the resources to make both EVA and Jaegers.Jaegers are principally Russia, China, Australia/New Zealand and Mexico.
>>31743046I'm more annoyed with the fact that they're not putting effort into making the cooler, more unique Kaiju because they can get away with adding different heads to the Knifehead torso.
>>31743046America would have tried both EVAs and Jaegers, eventually deciding on Jaegers after the American NERV base had an accident
>>31743080Why would Germany make Evas? Only countries with a Pacific coastline needed to build Jaegers. Unless there are Kaiju coming from the Atlantic now, they'll be fine.
>>31743131Germany made Evas in NGE, And they do mention that some work is done elsewhere (Britain is nowhere near the Pacific, but they provided Jaeger Pilots.)
>>31743046I can imagine the American military being more Jaeger friendly, considering that most of the Rangers have to go through some sort of training and that they are actually over 18.
>>31743131Could be a potential plot point. Maybe there are breaches in both the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, and Atlantic countries favour EVAs as opposed to Jaegers.
>>31743080Germany builds both, or maybe provides the components to maintain EVA's. After all they have to build the Jaegers so they name themThe rest of that sounds great. South America is majority Jaeger, with a pair of early prototype EVA's on fast response duty
>>31741737>To drift, Jaeger pilots have to be on the level of twins who complete each others sentences even before they start training.Not really. I believe they just need to be able to work together pretty well. Them thinking really closely afterwards is just a side-effect of the drift. Twins and relatives just tend to be more likely to drift well since they've very familiar with each other.-The 21yo/17yo Kaidonovsky husband/wife team was known for having the longest continual drift.-The first two person drift was between a soldier and a scientist who barely knew each other and went on to be the first Jaeger deployed against a Kaiju.-The protagonist duo of the movie, Raleigh and Mako manage to take out two Kaiju after one (failed) drift-Pentecost seems to have drifted with multiple people, none of them relatives: his daughter's wingmate as well as both Hercules and Chuck Hansen.The big problem is that you don't just need people who are drift-compatible but also are capable of fighting a giant monster is a huge mech.
>>31743161Sending potential rangers to be trained in Pacific countries is a lot cheaper than building a 250 foot mech that you don't really need.
>>31743131They may be fine, but the whole world needs to pitch in to contain the Kaiju. Why not have construction work done in a safe place far from the Breach?
>>31737657I do not remember this scene from the movie
>>31743167Thing we have our Second Impact thereAnd I'd say France would go Jaeger, as would Germany. Heavy engineering and advanced reactors fit their industrial base. Hell the Jaegers in PR are powered by French fusion designs
>>31743201It was in the introduction, Romeo Blue punching a Kaiju with a bridge.
>>31743201It was in the prologue, except entirely in night-vision. That GIF is from a behind-the-scenes video.
>>31743218Germany are more in favour of high technology, which the Eva represent. Have you heard of some of the biotech research done in Germany?
>>31743218I can see Russia, China, Japan and the USA favouring Evas, with Europe and Australia favouring Jaegers.
>>31743131If the Kaiju defeat the Pacific nations, they won't stop there. The whole world is contributing to the fight. I mean, given that the Angels seem to only attack Tokyo, it's rather like asking why any nation besides Japan builds EVAs. The answer is that the whole world is at stake. Well, also other nations don't want to be left behind when it comes to weapons parity.
>>31743256Russia would prefer Jaegers. Jaegers just feel better for a Russian then an Eva. Japan would definitely prefer the Eva, no question about that.
>>31743256Given how big robotics is in Japan, if anything they should favour Jaegers. But that conflicts with the whole EVA cross-over anyway.
>>31743251True, I'm just thinking the weighting might be more in favour of Jaegers. Mostly the French and the English. Between reactor designs, the focus on Ranger training and the possibility of manufacturing jobs Jaegers win out. At least for the majority of the defence
>>31743256Russia would be all over the Jaegers. I mean, heavy armour plating over pneumatic servos capped off with a nuclear reactor? Its the perfect combo for their industrial base
>>31743311Oh yeah, definitely weighted towards Jaegers. Most people are gonna want trained soldiers piloting their world saving giant death machines, rather than teenagers. It's just a matter of, who is it that believes the brutal effectiveness of the Evas is worth it?
>>31743292>>31743293Kind of based the countries that would use EVAs on countries that have a history of unethical military experimentation and disregard for personnel safety.
>>31743311England and France would go Jaeger, while Germany would go with the EVAs. In part it's the competition between the countries, with some choosing Jaegers and others EVAs. Though the world is united against the Kaiju, there's still rivalry, now focused on the rivalry between EVAs and Jaegers.
AdEva is shit, try using Remnants at higher XP values or Mekton Zeta.
>>31743354Well, both Japan and Germany used teenaged soldiers at one point, both had self-sacrifice as a big part of their culture and both were utterly devoted to total victory.
>>31743413Nazi Germany would totally go for Evas, but modern Germany would go Jaeger. And I based Japan likely using Evas on their history with Unit 731, their collectivist culture and how insanely willing they were to self-sacrifice in WW2.
>>31743454Under pressure, I can see German culture bringing former ideals the Nazis co-opted back to the fore. Th Nazis built on Imperial Germany and the culture before that, the culture still remains today, though buried.
>>31743413See, thats a great idea. Gives us a shape for the EVA propaganda, casting the young pilots as the defenders of the nation in the mould of ancient heroesAnd a potential for psychological damage for the pilots themselves, as they start buying into the propaganda and act like samurai or teutonic knights
>>31743454I see Germany as making both EVAs ad Jaegers, using their industrial potential to make both for other countries. Maybe they provide more EVA pilots then Jaeger Pilots, but Germany is a centre for producing both, wheras less developed countires produce either EVA or Jaegers. Only Germany and the US make both EVA and Jaegers.
>>31743485I can Germany going Jager, but not for that reasonGerman military strategy post WW2 was focused on the idea that they were fucked even before they started, so it was best to move fast and strike hard while they still could. The EVA's perfectly embody that philosophy. The propaganda for the EVA project would focus on willing sacrifice on behalf of Europe
>>31743350Of course that becomes a lot less important if mass production Evas are in the pipeline. People will argue about the morality of producing lobotomized clones to pilot them, but the fact remains that anyone who goes into the breach is not coming back out.
>>31743525>EVA unit stylized to look like a teutonic knight, with weapons systems named for Continental Germanic mythsSHUT UP AND TAKE MY HIDDEN NAZI GOLD!
>>31743573I don't think EVA's could really reach true mass production, they're still biological under it all with all the issues that entails. They're the elite but less prevalent part of the fightStill, the idea of dropping EVA's into the Breach hadn't occurred to me. If they're grown from Kaiju flesh, could they attack? Or is the signal too scrambled?
>>31743615Maybe Evas are specialised for offensive missions into the Breach, and Jaegers are strictly for defense purposes? Helps with the Eva-using countries supposedly being ones that used to have a high emphasis on self-sacrifice in the name of your country, given that entering the Breach is a likely death sentence.
>>31743129I like this, it helps bring out the shadier side of NERV>US gives both the Jaeger Corps. and NERV permission to build bases so both programs can be trialed>NERV uses their American base as an R&D center>While working on a new power source whole base goes boom along with everything in a 100 mile radius>NERV kicked out of the country and the US sells its remaining EVA to Japan
So I made this map. What should be changed/modified?
>>31743671I say we make China an EVA operator, it fits them better
>>31743637I think attacking the Breach properly is too endgame for regular missions. They tried, but got destroyed on the other side, the DNA wasn't pure enoughBut EVA's make a great fast response force, throwing themselves in front of Kaiju as they dive out of the Breach
>>31743671Put Russia and China as EVA. Russian soldiers are batshit insane enough to use EVAs, and China's casual disregard for human wellbeing means they'll have few qualms with the ethical dilemmas of using EVAs.
>>31743671I can see Canada going Jaeger and some South American Country going EVA
>>31743690I was thinking it would be better if China went Jaeger to fit their growing industryPlus I had this idea that the Chinese rejected EVA proposals after the Japanese accidentally let slip they built the demo model from the dead of the first Kaiju attack on Tokyo. Even Beijing as its limits, and scavenging the corpses of the fallen just to build a weapon is too far
>>31743714But then we have no Cherno, which is unacceptable
>>31743720I can't see South America affording mechs in general, but apparently Mexico, Panama, Chile and Peru had a Jaeger each in Pacific Rim canon.
>>31743525"Fucking Eva propaganda, man. Have you seen those commercials? Here's a good one: it opens with Trespasser coming up out of the sea, right? And it goes up into San Fran and stomps around, knocks over some buildings; there's civvies running everywhere on the ground. Then this fucking Eva runs up, and this Eva is full samurai, you get me? All bright colors, the head looks like one of those old samurai helmets, and it even has a fucking katana. This Eva runs up to Trespasser and runs him through with that sword, and he falls over and dies. All the civvies come up out of the shelters and start cheering and throwing confetti that they pulled out of somewhere, and the scene cuts to the cockpit, to this Jap kid trying to look all noble and shit. Looks constipated instead, if you ask me. And through the whole thing, there's this narrator going on about self-sacrifice and heroism and whateverthefuck. Jesus, no wonder these kids have their heads up their assholes.">>31743573Or if Evas came first. Maybe Evas just got finished before Jaegers, and that's why they're used?
>>31743734Then have Russia as both? They mostly rely on Jaegers, but have a few EVA.
>>31743671>>31743690>implying China could build a working EVAThey can't even domestically produce a good jet engine, and that's 70 year old tech. Chinese military industry works thus:1: Buy/rip off something from Russia2: Slap it in a tacticool looking shell3: Hype it up like crazy while never actually letting anyone SEE it do the shit you claim it can
>>31743714Sir, Jaegers scream Russian. Giant Nuclear Powered robots that punch things to death with metal fists? If that doesn't sound more Russian then lanky Biomechs then I don't know what is.
>>31743763And all modern China does is copy Russian and US tech, so they'd be Jaegers too.
>>31743731>>31743714>>31743690I think that with China's deep seated rivalry/hatred of Japan they would go Jaeger just to spite them.
>>31743745I like the idea that the Evas were rushed out to oppose the first Kaiju, and Jaegers came shortly afterwards.
>>31743759They had three Jaegers in Pacific Rim. One was part of the original production roll, and another was one of the most advanced behind Striker Eureka. A potential idea is them using shitty outdated EVA tech from USA/Japan and having high mortality rates as a reuslt.
>>31743784This.Also Korea should have Evas provided by Japan.
>>31743755Well they did have Unit 05 in Rebuild, a half grown EVA where they replaced all the missing parts with robotics. Wait, we have a Jaeger/EVA hybrid here.
>>31743671I think china would go both given their drive to be a superpower. they have the manpower and the government can do whatever they want with money. plus its not like they'd like the US and Japan do militaristic things they're not doing themselves.
>>31743714See, I think its better if the Russians are Jaeger. Fits their tech, their character and their aesthetic. Plus, its better if their Jaegers are self sacrificing. Everyone knows EVA's are a death sentence one way or the other, but its more noble to willingly step into a Jaeger that doesn't have an escape pod. The Russians win, or they die, and they'll do it together, willingly
>>31743788Wouldn't it be more realistic for us to build the pure mechs first before trying to create an advanced fusion of Kaiju and Jaeger that only needed one pilot?
>>31743827Jesus christ that thing looks retarded
>>31743845>realisticYeah, probably. Maybe there was some issue with getting Jaegers into production? It was tough to make something that big and complex hold together long enough to fight, or something. Evas got rolled out first because they more or less copied something that was already that big and complex, that could already fight.
>>31743845EVAs aren't really robotic at all, they are cloned Angels encased in armor and computer systems which help limit and control them. So just replace Angel with cloned Kaiju for our purposes.
>>31743788Nah, other way around. Jaegers are easier to build, with EVA's you need at least a few Kaiju corpses to dissect and learn from first.Luckily, I know a guy
>>31743832>the Russians see that their current tanks are unable to stop a kaiju>"Ivan, we need bigger tank"
>>31743845Seele and Nerv were probably working on Evas from the moment the first Kaiju was downed.Seele probably think the Kaiju are Angels or something, and the Kaiju creators are the original lifeforms or some shit.
>>31743894>Ryoji Kaji meets Hannibal Chau>universe implodes from having that much cool in one room
>>31743894Where is my goddamned shoe?
All this talk of China using EVAs makes me wonder what a semi-organic Crimson Typhoon would look like. It already looks freaky enough with three uneven arms, on eye and digitigrade legs. And how would those Hand saws work if they were organic?
>>31743671Taiwan, Korea, and maybe some Southeast Asian nation should also operate EVAs. So Japan isn't alone.Also, America's Eva should be destroyed.
>>31743987>North Korea somehow manages to build EVAs>South Korea build Jaegers>Rivalry intensifies
>>31743962China's first attempt at growing an EVA was very deformed, having only one fully formed arm. The deformed one was replaced with two robotic ones.
>>31743671Add another colour for countries that are either landlocked and therefore rely on coastal countries for defense, or countries that cannot afford Jaegers or EVAs. Having the entirety of Africa except South Africa be undefended would help add to the image of a crapsack world.
Slightly updated version. This map is a bitch to use though.
>>31744033You know what would work, if only one army really worked, and that become Crimson's 'club arm' on the left.
>>31744033I like it. Adds to the idea of the Chinese using shitty outdated tech bought from USA/Japan to build their EVAs.
>>31744070Can't we just leave those countries white?
What about AT Fields? AT Fields are what made the Eva a viable weapon against the Angels. Do they not exist here? Because AT Field would be a big incentive to use Evas.
>>31744108 Fair enough.
>>31744077Make Brazil an EVA operator. If we are having an Atlantic Breach they would likely operate something, and Japan really like Brazil for some reason
>>31744119AT Fields are the main reason Evas are more effective, but is also a reason for their rarity.
>>31744119I can't help but feel they'd be a bit overpowered in the Pacific Rim universe.
>>31744119Have them exist but are much weaker than in the source material
>>31744077Make China red and South Korea blue
>>31744135its because Brazil's in BRIC and they want more big friends
>>31744135Done. Also China operates both now.
>>31744119Its called an Absolute Terror field, I can't imagine its very good for either the operator or any civvies nearby. I don't they should have them anyway, if EVA's are grown from Kaiju now. But they could have more modular implants, stuff like Leatherbacks EMP>>31744135Brazil has the largest Japanese population outside of Japan. Not sure why that is though
>>31744189I think india should be involved in some way. they're the only worthwhile nation still left out and close enough to the pacificany thoughts on that?
>>31743256Considering how big the US is and how different states and regions are from each other, I say that the production of EVAs or Jaegers are dependent on the city or area they're from. EVAs are built and get their recruiting pool from cities with a strong presence of biotech, green technology, computer industries, etc. Jaegers are built and get their recruiting pool from cities with heavy industry, defense industry, and nearby military bases.For example, California alone would be split between an EVA built in the Bay Area and a Jaeger built in San Diego.
>>31744155So, take something like AdEva's take on the AT Fields and its breach rating system, and then power it down? So an AT Field is great, but even a big enough gun can pierce it.>>31744231I always thought it made more sense rendered as Absolute Territory.
>>31744243India is probably pretty damn safe right now, if the Breaches are atlantic and pacific. They'd probably go full arsenal of the world and provide gear for all projectsWhat about Africa though? My gut is to say Jaeger, buying up as many outdated models as possible
Thought: In the more radical EVA-utilizing nations, perhaps all children are tested for suitability as pilots at a young age, and "recruited" into a training program? Make the little bastards even freakier to Rangers, because they don't act like normal people should, especially not teenagers.
>>31744189I like the idea of China having started out with decent-quality Jaegers, then jumped at the chance to buy outdated EVA tech from Russia. They immediately switched to mass-producing EVAs in order to be seen as "cutting-edge". In reality, their EVAs mostly turned out deformed and required further cybernetic augmentation to function (Crimson Typhoon being a typical case). Additionally, Chinese EVAs have a high mortality rate, being just as likely to die due to sickness as they are to be destroyed by Kaiju.
>>31744298 The only country rich enough to afford Jaegers is South Africa, and they only bother killing Kaiju if they stray too close. The rest of Africa is fair game until a Kaiju strays too close to Europe/Asia.
>>31744278Yeah, I can see that about the field. I guess Absolute Terror works better for the depression metaphor though
>>31744189I made the map better, and added India as an EVA operator, and South Africa as a Jaeger operator
>>31744070I could see the countries that can't afford big robots trying to get by with a lot of small robots instead. You could avoid a lot of the upfront costs by networking thousands of smaller drones and having them pull the kaiju apart like a swarm of ants.
>>31744349Woops, forgot Canada
>>31744256And now I'm imagining a Jaeger built in Pittsburgh (the war effort having revitalized the city's heavy industry).It's name is "Terrible Towel".
>>31744302Well we know it takes family members being part of the EVA for it work, so quietly passing a law declaring all orphans from Kaiju attacks become wards of the state would make sense. If they show the right ability, chuck mummy and daddies bodies into the vat>>31744329Nah, its far to possible for them to hit something important like an oil derrick. Maybe a handful of German EVA's stretched dangerously thin down the West Coast?
>>31744381>>31744349Thank you anon, my map was horrible.
>>31744349Any reason in particular why India would use EVAs? Would they even be able to afford mechs? I can only really see them relying on China's shitty deformed EVAs for defense.
>>31744451They are stronger in biotech than they are in engineering
>>31744451Or have them reluctantly give up their independence to Britain again in return for a Jaeger or two for protection. This could cover the Africa problem - countries giving up their freedom to richer countries in exchange for protection from the Kaiju.
>>31744508Fuck no, who wants another place to protect when your being invaded at home?Africa would be protected by locally based second tier Jaegers backed with some early model EVA's, all paid for on a lead lease program
>>31744508I doubt that would be necessary. The Jaegers are under the PanPacific Defence Corps, and independent of any one nation's control, and Evas are similarly run by Nerv. Each organisation sanctions the deployments of their mecha.
>>31737632>>317376641990-2020 world of leviathan.Fund it gents
>>31744556I figured we were diverging from canon by having Jaegers/EVAs be property of their respective countries.>>31744551Because the idea is interesting. Imagine First-world countries turning nasty in hard times and taking advantage of third-world countries, loaning them Jaegers for defense in return for ridiculously unfair demands that the third world countries have no choice but to accept
>>31744615The Clankers and Fabricaters never died, just changed names
>China, Japan and Korea get mechs>Immediately start using them to fight over those shitty little islands they're always butthurt over
>>31744658>I figured we were diverging from canon by having Jaegers/EVAs be property of their respective countries.I thought they were built and crewed by their respective countries, but detached to the PanPac/Nerv for combat duties.
>>31742466>>31742521>>31742547 Coyote Tango killed 10 Kaiju, actually setting a record. The pilot was bragging about it in a news spot near the beginning of the movie.
>>31744706That was Striker Eureka. Coyote Tango was the one with mortar cannons on its back that was piloted by Idris Elba and killed the giant enemy crab Kaiju in Mako's memories.
Assuming biotech is at the point where humanity can produce its own kaiju, who's to say they would need pilots at all?
>>31744734Because they are lobotomized Kaiju, with the pilots acting as the brains
>tfw when to high school in a small southern town with the screenwriter from Pacific RimTravis was a weirdo
>>31744732 And... I'm retarded. I just assigned the coolest name to the coolest Jaeger.
>>31743905When NERV first began to experiment on the corpses of Kaiju, with the aim of bio-engineering a weapon for humanity to use back against the beasts, it was perhaps inevitable that the existence of the Precursors, the creators of the Kaiju, would be uncovered. A mind-drift into the partial remains of a Kaiju brain in 2014, during early experiments with Kaiju-Human synchronization, revealed the existence of a highly advanced alien race intent upon colonizing Earth. Though only the highest ranks of NERV were aware of this secret, and the information was not made public, there was one other agency who learned the truth of the Kaiju's origins: Seele. Given that they were the backers of NERV, this was not surprising, though senior NERV officials never shared the information directly with Seele. As controllers of the United Nations, Seele was already in a position to determine much of how humanity would respond to a hyper-advanced trans-dimension alien threat. Seele's response was to push vast amounts of funding into the EVA project, with he stated goal of producing the ultimate weapon to fight the Kaiju. In fact, Seele's agenda was far greater. In the words of one of their primary documents, the goal of the EVA project was "to pluck the forbidden fruit of knowledge from the Garden of Edan". Much of Seele's documentation would contain cryptic references such as this, possibly for secrecy, possibly for quasi-religious reasons.
>>31744754Couldn't they use the brain that's already there?The kaiju will take some time to grow from embryo to adult, they're capable of learning and they can be interfaced to a computer. Put it all together and you have a least a year to run it through training simulations while its body matures.
>>31744846In fact, Seele's agenda was far greater. In the words of one of their primary documents, the goal of the EVA project was "to pluck the forbidden fruit of knowledge from the Garden of Edan". Much of Seele's documentation would contain cryptic references such as this, possibly for secrecy, possibly for quasi-religious reasons. The meaning behind such words was this. Seele wanted to gain the knowledge and technology of the Precursors, and with it, transform humanity into a higher state of being. For that, they needed EVA. Only a Kaiju could pass through the breach in the Pacific and “reach the Promised Land”. EVA, it was believed, was “the camel that could pass through the eye of the needle”. EVA would be the bridge to connect humanity and the Precursors. Seele planned to link themselves into the gestalt hive-mind of the Precursors via cloned Kaiju: the EVAs. In 2019, the first stage of their plan was complete; EVA Unit 0, in total secrecy, passed through the Pacific breach and captured a Precursor. The Unit was recovered five days later in the south Pacific. The pilot was virtually catatonic. Seele named their captive Adam. He was imprisoned in the lowest depths of Terminal Dogma beneath NERV headquarters in Tokyo. The next stage of Seele’s plan could now begin. It would be called the Human Instrumentality Project.
>>31744846Not even Seele could stop the Jaeger Program, though they ensured more resources were funneled to the Eva Program then to the Jaegers. The PanPac Defence Corps were not under Seele's control the way Nerv was, and Seele had to spent much time and resources to keep the secrets of the Kaiju out of the PanPac's hands. In part this was the resson why a rivalry broke out between the Evas and the Jaegers, even though both were working towards the same end, defeating the Kaiju and saving humanity.
>>31744861Because the entire point is you put a human in control and keep the risk of the Kaiju reverting to its base instincts to a minimum. Even when you scoop out as much of the brain as possible, it can still go berserk
>>31743755A few really mysteriously aquired EVAs that NERV is really pissed about
>>31744298>>31744329Nigeria has the largest economy in Africa right now. If South Africa could afford a Jaeger, they would be able to also. Egypt doesn't have the economy to build their own Jaeger or EVA, but like the rest of their military equipment they could always get an outdated model from the US on the condition that they still obey their peace treaty with Israel and otherwise be a good, pro-American military junta. France may also make a cheap, easy to maintain Jaeger to give to Mali in exchange for building up their presence in Africa. China wouldn't be retarded enough to give any of their tech to Zimbabwe (well maybe a hideously deformed EVA reject) but they may just lease out one to another nation they're trying to buddy up with for unrestricted access to their natural resources. Basically, if the great powers are able to build a decent amount of EVAs and Jaeger, they use their outdated and/or obsolete ones as bargaining chips to expand their influence in the Third World. Sure, everyone's united in defeating the Kaijus, but what about afterwards?
>>31744951'The Russians can get anything'Stacker Pentercost, Commander of the PanPac Defence Corps, when asked about how the Russians obtained several EVA units.
>>31736311Tenra Bansho Zero. You'll likely be using the annelid rules for monsters, but the rest of it is decent for customising Jaegers.
>>31744011Norht should go Jaegar, and it should fall over on its first trial run
>>31745007Like that scene from Iron Man II?
>>31744935Kind of undermines that argument when the human in question is inevitably an emotionally damaged teenager.
>>31744381White out new zealand.
>>31745055New Zealand would operate alongside Australia, sharing pilots and materials.
>>31745007>>31745018"As far as we can tell, it's constructed entirely out of 1960s military hardware. We're still not sure how it stands up"
>>31744381South Korea should be Red, North Korea should be either white or be reunified with South Korea. I'd suggest the latter.
>>31745210>>31745220North Korea are easily apeshit enough to use EVAs, and South Korea would like use Jaegers to spite them on principle.
>>31745264That's illogical and you know it. The North Koreans don't have the money for EVAs or Jaegars.Yeah, they'd have a joke model, but I doubt a country that can barely afford to feed its own people can clone a giant space angel.
>>31745309Seele could easily pull a few strings to ensure North Korea gets an Eva.
>>31745309They'd probably buy EVAs from China that were so deformed not even China wanted them. Or China would just dump them on North Korea to save the hassle of destroying them.
>>31745309>Implying Kim Jong Un would care about feeding his own people if it meant he could have a cool-ass giant war machine
>>31744961>but what about afterwards?Bunker busters. At least there's a reason not to use high explosives on Kaiju, don't want their nasty ass blood fucking up the environment.
>>31745329If you're trying to make a joke, it's not a very good one.A North Korean "Jaegar" is more plausible than any attempt at an EVA. That's my point. South Korea should have the EVA.>>31745336This is actually plausible.>>31745357It's not a matter of caring, it's a matter of capacity.
>>31745309I think /m/ made up some fluff about PanPac Defence Corps giving North Korea an old Jaeger after they bitched and moaned about needing it enough. I think it was called "Boxcar ______" and basically never lasted a single battle against the Kaiju.Alternately, while North Korea doesn't have the money or industrial base or tech level to make their own EVAs or Jaegers, they have people and love a good brainwashing. Maybe they could be supplying China with EVA pilots (dead parent parts included).
>>31745490That makes more sense. North Korean Pilots of Chinese EVAs. And the NKs paint little NK Flags on their borrowed Evas and pretend they made them themselves.
I see it as North Korea bitching at China and being all like "we thought you were our ally" until China finally gave in and gave them an Eva. North Korea supplied the pilot for it through unknown and probably unpleasant means.
>>31745490>An old Mk. II, Boxcar Tyrant is the North Korean Jaeger. In the early days of the Kaiju war North Korea was shielded from the worst of the attacks, as kaiju tended to reach Japan or South Korea first, and as such it refused to join the PPDC, declaring the kaiju heaven's punishment for the oppressive west and their allies. That was, until June 14th, 2018, when the kaiju Busisdol slipped into the Yellow Sea and bypassed South Korea entirely.>Busisdol was an unusually tough Category 2 kaiju, who quickly leveled the port city of Haeju before beginning a march deep inland. Despite this, Pyongyang refused PPDC aid. Military bombardment against the kaiju was almost entirely ineffective, and through a combination of antiquated hardware and strategic mismanagement, the monster was able to inflict significant losses on the North Korean forces. In a panic, the government deployed a significant fraction of their nuclear arsenal against Busisdol, estimated at 6-8 warheads. How many of the warheads successfully impacted is still a matter of some conjecture.>In the aftermath, Pyongyang petitioned to join the PPDC, and demanded its own Shatterdome. The PPDC was wary of giving the North Koreans control of their own Jaeger, and negotiations dragged on for months. Ultimately, a compromise was reached where North Korea would provide partial financial support, along with candidates for Ranger training, while the Jaeger would be stationed just across the border in China.>The Jaeger was assembled quickly from spare and salvaged Mark II parts. It's unknown who was responsible for the codename "Boxcar Tyrant," and the designation was poorly received by the North Korean government. After the PPDC made it clear this was the only Jaeger they were going to get, Pyongyang grudgingly accepted it. To date, state-run TV in North Korea insist the Jaeger is named "Glorious Emperor.">Rangers Cho Nam-ch'eol and Na Chong-hun largely keep to themselves.
>>31741587This could also go well with the idea that most of the world doesn't know that EVAs are a biological mech. The Ranger could find out after following the RABIT and find a memory of his partner synching with the EVA.
>>31746047It would probably be common knowledge among Rangers, as they would probably see EVAs get fucked up by Kaiju in combat
>>31741587>>31746047A father and son team. The father was a Ranger but lost his co-pilot, his wife, in combat. The son was taken in by NERV and the father became emotionally distant and drank his problems away. The PPDC reenlist the father after his son decides to become a Ranger once he can no longer pilot an EVA. The two use the drift to reconnect with not only themselves, but the mother and wife that they lost.
>>31743046>>31743129>>31743162American military-industrial-political bureaucracy is a multi-headed hydra. Perhaps the regular military backs the Jaeger program, but other interests like the CIA prefer the EVA program.
>>31746195Jaegar "Delta Dream" LaunchingWe need a writefag Stat.
>>31746247This has to be the American Eva.
>>31746195That's just mecha enough to work
>>31746301>this is our Jaeger, Liberty Eagle Freedom Scream>they're only supposed to have a two word code name>fuck you! we're America
>>31746275>>31746195Someone really should do a quest for this
>>31746525If they had an actually "Endgame"If the "Endgame" Meant Ending the Quest for Good.Then Yes. Maybe.
>>31746525Like, the first Shatterdone to host an EVA and a Jaegar? Have to deal with Kaiju, Angels, MP EVAs, and lord knows what else?Sign me up.
>>31746681Angles are replaced by Kaiju here
If Evangelion is a bit too too dark, another option is Macross.>"Over the last five years the war, well I hesitate to even call it a war now. They keep sending kaiju, and the kaiju keep defecting. They can match our weapons, but they have no defense against our memes."
>>31746698There was no mention of whether there are no Angels. I like to think there's all of those things. Kaiju, Angels, MP EVAs and more. It's a world in the brink, where even despite Nerv and the PanPac corps nations are eyeing up what would happen after the war and making plans to use EVAs and Jaegers after the war is done.
>>31746195>>31746681>That inevitable where the father finds out what NERV is doing and goes on an ass kicking rampage
>>31746698Yes, good goyim. Keep believing that.
>>31746681>Like, the first Shatterdone to host an EVA and a JaegarYeah, something like that. There is an escalation in Kaiju attacks like right before the movie, which catches NERV and PPDC of guard, resulting in many EVAs and Jaegers lost. NERV and PPDC start a trial program operating together
>>31746734>>31746755Its been mentioned several times the EVAs in this universe would be derived from experimentation done on Kaiju remains.
>>31746775To their collective chagrin.I can only imagine how the pilots and rangers will interact.
I can see the EU becoming a federal union with the threat of kaiju being used to create a super state. It hard for independence movements to be successful when you have kaiju knocking. Also loads of money and expertise as well as infrastructure for massive construction projects like Jaegers. It could be the world factory of Jaegers if definitely has the capability.
>>31746844The pilots are all teenagers, the Rangers in their 20s-30s. I imagine the Rangers see all the EVA pilots as immature teenagers who have no idea what they're facing, while the EVA pilots see the Rangers as Adults, with all the negative connotations that implies when regarding teenagers views of adults.
>>31746916But both sides are pretty fragile. A Ranger team loses one pilot and the remaining one is a ball of PTSD.
>>31746710Is there a series of those pictures, or...
>>31746844What if NERV went full-retard and created a Jaeger/EVA hybrid, putting two neurotic nutbag teenagers in the drift because reasons.
>>31747007>what ifThey did it in Rebuild 4.
>>31746753>Father-Son Team Fight two Lvl. 4 Kaiju>Alone>Succeed in Killing one, sustain critical damage.>Son hit by shrapnel/debris. Near Death.>In an instant, reveals everything he knows about NERV, Its substantial>Son Dies, Dad berserks>Shatterzone Looses Contact of Delta Dream And 2nd Kaiju >Two Days Later>Badly Damaged Jaegur Appears of a coastal NERV R&D Base.>Single Transmission before Base is Destroyed.>"GIVE ME BACK MY SON!" .
>>31747107>Gendo and Shinji as a Ranger team
>>31747058>>31747059I was actually mostly thinking of the implications of the Drift control system for the profoundly unwell EVA pilots, not just EVA with after-market parts.
>>31747224So it'd end up being like "Dance Like You Want to Win?" Kickass.
>>31747148Really?You just had to do that. To put that image in my head.>MFW
>>31747268I can't see anything with Jaeger parts doing those sweet backflips that they do in that episode. Come to think of it, Evas would always have smoother moves. Give one of those things enough room and it can breakdance. DAYUM. Speaking of empty fields, do the Evas not need their umbilicals in this universe? Does the same technology that powers the Jaegers also give the Evas more than a five-minute battery life? It's an important question, because a big part of why Evas fight how they do in the series is because of the five-minute limit. Anytime they have their umbilicals attached, the usual plan is careful, controlled tactics. It's only when that timer lights up that they go crazy.
>>31747705I see that as a nother difference. EVA can only operate close to base, either connected up or on their 5 minute battery, while Jaegers can operate independently and freely for long periods.
>>31742593Where did they say this?
>>31747148>>31747520While a funny image, it would really be the reverse. Gendo knew everything about NERV- he helped build it. A lot of people don't seem to have noticed why the pilots in Evangelion are the way they are. There are two main criteria to become an EVA pilot: 1. They need to have been born after 2nd impact (this is why they are young, they would not lose this as they aged). 2. They need to be crazy. A sane human mind cannot interact with the consciousness of the EVA, its just too alien. Shinji's neglectful Uncle, Asuka's suicidal mother, and Rei's sterile tube farm, were all intentionally planned and scripted by their parents and NERV to mold them into misanthropic loners just barely sane enough to survive, but just crazy enough to interface with the EVA.
>>31747705>>31747862>this is why they are young, they would not lose this as they agedThey wouldn't lose the ability to pilot from age, but they would burn out long before they reach their teens.
>>31747938Leave their teens, rather
>>31747775Way back on their Twitter, they confirmed they're working on the prologue Mark 1 Jaegers.
>>31743131I think the major reason why Berlin was an Eva producer was because they had a MAGI super computer system. I would say that is a requirement to make EVA's.Tokyo had one, Massachusetts had one (Probably Boston), Beijin had one, and Berlin & Hamburg had one. I'm sure the second American base that blew up had one.Maybe that could present a point of unique tools required to make Jaegers or EVA's? It could influence who gets to make each?
>>31747972Oh cool. I swear they just outright said they'd never do that once but they came to their senses I guess. It's gonna be a while but I can't wait to caress that chest.
>>31736311If I wanted a crunchy game I'd use gurps, and here's why:>Making the mechs and kaijus are relatively simple. Gurps got the rules you need, and the mecha are in this case not very complicated to model, just make them as very large characters.>Gurps martial arts gives you all the crunch you need to properly brawl a kaiju. Since the a large portion of Pacific Rim is mecha hand-to-hand action you need a system with sufficient depth in this particular area of combat for the game to be interesting and not feel as a chore. Gurps got tons of options for unarmed combat.If you want a narrative system I guess I'd look at FATE? It's outside my area of expertise though, so you have to ask someone else how or why you'd use that.
We should really pastebin all of this for future threads.
>>31748492What? All the Eva/Jaeger fluff we've written?
>>31746195It's more dramatic if the son stays a EVA pilot and is obviously troubled.The father has to pick him self up, find a new drift partern (a magical negro tibetan monk) to GET BACK HIS SON.With this setup you'd have the dual scenarios of the looming doom and spiral of madness of the son and the father who's climbing back up while a magical negro Tibetan monk is spouting wisdom and shiet.
>>31748492>>31748563Well lets try and compile the lore we've built up so far>Pacific and Atlantic Breaches open in 2013>The PPDC with its Jaeger Program and NERV with its Evangelions arise around the same time as proposed solutions to the Kaiju Problem>Both programs are adopted by a number of countries, a kind of rivalry soon forms>Countries that operate Jaegers exclusively include Canada, Mexico, Peru, Chile, the UK, France, South Africa, ANZAC, and South Korea>EVA countries include Japan, Germany, Taiwan, the Philippines, India, Egypt, and Brazil>The United States, Russia, and China operate both Jaegers and EVAs to some extent>America originally planned to support both programs evenly, but cut all relations with NERV off after a disaster involving one of their bases. Afterwards they delivered their remaining EVA to Egypt in exchange for continued support from their government>Russia somehow managed to acquire three EVAs from under NERVs nose, but mainly operates domestically built Jaegers.>China's EVA program is heavily flawed, based on stolen data from Russia and the US. Often producing deformed units, they make use of hybrid Jaeger technology to make up for the deficiency. Terribly deformed Units are sometimes sent to North Korea.Approaching character limit
>>31748699Don't forget Seele's plans for the Human Instrumentality project.
>>31748699I think we agreed that China was formerly Jaegers-only, but switched to low-quality mass-produced EVAs once they got the data. Not sure if that still counts as purple, but whatever.
>>31748699>No South Sudan>Doesn't even have Hainan as part of China>Puerto Rico not part of the USA>Vancouver Island not part of CanadaGive the Saudis or Dubai a Jaeger, as if those rich ass Arabs wouldn't have a few just for show.
>>31748699I still say South Korea should be red.
>>31748900Why would South Korea use EVAs?
>>31748926Right next door to Japan. They'd either be given the means in an alliance of convenience or steal it.
>>31748789Yeah, that stuff was pretty good.>>31744873>>31744907>>31748818They probably would have started out Jaeger-only, yeah. They are purple because they have the capacity to field both. Like if the US wanted to they could start up their EVA program again, but they want nothing more to do with NERV after the Unit-04 incident>>31748865Fixed up a few flaws in the map, but don't see why they would bother. Far enough away from the Pacific Breach that it is a non-issue, and have four mech equipped countries between them and the Atlantic one>>31748900They had a Jaeger in PR universe
>>31748865They can certainly afford one, but would they be willing to have it deployed under the PPDC somewhere else?
>>31748574>Nepal: Turned into a massive training ground for Jaeger Pilots>Local Monks Bless New pilots/Jaegars>Why No Tibetain Jaegar?
>>31748959They're both Asian countries, they hate eachother. South Korea's more likely to collaborate with USA for Jaegers.
>>31748977Because they can't afford one? They help out as they can.It's funny, the PPDC has a lot more support for their program then NERV has for theirs, and yet NERV has all the money and resources they want.
>>31748971I think South Korea should be blue, but Japan's red and it had 3 Jaegers.
>>31749017Japan has to be EVA central though
>>31749017NERV sabotaged Japan's jaegars as per Jet Alone.Or they got sent somewhere else.
>>31749051>NERV sabotaged Japan's jaegars as per Jet Alone.I like this. They wanted Japan to only use EVAs, to counterbalance that other countries were running both Eva and Jaegers.
>>31749069Similar OPs should be run by PPDC, maybe though on a more open front.
>>31749069I think most countries do or at least should only use one type of giant robot. To create animosity between Jaegar and EVA pilots and give them working together a "never been done before" feel.Purple countries on the map may have used a different type of mech in the past, but currently only use one. Like the USA, which only uses Jaegars despite some experiments with EVAs.That said, perhaps you could give Russia an exception on this. It's a fucking big country and is politically messed up. The Atlantic might use EVAs to defend Moscow while the Pacific is stuck with older Jaegars.
>>31749088The PPDC are an open book, whereas NERV are a closed book. A lot more is known about the PPDC and the Jaegers then is known about NERV and the EVAs. Some countires buy into NERV despite the secrets that shroud it, others prefer the PPDC that are open with their requirements and their requests.
>>31749051>NERV sabotaged Japan's jaegars as per Jet Alone.This is perfect. It probably went down with Jet Alone being deployed against its first Kaiju, the drift software having been sabotaged by a Seele agent. NERV conveniently rushes in with an EVA saving the day. In the aftermath Jet Alone is scrapped along with Japan's entire Jaeger program.
>>31746844I want these two characters to meet and just freak everyone else out when they sound the exactly the same when they speak Japanese and start finishing each others sentences.
>>31749153I want Asuka to knock out that damn Australian.
>>31749144Jet Alone is basically a remote-controlled Jaeger. I Imagine it might have been an experiment in and ROV Jaeger.
>>31749144Jaeger sold to other country? Perhaps Malaysia?Or perhaps mothballed, say on some island no one cares about?
>>31749190And then they hook up. They're made for each other, both arrogant, ego-driven jockeys of their respective types of Mecha. I can only imagine the hatesex they would have.
>>31749191The thing is, you can't remote control Jaegars. Just make Jet Alone a regular Jaegar and accept that NERV is asshole-ish enough to not only kill to Rangers, but to put an entire city at risk.It might explain why there is so much bad blood, too.
>>31749220Only if it's rumoured that it was a deliberate set-up in the ranks of the PPDC.
>>31749237Well, of course. Officially, it was a mechanical error.
>>31748971Have a somewhat nicer and larger map.
>>31749262You forgot Brazil
>>31749262Whoops, forgot Brazil and Hawaii.
>>31749194Set to be scrapped, and perhaps China gets its hands on the wreck to start its Jaeger program
>>31749194I doubt any Jaeger would be mothballed, there are simply too many nations that would want one at the right price for national security.
We've hit 404, and I see a lovely anon has archived us so we don't lose all our fluff. I suggest we up-vote it so it doesn't get purged when they clear out all the redundant quests.So where do we go from here? Another thread?
>>31749319Gotta fit Hannibal into this somehow. He probably sells EVA parts as well as Kaiju parts.
>>31749319Presumably the PPDC sends technical and technological support to help countries set up their Jaeger Programs, and NERV do similar.
>>31749330Another thread is probably a good idea
>>31749403Does someone have that pic of action figures of Gypsy Danger and Unit 01 fighting? I saw it on /m/, and it would make the perfect OP Image for a second thread.We also need to get /m/ involved, they would know a lot of shit that would be helpful.
Should the Kaiju change at all? Not technically Angels, but having some of their powers.Maybe the later Kaiju could have AT fields as well as being tough as nails, which necessitates the cooperation. EVA takes down the AT field, the Jaegar makes the killing blow.
>>31749443I think all kaiju should have some form of AT field, that's the only real reason that you can get away with requiring mecha at all.
>>31749443I like the idea of AT Field Kaiju, and maybe some Kaiju with special AT Field Weapons. Maybe the AT Field is something the creator aliens made or work with.
>>31749443AT fields here are going to be much weaker than the actual EVA ones. I would say give higher Category Kaiju AT fields, but otherwise keep them the same.
>>31749481Yeah, that's why nothing short of Nukes would kill them, and using Railguns and the like wouldn't work, along with the Kaiju Blue.
>>31749483>>31749499ThisAlso what should we call all this? Jaeger/Eva is a bit clunky. Jaegarvangellion?
>>31749531I think it was more about them working together, not making a combination.
>>31749549It is about them wrking together/rivalry, I was wanting a name for this general concept of both Eva and Jaegers working in the same universe, as a thread header and setting name.
>>31749549NERV and the PPDC would rarely work together, hence the whole rivalry thing. Someone suggested for a possible quest thread or something to have set after an event similar to just before PR, where a huge surge of Kaiju attacks leave the majority of Jaegers and EVAs destroyed. Forcing NERV and the PPDC to pool their resources and work from a single Shatterdome
>>31749622>>31749622Jaevas sounds good.
>>31749659Silent letters, or does it sound like Javas?
>>31749684It's pronounced Jay-vas.
>>31749701Alright then.Anything else? Otherwise a migration to a new thread may be needed. and possible archiving might be cool too
>>31749754Its already been archived on sup/tg/, people should go rate it positively
>>31749652They should NEVER work together up until the events of whatever story someone wants to write. They'd do things like sabotage, kill stealing, and maybe even attack each other.The public would be fed up with them that support is given to the Wall, which of course fails spectacularly.
>>31736311>Also Romeo Blue is best JaegerRomeo Blue is damn sexy. >we will never see what Mammoth Apostle looks like.
>>31749768I don't think it should be that extreme, and occasionally they would be forced into cooperating by circumstance. A Kaiju attacking the Dutch coast for instance, both a Jaeger and EVA team dispatched to intercept.The Wall would come into existence for the same reason it did in the movie universe, the escalation of the Kaiju threat outpacing the capacity to build new EVAs or Jaegers.
>>31749838Romeo Blue looks okay except for that fucking chest fin. It looks awkward as fuck, and how are the pilots supposed to see shit?
>>31749853I'm surprised anyone thought the wall would work, it just makes no sense.What's to stop them swimming all the way around to the Atlantic even if they somehow can't break through the walls?
>>31749911Not to mention the amount of resources required to build it would be orders of magnitude larger than what would be required to produce Jaegers.
>>31749873you know your nose is actually visible to you all times but your brain chooses to ignore it and pieces together what its blocking from your other eye and fills in the blanks.Romeo Blue does it like that.
>>31749873Camera's my good sir. And besides, I really don't think that Fore-Fin will be that much of a disturbance to their ocular senses.
>>31749926Not necessarily, it was mostly just a lot of concrete, rebar, and displaced unskilled labor from the leveled coastal cities. Jaegers required a whole lot more in high grade metals, computer hardware, specialist labor, and whatever the hell they were using to power the newer non-nuclear jaegers
>>31750026Fusion Reactors I believe, like a Tokamak or Laser reactor.
>>31750045That would still technically be nuclear
>>31749911Just having a wall doesn't make much sense. Back it up with something like a network of coastal railgun batteries and it starts to make a lot more sense.
>>31750097The wall segments we see do have giant cannons and missile batteries on them
>>31750057Clean Fusion doesn't produce radiation the way a Fission Reactor would.
>>31749853I agree with this. They may be rivals and have arguments and infighting, but it wouldn't be anything more then a war of words.
>>31750111And then what about the Island nations setting outside the wall? Or are they walled off as well?
>>31750210They'd be abandoned, like Tuvalu will be eventually.
>>31750210Probably would have been evacuated, if they hadn't been already.
So is someone making a new thread?
>>31750097It's already established that conventional weaponry doesn't work so why would a set of coastal railgun batteries.
>>31750111Mounting them directly on the wall is not a good idea because the wall's job is to absorb damage. You want the artillery mounted somewhere it can focus on being artillery.
>>31750268Given how slowly this thread is 404ing, I think we don't have too worry till this thread reaches page 8, and then we make a new one. We may get a good 400+ replies out of this thread then.I hope someone has found the EVA/Jaeger picture from /m/ for the new thread.
>>31750279Scale. If you can build a machine to punch the Kaiju at a hundred meters per second, you can build a machine to punch it at a thousand.
>>31750432Then why build the Jaegers at all?
>>31750472So you don't have to shoot through buildings. You can hit it when it's approaching a city and you can hit it when it's leaving a city, but when it's inside the city you need someone to get it out.
>>31750548But the Jaegers still destroy the city all the same.
>>31750566It's all relative. Even with a perfect shot, a shell large enough and fast enough to kill a Kaiju is going to wreck buildings just from the sonic boom.
Two things1) Are the Evas also still dependent upon a corded power source? Because if so that would greatly limit their capability to a mobile but limited defense. Jaegars are ironically slower and sluggish but also able to respond to threats outside their assigned theatres.So you have cities and urban areas under protection of monstrosities piloted by insane teens. While the the rangers take the fight directly to the kaiju and away from civilian dangers.2) The idea of a gold plated gulf jaegar piloted by a pair of rich princes is too hilarious to not pass up. An adventurous pair of sinbads with hearts of gold and a near infinite war chest.Also forced to team up with a neurotic isreali eva whose pilot's entire family lineage history is depressing.
>>31752426I like both of these ideas.
So would angels be Cat 5+ Kaiju or what?