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    358 KB Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)16:24 No.3039074  
    So I was thinking about running an all-Ewok game of Star Wars the other day.

    I haven't read much on d20 / Saga edition Star Wars. How well do Ewoks make traps in those systems? I remember that Ewok traps in d6 are super-deadly.
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    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)16:25 No.3039085
    Just don't mention Ewoks: The Battle For Endor.

    You think the prequels are bad? You haven't seen this pile of shit.
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    Wait for it.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)16:26 No.3039090
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    File deleted.
    This guy is the BBEG.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)16:27 No.3039099

    These are proof that Endor truly deserved to be blown up.
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    I own a double DVD with B4E and Caravan of Courage.

    Yeah, making Wicket speak Basic was not the best idea, but it had to be done. See the Star Wars Holiday Special.
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    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)16:38 No.3039140
    Was CoC:
    a) Better
    b) Just as bad
    c) Worse
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    Pic related

    CoC had Cindel's whiny brother Mace. I cheered when- well, you should watch it.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)16:48 No.3039177
    This reminds me of Tucker's Kobolds.
    I really want to do the Tucker's Kobolds thing to a party some time.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)16:51 No.3039197

    Ah god, that picture alone convinced to play Saga a few months ago.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)16:52 No.3039200
    This is kinda awesome.

    >>"Nub nub?"

    >>"They're trying to block up our weapons! Open Fire!"
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)16:52 No.3039204
    I know. I just want to play an ewok-hunting Endor veteran.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)16:55 No.3039218

    This almost redeemed Ewoks. You're posts were good & you should feel good.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)16:59 No.3039235

    Poor guy.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)16:59 No.3039239
    Nub nub, bitch.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)16:59 No.3039241
    I want to run an Imperial SAGA campaign just for an attempt to do the Imperial Stormtroopers justice.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:00 No.3039243
    So... Endor = Vietnam?

    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:00 No.3039252
    Man, stormtroopers suck at *everything*, even Sense Motive checks. :(
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:05 No.3039274
    Is it bad if I want to play that old man vet narrator?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:06 No.3039279

    Do they go through any kind of training at all?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:07 No.3039291
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    wut? THIS can be redeemed?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:09 No.3039304
    Nub the fuck nub
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:13 No.3039326
    >> Gary Reb !!yBSEiuYih/i 11/21/08(Fri)17:15 No.3039339
    I played an Endor vet once, had flashbacks when we met an ewok NPC
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:15 No.3039340
    Yeah. They can. Hell, they were badass to begin with, people just forget a few details.

    Remember the part where the Rebels got captured by those damn things? You remember what they were going to do if Luke and C3P0 didn't convince them they were gods or something? They were going to fucking eat them.

    Fast forward to the end of the movie. It's a celebration and everyone's partying their fucking brains out. There's probably a feast involved too, with a party this size. In the middle of all this, there's an Ewok playing the drums with Stormtrooper helmets.

    Gosh, I wonder what kind of meat they're serving.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:17 No.3039363
    Sure, its called "Follow Orders or get shot." Along with basics on how to fire a Blaster and to reload. It's like Imperial Guard, shitty training & shitty assignments. Most the stuff is learned on the field, but again like the IG, most never make it past day 1.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:18 No.3039364
    No, sorry, Ewoks are still gay, that shit has been done before and better, you are a fag.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:19 No.3039369

    Ah, I'm very sorry to hear of your crippling disability. I've been told that it doesn't permit you to read adverbs like "almost" or "nearly". It's absolutely tragic, I hope one day we can cure this horrible illness.

    I'm so very sorry.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:20 No.3039379
    And then they're equipped with crap weaponry, rammed into helmets with shit vision, and have to wear what I have termed Accelerating Bullet Body Armour - protective gear that actually makes projectiles and blaster bolts do MORE damage.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:21 No.3039381

    Are we ignoring the prequels or are original stormtroopers not cloned?

    Honest question, I really don't give two shits about Star Wars on most days and don't know all that much.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:21 No.3039382
    SW2: Attack of the Clones? It's not consistent though, they were kicking all sorts of ass in part 2 and then they just... Well, WILHELM SCREAMS EVERYWHERE. Even >>3039130 has a Wilhem Scream. They went from Kasrkin in 2 to Space Balls by 4. Probably all the good troopers just got the better jobs and they started recruiting non-clonefags or something, Lucas isn't big on keeping his shit together.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:22 No.3039394
    they changed who they were cloning from, so bad dna
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:22 No.3039397
    It's actually canon that the Empire started getting non-clones to fill the ranks of their storm troopers. They weren't necessarily bad in the original trilogy, though.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:23 No.3039399
    I think some rebels on Kamino tried something and since then only Vader's personal legion are clones. Everyone else is a conscript or (rarely) a volunteer.
    And has to be taller than Luke.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:23 No.3039401
    Did *not* make that connection before. I wonder if Leia likes long pig?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:23 No.3039403
    Faggot, the fact you even humor the thought of their redemption is Heresy.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:25 No.3039417
    They got replaced by non-clones when they could get volunteers by the billions, I think.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:26 No.3039430
    Imperial Guard are well-trained and have good equipment. Just because they're the official redshirts of the setting, doesn't make them shitty fighters. Same with Stormtroopers. When you're comparing them to smuggler crackshots and motherfucking Jedi... Mate, of course they're shit.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:31 No.3039463
    They did fucking kill the wookies. If it wasn't for the mary sues saving the day, fucking ewoks would of been eaten anyway.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:31 No.3039470

    Christ! You also suffer from "I wish I lived in a nightmare dystopian future" syndrome too! You poor guy.

    I bet everyone is a crazy "heretic" aren't they? Just think about Spess Mehreens and relax little guy.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:35 No.3039502
    Exactly. The cannonfodder are much better than people make them out to be.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:35 No.3039508
    >>3039430 comparing them to smuggler crackshots and motherfucking Jedi

    Yeah, but teddys with rocks & sticks? Come on.

    But I don't think it's fair to criticize ewoks, if you look at anything in Star Wars too closely you find shit everywhere. Suspending disbelief is something that becomes more difficult as you mature.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:44 No.3039564
    Arnold had to resort to the same thing in order to kill the predator.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:44 No.3039565
    SPESS MEHRINES? That does help a little actually.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:47 No.3039581
    >ewoks would of been eaten anyway.
    >ewoks would of been
    >would of been
    >would of
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)17:56 No.3039607

    Except the average IG (Ex. Cadians) is actually well trained and equipped. They just suck in comparison to most of the crazy baddassed horrors from space they fight.

    On the other hand, the quality of the Soldiers in the Empire is shown in comparison to troops which in many cases should have recieved less training and have worse equipment. It just doesn't seem to add up when the rebels kick their ass so easily and takes away from the ability to suspend disbelief.

    Sure, it's just a movie, but it could be a better movie if it didn't make you wonder how the hell an empire could survive that long with *elite* troops which are so utterly horrible.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)18:07 No.3039636

    1. Overwhelming numbers
    2. The Empire only lasted about two decades

    Though iirc the original novel for Star Wars had the Empire existing for a lot longer than what the movies depicted.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)18:07 No.3039641
    >They're trying to block up our weapons [with flowers]!

    What is this shit?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)18:09 No.3039649

    Who doesn't want an excuse to shoot them?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)18:14 No.3039666
    Ewoks >>> Gungans
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)18:14 No.3039670
    People who have never met them and are operating under first contact protocol.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)18:15 No.3039671
    It was based on the Soviet-Afghani war I belief (same thing anyway)
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)18:18 No.3039690
    Stormtroopers (clones) were replaced by Stormtroopers (normal people with harsh training on Carida) as the originals were made to age unnaturally fast as a part of the process to get them out onto the front line faster. They'd have to be replaced anyways, and you don't require a lot of high tech equipment to make a normal person, serving the role of marines (as in the soldiers on board a naval vessel for multiple purposes old school style marines) and elite shocktroops with regular rank-and-file army troopers (yeah, original, but who gives a shit) filling the role of basic foot soldier.

    Of course, the Emperor had his own cloning vats for 'just in case' purposes at places like Byss and Wayland, but that wasn't the normal means of making Stormtroopers after the beginning of the Empire, until Thrawn started cloning them again (and the facility where they were cloned destroyed) and the system Carida was in destroyed later by Kyp Durron in the Sun Crusher. After that, I'm not really sure what happens with stormtroopers anymore.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)18:20 No.3039706

    Just putting that out there for

    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)18:21 No.3039718
    The Empire actually has a new plan for making Stormtroopers reliable. They set themselves on fire and hug their enemies.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)18:23 No.3039721
    Blaster rifles.

    I think they had multiple power settings.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)18:32 No.3039792
    >maybe it would of been more effective

    Now you're just being dumb on purpose.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)18:39 No.3039812
    The Cadians are only well trained when compared to other Imperial Guard.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)18:49 No.3039853

    Yes, for average humans they are well trained, that was my point. And yes, Cadians have doctrines like Sharp Shooters to put them above basic IG level quality.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:00 No.3039889

    So the evil empire was trying to disable the rebels while causing minimal harm with low power settings on their blasters, while the noble rebels went in to kill fucking everyone and set their blasters to the highest possible setting all the time?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:03 No.3039902
    Nah, the hit on Leia was just a glancing shot. The stormtroopers one-shot'd plenty of Ewoks.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:05 No.3039905
    Pretty much.

    I like how elite soldiers in futuristic full body armor and carrying energy weapons are wiped out by stone age 2' tall carebears. What kind of armor can't stop crude stone tipped spears and arrows?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:05 No.3039909
    The hit on Leia was a direct shot to the hull of her plot armor.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:10 No.3039926
    Frankly this always annoyed me.
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    Their bodygloves are a weak point, apparently.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:22 No.3039960
    But it's just sad.

    A platoon of US soldiers from the vietnam war would probably have slaughtered those ewoks, and they had no armor or lasers. Simply by operating with 1 bullet is good, a whole magazine is better and liberal application of grenades and napalm is best.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:25 No.3039969
    Hell, the colonial British could have done a better job. They had a long standing tradition of suppressing brown people with less tech.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:27 No.3039977
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:27 No.3039978

    Man, I hope that guy got personally forced choked by Vader. What a dumbass.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:31 No.3039997
    I never said enslaving, I said suppressing.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:36 No.3040007

    You know the US lost Viet Nam, right?

    The primitive locals were too much for them.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:39 No.3040030

    You know the U.S. backed out of Vietnam for political and not military reasons, right?

    Napalm, pointless jungle fighting, and civilian killing were too much for the electorate.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:42 No.3040047
    It really wasn't the primitive locals that lost the U.S. the war, statistically there were many more Vietnamese deaths than U.S., ROK, Australian, New Zealand, ect. combined. It was a misunderstanding of their culture (A lesson that should have been learned from the way the French attempted to handle them) as well as a large movement at the homefront that lead to U.S. defeat.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:45 No.3040049
    Hahahaha. Sure.That's what it was.

    Protip: Most people thought the kent state students deserved it and the the meme about people spitting on soldiers coming back never happend.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:46 No.3040056

    After how many years of not making any progress
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:47 No.3040057
    The casualties were 20:1 in the Americans favor. It's worth noting that Vietnamese weren't spear chucking teddybears, they were experienced jungle fighters that were being funded and equipped by the Soviet Union.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:50 No.3040078
    Nobody believed My Lai actually happend, just like they still don't believe the other horrible shit today.

    William Calley is considered a hero.

    Hugh Thompson is considered a traitor.

    The electorate never gave a damn about massacres and they still don't.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:51 No.3040083
    >kill ratios lol
    have you ever played as terrans against zerg
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:52 No.3040086
    They give more than a damn about "BRING MY BOYS HOME."
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:53 No.3040093
    That's actually a very good analogy of the Vietnam War.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:56 No.3040114

    the us military actually is bigger than the population of vietnam what with the draft and all
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:58 No.3040129
    No. No it is not.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)19:59 No.3040143
    i agree and i am the person who posted it

    i was mostly just making fun of that guy who thinks kill ratios = most important
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:00 No.3040147
    A loss is a loss.
    Butthurt Amerifags can talk about kill ratios and military superiority all they want but they still failed to preserve the non-communist state of South Vietnam.
    Amerifags are the most butthurt people when it comes to admitting defeat. Yours is a culture that venerates winners and spits on losers so I'm not surprised you will never admit to defeat anywhere. Care to cite a few historical defeats? No, I thought not, even though there are a few humiliating ones I can think of.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:01 No.3040158
    No one is saying it wasn't a defeat, they're saying that the Americans didn't lose because of military failure. The military performed like well tuned clockwork.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:03 No.3040168
    Yes, but we didn't fail militarily. In fact, we didn't really "lose" Vietnam as much as we "got tired of winning so hard." No, we didn't accomplish our original objectives, but it was still not a military defeat by any stretch of the imagination. It only showcased how effective the American military was at the time.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:03 No.3040170

    Custer's Last Stand, the War of 1812, etc
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:03 No.3040171
    They're not the most important. I never said they were, but that kill ratio shows that it wasn't anything resembling the meat grinder of American troops that it's made out to be. The retreat was mostly because of political factors.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:03 No.3040173
    Can't see this as anything but a troll.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:04 No.3040184
    That's news to anybody who actually served in the conflict.
    See, to them, it looked like the brass had their heads up their ass and tried to use last centuries tactics.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:05 No.3040187
    Lazy troll is very lazy.

    At least pick a viewpoint that you can defend for a few posts.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:06 No.3040202
    It's partly true, though. As an outside observer American culture seems obsessed with being the best, the winner and so on. Not just in military terms, but in every walk of life.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:06 No.3040205
    1812 is the only big one, and that wasn't the brits, it was the scots.

    And they were drunk when they made it to Washington.
    You can't stop a full freaking brigade of drunken scotts.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:09 No.3040219
    That's bullshit because as an outside observer of every other culture, they too appear to be obsessed with being the best.

    This is how we get stupid shit memes of "Dur, Americans can't even find their country on the map!" while ignoring their country is, in fact, not any better.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:11 No.3040225
    As an American, I can tell you there's all sorts of different value systems, but naturally that's the kind you're gonna see out in the public eye.

    It's sort of like how every single Indian immigrant I work with is a real arrogant dick. It has nothing to do with their race or country, it's because the only way to get a visa to get over here is to fuck over everybody else in line.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:12 No.3040235
    Sure you can. It just takes a literal river of Guinness.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:13 No.3040239

    Losing to a British Empire from across the ocean when that empire was currently getting it's ass handed to it by the French so hard they had to call SPAIN an "important campaign" and ended up pretending that they, not the Prussians, won the battle of Waterloo single-handed just to get their patriotic pride back...

    The War of 1812 was a footnote to the British.

    We lost a FOOTNOTE.

    That's pretty fucking bad, I'd say. Even Afghanistan won it's British military footnote.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:13 No.3040249
    Well, I've been to America a few times in my life. And while no, not everyone is like that, I have noticed it is a trend. The other countries I've visited certainly aren't fixated with being #1 like people (in general, I stress) are over there. As for the thickies, well, you have your share, but so does everyone else. You just have more of them because you have more people than most places.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:15 No.3040269
    Oh come off it, Britain was immensely powerful at the time. Even getting a tie out of them as the tinpot nation we were was a big deal. And well, there was the battle of new orleans so we can pretend the rest of the war would have gone the same if we kept it up.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:16 No.3040272
    >>Care to cite a few historical defeats? No, I thought not, even though there are a few humiliating ones I can think of.

    Because the leadership of all other nations make sure to publicly announce their past failures and misdeeds at every turn, lolamirite?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:18 No.3040287
    Scots did it.
    Not you limey frog eating fucks.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:21 No.3040304
    >Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. Men, all this stuff you've heard about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans, love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball players, the toughest boxers ... Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in Hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. Because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.

    Gen. Patton
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:22 No.3040309
    >and that wasn't the brits, it was the scots.

    urgh read history idiot
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:24 No.3040321
    My favorite part of the War of 1812 is that in pursuing fleeing Americans outside of Washington DC, more British died of heatstroke due to running after us than would have in a full-scale legitimate battle. Americans ran away, but unlike the French we ran away SO HARD THAT IT KILLED THE ENEMY.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:25 No.3040325
    Thanks, kind anon.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:28 No.3040335
    Terrible fucking general who idiots idolize because of one half decent movie.
    There have been countless great american military leaders, this self-righteous prick is not one of them.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:29 No.3040346
    Though the USA war aims was to take Canada , in that respect it lost , The British war aim was to keep the statis quo so in that respect they won.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:38 No.3040417

    The USA's aims were:

    Take Canada
    Stop the seizure of American vessels and the impressment of American citizens
    Get the English to take them seriously as an independant nation rather than continuing to regard us as a lawless and criminal section of the British Empire despite the Treaty of Paris

    The aims of the British Empire in the war:

    What, what? Why are you doing this all of a sudden, America? Jesus Christ, can't you fucks relax for one fucking second? I'm kinda busy at the moment. Look, I'll address your concerns as soon as I can but I have to deal with this lunatic frog midget. FUCKING STOP IT, YOU GUYS, GEEZ.

    Britain still won.
    >> Lil piece o´fluff 11/21/08(Fri)20:43 No.3040445
    >What, what? Why are you doing this all of a sudden, America? Jesus Christ, can't you fucks relax for one fucking second? I'm kinda busy at the moment. Look, I'll address your concerns as soon as I can but I have to deal with this lunatic frog midget. FUCKING STOP IT, YOU GUYS, GEEZ.

    They sound so tsundere~...



    Mmmmmmhhhh... tsundere Great Britain...
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:43 No.3040447

    Shut up. Shut the FUCK UP.

    Until American gives reparations to Vietnam for using chemical weapons on civilians, poisoning the earth & generally being fucking evil bastards - they can go right to hell.

    "Well oiled machine" my ass. The tactic was to destroy the fucking jungle to win, and they still lost. And decades later babies are still borned deformed in Vietnam. Bravo, bravo.

    Oh & they argued to Vietnam that Agent Orange wasn't that dangerous, and awarded the vets who were victims of it the (at the time) largest out of court settlement in history.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:46 No.3040465
    Ahh, so I guess its still impossible to get an Amerifag to admit defeat. Oh well, its what makes you an Amerifag anyway so its probably a bit much to ask for.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:47 No.3040472
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:49 No.3040486

    >being evil means you lose due to being evil. Militaries can't be both evil and effective.

    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:49 No.3040487
    >>3040205 and that wasn't the brits, it was the scots.

    They guys we, you know, conquered & subjugated right? Poor argument. If we Brits can't fight then how the hell did we conquer our UK allies in the first place?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:51 No.3040497

    Exploitation of tribal conflicts and civil wars, mostly.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:52 No.3040500
    My favourite part was when we chased you back into the USA and then BURNT DOWN YOUR WHITE HOUSE
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:53 No.3040518
    Thompson is one of the greatest men to live, while Calley is going to burn in hell if he ain't there already.

    Any man that says different in my earshot will have fun debating their points with my fist.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:54 No.3040522

    I wasn't really discussing "losing", I was stating how morally repugnant, disgusting and shoddy your actions were. If you have to use chemical weapons to "win" then you're no better than Saddam gassing the Kurds or other countries in the "Axis of Evil".

    You wouldn't do it now, but you did it then, and you've never admitted your foolishness.

    As for "losing"... you lost. You didn't achieve your objective, your left the war & the enemy achieved theirs. That's a loss. You can say you weren't "militarily defeated" if you like, but you lost the War.
    The same way the British lost the War of Independence, you fought a small portion of our army and had minor victories - but in reality it was the French that effectively ended our chance of victory in that War. You won, we lost.

    But of course, your subjective views of "victory" change so that Americans are always the "victors". Doesn't matter how many kids are still born deformed, you won't admit your mistakes.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:54 No.3040524

    Because London has never been bombed, right?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:55 No.3040530
    Brit faggots.
    Battle of New Orleans.
    Don't like that do ya?
    You're just lucky we decided to take it easy on ya after that one. We won 1812, just thought we'd be nice to ya's.
    You kinda just passed the whole "official british ships kidnapping American sailors and press ganging them". Most folk consider slavery to be a big deal.
    I agree. I think. Focus your rants, it helps.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:56 No.3040544

    Mostly yes. Oh wait, is this an argument about "martial prowess"?

    Us English, owners of the largest empire in history & responsible for winning more wars than you've ever fought, laugh at such notions. Wars are about more than soldiering, something Americans should know - seeing as their economy won most of theirs.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:58 No.3040554
    I wish there was more of us in America.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)20:59 No.3040565
    No mistake was made. War isn't pretty and never should be. You should gas civilians, burn school, bomb hospitals, whatever it takes to make the enemy back down and say "that's too much, we give up". If you ask me, the Americans were nothing resembling brutal enough.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:00 No.3040569
    GTFO moralfag. I for one admire a good scorched earth policy. Great way to cut your losses and kill babies.
    Mmm, delicious babies..
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:00 No.3040571
    >>3040530 I agree. I think. Focus your rants, it helps.

    Agent Orange = Bad, basically. It makes me very fucking angry though, especially since America has done nothing about it. We were dicks every now & then.

    Though the tax thing pisses me off, since you paid a barest fraction of what we English paid the crown, and you'd probably have an MP in Parliament after a couple years too. What a shame.

    Oh & you won the War of Independence (obviously!) but you won because of the French really. I won't deny you guys gave us hell though.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:02 No.3040581

    So you agree that conquering Scotland isn't a direct measure of fighting ability since fighting ability wasn't directly responsible, but you've worded it in a way that makes it look like a refutation somehow.

    I don't know what to do about this, guys.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:02 No.3040585
    >>3040565 You should gas civilians, burn school, bomb hospitals, whatever it takes to make the enemy back down and say "that's too much, we give up"

    That's called terrorism mate, it's what your supposed to be fighting against. It's disgusting frankly.

    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:02 No.3040586
    Modern Britain hasn't won dick. Your nation is a castrated nanny state and you know it.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:02 No.3040589
    Only the foolish think this is the proper way to wage war, especially in this day and age. It hurts more than it helps.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:04 No.3040600
    >Most folk consider slavery to be a big deal.
    I was under the impression that slavery was A-OK back in ol 1812. Maybe it was cos it was WHITE SLAVERY that folk got so uptight about it.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:04 No.3040603

    And yet America has a "War Against Terror"...

    .. seems to me the basic American thinks Terrorism is anything that threatens them, and Warfare is doing anything to Win.

    Call me a moral all you like, us English learned what happens when a power loses it.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:05 No.3040605
    It is always the victors that decide what to call the combatants in a war. You say terrorism, I say it worked for Sherman.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:05 No.3040606

    It's only terrorism when it's done by people without an air force.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:05 No.3040611
    That was property ownership, not slavery.
    Big difference, just ask any 1800's southerner.
    Or fuck, any modern southerner.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:07 No.3040614
    I like to speak with a bad dago accent online.
    It makes me feel tough.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:07 No.3040616
    Please tell me you're only referring to da gubbermint and not Americans as a whole. There are a significant number of us who are quite pissed off at our nation's past/current belligerence and cruelty.

    Though to be fair, EVERY OTHER GOVERNMENT ON EARTH IS ALSO FUCKING SHIT UP LIKE THIS. That doesn't make it right, but do keep in mind that the U.S. isn't the only one with blood on their hands.

    I hear that.


    Bullshit. Utter bullshit. War is hell, true, but that's no excuse to try and justify becoming a demon.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:07 No.3040619
    I think his "Mmm, delicious babies" line denoted some kind of sarcasm.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:09 No.3040639
    Ahh, but your missing the whole point here. Atrocities are not committed to win wars, atrocities are committed for atrocities sake. Its because its an undeniable part of who we are that we must inflict suffering upon others. The fact that they may be coloured folk or speak differently is just an added bonus.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:09 No.3040641

    DO YOU KNOW IT!?!?!
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:09 No.3040649
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    England has its own problems.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:10 No.3040651
    >>3040586 Modern Britain hasn't won dick


    "It was bloody fighting, often at the point of a bayonet, that left 29 men dead and almost 100 wounded, more than 20 of them seriously. The Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters lost nine men, as did the 1st Battalion the Royal Anglian Regiment"

    Really? I don't hear of any americans doing bayonet charges against 100 armed men in the desert?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:13 No.3040687
    I have a background in psychology that says you're full of shit. There is no NEED to inflict suffering, and no, before someone brings it up, that's NOT what schadenfreude is.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:14 No.3040688
    >>3040616 Please tell me you're only referring to da gubbermint and not Americans as a whole.

    Just the Americans that don't care about deformed kids in Vietnam



    Good job you have guns to protect your civil liberties RIGHT? I mean, those FBI guys are gonna back off & not arrest under the Patriot Act if you've got a handgun right?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:16 No.3040698
    Impressment isn't slavery.

    Slavery is when people are owned by an individual.

    Impressment is the seizure of people to force them to work for a collective body, like the military or the East India Trading Company, without individual ownership of the people in question. No one owns the impressed servitors, but those impressed have rather obviously lost any rights or liberties of a free man.


    America has always been shitty at up-close-and-personal fighting. Always.


    At least we don't put up posters glamorizing our government's failure as a free state.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:16 No.3040699
    No, the FBI isn't going to stop. But a firearm does give you your fundamental freedom to fight back. Possessing firearms gives the citizenry the weaponry with which they can fight should they band together and organize a proper resistance.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:18 No.3040713

    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:22 No.3040737
    Ah yes. Collective responsibility is so freeing. Pun intended.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:22 No.3040738
    Fuck you.

    Have them all play Squibs if you want quirky short fuzzy things.

    Squibs are way cooler than ewoks. Plus they have manpack tractor beam emitters.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:24 No.3040746
    And I have a ton of bodies behind me that says I do, cos I sleep easy every night knowing that there are folk out there indulging in what is most essentially human. Schadenfreude? No, Its just the comfort of knowing the natural order of things and what ought to be is consistent with what happens daily. this way I don't have to fret every time some little girl get murdered or whatnot, cos I know its the way things were meant to be.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:31 No.3040790

    The Slave Trade Act was passed by the British Parliament on 25 March 1807, making the slave trade illegal throughout the British Empire. The Act imposed a fine of £100 for every slave found aboard a British ship.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:38 No.3040811
    remember all of those times the us government took away rights

    good thing you were there to kill the government with your pistol

    peew peew do we get to win this time peew peew peew
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:40 No.3040827

    You guys actually believe that? Seriously?

    There are two ways a dictatorship can come about in the United States. The first way is an external or internal force that can militarily defeat the United States, which has the most powerful military in the world. Assuming that such a force could defeat the US military, do you really think a few million armed civilians would be able to stop them? This isn't 1861; a modern military force that isn't constrained politically will annihilate civilian militias.

    The second way is for a dictatorship to come about with the consent of the population, in which case it doesn't matter if you have guns because you won't want to destroy the government. A few diehards would fight it, of course, but they'd be branded as terrorists and criminals and the public would view them as such. There wouldn't be some mass uprising and even if it did occur, the government would have the support of enough of the populace to ensure victory. Lets see how keen you would be to revolt when a city is nuked or napalmed.

    You cling to your guns because you seem to believe it keeps your government in check. They don't. All they serve to do is promote violence amongst citizens.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:45 No.3040850
    A ton of bodies behind you. Right.

    Hm. Internet tough guy or sociopath?

    How cute. You've taken the predator/prey view on life because it makes you soooo bad ass. You're an idiot. Worse than an idiot, really, but I'm not going to waste my time and list the many insults I could apply to you.

    You know what you're really doing? You're running away, you coward.

    You're running away from the fact that as it stands a lot of change is needed in the way the world is. Running away from the fact that things could be better, should be better. Running away because it's easier to run than to face truth and try to change the looming monster that is modern Earth. If you think everything is as it should be, there's nothing for you to do. You don't have to do your part, don't have to feel sympathy, don't have to be HUMAN.

    Heh. You don't have to be human at all when you've changed the definition of what it is to be a human so.

    You have accepted the suffering so you don't have to suffer. That is the path of beasts, not of humanity. And you can try to lump humans in with animals all you like. There have been enough examples throughout history to show that humans can rise above such base instinct and amorality and become something more. There have been terrors too, in that history, but to claim that humankind has a need to see others suffer is to deny what shining moments we've managed.

    But fine. You cannot handle the truth of things. You lean on your crutch of a philosophy and pretend to be some predator or badass, a human without humanity pretending that all is right with the world. Keep running away. Perhaps one day you'll turn and face things.

    Or perhaps one day you'll run so far you'll vault off a cliff and into the fires of hell.

    Either way, we humans will move on without you.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:47 No.3040855
    Gun ownership has been illegal in Washington D.C. for a long time, and the murder rates there are the worst in the country.
    I'm not defending that guy's point; you're correct, we'd be fucked against any modern military. But the power of a handgun as a crime deterrent shouldn't be ignored.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:48 No.3040857
    >>There are two ways a dictatorship can come about in the United States. The first way is an external or internal force that can militarily defeat the United States, which has the most powerful military in the world. Assuming that such a force could defeat the US military, do you really think a few million armed civilians would be able to stop them? This isn't 1861; a modern military force that isn't constrained politically will annihilate civilian militias.
    A few million well-armed guerrillas can be hell. See Iraq, where there aren't even a few million attackers, but the damage they do is enough that the occupying nation wishes to withdraw.

    >>You cling to your guns because you seem to believe it keeps your government in check. They don't. All they serve to do is promote violence amongst citizens.
    Disagree. A well armed populace means that criminals have to tread extra lightly.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:49 No.3040866
    >A few million well-armed guerrillas can be hell. See Iraq, where there aren't even a few million attackers, but the damage they do is enough that the occupying nation wishes to withdraw.

    You missed
    >that isn't constrained politically
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:50 No.3040873
    >>Disagree. A well armed populace means that criminals have to tread extra lightly.

    Because all those people carrying around handguns in the inner city really make people afraid to commit crimes around there.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:50 No.3040875
    >You have accepted the suffering so you don't have to suffer. That is the path of beasts, not of humanity.
    Beasts, Buddhists, what's the difference?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:52 No.3040880
    >All they serve to do is promote violence amongst citizens.

    This is wrong.

    If you'd studied the subject, you'd know that gun-related homicide, particularly multiple-victim homicide, is less common in areas (of the US) where gun ownership is more common and easily allowed.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:52 No.3040883
    >>Because all those people carrying around handguns in the inner city really make people afraid to commit crimes around there.
    What people carrying handguns?
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:53 No.3040889
    >Disagree. A well armed populace means that criminals have to tread extra lightly.

    Even as a Brit I have to agree with this. As is stands criminals in America, even the petty ones, will be able to get a fun with a fair amount of ease. They're alot harder to disarm than a law abiding civilian populace. Over in England knives are the choice weapon for random scummers because they're easy to get ahold of while guns really, really aren't. The latter also draws alot of attention, so only the more serious criminals tend to use them. It's why a gun ban over here works while one in America would be incredibly stupid.
    >> Anonymous 11/21/08(Fri)21:56 No.3040900
    To my knowledge, Buddhists accept that people must suffer and work towards the extinction of desire. Though suffering is inevitable as they say, it's the level of suffering that's debatable. They're not going to look at My Lai and shrug it off with, "Well, whaddya going to do, that's life."
    >> deleted 11/21/08(Fri)22:53 No.3041218
    Why the fuck is /tg/ having intellectual debates about human rights, big brother governments, and the freedom to bare arms?

    I thought we are all about Dragons, Goblins and Sprites.

    Maybe I'll institute a sword, mace, axe and spear ban in my players home town.
    >> OP 11/22/08(Sat)00:14 No.3041692
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    So basically I should stick with d6 then.
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)04:50 No.3042545
    If you know D6, then you would not be asking this and playing D6.
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)05:10 No.3042596
    I read this and felt like I needed therapy. Thanks, INTERNET.
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)05:16 No.3042611
    Banning gun ownership in D.C. doesn't do dick because firearms are so prevalent in American society. I'm going to take a stab at it and say that the majority of gun-related murders are committed with illegally purchased or stolen firearms. If you didn't have so many fucking legal firearms, there wouldn't be so many stolen ones.
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)05:19 No.3042621
    Go ahead and stick with a defunct, out-of-print game system that no one but fat-assed grognards play anymore
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)05:21 No.3042632
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    People will always find ways of threatening and murdering eachother. Guns don't have as much to do with it as the decline of civility.
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)05:41 No.3042672
    Where can I download the Tales OP?
    I've been looking for them forever.
    >> Phobonaut !tTBC.7oEaQ 11/22/08(Sat)05:45 No.3042681
    Ewoks are why I hate Star Wars.
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)05:50 No.3042691
    Guns are just so much more civilized than knives. If you shoot them in the right places, that is.
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)05:50 No.3042692
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    Holy shit

    The Scottish ARE British
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)06:02 No.3042723
    Trolling begets self righteous ranting, ranting begets therapy. God I love the internet

    Trolling should be a form of role play, where one makes characters and fleshes them out with fictional anecdotes and phony POVs. Sockpuppetry is fair game to stir the argument and play the devils advocate. Enjoyment is to be had form responses to your fictional characters, but still one must wonder if the responses are fictional, and your opponents are puppets on strings, just like you are.
    how many anons here are actually different people? Maybe they are the same person sock puppeteering a whole thread, or a whole board. Maybe I'm Jim Profit, and maybe I'm not, but one thing you cannot deny, trolling is a RPG.
    Have fun tg.
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)06:06 No.3042731
    inb4 slew of "NO I'M ANONYMOUS" posts.
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)06:06 No.3042734
    Fuck off fagot, you are the cancer that is killing tg.
    GTFO and stop derailing threads with shit about who won wars or morality or second amendment.
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)06:06 No.3042735
    Americans are fat Ewoks.

    Prove me wrong.
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)06:07 No.3042738

    The Ewoks WON their jungle war.
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)06:11 No.3042746
    I'm the one who derailed the thread with
    Where are your fucking ewoks now?
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)06:13 No.3042750
    Ewoks weren't fat.
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)14:20 No.3043994
    What comic are those from?
    >> OP 11/22/08(Sat)15:38 No.3044411

    Jeez, you guys. I didn't realize that Ewok was the secret word that triggered a board meltdown.

    >Go ahead and stick with a defunct, out-of-print game system that no one but fat-assed grognards play anymore
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)22:58 No.3046169
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)23:06 No.3046198
    Fucking ewoks shat all over that film. A sign of things to come.
    >> Anonymous 11/22/08(Sat)23:26 No.3046331
    Even though ~I'm a Britfag, I side with the Yanks on this one- America won every battle in the Vietnam war, with ratios like 10 VC for every GI being killed in the Tet offensive.
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)03:40 No.3047449
    There are many ways to define a 'win' in warfare.

    While kill ratios and number of cities/jungles/what-have-you rendered into so much teratogenic slag can be impressive, I believe the "winner" is the side that achieved what they set out to achieve.

    "Let's just kill as many of the other side as we can," is rarely the objective. (In many instances, even genocidal campaigns can be seen more as "Let's try and stop these people from doing whatever they're doing that I find so offensive.)
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)03:56 No.3047507
    Can you really claim that one side "won" a war over the other, if the other side just picked up and went home one day due to internal politics?

    North Vietnam beat South Vietnam, but they didn't beat the USA. They were just still there when the USA went home, and the Americans were never trying to eliminate North Vietnam, they were just trying to defend South Vietnam from their invasion.

    One day they stopped trying to do that.
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)04:03 No.3047532
    The only problems I ever saw with the Ewoks were their poor costumes/masks, and their clumsy gaits. They looked like dwarfs in teddy-bear costumes. But I thought that was much better than not having a role for clearly-inhuman aliens at all.

    They had an awesome little primitive culture, an unabashedly predatory nature, and a gift for guerilla warfare.

    When I was a kid, I even loved the Ewoks cartoon.

    I don't know why people don't like them.
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)05:32 No.3047745
    >loved the Ewoks cartoon
    gave it away.

    Also, they WERE dwarfs in bear costumes.
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)05:36 No.3047761
    Who are you, why do you know me, and why is everything after
    >A ton of bodies behind you. Right.
    speaking directly to me?

    Goddamn, now I need therapy too. Goddamnit /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)05:41 No.3047785
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    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)05:42 No.3047786
    War is a matter of will, as well as materiel. The USA fought a technically very challenging, asymmetric war in a regrettable way that sapped the morale of our fighting forces and the general public; we lost our will, so we lost the war. It was more 'our loss' than 'their win', but the distinction isn't that important-if you lose the 100m sprint because you decide to hop, the other guy still gets the medal.
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)05:47 No.3047800
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)05:57 No.3047821
    Let's look at it this way: say it's some alternate-history WW II.

    Germany is invading France. Italy is helping France resist the invasion. There is a political shift in Italy, and Italy makes an agreement to help Germany invade France and split the spoils.

    Did Italy "lose" because they changed their mind about what they were doing? I don't think they'd feel like they had lost when their troops were sacking Paris.

    Same scenario, except after Italy's political shift, they decide to pull a Swizerland and be neutral. Did Italy "lose" because they changed their mind? I don't think so.

    People in the USA disagreed about whether they should be fighting that war from the start. For one side of the argument to win over the other is not the whole country winning or losing the war. It was just the country changing its mind.
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)05:59 No.3047826
    looks like someone decided to resurrect a troll thread
    Don't you ever mention that word ever again.
    Ewoks killed StarWars long before fucking JarJar dildohead ever came to be.
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)06:04 No.3047840
    So you agree that if a country surrenders, it can't have lost, they simply changed their minds.
    Now we can all be winnarz!!!
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)06:09 No.3047843
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    I might just leave this here.
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)06:09 No.3047847


    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)06:17 No.3047856
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    Hay guize! wutz goin on in here?
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)06:17 No.3047859
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    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)06:18 No.3047863
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    Oh not again.
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)06:19 No.3047870
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    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)06:23 No.3047875
    No high ranking officer in the US military would have said that they were incapable of holding off the North Vietnamese invasion indefinitely.

    There is being defeated, and there is changing your mind. The Americans, despite having come freshly off a major battlefield victory (the Tet Offensive), and being fully capable of holding their ground, just said, "Fuck this shit. We're pulling out."

    I don't think there's anyone who thinks it was a consistent decision with the decision to join the war. Nobody was saying, "We were right to try, but we just can't win this!" Plenty of people were saying, "This is crazy! We never should have been a part of this! Why were we ever in there?!"

    A major factor in the American decision to withdraw was disgust with the level of casualties they were *inflicting*.

    This is not "losing". This is just taking your ball and going home.
    >> Anonymous 11/23/08(Sun)06:37 No.3047903
    But you cannot deny that North Vietnam won by accomplishing what they set out to do while the US simply packed up and went home without accomplishing anything.
    Thats a loss in my book.

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