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Suptg Archive:

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Shadow+Quest+
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Archive compiled with story posts and pictures for an easier read, as well as ability and metadata tables:(big thanks to contributors, especially Sorry!):

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/akcvpyo893vvae6/ieUkT-2X3j
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Twitter (quest times, cancellations, updates):

https://twitter.com/ShadowMaster_tg
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Theme music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLTQ5PlEWko
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Notes on Rolls and Voting:

When I request rolls, each set of three rolls counts for one action. For example, a two-step plan would take the first 6 linked rolls. A particularly bad failure can interrupt a string of actions.

When rolling 1d100, I will consider criticals within the first ten linked rolls. Only criticals that occur in the first three rolls will be counted as "supercrits". This is still the case even if you'd have plan long enough to require more than ten rolls.

When rolling 1d20, the rules are the same, but I only consider criticals for the first five rolls, rather than ten. Criticals in the first three are still "supercrits".

When a plot choice results in extensive debate, I'll try to weed out the most popular trains of thought, and then call a vote on them. When voting, please respond with only a link back to the post and the number corresponding to your opinion. Other votes are discounted, including those with dice rolls or extra spaces.

Finally, note that this is not a democracy; it is a benevolent dictatorship.
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Arland Summit Summary: Goals, Objectives, and Major Characters (thanks to Sorry for helping me and the players out!):

http://pastebin.com/FsP2C5Hr
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Recent Events Summary:

You pursued Matthel into the bowels of the cathedral, and managed to subdue him. However, you let your guard down, and he used the opportunity to warn Metatron to release the sigil's anchor and move it to safety.

Arcturis, Hemmelus, and yourself entered the sigil cavern to stop Metatron. A prolonged battle forced Metatron to activate his most powerful spell, which, while killing him, managed to hold you off long enough to transport the sigil to safety.

You're now regrouped with your allies, and Arcturis, who has comitted himself to your alliance. With Sandalphon scheduled to arrive the next morning, however, he worries that you have no advantages - and now that the fourth demon lord has been summoned, you need every friend you can get.

You've consulted with Adavan, who managed to steal the final key to Hecate's seal during the battle against Metatron. You've agreed to free Hecate, after discussing the plan with your inner circle - Donovan, Auriel, Abigail, and Ila.

You then brought together Auriel and Fang, who agreed that it was the time to contact the Black Lady. But when you called, she didn't answer.

Later, you revealed the plan to unseal Hecate. Auriel didn't protest, but insisted she wouldn't help you, still unable to forget the war she fought against the former. You went with Abigail, Ila, and Adavan. A demon lord made a surprise appearance, but you managed to get away without any problems.

You unsealed Hecate, and are now getting her up to speed...
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Ability Tree

GREEN abilities have been unlocked and learned.

BLUE abilties are unlocked, but are not yet purchased.

RED abilities are revealed, but locked due to prerequisites.

UNDERLINED abilities are active-use, as opposed to passive. Not all active abilities require mana.

All Revealed Ability Descriptions:

http://pastebin.com/UBdTaB14

Books the Main Character has read:

http://pastebin.com/dAXR00gP

Character Sheet including learned abilities and other important information:

http://pastebin.com/JjjiRx6u
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>>30380471
Buy Earths Gift.
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Yissss
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Current Statistics:

HP: 81/81
Mana: 20/58
EXP: 43

Shards of Order and Chaos:

(Retribution) - Strong
(Maker) - Normal
(Silence) - Strong
(Peace) - Strong
(Breeze) - Normal
(Hammer) - Broken
(Ardor) - Strong
{Resolve} - Weak
{Humanity} - Resonant

--Summoned--

Wisp - 1 mana to order

--Automatons--

Vita (Shade)

--Equipment--

Utility belt with purse

--Inventory--

Aurora Water Gem (pocket)

--Teleport Anchor--

Haven - Inner Fortress

--Current Location--

Under Jacob's Field

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Known Mana Pools:

Jacob's Field - entrance to Hecate's tomb - Spirit
Palthair Mines - Magnock's Lair - Spirit
Archon - Spirit District - Spirit
Archon - Shadow District - Shadow
Archon - Earth District - Earth
Archon - Water Distric - Water
Haven - Shadow
Abbotsford - Shadow
Aurora - Water
Va'ad - South Generator - Earth
Va'ad - North Generator - Earth
Arland - Dryfeld - Water
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>>30380513
We're gonna Chosen Abigail first, as long as Hecate doesn't eat her.
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>>30380513

Chosen Abigail first.
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>>30380538
If Hecate tries to eat her, we're eating Hecate. And then we're going to bitch out Adavan for being a douche.

Though, that's a big if.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2YAoawu-Ms

>Last time...

<Hecate,> you say. <We have much to discuss.>

<I might imagine so, Lord of Darkness. While I've been bereft the passage of time, I still noted its passage. You did not say it would take seven centuries.>

"My lady!" Adavan runs, practically stumbles forward off the staircase. Abigail and Ila both come up behind him. He comes to a halt next to the pool, and knees, leaning on his knee and bending himself low. "My lady."

<...your face has changed, Adavan. I fear you gave up too much for one such as me.>

"Not enough, my lady."

<Too much,> she says again. She walks forward and touches his hood. <We will fix this, in time.>

"You do not have to lower yourself so."

<You always were a rather silly man. I will fix you because I chose to do so, and for no other reason.>

"...as you wish, my lady."

<And who are they? I expected you to only tolerate my servant, Erebus. Though it seems they have your blessing. New servants of your own?>

<Not exactly.> You begin to change, then shrinking into your human self. "There's been a lot of changes since you were last around. I'm not Erebus, anymore. Or at least, I lost my memories when I did whatever I did to the greater elemental lords."

Hecate's face doesn't move, or change, but her aura seems to flicker. You get the sense she's surprised. <You did seem weaker. Not yet to your full strength, once more. Have any of the other lords been restored?>

"No. You're the first."

<So, Erebus. Or, your new self, rather.> She lets her hand fall from Adavan's hood. <What changes have there been?>

"First...my name is Shadow."

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>con't
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Is anyone else having crash errors on 4chanX while trying to reply?
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Rolled 12

rolling for player competence.
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>>30380471
Happening
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We love you SM.
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>>30380561
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wait, you telling me we did not open a portal to Haven and give her the run down away from the Demon Lord banging on the door?
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>>30380555
>>30380538
Sure as long as we get it since we are gonna be dragging our friends along with us and having a spell like that would help greatly.plus we must get decimate.
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<The powers of the world have been arrayed against this Pentaverate, then,> Hecate says. <That is good. It is where I myself drew a line. That Sandalphon would dare cross it is a sign of his arrogance...and impatience.>

"That's right."

<You have told me such a story. I hardly know what to make of it.>

"Sorry to throw it on you all at once," you say.

<It is what it is. Is the Sir Donovan Flint in a safe location?>

"He's hidden onboard an airship I've enchanted myself," you say. "It's the safest place I have, right now."

<What of your palace, in the north? Does it still stand?>

"...the magic there didn't recognize me. It's not standing any longer."

<You always were one for traps.> She tilts her head slightly. <Though...you are not -that- you, any longer. Are you?>

"No."

<You have changed for the better,> she says. <Sometimes...your old self disturbed me. You seem to comprehend and relate to humans much better, now.>

"I guess I do."

Hecate chuckles. A flicker of Spirit flies across her body. <You guess? More uncertain words I've naught heard from you.> She settles straight again. <You must restore yourself to your full strength...but we have not the time. I did not predict the long time I would be sealed. I am not myself, either. And we have only a week.>

"It's all we can risk, my lady," Adavan says. "Any longer, and they might have time to summon the fifth."

<So it is,> Hecate says. <I agree with your plan of...keeping my prescence clandestine, until the time is ripe. I will focus on gathering my strength. If you call, Shadow, I shall come. And likewise, Adavan.>

>con't
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>>30380571
Update it manually. There's an update they put out that fixed that.
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>>30380572
that's a d12 right
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>>30380597
Thank you, based anon.
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>>30380593
can we thin up the forces up top?(maybe even kill a demon lord?)
>>30380601
d100
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>>30380593
>I will focus on gathering my strength.
Can we ask her how she do that? Cause eating souls being the only way for us to do it is kinda not good.
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"My lady honors me."

<Your lady tires of your overly polite attitude,> Hecate says. <You have not seen me in 700 years, and still you dare not use my name? Is there any condition under which you would drop such supercilious appellations?>

Adavan smiles. "No, my lady."

<Hmph. Do as you would.> She looks to you. <The mana pool should provide convenient escape. I would avoid the Unbidden One in the hall above. No need to take uneeded risks; better to have allies to whom you may retreat.>

"Unbidden One?"

<I believe you called it a Demon Lord,> she says. <Chaos, like us, summoned and given form. Strong enough to bend the bounds of its own summoning. An Unbidden One. Those who try to control them should use great caution, for they are not meant to be controlled by their very nature.>

It is a forboding thought.

Do you want to ask Hecate anything before she leaves?

>Hecate - Call out to the Goddess of Spirit. She'll appear to aid you for two turns - if she has the strength.
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>>30380593
There's one Demon Lord literally right outside.

Why aren't we going to at least try to take it down?

Or is it too much for the five of us?
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>>30380642
THE WHITE TREE'S MYSTERY REVEALED
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>>30380644
i'm willing on trying to take it on.
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>>30380642
how about some advice on regaining our true power, or any secrets Erebus made her privy to?
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>>30380661
there is still a light magic tree
>>30380642
does she know where the other part of the ocean elemental went?
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>>30380642
Ask her if she thinks anything can be done to repair Geb's sanity?

We're fairly close to being able to free him, but it's probably not the wisest of moves.
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>>30380671
Not yet, we need some more EXP first and I'd rather not risk it. Let's go Chosen Abby.

>>30380642

And yeah, ask her what all she knew about the old us.
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>>30380644
>>30380671

I would be willing if we had our shards recharged but sadly we don't so we cant fall back on them, and sandlethong is only a few hours away at this point.
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>>30380642
Wouldn't killing the demon lord give us a ton of extra time to deal with the others?

It's alone, relatively isolated, and basically trapped indoors. Is there any reason I'm missing not to try to kill it?
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>>30380642
Ask her if we should try to take on the demon lord outside?
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>>30380644
she advised against it
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Lets go Choose Abby and maybe buy Tree Gift.
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>>30380671
Eh, if Hecate can sense it, and thinks we should avoid it, I GUESS it's probably a smart move.

Just don't really get the logic of it.
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>>30380703
well an easy way to gain exp is to gang up on a demon lord.(they each control 1 army so they are pretty separated right now.)
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>>30380642
Show her the water gem and ask if our suspicions about it being part of Leviathan make any sense.

Also ask her how she plans to gather power. I want to know if CONSUME is Erebus only or what. And if it is Erebus only, which I think it is, I want to know what she plans on doing. Meditating like we do with the shards or something?
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>>30380738
>>30380718
Not really advised more like saying if your trying to escape might as well go this way instead of fighting your way out.
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>>30380642
>Hecate
Oh Shit
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>>30380713
i have two reasons right off the top of my head
1.Our shards need to be recharged so we don't accidentally the seal.
2.Sandlethong is about to arrive in Arland and we need to be there
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>>30380713
I guess the logic is we're low on mana and can't use any Shards?

And Hecate can't help us without revealing her presence to everyone?
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>>30380642
>the purple blotch above Hecate
WHAT COULD IT BE
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Can we use our portal to get out of here? I'd like that we not advertise the fact we got Hecate out to the demons.
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>Hecate is on the skill list.
Hu hu hu. Balance Elemental : A possibility.
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>>30380785
how about going after it after sandy leaves?
Since right now we have a week to two weeks max, and i feel like expanding it into a month or two.
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>>30380785
>>30380788
Both valid points. Fair enough.
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>>30380795
Dave? Only one that makes sense honestly. He's trapped in the Nether, so being able to "Summon" him like Hecate makes sense...kinda.
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>>30380642
>She'll appear to aid you for two turns
The fuck? Will she just poof away after two turns?
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Well if Hecate is on there most likely Dave and the other 'lesser' elementals are on there as well.

Dave is probably completely and utterly locked to us though.
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>>30380815
Dave is a cunt though
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>>30380795
it looks like its part of the summon tree, with the shadow side.(the left is spirit, and the right is shadow while the middle is demon if my memory is right.)
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>>30380785
But that would make victory all the sweeter.

Imagine if they arrive and we tell them to fuck off cause we already got the problem under control.

But it is a pretty big risk.

But i can't see us getting any better odds against a Demon lord.
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>>30380642
>Chaos, like us, summoned and given form.
...did we not cover the nature of Shadow in our off-screen summary, or by 'us' is she referring to other, non-Erebus Lords? Or have we become so equally Chaotic and Orderly now that she feels this is still an accurate turn of phrase?
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We can save Dave.
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>>30380837
it would alleviate a lot of pressure sandy could have now.
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>>30380855
Ehh, It doesn't really mean anything, we probably told her.
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>>30380862
I doubt we are going to however.

>>30380874
It would. But we just were cautioned against tackling the big bad demon.
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>>30380874
I meant political pressure, and give us extended amount of breathing room.
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Guys, we should consider smuggling Flint into Hecate's Lair so she can remove the parasite herself.
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>>30380827

She doesn't have the strength for more than that. She's trying to gather power, not babysit you.
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>>30380911
This is an idea, we need to ask her if she can invoke her God Card to kill the shel'kath without having to be present at both ends.
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>>30380898
I know that, but the idea of going after a single demon lord still stands especially now that they can make the 5th one appear so fast and sandy breathing down our necks politically.
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>>30380911
That would be something to consider.

>>30380642
Ask her about Shel'kaths
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>>30380874
That's what i'm thinking, And it would completely shut out Geralds claims of saying we have only caused trouble. This would be something Concrete to stop this thing.

Remember, SM does not always give he best choices. Though this may not be the best, just a bit higher risk, though it will alleviate risks that will be higher than this down the road.

Taking a risk for the future instead of doing it all out at one time.
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>>30380911
I'm pretty sure she needs to be at the seal to undo it.

Like the three different method things was just who would come with us for the time attack vs Metatron.
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>>30380837
Not worth the chance of breaking the seal, after we recharge them I will advocate taking on the Demon Lord at Jacobs Field.
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>>30380930
true, and getting rid of one before the big battle is necessary since it would stop the casualties on our side greatly.
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>>30380642
Ask her why Abigail?
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>>30380898
>But we just were cautioned against tackling the big bad demon.
More of, SM wants it to be more stressfull and chaotic and rushed and have us follow his tracks.
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>>30380952
Agreed on that. Does anyone else think Pestilence will work horrendously well on the crazy-regen properties and physical might of this particular Lord? What's the chances the Kanians have a Light mage after all?
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>>30380952
we have 1-2 weeks, so what should we recharge, and who should we bring?
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>>30380952
This, we can fight the Demon Lord after we deal with Sandles and spend a day recharging our Shards of Power.
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Guys if we are gonna fight a demon lord lets buy the spirit resistance then.
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>>30380966
With that logic, trying to go off the tracks is a bad move, since he could take another one of Abby's hands.
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>>30381018
What type of damage and magic do they use primarily?
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>>30380996
I am 100% positive that he's not going to be hanging around here if we leave or come back.

Either that, or he'd have some more demon lords with him.
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If we defeat the demon lord Sandy would have already lost because his entire argument relies on the fact there are four demon lord in play.
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>>30381019

We'll Chosen Abby to help prevent this thing from happening.

>Demon Lord Dream Team

1. Us.
2. Abigail and Ila.
3. Yi Fang.
4. Arcturis Flint (Windburn)
5. Steward
6. Hemmelus and Adavan
7. Provisional help from Hecate.
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"I had a few of my own questions for you."

<Ask.>

"Do you know what happened to Leviathan?"

<I do not,> she says. <He sealed himself, as did I. He did not tell me how he would go about it.>

With a Spirit pool nearby, you're not short on mana. You unpocket the crystal of Water you discovered back on aurora. "I'd like to share my suspicions with you. I believe that this is one half of a great stone in which he sealed himself."

Hecate reaches out a hand and touches the stone. Almost instantly, she withdraws, her fingers curling into a fist. <Oh.>

"What is it?"

<...it is him...part of him. He's...been cut in two. He suffers terrible a pain.>

You pocket it for safekeeping. "Any idea why?"

<If he sealed himself within, and tried to hide...I can only imagine that Logi found him,> she says. <I don't know that any power besides yours or Hyperion's could damage Leviathan so.>

"I see. If we can gather the other half..."

<It would, at least, help soothe the pain,> she says. <Imagine being severed in half and unable to die, always feeling that agony of your body laid in two. Has he felt that this long...? I scarce imagine...>

"...I would ask you about Geb, as well, though now I'm having second thoughts."

<It seems to me that Geb's madness has a cause. If the parasite could be removed...but I have not the strength to attempt such a feat. Even should we unseal him from these Aeolus's winds, he would be beyond reason. A problem for another time, I think.>

>con't
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Should we bring Fang and tell him about Hecate? He seemed was chill about bringing the Black Lady into out alliance I imagine that he would be pretty stoked about Hecate joining us.
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>>30381068
This, we really have no reason to not eat this motherfucker
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>>30380969
>What's the chances the Kanians have a Light mage after all?
If we're still assuming that Kullia was intended as a Ring City plant to provoke conflict, it could be entirely reasonable that she either is a light mage, or has access to one.
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>>30381019
Trying to go off the tracks isn't a bad move. SM has said that he wants us to go off the tracks. We just have to not do it dumbly.

>>30381049
This one seems to be a Bruiser with his physical damage RAGE.

>>30380996
If we come back they will have 2 or three here to guard against someone magically popping up again.
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>>30381068
ths is a good, point, but like it was pointed out last thread people are not willing to take risk anymore.
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"I can't help but agree. But about that Demon Lord...it seems isolated, and we could pin it down here. I feel like this might be a good time to take the offensive."

<Isolated?> Hecate asks. She stares at you. <They are all connected, Shadow. They are always connected. If you believe that the strength of one's existence is the same as when four of them exist at once, then you are deeply mistaken.>

"Are you saying I couldn't defeat it, as I am now?"

<I am saying that if you managed to press it back, it would call for reinforcements.>

"Ah. Well...on the note of slowing down Sandalphon's attempt to return Hyperion to Venia - "

<That,> Hecate says, <must NOT happen.> She plants her feet on the ground. <In three days, bring the knight to me. I will remove the shel'kath. A terrible and effective tool, but well within my abilities, once I have strengthened myself.>

"And...I meant to ask you, about me," you add. "It seems you just gather mana."

<Yes, over time, I collect the latent Spiritual energy of the land,> she says. <Is it not the same of yourself, and the energy of Darkness?>

What do you say?

>explain to Hecate the nature of Order and Chaos
>Erebus never told Hecate about his true nature; maybe you shouldn't, either
>some other strategy
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>>30381094
What's the chances she'll be around the Demon Lord we're going to pick off when we do it though?
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>>30381100
It's more like Shadow Master has pretty much flat out said "Don't do this, it's not gonna work."
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>>30381116
>Erebus never told Hecate about his true nature; maybe you shouldn't, either
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>>30381116
>>explain to Hecate the nature of Order and Chaos
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>>30381116
>>explain to Hecate the nature of Order and Chaos
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>>30381116
>explain to Hecate the nature of Order and Chaos
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>>30381138
We do have Erasure
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>>30381116
Well it looks like we won't be taking the Demon Lord now.
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>>30381138
we have erasure, so if things go south we use that,
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>>30381087

>Fang then puts two and two together and figures out we Erebus, that's if he hasn't figured it out already.
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>>30381116
>explain to Hecate the nature of Order and Chaos

We should be very careful about how we break it to her though.
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>>30381116
>explain to Hecate the nature of Order and Chaos

Chick seems pretty reasonable.
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>>30381189
>if things go south
Which he just stated they will.

So is the 7EXP worth the Demon Lord?
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>>30381146
>>30381155
>>30381156

<We are more different than you know, Hecate. You are a being of Chaos, but Erebus was not. He was made of Order and the Void, and gained power by taking chaos and matter into himself. I am the same in some respects - but there is a heart of Chaos within me now as well. It is the human part of me, I think.>
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>>30381116
>>explain to Hecate the nature of Order and Chaos

So we just have to protect Donovan for three days
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>>30381219
FUCK YES IT IS
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>>30381219
yes, it is if it undermines sandy and gives us breathing room.
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>>30381116

Let me summarize SM's post.

>Don't try to fight the Demon Lord
>You will get your shit rocked by all four once the demonic SOS go out
>Don't fucking try to fight the Demon Lords
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>>30381116
>>30381155
>>30381204
>>30381209
We should also tell her that during our recovery we "reforged" ourself with Chaos as a glue for our Order.
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>>30381259
But Muh Erasure
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>>30381219
Are you really asking that?
People used erasure on some one who is less dangerous than a demon lord.
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>>30381259
were going to fight them eventually
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>>30381255
>>30381250
>>30381219
>>30381278
So if we do this I support leading with Erasure and not even bothering to try normal means as defeating it instantly before it has time to call for backup would be best.

Don't let the Lure of EXP fool you.
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>>30381221
<A long time ago, in the darkness, there peace. But there was a light so bright it threatened to grow and consume everything.
Something awakened and sought to destroy this light.

This light was the Chaos of Venia. Erebus wanted to destroy it all at any cost..."
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>>30381274
>>30381280

Uh, not really. We're going to stealth into the Demonic Headquarters and attempt to kill the Mages responsible for summoning the Lords in the first place.

Once the summoner dies, the corresponding Lord poofs back to the Nether. Our whole battle plan is based on this strategy.
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>>30381259
Not if we Insta kill it. If we fail the insta-kill then we bug out since it won't be worth the risk.
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>>30381304
Sure, i would have preferred getting the EXP, but this is a prime opportunity to get rid of a demon lord.
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>>30381326

>one-shotting a being on par with an Elemental Lord

Guys, it's just not going to happen.

I don't think we could have one-shotted Metatron with Erasure.
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>>30381326
With our luck, do you really think we're going to be insta killing a demon lord?
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>>30381116
>>explain to Hecate the nature of Order and Chaos
That said, I'm not fully sure that Erebus had the complete picture of things either. Dude was nothing if not biased.

Shadow mages still exist, after all, and mages needing to replenish mana can do so from from pools of disparate elements without horrible consequences.

It's more likely that even if Shadow is something different from other forms of magic, it's simply that it lies on the far end of a spectrum. Someone who didn't know any better might think that X-rays and visible light were two totally different phenomena, but the reality is that the former merely lies on a side of the electromagnetic spectrum a far way from the latter.

It may well just be a matter of perspective.
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>>30381347
>a being on par with an Elemental Lord
It takes 5 them to be on par, so right now is the best time.
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>>30381304
I really doubt it would work.

Like the event horizon might suck in Hecate or the mana pool into it, or take out our allies.

SM is REALLY putting his foot down on this matter.
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>>30381317
>Once the summoner dies, the corresponding Lord poofs back to the Nether.
No it doesn't. That only applies for low level summons who won't be able to resist. SM stated that there are Control Breaks. These Demon Lord have most likely already made the control breaks.
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>>30381347
I don't think you understand Erasure.
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I don't think we should go after it, but if we DO confront the lord, I support the idea of opening with erasure and getting out right away if it somehow fails.

>>30381347
We could have with a decent roll.
The whole point of erasure is that it devours chaos, aka living things that aren't us.
It's a trade-off. Lose the long-term permanent upgrades and get a free instakill.
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>>30381317
I think it's been stated that if the summoner of a Demon Lord dies, it stays on it's own merits.
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>>30381374
>SM is REALLY putting his foot down on this matter.
How so?
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>>30381347
That's the thing with Erasure. It doesn't care how strong you are or how much power you have. Whatever it touches it Erases. No questions asked.

Atleast that's the feel i got from it.
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>>30381372
Yeah Shadow Element mages don't really make any sense in that light, since souls are made of Chaos, but Shadow=Order, and yet Illa definitely has a soul.
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>>30381392

>betting our whole battle plan on one MEGA ATTACK where we NEED a high roll

How well has this plan worked out for us in the past?

It hasn't. Ever.
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>>30381374
SM is doing nothing.
Hecate is advising against it.
She does not know we have an ability that eradicates chaos in such an effective manner.

It's just a matter of if we decide it's worth it.
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I'd really like to erasure sandypants. In front of a lot of people. They need to witness that.
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>>30381414
>How well has this plan worked out for us in the past?
it did before.
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>>30381414
>Erasure needing a high roll
We just need to not roll three ones.

Which would probably happen.
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>>30381414
>we NEED a high roll
No we don't. And we will have awhile to erase him since Erasure lasts for several minutes. Not to mention that this is a Bruiser that specializes in Melee Combat.
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>>30380572

>players think we can insta-kill a demon lord
>SM writes a post saying that we shouldn't try.
>players just think we can use our "I WIN" button to solve this issue

Your roll was more accurate than you know, friend.
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>>30381419
He is a much less worthy target than a Demon Lord.
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And for everyone trying to say we should fight the Demon Lord here, we're right near a mana pool.

We've been told that nothing on record aside from us is capable of surviving contact with a pool of raw mana.

Rather than using Erasure, it could very well be that taking the Demon Lord for a dip could be a more cost-effective way to eradicate him piece by piece in a way he could not regenerate from.
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Okay, since everyone is being idiots because Erasure is making them overconfident. The problem isn't being able to beat the thing. The problem is that you'll ruin pretty much the entire attack plan we've set up over several threads by attacking it since it'll set all 3 of the other DL on us at once.

We'd be forcing an all out attack on us and our allies before we are ready to stop it.
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>>30381419
Agreed
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We need eclipse for Dynamic Entry if Sandals decides to expose us.

Nothing tells people how fucked they are about to become when the sun's gone.

Meh, I have wanted to get Eclipse since we were chasing after Abby and Adavan.
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>>30381450

The severed arm ALONE forced our entire party to retreat last thread.

Were you not paying attention?
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>>30381476
Let's just not bother.

Just take Abby back to Haven, Chosen her, and then go home.

This will not end well for us.
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SM's done nothing but warn us about how fighting now is a bad idea, if we fight the demon lord, we will end up fighting all four and get our shit wrecked. I highly doubt we'll one shot the bastard and even then, he might call his demon lord friends up before we hit him if we do one shot him. There's too many risks to doing this right now with so little back up.
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>>30381476
Even so.

>>30381484
This is still the best reason not to fight him here and now.
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>>30381484
>3 of the other DL on us at once.
how will they be able to track us?
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>>30381476
Not worth the risk.
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>>30381484
Fucking THIS
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>>30381476

I'm sure the Demon Lord will cooperate by staying in one cohesive form, and not resisting us as we gingerly dunk him into pure Chaos.
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>>30381450
Erasure lasts a couple rounds.

I feel like it could work, but we'd need to wrap around the lord first.
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>>30381503
Yeah fuck it.

He's made his point.
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>>30381484
I'm am sure that everyone back home will be elated that we took one out. No one is going to be mad that we ruined there plan because we made it easier.

When you're marching down the field in football you don't get mad at your running back for busting out and running for a touchdown.
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>>30381511

><Isolated?> Hecate asks. She stares at you. <They are all connected, Shadow. They are always connected. If you believe that the strength of one's existence is the same as when four of them exist at once, then you are deeply mistaken.>
>"Are you saying I couldn't defeat it, as I am now?"
><I am saying that if you managed to press it back, it would call for reinforcements.>
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>>30381511
Have you even been reading bud?
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>>30381484
...Like I said, it's a stupid idea, I just support going with erasure if we decide to fight it.

Most of the discussion I think was just about whether erasure could kill it or not.
It IS basically a instakill attack at the cost of XP, but that doesn't remove the whole "now they all know where you are and that you destroyed one of the buddies they need to break free of the mages" thing.
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>>30381549
It won't work.

Don't try.
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>>30381562
so your saying us killing one of them will make them be able to track us back to arland since we can mana port or open our anchor.
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>>30381549
Let him attack us and then Erasure?
Works

It is still a high risk tough. Id like to propose the plan to our allies and hear their thoughts.
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>>30381557
They'll be mad if the demon lords start attacking now instead of weeks later because we've shown that we're a threat they can't leave alone any longer.
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>>30381576
how about using it and then going away?
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"No," you say. "It isn't. It never has been."

<...you will have to explain.>

"I don't gather latent energy," you say. "I am a being of Order. Well, I was. I gained strength by eating - by consuming - Chaos. That is all there is in this world; Order, and Chaos. They are the underlying principles behind all the elements. Erebus never was an eight element. You were all merely different shades of Chaos."

<...that makes no sense,> Hecate says. <Unless...> She turns from you, and your allies. She walks to the edge of the pool, and stares into its depths. <He lied.>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKiEUeTBvEk

"He did."

<Why?>

"I do not know," you say. "But I do know that Erebus isn't a true elemental lord. He's something different. Something alien to Venia itself. He never intended to unseal you, or Geb, or Leviathan. He only sought to remove you, and destroy the others."

<He was on our side. He fought with us. He fought with me!>

"That was just an excuse," you say. "The only side he was on was his own."

<He spoke of darkness, and of peace,> she says. <You spoke the words to me!>

"His goal was the elimination of every elemental lord, of every faction. He was clearing the deck."

<No. That can't - no!> She turns on the spot, marching back toward you. <No.>

"...I'm sorry. I didn't mean to upset you."

<All those times,> she says. <All my suspicions, the hints! Logi warned me. He told me to look more closely, but you...you weren't always bad. You saved people. You saved my servants. The Black Hand stepped into the line of fire! They - he! He...> She droops. Her arms fall to her sides. <It can't be. It can't.>

"It is."

She stares at you. Sadness radiates from her in waves of Spirit. They feel as though they might smother you. You stand against them.

<...for what purpose? What were his intentions?>

"I don't know," you say. "You know the edge of the truth, as I do. But I know where the answers are."

>con't
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>>30381593
They're gonna tell us not to.
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>>30381587
Then he's fucking wrong. no where does it say that.
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>>30381587

No, but I am saying that three Demon Lord's teleporting to our location will instantly buttfuck us, our allies, and destroy Hecate.

Do you want that? I don't want that.
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Guys given Metatron took double 100s and we still failed to prevent him from succeeding in moving that spell then I have no doubt the Demon Lord will stay alive long enough to summon in reinforcements.
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>>30381557
That's a dumb metaphor.

It would be more like if the running back took off before the QB even said hike.

We attack this, the other 3 attack us, if the other 3 attack us, say goodbye to Abby, Addy, and Ila and probably also us.

You're picking a fight with all 4 DL when you attack one. It is NOT something you do on your own.
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>>30381587
So we just leave Hecate in her tomb to restore her power with three demon lords coming at her?

>>30381580
>>30381593
It'll work fine, that's what it's for, Hecate didn't say we can't kill it and she doesn't know about erasure. The problem is that all of them are linked.
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>>30381605
they are already attacking, they are taking ground slowly.
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<...where?>

"In the Void. From where he came. I saw it in a vision, in the palace - a lone island, of steel and rock and Shadow."

<The place where his power lies. And you have no time to reach it.> She turns back, then, facing away from you. <...we shall deal with the unbidden ones, and Sandalphon. And then we shall find our answers.>

"Yes."

<...if you have need,> she says. <Call.> And then she begins to fade, and is gone.

Adavan stands. His skull holds no expression, but you can feel the sadness upon him, as well, less strong, but in the same way.

What do you do?

>return to Arland
>some other strategy
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>>30381637
>return to Arland
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Should we try and ferret out whats keeping the Black Lady?
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>>30381637

>return to Arland

We got what we came for. Let's meditate on those Shards, Choose Abby, and get our negotiating game-face on.
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>>30381637
>return to Arland
>Chosen Abby
Maybe buy Tree Gift and use it to give Abby the Earth Tree and Ila the Shadow Tree.
>Meditate Shards
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>>30381637
Head to Haven to Chosen Abby first and then Back to Arland via the mana pool.
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>>30381637
>return to Arland
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>>30381637
Propose our Erasure plan to the Allies
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>>30381658

Yes, but unfortunately we don't have the time tonight. We should really meditate on our shards and make sure we're totally prepared for Sandalfaggot.
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Hey guys can we get Heart stone Titan after chosening Abby?
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>>30381637
>Adavan stands. His skull holds no expression, but you can feel the sadness upon him, as well, less strong, but in the same way.
"You know as well as I do that there is no undoing what he has done.

There is only our chance to do better."

>return to Arland
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>>30381664
>>30381678
>>30381680
These.

>>30381684
No. We'd get 3 DL on Hecate's location.
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>>30381637
>>return to Arland
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>>30381637
>Kill the Demon Lord
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>>30381637
Oh wait, return to Haven and Chosen Abby.
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>>30381678
ll is getting the Shadow Magic tree.

She needs to get Eclipse if she is going to lead our Shadow Mages.
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>>30381637
Arland, immediately. No fucking around with the demon lord
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>>30381637
>Chosen abby
>Back to Arland
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>>30381700

he thinks we're getting Heartstone Titan, lol

But seriously, MPV4Lyfe
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>>30381637
>Make Abby Chosen
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>>30381708
Right, forgot that we have the XP to do this 'safely' now. This is a fine course of action before returning to Arland as well.

>>30381637
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>>30381704
Fair enough. I just wanted the others opinion.

It really would have come down to how fast the others could have gotten there.
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>>30381637
Go to Haven so we can Chosen Abby then on to Arland.
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>>30381678
this
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Alright, you'll drop your allies off in Arland then return to Haven to Chosen Abigail.
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>>30381637
Chosen Abigail first at haven then head back to Arland.
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>>30381739
Yep
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>>30381739
Sounds good.
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>>30381739
Haha time to meditate!
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>>30381739
That works yeah.

I did want to know why Abigail was needed to unseal Hecate, but she doesn't seem to be in the move to talk.
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>>30381739
So now that we aren't going to do it.

What would the odds have been on the "Erasure the Demon Lord and the Nope the fuck outta there." 50/50?
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>>30381762
lets ask how long we have before Sandy shows up before we spend half a day meditating.
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>>30381739
and be sure to apologize too, we went with Illa first as she is more combat-oriented and less political, we didn't expect there to be a demon lord right there.

Jealous Abby is kawaii sugoi uguu, but we don't want her getting any wrong ideas.
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>>30381721
not enough exp for that,
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>>30381770

She's part Spirit-summon, man.

Like, her mom was a humanized Succubus.
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>>30381778
He can't tell you that Dave.
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>>30381778
Nobody (except the idiots) are saying Erasure wouldn't be effective.

But Hecate isn't going anywhere and three DLs would know what went down, plus they probably are more intelligent than we give them credit for and might have tracked us down somehow. Not a risk worth taking, as much as I love the writing for Erasures.
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>>30381804
Banshee, anon.
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>>30381804
Banshee not a Succubut
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>>30381834
>>30381848

Oh, that's right. Thank you, anons.

Anyways, she was probably glowing as a reflection to Hecate's SHEER SPIRIT POWER
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Guys didn't abby say that she had an idea on getting us some extra EXP, i think we should let her try before chosening her.
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>>30381899
She's probably going to suggest raiding Fang's shed of odd enchanted items.
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>>30381925
I'm up for it, so lets ask her first, what her idea was.
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>>30381925
That would be entertaining.
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>>30381925
I smell adventure, or a midnight snack.
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>>30381993
we could always go back down underground and eat the hordes of smaller demons being born.
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>>30382009
Or go to xile and farm there as well
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>>30382009
>>30382063
>implying SM would let us "farm" without consequence.
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>>30382081
the only consequence is time anon
and finding things to eat
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>>30382118
Time is a very powerful consequence with the plot in the foreseeable future.
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Here's something that i find odd.

Order is robotic, and emotionless, seeking only to maintain order. Order does not feel boredom or really anything, it will sit for all eternity on it's watch to stomp out chaos.

Chaos is expansion via destruction. Manifesting in the form of demons, they feel no emotions either, or what they do feel is only the urge to expand, kill and self preserve.

Only when you combine them do you get something reasonable and relate able that can have peace with anything that isn't itself.

Seems kinda 40kish, but with a side of "Forge your own peace" instead of "death, destruction, chaos, despair, and indoctrination."
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>>30382137
yeah no shit
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>>30382154
Done you even Shin Megami Tensei?
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>>30382154
But isn't Hecate completely made of a specific type of chaos?
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>>30382164
Feisty now aren't you?
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What's the biggest thing we can consume, anyway? So far we've been munching the odd power source, the errant soul, a demon here and there.

What happens if we just, I don't know, try to inhale the skysever or something.
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>>30382185
he pretty much repeated what i said
>time is a consequence
im also in a shitty mood because ive been ill for almost 5 days straight now
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>>30382183
That's the only thing that bothers me. Demons are Chaos incarnate and reflect that. But the Elementals are something different, They don't really fit into any categories or stereotypes.
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>>30382154
It's not really anything like 40k.
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>>30382224
they create chaos, by just being there.
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>>30382224
Its like a dial from pure order to pure chaos
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>>30382227
The 40k part i was looking at was how none of sides are good and all anyone does is want to kill the other. the Grimdarkness.
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You bring Abigail to Haven, alone.

"Gee, why do you want me alone, Shadow?" She's grinning from ear-to-ear. "Did you eat enough, yet?"

<I did,> you say. You take her hand, and dip your other arm in the shadow mana pool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99L1xDRYxb0

The process is similar to what happened earlier. The Shadow already layered atop Abigail's soul changes...it merges into her sets down roots, becomes part of her.

Her wings flare, and a coating of dark steel plates begins to shift into place over the feathers. They morph over her back, and then up her arms, and around the sides of her head. A panel of purple shadow flickers on her face, giving her a sort of visor through which to see the world.

"...wow," she says. She looks back at her wings, and gives them an experimental flap. "I feel...safer." She turns back, kisses you on the cheek, then hugs you. "Thank you, Shadow. It feels like...I have a part of you with me, now. For real. But next time..." She gives you an eyeball. "Me first."

"I didn't think you were the jealous type."

"Jealous? I'm not jealous. Not even a bit!" She looks at you, and shakes her head. "I'm not!"

"Whatever you say."

"Shut up." And then she kisses you.

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>con't
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>>30382257
But if Demons are one side and Erebus was the other, then where the fuck do the Elementals fall? off to the side?
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>>30382262
Seriously have you ever played Shin Megami Tensei?
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>You've created two Chosen!
>You've unlocked Arbiter!

>Arbiter - Raise one of your Chosen to the status of Arbiter. Your Arbiter has strength and agility far surpassing normal human limitions, and is capable of warping and changing their shape, like you. Their link to Order becomes a bridge, granting them extrodinary magical powers.

You can only have one Arbiter.

>Null Ring - Your Arbiter creates an area devoid of latent Order and Chaos energies, suppressing all magic.

>Shadow Aura - Your Arbiter gains all of your Shadow Aura abilities (light grey and dark grey trees. Exception: the very dark central gray)

>The Voice - Your Arbiter can communicate to you at any time, over any distance, and speak to you and others through Impressions, if they could not already.

>Suicide Squad - Your Arbiter can cast Suicide Squad.

>Sage - Your Arbiter knows all the spells you know from a second magic tree. The tree, once picked, cannot be changed, but their knowledge updates with yours.

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You return to Arland without further ado, and guide her back to her room. The door is open - Ila is there, waiting, her hands folded in lap. She glances up at Abigail, and nods. "You too?"

"I guess we're just his ladies, huh?"

Ila smiles. "You're his lady, Abigail. I...am a sister."

Abigail waves a vague hand. "Semantics."

"If you say so."

"You know, I think Young Bull might have a thing for you. He seemed pretty angry, before..."

"Young Bull?" Ila raises an eyebrow. "I think he's too...muscley, for me."

"Goodnight, you too," you say.

"Good night, Shadow."

"Night!"

You walk back to your room.

Adavan is there, laying on his bunk, hands folded behind his head. He's not sleeping - just resting. Probably better not to bother him...

What do you do?

>bug Adavan with questions or concerns
>meditate on a shard (specify)
>do something else to pass the night
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>>30382273
>these feels
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>>30382284
In between
Keyword:Dial
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>>30382294
No
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>>30382284
Do we know for sure that Order exists and Erebus isn't just completely insane?
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>>30382296

>suggest places for Adavan to take Hectate out on a date
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>>30382296
Ila for Arbiter.
Let the political blocs form!
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>>30382296
>>Arbiter - Raise one of your Chosen to the status of Arbiter. Your Arbiter has strength and agility far surpassing normal human limitions, and is capable of warping and changing their shape, like you. Their link to Order becomes a bridge, granting them extrodinary magical powers.
>You can only have one Arbiter.
>>Null Ring - Your Arbiter creates an area devoid of latent Order and Chaos energies, suppressing all magic.
>>Shadow Aura - Your Arbiter gains all of your Shadow Aura abilities (light grey and dark grey trees. Exception: the very dark central gray)
>>The Voice - Your Arbiter can communicate to you at any time, over any distance, and speak to you and others through Impressions, if they could not already.
>>Suicide Squad - Your Arbiter can cast Suicide Squad.
>>Sage - Your Arbiter knows all the spells you know from a second magic tree. The tree, once picked, cannot be changed, but their knowledge updates with yours.
I kinds want to Arbiter lla. It fits her so much better, but Abby will be Jealous.
Ehh, doens't really matter since we may never actually do it.
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>>30382302
It's Order Vs. Choas: The Game.
One of the main themes of the franchise is balance.
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>>30382273
>meditate on a shard
Resolve
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>>30382296
Meditaaaate
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>>30382296
>Suicide Squad
So anyone know what this could be, since it looks like a power we can get ourselves.
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>>30382328
shes our general, duh shes going to be the arbiter
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>>30382348
It's the thing that's in between Shadow Bomb and Army of Darkness.

It's also that thing Silence does.
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>>30382296
Meditate on a shard.

How many can we do? two?

if so then Hammer and Resolve.
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>>30382336
Eh.
Ila for Arbiter. Abigail is getting a fucking Artifact hand.
I'm so excited to find out want Artifact Hand will be able to do.
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>>30382296
>meditate on a shard (specify)
Resolve

Holy guacamole that Arbiter. I still want Eclipse and OI more though...
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>>30382296
also shouldn't chosen skills be half cost now?
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>>30382296
>>meditate on a shard
Let us meditate on the art of SMASH! and how we may use it on Sandalphon's head so that it may ring like a bell. Meditate on hammer.
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>>30382296
>>Null Ring - Your Arbiter creates an area devoid of latent Order and Chaos energies, suppressing all magic.

THAT HAS TO BRANCH OFF VOID RING

AOE NIGHTBLAZE FIELD

PLEASE PEOPLE LET'S GET THAT
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>>30382364
it looks like a good power to have.
>>
Abrigail and Ila are probably still mortal.

Whomever you upgrade to Arbiter probably will not be.

The feels: Let our little sis die of old age and wither, or the waifu?
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>>30382368
So am I.

>>30382369
Mp5 an dEclipse
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>>30382366

One. You don't even have half a day left but I'm being generous.
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>>30382368
>Artifact hand.
Fuck that
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>>30382395
Judging by the Angels I would imagine servants are time immune immortal.
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>>30382401
SM please awnser
>>30382370
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>>30382296
>>Null Ring - Your Arbiter creates an area devoid of latent Order and Chaos energies, suppressing all magic.
That's the spell the Demon Lord used.

I bet we can use it ourselves if we find it in the Shadow Magic tree.
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>>30382370
Also wondering this.
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>>30382395
>still mortal.
Wrong right now they are similar to Auriel, going one step further changes them into dave/sandy
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>>30382406
It's a reasonable idea, given that it was our fuckup that cost her the hand in the first place.
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>>30382401
Then Relsove. We shouldnt need hammer but a nice NightBlaze will Come in handy.

>>30382406
We already told her we would.
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>>30382423

No.
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>>30382296
>meditate on a shard Resolve
>>
If we use Arbiter on Abby, then the artifact hand is useless.
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>>30382440
I still can't believe that joke has gotten so much support.
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>>30382447
O-okay
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>>30382447
Darn. One can dream, I suppose.
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>>30382406
We talked about it long ago, and a clear majority was in favor of fixing it - and the only way we know of right now is to use Artifact.

But, maybe opinions have changed.
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>>30382296

Meditate on Resolve for Nightblazing.
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>>30382349
If we make Abigail our arbiter we won't have to waste an Artifact fixing her hand, plus i doubt she would enjoy picking Ila over her did you just read what she said about her first next time.
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>>30382456
Yeah. But lets save this debate for later.

>>30382461
It wasn't a joke.
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>>30382445
>We already told her we would.
No we told her we would try to fix her hand, not that we would artifact it.
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>>30382296
>meditate on a shard (specify)

Any one of our weaker ones.

Also, i'm with the Arbiter lla idea.
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>>30382461
Because it's not a joke, anon

Just because you don't like the idea doesn't mean it isn't valid.
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Roll 1d100 to meditate on Resolve
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Why give Abby an artifact hand when we can give her a pirate hook when she inevitably loses an eye to the lurking 1?
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Rolled 83

>>30382484
ZEN ZEN BABY.
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Rolled 13

>>30382484
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Rolled 97

>>30382484
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Rolled 35

>>30382484
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>>30382469
But we told her we would AND Arbiter costs 50 EXP.

We may never even do it, better to get her her hand now.
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Rolled 22

>>30382484
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Rolled 41

>>30382484

Rawling.
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Rolled 57

>>30382484
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>>30382496
>>30382497
>>30382505

THAT'S what I'm talking about.
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>>30382296
>>Shadow Aura - Your Arbiter gains all of your Shadow Aura abilities (light grey and dark grey trees. Exception: the very dark central gray)
Well that fucking explains it. Dave had Hydra. He was just healing off all the damage from our cutting attacks immediately.
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>>30382496
>>30382505
Noice.
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Rolled 59

>>30382496
>>30382505
Awww yeah.
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>>30382487

I would rather safe the artifact and give Abby Arbiter
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>>30382476
Unless there's something even higher than Arbiter, then no.

Abby was very specific.
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>>30382296
>>Shadow Aura - Your Arbiter gains all of your Shadow Aura abilities (light grey and dark grey trees. Exception: the very dark central gray)
How does this work with Schattenkrieg, exactly? Or is that technically still within the Agility tree?

Does it require them to be airborne with their wings, or does using it mean they can they fly via aura even when their wings are "put away"?

>>30382496
>>30382505
We Resolved now.
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Wait....Wait just a moment....

Hecate said she would fix up Adavan. What if she can do the same thing with a hand?
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>>30382505
>>30382496
Empowered?
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>>30382509
Because its over kill and a complete waste.
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>>30382296
>>30382521
>Exception: the very dark central gray
Do you mean OI and Pure Darkness + that darkest swirl, or only the darkest swirl?

Cause if Arbiter has access to OI and Pure Darkness, then holy shit that good.
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>>30382531
>even higher than Arbiter.
>we shard her

NOW SHE CAN FINALLY BE WHAT SHE ALWAYS WANTED, ONE WITH US.
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>>30382535
Schattenkrieg is is in the agility tree, we had to get it to get the tree completion
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Rolled 47

>>30382484
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Poor Hammer-kun
still broken
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>>30382537
This is a good point.
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>>30382520

Oh, right.

{Resolve} - Empowered

>>30382535

Schattenkrieg is in the Agility tree. It's unique to you.

Only your drill can pierce the heavens.
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>>30382537

No, her preview is spirit and that has mediocre healing at best, Leviathan would be the Elemental Lord to go to if we wanted to fix Abigail's hand that way.
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>>30382530
Same here, it seems like a pretty big waste to use artifact on something as small as a hand when we could just create a fleet of artifacts
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Based SM.
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>>30382531
I'm sure that if we sit down and talk we can work things out.

I don't think we would want to go full Tentacle monster anyway. Balance between her and Us.

We wouldn't want to overpower her.
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>>30382574
yet people want to rush it and waste an artifact.
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>>30382547

Your Arbiter does NOT have:

>Schattenkrieg
>Pure Darkness
>Order Immateria
>the really dark thing you can't see yet
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>>30382550
>Abby shard
That would be something.

And remember that Dave got the Moonsong from Erebus, so buying Arbiter probably unlocks a "Shard Gift" ability or something.
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>>30382590
How hype should we be for the darkest of dark, SM?
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>>30382590
I'm sorry, I need you to clarify. What is the really dark thing we can't see yet?
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>>30382544
It would help her beyond just getting her the hand we caused her to lose.
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>>30382610
>this guy
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>>30382608
I too want to board the hype train SM. At least give us an appropriate Doompaul to describe it.
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>>30382610
>email field
NOT TODAY RUSEMAN
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>>30382589

I don't, I would much rather wait and go with using Arbiter on her, or having a chat with Leviathan about it after we free him.
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>>30382608

Pretty fucking dark.

>>30382610

Ahahaha, good one.

Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>30382579
>>30382589
SM will balance the artifacting with other artifacts and make it give her some serious bonuses or maybe some other really cool shit that i have no clue about.

We've had this discussion before.
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>>30382629
>>30382608
SM was pretty hype for the skill after the gravity control in the earth tree saying that he can't wait until we get it.
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>>30382614

you know, you might be the first namefag in this quest where I disagree with literally every conclusion you make.

Artifacting the robo-hand is a fucking waste of time if she's going to be Arbiter.

Not to mention artifacting a fucking prosthetic is an incredible waste of an extremely, extremely useful power that we only get to use 3 times.
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>>30382640
Damn, I almost had you, too, if >>30382626 and >>30382631hadn't called me out!
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>>30382640
>Pretty fucking dark

With that I shall be voting to spend as much exp that is needed to get to there.
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>>30382608
Well, Hydra lets us auto heal all damage from cutting attacks in the next turn.

Then OI makes us immune to physical damage.

So DARKEST DARK AS MY SOUL probably has something to do with magic damage. Or raw damage potential. Or it gives massive bonuses to everything.
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>>30382590
Also kind of curious as to how Darkness Within works when they don't have access to Berserk.

Does it just grant them the improved Berserk anyway, or is it functionally useless much the same way the Physical Shadow Tree resistance bonuses would be if we were to pick up Mirrored Resistance?
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>>30382634
Do you have any idea how long it will be before we have that kind of EXP? A very long time. A very very long time. And we already told her we could do it.

It is the IC thing to do
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>>30382669
...it's the power that let Erebus basically makes Darkness itself his bitch.

My god.

H-help.
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>>30382671
If Big, BIG if we manage to eat all 4 demon lords we might get enuohg xp to delve inot OI.

Maybe.
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>>30382644

Sorry but a giant air ship that eats magic, or a impenetrable fortress of darkness sounds like a lot better use of artifact then whatever a hand could do.
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>>30382660
Not that I agree with him, but Artifact makes the target awesome.
It would be an awesome prosthetic, with cool magic powers and shit.

Fuck, Artifact could turn tableware into a deadly army-killing weapon of destruction.
I do want to start brainstorming ideas to use our remaining Artifacts on, though. I'd like to actually USE them before the quest ends, and get use out of the resulting items.

Artifact Steward. He'll never need another mobile platform again, no one will destroy his Shadow platform.
No, don't do this.
Probably.
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>>30382695
Did your keyboard get up and move halfway through that?
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>>30382702
It dispenses Frogurt!
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>>30382677
>>30382681
Clearly it's what we must do.

>>30382683
I would say No to spending are limited resource on a hand. There are bound to be other ways to do it. Hell, we are thinking of bringing back the elemental lord of water aka healing master.
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>>30382660
1. she may not be Arbiter but lets wait on that.
2. It will be many many many threads before we have that kind of EXP and we don't want Abby to have to go that long without a Hand
3. We already told her about the Giving her a special "Shadow" Robo-Hand.
4. It isn't a waste, SM said that he will balance the artifacts. He will make it so that it does some cool and crazy shit to her hand/her in general, new powers and shit. Hell it may even be a way to loophole in 2 Arbiters. though i doubt it.
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>>30382715
I like this idea
What about using artifact on the Heartstone titan if we make it?
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>DARKEST DARK AS MY SOUL
>mfw
That's what I'm calling that unrevealed swirl from now on and forever.
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Can we get Earths Gift?
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>>30382723
Yes, its decidedly not because I forgot which finger goes first when typing.
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>>30382746
I'm opposed to Heartstone Titan so fuck that.
I hate robots.
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>>30382715
What, if we artifact city 001's massive secret weapon?
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>>30382743
>3. We already told her about the Giving her a special "Shadow" Robo-Hand.
source, where we in character told her that we would give her an artifact hand?
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>>30382743
It is not up for debate, she told us flat out that she's got next power up.

Are you really gonna go "Nah."
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>>30382746
>not the construct we get after heartstone titan
Do you even want shadow gundam?
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>>30382731
But that will be long after the Demon Army fight and Dealing with The Ring City and probably the trip to the Void
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>>30382754
We think there's something to unlock behind that black blob, but in reality the black blob IS the thing we unlock.

BLACKER THAN THE BLACKEST BLACK TIMES INFINITY.
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what if we artifact an artifact an artifact
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>>30382776

THIS is actually a good fucking idea.

Steward says it's a big retarded attention-grabber - Artifacting the whole damn robot is a great idea.
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>>30382788
I'm seriously betting its a resistance or something, just for SM to troll us.
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>>30382743
To be fair she seems to be holding up pretty well without the hand so far.

We also have slightly more urgent matters to worry about at this moment. Something about demon lords if I remember correctly.
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I want to buy Void Ring because that will surely lead to our own Null Ring.

Think about it. It's the thing the demon lord used.

AoE NO MAGIC FOR YOU LOL FITE ME PHYSICAL BRAH.

Force everyone into a fistfight with Shadow. Who can beat Shadow in a fistfight, no magic allowed?
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>>30382779
gimme a sec.

>>30382785
If we explain everything to both of them and sit them down and ask for a rational decision then i will follow hat Abby asks for. But i would still like to explain the situation to them.
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>>30382774
It's ok anon, I understand
>>30382788
Yeah, waiting for a better robot would be a better idea
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So why is her losing a hand so detrimental to her powers?
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>>30382812
Eh, I'm sure they'll wait for us.
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>>30382788
How an artifact that creates magic items
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>>30382819
>Who can beat Shadow in a fistfight
No one. Which is why we are best at Melee.
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>>30382832
It's not. Everybody just feels guilty about it.
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Have a vote while I write:

EXP remaining: 28

Buy Tree Gift? (15 EXP)

Vote 1:
>yes

Vote 2:
>no
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>>30382850
2
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>>30382832

It's not. It's purely cosmetic for a mage of her caliber.
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>>30382850
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>>30382850
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>>30382850
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>>30382850
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>>30382850
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>>30382857
>>30382846
So artifacting something like that because of cosmetics and guilt.
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>>30382850
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>>30382842
I miss when melee was king. Sure, fourteen flavours of magic are fun in their own way, but just murderizing bitches is the best.
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>>30382857
Ehh, not completely and the hand would give her Crazy powers.

I think if we gave her that she would be okay with not being Arbitered.
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>>30382850
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>>30382776
Oh my god

I could totally support this idea
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>>30382850
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>>30382883

You're underestimating artifact.

Yes, it's just a false hand. But it's the ability itself that is the real power. Whatever you choose to artifact WILL be awesome. It'll be awesome. It'll be awesome.

Don't worry so much about artifacting the wrong thing.

--Shadow Master Official Seal of Awesome--
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>>30382850
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>>30382850
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>>30382850
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>>30382850
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>>30382931
YOU'RE TREADING A DARK ROAD SM!
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>>30382931
I wish to artifact our belt pouch.
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>>30382850

cutting off votes
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>>30382931
I still think a hand would be gay
I want it to be something epic, like an airship
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>>30382931
If we artifact some a then regret it can we eat it and get another artifact slot?
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>>30382931
So if we artifact a giant robot that was made by our friend than said robot would be a huge boon to the upcoming battle with 4 demon lords correct?
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>>30382931
Will it conflict with the shapeshifting powers of Arbiter in any way?

If you say "no" or if you Dave me, I will staunchly oppose all artifact hands and you won't get to write the awesome.
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>>30382931
What.

You literally told us before that we only get three permanent uses. And to THINK about what we used it on.

Who sent you? You're not SM!
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>>30382931
>Don't worry so much about artifacting the wrong thing.
FLY TO ARLAND POSTHASTE. APPROACH THE KITCHEN. BADGER THE SERVING STAFF UNTIL THEY LET US IN. ARTIFACT LEFTOVER DUMPLINGS. USHER IN A NEW FRONTIER OF TASTES.

YI FANG WILL LOSE HIS GODDAMN MIND.
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>>30382953
I would rather start dumping exp onto the road to Darkness Within.
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>>30382883
I was for the artifact hand before we knew arbiter was a thing, because it's really the in character thing to do.
But now that we know arbiter exists, and since she wants to have it, AND it would make her very similar to us which works wonderfully from the whole relationship angle, I see no reason to use something that could make a fucking invincible airship on a hand when we can just give her shadow blob powers.


ANYWAY here's my bright idea.
Let's try fucking TALKING to her about it.
Tell her we have this now, tell her just how much it can change her.
Ask her if she wants to abandon more of her humanity of if she'd prefer a shiny hand.
Instead of debating it among ourselves and pretending she has no say in how we use our artifacts or XP on her.
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>>30382951
2nding
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>>30382931
>--Shadow Master Official Seal of Awesome--
yup this is a warning say to be careful.
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>>30382985
Pure Darkness*
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>>30382931
sorry doubt it can trump a Fortress of Darkness/The Nemesis, and i would like to save an artifact or two if shit goes wrong with the Seal or other bullshit happens when we could just give Abby arbiter or have a talk with Leviathan about it after we free him.
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>>30382931
Right, so, we Artifact the fake hand, and then we artifact 003 and have it push Sandalphon's shit in.
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>>30382850

11 for no!

Alright then, based on popular opinion, it's time to choose!

Vote 1:
>Tree Gift

Vote 2:
>Magic Power V

Vote 3:
>neither


>>30382974
Look, I just didn't want to you run off and do something retarded like -
>>30382979
aww fuck
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>>30382970

You guys can keep arguing about the hand, but I'm on board with the Gigantic Robot Artifacting train.

It would be a great strategic choice and could really turn the tide of the battle especially when the 200 foot robot unstealths in the middle of the Kanian Army
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>>30383018
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>>30382970
I think it most seriously would, however I doubt SM would change his plans for it being a temporary help, that would be insane to have a giant robot the entire time. I'd imagine he'd give it the Iron Giant ability to pull itself back together, however.
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>>30382931

>Artifact a rock
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>>30382971

No. Why would it?
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>>30383018
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>>30383018
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>>30383018
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>>30382956
You have pleb taste.
Legendary -personal- weapons are the stuff good epics are made of. The Moonsong in SQ. I reality, Durandal, Gae Bolg, etc.
And on a practical level, you can't bring an airship or a giant robot to a lot of the fights we get in.


One benefit to Artifacting Abigail's hand and Arbitering Ila is that they -both- get a super power personal ability, instead of one or the other being bereft. Though we could of coruse make an awesome weapon and give it to Ila after Arbitering Abigail for the same effect.
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>>30382985
>>30383006
Do we even know what we need to do to get it unlocked? It's still red for some reason
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>>30383018
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>>30383018
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>>30382931
You have firmly set me into Artifacting Abagails new hand.

It might just make her on par with Arbiter. Or just make her an Arbiter without using up our arbiter.
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>>30383018
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>>30383018
Since everyone probably missed it but it's the logical thing to do, I'm gonna ask if we could do this next time we have free time with Abby:
TALK TO HER, tell her about Arbiter and about how fucking awesome the hand could be, let her make her own decision.
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Just you try it, see what happens.
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>>30382986
>invincible airship
It ain't invincable. It doesn't even have weapons. It was indanger from the dragon from Xile.
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>>30383040
>>30383079
You've given me an incredible idea
>Artifact the core
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>>30383018
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>>30383079
Can we artifact the secret weapon?
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>>30383079
We create Geb 2.0? Shadow Boogaloo?
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>>30383079
I REALLY want to see what happens
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>>30383068
I think i'm slowly growing to hate you, I have disagreed with you on everything but a combat choice here and there.
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>>30383051
It's still red because the tree connected to it is still incomplete.
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>>30383109
Yeah I don't like him either, but at least he's energetic? I mean some namefags are just cunts
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>>30383018
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>>30383050
If we are talking about artifacting a personal weapon then we should look for something better then the mechanical hand.

How about something off the wall and kick ass like a flail or a suit of armor?

>>30383018
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>>30383044
I don't know why it wouldn't, but I'm sure you could think up a reason for it not to. You're the master of this realm and all that jazz.
I'm sure that you can see that you have that power, I just wanted to know if you were going to grab the opportunity to cockslap us with it.
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>>30383018

cutting off votes

MPV it is
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Hey guys we have enough to get earths gift, so lets get that.
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>>30383109
He's the new shitty namefag. We lost the other two.
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>>30383097

>Core of Venia becomes perfectly impenetrable
>no magic in or out
>Venia dies a slow, dusty, draining death without magic
>finally, on the last day, a tiny spectre of a shadow evaporates
>it was all for nothing
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We generally get a special power after finishing a tree, yeah?

Then why the fuck haven't we bought Earth + Wind Resistance?
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>>30383151
Th-Thanks
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>artifact ourselves
>artifact someone's dog
>artifact a person
>artifact a nation
>artifact a continent
>artifact the sky
>artifact the sun
>artifact a demon
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>>30383136

Nah, seems like a stretch. I can't imagine powerful shadow magic interfering with additional powerful shadow magic. Rather, they'd compliment each other. So, no, I won't cockslap you with that.
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>>30383141
I vote we get Kindle as well.

As least some progress to Pure Darkness would be nice.
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>>30383141
sm pls respond
>>30383075

It's cool if you want to call a vote or something but I'd at least like an acknowledgement that you won't go with whichever of the two the players suggest without first telling Abby that she has two options.
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>>30383079
>You artifact a rock....the soil around it begins to warp, no, it's more than that, the earth itself is changing. You look around you, in the horizon you spot it. An enormous arm. You have created an earth golem. The entire earth golem.
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>>30383141
lets see whats behind door number MP5

in b4 we get meele magic void cutters
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>>30383163
>artifact the sun

PERMANENT ECLIPSE?
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WHAT IF WE ARTIFACT A MANA POOL?
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>>30383158
>>30383158
A very good question.
It's no doubt the same reason we haven't completed the grey tree.
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>>30383170
>>30383173
>Artifact Venia
>The plot is resolved
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>>30383180
what if we out a mana pool in our pocket or on the nemesis
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>>30383166
>Artifact on an Arbiter would boost the power of both, making Abby greater than the sum of her parts

HANDS FOR THE WAIFU!
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WHAT IF WE BUILD A SPACE STATION
I fucking hate that we never went through with that, or wheel skeletons
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>>30383169
>It's cool if you want to call a vote or something but I'd at least like an acknowledgement that you won't go with whichever of the two the players suggest without first telling Abby that she has two options.

Do you have so little faith in me that you think I'd write Shadow walking up to Abigail and thrusting a magically enhanced fake hand on her stump whether she likes it or not just because the players voted that way?

For god's sake, man, give me some credit here. My IQ is above room temperature.
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>>30383163

>artifact The Shadowy Appendage
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>>30383200
Fuck off with that bullshit.
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>>30383201
In an alternate universe, We played evil overlord Shadow. We also wiafu'd Ila, and made Abigail our loli angel of darkness and despair.
And we built that space station. And artifacted it. And rained wheel skeletons from the sky.
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>>30383213
24 degrees?
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What if we make a strapon for Ila and artifact it
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>>30383241
She can make all the dicks she needs once we Arbiter her.
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>>30383233
Sounds METAL as fuck
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>>30383241
it would no longer be strap on
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>>30383241
What if we make a demon strap-on for Ila and artifact it?
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>>30383266
Don't you have a status update to be making?

>inb4 YES MOOOOOOMM
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Perfect
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>>30383266
Is this really any worse than fentanyl patch anon?
Also, fuck you fentanyl anon. You make me sick.
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>>30383213
No, no, I just thought it might end up something along the lines of:
>players vote for hand
>Shadow tells Abby about new hand, doesn't mention Arbiter
>She gets hand, never knows she could be shadowblob waifu
Or the other way around.

I guess that's doubting you too much too, though. I dunno, these guys have me paranoid about stupid things happening.
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>>30383266
just take some bubblegum tasting cold medicine and drink it with sone 5 hour energy to get your humanity back, also don't forget the sunny D.
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>>30383233
Don't forget the part where we took the full summoning tree, CONSUMED the 3 lesser elemental lords, and then Hypersonic Schattenkrieg'd Ring City from orbit.
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>>30383166
>I can't imagine powerful shadow magic interfering with additional powerful shadow magic.
Wasn't Vonnegut's hat enchanted with Shadow magic that naturally opposed our own Shadow abilities?

It's not entirely unprecedented for powerful Shadow magics to oppose each other rather than naturally working in concert.

That said, everything points to that it was specifically created to protect against other shadow magic, so who knows.
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I want Arbiter for Abby. Its suits her so well.
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>>30383316
Compared to Ila?
.... How?
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>>30383266
Welcome to 4chan.
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>>30383233
Also colony dropped Xile onto the Ring City
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>>30383308
It was a variable elemental shield that he set to defend from one thing at a time.

which reminds me.

FIND VONNEGUT

STEAL HIS HAT

ARTIFACT THE HAT

TEAM HAT! TEAM HAT!
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>>30383316
It fits lla better, since she is our sister
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>>30383316
I agree.
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>>30383290
I just don't like people talking about the Artifact Hand as a way to get around not using our Arbiter ability on Abby, even though we saw how jealous she got of Illa being picked first, and another "one of three" is a lot less exclusive than "can be only one".
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>>30383316
I kinda want it too, Queen of shadows and all that
But it would be more useful on Ila
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>>30383316
It really suits lla better. Looking at combat and powers and how she Needs to be able to lead our Shadow Forces.

Abby can be uber special marysue via Artifact hand.
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>>30383339
Team Hat!
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>>30383316
It suits Ila better.
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Now you've gone and reminded me of how much I wanted Vonnegut's hat.

We could set it to Light and I bet that would pump our resistance up a tier or two.
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>>30383342
I really feel like we should sit them both down and explain the entire situtation to them

But I honestly think that it may be a loophole into getting a second Arbiter.
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>>30383388

I honestly think that when Shadow Master says we'll only have one Arbiter, we'll only fucking have one.
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>>30383342
This, we spent the entire quest with Abby why are we going to give the best damn thing we can give to Ila?
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I once thought that SQ had been blessed with a mild, unspoken waifu battle. We didn't have huge vocal blocs form that derailed the quest. Sure, there were opinionated anons on all sides - but we restrained ourselves admirably compared to other quests.

But now, I see the truth. The waifu war have only just begun.
All because of Arbiter.
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>>30383355
>>30383388
It probably does "suit" Ila more.

But there's a romantic element to the quest with Abigail now, and she's said that she wants the most powerful. Not only is it the best keeping the plot in mind, since it makes Abby and Shadow more similar and, I guess "compatible," but because we'll never hear the end of it from her if we don't.
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>>30383339
> Something about it changes. You're not quite sure what. You're sure it's enchanted. Perhaps it has the ability to change what kind of protection is offers? Or it has more than one function?
I know we thought this at one point, but every single time I can remember it coming up it was protecting against Shadow magic.

In addition to
>A bit of his own magic heals it for good, leaving the slight pink of new skin in a streak where his coat was torn. He adjusts his hat. "...it's been a long time since something made of Shadow got to me." He glances at you. "Exceptions notwithstanding."
it seems more likely that it was primarily protection against Shadow, maybe with minor secondary functions.
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>>30383406
Let's just arbiter Dave again
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>>30383423
How about let's never create an Arbiter?
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>>30383355
>>30383381
Consider just how far down the line it will be, until we have 50 XP all at once.

Arbiter will probably just be for the final boss battle, or at least not before Act 5.

And Abby seems determined to stay near the front lines.

Illa doesn't need Arbiter so long as we buy all the Chosen abilities.
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>>30383424
I still want the hat.

We could give it to Flint, if nothing else.
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>>30383434
>Just take my blessing again you...YOU DOUBLE ARBITER
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>>30383423
Typical woman, only wants us so long as we're giving her Nice Things.
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>>30383437
Hear hear, I just want my OI and to call it a day on massive spending.
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Guys you are forgetting one simple fact about Ila vs Abby. Ila has battle experiance in the real world. Abby doesn't. She needs more power then Ila does.

Also there is the fact there is only one Arbiter and its an even closer bond then Chosen is. Remember Chosen welds our power to their souls. Arbiter probably makes us even closer.
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I like Abby for Arbiter for one reason alone.

It will let her take both the Water and Earth trees, letting her use all four elements.
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>>30383458
Don't fluff it up, we all know the real reason is what >>30383453 said.

Banshee girls are high-maintenance, bro.
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>>30383455
Exactly. In truth I don't care and I think it would be better to never give anyone that ability.

All aboard the ORDER train.
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>>30383458
... Ila's experience is WHY she should get it.
She'll be able to fucking use it.
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>>30383437
I can get behind this, I feel like we're behind on XP anyways.
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>>30383316
I agree
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>>30383441
Which is why we should get Abby her artifacted Hand now. It'll help he now instead of putting off helping her until way fuck when in 50 threads.
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>>30383473
TOOT TOOT
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>>30383475
Exactly.
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>>30383473
Yeah, really. It's gonna cost tons of exp just to get to that darkest of darkness, and we shouldn't waste exp until full erebus
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A current list of what we want. Did I miss anything?

>Pure Darkness + Order Immateria
>Ray of Darkness + Void Ring + Eclipse + Null Ring
>Spirit Tree
>Earth Tree
>Heartstone Titan
>Physical Shadow tree
>Shadow Bomb + Army of Darkness + Suicide Squad
>Chosen abilities
>Arbiter abilities
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>>30383468
Water tree kind of sucks though?
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>>30383458
This is also another reason to give her the hand. Abby needs something to make up for the lack of battle experience. It would automatically cement her position as head of archon and give her some serious power in this alliance.
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>>30383473

Also on board the Order train.

Arbiter just might be too much power to give to a single human. Look at Dave and Sandalfag - both huge fuckers.
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Seriously though.

Can we actually start to try to get ORDER and ignore everything else?
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>>30383475
Except she can make better use out of what she fucking does have.

And you really should stop thinking about it as a percentage buff, and consider the emotional value of the bond.

Is this another case of Shadow having more Humanity than the players?
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>>30383510
Earth + Wind resistance might be required to get Pure Darkness and OI
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>>30383510
summon tree, it has been shown to be the cheapest of the trees.
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>>30383510
DARKEST DARK AS MY SOUL ability
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>>30383527
As long as we can expand out shadow magic a bit along the way.
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>>30383513
It's good when combined with the Grey tree.

If Abby doesn't suffer injury like a normal human, then the regen and healing skills are actually good.

Also the Tree Gifts transfer the completion bonus skills, so she'll be able to regen Hp and mana in water and stuff.
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>>30383510
>listed literally everything currently available to us
>except for Summoning
I like the cut of your jib.
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SO MANY POSTS

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKING BACK BUTTON SHORTCUT FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

...........alright. I'm going to start writing that all again.

Next post is last post, but it'll be a long one.
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>>30383475
>>30383498
I agree that it's the more tactically sound choice, but you keep ignoring the simple fact that, in character, Shadow olevs his waifu, and she just got super jealous over us giving Chosen to Illa first. If the THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE goes to Illa, there will be relationship problems, and even if the players don't care about it, Shadow would.

That said, giving Arbiter to anyone at any time in the near future is a stupid idea anyway, so it doesn't even matter!
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>>30383527
I'm down with that
Shadow doesn't seem shadowy enough yet
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>>30383527
then try to finish the spirit tree.
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>>30383536
I think it is exactly that anon.
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>>30383475
we have this argument every time, the other side of the argument is that it's BECAUSE she has less experience she should receive arbiter so she is less likely to die, it makes even more sense now because Shadow is romantically involved with Abigail now.

And I REALLY don't want to waste a Artifact on a stupid hand.
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It may or may not actually happen but I would like to say that OPERATION: ORDER is now in effect.

All aboard the ORDER train.
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>>30383557
Something something something get notepad+ something something something.
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>>30383539
So there's two possible ways to get Pure Darkness.

>Earth+Wind Resistance
>Finish Physical Shadow tree
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>>30383527
No. I say we get some usefull abilities. like the Shadow Magic tree.

It actually makes us stronger instead of buying a bunch of decent but really varied abilities with a big bonus at the end..
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>>30383536
I'm aware of the emotional garbage.
I just don't care, because people are going to be fighting and retarding our effectiveness for emotional reasons will get someone killed.
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>>30383557
>writing posts in-browser
SM pls.
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>>30383527
Sure, right after we get summoning.

Pfffahaha
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>>30383580
It's the Physical Shadow tree.
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>>30383557
rekt
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>>30383583

I'm lazy.

I paid the price.
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>>30383536
IC is giving Abby the artifacted hand now.
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>>30383580
It looks like Earth+Wind Resistance is required for OI but Shadow tree is for Pure Darkness
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>>30383557
Notepad++, you fucking retard

And I mean that in the kindest way
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>>3038352
Except Abigail is much more likely to be killed than Illa at any given time.

Given Illa is stealthy like ninja already.

And Abby... is not.
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>>30383603

You seem to be the only one actually pushing it, man.
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>>30383560
See>>30383603
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>>30383582
>We should do something that the main character would not do because it damages a relationship just because it's a more "effective" investment.
metagame much
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>>30383569
on a character stand point i agree with you, but Muh Ila Shadow Commander/Sister/Waifu
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>>30383606
OI looks like spirit tree to me.
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>>30383631
we metagame all the time, and shadow has been shown to be blunt.
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>>30383643
Wait how? Spirit tree isn't connected to the darkness trees.
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>>30383643
What? No it doesn't.
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>>30383631
>Don't give her the Artifact Hand because Arbiter will fix it when we get it eventually way later!
>Don't metagame!
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>Implying the shadow understands the full implications of Arbiter
Metagaming much people.
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>>30383629
But I we wan't to waste an artifact on a prosthetic hand dumby, do you understand.
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>having OOC thoughts
Way to meta-game people
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>>30383713
Byt we *don't want
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The only argument for Ila is because she's a shadow mage.

The only argument for Abby is hand creation.

In the end this just feels like a waifu war.
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>>30383713
For fuck's sake it won't be a waste.
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>>30383662
So you honestly think he'd ignore what Abby wants?
I'm not really into the idea of blowing that much XP on anyone, but if it went anywhere that's the place it would end up going from Shadow's perspective.

>>30383690
I never said anything about not giving her the hand.

>>30383696
He understands enough about his abilities before he uses them, he apparently somehow knows he only has three artifacts since he's not artifacting everything in sight, he should understand that he only gets one Arbiter.
He had a grasp on how Servant works before he used it.
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>>30383731
That's because it is
I thought you guys were better than this
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So who else is bothered by the tiny patches of black scattered over the skill tree? They're all small enough that they can only hide one ability each.

>Void Ring leads to ???
>Mind Read + Enslave leads to ???
>Reinforce leads to ???
>Heartstone Titan leads to ???
>Order Immateria leads to ???

Might just be my OCPD, but I absolutely have to know what's under them.
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>>30383715
>stop with the Metagame discussion about possible important future plot points
>lets shitpost instead

shut up namefag
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>>30383771
The void ring branch is a Light Resist.
The other Light Resist is somewhere past Shadow Bomb.
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>>30383757

No, but an artifacted Giant Robot would be a much better impact on the war.
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>>30383771
>>Void Ring leads to ???
Null Ring for sure.

MUST BUY IT
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>>30383731
>>30383769
If it's just a waifu war than people should just give it to the canon waifu. This is dumb.
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>>30383769
We've gone full knob
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>>30383779
sorry i hurt your feelings anon
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>>30383771
I want to get earths gift.i wish the summon tree group didn't die.
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>>30383713
SM said it wouldn'r be a waste.

He literally could not have been trying any harder to tell us how awesome it would be unless he actually told us.
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>>30383779
I am 90% sure he was trying to mock the other guy who was calling people out on metagaming.

I mean...
>having OOC thoughts
That seemed serious to you?
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>>30383779
Are you that bad at subtext or are you pretending to be retarded?
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>>30383791
We already have one of two Light Resistances.

We need Fire Resistance, too. That's probably our weakest next to Light.
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>>30383792
We can do that as well.

And at the same time, it's important that we have a party of extremely powerful individuals to deal with the party of extremely powerful individuals on the other side.
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Arbiter is for whoever Shadow wants at his side. Since he's already picked Abby to be that person I don't see why people think Ila should get it.
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>>30383810
I'm only for it as long as we also use Arbiter on Abby.
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>>30383833
Maybe I'm blind, but I only see one Light Resistance.
We have 2 of 3 LightNING resist, though.
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>>30383853
fuck that noise, i would rather artifact the secret giant robot, and arby abby.
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>>30383853
...
I understand people who would say use the hand, then we could possibly arbiter later because they both apply.

But, could you please explain your logic about only supporting both?
Not trying to passive-aggressively call you out or anything, I'm honestly curious.
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>>30383757
In my opinion it will be, we don't know what the future holds we might need an Artifact or two to fix the Seal if it get broken, or some other horrible thing SM throws at us, and if we do use Artifact on something I can think of much better things to use it on than a hand.

especially if we have other possible options to fix her hand without using the Artifact in the first place.
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>>30383861
There's two Resistances for each element, and each tree completion bonus probably counts as the third.
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>>30383869

You and me, bro.
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I want /m/ to leave
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>>30383894
Same. Steward and City 001 already have a bunch of giant robots, they don't need ours.

The EXP would be better used on ourselves.
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>>30383879
This is factually and observably incorrect.
We can see three Lightning Resistance purchasable abilities.
We can see three Spirit Resistance purchasable abilities.
We can see two Water and Earth Resistances each plus a Water/Earth combo purchasable ability.

The three resistance levels are all abilities, not tree bonuses.
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>>30383908
>>30383894
It a better plan than actually buying heart stone titan and artifacting it immediately.stewards version is probably the one after titan.
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>>30383877
That's not my position. I'm just saying that I don't like the idea of using the Artifact as a consolation prize to not use Arbiter on Abby.
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>>30383878
If Giant Crab Syndrome is your reason, I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise.
But I am going to disagree with you.
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>>30383919
>Water and Earth Resistances each plus a Water/Earth
You mean Wind. The Water tree has 3 waters And the completion bonus gives even more resistance.
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>>30383930

Agreed again.

Steward's giant robot is objectively superior to our potential giant robot. Why not artifact the better robot?
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>>30383853
We shall put that off until we both speak with both f them, and we have enough EXP
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>>30383940
Right, that.
Mistyped, my bad.
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>>30383919
>We can see three Lightning Resistance purchasable abilities.
>We can see three Spirit Resistance purchasable abilities.

What. I only see two of each.
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>>30383944
I'm up for it.
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>>30383933
Oh, ok, that makes sense then.
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SM, pls at least show us the new ability tree.
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>>30383963
I'm going to make you a picture anon.
Gimme a minute.
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>>30383944
Good idea. But our own giant robot would still be useful.

And to the anon asking about the hand from earlier this is what i found.

>"Is that so?" Fang asks. "What do you have in - " He stops. His gaze shifts. His eyes darken. "Abigail...your hand."

>Abigail folds her good hand over the loose sleeve hanging over the end of her left arm. "...I'm glad it wasn't my life."

>"Who, or what, was responsible?" He turns a glare on you, and despite yourself, you feel a small twinge of fear. "What have you done?"

>"It isn't Shadow's fault," Abigail says. "We were in over our heads. We all were. Shadow has promised to help me fix it."

>"Fix it," Fang says flatly. "He's promised to help 'fix it'. That's it?"

>"Yes," Abigail says. "I don't need anything else." She looks at you and smiles. You swell with warmth.

I feel spoiled after wading through that waifuwar in thread 71.
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>>30383944
Why not Artifact Steward's central computer?

Might spread to all of City 001.
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>>30383969
>>30383944

I will support if I have your future votes to Arbiter Abigail when the time comes.
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>>30383999
I feel as if we should talk to Steward first.

Like he's seen the Nemesis right?
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>>30383990
I couldn't find where we told her we would fix it though. Unless we told her that while we were still on Xile.
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>>30383999

Alright, the Great Waifu/Artifact Pact is thus

1) Abigail gets Arbiter
2) Steward's Giant Fightan Robot gets an Artifacting.

All agreed?

Good.
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>>30383985
Fuck. No need, I found the third Lightning Resistance. Searching for the third Spirit Resistance now.
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>>30383999
I'm already voting for Abby Arbiter.
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>>30384020
No. The giant robot lust is fucking stupid.
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>>30384020
Fuck that shit
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>>30383956
There are two schools of thought here, the tactical and the emotional.

For Ila:
Tactical: she is more skilled at combat and would make the most use of it
Emotional: she might be a little more happy, but she accepts that Shadow loves Abby.

For Abby:
Tactical: she is less combat-skilled and more important on the political scene, and needs the protection.
Emotional: She wants as much as we can give her, has already shown jealousy over smaller things, and will grow closer to Shadow if they are more similar.

The tactical standpoint is debatable, both sides have merit.
But since there are two aspects to consider, unless you can point out how giving arbiter to Ila benefits Shadow's relationship with both of them, there's no point in discussing the tactics behind it.
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>>30384020
I don't see why we need a pact.

Artifact hand is not a consolation prize for not Arbitering Abby. Artifact is not a consolation for Arbiter at all.
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>>30384020
Nah.

1. Abigail gets artifact hand
2. lla gets Arbiter
3. Giant Robot get artifacted

Spread the love.
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>>30384036
Where do you think the Fire Resistances are going to show up? Earth Tree or the Demon branch of the Summoning Tree?
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>>30383557
You know you are fucking idiot right? I know you do.
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>>30384052
Ila is also the leader of our army of shadow mages.
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>>30384020
I really think Steward has better things for us to Artifact than a giant robot.
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>>30384061
summoning tree since its red and all the other resitances have been similar color to the tree you find them in.
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>>30384061
Early on, I thought Earth. But there's not enough Earth Tree left for the Fire Resist to make sense there. SM likes to spread them out, they'd have to be clumped on one path.
So, I think they're hidden in the summoning tree.
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>>30384058
Are you literally autistic?

What is not being grasped here?
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>nobody wants to arbiter Donovan, the original and one true bro
sad times when the hoes have come before the bros
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>>30384052
don't forget about how Shadow would want to get abby her hand now because of guilt and knowing that it would give her a massive power boost instead of waiting for fucking ever for something that we may not get to in time to benefit much.

From there Abby may be willing to let lla get arbiter because she got the Artifact hand.
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>>30384080
So... you're going to keep discussing tactics, which are debatable for both sides, and ignore the point of my post?

Unless you're just adding information, that's cool.
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>>30384091
>>30384061
the better question is where is light resistance.
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>>30384102
This is a joke right?
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>>30384092
>>30384091
Welp. Since very few people want summoning tree, I really hope Metatron was the only Fire-elemental Highest.
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>>30384101
He pastebinned an entire essay about setting examination.
Yes, he's autistic.
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>>30384102
Donovan is light.
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>>30384105

Shadow would understand that the survival of fucking Venia outweighs her personal feelings towards his waifu.

Stop playing the in-character card, it's not accurate.
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>>30384102
>lightborn
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>>30384080
She is already at Auriel's power level now, and I would much rather Abigail be at God level than Ila.
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>>30384102
As awesome as it would be to have Best Friends Forever Buddy Cop Arbiter shenanigans, it totally fucks up his Light magic, which is really impressive when it's not getting shit on by a parasite.
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>>30384109
Shadow Magic Tree. Light Resistance 2 probably branches off of Void Ring. Light Resistance 3 probably branches off of Suicide Squad.
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>>30384105
>Oh hey, he gave me a kickass hand, so I'll be okay with him giving the girl I was just jealous of the ability to be MORE LIKE HIM, which is exactly what I've wanted!
If you want to debate arbiter or artifact, that's fine, but stop suggesting that it's a fucking consolation prize. If she lets Ila get Arbiter, there's going to be a damn good reason.
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>>30384101
The most IC thing to do right now is to get Abby her Artifact hand. From there, Waaaaaay down the line when we are prepared to use Arbiter, we will sit Abby and lla down and explain the entire situation to them. Now depending on exactly how crazy good the artifact hand is for Abby (Which SM went to incredibly great lengths to say how good it would be) she may be willing to let lla be Arbitered.

But if Abby still want to be Arbitered after this then we give it to get.
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>>30384052
There isn't even much tactics behind the decision.

Skills like The Voice, Suicide Squad, and Null Ring work well with Abigail's summoning/supporting fighting style as much as the shapeshifting and Shadow Aura work for Ila.

There is no tactical advantage to who we give Arbiter to. This is literally just a waifu war and we've already picked a waifu.
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>>30384115
I still don't see why people are so agianst since its our cheapest tree to get right now.
32 xp for what we see and we can guess another 20-30
Short of the chosen tree it is the cheapest tree to get.
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All this autism, people, holy shit. It's not that fucking serious, lighten up. I realize this quest is great but chill out.
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>>30384160
SM has implied that giving her the Artifacted hand may well make her just as strong as Arbiter would.
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I think Null Ring probably branches off of Eclipse, not Void Ring. Or it might branch off of something connect off their branches.
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>>30384165
Okay, at least this is somewhat reasonable.

But then don't say things like >2. Illa gets Arbiter
because that's going against what you just said.
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>>30384189
You underestimate the power of the dork side.
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>>30384173
>Null Ring
Will specifically work for lla when she leads the shadow mages.
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>>30384148
we should start getting it since we are planning to go after the angels soon.and hyperion is gonna get summoned
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>>30384160
This.

Seriously. Why don't you fuckers just give Ila an artifact weapon and let Abby have Arbiter?

It fits way more to give Abby that ability and giving a super awesome weapon for the actual person trained in melee-combat makes more sense.
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>>30384173
Null Ring is bad for Abigail considering how much she relies on magic.
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>>30384189
>Our Arbiter choice
>Not serious
This is the most serious of things.
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>>30384188
Personally, I support getting Ray of Darkness and Void Ring. They're less expensive than some of the shit in the Earth Tree and they give us powerful ranged combat options.
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>>30384198
>It's going to be awesome
>This will somehow invalidate that Arbiter makes you shapeshifting and shadow-oriented, which is similar to what Shadow is now and is something Abby would want, to become more like her husbando.
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>>30384206
That's the ideal situation.
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I want to finish the Spirit tree already.
It's probably got a swanky Magic tree bonus.
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>>30384226
If we give lla an Artifacted weapon right now Abby will be soooooo pissed. And promises of power waaaay down the line won't be enough to placate her.
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>>30384221
>Anon points out that it works well for both
>IT WORKS WELL FOR ILA
Why are you so set on the Ila train, exactly, I-anon?
You're pretty hard-set on it.
>>30384245
For you, apparently.
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>>30384241
what does void ring do agian?
Also i'm up for it, but after earths gift.i want that fucking decimate.
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>>30384198
it's a shame that Abigail does not give a shit about a powerful weapon and instead wants to be more like her Elemental Lord husbando.
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>>30382296
>Null Ring - Your Arbiter creates an area devoid of latent Order and Chaos energies, suppressing all magic.

I just realized something. Null Ring has no stated time limit on it. It just rapes all magic in the area forever.

Remember that place that was rendered magically inert, supposedly by Raijin fighting Hectate?

I think that was actually Erebus / Dave pulling a sneaky plan.
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I can't take Inquisitve Anon's opinion seriously because he's been drooling over Ila ever since he put his name on.
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>>30384262
I hate you.
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>>30384262
>right now
Nobody said that.

Ila lost the war a long time ago, stop trying.

The few other Ila supporteds (who seem to have fallen off) at least used some sort of logic, you're just really into Ila for some reason.
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>>30384244
Man. If we'd kept Abigail as our daughteru, we could have had something like the Death/Death the Kid dynamic.
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>>30384244
Not invaidate, but it may be just as good.

Hell the shapeshifting and shadow powers don't really fit with how she fight now anyway. The Artifacted hand would probably be better suited to her powers as is.
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>>30384259
it also has a mechanic that SM threw away, but might bring back.i sympathize with him, hell he even made it our starting tree and yet people ignored it.
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>>30384262
You're pulling that out of your ass.

Abby would be even more pissed she doesn't get the power that makes her more like the love of her life compared to a new toy.

Do not pull the jealousy card you hypocritical fuck.
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>>30384262
How about instead we save the artifact and just Arbiter Abigail later if giving Ila a weapon now will make her so jelly.
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>>30384268
>Void Ring - annihilate the area around you and warp it directly into the nether. Costs 20 mana. If immediate destruction is resisted, 15 base magic attack. Max range 10 feet; hits all targets in range.

If only Decimate wasn't stuck behind at least 30-40 EXP worth of abilities.
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>>30384262
God why are you such a faggot
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>>30384263
I was saying that Null Ring doesn't work for shit for abby because it cancels magic and shit only uses magic. But it works fine for lla because her shit is all physical based.
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>>30384290
That'd be great.
But she went in the magic age machine, so we work with what we've got.

I'm pretty sure this is just Inquisitive Anon v everyone at this point.
It's a shame, I liked the pastebin for what it was, got a few good answers from it, but it looks like he's gone full autist.
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>>30384277
I take him seriously as a threat to our side of the argument, because he does more harm than good by trying to explain his reasoning.
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>>30384320
Ila will get Null Ring anyway from Tree Gifting her the Shadow Magic tree.
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>>30384276

It probably will have a time limit, but well. We could do something like have all our chosen and arbiter sitting in our shadow casting aoe nurf spells and night blazes. Throwing bombs out from time to time.

After what SM said, I'm assuming the shadow hand is going to be able to cast some extremely powerful spell at will or have a MASSIVE defense modifier.

SM, when we made than hand, can you please tell us exactly what it does?
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>>30384311
2-3 abilities max, so i say around 20-30 xp instead.
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>>30384288
See>>30384165
if that ain't logic then i don't know what is.
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>>30384312
Remember what SM said about insults?

>God why are you such a faggot, at least you've got pretty lips.
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>>30384339

You don't know what logic is.
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>>30384328
I agree with his position, but for different reasons.
I've withdrawn from the argument for now though, because IA has made such a buffoon of himself that I would rather wait until a time when his sperg doesn't draw everyones ire to bring it back up.
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>>30384320
Null Ring can easily be used as a support AoE to null enemy mages for physical fighters to move in.
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>>30384292
She wants to be more like Shadow dipshit, she could care less about SUPAPOWERFUSHADOWWEAPON if she had the choice between it and to be more like Shadow instead.
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>>30384330
He was the first tripfag i ever filtered and i play in quest with the fluff provider and subroutine.
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>>30384339
Nobody who agrees with you is defending you're line of thought.
See >>30384351
You're alone in this one, may as well drop out before we start thinking of you like that one guy who got caught samefagging.
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>>30384347
Oh shit I'm sorry I forgot about that. I'll make a point of it every time I tell him to fuck off
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>>30384335
the shadow hand probably has a leash permanently tethered to us that she can reel in at will and automatically plays whip cracking sounds when appropriately funny\sad
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>>30384338
Counting Earth's Gift and Decimate itself, the path to Decimate is already at 18 EXP. And I highly doubt that the abilities in between are going to be cheap.

It's a tossup between more attacking options or more debuff options.
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>>30384339
>citing himself for his own arguments
My sides, where have they gone?
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>>30384352
Not if she has to cast if like the Demon lord did.
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>>30384351
please name the reasons.
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>>30384355
>could care less
COULDN'T CARE LESS
I agree with you but PLEASE learn English anon please you're triggering me.
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>>30384339
You are an idiot.
Please disappear.
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>>30384378
i just didn't want to have to retype the same thing because you were saying almost the same thing as the other anon
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>>30384351
well for you then i shall lose the name.

Jesus christ you guys know how to gang up on a guy. If i as anon i would get near as much hate.
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>>30384389
sorry English is not my native language, it gets even worse when i'm raging.
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SM, just give Abby the choice of getting the hand or waiting on Arbiter and have us stick with it.

This is a stupid.
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>>30384370
And, of course, using Decimate costs 30 frigging mana, equivalent to max-power Nightblaze and Void Ring combined. Right now, even Eclipse would be less expensive to use.
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>>30384427
No, your stupidity is pretty identifiable.
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>>30384429
>SM why dont you make the choices. in fact just write a novel and save us the trouble
you are stupid
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>>30384429
>not giving her the choice of getting their hand and then giving her the choice of Arbiter later when we have the XP
Do you even protect her smile?
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>>30384428
Don't feel bad. Native speakers fuck it up all the time, too.
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>>30384451
>Benevolent Dictatorship
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>>30384451
I agree with what you're trying to say, but I really do wanna see some novels by SM.
Which he's working on getting out there, so I guess that'll happen someday!
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My autism will pierce the heavens!
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>>30384427
IA, you've been an unrepentant Ila fag since you've showed up and you're arguing with such bullshit logic that we can only conclude you want to waifu Ila.The fact that you have a name just makes you easier to yell at, not any more hateable.
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>>30384444
Good thing we just bought MPV.
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>>30384427
than drop your fucking idiotic name and stay anon.
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Ok, I've finished writing, now I just have to edit through and space it out properly, do some music selection, maybe?

Here is Magic Power V!

Magic Power V - You now regenerate mana faster while in dark areas, and slowly while in lighted areas. You regenerate to 2/3 of total mana.

Mana: 76/76
EXP: 3
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>>30384481
Buy ghoul
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>>30384464
He takes control when we do something blatantly out of character.

He does not make every decision for us.
Example: Matthel.

We could have had a slightly better shot if we didn't let him open his big mouth.

>>30384427
It's not that people inherently hate namefags. It's that the kind of person it takes to put on a name at all and sheds their anonymity tends to also be a massive attention-whore. And it makes it even easier to hate you when we see you being stupid. Like you are right now.

We already know that you're the only Ilafag left talking atm, so don't think you can hide now.
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>>30384481
FUCK. There goes our ability to use Erasure.
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>>30384481
Depending on that last skill in the Spirit Tree, it's now the cheapest one to complete.
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>>30384502
I'm still butt blasted about Matthel.

I wanted to heal him enough to speak, but leave him way too hoarse and raw to do anything more than whisper.

Fuck.
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Since we're on OI plan lets get Kindle.
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>>30384481
i really want to go down the right side of summoning and the bottom side of it(sum I-II etc...) to see if it gives us anything from that white tree(hecate one)
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>>30384530
>it begins
MUH KINDLE
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>>30384545
>muh Fae
>muh Ghoul
>muh Earth's Gift
>muh Dream Eater
>muh Ray of Darkness
>muh Sock Puppet
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>>30384481

Lets get Kindle. Because PARTY TRICKS!
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>>30384570
I want to finish trees dammit.
Hang this servanting nonsense.
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>>30383151
Was I one of them?
Am I now?
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>>30384502
I personally hope our dictator would kind enough not to fuck up our relationship with Abigail by not using Arbiter on her and instead Ila when she just said "her first" a couple of posts ago.
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>>30384481

I really want Ray of Darkness or Shadow Bomb.

Ray just sounds awesome and we have seen Ila but those bombs to some pretty fucking amazing use.
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"Shadow! Shaaaadooooww!"

You blink yourself out of your meditation. Joey bursts into the room and falls on his knees, breathing hard. He's decked out in his armor

- he almost looked like an Arlandian knight. His blue ribbon is tied high on his shoulder. "I mean, John!"

"...maybe I can play it off as a nickname," you mutter.

Adavan sits up. "What is it, boy?"

"The angels. They're here. Four airships! Four!"

You jump out of your bunk. Your clothes waver, and unwrinkle themselves. "Where are we meeting?"

"Up in the main audience chamber, the same place you all came the first day!"

You and Adavan speedwalk with Joey up the hall. You meet with Fang and his councilors in the stairwell. "You feel that, John?" Fang asks.

"Yes."

"Remember," Fang says. "Sandalphon is powerful. Like a bull, yes, but a very strong bull. Check yourself before you taunt him."

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Lets get ghoul or fae.
The former is a shadow subject so it might unlock something better, and the latter unlocks 2 things.
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>>30384607
You're still here, so you're not one of the shitty namefags who left.
I was talking about Nevermore and Sorry.
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>>30384339
The problem with this logic is that it's just deception. You want to give Abby the hand, and then later down the line tell her about Arbiter in hopes that she'll just stick with the hand and let Ila have the one thing she would want most.

If you sat Abby down and said "I could give you a hand now with Artifact or I could give you a greater part of me that I can only give to one person that will essentially make you more like me and let you regrow the hand with your new shapeshifting powers later" She would pick Arbiter over Artifact.

Your plan is basically to trick Abby into giving up Arbiter.
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>>30384607
I can at least tolerate your presence, you are a known 100 roller.
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>>30384612
>"The angels. They're here. Four airships! Four!"
We should have saved the xp.
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>>30384612
IT'S TIME
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Everyone's already in the audience chamber. Donovan has taken Tyrael's station on the Nemesis, and the angel is now amongst you. Arcturis is seated on his thrown, tapping his foot on the stone dais. Everyone else is standing with their arms folded. Waiting. Gerald and Prule Waterford stand off to the side, whispering.

You can feel the approaching power. Sandalphon's light is like a star brought down from the sky. And amongst them, a few points of Water. But mostly Light. A lot of Light.

The wooden doors open. Sunlight floods into the audience chamber. A Herald standing amongst the guards cups his mouth to his hand.

"The Prince Quas Deva, and the Lady Uluad Deva, of Atlantis!"

The two Atlantians are the first in the room. The young woman is as Joey described - noble and elegant, and strikingly beautiful.

THe Prince Deva is clearly of regal stock. His walks with his chest proud, almost stiff in his gait. His armor is ornamented with beads, ribbons, and even feathers - he'd make even the most decorated Arland knight look like a street thug. His skin, and hers, have a faint blue hue. It reminds you of the slight green hue elves share. Perhaps it has something to do with their magic.

>con't
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>>30384609

We just need to romance her a whole lot. Then after the deed is done, we sleep on our airship(I can never remember the name for some fucking reason) then after a week or so she will forgive us.
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I still want to Servant Joey, I'm willing to wait but that little fuckers earned a boost
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>>30384592
It's funny, because nobody was really suggesting getting Arbiter done now anyway.

There was just a little discussion as to the hand and arbiter, it wasn't until IA started his waifu-resurrection crusade that things got bad.
Let's blame it on the scapegoat and move on in anonymous brotherhood.

inb4 anon is legion bullshit
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>>30384612
Thank goodness he's as stupid and impulsive as a bull, too.
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>>30384623
At several times i suggested sitting everyone down for a long chat before doing anything.

But that whole thing has been dropped for now.
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"The Highest, Raphael Lightchosen! The Highest, Anahita Lightchosen! The Highest, Charmeine Lightchosen!" The herald takes a breath. His face shines. You imagine that what he's about to say isn't something he says too often. "The Most High, Sandalphon Lightchosen, of the Ringed City!"

>con't
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>>30384638

They are exp. what are you talking about. So nice of him to bring us a snack.
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>>30384640
>seated on his thrown
shame
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The angels stride in along with the prince and princess, taking their time to get across the wide room. "Raphael, Anahita, and Charmeine," Auriel mutters. "Damn bastard."

<What?> you ask.

>con't

>>30384664

fuck you i tried
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so who is willing to bet that Atlantis has the other piece of leviathan?
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>>30384671
<3
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"...he didn't bring his cronies. Well, excepting Anahita. But the other two...he's trying to hit me where it hurts."

She doesn't have time to explain more. A man rushes the Herald a note. The man looks at it. His face goes pale.

>con't
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>>30384612
>You jump out of your bunk. Your clothes waver, and unwrinkle themselves.
Fuck, disguising your clothes with the amorphous shadowstuff that composes your actual body is so, so useful.

>>30384656
For those that need a refresher; Raphael is the one who could potentially be on board with our agenda given time and effort, Anahita is the one who hates Auriel's guts for some reason or another (and at least partly because she's just super jealous and a bitch), and we don't know a goddamn thing about Charmeine.
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>>30384671
>Raphael
didn't he die?
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I wonder if we can sneak off and go eat all those ship dynamos.

Well all except one. We'll pocket the last one to restore the ship we stole.
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>>30384672
It's been all but confirmed that they do.

>>30384671
Who's the bastard? Raphael or Charmeine? Sandalphon?
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>>30384672
I bet its that special magic stone we read about
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>>30384672
I think that's pretty much a certainty at this point.

Maybe SM's fucking with us though, who knows?
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>>30384696
That was Raziel.
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"T-the Black Lady, of v-Vampiria!"

The Black Lady sweeps in the doorway, without sound. She's dressed in darkness and fine silk. She feels, as before, like nothing.

She glances at the herald. "An admirable attempt. Thank you." The man is forced to lean against the doorframe to keep his legs from buckling out from under him.

The room is stunned. Sandalphon wears an amused smile.

The Black Lady finds your eyes. <Fear not, Shadow,> she says. <He invited me openly. I saw an opportunity to accomplish my task of making an appearance, though I do not know what he's planning.>

<Neither do I.>

>con't
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Who else what's to mark off to sandalphon the lightchosen we've killed when we eventually have to fight him?
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>>30384693
>its the Black Lady
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>>30384672

I would bet more than anything that it is true, even abbys other hand. We should talk to them about it when Sandalthong isn't around.
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>>30384672

The other piece of Leviathan is the Atlantian Key Stone People, put two and two together for once.
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>>30384720
OH GOD
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>>30384720
AHAHAHAHA

Oh, Sandalphon.
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>>30384720
>The Black Lady finds your eyes. <Fear not, Shadow,> she says. <He invited me openly. I saw an opportunity to accomplish my task of making an appearance, though I do not know what he's planning.>
>
><Neither do I.>

We should REALLY be telling her that we overheard that Sandalphon believes her to be "managed" right now, but we're mid-update, so I dunno how that'd work.
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>>30384724
...Shit, son.
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An unanounced entourage remains outside. You note angels, and the Black Lady's personal guard, and a cluster of Atlantians. No one's here alone.

Uluad's gaze locks on Joey. She gives him a small smile, and a slight wave of her hand. He doesn't seem to know what to do about that, and awkwardly waves back.

They new party approaches the dais. Arcturis stands from his seat and steps forward.

There's a long, awkward silence.

Sandalphon is the first to speak. "My greetings, Lord Flint. I've come to honor our alliance, and friendship, and assist Arland in its time of need."

"As do I," prince Deva says. He gives his head a slight bow. "Atlantis will not be silent for your plight."

"A weight off my shoulders, to be sure," Arcturis says. You're not sure if that was sarcasm or not, but if it was, he hid it well. "But you bring someone else to my step. Someone uninvited. Against whom I owe a significant amount of blood, and then some!"

His voice echoes through the room. The Black Lady remains poised, and silent.

"This is true," Sandalphon says. "But I have set aside my grudges for the greater good. Surely you can set aside yours?" He opens his palms. "I think of this...as an opportunity for peace. To set aside old grievances, and face our common foe, together. I know your pain, Arcturis. I was there, in that war. I was there when your grandfather died. But I was also there when the Lady Black assisted me in patching the core of the world, and preventing the unthinkable. The demons are the enemy of all. She has legitimate interests in extending a hand in aid."

"...admittedly, well said," the Black Lady says.

Arcturis is silent.

<...that sounds like what I said,> Abigail thinks to you.

<Yes, it does.>

<What is he playing at?>

<Maybe he's trying to scoop your own strategy?>

>con't
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>>30384722
I don't think we even know all their names.

We ganked a ton of the shitbad angels without even knowing who they were.
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>>30384745
i know, if only I'd read faster I could've beaten SM
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>Sandals thinks he can get Vampira on his side.
I don't have the image, someone get me the "dis gun be good."
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>>30384750
>this nigga
He gon get it
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>>30384720
><Neither do I.>

BULLSHIT. Shadow is not stupid enough to forget to mention the threat. WE are not stupid enough to not tell her about it right now.

This is the nat 1 isn't it, she is going to walk up to Sandalthong and get impaled isn't she?
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<But...that just plays into my hands,> she says. <The whole idea was to try and make it positive, infectious. Build momentum. He's doing my work for me! What are we missing?>

<...I don't know.> You feel uncomfortable admitting ignorance in quick succession. It feels like Sandalphon has you on your heels. You didn't expect kindly reason from him, that's for sure.

"And let us say you are unpursuaded," Sandalphon continues. "Shall the Lady's offenses cause you to condemn an entire country of people? Surely they are not her? The world must gather together in this dire hour. Or have you not yourself accepted Archon as a friend and ally."

"NOt a friend," Arcturis says. "But you have your point. You did not see fit to alert me to our...additional guests?"

"I thought it better to make it a pleasant surprise," Sandalphon says.

"I couldn't agree more," Yi Fang says. He steps next to Arcturis. "Better to ask for forgiveness than permission, hmm?"

"I can't argue that."

"Such a change of heart you've had, Most High. I'm glad you've joined me in turning over a new leaf. They say you can't teach dogs new tricks, but I suppose we're both exceptions to the rule. Or perhaps," Fang says, his gaze dragging over Raphael and Charmeine, "more even-keeled minds won out?"

"I wonder that you do not think me even-keeled for choosing to ignore your insults, Archmage."

"Even the stupidest of dogs settle down if you give them a steak to chew on."

They lock glares. Everyone in the room tenses.

Sandalphon settles back on his heels, and smiles. "Your wit never fails to amuse."

"That's a shame."

>con't
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>>30384772
>>30384771
he is planning something.
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>>30384751
I meant just the ones in the top 14.
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>>30384750

tell the Black lady that Sandalphon means to summon Hyperion.
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>>30384774
We need to explain that entire situation to her, anon. She doesn't know about the Sigil at all.
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>>30384783
>>30384774
I think this WAS his plan. To bring the Black Lady in on the side of Ring City.
He doesn't know she's with us.
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Sandalphon's gaze turns. "Where is Matthel, my Lord Flint? I had looked to see him."

"He's otherwise occupied," Arcturis says. "With the Lord Waterford, who has gone north to attend to his forces personally."

"I see. And young Donovan? I've heard nothing but praise for the...Demonslayer."

"Coordinating between Waterford and the Duke Vellik's remaining troops, in the Great Forest."

"Is that so."

You don't think Sandalphon buys that explanation for a minute, but it seems he's letting it slide for the time being.

He looks at Auriel. "...Auriel."

"Sandalphon."

"We must talk, later."

"We can talk now, if you'd like," she says. "I care not to discuss it in public."

"I do."

"I don't. If you have something to say to me," Auriel says, "you can say it right here and now."

And there's that tension again. Your jaw aches from being clenched.

"I will say this," Sandalphon says. "Now is not the time for task-taking - not until after the demons have been banished. But before I let bygones be bygones, you will suffer the consequences of insubordination, and of the destruction you wrought."

"It was not of my making," she says.

"Was it not you that stole the Noiralev to aid the rebel Shadow Mages?"

"You built a bomb under the city and then complain when it blows up under you? And rebels? You mean escaped slaves."

"Like I said," Sandalphon says, "a discussion for another time."

"I'll stop talking when you stop talking."

"Sandalphon," Charmeine says. "What does she mean? I would hear what Auriel has to say."

"Suffice to say that the lense of interpretation is deeply tinted," Sandalphon says.

Auriel snorts, but lets the matter drop.

>con't
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>>30384780
Sandalphon ignored an insult from Yi Fang.

SANDALPHON.

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON.
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We need to walk up to the Black Lady and say "Ah! You've arrived early!! It's a shame you've spoiled my big reveal, it was gonna be quite something"

or something along those lines
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SHIT IS ABOUT TO FUCKING GO
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>>30384780

...Sandalphon is way too fucking calm.
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>>30384817
You tend to give fewer fucks when you believe you're on the brink of complete and total victory.
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And then Sandalphon's gaze turns to you. "...and this...must be the infamous John Nyx."

You stare back at him. His eyes burn with Light. Yours are dark with Shadow.

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TO BE CONTINUED
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>>30384812
While they're distracted!
>CONSUME
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>>30384817
He thinks today is the day that Hyperion gets summoned, that's what he thinks.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>30384812
So we might have Charmeine and Raphael with us.
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>>30384817

we are in public in Arland, if was an ass to everyone all the time i doubt he would be highest.
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Sandy thinks he has won. He has the entire world united. Demons are at the walls. And he is going to unveil Hyperion himself at the Grand Finale.
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>>30384836
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

thx for the thread SM love your work
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>>30384836
<I wonder if you will pose more of a challenge than Raziel, Lucifer, and Metatron.>

Then just sit there and watch him foam at the mouth.
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>>30384829
Even more amusing than this would be to snag the summoning rod from Yi Fang and invoke it to let her teleport like, twenty feet across the room next to us.

Don't just say she's with us; PROVE it.
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>>30384812
We need to tell Charmaine and Raphael about that shit asap.
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>>30384836
Loving that BGM.

Thanks for the awesome thread, SM.
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>>30384836
420NIGHTBLAZEIT SHATTENKRIEG GAPIN MAW SUPERSONIC COOOOONSUUUUUUUUUUUME
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>>30384857
...He's gonna be more buttmad than I am when xella was introduced.
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>>30384836
HHHYYYYPPPPEEEEE
>GRRR can't wait til sunday
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I'm not gonna say SM is gonna let this be an easy win, but I feel like, with Sandals not knowing that the Black Lady is with us, and not having access to Flint, nor knowing that we know about the summoning and that we ate Metatron; we have a distinct advantage here.

For now, let's stay quiet and let things work themselves out.

>>30384861
And NOT say this.
I mean, I'd fucking love it, but... not smart.
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>>30384857
>BEHOLD HYPERIONS RETURN
>Holds his hands in the air
>nothing happens
>John is laughing his ass off
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>>30384861
don't forget micheal
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>>30384873
He'll ask after Flint before that.
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>>30384843
>Roll for diplomacy
>nat 1
>KILL THE MONSTROSITY

Om nom nom exp.
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IF we still had the xp for an Erasure, I wonder how they would react to us just outright killing Sandals and his posse... and a good chunk of the palace... and probably a bunch of bystanders...

Damn magical black holes and their tendency to just destroy everything.
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>>30384885
Or use espionage to figure out where he is, and kidnap him.
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>>30384871
I don't know, I mean you'd think that the Ringed City would have some means of alerting him that the Sigil was moved.
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>>30384871
Not to mention Hyperion knows next to nothing about who we really are. He HAS to have something up his sleeve too though or this would just be boring.


Anyway, the best way to get momentum back is to have The Black Lady talk to us like she already knows us. It cements us as THE guy who knows everyone.

Hopefully we can also bring up the story we told Hemmelus to everyone else(because let's face it, we're GOING to get accused as being a monster here soon) and talk about Order and Chaos.
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>>30384911

That fucker is under HEAVY guard. I want him in our pocket for the next 3 days.
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>>30384926
Still 2/3 advantages. But if there's a spy onboard Nemesis...
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>>30384911
He probably already knows since we chose to reveal it to a dozen people.
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>>30384911
Do you think it's possible that there are sleeper agents among the angels in Haven that have been playing the long con?
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>>30384946
He's up against hundreds of mind readers and shadow mages better at espionage than him if there is.
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>>30384939

I don't think he knows it exists. But to be safe, lets not let anyone on or off it for a while.
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>>30384929
>THE guy who knows everyone
B Lady: Oh hello John
>omg its Hecate
Hecate: Greetings John
>later
Elf Queen: John, its been to long
Who doesn't this fucker know!?
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>>30384946
Very
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I honestly wonder if he even knows that his second highest is dead.
Still have that little card among the others...
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>>30384946
Entirely possible
>>30384933
I do too, but if we pocket him, we'll drive him insane.
>inb4 that's the price we'll have to pay

>>30384836
So SM, if Dave is already an Arbiter, does that mean we have to kill him before we can get another?
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>>30384946

I'm starting to feel like I'm in MGNQ.

How paranoid do we need to... aww who gives a fuck, SM is gonna screw or save us no matter how paranoid we are.
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The table is set.

It's time to play.

Check your emotions at the door, it's time for poker.

Next thread, either Sunday or Monday night. It's going to be a busy few days for me.
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>>30384974
>MGNQ
Disgusting
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>>30384967
He was Erebus Arbiter not Shadow's
>plus if he was I bet he'd never leave us alone with The Voice
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>>30384964
It's been weeks since Lucifer went to Xile. I think, given Sandy's paranoia, that he believes his Number Two to be either dead or gone turncoat.
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>>30384967
>I do too, but if we pocket him, we'll drive him insane.

Maybe. I wonder if there is a shadow spell that lets us pull other people into our shadow like we can slip in and out of others. Without making him a Chosen that is.
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>>30384977
I'm as ready as I'll ever be SM. Not sure if thats the anticipation or if I'm gonna throw up, but I haven't looked forward to anything this much all year
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>>30384986
You know, we could fake looking like Lucifer just to fuck with Sandy
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>>30384978

Hey, it's pretty badas... when we're not dealing with waifu bullshit or it starts raining on the fucking moon,
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>>30384967
What if we periodically release him and use Sleep Gas to keep him in kind of an induced coma?
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>>30384977
Does Atlantis not have any Airships?

So i'm guessing that since we destroyed the 2 airships of the Ring City, that they are using 3 from the Empire and 1 from Ulund since it just seems to balance better in my head like that.
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>>30384977
Girls night outing with Auriel+Black Lady+Abigail+Ila+Charmeine+Uluad+Hecate when?
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>>30384997
>Angel Mockery ver. 2.0
Fuckkin with Sandy
>sorry its not entirely accurate, I just couldn't quite capture the face Lucifer made when he had his nose in your ass.
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>>30384997
Maybe shapeshift into all of the angels we've killed?
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Next thread, we should really greet Black Lady with something like "It's been a while. How have you been?" Don't let them know we are in an alliance, just let them know we are acquainted. everyone (angels and arland people) will have doubts then.
It should throw Sand of his game of big dramatic alliance revelation for a moment at least. also since it came after his reveal, when people think about it they will automatically think about our reveal.
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>>30384986
But he doesn't know we killed him.
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>>30385017
yes
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